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[mellow orchestral music]

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- [Patrick] "Hello, Pat.

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I hope this comes as a
pleasant surprise to you.

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Well I believed you
killed, as Jack has been.

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I hope you are in good health.

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Pleased when this lot
is all over and finished

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so we can all get home again,

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what say.

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Well if you could tell me
what happened out there,

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I sure would be grateful to you,

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as mum still hopes that it
will turn out for the best.

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So please write when you can,

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and spare a few moments,
if it's just a few lines.

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So until next time
I'll say cheerio,

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and keep smiling.

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Your pal,

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Les."

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[mellow orchestral music]

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- [John] I'm gonna
press record on this,

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and we can start from when you
heard that the war broke out.

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- [Patrick] In 1939 on
the 3rd of September,

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war was declared.

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In the Royal Navy I
was a telegraphist,

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and my number was PJX 454 846.

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Never forgotten
it, you never do.

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[light orchestral music]

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[door knocking]

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- Patrick!
- Hey, John.

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- How are you?
- Yeah, all right.

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- Good to see you again!
- Good to see you again.

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- My name is John
Henry Phillips,

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and I'm a 25 year
old archeologist,
writer and historian.

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I love 20th century
conflict history,

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Second World War,
First World War.

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In 2015, I was in Normandy,

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and I met a really
gentle and sweet man

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called Patrick Thomas.

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Enjoying the sun?
- I have been.

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- Your fish doing all
right, they're healthy?

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- Ah, it's in a mess.

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- It looks great, Patrick.

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I volunteered on a

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charity project that takes
veterans back to Normandy.

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I have a bad habit of
signing up to things

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without really thinking
about what that means,

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so I said, "Yeah,
I'll come with you."

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Hadn't met anyone,

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so I turned up in
Portsmouth with a suitcase,

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and they said, "Okay,
you're in the Range Rover."

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So I opened the door and
there's an old man there,

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sat there with his carer.

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And I was like,

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"Oh, you all right?

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How are you?

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I'm John" and whatever.

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And he didn't respond.

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And his carer said,
"Oh, he's really deaf.

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You have to speak up."

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So I was like, "You all
right, Patrick!" [laughs]

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And so, I went up to the
people that organized it,

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and I said, "Oh,
what's this all about?

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I'm not on the thing, where
the hell am I sleeping?"

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And they were like, "Oh, well
Patrick's got a spare room."

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So I like, sheepishly
knocked on his door.

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I was like, "Oh yeah,
sorry. Can I sleep in here?"

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He did take me in,

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and we got on really well.

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- Now, look here.

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What about having a
drink of some sort,

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or what have you?

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Because-
- What shall we get?

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What shall we have?

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- Whatever you like.

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- What do you fancy, do
you want a cup of tea?

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Shall I make you a cup of tea?

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- I don't mind,

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I'm still drinking-
- Or are you on the wine?

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You've started early.
- I'm still drinking

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that wine.

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Now you're driving,

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so I wouldn't offer
you an alcoholic drink.

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You can have one
if you want one.

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[John laughs]

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- Everyone's like, "Oh, he's
talking about the war again."

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But obviously I'd never
lived with a D Day veteran,

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so I was like, "This is amazing!

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Tell me about Sword again.

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Tell me about you know,
being on the landing craft."

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People said to me, "Why did
you join the Royal Navy?"

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I said, "Well otherwise,
I'd have gone into the PBI.

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Poor bloody infantry.

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And they were always
up at the sharp end!"

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- My grandfather was in the RAF
during the Second World War,

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and then when got to
the end of his life,

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we'd had a few conversations

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about what did you
do during the war?

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And then suddenly he went like,

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really bad, really downhill.

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After my grandpa died,

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I started

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wanted to hear these stories,

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because I just wanted to
like, learn from these guys,

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and kind of make up for what
I didn't get out my grandpa.

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- Good afternoon, Mr. Thomas.

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What can we do for you today?

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- What can you do for me?

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- Bunch of flowers?

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- Bunch of-
- I think you wanted to

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chat to the women,

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didn't he?
- Well, I suppose so.

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What would you recommend
for my girlfriend?

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[all laughing]

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- Everywhere we go the women
flirt with you, don't they?

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- Well there you are, you see.

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[John laughs]

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- And I think when we went back
to Normandy the second time,

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and people were saying, "Oh,
I read your stuff online.

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You should print
it into a book."

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And he came up to me and said,

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"You know, we should
do my memoirs."

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- [Patrick] I was sent
back into Invergordon,

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where I joined LCH185.

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It was a landing
craft headquarters.

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- [John] So this photograph?

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- [Patrick] I was a
sprog in those days.

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- [John] A sprog.

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- [Patrick] Be 18.

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- I remember when I was 18,
I thought I was really old.

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And I'm 25 now,
that's not even old.

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Like, 25's young,
but 18 is so young.

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We take for granted
how strange that was,

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being told "Okay, you're
going to fly a plane now,

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so go and drop some
bombs over Berlin."

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You said that to
an 18 year old now,

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you said it to me
now, I'd be like,

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"No way, [laughs]
I'm not doing that."

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But they didn't have
a choice, you know.

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- [Patrick] For
about three months,

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we practiced landing troops.

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It was repetitive.

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We knew that we were practicing

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for the invasion of Normandy.

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- [John] So, it's
the night of D Day.

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It's pitch black and you're
heading towards Normandy.

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How do you feel?

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- [Patrick] I know I had
certain qualms in my stomach,

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but they quickly dismissed
that, because you're busy.

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But when we arrived
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I knew we were there with them,

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because we didn't get a
very friendly welcome.

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[guns firing]

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There was a rattle of machine
gun bullets on the hull.

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All the capital ships opened up,

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and the shore line disappeared.

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I saw the infantry,
those champs.

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Ah, you certainly
handed it to them.

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Just running up the beach,

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or sometimes they'd
be shot and go down.

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The German's used to
fly over the top of us.

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On one occasion this
bomber came over,

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and I saw the object come down.

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What I didn't
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it must have been
an acoustic mine.

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On the

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24th of June

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I was on the upper deck,

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I chose not to go down below.

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And it was a lovely sunny day,

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I took my shirt off and
lay on this camp bed.

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We were following our
sister craft, LCH269.

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There was a blinding flash
and a column of water.

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The next thing I knew,
we were underwater.

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[siren wailing]

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I was picked up after about
10 or 15 minutes I think,

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an LCG came by.

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It was the only time ever I
couldn't stop myself trembling.

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I absolutely trembled, it
must have been shock I think.

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I think there was a total of
nearly 40 who were, who died.

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[mellow orchestral music]

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Do you know what?

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I was so full of
emotion and so confused,

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I always felt there was
an outside influence

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somewhere there.

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I don't know what it
was, I don't know.

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I'm not a religious man, but
there was something there.

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It wasn't my time
to go, I suppose.

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- LCH185 is seemingly a mystery,

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because it went down to the
bottom of the English Channel,

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and just seems to
be forgotten about.

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No one knows where it is.

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No one knows where it went down.

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It's very hard to find anything
about it in the records.

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It's very hard to find any
personal accounts of it,

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because most of
the crew went down.

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- [Patrick] But when I
was eventually demobbed,

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it took me a long
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because I'd done so much

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in that short period of
time in the Royal Navy.

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I'd done so much.

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- This is the easiest
anyone has ever had it.

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It really is amazing,

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and that's because of
people like Patrick

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and Patrick's generation,

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who fought to make this for us.

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- [Patrick] The thing
to remember is this.

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That when I was demobbed,

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there were thousands of
others who'd been demobbed,

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and they'd all got
a tale to tell.

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- There's no memorial to LCH185.

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There's only four
graves from the crew.

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There's a general
memorial in Arromanches

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for the Landing
Craft Association,

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which has now disbanded
through lack of veterans.

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They don't, it doesn't
exist any more.

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So there's no specific place
to say this is what 185 is,

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this is what 185 did,

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this is who lost
their lives on it.

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And I think that's a shame,

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because it's just
been lost to history.

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[mellow orchestral music]

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It's like we're on a
road trip together!

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- Yes.

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[John laughs]

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- Patrick is so full
of like, so happy.

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I don't know if that's the fact

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that he's been
through these traumas,

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and he knows just how
different it could have been.

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He knows that if he had have
gone below deck that night

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instead of sleeping up top,

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then he could have
been one of the men

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that went to the
bottom of the ocean.

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And that's such a heavy
burden to hold for 73 years,

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and to have not talked
about it for 70 of those.

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- [Patrick] That's the
pub we used to drink in!

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- [John] Really?

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- [Patrick] I'm sure of it.

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- [John] Oh, wow.

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So this is the
dock yard, Patrick.

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- [Patrick] Yes, part of it.

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- [John] Yeah, starting
to remember any of it?

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- I think we're going
in the right direction.

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- It was so clear when I took
Patrick up to the dockyard,

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and wheeled him
past HMS Victory,

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just how many memories
that brought back.

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- I can't be precise
where we were.

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- Yeah.

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- 'Cause there was
ships everywhere,

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as far as the eye could see.

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- [John] And which
way's Normandy?

252
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- Ooh. [laughs]

253
00:10:29,076 --> 00:10:31,389
[John and Patrick laughing]

254
00:10:31,389 --> 00:10:33,702
I've lost my Boy Scout
thing on that one.

255
00:10:34,944 --> 00:10:39,155
I never thought after 73
years I'd be here again,

256
00:10:39,155 --> 00:10:41,433
looking down at this

257
00:10:41,433 --> 00:10:42,711
dry dock.

258
00:10:42,711 --> 00:10:46,162
And when you look at it,
I forget how big it was.

259
00:10:46,162 --> 00:10:48,958
- So you knew when you
were here for the 24 hours,

260
00:10:48,958 --> 00:10:51,409
that the invasion
was very, very close?

261
00:10:51,409 --> 00:10:53,342
- It wasn't far
off, we knew that.

262
00:10:53,342 --> 00:10:54,619
- [John] Yeah.

263
00:10:54,619 --> 00:10:57,070
- We must have set sail
in the very early hours

264
00:10:57,070 --> 00:10:59,797
of the 6th, or even the 5th.

265
00:10:59,797 --> 00:11:03,214
And then, then we
set off for Normandy.

266
00:11:04,456 --> 00:11:06,044
- [John] What was the
sea like that night?

267
00:11:06,044 --> 00:11:07,321
- It was a bit bumpy.

268
00:11:08,909 --> 00:11:10,946
Got my sea legs by
then John, you see.

269
00:11:10,946 --> 00:11:12,223
[John laughs]

270
00:11:12,223 --> 00:11:14,432
- [John] So, 185 is
out there somewhere.

271
00:11:14,432 --> 00:11:15,502
- Out there somewhere.

272
00:11:17,055 --> 00:11:18,678
We change as we get older,

273
00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,475
and I maybe gave it a
thought all those years,

274
00:11:23,475 --> 00:11:27,548
but I never spoke
about it to anybody.

275
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Didn't tell anybody, you know.

276
00:11:29,827 --> 00:11:34,521
It's very difficult to
recall, to recall feelings

277
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about yours ships mates

278
00:11:37,524 --> 00:11:38,421
of all those years,

279
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70-odd years ago.

280
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When I think back,

281
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and I knew what had
happened to those young men.

282
00:11:46,326 --> 00:11:49,225
[mellow orchestral music]

283
00:11:49,225 --> 00:11:51,089
- If I could find the
ship, would that...

284
00:11:51,089 --> 00:11:52,263
Would that matter to you?

285
00:11:52,263 --> 00:11:55,542
Would that make a
difference to you know,

286
00:11:55,542 --> 00:11:57,613
your friends that you lost
and that sort of stuff?

287
00:11:57,613 --> 00:12:00,029
If we could pinpoint
where the ship is,

288
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would you then know that they,
you knew where they were,

289
00:12:02,894 --> 00:12:05,069
and there was a sense of
kind of closure to it?

290
00:12:05,069 --> 00:12:07,105
- I would love to know.

291
00:12:07,105 --> 00:12:10,660
I'd love to be able to
find out where it is.

292
00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:12,628
But I get the feeling

293
00:12:14,181 --> 00:12:16,252
there wouldn't be
a lot of it left,

294
00:12:17,529 --> 00:12:19,393
I get that feeling.

295
00:12:19,393 --> 00:12:21,085
Could be wrong, I don't know.

296
00:12:21,085 --> 00:12:22,534
- [John] Well that's
what we're gonna have to

297
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try and find out
together, isn't it?

298
00:12:24,709 --> 00:12:25,537
- If you...

299
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If ever you could find

300
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LCH185,

301
00:12:29,265 --> 00:12:31,371
I would be delighted.

302
00:12:31,371 --> 00:12:36,031
I would absolutely love that,
and I think it would be great.

303
00:12:37,515 --> 00:12:39,379
- It sounds strange because
I've not known him that long,

304
00:12:39,379 --> 00:12:42,658
but I feel like maybe
I owe it to him.

305
00:12:42,658 --> 00:12:46,455
If I can find that place
where Patrick's friends went,

306
00:12:47,663 --> 00:12:51,425
then that is closure to
a 73 year old mystery

307
00:12:51,425 --> 00:12:53,289
that deserves to be solved.

308
00:12:53,289 --> 00:12:55,498
That's the end goal, that's
what I'm striving for,

309
00:12:55,498 --> 00:12:59,399
to see you know, that
happiness of a man.

310
00:12:59,399 --> 00:13:02,574
And then after that you know,
what else can you ask for?

311
00:13:02,574 --> 00:13:03,748
I made the promise

312
00:13:04,922 --> 00:13:07,476
and I'm gonna try
my absolute hardest.

313
00:13:07,476 --> 00:13:09,098
And you know, even
if it kills me,

314
00:13:09,098 --> 00:13:10,720
I'm gonna find that ship.

315
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,003
[light guitar music]

316
00:13:35,469 --> 00:13:38,093
So this is a photo
that Patrick sent me,

317
00:13:38,093 --> 00:13:41,441
and it's actually
of LCH185 on D day,

318
00:13:41,441 --> 00:13:43,823
speeding towards Sword Beach.

319
00:13:43,823 --> 00:13:46,964
This was the kinda
first lead that I had,

320
00:13:46,964 --> 00:13:50,174
when I asked Patrick where he
thought the ship went down.

321
00:13:50,174 --> 00:13:52,072
And he said, "I can't
be sure where we sunk,

322
00:13:52,072 --> 00:13:56,214
but we were following
our sister ship LCH269.

323
00:13:56,214 --> 00:13:57,491
More by instinct,

324
00:13:57,491 --> 00:13:59,183
I'm sure we weren't
far from gooseberry,

325
00:13:59,183 --> 00:14:00,840
west of Lion-sur-Mer,

326
00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,428
and a witness I
met confirmed this.

327
00:14:03,428 --> 00:14:05,189
And the "gooseberries"
were five break waters

328
00:14:05,189 --> 00:14:08,157
that they put in along
the beaches of Normandy.

329
00:14:08,157 --> 00:14:10,470
So, Lion-sur-Mer is
there on the map.

330
00:14:11,954 --> 00:14:15,095
I mean, it shouldn't be too
far away from about there.

331
00:14:15,993 --> 00:14:16,925
Has got me wondering now though,

332
00:14:16,925 --> 00:14:17,995
now that I'm looking at this.

333
00:14:17,995 --> 00:14:20,514
'Cause Lion-sur-Mer is there,

334
00:14:20,514 --> 00:14:23,863
and you can see it's not
actually on the gooseberry maps.

335
00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:25,347
There's Lion,

336
00:14:25,347 --> 00:14:28,212
and then Lion-sur-Mer
would be just cut off here,

337
00:14:28,212 --> 00:14:29,661
so I'm wondering if
it could actually be

338
00:14:29,661 --> 00:14:31,422
a little bit further
down the beach.

339
00:14:33,734 --> 00:14:37,152
[light orchestral music]

340
00:14:40,155 --> 00:14:42,398
I'm gonna meet an old
friend Mike Perrin,

341
00:14:42,398 --> 00:14:45,988
who is a maritime archeologist
and a diving instructor.

342
00:14:45,988 --> 00:14:48,197
So he's got a lot of
experience diving wrecks,

343
00:14:48,197 --> 00:14:49,440
and teaching people how to dive,

344
00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,235
and hopefully he'll
be able to fill me in

345
00:14:51,235 --> 00:14:52,753
on some of the challenges

346
00:14:52,753 --> 00:14:57,310
that I will face if I find the
ship and try and dive on it.

347
00:15:00,485 --> 00:15:02,280
- And are those-
- Room for one more?

348
00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,488
You all right guys?

349
00:15:03,488 --> 00:15:04,662
- Hi, how are you?
- You all right, Mike?

350
00:15:04,662 --> 00:15:05,421
- How's it going?
- Good to see you again.

351
00:15:05,421 --> 00:15:06,388
- Long time no see.

352
00:15:06,388 --> 00:15:07,182
- John.
- Hi, hello.

353
00:15:07,182 --> 00:15:08,666
- Nice to meet you.

354
00:15:08,666 --> 00:15:10,288
- Yeah, what's happening?
- Might be a little bit crazy,

355
00:15:10,288 --> 00:15:13,913
but I wanna find my friend's
sunken landing craft.

356
00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:15,431
And hoping to find it

357
00:15:15,431 --> 00:15:18,469
and build a memorial for
Patrick and his crew mates

358
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whilst he's still with us,

359
00:15:19,746 --> 00:15:21,644
so it's a bit of a
race against time.

360
00:15:21,644 --> 00:15:23,923
- Do you know where the boat is?

361
00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:25,407
- Not exactly.

362
00:15:25,407 --> 00:15:28,582
I mean, I've got some
ideas where it might be.

363
00:15:28,582 --> 00:15:31,723
I've spoken to
Patrick extensively

364
00:15:31,723 --> 00:15:33,484
about where he
thinks it could be.

365
00:15:33,484 --> 00:15:34,761
- Well we've got a
charter of the area here,

366
00:15:34,761 --> 00:15:35,900
let's have a look.

367
00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:36,832
- Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

368
00:15:36,832 --> 00:15:38,144
I'll see what I can point out.

369
00:15:41,112 --> 00:15:42,942
Okay, well that's Lion-sur-Mer

370
00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:44,150
where we went in.
- Okay.

371
00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:46,255
- He couldn't have sunk
any further really,

372
00:15:46,255 --> 00:15:50,535
than the gooseberry that he
was was at Lion-sur-Mer again,

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and close to it.

374
00:15:52,054 --> 00:15:53,745
- The gooseberries
were sunk outside

375
00:15:53,745 --> 00:15:55,368
the two Mulberry Harbors.

376
00:15:55,368 --> 00:15:56,610
One was the Arromanches,

377
00:15:56,610 --> 00:15:58,509
and one was further
west off Omaha Beach.

378
00:15:58,509 --> 00:16:00,476
- Oh right, so there
wasn't one at Lion?

379
00:16:00,476 --> 00:16:01,822
- No, there wasn't, no.

380
00:16:01,822 --> 00:16:04,170
What was the name
of the town again?

381
00:16:04,170 --> 00:16:05,343
- [John] Lion-sur-Mer.

382
00:16:05,343 --> 00:16:07,173
- Very, very similar
sounding name,

383
00:16:07,173 --> 00:16:09,761
right beside the
Arromanches Mulberry Harbor.

384
00:16:09,761 --> 00:16:11,729
Longues-sur-Mer, Lion-sur-Mer.

385
00:16:11,729 --> 00:16:13,593
- Perhaps Patrick's
got a bit confused,

386
00:16:13,593 --> 00:16:17,597
because he 100% went in at
Lion-sur-Mer at Sword Beach.

387
00:16:17,597 --> 00:16:20,220
Maybe he went back in
at Longues-sur-Mer,

388
00:16:20,220 --> 00:16:22,326
and just assumed they
were the same thing.

389
00:16:22,326 --> 00:16:23,568
So Mike, if you were
looking at this,

390
00:16:23,568 --> 00:16:25,743
and you had to find
a small landing craft

391
00:16:25,743 --> 00:16:27,331
in the middle of
the English Channel.

392
00:16:27,331 --> 00:16:29,057
- Um...

393
00:16:29,057 --> 00:16:30,610
Do you dive?

394
00:16:30,610 --> 00:16:31,921
- No.
- Ah, okay.

395
00:16:31,921 --> 00:16:32,750
Right.

396
00:16:32,750 --> 00:16:33,854
Step one.

397
00:16:33,854 --> 00:16:35,028
[both laughing]

398
00:16:35,028 --> 00:16:36,443
Well, my supervisor
back at Oxford

399
00:16:36,443 --> 00:16:39,170
said it's easier for an
archeologist to become a diver,

400
00:16:39,170 --> 00:16:40,482
than for a diver to become

401
00:16:40,482 --> 00:16:41,448
an archeologist.
- Well, that gives me hope.

402
00:16:41,448 --> 00:16:42,553
'Cause I am an archeologist.

403
00:16:42,553 --> 00:16:44,348
- There was
incredible hope there.

404
00:16:44,348 --> 00:16:45,590
- It has brought it home

405
00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:48,007
that it's a lot more
technically difficult,

406
00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:50,871
and I didn't really
plan on that.

407
00:16:50,871 --> 00:16:52,597
It was just, I'm
gonna find this thing.

408
00:16:52,597 --> 00:16:54,703
I'll come home like, "Patrick
look, I found the boat.

409
00:16:54,703 --> 00:16:55,980
Let's have some champagne."

410
00:16:55,980 --> 00:16:58,431
You know, I'm gonna have
to put a team together.

411
00:16:58,431 --> 00:17:01,330
[light guitar music]

412
00:17:01,330 --> 00:17:03,470
The next step on my journey
is to meet Stephen Fisher,

413
00:17:03,470 --> 00:17:05,369
who is a really
amazing historian

414
00:17:05,369 --> 00:17:07,957
who really cares about the
history of landing craft.

415
00:17:08,958 --> 00:17:10,167
Stephen.
- John.

416
00:17:10,167 --> 00:17:10,995
- How are you?

417
00:17:10,995 --> 00:17:11,927
Nice to meet you.

418
00:17:11,927 --> 00:17:13,411
- My name's Stephen Fisher,

419
00:17:13,411 --> 00:17:16,897
and I'm a freelance historical
researcher and archeologist.

420
00:17:16,897 --> 00:17:19,141
- When I called Stephen asking
for help on this journey,

421
00:17:19,141 --> 00:17:20,418
I didn't have that
much to offer him,

422
00:17:20,418 --> 00:17:22,110
so it's gonna be really
interesting to see

423
00:17:22,110 --> 00:17:23,559
what he's managed to drag up.

424
00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:24,974
- Now it's kind of difficult

425
00:17:24,974 --> 00:17:27,391
to find out about
individual ships on D Day,

426
00:17:27,391 --> 00:17:28,978
because they gave
them new numbers

427
00:17:28,978 --> 00:17:31,395
which are called landing
index table numbers.

428
00:17:31,395 --> 00:17:33,673
- So, 185 for D Day wasn't 185?

429
00:17:33,673 --> 00:17:35,123
- No.
- Oh, right.

430
00:17:35,123 --> 00:17:37,297
- It still had its identity
painted onto the hull,

431
00:17:37,297 --> 00:17:39,886
but it also had a second number

432
00:17:39,886 --> 00:17:41,957
which wasn't even called a
landing index table number,

433
00:17:41,957 --> 00:17:44,201
on Sword Beach they
called them fleet numbers,

434
00:17:45,305 --> 00:17:47,273
and that's the
number that you need.

435
00:17:47,273 --> 00:17:50,103
- It was absolutely mind blowing

436
00:17:50,103 --> 00:17:52,140
when Stephen told me that LCH185

437
00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:54,521
had a different
name just for D Day.

438
00:17:55,764 --> 00:17:56,937
That explains why
it's been so hard

439
00:17:56,937 --> 00:17:58,974
to find information
about the ship.

440
00:17:58,974 --> 00:18:01,735
That explains why no one
seems to have heard about it,

441
00:18:01,735 --> 00:18:04,393
and that explains why this
has been such a struggle.

442
00:18:04,393 --> 00:18:06,913
- By comparing information
in different documents,

443
00:18:06,913 --> 00:18:10,123
we can start to work
out that puzzle,

444
00:18:10,123 --> 00:18:12,850
and come up with the
other identity for 185.

445
00:18:12,850 --> 00:18:16,405
So we now know the fleet
number of the vessel

446
00:18:16,405 --> 00:18:18,407
that 185 was assigned.

447
00:18:18,407 --> 00:18:20,789
So these are all of the
other different vessels

448
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:22,446
in the support squadron,

449
00:18:22,446 --> 00:18:24,620
basically carrying the DD tanks

450
00:18:24,620 --> 00:18:26,967
that were being
launched just off shore.

451
00:18:26,967 --> 00:18:30,799
Now this might almost sound
like it's slightly implausible,

452
00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:32,973
that no vessel
would get that close

453
00:18:32,973 --> 00:18:34,458
just before the
invasion started,

454
00:18:34,458 --> 00:18:37,530
but in fact that was the role
of the headquarters vessel.

455
00:18:37,530 --> 00:18:40,153
They needed to go and ascertain
the conditions on the beach,

456
00:18:40,153 --> 00:18:43,122
and how safe it was to
launch the DD tanks.

457
00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:44,606
- Suddenly all
these other archives

458
00:18:44,606 --> 00:18:47,091
have the name on
D Day of LCH185,

459
00:18:48,196 --> 00:18:49,162
and this wealth of information

460
00:18:49,162 --> 00:18:50,474
has come through that discovery.

461
00:18:50,474 --> 00:18:52,683
- I emphasize that
these are orders,

462
00:18:52,683 --> 00:18:54,823
so this is what was
supposed to happen.

463
00:18:54,823 --> 00:18:56,031
There's never any guarantee

464
00:18:56,031 --> 00:18:57,377
that it's actually
what happened.

465
00:18:57,377 --> 00:19:00,000
- The fact that LCH185
was in the first wave,

466
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,520
the very first wave
on Sword Beach,

467
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,419
I mean that is carving your name

468
00:19:04,419 --> 00:19:07,318
in the history of the world.

469
00:19:07,318 --> 00:19:09,424
- [Patrick] As we were
approaching the beach,

470
00:19:09,424 --> 00:19:12,737
I saw to me, they looked
like beautiful houses.

471
00:19:12,737 --> 00:19:14,360
And they looked marvelous.

472
00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:18,191
- We also have an account
of what LCH185 was doing,

473
00:19:18,191 --> 00:19:19,710
by this gentleman.

474
00:19:19,710 --> 00:19:24,577
And it's Dennis Musket, who
was actually posted to LCH185.

475
00:19:25,819 --> 00:19:26,820
- No way, I didn't
know this existed.

476
00:19:26,820 --> 00:19:28,684
- "On Tuesday the 6th of June,

477
00:19:28,684 --> 00:19:31,515
LCH185 proceeded close in shore.

478
00:19:31,515 --> 00:19:33,965
I could clearly see the color
of the houses on the front,

479
00:19:33,965 --> 00:19:35,174
all in tact."

480
00:19:35,174 --> 00:19:36,451
- That's what Patrick
told me, as well.

481
00:19:36,451 --> 00:19:37,383
He says he remembers the
beauty of these houses.

482
00:19:37,383 --> 00:19:39,592
- "In view of the sea conditions

483
00:19:39,592 --> 00:19:41,490
and the need to
conserve the tanks fuel,

484
00:19:41,490 --> 00:19:44,666
the decision was made
to hold on 5,000 yards

485
00:19:44,666 --> 00:19:46,668
before launching the DD tanks."

486
00:19:46,668 --> 00:19:48,290
- In the places
like Omaha Beach,

487
00:19:48,290 --> 00:19:51,293
where they put the Duplex
Drive tanks in too far away,

488
00:19:51,293 --> 00:19:54,296
they were overwhelmed by the
rough seas and the distance,

489
00:19:54,296 --> 00:19:56,367
and they sank to the bottom
of the English Channel.

490
00:19:56,367 --> 00:19:59,370
At Sword Beach, because of
the decision that 185 made,

491
00:19:59,370 --> 00:20:01,545
the tanks were able
to go onto the beach

492
00:20:01,545 --> 00:20:03,409
and really hit the Germans hard.

493
00:20:03,409 --> 00:20:05,549
It's absolutely amazing,
you've blown my mind.

494
00:20:05,549 --> 00:20:07,792
Thank you so much for-
- No problem at all.

495
00:20:07,792 --> 00:20:09,069
- It's incredible.

496
00:20:09,069 --> 00:20:12,314
I knew that LCH185
was there on D Day,

497
00:20:12,314 --> 00:20:14,661
and I knew that you
know, it had its role,

498
00:20:14,661 --> 00:20:16,145
but Stephen said it was actually

499
00:20:16,145 --> 00:20:20,253
one of the most important crafts
at Sword Beach on that day,

500
00:20:20,253 --> 00:20:22,738
and I don't think
Patrick realizes that.

501
00:20:22,738 --> 00:20:26,190
[light orchestral music]

502
00:20:28,986 --> 00:20:31,195
- I've been living here
in Normandy for 12 years,

503
00:20:31,195 --> 00:20:34,094
working as a battlefield
guide for that time.

504
00:20:34,094 --> 00:20:36,165
And I must admit,
when I first arrived,

505
00:20:36,165 --> 00:20:39,686
it was kind of just accepted
that the veterans were here.

506
00:20:39,686 --> 00:20:42,102
You could communicate
and learn their stories.

507
00:20:42,102 --> 00:20:44,657
Certainly in the last decade,
we're losing so many of them.

508
00:20:44,657 --> 00:20:47,176
Very soon this history will
be beyond living memory,

509
00:20:47,176 --> 00:20:50,041
and the veterans will
no longer be around

510
00:20:50,041 --> 00:20:52,768
to tell us their own
stories in their own words.

511
00:20:52,768 --> 00:20:55,219
- [John] So I'm in Normandy
on this kind of crazy journey

512
00:20:55,219 --> 00:20:57,290
to try and find LCH185,

513
00:20:57,290 --> 00:21:00,776
which was the craft of
my friend Patrick Thomas.

514
00:21:00,776 --> 00:21:01,846
- [Stuart] Yeah, I know Patrick.

515
00:21:01,846 --> 00:21:03,089
- [John] Yeah, yeah?

516
00:21:03,089 --> 00:21:04,332
- From the very first
moment I met him,

517
00:21:04,332 --> 00:21:05,505
I could tell he was
a real character,

518
00:21:05,505 --> 00:21:06,782
such an incredible man.

519
00:21:06,782 --> 00:21:08,646
And he told me about
his role on D Day,

520
00:21:08,646 --> 00:21:10,579
and I had to go straight home,

521
00:21:10,579 --> 00:21:13,617
get on Google you know, to
search and to find out more,

522
00:21:13,617 --> 00:21:15,170
because it's something that
I wasn't familiar with.

523
00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:16,309
- Yeah, no.

524
00:21:16,309 --> 00:21:17,552
I wasn't at all.

525
00:21:17,552 --> 00:21:19,070
So I made Patrick this
crazy promise that

526
00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:22,004
you know, I would find his boat,

527
00:21:22,004 --> 00:21:23,558
and he said,
"Absolutely, go for it."

528
00:21:23,558 --> 00:21:25,111
So I mean, what do
you think about that?

529
00:21:25,111 --> 00:21:26,664
Do you think that's doable?

530
00:21:26,664 --> 00:21:29,115
- You've got your work cut
out I think, very much so.

531
00:21:29,115 --> 00:21:31,531
- Patrick's ship went
down on the 25th of June,

532
00:21:31,531 --> 00:21:35,017
and he remembers after
he got rescued by an LCG,

533
00:21:35,017 --> 00:21:37,088
almost immediately after,
or a few hours after,

534
00:21:37,088 --> 00:21:39,332
being shelled
heavily by Le Havre.

535
00:21:39,332 --> 00:21:40,885
So was that still active,

536
00:21:40,885 --> 00:21:42,128
was that still
occupied at the time?

537
00:21:42,128 --> 00:21:43,060
- Very much so.

538
00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:44,303
If you imagine of course,

539
00:21:44,303 --> 00:21:45,959
Sword Beach is very
much the eastern most

540
00:21:45,959 --> 00:21:47,444
out of the five landing beaches,

541
00:21:47,444 --> 00:21:49,308
where the allies
came ashore on D Day.

542
00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:51,344
We had the huge
artillery batteries

543
00:21:51,344 --> 00:21:52,552
around the port of Le Havre,

544
00:21:52,552 --> 00:21:53,829
were actually within range

545
00:21:53,829 --> 00:21:56,522
and were shelling
the Allied Armada,

546
00:21:56,522 --> 00:21:58,731
which was occupying a
position of Sword Beach.

547
00:21:58,731 --> 00:22:00,215
- To be shelled by Le Havre,

548
00:22:00,215 --> 00:22:03,183
it must have to have gone
down in the Sword Beach area.

549
00:22:03,183 --> 00:22:04,392
- That would have
to be the case,

550
00:22:04,392 --> 00:22:07,084
if it was a victim of
that artillery fire

551
00:22:07,084 --> 00:22:08,396
from the Le Havre battery,

552
00:22:08,396 --> 00:22:09,086
that would have to
be the case, yeah.

553
00:22:09,086 --> 00:22:10,398
- Brilliant.

554
00:22:10,398 --> 00:22:12,469
- I think to find 185,
to find the location,

555
00:22:13,401 --> 00:22:15,057
it's gonna be difficult.

556
00:22:15,057 --> 00:22:17,094
If it was easy, it would
have been done before.

557
00:22:18,475 --> 00:22:20,028
- [Patrick] I didn't
hear the explosion,

558
00:22:20,028 --> 00:22:22,858
but the explosion must
have lifted the stern up

559
00:22:22,858 --> 00:22:25,136
and drove the bows under.

560
00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:28,726
The next thing I knew
we were under water,

561
00:22:28,726 --> 00:22:31,384
and that's when I saw Jack
Barringer's life boat.

562
00:22:31,384 --> 00:22:34,318
It was like a customized
boat, I knew it was Jack's.

563
00:22:34,318 --> 00:22:38,080
And I saw Jack a few yards
away throwing up his arms,

564
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,150
he was badly injured.

565
00:22:40,289 --> 00:22:42,084
And this fellow, I remember him.

566
00:22:42,084 --> 00:22:45,536
He saw me with Jack's life belt
floating about in the water.

567
00:22:45,536 --> 00:22:48,815
I couldn't get it to Jack,
and so I let him have it.

568
00:22:48,815 --> 00:22:52,405
And poor Jack had disappeared
beneath the waves by then,

569
00:22:52,405 --> 00:22:55,512
and he must have been
very badly injured.

570
00:22:55,512 --> 00:22:57,203
Poor old Jack,
nothing I could do.

571
00:23:01,103 --> 00:23:04,659
[mellow orchestral music]

572
00:23:06,177 --> 00:23:09,388
- It's kind of the one name
that he associates with 185,

573
00:23:10,561 --> 00:23:12,632
and in a way I suppose
now because of that,

574
00:23:12,632 --> 00:23:14,634
it's the one name that
I associate with 185,

575
00:23:14,634 --> 00:23:15,911
other than Patrick.

576
00:23:15,911 --> 00:23:17,188
That day that the
ship went down,

577
00:23:17,188 --> 00:23:18,604
he could easily have
been bellow deck.

578
00:23:18,604 --> 00:23:19,881
And if it had have
been that way,

579
00:23:19,881 --> 00:23:21,365
then Patrick would
have died at 19,

580
00:23:21,365 --> 00:23:23,125
and he would have been here.

581
00:23:23,125 --> 00:23:24,575
But it's so far away from,

582
00:23:25,818 --> 00:23:28,234
from where LCH185
went down, you know.

583
00:23:28,234 --> 00:23:31,410
We're in land, we're not
that close to the beach,

584
00:23:32,859 --> 00:23:34,930
and I think Patrick would
love to be able to go there

585
00:23:34,930 --> 00:23:36,035
to remember 185.

586
00:23:37,899 --> 00:23:41,523
[mellow orchestral music]

587
00:23:41,523 --> 00:23:43,076
Bonjour, good to see you.

588
00:23:43,076 --> 00:23:44,595
I'm John.

589
00:23:44,595 --> 00:23:45,976
I'm so glad that you could
see me at such short notice,

590
00:23:45,976 --> 00:23:47,495
I'm really, really
grateful for that.

591
00:23:47,495 --> 00:23:49,738
I know you've gone out of your
way to do everything and...

592
00:23:49,738 --> 00:23:52,258
[translator speaks in French]

593
00:23:52,258 --> 00:23:54,536
Basically, I'm on
this sort of journey

594
00:23:54,536 --> 00:23:57,505
to get this promise
that I made to a friend.

595
00:23:57,505 --> 00:24:01,405
[translator speaks in French]

596
00:24:02,958 --> 00:24:06,168
So I was here recently for
the D Day commemorations,

597
00:24:06,168 --> 00:24:09,309
and I take back
veterans each year,

598
00:24:09,309 --> 00:24:12,416
and one in particular is a
man called Patrick Thomas.

599
00:24:12,416 --> 00:24:14,970
So, this is Patrick.

600
00:24:14,970 --> 00:24:17,732
[translator speaks in French]

601
00:24:17,732 --> 00:24:19,768
He was on board a landing craft.

602
00:24:19,768 --> 00:24:23,047
This is Patrick's actual craft.

603
00:24:23,047 --> 00:24:25,291
[translator speaks in French]

604
00:24:25,291 --> 00:24:28,156
That is a photograph of him
heading in Sword Beach here,

605
00:24:28,156 --> 00:24:29,364
and it's called LCH185.

606
00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:32,367
And so, on the 25th of June,

607
00:24:32,367 --> 00:24:35,819
Patrick was asleep on
the deck of the boat,

608
00:24:35,819 --> 00:24:37,855
and it was hit by
one of the mines,

609
00:24:37,855 --> 00:24:41,445
and most of the crew died
and went down with the ship.

610
00:24:41,445 --> 00:24:43,516
So I made this
promise to Patrick,

611
00:24:43,516 --> 00:24:46,001
that I was gonna do two things.

612
00:24:46,001 --> 00:24:49,971
If I could, I was gonna
try and find his shipwreck,

613
00:24:49,971 --> 00:24:51,593
because he doesn't
know where it is.

614
00:24:51,593 --> 00:24:56,495
And then two, build him a
memorial in Lion-sur-Mer,

615
00:24:56,495 --> 00:24:59,981
because his story
so definitively

616
00:24:59,981 --> 00:25:01,327
features Lion-sur-Mer.

617
00:25:01,327 --> 00:25:04,882
In his mind, his
spiritual home is here.

618
00:25:04,882 --> 00:25:09,646
So I was just hoping I could
get an idea from the Mayor,

619
00:25:09,646 --> 00:25:13,304
what he'd think about putting
a memorial in this town.

620
00:25:13,304 --> 00:25:15,859
- It's a very good idea.
- Yeah?

621
00:25:15,859 --> 00:25:17,136
- Yeah, yeah.

622
00:25:17,136 --> 00:25:19,345
- That's amazing,
that means a lot.

623
00:25:19,345 --> 00:25:22,935
[Mayor speaks in French]

624
00:25:22,935 --> 00:25:23,763
- For the memory of Patrick,
it's an amazing idea.

625
00:25:26,939 --> 00:25:28,872
[Mayor speaks in French]

626
00:25:28,872 --> 00:25:33,290
- And for Lion-sur-Mer
it's really an honor.

627
00:25:33,290 --> 00:25:34,567
- Yes.

628
00:25:34,567 --> 00:25:36,189
- That's so nice, I'm
so pleased with that.

629
00:25:36,189 --> 00:25:38,709
It's such an honor,
thank you so much.

630
00:25:38,709 --> 00:25:42,161
[Mayor speaks in French]

631
00:25:42,161 --> 00:25:45,440
- Can Patrick come
in Lion-sur-Mer and
maybe meet the Mayor?

632
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,098
- Oh, that would
mean so much to him.

633
00:25:48,098 --> 00:25:48,995
He'd be honored.

634
00:25:48,995 --> 00:25:50,100
- Okay.
- Yeah?

635
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:51,584
- Yes, yes, of course.
- Okay.

636
00:25:51,584 --> 00:25:54,691
Thank you so, so much Dominique,
I really appreciate that.

637
00:25:56,209 --> 00:25:58,039
Patrick, I went for a meeting

638
00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:00,386
with the Mayor of Lion-sur-Mer.

639
00:26:00,386 --> 00:26:01,905
- [Patrick] Yes?

640
00:26:01,905 --> 00:26:04,666
- And he said he'd absolutely
love you to get a memorial.

641
00:26:04,666 --> 00:26:07,186
He said it would be
an honor for him.

642
00:26:07,186 --> 00:26:08,739
- Oh.

643
00:26:08,739 --> 00:26:10,499
- [John] Even better he said
normally it takes a few years,

644
00:26:10,499 --> 00:26:11,915
but he wants to try
and get it there

645
00:26:11,915 --> 00:26:14,124
for the D Day commemorations.

646
00:26:14,124 --> 00:26:15,643
- [Patrick] Crumbs,
I think it's great.

647
00:26:15,643 --> 00:26:17,714
- [John] Not only that, he
wants you to come and visit him,

648
00:26:17,714 --> 00:26:18,818
so he can meet you.

649
00:26:20,026 --> 00:26:21,303
- Wants me to visit him?

650
00:26:21,303 --> 00:26:23,029
- [John] Yeah, he
wants to meet you.

651
00:26:23,996 --> 00:26:24,824
- [Patrick] Does he?

652
00:26:24,824 --> 00:26:26,274
Well, that's marvelous.

653
00:26:26,274 --> 00:26:28,483
- The fact that the
Mayor cared about Patrick

654
00:26:28,483 --> 00:26:29,967
is a huge deal,

655
00:26:29,967 --> 00:26:33,315
because it's one thing
to build an object,

656
00:26:33,315 --> 00:26:35,248
you know, put the
bricks and mortar there,

657
00:26:35,248 --> 00:26:37,526
but to have the town
embrace Patrick,

658
00:26:37,526 --> 00:26:40,081
and the man who runs the
town embrace Patrick,

659
00:26:40,081 --> 00:26:41,738
I think meant more
to him than anything.

660
00:26:41,738 --> 00:26:44,395
That was what got the biggest
reaction when I called him.

661
00:26:44,395 --> 00:26:45,327
- [Patrick] Oh, that's good.

662
00:26:45,327 --> 00:26:47,122
- I wish you were here, Patrick.

663
00:26:47,122 --> 00:26:49,262
- [Patrick] Okay, I'll
hear from you again.

664
00:26:49,262 --> 00:26:50,781
- Yep.

665
00:26:50,781 --> 00:26:54,647
And Patrick is gonna have
his story told forever.

666
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,239
Now I'm gonna have to
put this team together,

667
00:27:00,239 --> 00:27:02,517
and see if I can get some
people who wanna tell the story,

668
00:27:02,517 --> 00:27:05,313
who are passionate about
bringing this story home.

669
00:27:06,176 --> 00:27:08,109
[phone ringing]

670
00:27:08,109 --> 00:27:11,733
Hi Chris, nice to finally
talk to you properly.

671
00:27:11,733 --> 00:27:12,665
Throughout this whole journey

672
00:27:12,665 --> 00:27:15,392
of trying to find this boat,

673
00:27:15,392 --> 00:27:17,014
I've always kind of had
you in the back of my mind,

674
00:27:17,014 --> 00:27:18,498
knowing that you've done
this stuff in the past

675
00:27:18,498 --> 00:27:20,259
with the surveying and
all that sort of thing.

676
00:27:20,259 --> 00:27:23,918
So it's brilliant to
finally get you on here,

677
00:27:23,918 --> 00:27:25,471
and have a chat.

678
00:27:25,471 --> 00:27:30,062
- Most of the ships are still
there in some form or another.

679
00:27:30,062 --> 00:27:31,511
Not very good condition,

680
00:27:31,511 --> 00:27:35,067
because Normandy had
a high tidal range,

681
00:27:36,102 --> 00:27:38,864
it had a strong tidal current,

682
00:27:38,864 --> 00:27:41,521
and it does erode steel.

683
00:27:41,521 --> 00:27:44,835
- But gooseberry five is
a real kind of key clue

684
00:27:44,835 --> 00:27:46,630
in this search for 185.
- Yeah.

685
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:49,288
- Is any of that
there at all, still?

686
00:27:49,288 --> 00:27:51,186
- Well funnily enough,

687
00:27:51,186 --> 00:27:53,154
that's been a question
that's been bugging me

688
00:27:53,154 --> 00:27:54,914
for quite a while.

689
00:27:54,914 --> 00:27:56,364
The idea behind the survey

690
00:27:56,364 --> 00:27:58,884
was to cover as
far as they could,

691
00:27:58,884 --> 00:28:02,922
and they found about
650 things on the bottom

692
00:28:02,922 --> 00:28:05,753
that were identifiable.

693
00:28:05,753 --> 00:28:08,479
I think I know where it is.

694
00:28:08,479 --> 00:28:09,722
- Really?
- I think we did cover it

695
00:28:09,722 --> 00:28:11,620
in the 2013 survey.

696
00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:13,381
- You think you
know where it is?

697
00:28:13,381 --> 00:28:16,108
- I think there is a
record of it, of...

698
00:28:16,108 --> 00:28:17,592
Well not a record,

699
00:28:17,592 --> 00:28:19,698
I think there is the remains
of it on the sea floor,

700
00:28:22,217 --> 00:28:24,772
off shore from gooseberry five.

701
00:28:24,772 --> 00:28:28,637
Here are the ships
within gooseberry five.

702
00:28:28,637 --> 00:28:30,156
The Corvette is here.

703
00:28:30,156 --> 00:28:33,332
This one here is my candidate

704
00:28:33,332 --> 00:28:34,264
for

705
00:28:34,264 --> 00:28:35,092
LCH185.

706
00:28:39,165 --> 00:28:40,304
- I just can't believe it.

707
00:28:40,304 --> 00:28:42,375
It's just, it's
absolutely mind blowing.

708
00:28:42,375 --> 00:28:43,687
That gives me confidence,

709
00:28:43,687 --> 00:28:46,034
'cause I don't know if
I've told you before,

710
00:28:46,034 --> 00:28:48,416
but I'm gonna have to
learn to dive to do this.

711
00:28:48,416 --> 00:28:49,693
So. [laughs]
- Right.

712
00:28:49,693 --> 00:28:51,557
I have come across
a group of divers,

713
00:28:51,557 --> 00:28:54,249
and they are willing to
come over and dive with you.

714
00:28:55,630 --> 00:28:59,841
- We heard that a young
archeologist had made a promise,

715
00:28:59,841 --> 00:29:02,671
and he sort of said he
was learning to dive,

716
00:29:02,671 --> 00:29:06,089
or wanted to learn to dive in
order to fulfill this promise.

717
00:29:06,089 --> 00:29:10,127
- Because we'd already been
over to Normandy last year,

718
00:29:11,059 --> 00:29:12,716
yeah, we were up for it.

719
00:29:12,716 --> 00:29:15,754
[light guitar music]

720
00:29:23,382 --> 00:29:26,178
I think if anyone comes
to you with a story

721
00:29:26,178 --> 00:29:28,318
of the nature of Patrick's,

722
00:29:28,318 --> 00:29:31,493
finding where their
last resting place is

723
00:29:31,493 --> 00:29:33,841
and having that

724
00:29:33,841 --> 00:29:36,015
closure for people

725
00:29:36,015 --> 00:29:37,396
is a big puzzle,

726
00:29:37,396 --> 00:29:38,673
and we try to

727
00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:40,917
solve puzzles.

728
00:29:40,917 --> 00:29:42,988
We had to pull together a team

729
00:29:42,988 --> 00:29:45,542
of a minimum of
six divers, really.

730
00:29:45,542 --> 00:29:50,029
So we've got Martin
as expedition leader,

731
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:53,032
he's responsible for
everything. [laughs]

732
00:29:53,032 --> 00:29:54,482
And then we've got other people

733
00:29:54,482 --> 00:29:58,003
who are qualified in
survey techniques.

734
00:29:58,003 --> 00:29:59,625
We've worked together before.

735
00:29:59,625 --> 00:30:01,869
Well I say work,
but it isn't is it?

736
00:30:01,869 --> 00:30:06,114
It's recreation diving
but with a real purpose,

737
00:30:06,114 --> 00:30:07,771
so we're not employed
to do any of this,

738
00:30:07,771 --> 00:30:08,737
this is just

739
00:30:10,670 --> 00:30:12,776
something that's driven in us

740
00:30:12,776 --> 00:30:16,918
just to do that extra bit,
and find out what we can.

741
00:30:20,957 --> 00:30:24,857
- I'm in France, I got the
overnight ferry last night.

742
00:30:24,857 --> 00:30:26,963
I'm trying to find
these two houses

743
00:30:26,963 --> 00:30:30,932
that Patrick's craft would
have been aiming to reach

744
00:30:30,932 --> 00:30:32,485
at Sword Beach,

745
00:30:32,485 --> 00:30:35,350
and I got the coordinates
off of Stephen yesterday.

746
00:30:36,938 --> 00:30:38,215
And it's taking me,

747
00:30:38,215 --> 00:30:39,838
not to Lion-sur-Mer,
but to Hermonville,

748
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,116
which is different
to what I've heard.

749
00:30:42,116 --> 00:30:43,358
So it's gonna be
quite interesting

750
00:30:43,358 --> 00:30:45,222
to see if I can find them.

751
00:30:45,222 --> 00:30:46,465
It's confusing,

752
00:30:46,465 --> 00:30:48,363
because if this is where
those two houses are.

753
00:30:48,363 --> 00:30:51,815
If I can find the houses that
I've been sent to look for,

754
00:30:51,815 --> 00:30:53,196
and it's not in Lion-sur-Mer,

755
00:30:54,749 --> 00:30:56,855
then Patrick's story
has completely changed,

756
00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:58,408
and then does that change

757
00:30:58,408 --> 00:31:00,168
where the ship might
have gone down?

758
00:31:01,445 --> 00:31:03,620
In fact, I think these
might be the houses.

759
00:31:13,975 --> 00:31:16,598
[Phone ringing]

760
00:31:17,806 --> 00:31:19,049
- [Stephen] Hello,
Stephen Fisher?

761
00:31:19,049 --> 00:31:21,017
- You all right
Stephen, it's John.

762
00:31:21,017 --> 00:31:21,845
- [Stephen] Hello, John.

763
00:31:21,845 --> 00:31:23,502
- How you doing?

764
00:31:23,502 --> 00:31:24,537
- [Stephen] Yeah, I'm good.

765
00:31:24,537 --> 00:31:25,366
How are you?
- Yeah?

766
00:31:25,366 --> 00:31:26,194
I'm all right, yeah.

767
00:31:26,194 --> 00:31:26,988
A bit confused.

768
00:31:26,988 --> 00:31:27,782
We're in Normandy,

769
00:31:29,439 --> 00:31:32,235
and I've just tracked
down these houses.

770
00:31:32,235 --> 00:31:33,512
- [Stephen] Yep.

771
00:31:33,512 --> 00:31:34,547
- And they're not in
Lion-sur-Mer at all,

772
00:31:34,547 --> 00:31:36,860
they're in Hermonville-sur-Mer,

773
00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:39,932
which is about two miles
further down the beach.

774
00:31:41,347 --> 00:31:42,245
- [Stephen] Was it definitely
the right houses, yeah?

775
00:31:42,245 --> 00:31:43,487
- Definitely, yeah.

776
00:31:43,487 --> 00:31:45,248
It's really great
work with that.

777
00:31:45,248 --> 00:31:46,559
They haven't changed
at all, yeah.

778
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:47,871
It's amazing.

779
00:31:47,871 --> 00:31:49,459
So Patrick's always
told me this story

780
00:31:49,459 --> 00:31:53,256
that his craft was heading
towards Lion-sur-Mer on D Day,

781
00:31:53,256 --> 00:31:56,397
but he remembers vividly
when landing at Sword Beach,

782
00:31:56,397 --> 00:31:58,606
these houses shining
in the French sunlight,

783
00:31:58,606 --> 00:32:00,194
these beautiful French houses.

784
00:32:00,194 --> 00:32:01,920
And I follow the coordinates
that Stephen gave me,

785
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,300
and it took me to a town

786
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:05,578
called Hermonville-sur-Mer,
not Lion-sur-Mer,

787
00:32:05,578 --> 00:32:07,891
which was really confusing.

788
00:32:07,891 --> 00:32:10,031
But I've just got off
the phone with Stephen,

789
00:32:10,031 --> 00:32:13,207
and it seems as if
Hermonville-sur-Mer
is a newer edition.

790
00:32:13,207 --> 00:32:15,209
In the war, all of this
was just countryside.

791
00:32:15,209 --> 00:32:17,349
And so, once they've put
all these new houses in,

792
00:32:17,349 --> 00:32:18,626
it needed a new name,

793
00:32:18,626 --> 00:32:19,627
and that seems to
be what's happened.

794
00:32:19,627 --> 00:32:21,111
When I said to Patrick,

795
00:32:21,111 --> 00:32:22,423
I'll find your ship,
I'll build your memorial,

796
00:32:22,423 --> 00:32:23,976
it seemed like a
pretty simple task.

797
00:32:23,976 --> 00:32:26,254
Go to France, find where
the ship went down,

798
00:32:26,254 --> 00:32:28,429
put a plaque up. You know,
this is harder than I thought,

799
00:32:28,429 --> 00:32:31,742
just to find out where the
ship was on top of the water,

800
00:32:31,742 --> 00:32:33,192
let alone underneath it.

801
00:32:33,192 --> 00:32:34,400
What next, yeah. [laughs]

802
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,712
What is this gonna
throw up next?

803
00:32:37,162 --> 00:32:38,473
[divers chattering]

804
00:32:38,473 --> 00:32:40,924
[engine revving]

805
00:32:40,924 --> 00:32:42,098
- Hello, you!

806
00:32:42,098 --> 00:32:43,064
- Hello.
- How you doing?

807
00:32:43,064 --> 00:32:44,238
- How are you?
- Long time.

808
00:32:44,238 --> 00:32:44,893
- Hey.
- Nice to finally meet you.

809
00:32:44,893 --> 00:32:45,549
- Thank you.

810
00:32:45,549 --> 00:32:46,930
- Good journey?

811
00:32:46,930 --> 00:32:48,621
- Oh yeah, it was all
right. Not too bad.

812
00:32:48,621 --> 00:32:49,450
- Yeah, we're good.
- Nice to see you.

813
00:32:49,450 --> 00:32:51,072
- So, we're all here.

814
00:32:51,072 --> 00:32:53,005
- We are, at last.
- Finally.

815
00:32:53,005 --> 00:32:54,179
- At last.

816
00:32:54,179 --> 00:32:55,214
- So, how was this morning?

817
00:32:55,214 --> 00:32:56,595
All good?

818
00:32:56,595 --> 00:32:58,217
- Could have been better.
- Yeah?

819
00:32:58,217 --> 00:32:59,425
- Yeah.

820
00:32:59,425 --> 00:33:01,151
We've had a little
incident this morning.

821
00:33:01,151 --> 00:33:02,497
- Okay.

822
00:33:02,497 --> 00:33:05,017
- You'll notice the
engine cover is off.

823
00:33:05,017 --> 00:33:06,225
- Okay.

824
00:33:06,225 --> 00:33:07,744
- So we had a little
problem with the engine.

825
00:33:07,744 --> 00:33:10,989
It's been making very funny
noises, quite concerning.

826
00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:13,612
It sounded like a bag of stones.

827
00:33:13,612 --> 00:33:15,855
Yeah, just it was
really rattling along.

828
00:33:15,855 --> 00:33:18,410
We're gonna have to go
to the marina tomorrow,

829
00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:20,550
to see if we can get that fixed.

830
00:33:20,550 --> 00:33:23,139
- Okay, so you managed
to get the buoy out?

831
00:33:23,139 --> 00:33:24,278
- No, we didn't.
- You didn't?

832
00:33:24,278 --> 00:33:26,073
- No, no, no.
- Oh, okay.

833
00:33:26,073 --> 00:33:28,696
- So, we've still
got that job to do.

834
00:33:28,696 --> 00:33:30,111
[sighs] Yes.
- It happens.

835
00:33:30,111 --> 00:33:31,664
- Welcome to the
world of diving.

836
00:33:31,664 --> 00:33:33,356
- Yeah, right.

837
00:33:33,356 --> 00:33:34,529
A nice welcome.

838
00:33:34,529 --> 00:33:35,806
- Disappointing,
'cause we're all set,

839
00:33:35,806 --> 00:33:37,015
ready to go.
- Well, I can imagine.

840
00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:38,223
You must be so pumped
up and ready to do it.

841
00:33:38,223 --> 00:33:40,432
- Well, and you too.
- Yeah.

842
00:33:40,432 --> 00:33:41,916
Splutter your way to the shore.

843
00:33:41,916 --> 00:33:45,126
- So, then we'll set
up our headquarters.

844
00:33:45,126 --> 00:33:47,749
- And Stephen, you've
got some LCH plans.

845
00:33:47,749 --> 00:33:50,028
- Yeah, got some
useful documents.

846
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:52,030
Hopefully, it'll give us a
little more of an insight

847
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,101
into the diagnostic
features to look for.

848
00:33:54,101 --> 00:33:56,655
- You'll remember that
we went to Marseilles,

849
00:33:56,655 --> 00:33:58,657
to meet the people at Drassom.

850
00:33:58,657 --> 00:34:02,799
And she showed us the
multi-beam sonar images

851
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:04,904
from their survey last year.

852
00:34:06,113 --> 00:34:07,700
They believe it's
a different wreck.

853
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:10,496
- Yeah, yeah.
- So, our money's on

854
00:34:11,394 --> 00:34:12,567
the LCH.
- Yeah.

855
00:34:12,567 --> 00:34:14,086
I mean, having
looked at it myself,

856
00:34:14,086 --> 00:34:15,501
I'm not convinced that it's
another boat on its side.

857
00:34:15,501 --> 00:34:16,916
That seems-
- No.

858
00:34:16,916 --> 00:34:18,470
- I couldn't work out
how that could be-

859
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:19,747
- No.

860
00:34:19,747 --> 00:34:21,231
There should be
some key features,

861
00:34:21,231 --> 00:34:24,579
assuming that they're left
there on the seabed for us,

862
00:34:24,579 --> 00:34:26,616
to help nail it
once and for all.

863
00:34:26,616 --> 00:34:27,582
- Yeah.

864
00:34:27,582 --> 00:34:28,825
Archeology always goes wrong,

865
00:34:28,825 --> 00:34:30,068
that's pretty much
90% of the time.

866
00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:33,036
I mean, I'm very much
used to this feeling.

867
00:34:34,210 --> 00:34:35,935
- So we're heading
down to Ouistreham,

868
00:34:35,935 --> 00:34:39,318
where we can check
out our engine.

869
00:34:39,318 --> 00:34:40,871
- Quiet day in France,

870
00:34:40,871 --> 00:34:43,115
a lot of shops and
businesses are closed.

871
00:34:45,842 --> 00:34:48,672
[team chattering]

872
00:34:50,329 --> 00:34:51,848
- We've been granted permission

873
00:34:51,848 --> 00:34:54,368
for me to dive the wreck
at the end of the survey,

874
00:34:54,368 --> 00:34:56,956
to help Patrick say
goodbye to those guys.

875
00:34:58,406 --> 00:35:00,581
Patrick can't go down there
and see it after 74 years,

876
00:35:00,581 --> 00:35:01,789
but as his friend,

877
00:35:01,789 --> 00:35:03,342
it's almost as if I'm
kind of the vessel

878
00:35:03,342 --> 00:35:04,585
for Patrick to go down there.

879
00:35:04,585 --> 00:35:06,518
I'm like, I'm Patrick
submarine I suppose,

880
00:35:06,518 --> 00:35:08,658
that can go down there
and see it for him.

881
00:35:08,658 --> 00:35:10,073
And to be able to come
back and say like,

882
00:35:10,073 --> 00:35:11,557
"We did it, Patrick.

883
00:35:11,557 --> 00:35:12,834
We went down there."

884
00:35:20,221 --> 00:35:22,603
- So they've got no time
to have a look at anything,

885
00:35:22,603 --> 00:35:25,399
but he suggested
their competitors,

886
00:35:25,399 --> 00:35:28,091
or colleagues next door.

887
00:35:28,091 --> 00:35:29,782
- Right.
- Right, okay.

888
00:35:29,782 --> 00:35:32,647
- We realized we had
to abandon the boat,

889
00:35:33,717 --> 00:35:34,960
so plan B.

890
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:39,516
So, here we are.
- Yeah.

891
00:35:39,516 --> 00:35:41,208
And what's the plan, then?

892
00:35:41,208 --> 00:35:44,625
- Unfortunately,
none of the mechanics

893
00:35:44,625 --> 00:35:46,005
could look at the boat.

894
00:35:46,005 --> 00:35:47,110
They didn't have time,

895
00:35:47,110 --> 00:35:48,560
they're very busy.
- Okay.

896
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,840
- I've completed the paperwork
online for renting a boat

897
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,668
tomorrow,

898
00:35:53,668 --> 00:35:54,635
so let's just hope.

899
00:35:54,635 --> 00:35:56,119
- Is it two dives tomorrow?

900
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,466
- The first pair is
gonna go in and establish

901
00:35:58,466 --> 00:35:59,916
what we call a "shot-line",

902
00:35:59,916 --> 00:36:01,124
where we'll shot the
wreck with the shot-line,

903
00:36:01,124 --> 00:36:02,850
and then we'll
establish what we can,

904
00:36:02,850 --> 00:36:04,990
what we're gonna call
a permanent buoy.

905
00:36:04,990 --> 00:36:07,717
- The wreck is
how deep, roughly?

906
00:36:07,717 --> 00:36:08,994
About...

907
00:36:08,994 --> 00:36:11,272
- I think ultimately
it's around 21 meters,

908
00:36:11,272 --> 00:36:12,480
but I think tomorrow,

909
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,551
we'll be looking
about 19, 20 meters.

910
00:36:14,551 --> 00:36:16,312
- Cecille at Drassom,

911
00:36:16,312 --> 00:36:19,453
have actually recorded this
as a landing craft gun,

912
00:36:20,833 --> 00:36:24,872
which was based on a
landing craft tank platform,

913
00:36:24,872 --> 00:36:29,773
so it had a bow door which
opened to let the tanks out.

914
00:36:30,912 --> 00:36:32,155
The difference
between a tank door

915
00:36:32,155 --> 00:36:35,434
and obviously a pointed bow,

916
00:36:35,434 --> 00:36:37,125
is gonna be one of
the main features.

917
00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:40,128
So here we have the
multi-beam image

918
00:36:40,128 --> 00:36:43,477
taken from the UK
Hydrographic Office.

919
00:36:43,477 --> 00:36:46,549
Chris Howlett has overlaid

920
00:36:46,549 --> 00:36:47,584
this plan

921
00:36:47,584 --> 00:36:48,551
onto

922
00:36:48,551 --> 00:36:50,069
that image.

923
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:53,521
This particular piece here,
looks a fairly good match.

924
00:36:53,521 --> 00:36:54,902
- Yeah.
- In theory.

925
00:36:54,902 --> 00:36:57,836
But actually it'll
be eyes underwater

926
00:36:57,836 --> 00:36:59,078
that are looking at that,

927
00:36:59,078 --> 00:37:00,839
and measuring with
a tape measure.

928
00:37:00,839 --> 00:37:05,568
This is the area we like
to measure particularly.

929
00:37:05,568 --> 00:37:07,915
This is what we
think is the stern.

930
00:37:07,915 --> 00:37:11,919
We'll also make our way up to
what appears to be the bow,

931
00:37:11,919 --> 00:37:15,060
the yellow dot right
at the end there.

932
00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:18,443
Landing crafts headquarters
had a special modification,

933
00:37:18,443 --> 00:37:23,413
which was a special mast
with a radar on the top.

934
00:37:24,897 --> 00:37:28,384
So this piece, this piece, and
maybe at the stern as well,

935
00:37:29,626 --> 00:37:31,801
will be some of the key
areas for us to look at.

936
00:37:31,801 --> 00:37:34,873
- The schedule is you know,
written to every minute,

937
00:37:34,873 --> 00:37:36,357
and there was no doubt
that we were gonna

938
00:37:36,357 --> 00:37:38,497
locate that wreck and
try and identify it.

939
00:37:38,497 --> 00:37:40,258
That was gonna be the hard part.

940
00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:41,845
Identifying it and
doing the survey,

941
00:37:41,845 --> 00:37:43,537
and we were worried
about visibility,

942
00:37:43,537 --> 00:37:45,332
we were worried about
the current, the cold.

943
00:37:45,332 --> 00:37:48,231
Now we've has to worry
about not having a boat,

944
00:37:48,231 --> 00:37:49,853
so we've not even
gotten to the point

945
00:37:49,853 --> 00:37:52,200
where we were supposed
to be worried.

946
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,513
[laughs] This is like
the pre-worry, I suppose.

947
00:37:55,928 --> 00:37:59,035
- Okay, this is the main
structure we're gonna aim for.

948
00:37:59,035 --> 00:38:02,245
So we think the stern's lump
is sort of here, as well.

949
00:38:02,245 --> 00:38:03,591
[phone beeps]

950
00:38:03,591 --> 00:38:04,558
What's that?

951
00:38:05,904 --> 00:38:07,146
- Yay, we got the boat!
- Wahey!

952
00:38:07,146 --> 00:38:09,079
- We got the boat.
- Fantastic, fantastic.

953
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:10,426
- Hey, guys!

954
00:38:10,426 --> 00:38:11,392
We got a boat!

955
00:38:12,945 --> 00:38:13,774
Brilliant.

956
00:38:16,224 --> 00:38:18,503
As soon as the whale
bag's in the car.

957
00:38:18,503 --> 00:38:21,299
[team chattering]

958
00:38:27,166 --> 00:38:30,653
[light orchestral music]

959
00:38:32,171 --> 00:38:34,933
[engine revving]

960
00:38:42,009 --> 00:38:45,392
[light orchestral music]

961
00:38:52,882 --> 00:38:56,230
- [groans] There we go.

962
00:38:57,473 --> 00:39:00,890
[light orchestral music]

963
00:39:02,409 --> 00:39:05,860
- Sadly, the boat isn't
really geared up for diving.

964
00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:07,586
It's a smaller boat,

965
00:39:07,586 --> 00:39:11,487
this other boat was
a good meter shorter,

966
00:39:11,487 --> 00:39:15,042
and was more pleasure
boat or fishing boat.

967
00:39:15,042 --> 00:39:18,217
- Our expectation
of it was much,

968
00:39:18,217 --> 00:39:20,944
much more than actually
it's capabilities were.

969
00:39:20,944 --> 00:39:21,911
- We've left you mark,

970
00:39:21,911 --> 00:39:23,740
mark way points where you are,

971
00:39:23,740 --> 00:39:25,086
but I've struggled to find

972
00:39:25,086 --> 00:39:27,192
where to actually input
them in the system.

973
00:39:27,192 --> 00:39:30,229
- We had some
interesting experience

974
00:39:30,229 --> 00:39:32,197
with trying to work
out the electronics.

975
00:39:33,405 --> 00:39:35,131
- Press down.
- There isn't one.

976
00:39:35,131 --> 00:39:37,754
Boat basically took
on a lot of water,

977
00:39:37,754 --> 00:39:39,963
it was probably overloaded.

978
00:39:39,963 --> 00:39:41,102
- It's good, it's good.

979
00:39:42,794 --> 00:39:44,934
It'll get us there, that's
the important thing.

980
00:39:44,934 --> 00:39:48,420
[engine revving]

981
00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:50,733
- We'd probably, ideally
look at a five day window

982
00:39:50,733 --> 00:39:52,390
for this type of project.

983
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:55,634
- We're limited
to this window of

984
00:39:55,634 --> 00:39:57,843
no tide, no current,

985
00:39:57,843 --> 00:39:59,845
where we can do that activity.

986
00:39:59,845 --> 00:40:03,815
And then the tide starts to
change and the current picks up,

987
00:40:03,815 --> 00:40:06,300
and you can't work
in those conditions.

988
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:09,096
[waves crashing]

989
00:40:09,096 --> 00:40:11,236
- Not being a commercial diver,

990
00:40:11,236 --> 00:40:14,826
essentially means that
I've had to lead the survey

991
00:40:14,826 --> 00:40:16,621
topside for five days,

992
00:40:16,621 --> 00:40:18,174
which has been
incredibly frustrating.

993
00:40:18,174 --> 00:40:19,693
To be at this point now

994
00:40:19,693 --> 00:40:21,108
where I'm actually going into
the water, is a huge thing.

995
00:40:21,108 --> 00:40:23,662
And at this point
I've only shore dived,

996
00:40:23,662 --> 00:40:25,492
and that's totally different.

997
00:40:25,492 --> 00:40:27,286
We'll see what it's like
when we get out there.

998
00:40:27,286 --> 00:40:29,910
I mean, I'm always
up for a challenge.

999
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:31,463
There's no way I'm not doing it.

1000
00:40:32,568 --> 00:40:35,294
[engine revving]

1001
00:40:37,607 --> 00:40:38,953
- We searched for two hours

1002
00:40:38,953 --> 00:40:41,542
and just found
effectively a flat seabed,

1003
00:40:41,542 --> 00:40:45,926
not helped by a very lumpy
sea going up and down.

1004
00:40:45,926 --> 00:40:48,687
[engine revving]

1005
00:40:49,757 --> 00:40:52,484
[waves crashing]

1006
00:41:00,112 --> 00:41:01,700
After being out
there for two hours,

1007
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:04,254
I think we'd all had enough
and we called it a day.

1008
00:41:08,707 --> 00:41:11,399
[engine revving]

1009
00:41:12,884 --> 00:41:15,576
- Hey, John.
- Yeah?

1010
00:41:15,576 --> 00:41:16,853
How are you going?

1011
00:41:16,853 --> 00:41:18,199
- We didn't find it.
- You didn't find it?

1012
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:19,925
- We spent two hours-
- Geez.

1013
00:41:19,925 --> 00:41:21,686
- On the sonar
trying to find it,

1014
00:41:21,686 --> 00:41:22,721
and we can't find it.

1015
00:41:22,721 --> 00:41:24,309
- So, what's the plan now?

1016
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:25,586
- Try again.
- Yeah?

1017
00:41:25,586 --> 00:41:26,484
- As ever.

1018
00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:27,623
- Get warm.
- Yep.

1019
00:41:27,623 --> 00:41:29,107
We don't give in.
- Oh well.

1020
00:41:29,107 --> 00:41:30,453
- Oh yeah, we need to warm up!
- Better go and get warm.

1021
00:41:30,453 --> 00:41:32,420
Yeah, totally.
- Okay, get the kettle on.

1022
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:33,491
- This is so

1023
00:41:34,353 --> 00:41:35,769
painful

1024
00:41:35,769 --> 00:41:37,702
to be a day and a half in,

1025
00:41:37,702 --> 00:41:39,738
no one has found the wreck yet.

1026
00:41:39,738 --> 00:41:41,153
You know, there's
a whole team here,

1027
00:41:41,153 --> 00:41:42,465
there's seven or eight people.

1028
00:41:42,465 --> 00:41:43,708
We've all had to come together,

1029
00:41:43,708 --> 00:41:45,123
we've all had to
get time off work.

1030
00:41:45,123 --> 00:41:46,400
Everyone's you know,
descended on this one point,

1031
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,988
in this one week of the
year where we can do it.

1032
00:41:47,988 --> 00:41:49,230
You know, they're
an amazing team,

1033
00:41:49,230 --> 00:41:50,715
and they're so capable
of doing these things.

1034
00:41:50,715 --> 00:41:52,717
But I wanna get involved
and I wanna help find it,

1035
00:41:52,717 --> 00:41:54,546
but then there's not much
point me just sitting on a boat

1036
00:41:54,546 --> 00:41:56,237
and getting seasick
with the rest of them.

1037
00:41:56,237 --> 00:41:58,861
But I'm confident it will
figure itself out, you know.

1038
00:41:58,861 --> 00:42:00,345
You've just gotta
keep going out there,

1039
00:42:00,345 --> 00:42:02,899
and keep looking for it.
Which is easy for me to say,

1040
00:42:02,899 --> 00:42:05,488
'cause I'm sat in a
warm house [laughs]

1041
00:42:05,488 --> 00:42:06,869
waiting for them to tell me.

1042
00:42:14,532 --> 00:42:17,155
Sounds like everything's
set up, ready to go.

1043
00:42:17,155 --> 00:42:18,397
- Yeah, problem is-
- Everyone's geared up.

1044
00:42:18,397 --> 00:42:19,951
- It's a bit lumpy out there.

1045
00:42:19,951 --> 00:42:22,540
So looks fine here, but when
you get out to the open water-

1046
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:24,921
- Do you suffer
from seasickness?

1047
00:42:24,921 --> 00:42:27,268
- We'll find out,
I suppose. [laughs]

1048
00:42:27,268 --> 00:42:29,995
[engine revving]

1049
00:42:29,995 --> 00:42:30,824
Good luck!

1050
00:42:33,412 --> 00:42:34,724
And there's a lot more
pressure this time round,

1051
00:42:34,724 --> 00:42:36,243
I feel like.

1052
00:42:36,243 --> 00:42:38,728
Everyone's a bit on edge,
but they're optimistic.

1053
00:42:38,728 --> 00:42:41,006
It's not just the location
that we've gotta do,

1054
00:42:41,006 --> 00:42:42,214
we've gotta actually survey it.

1055
00:42:42,214 --> 00:42:44,251
And we've got a
day and a half now,

1056
00:42:44,251 --> 00:42:47,565
to try and identify the
wreck, which is pretty scary.

1057
00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:50,222
Patrick gets here
tomorrow night.

1058
00:42:50,222 --> 00:42:51,879
Tomorrow night,
Patrick gets here.

1059
00:42:51,879 --> 00:42:53,674
He's here to see a dive trip.

1060
00:42:53,674 --> 00:42:56,988
No one's been in the water
yet, they've been on the water.

1061
00:42:56,988 --> 00:42:58,472
I don't make it out to
the dive team that much,

1062
00:42:58,472 --> 00:43:00,612
but I'm pretty
stressed about it.

1063
00:43:00,612 --> 00:43:03,442
[engine revving]

1064
00:43:05,513 --> 00:43:06,618
- We're good.

1065
00:43:06,618 --> 00:43:09,690
[light guitar music]

1066
00:43:13,832 --> 00:43:16,317
- So yeah, I'm in Lion-sur-Mer
right now Patrick,

1067
00:43:16,317 --> 00:43:17,836
on the seafront.
- Yeah.

1068
00:43:17,836 --> 00:43:20,149
- I've just had a meeting
with the Mayor again,

1069
00:43:20,149 --> 00:43:22,841
he's picked a spot for
the memorial to go.

1070
00:43:22,841 --> 00:43:24,532
On the 6th of June this year,

1071
00:43:24,532 --> 00:43:26,638
we're gonna unveil
the memorial here.

1072
00:43:26,638 --> 00:43:27,950
So there's gonna be a band,

1073
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:30,055
there's gonna be the
Mayor, all of the town.

1074
00:43:30,055 --> 00:43:33,058
- Crumbs!
- Crumbs, yeah. [laughs]

1075
00:43:33,058 --> 00:43:34,784
We've got a date and
we've got a time,

1076
00:43:34,784 --> 00:43:36,683
and it's all going ahead now.

1077
00:43:36,683 --> 00:43:39,064
[Patrick laughs]

1078
00:43:39,064 --> 00:43:39,996
Yeah, I know, I know.

1079
00:43:39,996 --> 00:43:42,309
It's great, isn't it? [laughs]

1080
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:43,448
- Along side a mooring.

1081
00:43:46,485 --> 00:43:49,972
- If you keep an eye
on the sonar here,

1082
00:43:49,972 --> 00:43:53,803
as they come into the buoy
and use the wind as a break,

1083
00:43:53,803 --> 00:43:56,668
you'll see that the rise up

1084
00:43:56,668 --> 00:43:57,496
represents

1085
00:43:58,912 --> 00:44:00,534
the target.

1086
00:44:00,534 --> 00:44:01,949
It's just jumped up from...

1087
00:44:01,949 --> 00:44:04,089
That's the highest
point we've seen so far.

1088
00:44:07,748 --> 00:44:09,957
- We were desperate
to get in the water,

1089
00:44:09,957 --> 00:44:12,373
and go down and dive it,
see what we could see.

1090
00:44:12,373 --> 00:44:16,550
It was gonna be a disaster if
we hadn't have found anything.

1091
00:44:18,725 --> 00:44:20,105
- Ready?

1092
00:44:20,105 --> 00:44:21,589
Go!

1093
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:24,385
[water splashing]

1094
00:44:28,355 --> 00:44:31,772
[light orchestral music]

1095
00:44:35,189 --> 00:44:39,538
- We descended below
the murk of what is the

1096
00:44:39,538 --> 00:44:40,470
warm river,

1097
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:42,403
coming down towards the sea bed.

1098
00:44:42,403 --> 00:44:44,543
And then you see
this dark shape,

1099
00:44:44,543 --> 00:44:47,685
and then you start to see
some features of the wreck.

1100
00:44:49,031 --> 00:44:52,413
[light orchestral music]

1101
00:45:00,663 --> 00:45:04,046
[water gurgling]

1102
00:45:04,046 --> 00:45:07,394
[light orchestral music]

1103
00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:31,004
It was

1104
00:45:31,004 --> 00:45:33,696
a large lattice area,

1105
00:45:33,696 --> 00:45:36,354
which looks to be sort
of the hull of the ship,

1106
00:45:36,354 --> 00:45:41,290
all covered in fish, marine
life, starfish, scallops.

1107
00:45:42,187 --> 00:45:44,155
Just really beautiful, actually.

1108
00:45:45,363 --> 00:45:48,021
In another world,
it is another world.

1109
00:45:49,470 --> 00:45:52,439
The wreck itself
was quite shocking.

1110
00:45:52,439 --> 00:45:56,719
Quite shocking to see the
degree of destruction.

1111
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,136
There is a lot of very mangled,

1112
00:46:00,136 --> 00:46:02,276
contorted metal.

1113
00:46:02,276 --> 00:46:05,176
It was clear that it had
been quite badly damaged.

1114
00:46:06,246 --> 00:46:09,180
[water bubbling]

1115
00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:12,528
[light orchestral music]

1116
00:46:21,571 --> 00:46:22,641
- Diver on the surface,

1117
00:46:22,641 --> 00:46:23,953
it's Jim.
- Okay.

1118
00:46:27,405 --> 00:46:29,994
[Jim laughing]

1119
00:46:36,517 --> 00:46:39,348
[water trickling]

1120
00:46:46,942 --> 00:46:48,529
- Good to get us back together,

1121
00:46:48,529 --> 00:46:49,979
you must be pretty knackered.

1122
00:46:49,979 --> 00:46:52,050
So, does someone wanna
run me through the dive?

1123
00:46:52,050 --> 00:46:52,982
What happened [laughs]

1124
00:46:52,982 --> 00:46:54,225
after that?

1125
00:46:54,225 --> 00:46:55,813
- Oh, we just love to tease you.

1126
00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:57,469
[both laughing]

1127
00:46:57,469 --> 00:46:58,954
- Jaz went in first
and established a line.

1128
00:47:00,507 --> 00:47:02,302
- I had the privilege of
being the first one down.

1129
00:47:02,302 --> 00:47:05,512
We went along, there
was a lot of debris,

1130
00:47:05,512 --> 00:47:07,894
and at about the distance
we expected to find the bow,

1131
00:47:07,894 --> 00:47:10,862
we found a massive

1132
00:47:10,862 --> 00:47:11,690
winch.

1133
00:47:13,865 --> 00:47:16,212
- Okay, that's good right?

1134
00:47:16,212 --> 00:47:17,420
- Yeah, yeah.
- Yeah?

1135
00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:20,561
- This is the ditch,
and here's the center.

1136
00:47:20,561 --> 00:47:21,977
- So, this is the
turret, the gun turret?

1137
00:47:21,977 --> 00:47:24,496
- We think so, yeah.
- And that's the pedestal

1138
00:47:24,496 --> 00:47:26,913
that it's sitting
on, but upside down.

1139
00:47:26,913 --> 00:47:28,431
- The bow seems to
have disappeared,

1140
00:47:28,431 --> 00:47:32,470
so that major clue which we
were looking for isn't there.

1141
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:33,747
This is part of the capstan,

1142
00:47:33,747 --> 00:47:36,612
so you can see the sort
of capstan area here,

1143
00:47:36,612 --> 00:47:38,717
so that-
- And that bit is the winch.

1144
00:47:38,717 --> 00:47:41,997
When I saw the video of the
wreck for the first time,

1145
00:47:41,997 --> 00:47:44,931
it was really, just surreal,

1146
00:47:44,931 --> 00:47:46,173
because a year ago

1147
00:47:46,173 --> 00:47:47,865
I didn't even know if
the wreck still existed.

1148
00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:49,418
So, what was the deal
with the bow then?

1149
00:47:49,418 --> 00:47:50,591
It just wasn't there at all

1150
00:47:50,591 --> 00:47:51,627
when you got there, or-
- Well, we didn't-

1151
00:47:51,627 --> 00:47:52,766
- Oh sorry, the stern.

1152
00:47:52,766 --> 00:47:53,974
I meant the stern.

1153
00:47:53,974 --> 00:47:55,458
This is the flat bit-
- So this is the-

1154
00:47:55,458 --> 00:47:56,977
- You were talking about.
- Just a flat, smooth-

1155
00:47:56,977 --> 00:47:58,496
- Yeah.
- Smooth area.

1156
00:47:58,496 --> 00:48:00,187
- Would you think would
be the actual, the back?

1157
00:48:00,187 --> 00:48:02,431
- Yeah, its an angle.
- The very back of it?

1158
00:48:02,431 --> 00:48:04,364
- But I don't know, maybe
that's worth measuring,

1159
00:48:04,364 --> 00:48:05,883
if you've got the exact-
- Yeah.

1160
00:48:05,883 --> 00:48:07,194
- 'Cause it is, it's
got corners to it,

1161
00:48:07,194 --> 00:48:08,851
so you would be able to measure

1162
00:48:08,851 --> 00:48:11,474
the width of the transom
area you will have,

1163
00:48:11,474 --> 00:48:13,235
the exact stern.

1164
00:48:13,235 --> 00:48:14,892
You could measure that.

1165
00:48:14,892 --> 00:48:16,583
- You know, it's a sad sight.

1166
00:48:16,583 --> 00:48:19,103
It's in worse condition
than I could have pictured.

1167
00:48:19,103 --> 00:48:21,899
The sonar doesn't
give you that imagery,

1168
00:48:21,899 --> 00:48:24,349
it doesn't give you the
actual footage of the wreck,

1169
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:25,937
and I suppose I was
naive in thinking

1170
00:48:25,937 --> 00:48:29,113
that it probably still
was at least metal.

1171
00:48:29,113 --> 00:48:32,047
Well, it's not really
a ship anymore.

1172
00:48:32,047 --> 00:48:34,704
- I called it the ultimate
sort of puzzle to find,

1173
00:48:34,704 --> 00:48:37,915
it's real detective
stuff, it's real you know,

1174
00:48:39,261 --> 00:48:41,056
trying to work things out.

1175
00:48:41,056 --> 00:48:44,542
Something that was 70 odd
years ago and you're trying to,

1176
00:48:44,542 --> 00:48:46,958
what does this bent
bit of metal mean?

1177
00:48:46,958 --> 00:48:48,960
[laughs] It's quite a challenge.

1178
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,341
- I mean, I'm probably...

1179
00:48:50,341 --> 00:48:51,790
Really what's going
through my head,

1180
00:48:51,790 --> 00:48:53,827
is what Patrick would
think seeing this, I think.

1181
00:48:55,104 --> 00:48:57,141
- [Alison] Are you
concerned how he'd feel, or?

1182
00:48:59,246 --> 00:49:03,078
- I mean, not concerned
really, just...

1183
00:49:03,078 --> 00:49:05,218
Well you don't you
how he'll react

1184
00:49:07,427 --> 00:49:08,738
just seeing it, I guess.

1185
00:49:08,738 --> 00:49:12,259
'Cause it is such
a mangled mess.

1186
00:49:12,259 --> 00:49:13,502
- There doesn't look to be

1187
00:49:13,502 --> 00:49:14,675
a lot of material-
- No, there doesn't.

1188
00:49:14,675 --> 00:49:17,264
- Left on that picture.

1189
00:49:17,264 --> 00:49:20,198
- We might get lucky, it might
just say LCH185 right there.

1190
00:49:20,198 --> 00:49:22,787
[all laughing]

1191
00:49:23,822 --> 00:49:27,171
[light orchestral music]

1192
00:49:27,171 --> 00:49:28,241
[water splashing]

1193
00:49:28,241 --> 00:49:31,692
[water gurgling]

1194
00:49:31,692 --> 00:49:35,075
[light orchestral music]

1195
00:49:56,338 --> 00:49:57,856
How did the measuring go, then?

1196
00:49:57,856 --> 00:50:01,619
- We went down the
stern today and it was,

1197
00:50:01,619 --> 00:50:03,414
it's definitely
upside down, the ship.

1198
00:50:03,414 --> 00:50:04,967
So-
- Okay, yeah.

1199
00:50:04,967 --> 00:50:06,003
- You can see

1200
00:50:06,003 --> 00:50:08,488
the shape of the stern itself.

1201
00:50:09,696 --> 00:50:11,215
Some of the plating's gone,

1202
00:50:11,215 --> 00:50:13,562
but you can definitely still
see the outline of the shape.

1203
00:50:13,562 --> 00:50:14,942
We went up to the winch

1204
00:50:14,942 --> 00:50:17,221
and did a bit of photogrammetry
around there today,

1205
00:50:17,221 --> 00:50:18,636
so-
- Brilliant.

1206
00:50:18,636 --> 00:50:20,189
- [Martin] I'll run the pictures
quickly while we're out,

1207
00:50:20,189 --> 00:50:21,259
and just see whether
there's any chance

1208
00:50:21,259 --> 00:50:23,434
that those are lining up.

1209
00:50:23,434 --> 00:50:25,367
It's all these little clues-
- Yeah, yeah.

1210
00:50:25,367 --> 00:50:26,644
It's exciting-
- That come together-

1211
00:50:26,644 --> 00:50:28,094
- For you guys to come back-
- You know.

1212
00:50:28,094 --> 00:50:28,991
- And tell me these
things, it's really cool.

1213
00:50:28,991 --> 00:50:30,337
- There's no real big stuff,

1214
00:50:30,337 --> 00:50:31,925
but some of the smaller stuff

1215
00:50:31,925 --> 00:50:33,996
when we actually of
piece it together,

1216
00:50:33,996 --> 00:50:36,171
sometimes that'll be the final,

1217
00:50:36,171 --> 00:50:37,551
"Well, it could only be this."

1218
00:50:37,551 --> 00:50:39,036
- Yeah.

1219
00:50:39,036 --> 00:50:40,761
[light orchestral music]

1220
00:50:40,761 --> 00:50:44,524
- We've got an effective
width here of 7.9 meters.

1221
00:50:45,732 --> 00:50:48,838
- It does seem to be too
narrow to be an LCT4,

1222
00:50:48,838 --> 00:50:51,358
which was the landing craft gun.

1223
00:50:51,358 --> 00:50:53,050
So those three there,

1224
00:50:53,050 --> 00:50:55,535
match those three in the middle,

1225
00:50:55,535 --> 00:50:59,332
match there three here,
which are the engine room.

1226
00:50:59,332 --> 00:51:00,816
The puzzle is here.

1227
00:51:02,093 --> 00:51:04,164
I'm nervous about
meeting Patrick.

1228
00:51:06,235 --> 00:51:09,273
I know he's got a
great burning desire

1229
00:51:09,273 --> 00:51:13,967
to find the ship where
his friends were lost,

1230
00:51:13,967 --> 00:51:15,313
and I want to give him that.

1231
00:51:17,177 --> 00:51:17,971
I do.

1232
00:51:19,145 --> 00:51:20,974
I don't know if I can.

1233
00:51:20,974 --> 00:51:25,012
And we've tried so hard
over the last few days,

1234
00:51:25,012 --> 00:51:26,566
and

1235
00:51:26,566 --> 00:51:28,568
some things line up,

1236
00:51:28,568 --> 00:51:30,466
some things don't.

1237
00:51:30,466 --> 00:51:33,814
And I can't give him
that answer just now,

1238
00:51:33,814 --> 00:51:35,437
and

1239
00:51:35,437 --> 00:51:36,921
I hope he's not disappointed.

1240
00:51:39,337 --> 00:51:41,098
- Do you wanna come
in? Was the ferry good?

1241
00:51:42,409 --> 00:51:44,549
- Oh yes, it was all right.

1242
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:46,103
- Good.
- Very smooth crossing.

1243
00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:48,208
- Watch the step.
- Yes, I'll watch that.

1244
00:51:50,348 --> 00:51:52,592
- There he is, the
man of the hour.

1245
00:51:52,592 --> 00:51:53,489
- Hello.
- Hello.

1246
00:51:54,456 --> 00:51:55,940
- Hello.
- Hello.

1247
00:51:55,940 --> 00:51:57,493
- These are all the gentlemen?
- This is Patrick Thomas.

1248
00:51:57,493 --> 00:51:58,908
- Hello, Patrick.
- Our friend, Pat.

1249
00:51:58,908 --> 00:52:00,255
- Hello.
- Hello.

1250
00:52:00,255 --> 00:52:02,912
- So, this is Jim.
- I don't remember, Jim is it?

1251
00:52:02,912 --> 00:52:03,741
- Alison.

1252
00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:06,571
Two.

1253
00:52:06,571 --> 00:52:07,883
- Hello.

1254
00:52:07,883 --> 00:52:09,264
- You could see he had
the glint in his eye,

1255
00:52:09,264 --> 00:52:11,335
that John had warned me about.

1256
00:52:13,923 --> 00:52:16,098
He's lovely, absolutely lovely.

1257
00:52:17,064 --> 00:52:18,825
- Martin.
- Pardon?

1258
00:52:18,825 --> 00:52:20,758
- Martin!
- Martin.

1259
00:52:20,758 --> 00:52:22,139
- And I'm Doug.

1260
00:52:22,139 --> 00:52:23,692
- He's quite a
character, I have to say.

1261
00:52:23,692 --> 00:52:25,832
He is quite a character.

1262
00:52:25,832 --> 00:52:28,524
- [laughs] Jolly, it's
nice this wine, isn't it?

1263
00:52:28,524 --> 00:52:29,836
[all laughing]

1264
00:52:29,836 --> 00:52:32,079
- These are all
the sonar images.

1265
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:33,184
- Oh!

1266
00:52:33,184 --> 00:52:34,841
- That's you, yeah.
- Crumbs!

1267
00:52:34,841 --> 00:52:36,981
- We've been here
about three days.

1268
00:52:36,981 --> 00:52:39,397
We've found something.
- You did?

1269
00:52:39,397 --> 00:52:41,192
- Yeah, but it's a
bit more complicated

1270
00:52:41,192 --> 00:52:43,608
than we thought it would be.
- Oh.

1271
00:52:43,608 --> 00:52:44,954
- We think

1272
00:52:44,954 --> 00:52:47,716
the ship is upside down.

1273
00:52:47,716 --> 00:52:48,958
- Oh.

1274
00:52:48,958 --> 00:52:50,305
- [Alison] Which lines up with

1275
00:52:50,305 --> 00:52:51,858
what you were saying.
- When she was turning

1276
00:52:51,858 --> 00:52:52,686
like that.
- Yeah.

1277
00:52:52,686 --> 00:52:55,344
- We've also found some

1278
00:52:55,344 --> 00:52:56,483
particular

1279
00:52:57,726 --> 00:53:00,798
parts of the ship that we think

1280
00:53:00,798 --> 00:53:03,007
match 185,

1281
00:53:03,007 --> 00:53:06,700
but then there are other
bits that maybe don't fit.

1282
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:09,703
But we're very willing
to share with you

1283
00:53:09,703 --> 00:53:12,189
what we have found.
- Ooh, I'm bloody pleased,

1284
00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:13,017
nevertheless.

1285
00:53:13,017 --> 00:53:14,260
I'm grateful!

1286
00:53:14,260 --> 00:53:16,641
- This is something
I've been creating

1287
00:53:16,641 --> 00:53:18,919
from the wreckage.
- Is it?

1288
00:53:18,919 --> 00:53:21,267
- We think this is an engine.

1289
00:53:21,267 --> 00:53:23,614
We think this is a generator.

1290
00:53:23,614 --> 00:53:26,651
And this is the winch
that was at the front.

1291
00:53:26,651 --> 00:53:27,687
- [Patrick] Ah, yes.

1292
00:53:27,687 --> 00:53:29,585
- These three items

1293
00:53:30,586 --> 00:53:31,898
are very similar

1294
00:53:31,898 --> 00:53:35,108
to the three items on
the plans of the ship,

1295
00:53:35,108 --> 00:53:36,696
but we're still
looking at it yet.

1296
00:53:36,696 --> 00:53:38,870
We need a bit more
information, yet.

1297
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:42,460
So we think this is
part of the stern area,

1298
00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:45,014
so this is the
stern of the ship.

1299
00:53:45,014 --> 00:53:47,154
- That's right, that's what
I would have said, yes.

1300
00:53:47,154 --> 00:53:48,397
- [Martin] So it's quite narrow,

1301
00:53:48,397 --> 00:53:49,881
but you can still
see some shape.

1302
00:53:51,573 --> 00:53:54,955
[light orchestral music]

1303
00:54:02,377 --> 00:54:04,655
I'm afraid the engines
have disappeared.

1304
00:54:06,277 --> 00:54:09,660
[light orchestral music]

1305
00:54:20,567 --> 00:54:21,499
- Where's...

1306
00:54:21,499 --> 00:54:23,501
It's been so badly destroyed,

1307
00:54:23,501 --> 00:54:25,710
you can hardly
recognize what it is.

1308
00:54:26,884 --> 00:54:30,267
[light orchestral music]

1309
00:54:36,169 --> 00:54:38,723
But I think it's so kind of you

1310
00:54:38,723 --> 00:54:42,796
that you've all done
this you know, for me.

1311
00:54:42,796 --> 00:54:44,177
Well, I feel it's for me

1312
00:54:44,177 --> 00:54:46,662
and my shipmates.
- And your colleagues,

1313
00:54:46,662 --> 00:54:47,456
that's right.

1314
00:54:48,664 --> 00:54:50,252
- So you remember Patrick,

1315
00:54:50,252 --> 00:54:52,910
tomorrow I'm going
to dive down on that.

1316
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:54,152
- [Patrick] Yes.

1317
00:54:54,152 --> 00:54:55,326
- You gonna get
up nice and early,

1318
00:54:55,326 --> 00:54:57,501
and come see me down
at the marina tomorrow?

1319
00:54:57,501 --> 00:54:59,054
- Yes.

1320
00:54:59,054 --> 00:55:01,436
Now you good folk wanna go
to bed surely, don't you?

1321
00:55:01,436 --> 00:55:02,920
- We do.
- You wanna go off to bed.

1322
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,439
I'm gonna let you go.

1323
00:55:04,439 --> 00:55:06,924
[John laughs]

1324
00:55:09,513 --> 00:55:12,412
And I'll see you all again.
- Yes.

1325
00:55:12,412 --> 00:55:16,589
Just meeting Patrick and
hearing his stories first hand,

1326
00:55:16,589 --> 00:55:20,938
seeing how he still feels
that pain of what happened,

1327
00:55:20,938 --> 00:55:23,975
still very vivid in his mind.

1328
00:55:23,975 --> 00:55:25,977
- Right, okay chaps.

1329
00:55:25,977 --> 00:55:27,738
- See you in the morning.
- See you!

1330
00:55:27,738 --> 00:55:31,155
- Just helps reinforce why
it's important to do this.

1331
00:55:39,784 --> 00:55:42,546
[engine revving]

1332
00:55:50,657 --> 00:55:51,555
- Oh, lord.

1333
00:55:56,422 --> 00:55:57,492
- So, how are you Patrick?

1334
00:55:57,492 --> 00:55:59,217
- I'm fine, thanks.
- Yeah?

1335
00:55:59,217 --> 00:56:01,219
So this is it, this
is the big moment.

1336
00:56:01,219 --> 00:56:02,566
- At last we've made it.

1337
00:56:02,566 --> 00:56:04,740
- It's not too late
to get you suited up,

1338
00:56:04,740 --> 00:56:05,845
and come down.

1339
00:56:05,845 --> 00:56:07,536
- Pardon?
- It's not too late!

1340
00:56:07,536 --> 00:56:09,227
[both laughing]

1341
00:56:09,227 --> 00:56:10,643
- You betcha.

1342
00:56:10,643 --> 00:56:14,543
Oh my lord.

1343
00:56:14,543 --> 00:56:17,443
[Patrick laughing]

1344
00:56:19,893 --> 00:56:20,722
Crumbs.

1345
00:56:27,625 --> 00:56:28,592
All success!

1346
00:56:32,527 --> 00:56:34,908
[engine revving]

1347
00:56:34,908 --> 00:56:36,496
- You'd take a lady by the hand?

1348
00:56:38,049 --> 00:56:39,982
[all laughing]

1349
00:56:39,982 --> 00:56:41,639
- I'm sure he would.

1350
00:56:42,744 --> 00:56:44,539
- You know I'm on Facebook?

1351
00:56:44,539 --> 00:56:47,300
[engine revving]

1352
00:56:50,234 --> 00:56:52,995
[waves crashing]

1353
00:57:03,558 --> 00:57:06,353
[waves splashing]

1354
00:57:11,428 --> 00:57:14,189
[water gurgling]

1355
00:57:14,189 --> 00:57:16,087
- The second I threw
myself into the sea,

1356
00:57:16,087 --> 00:57:18,089
I think a wave just smashed
me straight in the face.

1357
00:57:18,089 --> 00:57:20,195
And then suddenly, I mean
three miles out, right?

1358
00:57:20,195 --> 00:57:22,162
So to go from going 10
meters off the shore

1359
00:57:22,162 --> 00:57:23,612
to three miles out,

1360
00:57:23,612 --> 00:57:25,649
and I'm suddenly at the
mercy of the English Channel.

1361
00:57:25,649 --> 00:57:28,997
[light orchestral music]

1362
00:57:47,015 --> 00:57:48,913
It was surreal, it was intense,

1363
00:57:48,913 --> 00:57:51,433
and it was so much to take in.

1364
00:57:52,952 --> 00:57:56,334
[light orchestral music]

1365
00:58:27,676 --> 00:58:28,953
When we came back up,

1366
00:58:28,953 --> 00:58:31,197
and I went up the ascent
line maybe five meters,

1367
00:58:31,197 --> 00:58:34,925
and I look back thinking
the wreck would be gone,

1368
00:58:34,925 --> 00:58:37,306
so I look back as if to be
like, "Okay, this is it.

1369
00:58:37,306 --> 00:58:38,549
I've done it."

1370
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:41,725
And it was still there,
so that threw me off.

1371
00:58:41,725 --> 00:58:43,450
So I went up another meter,

1372
00:58:43,450 --> 00:58:45,280
turned back thinking it
would still be there,

1373
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,488
and then it was gone.

1374
00:58:46,488 --> 00:58:48,455
So then, that took
me by surprise.

1375
00:58:48,455 --> 00:58:51,735
[water bubbling]

1376
00:58:51,735 --> 00:58:54,392
- Richard will grab hold of you.

1377
00:58:55,704 --> 00:58:59,121
[light orchestral music]

1378
00:59:19,901 --> 00:59:22,179
- John.
- I did it!

1379
00:59:22,179 --> 00:59:23,629
- You've done well
to get on with it.

1380
00:59:23,629 --> 00:59:25,700
- Yeah, good, good.
- Good-o, good-o.

1381
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:27,218
- I was quite taken aback

1382
00:59:27,218 --> 00:59:29,773
by how much like a boat
it actually is, you know.

1383
00:59:29,773 --> 00:59:31,878
You can still travel down it.

1384
00:59:32,845 --> 00:59:34,398
It's big.

1385
00:59:34,398 --> 00:59:36,711
The images don't really do
justice to how big it is,

1386
00:59:36,711 --> 00:59:38,436
it is big down there.

1387
00:59:38,436 --> 00:59:40,991
It's peaceful, it's
peaceful down there.

1388
00:59:40,991 --> 00:59:41,819
- Never...

1389
00:59:43,338 --> 00:59:46,617
I never thought this sort
of thing would ever happen,

1390
00:59:46,617 --> 00:59:47,825
not to me.

1391
00:59:47,825 --> 00:59:50,207
- Do you feel like
us being here,

1392
00:59:50,207 --> 00:59:53,072
finding the target
and diving it,

1393
00:59:53,072 --> 00:59:54,798
and you being here,

1394
00:59:54,798 --> 00:59:57,697
is that any sense
of a full circle?

1395
00:59:57,697 --> 00:59:59,216
- It is in that sense.

1396
00:59:59,216 --> 01:00:01,943
I never thought I
would react like this.

1397
01:00:04,186 --> 01:00:05,912
- [John] It's a
lot to take in, eh?

1398
01:00:07,534 --> 01:00:08,466
- Ah, well.

1399
01:00:14,196 --> 01:00:16,751
[Patrick sobs]

1400
01:00:40,153 --> 01:00:42,708
- Go and sit down?
- Yeah, okay.

1401
01:00:47,989 --> 01:00:49,991
- Just, I dunno.

1402
01:00:49,991 --> 01:00:52,131
Was it the right thing to do?

1403
01:00:52,131 --> 01:00:52,959
I dunno.

1404
01:00:54,064 --> 01:00:55,306
I think it's close,

1405
01:00:55,306 --> 01:00:57,412
I think he's happy
about it, but...

1406
01:01:03,245 --> 01:01:04,626
- After all these years.

1407
01:01:08,388 --> 01:01:09,182
What, 74.

1408
01:01:11,115 --> 01:01:12,082
Very nearly.

1409
01:01:16,086 --> 01:01:19,503
And they've brought it all
to the surface now I think,

1410
01:01:19,503 --> 01:01:21,091
oh fiddle-de-dee.

1411
01:01:21,091 --> 01:01:24,473
[light orchestral music]

1412
01:01:26,130 --> 01:01:27,649
And,

1413
01:01:27,649 --> 01:01:28,477
oh dear.

1414
01:01:29,582 --> 01:01:33,517
Anyway, I'm so pleased
you've done this.

1415
01:01:35,036 --> 01:01:38,833
And it's great to think
that all you people

1416
01:01:38,833 --> 01:01:40,489
have taken such an interest.

1417
01:01:41,387 --> 01:01:43,734
I never thought they would.

1418
01:01:43,734 --> 01:01:45,011
- There's moments
along this journey

1419
01:01:45,011 --> 01:01:47,600
where Patrick has
gotten quite upset,

1420
01:01:49,878 --> 01:01:51,121
which is understandable.

1421
01:01:51,121 --> 01:01:53,882
It's a lot of memories
that you're churning up,

1422
01:01:53,882 --> 01:01:55,988
and I've always
been aware of that.

1423
01:01:55,988 --> 01:01:58,059
And there's moments where
he's quiet and contemplative,

1424
01:01:58,059 --> 01:02:00,613
and I'm a worrier,
so I always think,

1425
01:02:00,613 --> 01:02:02,684
"Oh god, should I have
done any of this?"

1426
01:02:02,684 --> 01:02:04,824
Is kind of the thing
I always think,

1427
01:02:04,824 --> 01:02:07,378
because Patrick's very
quiet in the moment,

1428
01:02:07,378 --> 01:02:11,520
but then I know he thinks
about it and he appreciates it.

1429
01:02:12,729 --> 01:02:16,077
[light orchestral music]

1430
01:02:20,460 --> 01:02:22,739
- He was aged 29

1431
01:02:22,739 --> 01:02:25,155
and I was 19,

1432
01:02:25,155 --> 01:02:26,708
but I remember him well.

1433
01:02:28,917 --> 01:02:31,368
And I think now I
should lay this wreath.

1434
01:02:31,368 --> 01:02:33,888
- Well, I wanna
give you this first.

1435
01:02:35,061 --> 01:02:37,926
I managed to track
down Jack's family.

1436
01:02:37,926 --> 01:02:39,686
- You have done?
- Yeah.

1437
01:02:39,686 --> 01:02:41,205
- Crumbs!

1438
01:02:41,205 --> 01:02:43,829
- [John] I managed to track
down Les Barringer's children.

1439
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:44,657
- Have you?

1440
01:02:44,657 --> 01:02:46,176
Les is dead, is he?

1441
01:02:46,176 --> 01:02:47,902
- [John] He is, but his
children are still alive,

1442
01:02:47,902 --> 01:02:50,352
and they're very interested
in what you've been doing.

1443
01:02:50,352 --> 01:02:51,629
- Yes.

1444
01:02:51,629 --> 01:02:52,941
- And they gave me
this, it's a letter.

1445
01:02:52,941 --> 01:02:54,184
You don't have to read it now,

1446
01:02:54,184 --> 01:02:56,151
you can read it
in your own time,

1447
01:02:56,151 --> 01:03:00,500
but it's a letter
written from LCH185

1448
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:01,881
from Jack to Les,

1449
01:03:01,881 --> 01:03:04,470
about 10 days
before the sinking.

1450
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:06,713
And it talks about D Day,

1451
01:03:06,713 --> 01:03:08,854
and it talks about their
family back at home,

1452
01:03:08,854 --> 01:03:12,754
so I wanted you to have it
and read it in your own time.

1453
01:03:12,754 --> 01:03:13,651
- Crumbs.
- Yeah.

1454
01:03:15,101 --> 01:03:17,034
- Thank you.
- That's okay.

1455
01:03:18,933 --> 01:03:20,210
They wanted you-
- Marvelous.

1456
01:03:20,210 --> 01:03:22,108
- [John] The family
wanted you to have it.

1457
01:03:22,108 --> 01:03:23,869
- They did?
- Yeah.

1458
01:03:23,869 --> 01:03:25,215
- Shall we go and place this-

1459
01:03:25,215 --> 01:03:26,561
- Yes, I think we ought to.

1460
01:03:26,561 --> 01:03:28,149
- Yeah.
- Yes.

1461
01:03:28,149 --> 01:03:31,531
[light orchestral music]

1462
01:03:50,516 --> 01:03:51,862
Get your feet right.

1463
01:03:51,862 --> 01:03:54,520
[John laughing]

1464
01:03:55,521 --> 01:03:57,143
Up right!
- Up right.

1465
01:03:57,143 --> 01:03:59,697
- [Patrick] Chest out and not
bending your blasting back.

1466
01:03:59,697 --> 01:04:02,942
[John and Patrick laughing]

1467
01:04:02,942 --> 01:04:05,842
[bagpipes blaring]

1468
01:04:14,678 --> 01:04:17,750
[footsteps marching]

1469
01:04:19,234 --> 01:04:22,134
[bagpipes blaring]

1470
01:04:28,623 --> 01:04:31,005
- The first time I ever
learnt about Patrick's story

1471
01:04:31,005 --> 01:04:34,077
was stood at the grave
of Jack Barringer,

1472
01:04:34,077 --> 01:04:38,012
and that's the name that's
always been told by Patrick,

1473
01:04:38,012 --> 01:04:39,841
that's the big
part of the story.

1474
01:04:39,841 --> 01:04:41,463
And I remember saying
to him once you know,

1475
01:04:41,463 --> 01:04:43,120
"What if I could find them?"

1476
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,812
Patrick, I've got some people
you might like to meet.

1477
01:04:45,812 --> 01:04:47,918
- Yes, okay.
- I'll bring them in.

1478
01:04:47,918 --> 01:04:49,851
- I'll meet them.

1479
01:04:49,851 --> 01:04:51,025
- John?

1480
01:04:51,025 --> 01:04:52,889
- This is Jack
Barringer's family.

1481
01:04:52,889 --> 01:04:54,062
- You remember Les-
- Is it?

1482
01:04:54,062 --> 01:04:55,615
- You remember Les Barringer?

1483
01:04:55,615 --> 01:04:57,652
- Yes!
- I'm his son.

1484
01:04:57,652 --> 01:04:58,929
- Are you?

1485
01:04:58,929 --> 01:05:00,068
- Yes, and I'm very
pleased to meet you.

1486
01:05:00,068 --> 01:05:02,899
Also, John was Jack's-
- Hello, John.

1487
01:05:02,899 --> 01:05:04,141
- Jack's brother.

1488
01:05:04,141 --> 01:05:06,592
- Oh, and Jack's brother?
- Yep.

1489
01:05:06,592 --> 01:05:07,800
- What did you serve on?

1490
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,008
- Tiptoe.

1491
01:05:09,008 --> 01:05:10,907
- Oh, I remember Tiptoe!

1492
01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:12,149
[all laughing]

1493
01:05:12,149 --> 01:05:13,875
- Buckingham Palace,
they used to call it.

1494
01:05:13,875 --> 01:05:16,360
- Sorry, have we
been introduced?

1495
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,017
- No, I'm Jeff's wife.

1496
01:05:18,017 --> 01:05:19,639
- Oh, I see.
- Nice to meet you.

1497
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:20,847
It's a pleasure to meet you.

1498
01:05:20,847 --> 01:05:22,780
- Has an eye for
the ladies, you see.

1499
01:05:22,780 --> 01:05:23,850
- Yes, he does.

1500
01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:25,956
[all laughing]

1501
01:05:25,956 --> 01:05:28,648
- Well, this is a
pleasant surprise.

1502
01:05:28,648 --> 01:05:30,167
- Jack's bro...

1503
01:05:30,167 --> 01:05:31,651
- Yep.
- Brother?

1504
01:05:31,651 --> 01:05:33,550
- Jack was the eldest.
- Oh, Jack was the eldest.

1505
01:05:33,550 --> 01:05:35,345
- George was next.
- George.

1506
01:05:35,345 --> 01:05:36,863
- Les, Keith.
- Yes.

1507
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:39,245
And then me.

1508
01:05:39,245 --> 01:05:40,453
- And then you.

1509
01:05:40,453 --> 01:05:42,455
I always went to Ranville.
- Yes.

1510
01:05:42,455 --> 01:05:47,081
- And I always laid
something on Jack's grave.

1511
01:05:47,081 --> 01:05:49,221
- We saw, we were
there this morning,

1512
01:05:49,221 --> 01:05:51,257
and we saw your tribute-

1513
01:05:51,257 --> 01:05:52,362
- That's right.
- This morning, at the grave.

1514
01:05:52,362 --> 01:05:54,295
Yes, thank you.

1515
01:05:54,295 --> 01:05:55,952
- So how old were
you at the time?

1516
01:05:55,952 --> 01:05:57,091
- 19.

1517
01:05:57,091 --> 01:05:58,092
- Wow, yes.

1518
01:05:58,092 --> 01:05:59,886
19, so young.

1519
01:05:59,886 --> 01:06:01,336
- Green as they come.

1520
01:06:01,336 --> 01:06:03,787
I tell you what, I
grew up very quickly.

1521
01:06:03,787 --> 01:06:04,891
- [laughs] I bet you did.

1522
01:06:04,891 --> 01:06:06,617
- After that.

1523
01:06:06,617 --> 01:06:09,068
- There was a moment
where Patrick turned
to me in Ranville,

1524
01:06:09,068 --> 01:06:11,691
at the end of the dive trip.

1525
01:06:12,554 --> 01:06:13,659
And he said to me,

1526
01:06:15,178 --> 01:06:18,146
185 for him has always
been a sad story.

1527
01:06:18,146 --> 01:06:19,389
He said, and now
it's a happy thing,

1528
01:06:19,389 --> 01:06:21,908
because I know that people know

1529
01:06:21,908 --> 01:06:24,532
that I'm here telling
the story, as in Patrick.

1530
01:06:24,532 --> 01:06:27,880
And Patrick knows that these
families haven't forgotten,

1531
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,295
and he never knew that.

1532
01:06:29,295 --> 01:06:30,503
And so, if one good
thing's come out of this

1533
01:06:30,503 --> 01:06:32,057
other than the memorial,

1534
01:06:32,057 --> 01:06:36,199
it's been Patrick knowing that
these families never forgot.

1535
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:38,028
Which I think had been lost,

1536
01:06:38,028 --> 01:06:39,581
and would never have been found

1537
01:06:39,581 --> 01:06:42,895
if we hadn't have
promised him we'd find it.

1538
01:06:42,895 --> 01:06:45,794
[bagpipes blaring]

1539
01:06:51,697 --> 01:06:54,631
[crowd chattering]

1540
01:07:02,018 --> 01:07:04,951
[bagpipes blaring]

1541
01:07:13,822 --> 01:07:17,205
[Mayor speaks in French]

1542
01:07:40,297 --> 01:07:41,333
- Bonjour, le Maire.

1543
01:07:42,541 --> 01:07:43,818
My thanks to you for
your moving words,

1544
01:07:43,818 --> 01:07:46,200
and for hosting this
special event today.

1545
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:47,718
The list of
casualties totals 34,

1546
01:07:47,718 --> 01:07:50,135
but it is likely much higher.

1547
01:07:50,135 --> 01:07:53,241
Just a handful, less than
10, survived that day,

1548
01:07:53,241 --> 01:07:56,037
and now 74 years later,
only one remains.

1549
01:07:56,037 --> 01:07:58,004
My friend, Patrick Thomas.

1550
01:07:58,004 --> 01:08:00,248
Of all the men that lost
their lives that day,

1551
01:08:00,248 --> 01:08:02,492
only four were ever
given a burial.

1552
01:08:02,492 --> 01:08:04,494
The rest were lost to the sea.

1553
01:08:04,494 --> 01:08:05,909
Now with this memorial,

1554
01:08:05,909 --> 01:08:07,669
the crew will be
remembered forever.

1555
01:08:09,085 --> 01:08:10,016
- Bonjour, le Maire.

1556
01:08:10,016 --> 01:08:12,260
My grateful thanks for your help

1557
01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:15,953
in providing locating the
prints at Lion-sur-Mer

1558
01:08:15,953 --> 01:08:20,924
for the the memorial dedicated
to those lost on LCH185,

1559
01:08:22,650 --> 01:08:25,618
on the 25th of June, 1944.

1560
01:08:27,172 --> 01:08:30,071
I was fortunate
to have survived.

1561
01:08:30,071 --> 01:08:32,763
185 was my home,

1562
01:08:32,763 --> 01:08:35,835
and my shipmates my family.

1563
01:08:35,835 --> 01:08:39,494
I am proud and honored
to unveil the monument

1564
01:08:39,494 --> 01:08:40,288
commemorating

1565
01:08:41,358 --> 01:08:43,878
the tragic loss of 185,

1566
01:08:43,878 --> 01:08:47,537
and all who lost their
lives aboard her.

1567
01:08:47,537 --> 01:08:51,196
My grateful thanks
to all who are here

1568
01:08:51,196 --> 01:08:53,405
to witness the dedication.

1569
01:08:53,405 --> 01:08:56,994
My shipmates will be
remembered for all time

1570
01:08:56,994 --> 01:08:59,031
by the memorial.

1571
01:08:59,031 --> 01:09:03,587
"There are no roses
on sailor's graves,

1572
01:09:03,587 --> 01:09:06,832
nor wreaths upon the
storm tossed waves.

1573
01:09:07,971 --> 01:09:12,355
No heartbroken words
carved in stone,

1574
01:09:12,355 --> 01:09:14,978
just shipmates
lying there alone.

1575
01:09:16,393 --> 01:09:19,776
The only tributes are
the seagulls sweeps,

1576
01:09:20,984 --> 01:09:23,918
and the teardrops when
a loved one weeps."

1577
01:09:25,678 --> 01:09:27,818
Rest in peace

1578
01:09:27,818 --> 01:09:31,684
all those shipmates who
have no other grave,

1579
01:09:31,684 --> 01:09:33,755
than the sea off Normandy.

1580
01:09:35,205 --> 01:09:36,241
Rest quietly.

1581
01:09:37,345 --> 01:09:39,036
You are not forgotten.

1582
01:09:40,072 --> 01:09:42,799
[crowd applauds]

1583
01:09:49,392 --> 01:09:52,360
- [Soldier] Right,
right, attention!

1584
01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:03,199
[audience applauds]

1585
01:10:08,238 --> 01:10:12,622
♪ Eternal Father

1586
01:10:12,622 --> 01:10:15,935
♪ Strong to save

1587
01:10:15,935 --> 01:10:19,870
♪ Whose arm doth bind

1588
01:10:19,870 --> 01:10:24,875
♪ The restless wave

1589
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:29,777
♪ Who bids the mighty

1590
01:10:29,777 --> 01:10:32,642
♪ Oceans deep

1591
01:10:32,642 --> 01:10:37,198
♪ Its own appointed

1592
01:10:37,198 --> 01:10:39,683
♪ Limits keep

1593
01:10:41,133 --> 01:10:43,722
[audience applauds]

1594
01:10:43,722 --> 01:10:46,656
[bagpipes blaring]

1595
01:10:48,830 --> 01:10:51,833
[audience applauds]

1596
01:10:52,869 --> 01:10:54,733
- Thank you all, thank you.

1597
01:10:54,733 --> 01:10:57,356
Thank you for coming, thank you.

1598
01:11:00,325 --> 01:11:01,878
Lovely, thank you.

1599
01:11:02,913 --> 01:11:04,708
My lord.

1600
01:11:04,708 --> 01:11:08,540
To think that my name
is now in France,

1601
01:11:08,540 --> 01:11:11,750
safely in the hands
Monsieur le Maire.

1602
01:11:13,545 --> 01:11:15,029
It was that way, was it?

1603
01:11:15,029 --> 01:11:17,273
- Just off, slightly off.
- Just off that way.

1604
01:11:17,273 --> 01:11:19,136
- There.
- That way.

1605
01:11:19,136 --> 01:11:20,379
Oh, I see.

1606
01:11:20,379 --> 01:11:23,658
And people can see it
when I'm long gone,

1607
01:11:25,177 --> 01:11:28,801
and the memorial will be
there when I'm long gone.

1608
01:11:30,286 --> 01:11:31,148
That's marvelous.

1609
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,808
[uplifting orchestral music]

1610
01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:51,099
- [Alison] Lovely
to see you again.

1611
01:11:51,099 --> 01:11:52,549
- It's flown by,

1612
01:11:52,549 --> 01:11:53,378
the last few weeks.
- It has!

1613
01:11:53,378 --> 01:11:54,310
- Good to see you again.

1614
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:55,483
- Yeah, nice to see you again.

1615
01:11:55,483 --> 01:11:57,140
- Good to see you.
- Good to see you again.

1616
01:11:57,140 --> 01:11:58,314
We're all back together, eh?

1617
01:11:58,314 --> 01:11:59,245
Isn't this great.

1618
01:11:59,245 --> 01:12:00,868
- So the details measurements

1619
01:12:00,868 --> 01:12:03,353
that Doug and Jim

1620
01:12:03,353 --> 01:12:06,183
took of the framework
in particular,

1621
01:12:07,461 --> 01:12:10,464
are probably one
of the one things

1622
01:12:10,464 --> 01:12:12,155
that's going to
give us the answer.

1623
01:12:12,155 --> 01:12:12,983
- [John] Yeah.

1624
01:12:12,983 --> 01:12:14,537
- The width was 7.95.

1625
01:12:15,572 --> 01:12:16,746
And

1626
01:12:16,746 --> 01:12:18,195
from that

1627
01:12:18,195 --> 01:12:19,680
video,

1628
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,994
we saw that there was evidence
of an extra width to it,

1629
01:12:23,994 --> 01:12:27,343
so it could have been
even wider than the 7.95.

1630
01:12:28,516 --> 01:12:31,450
The rest of what we
are gonna look at now,

1631
01:12:31,450 --> 01:12:32,278
is

1632
01:12:33,210 --> 01:12:35,212
reinforcing the fact

1633
01:12:35,212 --> 01:12:38,250
that this is probably
not Patrick's ship.

1634
01:12:38,250 --> 01:12:42,358
[light orchestral music]

1635
01:12:42,358 --> 01:12:44,601
- The second they told me the
measurements, I thought...

1636
01:12:44,601 --> 01:12:47,224
I mean, it was obvious
it wasn't gonna be 185,

1637
01:12:47,224 --> 01:12:50,780
'cause when we were in
France on the expedition,

1638
01:12:50,780 --> 01:12:54,162
it started to seem like the
measurements weren't adding up.

1639
01:12:54,162 --> 01:12:56,130
And you know, an archeology
measurements are everything.

1640
01:12:56,130 --> 01:12:58,477
And the width of it was wider

1641
01:12:58,477 --> 01:12:59,892
than 185

1642
01:12:59,892 --> 01:13:01,446
was,

1643
01:13:01,446 --> 01:13:03,586
and things can be smaller
on the bottom of the ocean,

1644
01:13:03,586 --> 01:13:05,070
because they can
degrade and fall apart,

1645
01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:06,416
but things can't be bigger.

1646
01:13:07,452 --> 01:13:10,282
- A landing craft 4

1647
01:13:10,282 --> 01:13:12,664
had four sections in the middle,

1648
01:13:14,976 --> 01:13:17,979
and then two on the outside.

1649
01:13:17,979 --> 01:13:20,534
The measurement across
here, these four,

1650
01:13:22,087 --> 01:13:22,881
is

1651
01:13:22,881 --> 01:13:24,469
pretty much

1652
01:13:24,469 --> 01:13:25,262
7.95.

1653
01:13:26,678 --> 01:13:29,301
- I have to say, I was
quite 50/50 in Normandy.

1654
01:13:29,301 --> 01:13:31,855
I thought that the
winch arrangements

1655
01:13:31,855 --> 01:13:33,857
could well have been part of it,

1656
01:13:33,857 --> 01:13:36,619
but in real conclusion,

1657
01:13:36,619 --> 01:13:40,243
you know, the measurements on
the frame just don't add up.

1658
01:13:40,243 --> 01:13:43,211
- You don't really
get surprised,

1659
01:13:43,211 --> 01:13:45,421
until you know the
entire picture.

1660
01:13:45,421 --> 01:13:47,008
Working in maritime archeology,

1661
01:13:47,008 --> 01:13:50,149
you have to
appreciate the chances

1662
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:52,393
of identifying a
wreck conclusively,

1663
01:13:52,393 --> 01:13:54,084
are always going to be slim.

1664
01:13:54,084 --> 01:13:58,364
And just because a wreck matches
the details that you know

1665
01:13:58,364 --> 01:13:59,607
from the historical record,

1666
01:13:59,607 --> 01:14:01,609
doesn't meant that
it's definitely it.

1667
01:14:01,609 --> 01:14:04,888
Normandy was a very busy
place in the summer of 1944,

1668
01:14:04,888 --> 01:14:06,752
numerous vessels were lost.

1669
01:14:06,752 --> 01:14:08,547
- And the other thing we noticed

1670
01:14:08,547 --> 01:14:11,654
was that landing craft infantry,

1671
01:14:11,654 --> 01:14:12,896
or landing craft headquarters,

1672
01:14:12,896 --> 01:14:16,452
didn't have ladders
into that bottom area.

1673
01:14:16,452 --> 01:14:19,696
They did have them on
the landing craft guns.

1674
01:14:19,696 --> 01:14:23,010
It could be one of three
landing craft guns,

1675
01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:25,564
but we have at least got
some photographs of it.

1676
01:14:25,564 --> 01:14:27,117
- Oh yeah, that's amazing.

1677
01:14:27,117 --> 01:14:29,603
That was amazing, and you
guys have worked so hard.

1678
01:14:29,603 --> 01:14:32,537
I mean, I'm totally blow
away by the level of detail

1679
01:14:32,537 --> 01:14:34,884
you've put into
proving that it's not.

1680
01:14:34,884 --> 01:14:36,782
And like I said,

1681
01:14:36,782 --> 01:14:39,371
it's one more rock you've
looked under, right?

1682
01:14:39,371 --> 01:14:43,237
I mean, so it's one
more thing to knock off

1683
01:14:43,237 --> 01:14:44,687
that it's not LCH.

1684
01:14:45,653 --> 01:14:46,930
We've identified
a landing craft,

1685
01:14:46,930 --> 01:14:47,966
and it was someone's home,

1686
01:14:47,966 --> 01:14:49,381
and it was someone's boat,

1687
01:14:49,381 --> 01:14:51,038
and it was someone's story.

1688
01:14:51,038 --> 01:14:52,488
And there's people out there

1689
01:14:52,488 --> 01:14:53,799
who's family members
served on it.

1690
01:14:53,799 --> 01:14:54,731
There's probably
people out there

1691
01:14:54,731 --> 01:14:56,906
who's family members died on it.

1692
01:14:56,906 --> 01:14:59,046
And it's another
part of bring closure

1693
01:14:59,046 --> 01:15:01,324
to these forgotten
stories, you know?

1694
01:15:01,324 --> 01:15:03,913
- There is still another
wreck here to identify,

1695
01:15:03,913 --> 01:15:06,881
and that's another interesting
piece of research in itself.

1696
01:15:06,881 --> 01:15:09,815
This is has its own story,
this had its own crew,

1697
01:15:09,815 --> 01:15:11,990
and this is another
story just as valuable,

1698
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:13,405
and equally worth telling.

1699
01:15:13,405 --> 01:15:15,821
- Well there is a ray of hope,

1700
01:15:15,821 --> 01:15:19,722
in that we're out to
Normandy again in July.

1701
01:15:19,722 --> 01:15:22,966
We have permission to
dive a number of wrecks,

1702
01:15:22,966 --> 01:15:26,625
but one of the sites we
have asked to look at,

1703
01:15:27,730 --> 01:15:30,871
is labeled as the Lord Austin,

1704
01:15:30,871 --> 01:15:31,699
which was

1705
01:15:32,597 --> 01:15:34,288
a trawler.

1706
01:15:34,288 --> 01:15:38,706
But the multi-beam looks
like it's a landing craft,

1707
01:15:38,706 --> 01:15:42,089
so it may well be
wrongly identified.

1708
01:15:42,089 --> 01:15:44,643
And who knows, it
may well be that.

1709
01:15:44,643 --> 01:15:46,231
- You'll have to let me know.
- We just keep going.

1710
01:15:46,231 --> 01:15:48,371
- [laughs] Keep climbing on.

1711
01:15:48,371 --> 01:15:50,166
- We just keep going.

1712
01:15:50,166 --> 01:15:52,686
You can't argue with the facts,

1713
01:15:52,686 --> 01:15:55,620
and you're in danger of
coming away disappointed,

1714
01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:57,932
when actually you
have succeeded.

1715
01:15:57,932 --> 01:16:02,558
We've succeeded in identifying
this as a landing craft gun.

1716
01:16:02,558 --> 01:16:05,526
Yes, it's not LCH185,

1717
01:16:05,526 --> 01:16:08,909
but at least now it is known,

1718
01:16:08,909 --> 01:16:10,842
and we can move
onto the next one,

1719
01:16:10,842 --> 01:16:12,568
and find the next
one, and the next one.

1720
01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:15,916
- I think Patrick
probably should know,

1721
01:16:17,296 --> 01:16:18,643
right or wrong,

1722
01:16:18,643 --> 01:16:20,403
whether we've done it or not,

1723
01:16:20,403 --> 01:16:21,231
but

1724
01:16:22,888 --> 01:16:24,096
I don't know.

1725
01:16:24,096 --> 01:16:27,859
Having gone through the
process of you know,

1726
01:16:27,859 --> 01:16:31,690
paying your respects
to your comrades fallen

1727
01:16:31,690 --> 01:16:33,968
that have already
been there, then...

1728
01:16:36,695 --> 01:16:38,110
I don't know, it's difficult.

1729
01:16:39,629 --> 01:16:42,114
- I think I probably would

1730
01:16:43,771 --> 01:16:44,772
want to know,

1731
01:16:48,742 --> 01:16:49,881
but

1732
01:16:49,881 --> 01:16:51,676
it's a tough call, I think.

1733
01:17:10,487 --> 01:17:12,524
- Here we are again.

1734
01:17:12,524 --> 01:17:15,872
I've gotta tell you
something, basically.

1735
01:17:15,872 --> 01:17:18,219
I've got some news for you.
- Yes?

1736
01:17:19,807 --> 01:17:21,947
- When we did the
dive on the wreck,

1737
01:17:23,293 --> 01:17:27,056
we thought, we weren't
sure what wreck it was.

1738
01:17:28,747 --> 01:17:32,475
And there was always
a possibility that
it might not be 185,

1739
01:17:32,475 --> 01:17:35,167
or that we wouldn't
be able to tell.

1740
01:17:35,167 --> 01:17:37,653
And when the dive team
did all the measurements,

1741
01:17:37,653 --> 01:17:39,447
and all that sort of stuff.
- Yes.

1742
01:17:39,447 --> 01:17:43,037
- It turns out that it was
actually a landing craft gun,

1743
01:17:43,037 --> 01:17:44,452
rather than an LCH,

1744
01:17:46,972 --> 01:17:48,491
and it came as a big surprise.

1745
01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:53,185
We still discovered
this landing craft gun

1746
01:17:53,185 --> 01:17:54,704
which had its own story,

1747
01:17:54,704 --> 01:17:57,811
and that had sailors lose
their lives on it as well.

1748
01:17:57,811 --> 01:18:00,917
So it was someone's wreck,
it was someone's story,

1749
01:18:00,917 --> 01:18:02,781
but it wasn't 185's.

1750
01:18:02,781 --> 01:18:04,576
We don't know where it is.

1751
01:18:04,576 --> 01:18:06,060
- Oh!

1752
01:18:06,060 --> 01:18:09,857
- And that probably means that
185 hasn't been disturbed.

1753
01:18:10,789 --> 01:18:12,998
- The sea is never still.

1754
01:18:12,998 --> 01:18:14,241
And of course,

1755
01:18:14,241 --> 01:18:16,622
everything's shifting
all the time,

1756
01:18:16,622 --> 01:18:19,142
and the sand drifts over things.

1757
01:18:20,316 --> 01:18:21,524
And so eventually you know,

1758
01:18:21,524 --> 01:18:25,321
it'll be a war grave
and they're undisturbed.

1759
01:18:25,321 --> 01:18:29,705
That ship at that particular
time is your home, was my home.

1760
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:34,330
And of course, the crew
are part of your family.

1761
01:18:34,330 --> 01:18:35,849
- Yeah.

1762
01:18:35,849 --> 01:18:39,197
- But I always thought that
people are not interested,

1763
01:18:39,197 --> 01:18:43,201
it's in the past, it's ancient
history to a lot of people.

1764
01:18:44,512 --> 01:18:46,204
But it's still very vivid to me.

1765
01:18:46,204 --> 01:18:48,862
Never, ever thought
it would happen to me,

1766
01:18:48,862 --> 01:18:50,587
but it's through your efforts.

1767
01:18:50,587 --> 01:18:52,106
It's through meeting you.

1768
01:18:52,106 --> 01:18:54,937
- Just 'cause I had nowhere
to stay in France, did I?

1769
01:18:54,937 --> 01:18:56,145
- Oh, that's right.

1770
01:18:56,145 --> 01:18:58,906
- It wasn't just me that
pulled all this off,

1771
01:18:58,906 --> 01:19:02,530
there was obviously you
know, the dive team.

1772
01:19:02,530 --> 01:19:04,532
There was the lifeboat crew.
- Yes.

1773
01:19:04,532 --> 01:19:06,396
- There was the historians.

1774
01:19:06,396 --> 01:19:08,364
There was the Mayor.

1775
01:19:08,364 --> 01:19:10,780
There was all the
people of Lion.

1776
01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:12,299
I just feel really grateful

1777
01:19:12,299 --> 01:19:14,784
that you've given me the
chance to tell this story

1778
01:19:14,784 --> 01:19:16,682
to so many people,

1779
01:19:16,682 --> 01:19:19,409
because I think it's
touched a lot of people.

1780
01:19:19,409 --> 01:19:21,757
And it's really brought
to light you know,

1781
01:19:21,757 --> 01:19:23,862
what you did, and
what your friends did.

1782
01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:28,453
And without you allowing
me to tell that story,

1783
01:19:28,453 --> 01:19:31,421
but I couldn't have done
it without you, Pat.

1784
01:19:31,421 --> 01:19:33,320
- And I couldn't have
done it without you!

1785
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:34,666
[John laughing]

1786
01:19:34,666 --> 01:19:36,392
'Cause you know my
last words were,

1787
01:19:39,429 --> 01:19:40,776
rest in peace

1788
01:19:42,122 --> 01:19:44,296
all those that
have no other grave

1789
01:19:44,296 --> 01:19:46,471
but the sea in Normandy.

1790
01:19:48,749 --> 01:19:51,717
Somebody said to me,
I'm living history.

1791
01:19:51,717 --> 01:19:54,790
See I'm not old, I'm ancient.

1792
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:56,377
[John laughing]

1793
01:19:56,377 --> 01:19:57,862
So, there you are.

1794
01:19:59,104 --> 01:20:01,658
Over all these years of course,

1795
01:20:03,246 --> 01:20:04,765
I've never given a thought

1796
01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:06,871
about 185.

1797
01:20:09,252 --> 01:20:10,322
It wasn't until

1798
01:20:11,220 --> 01:20:14,188
I came to Normandy in 2013,

1799
01:20:14,188 --> 01:20:16,950
to see Jack Barringer's grave.

1800
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:21,920
And having visited that,
it resurrected memories.

1801
01:20:22,818 --> 01:20:24,820
You can't live in the past,

1802
01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:26,235
but I like history

1803
01:20:27,408 --> 01:20:29,790
because it's quite simple.

1804
01:20:29,790 --> 01:20:32,413
People learn from history.

1805
01:20:32,413 --> 01:20:34,899
There are other
stories to be told

1806
01:20:36,935 --> 01:20:38,972
on land, sea and air,

1807
01:20:40,387 --> 01:20:43,045
and probably many that
will never be told.

1808
01:20:44,184 --> 01:20:45,910
Well, this memorial

1809
01:20:47,290 --> 01:20:49,327
is a memorial

1810
01:20:49,327 --> 01:20:51,329
for a particular ship,

1811
01:20:52,882 --> 01:20:54,642
not generalizing.

1812
01:20:55,851 --> 01:20:57,231
It was one

1813
01:20:57,231 --> 01:21:00,200
for LCH185,

1814
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:01,718
one ship

1815
01:21:01,718 --> 01:21:02,927
and its crew.

1816
01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:04,998
And as I said

1817
01:21:06,068 --> 01:21:07,138
in my speech,

1818
01:21:08,208 --> 01:21:10,762
that the crew were my family.

1819
01:21:12,937 --> 01:21:15,732
I mean, I've gazed
on memorials before.

1820
01:21:19,115 --> 01:21:21,842
I can only say it's
an emotional moment.

1821
01:21:22,912 --> 01:21:24,362
Once in a while,

1822
01:21:25,673 --> 01:21:27,434
your thoughts can go back,

1823
01:21:29,608 --> 01:21:31,438
and mine went back
all those years.

1824
01:21:34,406 --> 01:21:35,718
I saw the sea,

1825
01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:38,065
an empty sea.

1826
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:41,655
But when I was here,

1827
01:21:42,483 --> 01:21:44,071
that sea

1828
01:21:44,071 --> 01:21:45,452
was full of ships

1829
01:21:46,660 --> 01:21:48,248
and landing craft.

1830
01:21:56,152 --> 01:21:58,948
[waves splashing]

1831
01:22:01,226 --> 01:22:04,781
[mellow orchestral music]