1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:04,088 --> 00:00:05,421 - Hotshot Robot. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:20,055 --> 00:00:22,028 - Up next, it's the latest from the Dayton, Ohio band, 5 00:00:22,028 --> 00:00:24,319 Brainiac, who in their four year history has opened for, 6 00:00:24,319 --> 00:00:27,129 among others, The Breeders, Jesus Lizard, Unsane and 7 00:00:27,129 --> 00:00:29,601 Girls Against Boys, here it is, Timmy Taylor and the guys. 8 00:00:29,601 --> 00:00:32,550 (rock music) 9 00:00:32,550 --> 00:00:34,979 - They sound like you might get zapped if you touched 'em, 10 00:00:34,979 --> 00:00:37,288 you know, like, they were Brainiac, you know, 11 00:00:37,288 --> 00:00:39,976 there was this like, they sizzled. 12 00:00:39,976 --> 00:00:42,000 (rock music) 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,516 - I didn't know you could do it like that. 14 00:00:44,516 --> 00:00:47,515 Legends and myths behind it, like, they set the standard. 15 00:00:47,515 --> 00:00:49,825 They set the bar really high. 16 00:00:49,825 --> 00:00:52,158 - They had so much momentum. 17 00:00:54,575 --> 00:00:57,492 - That band, the fervor was insane. 18 00:00:58,513 --> 00:01:01,588 - Watched that right as they arrived at that moment. 19 00:01:01,588 --> 00:01:04,005 (rock music) 20 00:01:07,362 --> 00:01:09,232 - Meanwhile, it was a bad news week for fans of the 21 00:01:09,232 --> 00:01:11,350 rising indie band, Brainiac, whose leader singer, 22 00:01:11,350 --> 00:01:13,900 28 year old, Tim Taylor, was killed in an early morning 23 00:01:13,900 --> 00:01:17,438 single car crash near his home in Dayton, Ohio last Friday. 24 00:01:17,438 --> 00:01:19,063 Brainiac was being courted by the majors 25 00:01:19,063 --> 00:01:21,230 at the time of Taylor's death. 26 00:01:21,230 --> 00:01:23,813 (somber music) 27 00:01:29,005 --> 00:01:30,346 - [Director] All right, we're recording. 28 00:01:30,346 --> 00:01:32,380 - Hello, my name's Tim 29 00:01:32,380 --> 00:01:35,167 and this is my second cousin, Tyler Trent 30 00:01:35,167 --> 00:01:38,480 and we are with the group, Brainiac. 31 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,205 (chuckles) 32 00:01:40,205 --> 00:01:41,038 I'm sorry. 33 00:01:41,038 --> 00:01:43,892 - My name's Todd Yunglen, I already mentioned. 34 00:01:43,892 --> 00:01:44,725 All right. 35 00:01:45,979 --> 00:01:48,579 - I'd like to introduce you to our bass player, Monasterio. 36 00:01:48,579 --> 00:01:49,412 - Hi. 37 00:01:49,412 --> 00:01:50,531 - Buenas noches. 38 00:01:50,531 --> 00:01:51,907 - Monasterio, cool. 39 00:01:51,907 --> 00:01:53,454 I'm in a band. 40 00:01:53,454 --> 00:01:55,630 You're probably one of our biggest influences 41 00:01:55,630 --> 00:01:56,817 as a matter of fact. 42 00:01:56,817 --> 00:01:58,165 - I like it, all right. - It sounds good I don't know. 43 00:01:58,165 --> 00:01:59,940 I think in 20 years, people are still gonna be listening 44 00:01:59,940 --> 00:02:01,490 to it, that's the thing. - I hope so. 45 00:02:01,490 --> 00:02:03,027 - But with that, every time I listen to it-- 46 00:02:03,027 --> 00:02:04,656 - We just need more people like you to rip us off 47 00:02:04,656 --> 00:02:06,476 and that'll sort of give us more credibility. 48 00:02:06,476 --> 00:02:08,893 - Yeah. - Keep the myth alive. 49 00:02:10,890 --> 00:02:13,307 (rock music) 50 00:02:16,227 --> 00:02:17,826 (applause) 51 00:02:17,826 --> 00:02:20,989 - [Announcer] And now at last, we turn the stage over 52 00:02:20,989 --> 00:02:23,489 to those mad geniuses. 53 00:02:23,489 --> 00:02:28,489 The answer is, hybrids, half conservatory trained and 54 00:02:28,626 --> 00:02:32,043 half trained at the College of Hard Rock. 55 00:02:33,077 --> 00:02:36,026 I'm not quite sure what they're going to do with this music 56 00:02:36,026 --> 00:02:39,087 and wherever they take it, whether you approve or not, 57 00:02:39,087 --> 00:02:42,802 one thing is sure, it's going to be fun and who knows, 58 00:02:42,802 --> 00:02:44,665 it may even be beautiful. 59 00:02:44,665 --> 00:02:47,082 (rock music) 60 00:03:06,576 --> 00:03:08,925 ♪ Kiss all the babies and rub the politicos ♪ 61 00:03:08,925 --> 00:03:11,629 ♪ Vincent come on down ♪ 62 00:03:11,629 --> 00:03:14,272 ♪ The boys are rock stupid but the girls can tell ♪ 63 00:03:14,272 --> 00:03:17,109 ♪ And they tell and they tell and they tell ♪ 64 00:03:17,109 --> 00:03:19,828 ♪ Slice one open for the unknown soldier ♪ 65 00:03:19,828 --> 00:03:22,509 ♪ Vincent come on down ♪ 66 00:03:22,509 --> 00:03:25,054 ♪ It's half past the minute and you're stuck down in it ♪ 67 00:03:25,054 --> 00:03:28,869 ♪ Get up get on or get out ♪ 68 00:03:28,869 --> 00:03:30,689 ♪ I don't think you can tell me ♪ 69 00:03:30,689 --> 00:03:33,395 ♪ The things that I want you to ♪ 70 00:03:33,395 --> 00:03:36,104 ♪ Short of a cataclysmic seduction ♪ 71 00:03:36,104 --> 00:03:41,104 ♪ Nothing can stop my car crash attack on you ♪ 72 00:03:41,591 --> 00:03:43,758 ♪ Vincent ♪ 73 00:03:52,683 --> 00:03:54,558 (audience cheers) 74 00:03:54,558 --> 00:03:59,558 ♪ Vincent come on down ♪ 75 00:04:00,146 --> 00:04:01,697 ♪ Vincent ♪ 76 00:04:01,697 --> 00:04:04,530 (audience cheers) 77 00:04:08,922 --> 00:04:11,922 (audience applause) 78 00:04:12,912 --> 00:04:13,745 - Hello. 79 00:04:14,965 --> 00:04:17,132 Dear Brainiac, I miss you. 80 00:04:18,046 --> 00:04:20,887 You were a symbol of a dream and an explosive energy 81 00:04:20,887 --> 00:04:24,313 that meant everything then and still now 82 00:04:24,313 --> 00:04:26,603 and I still describe it like this to this day. 83 00:04:26,603 --> 00:04:30,147 Brainiac, the perfect symmetry of energy between 84 00:04:30,147 --> 00:04:33,431 childhood friends from Dayton, Ohio, Devo robot 85 00:04:33,431 --> 00:04:35,849 meets punk rock James Brown in a one of a kind 86 00:04:35,849 --> 00:04:37,950 new wave industrial band. 87 00:04:37,950 --> 00:04:40,555 There is no other band like Brainiac. 88 00:04:40,555 --> 00:04:43,555 (audience applause) 89 00:04:44,488 --> 00:04:46,333 Timmy Taylor, 90 00:04:46,333 --> 00:04:48,123 you are terribly missed. 91 00:04:48,123 --> 00:04:50,956 There is a quiet place in my heart held for you 92 00:04:50,956 --> 00:04:52,912 that will never disappear the way that 93 00:04:52,912 --> 00:04:55,232 you did to the outside world. 94 00:04:55,232 --> 00:04:59,970 A Brainiac torch burns every day for all of us that have it 95 00:04:59,970 --> 00:05:03,732 and I can see yours and it is burning 96 00:05:03,732 --> 00:05:05,413 very fucking bright tonight. 97 00:05:05,413 --> 00:05:08,524 (audience applause) 98 00:05:08,524 --> 00:05:09,637 Thank you. 99 00:05:09,637 --> 00:05:12,470 (audience cheers) 100 00:05:22,425 --> 00:05:25,342 (distorted voices) 101 00:05:29,453 --> 00:05:31,961 - So, Tim, you say you and your buddies are 102 00:05:31,961 --> 00:05:34,504 going to visit one of Jupiter's moons. 103 00:05:34,504 --> 00:05:35,779 - Yeah. - Well, 104 00:05:35,779 --> 00:05:38,463 how do you suppose you're going to do that? 105 00:05:38,463 --> 00:05:41,009 - Well I don't know if you've heard about it or not 106 00:05:41,009 --> 00:05:42,916 but they have this new type of gum out 107 00:05:42,916 --> 00:05:44,842 and all it requires is that you learn how to blow a 108 00:05:44,842 --> 00:05:47,190 bubble and you too can space travel. 109 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:49,607 (rock music) 110 00:05:54,239 --> 00:05:57,185 ♪ Why will it take so long ♪ 111 00:05:57,185 --> 00:06:00,375 ♪ For me to say yeah find my big fuckin' 80 ♪ 112 00:06:00,375 --> 00:06:03,462 ♪ Stop it with my reasonable eye ♪ 113 00:06:03,462 --> 00:06:05,459 - The first day of fifth grade 114 00:06:05,459 --> 00:06:07,086 I just have some 115 00:06:07,086 --> 00:06:08,957 memory of Tim walking down the hall 116 00:06:08,957 --> 00:06:13,628 clapping his hands and saying, Quasimodo, Quasimodo 117 00:06:13,628 --> 00:06:15,986 and I didn't even know who Quasimodo was. 118 00:06:15,986 --> 00:06:17,989 I thought he'd made that name up and I was like, 119 00:06:17,989 --> 00:06:20,406 man that is such a cool word. 120 00:06:21,499 --> 00:06:22,645 And then we pretty much just started 121 00:06:22,645 --> 00:06:23,874 hanging out all the time. 122 00:06:23,874 --> 00:06:26,099 Right away we were just interested in the same things. 123 00:06:26,099 --> 00:06:30,516 We liked comic books and music and yeah just weirdos. 124 00:06:32,006 --> 00:06:34,215 - Tim, you know, he always had the creativity 125 00:06:34,215 --> 00:06:36,464 going on even as a kid. 126 00:06:36,464 --> 00:06:39,143 Then he started playing cello in the fifth grade 127 00:06:39,143 --> 00:06:42,175 and Juan was his band mate. 128 00:06:42,175 --> 00:06:44,164 - I remember we got in front of the school and we had to do 129 00:06:44,164 --> 00:06:46,920 like this duet, you know, we practiced it forever and I just 130 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,179 got up there and I saw the thing and I just like blanked. 131 00:06:50,179 --> 00:06:51,232 (chuckles) 132 00:06:51,232 --> 00:06:53,975 So Tim kinda played the song and got us through it 133 00:06:53,975 --> 00:06:55,883 which is just amazing to me because like, 134 00:06:55,883 --> 00:06:57,452 Tim was like an amazing musician. 135 00:06:57,452 --> 00:06:58,948 (piano music) 136 00:06:58,948 --> 00:07:01,849 - He listened to everything, I remember he loved The Beatles 137 00:07:01,849 --> 00:07:05,163 but he listened to everything from Charlie Parker, 138 00:07:05,163 --> 00:07:09,076 Ella Fitzgerald to classical, he'd go to the library 139 00:07:09,076 --> 00:07:12,859 and bring home lots of classical records and just kind of 140 00:07:12,859 --> 00:07:14,726 listen to them and study the sounds. 141 00:07:14,726 --> 00:07:17,493 (piano music) 142 00:07:17,493 --> 00:07:19,313 - Timmy was pretty much a prodigy. 143 00:07:19,313 --> 00:07:21,408 Comin' from parents like Terry and Linda, 144 00:07:21,408 --> 00:07:23,684 he was inundated with music. 145 00:07:23,684 --> 00:07:26,893 - Growing up, I started piano when I was six 146 00:07:26,893 --> 00:07:28,851 and then I also played cello. 147 00:07:28,851 --> 00:07:32,371 - It's amazing, like, Linda is a cellist. 148 00:07:32,371 --> 00:07:36,328 Terry is an accomplished jazz musician, you know. 149 00:07:36,328 --> 00:07:39,585 Both well respected in their fields and 150 00:07:39,585 --> 00:07:40,617 we have Tim. 151 00:07:40,617 --> 00:07:43,034 (jazz music) 152 00:07:44,454 --> 00:07:47,001 - Just had turned 19 and 153 00:07:47,001 --> 00:07:50,303 I went to hear Terry play one night 154 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:53,423 and I was just really impressed with his talent. 155 00:07:53,423 --> 00:07:56,036 (jazz music) 156 00:07:56,036 --> 00:07:58,584 - Man, he was just a brilliant guitarist. 157 00:07:58,584 --> 00:08:00,886 He'd go into a solo, they give him a solo and a half hour 158 00:08:00,886 --> 00:08:05,696 later, you know, their jaws are all dropping and you know, 159 00:08:05,696 --> 00:08:07,880 then they all come back in but, you know, 160 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,155 he took it a lot of places, so. 161 00:08:10,155 --> 00:08:13,431 - I think what really impressed me was some drunk that 162 00:08:13,431 --> 00:08:15,693 just kept pestering me, poking me and tried to 163 00:08:15,693 --> 00:08:18,696 get my attention and I remember Terry had grabbed this guy 164 00:08:18,696 --> 00:08:20,984 by the arm and he says, "You touch her one more time and 165 00:08:20,984 --> 00:08:24,123 I'll break your arm," so it was, I was in love. 166 00:08:24,123 --> 00:08:26,373 (chuckles) 167 00:08:27,568 --> 00:08:30,495 Back in those days he was on the road more than he was home. 168 00:08:30,495 --> 00:08:32,833 He said, "Come and join me and we're gonna do this, 169 00:08:32,833 --> 00:08:34,657 we're gonna get married," so I said, "Okay." 170 00:08:34,657 --> 00:08:37,959 So I took a Greyhound bus to Butler, Pennsylvania 'cause 171 00:08:37,959 --> 00:08:41,352 that's where he was on the job at that point. 172 00:08:41,352 --> 00:08:42,908 - [Director] What was the urgency? 173 00:08:42,908 --> 00:08:43,741 - Timmy. 174 00:08:43,741 --> 00:08:45,579 (laughter) 175 00:08:45,579 --> 00:08:48,579 (light piano music) 176 00:08:53,510 --> 00:08:56,391 This was Tim's favorite place to sit when he was a baby. 177 00:08:56,391 --> 00:08:58,048 His dad's guitar case. 178 00:08:58,048 --> 00:09:00,308 It was usually open because Terry was always playing. 179 00:09:00,308 --> 00:09:04,238 Tim just loved to sit there and listen to him play. 180 00:09:04,238 --> 00:09:07,953 So when Tim was about three, Terry bought him a drum set 181 00:09:07,953 --> 00:09:12,243 and it wasn't a toy drum set, it was a nice drum set 182 00:09:12,243 --> 00:09:15,324 and that's how he learned how to read drum notation, 183 00:09:15,324 --> 00:09:17,430 he learned how to read rhythm. 184 00:09:17,430 --> 00:09:19,562 Basically how to read music. 185 00:09:19,562 --> 00:09:22,771 - My dad is so talented, my mom is so talented 186 00:09:22,771 --> 00:09:24,708 and my brother was so talented, it's something that 187 00:09:24,708 --> 00:09:26,935 I just like couldn't believe. 188 00:09:26,935 --> 00:09:29,910 - I think he was bit with the show biz 189 00:09:29,910 --> 00:09:32,342 bug at an early age. 190 00:09:32,342 --> 00:09:34,946 I remember him entertaining a lot of the kids 191 00:09:34,946 --> 00:09:36,818 out in the driveway one day. 192 00:09:36,818 --> 00:09:38,555 I think he was about six 193 00:09:38,555 --> 00:09:41,413 and he had a Cheech and Chong record. 194 00:09:41,413 --> 00:09:43,796 It was song on there that was a little dirty. 195 00:09:43,796 --> 00:09:45,042 (laughs) 196 00:09:45,042 --> 00:09:48,895 But I didn't know he knew until I was watching him 197 00:09:48,895 --> 00:09:51,381 hold court in the driveway with about six of the 198 00:09:51,381 --> 00:09:54,192 neighborhood kids singing this song. 199 00:09:54,192 --> 00:09:57,813 It was, goin' downtown, gonna see my gal, 200 00:09:57,813 --> 00:10:00,253 gonna sing her a song, gonna show her my ding dong. 201 00:10:00,253 --> 00:10:01,944 (laughs) 202 00:10:01,944 --> 00:10:04,362 And I, Tim, get in here 203 00:10:04,362 --> 00:10:05,844 and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna have 204 00:10:05,844 --> 00:10:06,704 parents calling me. 205 00:10:06,704 --> 00:10:07,979 (telephone rings) 206 00:10:07,979 --> 00:10:10,007 (rock music) 207 00:10:10,007 --> 00:10:10,840 So yeah. 208 00:10:13,255 --> 00:10:16,772 - His sense of humor was so dry but so goofy. 209 00:10:16,772 --> 00:10:18,202 - Do you know the words to the familiar 210 00:10:18,202 --> 00:10:20,805 pop melody, "Mary Had A Little Lamb?" 211 00:10:20,805 --> 00:10:25,719 - Very unique but you knew he was super, super smart 212 00:10:25,719 --> 00:10:27,669 just talkin' to him, you know? 213 00:10:27,669 --> 00:10:29,374 - Tim had a jazz background. 214 00:10:29,374 --> 00:10:32,249 He had heard records that none of us had heard until 215 00:10:32,249 --> 00:10:35,555 our adult years when we decided to go listen to Coltrane 216 00:10:35,555 --> 00:10:37,632 but he is immersed in that. 217 00:10:37,632 --> 00:10:42,632 - My brother and my dad were in a band with Michael Bashaw. 218 00:10:42,660 --> 00:10:44,898 (xylophone music) 219 00:10:44,898 --> 00:10:48,398 - Michael Bashaw is a phenomenal musician. 220 00:10:49,303 --> 00:10:50,704 (string music) 221 00:10:50,704 --> 00:10:54,617 But he's also nationally known for his music sculptures. 222 00:10:54,617 --> 00:10:56,347 (xylophone music) 223 00:10:56,347 --> 00:10:58,153 - Tim was actually still in high school 224 00:10:58,153 --> 00:11:01,158 when he started playing with us he was 16 years old. 225 00:11:01,158 --> 00:11:02,937 Terry asked Timmy to play and we called the group, 226 00:11:02,937 --> 00:11:05,834 The Bridge, first time I heard him play, I mean, 227 00:11:05,834 --> 00:11:07,473 I knew he could really play. 228 00:11:07,473 --> 00:11:10,674 (jazz music) 229 00:11:10,674 --> 00:11:13,417 - I think Tim really loved playing with his dad 230 00:11:13,417 --> 00:11:16,770 like that and he learned so much. 231 00:11:16,770 --> 00:11:18,905 - Timmy brought his own stuff to the group too. 232 00:11:18,905 --> 00:11:21,882 Timmy said, "I got this line I've been foolin' with." 233 00:11:21,882 --> 00:11:24,092 It became a song called The Lazarus Effect. 234 00:11:24,092 --> 00:11:27,306 - This is called The Lazarus Effect. 235 00:11:27,306 --> 00:11:28,867 Gonna try to raise the dead here. 236 00:11:28,867 --> 00:11:30,634 - He had this line he played, goes-- 237 00:11:30,634 --> 00:11:33,051 (scat sings) 238 00:11:46,843 --> 00:11:48,291 You know? 239 00:11:48,291 --> 00:11:49,684 (jazz music) 240 00:11:49,684 --> 00:11:52,519 - Tim coulda gone on and just played in a jazz band 241 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:56,653 with his dad the rest of his life but the thing that 242 00:11:56,653 --> 00:11:59,427 being in a jazz band didn't provide for him was 243 00:11:59,427 --> 00:12:01,816 creating like an entire package. 244 00:12:01,816 --> 00:12:05,056 - When he was in high school, he played the drums, 245 00:12:05,056 --> 00:12:07,659 he played the bass, he learned how to play the guitar. 246 00:12:07,659 --> 00:12:10,122 He was so versatile in all of the different instruments 247 00:12:10,122 --> 00:12:12,766 that he could play and I think he realized at a very young 248 00:12:12,766 --> 00:12:16,404 age that it was better to stand out. 249 00:12:16,404 --> 00:12:18,351 (rock music) 250 00:12:18,351 --> 00:12:19,666 - Dayton is a unique mix. 251 00:12:19,666 --> 00:12:22,102 You went to school in Dayton and half your friends were 252 00:12:22,102 --> 00:12:25,030 locals, like the natives and were briars. 253 00:12:25,030 --> 00:12:27,447 (bell dings) 254 00:12:31,907 --> 00:12:35,365 The other half were the children of either military 255 00:12:35,365 --> 00:12:38,628 personnel or like civilian contractors from the 256 00:12:38,628 --> 00:12:40,578 Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. 257 00:12:40,578 --> 00:12:42,399 - [Narrator] Wright-Patterson, our country's 258 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:45,408 most important military installation. 259 00:12:45,408 --> 00:12:49,522 - All of us in town who were creative or alternative 260 00:12:49,522 --> 00:12:52,642 or different, we found each other really quickly. 261 00:12:52,642 --> 00:12:55,142 Juan and Tim found each other. 262 00:12:55,983 --> 00:12:58,011 - We would try to make music. 263 00:12:58,011 --> 00:12:59,974 We would try to do things with like drum machines 264 00:12:59,974 --> 00:13:04,095 and like keyboards, we tried to do the goth thing. 265 00:13:04,095 --> 00:13:06,435 Even though maybe it was a little bit more glam. 266 00:13:06,435 --> 00:13:08,413 We'd never play out 267 00:13:08,413 --> 00:13:10,571 and we'd sort of never gather up other people. 268 00:13:10,571 --> 00:13:12,209 It was always just me and him. 269 00:13:12,209 --> 00:13:13,769 - They had been 270 00:13:13,769 --> 00:13:16,499 trying to come up with something. 271 00:13:16,499 --> 00:13:20,334 They were clearly like going through mutations. 272 00:13:20,334 --> 00:13:24,065 - Tim started playing with the guys that ended up 273 00:13:24,065 --> 00:13:26,129 being in the Whizz Bangs. 274 00:13:26,129 --> 00:13:28,879 - Whizz Bangs were, I don't know, 275 00:13:30,116 --> 00:13:31,770 it wasn't my kinda thing at all. 276 00:13:31,770 --> 00:13:34,437 - And then Tim sorta forced them 277 00:13:35,644 --> 00:13:38,883 to let me be in the band too. 278 00:13:38,883 --> 00:13:42,921 - Why are they doing this like bad kinda Chili Peppers. 279 00:13:42,921 --> 00:13:46,628 - Musically, I don't think we were ever that really into it. 280 00:13:46,628 --> 00:13:48,980 And, you know, it was still somebody else's thing 281 00:13:48,980 --> 00:13:51,333 and I think we were getting closer to a point where we 282 00:13:51,333 --> 00:13:53,154 wanted to do our own thing. 283 00:13:53,154 --> 00:13:56,080 - But I remember Tim had like a, 284 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,889 like one of those big harmonicas like Stevie Wonder played. 285 00:13:59,889 --> 00:14:01,852 Like with all the notes 286 00:14:01,852 --> 00:14:05,169 and it was like, yeah it was incredible, like, wow, like-- 287 00:14:05,169 --> 00:14:06,286 (chuckles) 288 00:14:06,286 --> 00:14:08,808 You should be the front guy for everything 289 00:14:08,808 --> 00:14:10,909 and we just kinda stole the show. 290 00:14:10,909 --> 00:14:14,143 - And I just remember it was a popular band. 291 00:14:14,143 --> 00:14:17,043 You know, but we just didn't like it. 292 00:14:17,043 --> 00:14:19,357 I was just like, what am I doin', I quit. 293 00:14:19,357 --> 00:14:23,244 I'd rather fail trying to make something that like, 294 00:14:23,244 --> 00:14:25,428 is something that I like than sit there and be loved for 295 00:14:25,428 --> 00:14:27,660 something that you know your heart's not in 296 00:14:27,660 --> 00:14:30,892 and I remember Tim kinda like shyly asking me, he's like, 297 00:14:30,892 --> 00:14:33,570 "Well do you wanna do another band?" 298 00:14:33,570 --> 00:14:36,534 And I was like, really, like, 299 00:14:36,534 --> 00:14:38,172 you wanna be in another band with me? 300 00:14:38,172 --> 00:14:41,123 Like, 'cause I kinda felt like I blew it, you know, 301 00:14:41,123 --> 00:14:43,307 he got me in that band and then I was like, fuck this, 302 00:14:43,307 --> 00:14:45,153 I don't wanna do this and then Tim was like, 303 00:14:45,153 --> 00:14:47,835 "Well if you quit, I quit." 304 00:14:47,835 --> 00:14:49,955 I was like, yeah. 305 00:14:49,955 --> 00:14:52,724 (distorted voices) 306 00:14:52,724 --> 00:14:55,011 And then we just got really excited. 307 00:14:55,011 --> 00:14:57,928 (distorted voices) 308 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,477 (distorted voices) 309 00:15:10,757 --> 00:15:13,340 ♪ Go freaks go ♪ 310 00:15:16,722 --> 00:15:19,358 When Whizz Bangs ended I was like, okay we're gonna do this 311 00:15:19,358 --> 00:15:21,868 thing, if we're gonna do it, then we really gotta do it. 312 00:15:21,868 --> 00:15:24,324 Then we started thinking about who 313 00:15:24,324 --> 00:15:26,222 do we want to be in this band? 314 00:15:26,222 --> 00:15:27,873 You had to have a great drummer. 315 00:15:27,873 --> 00:15:30,148 Like, as long as you had a great drummer, 316 00:15:30,148 --> 00:15:31,822 you could be a great band. 317 00:15:31,822 --> 00:15:34,968 (rock music) 318 00:15:34,968 --> 00:15:37,153 I mean, I don't know how old Tyler was. 319 00:15:37,153 --> 00:15:39,063 I mean, for all I know, he was 19 years old. 320 00:15:39,063 --> 00:15:42,301 I don't know but he was, maybe he was still in high school. 321 00:15:42,301 --> 00:15:44,656 He looked like he was 12 and that was the thing. 322 00:15:44,656 --> 00:15:46,330 We used to call him The Kid, it's like 323 00:15:46,330 --> 00:15:49,087 the boy genius kind of thing. 324 00:15:49,087 --> 00:15:51,492 I just remember he was around 325 00:15:51,492 --> 00:15:53,075 and he was The Kid. 326 00:15:54,469 --> 00:15:57,662 - So we just kind of arranged kind of a try out 327 00:15:57,662 --> 00:16:00,444 which was a trip because both Tim 328 00:16:00,444 --> 00:16:02,849 and Juan had like hair down to their butts. 329 00:16:02,849 --> 00:16:05,348 Tim had on like this black leather jacket with like 330 00:16:05,348 --> 00:16:08,700 a faux rabbit fur vest over top of it. 331 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:11,364 And they both just looked amazing, they're like rock stars 332 00:16:11,364 --> 00:16:12,535 and I was so intimidated. 333 00:16:12,535 --> 00:16:14,564 - I don't really remember him being nervous. 334 00:16:14,564 --> 00:16:18,118 I just remember him being great like, right from the get go 335 00:16:18,118 --> 00:16:21,103 and it's like when we got Tyler, you know he just, 336 00:16:21,103 --> 00:16:23,020 we just knew he was it. 337 00:16:25,049 --> 00:16:26,316 So Michelle-- 338 00:16:26,316 --> 00:16:28,581 (rock music) 339 00:16:28,581 --> 00:16:29,414 - The Bodine. 340 00:16:29,414 --> 00:16:30,481 (rock music) 341 00:16:30,481 --> 00:16:31,964 Hair's such a big deal in Dayton. 342 00:16:31,964 --> 00:16:33,394 (laughs) 343 00:16:33,394 --> 00:16:36,581 - Michelle and her brother were local fixtures. 344 00:16:36,581 --> 00:16:38,686 - We'd cruise around and look for parties and 345 00:16:38,686 --> 00:16:40,987 just pull out our equipment and just start 346 00:16:40,987 --> 00:16:43,030 jammin' at parties, you know? 347 00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:46,276 - They grew up with a Les Paul of their dad's 348 00:16:46,276 --> 00:16:48,694 and a Marshall stack next to their crib. 349 00:16:48,694 --> 00:16:50,632 - Scott and I figured that we're at least 350 00:16:50,632 --> 00:16:53,143 fifth generation guitar players. 351 00:16:53,143 --> 00:16:56,339 My grandma and grandpa Bodine were in a band together. 352 00:16:56,339 --> 00:17:00,485 Funny story, they would go to these chicken fights 353 00:17:00,485 --> 00:17:04,659 and they were like the music for chicken fights. 354 00:17:04,659 --> 00:17:05,764 - Seriously? - Yes. 355 00:17:05,764 --> 00:17:07,847 (laughs) 356 00:17:09,158 --> 00:17:10,330 That's crazy. 357 00:17:10,330 --> 00:17:11,163 - [Director] What kind of music do they 358 00:17:11,163 --> 00:17:12,148 play at a chicken fight? 359 00:17:12,148 --> 00:17:15,463 - They played like boogie woogie kinda stuff so. 360 00:17:15,463 --> 00:17:17,048 (laughs) 361 00:17:17,048 --> 00:17:20,350 - And even in a town full of rockers, 362 00:17:20,350 --> 00:17:21,859 you'd notice her right away. 363 00:17:21,859 --> 00:17:24,504 - Besides her being super talented, there weren't always 364 00:17:24,504 --> 00:17:26,688 a lot of females in the bands back then. 365 00:17:26,688 --> 00:17:30,911 - And she was no poser, she could hang with any of 'em 366 00:17:30,911 --> 00:17:32,655 and she can really play guitar. 367 00:17:32,655 --> 00:17:37,655 - She just personified perfect chick guitarist at that time. 368 00:17:37,673 --> 00:17:42,600 - Tim just came up to me one time at a show and asked me 369 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,602 if I wanted to play with him and Juan. 370 00:17:44,602 --> 00:17:48,086 - The people you are with, you know, they bring more to it 371 00:17:48,086 --> 00:17:50,920 than just their musical ability because being in a band 372 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,856 is so much about personalities and like that sort of like, 373 00:17:55,856 --> 00:17:57,629 the sort of chemical interaction between 374 00:17:57,629 --> 00:18:00,280 people that make, you know, the music. 375 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,699 (rock music) 376 00:18:02,699 --> 00:18:05,288 - We had a lot of bands that we just loved. 377 00:18:05,288 --> 00:18:08,328 - If I was gonna trace the sort of path of the way it went-- 378 00:18:08,328 --> 00:18:10,955 - I know we listened to a lot of Sonic Youth. 379 00:18:10,955 --> 00:18:11,788 - The Stooges. 380 00:18:11,788 --> 00:18:12,769 - The Cure. 381 00:18:12,769 --> 00:18:14,089 - We liked Jawbox. 382 00:18:14,089 --> 00:18:15,106 - And Bauhaus. 383 00:18:15,106 --> 00:18:16,091 - And I liked New Wave. 384 00:18:16,091 --> 00:18:17,963 - That jazz stuff was a big deal. 385 00:18:17,963 --> 00:18:18,977 - The Beastie Boys. 386 00:18:18,977 --> 00:18:19,810 - Joy Division. 387 00:18:19,810 --> 00:18:22,619 - Led Zeppelin, AC/DC and Black Sabbath. 388 00:18:22,619 --> 00:18:23,852 - Nation of Ulysses. 389 00:18:23,852 --> 00:18:24,957 - I love Devo. 390 00:18:24,957 --> 00:18:27,201 - I mean, and we were definitely interested in funk. 391 00:18:27,201 --> 00:18:29,476 - I didn't think they'd wanna listen to 392 00:18:29,476 --> 00:18:31,037 the heavier stuff like I liked. 393 00:18:31,037 --> 00:18:33,951 - Psycho Sluts From Hell. 394 00:18:33,951 --> 00:18:35,072 (laughter) 395 00:18:35,072 --> 00:18:36,671 Transposes over keys, I'd be like, 396 00:18:36,671 --> 00:18:39,193 do it like a dog, do it like a dog. 397 00:18:39,193 --> 00:18:40,922 - Yeah, that's pretty much all I listened to. 398 00:18:40,922 --> 00:18:44,978 - We sorta had some broad ideas about what it might be 399 00:18:44,978 --> 00:18:48,943 and then, you know, that sort of progressed but 400 00:18:48,943 --> 00:18:50,335 what were we talking about? 401 00:18:50,335 --> 00:18:51,471 Sorry. (laughs) 402 00:18:51,471 --> 00:18:55,361 - Tim and Juan already had some songs written a little bit. 403 00:18:55,361 --> 00:18:57,330 Well mainly it was Tim that wrote everything but they 404 00:18:57,330 --> 00:19:00,009 had 'em worked out and so they showed 'em to me. 405 00:19:00,009 --> 00:19:01,971 - I think the very first song I played to 406 00:19:01,971 --> 00:19:03,921 kinda try out was "I Could Own You." 407 00:19:03,921 --> 00:19:06,338 (rock music) 408 00:19:09,058 --> 00:19:12,542 And that's when I just knew, wow, this is incredible. 409 00:19:12,542 --> 00:19:16,052 ♪ Child turn down the heat my brain is boiling ♪ 410 00:19:16,052 --> 00:19:18,953 ♪ Can't boss you around 'cause you enjoy it ♪ 411 00:19:18,953 --> 00:19:22,508 ♪ You dig me so when I'm slacking proves that you're lacking ♪ 412 00:19:22,508 --> 00:19:26,776 ♪ Safety pins are back in style ♪ 413 00:19:26,776 --> 00:19:28,544 - When I first moved in with those guys 414 00:19:28,544 --> 00:19:32,697 they still rehearsed in our basement and I couldn't believe 415 00:19:32,697 --> 00:19:35,386 what was comin' out from the floorboards. 416 00:19:35,386 --> 00:19:37,803 (rock music) 417 00:19:42,265 --> 00:19:45,866 - We knew he was workin' on somethin' but had no idea. 418 00:19:45,866 --> 00:19:48,244 - Tim wrote songs like probably every day. 419 00:19:48,244 --> 00:19:51,390 He had a new song almost every practice. 420 00:19:51,390 --> 00:19:53,962 - He would basically come with the songs completely done 421 00:19:53,962 --> 00:19:57,059 with all the parts for everybody to play 422 00:19:57,059 --> 00:19:59,787 and he'd be like the beat is like this. 423 00:19:59,787 --> 00:20:02,777 (drum music) 424 00:20:02,777 --> 00:20:04,194 This is the guitar part. 425 00:20:04,194 --> 00:20:07,522 (guitar music) 426 00:20:07,522 --> 00:20:09,186 Here's what the bass is like. 427 00:20:09,186 --> 00:20:12,917 (bass guitar music) 428 00:20:12,917 --> 00:20:17,077 And he would have it sort of all worked out in his mind. 429 00:20:17,077 --> 00:20:19,756 He sorta put all those pieces together 430 00:20:19,756 --> 00:20:22,447 and we had a list of names so I think 431 00:20:22,447 --> 00:20:24,022 the name's on there were Shesus. 432 00:20:24,022 --> 00:20:26,546 - One name that I remember was We'll Eat Anything. 433 00:20:26,546 --> 00:20:27,976 - Popgun. 434 00:20:27,976 --> 00:20:30,069 - The Girl Who Met Ozzy. 435 00:20:30,069 --> 00:20:32,559 Because Michelle had just recently met Ozzy. 436 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:34,146 (laughs) 437 00:20:34,146 --> 00:20:38,464 - And then Brainiac and I got that out of a comic book 438 00:20:38,464 --> 00:20:42,778 price guide that I bought when I was into comic books and 439 00:20:42,778 --> 00:20:46,886 we pretty much unanimously picked Brainiac. 440 00:20:46,886 --> 00:20:50,890 - When Brainiac started because of all the electro funk 441 00:20:50,890 --> 00:20:53,648 in the early 80s, like Dayton, it was so prominent. 442 00:20:53,648 --> 00:20:56,987 By like 1990 there's just all these moogs like 443 00:20:56,987 --> 00:20:59,717 sitting in the pawn shop that weren't 444 00:20:59,717 --> 00:21:02,028 cool anymore and Tim snatched 'em up. 445 00:21:02,028 --> 00:21:06,373 - Having that keyboard, he would sound out Prince songs 446 00:21:06,373 --> 00:21:10,143 for hours and hours, I'm like, stop that! 447 00:21:10,143 --> 00:21:11,418 (laughs) 448 00:21:11,418 --> 00:21:14,082 It would make you crazy, he'd do the same song for like 449 00:21:14,082 --> 00:21:17,956 two hours, you know, 'cause it was so fascinating to him. 450 00:21:17,956 --> 00:21:21,869 I think that got his charge started, gettin' that keyboard. 451 00:21:21,869 --> 00:21:23,248 - I mean I just thought he was like 452 00:21:23,248 --> 00:21:25,574 a musical genius, really, I mean he could play pretty much 453 00:21:25,574 --> 00:21:29,942 anything and he could sing and he had these great ideas. 454 00:21:29,942 --> 00:21:32,425 - Tim was on his own artistic journey 455 00:21:32,425 --> 00:21:35,428 to the point of even resisting us sometimes. 456 00:21:35,428 --> 00:21:39,250 Tim would do this thing and I think Tyler 457 00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:40,914 will tell you about this too. 458 00:21:40,914 --> 00:21:43,086 - He'd bring a new song to practice 459 00:21:43,086 --> 00:21:45,577 and it would be like really catchy. 460 00:21:45,577 --> 00:21:49,950 - [Juan] And then you'd be like, oh my god, it's so cool. 461 00:21:49,950 --> 00:21:52,910 - [Tyler] I mean just like an instant overnight success. 462 00:21:52,910 --> 00:21:55,159 - [Juan] And he'd be like, oh yeah? 463 00:21:55,159 --> 00:21:57,369 And then that song would just disappear. 464 00:21:57,369 --> 00:21:59,242 - [Tyler] And then just slowly deconstruct it 465 00:21:59,242 --> 00:22:00,211 and do a Brainiac song. 466 00:22:00,211 --> 00:22:01,300 (laughs) 467 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:02,587 You know? 468 00:22:02,587 --> 00:22:05,775 - [Juan] Would just come back so fucking weird and mangled. 469 00:22:05,775 --> 00:22:08,684 Anytime you told him that something, if it was like, 470 00:22:08,684 --> 00:22:10,718 oh my god, that's amazing, this is gonna be a hit, 471 00:22:10,718 --> 00:22:13,626 it would just be like, oh you think that, okay. 472 00:22:13,626 --> 00:22:16,707 You had to be very careful about how you liked a song. 473 00:22:16,707 --> 00:22:18,716 You'd have to kind of like hold it in and be like, 474 00:22:18,716 --> 00:22:22,539 oh my god, I like that song so much. 475 00:22:22,539 --> 00:22:26,803 He just was not interested in writing hits, like, 476 00:22:26,803 --> 00:22:29,299 he wanted it to be something beyond, you know what I mean? 477 00:22:29,299 --> 00:22:33,603 It wasn't just like, oh yeah, that song sounds like 478 00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:36,077 Nirvana, or whatever, it's like, this song would sound 479 00:22:36,077 --> 00:22:40,338 great on the radio, he was just like, nope. 480 00:22:40,338 --> 00:22:44,003 And so we make that demo, that's the demo that we 481 00:22:44,003 --> 00:22:47,382 must have sent right away to Mike. 482 00:22:47,382 --> 00:22:50,673 - We were getting like hundreds of demo tapes a year. 483 00:22:50,673 --> 00:22:53,650 It was one tape that stood out out of hundreds 484 00:22:53,650 --> 00:22:56,148 and it was guys I knew that I had grown up with. 485 00:22:56,148 --> 00:22:58,347 - Which was cool because he put out a 486 00:22:58,347 --> 00:23:00,573 Smashing Pumpkins seven inch 487 00:23:00,573 --> 00:23:03,428 before anyone knew who they even were. 488 00:23:03,428 --> 00:23:06,442 Yeah he put out our very first seven inch ever. 489 00:23:06,442 --> 00:23:09,185 - It was not just a song, it was a whole package. 490 00:23:09,185 --> 00:23:11,408 It was a band and a concept. 491 00:23:11,408 --> 00:23:13,825 (rock music) 492 00:23:16,322 --> 00:23:19,780 I still can't put together how you listen to that much 493 00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:24,280 Bach and jazz and then put that into a distorted moog. 494 00:23:25,877 --> 00:23:27,983 There's no explaining how Brainiac 495 00:23:27,983 --> 00:23:30,566 came out the other end of that. 496 00:23:31,709 --> 00:23:35,292 - He brought the tape home and he says, "Listen to this, 497 00:23:35,292 --> 00:23:37,952 this is the new band," and I said, "Okay." 498 00:23:37,952 --> 00:23:40,657 And he played it for me and I didn't react a whole lot. 499 00:23:40,657 --> 00:23:42,697 Last thing I wanted to do was hurt his feelings but it 500 00:23:42,697 --> 00:23:45,363 wasn't really, didn't really get it then 501 00:23:45,363 --> 00:23:47,144 'till I listened to it more. 502 00:23:47,144 --> 00:23:48,470 - [Director] So tell me about the first time that you 503 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:51,136 went and saw the band, like, what were your impressions? 504 00:23:51,136 --> 00:23:52,748 - Oh boy. 505 00:23:52,748 --> 00:23:54,789 (rock music) 506 00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:58,358 - Felt like I was in a time capsule spinnin' to the future 507 00:23:58,358 --> 00:24:01,775 which was now, it was like, what is this? 508 00:24:05,473 --> 00:24:07,659 ♪ Now they're walking on our face ♪ 509 00:24:07,659 --> 00:24:10,141 ♪ Put some at ease carefully replaced ♪ 510 00:24:10,141 --> 00:24:12,974 - And I remember being absolutely like, 511 00:24:12,974 --> 00:24:15,184 so blown away and that was it. 512 00:24:15,184 --> 00:24:17,708 ♪ Rot yourself away ♪ 513 00:24:17,708 --> 00:24:19,799 ♪ Shout every day ♪ 514 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:21,556 ♪ Rot yourself away ♪ 515 00:24:21,556 --> 00:24:23,987 - Like, just watching like, one of the best bands you've 516 00:24:23,987 --> 00:24:27,940 ever seen and it's like, that's weird, I know those guys. 517 00:24:27,940 --> 00:24:30,122 - I was just like, 518 00:24:30,122 --> 00:24:32,231 who is this guy up on stage? 519 00:24:32,231 --> 00:24:36,062 - I had never seen Timmy as a front man and really, 520 00:24:36,062 --> 00:24:38,901 talk about charisma, he exuded it. 521 00:24:38,901 --> 00:24:42,629 - You'd look around and the crowd was just, 522 00:24:42,629 --> 00:24:44,709 they had 'em, they had the crowd. 523 00:24:44,709 --> 00:24:47,284 - And it was 25 minutes long and you didn't think, 524 00:24:47,284 --> 00:24:49,376 oh my god, why didn't they play longer, you thought, 525 00:24:49,376 --> 00:24:53,126 oh my god, we made it through the 25 minutes. 526 00:24:54,045 --> 00:24:55,837 I think that is what I came away with 527 00:24:55,837 --> 00:24:57,605 the most the first time. 528 00:24:57,605 --> 00:24:59,605 Was thinking, holy shit, 529 00:25:00,546 --> 00:25:02,688 if they played one more minute, somethin' 530 00:25:02,688 --> 00:25:04,160 woulda gone wrong here. 531 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,358 Like, I'm completely convinced that somethin' was gonna 532 00:25:07,358 --> 00:25:08,971 break, somethin' was gonna burn, 533 00:25:08,971 --> 00:25:12,844 someone was gonna bleed, something could explode. 534 00:25:12,844 --> 00:25:16,302 Or all of those things like, it was, 535 00:25:16,302 --> 00:25:17,719 yeah, I've never, 536 00:25:20,917 --> 00:25:24,584 I never seen anything like those 25 minutes. 537 00:25:25,532 --> 00:25:26,365 Ever. 538 00:25:35,641 --> 00:25:38,744 ♪ What they sing about on Mars ♪ 539 00:25:38,744 --> 00:25:41,948 ♪ We don't know yet but soon we may ♪ 540 00:25:41,948 --> 00:25:45,157 ♪ When we can ride in rocket cars ♪ 541 00:25:45,157 --> 00:25:48,662 ♪ To visit Mars some day ♪ 542 00:25:48,662 --> 00:25:52,398 ♪ What they think about on Mars ♪ 543 00:25:52,398 --> 00:25:55,013 - I wanna picture someone visiting our planet and 544 00:25:55,013 --> 00:25:57,339 listening in and they hear Brainiac 545 00:25:57,339 --> 00:26:00,381 and they go, what the fuck is goin' on in that planet? 546 00:26:00,381 --> 00:26:02,798 (rock music) 547 00:26:07,782 --> 00:26:10,183 - I don't think I had set foot in Dayton 548 00:26:10,183 --> 00:26:12,861 until the mid 90s when my band, Shellac 549 00:26:12,861 --> 00:26:15,265 played a show there with Brainiac. 550 00:26:15,265 --> 00:26:18,092 - My love of Dayton started because of Brainiac. 551 00:26:18,092 --> 00:26:20,067 - We didn't even think of them as a band from Dayton. 552 00:26:20,067 --> 00:26:22,759 We thought of them as like, who is this great band? 553 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,926 - It's like Ohio bands are just weird, 554 00:26:27,232 --> 00:26:28,654 weird fruit, you know? 555 00:26:28,654 --> 00:26:30,422 - Devo and Chrissie Hynde and just like 556 00:26:30,422 --> 00:26:33,542 understanding like why is Ohio so cool? 557 00:26:33,542 --> 00:26:36,106 - There was some martian-ism going on there. 558 00:26:36,106 --> 00:26:38,392 - Yeah, Dayton, what's going on over there? 559 00:26:38,392 --> 00:26:40,300 Course some weird shit's gonna be comin' out. 560 00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:43,190 I love that, I love seeing that that's the underbelly 561 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:46,921 of America, you know, it's not just what's on the radio. 562 00:26:46,921 --> 00:26:50,404 There's this strange rumblings coming out of nothing 563 00:26:50,404 --> 00:26:52,628 assembling something really interesting. 564 00:26:52,628 --> 00:26:54,317 - It's what's in the water. 565 00:26:54,317 --> 00:26:56,176 All that plus Wright-Patterson Air Force Base 566 00:26:56,176 --> 00:26:59,206 is supposedly where all the aliens are stored from UFO 567 00:26:59,206 --> 00:27:03,251 crash sites so we all grew up absorbing all the radiation. 568 00:27:03,251 --> 00:27:05,134 - We could've moved to LA, we could've moved to New York 569 00:27:05,134 --> 00:27:08,422 but I thought it's so much cooler to be from parts unknown. 570 00:27:08,422 --> 00:27:10,804 You know, I'd rather be the guy that like, 571 00:27:10,804 --> 00:27:13,215 the gunslinger who just shows up 572 00:27:13,215 --> 00:27:16,860 and you're like, where did that guy come from? 573 00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:17,693 (gun shot) 574 00:27:17,693 --> 00:27:20,519 Also with hip hop, they'd be like 575 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:22,002 rappin' about where they're from. 576 00:27:22,002 --> 00:27:23,694 ♪ Comin' up in Compton ♪ 577 00:27:23,694 --> 00:27:25,246 ♪ Bed-Stuy do or die ♪ 578 00:27:25,246 --> 00:27:27,496 And I was like, this is it. 579 00:27:28,451 --> 00:27:29,284 Parts unknown. 580 00:27:29,284 --> 00:27:32,461 - Back then if you said you were from Dayton, 581 00:27:32,461 --> 00:27:34,863 people were like, oh Dayton, oh, you know, 582 00:27:34,863 --> 00:27:37,299 or like, how's that? 583 00:27:37,299 --> 00:27:39,649 - We love this town and we loved the 584 00:27:39,649 --> 00:27:42,158 creative flow that was in Dayton. 585 00:27:42,158 --> 00:27:44,576 - You know, there's so much that has come from here. 586 00:27:44,576 --> 00:27:46,356 - [Narrator] Industry and its output 587 00:27:46,356 --> 00:27:48,892 is representative of Dayton. 588 00:27:48,892 --> 00:27:50,061 - Great music. 589 00:27:50,061 --> 00:27:52,478 (funk music) 590 00:27:54,965 --> 00:27:57,447 We're proud of being from here. 591 00:27:57,447 --> 00:28:02,280 - It was like our thing, it didn't belong to anybody else. 592 00:28:03,545 --> 00:28:06,318 - We're Brainiac and we are different. 593 00:28:06,318 --> 00:28:08,879 We're different, you like that? 594 00:28:08,879 --> 00:28:09,712 Thank you. - So that was like, 595 00:28:09,712 --> 00:28:11,248 it was a huge deal to us. 596 00:28:11,248 --> 00:28:14,248 We were like, yeah Dayton, fuck you. 597 00:28:15,542 --> 00:28:18,536 - I walked in after work and walked into the kitchen 598 00:28:18,536 --> 00:28:20,428 and there were just t-shirts hanging everywhere and 599 00:28:20,428 --> 00:28:23,538 Juan and Tim were busy hanging them up to dry. 600 00:28:23,538 --> 00:28:27,047 The first thought was, hey, great, they're making t-shirts 601 00:28:27,047 --> 00:28:29,245 and then I started looking closer and then I saw the back 602 00:28:29,245 --> 00:28:32,806 of it and you know, I saw the famous, 603 00:28:32,806 --> 00:28:34,031 fuck y'all we're from Dayton. 604 00:28:34,031 --> 00:28:34,864 (chuckles) 605 00:28:34,864 --> 00:28:37,400 - You're gonna actually put that on a shirt, you know and, 606 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,819 they're like yeah, I'm like, well, okay. 607 00:28:39,819 --> 00:28:40,967 (laughs) 608 00:28:40,967 --> 00:28:44,467 - It was brilliant, it was this home town, 609 00:28:45,665 --> 00:28:47,356 they definitely weren't bastards. 610 00:28:47,356 --> 00:28:50,931 - I'm tellin' ya, the mayor shoulda been payin' us. 611 00:28:50,931 --> 00:28:52,894 - And at first I was just kinda mortified, I thought, 612 00:28:52,894 --> 00:28:57,717 oh no, this is gonna cause some trouble but you know, 613 00:28:57,717 --> 00:28:59,056 it didn't take me long to warm up to it 614 00:28:59,056 --> 00:29:02,410 and I actually thought it was kinda funny. 615 00:29:02,410 --> 00:29:06,727 - That's the brilliant mind of Juan Monasterio. 616 00:29:06,727 --> 00:29:08,402 Juan was so, he was awesome, he did 617 00:29:08,402 --> 00:29:11,080 all of our artwork, all of our album covers. 618 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,863 - Tim and Juan were both so focused, Tim was basically 619 00:29:14,863 --> 00:29:17,320 in charge of all the music and Juan was 620 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,803 just like such a smart business person. 621 00:29:19,803 --> 00:29:22,299 - Juan was not only willing to do the job 622 00:29:22,299 --> 00:29:25,168 and to make the phone calls but he was really good at it. 623 00:29:25,168 --> 00:29:27,876 - So I really took on that part of like, 624 00:29:27,876 --> 00:29:29,151 well we're not just gonna sit here and 625 00:29:29,151 --> 00:29:30,580 be the biggest band in Dayton. 626 00:29:30,580 --> 00:29:32,804 - So yeah and then we just started, 627 00:29:32,804 --> 00:29:35,637 just touring, we just went for it. 628 00:29:36,638 --> 00:29:38,796 ♪ My candidate is a stickler for fashion ♪ 629 00:29:38,796 --> 00:29:43,796 ♪ Better than a robot's got superior action ♪ 630 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,185 - We had bought like a $400 van and we'd give ourselves 631 00:29:48,185 --> 00:29:51,712 five dollars a day and we slept on people's floors. 632 00:29:51,712 --> 00:29:53,274 - We did a lot of that. 633 00:29:53,274 --> 00:29:56,736 A lot of announcing at the end of the show, 634 00:29:56,736 --> 00:29:59,297 hey can we crash at somebody's house? 635 00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:01,650 - Yeah, I need a place to crash because 636 00:30:01,650 --> 00:30:04,315 this bar is paying us $50 tonight 637 00:30:04,315 --> 00:30:08,315 and the next gig is $95 worth of gas money away. 638 00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:12,728 - I remember people lookin' at us like-- 639 00:30:12,728 --> 00:30:15,760 ♪ Back to again for real can't you see ♪ 640 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,463 What in the world is this? 641 00:30:17,463 --> 00:30:19,310 ♪ And they never seen me ♪ 642 00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:21,546 I thought it was a good sign really. 643 00:30:21,546 --> 00:30:24,356 You know, 'cause it was makin' people think 644 00:30:24,356 --> 00:30:27,760 and like experience somethin' totally different. 645 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,517 - When you just believe in it 100% there was never a 646 00:30:31,517 --> 00:30:34,091 feeling like, oh we're gonna play this music in front 647 00:30:34,091 --> 00:30:36,912 of people and if they don't get it, 648 00:30:36,912 --> 00:30:38,654 that means this music sucks. 649 00:30:38,654 --> 00:30:41,150 It was even funnier if they didn't understand it 650 00:30:41,150 --> 00:30:45,737 because then you're like, you know, who are you? 651 00:30:45,737 --> 00:30:50,654 - We played one show in Birmingham, Alabama to zero people. 652 00:30:51,719 --> 00:30:55,052 And that was a really good show too. 653 00:30:55,052 --> 00:30:57,802 - Still, you know, either playing to hardly anybody or 654 00:30:57,802 --> 00:30:59,459 playing to a packed house, you know, 655 00:30:59,459 --> 00:31:02,617 it was always different, it wasn't consistent. 656 00:31:02,617 --> 00:31:04,541 I remember we did get a show with Fugazi. 657 00:31:04,541 --> 00:31:07,453 It was in the middle of the week in Illinois 658 00:31:07,453 --> 00:31:09,937 and it was at last minute, we had to drop everything 659 00:31:09,937 --> 00:31:12,146 to drive there and that was a big crowd 660 00:31:12,146 --> 00:31:14,591 that was over 1,000 people. 661 00:31:14,591 --> 00:31:17,164 - How quickly in the span of a year they went from 662 00:31:17,164 --> 00:31:20,597 literally begging me to put out their record to me begging 663 00:31:20,597 --> 00:31:23,859 them not to leave my label for a bigger label because 664 00:31:23,859 --> 00:31:28,442 it was quick, I mean it was genuine competition for who 665 00:31:29,748 --> 00:31:33,713 could put out the first Brainiac real record. 666 00:31:33,713 --> 00:31:35,132 And I lost but I mean. 667 00:31:35,132 --> 00:31:37,498 (laughs) 668 00:31:37,498 --> 00:31:39,351 - And then that's when I got the call from Camille. 669 00:31:39,351 --> 00:31:41,119 - Juan sent a tape with artwork on it. 670 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:43,020 It was really a cool looking tape 671 00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:44,832 but I remember the first time we heard it. 672 00:31:44,832 --> 00:31:47,285 (rock music) 673 00:31:47,285 --> 00:31:49,603 I was playing it so loud that people from upstairs 674 00:31:49,603 --> 00:31:50,773 were coming down to hear it. 675 00:31:50,773 --> 00:31:53,893 I've gotten good bands along the way but not like them. 676 00:31:53,893 --> 00:31:56,519 Not like when my heart was coming out of my chest. 677 00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:59,289 Just that, you know, that we were gonna sign them. 678 00:31:59,289 --> 00:32:01,706 (rock music) 679 00:32:04,502 --> 00:32:07,310 - The next step was, you know, recording a record. 680 00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:09,885 One of our favorite bands that we just couldn't 681 00:32:09,885 --> 00:32:13,459 get enough of was Nation of Ulysses. 682 00:32:13,459 --> 00:32:16,086 - Every part of what they were doing, Tim and I 683 00:32:16,086 --> 00:32:18,258 were like, oh this is what we wanna do. 684 00:32:18,258 --> 00:32:20,312 Whatever they had, we wanted it too. 685 00:32:20,312 --> 00:32:22,845 - And so, you know, just looking at the credits on the 686 00:32:22,845 --> 00:32:25,940 back of the record, we saw that it was produced by this 687 00:32:25,940 --> 00:32:28,930 guy names Eli Janney so we were like, we gotta get 688 00:32:28,930 --> 00:32:30,803 this guy to do our record. 689 00:32:30,803 --> 00:32:32,434 - I think that they were just calling 690 00:32:32,434 --> 00:32:36,170 a bunch of people whose work they liked 691 00:32:36,170 --> 00:32:39,016 and I was like, sure, you know, do you have any demos 692 00:32:39,016 --> 00:32:42,084 or whatever, send me some stuff and so they sent me these 693 00:32:42,084 --> 00:32:45,519 crazy ass demos and I was like, this is great! 694 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:48,036 ♪ Stop your hands for dinner ♪ 695 00:32:48,036 --> 00:32:50,182 And they wanna work with me, that's even cooler. 696 00:32:50,182 --> 00:32:52,110 (laughs) 697 00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:54,840 - We were totally shocked that he'd agreed to do it. 698 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,181 - 'Cause he was also in Girls Against Boys. 699 00:32:58,181 --> 00:33:01,362 I think that they were like at that time the most 700 00:33:01,362 --> 00:33:03,902 heavily courted band by the major labels. 701 00:33:03,902 --> 00:33:06,901 - To us, they were like, you know, oh they're signed 702 00:33:06,901 --> 00:33:08,923 and they know all these people so we could like barely 703 00:33:08,923 --> 00:33:11,167 look them in the eye, you must, I don't know, 704 00:33:11,167 --> 00:33:13,448 like, are you a millionaire? 705 00:33:13,448 --> 00:33:16,035 - 1991 I had no job and no money, 706 00:33:16,035 --> 00:33:18,035 I was pretty miserable, yeah. 707 00:33:18,035 --> 00:33:20,778 We lived in a warehouse that didn't have a kitchen. 708 00:33:20,778 --> 00:33:22,676 It just barely had a bathroom, it was just a 709 00:33:22,676 --> 00:33:24,474 huge empty warehouse space. 710 00:33:24,474 --> 00:33:26,061 - We had a lot of people staying there and people would 711 00:33:26,061 --> 00:33:27,422 just like put sleeping bags-- 712 00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:28,904 - Right. - On the ground and 713 00:33:28,904 --> 00:33:29,974 you'd kinda wake up and be like 714 00:33:29,974 --> 00:33:31,888 who the hell's here, you know? 715 00:33:31,888 --> 00:33:35,502 - One advantage of living in a giant warehouse is that, 716 00:33:35,502 --> 00:33:37,459 and you can stay with us, no problem, 717 00:33:37,459 --> 00:33:38,544 we have plenty of space. 718 00:33:38,544 --> 00:33:43,242 It was awesome, it was great just like livin' the dream but 719 00:33:43,242 --> 00:33:45,305 it was really bad, the neighborhood was so bad. 720 00:33:45,305 --> 00:33:50,305 Somebody sawed through our wall and robbed us like with a 721 00:33:50,596 --> 00:33:54,366 electric saw, like, how does that happen? 722 00:33:54,366 --> 00:33:55,758 That was good times, bro. 723 00:33:55,758 --> 00:33:57,929 (laughs) 724 00:33:57,929 --> 00:33:59,983 - So he brought us up there 725 00:33:59,983 --> 00:34:03,532 to New York to record that record, 726 00:34:03,532 --> 00:34:05,199 to record Smack Bunny Baby. 727 00:34:05,199 --> 00:34:07,616 (rock music) 728 00:34:08,623 --> 00:34:10,690 - I put on Smack Bunny Baby and-- 729 00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:13,107 (rock music) 730 00:34:17,086 --> 00:34:20,253 It sounded so depraved and so maniacal 731 00:34:21,584 --> 00:34:23,584 and just so evil genius. 732 00:34:24,873 --> 00:34:27,790 ♪ Don't mellow out ♪ 733 00:34:29,426 --> 00:34:31,714 - At that point, there weren't any bands 734 00:34:31,714 --> 00:34:34,406 that sounded like Brainiac, I mean there wasn't, 735 00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:36,941 they weren't like the next generation of something else. 736 00:34:36,941 --> 00:34:39,112 They were completely unique. 737 00:34:39,112 --> 00:34:43,987 - The integration of the noise colliding with the 738 00:34:43,987 --> 00:34:48,149 melodic sense, clearly they were the whole package. 739 00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:50,787 - No indie record you could ever listen to at that level 740 00:34:50,787 --> 00:34:53,986 at that time compares, it just blew 741 00:34:53,986 --> 00:34:56,495 everybody away, it wasn't just me. 742 00:34:56,495 --> 00:34:59,045 - The picture that was painted sonically in my mind 743 00:34:59,045 --> 00:35:02,267 when I would hear them was so fantastic. 744 00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:04,684 (rock music) 745 00:35:09,001 --> 00:35:10,168 I would try to 746 00:35:11,484 --> 00:35:14,980 emulate or find where he got a lot of those vocal effect 747 00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:18,373 ideas, you know, and you can't find 'em. 748 00:35:18,373 --> 00:35:20,012 - There was like an early vocal effect, I don't know how 749 00:35:20,012 --> 00:35:21,509 he did it, if it was a pedal or what. 750 00:35:21,509 --> 00:35:23,820 - They would tell me things like oh well he's just making 751 00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:26,570 up noises with his mouth as well. 752 00:35:28,503 --> 00:35:31,118 So that adds to the legend. 753 00:35:31,118 --> 00:35:36,118 - Really, I never rolled him back 'cause I was just like, 754 00:35:36,172 --> 00:35:39,136 it's genius, you know, it always seemed to enhance what he 755 00:35:39,136 --> 00:35:40,903 was kinda doing, I was like, yeah, 756 00:35:40,903 --> 00:35:42,807 let's try it, let's just do it. 757 00:35:42,807 --> 00:35:43,991 (rock music) 758 00:35:43,991 --> 00:35:46,650 Most of the recording with them was really just kinda like 759 00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:49,947 trying to get outta the way 'cause their group mind 760 00:35:49,947 --> 00:35:53,724 worked very fast, and it was like we wanna make that 761 00:35:53,724 --> 00:35:56,668 really distorted and messed up but not through a 762 00:35:56,668 --> 00:35:58,475 traditional amp, like what can we do? 763 00:35:58,475 --> 00:36:00,464 And so I was like, okay here how about this? 764 00:36:00,464 --> 00:36:02,972 I got this toy, let's try that, let's just plug it into 765 00:36:02,972 --> 00:36:05,107 a mic pre that you're not supposed to do and turn it up 766 00:36:05,107 --> 00:36:08,025 all the way and just see what happens and that's how a lot 767 00:36:08,025 --> 00:36:11,444 of that stuff was made just doing stuff intentionally the 768 00:36:11,444 --> 00:36:14,468 wrong way to get a unique sound out of it and that was 769 00:36:14,468 --> 00:36:19,076 definitely a hallmark of that band just like, it was cool. 770 00:36:19,076 --> 00:36:22,754 - After Smack Bunny Baby, we went from just self-booking 771 00:36:22,754 --> 00:36:25,901 these little one offs or little mini jaunts 772 00:36:25,901 --> 00:36:29,901 down the east coast to landing a west coast tour 773 00:36:30,879 --> 00:36:33,646 opening up for Girls Against Boys and The Jesus Lizard. 774 00:36:33,646 --> 00:36:36,407 (rock music) 775 00:36:36,407 --> 00:36:39,944 It was crazy it was like an overnight, just, 776 00:36:39,944 --> 00:36:42,663 just kinda hurled into that world. 777 00:36:42,663 --> 00:36:45,080 (rock music) 778 00:36:46,822 --> 00:36:48,656 - And they like our stuff which just started 779 00:36:48,656 --> 00:36:50,542 to give us more and more confidence. 780 00:36:50,542 --> 00:36:53,985 - It was so angular and disjointed. 781 00:36:53,985 --> 00:36:55,814 They impressed me that way. 782 00:36:55,814 --> 00:36:58,116 - And I think it started to give Tim a lot more confidence. 783 00:36:58,116 --> 00:37:00,534 - And I think a lot of stuff was born during those days. 784 00:37:00,534 --> 00:37:03,472 Just getting into people's faces in the crowd and 785 00:37:03,472 --> 00:37:05,637 swallowing the microphone half down his throat 786 00:37:05,637 --> 00:37:08,502 and just really freaking people out. 787 00:37:08,502 --> 00:37:11,701 - You were stuck in between these two bands that 788 00:37:11,701 --> 00:37:16,118 were furious on stage, I mean, crazy good and we were 789 00:37:17,226 --> 00:37:21,360 just like, well, we can't hold anything back. 790 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,789 Those kids got their money's worth let me just tell you. 791 00:37:23,789 --> 00:37:25,792 - And when you go on a long tour like that especially a tour 792 00:37:25,792 --> 00:37:29,016 with I think very good music, you start to find yourself, 793 00:37:29,016 --> 00:37:31,785 you start to find your voice, you start to 794 00:37:31,785 --> 00:37:34,028 pull together all these loose elements and say 795 00:37:34,028 --> 00:37:36,335 this is our identity as a group. 796 00:37:36,335 --> 00:37:39,244 - It just started to get, to peek into this other 797 00:37:39,244 --> 00:37:41,724 world that we were gonna be a part of. 798 00:37:41,724 --> 00:37:43,116 (rock music) 799 00:37:43,116 --> 00:37:46,938 - In the early 90s there developed this kind of a 800 00:37:46,938 --> 00:37:49,200 fraternity of people in bands. 801 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,725 - Music of the 90s was original, experimental 802 00:37:52,725 --> 00:37:56,316 and Brainiac obviously are like, on the top of like, 803 00:37:56,316 --> 00:37:59,417 the most original, coolest, unique sounds like, only them. 804 00:37:59,417 --> 00:38:02,750 - I watched them play and was like, wow. 805 00:38:04,861 --> 00:38:07,968 And we stayed friendly, I mean we didn't, there were no, 806 00:38:07,968 --> 00:38:09,853 there were no cellphones at the time. 807 00:38:09,853 --> 00:38:12,324 - Brainiac's stuff is, you know, really pioneering 808 00:38:12,324 --> 00:38:14,651 in that they kind of, it's the type of music that 809 00:38:14,651 --> 00:38:16,783 explodes the framework, it kind of explodes the song. 810 00:38:16,783 --> 00:38:19,201 It's like, here's a song, we're gonna have, in a way, 811 00:38:19,201 --> 00:38:21,229 a song, we're gonna have, I mean some other bands that 812 00:38:21,229 --> 00:38:23,816 come to mind like maybe even, I don't know if they even 813 00:38:23,816 --> 00:38:25,143 heard each other but At The Drive In or something. 814 00:38:25,143 --> 00:38:29,066 - Yeah we liked them, they're fuckin' weirdos, you know? 815 00:38:29,066 --> 00:38:32,775 I just really feel like they exemplify super weirdo. 816 00:38:32,775 --> 00:38:34,236 (laughs) 817 00:38:34,236 --> 00:38:35,157 You know? 818 00:38:35,157 --> 00:38:37,368 - And maybe they were influenced by this that and the other 819 00:38:37,368 --> 00:38:39,903 thing, what James Brown, Nine Inch Nails, I don't even know 820 00:38:39,903 --> 00:38:41,869 where their influences were but they were like 821 00:38:41,869 --> 00:38:43,971 coming through in only their sound. 822 00:38:43,971 --> 00:38:45,610 - The record went really well, they were 823 00:38:45,610 --> 00:38:48,054 really happy with it, Grass was really happy with it. 824 00:38:48,054 --> 00:38:50,927 - And then we were touring and we were just having this 825 00:38:50,927 --> 00:38:53,565 really fun time on tour just really pushing 826 00:38:53,565 --> 00:38:57,180 each other to play better and better. 827 00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:59,264 - Going up there, recording that record, 828 00:38:59,264 --> 00:39:01,833 once we toured with The Jesus Lizard, 829 00:39:01,833 --> 00:39:03,927 it was like all the right people at the right time. 830 00:39:03,927 --> 00:39:07,407 - What's so cool about the 90s, obviously, I like talk 831 00:39:07,407 --> 00:39:11,050 about every day of my life today is that music 832 00:39:11,050 --> 00:39:14,135 was so original and so exploratory. 833 00:39:14,135 --> 00:39:15,952 (phone rings) 834 00:39:15,952 --> 00:39:17,060 I have a 90s phone. 835 00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:18,657 (laughs) 836 00:39:18,657 --> 00:39:20,647 What would I do, I can't believe it. 837 00:39:20,647 --> 00:39:21,535 (phone rings) 838 00:39:21,535 --> 00:39:22,368 Probably, 839 00:39:23,608 --> 00:39:24,441 hello? 840 00:39:25,385 --> 00:39:28,302 (distorted voices) 841 00:39:30,059 --> 00:39:33,359 - [Moderator] That's incorrect, the answer is-- 842 00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:35,102 - [Interviewer] Just say who you are and what you do. 843 00:39:35,102 --> 00:39:37,533 - [Tim] My name's Tim and I play the synthesizer 844 00:39:37,533 --> 00:39:39,613 and I fantasize about playing the bongo. 845 00:39:39,613 --> 00:39:41,821 - [Interviewer] All right so you're on Grass 846 00:39:41,821 --> 00:39:44,775 and you're touring, what was it like doing like, 847 00:39:44,775 --> 00:39:46,152 full cross country tours? 848 00:39:46,152 --> 00:39:48,651 - [Tim] Second tour we did was with Jesus Lizard so hell, 849 00:39:48,651 --> 00:39:49,987 you can't beat that, you know? 850 00:39:49,987 --> 00:39:53,861 - [Interviewer] So was there any real heavy stuff 851 00:39:53,861 --> 00:39:56,812 in the van with Michelle or was it just like-- 852 00:39:56,812 --> 00:39:59,910 - [Tim] It was just like building tension type thing where, 853 00:39:59,910 --> 00:40:02,719 I mean a lot of it was our fault too because like, 854 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,550 obviously like, whenever you get four people together, 855 00:40:05,550 --> 00:40:07,762 a lot of times they will just pick out the one person 856 00:40:07,762 --> 00:40:12,338 that they focus all their, you know, anger on 857 00:40:12,338 --> 00:40:14,132 and I guess, you know, to an extent that was 858 00:40:14,132 --> 00:40:16,514 kind of what happened with Michelle. 859 00:40:16,514 --> 00:40:19,299 - [Interviewer] All right, so did she leave or-- 860 00:40:19,299 --> 00:40:21,776 - [Tim] We kind of asked her to leave, I guess. 861 00:40:21,776 --> 00:40:23,056 (rock music) 862 00:40:23,056 --> 00:40:27,282 - Well, Tim actually called me, he was the one that 863 00:40:27,282 --> 00:40:31,364 said that we should go our separate ways so 864 00:40:31,364 --> 00:40:35,655 I wasn't expecting that, I was very shocked, 865 00:40:35,655 --> 00:40:37,995 I was not happy about it, I really 866 00:40:37,995 --> 00:40:39,499 did not want that to happen. 867 00:40:39,499 --> 00:40:42,078 - I remember like, actually, you know, people like 868 00:40:42,078 --> 00:40:44,485 Jesus Lizard and Girls Against Boys, they weren't so much 869 00:40:44,485 --> 00:40:46,211 pissed but they really liked Michelle 870 00:40:46,211 --> 00:40:48,089 and they were like, are you sure? 871 00:40:48,089 --> 00:40:49,628 - Yeah I was nervous when that happened, 872 00:40:49,628 --> 00:40:51,244 I was a big Michelle fan. 873 00:40:51,244 --> 00:40:53,729 - Really what it came down to with that was we 874 00:40:53,729 --> 00:40:57,373 loved to tour, Michelle had a really, pretty good job. 875 00:40:57,373 --> 00:41:00,290 - Touring was hard on me, you know, 876 00:41:01,646 --> 00:41:05,247 and my job at that point, they were starting to kinda 877 00:41:05,247 --> 00:41:06,801 give me a little bit of friction. 878 00:41:06,801 --> 00:41:08,919 - I was freaked out all the time 'cause I'm like, 879 00:41:08,919 --> 00:41:12,508 well we have to tour because like, if we're not touring, 880 00:41:12,508 --> 00:41:15,381 then what am I, I'm just some guy working a minimum wage 881 00:41:15,381 --> 00:41:17,747 job in, you know, in Dayton, Ohio. 882 00:41:17,747 --> 00:41:20,724 - We just wanted to go nonstop. 883 00:41:20,724 --> 00:41:23,655 Just be on the road as much as we could. 884 00:41:23,655 --> 00:41:25,907 - So you start off with that, you have that tension 885 00:41:25,907 --> 00:41:27,950 and then after a while, when people are telling you 886 00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:31,911 they can't do this or that then everything starts to bug you 887 00:41:31,911 --> 00:41:34,705 so it kind of mixed over into some personal stuff but it was 888 00:41:34,705 --> 00:41:37,424 pretty unfair to Michelle, really, like it wasn't, 889 00:41:37,424 --> 00:41:40,529 you know, we were just kids and dummies and like, 890 00:41:40,529 --> 00:41:43,156 you know, and you're sitting there going like, 891 00:41:43,156 --> 00:41:45,703 I've got a record deal and this is gonna happen and that's 892 00:41:45,703 --> 00:41:48,719 gonna happen and you're getting in the way of this. 893 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,719 - I was really confused for a while and kinda mad, you know. 894 00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:57,807 I let him know later, about a month later that I was 895 00:41:57,807 --> 00:42:02,807 really mad, you know, and it wasn't too long after that 896 00:42:02,924 --> 00:42:05,724 where we made up and I'm really glad that we did. 897 00:42:05,724 --> 00:42:07,531 You know, I didn't wanna hold a grudge, I just wanted to 898 00:42:07,531 --> 00:42:11,212 let him know, you know, I wasn't happy. 899 00:42:11,212 --> 00:42:12,070 (tearing) 900 00:42:12,070 --> 00:42:15,423 You know but, it was good while it lasted. 901 00:42:15,423 --> 00:42:19,155 - I don't know, I don't feel particularly proud about it 902 00:42:19,155 --> 00:42:21,520 but at the same time I think it was necessary. 903 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,937 (rock music) 904 00:42:28,816 --> 00:42:31,701 So we got rid of Michelle but I didn't really have an idea 905 00:42:31,701 --> 00:42:34,834 of like, who we should get in there, I just remember 906 00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:39,823 Tim, he saw it more as an opportunity, like, well okay, 907 00:42:39,823 --> 00:42:42,444 I can get somebody else in this band that can maybe do 908 00:42:42,444 --> 00:42:45,066 some different things that I wanna do and then Tim 909 00:42:45,066 --> 00:42:47,187 was the one who started pushing for John. 910 00:42:47,187 --> 00:42:49,604 (rock music) 911 00:42:54,106 --> 00:42:56,861 And I remember being like, I don't know 912 00:42:56,861 --> 00:42:58,773 if I want that guy in there. 913 00:42:58,773 --> 00:43:01,652 - Why? - I mean, you know, 914 00:43:01,652 --> 00:43:03,651 'cause fuckin' John is fucking, you know, 915 00:43:03,651 --> 00:43:05,718 he's fuckin' John. 916 00:43:05,718 --> 00:43:08,734 - [Director] Like what about him, 917 00:43:08,734 --> 00:43:10,542 I mean, specifically-- 918 00:43:10,542 --> 00:43:13,414 - 'Cause like, I think we went to his house and I just was 919 00:43:13,414 --> 00:43:17,247 like, oh man, you know, he's just a weird guy. 920 00:43:18,575 --> 00:43:19,408 (claps) 921 00:43:19,408 --> 00:43:21,189 - [Director] Perfect. 922 00:43:21,189 --> 00:43:22,881 Got that down. 923 00:43:22,881 --> 00:43:25,298 (rock music) 924 00:43:26,158 --> 00:43:28,654 ♪ Boom shalocka locka I think she likes me ♪ 925 00:43:28,654 --> 00:43:31,016 ♪ Boom shalocka locka I think she likes me ♪ 926 00:43:31,016 --> 00:43:33,426 ♪ Boom shalocka locka I think she likes me ♪ 927 00:43:33,426 --> 00:43:36,259 ♪ Boom shalocka locka I think she likes me ♪ 928 00:43:36,259 --> 00:43:40,332 - I remember, you know, hearing about Brainiac starting 929 00:43:40,332 --> 00:43:42,528 and then eventually seeing them. 930 00:43:42,528 --> 00:43:44,761 (rock music) 931 00:43:44,761 --> 00:43:48,908 I was just like, man, these guys are so good, you know? 932 00:43:48,908 --> 00:43:50,102 - And I remember Tim telling me he was 933 00:43:50,102 --> 00:43:51,716 writing back and forth with John. 934 00:43:51,716 --> 00:43:53,574 - Tim sent me a letter first of all. 935 00:43:53,574 --> 00:43:55,082 You know, he explained how they'd been touring and all 936 00:43:55,082 --> 00:43:57,203 this stuff and I'd obviously seen the band and for me, 937 00:43:57,203 --> 00:43:59,569 I was just like flattered to be asked to be 938 00:43:59,569 --> 00:44:01,494 in a band that I was a fan of. 939 00:44:01,494 --> 00:44:03,639 (rock music) 940 00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:05,510 But it was perfect timing for me 'cause I was going 941 00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:08,592 to school in OU, almost the entire time I was taking 942 00:44:08,592 --> 00:44:12,063 classes there I had that thing that a lot of musicians 943 00:44:12,063 --> 00:44:15,251 get that's like, just like, playing envy, you know, 944 00:44:15,251 --> 00:44:17,575 I'd see bands playing and I was just like, I wanna be 945 00:44:17,575 --> 00:44:20,486 doin' that, I'm not doing that right now and I feel like 946 00:44:20,486 --> 00:44:24,880 it's actually time for me to either get outta school 947 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,222 or like, or something, you know, or just be sad 948 00:44:29,222 --> 00:44:32,771 for a long time and then I get this letter and it's like, 949 00:44:32,771 --> 00:44:36,196 yes, it was kind of like, this is exactly what you wanna do 950 00:44:36,196 --> 00:44:40,503 so it didn't, I did think about it but not very long. 951 00:44:40,503 --> 00:44:42,920 (rock music) 952 00:44:44,186 --> 00:44:47,254 - Once John got in there, it's like, oh 953 00:44:47,254 --> 00:44:50,060 we always needed this, you know what I mean? 954 00:44:50,060 --> 00:44:52,649 - It happened pretty fast, I packed up my stuff, 955 00:44:52,649 --> 00:44:56,560 moved to Dayton, we started rehearsing 956 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,230 for the tour that was coming up. 957 00:44:58,230 --> 00:45:03,230 - Yeah, so John was just kinda instantly plugged in and 958 00:45:03,486 --> 00:45:05,852 just, we didn't miss a beat, really. 959 00:45:05,852 --> 00:45:08,752 ♪ Able to control myself and laugh ♪ 960 00:45:08,752 --> 00:45:11,131 ♪ At the jokes or cars are supposed to be funny ♪ 961 00:45:11,131 --> 00:45:14,147 - Yeah he changed everything and I think once people saw 962 00:45:14,147 --> 00:45:17,280 how great he was a lot of people were like, 963 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,439 this is kinda awesome. 964 00:45:18,439 --> 00:45:19,895 - I had chills, I remember the hair 965 00:45:19,895 --> 00:45:21,183 on my arm was standing up. 966 00:45:21,183 --> 00:45:23,044 - They stepped it into another gear. 967 00:45:23,044 --> 00:45:25,990 I mean their trajectory was already unstoppable 968 00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:29,258 but John was just, you took somethin' that was already 969 00:45:29,258 --> 00:45:31,414 at 10 and you put it up to 10 and a half. 970 00:45:31,414 --> 00:45:35,461 - Timmy with, you know, John and Tyler and Juan and 971 00:45:35,461 --> 00:45:39,646 they had the chemistry and very daring and experimental. 972 00:45:39,646 --> 00:45:41,244 - And you could tell there was something different about 973 00:45:41,244 --> 00:45:43,854 what these guys were doing and just in the people that saw 974 00:45:43,854 --> 00:45:46,132 them and how they reacted to seeing them. 975 00:45:46,132 --> 00:45:49,978 I was pretty mesmerized because they were 976 00:45:49,978 --> 00:45:52,305 so different at the time. 977 00:45:52,305 --> 00:45:54,388 - They blew my mind, when we saw them, just a lot of 978 00:45:54,388 --> 00:45:58,589 energy, you know, just an awful lot of fuckin' energy. 979 00:45:58,589 --> 00:46:03,047 - For me, it's exactly what I wanted to do and 980 00:46:03,047 --> 00:46:06,402 think I was the right person for the job so 981 00:46:06,402 --> 00:46:09,735 yeah it felt good immediately, I think the thing that was, 982 00:46:09,735 --> 00:46:14,266 I was still green in the sense I hadn't been on tour. 983 00:46:14,266 --> 00:46:16,526 But we were playing with this band 984 00:46:16,526 --> 00:46:19,185 and the drummer comes into the dressing room. 985 00:46:19,185 --> 00:46:22,651 He couldn't say anything basically and he just showed us 986 00:46:22,651 --> 00:46:26,734 that he had acid and Tim, he looked at me and he, 987 00:46:28,789 --> 00:46:33,469 he's like, sure, and he took it and so I also took it. 988 00:46:33,469 --> 00:46:35,251 - I thought they took the acid after the show, 989 00:46:35,251 --> 00:46:37,398 that's what they told me, 'cause I'm sure I would've 990 00:46:37,398 --> 00:46:39,596 been mad 'cause we had a rule that you weren't allowed 991 00:46:39,596 --> 00:46:42,342 to get wasted that everyone probably 992 00:46:42,342 --> 00:46:43,659 broke that rule eventually. 993 00:46:43,659 --> 00:46:46,631 - And I just remember it really started kicking in in 994 00:46:46,631 --> 00:46:48,984 that song, "You Dropped A Bomb On Me" was playing, 995 00:46:48,984 --> 00:46:50,622 it was just like-- 996 00:46:50,622 --> 00:46:53,408 ♪ You dropped a bomb on me ♪ 997 00:46:53,408 --> 00:46:55,978 (whistles) 998 00:46:55,978 --> 00:46:57,512 And I'm sittin' there, I'm staring kind of 999 00:46:57,512 --> 00:46:59,929 like out into space, that's a 1000 00:47:01,637 --> 00:47:04,368 terrible drug to take to play Brainiac. 1001 00:47:04,368 --> 00:47:06,346 I mean, it's certainly learned music. 1002 00:47:06,346 --> 00:47:10,300 I just remember feeling like there was an elastic quality 1003 00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:15,300 to doing what I was doing that just felt kind of strange. 1004 00:47:15,785 --> 00:47:19,202 But drugs never affected our performance. 1005 00:47:22,707 --> 00:47:24,483 - [Interviewer] And an album as well, you contracted-- 1006 00:47:24,483 --> 00:47:26,348 - [Tim] An album, yeah, we're gonna be recording an album 1007 00:47:26,348 --> 00:47:27,181 in about a month. 1008 00:47:27,181 --> 00:47:28,415 - [Interviewer] Do you know where and who's 1009 00:47:28,415 --> 00:47:29,535 at the controls and all that? 1010 00:47:29,535 --> 00:47:31,277 - [Tim] I think we're gonna try to use Eli again. 1011 00:47:31,277 --> 00:47:32,715 - [Interviewer] You get along with Eli well 1012 00:47:32,715 --> 00:47:34,062 on a musical level, then? 1013 00:47:34,062 --> 00:47:36,321 - [Tim] Oh yeah, totally, we all get along really well, 1014 00:47:36,321 --> 00:47:40,248 like a lot of the same music, same like ethic, 1015 00:47:40,248 --> 00:47:43,966 I guess, just wanting to pervert the sound somewhat so. 1016 00:47:43,966 --> 00:47:46,383 (rock music) 1017 00:47:48,154 --> 00:47:50,678 - We did that tour and then Grass was like, 1018 00:47:50,678 --> 00:47:52,801 guys make a new record for crying out loud. 1019 00:47:52,801 --> 00:47:54,864 - When it came time to make their next record, 1020 00:47:54,864 --> 00:47:58,361 we were still so close that it was a easy match up. 1021 00:47:58,361 --> 00:48:02,901 - Eli was great to work with, he was up for trying anything. 1022 00:48:02,901 --> 00:48:05,524 Whenever he would ask Tim what he, you know, like, 1023 00:48:05,524 --> 00:48:08,540 what do you think this needs and Tim was always like, 1024 00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:11,074 let's run it through some more distortion. 1025 00:48:11,074 --> 00:48:14,866 - He was relentlessly creative, you know, 1026 00:48:14,866 --> 00:48:17,968 and for me, having an artist who just 1027 00:48:17,968 --> 00:48:21,757 will push everything aside including eating 1028 00:48:21,757 --> 00:48:24,424 and just do that is pretty cool. 1029 00:48:26,034 --> 00:48:27,347 May not have been the easiest person 1030 00:48:27,347 --> 00:48:29,401 to be in a band with but-- 1031 00:48:29,401 --> 00:48:31,547 - That, I think, is almost where like, Tim and I, 1032 00:48:31,547 --> 00:48:34,071 in a lot of ways, we sort of started to go on a slightly 1033 00:48:34,071 --> 00:48:36,863 different musical path, like, where I started to fall 1034 00:48:36,863 --> 00:48:40,205 behind and didn't quite understand what he was doing. 1035 00:48:40,205 --> 00:48:43,974 - With John and Tim in the band, you can have one visionary 1036 00:48:43,974 --> 00:48:46,691 person, but having two of these nutcases. 1037 00:48:46,691 --> 00:48:48,198 (laughs) 1038 00:48:48,198 --> 00:48:51,332 - In my mind, I wanted the next record to sound even more 1039 00:48:51,332 --> 00:48:53,256 polished than the first record, I was like, the first 1040 00:48:53,256 --> 00:48:54,660 record isn't polished enough, we need to get 1041 00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:57,910 more polished but that wasn't the case. 1042 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,904 - It was more experimental and you know, things that were 1043 00:49:03,904 --> 00:49:07,278 like, "Fucking With The Altimeter." 1044 00:49:07,278 --> 00:49:08,629 - Remember he was tellin' us about that 1045 00:49:08,629 --> 00:49:11,462 parakeet record that he was using? 1046 00:49:12,967 --> 00:49:13,800 - Yeah. 1047 00:49:15,254 --> 00:49:18,116 The Complete Parakeet Trainer. 1048 00:49:18,116 --> 00:49:21,287 Yeah this, I think he got this before I 1049 00:49:21,287 --> 00:49:24,704 joined the band, I think in like Detroit. 1050 00:49:26,787 --> 00:49:30,181 - He had that record for a long ass time before. 1051 00:49:30,181 --> 00:49:33,989 It was just sitting there waiting for its moment, you know? 1052 00:49:33,989 --> 00:49:35,250 Waiting to happen. 1053 00:49:35,250 --> 00:49:36,732 - Give me some love. - Just kinda like 1054 00:49:36,732 --> 00:49:38,383 playing around with the variants of the-- 1055 00:49:38,383 --> 00:49:40,203 - Give me some love. - The record. 1056 00:49:40,203 --> 00:49:41,120 - That song 1057 00:49:42,699 --> 00:49:46,261 does to me what I think rock music should do. 1058 00:49:46,261 --> 00:49:48,029 It sucks the air out of the room 1059 00:49:48,029 --> 00:49:51,149 and it makes them feel like something's communicating 1060 00:49:51,149 --> 00:49:52,890 to them from some other dimension. 1061 00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:57,493 ♪ God save us all give me some love ♪ 1062 00:49:57,493 --> 00:50:00,693 ♪ Give me some love ♪ 1063 00:50:00,693 --> 00:50:03,458 ♪ Give me some love ♪ 1064 00:50:03,458 --> 00:50:05,620 - So we did that record 1065 00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:08,663 and by the time it was done, it was even weirder than like, 1066 00:50:08,663 --> 00:50:10,846 because all these sort of things were happening. 1067 00:50:10,846 --> 00:50:12,628 - I remember that thought too, where it was 1068 00:50:12,628 --> 00:50:15,422 just like, what have we done? 1069 00:50:15,422 --> 00:50:17,190 Seemed like a good idea. 1070 00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:19,817 - I was fuckin' scared, like, I was like-- 1071 00:50:19,817 --> 00:50:22,247 - We really enjoyed making it but we were just kind of like, 1072 00:50:22,247 --> 00:50:26,629 is this going to be a total failure in other people's eyes? 1073 00:50:26,629 --> 00:50:29,488 - If you think about the stuff that was coming out around 1074 00:50:29,488 --> 00:50:33,155 that time, the more mainstream stuff that was selling big 1075 00:50:33,155 --> 00:50:36,616 was, you know, nowhere near that weird. 1076 00:50:36,616 --> 00:50:40,242 ♪ One flight down the aeronaut ♪ 1077 00:50:40,242 --> 00:50:43,076 ♪ Was found ♪ 1078 00:50:43,076 --> 00:50:45,395 ♪ Under the fuselage ♪ 1079 00:50:45,395 --> 00:50:47,710 ♪ Look at me now I'm a wreck ♪ 1080 00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:50,309 - And I remember taking it home, putting into a boom box 1081 00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:52,740 and laying on the floor in my parent's living room 1082 00:50:52,740 --> 00:50:55,573 being like, this is terrible, like 1083 00:50:56,524 --> 00:50:59,085 this record is the worst record. 1084 00:50:59,085 --> 00:51:01,815 - We were just kinda looking at each other like, 1085 00:51:01,815 --> 00:51:04,262 is anyone gonna wanna listen to this? 1086 00:51:04,262 --> 00:51:06,732 Just 'cause it was, you know, there was some 1087 00:51:06,732 --> 00:51:09,899 weird things, there was a poppiness to 1088 00:51:11,125 --> 00:51:12,663 Brainiac anyway, you know, the first album-- 1089 00:51:12,663 --> 00:51:15,080 (bell dings) 1090 00:51:15,927 --> 00:51:18,114 Oh that was you, oh. - Such a pretty bird. 1091 00:51:18,114 --> 00:51:19,205 - Yeah that's okay. - Oh okay. 1092 00:51:19,205 --> 00:51:22,013 (laughs) 1093 00:51:22,013 --> 00:51:24,930 (distorted voices) 1094 00:51:28,850 --> 00:51:31,267 (rock music) 1095 00:51:36,386 --> 00:51:38,302 ♪ Whatcha gonna do the beat ♪ 1096 00:51:38,302 --> 00:51:39,939 - They found this weird sound they wanted to make 1097 00:51:39,939 --> 00:51:42,556 and they made it, it was theirs. 1098 00:51:42,556 --> 00:51:45,831 No one else was doing what they were doing. 1099 00:51:45,831 --> 00:51:50,106 - And the whole world was all about grunge. 1100 00:51:50,106 --> 00:51:53,189 Yet that came out, that's incredible. 1101 00:51:54,535 --> 00:51:57,615 - They had a really good sensibility about modernizing 1102 00:51:57,615 --> 00:52:01,027 pop music in a way that appealed to me. 1103 00:52:01,027 --> 00:52:05,795 It just had a edge to it that I thought was not common. 1104 00:52:05,795 --> 00:52:08,168 I don't know what they sounded like, I'm not sure exactly. 1105 00:52:08,168 --> 00:52:11,381 ♪ Yeah who do you think you are ♪ 1106 00:52:11,381 --> 00:52:15,305 ♪ You're not a bonsai super star ♪ 1107 00:52:15,305 --> 00:52:18,632 - So I remember being kind of freaked out 1108 00:52:18,632 --> 00:52:20,292 and not really sure about it. 1109 00:52:20,292 --> 00:52:21,220 (distortion) 1110 00:52:21,220 --> 00:52:24,014 (laughter) 1111 00:52:24,014 --> 00:52:24,965 - What do you mean? 1112 00:52:24,965 --> 00:52:25,851 (laughs) 1113 00:52:25,851 --> 00:52:28,672 - But you know, then you get good reviews 1114 00:52:28,672 --> 00:52:30,647 and then you're like, oh yeah, 1115 00:52:30,647 --> 00:52:32,075 I always knew it was great. 1116 00:52:32,075 --> 00:52:34,323 - I remember Eli was like really blown away. 1117 00:52:34,323 --> 00:52:36,403 He was like, this is awesome. 1118 00:52:36,403 --> 00:52:38,329 - I just thought it was a really cool record and 1119 00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:40,694 something that I'd never done before 1120 00:52:40,694 --> 00:52:43,606 but cool doesn't always mean sellable. 1121 00:52:43,606 --> 00:52:45,777 You know what I mean, that's the thing and it's like, 1122 00:52:45,777 --> 00:52:49,612 I just didn't know the Grass people that well 1123 00:52:49,612 --> 00:52:51,666 to know whether they were gonna freak out or not. 1124 00:52:51,666 --> 00:52:53,583 - People at Grass just, 1125 00:52:55,029 --> 00:52:56,290 they just, they loved it. 1126 00:52:56,290 --> 00:52:57,850 - Have you met Camille yet? - Oh yeah. 1127 00:52:57,850 --> 00:52:59,501 - It was amazing, that's all I could say. 1128 00:52:59,501 --> 00:53:00,985 It was genius. 1129 00:53:00,985 --> 00:53:04,026 - She was, it's genius, you guys are geniuses. 1130 00:53:04,026 --> 00:53:05,872 - Everything you heard from him was just, 1131 00:53:05,872 --> 00:53:07,074 'cause it was like I said, it was so 1132 00:53:07,074 --> 00:53:08,758 different than anything else. 1133 00:53:08,758 --> 00:53:12,502 - Oh my gosh, I love the record, you guys are geniuses. 1134 00:53:12,502 --> 00:53:14,597 - They always delivered better and better. 1135 00:53:14,597 --> 00:53:16,347 The kid was a genius. 1136 00:53:18,590 --> 00:53:20,033 - You know, that was the thing about Tim. 1137 00:53:20,033 --> 00:53:24,243 What that music was, really was a lot about what, 1138 00:53:24,243 --> 00:53:26,905 about his artistic journey, you know? 1139 00:53:26,905 --> 00:53:29,471 I mean we were all along for the ride but 1140 00:53:29,471 --> 00:53:31,212 it was definitely his thing. 1141 00:53:31,212 --> 00:53:33,933 - He was like, I was watching him unfold of the guy 1142 00:53:33,933 --> 00:53:37,387 who was gonna arrive and be this really remarkable, 1143 00:53:37,387 --> 00:53:40,949 unique artist that was unlike anybody else and that's 1144 00:53:40,949 --> 00:53:44,030 what I was, I kind of watched Timmy more from the far 1145 00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:46,351 because he was so-- 1146 00:53:46,351 --> 00:53:47,393 (sighs) 1147 00:53:47,393 --> 00:53:51,270 - Tim was, and he was a man of few words at times. 1148 00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:55,687 I wouldn't say brooding, some other people would but, 1149 00:53:56,611 --> 00:53:57,691 okay he was brooding. 1150 00:53:57,691 --> 00:53:58,964 (laughs) 1151 00:53:58,964 --> 00:54:01,228 - I don't know if I was intimidated by Timmy. 1152 00:54:01,228 --> 00:54:03,021 I felt like I never really got to know him 1153 00:54:03,021 --> 00:54:05,688 as well as I knew Juan or Tyler. 1154 00:54:06,725 --> 00:54:09,094 - [Director] Why, you felt intimidated? 1155 00:54:09,094 --> 00:54:10,693 - Maybe, sorta, kind of. 1156 00:54:10,693 --> 00:54:15,026 He was really good at what he did and I probably had 1157 00:54:16,056 --> 00:54:17,689 issues with that. 1158 00:54:17,689 --> 00:54:19,277 (rock music) 1159 00:54:19,277 --> 00:54:22,033 - And then the more attention he was getting, 1160 00:54:22,033 --> 00:54:23,787 I think the harder time he was having. 1161 00:54:23,787 --> 00:54:25,986 - I think it was after a show and we ended up staying, 1162 00:54:25,986 --> 00:54:29,930 it was one of the few nights, maybe a label paid for this 1163 00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:32,799 hotel and it was like in, near Times Square or something 1164 00:54:32,799 --> 00:54:35,113 like that and it was like an old thyme hotel and we were 1165 00:54:35,113 --> 00:54:37,115 like on the 30th floor and it had one of those ledges 1166 00:54:37,115 --> 00:54:40,222 like in the movies and Tim just got out on the ledge and 1167 00:54:40,222 --> 00:54:42,953 just walked around the building, like 1168 00:54:42,953 --> 00:54:45,592 so you couldn't see him anymore, like, 1169 00:54:45,592 --> 00:54:48,114 and I'm like, fuckin' terrified of heights, I'm just like, 1170 00:54:48,114 --> 00:54:50,701 laying on the floor going, what the fuck is he doing, 1171 00:54:50,701 --> 00:54:52,352 it's just like windy, just like, 1172 00:54:52,352 --> 00:54:55,303 just walked away for like five minutes. 1173 00:54:55,303 --> 00:54:58,033 - It seemed to me that there was some part of his 1174 00:54:58,033 --> 00:55:02,895 personality that he wasn't quite comfortable with 1175 00:55:02,895 --> 00:55:06,223 and he always kept hidden away, he would bare himself 1176 00:55:06,223 --> 00:55:08,927 more live, I think, 'cause it was a fleeting thing. 1177 00:55:08,927 --> 00:55:11,344 (rock music) 1178 00:55:12,489 --> 00:55:14,362 - He was gettin' stiff stuff out of his system, 1179 00:55:14,362 --> 00:55:17,443 you know, when he was performing, it had to be cathartic 1180 00:55:17,443 --> 00:55:20,108 and cleansing, it was cathartic and cleansing to watch it. 1181 00:55:20,108 --> 00:55:22,929 - It was like just hyper kinetic James Brown guy or-- 1182 00:55:22,929 --> 00:55:24,901 - I always thought about James Brown. 1183 00:55:24,901 --> 00:55:26,731 - In the school of like James Brown. 1184 00:55:26,731 --> 00:55:28,484 - Draw some of that James Brown and 1185 00:55:28,484 --> 00:55:30,534 include it in punk rock, really. 1186 00:55:30,534 --> 00:55:34,951 - A front person who understood how to work the room. 1187 00:55:35,874 --> 00:55:39,307 - Never seen anybody play keyboards get as into it. 1188 00:55:39,307 --> 00:55:41,637 - Just havin' a bird's eye view from behind the drum set 1189 00:55:41,637 --> 00:55:45,348 of just his genius insanity on stage, 1190 00:55:45,348 --> 00:55:46,714 it was just infectious. 1191 00:55:46,714 --> 00:55:49,067 - And a little bit scary, you know, 1192 00:55:49,067 --> 00:55:50,536 you didn't know what was gonna happen. 1193 00:55:50,536 --> 00:55:53,699 - Song stops and he's like, I'm the fuckin' king of pop. 1194 00:55:53,699 --> 00:55:55,231 - The king of pop. 1195 00:55:55,231 --> 00:55:56,608 Bring that, the king of pop. 1196 00:55:56,608 --> 00:55:58,156 - I'm the king of pop, somebody 1197 00:55:58,156 --> 00:55:59,989 give me a kiss and I'm like-- 1198 00:55:59,989 --> 00:56:02,406 (rock music) 1199 00:56:04,552 --> 00:56:06,802 - You're like, who are you? 1200 00:56:07,698 --> 00:56:09,609 - Tim could look like a pretty aggressive guy onstage. 1201 00:56:09,609 --> 00:56:11,883 You weren't sure but then in the next moment he'd be 1202 00:56:11,883 --> 00:56:13,405 totally goofin' off about something. 1203 00:56:13,405 --> 00:56:15,017 - I don't know, it was just definitely like 1204 00:56:15,017 --> 00:56:16,733 somethin' took over. 1205 00:56:16,733 --> 00:56:19,246 (rock music) 1206 00:56:19,246 --> 00:56:21,788 - The thing was, it wasn't just, it wasn't just, you know, 1207 00:56:21,788 --> 00:56:25,115 musically, yeah also with things like, you know, with style. 1208 00:56:25,115 --> 00:56:27,545 - That was at the phase where they were like wearing 1209 00:56:27,545 --> 00:56:31,134 all that stuff, I'm remembering the color orange. 1210 00:56:31,134 --> 00:56:33,980 I'm remembering sunglasses. 1211 00:56:33,980 --> 00:56:36,139 - They would shop behind a slightly different rack 1212 00:56:36,139 --> 00:56:37,208 at the thrift store, you know? 1213 00:56:37,208 --> 00:56:38,054 (laughs) 1214 00:56:38,054 --> 00:56:40,430 - Always fashion before function. 1215 00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:42,496 - Yeah they did wear weird clothes, I mean we probably 1216 00:56:42,496 --> 00:56:44,864 just thought all Americans dressed like that. 1217 00:56:44,864 --> 00:56:47,751 (laughs) 1218 00:56:47,751 --> 00:56:50,170 - You know, there's the thrift store chic with the 1219 00:56:50,170 --> 00:56:53,016 tight t-shirts and the belt buckles and then 1220 00:56:53,016 --> 00:56:55,825 there's the time with the ear muffs. 1221 00:56:55,825 --> 00:56:59,153 - Fuckin' ear muffs, just the way they wore it. 1222 00:56:59,153 --> 00:57:01,830 - At some thrift store, those, Brainiac 1223 00:57:01,830 --> 00:57:04,163 had all bought roller skates 1224 00:57:05,156 --> 00:57:07,495 and then just roller skating around the blocks around the 1225 00:57:07,495 --> 00:57:10,056 venue which was like in the middle of nowhere. 1226 00:57:10,056 --> 00:57:11,533 - You would believe that there was some 1227 00:57:11,533 --> 00:57:12,917 flack to be caught from that. 1228 00:57:12,917 --> 00:57:17,917 - Of course, Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, fine. 1229 00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:20,951 You get to like, North Dakota, 1230 00:57:20,951 --> 00:57:23,516 you gotta stop for gas at some point, man. 1231 00:57:23,516 --> 00:57:26,183 - We got out at a gas station in 1232 00:57:28,521 --> 00:57:30,756 middle of America, wherever it was, 1233 00:57:30,756 --> 00:57:33,187 you know, it was weird. 1234 00:57:33,187 --> 00:57:34,722 - We'd walk in there and people would just be like-- 1235 00:57:34,722 --> 00:57:35,555 (yells) 1236 00:57:35,555 --> 00:57:37,310 - If a band is like a gang, you have to 1237 00:57:37,310 --> 00:57:39,547 have your gang colors, you know? 1238 00:57:39,547 --> 00:57:42,058 - I think that's kind of where the magic happens in bands. 1239 00:57:42,058 --> 00:57:44,956 When you're around each other all the time, you're like, 1240 00:57:44,956 --> 00:57:47,311 and going different places all the time together 1241 00:57:47,311 --> 00:57:50,761 and so you're just sort of like, you know, the 1242 00:57:50,761 --> 00:57:52,597 tour jokes and all these things developed. 1243 00:57:52,597 --> 00:57:54,395 - Like chihuahua, do you want to kiss chihuahua? 1244 00:57:54,395 --> 00:57:55,886 - Oh no. (chuckles) 1245 00:57:55,886 --> 00:57:57,449 - [Interviewer] Come on guys, be a little serious. 1246 00:57:57,449 --> 00:57:59,312 - You're comin' to the darkness with me, cameraman. 1247 00:57:59,312 --> 00:58:01,484 (laughs) 1248 00:58:01,484 --> 00:58:02,941 - I look back on that, we were just 1249 00:58:02,941 --> 00:58:04,490 so poorly behaved, you know? 1250 00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:07,064 - That's because we're-- - Fuck the number system, 1251 00:58:07,064 --> 00:58:08,509 oh yeah. 1252 00:58:08,509 --> 00:58:10,621 - Never a dull moment. - No, no. 1253 00:58:10,621 --> 00:58:12,959 - Again, they're so compelling as a group. 1254 00:58:12,959 --> 00:58:14,626 That's what I think made them stand out 1255 00:58:14,626 --> 00:58:16,197 and why labels and people like myself 1256 00:58:16,197 --> 00:58:19,215 were so gung ho to get them. 1257 00:58:19,215 --> 00:58:21,305 - Everybody loved them, 1258 00:58:21,305 --> 00:58:24,415 you know, but they had to finish their deal with Grass 1259 00:58:24,415 --> 00:58:27,207 and then Corey just grabbed them as soon as he could. 1260 00:58:27,207 --> 00:58:29,380 - I always thought they were great. 1261 00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:33,093 Super high energy and they were like one of those bands 1262 00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:36,992 where who they were was always shining through 1263 00:58:36,992 --> 00:58:40,659 and who they were was always moving forward. 1264 00:58:41,738 --> 00:58:44,688 They were just progressing as a band and it just sounded 1265 00:58:44,688 --> 00:58:47,717 different than anything else at the time. 1266 00:58:47,717 --> 00:58:51,748 - Touch and Go had a bigger arm of distribution. 1267 00:58:51,748 --> 00:58:53,333 They could pack shows, you just say 1268 00:58:53,333 --> 00:58:55,688 it's a Touch and Go artist, place was packed. 1269 00:58:55,688 --> 00:58:57,384 I was sad 'cause I loved them but-- 1270 00:58:57,384 --> 00:58:58,781 - Yeah. - I mean I might've 1271 00:58:58,781 --> 00:59:01,102 even whispered to them, go to Touch and Go. 1272 00:59:01,102 --> 00:59:04,475 - By the time Hissing Prigs came out on Touch and Go, 1273 00:59:04,475 --> 00:59:08,475 it was like they had hit a stride that was like, 1274 00:59:09,610 --> 00:59:10,676 it's all its own. 1275 00:59:10,676 --> 00:59:13,509 - You know, one thing I think that 1276 00:59:14,345 --> 00:59:17,399 we never really looked back too much. 1277 00:59:17,399 --> 00:59:19,816 (rock music) 1278 00:59:21,897 --> 00:59:24,418 I just remember it was just kinda this straight line 1279 00:59:24,418 --> 00:59:27,972 where we just kept moving forward 1280 00:59:27,972 --> 00:59:30,972 and doing different things and yeah. 1281 00:59:35,535 --> 00:59:37,314 It's funny, I always thought, oh this is 1282 00:59:37,314 --> 00:59:38,502 how all bands are gonna be. 1283 00:59:38,502 --> 00:59:41,071 (laughs) 1284 00:59:41,071 --> 00:59:41,904 No. 1285 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,193 Yeah. 1286 00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:47,967 No, they were definitely unique. 1287 00:59:49,052 --> 00:59:51,469 (rock music) 1288 00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:59,127 - They also, like the way that they did the numbers 1289 00:59:59,127 --> 01:00:00,375 in the names of the songs and stuff, 1290 01:00:00,375 --> 01:00:02,316 it was so ahead of their time. 1291 01:00:02,316 --> 01:00:04,581 - That's what made, I think another thing that makes it 1292 01:00:04,581 --> 01:00:07,780 so timeless, it just gets crazier and crazier but at the 1293 01:00:07,780 --> 01:00:10,014 same time somehow more and more familiar. 1294 01:00:10,014 --> 01:00:11,809 - It's an interesting challenge to be able to make a 1295 01:00:11,809 --> 01:00:16,309 record that is cohesive and eclectic at the same time. 1296 01:00:17,945 --> 01:00:19,543 You know, you can listen to different songs 1297 01:00:19,543 --> 01:00:21,793 and kinda feel like, oh this is like 1298 01:00:21,793 --> 01:00:24,393 a different world than the last one I heard. 1299 01:00:24,393 --> 01:00:27,214 (rock music) 1300 01:00:27,214 --> 01:00:31,598 - We did talk about his lyrical process a little bit. 1301 01:00:31,598 --> 01:00:33,883 Well the words were just so weird and they kind of 1302 01:00:33,883 --> 01:00:35,131 flowed together but they didn't 1303 01:00:35,131 --> 01:00:37,094 necessarily make a lot of sense. 1304 01:00:37,094 --> 01:00:39,212 - Even to this day, I don't think this is what he's saying 1305 01:00:39,212 --> 01:00:41,215 but I'm always going, mythical devils. 1306 01:00:41,215 --> 01:00:44,036 ♪ Mythical devils ♪ 1307 01:00:44,036 --> 01:00:46,119 (laughs) 1308 01:00:47,443 --> 01:00:50,379 - I don't know what he's talkin' about. 1309 01:00:50,379 --> 01:00:54,149 - And chihuahua, chihuahua, like I can't-- 1310 01:00:54,149 --> 01:00:58,275 ♪ Chihuahua chihuahua chihuahua chihuahua ♪ 1311 01:00:58,275 --> 01:01:00,025 - Hot metal dobermans 1312 01:01:01,096 --> 01:01:03,176 covered with cinnamon fins, I think is 1313 01:01:03,176 --> 01:01:05,555 one of my favorites of them. 1314 01:01:05,555 --> 01:01:07,440 - That's a pretty good line. 1315 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,607 - It's like, what is that? 1316 01:01:11,252 --> 01:01:12,085 Sounded cool. 1317 01:01:12,085 --> 01:01:14,831 - And I said to him, I said, "It sounds like you're saying 1318 01:01:14,831 --> 01:01:16,314 can I get a witness," and he said, 1319 01:01:16,314 --> 01:01:17,641 "Well if that's what you think it is." 1320 01:01:17,641 --> 01:01:19,654 - Yeah he wouldn't own up to what the lyrics were, 1321 01:01:19,654 --> 01:01:21,487 we had to make 'em up. 1322 01:01:24,454 --> 01:01:28,471 ♪ I am a cracked machine ♪ 1323 01:01:28,471 --> 01:01:32,566 ♪ I am a guide wire hussy ♪ 1324 01:01:32,566 --> 01:01:37,025 ♪ I am your favorite DJ ♪ 1325 01:01:37,025 --> 01:01:40,535 ♪ A blip on the screen ♪ 1326 01:01:40,535 --> 01:01:43,291 ♪ I am a cracked machine ♪ 1327 01:01:43,291 --> 01:01:44,773 - Because the vocals were so distorted, 1328 01:01:44,773 --> 01:01:48,685 it became more of like a relationship of vowel sounds 1329 01:01:48,685 --> 01:01:50,719 and things like that and if you got to go and actually 1330 01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:52,677 read the stuff, you're like, 1331 01:01:52,677 --> 01:01:54,614 don't be so shy, man, like this is 1332 01:01:54,614 --> 01:01:56,461 really like, this is good. 1333 01:01:56,461 --> 01:01:58,125 ♪ The 16 sergeants ♪ 1334 01:01:58,125 --> 01:02:00,960 ♪ Stacked like matchsticks mercy for me ♪ 1335 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,470 - Not like there's some political message, just clever. 1336 01:02:03,470 --> 01:02:08,470 ♪ Knock the first one down and they all fall over ♪ 1337 01:02:09,476 --> 01:02:11,231 You know what I mean? - Yeah. 1338 01:02:11,231 --> 01:02:13,910 (rock music) 1339 01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:15,587 - Seems only fitting that on the fourth of July, 1340 01:02:15,587 --> 01:02:17,352 the town of George Washington is the 1341 01:02:17,352 --> 01:02:19,906 lawn site for Lollapalooza 95. 1342 01:02:19,906 --> 01:02:22,111 (rock music) 1343 01:02:22,111 --> 01:02:23,500 ♪ Put your fist up ♪ 1344 01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:26,181 - It's like, how did we end up on Lollapalooza? 1345 01:02:26,181 --> 01:02:30,499 - The year we played, Hole, Jesus Lizard, Beck, 1346 01:02:30,499 --> 01:02:32,999 Sonic Youth, I mean, you know, there really wasn't 1347 01:02:32,999 --> 01:02:35,380 anything else in America like Lollapalooza. 1348 01:02:35,380 --> 01:02:37,276 - They were startin' to get bigger. 1349 01:02:37,276 --> 01:02:40,040 It was very rapid but at the same time it was a 1350 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,659 deserved ascent, yeah, 'cause they were just, 1351 01:02:42,659 --> 01:02:44,272 you know, just super original. 1352 01:02:44,272 --> 01:02:45,549 - They were those bands that other bands 1353 01:02:45,549 --> 01:02:47,821 just look at and think they're cool. 1354 01:02:47,821 --> 01:02:51,133 I do recall a lot of bands loving Brainiac, you know? 1355 01:02:51,133 --> 01:02:53,550 - Yeah, I remember back watching them at Lollapalooza. 1356 01:02:53,550 --> 01:02:55,374 (rock music) 1357 01:02:55,374 --> 01:02:58,105 And it was like when "Loser" was really big and 1358 01:02:58,105 --> 01:03:00,577 Beck would disguise himself, like ball his hair up 1359 01:03:00,577 --> 01:03:04,917 under a hat and wear cop sunglasses and try and watch 1360 01:03:04,917 --> 01:03:08,271 Brainiac and like two or three songs in, like the 1361 01:03:08,271 --> 01:03:11,950 girls would spot him and yeah, he'd have to leave. 1362 01:03:11,950 --> 01:03:14,953 (rock music) 1363 01:03:14,953 --> 01:03:17,371 - That's the thing is if you saw them live, 1364 01:03:17,371 --> 01:03:21,141 you were just like, man, these guys are fucking amazing 1365 01:03:21,141 --> 01:03:24,872 and they still have so much room to grow. 1366 01:03:24,872 --> 01:03:27,851 - Hissing Prigs and during Lollapalooza too was the 1367 01:03:27,851 --> 01:03:31,824 beginning of major labels and how many more records are 1368 01:03:31,824 --> 01:03:34,352 we gonna make on Touch and Go and what major label 1369 01:03:34,352 --> 01:03:37,491 are we gonna sign to and are we gonna sign to a major label 1370 01:03:37,491 --> 01:03:41,158 and how much money are we gonna get and like 1371 01:03:42,052 --> 01:03:45,090 who owns what and all these things that like, 1372 01:03:45,090 --> 01:03:47,925 you never have to think of, you know what I mean, 1373 01:03:47,925 --> 01:03:52,149 when you're starting out and then you start to 1374 01:03:52,149 --> 01:03:55,399 think about that stuff and you know, people are, 1375 01:03:55,399 --> 01:03:58,501 yeah, just, it was very stressful. 1376 01:03:58,501 --> 01:04:01,889 - You guys are goin' places, especially, I love the CD, 1377 01:04:01,889 --> 01:04:02,876 tons of great cuts on there. 1378 01:04:02,876 --> 01:04:03,853 - Thanks. 1379 01:04:03,853 --> 01:04:06,321 (laughs) 1380 01:04:06,321 --> 01:04:09,238 (distorted voices) 1381 01:04:15,058 --> 01:04:16,841 - [Director] Okay so let's time travel a little bit. 1382 01:04:16,841 --> 01:04:17,674 - Okay. 1383 01:04:17,674 --> 01:04:20,091 (rock music) 1384 01:04:27,357 --> 01:04:30,465 - Brainiac appeared at that transitional moment 1385 01:04:30,465 --> 01:04:33,143 when the scene was going from being sort of purely 1386 01:04:33,143 --> 01:04:36,601 underground, the transition into where there was a 1387 01:04:36,601 --> 01:04:41,601 professional class that had attached to the music scene. 1388 01:04:41,814 --> 01:04:45,012 - When Nirvana broke and became huge at the beginning 1389 01:04:45,012 --> 01:04:47,848 of the 90s, it started a feeding frenzy. 1390 01:04:47,848 --> 01:04:51,696 Every major label, A and R person, their directive was 1391 01:04:51,696 --> 01:04:54,530 there's this whole indie scene out there there's gotta 1392 01:04:54,530 --> 01:04:56,923 be another Nirvana out there, you know. 1393 01:04:56,923 --> 01:04:59,471 If you value your job, you'll go find 'em. 1394 01:04:59,471 --> 01:05:01,652 - I mean, to me, really, the 90s just felt like a gold rush. 1395 01:05:01,652 --> 01:05:04,231 I mean, it felt like a gold rush plain and simple. 1396 01:05:04,231 --> 01:05:06,720 - I've only been to Dayton for one reason 1397 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,072 and that was for Brainiac. 1398 01:05:08,072 --> 01:05:11,338 - They were just, I mean just throwin' money hand over fist. 1399 01:05:11,338 --> 01:05:13,170 - A million, two million dollars and 1400 01:05:13,170 --> 01:05:15,443 just tons of hand wringing. 1401 01:05:15,443 --> 01:05:18,236 - Man, there was so much money being thrown around. 1402 01:05:18,236 --> 01:05:21,385 It was insane, it was insane. 1403 01:05:21,385 --> 01:05:22,977 How many bands got so much money that 1404 01:05:22,977 --> 01:05:24,835 no one even knows who they are. 1405 01:05:24,835 --> 01:05:27,576 - Some bands were harder to get to know 1406 01:05:27,576 --> 01:05:30,044 and they kept you at distance. 1407 01:05:30,044 --> 01:05:31,619 Those guys were definitely one of 'em. 1408 01:05:31,619 --> 01:05:33,077 They were holding that pole with the little 1409 01:05:33,077 --> 01:05:35,781 feather on it and you were the cat, you know? 1410 01:05:35,781 --> 01:05:38,198 - Brainiac was really good at 1411 01:05:39,369 --> 01:05:44,369 hanging out with all the label people to get hotel rooms. 1412 01:05:44,534 --> 01:05:45,367 (laughs) 1413 01:05:45,367 --> 01:05:47,941 - I remember one time he was staying at a really nice place 1414 01:05:47,941 --> 01:05:52,350 and the message on the postcard said this sure beats 1415 01:05:52,350 --> 01:05:53,999 waking up in someone's kitchen floor 1416 01:05:53,999 --> 01:05:55,498 with a dog licking your face. 1417 01:05:55,498 --> 01:05:56,834 (laughs) 1418 01:05:56,834 --> 01:06:00,044 I'm like, yeah I bet it does. 1419 01:06:00,044 --> 01:06:02,387 - I could tell you stories about being at dinners 1420 01:06:02,387 --> 01:06:05,637 and choking on, like literally coughing 1421 01:06:08,709 --> 01:06:10,551 at them passing on deals. 1422 01:06:10,551 --> 01:06:12,695 - They just saw a lotta bands at the time get signed 1423 01:06:12,695 --> 01:06:15,680 and then go nowhere and get burned 1424 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,933 and they were smart enough to realize 1425 01:06:16,933 --> 01:06:18,808 they should be careful about that. 1426 01:06:18,808 --> 01:06:22,302 - How amazing is that, like they didn't wanna be 1427 01:06:22,302 --> 01:06:24,767 somebody's million dollar flavor of the month. 1428 01:06:24,767 --> 01:06:28,705 - Like now, you know, musicians are trying to survive 1429 01:06:28,705 --> 01:06:30,736 and if they can get a deal, they're gonna take it, 1430 01:06:30,736 --> 01:06:33,067 you know what I mean, or do a commercial, 1431 01:06:33,067 --> 01:06:35,196 or whatever it is they need to make money. 1432 01:06:35,196 --> 01:06:37,492 - But at that time it was a huge deal 1433 01:06:37,492 --> 01:06:40,913 to go from an independent label to a major label. 1434 01:06:40,913 --> 01:06:44,134 Even we had a huge backlash, like, 1435 01:06:44,134 --> 01:06:46,491 you know, sell outs, basically. 1436 01:06:46,491 --> 01:06:49,158 ♪ You can't win ♪ 1437 01:06:52,558 --> 01:06:54,614 - Juan, Juan, Juan, 1438 01:06:54,614 --> 01:06:57,023 wake up, Brainiac is too popular. 1439 01:06:57,023 --> 01:06:59,142 - You could spend 10 years building up, 1440 01:06:59,142 --> 01:07:02,783 crowd, your audience and just, it could just be wiped away. 1441 01:07:02,783 --> 01:07:04,641 Like with just one bad deal. 1442 01:07:04,641 --> 01:07:07,228 - That fear that you could, 1443 01:07:07,228 --> 01:07:09,231 you weren't going somewhere and that you ultimately 1444 01:07:09,231 --> 01:07:11,609 were making a terrible mistake that would 1445 01:07:11,609 --> 01:07:13,871 end you career was very palpable to me. 1446 01:07:13,871 --> 01:07:16,341 - You're worried also about, well if we go to a major label 1447 01:07:16,341 --> 01:07:19,136 are you gonna be allowed to do what you want to do? 1448 01:07:19,136 --> 01:07:22,503 Artistic freedom is a big, big deal. 1449 01:07:22,503 --> 01:07:25,311 - So many bands, they'll sign a contract, 1450 01:07:25,311 --> 01:07:29,003 take a big advance and then not be able to produce. 1451 01:07:29,003 --> 01:07:30,797 He wanted to make sure that when they did 1452 01:07:30,797 --> 01:07:33,970 sign a contract that he could back it up. 1453 01:07:33,970 --> 01:07:36,296 - If you take away this lifestyle, if you take away this 1454 01:07:36,296 --> 01:07:38,571 and you start giving us money and you start letting us 1455 01:07:38,571 --> 01:07:41,232 stay in hotels and we drive around in a 1456 01:07:41,232 --> 01:07:44,759 nice van and we do all this other stuff, 1457 01:07:44,759 --> 01:07:47,593 is the art gonna go away, is what 1458 01:07:47,593 --> 01:07:49,075 makes us good gonna go away? 1459 01:07:49,075 --> 01:07:53,185 All these things are sort of percolating around you. 1460 01:07:53,185 --> 01:07:57,904 ♪ Will come out well I'm a young principal ♪ 1461 01:07:57,904 --> 01:08:00,179 - You guys are brothers, you're like the best perfect band. 1462 01:08:00,179 --> 01:08:02,623 I'm always like, please do not break. 1463 01:08:02,623 --> 01:08:07,373 - Nothing ever went wrong for us for a long fuckin' time. 1464 01:08:08,318 --> 01:08:11,972 - I think touring also, some of the cracks had 1465 01:08:11,972 --> 01:08:14,102 started showing a little bit. 1466 01:08:14,102 --> 01:08:15,808 - I don't know if mad at each other's the word but 1467 01:08:15,808 --> 01:08:18,133 everyone was just kind of like living and operating 1468 01:08:18,133 --> 01:08:21,611 in their own crazy, sort of mini universe. 1469 01:08:21,611 --> 01:08:23,698 That caused me a lot of anxiety, 1470 01:08:23,698 --> 01:08:24,905 was like, what are we doing? 1471 01:08:24,905 --> 01:08:27,322 (rock music) 1472 01:08:29,179 --> 01:08:32,040 You're in a situation where you're relying on three 1473 01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:36,864 other people to keep it together and to keep going. 1474 01:08:36,864 --> 01:08:39,423 - My girlfriend got, at the time, got pregnant. 1475 01:08:39,423 --> 01:08:42,432 The due date was basically in the middle of the 1476 01:08:42,432 --> 01:08:46,599 Hissing Prigs campaign, to make it more stressful, 1477 01:08:47,928 --> 01:08:51,345 the baby came two and a half weeks early. 1478 01:08:52,307 --> 01:08:54,182 I kinda had to convince the guys that 1479 01:08:54,182 --> 01:08:56,182 we needed to drive back. 1480 01:08:57,454 --> 01:08:59,136 And I missed the birth 1481 01:08:59,136 --> 01:09:01,969 and I was not well liked by anyone 1482 01:09:02,907 --> 01:09:05,154 during that time period including myself, 1483 01:09:05,154 --> 01:09:06,821 so it was stressful. 1484 01:09:09,330 --> 01:09:12,056 - Every single person in the band, one way or another 1485 01:09:12,056 --> 01:09:15,374 has power over you, you know, I would say Tim probably 1486 01:09:15,374 --> 01:09:17,871 had it the most together but he also had the most 1487 01:09:17,871 --> 01:09:20,119 pressure on him, he blew up at me. 1488 01:09:20,119 --> 01:09:21,250 - We were in a hotel room and I 1489 01:09:21,250 --> 01:09:23,657 dropped the bomb and he's like, 1490 01:09:23,657 --> 01:09:24,992 you're ruining my career! 1491 01:09:24,992 --> 01:09:29,574 Like he literally like outbursted at me and I was like, 1492 01:09:29,574 --> 01:09:31,155 fuck, well what could I say? 1493 01:09:31,155 --> 01:09:33,330 - It's like everybody holding everything in 1494 01:09:33,330 --> 01:09:35,100 and then so when everything would come out, 1495 01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:36,464 it just always comes out like-- 1496 01:09:36,464 --> 01:09:37,709 (makes exploding sound) 1497 01:09:37,709 --> 01:09:40,086 - That's the thing about being in a band, you really can't, 1498 01:09:40,086 --> 01:09:42,687 you just, you're flying by the seat of your pants. 1499 01:09:42,687 --> 01:09:44,886 - Played that show at Lounge Act, I like, 1500 01:09:44,886 --> 01:09:45,876 took a just of thing of beer and went-- 1501 01:09:45,876 --> 01:09:46,709 (makes spraying sound) 1502 01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:49,097 And threw into the crowd and then somebody threw a beer 1503 01:09:49,097 --> 01:09:51,649 bottle and it smashed right in Tim's face and we just 1504 01:09:51,649 --> 01:09:53,854 kept playing, kept playing, it was the end of the show 1505 01:09:53,854 --> 01:09:55,754 and then I got off and I was like, oh my god that was a 1506 01:09:55,754 --> 01:09:57,913 great show and he just grabbed me and threw me up against 1507 01:09:57,913 --> 01:10:00,002 the wall and he was like, don't ever fuckin' 1508 01:10:00,002 --> 01:10:03,348 do that again and I was just like, okay. 1509 01:10:03,348 --> 01:10:05,527 (rock music) 1510 01:10:05,527 --> 01:10:08,181 It's not your best self, you're not your best person 1511 01:10:08,181 --> 01:10:12,603 at the time and I think we all kind of became 1512 01:10:12,603 --> 01:10:15,155 not the best versions of ourself. 1513 01:10:15,155 --> 01:10:18,040 - It was kind of like tension building. 1514 01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,125 People getting pretty fuckin' pissed at each other. 1515 01:10:20,125 --> 01:10:21,522 People yelling at each other. 1516 01:10:21,522 --> 01:10:22,536 - John got punched. 1517 01:10:22,536 --> 01:10:26,203 - Eventually we got into fisticuffs on tour. 1518 01:10:27,190 --> 01:10:29,945 He was super pissed at me and 1519 01:10:29,945 --> 01:10:31,572 he took a swing at me. 1520 01:10:31,572 --> 01:10:34,354 - I mean you're putting like 20 year olds into like 1521 01:10:34,354 --> 01:10:36,790 a situation where like, here you're gonna sign this 1522 01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:40,419 two million dollar deal maybe if everybody 1523 01:10:40,419 --> 01:10:41,785 can just keep it together. 1524 01:10:41,785 --> 01:10:44,409 ♪ The film it's translucent ♪ 1525 01:10:44,409 --> 01:10:47,179 I started having panic attacks 'cause I was so freaked out 1526 01:10:47,179 --> 01:10:49,298 by all the stuff that was kinda going on, like people 1527 01:10:49,298 --> 01:10:51,544 weren't getting along that well and no one 1528 01:10:51,544 --> 01:10:54,081 ever told me what a panic attack was. 1529 01:10:54,081 --> 01:10:56,372 (rock music) 1530 01:10:56,372 --> 01:11:00,156 So I literally thought I was going crazy and I was trying 1531 01:11:00,156 --> 01:11:03,447 to hide it from other people 'cause like I'd have these 1532 01:11:03,447 --> 01:11:05,487 just like debilitating panic attacks 1533 01:11:05,487 --> 01:11:07,957 where I was just like freaking out. 1534 01:11:07,957 --> 01:11:10,756 (rock music) 1535 01:11:10,756 --> 01:11:13,331 Like, I definitely felt like I was losing my mind 1536 01:11:13,331 --> 01:11:16,600 and I felt like everybody was sort of acting out in 1537 01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,485 their own way, it's like a lot of extra partying going on. 1538 01:11:19,485 --> 01:11:21,614 - Yeah, there's tons of stories. 1539 01:11:21,614 --> 01:11:24,774 One of the craziest things was 1540 01:11:24,774 --> 01:11:27,880 Marilyn Manson came through Dayton and Marilyn Manson 1541 01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,130 ends up having an after party at the show at Tim's house. 1542 01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:31,963 (doorbell rings) 1543 01:11:31,963 --> 01:11:33,799 (rock music) 1544 01:11:33,799 --> 01:11:35,993 - But that party is sort of famous and like 1545 01:11:35,993 --> 01:11:37,414 the stories from that party, like the 1546 01:11:37,414 --> 01:11:40,314 weird shit that happened at that party-- 1547 01:11:40,314 --> 01:11:42,316 (growls) 1548 01:11:42,316 --> 01:11:44,128 (clucks) 1549 01:11:44,128 --> 01:11:45,427 I'll tell you off camera but like-- 1550 01:11:45,427 --> 01:11:46,260 (laughter) 1551 01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:47,197 Not tell you here. 1552 01:11:47,197 --> 01:11:52,197 - [Director] And so what did you guys do with Manson? 1553 01:11:52,321 --> 01:11:54,891 - You know, I just talk about, 1554 01:11:54,891 --> 01:11:57,558 just you know, daily life stuff. 1555 01:11:59,052 --> 01:11:59,885 (growls) 1556 01:11:59,885 --> 01:12:02,228 (clucking) 1557 01:12:02,228 --> 01:12:03,061 I don't know. 1558 01:12:03,061 --> 01:12:04,304 (laughs) 1559 01:12:04,304 --> 01:12:06,553 (rock music) 1560 01:12:06,553 --> 01:12:07,386 (crashing noise) 1561 01:12:07,386 --> 01:12:08,414 I actually remember thinking that was funny and 1562 01:12:08,414 --> 01:12:11,229 I don't think Tim was too happy about the whole thing. 1563 01:12:11,229 --> 01:12:14,115 (rock music) 1564 01:12:14,115 --> 01:12:16,653 - Just felt like things were like spinning a little bit 1565 01:12:16,653 --> 01:12:18,670 out of control, while at the same time 1566 01:12:18,670 --> 01:12:20,975 still keeping our momentum. 1567 01:12:20,975 --> 01:12:22,902 (rock music) 1568 01:12:22,902 --> 01:12:25,057 - So I'm your host, Matt Pinfield, up next it's the 1569 01:12:25,057 --> 01:12:27,015 latest from the Dayton, Ohio band, Brainiac. 1570 01:12:27,015 --> 01:12:29,299 This is the first clip off their third album, 1571 01:12:29,299 --> 01:12:31,504 Hissing Prigs In Static Culture. 1572 01:12:31,504 --> 01:12:33,909 It's called "Vincent Come on Down" 1573 01:12:33,909 --> 01:12:35,699 and here it is on 120 Minutes. 1574 01:12:35,699 --> 01:12:38,116 (rock music) 1575 01:12:41,310 --> 01:12:44,109 - Then it was like, whoa, and Spin's doing this 1576 01:12:44,109 --> 01:12:46,063 and you know, they're on MTV now. 1577 01:12:46,063 --> 01:12:48,480 (rock music) 1578 01:12:52,403 --> 01:12:54,903 - It was wild, Brainiac mania. 1579 01:12:55,839 --> 01:12:57,841 - They just say that about so many bands like there's 1580 01:12:57,841 --> 01:13:00,447 no one like them but they really do stand out. 1581 01:13:00,447 --> 01:13:03,115 ♪ Kiss all the babies and rub the politicos ♪ 1582 01:13:03,115 --> 01:13:05,667 ♪ Vincent come on down ♪ 1583 01:13:05,667 --> 01:13:08,364 - They were so special and like no one could deny it when 1584 01:13:08,364 --> 01:13:11,743 they saw it, whether it was MTV or like a major label. 1585 01:13:11,743 --> 01:13:13,976 ♪ Slice one open for the unknown soldier ♪ 1586 01:13:13,976 --> 01:13:16,470 ♪ Vincent come on down ♪ 1587 01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:18,479 - And somebody else called us up and was like, 1588 01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:22,213 Beck came and watched us at Lollapalooza. 1589 01:13:22,213 --> 01:13:24,604 Then Beck asked us to go on tour. 1590 01:13:24,604 --> 01:13:26,666 - It all seemed in line, going on tour with Beck 1591 01:13:26,666 --> 01:13:30,037 just seemed to be like, a part of that momentum. 1592 01:13:30,037 --> 01:13:32,117 - And that tour was fuckin' awesome, yeah, 1593 01:13:32,117 --> 01:13:34,147 I mean I think they're the biggest shows we ever played 1594 01:13:34,147 --> 01:13:38,599 in terms of like audience size and great after parties, 1595 01:13:38,599 --> 01:13:40,614 just felt like you were winning, you know, 1596 01:13:40,614 --> 01:13:42,094 like just things were happening. 1597 01:13:42,094 --> 01:13:45,012 - And just energy there was so incredible. 1598 01:13:45,012 --> 01:13:47,125 If you could somehow bottle that, it could 1599 01:13:47,125 --> 01:13:50,665 power an entire city, those shows were just incredible. 1600 01:13:50,665 --> 01:13:54,477 - On the Beck tour, just in the middle of a fuckin' song, 1601 01:13:54,477 --> 01:13:57,617 looking out and playing bass, just totally getting into it 1602 01:13:57,617 --> 01:14:00,204 and I just like, sometimes you just snap out of it and I 1603 01:14:00,204 --> 01:14:02,452 just like snapped out of it and I'm like, 1604 01:14:02,452 --> 01:14:04,964 what if this is the last time I do this? 1605 01:14:04,964 --> 01:14:07,079 Like, I remember thinking that, like, 1606 01:14:07,079 --> 01:14:09,672 what if this just stops today and I've always 1607 01:14:09,672 --> 01:14:11,224 kind of thought about that 'cause I remember 1608 01:14:11,224 --> 01:14:13,776 it was jarring like, just you know, it would jump around 1609 01:14:13,776 --> 01:14:17,228 a lot and just this moment of like, it just like 1610 01:14:17,228 --> 01:14:21,395 came into my head like, yeah, it was a very, yeah. 1611 01:14:24,274 --> 01:14:27,191 (distorted voices) 1612 01:14:34,569 --> 01:14:35,584 - Do we go now? 1613 01:14:35,584 --> 01:14:37,135 - [Director] Anytime you're ready yeah it's still recording. 1614 01:14:37,135 --> 01:14:40,368 - Hi, I'm Tyler and this is Tim and 1615 01:14:40,368 --> 01:14:45,118 we're from Brainiac and you're watching The New Frontier. 1616 01:14:45,987 --> 01:14:47,021 Good enough? 1617 01:14:47,021 --> 01:14:48,619 - Yeah. - My name's Todd Yunglen, 1618 01:14:48,619 --> 01:14:50,132 I already mentioned. 1619 01:14:50,132 --> 01:14:51,244 All right. 1620 01:14:51,244 --> 01:14:54,231 Thanks Ben, I'm here in the backstage of the side door, 1621 01:14:54,231 --> 01:14:57,108 actually above the side door in the very dim room 1622 01:14:57,108 --> 01:15:00,574 with two of the members of Brainiac. 1623 01:15:00,574 --> 01:15:02,811 You've got a new EP out, is that right? 1624 01:15:02,811 --> 01:15:03,644 - Yes, sir. 1625 01:15:03,644 --> 01:15:06,265 - And I really like it, Electro-Shock For President. 1626 01:15:06,265 --> 01:15:07,730 - That's true, that's true. 1627 01:15:07,730 --> 01:15:10,209 I'd like to introduce you to our bass player, Monasterio. 1628 01:15:10,209 --> 01:15:11,152 - Hi. 1629 01:15:11,152 --> 01:15:12,167 - Buenas noches. 1630 01:15:12,167 --> 01:15:13,834 - I'm in a band, 1631 01:15:13,834 --> 01:15:15,868 you're probably one of our biggest influences 1632 01:15:15,868 --> 01:15:16,855 as a matter of fact. 1633 01:15:16,855 --> 01:15:17,688 - I like it all right. - This song's good, 1634 01:15:17,688 --> 01:15:19,452 I don't know, I think in 20 years people are still 1635 01:15:19,452 --> 01:15:20,437 gonna be listening to it, that's 1636 01:15:20,437 --> 01:15:22,019 the thing. - I hope so. 1637 01:15:22,019 --> 01:15:24,352 - That's good 'cause we'll still be getting the checks then. 1638 01:15:24,352 --> 01:15:25,876 - But with that, every time I listen to it-- 1639 01:15:25,876 --> 01:15:27,586 - We just need more people like you to rip us off 1640 01:15:27,586 --> 01:15:29,269 and that'll sort of give us more credibility. 1641 01:15:29,269 --> 01:15:30,102 - Yeah. 1642 01:15:30,102 --> 01:15:32,141 - Keep the myth alive. 1643 01:15:32,141 --> 01:15:34,259 So please, tell your friends, rip Brainiac off. 1644 01:15:34,259 --> 01:15:37,233 - Rip Brainiac off, from Brainiac, from the horse's mouth. 1645 01:15:37,233 --> 01:15:39,959 Not to say that they're horses or that they have mouths but, 1646 01:15:39,959 --> 01:15:41,186 you know. - But we are both. 1647 01:15:41,186 --> 01:15:42,186 - Yeah true. 1648 01:15:44,036 --> 01:15:45,064 Back to you, Ben. 1649 01:15:45,064 --> 01:15:47,481 (rock music) 1650 01:15:50,328 --> 01:15:52,573 - We did the Beck tour and then we were 1651 01:15:52,573 --> 01:15:54,812 gathering pretty regularly. 1652 01:15:54,812 --> 01:15:57,879 - We were working on new songs trying to figure out 1653 01:15:57,879 --> 01:16:01,065 what the next record was gonna look like and also 1654 01:16:01,065 --> 01:16:03,830 just kind of in, you know, heavy discussion about the 1655 01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:07,664 future, you know, what label we would be on, 1656 01:16:07,664 --> 01:16:09,542 yeah so there was a lot going on there. 1657 01:16:09,542 --> 01:16:11,120 - We had a meeting and Tim was like, 1658 01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,079 we've toured, we've made these records. 1659 01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:16,617 He's like, if you guys wanna keep doing this, 1660 01:16:16,617 --> 01:16:18,583 then we have to keep pushing this thing forward 1661 01:16:18,583 --> 01:16:22,287 because otherwise this is like, then we can just be done. 1662 01:16:22,287 --> 01:16:24,214 I think he was drunk one time but he was like, 1663 01:16:24,214 --> 01:16:26,607 he got really wasted and he's like, he kept talking 1664 01:16:26,607 --> 01:16:28,821 about the phoenix, he's like, we gotta rise again 1665 01:16:28,821 --> 01:16:31,507 like the phoenix, like he just kept saying that 1666 01:16:31,507 --> 01:16:33,544 over and over again and that's what he was talking about 1667 01:16:33,544 --> 01:16:37,310 like we sorta had to destroy what we'd done before. 1668 01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:40,310 (synthesizer music) 1669 01:16:42,685 --> 01:16:44,481 - It was also a turning point because I think our 1670 01:16:44,481 --> 01:16:48,700 relationship, our creative partnership was basically 1671 01:16:48,700 --> 01:16:51,645 coming to an end, that they had kinda outgrown me 1672 01:16:51,645 --> 01:16:54,144 as a producer and so I was excited 1673 01:16:54,144 --> 01:16:55,591 to see what was gonna happen next. 1674 01:16:55,591 --> 01:16:57,788 - You know, we had made like three records with Eli. 1675 01:16:57,788 --> 01:17:00,788 We were deciding to just branch out. 1676 01:17:02,395 --> 01:17:05,395 (synthesizer music) 1677 01:17:06,999 --> 01:17:10,671 - We were using trigger drums, samplers, drum machines, 1678 01:17:10,671 --> 01:17:12,086 while at the same time sort of mixing it 1679 01:17:12,086 --> 01:17:14,019 in with the low-fi aesthetic. 1680 01:17:14,019 --> 01:17:16,798 ♪ Go on and give me some fresh new eyes ♪ 1681 01:17:16,798 --> 01:17:19,686 ♪ Just my tongue in a new disguise ♪ 1682 01:17:19,686 --> 01:17:24,686 ♪ Go on and give me a sexy mouth to taste it ♪ 1683 01:17:24,938 --> 01:17:28,176 He was trying to push that stuff in as much as he could 1684 01:17:28,176 --> 01:17:31,376 while still keeping a little bit, I guess, of what we had. 1685 01:17:31,376 --> 01:17:33,391 (synthesizer music) 1686 01:17:33,391 --> 01:17:35,891 ♪ To taste it ♪ 1687 01:17:38,805 --> 01:17:41,568 - That was us kind of trying to take it to the next level, 1688 01:17:41,568 --> 01:17:44,552 we started using samplers and just other experiments. 1689 01:17:44,552 --> 01:17:46,806 I got into circuit bending at the time. 1690 01:17:46,806 --> 01:17:48,974 - [Director] What's that song sound like? 1691 01:17:48,974 --> 01:17:52,807 (makes circuit bending sound) 1692 01:17:55,328 --> 01:17:57,715 With a kind of a French guy. 1693 01:17:57,715 --> 01:18:00,769 (speaking foreign language) 1694 01:18:00,769 --> 01:18:02,389 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that one. 1695 01:18:02,389 --> 01:18:05,747 - Bands have a tendency to just repeat themselves. 1696 01:18:05,747 --> 01:18:08,814 - Once that band develops an identity and they start 1697 01:18:08,814 --> 01:18:12,433 getting rewarded, there is a strong incentive 1698 01:18:12,433 --> 01:18:14,429 to stop experimenting and keep doing 1699 01:18:14,429 --> 01:18:16,062 the thing that people like. 1700 01:18:16,062 --> 01:18:18,654 - So when you hear groups make radical changes like this, 1701 01:18:18,654 --> 01:18:20,194 I think of a band like Radiohead or somethin'. 1702 01:18:20,194 --> 01:18:22,106 Then you realize something's at work that's like, 1703 01:18:22,106 --> 01:18:23,704 there's a lot of possibility there. 1704 01:18:23,704 --> 01:18:25,337 Whether it's based on the friendships of the people 1705 01:18:25,337 --> 01:18:28,091 in the group or somehow in that dynamic 1706 01:18:28,091 --> 01:18:29,819 that change is possible. 1707 01:18:29,819 --> 01:18:31,910 I don't think it's possible in every group. 1708 01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:33,286 - Some of those things were like kind of four track 1709 01:18:33,286 --> 01:18:36,781 experiments, some bits at home and then we brought 1710 01:18:36,781 --> 01:18:39,993 the reels in to Jim O'Rourke's studio. 1711 01:18:39,993 --> 01:18:43,556 - I mean the first thing that occurred to me was that 1712 01:18:43,556 --> 01:18:46,212 they were integrating these things in a much more 1713 01:18:46,212 --> 01:18:47,776 interesting way than other bands. 1714 01:18:47,776 --> 01:18:49,058 - Working with Jim was great. 1715 01:18:49,058 --> 01:18:52,298 I liked a lot of his records that he had made and 1716 01:18:52,298 --> 01:18:54,040 he's a improviser as well. 1717 01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,873 - Usually mixing people's records. 1718 01:18:57,874 --> 01:18:59,317 They would come to me with something 1719 01:18:59,317 --> 01:19:01,382 they didn't know what to do with anymore. 1720 01:19:01,382 --> 01:19:03,031 (laughs) 1721 01:19:03,031 --> 01:19:07,458 I sort of became the go to guy for when you've hit a wall. 1722 01:19:07,458 --> 01:19:08,291 (laughs) 1723 01:19:08,291 --> 01:19:11,029 - We brought this like, 1724 01:19:11,029 --> 01:19:14,866 you know, murky sounding recording with a wet blanket 1725 01:19:14,866 --> 01:19:18,052 like draped over it and was like, 1726 01:19:18,052 --> 01:19:19,709 can you make this into a Brainiac record? 1727 01:19:19,709 --> 01:19:23,000 ♪ I know how it feels when I need a disaster ♪ 1728 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,272 ♪ And everything I cannot have ♪ 1729 01:19:26,272 --> 01:19:30,700 - Electro-Shock For President record, I thought that was 1730 01:19:30,700 --> 01:19:32,831 one of the best records I'd heard. 1731 01:19:32,831 --> 01:19:35,855 - Electro-Shock For President, pretty fucking amazing. 1732 01:19:35,855 --> 01:19:37,416 It's pretty ahead of its time too. 1733 01:19:37,416 --> 01:19:41,401 - The EP they did with Jim was tremendous. 1734 01:19:41,401 --> 01:19:43,818 (rock music) 1735 01:19:45,785 --> 01:19:47,754 - It kinda made me realize at the time I thought, 1736 01:19:47,754 --> 01:19:50,591 wow this band's really capable of something, 1737 01:19:50,591 --> 01:19:52,076 I think extraordinary. 1738 01:19:52,076 --> 01:19:54,493 (rock music) 1739 01:19:55,935 --> 01:19:56,768 (audience cheers) 1740 01:19:56,768 --> 01:19:58,466 - Thank you, that was a new number. 1741 01:19:58,466 --> 01:19:59,921 - And this is one of the hits. 1742 01:19:59,921 --> 01:20:02,080 - You'll be hearing a lot of this song in the future. 1743 01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,089 - I think I'd had like a talk with Tim 1744 01:20:04,089 --> 01:20:06,275 about like, what the future was gonna be like, 1745 01:20:06,275 --> 01:20:08,273 it just didn't feel that resistance anymore. 1746 01:20:08,273 --> 01:20:10,527 I think he just had become okay with like, 1747 01:20:10,527 --> 01:20:12,148 we're gonna do this major label thing. 1748 01:20:12,148 --> 01:20:14,306 - You know, when you're that in demand, 1749 01:20:14,306 --> 01:20:16,898 you can set the rules and set the guidelines. 1750 01:20:16,898 --> 01:20:19,668 If I choose your label, you have to let me 1751 01:20:19,668 --> 01:20:23,383 do things this way and they became that in demand. 1752 01:20:23,383 --> 01:20:26,822 - It just kinda seemed like the next logical step 1753 01:20:26,822 --> 01:20:28,837 in the evolution of Brainiac to just go to 1754 01:20:28,837 --> 01:20:31,360 that next level with a major label. 1755 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,319 - A cloud had been lifted, I think things had been 1756 01:20:33,319 --> 01:20:35,828 kinda worked out, we'd sort of decided who we were gonna 1757 01:20:35,828 --> 01:20:38,719 sign with, some of the other acting out that was going on in 1758 01:20:38,719 --> 01:20:41,820 the band, like, that had also been addressed finally 1759 01:20:41,820 --> 01:20:44,065 and I just think we were just in a really good spot. 1760 01:20:44,065 --> 01:20:46,482 (rock music) 1761 01:20:48,034 --> 01:20:51,878 - We were supposed to fly to New York the following week to 1762 01:20:51,878 --> 01:20:55,115 talk to Interscope or maybe another label. 1763 01:20:55,115 --> 01:20:57,923 - Meet with a lawyer, talk about contracts, 1764 01:20:57,923 --> 01:20:59,654 options, all that kind of stuff. 1765 01:20:59,654 --> 01:21:03,056 - You know, working through this new thing 1766 01:21:03,056 --> 01:21:05,447 for whatever the next LP would be. 1767 01:21:05,447 --> 01:21:07,864 (rock music) 1768 01:21:13,507 --> 01:21:15,560 - Just kept getting better and better and better. 1769 01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,029 (rock music) 1770 01:21:17,029 --> 01:21:21,658 Rick Rubin's called and he wants to produce your record. 1771 01:21:21,658 --> 01:21:23,987 I was like, oh that's cool then I get another call 1772 01:21:23,987 --> 01:21:26,554 and they're like, Rage Against The Machine called, 1773 01:21:26,554 --> 01:21:28,853 they want you to go on tour with them 1774 01:21:28,853 --> 01:21:31,283 and we're like, that's pretty fuckin' cool. 1775 01:21:31,283 --> 01:21:33,456 (rock music) 1776 01:21:33,456 --> 01:21:37,773 We were at the final word on the final page of the chapter 1777 01:21:37,773 --> 01:21:39,424 and it felt like okay now we're gonna, 1778 01:21:39,424 --> 01:21:40,649 here's the next chapter. 1779 01:21:40,649 --> 01:21:42,825 - Having your band from the beginning, 1780 01:21:42,825 --> 01:21:46,209 having your like, boys from home that you 1781 01:21:46,209 --> 01:21:47,777 get onto the world stage. 1782 01:21:47,777 --> 01:21:49,702 ♪ They hold you together ♪ 1783 01:21:49,702 --> 01:21:53,946 ♪ Flash ram ♪ 1784 01:21:53,946 --> 01:21:56,619 ♪ Flip the switch burn me again ♪ 1785 01:21:56,619 --> 01:21:58,678 ♪ Spark me out ♪ 1786 01:21:58,678 --> 01:22:01,320 - You know, but you know, like you said, 1787 01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,820 things happen the way they do. 1788 01:22:05,973 --> 01:22:09,953 ♪ I'll solo out my innocence ♪ 1789 01:22:09,953 --> 01:22:11,591 ♪ And use it as ♪ 1790 01:22:11,591 --> 01:22:12,829 - They weren't trying to be current, 1791 01:22:12,829 --> 01:22:15,195 they were trying to be timeless. 1792 01:22:15,195 --> 01:22:17,643 They were making art, they were making somethin' that was 1793 01:22:17,643 --> 01:22:19,800 gonna withstand the test of time. 1794 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:21,774 It was craft, it wasn't like, oh we have to 1795 01:22:21,774 --> 01:22:23,556 have something so we can go on tour. 1796 01:22:23,556 --> 01:22:27,858 We have to have something so that we can get reviews. 1797 01:22:27,858 --> 01:22:28,815 No, like, they were making 1798 01:22:28,815 --> 01:22:32,082 great records to make great records 1799 01:22:32,082 --> 01:22:34,122 and then they played live shows because they liked to 1800 01:22:34,122 --> 01:22:37,027 play great live shows and those things go together. 1801 01:22:37,027 --> 01:22:39,967 (rock music) 1802 01:22:39,967 --> 01:22:40,800 Yeah well. 1803 01:22:45,410 --> 01:22:46,660 I still see it. 1804 01:22:50,383 --> 01:22:53,050 - [Director] Well look, let me-- 1805 01:22:55,933 --> 01:22:58,431 - It was on the news while I was eating dinner 1806 01:22:58,431 --> 01:23:02,447 and for some reason I didn't look at the TV. 1807 01:23:02,447 --> 01:23:05,545 ♪ That you are ♪ 1808 01:23:05,545 --> 01:23:07,793 ♪ Don't call it payback ♪ 1809 01:23:07,793 --> 01:23:10,525 And I remember hearin', when they were interviewin' 1810 01:23:10,525 --> 01:23:12,078 the policeman, he was sayin' that was 1811 01:23:12,078 --> 01:23:14,036 one of the worst crashes he'd ever seen. 1812 01:23:14,036 --> 01:23:17,930 ♪ Covering the wrinkles cast the mold ♪ 1813 01:23:17,930 --> 01:23:20,904 ♪ Features fold the blankets of a ♪ 1814 01:23:20,904 --> 01:23:25,904 And then my cousin called me and she told me that was him 1815 01:23:25,933 --> 01:23:28,516 and I just couldn't believe it. 1816 01:23:30,538 --> 01:23:33,231 ♪ If I could catch up with the chameleon ♪ 1817 01:23:33,231 --> 01:23:35,167 - I get a call and it's my sister 1818 01:23:35,167 --> 01:23:37,451 and she's just freaking out. 1819 01:23:37,451 --> 01:23:39,831 ♪ If I could catch up with the chameleon ♪ 1820 01:23:39,831 --> 01:23:41,363 They had been trying to get a hold of me 1821 01:23:41,363 --> 01:23:43,162 and they didn't know where I was. 1822 01:23:43,162 --> 01:23:46,732 They thought I was like, in the car maybe 1823 01:23:46,732 --> 01:23:49,688 and then they sort of told me and I was just like-- 1824 01:23:49,688 --> 01:23:52,688 (synthesizer music) 1825 01:23:53,668 --> 01:23:56,749 - I don't think I had any reaction at all. 1826 01:23:56,749 --> 01:23:59,501 I was completely in shock. 1827 01:23:59,501 --> 01:24:03,187 (synthesizer music) 1828 01:24:03,187 --> 01:24:08,187 Drove down Main Street and made it about a quarter of a mile 1829 01:24:08,792 --> 01:24:10,868 and I just pulled into the gas station 1830 01:24:10,868 --> 01:24:12,550 that was there and I just lost it. 1831 01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:15,356 ♪ If I could catch up with the chameleon ♪ 1832 01:24:15,356 --> 01:24:16,920 - I just went into Tim's room and was 1833 01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,010 just like looking at his stuff and-- 1834 01:24:19,010 --> 01:24:21,475 ♪ If I could catch up with the chameleon ♪ 1835 01:24:21,475 --> 01:24:22,596 I just remember-- 1836 01:24:22,596 --> 01:24:25,420 ♪ If I could catch up with the chameleon ♪ 1837 01:24:25,420 --> 01:24:26,337 Being numb. 1838 01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:32,592 - We were just, it was just unbelievable. 1839 01:24:32,592 --> 01:24:34,460 Yeah, couldn't believe it. 1840 01:24:34,460 --> 01:24:37,460 (synthesizer music) 1841 01:24:44,062 --> 01:24:46,857 (somber music) 1842 01:24:46,857 --> 01:24:49,015 - I just thought it was horrible, I mean, 1843 01:24:49,015 --> 01:24:52,036 you feel sorry for the people that are around him 1844 01:24:52,036 --> 01:24:53,571 more than anything. 1845 01:24:53,571 --> 01:24:56,288 - I think a lot of people just, 1846 01:24:56,288 --> 01:25:00,096 myself included, just compartmentalized it, you know? 1847 01:25:00,096 --> 01:25:03,531 Because trying to make sense out of something like that, 1848 01:25:03,531 --> 01:25:07,218 it doesn't, there is no rhyme or reason to it. 1849 01:25:07,218 --> 01:25:10,653 What happened that night, like, I wasn't there, 1850 01:25:10,653 --> 01:25:13,932 I know what different people have said and like, 1851 01:25:13,932 --> 01:25:16,469 it was just like, it didn't make any sense. 1852 01:25:16,469 --> 01:25:18,041 - I know it was a car accident but beyond that, 1853 01:25:18,041 --> 01:25:21,133 I don't know what the circumstances were. 1854 01:25:21,133 --> 01:25:24,397 - I heard it was icy, I heard it was, I still don't know. 1855 01:25:24,397 --> 01:25:28,327 - From what I understood, is that Tim had this 72 Mercedes, 1856 01:25:28,327 --> 01:25:30,571 he loved this car, it was green and 1857 01:25:30,571 --> 01:25:32,553 just loved driving around town. 1858 01:25:32,553 --> 01:25:35,517 - I remember Tim had just bought that Mercedes-Benz 1859 01:25:35,517 --> 01:25:38,391 and he opened the trunk for us, it was like, 1860 01:25:38,391 --> 01:25:40,853 totally rusted out in the back so the, 1861 01:25:40,853 --> 01:25:44,017 you know, the exhaust was just 1862 01:25:44,017 --> 01:25:46,175 coming into the vehicle and he basically said, 1863 01:25:46,175 --> 01:25:49,092 like, yeah it's got some issues and 1864 01:25:50,069 --> 01:25:53,555 you know, five days later that was when it happened 1865 01:25:53,555 --> 01:25:56,683 and basically it was just the carbon monoxide 1866 01:25:56,683 --> 01:25:59,063 was building up in his system, like during those days. 1867 01:25:59,063 --> 01:26:00,396 - He just slowly 1868 01:26:01,646 --> 01:26:04,328 reached the threshold of that carbon monoxide poisoning 1869 01:26:04,328 --> 01:26:06,797 and just happened to be driving home at the time 1870 01:26:06,797 --> 01:26:10,161 and lost control of the car and hit this pole, 1871 01:26:10,161 --> 01:26:12,577 so that's how I understand what happened. 1872 01:26:12,577 --> 01:26:16,704 (distorted piano music) 1873 01:26:16,704 --> 01:26:17,621 - You know, 1874 01:26:20,544 --> 01:26:22,861 part of the tragedy is just what 1875 01:26:22,861 --> 01:26:26,904 would have been next, you know, really. 1876 01:26:26,904 --> 01:26:30,154 'Cause I don't think that unit was done 1877 01:26:31,914 --> 01:26:33,972 speaking, really, you know? 1878 01:26:33,972 --> 01:26:38,011 - To me, Tim was Brainiac, so the minute I got that call, 1879 01:26:38,011 --> 01:26:40,923 I was like, I was just like, okay this is just done. 1880 01:26:40,923 --> 01:26:43,900 - We just really enjoyed what we were doing as Brainiac and 1881 01:26:43,900 --> 01:26:47,041 you know, that was gone, it was tough livin' without that 1882 01:26:47,041 --> 01:26:49,847 'cause it was who we were for the past five 1883 01:26:49,847 --> 01:26:52,926 solid straight years, that's all we knew, it's all we did, 1884 01:26:52,926 --> 01:26:55,306 was just, you know, make music and travel and tour 1885 01:26:55,306 --> 01:26:57,822 and see the world and meet amazing people 1886 01:26:57,822 --> 01:26:59,572 and it was just gone. 1887 01:27:02,683 --> 01:27:05,893 - I just didn't really talk to people from before like, 1888 01:27:05,893 --> 01:27:09,498 I just cut myself off from that world almost completely 1889 01:27:09,498 --> 01:27:13,510 and just like this wall came down and then I was just like, 1890 01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:17,121 I didn't really have the tools to deal with it. 1891 01:27:17,121 --> 01:27:19,690 - I just didn't wanna do anything, didn't wanna 1892 01:27:19,690 --> 01:27:23,523 leave the house, just utter, total depression. 1893 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,848 - The practical side of me just, like, I guess I gotta 1894 01:27:26,848 --> 01:27:29,550 go get a job, gotta figure out what my job is gonna be. 1895 01:27:29,550 --> 01:27:31,966 - When the dust had settled I went around the neighborhood 1896 01:27:31,966 --> 01:27:34,378 to try and find work and there was a place called 1897 01:27:34,378 --> 01:27:37,270 Park Chili, I remember going there, manager's looking over 1898 01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:40,819 and he's like, so what brings you to Park Chili? 1899 01:27:40,819 --> 01:27:43,390 And I didn't cry but it was just almost like a breaking 1900 01:27:43,390 --> 01:27:47,024 point for me 'cause I was not gonna tell this guy like, 1901 01:27:47,024 --> 01:27:50,444 what had just happened to me but I was just kinda like, 1902 01:27:50,444 --> 01:27:53,551 well I just love chili, sir, you know? 1903 01:27:53,551 --> 01:27:57,942 And as soon as I left there I was just like, this is nuts, 1904 01:27:57,942 --> 01:28:00,027 I can't, I gotta figure something out. 1905 01:28:00,027 --> 01:28:02,944 (distorted voices) 1906 01:28:33,296 --> 01:28:35,179 - Tim's passing was clearly an explosion that just 1907 01:28:35,179 --> 01:28:37,449 rocked everything and sent everyone 1908 01:28:37,449 --> 01:28:39,220 careening in different directions. 1909 01:28:39,220 --> 01:28:42,176 - You know, once someone is gone, 1910 01:28:42,176 --> 01:28:46,428 it's the job of the survivors to pick up the pieces and 1911 01:28:46,428 --> 01:28:48,740 figure out what works from there or not. 1912 01:28:48,740 --> 01:28:51,828 (rock music) 1913 01:28:51,828 --> 01:28:55,031 - Brainiac was done in 1997 and my own personal life 1914 01:28:55,031 --> 01:28:59,227 just kind of spiraled outta control, just drug addiction 1915 01:28:59,227 --> 01:29:02,219 and very rapidly put on a bunch of weight. 1916 01:29:02,219 --> 01:29:04,719 I was a wreck, I was a mess. 1917 01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:06,879 - It's kind of a fog what happened to me. 1918 01:29:06,879 --> 01:29:09,007 My strategy was just to cut myself off. 1919 01:29:09,007 --> 01:29:11,070 You just move somewhere else and start again and just 1920 01:29:11,070 --> 01:29:13,938 do something else and don't really talk to your old friends. 1921 01:29:13,938 --> 01:29:15,811 - I was like, you know, I was depressed, 1922 01:29:15,811 --> 01:29:18,921 trying to make music, some people say you can't run away 1923 01:29:18,921 --> 01:29:23,004 from your problems but sometimes a fresh start is 1924 01:29:23,900 --> 01:29:26,914 an entirely different matter, you know? 1925 01:29:26,914 --> 01:29:30,247 Loaded up all my worldly possessions and 1926 01:29:31,420 --> 01:29:33,405 drove to New York. 1927 01:29:33,405 --> 01:29:36,007 Some of the details are fuzzy, you know? 1928 01:29:36,007 --> 01:29:39,373 - It wasn't until Kim Deal asked me to 1929 01:29:39,373 --> 01:29:41,872 play on a Breeders record that I kinda popped 1930 01:29:41,872 --> 01:29:44,489 out of it a little bit and got together and 1931 01:29:44,489 --> 01:29:47,141 started playing drums again and went up to New York 1932 01:29:47,141 --> 01:29:50,374 for a couple months and we were up there for a while, 1933 01:29:50,374 --> 01:29:53,071 a lot longer than expected, I was gettin' pretty burned 1934 01:29:53,071 --> 01:29:56,512 out so I just left to go get a slice of pizza 1935 01:29:56,512 --> 01:30:00,269 and got on the airplane and went home to Dayton. 1936 01:30:00,269 --> 01:30:02,431 ♪ Put your fingers down ♪ 1937 01:30:02,431 --> 01:30:05,287 And when I came back home from that it was just kinda 1938 01:30:05,287 --> 01:30:09,857 back to the same depression and just doing nothin' really. 1939 01:30:09,857 --> 01:30:12,612 - There's just not a solution to that. 1940 01:30:12,612 --> 01:30:14,695 Yeah, there's not a like, 1941 01:30:15,740 --> 01:30:18,954 I don't know, maybe people just do what they can do, 1942 01:30:18,954 --> 01:30:23,243 like they deal with it the way that they can deal with it. 1943 01:30:23,243 --> 01:30:26,421 (guitar music) 1944 01:30:26,421 --> 01:30:28,837 - I think it was therapeutic for him to continue 1945 01:30:28,837 --> 01:30:33,221 making music, everyone was stunned and his way out 1946 01:30:33,221 --> 01:30:34,784 was to keep making music. 1947 01:30:34,784 --> 01:30:37,346 - You know, I was always still tinkering a little bit 1948 01:30:37,346 --> 01:30:39,205 on my own just recording on a 1949 01:30:39,205 --> 01:30:41,788 four track and stuff like that. 1950 01:30:42,827 --> 01:30:45,272 And just really being in a new environment 1951 01:30:45,272 --> 01:30:48,249 and that, that's how Enon started. 1952 01:30:48,249 --> 01:30:51,191 (rock music) 1953 01:30:51,191 --> 01:30:52,823 ♪ You carve a place I'll keep it clean ♪ 1954 01:30:52,823 --> 01:30:55,097 - I don't know how long it took for like, 1955 01:30:55,097 --> 01:30:58,119 for John to put it back together and start something new, 1956 01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:00,208 Enon, you know, which then became like 1957 01:31:00,208 --> 01:31:02,361 a really influential, brilliant band. 1958 01:31:02,361 --> 01:31:05,335 - John kinda spiritually just kept going. 1959 01:31:05,335 --> 01:31:07,801 Took what he was doing in Brainiac and just kept going 1960 01:31:07,801 --> 01:31:09,941 and augmented it and still to this day 1961 01:31:09,941 --> 01:31:12,191 is doing interesting music. 1962 01:31:13,307 --> 01:31:16,231 - Where I am today is, you know, it's all progression 1963 01:31:16,231 --> 01:31:20,052 that makes sense to me now, part of my momentum in 1964 01:31:20,052 --> 01:31:24,506 moving forward, it's not like painful for me to look back, 1965 01:31:24,506 --> 01:31:28,450 it's just like, kinda draining, it's like, that was 1966 01:31:28,450 --> 01:31:30,677 like a lifetime ago, it feels like. 1967 01:31:30,677 --> 01:31:32,356 - Schmersal, I definitely kept in touch with 1968 01:31:32,356 --> 01:31:35,404 and in terms of his kinda commitment to music. 1969 01:31:35,404 --> 01:31:38,066 Juan, I, again, think about as like a business person 1970 01:31:38,066 --> 01:31:40,265 who just went and was like, well, you know, I'll move 1971 01:31:40,265 --> 01:31:44,313 and I'll get job and things related to what I believe in. 1972 01:31:44,313 --> 01:31:48,153 - I'm a motion graphics designer, work a regular job. 1973 01:31:48,153 --> 01:31:50,161 People don't really know what you did. 1974 01:31:50,161 --> 01:31:52,419 Maybe you're not who you were before but 1975 01:31:52,419 --> 01:31:56,227 you're definitely, you can be somebody else. 1976 01:31:56,227 --> 01:31:58,575 - [Director] You can be somebody else but you haven't-- 1977 01:31:58,575 --> 01:32:00,429 - Yeah you don't process-- - Yeah, so it's like, 1978 01:32:00,429 --> 01:32:03,176 my question is, how long did it take for you to-- 1979 01:32:03,176 --> 01:32:05,579 - Well that's what I'm saying, if that's my strategy, 1980 01:32:05,579 --> 01:32:06,968 did I process it, I don't think I 1981 01:32:06,968 --> 01:32:09,931 really did, like I don't know. 1982 01:32:09,931 --> 01:32:13,041 You know, I think if you poked me hard enough, 1983 01:32:13,041 --> 01:32:16,595 it probably would all come out pretty easily but like, 1984 01:32:16,595 --> 01:32:21,095 I feel like, you know, I put in 20 years to not really 1985 01:32:22,289 --> 01:32:25,126 try to deal with it too much so and then 1986 01:32:25,126 --> 01:32:27,694 time definitely helps, you put it far enough behind you, 1987 01:32:27,694 --> 01:32:29,861 it's like, it gets easier. 1988 01:32:33,205 --> 01:32:35,939 - John's doing Enon and Juan's gone in different directions, 1989 01:32:35,939 --> 01:32:38,334 you know, and clearly Tyler had gone 1990 01:32:38,334 --> 01:32:40,495 in a whole different direction too. 1991 01:32:40,495 --> 01:32:41,963 (audience applause) 1992 01:32:41,963 --> 01:32:43,546 - Say, he is risen. 1993 01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:45,654 He is risen. 1994 01:32:45,654 --> 01:32:49,871 Around 2007, I found myself just like, in the pretty much 1995 01:32:49,871 --> 01:32:53,239 the darkest, lowest possible place I could be. 1996 01:32:53,239 --> 01:32:55,957 It's the drug addiction and just all this crazy stuff. 1997 01:32:55,957 --> 01:32:58,374 I stayed in that darkness for 1998 01:33:00,206 --> 01:33:03,743 about a decade so it was like a 10 year journey 1999 01:33:03,743 --> 01:33:06,326 of just spiraling outta control 2000 01:33:07,742 --> 01:33:10,423 and so I went back to my church that 2001 01:33:10,423 --> 01:33:12,107 I grew up in as a child. 2002 01:33:12,107 --> 01:33:16,050 I came back to my church just full of doubts and 2003 01:33:16,050 --> 01:33:18,418 just read a whole bunch of books and 2004 01:33:18,418 --> 01:33:20,236 started reading the bible again and 2005 01:33:20,236 --> 01:33:22,016 kinda gettin' a fresh start. 2006 01:33:22,016 --> 01:33:24,228 Hey, Happy Easter! 2007 01:33:24,228 --> 01:33:26,383 And I started servin' to my church and 2008 01:33:26,383 --> 01:33:29,002 I started playin' drums in the band and 2009 01:33:29,002 --> 01:33:31,127 then I came on part time and now I'm there full time 2010 01:33:31,127 --> 01:33:34,645 as an assistant pastor and I just love what I do. 2011 01:33:34,645 --> 01:33:38,131 I'm grateful to be breathin' much less to be 2012 01:33:38,131 --> 01:33:42,688 able to do what I do and so I'm very grateful. 2013 01:33:42,688 --> 01:33:46,702 - [Director] Okay just stand by and mark it. 2014 01:33:46,702 --> 01:33:47,535 (laughter) 2015 01:33:47,535 --> 01:33:48,368 - Perfect. 2016 01:33:49,804 --> 01:33:52,279 - What's been cool is over the past few years, we've 2017 01:33:52,279 --> 01:33:54,047 definitely been reconnected which has been 2018 01:33:54,047 --> 01:33:56,917 wonderful and I don't want that to ever end. 2019 01:33:56,917 --> 01:33:58,653 I think for the most part we processed it 2020 01:33:58,653 --> 01:33:59,945 individually, don't you think? 2021 01:33:59,945 --> 01:34:00,947 - Yeah. - Yeah. 2022 01:34:00,947 --> 01:34:02,461 I think it was really weird but I mean like-- 2023 01:34:02,461 --> 01:34:04,883 - Sure. - You're talking about some-- 2024 01:34:04,883 --> 01:34:07,137 - A cataclysmic change in everyone's lives. 2025 01:34:07,137 --> 01:34:09,063 - And also we just were like-- 2026 01:34:09,063 --> 01:34:10,423 - Planets realigned. 2027 01:34:10,423 --> 01:34:12,636 - When something like that happens, you just kind of, 2028 01:34:12,636 --> 01:34:14,675 at least for myself, it's just easier just to go off 2029 01:34:14,675 --> 01:34:16,117 by yourself and not be reminded of 2030 01:34:16,117 --> 01:34:17,610 like, everything you've lost. 2031 01:34:17,610 --> 01:34:21,282 - It was so bizarre, it was like a two fold grieving process 2032 01:34:21,282 --> 01:34:24,060 because first and foremost, you lost your best friend. 2033 01:34:24,060 --> 01:34:25,538 - Right. - And someone that 2034 01:34:25,538 --> 01:34:28,832 you were close to and you love but then once that 2035 01:34:28,832 --> 01:34:31,281 whole grieving process kind of started to die down, 2036 01:34:31,281 --> 01:34:35,277 then it really sunk in, like, oh my career's over. 2037 01:34:35,277 --> 01:34:37,419 You know, this dream of Brainiac. 2038 01:34:37,419 --> 01:34:40,325 - The shift of all of that stuff happening and then 2039 01:34:40,325 --> 01:34:41,821 all of that stuff not happening. 2040 01:34:41,821 --> 01:34:45,344 We just happened to have something really incredibly 2041 01:34:45,344 --> 01:34:46,603 tragic happen. - Right. 2042 01:34:46,603 --> 01:34:49,409 - And that forced a great change in 2043 01:34:49,409 --> 01:34:52,011 all of our lives, you know? 2044 01:34:52,011 --> 01:34:54,899 - Yeah, when we got back from tour, I mean, we probably 2045 01:34:54,899 --> 01:34:56,513 wouldn't talk for a while, I think. 2046 01:34:56,513 --> 01:34:57,346 (laughs) 2047 01:34:57,346 --> 01:34:59,802 Get me away from these people. 2048 01:34:59,802 --> 01:35:04,005 I've lived in a 85 Chevy van with for 45 days straight. 2049 01:35:04,005 --> 01:35:06,422 (rock music) 2050 01:35:10,943 --> 01:35:14,683 - I remember Tim's dad was, of course, very distraught 2051 01:35:14,683 --> 01:35:16,943 but he said something that was nice at the service, 2052 01:35:16,943 --> 01:35:21,106 he said that he was so happy with his life at that point, 2053 01:35:21,106 --> 01:35:24,308 you know, and in a way, I think this was a plea also to 2054 01:35:24,308 --> 01:35:26,159 the guys, the band mates themself to say, 2055 01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:27,222 try to remember that. 2056 01:35:27,222 --> 01:35:30,010 - I feel just so fortunate that I had been there to witness 2057 01:35:30,010 --> 01:35:34,140 the power and the magic and for unknown reason this 2058 01:35:34,140 --> 01:35:38,102 changing moment but I feel like I witnessed, 2059 01:35:38,102 --> 01:35:40,586 some said almost biblical, mythical thing. 2060 01:35:40,586 --> 01:35:43,729 - And I think Timmy would've led 2061 01:35:43,729 --> 01:35:46,234 a paradigm shift in musical taste. 2062 01:35:46,234 --> 01:35:47,915 I really do believe that. 2063 01:35:47,915 --> 01:35:51,946 I think that band was so cool and so unusual 2064 01:35:51,946 --> 01:35:54,544 that what we lost, not just was his life and you know, 2065 01:35:54,544 --> 01:35:56,466 clearly his friends and family lost that but I thought 2066 01:35:56,466 --> 01:35:57,909 that we could've lost something that was 2067 01:35:57,909 --> 01:36:00,002 more impactful to just the art. 2068 01:36:00,002 --> 01:36:03,335 - Hearing Tim's vocals, it's just crazy. 2069 01:36:05,578 --> 01:36:08,316 Just weird to go back to those tracks and just suddenly 2070 01:36:08,316 --> 01:36:10,950 turn it on and be like, oh there he is. 2071 01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:14,096 He's not gone, he's right there, like 2072 01:36:14,096 --> 01:36:16,346 fully alive singing at you. 2073 01:36:17,747 --> 01:36:19,568 - Yeah that's haunting. - Yeah. 2074 01:36:19,568 --> 01:36:22,318 It's crazy but it's also awesome. 2075 01:36:24,530 --> 01:36:26,824 ♪ I've got ♪ 2076 01:36:26,824 --> 01:36:29,657 ♪ You for the day ♪ 2077 01:36:31,591 --> 01:36:34,841 - When I was going through some posters 2078 01:36:36,252 --> 01:36:38,012 getting ready to have some stuff scanned 2079 01:36:38,012 --> 01:36:40,012 to send to you actually, 2080 01:36:40,932 --> 01:36:43,226 there was a music box that I hadn't played in years, 2081 01:36:43,226 --> 01:36:46,134 so it's a little man at a piano and he was sitting 2082 01:36:46,134 --> 01:36:49,182 clear across the room and I found this one poster and I 2083 01:36:49,182 --> 01:36:51,158 thought, oh yeah I'd forgotten about this one 2084 01:36:51,158 --> 01:36:54,430 and I was rolling it open and I heard just like 2085 01:36:54,430 --> 01:36:56,440 two or three notes from the music box and I thought 2086 01:36:56,440 --> 01:37:00,714 that did not just happen, I mean, it's, I know it sounds 2087 01:37:00,714 --> 01:37:04,782 probably crazy to a lot of people but, it just, 2088 01:37:04,782 --> 01:37:07,842 to me it was a sign like, yeah, go through this stuff, 2089 01:37:07,842 --> 01:37:10,690 this is good for you, mom, because it was, you know, 2090 01:37:10,690 --> 01:37:13,226 like I said it was hard for me to, for a long time 2091 01:37:13,226 --> 01:37:17,862 to look at the posters or watch videos or listen to the 2092 01:37:17,862 --> 01:37:22,434 music and it just, I don't know, it just, I've heard 2093 01:37:22,434 --> 01:37:25,105 from many people that think, he's out there 2094 01:37:25,105 --> 01:37:27,280 giving them little messages now and then. 2095 01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:31,254 - This dream that I had shortly after he passed away, 2096 01:37:31,254 --> 01:37:36,190 we hugged and he said, "I'm sorry, I didn't know." 2097 01:37:36,190 --> 01:37:38,994 And I said, "I know you didn't know." 2098 01:37:38,994 --> 01:37:42,430 And he says, "But I can't stay, I gotta go." 2099 01:37:42,430 --> 01:37:44,110 And I said, "I know." 2100 01:37:44,110 --> 01:37:46,610 And we hugged and that was it. 2101 01:37:49,286 --> 01:37:50,119 That was it. 2102 01:37:50,119 --> 01:37:52,369 (chuckles) 2103 01:37:53,614 --> 01:37:57,650 - I had this recurring dream, every single night. 2104 01:37:57,650 --> 01:38:02,150 I was in this unrecognizable bar and every single night 2105 01:38:02,150 --> 01:38:06,594 I'd walk in and I'd see Tim and I would instantly get 2106 01:38:06,594 --> 01:38:10,126 ecstatic to see him and then mad because I thought he was 2107 01:38:10,126 --> 01:38:12,702 faking the whole thing or somethin' and just like took off 2108 01:38:12,702 --> 01:38:14,594 and didn't wanna do Brainiac anymore, you know how 2109 01:38:14,594 --> 01:38:18,462 dreams are and then I'd always run to him and the joy 2110 01:38:18,462 --> 01:38:22,422 would overtake that and every single night I would hug him 2111 01:38:22,422 --> 01:38:25,256 and as I would hug him, he would just slither out of my arms 2112 01:38:25,256 --> 01:38:27,808 and disappear and that was the end of the dream. 2113 01:38:27,808 --> 01:38:31,334 I had that exact same dream what felt like forever 2114 01:38:31,334 --> 01:38:34,977 and I don't why, I don't know what it meant but eventually 2115 01:38:34,977 --> 01:38:37,274 the dream just stopped and I don't know if 2116 01:38:37,274 --> 01:38:40,191 you'd call that closure or not but, 2117 01:38:41,366 --> 01:38:43,946 yeah, I don't know what you'd call that. 2118 01:38:43,946 --> 01:38:46,934 - I was, I came home from work and I was just 2119 01:38:46,934 --> 01:38:49,376 kinda mad at somebody and I was kinda complaining 2120 01:38:49,376 --> 01:38:51,932 to him about it and he said, "Mom, I think you might be 2121 01:38:51,932 --> 01:38:54,228 overreacting," and he just looked a little annoyed 2122 01:38:54,228 --> 01:38:57,728 with me and I just it, it hurt my feelings 2123 01:39:00,016 --> 01:39:03,932 and he knew it hurt my feelings and so he felt bad about it 2124 01:39:03,932 --> 01:39:07,864 and the next day I came home from work and on the table 2125 01:39:07,864 --> 01:39:11,856 in the entrance was a little cactus with a note. 2126 01:39:11,856 --> 01:39:13,729 It doesn't want me telling this story. 2127 01:39:13,729 --> 01:39:15,288 (chuckles) 2128 01:39:15,288 --> 01:39:18,205 (distorted voices) 2129 01:39:22,872 --> 01:39:25,128 - I hope people realize that, yeah, this is a 2130 01:39:25,128 --> 01:39:28,640 tragic story but it's not a story about tragedy. 2131 01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,057 (rock music) 2132 01:39:57,496 --> 01:40:00,852 - Leading up to the show, like that day, it just seemed 2133 01:40:00,852 --> 01:40:03,608 kind of almost overwhelming then when we started playing 2134 01:40:03,608 --> 01:40:04,947 it was just, you know, it was such a 2135 01:40:04,947 --> 01:40:07,255 good time and it was great. 2136 01:40:07,255 --> 01:40:09,672 (rock music) 2137 01:40:11,603 --> 01:40:13,571 - You know, we made it about having guests, 2138 01:40:13,571 --> 01:40:16,031 involving other people that were like 2139 01:40:16,031 --> 01:40:17,392 related to the band. 2140 01:40:17,392 --> 01:40:20,890 - Even though I was lucky enough to work on this stuff, 2141 01:40:20,890 --> 01:40:23,359 I was a genuine fan of it too, so it's like, 2142 01:40:23,359 --> 01:40:25,271 it's just part of my musical history. 2143 01:40:25,271 --> 01:40:27,604 - I can't imagine my life if 2144 01:40:28,599 --> 01:40:29,880 Brainiac hadn't been in it. 2145 01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,384 - It felt like this is the time to do this. 2146 01:40:32,384 --> 01:40:35,192 Feel what you avoided before. 2147 01:40:35,192 --> 01:40:36,870 Kind of now or never. 2148 01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:39,196 (rock music) 2149 01:40:39,196 --> 01:40:41,924 - The show was spectacular and it was, 2150 01:40:41,924 --> 01:40:43,860 the energy, it was electric. 2151 01:40:43,860 --> 01:40:46,362 - It was just amazing to me to watch the reaction 2152 01:40:46,362 --> 01:40:50,144 to the music and just see all that energy and there was just 2153 01:40:50,144 --> 01:40:52,936 this overwhelming feeling of love in that room. 2154 01:40:52,936 --> 01:40:56,012 - That energy lives on through you, 2155 01:40:56,012 --> 01:40:58,498 you and all these other people. 2156 01:40:58,498 --> 01:41:01,676 From where I'm at, it's about celebrating that memory. 2157 01:41:01,676 --> 01:41:04,093 (rock music) 2158 01:41:10,352 --> 01:41:13,516 - I've always been very allergic to bands getting back 2159 01:41:13,516 --> 01:41:16,548 together, I don't wanna be up there and like not do it 2160 01:41:16,548 --> 01:41:21,320 justice so I feel like that gig turned out really great. 2161 01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:23,070 It just felt natural. 2162 01:41:26,076 --> 01:41:30,320 Doing these shows was more like therapy for me personally, 2163 01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,128 just being able to see all those people I hadn't seen 2164 01:41:33,128 --> 01:41:36,728 in years and realize like, how much, you know, 2165 01:41:36,728 --> 01:41:39,788 instead of internalizing this like, that the music 2166 01:41:39,788 --> 01:41:42,575 meant a lot to them and just see them again 2167 01:41:42,575 --> 01:41:44,452 and to have that experience. 2168 01:41:44,452 --> 01:41:48,440 - Just seeing that whole family of people and you know, 2169 01:41:48,440 --> 01:41:50,915 feeling that feeling of being sort of 2170 01:41:50,915 --> 01:41:54,428 part of the music world is like, it's a great feeling. 2171 01:41:54,428 --> 01:41:56,390 - I think a lot of it was cathartic and I think what 2172 01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:59,331 happened too, I wasn't prepared for how emotional 2173 01:41:59,331 --> 01:42:02,631 it was gonna be, like I was kind of a wreck 2174 01:42:02,631 --> 01:42:04,287 after the show, like in a good way, you know? 2175 01:42:04,287 --> 01:42:08,960 - And seeing people that you haven't seen in a long time 2176 01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:13,102 and it all kinda centers back to my brother. 2177 01:42:13,102 --> 01:42:15,020 It was kind of heartbreaking but on the other hand 2178 01:42:15,020 --> 01:42:18,964 it was like, wow, here we are and this music is livin' on 2179 01:42:18,964 --> 01:42:23,161 and people are playing it and there's so much love here and 2180 01:42:23,161 --> 01:42:25,640 wow, look at what he left behind. 2181 01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,460 - You know, Tim just, he died so suddenly and 2182 01:42:28,460 --> 01:42:30,648 it just changed my life forever 2183 01:42:30,648 --> 01:42:33,543 and I thought, it just felt like everything was over, 2184 01:42:33,543 --> 01:42:35,840 you know, the music, everything was the end 2185 01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:38,524 but I've come to realize lately that 2186 01:42:38,524 --> 01:42:42,241 you know, a huge part of Tim is still here. 2187 01:42:42,241 --> 01:42:46,548 His music and the memories and all the love that people feel 2188 01:42:46,548 --> 01:42:51,168 that's everywhere, that's still here and so his story really 2189 01:42:51,168 --> 01:42:55,335 didn't end 20 years ago, it's still being written. 2190 01:42:57,453 --> 01:42:59,870 (rock music) 2191 01:43:05,757 --> 01:43:08,176 ♪ Don't pop your carrot top ♪ 2192 01:43:08,176 --> 01:43:10,868 ♪ We're still waitin' for the martian dance ♪ 2193 01:43:10,868 --> 01:43:12,187 - You know, the School Of Rock stuff 2194 01:43:12,187 --> 01:43:14,424 that's been going on in Texas. 2195 01:43:14,424 --> 01:43:16,644 (rock music) 2196 01:43:16,644 --> 01:43:18,620 And I was like, oh my gosh, that's crazy. 2197 01:43:18,620 --> 01:43:20,639 - It's so amazing for me to be able to pass this on 2198 01:43:20,639 --> 01:43:24,256 to the next generation and they were playing with more 2199 01:43:24,256 --> 01:43:28,068 passion and power than I've ever seen them play 2200 01:43:28,068 --> 01:43:30,156 in their lives and some of those kids 2201 01:43:30,156 --> 01:43:32,800 I've been teaching for eight years. 2202 01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,402 ♪ 'Cause we're still waitin' for the martian dance ♪ 2203 01:43:35,402 --> 01:43:37,240 - They came from the 90s, were doing something completely 2204 01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:39,756 different, so then I was like, okay this band's like amazing 2205 01:43:39,756 --> 01:43:41,705 'cause they were super weird, and like I hadn't listened 2206 01:43:41,705 --> 01:43:44,824 to anything like it at all and so now I'm using them as like 2207 01:43:44,824 --> 01:43:47,625 a huge inspiration for like a bunch of stuff. 2208 01:43:47,625 --> 01:43:51,107 - [Trent] Brainiac's a band that's been 2209 01:43:51,107 --> 01:43:55,024 really inspiring to me from a sonic standpoint. 2210 01:43:55,875 --> 01:43:58,850 - You can kinda hear that and other people 2211 01:43:58,850 --> 01:44:01,247 took those influences and incorporated them 2212 01:44:01,247 --> 01:44:04,430 and Trent Reznor, you know, I guess was one of them. 2213 01:44:04,430 --> 01:44:06,918 - I don't think most people even realize that 2214 01:44:06,918 --> 01:44:10,651 it just has a stamp all over lots of, lots of pop culture. 2215 01:44:10,651 --> 01:44:12,826 - In the landscape, when I like, look at the 2216 01:44:12,826 --> 01:44:16,409 last 25 years, they definitely inspired me. 2217 01:44:18,066 --> 01:44:21,934 Make us all dream to find that kind of magic in the future. 2218 01:44:21,934 --> 01:44:26,611 - The impact is immeasurable still for people that like 2219 01:44:26,611 --> 01:44:29,106 any of the bands I'm with, I will always try to sit down 2220 01:44:29,106 --> 01:44:30,394 and say, if you like what I do, 2221 01:44:30,394 --> 01:44:33,814 you're gonna like what this did for me. 2222 01:44:33,814 --> 01:44:36,198 - I think the main inspiration that I got is just like, 2223 01:44:36,198 --> 01:44:38,973 just let go of all your insecurity, 2224 01:44:38,973 --> 01:44:41,223 just chase the wild sparks. 2225 01:44:44,747 --> 01:44:46,670 Just pushed all the walls out a little bit, you know? 2226 01:44:46,670 --> 01:44:48,918 Or just made you realize, like, there aren't any walls. 2227 01:44:48,918 --> 01:44:50,883 (piano music) 2228 01:44:50,883 --> 01:44:53,718 - The music is always there. 2229 01:44:53,718 --> 01:44:56,526 I mean as different as he was creatively, as a person 2230 01:44:56,526 --> 01:44:59,974 he was just very unique and yeah, I don't know, 2231 01:44:59,974 --> 01:45:02,706 charismatic and smart and, I don't know, 2232 01:45:02,706 --> 01:45:04,878 he was somebody I could talk to 2233 01:45:04,878 --> 01:45:09,878 and I hope the film brings out some of hanging out with Tim 2234 01:45:10,250 --> 01:45:12,615 but yeah I mean I really miss that. 2235 01:45:12,615 --> 01:45:16,686 - You know, I think Tim was extremely and uniquely gifted, 2236 01:45:16,686 --> 01:45:21,470 I really do, I think he was just an amazing mind, 2237 01:45:21,470 --> 01:45:23,720 a musical mind and in fact, 2238 01:45:25,158 --> 01:45:27,146 to this day, my favorite Brainiac songs 2239 01:45:27,146 --> 01:45:28,975 I don't even play on. 2240 01:45:28,975 --> 01:45:31,475 (piano music) 2241 01:45:33,658 --> 01:45:35,622 Those are just Tim, those are just Tim and 2242 01:45:35,622 --> 01:45:38,545 a four track and just his brilliant mind. 2243 01:45:38,545 --> 01:45:40,962 (piano music) 2244 01:45:40,962 --> 01:45:45,094 - Now I can finally after all these years, 2245 01:45:45,094 --> 01:45:48,170 really listen to the music, I couldn't for a long time. 2246 01:45:48,170 --> 01:45:50,905 You know, I could watch it in just small amounts 2247 01:45:50,905 --> 01:45:53,017 and then I would just almost feel like I was suffocating 2248 01:45:53,017 --> 01:45:57,725 because I missed him so much and a lot of that has changed 2249 01:45:57,725 --> 01:46:00,590 just recently and I'm hearing a lot of stories about 2250 01:46:00,590 --> 01:46:04,354 how he inspired people to follow their dreams and 2251 01:46:04,354 --> 01:46:09,354 that just feels great so I think this whole process, 2252 01:46:09,517 --> 01:46:13,350 the documentary, the tribute concert has just, 2253 01:46:14,965 --> 01:46:17,548 for me it's been so healing and 2254 01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:23,609 I just feel a lot of gratitude, I'm just really lucky 2255 01:46:23,609 --> 01:46:26,026 I got to be his mom, so it's, 2256 01:46:29,776 --> 01:46:31,764 I don't know how I got off on all that, but-- 2257 01:46:31,764 --> 01:46:32,973 (laughs) 2258 01:46:32,973 --> 01:46:35,473 (piano music) 2259 01:46:42,020 --> 01:46:43,711 - [Interviewer] It's gonna waste our time a bit, 2260 01:46:43,711 --> 01:46:46,325 all right, thank you, thank you, yeah. 2261 01:46:46,325 --> 01:46:50,989 Okay, so, just so when we lose the label on the tape 2262 01:46:50,989 --> 01:46:53,529 20 years from now when they're doing the big rockumentary, 2263 01:46:53,529 --> 01:46:55,841 no all right, can you give me your name? 2264 01:46:55,841 --> 01:46:59,957 - My name's Tim and I play the synthesizer and I sing. 2265 01:46:59,957 --> 01:47:02,878 - If we got to shine in that period of time, 2266 01:47:02,878 --> 01:47:05,606 I think that was a great time to shine. 2267 01:47:05,606 --> 01:47:08,025 You're just like the guy like in the western, 2268 01:47:08,025 --> 01:47:10,785 you're the guy who comes from parts unknown, 2269 01:47:10,785 --> 01:47:12,358 you do what you're gonna do. 2270 01:47:12,358 --> 01:47:15,462 (distorted voices) 2271 01:47:15,462 --> 01:47:19,282 And then you disappear into the sunset. 2272 01:47:19,282 --> 01:47:20,115 Yeah. 2273 01:47:21,434 --> 01:47:22,861 - Good game, guys. 2274 01:47:22,861 --> 01:47:25,278 (rock music) 2275 01:47:29,969 --> 01:47:33,029 ♪ For what I am takes so long ♪ 2276 01:47:33,029 --> 01:47:36,177 ♪ For me to say yeah from a big fuckin' 80 ♪ 2277 01:47:36,177 --> 01:47:38,377 ♪ Stop it with my reasonable eye ♪ 2278 01:47:38,377 --> 01:47:42,533 ♪ I had my hand stuck into my seat ♪ 2279 01:47:42,533 --> 01:47:43,793 - [Director] Could you just clap for us? 2280 01:47:43,793 --> 01:47:45,003 (chuckles) 2281 01:47:45,003 --> 01:47:45,836 - I can. 2282 01:47:45,836 --> 01:47:46,809 (laughs) 2283 01:47:46,809 --> 01:47:49,957 - I, Steven Frank Albini, being of sound mind, 2284 01:47:49,957 --> 01:47:53,711 hereby allow, what's your thing called? 2285 01:47:53,711 --> 01:47:56,286 - [Director] Give me one second. 2286 01:47:56,286 --> 01:48:00,458 - Brainiac documentary to use my likeness for all eternity 2287 01:48:00,458 --> 01:48:05,417 for anything, forever in perpetuity, don't give a fuck. 2288 01:48:05,417 --> 01:48:08,149 - Juan keeps tellin', what did Juan say? 2289 01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:10,049 - Guy who had lived in there before had used it 2290 01:48:10,049 --> 01:48:11,948 as like kind of a sex dungeon. 2291 01:48:11,948 --> 01:48:13,560 - That's cool. - Marker's ink. 2292 01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:14,488 (claps) 2293 01:48:14,488 --> 01:48:17,931 - Over the top kinda rock and roll thing, like a-- 2294 01:48:17,931 --> 01:48:20,598 (buzzing sound) 2295 01:48:21,836 --> 01:48:22,669 - Yeah. 2296 01:48:25,338 --> 01:48:26,414 - Fuck you. 2297 01:48:26,414 --> 01:48:29,053 - The entirety of the 90s is kind of a fog. 2298 01:48:29,053 --> 01:48:31,346 - Think I went to a show with them, I don't remember 2299 01:48:31,346 --> 01:48:35,442 what we were watching but we went someplace together. 2300 01:48:35,442 --> 01:48:37,166 God, I wish I knew what it was. 2301 01:48:37,166 --> 01:48:38,502 - I might not have been there. 2302 01:48:38,502 --> 01:48:39,582 - [Director] I heard you were there. 2303 01:48:39,582 --> 01:48:40,946 - I was there, okay. - Yeah. 2304 01:48:40,946 --> 01:48:42,743 (laughter) 2305 01:48:42,743 --> 01:48:43,902 - I probably was there. 2306 01:48:43,902 --> 01:48:45,806 - Just fuckin' pop another pill, bro. 2307 01:48:45,806 --> 01:48:46,882 (laughter) 2308 01:48:46,882 --> 01:48:48,530 - [Director] Rolling. 2309 01:48:48,530 --> 01:48:49,587 - Just keep 'em rollin'. 2310 01:48:49,587 --> 01:48:50,790 - No regrets. 2311 01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:51,623 - No regrets. - No regrets. 2312 01:48:51,623 --> 01:48:52,456 (chuckles) 2313 01:48:52,456 --> 01:48:54,388 ♪ I've got ♪ 2314 01:48:54,388 --> 01:48:56,609 ♪ You for ♪ 2315 01:48:56,609 --> 01:49:01,609 ♪ The day ♪ 2316 01:49:01,867 --> 01:49:04,283 ♪ Don't you ♪ 2317 01:49:04,283 --> 01:49:06,322 ♪ Try to ♪ 2318 01:49:06,322 --> 01:49:11,322 ♪ Escape ♪ 2319 01:49:12,454 --> 01:49:16,694 ♪ Watch the telephone ♪ 2320 01:49:16,694 --> 01:49:21,515 ♪ With my handsome face ♪ 2321 01:49:21,515 --> 01:49:26,354 ♪ Slowly it sinks ♪ 2322 01:49:26,354 --> 01:49:31,354 ♪ Gives me time to think ♪ 2323 01:49:31,536 --> 01:49:33,453 ♪ Love ♪ 2324 01:49:42,255 --> 01:49:46,975 ♪ I told the fire ♪ 2325 01:49:46,975 --> 01:49:51,492 ♪ No response is wired ♪ 2326 01:49:51,492 --> 01:49:53,569 ♪ Don't try ♪ 2327 01:49:53,569 --> 01:49:56,415 ♪ To break ♪ 2328 01:49:56,415 --> 01:50:01,076 ♪ Loose gets in my way ♪ 2329 01:50:01,076 --> 01:50:03,887 ♪ Out of my way ♪ 2330 01:50:03,887 --> 01:50:06,052 ♪ I've got ♪ 2331 01:50:06,052 --> 01:50:07,865 ♪ You for ♪ 2332 01:50:07,865 --> 01:50:12,865 ♪ The day ♪ 2333 01:50:13,624 --> 01:50:15,800 ♪ Don't you ♪ 2334 01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:17,864 ♪ Try to ♪ 2335 01:50:17,864 --> 01:50:22,864 ♪ Escape ♪ 2336 01:50:23,882 --> 01:50:28,143 ♪ Hey don't you go ♪ 2337 01:50:28,143 --> 01:50:32,886 ♪ Never promise spoke ♪ 2338 01:50:32,886 --> 01:50:34,058 ♪ Was I ♪ 2339 01:50:34,058 --> 01:50:37,777 ♪ All that bad ♪ 2340 01:50:37,777 --> 01:50:42,777 ♪ Was I all that bad ♪ 2341 01:50:42,998 --> 01:50:44,915 ♪ Love ♪