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I say a word of prayer?
God, I thank you for this day.
I thank you for this opportunity

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god, I thank you for this day.
I thank you for this opportunity
to share who I am with the

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I thank you for this opportunity
to share who I am with the
world.

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To share who I am with the
world.
Father, I pray that they see you

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world.
Father, I pray that they see you
beyond me.

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Father, I pray that they see you
beyond me.
Father, I thank you for everyone

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beyond me.
Father, I thank you for everyone
that's here, every gift and

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father, I thank you for everyone
that's here, every gift and
talent.

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That's here, every gift and
talent.
I ask that you bless them

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talent.
I ask that you bless them
tremendously in jesus' name.

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I ask that you bless them
tremendously in jesus' name.
Be with us in this moment and

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tremendously in jesus' name.
Be with us in this moment and
let me feel your power and

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be with us in this moment and
let me feel your power and
presence.

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Let me feel your power and
presence.
Speak through me.

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Presence.
Speak through me.
In jesus' name, thank god.

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Speak through me.
In jesus' name, thank god.
Amen.

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In jesus' name, thank god.
Amen.
I thank god for quiet erica,

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amen.
I thank god for quiet erica,
'cause quiet erica taught this

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I thank god for quiet erica,
'cause quiet erica taught this
erica how to speak up, how to

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'cause quiet erica taught this
erica how to speak up, how to
say what I want at the right

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erica how to speak up, how to
say what I want at the right
time, right?

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Say what I want at the right
time, right?
'cause there's always a right

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time, right?
'cause there's always a right
time to say things.

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'cause there's always a right
time to say things.
And to say it without

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time to say things.
And to say it without
apologizing.

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And to say it without
apologizing.
'cause when you speak your truth

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apologizing.
'cause when you speak your truth
in love, you don't have to

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'cause when you speak your truth
in love, you don't have to
apologize when you finish.

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In love, you don't have to
apologize when you finish.
I'm not saying sorry a hundred

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apologize when you finish.
I'm not saying sorry a hundred
times, 'cause I'm not sorry.

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my childhood was great.
It was laughter and music and
family, not a lot of money, and

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it was laughter and music and
family, not a lot of money, and
I think because I grew up with

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family, not a lot of money, and
I think because I grew up with
not a lot of money, I realized

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I think because I grew up with
not a lot of money, I realized
that there were more important

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not a lot of money, I realized
that there were more important
things than that.

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That there were more important
things than that.
I remember singing around my

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things than that.
I remember singing around my
parents' bed all the time.

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I remember singing around my
parents' bed all the time.
I remember always having to be

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parents' bed all the time.
I remember always having to be
the one that sang.

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I remember always having to be
the one that sang.
So, we went to a christian

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the one that sang.
So, we went to a christian
school for a short while, and

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so, we went to a christian
school for a short while, and
when everyone else had to read

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school for a short while, and
when everyone else had to read
speeches, I had to sing.

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When everyone else had to read
speeches, I had to sing.
It just became a part of me, and

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speeches, I had to sing.
It just became a part of me, and
I loved how the audience

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it just became a part of me, and
I loved how the audience
responded, I loved the pride in

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I loved how the audience
responded, I loved the pride in
my parents' faces, and I just

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responded, I loved the pride in
my parents' faces, and I just
loved music.

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My parents' faces, and I just
loved music.
And I still do to this day.

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Loved music.
And I still do to this day.
My daddy,

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and I still do to this day.
My daddy,
eddie aaron atkins jr. -- What a

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my daddy,
eddie aaron atkins jr. -- What a
man.

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Eddie aaron atkins jr. -- What a
man.
What a big personality,

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man.
What a big personality,
sarcastic, educated, powerful,

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what a big personality,
sarcastic, educated, powerful,
very smart.

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Sarcastic, educated, powerful,
very smart.
But human.

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Very smart.
But human.
He's flawed, but I know that he

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but human.
He's flawed, but I know that he
loved the family.

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He's flawed, but I know that he
loved the family.
So even when times got

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loved the family.
So even when times got
difficult, I always loved my

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so even when times got
difficult, I always loved my
daddy.

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Difficult, I always loved my
daddy.
But, you know, no family is

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daddy.
But, you know, no family is
perfect, if I can be honest.

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But, you know, no family is
perfect, if I can be honest.
Unfortunately, my dad had

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perfect, if I can be honest.
Unfortunately, my dad had
favorites, and so he'd treat one

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unfortunately, my dad had
favorites, and so he'd treat one
great and one not so great.

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Favorites, and so he'd treat one
great and one not so great.
And that didn't make me feel

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great and one not so great.
And that didn't make me feel
good growing up.

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And that didn't make me feel
good growing up.
That wasn't, like, a badge of

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good growing up.
That wasn't, like, a badge of
honor.

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That wasn't, like, a badge of
honor.
It wasn't like, "ooh, daddy

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honor.
It wasn't like, "ooh, daddy
treats me like a favorite."

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it wasn't like, "ooh, daddy
treats me like a favorite."
I just -- I didn't like my

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treats me like a favorite."
I just -- I didn't like my
sisters being in pain.

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I just -- I didn't like my
sisters being in pain.
And I didn't know how to process

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sisters being in pain.
And I didn't know how to process
that as a kid.

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And I didn't know how to process
that as a kid.
I didn't really understand it

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that as a kid.
I didn't really understand it
until I got older.

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I didn't really understand it
until I got older.
The thing about my parents -- of

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until I got older.
The thing about my parents -- of
course, many people know that

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the thing about my parents -- of
course, many people know that
they married each other three

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course, many people know that
they married each other three
times.

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They married each other three
times.
They'd become really confusing

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times.
They'd become really confusing
for a kid, but somewhere around

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they'd become really confusing
for a kid, but somewhere around
my teenage years, I realized

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for a kid, but somewhere around
my teenage years, I realized
that he wasn't married to me.

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My teenage years, I realized
that he wasn't married to me.
He was my dad, and I just wanted

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that he wasn't married to me.
He was my dad, and I just wanted
him to be my dad.

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He was my dad, and I just wanted
him to be my dad.
I'mma let him and my mama figure

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him to be my dad.
I'mma let him and my mama figure
out what they need to figure

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I'mma let him and my mama figure
out what they need to figure
out.

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Out what they need to figure
out.
They never really did, but I

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out.
They never really did, but I
still had my dad in some ways.

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They never really did, but I
still had my dad in some ways.
Not all the time, because he'd

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still had my dad in some ways.
Not all the time, because he'd
be gone, you know, when times

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not all the time, because he'd
be gone, you know, when times
got tough, but I think the thing

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be gone, you know, when times
got tough, but I think the thing
that I learned most is how my

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got tough, but I think the thing
that I learned most is how my
mom responded to it.

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That I learned most is how my
mom responded to it.
My mom never came home bashing

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mom responded to it.
My mom never came home bashing
my dad.

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My mom never came home bashing
my dad.
My mom just never did any of

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my dad.
My mom just never did any of
that, and the times that he

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my mom just never did any of
that, and the times that he
would come back, we would just

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that, and the times that he
would come back, we would just
be a happy family again.

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Would come back, we would just
be a happy family again.
We were just happy that he was

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be a happy family again.
We were just happy that he was
back, because I knew the power

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we were just happy that he was
back, because I knew the power
of being an atkins girl.

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Back, because I knew the power
of being an atkins girl.
I knew what our family meant to

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of being an atkins girl.
I knew what our family meant to
our church, I knew how people

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I knew what our family meant to
our church, I knew how people
looked at our family, and even

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our church, I knew how people
looked at our family, and even
with the broken times, there was

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looked at our family, and even
with the broken times, there was
still a strength in our family

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with the broken times, there was
still a strength in our family
that I think still exists today.

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Still a strength in our family
that I think still exists today.
My mama, thomasina atkins, man,

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that I think still exists today.
My mama, thomasina atkins, man,
that's an amazing woman.

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My mama, thomasina atkins, man,
that's an amazing woman.
Man, she's strong.

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That's an amazing woman.
Man, she's strong.
The things that she had to go

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man, she's strong.
The things that she had to go
through, dealing with people

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the things that she had to go
through, dealing with people
saying crazy stuff about her

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through, dealing with people
saying crazy stuff about her
'cause she's married to this man

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saying crazy stuff about her
'cause she's married to this man
that she loves, but the marriage

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'cause she's married to this man
that she loves, but the marriage
isn't perfect, and now you have

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that she loves, but the marriage
isn't perfect, and now you have
all these kids, these talented

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isn't perfect, and now you have
all these kids, these talented
kids -- she didn't share a lot

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all these kids, these talented
kids -- she didn't share a lot
of her emotion growing up.

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Kids -- she didn't share a lot
of her emotion growing up.
She just kept going.

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Of her emotion growing up.
She just kept going.
I may have seen my mom cry a few

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she just kept going.
I may have seen my mom cry a few
times, even though I know she

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I may have seen my mom cry a few
times, even though I know she
went through.

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Times, even though I know she
went through.
I remember coming home from

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went through.
I remember coming home from
maybe the third or fourth grade

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I remember coming home from
maybe the third or fourth grade
and there was a big truck on the

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maybe the third or fourth grade
and there was a big truck on the
front yard, and all she said

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and there was a big truck on the
front yard, and all she said
was, "get your stuff, baby, we

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front yard, and all she said
was, "get your stuff, baby, we
got to go."

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was, "get your stuff, baby, we
got to go."
you know, when you're

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got to go."
you know, when you're
financially challenged, that's

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you know, when you're
financially challenged, that's
how it happens, so you just grab

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financially challenged, that's
how it happens, so you just grab
your stuff and go.

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How it happens, so you just grab
your stuff and go.
And my sisters were all young,

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your stuff and go.
And my sisters were all young,
so we're still playful and

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and my sisters were all young,
so we're still playful and
laughing, and every now and

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so we're still playful and
laughing, and every now and
again, I seen my parents' face

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laughing, and every now and
again, I seen my parents' face
and, like, get a glimpse of

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again, I seen my parents' face
and, like, get a glimpse of
their pain.

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And, like, get a glimpse of
their pain.
I can't imagine what it feels

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their pain.
I can't imagine what it feels
like to have all these kids, all

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I can't imagine what it feels
like to have all these kids, all
these girls, you're trying to

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like to have all these kids, all
these girls, you're trying to
raise them, you're trying to

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these girls, you're trying to
raise them, you're trying to
teach them to be ladies, you're

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raise them, you're trying to
teach them to be ladies, you're
trying to teach them to respect

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teach them to be ladies, you're
trying to teach them to respect
themselves and love god and all

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trying to teach them to respect
themselves and love god and all
this stuff, but you're trying to

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themselves and love god and all
this stuff, but you're trying to
figure out, "how I'mma feed all

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this stuff, but you're trying to
figure out, "how I'mma feed all
these girls?

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Figure out, "how I'mma feed all
these girls?
Where they gonna sleep?"

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these girls?
Where they gonna sleep?"
so, from there to now, she never

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where they gonna sleep?"
so, from there to now, she never
lost her faith, she never

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so, from there to now, she never
lost her faith, she never
stopped loving jesus.

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Lost her faith, she never
stopped loving jesus.
We never stopped going to

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stopped loving jesus.
We never stopped going to
church.

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We never stopped going to
church.
Even when I ask her now, "mama,

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church.
Even when I ask her now, "mama,
how did you do it?

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Even when I ask her now, "mama,
how did you do it?
How did you raise all of us?"

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how did you do it?
How did you raise all of us?"
she was like, "I depended on

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how did you raise all of us?"
she was like, "I depended on
god, and that's all I could do."

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she was like, "I depended on
god, and that's all I could do."
she was like, "I didn't know

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god, and that's all I could do."
she was like, "I didn't know
what to do.

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She was like, "I didn't know
what to do.
All y'all had different

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what to do.
All y'all had different
personalities, different gifts.

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All y'all had different
personalities, different gifts.
I didn't know what to do.

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Personalities, different gifts.
I didn't know what to do.
I had to pray."

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I didn't know what to do.
I had to pray."
so, you know, I grew up

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I had to pray."
so, you know, I grew up
church of god in christ,

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so, you know, I grew up
church of god in christ,
evangelistic church of god in

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church of god in christ,
evangelistic church of god in
christ, to be exact, so I grew

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evangelistic church of god in
christ, to be exact, so I grew
up with blessed oil on my

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christ, to be exact, so I grew
up with blessed oil on my
forehead.

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Up with blessed oil on my
forehead.
My mom prayed over us all the

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forehead.
My mom prayed over us all the
time, like my mom played bible

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my mom prayed over us all the
time, like my mom played bible
tapes in the car.

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Time, like my mom played bible
tapes in the car.
You know, it was just jesus

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tapes in the car.
You know, it was just jesus
24/7, so even if you wanted to

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you know, it was just jesus
24/7, so even if you wanted to
do something, you felt a little

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24/7, so even if you wanted to
do something, you felt a little
guilt 'cause you felt like jesus

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do something, you felt a little
guilt 'cause you felt like jesus
was gonna tell my mama, so I

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guilt 'cause you felt like jesus
was gonna tell my mama, so I
can't do too much.

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Was gonna tell my mama, so I
can't do too much.
So it kind of -- her prayers

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can't do too much.
So it kind of -- her prayers
kind of kept us and began to

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so it kind of -- her prayers
kind of kept us and began to
guide us, and because she was so

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kind of kept us and began to
guide us, and because she was so
beautiful and still so loved and

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guide us, and because she was so
beautiful and still so loved and
so kind, I was just enamored

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beautiful and still so loved and
so kind, I was just enamored
with her.

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So kind, I was just enamored
with her.
There was a time when I wanted

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with her.
There was a time when I wanted
her to speak up, I wanted her to

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there was a time when I wanted
her to speak up, I wanted her to
say more, but I realized that

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her to speak up, I wanted her to
say more, but I realized that
her -- her quiet demeanor was a

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say more, but I realized that
her -- her quiet demeanor was a
strength.

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Her -- her quiet demeanor was a
strength.
So, I remember when I realized

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strength.
So, I remember when I realized
we were poor.

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So, I remember when I realized
we were poor.
I probably should've known from

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we were poor.
I probably should've known from
moving over 15 times or buying

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I probably should've known from
moving over 15 times or buying
clothes at the secondhand store.

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Moving over 15 times or buying
clothes at the secondhand store.
But I remember, like, "dang, we

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clothes at the secondhand store.
But I remember, like, "dang, we
don't really got nothing."

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but I remember, like, "dang, we
don't really got nothing."
and tina said, "we're not poor.

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Don't really got nothing."
and tina said, "we're not poor.
We just don't have some things."

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and tina said, "we're not poor.
We just don't have some things."
and I think what you call

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we just don't have some things."
and I think what you call
yourself is very, very

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and I think what you call
yourself is very, very
important.

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Yourself is very, very
important.
Not that you are lying to

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important.
Not that you are lying to
yourself, but I think to look at

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not that you are lying to
yourself, but I think to look at
it and say, "we're not poor, we

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yourself, but I think to look at
it and say, "we're not poor, we
just don't have some things" --

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it and say, "we're not poor, we
just don't have some things" --
we had a place to live.

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Just don't have some things" --
we had a place to live.
It wasn't beautiful or fabulous,

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we had a place to live.
It wasn't beautiful or fabulous,
you know.

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It wasn't beautiful or fabulous,
you know.
We had each other.

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You know.
We had each other.
We had food.

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We had each other.
We had food.
I don't remember going days

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we had food.
I don't remember going days
without eating.

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I don't remember going days
without eating.
Might've ate beans and spaghetti

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without eating.
Might've ate beans and spaghetti
a little bit more than I wanted

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might've ate beans and spaghetti
a little bit more than I wanted
to, but I had something.

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A little bit more than I wanted
to, but I had something.
My siblings -- eight siblings.

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To, but I had something.
My siblings -- eight siblings.
Nine, but my brother andre went

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my siblings -- eight siblings.
Nine, but my brother andre went
to be with the lord when I was

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nine, but my brother andre went
to be with the lord when I was
like 5 years old.

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To be with the lord when I was
like 5 years old.
What was it like?

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Like 5 years old.
What was it like?
Loud but fun.

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What was it like?
Loud but fun.
My mom had a big heart and so

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loud but fun.
My mom had a big heart and so
did my dad, so every now and

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my mom had a big heart and so
did my dad, so every now and
then, you'd have some extra

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did my dad, so every now and
then, you'd have some extra
people living with you.

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Then, you'd have some extra
people living with you.
Even when we were in a

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people living with you.
Even when we were in a
two-bedroom apartment in

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even when we were in a
two-bedroom apartment in
inglewood, it would still be

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two-bedroom apartment in
inglewood, it would still be
extra people at the house.

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Inglewood, it would still be
extra people at the house.
And so my parents were just

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extra people at the house.
And so my parents were just
always extending that love.

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And so my parents were just
always extending that love.
Each of my siblings have

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always extending that love.
Each of my siblings have
different personalities, but

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each of my siblings have
different personalities, but
what was always there was god.

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Different personalities, but
what was always there was god.
I love my family.

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What was always there was god.
I love my family.
Being able to work with my

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I love my family.
Being able to work with my
family has been a blessing.

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Being able to work with my
family has been a blessing.
Not easy at all.

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Family has been a blessing.
Not easy at all.
There have been times where it's

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not easy at all.
There have been times where it's
like, "I love you, but I don't

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there have been times where it's
like, "I love you, but I don't
want to talk to you.

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Like, "I love you, but I don't
want to talk to you.
I love you, but I ain't coming

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want to talk to you.
I love you, but I ain't coming
over," you know.

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I love you, but I ain't coming
over," you know.
But it don't last too long, and

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over," you know.
But it don't last too long, and
usually, it's tina that'll call

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but it don't last too long, and
usually, it's tina that'll call
me and be like, "dang, you still

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usually, it's tina that'll call
me and be like, "dang, you still
mad?

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Me and be like, "dang, you still
mad?
Come on, ain't you coming over

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mad?
Come on, ain't you coming over
to the house?"

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come on, ain't you coming over
to the house?"
I'll be like, "ah, alright," you

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to the house?"
I'll be like, "ah, alright," you
know, and you just learn to let

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I'll be like, "ah, alright," you
know, and you just learn to let
it go, but that's because my

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know, and you just learn to let
it go, but that's because my
parents didn't let us do that

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it go, but that's because my
parents didn't let us do that
hate thing.

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Parents didn't let us do that
hate thing.
That didn't rock in my house.

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Hate thing.
That didn't rock in my house.
You had to hug it out, you know,

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that didn't rock in my house.
You had to hug it out, you know,
which caused me and my sisters

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you had to hug it out, you know,
which caused me and my sisters
to not like hugging each other

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which caused me and my sisters
to not like hugging each other
for a lot of years.

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To not like hugging each other
for a lot of years.
That was part of your

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for a lot of years.
That was part of your
punishment.

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That was part of your
punishment.
"say sorry, now hug your

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punishment.
"say sorry, now hug your
sister."

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"say sorry, now hug your
sister."
"I don't want to hug her."

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sister."
"I don't want to hug her."
but you learned to forgive.

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"I don't want to hug her."
but you learned to forgive.
We ended up laughing usually

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but you learned to forgive.
We ended up laughing usually
after the hug, so you learned to

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we ended up laughing usually
after the hug, so you learned to
let it go.

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After the hug, so you learned to
let it go.
I'm so grateful for that lesson.

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Let it go.
I'm so grateful for that lesson.
That lesson has served me well

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I'm so grateful for that lesson.
That lesson has served me well
in my life, learning to let

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that lesson has served me well
in my life, learning to let
things go, 'cause what am I

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in my life, learning to let
things go, 'cause what am I
holding onto it for?

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>> campbell: While I loved
singing growing up, I was forced
in the choir at about 11 years

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singing growing up, I was forced
in the choir at about 11 years
old, and so we lived next door

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in the choir at about 11 years
old, and so we lived next door
to the church.

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Old, and so we lived next door
to the church.
A bunch of my friends lived next

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to the church.
A bunch of my friends lived next
door to the church.

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A bunch of my friends lived next
door to the church.
And so on saturdays was choir

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door to the church.
And so on saturdays was choir
rehearsal, and we would all be

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and so on saturdays was choir
rehearsal, and we would all be
outside playing while our mamas

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rehearsal, and we would all be
outside playing while our mamas
and daddies were in choir

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outside playing while our mamas
and daddies were in choir
rehearsal.

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And daddies were in choir
rehearsal.
Well, one Saturday, my mama told

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rehearsal.
Well, one Saturday, my mama told
me, "you're gonna be in the

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well, one Saturday, my mama told
me, "you're gonna be in the
choir."

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me, "you're gonna be in the
choir."
I was like, "but my friends

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choir."
I was like, "but my friends
sonya and lynette are outside.

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I was like, "but my friends
sonya and lynette are outside.
I want to play," you know?

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Sonya and lynette are outside.
I want to play," you know?
And so I had to be in the choir,

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I want to play," you know?
And so I had to be in the choir,
and I was sitting next to

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and so I had to be in the choir,
and I was sitting next to
another one of my best friends,

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and I was sitting next to
another one of my best friends,
her mom, in the choir, and she

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another one of my best friends,
her mom, in the choir, and she
said, "this is gonna pay off one

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her mom, in the choir, and she
said, "this is gonna pay off one
day, baby."

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said, "this is gonna pay off one
day, baby."
she said, "I know you don't want

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day, baby."
she said, "I know you don't want
to be in here."

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she said, "I know you don't want
to be in here."
she said, "you got something

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to be in here."
she said, "you got something
special.

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She said, "you got something
special.
Just keep singing.

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Special.
Just keep singing.
Listen to your mama.

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Just keep singing.
Listen to your mama.
It'll be alright."

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listen to your mama.
It'll be alright."
and while I missed playing

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it'll be alright."
and while I missed playing
outside with my friends, I

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and while I missed playing
outside with my friends, I
appreciate having to be in

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outside with my friends, I
appreciate having to be in
rehearsal.

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Appreciate having to be in
rehearsal.
I appreciate having to sing my

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rehearsal.
I appreciate having to sing my
first solo, which was a song

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I appreciate having to sing my
first solo, which was a song
called, "I'm in love with the

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first solo, which was a song
called, "I'm in love with the
savior," that my mom wrote for

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called, "I'm in love with the
savior," that my mom wrote for
me, and I sang it all the time.

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>> campbell: After high school
and after I started singing
again around 17, my choir was

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and after I started singing
again around 17, my choir was
big time.

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Again around 17, my choir was
big time.
We won the

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big time.
We won the
mcdonald's gospel fest in 1990.

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We won the
mcdonald's gospel fest in 1990.
We recorded an album.

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Mcdonald's gospel fest in 1990.
We recorded an album.
You couldn't tell me nothin'.

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We recorded an album.
You couldn't tell me nothin'.
I was a professional.

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You couldn't tell me nothin'.
I was a professional.
I'd gone to college and I was

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I was a professional.
I'd gone to college and I was
studying voice and hair, 'cause,

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I'd gone to college and I was
studying voice and hair, 'cause,
you know, you got to pay for the

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studying voice and hair, 'cause,
you know, you got to pay for the
dream.

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You know, you got to pay for the
dream.
You got to, you know, support

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dream.
You got to, you know, support
the dream, and I got the

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you got to, you know, support
the dream, and I got the
opportunity to sing in a stage

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the dream, and I got the
opportunity to sing in a stage
play.

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Opportunity to sing in a stage
play.
My friend isaac carree was in

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play.
My friend isaac carree was in
the play, and when the director

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my friend isaac carree was in
the play, and when the director
was there, when they were at the

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the play, and when the director
was there, when they were at the
wilshire ebell theatre in

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was there, when they were at the
wilshire ebell theatre in
inglewood, he asked me if I

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wilshire ebell theatre in
inglewood, he asked me if I
wanted to go, and I was like,

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inglewood, he asked me if I
wanted to go, and I was like,
"yeah," so he was like, "sing

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wanted to go, and I was like,
"yeah," so he was like, "sing
right here," so I just sang

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"yeah," so he was like, "sing
right here," so I just sang
right there in the middle of the

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right here," so I just sang
right there in the middle of the
wilshire ebell theatre at the

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right there in the middle of the
wilshire ebell theatre at the
end of their show, and he asked

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wilshire ebell theatre at the
end of their show, and he asked
me if I wanted to go.

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End of their show, and he asked
me if I wanted to go.
And 'cause I was still a little

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me if I wanted to go.
And 'cause I was still a little
scary, tina was in the back, I

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and 'cause I was still a little
scary, tina was in the back, I
was like, "my sister sing, too.

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Scary, tina was in the back, I
was like, "my sister sing, too.
You want to take her, too?"

356
00:10:17,517 --> 00:10:19,684
was like, "my sister sing, too.
You want to take her, too?"
so, me and tina hit the road,

357
00:10:19,686 --> 00:10:21,553
you want to take her, too?"
so, me and tina hit the road,
and it was wonderful and

358
00:10:21,555 --> 00:10:23,088
so, me and tina hit the road,
and it was wonderful and
terrifying at the same time,

359
00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:24,456
and it was wonderful and
terrifying at the same time,
'cause I'm used to my church

360
00:10:24,458 --> 00:10:25,890
terrifying at the same time,
'cause I'm used to my church
family, I'm used to my church

361
00:10:25,892 --> 00:10:27,726
'cause I'm used to my church
family, I'm used to my church
world, I'm used to these people.

362
00:10:27,728 --> 00:10:29,194
Family, I'm used to my church
world, I'm used to these people.
I know I sing around l.A.

363
00:10:29,196 --> 00:10:30,695
World, I'm used to these people.
I know I sing around l.A.
You know, that's my thing, but

364
00:10:30,697 --> 00:10:32,197
I know I sing around l.A.
You know, that's my thing, but
singing on the road with people

365
00:10:32,199 --> 00:10:33,365
you know, that's my thing, but
singing on the road with people
I know is a little bit

366
00:10:33,367 --> 00:10:33,999
singing on the road with people
I know is a little bit
different.

367
00:10:34,001 --> 00:10:36,901
I know is a little bit
different.
And I remember a girl who was at

368
00:10:36,903 --> 00:10:38,136
different.
And I remember a girl who was at
my church who would also sing

369
00:10:38,138 --> 00:10:39,004
and I remember a girl who was at
my church who would also sing
for mike matthews.

370
00:10:39,006 --> 00:10:40,138
My church who would also sing
for mike matthews.
She said, "let me tell you

371
00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:41,506
for mike matthews.
She said, "let me tell you
something.

372
00:10:41,508 --> 00:10:43,375
She said, "let me tell you
something.
There's road life and there's

373
00:10:43,377 --> 00:10:44,576
something.
There's road life and there's
church life.

374
00:10:44,578 --> 00:10:46,745
There's road life and there's
church life.
That's two different lives.

375
00:10:46,747 --> 00:10:48,680
Church life.
That's two different lives.
Don't forget who you are."

376
00:10:48,682 --> 00:10:51,182
that's two different lives.
Don't forget who you are."
she said, "and don't have a road

377
00:10:51,184 --> 00:10:51,916
don't forget who you are."
she said, "and don't have a road
marriage."

378
00:10:51,918 --> 00:10:53,485
she said, "and don't have a road
marriage."
what is a road marriage, you

379
00:10:53,487 --> 00:10:53,918
marriage."
what is a road marriage, you
say?

380
00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,720
What is a road marriage, you
say?
It is the person that you hang

381
00:10:55,722 --> 00:10:57,555
say?
It is the person that you hang
with and deal with while you on

382
00:10:57,557 --> 00:10:58,289
it is the person that you hang
with and deal with while you on
the road.

383
00:10:58,291 --> 00:10:59,357
With and deal with while you on
the road.
Now, you may be talking to

384
00:10:59,359 --> 00:11:00,592
the road.
Now, you may be talking to
somebody else, you may be dating

385
00:11:00,594 --> 00:11:01,226
now, you may be talking to
somebody else, you may be dating
somebody else.

386
00:11:01,228 --> 00:11:02,293
Somebody else, you may be dating
somebody else.
And so when you grow up in

387
00:11:02,295 --> 00:11:03,561
somebody else.
And so when you grow up in
church, you know, even though I

388
00:11:03,563 --> 00:11:04,696
and so when you grow up in
church, you know, even though I
love the church, you feel a

389
00:11:04,698 --> 00:11:05,497
church, you know, even though I
love the church, you feel a
little smothered.

390
00:11:05,499 --> 00:11:06,798
Love the church, you feel a
little smothered.
You feel like you're missing out

391
00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,432
little smothered.
You feel like you're missing out
on something.

392
00:11:07,434 --> 00:11:08,600
You feel like you're missing out
on something.
You feel like you want to do

393
00:11:08,602 --> 00:11:09,901
on something.
You feel like you want to do
other things, so I had my times

394
00:11:09,903 --> 00:11:11,069
you feel like you want to do
other things, so I had my times
like, "I can't wait till I'm

395
00:11:11,071 --> 00:11:11,436
other things, so I had my times
like, "I can't wait till I'm
grown.

396
00:11:11,438 --> 00:11:12,671
Like, "I can't wait till I'm
grown.
I ain't never going to church

397
00:11:12,673 --> 00:11:13,038
grown.
I ain't never going to church
again.

398
00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,372
I ain't never going to church
again.
I ain't" -- you know, I'm trying

399
00:11:14,374 --> 00:11:15,640
again.
I ain't" -- you know, I'm trying
to be grown, and I'm talking to

400
00:11:15,642 --> 00:11:17,142
I ain't" -- you know, I'm trying
to be grown, and I'm talking to
this dude on the road, and, you

401
00:11:17,144 --> 00:11:18,643
to be grown, and I'm talking to
this dude on the road, and, you
know, clearly he's got way more

402
00:11:18,645 --> 00:11:20,779
this dude on the road, and, you
know, clearly he's got way more
experience in all this stuff

403
00:11:20,781 --> 00:11:23,114
know, clearly he's got way more
experience in all this stuff
than I do.

404
00:11:23,116 --> 00:11:24,449
Experience in all this stuff
than I do.
So, you know, you make some

405
00:11:24,451 --> 00:11:25,984
than I do.
So, you know, you make some
wrong choices, you know, and if

406
00:11:25,986 --> 00:11:27,452
so, you know, you make some
wrong choices, you know, and if
you're a church girl, you feel

407
00:11:27,454 --> 00:11:28,420
wrong choices, you know, and if
you're a church girl, you feel
guilty immediately.

408
00:11:28,422 --> 00:11:29,788
You're a church girl, you feel
guilty immediately.
"oh, lord, forgive me, jesus!

409
00:11:29,790 --> 00:11:31,056
Guilty immediately.
"oh, lord, forgive me, jesus!
I shouldn't have slept with

410
00:11:31,058 --> 00:11:32,557
"oh, lord, forgive me, jesus!
I shouldn't have slept with
him," you know, all that kind of

411
00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:33,992
I shouldn't have slept with
him," you know, all that kind of
stuff.

412
00:11:33,994 --> 00:11:36,294
Him," you know, all that kind of
stuff.
So, the season is over, right,

413
00:11:36,296 --> 00:11:38,530
stuff.
So, the season is over, right,
and we start rehearsing for a

414
00:11:38,532 --> 00:11:39,698
so, the season is over, right,
and we start rehearsing for a
new show.

415
00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:42,801
And we start rehearsing for a
new show.
And so he comes to l.A.

416
00:11:42,803 --> 00:11:44,102
New show.
And so he comes to l.A.
He's like, "oh, hey, you know,

417
00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:45,336
and so he comes to l.A.
He's like, "oh, hey, you know,
help me rent a car," and I'm

418
00:11:45,338 --> 00:11:46,705
he's like, "oh, hey, you know,
help me rent a car," and I'm
like, "oh, okay, cool," which is

419
00:11:46,707 --> 00:11:47,072
help me rent a car," and I'm
like, "oh, okay, cool," which is
dumb.

420
00:11:47,074 --> 00:11:48,273
Like, "oh, okay, cool," which is
dumb.
"alright, well, maybe we can

421
00:11:48,275 --> 00:11:49,107
dumb.
"alright, well, maybe we can
split this hotel."

422
00:11:49,109 --> 00:11:49,774
"alright, well, maybe we can
split this hotel."
"okay, cool."

423
00:11:49,776 --> 00:11:51,109
split this hotel."
"okay, cool."
now, I'm not staying with him or

424
00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:52,343
"okay, cool."
now, I'm not staying with him or
nothing, but, you know, I was

425
00:11:52,345 --> 00:11:53,111
now, I'm not staying with him or
nothing, but, you know, I was
like, "alright."

426
00:11:53,113 --> 00:11:54,512
nothing, but, you know, I was
like, "alright."
so, he comes, my mom cooks for

427
00:11:54,514 --> 00:11:55,980
like, "alright."
so, he comes, my mom cooks for
him and everything.

428
00:11:55,982 --> 00:11:57,515
So, he comes, my mom cooks for
him and everything.
We get to rehearsal.

429
00:11:57,517 --> 00:11:59,084
Him and everything.
We get to rehearsal.
He comes to rehearsal

430
00:11:59,086 --> 00:12:01,953
we get to rehearsal.
He comes to rehearsal
hand-in-hand with another girl,

431
00:12:01,955 --> 00:12:04,022
he comes to rehearsal
hand-in-hand with another girl,
who he introduces as his

432
00:12:04,024 --> 00:12:05,924
hand-in-hand with another girl,
who he introduces as his
fiancée.

433
00:12:05,926 --> 00:12:08,526
Who he introduces as his
fiancée.
Oooh-whoo!

434
00:12:08,528 --> 00:12:11,663
Fiancée.
Oooh-whoo!
So, I, uh -- I'm a g, you know?

435
00:12:11,665 --> 00:12:12,931
Oooh-whoo!
So, I, uh -- I'm a g, you know?
I mean, I'm not one of them

436
00:12:12,933 --> 00:12:14,399
so, I, uh -- I'm a g, you know?
I mean, I'm not one of them
girls that go crazy, so I walked

437
00:12:14,401 --> 00:12:15,767
I mean, I'm not one of them
girls that go crazy, so I walked
straight up to her and said,

438
00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:16,668
girls that go crazy, so I walked
straight up to her and said,
"hi, how are you?

439
00:12:16,670 --> 00:12:17,602
Straight up to her and said,
"hi, how are you?
Nice to meet you?"

440
00:12:17,604 --> 00:12:19,104
"hi, how are you?
Nice to meet you?"
he's sweatin' bullets 'cause he

441
00:12:19,106 --> 00:12:20,538
nice to meet you?"
he's sweatin' bullets 'cause he
don't know what I'm gonna say.

442
00:12:20,540 --> 00:12:21,773
He's sweatin' bullets 'cause he
don't know what I'm gonna say.
I didn't -- you know, I didn't

443
00:12:21,775 --> 00:12:23,041
don't know what I'm gonna say.
I didn't -- you know, I didn't
trip, I didn't blow up his spot

444
00:12:23,043 --> 00:12:23,942
I didn't -- you know, I didn't
trip, I didn't blow up his spot
or nothing like that.

445
00:12:23,944 --> 00:12:25,043
Trip, I didn't blow up his spot
or nothing like that.
I said, "nice to meet you," and

446
00:12:25,045 --> 00:12:26,144
or nothing like that.
I said, "nice to meet you," and
I was like, "alright, see you in

447
00:12:26,146 --> 00:12:26,711
I said, "nice to meet you," and
I was like, "alright, see you in
rehearsal."

448
00:12:26,713 --> 00:12:27,946
I was like, "alright, see you in
rehearsal."
so, of course, later he calls

449
00:12:27,948 --> 00:12:29,280
rehearsal."
so, of course, later he calls
and, "I didn't mean to introduce

450
00:12:29,282 --> 00:12:30,415
so, of course, later he calls
and, "I didn't mean to introduce
her like that, blah, blah,

451
00:12:30,417 --> 00:12:30,815
and, "I didn't mean to introduce
her like that, blah, blah,
blah."

452
00:12:30,817 --> 00:12:33,218
her like that, blah, blah,
blah."
I was like, "don't do none of

453
00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:33,551
blah."
I was like, "don't do none of
that.

454
00:12:33,553 --> 00:12:34,085
I was like, "don't do none of
that.
You got me."

455
00:12:34,087 --> 00:12:35,120
that.
You got me."
he was like, "why you acting

456
00:12:35,122 --> 00:12:35,720
you got me."
he was like, "why you acting
like a dude?"

457
00:12:35,722 --> 00:12:36,888
he was like, "why you acting
like a dude?"
I was like, "is what you want to

458
00:12:36,890 --> 00:12:38,356
like a dude?"
I was like, "is what you want to
do cry?

459
00:12:38,358 --> 00:12:39,357
I was like, "is what you want to
do cry?
We're either together or we're

460
00:12:39,359 --> 00:12:39,624
do cry?
We're either together or we're
not.

461
00:12:39,626 --> 00:12:40,291
We're either together or we're
not.
Clearly, we're not.

462
00:12:40,293 --> 00:12:41,760
Not.
Clearly, we're not.
Okay, I got the message.

463
00:12:41,762 --> 00:12:43,027
Clearly, we're not.
Okay, I got the message.
You show me how to play the

464
00:12:43,029 --> 00:12:44,395
okay, I got the message.
You show me how to play the
game, I'll play by the rules."

465
00:12:44,397 --> 00:12:47,031
you show me how to play the
game, I'll play by the rules."
so, that was our -- that was the

466
00:12:47,033 --> 00:12:47,899
game, I'll play by the rules."
so, that was our -- that was the
end right there.

467
00:12:47,901 --> 00:12:48,500
So, that was our -- that was the
end right there.
[ laughs ]

468
00:12:48,502 --> 00:12:49,868
end right there.
[ laughs ]
and I remember him calling me

469
00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:51,169
[ laughs ]
and I remember him calling me
later like, "oh, I was thinking

470
00:12:51,171 --> 00:12:51,736
and I remember him calling me
later like, "oh, I was thinking
about you."

471
00:12:51,738 --> 00:12:52,871
later like, "oh, I was thinking
about you."
I was like, "you were not.

472
00:12:52,873 --> 00:12:53,872
About you."
I was like, "you were not.
You just feel guilty and you

473
00:12:53,874 --> 00:12:54,906
I was like, "you were not.
You just feel guilty and you
knew you had to see me on the

474
00:12:54,908 --> 00:12:55,907
you just feel guilty and you
knew you had to see me on the
road, so you wanted to call

475
00:12:55,909 --> 00:12:56,975
knew you had to see me on the
road, so you wanted to call
before to make sure things are

476
00:12:56,977 --> 00:12:57,275
road, so you wanted to call
before to make sure things are
okay.

477
00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:58,610
Before to make sure things are
okay.
Listen, I ain't mad at you.

478
00:12:58,612 --> 00:12:59,277
Okay.
Listen, I ain't mad at you.
You got me.

479
00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:01,746
Listen, I ain't mad at you.
You got me.
You just will never, ever get me

480
00:13:01,748 --> 00:13:06,050
you got me.
You just will never, ever get me
again."

481
00:13:06,052 --> 00:13:07,418
you just will never, ever get me
again."
I'm grateful for that experience

482
00:13:07,420 --> 00:13:08,386
again."
I'm grateful for that experience
because being in that

483
00:13:08,388 --> 00:13:09,587
I'm grateful for that experience
because being in that
environment was super, super

484
00:13:09,589 --> 00:13:11,022
because being in that
environment was super, super
competitive, so they would tell

485
00:13:11,024 --> 00:13:12,357
environment was super, super
competitive, so they would tell
you on a regular basis if you

486
00:13:12,359 --> 00:13:13,625
competitive, so they would tell
you on a regular basis if you
did not sing good, you were

487
00:13:13,627 --> 00:13:14,259
you on a regular basis if you
did not sing good, you were
going home.

488
00:13:14,261 --> 00:13:15,627
Did not sing good, you were
going home.
And so they would playfully be

489
00:13:15,629 --> 00:13:17,128
going home.
And so they would playfully be
like, "southwest, they sending

490
00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:17,796
and so they would playfully be
like, "southwest, they sending
her home."

491
00:13:17,798 --> 00:13:20,832
like, "southwest, they sending
her home."
my first time up in sneaky, I

492
00:13:20,834 --> 00:13:24,335
her home."
my first time up in sneaky, I
was a understudy, I was a

493
00:13:24,337 --> 00:13:26,171
my first time up in sneaky, I
was a understudy, I was a
background singer, I sold

494
00:13:26,173 --> 00:13:28,139
was a understudy, I was a
background singer, I sold
programs, and me and tina did

495
00:13:28,141 --> 00:13:29,240
background singer, I sold
programs, and me and tina did
the wardrobe.

496
00:13:29,242 --> 00:13:30,809
Programs, and me and tina did
the wardrobe.
So, we had to get to the city.

497
00:13:30,811 --> 00:13:32,177
The wardrobe.
So, we had to get to the city.
We would have to make sure

498
00:13:32,179 --> 00:13:33,611
so, we had to get to the city.
We would have to make sure
everybody's clothes were in

499
00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:34,913
we would have to make sure
everybody's clothes were in
their dressing room, make sure

500
00:13:34,915 --> 00:13:36,181
everybody's clothes were in
their dressing room, make sure
everything was clean, then we

501
00:13:36,183 --> 00:13:37,482
their dressing room, make sure
everything was clean, then we
could get dressed, and then we

502
00:13:37,484 --> 00:13:38,917
everything was clean, then we
could get dressed, and then we
had to go out front and sell

503
00:13:38,919 --> 00:13:40,485
could get dressed, and then we
had to go out front and sell
programs, but then we had to be

504
00:13:40,487 --> 00:13:42,187
had to go out front and sell
programs, but then we had to be
back at the start of the show to

505
00:13:42,189 --> 00:13:43,621
programs, but then we had to be
back at the start of the show to
make sure that we sang the

506
00:13:43,623 --> 00:13:44,856
back at the start of the show to
make sure that we sang the
opening song.

507
00:13:44,858 --> 00:13:47,258
Make sure that we sang the
opening song.
It was crazy hard work, and my

508
00:13:47,260 --> 00:13:48,393
opening song.
It was crazy hard work, and my
first time going up as an

509
00:13:48,395 --> 00:13:51,996
it was crazy hard work, and my
first time going up as an
understudy, oh, it was terrible!

510
00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:53,398
First time going up as an
understudy, oh, it was terrible!
Here's how I know it's terrible,

511
00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,666
understudy, oh, it was terrible!
Here's how I know it's terrible,
'cause if you sing good, the

512
00:13:54,668 --> 00:13:56,067
here's how I know it's terrible,
'cause if you sing good, the
wings are full when you singing.

513
00:13:56,069 --> 00:13:57,502
'cause if you sing good, the
wings are full when you singing.
When you killing it on stage and

514
00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:58,937
wings are full when you singing.
When you killing it on stage and
you doing great, you look to the

515
00:13:58,939 --> 00:14:00,305
when you killing it on stage and
you doing great, you look to the
side and you see everybody, and

516
00:14:00,307 --> 00:14:01,439
you doing great, you look to the
side and you see everybody, and
they're cheering you on.

517
00:14:01,441 --> 00:14:03,374
Side and you see everybody, and
they're cheering you on.
Well, I looked to the side, I

518
00:14:03,376 --> 00:14:05,844
they're cheering you on.
Well, I looked to the side, I
ain't see nobody in the wings.

519
00:14:05,846 --> 00:14:07,478
Well, I looked to the side, I
ain't see nobody in the wings.
I was like, "oh, god, tina, I'm

520
00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,947
ain't see nobody in the wings.
I was like, "oh, god, tina, I'm
going home, I'm going home."

521
00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:11,149
I was like, "oh, god, tina, I'm
going home, I'm going home."
and so I just patiently waited

522
00:14:11,151 --> 00:14:12,517
going home, I'm going home."
and so I just patiently waited
for, you know, that notice.

523
00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:13,384
And so I just patiently waited
for, you know, that notice.
I never got it.

524
00:14:13,386 --> 00:14:14,919
For, you know, that notice.
I never got it.
Luckily, we never got sent home

525
00:14:14,921 --> 00:14:16,487
I never got it.
Luckily, we never got sent home
that way, but, ooh, that play

526
00:14:16,489 --> 00:14:18,990
luckily, we never got sent home
that way, but, ooh, that play
life, if you not ready for it --

527
00:14:18,992 --> 00:14:20,725
that way, but, ooh, that play
life, if you not ready for it --
road life period, if you're not

528
00:14:20,727 --> 00:14:22,393
life, if you not ready for it --
road life period, if you're not
ready for it, it will swallow

529
00:14:22,395 --> 00:14:23,428
road life period, if you're not
ready for it, it will swallow
you whole.

530
00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:28,099
Ready for it, it will swallow
you whole.
It will swallow you up.

531
00:14:28,101 --> 00:14:31,569
You whole.
It will swallow you up.
Meeting warryn campbell, the

532
00:14:31,571 --> 00:14:33,004
it will swallow you up.
Meeting warryn campbell, the
play was in l.A. At the

533
00:14:33,006 --> 00:14:34,038
meeting warryn campbell, the
play was in l.A. At the
wilshire ebell.

534
00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,907
Play was in l.A. At the
wilshire ebell.
He had come with his dad.

535
00:14:35,909 --> 00:14:37,308
Wilshire ebell.
He had come with his dad.
As he tells it, he came, like,

536
00:14:37,310 --> 00:14:38,776
he had come with his dad.
As he tells it, he came, like,
two nights before with an

537
00:14:38,778 --> 00:14:40,411
as he tells it, he came, like,
two nights before with an
ex-girlfriend, and he said he

538
00:14:40,413 --> 00:14:42,180
two nights before with an
ex-girlfriend, and he said he
saw me come out on stage and he

539
00:14:42,182 --> 00:14:43,681
ex-girlfriend, and he said he
saw me come out on stage and he
said he was blown away.

540
00:14:43,683 --> 00:14:45,950
Saw me come out on stage and he
said he was blown away.
So, he came back with his dad on

541
00:14:45,952 --> 00:14:47,018
said he was blown away.
So, he came back with his dad on
that Friday.

542
00:14:47,020 --> 00:14:48,920
So, he came back with his dad on
that Friday.
And so he was friends with

543
00:14:48,922 --> 00:14:50,788
that Friday.
And so he was friends with
eric dawkins, and so eric

544
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:53,057
and so he was friends with
eric dawkins, and so eric
introduced us at the end of the

545
00:14:53,059 --> 00:14:53,491
eric dawkins, and so eric
introduced us at the end of the
show.

546
00:14:53,493 --> 00:14:55,059
Introduced us at the end of the
show.
And I remember he had this kind

547
00:14:55,061 --> 00:14:57,962
show.
And I remember he had this kind
of overcoat on, and we were

548
00:14:57,964 --> 00:14:59,430
and I remember he had this kind
of overcoat on, and we were
standing in front of the

549
00:14:59,432 --> 00:15:00,832
of overcoat on, and we were
standing in front of the
theater, and we met and

550
00:15:00,834 --> 00:15:03,601
standing in front of the
theater, and we met and
exchanged numbers, and he

551
00:15:03,603 --> 00:15:05,103
theater, and we met and
exchanged numbers, and he
invited me over to his house, so

552
00:15:05,105 --> 00:15:06,537
exchanged numbers, and he
invited me over to his house, so
I brought tina with me 'cause,

553
00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:07,705
invited me over to his house, so
I brought tina with me 'cause,
you know, in true church

554
00:15:07,707 --> 00:15:09,207
I brought tina with me 'cause,
you know, in true church
fashion, you don't go over to no

555
00:15:09,209 --> 00:15:10,375
you know, in true church
fashion, you don't go over to no
boy's house by yourself.

556
00:15:10,377 --> 00:15:12,310
Fashion, you don't go over to no
boy's house by yourself.
And so we go over there, and I'm

557
00:15:12,312 --> 00:15:14,279
boy's house by yourself.
And so we go over there, and I'm
watching him make music, and I'm

558
00:15:14,281 --> 00:15:17,348
and so we go over there, and I'm
watching him make music, and I'm
like, "oh, he's really, really

559
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:17,982
watching him make music, and I'm
like, "oh, he's really, really
cute.

560
00:15:17,984 --> 00:15:19,884
Like, "oh, he's really, really
cute.
He's really, really fine."

561
00:15:19,886 --> 00:15:21,319
cute.
He's really, really fine."
I watched him do his thing, and

562
00:15:21,321 --> 00:15:22,620
he's really, really fine."
I watched him do his thing, and
I never really told him how

563
00:15:22,622 --> 00:15:23,888
I watched him do his thing, and
I never really told him how
serious I was about being a

564
00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:25,189
I never really told him how
serious I was about being a
recording artist, because I

565
00:15:25,191 --> 00:15:26,591
serious I was about being a
recording artist, because I
never wanted him to think that

566
00:15:26,593 --> 00:15:28,026
recording artist, because I
never wanted him to think that
that's why I was interested.

567
00:15:28,028 --> 00:15:29,594
Never wanted him to think that
that's why I was interested.
I didn't even know that he had,

568
00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:31,029
that's why I was interested.
I didn't even know that he had,
you know, been producing and

569
00:15:31,031 --> 00:15:32,764
I didn't even know that he had,
you know, been producing and
working with death row and snoop

570
00:15:32,766 --> 00:15:34,532
you know, been producing and
working with death row and snoop
and, you know, tupac and all

571
00:15:34,534 --> 00:15:35,300
working with death row and snoop
and, you know, tupac and all
that stuff.

572
00:15:35,302 --> 00:15:36,935
And, you know, tupac and all
that stuff.
I just knew that he was a cute

573
00:15:36,937 --> 00:15:38,536
that stuff.
I just knew that he was a cute
chocolate musician, and so we

574
00:15:38,538 --> 00:15:41,439
I just knew that he was a cute
chocolate musician, and so we
talked like every, every single

575
00:15:41,441 --> 00:15:43,408
chocolate musician, and so we
talked like every, every single
day, and just got closer and

576
00:15:43,410 --> 00:15:43,908
talked like every, every single
day, and just got closer and
closer.

577
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:45,176
Day, and just got closer and
closer.
And, you know, it's funny

578
00:15:45,178 --> 00:15:46,644
closer.
And, you know, it's funny
because when you're raised to

579
00:15:46,646 --> 00:15:48,146
and, you know, it's funny
because when you're raised to
believe that secular music is a

580
00:15:48,148 --> 00:15:49,547
because when you're raised to
believe that secular music is a
sin and you can't play it or

581
00:15:49,549 --> 00:15:51,049
believe that secular music is a
sin and you can't play it or
listen to it or nothing, I was

582
00:15:51,051 --> 00:15:52,450
sin and you can't play it or
listen to it or nothing, I was
like, "dang, I know he don't

583
00:15:52,452 --> 00:15:53,918
listen to it or nothing, I was
like, "dang, I know he don't
play gospel, but there's

584
00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,520
like, "dang, I know he don't
play gospel, but there's
something kind of beautiful

585
00:15:55,522 --> 00:15:56,988
play gospel, but there's
something kind of beautiful
about this guy."

586
00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:59,724
something kind of beautiful
about this guy."
eventually, it blossomed into

587
00:15:59,726 --> 00:16:01,926
about this guy."
eventually, it blossomed into
20 years of marriage and three

588
00:16:01,928 --> 00:16:04,796
eventually, it blossomed into
20 years of marriage and three
kids and church and, you know,

589
00:16:04,798 --> 00:16:06,531
20 years of marriage and three
kids and church and, you know,
success in the music business,

590
00:16:06,533 --> 00:16:08,900
kids and church and, you know,
success in the music business,
and I love us together, I love

591
00:16:08,902 --> 00:16:10,134
success in the music business,
and I love us together, I love
him as an individual.

592
00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:11,769
And I love us together, I love
him as an individual.
I love that he allows me to be

593
00:16:11,771 --> 00:16:12,136
him as an individual.
I love that he allows me to be
me.

594
00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:13,671
I love that he allows me to be
me.
The journey of love was a

595
00:16:13,673 --> 00:16:15,273
me.
The journey of love was a
troublesome one, you know.

596
00:16:15,275 --> 00:16:16,674
The journey of love was a
troublesome one, you know.
He's three years younger than

597
00:16:16,676 --> 00:16:18,242
troublesome one, you know.
He's three years younger than
me, and so, you know, I had been

598
00:16:18,244 --> 00:16:19,477
he's three years younger than
me, and so, you know, I had been
in serious relationships.

599
00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:20,979
Me, and so, you know, I had been
in serious relationships.
He had not, so we kind of viewed

600
00:16:20,981 --> 00:16:22,280
in serious relationships.
He had not, so we kind of viewed
things differently, so that

601
00:16:22,282 --> 00:16:24,716
he had not, so we kind of viewed
things differently, so that
allows a lot of mountains and

602
00:16:24,718 --> 00:16:26,351
things differently, so that
allows a lot of mountains and
hills and valleys, but that's

603
00:16:26,353 --> 00:16:28,920
allows a lot of mountains and
hills and valleys, but that's
what love is, and you don't get

604
00:16:28,922 --> 00:16:30,688
hills and valleys, but that's
what love is, and you don't get
to 20 years without hills and

605
00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:32,056
what love is, and you don't get
to 20 years without hills and
valleys, and so...

606
00:16:32,058 --> 00:16:37,662
To 20 years without hills and
valleys, and so...
So yeah, I love that guy.

607
00:16:37,664 --> 00:16:39,197
Valleys, and so...
So yeah, I love that guy.
So, how did I start singing

608
00:16:39,199 --> 00:16:40,164
so yeah, I love that guy.
So, how did I start singing
background?

609
00:16:40,166 --> 00:16:42,367
So, how did I start singing
background?
Well, I met warryn in '96 while

610
00:16:42,369 --> 00:16:43,935
background?
Well, I met warryn in '96 while
singing for the play.

611
00:16:43,937 --> 00:16:45,737
Well, I met warryn in '96 while
singing for the play.
He came to the play with his

612
00:16:45,739 --> 00:16:47,405
singing for the play.
He came to the play with his
dad, and we met, exchanged

613
00:16:47,407 --> 00:16:49,640
he came to the play with his
dad, and we met, exchanged
numbers, and started hanging

614
00:16:49,642 --> 00:16:52,443
dad, and we met, exchanged
numbers, and started hanging
out, period, and he was working

615
00:16:52,445 --> 00:16:53,311
numbers, and started hanging
out, period, and he was working
for brandy.

616
00:16:53,313 --> 00:16:55,346
Out, period, and he was working
for brandy.
He was playing for brandy, and I

617
00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:56,714
for brandy.
He was playing for brandy, and I
think she had lost a singer, and

618
00:16:56,716 --> 00:16:58,082
he was playing for brandy, and I
think she had lost a singer, and
so he was like, "my girl sings."

619
00:16:58,084 --> 00:17:01,119
think she had lost a singer, and
so he was like, "my girl sings."
and so she had a date in alaska

620
00:17:01,121 --> 00:17:02,353
so he was like, "my girl sings."
and so she had a date in alaska
and in hawaii.

621
00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:05,023
And so she had a date in alaska
and in hawaii.
So I was able to go and sing

622
00:17:05,025 --> 00:17:06,124
and in hawaii.
So I was able to go and sing
background for her, and she was

623
00:17:06,126 --> 00:17:06,524
so I was able to go and sing
background for her, and she was
like 16.

624
00:17:06,526 --> 00:17:07,458
Background for her, and she was
like 16.
It was like first, second

625
00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:10,228
like 16.
It was like first, second
record, so it was early brandy.

626
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:11,729
It was like first, second
record, so it was early brandy.
But it was really -- it was

627
00:17:11,731 --> 00:17:13,498
record, so it was early brandy.
But it was really -- it was
like, "wow," but let me tell you

628
00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:15,066
but it was really -- it was
like, "wow," but let me tell you
how my church friends acted.

629
00:17:15,068 --> 00:17:17,068
Like, "wow," but let me tell you
how my church friends acted.
[ laughs ]

630
00:17:17,070 --> 00:17:18,536
how my church friends acted.
[ laughs ]
so, when you're raised in

631
00:17:18,538 --> 00:17:20,271
[ laughs ]
so, when you're raised in
church, you know, secular music

632
00:17:20,273 --> 00:17:20,938
so, when you're raised in
church, you know, secular music
is a sin.

633
00:17:20,940 --> 00:17:21,839
Church, you know, secular music
is a sin.
You can't listen to it, you

634
00:17:21,841 --> 00:17:22,774
is a sin.
You can't listen to it, you
can't sing it, none of that.

635
00:17:22,776 --> 00:17:23,441
You can't listen to it, you
can't sing it, none of that.
Only at weddings.

636
00:17:23,443 --> 00:17:24,375
Can't sing it, none of that.
Only at weddings.
It's allowed at weddings.

637
00:17:24,377 --> 00:17:26,577
Only at weddings.
It's allowed at weddings.
So weird.

638
00:17:26,579 --> 00:17:28,079
It's allowed at weddings.
So weird.
So, when I told my friends that

639
00:17:28,081 --> 00:17:29,547
so weird.
So, when I told my friends that
I was singing with brandy, they

640
00:17:29,549 --> 00:17:31,082
so, when I told my friends that
I was singing with brandy, they
was like, "you're singing r&b?!"

641
00:17:31,084 --> 00:17:32,717
I was singing with brandy, they
was like, "you're singing r&b?!"
I was like, "yo, it's brandy.

642
00:17:32,719 --> 00:17:33,718
Was like, "you're singing r&b?!"
I was like, "yo, it's brandy.
Like, it's fine.

643
00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:34,585
I was like, "yo, it's brandy.
Like, it's fine.
I want to be down."

644
00:17:34,587 --> 00:17:35,787
like, it's fine.
I want to be down."
they was like, "oh, god, you

645
00:17:35,789 --> 00:17:36,654
I want to be down."
they was like, "oh, god, you
goin' on the road.

646
00:17:36,656 --> 00:17:37,989
They was like, "oh, god, you
goin' on the road.
Somebody gonna try to spike your

647
00:17:37,991 --> 00:17:39,357
goin' on the road.
Somebody gonna try to spike your
drink and somebody gonna take

648
00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:40,291
somebody gonna try to spike your
drink and somebody gonna take
advantage of you."

649
00:17:40,293 --> 00:17:41,726
drink and somebody gonna take
advantage of you."
I was like, "yo, I'm not going

650
00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:42,727
advantage of you."
I was like, "yo, I'm not going
to die on the road."

651
00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:44,162
I was like, "yo, I'm not going
to die on the road."
but it was a great experience.

652
00:17:44,164 --> 00:17:45,663
To die on the road."
but it was a great experience.
I ended up singing for her, and

653
00:17:45,665 --> 00:17:47,131
but it was a great experience.
I ended up singing for her, and
then for ray j, and since I was

654
00:17:47,133 --> 00:17:48,433
I ended up singing for her, and
then for ray j, and since I was
singing background and tina

655
00:17:48,435 --> 00:17:49,901
then for ray j, and since I was
singing background and tina
started doing background stuff,

656
00:17:49,903 --> 00:17:51,102
singing background and tina
started doing background stuff,
and then we both sang for

657
00:17:51,104 --> 00:17:52,470
started doing background stuff,
and then we both sang for
eric benét and traveled, so I

658
00:17:52,472 --> 00:17:53,638
and then we both sang for
eric benét and traveled, so I
had really, really great

659
00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:54,338
eric benét and traveled, so I
had really, really great
experiences.

660
00:17:54,340 --> 00:17:55,506
Had really, really great
experiences.
I learned a different side of

661
00:17:55,508 --> 00:17:56,641
experiences.
I learned a different side of
the business, 'cause when you

662
00:17:56,643 --> 00:17:57,842
I learned a different side of
the business, 'cause when you
just see church, you just know

663
00:17:57,844 --> 00:17:59,944
the business, 'cause when you
just see church, you just know
church, and I now know that the

664
00:17:59,946 --> 00:18:03,281
just see church, you just know
church, and I now know that the
reason god allowed that to be a

665
00:18:03,283 --> 00:18:04,782
church, and I now know that the
reason god allowed that to be a
part of my path so I can learn

666
00:18:04,784 --> 00:18:06,350
reason god allowed that to be a
part of my path so I can learn
the other side of the business,

667
00:18:06,352 --> 00:18:07,952
part of my path so I can learn
the other side of the business,
because my brand of gospel would

668
00:18:07,954 --> 00:18:09,454
the other side of the business,
because my brand of gospel would
not just be for church people,

669
00:18:09,456 --> 00:18:11,155
because my brand of gospel would
not just be for church people,
which was so cool to have that

670
00:18:11,157 --> 00:18:12,824
not just be for church people,
which was so cool to have that
opportunity to sing to people

671
00:18:12,826 --> 00:18:14,225
which was so cool to have that
opportunity to sing to people
who were not necessarily

672
00:18:14,227 --> 00:18:15,960
opportunity to sing to people
who were not necessarily
"churched," right?

673
00:18:15,962 --> 00:18:17,595
Who were not necessarily
"churched," right?
My uncle, who was my pastor at

674
00:18:17,597 --> 00:18:19,964
"churched," right?
My uncle, who was my pastor at
the time, he -- I asked him.

675
00:18:19,966 --> 00:18:21,099
My uncle, who was my pastor at
the time, he -- I asked him.
I went to him, I was like, "how

676
00:18:21,101 --> 00:18:21,899
the time, he -- I asked him.
I went to him, I was like, "how
you feel about this?"

677
00:18:21,901 --> 00:18:23,034
I went to him, I was like, "how
you feel about this?"
he said, "you know what, I feel

678
00:18:23,036 --> 00:18:24,001
you feel about this?"
he said, "you know what, I feel
like you're supposed to do

679
00:18:24,003 --> 00:18:24,335
he said, "you know what, I feel
like you're supposed to do
this."

680
00:18:24,337 --> 00:18:25,436
like you're supposed to do
this."
he said, "when you're finished,

681
00:18:25,438 --> 00:18:26,504
this."
he said, "when you're finished,
just come back to church, just

682
00:18:26,506 --> 00:18:27,572
he said, "when you're finished,
just come back to church, just
get back in the choir," and so

683
00:18:27,574 --> 00:18:28,272
just come back to church, just
get back in the choir," and so
that's what I did.

684
00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:30,174
Get back in the choir," and so
that's what I did.
I came back and got back in the

685
00:18:30,176 --> 00:18:30,708
that's what I did.
I came back and got back in the
choir.

686
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:32,443
I came back and got back in the
choir.
Not many of the church members

687
00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:34,612
choir.
Not many of the church members
were happy about me getting back

688
00:18:34,614 --> 00:18:35,880
not many of the church members
were happy about me getting back
in the choir.

689
00:18:35,882 --> 00:18:37,682
Were happy about me getting back
in the choir.
They had lots to say.

690
00:18:37,684 --> 00:18:39,750
In the choir.
They had lots to say.
They rolled they eyes and all

691
00:18:39,752 --> 00:18:41,119
they had lots to say.
They rolled they eyes and all
that kind of stuff, but, you

692
00:18:41,121 --> 00:18:42,453
they rolled they eyes and all
that kind of stuff, but, you
know, my uncle told me I was

693
00:18:42,455 --> 00:18:43,488
that kind of stuff, but, you
know, my uncle told me I was
cool, so I was cool.

694
00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:45,056
Know, my uncle told me I was
cool, so I was cool.
I got right back in the choir

695
00:18:45,058 --> 00:18:46,624
cool, so I was cool.
I got right back in the choir
until it was time for my next

696
00:18:46,626 --> 00:18:51,162
I got right back in the choir
until it was time for my next
adventure in singing.

697
00:18:51,164 --> 00:18:52,897
Until it was time for my next
adventure in singing.
So, me and tina didn't grow up

698
00:18:52,899 --> 00:18:53,898
adventure in singing.
So, me and tina didn't grow up
singing together.

699
00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:54,899
So, me and tina didn't grow up
singing together.
We weren't a duo.

700
00:18:54,901 --> 00:18:56,467
Singing together.
We weren't a duo.
At that time at home, we were

701
00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:57,168
we weren't a duo.
At that time at home, we were
making up songs.

702
00:18:57,170 --> 00:18:58,269
At that time at home, we were
making up songs.
We didn't even know enough to

703
00:18:58,271 --> 00:18:59,337
making up songs.
We didn't even know enough to
call ourselves songwriters.

704
00:18:59,339 --> 00:19:01,272
We didn't even know enough to
call ourselves songwriters.
We would make up songs, and we

705
00:19:01,274 --> 00:19:03,774
call ourselves songwriters.
We would make up songs, and we
had a demo of actually

706
00:19:03,776 --> 00:19:04,976
we would make up songs, and we
had a demo of actually
"what a friend," which made it

707
00:19:04,978 --> 00:19:06,077
had a demo of actually
"what a friend," which made it
to the first record, the

708
00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:07,478
"what a friend," which made it
to the first record, the
"thankful" record, and we played

709
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,846
to the first record, the
"thankful" record, and we played
it for warryn, and he liked it

710
00:19:08,848 --> 00:19:10,181
"thankful" record, and we played
it for warryn, and he liked it
and he was like, "y'all should

711
00:19:10,183 --> 00:19:10,815
it for warryn, and he liked it
and he was like, "y'all should
be a group."

712
00:19:10,817 --> 00:19:12,550
and he was like, "y'all should
be a group."
and we were like, "hmm, okay,"

713
00:19:12,552 --> 00:19:13,084
be a group."
and we were like, "hmm, okay,"
right?

714
00:19:13,086 --> 00:19:14,919
And we were like, "hmm, okay,"
right?
And so we start recording songs,

715
00:19:14,921 --> 00:19:16,154
right?
And so we start recording songs,
and we start writing.

716
00:19:16,156 --> 00:19:17,822
And so we start recording songs,
and we start writing.
We get a publishing deal first

717
00:19:17,824 --> 00:19:23,561
and we start writing.
We get a publishing deal first
at sony, and our first song was

718
00:19:23,563 --> 00:19:25,663
we get a publishing deal first
at sony, and our first song was
on a music soundtrack, and I

719
00:19:25,665 --> 00:19:27,131
at sony, and our first song was
on a music soundtrack, and I
believe it was

720
00:19:27,133 --> 00:19:28,533
on a music soundtrack, and I
believe it was
"dance, dance, dance."

721
00:19:28,535 --> 00:19:30,935
believe it was
"dance, dance, dance."
we also did a song on

722
00:19:30,937 --> 00:19:33,471
"dance, dance, dance."
we also did a song on
"stuart little," and then we did

723
00:19:33,473 --> 00:19:36,007
we also did a song on
"stuart little," and then we did
a song called "let go, let god"

724
00:19:36,009 --> 00:19:36,874
"stuart little," and then we did
a song called "let go, let god"
for the "prince of egypt"

725
00:19:36,876 --> 00:19:38,743
a song called "let go, let god"
for the "prince of egypt"
soundtrack.

726
00:19:38,745 --> 00:19:42,346
For the "prince of egypt"
soundtrack.
And we wrote, originally,

727
00:19:42,348 --> 00:19:43,447
soundtrack.
And we wrote, originally,
"shackles" for the

728
00:19:43,449 --> 00:19:45,116
and we wrote, originally,
"shackles" for the
"prince of egypt" soundtrack,

729
00:19:45,118 --> 00:19:48,152
"shackles" for the
"prince of egypt" soundtrack,
but when we wrote the song, we

730
00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:50,821
"prince of egypt" soundtrack,
but when we wrote the song, we
knew it was special immediately.

731
00:19:50,823 --> 00:19:53,224
But when we wrote the song, we
knew it was special immediately.
And so warryn started playing it

732
00:19:53,226 --> 00:19:54,892
knew it was special immediately.
And so warryn started playing it
for people, and people was like,

733
00:19:54,894 --> 00:19:55,927
and so warryn started playing it
for people, and people was like,
"yo, who is this?"

734
00:19:55,929 --> 00:19:58,262
for people, and people was like,
"yo, who is this?"
and we decided to give another

735
00:19:58,264 --> 00:20:00,298
"yo, who is this?"
and we decided to give another
song to the "prince of egypt"

736
00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:01,098
and we decided to give another
song to the "prince of egypt"
soundtrack.

737
00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:02,934
Song to the "prince of egypt"
soundtrack.
They got "let go, let god," and

738
00:20:02,936 --> 00:20:05,736
soundtrack.
They got "let go, let god," and
we held onto "shackles," and

739
00:20:05,738 --> 00:20:07,138
they got "let go, let god," and
we held onto "shackles," and
when he first started allowing

740
00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:09,540
we held onto "shackles," and
when he first started allowing
people to hear the song, it was

741
00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:11,275
when he first started allowing
people to hear the song, it was
a bit of a little baby "bidding

742
00:20:11,277 --> 00:20:13,544
people to hear the song, it was
a bit of a little baby "bidding
war" on mary mary at that time.

743
00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:15,813
A bit of a little baby "bidding
war" on mary mary at that time.
So we put our little coins

744
00:20:15,815 --> 00:20:19,417
war" on mary mary at that time.
So we put our little coins
together, we flew to new york,

745
00:20:19,419 --> 00:20:20,818
so we put our little coins
together, we flew to new york,
and you know new york is

746
00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:22,320
together, we flew to new york,
and you know new york is
expensive, so all we could

747
00:20:22,322 --> 00:20:24,488
and you know new york is
expensive, so all we could
afford was one hotel room, so we

748
00:20:24,490 --> 00:20:26,257
expensive, so all we could
afford was one hotel room, so we
was all in the hotel room

749
00:20:26,259 --> 00:20:28,192
afford was one hotel room, so we
was all in the hotel room
praying, and we went to meet

750
00:20:28,194 --> 00:20:30,027
was all in the hotel room
praying, and we went to meet
with bad boy, and it was just an

751
00:20:30,029 --> 00:20:31,796
praying, and we went to meet
with bad boy, and it was just an
interesting vibe, but it wasn't

752
00:20:31,798 --> 00:20:32,730
with bad boy, and it was just an
interesting vibe, but it wasn't
a perfect fit.

753
00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:34,899
Interesting vibe, but it wasn't
a perfect fit.
And then we went to columbia,

754
00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:37,168
a perfect fit.
And then we went to columbia,
and that was the right fit, and

755
00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:39,637
and then we went to columbia,
and that was the right fit, and
I remember us talking to

756
00:20:39,639 --> 00:20:41,305
and that was the right fit, and
I remember us talking to
donnie ienner at the time.

757
00:20:41,307 --> 00:20:42,139
I remember us talking to
donnie ienner at the time.
Jesus.

758
00:20:42,141 --> 00:20:44,842
Donnie ienner at the time.
Jesus.
So, they throw out a number and

759
00:20:44,844 --> 00:20:46,143
jesus.
So, they throw out a number and
tina says, "if that's what we

760
00:20:46,145 --> 00:20:47,378
so, they throw out a number and
tina says, "if that's what we
getting, what you getting?"

761
00:20:47,380 --> 00:20:49,380
tina says, "if that's what we
getting, what you getting?"
and I was like, "oh, god, oh,

762
00:20:49,382 --> 00:20:50,781
getting, what you getting?"
and I was like, "oh, god, oh,
god, they're not gonna sign us,

763
00:20:50,783 --> 00:20:52,016
and I was like, "oh, god, oh,
god, they're not gonna sign us,
they're not gonna sign us."

764
00:20:52,018 --> 00:20:53,317
god, they're not gonna sign us,
they're not gonna sign us."
he chuckled and he said, "oh,

765
00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:53,784
they're not gonna sign us."
he chuckled and he said, "oh,
you guys are smart."

766
00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:01,826
♪
>> campbell: Well, lord, the
gospel community.

767
00:21:01,828 --> 00:21:02,927
>> campbell: Well, lord, the
gospel community.
If I could just be honest, they

768
00:21:02,929 --> 00:21:04,428
gospel community.
If I could just be honest, they
didn't like us at first.

769
00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:06,297
If I could just be honest, they
didn't like us at first.
They just didn't.

770
00:21:06,299 --> 00:21:07,665
Didn't like us at first.
They just didn't.
The way we came in the industry

771
00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:09,033
they just didn't.
The way we came in the industry
was different, our budgets were

772
00:21:09,035 --> 00:21:10,468
the way we came in the industry
was different, our budgets were
different, what we asked for was

773
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:11,035
was different, our budgets were
different, what we asked for was
different.

774
00:21:11,037 --> 00:21:13,104
Different, what we asked for was
different.
I remember we got invited to

775
00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:14,839
different.
I remember we got invited to
this city, and we were asking

776
00:21:14,841 --> 00:21:16,641
I remember we got invited to
this city, and we were asking
for flights and we were asking

777
00:21:16,643 --> 00:21:17,908
this city, and we were asking
for flights and we were asking
for car service, and the

778
00:21:17,910 --> 00:21:19,176
for flights and we were asking
for car service, and the
promoters are like, "car

779
00:21:19,178 --> 00:21:19,744
for car service, and the
promoters are like, "car
service?

780
00:21:19,746 --> 00:21:21,078
Promoters are like, "car
service?
I'm just gonna pick you up

781
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:21,646
service?
I'm just gonna pick you up
myself."

782
00:21:21,648 --> 00:21:22,913
I'm just gonna pick you up
myself."
and he mentioned some other

783
00:21:22,915 --> 00:21:23,681
myself."
and he mentioned some other
gospel artists.

784
00:21:23,683 --> 00:21:25,016
And he mentioned some other
gospel artists.
"well, I picked them up in my

785
00:21:25,018 --> 00:21:25,416
gospel artists.
"well, I picked them up in my
car."

786
00:21:25,418 --> 00:21:26,784
"well, I picked them up in my
car."
I was like, "that's great, but

787
00:21:26,786 --> 00:21:28,853
car."
I was like, "that's great, but
we require car service," which

788
00:21:28,855 --> 00:21:30,655
I was like, "that's great, but
we require car service," which
is not even a big stretch.

789
00:21:30,657 --> 00:21:31,989
We require car service," which
is not even a big stretch.
But messages and things like

790
00:21:31,991 --> 00:21:33,190
is not even a big stretch.
But messages and things like
that will get out and get

791
00:21:33,192 --> 00:21:35,059
but messages and things like
that will get out and get
around, and, you know, they

792
00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:37,962
that will get out and get
around, and, you know, they
would just [laughs] act funny.

793
00:21:37,964 --> 00:21:39,030
Around, and, you know, they
would just [laughs] act funny.
I remember being at the

794
00:21:39,032 --> 00:21:41,732
would just [laughs] act funny.
I remember being at the
stellar awards, and "shackles"

795
00:21:41,734 --> 00:21:44,201
I remember being at the
stellar awards, and "shackles"
had come out, but we didn't

796
00:21:44,203 --> 00:21:46,937
stellar awards, and "shackles"
had come out, but we didn't
really get nominated for

797
00:21:46,939 --> 00:21:49,307
had come out, but we didn't
really get nominated for
anything, even though we had had

798
00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:50,775
really get nominated for
anything, even though we had had
so much crossover success.

799
00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:52,443
Anything, even though we had had
so much crossover success.
So, gospel radio didn't play us

800
00:21:52,445 --> 00:21:52,977
so much crossover success.
So, gospel radio didn't play us
first.

801
00:21:52,979 --> 00:21:54,278
So, gospel radio didn't play us
first.
Mainstream radio did.

802
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,113
First.
Mainstream radio did.
Urban radio played us first, and

803
00:21:56,115 --> 00:21:57,848
mainstream radio did.
Urban radio played us first, and
after urban radio played us,

804
00:21:57,850 --> 00:21:59,717
urban radio played us first, and
after urban radio played us,
then gospel came in and started

805
00:21:59,719 --> 00:22:00,251
after urban radio played us,
then gospel came in and started
playing it.

806
00:22:00,253 --> 00:22:01,519
Then gospel came in and started
playing it.
But they weren't on board, and I

807
00:22:01,521 --> 00:22:02,486
playing it.
But they weren't on board, and I
know that's how it goes

808
00:22:02,488 --> 00:22:03,754
but they weren't on board, and I
know that's how it goes
sometimes when you come out with

809
00:22:03,756 --> 00:22:04,955
know that's how it goes
sometimes when you come out with
something that's different, you

810
00:22:04,957 --> 00:22:06,123
sometimes when you come out with
something that's different, you
know, that doesn't sound like

811
00:22:06,125 --> 00:22:07,258
something that's different, you
know, that doesn't sound like
the norm, doesn't sound like

812
00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:07,958
know, that doesn't sound like
the norm, doesn't sound like
everybody else.

813
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:08,926
The norm, doesn't sound like
everybody else.
You're gonna face some

814
00:22:08,928 --> 00:22:09,460
everybody else.
You're gonna face some
adversity.

815
00:22:09,462 --> 00:22:10,728
You're gonna face some
adversity.
You're gonna face people going,

816
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:11,395
adversity.
You're gonna face people going,
"what is this?

817
00:22:11,397 --> 00:22:12,596
You're gonna face people going,
"what is this?
What are they talking about?"

818
00:22:12,598 --> 00:22:14,365
"what is this?
What are they talking about?"
so, you know, we just kept

819
00:22:14,367 --> 00:22:16,233
what are they talking about?"
so, you know, we just kept
going, and the first time we

820
00:22:16,235 --> 00:22:18,336
so, you know, we just kept
going, and the first time we
went to the stellars, we went --

821
00:22:18,338 --> 00:22:20,338
going, and the first time we
went to the stellars, we went --
it was a showcase and we were

822
00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:21,639
went to the stellars, we went --
it was a showcase and we were
singing "shackles."

823
00:22:21,641 --> 00:22:23,407
it was a showcase and we were
singing "shackles."
and so we walk in and we're

824
00:22:23,409 --> 00:22:24,375
singing "shackles."
and so we walk in and we're
getting ready to sing, we're on

825
00:22:24,377 --> 00:22:25,343
and so we walk in and we're
getting ready to sing, we're on
the side of the stage and we're

826
00:22:25,345 --> 00:22:25,910
getting ready to sing, we're on
the side of the stage and we're
terrified.

827
00:22:25,912 --> 00:22:26,777
The side of the stage and we're
terrified.
And bobby jones and

828
00:22:26,779 --> 00:22:28,746
terrified.
And bobby jones and
vickie winans are up there.

829
00:22:28,748 --> 00:22:30,881
And bobby jones and
vickie winans are up there.
And bobby jones introduced us.

830
00:22:30,883 --> 00:22:33,484
Vickie winans are up there.
And bobby jones introduced us.
So when we first go up, nobody's

831
00:22:33,486 --> 00:22:34,352
and bobby jones introduced us.
So when we first go up, nobody's
paying attention.

832
00:22:34,354 --> 00:22:35,119
So when we first go up, nobody's
paying attention.
I mean, nobody.

833
00:22:35,121 --> 00:22:36,554
Paying attention.
I mean, nobody.
It's a banquet, so you know what

834
00:22:36,556 --> 00:22:37,988
I mean, nobody.
It's a banquet, so you know what
it is like singing at a banquet.

835
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:38,989
It's a banquet, so you know what
it is like singing at a banquet.
You hear, "click, click, click,

836
00:22:38,991 --> 00:22:39,523
it is like singing at a banquet.
You hear, "click, click, click,
click, click."

837
00:22:39,525 --> 00:22:40,591
you hear, "click, click, click,
click, click."
everybody's drinking and talking

838
00:22:40,593 --> 00:22:41,025
click, click."
everybody's drinking and talking
and moving.

839
00:22:41,027 --> 00:22:42,226
Everybody's drinking and talking
and moving.
So we just start our song, you

840
00:22:42,228 --> 00:22:42,560
and moving.
So we just start our song, you
know.

841
00:22:42,562 --> 00:22:43,594
So we just start our song, you
know.
By the time we get to the

842
00:22:43,596 --> 00:22:45,830
know.
By the time we get to the
bridge, everybody's on their

843
00:22:45,832 --> 00:22:46,931
by the time we get to the
bridge, everybody's on their
feet.

844
00:22:46,933 --> 00:22:48,733
Bridge, everybody's on their
feet.
And I see vickie winans go, "who

845
00:22:48,735 --> 00:22:50,501
feet.
And I see vickie winans go, "who
are these girls?"

846
00:22:50,503 --> 00:22:52,503
and I see vickie winans go, "who
are these girls?"
and it was such a good feeling

847
00:22:52,505 --> 00:22:54,438
are these girls?"
and it was such a good feeling
because when you sing for people

848
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,940
and it was such a good feeling
because when you sing for people
that you loved, when you sing

849
00:22:55,942 --> 00:22:57,508
because when you sing for people
that you loved, when you sing
for people that you listen to,

850
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:59,076
that you loved, when you sing
for people that you listen to,
that you want validation, that

851
00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:01,011
for people that you listen to,
that you want validation, that
you need validation from, you

852
00:23:01,013 --> 00:23:02,680
that you want validation, that
you need validation from, you
want them to like it.

853
00:23:02,682 --> 00:23:04,048
You need validation from, you
want them to like it.
And so, you know, even though

854
00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:05,449
want them to like it.
And so, you know, even though
the beginning, they didn't --

855
00:23:05,451 --> 00:23:06,817
and so, you know, even though
the beginning, they didn't --
you know, they wasn't feeling

856
00:23:06,819 --> 00:23:08,152
the beginning, they didn't --
you know, they wasn't feeling
us, you know, you eventually

857
00:23:08,154 --> 00:23:09,653
you know, they wasn't feeling
us, you know, you eventually
start seeing faces do this like,

858
00:23:09,655 --> 00:23:10,821
us, you know, you eventually
start seeing faces do this like,
"oh, wait a minute, they

859
00:23:10,823 --> 00:23:12,123
start seeing faces do this like,
"oh, wait a minute, they
singing-singing," you know?

860
00:23:12,125 --> 00:23:13,290
"oh, wait a minute, they
singing-singing," you know?
And you see people start

861
00:23:13,292 --> 00:23:14,759
singing-singing," you know?
And you see people start
standing up and you seeing them

862
00:23:14,761 --> 00:23:16,260
and you see people start
standing up and you seeing them
clap, and so by the time we were

863
00:23:16,262 --> 00:23:17,661
standing up and you seeing them
clap, and so by the time we were
finished, of course, everybody

864
00:23:17,663 --> 00:23:18,829
clap, and so by the time we were
finished, of course, everybody
was on their feet, and, you

865
00:23:18,831 --> 00:23:20,131
finished, of course, everybody
was on their feet, and, you
know, everybody that was there

866
00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:21,465
was on their feet, and, you
know, everybody that was there
that was press and media wanted

867
00:23:21,467 --> 00:23:22,666
know, everybody that was there
that was press and media wanted
to interview us, and we were

868
00:23:22,668 --> 00:23:27,838
that was press and media wanted
to interview us, and we were
like, "oh, my god!"

869
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,041
to interview us, and we were
like, "oh, my god!"
working with my sister tina --

870
00:23:31,043 --> 00:23:33,344
like, "oh, my god!"
working with my sister tina --
amazing, fun, crazy.

871
00:23:33,346 --> 00:23:34,912
Working with my sister tina --
amazing, fun, crazy.
Got on my nerves.

872
00:23:34,914 --> 00:23:35,946
Amazing, fun, crazy.
Got on my nerves.
Love her.

873
00:23:35,948 --> 00:23:37,581
Got on my nerves.
Love her.
You know, arguments before we go

874
00:23:37,583 --> 00:23:39,250
love her.
You know, arguments before we go
out on stage, and by the time we

875
00:23:39,252 --> 00:23:40,084
you know, arguments before we go
out on stage, and by the time we
get to singing

876
00:23:40,086 --> 00:23:41,485
out on stage, and by the time we
get to singing
"can't give up now," we're

877
00:23:41,487 --> 00:23:42,553
get to singing
"can't give up now," we're
hugging and crying.

878
00:23:42,555 --> 00:23:43,220
"can't give up now," we're
hugging and crying.
[ laughs ]

879
00:23:43,222 --> 00:23:46,323
hugging and crying.
[ laughs ]
so, so many things.

880
00:23:46,325 --> 00:23:47,958
[ laughs ]
so, so many things.
The beauty of our personalities,

881
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,160
so, so many things.
The beauty of our personalities,
I think, is what makes

882
00:23:49,162 --> 00:23:50,594
the beauty of our personalities,
I think, is what makes
mary mary unique, that she's

883
00:23:50,596 --> 00:23:52,229
I think, is what makes
mary mary unique, that she's
much more feisty than I am, that

884
00:23:52,231 --> 00:23:53,631
mary mary unique, that she's
much more feisty than I am, that
she's aggressive, that she

885
00:23:53,633 --> 00:23:55,232
much more feisty than I am, that
she's aggressive, that she
pushes a little bit more, which

886
00:23:55,234 --> 00:23:56,867
she's aggressive, that she
pushes a little bit more, which
taught me to push, which taught

887
00:23:56,869 --> 00:23:59,537
pushes a little bit more, which
taught me to push, which taught
me to be a little bit more open,

888
00:23:59,539 --> 00:24:01,338
taught me to push, which taught
me to be a little bit more open,
and I think the fact I am a

889
00:24:01,340 --> 00:24:03,174
me to be a little bit more open,
and I think the fact I am a
little calmer has, you know,

890
00:24:03,176 --> 00:24:04,742
and I think the fact I am a
little calmer has, you know,
rubbed off on her some.

891
00:24:04,744 --> 00:24:06,510
Little calmer has, you know,
rubbed off on her some.
And so you learn to be the yin

892
00:24:06,512 --> 00:24:08,078
rubbed off on her some.
And so you learn to be the yin
and the yang, you learn to

893
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,850
and so you learn to be the yin
and the yang, you learn to
support each other.

894
00:24:12,852 --> 00:24:14,685
And the yang, you learn to
support each other.
The song "shackles," of course,

895
00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:16,520
support each other.
The song "shackles," of course,
as many of you know, went on to

896
00:24:16,522 --> 00:24:20,357
the song "shackles," of course,
as many of you know, went on to
be top five in the world, which

897
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,093
as many of you know, went on to
be top five in the world, which
was crazy -- crazy, crazy.

898
00:24:23,095 --> 00:24:25,796
Be top five in the world, which
was crazy -- crazy, crazy.
Like, we were in london doing

899
00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:27,364
was crazy -- crazy, crazy.
Like, we were in london doing
concerts with u2.

900
00:24:27,366 --> 00:24:28,599
Like, we were in london doing
concerts with u2.
We did something called the

901
00:24:28,601 --> 00:24:29,934
concerts with u2.
We did something called the
comeback of jesus in an arena

902
00:24:29,936 --> 00:24:32,203
we did something called the
comeback of jesus in an arena
with 80,000 people banging on

903
00:24:32,205 --> 00:24:34,805
comeback of jesus in an arena
with 80,000 people banging on
the floor going, "mary mary!"

904
00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:36,474
with 80,000 people banging on
the floor going, "mary mary!"
I was backstage boo-hoo crying

905
00:24:36,476 --> 00:24:39,143
the floor going, "mary mary!"
I was backstage boo-hoo crying
'cause I was like, "you let my

906
00:24:39,145 --> 00:24:40,744
I was backstage boo-hoo crying
'cause I was like, "you let my
dream come true."

907
00:24:40,746 --> 00:24:43,781
'cause I was like, "you let my
dream come true."
and so I'm so grateful that I

908
00:24:43,783 --> 00:24:45,549
dream come true."
and so I'm so grateful that I
was able to do all of that with

909
00:24:45,551 --> 00:24:47,084
and so I'm so grateful that I
was able to do all of that with
my sisters, even though we

910
00:24:47,086 --> 00:24:47,985
was able to do all of that with
my sisters, even though we
fought a lot.

911
00:24:47,987 --> 00:24:50,721
My sisters, even though we
fought a lot.
We disagreed a lot.

912
00:24:50,723 --> 00:24:51,922
Fought a lot.
We disagreed a lot.
With the love being the

913
00:24:51,924 --> 00:24:53,991
we disagreed a lot.
With the love being the
foundation, you know that at the

914
00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:56,026
with the love being the
foundation, you know that at the
core, you love one another, even

915
00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:57,595
foundation, you know that at the
core, you love one another, even
if you get mad.

916
00:24:57,597 --> 00:24:58,796
Core, you love one another, even
if you get mad.
Some of the people that worked

917
00:24:58,798 --> 00:24:59,797
if you get mad.
Some of the people that worked
for us would be a little

918
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:00,998
some of the people that worked
for us would be a little
overwhelming, like, "do y'all

919
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:01,832
for us would be a little
overwhelming, like, "do y'all
want separate cars?

920
00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:02,967
Overwhelming, like, "do y'all
want separate cars?
Y'all want different rooms?"

921
00:25:02,969 --> 00:25:04,502
want separate cars?
Y'all want different rooms?"
I was like, "no, I'mma be in the

922
00:25:04,504 --> 00:25:05,503
y'all want different rooms?"
I was like, "no, I'mma be in the
car with my sister.

923
00:25:05,505 --> 00:25:07,438
I was like, "no, I'mma be in the
car with my sister.
What is we talking about here?"

924
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,873
car with my sister.
What is we talking about here?"
you know, 'cause everybody

925
00:25:08,875 --> 00:25:10,541
what is we talking about here?"
you know, 'cause everybody
doesn't -- sister banter can be

926
00:25:10,543 --> 00:25:11,675
you know, 'cause everybody
doesn't -- sister banter can be
really interesting.

927
00:25:11,677 --> 00:25:13,210
Doesn't -- sister banter can be
really interesting.
It looks very argumentative.

928
00:25:13,212 --> 00:25:14,545
Really interesting.
It looks very argumentative.
It looks very volatile.

929
00:25:14,547 --> 00:25:16,146
It looks very argumentative.
It looks very volatile.
All that, but we would get right

930
00:25:16,148 --> 00:25:17,648
it looks very volatile.
All that, but we would get right
over it, get on stage, and do

931
00:25:17,650 --> 00:25:18,682
all that, but we would get right
over it, get on stage, and do
what we had to do.

932
00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:20,050
Over it, get on stage, and do
what we had to do.
We never let that come in

933
00:25:20,052 --> 00:25:21,318
what we had to do.
We never let that come in
between us, and I think that's

934
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,486
we never let that come in
between us, and I think that's
from what my mom taught us.

935
00:25:22,488 --> 00:25:23,721
Between us, and I think that's
from what my mom taught us.
You hug your sister and you

936
00:25:23,723 --> 00:25:25,155
from what my mom taught us.
You hug your sister and you
forgive your sister and you keep

937
00:25:25,157 --> 00:25:25,556
you hug your sister and you
forgive your sister and you keep
going, you know?

938
00:25:27,392 --> 00:25:30,060
♪

939
00:25:30,262 --> 00:25:34,265
>> campbell: So, working with my
husband as a solo artist was
interesting.

940
00:25:34,267 --> 00:25:35,766
Husband as a solo artist was
interesting.
One of the first things he said

941
00:25:35,768 --> 00:25:37,334
interesting.
One of the first things he said
to me was, "I don't know what

942
00:25:37,336 --> 00:25:38,702
one of the first things he said
to me was, "I don't know what
you sound like as a solo

943
00:25:38,704 --> 00:25:39,270
to me was, "I don't know what
you sound like as a solo
artist."

944
00:25:39,272 --> 00:25:40,738
you sound like as a solo
artist."
I was like, "what do you mean?

945
00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:42,706
Artist."
I was like, "what do you mean?
You've been my producer all

946
00:25:42,708 --> 00:25:43,774
I was like, "what do you mean?
You've been my producer all
through this mary mary, so what

947
00:25:43,776 --> 00:25:44,241
you've been my producer all
through this mary mary, so what
you mean?"

948
00:25:44,243 --> 00:25:45,242
through this mary mary, so what
you mean?"
he was like, "I know, but I'm

949
00:25:45,244 --> 00:25:46,343
you mean?"
he was like, "I know, but I'm
used to your voice with somebody

950
00:25:46,345 --> 00:25:46,644
he was like, "I know, but I'm
used to your voice with somebody
else.

951
00:25:46,646 --> 00:25:47,578
Used to your voice with somebody
else.
I don't know what you sound

952
00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:47,878
else.
I don't know what you sound
like.

953
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:48,979
I don't know what you sound
like.
I don't know what you -- I have

954
00:25:48,981 --> 00:25:49,947
like.
I don't know what you -- I have
no idea what your music will

955
00:25:49,949 --> 00:25:50,748
I don't know what you -- I have
no idea what your music will
sound like."

956
00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:52,349
no idea what your music will
sound like."
so of course, I was offended,

957
00:25:52,351 --> 00:25:53,984
sound like."
so of course, I was offended,
'cause I felt insulted.

958
00:25:53,986 --> 00:25:56,053
So of course, I was offended,
'cause I felt insulted.
I felt like he was saying, "you

959
00:25:56,055 --> 00:25:57,655
'cause I felt insulted.
I felt like he was saying, "you
can't do this by yourself."

960
00:25:57,657 --> 00:25:59,256
I felt like he was saying, "you
can't do this by yourself."
it didn't -- in my ears, it

961
00:25:59,258 --> 00:26:00,691
can't do this by yourself."
it didn't -- in my ears, it
didn't sound like, "I don't know

962
00:26:00,693 --> 00:26:01,725
it didn't -- in my ears, it
didn't sound like, "I don't know
what you sound like."

963
00:26:01,727 --> 00:26:03,093
didn't sound like, "I don't know
what you sound like."
it sounded like, "you can't do

964
00:26:03,095 --> 00:26:04,228
what you sound like."
it sounded like, "you can't do
this by yourself."

965
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:05,996
it sounded like, "you can't do
this by yourself."
I was able to tell him later,

966
00:26:05,998 --> 00:26:07,598
this by yourself."
I was able to tell him later,
but our process of working

967
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,400
I was able to tell him later,
but our process of working
together was pretty, pretty

968
00:26:09,402 --> 00:26:11,869
but our process of working
together was pretty, pretty
interesting because starting the

969
00:26:11,871 --> 00:26:13,904
together was pretty, pretty
interesting because starting the
solo career was on the -- we

970
00:26:13,906 --> 00:26:15,940
interesting because starting the
solo career was on the -- we
were doing the reality show.

971
00:26:15,942 --> 00:26:17,408
Solo career was on the -- we
were doing the reality show.
I just lost my dad.

972
00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:18,976
Were doing the reality show.
I just lost my dad.
Our former manager was suing us.

973
00:26:18,978 --> 00:26:20,444
I just lost my dad.
Our former manager was suing us.
It was just -- it was so much

974
00:26:20,446 --> 00:26:22,413
our former manager was suing us.
It was just -- it was so much
going on, so it was a

975
00:26:22,415 --> 00:26:25,249
it was just -- it was so much
going on, so it was a
challenging time to create music

976
00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:27,818
going on, so it was a
challenging time to create music
by myself knowing the world

977
00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:29,787
challenging time to create music
by myself knowing the world
loved mary mary.

978
00:26:29,789 --> 00:26:31,121
By myself knowing the world
loved mary mary.
A lot of people were kind of not

979
00:26:31,123 --> 00:26:32,222
loved mary mary.
A lot of people were kind of not
on board 'cause it's like,

980
00:26:32,224 --> 00:26:33,223
a lot of people were kind of not
on board 'cause it's like,
"you're from mary mary.

981
00:26:33,225 --> 00:26:35,259
On board 'cause it's like,
"you're from mary mary.
Why are you singing this

982
00:26:35,261 --> 00:26:36,727
"you're from mary mary.
Why are you singing this
churchy-churchy-sounding song?"

983
00:26:36,729 --> 00:26:38,295
why are you singing this
churchy-churchy-sounding song?"
but it was -- it was true to

984
00:26:38,297 --> 00:26:39,096
churchy-churchy-sounding song?"
but it was -- it was true to
where I was.

985
00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:40,798
But it was -- it was true to
where I was.
It was true to what I needed at

986
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,566
where I was.
It was true to what I needed at
the time, and warryn was really,

987
00:26:42,568 --> 00:26:44,435
it was true to what I needed at
the time, and warryn was really,
really, really hard in the

988
00:26:44,437 --> 00:26:45,736
the time, and warryn was really,
really, really hard in the
studio, as he always is,

989
00:26:45,738 --> 00:26:47,371
really, really hard in the
studio, as he always is,
probably because the stakes were

990
00:26:47,373 --> 00:26:49,039
studio, as he always is,
probably because the stakes were
higher because, you know, it was

991
00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:50,541
probably because the stakes were
higher because, you know, it was
something that it wasn't what

992
00:26:50,543 --> 00:26:51,508
higher because, you know, it was
something that it wasn't what
people were asking for.

993
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:52,743
Something that it wasn't what
people were asking for.
It was just I was giving it to

994
00:26:52,745 --> 00:26:53,043
people were asking for.
It was just I was giving it to
him.

995
00:26:53,045 --> 00:26:56,981
It was just I was giving it to
him.
So about three weeks before the

996
00:26:56,983 --> 00:26:59,049
him.
So about three weeks before the
record was due to come out, I

997
00:26:59,051 --> 00:27:01,585
so about three weeks before the
record was due to come out, I
lost all of my team.

998
00:27:01,587 --> 00:27:02,720
Record was due to come out, I
lost all of my team.
They all quit.

999
00:27:02,722 --> 00:27:04,355
Lost all of my team.
They all quit.
Conflict within the team, didn't

1000
00:27:04,357 --> 00:27:05,789
they all quit.
Conflict within the team, didn't
believe in the song, didn't

1001
00:27:05,791 --> 00:27:07,157
conflict within the team, didn't
believe in the song, didn't
believe in how things were

1002
00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:09,994
believe in the song, didn't
believe in how things were
working, and they literally

1003
00:27:09,996 --> 00:27:11,629
believe in how things were
working, and they literally
bounced -- deuces.

1004
00:27:11,631 --> 00:27:12,930
Working, and they literally
bounced -- deuces.
I was devastated, and I was

1005
00:27:12,932 --> 00:27:14,398
bounced -- deuces.
I was devastated, and I was
like, "lord, why would you have

1006
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,833
I was devastated, and I was
like, "lord, why would you have
me do this if I'm not supposed

1007
00:27:15,835 --> 00:27:17,234
like, "lord, why would you have
me do this if I'm not supposed
to be doing this, if it's not

1008
00:27:17,236 --> 00:27:17,935
me do this if I'm not supposed
to be doing this, if it's not
gonna work?"

1009
00:27:17,937 --> 00:27:19,703
to be doing this, if it's not
gonna work?"
I knew the label believed in me.

1010
00:27:19,705 --> 00:27:21,405
Gonna work?"
I knew the label believed in me.
They were super supportive, but

1011
00:27:21,407 --> 00:27:23,140
I knew the label believed in me.
They were super supportive, but
the team that I had hired, that

1012
00:27:23,142 --> 00:27:25,309
they were super supportive, but
the team that I had hired, that
I thought would fight for me did

1013
00:27:25,311 --> 00:27:25,843
the team that I had hired, that
I thought would fight for me did
not.

1014
00:27:25,845 --> 00:27:27,511
I thought would fight for me did
not.
But we kept going, and the

1015
00:27:27,513 --> 00:27:29,279
not.
But we kept going, and the
people that I acquired right

1016
00:27:29,281 --> 00:27:31,248
but we kept going, and the
people that I acquired right
after that were people that were

1017
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:36,020
people that I acquired right
after that were people that were
supposed to be on that team.

1018
00:27:36,022 --> 00:27:37,588
After that were people that were
supposed to be on that team.
So, being a solo artist, you

1019
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:39,056
supposed to be on that team.
So, being a solo artist, you
want to get invited to the

1020
00:27:39,058 --> 00:27:39,990
so, being a solo artist, you
want to get invited to the
stellar awards.

1021
00:27:39,992 --> 00:27:41,859
Want to get invited to the
stellar awards.
You want to sing on the

1022
00:27:41,861 --> 00:27:43,460
stellar awards.
You want to sing on the
stellar awards, and so it was a

1023
00:27:43,462 --> 00:27:45,029
you want to sing on the
stellar awards, and so it was a
brand-new song, and so my team

1024
00:27:45,031 --> 00:27:46,463
stellar awards, and so it was a
brand-new song, and so my team
calls and they're trying to

1025
00:27:46,465 --> 00:27:47,731
brand-new song, and so my team
calls and they're trying to
pitch me for the show.

1026
00:27:47,733 --> 00:27:49,733
Calls and they're trying to
pitch me for the show.
And the stellar awards comes

1027
00:27:49,735 --> 00:27:51,602
pitch me for the show.
And the stellar awards comes
back with, "we'll give her a

1028
00:27:51,604 --> 00:27:54,304
and the stellar awards comes
back with, "we'll give her a
minute and 34 seconds."

1029
00:27:54,306 --> 00:27:55,873
back with, "we'll give her a
minute and 34 seconds."
I was a little taken aback

1030
00:27:55,875 --> 00:27:57,574
minute and 34 seconds."
I was a little taken aback
because I'm like, "y'all know

1031
00:27:57,576 --> 00:27:57,975
I was a little taken aback
because I'm like, "y'all know
me.

1032
00:27:57,977 --> 00:28:00,577
Because I'm like, "y'all know
me.
I've hosted two or three times.

1033
00:28:00,579 --> 00:28:02,780
Me.
I've hosted two or three times.
I've won several."

1034
00:28:02,782 --> 00:28:05,616
I've hosted two or three times.
I've won several."
so, I felt like I could get a

1035
00:28:05,618 --> 00:28:07,084
I've won several."
so, I felt like I could get a
solo spot.

1036
00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:07,951
So, I felt like I could get a
solo spot.
Nope.

1037
00:28:07,953 --> 00:28:10,587
Solo spot.
Nope.
A minute and 34 seconds.

1038
00:28:10,589 --> 00:28:12,556
Nope.
A minute and 34 seconds.
I had a lighting person.

1039
00:28:12,558 --> 00:28:14,091
A minute and 34 seconds.
I had a lighting person.
I hired laurieann gibson, the

1040
00:28:14,093 --> 00:28:15,459
I had a lighting person.
I hired laurieann gibson, the
choreographer.

1041
00:28:15,461 --> 00:28:18,295
I hired laurieann gibson, the
choreographer.
Custom outfit made.

1042
00:28:18,297 --> 00:28:19,963
Choreographer.
Custom outfit made.
I went all out, and on top of

1043
00:28:19,965 --> 00:28:21,632
custom outfit made.
I went all out, and on top of
that, because they knew

1044
00:28:21,634 --> 00:28:23,567
I went all out, and on top of
that, because they knew
mary mary and they had that

1045
00:28:23,569 --> 00:28:25,169
that, because they knew
mary mary and they had that
experience, I had to come in and

1046
00:28:25,171 --> 00:28:27,705
mary mary and they had that
experience, I had to come in and
be a top-notch artist, and when

1047
00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:29,373
experience, I had to come in and
be a top-notch artist, and when
I say top-notch artist, I don't

1048
00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:30,974
be a top-notch artist, and when
I say top-notch artist, I don't
mean bad attitude, I don't mean

1049
00:28:30,976 --> 00:28:32,543
I say top-notch artist, I don't
mean bad attitude, I don't mean
late, I don't mean demanding.

1050
00:28:32,545 --> 00:28:34,411
Mean bad attitude, I don't mean
late, I don't mean demanding.
I mean be there on time, and I

1051
00:28:34,413 --> 00:28:34,878
late, I don't mean demanding.
I mean be there on time, and I
was.

1052
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,680
I mean be there on time, and I
was.
I mean speak to people, and I

1053
00:28:36,682 --> 00:28:37,147
was.
I mean speak to people, and I
did.

1054
00:28:37,149 --> 00:28:38,849
I mean speak to people, and I
did.
I mean say thank you to the

1055
00:28:38,851 --> 00:28:41,185
did.
I mean say thank you to the
producers, be kind.

1056
00:28:41,187 --> 00:28:42,286
I mean say thank you to the
producers, be kind.
And you know how rehearsals go

1057
00:28:42,288 --> 00:28:42,953
producers, be kind.
And you know how rehearsals go
at awards shows.

1058
00:28:42,955 --> 00:28:44,021
And you know how rehearsals go
at awards shows.
It's a bunch of "hurry up and

1059
00:28:44,023 --> 00:28:44,321
at awards shows.
It's a bunch of "hurry up and
wait.

1060
00:28:44,323 --> 00:28:45,322
It's a bunch of "hurry up and
wait.
Get there at this time, but

1061
00:28:45,324 --> 00:28:46,423
wait.
Get there at this time, but
you're probably not gonna sing

1062
00:28:46,425 --> 00:28:47,758
get there at this time, but
you're probably not gonna sing
for another two hours."

1063
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,193
you're probably not gonna sing
for another two hours."
and I sat there and I was polite

1064
00:28:49,195 --> 00:28:50,527
for another two hours."
and I sat there and I was polite
and they said, "do you want to

1065
00:28:50,529 --> 00:28:51,895
and I sat there and I was polite
and they said, "do you want to
go," and I was like, "no, I'll

1066
00:28:51,897 --> 00:28:53,230
and they said, "do you want to
go," and I was like, "no, I'll
stay, I'm fine," because I had

1067
00:28:53,232 --> 00:28:55,966
go," and I was like, "no, I'll
stay, I'm fine," because I had
to help them understand who I am

1068
00:28:55,968 --> 00:28:57,267
stay, I'm fine," because I had
to help them understand who I am
as a solo artist.

1069
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:59,403
To help them understand who I am
as a solo artist.
I'mma give it everything that I

1070
00:28:59,405 --> 00:29:01,138
as a solo artist.
I'mma give it everything that I
have, and I did, and the

1071
00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:02,272
I'mma give it everything that I
have, and I did, and the
performance wasn't even just

1072
00:29:02,274 --> 00:29:02,740
have, and I did, and the
performance wasn't even just
about me.

1073
00:29:02,742 --> 00:29:03,974
Performance wasn't even just
about me.
I wanted to make sure that even

1074
00:29:03,976 --> 00:29:05,242
about me.
I wanted to make sure that even
the women that I sang with, that

1075
00:29:05,244 --> 00:29:06,410
I wanted to make sure that even
the women that I sang with, that
we were all on stage, that we

1076
00:29:06,412 --> 00:29:07,244
the women that I sang with, that
we were all on stage, that we
all looked good.

1077
00:29:07,246 --> 00:29:08,712
We were all on stage, that we
all looked good.
The lighting wasn't just for me,

1078
00:29:08,714 --> 00:29:10,147
all looked good.
The lighting wasn't just for me,
it was for them, too, because I

1079
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:11,548
the lighting wasn't just for me,
it was for them, too, because I
put everything I had into that

1080
00:29:11,550 --> 00:29:13,317
it was for them, too, because I
put everything I had into that
minute and 34 seconds.

1081
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:15,219
Put everything I had into that
minute and 34 seconds.
Well, fast forward past that

1082
00:29:15,221 --> 00:29:16,186
minute and 34 seconds.
Well, fast forward past that
performance.

1083
00:29:16,188 --> 00:29:18,188
Well, fast forward past that
performance.
The next year, I was nominated

1084
00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:20,624
performance.
The next year, I was nominated
for eight and won all eight, and

1085
00:29:20,626 --> 00:29:22,726
the next year, I was nominated
for eight and won all eight, and
then the year after that, I

1086
00:29:22,728 --> 00:29:24,261
for eight and won all eight, and
then the year after that, I
hosted the awards with

1087
00:29:24,263 --> 00:29:27,998
then the year after that, I
hosted the awards with
anthony brown.

1088
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,533
Hosted the awards with
anthony brown.
When you're doing something new

1089
00:29:29,535 --> 00:29:31,135
anthony brown.
When you're doing something new
that people don't know, you have

1090
00:29:31,137 --> 00:29:31,702
when you're doing something new
that people don't know, you have
to push.

1091
00:29:31,704 --> 00:29:33,237
That people don't know, you have
to push.
I could've been in my feelings

1092
00:29:33,239 --> 00:29:34,872
to push.
I could've been in my feelings
and left and been like, "no, I'm

1093
00:29:34,874 --> 00:29:36,140
I could've been in my feelings
and left and been like, "no, I'm
never gonna sing again."

1094
00:29:36,142 --> 00:29:37,241
and left and been like, "no, I'm
never gonna sing again."
why? I love singing.

1095
00:29:37,243 --> 00:29:38,675
Never gonna sing again."
why? I love singing.
I love who I sing for.

1096
00:29:38,677 --> 00:29:39,977
Why? I love singing.
I love who I sing for.
I'm singing for god.

1097
00:29:39,979 --> 00:29:41,278
I love who I sing for.
I'm singing for god.
While I appreciate their

1098
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,880
I'm singing for god.
While I appreciate their
approval and I appreciate their

1099
00:29:42,882 --> 00:29:44,381
while I appreciate their
approval and I appreciate their
applause, my validation comes

1100
00:29:44,383 --> 00:29:45,015
approval and I appreciate their
applause, my validation comes
from god.

1101
00:29:45,017 --> 00:29:46,283
Applause, my validation comes
from god.
He gave me this gift.

1102
00:29:46,285 --> 00:29:47,985
From god.
He gave me this gift.
That's who I keep pushing for.

1103
00:29:47,987 --> 00:29:49,787
He gave me this gift.
That's who I keep pushing for.
That's why I kept going, and I'm

1104
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:51,622
that's who I keep pushing for.
That's why I kept going, and I'm
so grateful, so grateful that I

1105
00:29:51,624 --> 00:29:53,457
that's why I kept going, and I'm
so grateful, so grateful that I
did, and I believe I eventually

1106
00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:54,792
so grateful, so grateful that I
did, and I believe I eventually
won some people over.

1107
00:29:54,794 --> 00:29:56,226
Did, and I believe I eventually
won some people over.
You know, hard work and

1108
00:29:56,228 --> 00:29:57,995
won some people over.
You know, hard work and
diligence and making sure that

1109
00:29:57,997 --> 00:29:59,730
you know, hard work and
diligence and making sure that
it's excellent can never be

1110
00:29:59,732 --> 00:30:03,934
diligence and making sure that
it's excellent can never be
ignored.

1111
00:30:03,936 --> 00:30:05,669
It's excellent can never be
ignored.
The white dress.

1112
00:30:05,671 --> 00:30:07,504
Ignored.
The white dress.
I remember I had just had zaya,

1113
00:30:07,506 --> 00:30:09,206
the white dress.
I remember I had just had zaya,
so I'd lost a little weight.

1114
00:30:09,208 --> 00:30:10,841
I remember I had just had zaya,
so I'd lost a little weight.
I was feeling a little good

1115
00:30:10,843 --> 00:30:12,676
so I'd lost a little weight.
I was feeling a little good
about myself, and so j. Bolden,

1116
00:30:12,678 --> 00:30:14,511
I was feeling a little good
about myself, and so j. Bolden,
the stylist for that particular

1117
00:30:14,513 --> 00:30:16,446
about myself, and so j. Bolden,
the stylist for that particular
shoot, put me in this white

1118
00:30:16,448 --> 00:30:17,147
the stylist for that particular
shoot, put me in this white
two-piece.

1119
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:18,849
Shoot, put me in this white
two-piece.
The image came out amazing, so I

1120
00:30:18,851 --> 00:30:20,217
two-piece.
The image came out amazing, so I
immediately sent it to my

1121
00:30:20,219 --> 00:30:21,885
the image came out amazing, so I
immediately sent it to my
husband, to my family, and they

1122
00:30:21,887 --> 00:30:23,554
immediately sent it to my
husband, to my family, and they
were like, "oh, my god, this is

1123
00:30:23,556 --> 00:30:24,788
husband, to my family, and they
were like, "oh, my god, this is
awesome, this is amazing."

1124
00:30:24,790 --> 00:30:26,123
were like, "oh, my god, this is
awesome, this is amazing."
and when you get that support

1125
00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:27,591
awesome, this is amazing."
and when you get that support
from your family, you go, "we're

1126
00:30:27,593 --> 00:30:28,692
and when you get that support
from your family, you go, "we're
good."

1127
00:30:28,694 --> 00:30:30,093
from your family, you go, "we're
good."
so, the picture comes out.

1128
00:30:30,095 --> 00:30:32,396
Good."
so, the picture comes out.
It was supposed to be the album

1129
00:30:32,398 --> 00:30:34,164
so, the picture comes out.
It was supposed to be the album
cover, but it ended up being the

1130
00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:35,999
it was supposed to be the album
cover, but it ended up being the
press release, which went

1131
00:30:36,001 --> 00:30:37,734
cover, but it ended up being the
press release, which went
everywhere really fast.

1132
00:30:37,736 --> 00:30:39,903
Press release, which went
everywhere really fast.
Well, somebody on facebook did

1133
00:30:39,905 --> 00:30:41,705
everywhere really fast.
Well, somebody on facebook did
not like the white dress, child.

1134
00:30:41,707 --> 00:30:44,708
Well, somebody on facebook did
not like the white dress, child.
So they did this whole thing

1135
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:47,377
not like the white dress, child.
So they did this whole thing
about what I was trying to do

1136
00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:49,746
so they did this whole thing
about what I was trying to do
and how it was so sexy, and I'm

1137
00:30:49,748 --> 00:30:50,981
about what I was trying to do
and how it was so sexy, and I'm
like, "you ain't ever seen

1138
00:30:50,983 --> 00:30:52,149
and how it was so sexy, and I'm
like, "you ain't ever seen
nobody in a fitted dress

1139
00:30:52,151 --> 00:30:52,649
like, "you ain't ever seen
nobody in a fitted dress
before?"

1140
00:30:52,651 --> 00:30:53,417
nobody in a fitted dress
before?"
like, come on.

1141
00:30:53,419 --> 00:30:55,285
Before?"
like, come on.
It was just -- it was so absurd,

1142
00:30:55,287 --> 00:30:57,020
like, come on.
It was just -- it was so absurd,
and to this day, I still don't

1143
00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:58,889
it was just -- it was so absurd,
and to this day, I still don't
understand what all the fuss was

1144
00:30:58,891 --> 00:30:59,389
and to this day, I still don't
understand what all the fuss was
over.

1145
00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:00,357
Understand what all the fuss was
over.
Yes, I have curves.

1146
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:01,258
Over.
Yes, I have curves.
I'm a grown woman.

1147
00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:02,693
Yes, I have curves.
I'm a grown woman.
I'm a grown, married woman, and

1148
00:31:02,695 --> 00:31:03,594
I'm a grown woman.
I'm a grown, married woman, and
sexy is not a sin.

1149
00:31:03,596 --> 00:31:05,329
I'm a grown, married woman, and
sexy is not a sin.
And I was so hurt by being

1150
00:31:05,331 --> 00:31:07,397
sexy is not a sin.
And I was so hurt by being
misunderstood because that's one

1151
00:31:07,399 --> 00:31:09,166
and I was so hurt by being
misunderstood because that's one
thing that I really, really

1152
00:31:09,168 --> 00:31:09,833
misunderstood because that's one
thing that I really, really
don't like.

1153
00:31:09,835 --> 00:31:10,834
Thing that I really, really
don't like.
I don't like being

1154
00:31:10,836 --> 00:31:12,302
don't like.
I don't like being
misunderstood, and even though

1155
00:31:12,304 --> 00:31:13,770
I don't like being
misunderstood, and even though
I'm not one to explain myself

1156
00:31:13,772 --> 00:31:15,205
misunderstood, and even though
I'm not one to explain myself
and feel like I have to prove

1157
00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:17,107
I'm not one to explain myself
and feel like I have to prove
myself, it was just really

1158
00:31:17,109 --> 00:31:18,976
and feel like I have to prove
myself, it was just really
hurtful because they came for

1159
00:31:18,978 --> 00:31:19,676
myself, it was just really
hurtful because they came for
everything.

1160
00:31:19,678 --> 00:31:21,078
Hurtful because they came for
everything.
They came for my faith, they

1161
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,513
everything.
They came for my faith, they
came for my intentions, just

1162
00:31:23,515 --> 00:31:24,948
they came for my faith, they
came for my intentions, just
everything.

1163
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:27,985
Came for my intentions, just
everything.
I just think that the big gap

1164
00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:29,286
everything.
I just think that the big gap
between christianity and

1165
00:31:29,288 --> 00:31:30,954
I just think that the big gap
between christianity and
sexuality has been quite

1166
00:31:30,956 --> 00:31:33,023
between christianity and
sexuality has been quite
dangerous for the church, in my

1167
00:31:33,025 --> 00:31:33,557
sexuality has been quite
dangerous for the church, in my
opinion.

1168
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,025
Dangerous for the church, in my
opinion.
I think because we don't talk

1169
00:31:35,027 --> 00:31:36,326
opinion.
I think because we don't talk
about it, because we don't

1170
00:31:36,328 --> 00:31:37,628
I think because we don't talk
about it, because we don't
address it, people have to get

1171
00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:39,029
about it, because we don't
address it, people have to get
their information from somewhere

1172
00:31:39,031 --> 00:31:41,265
address it, people have to get
their information from somewhere
else, and if we did address it,

1173
00:31:41,267 --> 00:31:43,300
their information from somewhere
else, and if we did address it,
sex and sexuality and how we

1174
00:31:43,302 --> 00:31:45,736
else, and if we did address it,
sex and sexuality and how we
look and not just hold the women

1175
00:31:45,738 --> 00:31:46,904
sex and sexuality and how we
look and not just hold the women
responsible for how they look.

1176
00:31:46,906 --> 00:31:48,071
Look and not just hold the women
responsible for how they look.
Do I believe that we should be

1177
00:31:48,073 --> 00:31:48,472
responsible for how they look.
Do I believe that we should be
modest?

1178
00:31:48,474 --> 00:31:49,439
Do I believe that we should be
modest?
Absolutely.

1179
00:31:49,441 --> 00:31:51,842
Modest?
Absolutely.
I don't think that you should

1180
00:31:51,844 --> 00:31:54,845
absolutely.
I don't think that you should
show everything, but I think it

1181
00:31:54,847 --> 00:31:56,146
I don't think that you should
show everything, but I think it
was more of a blessing than a

1182
00:31:56,148 --> 00:31:57,514
show everything, but I think it
was more of a blessing than a
curse, and you have to be tough

1183
00:31:57,516 --> 00:31:58,982
was more of a blessing than a
curse, and you have to be tough
enough to deal with that kind of

1184
00:31:58,984 --> 00:31:59,416
curse, and you have to be tough
enough to deal with that kind of
stuff.

1185
00:31:59,418 --> 00:32:00,851
Enough to deal with that kind of
stuff.
One thing I love about my mama,

1186
00:32:00,853 --> 00:32:02,185
stuff.
One thing I love about my mama,
thomasina atkins, she always

1187
00:32:02,187 --> 00:32:03,620
one thing I love about my mama,
thomasina atkins, she always
told me, "you can live anything

1188
00:32:03,622 --> 00:32:04,087
thomasina atkins, she always
told me, "you can live anything
down.

1189
00:32:04,089 --> 00:32:05,589
Told me, "you can live anything
down.
Just keep going, just keep

1190
00:32:05,591 --> 00:32:06,156
down.
Just keep going, just keep
living.

1191
00:32:06,158 --> 00:32:07,457
Just keep going, just keep
living.
Just keep being who you are,

1192
00:32:07,459 --> 00:32:09,192
living.
Just keep being who you are,
just keep doing great music.

1193
00:32:09,194 --> 00:32:10,494
Just keep being who you are,
just keep doing great music.
Plus, another scandal's coming

1194
00:32:10,496 --> 00:32:11,194
just keep doing great music.
Plus, another scandal's coming
out next week.

1195
00:32:11,196 --> 00:32:12,195
Plus, another scandal's coming
out next week.
They'll be over yours.

1196
00:32:12,197 --> 00:32:12,529
Out next week.
They'll be over yours.
It's fine."

1197
00:32:17,568 --> 00:32:23,674
>> campbell: Being a mother is
one of the best jobs I could
ever have in life.

1198
00:32:23,676 --> 00:32:25,042
One of the best jobs I could
ever have in life.
I remember finding out I was

1199
00:32:25,044 --> 00:32:26,109
ever have in life.
I remember finding out I was
pregnant with krista.

1200
00:32:26,111 --> 00:32:27,210
I remember finding out I was
pregnant with krista.
Even though that wasn't an

1201
00:32:27,212 --> 00:32:30,380
pregnant with krista.
Even though that wasn't an
intentional pregnancy, I was

1202
00:32:30,382 --> 00:32:32,215
even though that wasn't an
intentional pregnancy, I was
super excited about carrying a

1203
00:32:32,217 --> 00:32:33,984
intentional pregnancy, I was
super excited about carrying a
baby, and I talked to her in my

1204
00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:35,752
super excited about carrying a
baby, and I talked to her in my
stomach and I sang songs to her

1205
00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:38,188
baby, and I talked to her in my
stomach and I sang songs to her
and I just -- man, I went

1206
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:40,557
stomach and I sang songs to her
and I just -- man, I went
overboard with krista and the

1207
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,693
and I just -- man, I went
overboard with krista and the
beautiful girl that she is

1208
00:32:42,695 --> 00:32:43,060
overboard with krista and the
beautiful girl that she is
today.

1209
00:32:43,062 --> 00:32:44,261
Beautiful girl that she is
today.
I prayed for her to be brown and

1210
00:32:44,263 --> 00:32:45,395
today.
I prayed for her to be brown and
I wanted her to have the cheeks

1211
00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:46,596
I prayed for her to be brown and
I wanted her to have the cheeks
that she has and I wanted her to

1212
00:32:46,598 --> 00:32:47,698
I wanted her to have the cheeks
that she has and I wanted her to
have the personality that she

1213
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:47,998
that she has and I wanted her to
have the personality that she
has.

1214
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,933
Have the personality that she
has.
God gave me just what I asked

1215
00:32:49,935 --> 00:32:50,534
has.
God gave me just what I asked
for.

1216
00:32:50,536 --> 00:32:53,036
God gave me just what I asked
for.
And then wozy came and then zaya

1217
00:32:53,038 --> 00:32:53,704
for.
And then wozy came and then zaya
came.

1218
00:32:53,706 --> 00:32:54,871
And then wozy came and then zaya
came.
I was patient with wozy.

1219
00:32:54,873 --> 00:32:56,239
Came.
I was patient with wozy.
Like, I rushed the girls out.

1220
00:32:56,241 --> 00:32:57,407
I was patient with wozy.
Like, I rushed the girls out.
So, I got tired of being

1221
00:32:57,409 --> 00:33:00,377
like, I rushed the girls out.
So, I got tired of being
pregnant, so at 37.5 weeks, the

1222
00:33:00,379 --> 00:33:02,145
so, I got tired of being
pregnant, so at 37.5 weeks, the
doctors said the baby was

1223
00:33:02,147 --> 00:33:05,015
pregnant, so at 37.5 weeks, the
doctors said the baby was
complete, and so I just -- I

1224
00:33:05,017 --> 00:33:06,483
doctors said the baby was
complete, and so I just -- I
just helped them a little bit

1225
00:33:06,485 --> 00:33:07,784
complete, and so I just -- I
just helped them a little bit
and had the babies early.

1226
00:33:07,786 --> 00:33:09,219
Just helped them a little bit
and had the babies early.
But when I got pregnant with

1227
00:33:09,221 --> 00:33:10,687
and had the babies early.
But when I got pregnant with
wozy, I just let him take his

1228
00:33:10,689 --> 00:33:12,089
but when I got pregnant with
wozy, I just let him take his
sweet time.

1229
00:33:12,091 --> 00:33:14,091
Wozy, I just let him take his
sweet time.
I didn't work as much.

1230
00:33:14,093 --> 00:33:16,226
Sweet time.
I didn't work as much.
I was chillin', and it's

1231
00:33:16,228 --> 00:33:18,228
I didn't work as much.
I was chillin', and it's
reflected in his personality.

1232
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:20,163
I was chillin', and it's
reflected in his personality.
And then with zaya, I was in

1233
00:33:20,165 --> 00:33:21,331
reflected in his personality.
And then with zaya, I was in
full work mode.

1234
00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:22,966
And then with zaya, I was in
full work mode.
I was -- we recorded "go get it"

1235
00:33:22,968 --> 00:33:24,501
full work mode.
I was -- we recorded "go get it"
when I was pregnant with zaya,

1236
00:33:24,503 --> 00:33:26,370
I was -- we recorded "go get it"
when I was pregnant with zaya,
doing the reality show.

1237
00:33:26,372 --> 00:33:28,705
When I was pregnant with zaya,
doing the reality show.
And I remember rushing her out

1238
00:33:28,707 --> 00:33:29,840
doing the reality show.
And I remember rushing her out
because I wanted to go to the

1239
00:33:29,842 --> 00:33:30,807
and I remember rushing her out
because I wanted to go to the
grammys because we were

1240
00:33:30,809 --> 00:33:32,042
because I wanted to go to the
grammys because we were
nominated either for "god in me"

1241
00:33:32,044 --> 00:33:32,709
grammys because we were
nominated either for "god in me"
or "go get it."

1242
00:33:32,711 --> 00:33:34,344
nominated either for "god in me"
or "go get it."
I can't remember which song.

1243
00:33:34,346 --> 00:33:36,580
Or "go get it."
I can't remember which song.
And me and tina fussed so much

1244
00:33:36,582 --> 00:33:38,849
I can't remember which song.
And me and tina fussed so much
we never even made it there and

1245
00:33:38,851 --> 00:33:40,050
and me and tina fussed so much
we never even made it there and
didn't win that year.

1246
00:33:40,052 --> 00:33:40,751
We never even made it there and
didn't win that year.
[ laughs ]

1247
00:33:40,753 --> 00:33:42,119
didn't win that year.
[ laughs ]
so I did all of that for

1248
00:33:42,121 --> 00:33:43,787
[ laughs ]
so I did all of that for
nothing.

1249
00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:44,821
So I did all of that for
nothing.
But I learned my lesson.

1250
00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:45,856
Nothing.
But I learned my lesson.
My kids are my priority.

1251
00:33:45,858 --> 00:33:47,157
But I learned my lesson.
My kids are my priority.
Now, I do know that in being in

1252
00:33:47,159 --> 00:33:48,358
my kids are my priority.
Now, I do know that in being in
the business, you're going to

1253
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,061
now, I do know that in being in
the business, you're going to
miss some things, but I'm

1254
00:33:51,063 --> 00:33:52,529
the business, you're going to
miss some things, but I'm
dedicated to being at all the

1255
00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:54,965
miss some things, but I'm
dedicated to being at all the
special moments in my children's

1256
00:33:54,967 --> 00:33:57,567
dedicated to being at all the
special moments in my children's
life, dedicated to raising them

1257
00:33:57,569 --> 00:33:59,836
special moments in my children's
life, dedicated to raising them
with love, raising them with

1258
00:33:59,838 --> 00:34:01,405
life, dedicated to raising them
with love, raising them with
god, raising them to believe in

1259
00:34:01,407 --> 00:34:03,573
with love, raising them with
god, raising them to believe in
themselves, to know that there's

1260
00:34:03,575 --> 00:34:05,575
god, raising them to believe in
themselves, to know that there's
greatness on the inside of them.

1261
00:34:05,577 --> 00:34:07,077
Themselves, to know that there's
greatness on the inside of them.
Those life lessons are crucial,

1262
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:08,345
greatness on the inside of them.
Those life lessons are crucial,
and you have to tell them

1263
00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:09,112
those life lessons are crucial,
and you have to tell them
continuously.

1264
00:34:09,114 --> 00:34:10,614
And you have to tell them
continuously.
They don't always listen, not

1265
00:34:10,616 --> 00:34:11,381
continuously.
They don't always listen, not
immediately.

1266
00:34:11,383 --> 00:34:13,150
They don't always listen, not
immediately.
So she may make some left turns

1267
00:34:13,152 --> 00:34:14,451
immediately.
So she may make some left turns
that I don't want her to.

1268
00:34:14,453 --> 00:34:15,986
So she may make some left turns
that I don't want her to.
She may choose some things that

1269
00:34:15,988 --> 00:34:17,454
that I don't want her to.
She may choose some things that
I don't want her to, but if I

1270
00:34:17,456 --> 00:34:19,056
she may choose some things that
I don't want her to, but if I
put the right thing in her,

1271
00:34:19,058 --> 00:34:20,023
I don't want her to, but if I
put the right thing in her,
she'll be okay.

1272
00:34:20,025 --> 00:34:21,691
Put the right thing in her,
she'll be okay.
And I believe all my kids will

1273
00:34:21,693 --> 00:34:21,958
she'll be okay.
And I believe all my kids will
be okay.

1274
00:34:27,698 --> 00:34:34,104
So, while I was making this
record in 2013, my father had
cancer, and when you're a

1275
00:34:34,106 --> 00:34:36,006
record in 2013, my father had
cancer, and when you're a
faith-filled family, you believe

1276
00:34:36,008 --> 00:34:37,207
cancer, and when you're a
faith-filled family, you believe
god is gonna heal.

1277
00:34:37,209 --> 00:34:38,942
Faith-filled family, you believe
god is gonna heal.
Like, you never even consider

1278
00:34:38,944 --> 00:34:40,744
god is gonna heal.
Like, you never even consider
that he might not be healed.

1279
00:34:40,746 --> 00:34:42,612
Like, you never even consider
that he might not be healed.
And so my family was praying,

1280
00:34:42,614 --> 00:34:44,614
that he might not be healed.
And so my family was praying,
praying, praying, and we went to

1281
00:34:44,616 --> 00:34:46,049
and so my family was praying,
praying, praying, and we went to
tina's house and had this

1282
00:34:46,051 --> 00:34:48,151
praying, praying, and we went to
tina's house and had this
celebratory prayer service, and

1283
00:34:48,153 --> 00:34:49,820
tina's house and had this
celebratory prayer service, and
we danced and sung, and we just

1284
00:34:49,822 --> 00:34:53,190
celebratory prayer service, and
we danced and sung, and we just
believed that he was gonna be

1285
00:34:53,192 --> 00:34:54,791
we danced and sung, and we just
believed that he was gonna be
healed.

1286
00:34:54,793 --> 00:34:57,027
Believed that he was gonna be
healed.
Well, he got his healing another

1287
00:34:57,029 --> 00:34:59,529
healed.
Well, he got his healing another
way, and went on to be with the

1288
00:34:59,531 --> 00:35:00,464
well, he got his healing another
way, and went on to be with the
lord.

1289
00:35:00,466 --> 00:35:02,999
Way, and went on to be with the
lord.
And if you -- if you trust in

1290
00:35:03,001 --> 00:35:05,001
lord.
And if you -- if you trust in
love god, you have to accept it,

1291
00:35:05,003 --> 00:35:06,236
and if you -- if you trust in
love god, you have to accept it,
even though it doesn't feel

1292
00:35:06,238 --> 00:35:06,736
love god, you have to accept it,
even though it doesn't feel
good.

1293
00:35:06,738 --> 00:35:08,371
Even though it doesn't feel
good.
Even though we didn't -- you

1294
00:35:08,373 --> 00:35:10,040
good.
Even though we didn't -- you
know, I was married and grown

1295
00:35:10,042 --> 00:35:12,442
even though we didn't -- you
know, I was married and grown
and on my own, just not having

1296
00:35:12,444 --> 00:35:15,212
know, I was married and grown
and on my own, just not having
my dad on the planet was just --

1297
00:35:15,214 --> 00:35:16,313
and on my own, just not having
my dad on the planet was just --
it was just kind of

1298
00:35:16,315 --> 00:35:17,114
my dad on the planet was just --
it was just kind of
life-shaking.

1299
00:35:17,116 --> 00:35:19,249
It was just kind of
life-shaking.
And then having to create music

1300
00:35:19,251 --> 00:35:20,584
life-shaking.
And then having to create music
and knowing that I had to kind

1301
00:35:20,586 --> 00:35:21,852
and then having to create music
and knowing that I had to kind
of push extra hard -- we were

1302
00:35:21,854 --> 00:35:23,220
and knowing that I had to kind
of push extra hard -- we were
also doing the reality show, so

1303
00:35:23,222 --> 00:35:24,221
of push extra hard -- we were
also doing the reality show, so
there was all of that.

1304
00:35:24,223 --> 00:35:26,323
Also doing the reality show, so
there was all of that.
It was just -- it was a lot,

1305
00:35:26,325 --> 00:35:28,425
there was all of that.
It was just -- it was a lot,
man, a lot for my heart to take.

1306
00:35:28,427 --> 00:35:31,928
It was just -- it was a lot,
man, a lot for my heart to take.
And we were talking about the

1307
00:35:31,930 --> 00:35:34,131
man, a lot for my heart to take.
And we were talking about the
service, and...

1308
00:35:34,133 --> 00:35:35,298
And we were talking about the
service, and...
[ sighs ]

1309
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:37,200
service, and...
[ sighs ]
...And we were talking about

1310
00:35:37,202 --> 00:35:39,269
[ sighs ]
...And we were talking about
singing for my dad.

1311
00:35:39,271 --> 00:35:40,070
...And we were talking about
singing for my dad.
[ voice breaking ] and I

1312
00:35:40,072 --> 00:35:42,339
singing for my dad.
[ voice breaking ] and I
couldn't do it.

1313
00:35:42,341 --> 00:35:44,774
[ voice breaking ] and I
couldn't do it.
I couldn't do it.

1314
00:35:44,776 --> 00:35:45,876
Couldn't do it.
I couldn't do it.
I wanted to sing at the

1315
00:35:45,878 --> 00:35:47,344
I couldn't do it.
I wanted to sing at the
celebration and I wanted to sing

1316
00:35:47,346 --> 00:35:50,280
I wanted to sing at the
celebration and I wanted to sing
at his service, but I just -- I

1317
00:35:50,282 --> 00:35:51,515
celebration and I wanted to sing
at his service, but I just -- I
just wanted to sit on the front

1318
00:35:51,517 --> 00:35:54,184
at his service, but I just -- I
just wanted to sit on the front
row and just cry and just be

1319
00:35:54,186 --> 00:35:55,452
just wanted to sit on the front
row and just cry and just be
there in the service.

1320
00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:57,120
Row and just cry and just be
there in the service.
And my sisters sang, they got

1321
00:35:57,122 --> 00:35:57,521
there in the service.
And my sisters sang, they got
up.

1322
00:35:57,523 --> 00:36:02,592
And my sisters sang, they got
up.
I just -- I couldn't do it.

1323
00:36:02,594 --> 00:36:06,229
Up.
I just -- I couldn't do it.
Sorry, daddy.

1324
00:36:06,231 --> 00:36:07,931
I just -- I couldn't do it.
Sorry, daddy.
I should've sang for the service

1325
00:36:07,933 --> 00:36:11,835
sorry, daddy.
I should've sang for the service
and I didn't.

1326
00:36:11,837 --> 00:36:17,040
I should've sang for the service
and I didn't.
So, you just keep going.

1327
00:36:17,042 --> 00:36:18,542
And I didn't.
So, you just keep going.
I think he would be proud now,

1328
00:36:18,544 --> 00:36:20,243
so, you just keep going.
I think he would be proud now,
though.

1329
00:36:20,245 --> 00:36:21,645
I think he would be proud now,
though.
I think he'd say, "it's okay,

1330
00:36:21,647 --> 00:36:22,412
though.
I think he'd say, "it's okay,
plum."

1331
00:36:22,414 --> 00:36:24,748
I think he'd say, "it's okay,
plum."
that's what he'd call me.

1332
00:36:24,750 --> 00:36:25,081
Plum."
that's what he'd call me.
"it's okay."

1333
00:36:31,055 --> 00:36:33,123
>> campbell: How do I feel about
the current state of gospel
music?

1334
00:36:33,125 --> 00:36:35,492
The current state of gospel
music?
It's interesting.

1335
00:36:35,494 --> 00:36:36,459
Music?
It's interesting.
There's some good, there's some

1336
00:36:36,461 --> 00:36:36,860
it's interesting.
There's some good, there's some
bad.

1337
00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:38,528
There's some good, there's some
bad.
There's some people who you can

1338
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:39,563
bad.
There's some people who you can
tell their heart is in the right

1339
00:36:39,565 --> 00:36:41,331
there's some people who you can
tell their heart is in the right
place, but they're also very

1340
00:36:41,333 --> 00:36:41,998
tell their heart is in the right
place, but they're also very
professional.

1341
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,266
Place, but they're also very
professional.
I think it's a lot of people

1342
00:36:43,268 --> 00:36:45,569
professional.
I think it's a lot of people
doing great, but I think some

1343
00:36:45,571 --> 00:36:47,037
I think it's a lot of people
doing great, but I think some
people have kind of come in the

1344
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:48,405
doing great, but I think some
people have kind of come in the
industry with their fist up.

1345
00:36:48,407 --> 00:36:49,606
People have kind of come in the
industry with their fist up.
"man, they ain't gonna support

1346
00:36:49,608 --> 00:36:49,873
industry with their fist up.
"man, they ain't gonna support
me.

1347
00:36:49,875 --> 00:36:51,107
"man, they ain't gonna support
me.
Man, you know," and that's just

1348
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:53,677
me.
Man, you know," and that's just
the wrong attitude, 'cause just

1349
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:55,445
man, you know," and that's just
the wrong attitude, 'cause just
like I was told when I started

1350
00:36:55,447 --> 00:36:57,681
the wrong attitude, 'cause just
like I was told when I started
my solo career, we don't really

1351
00:36:57,683 --> 00:36:58,381
like I was told when I started
my solo career, we don't really
know you.

1352
00:36:58,383 --> 00:37:00,217
My solo career, we don't really
know you.
You may absolutely be great, but

1353
00:37:00,219 --> 00:37:01,351
know you.
You may absolutely be great, but
you got to prove yourself.

1354
00:37:01,353 --> 00:37:02,152
You may absolutely be great, but
you got to prove yourself.
It is what it is.

1355
00:37:02,154 --> 00:37:03,186
You got to prove yourself.
It is what it is.
This ain't your church.

1356
00:37:03,188 --> 00:37:04,321
It is what it is.
This ain't your church.
Yes, they love you at your

1357
00:37:04,323 --> 00:37:04,754
this ain't your church.
Yes, they love you at your
church.

1358
00:37:04,756 --> 00:37:05,722
Yes, they love you at your
church.
The industry may not.

1359
00:37:05,724 --> 00:37:06,890
Church.
The industry may not.
You can't be in your feelings.

1360
00:37:06,892 --> 00:37:07,991
The industry may not.
You can't be in your feelings.
You got to work hard, but you

1361
00:37:07,993 --> 00:37:09,226
you can't be in your feelings.
You got to work hard, but you
also have to be professional and

1362
00:37:09,228 --> 00:37:10,360
you got to work hard, but you
also have to be professional and
you also have to remember that

1363
00:37:10,362 --> 00:37:11,461
also have to be professional and
you also have to remember that
your reputation will precede

1364
00:37:11,463 --> 00:37:12,929
you also have to remember that
your reputation will precede
you, so it's a lot to learn.

1365
00:37:12,931 --> 00:37:14,464
Your reputation will precede
you, so it's a lot to learn.
You know, this is a different

1366
00:37:14,466 --> 00:37:16,032
you, so it's a lot to learn.
You know, this is a different
day and age, and so I'm always

1367
00:37:16,034 --> 00:37:17,467
you know, this is a different
day and age, and so I'm always
for the change, but I just want

1368
00:37:17,469 --> 00:37:18,835
day and age, and so I'm always
for the change, but I just want
to make sure that the heart is

1369
00:37:18,837 --> 00:37:19,269
for the change, but I just want
to make sure that the heart is
right.

1370
00:37:19,271 --> 00:37:20,403
To make sure that the heart is
right.
Whether you are singing for a

1371
00:37:20,405 --> 00:37:21,638
right.
Whether you are singing for a
church audience or a non-church

1372
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,806
whether you are singing for a
church audience or a non-church
audience, I want you to make

1373
00:37:22,808 --> 00:37:24,040
church audience or a non-church
audience, I want you to make
sure that your heart is in the

1374
00:37:24,042 --> 00:37:25,308
audience, I want you to make
sure that your heart is in the
right place, because that's what

1375
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:26,509
sure that your heart is in the
right place, because that's what
matters the most, 'cause we can

1376
00:37:26,511 --> 00:37:27,510
right place, because that's what
matters the most, 'cause we can
tell when you're faking.

1377
00:37:27,512 --> 00:37:28,445
Matters the most, 'cause we can
tell when you're faking.
We really can.

1378
00:37:28,447 --> 00:37:28,912
Tell when you're faking.
We really can.
We love you, though.

1379
00:37:31,182 --> 00:37:36,219
♪
>> campbell: So, how do you
recover from bad business

1380
00:37:36,221 --> 00:37:37,254
>> campbell: So, how do you
recover from bad business
relationships?

1381
00:37:37,256 --> 00:37:40,257
Recover from bad business
relationships?
Uh...You got to be mature enough

1382
00:37:40,259 --> 00:37:42,926
relationships?
Uh...You got to be mature enough
to allow people to be human.

1383
00:37:42,928 --> 00:37:46,463
Uh...You got to be mature enough
to allow people to be human.
So, the different managers that

1384
00:37:46,465 --> 00:37:48,798
to allow people to be human.
So, the different managers that
I've had over time and having to

1385
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,067
so, the different managers that
I've had over time and having to
let those managers go was never

1386
00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:52,569
I've had over time and having to
let those managers go was never
easy, never comfortable, and

1387
00:37:52,571 --> 00:37:54,004
let those managers go was never
easy, never comfortable, and
because I know this gospel

1388
00:37:54,006 --> 00:37:56,273
easy, never comfortable, and
because I know this gospel
industry is small, I just don't

1389
00:37:56,275 --> 00:37:58,708
because I know this gospel
industry is small, I just don't
believe in racking up enemies.

1390
00:37:58,710 --> 00:38:00,443
Industry is small, I just don't
believe in racking up enemies.
I just don't.

1391
00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:04,080
Believe in racking up enemies.
I just don't.
So, you know, you let somebody

1392
00:38:04,082 --> 00:38:06,449
I just don't.
So, you know, you let somebody
go, and you never know where

1393
00:38:06,451 --> 00:38:07,784
so, you know, you let somebody
go, and you never know where
it's gonna come back.

1394
00:38:07,786 --> 00:38:10,453
Go, and you never know where
it's gonna come back.
You never know if they are

1395
00:38:10,455 --> 00:38:11,888
it's gonna come back.
You never know if they are
talking bad about you, which

1396
00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:12,956
you never know if they are
talking bad about you, which
they probably were.

1397
00:38:12,958 --> 00:38:13,990
Talking bad about you, which
they probably were.
You know, whatever.

1398
00:38:13,992 --> 00:38:15,392
They probably were.
You know, whatever.
But because this bubble is

1399
00:38:15,394 --> 00:38:16,893
you know, whatever.
But because this bubble is
small, you're gonna see them

1400
00:38:16,895 --> 00:38:17,560
but because this bubble is
small, you're gonna see them
again.

1401
00:38:17,562 --> 00:38:19,562
Small, you're gonna see them
again.
And you're literally on stage

1402
00:38:19,564 --> 00:38:21,931
again.
And you're literally on stage
singing "in the morning it'll be

1403
00:38:21,933 --> 00:38:22,465
and you're literally on stage
singing "in the morning it'll be
alright.

1404
00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:23,500
Singing "in the morning it'll be
alright.
I can't give up now."

1405
00:38:23,502 --> 00:38:24,934
alright.
I can't give up now."
you're literally telling people

1406
00:38:24,936 --> 00:38:26,403
I can't give up now."
you're literally telling people
to be loving and to be forgiving

1407
00:38:26,405 --> 00:38:27,804
you're literally telling people
to be loving and to be forgiving
and you can overcome anything.

1408
00:38:27,806 --> 00:38:29,105
To be loving and to be forgiving
and you can overcome anything.
There's no way you can be on

1409
00:38:29,107 --> 00:38:30,840
and you can overcome anything.
There's no way you can be on
stage singing and telling people

1410
00:38:30,842 --> 00:38:32,475
there's no way you can be on
stage singing and telling people
you can overcome anything, and

1411
00:38:32,477 --> 00:38:34,044
stage singing and telling people
you can overcome anything, and
then I'm holding this grudge

1412
00:38:34,046 --> 00:38:35,111
you can overcome anything, and
then I'm holding this grudge
because you sued me.

1413
00:38:35,113 --> 00:38:36,579
Then I'm holding this grudge
because you sued me.
Plus, I know I'mma see you all

1414
00:38:36,581 --> 00:38:37,180
because you sued me.
Plus, I know I'mma see you all
the time.

1415
00:38:37,182 --> 00:38:39,783
Plus, I know I'mma see you all
the time.
So I went out of my way to make

1416
00:38:39,785 --> 00:38:42,352
the time.
So I went out of my way to make
sure that we could reconcile.

1417
00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:43,987
So I went out of my way to make
sure that we could reconcile.
>> hey, congratulations on the

1418
00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:44,654
sure that we could reconcile.
>> hey, congratulations on the
new show.

1419
00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:45,588
>> hey, congratulations on the
new show.
How's it going?

1420
00:38:45,590 --> 00:38:46,990
New show.
How's it going?
>> campbell: So, I went into

1421
00:38:46,992 --> 00:38:48,591
how's it going?
>> campbell: So, I went into
reality tv knowing that it was a

1422
00:38:48,593 --> 00:38:50,627
>> campbell: So, I went into
reality tv knowing that it was a
big commercial.

1423
00:38:50,629 --> 00:38:51,795
Reality tv knowing that it was a
big commercial.
A commercial for who you are and

1424
00:38:51,797 --> 00:38:53,129
big commercial.
A commercial for who you are and
a commercial for what you do.

1425
00:38:53,131 --> 00:38:55,265
A commercial for who you are and
a commercial for what you do.
It allowed us to kind of still

1426
00:38:55,267 --> 00:38:57,100
a commercial for what you do.
It allowed us to kind of still
be, you know, present even

1427
00:38:57,102 --> 00:38:59,102
it allowed us to kind of still
be, you know, present even
though we weren't putting out

1428
00:38:59,104 --> 00:39:02,672
be, you know, present even
though we weren't putting out
music, and it was also very hard

1429
00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:04,274
though we weren't putting out
music, and it was also very hard
on my family because every show

1430
00:39:04,276 --> 00:39:05,241
music, and it was also very hard
on my family because every show
needs a villain.

1431
00:39:05,243 --> 00:39:06,609
On my family because every show
needs a villain.
And even though you take

1432
00:39:06,611 --> 00:39:08,178
needs a villain.
And even though you take
meetings with people and they

1433
00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:10,146
and even though you take
meetings with people and they
tell you things like, "black

1434
00:39:10,148 --> 00:39:12,315
meetings with people and they
tell you things like, "black
people like drama, this is what

1435
00:39:12,317 --> 00:39:14,517
tell you things like, "black
people like drama, this is what
they want," I'm like, "not this

1436
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:15,251
people like drama, this is what
they want," I'm like, "not this
black woman."

1437
00:39:15,253 --> 00:39:16,553
they want," I'm like, "not this
black woman."
I know a whole lot of black

1438
00:39:16,555 --> 00:39:18,488
black woman."
I know a whole lot of black
women that don't want this.

1439
00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:19,856
I know a whole lot of black
women that don't want this.
But that's what I heard from the

1440
00:39:19,858 --> 00:39:21,191
women that don't want this.
But that's what I heard from the
executives, and so even though

1441
00:39:21,193 --> 00:39:22,459
but that's what I heard from the
executives, and so even though
we made our attempts being an

1442
00:39:22,461 --> 00:39:23,760
executives, and so even though
we made our attempts being an
executive producer, being able

1443
00:39:23,762 --> 00:39:25,362
we made our attempts being an
executive producer, being able
to do some of the cuts and watch

1444
00:39:25,364 --> 00:39:26,896
executive producer, being able
to do some of the cuts and watch
some of the things, there was a

1445
00:39:26,898 --> 00:39:28,264
to do some of the cuts and watch
some of the things, there was a
lot that didn't make it and

1446
00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:29,733
some of the things, there was a
lot that didn't make it and
there was a lot that did that

1447
00:39:29,735 --> 00:39:31,368
lot that didn't make it and
there was a lot that did that
just some of it was good and

1448
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:32,535
there was a lot that did that
just some of it was good and
some of it was not.

1449
00:39:32,537 --> 00:39:34,104
Just some of it was good and
some of it was not.
And I just didn't want to keep

1450
00:39:34,106 --> 00:39:35,638
some of it was not.
And I just didn't want to keep
subjecting my family to that.

1451
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:36,806
And I just didn't want to keep
subjecting my family to that.
Fast forward to doing

1452
00:39:36,808 --> 00:39:38,375
subjecting my family to that.
Fast forward to doing
"we're the campbells," with my

1453
00:39:38,377 --> 00:39:39,776
fast forward to doing
"we're the campbells," with my
family, we were very, very

1454
00:39:39,778 --> 00:39:41,277
"we're the campbells," with my
family, we were very, very
protective of our children, and

1455
00:39:41,279 --> 00:39:42,679
family, we were very, very
protective of our children, and
I believe some good messages

1456
00:39:42,681 --> 00:39:43,880
protective of our children, and
I believe some good messages
were able to come out, but it

1457
00:39:43,882 --> 00:39:44,514
I believe some good messages
were able to come out, but it
didn't last.

1458
00:39:44,516 --> 00:39:45,648
Were able to come out, but it
didn't last.
I guess there wasn't enough

1459
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:46,349
didn't last.
I guess there wasn't enough
drama.

1460
00:39:46,351 --> 00:39:47,851
I guess there wasn't enough
drama.
And I always told them from day

1461
00:39:47,853 --> 00:39:49,319
drama.
And I always told them from day
one, "I'mma be a gospel artist

1462
00:39:49,321 --> 00:39:50,553
and I always told them from day
one, "I'mma be a gospel artist
after this show is over.

1463
00:39:50,555 --> 00:39:52,055
One, "I'mma be a gospel artist
after this show is over.
You can't just put anything out

1464
00:39:52,057 --> 00:39:52,555
after this show is over.
You can't just put anything out
there."

1465
00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:55,158
you can't just put anything out
there."
so we chose to not do the show

1466
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:00,663
there."
so we chose to not do the show
anymore.

1467
00:40:00,665 --> 00:40:02,565
So we chose to not do the show
anymore.
California worship center.

1468
00:40:02,567 --> 00:40:04,000
Anymore.
California worship center.
A little backstory -- when me

1469
00:40:04,002 --> 00:40:05,535
california worship center.
A little backstory -- when me
and warryn got together, he's a

1470
00:40:05,537 --> 00:40:06,736
a little backstory -- when me
and warryn got together, he's a
producer, I'm a singer.

1471
00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:07,737
And warryn got together, he's a
producer, I'm a singer.
We have this great life, we

1472
00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:08,638
producer, I'm a singer.
We have this great life, we
travel and sing.

1473
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,006
We have this great life, we
travel and sing.
Of course we're members of a

1474
00:40:10,008 --> 00:40:11,541
travel and sing.
Of course we're members of a
church, we go to church, but we

1475
00:40:11,543 --> 00:40:12,509
of course we're members of a
church, we go to church, but we
don't, you know, have to be

1476
00:40:12,511 --> 00:40:14,043
church, we go to church, but we
don't, you know, have to be
there every single Sunday.

1477
00:40:14,045 --> 00:40:15,512
Don't, you know, have to be
there every single Sunday.
So, I was used to that as my

1478
00:40:15,514 --> 00:40:15,979
there every single Sunday.
So, I was used to that as my
life.

1479
00:40:15,981 --> 00:40:17,480
So, I was used to that as my
life.
So he starts hanging out with

1480
00:40:17,482 --> 00:40:18,982
life.
So he starts hanging out with
preachers, hanging out with

1481
00:40:18,984 --> 00:40:19,516
so he starts hanging out with
preachers, hanging out with
bishops.

1482
00:40:19,518 --> 00:40:21,050
Preachers, hanging out with
bishops.
Then he wants to go to seminary,

1483
00:40:21,052 --> 00:40:22,485
bishops.
Then he wants to go to seminary,
and I'm like, "lord, we talked

1484
00:40:22,487 --> 00:40:25,321
then he wants to go to seminary,
and I'm like, "lord, we talked
about this, and I told you I

1485
00:40:25,323 --> 00:40:28,158
and I'm like, "lord, we talked
about this, and I told you I
don't want a pastor, and I don't

1486
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,793
about this, and I told you I
don't want a pastor, and I don't
want to be a first lady."

1487
00:40:29,795 --> 00:40:31,261
don't want a pastor, and I don't
want to be a first lady."
so, he starts the bible study,

1488
00:40:31,263 --> 00:40:32,729
want to be a first lady."
so, he starts the bible study,
and I'm like, "alright, we can

1489
00:40:32,731 --> 00:40:34,164
so, he starts the bible study,
and I'm like, "alright, we can
start a bible study," and the

1490
00:40:34,166 --> 00:40:35,698
and I'm like, "alright, we can
start a bible study," and the
first bible study, we have about

1491
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:36,966
start a bible study," and the
first bible study, we have about
70 people.

1492
00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:38,635
First bible study, we have about
70 people.
So, warryn eventually comes to

1493
00:40:38,637 --> 00:40:40,437
70 people.
So, warryn eventually comes to
me and tells me that he wants to

1494
00:40:40,439 --> 00:40:42,505
so, warryn eventually comes to
me and tells me that he wants to
start a church.

1495
00:40:42,507 --> 00:40:45,775
Me and tells me that he wants to
start a church.
And so my first answer is, "god

1496
00:40:45,777 --> 00:40:47,410
start a church.
And so my first answer is, "god
told you that, not me."

1497
00:40:47,412 --> 00:40:49,546
and so my first answer is, "god
told you that, not me."
but I realized that my "no" kind

1498
00:40:49,548 --> 00:40:51,448
told you that, not me."
but I realized that my "no" kind
of held him hostage, because

1499
00:40:51,450 --> 00:40:53,016
but I realized that my "no" kind
of held him hostage, because
when you're married, the two

1500
00:40:53,018 --> 00:40:53,750
of held him hostage, because
when you're married, the two
become one.

1501
00:40:53,752 --> 00:40:55,418
When you're married, the two
become one.
He couldn't do this without my

1502
00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:56,019
become one.
He couldn't do this without my
support.

1503
00:40:56,021 --> 00:40:57,587
He couldn't do this without my
support.
And our church grew really fast.

1504
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:59,088
Support.
And our church grew really fast.
We were in this school and had,

1505
00:40:59,090 --> 00:41:00,123
and our church grew really fast.
We were in this school and had,
like, 700 people.

1506
00:41:00,125 --> 00:41:01,791
We were in this school and had,
like, 700 people.
I mean, all kind of celebrities

1507
00:41:01,793 --> 00:41:03,393
like, 700 people.
I mean, all kind of celebrities
coming, probably because it's

1508
00:41:03,395 --> 00:41:04,427
I mean, all kind of celebrities
coming, probably because it's
california.

1509
00:41:04,429 --> 00:41:07,430
Coming, probably because it's
california.
And after his message, I went up

1510
00:41:07,432 --> 00:41:08,631
california.
And after his message, I went up
to give him a hug, and I

1511
00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:10,166
and after his message, I went up
to give him a hug, and I
whispered in his ear and I said,

1512
00:41:10,168 --> 00:41:11,534
to give him a hug, and I
whispered in his ear and I said,
"baby, I'm with you, and I'm

1513
00:41:11,536 --> 00:41:11,901
whispered in his ear and I said,
"baby, I'm with you, and I'm
with you 100%.

1514
00:41:13,404 --> 00:41:14,504
This is not just your church,

1515
00:41:14,638 --> 00:41:16,272
it's our church."

1516
00:41:16,407 --> 00:41:18,508
fast forward to being six years

1517
00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:21,144
in, seven years in, I love my

1518
00:41:21,278 --> 00:41:22,679
church, and it's fine.

1519
00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:24,547
Somehow it's all worked out.

1520
00:41:24,682 --> 00:41:26,049
God has given me the grace to do

1521
00:41:26,183 --> 00:41:28,084
it, and that's kind of been a

1522
00:41:28,219 --> 00:41:28,918
theme for me.

1523
00:41:29,053 --> 00:41:30,587
All that I do, if god opens the

1524
00:41:30,721 --> 00:41:32,055
door, I'll walk through it.

1525
00:41:32,189 --> 00:41:33,189
He'll give me the grace to do

1526
00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:33,490
it.

1527
00:41:33,624 --> 00:41:34,557
I don't know the doors that

1528
00:41:34,692 --> 00:41:35,091
he'll open.

1529
00:41:35,226 --> 00:41:36,192
I don't know the doors that

1530
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:37,427
he'll close, but whatever it is,

1531
00:41:37,561 --> 00:41:38,728
he'll give me the grace to

1532
00:41:38,863 --> 00:41:39,362
handle it.

1533
00:41:39,497 --> 00:41:40,864
He'll give me everything that I

1534
00:41:40,998 --> 00:41:42,265
need to be everything that I

1535
00:41:42,399 --> 00:41:42,499
need.