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You are not welcome.

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I want you to go.

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Help me, help me, please.

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Across the UK...

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Woah.
What the..?

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Did you hear that?
Oh my God!

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..terrified homeowners
are being plagued by the paranormal.

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I can see you.

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I am scared to death.

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I need to know, am I safe?

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Thankfully,
there are three people...

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What was that?
I've got goosebumps.

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No, I'm not going to get out.

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Oh my God, Ian, don't leave me.

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..who will stop at nothing...

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Someone's behind me.

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Who's here with us?

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Ahh!
What the hell was that?

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..to return our homes...

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Can you just take the emotion
away from Jayne, please?

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Two spirit forms.

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Barri, you're scaring me.
Right next to you.

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..back to the land of the living.

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This is like
a horror movie, isn't it?

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Guys, I feel quite relaxed,
surprisingly, about today.

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Do you?
Mmm.

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I always worry
about a false sense of security

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when we feel OK going to a place,
'cause you never know, do you?

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In this investigation...

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What the shit's that coming from?

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Where's that coming from?
It's coming out of their speaker.

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Oh my God.
Where?

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..a woman terrified
of her own home...

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A voice shouted back at me, "Stop!"

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..tales of mysterious footprints...

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We came back that afternoon

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and there was a little child's
footprint in there.

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Wow!

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..and menacing footsteps.

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Is anyone there?

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Oh my God,
there's nobody on the stairs.

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Emotions run high for the team...

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Ah!
There you go.

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Oh no!
There you go.

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..as they get a picture of the past.

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Oh! Oh my God!

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When there's loads of history,
Ian, is that harder for you,

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or is it easier
to kind of connect with spirit?

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I think it's harder, Barri,
because there's going to be

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so many things
coming through at once,

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and it kind of,
like, overloads my mind.

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Although Barri and Jayne
have seen case notes,

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medium Ian relies solely
on his psychic abilities.

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I am sensing a man.

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I do feel that we'll be greeted
with a gentleman there.

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I just see him stood
in this massive room.

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Our experts have been called in
to investigate

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this 15th century property,

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which is home
to Jill and partner Steve.

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I just want to know who's here
in this property.

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They have got to stop scaring me.

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It is getting beyond a joke now.

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We have lived here
for almost two years now.

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After we moved in,
we spoke to our neighbours

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who then informed us
that the property was very haunted.

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This really scared me.

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After a few months of living here,

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we started to hear footsteps
at night,

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as we were sleeping in bed,
like they're coming up the stairs,

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and you almost expected to see
somebody walk into the room.

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And Steve would be, "Oh no,
it's an old house, you know,

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"you're gonna get
creaks and groans,"

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but Steve would go back to sleep

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and I'd lie there
all night awake, petrified.

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Our smart speaker decided to play

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'Ring a Ring o' Roses'
at two o'clock in the morning.

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That absolutely
freaked the life out of me.

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It was like something
out of a horror film.

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The speaker,
over the next few months,

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kept playing 'Ring o' Roses'

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and another very strange
folky, sort of mystical song,

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again, that we'd never asked
the speaker to play, ever.

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One night I got up,
stood at the top of the stairs

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and said, "Stop," and a voice
shouted back at me, "Stop!"

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I was petrified.

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Some nights I literally feel
like I'm going mad,

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because I can hear whispering.

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I literally was sat
in the front room watching TV

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the other night

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and something touched me
on the back of my head.

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Now I'm starting to think,

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"Well, this, whatever it is here,
is actually getting physical now,"

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and it's got to the point
where I am actually quite fearful.

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I really want the team to clarify
that there is something there,

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and prove to Steve that
what I'm saying is believable.

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Steve says he won't believe
in any paranormal activity

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until he actually
sees a spirit in full,

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but I feel like we've had
so much evidence,

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how can you not believe
that this house isn't haunted?

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Right, this is it.
Oh, that's it.

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This?

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This is the property here.

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While Barri and Jayne head off
to research further into the case,

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Ian's going to see what
and who he can psychically pick up.

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Hello?

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It's really, really funny,
because I am drawn to my left,

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and I was aware of a gentleman
on my journey here to this house,

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now, he's showing me
this big space,

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this open space, so I'm wondering
if the middle part of this house

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was potentially a hall
or a bigger area than this.

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Maldon dates back
to the 10th century,

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and I've come to quite
an unusual location

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to find out more from former mayor
and author Stephen Nunn.

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Stephen, thank you for meeting me.

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Why are we meeting in court,
first of all?

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Well, we're here because
this is one of the town's

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most important historical buildings,
and it was built in 1420

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as a private house,

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and then in the 16th century,
this became the town hall.

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Well, you know the building
that we're interested in, Stephen,

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and you know
a little bit about it, don't you?

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What can you tell me?

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So it's a Grade II listed building.

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Originally, it was part
of a much larger building,

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a 15th, 16th century hall.

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So in the middle was an open hall,

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and then you had
two wings either side,

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and the property
that you're looking at

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was one of those wings,

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and the wing was probably
sleeping accommodation.

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In the 19th century,
the building was re-fronted

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and it was divided
into three properties,

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and we know about
some of the families

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that were in those three properties
in the 19th century.

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We've got a coach builder,

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we've got a grocer,
we've got widows,

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all sorts of different characters

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that make up the story
of the building.

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Where's that clock coming from?

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That's really, really strange.

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There is a clock
in this little hallway,

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but it's, I can't hear it now,

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but when I was sat down,
it was really clear.

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It's almost as if this man I see...

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Time must have been
important to him.

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And I see him
working with his hands.

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So was he a woodworker,
or did he build something?

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Hello?

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Guys, did you hear that?

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Did you hear..?
I could hear a child's voice.

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Hello?

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There were clearly a child's voice,

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but it definitely
came from upstairs.

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To get a better understanding
of the problem,

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I'm meeting Jill's partner Steve,
who also lives in the property.

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So, this might be a silly question,

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but do you believe
in spirits, ghosts?

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I don't really believe
in ghosts myself,

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but since we've been there,

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there's some
strange things happening.

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Can you tell me
what's been going on?

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We went out a little while ago
and, um, I took my keys with me,

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came home,
put them on the table.

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Couldn't find them anywhere.

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We looked in the drawers,
jacket pockets, everywhere.

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Went out, got another key cut.

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Came back home, they were
sitting on the kitchen floor.

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And you'd looked there?

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Yeah, looked there.
I mean, you couldn't miss them.

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It was just
in the centre of the floor.

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I personally think it's a child,
because when we first moved in,

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on the second floor,
there's a step up

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that goes into the bathroom.
Right.

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And I was painting it,
once we moved in,

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and we came back
that afternoon,

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and there was
a footprint of a child,

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a little child's footprint in there.

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How big is it?

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Oh, just like a three
or four-year-old's.

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Wow.

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Hello? Who's here?

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I think it's a girl,
a little girl.

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This child feels really sad.

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There's a lot
of emotion coming from her.

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Now, there's something weird
about that bathroom to my right.

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It feels really cold.

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There's a coldness
coming from there,

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and I just feel this little girl
would walk into this room

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and into that bathroom there.

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But I do hear
more than one child here.

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It was interesting
to learn from Stephen

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about some of the former residents
of the building,

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so I've decided to do
some further research.

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So I've been looking
into the families

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that lived at the property,
and these census records

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are intriguing, because roughly,
every 10 years,

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there are different families
in that house, until we get to 1891.

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Now we see a Lucy Evans
living there at that time.

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She's a widow and she lives there
with her sister and two children,

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Bessie Evans,
who was 11 at the time,

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and Arthur, who was nine.

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They lived there for t20 years,
so Lucy actually lived in the house

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longer than anyone else
in its history.

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Hello? I'm calling out
to the little girl.

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I can actually hear
'Ring a Ring o' Roses.'

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Now, is it this little girl

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just having a bit of fun
with a nursery rhyme?

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So I'm slightly confused,
because this little girl,

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if it is the same girl,

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was quite sad
and emotional downstairs,

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but then upstairs,
there's a nursery rhyme,

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'Ring a Ring o' Roses,'
so is she happy?

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I don't understand.

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Ah, OK.
It kind of makes sense

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that we're in, actually, what looks
like a little girl's bedroom.

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I wonder if this little spirit girl
has got a connection,

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or she's drawn because
there's another little girl upstairs.

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I'm hearing the name Lucy.

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We hear footsteps in the night,
which just sounds so real,

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and they're just
coming into our bedroom.

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That is a little bit more,
a bit frightening,

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but it's Jill
who worries about it more,

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and, um, you know, she's the one
who can't sleep at night.

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She's awake, you know,
three or four hours a night

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worrying what's happening.

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And, um, my parents are elderly,

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if I ever have to go
and see my parents or anything

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and I have the night away,

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I know Jill
wouldn't stay there on her own.

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She'd be scared to stay there.

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So we need to fix this, don't we?

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Something needs to be sorted,
yes, yeah, definitely.

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I think Steve should join us
for spirit triggers this evening,

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so we head back to the house
with Jayne and Jill.

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Ian?

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Guys.
Ian.

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Hello, mate. Hi, how are you?

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Yeah, good.

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Hi. Hello.

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Hello, hi, nice to meet you.
Hello. Hi, lovely to meet you.

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Hi. Hello. And you, and you.

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Well, you've got a haunted house.
I need to say that.

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There's a man in this house,
and he worked with his hands.

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Wow.

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But also there was a child
running around the property,

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and I did see a spirit
of a young girl.

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OK.

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Well, why don't we make a start,
and call out

249
00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,280
and see if this male spirit
will communicate with us?

250
00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:05,680
Yeah.
OK, cool.

251
00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,080
I'd like to speak to the male spirit
that's here in this building.

252
00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,440
Can you please tell us your name?

253
00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,760
Do you have a message for us?

254
00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,600
I heard something then.
Thank you. End recording.

255
00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,080
I heard a voice.

256
00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,120
Let's play this back
and see if we've got any responses.

257
00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,800
Do you have a message for us?

258
00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,680
"Here." It says "here."

259
00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:34,920
Does it?

260
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,160
"Here", or "I'm here"?

261
00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,040
It sounds like a child.
It doesn't sound like a man.

262
00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:43,880
Here. Here.

263
00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,120
It says "here."

264
00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,400
And do you know what?

265
00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,280
That sounds quite electronic,
almost ethereal, doesn't it?

266
00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,720
It does.
It's weird.

267
00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,040
It does.

268
00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,240
Wow.

269
00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,800
We've had a lot of activity
through our sound machine.

270
00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,000
Speakers, yeah.

271
00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,920
A speaker, yeah. Um, so we have...

272
00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,080
It just turns on
at night, doesn't it?

273
00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,520
And we just...

274
00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:02,840
We have 'Ring a Ring o' Roses' play.
No way!

275
00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,200
Yeah.

276
00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,960
On my walkaround,
I could hear 'Ring a Ring o' Roses,'

277
00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,360
but this girl was singing it,

278
00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,240
and she gave me the name of Lucy.

279
00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,280
When your smart speaker
plays by itself,

280
00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,440
is it always children's music
and nursery rhymes?

281
00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,120
It is generally
'Ring a Ring o' Roses,'

282
00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,320
and we do have a bit
like folk music, old folk music.

283
00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,680
Has anybody ever reported
the street being haunted?

284
00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,240
So...

285
00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,440
The only reason I'm saying that
is that when we were doing the EVP,

286
00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,280
I didn't want to interrupt
and I wasn't going to say anything,

287
00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,360
but I saw a horse and carriage
just go past really slow.

288
00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,320
Wow.
So we...

289
00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,960
Do you guys know
anything about that?

290
00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,960
We were told that a gentleman
called James Harvey lived here,

291
00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,640
and he was
a stagecoach maker.

292
00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,240
He was a coach maker, wasn't he?
Yeah, yeah.

293
00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,080
Well, actually, I've got...

294
00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,960
Wow, that's interesting.
..all of the names.

295
00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:49,760
So I've got all of the names
from the census record,

296
00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,880
so we do know everyone
who lived here.

297
00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,360
Now, the first census,
1861, does have a James Harvey.

298
00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,240
He was 30 at the time.

299
00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,160
He was a coach builder, yeah,
for a horse, a carriage builder.

300
00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,480
Wow.

301
00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:03,840
So, let's call out for James Harvey.

302
00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:04,960
OK.

303
00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,320
Let's see if the male spirit is him.

304
00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,560
I'm calling out to James.

305
00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,520
James Harvey, are you the gentleman
I saw on my walkaround?

306
00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,200
That's a whispered breath response.

307
00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,880
Let's play this back,
see what we got.

308
00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,080
Mmm, let's see.

309
00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,680
Are you the gentleman
I saw on my walkaround?

310
00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,560
Yeah.

311
00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:28,880
I can hear the "sss."

312
00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,240
I could hear "yes."
Yes, yes.

313
00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,080
I can, I just feel
there's something near the stairs,

314
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,800
halfway up the stairs.

315
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,680
Jill and Steve often hear
heavy footsteps up the stairs,

316
00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,320
and feel like someone
enters their bedroom,

317
00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,800
so we head up there
with the spirit box to investigate.

318
00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,840
Steve, why don't
you call out on this one?

319
00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:52,920
OK.

320
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,240
Ask the spirits to speak to us,
the male spirit or the little girl.

321
00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,440
OK, yeah.

322
00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,080
What the fuck?
What?

323
00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,360
What?

324
00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,640
OK, stop.
What?

325
00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,160
What's the matter?
Wait, wait. Just wait.

326
00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,480
What?
Wait one second.

327
00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,000
What's happened?

328
00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,080
Is there any crew upstairs?

329
00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,640
No-one's on the top floor?

330
00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:13,800
I thought I saw a little head
come round the corner.

331
00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,400
Did you?
No!

332
00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,120
Yeah, and that freaked me out.

333
00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,640
What, a small head, like a child?

334
00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,040
A little white girl.

335
00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:21,520
Brilliant.

336
00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,880
Well, do you know what?

337
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,000
Given that there
is only one little girl

338
00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,760
on any of the census records,

339
00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,280
given that her mother was Lucy

340
00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:33,560
and it's a name that you picked up
on straightaway, Ian,

341
00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,280
shall we call out for Bessie?

342
00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:36,680
Bessie.

343
00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,760
Bessie Evans is the little girl...
Wow.

344
00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,960
..on the 1891 census.

345
00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,240
Recording.
Steve, do you wanna call out?

346
00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,480
OK. Bessie, is that you there?

347
00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,680
Are you living
in this house alongside us?

348
00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,080
Footsteps.

349
00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,600
I just heard the floorboard
as soon as you said her name.

350
00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,560
I did, yes.

351
00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,240
Thank you.
Wow.

352
00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,840
I'll play this recording back.

353
00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:01,720
Was that a..?
What was that?

354
00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,360
There's a man that speaks.

355
00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,120
Did that say "here, buddy?"
That's not you.

356
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,520
No.
That's not me.

357
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:07,680
Just play it again.

358
00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,960
Just before you speak,
someone else says something.

359
00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,520
It's a man, isn't it, a man's voice?

360
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,080
Was that a cough?
"Hear me."

361
00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,480
"Here, buddy."
Is that not "here, buddy"?

362
00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,120
I thought it said "hear me."
"Hear me."

363
00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,720
"Here, mate." It's got an accent.

364
00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:20,920
Yeah, it has got an accent.

365
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,240
Just do it one more time, sorry.

366
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,080
Oh my God, it's "Here, mate."
Oh my gosh, that is so clear!

367
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,560
"Here, mate."

368
00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,160
"Hear me, hear me."
Wow.

369
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,640
I can sense the girl in the hallway,
and she's curious.

370
00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,440
We came into this room
trying to make contact

371
00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,160
with a male spirit, right?

372
00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,320
What?

373
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,600
"Find me." She likes you.

374
00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,240
Is that what she just said?

375
00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,880
"Find me." Go to the bottom
of the stairs, Barry.

376
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,680
Talk to her.

377
00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,560
Alright, I'll sit here.

378
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,840
If you like me,
Bessie, is that you?

379
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,960
My name's Barri.

380
00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,640
She's playing
hide and seek with you,

381
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,400
'cause she went running
over to the door again.

382
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,680
That's where
that painted footprint is.

383
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,400
Can you explain what happened there?
Yes.

384
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,880
Yes, well, we'd only been moved in
probably two or three weeks,

385
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,080
and, um,
I was painting the stepover,

386
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,520
and we went out, came back,

387
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,280
and there was a child's footprint
in there.

388
00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:18,160
And there was no children
in the house, was there?

389
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,520
And it was a small...

390
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:20,800
It was a small child's
footprint, yeah.

391
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,080
Yeah.

392
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,360
I'm wondering about more
than one child,

393
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,440
because if the footprint is tiny,
this wouldn't be Bessie,

394
00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,280
because she was 11
in the census.

395
00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:30,680
Oh, OK.

396
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,920
So it could be one
of the other children.

397
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,200
When James Harvey was here,
interestingly, he had three sons,

398
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,840
a three-year-old, a two-year-old
and a two-month-old baby,

399
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,240
in the census.
Right, OK.

400
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,560
OK.

401
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:44,960
There could be more than one child.

402
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,440
On my walkaround,
I sensed there was more

403
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,760
than one child,
so we move next door

404
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,520
to where the footprint appeared,
to connect using the spirit box.

405
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,960
Bessie, can you hear me?

406
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,080
Do you like playing games?

407
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,840
Rascal?

408
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,400
Are you a little rascal?

409
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,640
Yes.
Yes!

410
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,080
It was a little kid's voice.

411
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,480
Yeah, yeah.

412
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,120
Whoa!
Did you hear that?

413
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,320
Did you feel that?

414
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,680
Yes!
Yes!

415
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,600
There was a bang on the floor.
That was right here.

416
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,880
Can you sing 'Ring a Ring o' Roses'?

417
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,200
Bessie, where are you?

418
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,960
Upstairs?

419
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,480
Upstairs is where I heard

420
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,160
'Ring a Ring o' Roses'
on my walkaround.

421
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,560
Let's play it,
because it could stimulate her

422
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,240
to come forward, and we might well
get a response from her.

423
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,480
OK.
OK, yeah.

424
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,800
# Ring a ring o' roses

425
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,440
# A pocket full of posies

426
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,880
# A-tissue, a-tissue

427
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,720
# We all fall down. #

428
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,840
Stop that. I can't cope with that.

429
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,520
Honestly,
I've gone all, like, yeah.

430
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,680
I'm gonna freak you out.

431
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,400
I can't,
I'm gonna cry in a minute.

432
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,240
There was a group of children
just stood behind Amy.

433
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,560
Oh my goodness.
You're joking.

434
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:11,720
It's attracted
loads of children in here.

435
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,480
There's two boys
with little flat caps,

436
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,000
and then I could just see
a queue of children.

437
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,920
God.

438
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,440
I couldn't cope with it.

439
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,480
Oh my goodness.

440
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,080
'Ring a Ring o' Roses'
dates back to the Victorian era,

441
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,920
so it's interesting Ian sees
children in Victorian flat caps.

442
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,880
That nursery rhyme was
very, very popular, wasn't it?

443
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,840
And it has been
for many, many years.

444
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,720
So, potentially
it's attracted other spirits here,

445
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,400
but we do need to identify...

446
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,120
Who we're dealing with.

447
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,360
Yeah, who we're dealing with.
How many children are here...

448
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,840
Oh gosh. Wow.

449
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,360
..and whether or not the male spirit
that you feel and sense

450
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,720
walking up the stairs
is in fact this James, James Harvey.

451
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,760
Could be, yeah.
Got a lot of work to do.

452
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,320
Darkness descends,

453
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,400
and Steve and Jill
leave us for the night.

454
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,600
To capture any unusual activity
during the investigation,

455
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,600
I've placed cameras
across the entire property,

456
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,200
which will be constantly
monitored here in our nerve centre.

457
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,080
Crew's inside, they're setting up
all the cameras now,

458
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,240
and they're turning
them to infrared.

459
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,360
Mm-hmm.

460
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,160
I mean,
I've got all eight cameras in use

461
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,280
because the property is so vast,

462
00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,680
but it's also got
so many different areas.

463
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,840
We wanted to cover
the most important parts,

464
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,600
which are definitely the staircase,

465
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,280
where you've
got the heavy footsteps

466
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:40,480
that have been reported there;

467
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,440
upstairs, where
the child spirit has been heard;

468
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,680
but also I've got two downstairs,
living room and dining room area.

469
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,960
I'd like to head straight back
into the dining room

470
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,000
and start investigating
to try and find out

471
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,560
who this male spirit is.

472
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,000
Well, let's go find out.

473
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,560
Are all the cameras ready
to go to infrared now?

474
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,880
Yeah, copy that.

475
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,320
Alright, let's go in.

476
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,560
Brilliant, let's go.

477
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,480
While Jayne and Ian
set up in the dining room,

478
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,800
I'm positioning a plasma ball
in Jill's daughter's room,

479
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,920
which will hopefully attract
any curious child spirits.

480
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,320
This is going
to react to audio only,

481
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,640
so if there's any noise
in this room...

482
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,000
..the fixed rig camera
is gonna pick that up.

483
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,840
Downstairs we're running EchoVox,
which uses banks of phonetic sounds.

484
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,360
Hello? We'd like to speak
to the gentleman.

485
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,000
Are you able to tell us,
are you James Harvey?

486
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,160
Yeah.
Yeah.

487
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,680
Thank you, James.

488
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,480
James, can you see Barri,
who's just entered the room?

489
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,320
Yes.
Yes.

490
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,400
James, did Jill and Steve
hear you walking up the stairs?

491
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,600
Yes!
Yes.

492
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,800
Wow!

493
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,600
Again.
Yes.

494
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,280
That is a clear response.

495
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:11,480
Yeah.

496
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,560
If this is James Harvey,
can you say your name for us?

497
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,400
Oh my God, I think that just said,
"I'd say Jimmy."

498
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,720
We're asking for James,

499
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,320
and I'm sure that just said,
"I'd say Jimmy."

500
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,000
If this is James Harvey, why does
he keep walking up the stairs

501
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,280
into Jill and Steve's bedroom?

502
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,840
As we make our way up there
to investigate...

503
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,120
..we hear from the nerve centre.

504
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,560
Nerve centre to Barri.

505
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,200
Receiving, over.

506
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,960
Plasma ball just went off.

507
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,040
Oh my God!
The plasma ball? Where's that?

508
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,120
Guys? The plasma ball,
which is upstairs in the attic.

509
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,480
Let's go.
Right, OK.

510
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,680
Oh my God.

511
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,360
Right.

512
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:00,720
Oh. And that was going off?

513
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,800
This is voice activated,
but you have to speak quite loud.

514
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,200
Wow.

515
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,000
We need to capitalise
on this activity

516
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,040
and try to connect
to whoever is here.

517
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,400
So the plasma ball
doesn't react to our voices,

518
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,600
I've switched it to touch mode.

519
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,400
So earlier on,
during spirit triggers,

520
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,880
when we played
'Ring a Ring o' Roses,'

521
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,360
you saw multiple children there
at the door.

522
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,640
Yes.

523
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,160
Shall we play
'Ring a Ring o' Roses' again,

524
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,560
and see if that helps?

525
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,360
# Ring a ring o' roses

526
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,760
# A pocket full of posies

527
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:40,000
# A-tissue, a-tissue,
we all fall... #

528
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,440
I'm seeing loads of children again.

529
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,320
How many children do you see?

530
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,560
I just see rows of children.
It's unnerving.

531
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,440
But I feel like these children
are just residual spirits,

532
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,320
an imprint of the past,
and therefore unable to communicate.

533
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,920
Why don't you pop that right
into that, near the bathroom?

534
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,360
What, and just leave it recording?

535
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,760
Leave it recording. Let's play
'Ring a Ring o' Roses' again.

536
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,200
OK.
Jayne?

537
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,720
Yeah, got it.

538
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,480
There's a girl there already, mate.
There's a child here?

539
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,640
I can see her.

540
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,960
I just see an outline of a dress.

541
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,240
Is this Bessie?

542
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,240
# Ring a ring o' roses... #

543
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,040
Stand where I am, Jayne,
and look down there.

544
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,400
Oh Jesus.
What?

545
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,600
Yeah.

546
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,520
Static.
Yeah. Who's here?

547
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,680
Static.

548
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,200
Jayne, have you got the tri-field
meter there, on the bed?

549
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,440
Yeah, yeah, it's here.

550
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:36,360
Could you do something,
let us know you're here?

551
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,960
Spike, 2.8.

552
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,600
Mm-hmm. Can you walk
towards this light here?

553
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,400
Can you see this ball glowing?

554
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,760
Can you touch it, like this?

555
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,120
There was definitely
an electromagnetic spike out there.

556
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,600
Yeah.

557
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,920
Come on, who are you?
Are you Bessie?

558
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,760
Hang on.

559
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,720
Bessie?
Somebody's touching it.

560
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,160
Touch that pink ball.

561
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:02,000
Point. You're pointing.

562
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,960
I'm pointing.
Point, so she can see me point.

563
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,280
Yeah.

564
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,240
If Bessie has the ability
to interact,

565
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,040
touch and communicate,
she's an intelligent spirit.

566
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,080
What?

567
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,120
What the shit's that coming from?

568
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,320
Where's that coming from?
It's coming out of their speaker.

569
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,040
Oh my God.

570
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,680
Where? Where's it coming..?

571
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,800
That's coming from our speaker.

572
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,320
Are you joking?
This folk music.

573
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,480
It's folk music.

574
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,240
How, though?

575
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,240
That's crazy.

576
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,320
Spirit has manipulated the tablet
in order to play that song.

577
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,360
So, just explain that to me. How..?

578
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,560
I can't explain it.

579
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,840
I've got 'Ring a Ring o' Roses'
downloaded on my tablet,

580
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,240
but I don't have folk music.

581
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,200
Do you know
what freaks me out though?

582
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,640
Yeah, yeah.

583
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,960
Steve said that out the speaker

584
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,720
sometimes comes
Robin Hood type music.

585
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,920
Mmm.

586
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,600
If this is Bessie,

587
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,000
and she's intrigued
by modern technology,

588
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,440
I've got a new piece of kit

589
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,480
she might like to try
in Jill and Steve's bedroom.

590
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:11,360
So, this Onvoy device
actually has yes/no mode on it.

591
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,240
It's got a dictionary mode on it.

592
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,280
It's also got ability
to produce emoticons,

593
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:22,040
so emotional symbols to represent
how the spirit may be feeling.

594
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:23,440
Oh wow, OK.
OK.

595
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,640
Shall we try that?
I'll place it on the floor here.

596
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,880
It's on yes/no mode at the moment.

597
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,480
Is there a child spirit here?

598
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,240
Oh my God, guys.
Mmm?

599
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,840
Something has physically
tapped onto the machine.

600
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,040
Right, OK.

601
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,240
It says it was touched.

602
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,560
It's going mad.

603
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,520
Yes, no, yes. That's going crazy.
It's going mad, yes.

604
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,480
Is this Bessie, James Harvey,
or one of his little boys?

605
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,520
Are you here, James? Jimmy?

606
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,160
Something tapped it, "yes."
Yes.

607
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,960
It's Jimmy, innit?
Thank you, Jimmy.

608
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,760
Shall we move it,
now that we're talking to Jimmy?

609
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,600
Shall we pop it
sort of higher up, maybe?

610
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,520
High somewhere. There we go.

611
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,440
James? Is there any children here?

612
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,880
That said yes.

613
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,320
Yes.
So James can.

614
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,680
Listen, James Harvey's son
was called James Harvey.

615
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,880
We've been calling out
to James Harvey.

616
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,560
It could be the little boy...
Yeah.

617
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,360
..that's responding
to us, not the man.

618
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,920
Oh. Oh look.

619
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,240
That says yes.
Yes.

620
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,400
Right.

621
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,760
I tell you what, that could also
be the little, tiny footprint.

622
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,360
We take the kit and move next door

623
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,000
to try and determine
if James Harvey Jr.

624
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,320
was the one who left the footprint.

625
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,560
Do you know what,
I'm just wondering,

626
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,360
maybe they're too young
to be able to read.

627
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,360
There are little symbols
on there, Barri. Maybe pictures.

628
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,840
Maybe they can communicate better
with the little pictures.

629
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,120
Yeah, there's kind of emoticons
that's on there.

630
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,160
Little James, are you happy?

631
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,680
Do you like it here?

632
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,320
Oh dear.
What?

633
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,000
Angry and scared. It was touched.

634
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,480
Oh.
Oh gosh.

635
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,160
Crikey. OK.
Would you like us to help you?

636
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,600
Would that make you happy?

637
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,240
Yes, it will.
Oh.

638
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,640
That was a happy face.
Good.

639
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,440
And it's been touched.

640
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,040
Brilliant.
So we can help you, I promise.

641
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,880
It's just come up with "scared",
and it's been touched.

642
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,400
OK.
Ah.

643
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,200
Please don't be scared.

644
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,800
Everything's going to be OK,
I promise.

645
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,600
That's a sad face.

646
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,760
OK.

647
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,600
I'm calling out
to the little boy that we think

648
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,200
has been really brave this evening
and has been communicating with us.

649
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,840
Is your name James?

650
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,840
Do you have
the same name as your daddy?

651
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Did you leave your footprint?

652
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,920
Did you stand in the wet paint?

653
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,320
Do you want
to tell us anything?

654
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,800
What?
Ooh!

655
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,280
That's here. Hello?

656
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,560
That came from the corridor.

657
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,720
That was a whispered response,
wasn't it?

658
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,280
Yeah. Shall we play that back?

659
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,960
Do you want to tell us anything?

660
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,440
There.

661
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,040
Was that a breath at the end?

662
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,960
Mmm, well, that was out here.

663
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,920
I heard that just here
on the landing.

664
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,680
What do you guys hear?

665
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,200
That does sound like "James."

666
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,840
It does sound like James,
like a little boy going, "James."

667
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,960
Mmm.

668
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,840
That sounds like a young boy to me.

669
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,240
It's a young voice, that.

670
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,040
If little James is here
communicating with us,

671
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,160
there's every chance
that was his footprint.

672
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,800
But why are father and son
still haunting this property?

673
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,600
What?
What?

674
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,240
I could hear footsteps.

675
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,440
Oh my God.

676
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,600
What? What was that?

677
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,560
Keep walking. This is James Harvey.

678
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,720
Come and walk
through your house, sir.

679
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,840
Come up the stairs.

680
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,440
(GASPS)
What?

681
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,240
Is there anyone there?

682
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,000
Oh my God,
there's nobody on the stairs.

683
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,760
There's nobody on the stairs.

684
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,280
James?
Are you coming to see your son?

685
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,040
This is exactly
what they've been experiencing.

686
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,960
Ooh, if I was lying in bed

687
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,080
and I heard that,
I would be terrified.

688
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,360
That's really heavy.

689
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,760
Can you imagine someone
coming up the stairs

690
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,080
and walking
straight into that bedroom?

691
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,040
I don't think James
means them any harm,

692
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,680
but I think he's looking
for something, someone.

693
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,040
Maybe he's looking for his son.

694
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,840
Maybe his little boy, yeah.
Maybe they're not together.

695
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,560
Yeah, yeah.

696
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,160
So why would he be repeating this
walking up the stairs

697
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,800
and going straight
into the master bedroom?

698
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,280
Maybe he's searching.
Maybe he's trapped in a loop.

699
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,320
Maybe he's doing his old route.

700
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,520
Maybe that front bedroom
was the little boy's room.

701
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,240
Maybe he's going in there
looking for his son.

702
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,920
James Harvey Sr. and Jr.

703
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,040
aren't together in the spirit world
and need reuniting.

704
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,000
But why is Bessie still here?

705
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,880
We move downstairs
to make contact one last time.

706
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,640
Shall we use an ITC application,
Spirit Talker?

707
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,160
Yeah.
OK.

708
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,120
Bessie Evans, if you can hear me,

709
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,960
do you like the song 'Ring a Roses'?

710
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,760
I can see her here,
and she's got little pockets

711
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,040
at the front of her dress.

712
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,520
"Take photo."

713
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,840
"Take photo."

714
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,200
Quickly.
Quick, take a picture.

715
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,760
Are you looking for your mummy?

716
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,960
Are you looking for Lucy,
your mummy?

717
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,680
Can you put that cushion
on the floor here?

718
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,080
Which one, this one?
That.

719
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,760
The cushion?
Yeah.

720
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,640
Yeah, why? She wants to sit down?

721
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:03,720
Yeah.

722
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,720
Ah!

723
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,520
There you go. There you go. Yeah.

724
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,440
She's coming to tell her story.

725
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,800
She says, "I need to sit down."

726
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,240
That's why I want a cushion.

727
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,320
So she's now saying
she misses her family.

728
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,480
Can you tell us something else?

729
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,720
Thank you.

730
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,000
"We have spoke before."

731
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,320
Wow.

732
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,840
Thank you, Bessie.

733
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,800
She makes noises! Oh my God.

734
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,680
Oh my goodness.
Absolutely incredible.

735
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,000
Thank you.

736
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,000
Does she mean through
the speaker, do you think?

737
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,160
Yeah.

738
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:40,560
Could that be a reference
to the smart speakers

739
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,960
and making noise
on those devices?

740
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,280
It could be.

741
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,240
"Device," yeah, of course.

742
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,560
Isn't it?

743
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,200
Oh.

744
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,640
Bless her.

745
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:54,680
Ah. Is that because
you're looking for your mummy?

746
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,480
Alright, sweetie, we can help you.

747
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,800
Thank you, Bessie. Ending session.

748
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,640
Our investigation draws to a close,
and we gather in a circle

749
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:14,040
to reunite Bessie
and her mum Lucy,

750
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,720
and James Harvey Sr. and Jr.

751
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,240
We ask for the spirit beings
we have communicated with

752
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,480
here this evening to step forward
until you see this light.

753
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,200
Lucy, take your little girl,

754
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,520
take Bessie over into eternal warmth

755
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,760
and eternal love together.

756
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:45,120
James Harvey, you've been
searching for so long for your son.

757
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,800
Can you see him now?

758
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,960
Please move into the light

759
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:58,680
and take on your journey together

760
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,520
as a family again.

761
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,480
God bless you all. Amen.

762
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,120
The next morning,
after analysing all our evidence,

763
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,880
Jill and Steve return.

764
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,440
Good morning.
Morning.

765
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,640
Morning.

766
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:19,920
How did you guys sleep?

767
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,760
Not very well.
Really?

768
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,240
Yes. Yeah.

769
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,600
Just worried about what you were
gonna find, and, er, yeah.

770
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,680
So you left us, and we knew
you had a very, very active house.

771
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,840
So we decided to come in here,
and while Barri set up

772
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,680
some more equipment upstairs,

773
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,000
Ian and I ran an application
called EchoVox,

774
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,800
and we made contact again
with James Harvey,

775
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,560
the coach builder.
Oh, right.

776
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,240
James, do Jill and Steve
hear you walking up the stairs?

777
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,720
Yes!
Wow!

778
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,480
Did you hear that twice?
Amazing, isn't it?

779
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,160
Yeah.
Wow.

780
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,960
During the EchoVox session
down here,

781
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,440
I'd gone upstairs briefly
to place some equipment

782
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,600
in the rooms upstairs.
I actually used a plasma ball.

783
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,600
This was set to voice
or sound response only,

784
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,960
and that plasma ball did go off.

785
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,560
We've got a clip to show you.

786
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,360
Oh gosh, yes.

787
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,640
Oh yes, yes. Yeah.

788
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,480
I think that's amazing evidence.
Yeah.

789
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,480
It proves that there is
a consciously aware

790
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,120
intelligent spirit
trying to communicate with us, OK?

791
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,240
I believe it's childlike.

792
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,920
I believe it may well have
been Bessie.

793
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,880
Right, yeah.
OK.

794
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,880
Well, we had the census
records, of course,

795
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,920
so we knew that James Harvey,
the coach builder, had three sons.

796
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,320
One of those sons
was also called James,

797
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,200
and he was three
on the census in 1861.

798
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,440
So we thought,
OK, maybe, is he here?

799
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,200
So whilst we were in
the white bedroom, as we call it,

800
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,880
you know, where the
painted area of the door was...

801
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,160
Yeah.

802
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,040
..we heard a response in the ether,

803
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,720
another example
of direct voice phenomena,

804
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,560
and when we reviewed it,
we heard this.

805
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,440
This is as loud as it's gonna go now
without degrading the file.

806
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,160
That's on loop. It is a name.

807
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:12,720
What do you hear?

808
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,120
James.

809
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,440
Yeah.

810
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,960
Clear, isn't it?
Yeah.

811
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,760
And it sounds like a very young
child as well, doesn't it?

812
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,320
Yeah.
Yeah.

813
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,080
So we went back one final time
onto the third floor,

814
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,480
and we knew from previous
experiences throughout the evening

815
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,640
that playing 'Ring a Roses'

816
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,400
really seemed to bring
the children forward.

817
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,600
So we did that,
but then something weird happened

818
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,360
that took us all by surprise.

819
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,680
Listen to this.

820
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,040
What's that?

821
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,400
It's folk music.

822
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,120
Folk music, like they said.
What the shit's that coming from?

823
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,920
That's coming out of their speaker.

824
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,520
That's what we hear, isn't it?
That's it.

825
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,720
That blew our minds.
Honestly, it shocked us.

826
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,440
Yeah.

827
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,200
OK, does that sound similar
to the stuff you hear?

828
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,760
Yes, yes.
That is...

829
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,040
And when we're asleep
and we wake up

830
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,280
at two or three in the morning
hearing that,

831
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,920
you know, you think, "What is it?"

832
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,160
Where has that music come from?

833
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:12,560
We have never requested that kind
of music, we've never asked for it.

834
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,240
It's like old folk music, isn't it?
Yeah.

835
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,800
Now, guys, it was coming out
of a speaker

836
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,800
that I'd connected to my tablet.

837
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,040
There's no way I have folk music
of that nature preloaded on there.

838
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,120
It's not on my, er, my playlist.

839
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,320
That is just so bizarre.
I can't believe that.

840
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,360
Yeah, mind-blowing.

841
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:35,200
So we came downstairs
and we sat in your lounge,

842
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,840
and actually, for us,
this session downstairs

843
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,240
put all of the pieces
of the puzzle together.

844
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,920
"Take photo."
"Take photo."

845
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,800
Quickly.
Quick, take a picture.

846
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,400
Spirits were telling us
to take a photo.

847
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,640
Right.

848
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:54,880
So this is the first photo.

849
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,160
I normally take two or three
in any one place,

850
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,280
so if anything is on them
you can compare.

851
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,280
So, at the time,
I actually was looking here.

852
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,160
Is there anything there?
Nothing there.

853
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,040
But I needed to look in the mirror.

854
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,160
Just tell me if you see
anything at all in there.

855
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,920
(GASPS)
Oh! Oh my gosh!

856
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
What can you see?

857
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A face.

858
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,480
It is like a...

859
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,320
Wow. And that...

860
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,000
It looks.
it looks like a young...

861
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,120
And that is where I was tapped
on the back of the head.

862
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,080
So you got the tap in that location?
Yeah, yeah.

863
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,240
That's Bessie, I think.
She said, "Take photos."

864
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,000
She was behind me.

865
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,560
Oh my goodness.

866
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,400
That's what I wanted
to see to believe.

867
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,800
Yeah, yeah.

868
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,160
Seeing is believing.

869
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:46,480
Yeah, believing, yeah.

870
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,800
Is it still sceptical
for you, Steve, or..?

871
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,240
It's making you rethink,
isn't it?

872
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,400
Yes. Yeah, definitely, yeah.

873
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,200
I'm gonna play you
the rest of this file.

874
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,200
Ah!

875
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,840
There you go. There you go.

876
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,480
I feel really sad.

877
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,320
Do you? You feel the emotion from..?

878
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,720
I really do.

879
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,200
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

880
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,200
Sorry. Oh my God.

881
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,320
It's very emotional, isn't it,

882
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,040
to think that she was here
on her own.

883
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,320
Oh gosh, yeah.

884
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,600
Missing the parents.

885
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:18,840
Yeah, yeah.

886
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,160
Wow.

887
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,720
So, Ian had sensed
that the little girl here was sad,

888
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,040
so the name Lucy coming to Ian,

889
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,960
as soon as he walked in your house,

890
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,040
maybe that was Bessie trying
to give an impression of Mummy,

891
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,520
of who she needs,
who she's here looking for.

892
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,080
Yeah, yeah. Wants her mum.

893
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,760
And the fact
that Bessie is really sad

894
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,840
makes me feel quite emotional,

895
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,440
you know, and I feel like she needs
help to find her mum and dad.

896
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,880
She's the same age as my daughter,

897
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,600
you know,
and I've got that connection...

898
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,880
Being a mother, yeah.

899
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,560
That motherly instinct,

900
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,600
and it just makes
you really emotional.

901
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,640
What we had going on
in your house, guys,

902
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:04,600
was two stories of parents
and children that weren't together,

903
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,760
that needed bringing together
in order to find their peace.

904
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,520
So I opened the doorway
to the light,

905
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:18,120
and I handed over Bessie
and Lucy to Jayne.

906
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:23,920
So I asked them both
to hold hands,

907
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,080
and once they were together,

908
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,680
I asked them both
just to follow the beautiful warm,

909
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,120
golden light, which they did,
and they passed through together.

910
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,560
And as I was watching them
go through,

911
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,200
I knew it was now time
for James Sr.

912
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,720
and James Jr.
to also be reunited.

913
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,600
So I thought
this would be down to Barri.

914
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,320
I spoke to them, and I asked James

915
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,680
to find his son,
to meet together,

916
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,320
to take his hand,
to be with his son,

917
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,560
to walk through those pearly gates.

918
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,160
And that's exactly
where I believe they went.

919
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,160
I'm welling up now. Stop it.

920
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,000
So now they're happy.
They've got what they want.

921
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,320
They're together.
Yeah.

922
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,040
Thank you so much.
You're very welcome.

923
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,480
Honestly, it's been
such an experience.

924
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,720
Yeah.

925
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,880
And one we'll never forget.
No, never.

926
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,480
It's been an incredibly
moving investigation.

927
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,440
That was an emotional story,
wasn't it?

928
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:24,680
Oh, it got to me.

929
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,360
Always, always when it's children.

930
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,600
But who knows
what the next case will bring?

931
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,000
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