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[Nic Edwards] You can't
write this stuff.
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It doesn't get
any more strange
or bizarre than this.
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[reporter 1] Police are
treating the deaths
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of Barry and Honey Sherman
as suspicious.
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[reporter 2]
One of the nation's
wealthiest couples found dead
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at their mansion in Toronto.
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[Michael Arntfield]
You don't get to be someone
of Barry Sherman's wealth
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and not make a few enemies
along the way.
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[reporter 3] Police say
this could be the key.
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This individual is a suspect.
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[Michael] This was clearly
done expressively.
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Is this done
as some sort of message?
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Is this done
as some sort of message?
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Or is this done
strictly for some
perverse gratification?
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[Monica Button]
I am just frantic.
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I'm calling everyone
I can think of.
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We have to find Nieko.
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His cell phone ping
heading to Michigan
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and then heading to Tennessee.
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After almost five years
of dead-end leads,
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today police found
the pick-up truck
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Nieko Lisi had been driving
when he disappeared.
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It was just, like,
the wind had been sucked
right out of my sails.
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[siren blaring]
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[narrator reading]
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[narrator] The police are
called to a mansion
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in one of Toronto's
wealthiest neighborhoods.
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What they discover sends
shockwaves across the country.
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[reporter 1] Canadian police
are investigating
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the mysterious death
of one of the nation's
wealthiest couples.
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We turn to that murder mystery
that has gripped Canada.
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We turn to that murder mystery
that has gripped Canada.
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[reporter 2] The Shermans were
found there Friday, strangled.
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CBC News has confirmed
they were found beside
the pool in the basement.
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[reporter 3]
Police are treating
the deaths as suspicious
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and homicide detectives have
taken over the case.
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The memorial will be held
at the International Centre.
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[reporter 4] To hold everyone
who came to say goodbye,
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the prime minister among them.
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Remember this...
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Our parents never left
anyone behind.
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They were taken from us.
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[narrator]
Barry Sherman was born in 1942
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into a Jewish family
in Toronto.
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His father, a partner
in a zipper-making company,
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dies when Barry is
nine years old.
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Barry grew up
as a bookish kid.
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He was gifted
in math and science
from a very early age.
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Was not into sports,
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was quiet, shy, reserved.
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[narrator] A bright teenager,
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at 16 Barry
studies engineering
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at the University of Toronto
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at the University of Toronto
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and completes a PhD
in astrophysics at MIT.
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[Molly Hayes]
He was very driven.
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In his teens he worked
for his uncle who ran
a pharmaceutical company.
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Barry was a workaholic.
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He was invested
in math and science,
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and he learned
the pharmaceutical business
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from his uncle
and he excelled.
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This was also someone
who admitted to having an ego.
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He told a Globe and Mail
reporter that his IQ was 180,
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and that he'd declined
an offer to work for NASA.
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[narrator] By the mid '70s,
Barry owns his own
pharma company
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[narrator] By the mid '70s,
Barry owns his own
pharma company
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with annual sales
ultimately exceeding
$1 billion.
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[Molly] Honey was volunteering
at a a hospital
when she met Barry.
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She was there.
Her mom said it was
a good place to meet a doctor.
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And a friend, a nurse,
had introduced her to Barry.
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A year later
they were married.
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They have four children.
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Three daughters and a son.
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[narrator] Barry's wife Honey
rises to prominence
in Canadian philanthropy,
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serving on the boards
of several charities.
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serving on the boards
of several charities.
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Dancing in the drugstore...
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with Apotex products.
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I think from the moment
we heard whispers
that the Shermans,
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that there was something
involving the Shermans,
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it was very obvious
that it was going
to be a huge deal.
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[narrator] On December 12th,
Honey misses a board meeting
at her hospital foundation
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without notifying
them beforehand.
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This is highly unusual
for her.
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Reached by email, Honey says
I'm dealing with some stuff.
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The next day,
Honey meets Barry at work
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The next day,
Honey meets Barry at work
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to discuss design plans
for a new house
they're constructing.
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She drives home
and Barry leaves
the office a little later.
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It's the last day
the Shermans are seen alive.
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[Molly] So, Barry and Honey
were in the process
of selling their home,
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and it was a real estate agent
who came by the house
on December 15th.
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The Shermans'
real estate agent
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was showing the home
to two prospective buyers.
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They're touring
this big magnificent home
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and now it's time
for the lap pool,
the hot tub area.
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and now it's time
for the lap pool,
the hot tub area.
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And they walk
into this horrific scene
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where they discover
the homeowners have been
killed in this room.
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Barry was seated with his legs
outstretched in front of him.
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One was crossed
over the other.
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His glasses were sitting
on his face untouched.
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[Nic] They had belts tied
around their necks
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hanging from the railing
around the pool.
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They're both almost
in this seated position.
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It's very strange.
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[Michael] The manner
in which the bodies
were discovered
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[Michael] The manner
in which the bodies
were discovered
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is indicative of what's known
as a low hang.
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You're going to stage
a crime scene
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to look like a murder-suicide,
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a very expedited
convenient method
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to use for the offender.
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[narrator] One eerie detail
about the scene,
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the positions of Barry
and Honey's bodies,
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nearly match
those of a sculpture
of human figures
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sitting on speakers
in the basement.
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[Michael] This was
clearly done expressively.
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Is this done
as some sort of message
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that only a handful of people
would understand?
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that only a handful of people
would understand?
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Or is this done strictly for
some perverse gratification
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to further degrade
the victims in death.
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[narrator] After initially
investigating the scene,
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the police can't say
definitively
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if it's a homicide
or murder-suicide.
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[Michael]
The first investigators
on the scene would have
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no doubt been
a little perplexed.
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This was not the type of scene
that they were accustomed
to seeing.
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The cause of death
for both Shermans was
ligature neck compression
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The cause of death
for both Shermans was
ligature neck compression
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with the only presented
options being double suicide,
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homicide-suicide,
or double homicide.
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Now we have to consider
was this murder
or was this suicide.
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And also we have the fact
that there's no forced entry
into the home.
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The fact that there's
no forced entry,
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the offender was known
to the Shermans
and was allowed entry
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or got the drop
on Honey Sherman
when she arrived home
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and essentially
forced his way in.
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and essentially
forced his way in.
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[narrator] The Sherman family
is not convinced
this is a murder-suicide.
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They hire a famous lawyer,
Brian Greenspan, to conduct
a parallel investigation.
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The lawyer assembles
his own team
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of private investigators
and forensic specialists
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and even conducts
a new autopsy.
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The second pathologist hired
to look at the bodies
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determines it's unlikely Barry
or Honey died by suicide.
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Furthermore, the abrasions
found on Barry
and Honey's wrists
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Furthermore, the abrasions
found on Barry
and Honey's wrists
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indicate that they may
have been handcuffed,
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possibly with something
like zip ties.
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The second pathologist was
able to extrapolate
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that the scene
had been staged
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just from the data he was able
to acquire from the autopsies.
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After the second autopsy,
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We realized that we're talking
about a double
homicide investigation.
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[narrator] The police begin
to change their tune.
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I believe in the six weeks
of review of the evidence
that we've attained
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I believe in the six weeks
of review of the evidence
that we've attained
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that they were targeted.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[narrator] Now that the police
are convinced this is
a double murder,
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the question becomes
who would want to kill
Honey and Barry Sherman?
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[Michael] When it comes
to strangulation homicides,
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in the case of the Shermans,
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this is either
something very personal
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or this was something
that needed to be done
with expertise.
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Maybe a combination of both.
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[narrator] One of the first
people police are interested
in speaking with is
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[narrator] One of the first
people police are interested
in speaking with is
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Barry Sherman's cousin,
Kerry Winter.
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Kerry Winter definitely had
motive to kill Barry Sherman.
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He hated the guy.
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Kerry and Barry at some point
were very close.
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So much so that at one point
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Barry was almost like
a father figure
to Kerry Winter.
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In his younger years,
Barry had actually been quite
supportive of him financially.
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You know, supporting
his different ventures.
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Many, most of them, failed.
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But at some point
he discovers these documents
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that he said show
that he was owed a share
of Barry's fortune.
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[narrator]
Their relationship sours
when Kerry Winter finds out
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that Barry allegedly lied
to him about an agreement
Barry had with Kerry's dad.
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[Nic] Kerry Winter's father
owns Empire Laboratories.
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Kerry's father passes
away unexpectedly.
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At some point Barry takes
over Empire Laboratories.
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And at this time,
Barry Sherman fails
to mention to his cousins
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that they have the opportunity
to purchase some
of their father's company.
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that they have the opportunity
to purchase some
of their father's company.
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From there Barry Sherman goes
on to great success
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with his new company Apotex.
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Kerry Winter believes
that he is due money
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or a portion
of Barry's company
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based off of his father's
success in creating
Empire Laboratories.
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And so this led to a lawsuit
that went on for a decade.
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[Nic] A lawsuit
from Kerry Winter
backfires in his face.
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Three short months before
the Shermans are killed,
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Three short months before
the Shermans are killed,
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a judge rules
against Kerry Winter.
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So much so that the judge
also determines
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that Kerry Winter is
now due to pay $300,000
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back to Barry Sherman
in legal fees.
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[narrator] Kerry Winter is
livid and in a strange twist
shortly after the murders,
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he makes
a remarkable admission
to Canada's public broadcaster
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about a conversation he had
with Barry years earlier.
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[Kerry Winter] He said,
"Kerry, I want you
to do me a favor."
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[Kerry Winter] He said,
"Kerry, I want you
to do me a favor."
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And I said,
"What's that, Barry?"
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He said, "I want you
to whack my wife."
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And I said, "You're serious?
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You're asking me to arrange
whacking your wife?"
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He said, "Yeah, I hate her."
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[narrator] Toronto police
interview Kerry Winter as part
of their investigation.
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[Molly] He was very vocal
about his dislike for Barry.
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He said he didn't do it,
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but he also said
he could have and would have.
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The stories he had were
far-fetched to say the least.
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I don't believe for a minute
that Kerry Winter had
either direct involvement
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or any direct knowledge
of these murders.
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[narrator] Losing the lawsuit
gave Kerry motive,
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but it turns out he wasn't
the only one suing Barry,
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but it turns out he wasn't
the only one suing Barry,
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and police quickly realize
they have their hands full.
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Barry Sherman was
in the generic
pharma business,
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and there's a lot of lawsuits
that come with that industry.
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On one side
you have Big Pharma
protecting their patents.
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On the other side you have
the generic knock-offs
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fighting each other
for market share.
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All to say the generic
drug business is
a pretty cutthroat industry,
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and Barry had
quite the reputation.
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He was in dozens
of legal fights at a time.
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He was in dozens
of legal fights at a time.
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Rival companies,
rival litigants
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in his multiplicity
of court filings.
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You don't get to be someone
of Barry Sherman's wealth
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and not make a few enemies
along the way.
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[narrator] Even though
they deny it,
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it's been reported
that a German
pharmaceutical company
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allegedly hired
private investigators
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to try and recruit
Barry's employees
as informants.
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Barry was even convinced
that they tried to plant
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illegal drugs in his car
to frame him.
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illegal drugs in his car
to frame him.
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You have to wonder,
would one of these companies
take this a little too far?
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[narrator] Barry was convinced
his pharma business rivals
were out to get him.
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A spokesperson
from his company once told
The New York Times
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Barry was receiving
death threats.
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Barry was
a brilliant businessman,
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but he was also known
to enter into other
more questionable ventures.
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Barry Sherman found himself
involved with scam artists,
with fraudsters.
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Barry Sherman found himself
involved with scam artists,
with fraudsters.
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At one point he invests
in this yacht company.
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The problem is
there were no yachts.
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It was only a shell company.
It was a scam.
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[narrator] Barry invests
in dozens of companies
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including a failed casino bid,
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a money-losing gold mine
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and a company that deals
in loose diamonds
that files for bankruptcy.
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We know of all these stories.
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These people have
come out of the woodwork.
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So, this is a huge challenge
for investigators.
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So, this is a huge challenge
for investigators.
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These are all potential
persons of interest,
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who need to be eliminated,
and if they can't
be eliminated,
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get elevated
to the level of suspect.
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[Nic] The problem is
the people that he got
involved with,
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he didn't vet these people.
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He was naive.
He wasn't street smart.
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[narrator] Barry is
connected to another
convicted fraudster.
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Shaun Rootenberg allegedly
took Barry's money to invest
in an online trivia game.
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He isn't a suspect
for the murders,
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but the timing of the deal
draws suspicion.
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but the timing of the deal
draws suspicion.
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[Nic] Just days before
Barry Sherman is killed,
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he instructs his attorneys
to file an aggressive motion
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for a lawsuit
against Shaun Rootenberg.
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[Michael] In Barry's case
there was a lot
of eccentric characters
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sort of on the fringes
of his life at any given time
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that normally people
of his status would have
nothing to do with.
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[narrator] One person
police are very interested
in speaking with is
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Barry's best friend,
Frank D'Angelo.
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Frank D'Angelo is
another big character
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Frank D'Angelo is
another big character
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that emerged
in this story early on.
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Frank loved Barry.
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He described him as like
a brother to him.
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Frank D'Angelo is a guy
that looks like he just got
off the set of The Sopranos.
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He's an entrepreneur
in the food
and beverage industry.
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D'Angelo's even got
a restaurant called
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the Forget About It
Supper Club.
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There's such a contrast
between them because Barry is,
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you know,
this sort of introverted
serious workaholic
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and Frank is this
larger than life character.
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And we know
that Barry bankrolled
a lot of Frank's ventures.
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And we know
that Barry bankrolled
a lot of Frank's ventures.
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[narrator] Frank convinces
Barry to invest
in the film industry,
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including a gangster vampire
movie starring James Caan
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and Frank
as the main character.
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[Frank D'Angelo]
I swore to God that I would
never tell anybody.
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[narrator] Barry also partners
with Frank in the beverage
and brewery business.
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[Nic] The company ends up
losing $100 million
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and goes belly up
and files for bankruptcy.
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[narrator] Barry keeps
betting on Frank.
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[narrator] Barry keeps
betting on Frank.
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He finances more of his films,
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most of them starring Frank.
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One person who isn't impressed
with Frank is Barry's son.
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Barry Sherman's son, Jonathon,
he's this successful guy.
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Educated from Columbia,
his father is
investing in him.
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However, Jonathon wants
to know why is
my father giving
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so much money to this guy
and his weird ideas?
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Why wouldn't he be
investing in me?
I'm his son.
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Why wouldn't he be
investing in me?
I'm his son.
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Why wouldn't he be investing
in our family, our legacy?
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A lot of the reporting
suggests that Jonathon was
quite bothered
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by his father's relationship,
particularly his business
relationship with this guy.
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[narrator] In a heated
email exchange with his father
in the spring of 2015,
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Jonathon questions
the logic of spending
so much money on Frank.
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Barry disagrees and ends
the conversation
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by sending Jonathon a trailer
to one of Frank's films
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by sending Jonathon a trailer
to one of Frank's films
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and says actors in Hollywood
clearly take him seriously.
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[Nic] We need to look
at this through the lens
of their friendship.
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And Barry's not going
to listen to his son.
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Frank's his buddy.
He listens to Frank.
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[narrator] The Toronto Star
reports that Jonathon wanted
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more money
for his own ventures
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and less with Frank D'Angelo.
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In an email to his sisters,
Jonathon even suggests
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their father's actions
were jeopardizing
their inheritance.
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their father's actions
were jeopardizing
their inheritance.
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After the Shermans die,
Frank is devastated.
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But Jonathon is adamant
that he not attend
any of the services.
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[narrator] With Barry gone,
Frank had a lot to lose.
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He's not considered a suspect.
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Police question him anyway
and are tight-lipped
about the investigation.
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But in the Sherman's
social circles,
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speculation swirls
over who could be
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the real focus
of the investigation.
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the real focus
of the investigation.
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We've had to navigate
through a terrifying maze
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of non-information
and unfounded speculation.
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A lingering question
in this case for investigators
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is if Barry Sherman was
the primary target,
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why also kill Honey?
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Who gains
from Honey Sherman's death
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in addition
to Barry Sherman's?
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[narrator]
With Honey deceased,
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Barry's will stipulates that
the entire Sherman fortune is
left to their four children.
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Barry's will stipulates that
the entire Sherman fortune is
left to their four children.
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The family tries
to have the details
of the will sealed,
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but police have made it known
the contents of the will are
part of their investigation.
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I think it's fair to say
that it would be
a sensible investigative move
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to look at who stood
to inherit from somebody
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who really did have
so much money.
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[narrator]
When a reporter asks
the Sherman's son Jonathon
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why he thinks
detectives are including
the will in their case,
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Jonathon simply replies,
"I would hope they have looked
at all of the family."
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Jonathon simply replies,
"I would hope they have looked
at all of the family."
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According to reports,
Jonathon admits
that Barry asked him
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to repay $50 million
two weeks before the murders,
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and then says
he's not going to kill his dad
because he needs $50 million.
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It's also reported
that in the year leading
up to his death,
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Barry was working on plans
to give away a large part
of his wealth to charity.
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In other words,
not to his kids.
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Police investigators have
publicly indicated
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Police investigators have
publicly indicated
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that they have
a working theory in this case.
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That said, this is
not an inquiry
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where you would want
to proceed to naming
a suspect,
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much less making an arrest,
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until you had absolutely
all your ducks in a row.
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This is a case that if
and when it goes to litigation
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will be an absolute circus.
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[narrator] Four years go by
and after hundreds
of search warrants,
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interviews and no suspects,
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the case seems stalled.
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the case seems stalled.
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But then out of nowhere,
the police make
a surprise announcement.
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[reporter 1]
This is the person
detectives now say is wanted
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for the murders of Honey
and Barry Sherman.
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[reporter 2] Police say
this 22-second video clip
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could be the key to solve
a four-year-old double murder.
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This individual is a suspect.
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[narrator] December 2021,
four years after the murders,
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police release a video
of a suspect walking
near the Sherman property.
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[Molly] It shows a man walking
on the Sherman's street
that night.
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It's from a security camera
on a neighboring house.
It's not from their own.
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They didn't have
any security cameras
despite their wealth.
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[narrator] The media asks
why the police waited
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four years
to release the video.
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One school of thought is that
police held back
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this particular
piece of evidence
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this particular
piece of evidence
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hoping to identify
this person on their own.
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So, police had collected
four terabytes
of video footage in this case
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and that almost
every single person they saw,
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they were able
to identify and rule out.
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But this man was
the one person that they said
they could not account for.
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That there was something
suspicious about why
he was there that night.
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[narrator]
If you look closely,
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there's a small detail
that might be
an important clue.
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What police point out
in particular is that he has
this very specific gait.
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What police point out
in particular is that he has
this very specific gait.
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[narrator] An abnormal stride
or limp can be very telling.
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Michael Arntfield,
who teaches criminology,
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analyzes the video
and informs the police
of an intriguing theory.
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I actually received a tip
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from a very experienced
physiotherapist who works
with veterans and amputees.
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She felt that
this was actually
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a very seasoned amputee
walking with a prosthetic leg.
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I subsequently insured
through my contacts
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that this information
was passed on
to investigators.
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that this information
was passed on
to investigators.
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The suspect sounds like
the bad guy from The Fugitive.
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You can't write this stuff.
It doesn't get anymore
strange or bizarre than this.
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Can one imagine
that after everything
that has gone in this case,
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all the twist and turns,
and characters,
and conjecture,
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that you also have
a one-legged man
at the end?
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It's uncanny.
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[narrator] Police continue
to say very little
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regarding their investigation.
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And while the media
and the public
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And while the media
and the public
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have their opinions
about the case,
one thing is certain,
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whoever killed the Shermans
is still a mystery.
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There's no end
of theories out there.
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There's no end
to the amount of
potential suspects
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that one could be looking at.
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[Michael]
This really, sort of, is
a Shakespearean drama
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with a bunch of characters
and interpretations,
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and people forget
about the actual crime.
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This case was so high profile
from the beginning,
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and Prime Minister
Justin Trudeau
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and Prime Minister
Justin Trudeau
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was at the memorial service
for this family.
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So, as much as it's become
this sort of larger than life
mystery to solve,
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I think it's also
very politically charged,
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and there's a lot of pressure
on Toronto police
to solve this.
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These were billionaires,
but they were also parents,
and grandparents,
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and, you know,
they had an active
social life.
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One of the things
that was reported
so much in the beginning
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was that Honey
had been emailing
with her friends,
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looking to setup
a dinner party
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when they got to Florida
that winter.
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when they got to Florida
that winter.
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So Honey, in particular,
was very generous,
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and they donated
tens of millions of dollars
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to universities,
health care centers.
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And as the daughter
of Holocaust survivors,
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Jewish charities
were particularly close
to her heart.
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[narrator] In September 2022,
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the Sherman family
sells Barry's company, Apotex,
to an American firm
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for an undisclosed
amount of money.
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There's a $10 million reward
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for information
leading to an arrest
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for information
leading to an arrest
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for the murders
of Barry and Honey Sherman.
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It's a case
that started in New York
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00:22:40,967 --> 00:22:43,066
and has ties
to middle Tennessee.
461
00:22:43,066 --> 00:22:47,100
It involves a young man
missing for nearly 10 years
who was last seen in Franklin.
462
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:51,000
[reporter]
Nieko Lisi was last seen
on October 1st, 2011
463
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,500
on Flintlock Drive.
464
00:22:52,533 --> 00:22:54,734
This week,
the New York State Police
465
00:22:54,734 --> 00:22:56,500
came to town
in search of new leads
466
00:22:56,533 --> 00:22:58,500
in the cold case
of Nieko Lisi,
467
00:22:58,533 --> 00:23:00,266
and you won't believe
what they found.
468
00:23:00,266 --> 00:23:02,808
I just never believed
that something so crappy
would happen here.
469
00:23:02,808 --> 00:23:05,166
I just never believed
that something so crappy
would happen here.
470
00:23:05,166 --> 00:23:09,100
How can someone
just disappear?
They don't.
471
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:13,367
Ten years later,
it's still just as hard
as that first year.
472
00:23:13,367 --> 00:23:17,367
I remember going to the car
and just sitting in my car,
just crying.
473
00:23:17,367 --> 00:23:21,367
No one is helping me.
No one is helping my son.
474
00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:29,367
[narrator] Born in 1993,
475
00:23:29,367 --> 00:23:32,808
Nieko Lisi grows up
in the small town of Addison
in Upstate New York.
476
00:23:32,808 --> 00:23:34,800
Nieko Lisi grows up
in the small town of Addison
in Upstate New York.
477
00:23:36,166 --> 00:23:38,000
[Monica Button]
Nieko's dad and I
were married,
478
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,734
and we had three children.
479
00:23:39,734 --> 00:23:44,467
We divorced
when the boys were
two and three.
480
00:23:44,467 --> 00:23:46,900
I was pregnant
with my daughter.
481
00:23:46,967 --> 00:23:50,900
Nieko as a brother
was very tough,
482
00:23:50,967 --> 00:23:54,100
protective, fun, adventurous.
483
00:23:55,867 --> 00:24:00,800
Nieko was an awesome kid.
He was funny, friendly.
484
00:24:00,867 --> 00:24:02,808
He was my special one,
you know?
485
00:24:02,808 --> 00:24:03,367
He was my special one,
you know?
486
00:24:03,367 --> 00:24:08,066
Nieko was
a very rambunctious child.
487
00:24:08,066 --> 00:24:14,066
He loved sports, baseball,
basketball, soccer, wrestling.
488
00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:16,533
When he was a little bit older
489
00:24:16,533 --> 00:24:20,533
they moved from
Addison to Jasper,
which is even smaller.
490
00:24:20,533 --> 00:24:22,533
And everybody in the county
knew Nieko.
491
00:24:23,867 --> 00:24:27,500
[narrator]
Like a lot of teens,
Nieko has a rebellious streak.
492
00:24:28,533 --> 00:24:31,867
He didn't like rules.
He didn't like authority.
493
00:24:31,867 --> 00:24:32,808
He stuck up for
[voice shaking] the underdog.
494
00:24:32,808 --> 00:24:35,600
He stuck up for
[voice shaking] the underdog.
495
00:24:39,367 --> 00:24:41,734
And sometimes
that got him in trouble.
496
00:24:44,867 --> 00:24:46,634
[narrator] In September, 2011,
497
00:24:46,634 --> 00:24:50,367
18-year-old Nieko
is working odd jobs
for the family
498
00:24:50,367 --> 00:24:52,867
while preparing
to apply to the military.
499
00:24:53,734 --> 00:24:56,000
His big thing
was the Navy SEALs.
500
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,734
He wanted to be a Navy SEAL
like his dad.
501
00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:02,808
[Kerrigan Lisi]
He was training
with my father.
502
00:25:02,808 --> 00:25:03,100
[Kerrigan Lisi]
He was training
with my father.
503
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:04,967
He would a lot of workouts.
504
00:25:04,967 --> 00:25:07,100
And he was helping
my step father a lot
505
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:09,734
with some different
apartment buildings
that we own.
506
00:25:12,634 --> 00:25:16,166
[narrator] Friday,
September 30th, 2011.
507
00:25:16,166 --> 00:25:18,734
In the evening,
Nieko's mom, Monica,
508
00:25:18,734 --> 00:25:20,734
receives a call
from her brother.
509
00:25:20,734 --> 00:25:25,166
He says that Nieko
and another young man
named Robbie Knight
510
00:25:25,266 --> 00:25:29,600
swung by his house in Addison
around 2:00 p.m. that day.
511
00:25:29,634 --> 00:25:32,367
Monica said, "Robbie Knight?
They're not even friends.
512
00:25:32,467 --> 00:25:32,808
What were they
doing together?"
513
00:25:32,808 --> 00:25:34,367
What were they
doing together?"
514
00:25:34,967 --> 00:25:36,533
"Well", my brother said,
515
00:25:36,533 --> 00:25:39,967
"Nieko told me that
they were going camping
in Buffalo."
516
00:25:39,967 --> 00:25:41,900
And I said,
"What do you mean
they're going camping?"
517
00:25:41,967 --> 00:25:43,333
It's cold out.
518
00:25:44,166 --> 00:25:45,967
He said,
"Well, they've met
some girls on the internet
519
00:25:45,967 --> 00:25:49,100
and they're going to Buffalo
to go camping."
520
00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:52,734
I tried to call Nieko's phone,
he wouldn't answer.
521
00:25:52,734 --> 00:25:57,266
And I text him, and I said,
"I know you were here today
522
00:25:57,266 --> 00:26:00,533
because your sneakers are gone
and your bedroom door is open.
523
00:26:01,367 --> 00:26:02,808
What else did you take?"
524
00:26:02,808 --> 00:26:03,000
What else did you take?"
525
00:26:03,066 --> 00:26:07,734
And I got a text back,
and it said, "Clothes, duh."
526
00:26:07,734 --> 00:26:13,266
And I just thought,
[sighs in exasperation]
"Now what is he up to?"
527
00:26:14,533 --> 00:26:16,700
[narrator]
Nieko's uncle also mentions
528
00:26:16,734 --> 00:26:18,700
that Robbie
was driving a truck
529
00:26:18,734 --> 00:26:22,000
that he said belongs
to his grandfather.
530
00:26:22,066 --> 00:26:23,634
[Monica]
Saturday morning,
I went to work.
531
00:26:23,634 --> 00:26:27,000
My sister
worked with me at that time.
We were both hairdressers.
532
00:26:27,066 --> 00:26:29,066
The first customers
of the day came in.
533
00:26:29,066 --> 00:26:32,808
The woman said to my sister,
"Did you guys hear about
the stolen truck from town?"
534
00:26:32,808 --> 00:26:35,000
The woman said to my sister,
"Did you guys hear about
the stolen truck from town?"
535
00:26:35,066 --> 00:26:39,867
And I'm reading this article,
and I called my brother,
536
00:26:39,867 --> 00:26:42,967
and I said,
"When Nieko was at
your house yesterday
537
00:26:42,967 --> 00:26:44,734
what kind of vehicle
were those boys in?"
538
00:26:45,867 --> 00:26:48,000
And he starts
describing this truck
539
00:26:48,066 --> 00:26:49,533
that I'm reading about
in the paper.
540
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:55,100
[narrator] Monica is unable
to reach Nieko that morning.
541
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:58,500
She calls
Robbie's grandparents
in the afternoon
542
00:26:58,533 --> 00:27:00,900
to see if they have
any information
543
00:27:00,967 --> 00:27:02,808
about Nieko
and Robbie's whereabouts.
544
00:27:02,808 --> 00:27:03,600
about Nieko
and Robbie's whereabouts.
545
00:27:03,634 --> 00:27:06,100
One of the first questions
that I had asked,
546
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:08,066
"Does Robbie have your truck?"
547
00:27:08,066 --> 00:27:11,266
And Robbie's grandmother said,
"We don't have a truck."
548
00:27:11,266 --> 00:27:13,467
At that point I knew
549
00:27:13,467 --> 00:27:18,367
that my son and Robbie Knight
were in this stolen truck.
550
00:27:18,467 --> 00:27:21,367
[Rachael Davis]
The grandmother said
that Robbie appeared
551
00:27:21,367 --> 00:27:25,066
at his parents' house
in Romulus, Michigan,
that morning.
552
00:27:25,066 --> 00:27:30,266
And Robbie's grandmother said,
"Well, nobody saw Nieko.
Nieko wasn't with him."
553
00:27:30,266 --> 00:27:32,367
I am just frantic.
554
00:27:32,367 --> 00:27:32,808
I am calling my mom,
my brother, my sister,
my ex-husband.
555
00:27:32,808 --> 00:27:36,734
I am calling my mom,
my brother, my sister,
my ex-husband.
556
00:27:36,734 --> 00:27:41,367
I am calling
everyone I can think of.
We have to find Nieko.
557
00:27:41,367 --> 00:27:45,166
[Rachael]
My mom did talk to him,
or we thought it was him.
558
00:27:45,266 --> 00:27:47,266
It was about five o'clock
in the afternoon,
559
00:27:47,266 --> 00:27:50,967
and the person that was
on the phone said,
560
00:27:50,967 --> 00:27:53,533
"No, no,
I can't talk right now.
I'll call you right back."
561
00:27:55,066 --> 00:27:56,734
And that was
the end of contact with Nieko.
562
00:28:00,166 --> 00:28:01,634
-[phone rings]
-[Monica] I call
the state police.
563
00:28:01,634 --> 00:28:04,266
I said, "I think my son
might have something to do
564
00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:06,900
with this stolen truck
that I'm reading about
in the paper."
565
00:28:06,967 --> 00:28:08,634
"Ma'am, you're gonna have
to call back Monday
566
00:28:08,634 --> 00:28:10,266
to talk to an investigator."
567
00:28:10,266 --> 00:28:13,367
I'm like,
"Something is going on
with my son.
568
00:28:13,467 --> 00:28:16,166
Someone needs
to look for my son."
569
00:28:16,166 --> 00:28:20,634
[narrator] Over the weekend,
Nieko's family accesses
his phone records.
570
00:28:22,166 --> 00:28:24,266
[Kerrigan]
As his cell phone pinged
in his travels,
571
00:28:24,266 --> 00:28:27,467
we found that it went
to various locations
in New York,
572
00:28:27,467 --> 00:28:28,968
before heading to Michigan,
and then heading to Tennessee.
573
00:28:28,968 --> 00:28:34,100
before heading to Michigan,
and then heading to Tennessee.
574
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:40,000
[narrator] Nieko's cellphone
pings for the last time
at 4:05 p.m. on October 1st,
575
00:28:40,066 --> 00:28:42,800
on Flintlock Drive
in Franklin, Tennessee.
576
00:28:42,867 --> 00:28:46,000
[Alex Denis]
It's about 30 minutes
south of Nashville.
577
00:28:46,066 --> 00:28:48,367
There are some undercurrents
in the community,
578
00:28:48,367 --> 00:28:49,367
just based on wealth,
579
00:28:49,467 --> 00:28:51,266
that people don't like
to talk about
580
00:28:51,367 --> 00:28:52,500
all their secrets.
581
00:28:52,533 --> 00:28:54,000
I think it's like that
in a lot of small towns.
582
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,900
[narrator]
Nieko spent the summer of 2009
583
00:28:56,967 --> 00:28:58,968
and some of his junior year
of high school
584
00:28:58,968 --> 00:28:59,266
and some of his junior year
of high school
585
00:28:59,367 --> 00:29:02,634
living in Franklin
with an aunt and uncle,
586
00:29:02,634 --> 00:29:06,100
but they say
they haven't seen Nieko
at all.
587
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:10,066
Monday, October 3rd.
588
00:29:10,066 --> 00:29:14,800
Nieko's mom, Monica,
receives something startling
in the mail.
589
00:29:14,867 --> 00:29:16,800
[Monica] There's a letter
addressed to Nieko.
590
00:29:16,867 --> 00:29:19,367
I open it up
and it was his license.
591
00:29:20,367 --> 00:29:22,266
And it had a note attached
that said,
592
00:29:22,266 --> 00:29:25,367
"I found this on the ground.
Thought you might need it."
593
00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:28,968
[narrator] The letter says
his license was found
in Hornell,
594
00:29:28,968 --> 00:29:30,634
[narrator] The letter says
his license was found
in Hornell,
595
00:29:30,634 --> 00:29:33,166
a small town
in Upstate New York
596
00:29:33,166 --> 00:29:36,900
half an hour north
of Nieko's home in Jasper.
597
00:29:36,967 --> 00:29:40,634
The following day,
Monica's husband tracks down
a phone number
598
00:29:40,634 --> 00:29:45,266
for the father of Robbie,
with whom Nieko was last seen.
599
00:29:45,367 --> 00:29:48,000
[Monica] Robbie's dad
answered the phone
and he said,
600
00:29:48,066 --> 00:29:51,166
"Well, Robbie's with
the Michigan State Police
right now.
601
00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:53,634
When he comes home
I'll have him call you."
602
00:29:53,634 --> 00:29:55,367
When Robbie Knight
was questioned
603
00:29:55,367 --> 00:29:57,066
by law enforcement in Michigan
604
00:29:57,066 --> 00:29:58,968
he had some sort
of psychiatric episode
605
00:29:58,968 --> 00:30:01,900
he had some sort
of psychiatric episode
606
00:30:01,967 --> 00:30:07,166
and he was taken
to a psychiatric hospital
for evaluation.
607
00:30:07,266 --> 00:30:11,266
A few days later,
I was on Facebook
608
00:30:11,266 --> 00:30:14,634
and I noticed
that Robbie had posted,
609
00:30:14,634 --> 00:30:17,700
and it said,
"Just got out the hospital.
610
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:19,900
Show me some love."
611
00:30:19,967 --> 00:30:21,100
[telephone rings]
612
00:30:21,734 --> 00:30:23,000
[narrator] The next day,
613
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,100
Monica learns
some shocking news
from her brother-in-law.
614
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:28,968
He said, "Monica,
Robbie Knight is dead."
615
00:30:28,968 --> 00:30:30,367
He said, "Monica,
Robbie Knight is dead."
616
00:30:30,467 --> 00:30:32,533
And I said,
"What do you mean, he's dead?"
617
00:30:32,533 --> 00:30:36,867
And he said,
"One of my coworkers told me
618
00:30:36,867 --> 00:30:40,000
that they spoke
with Robbie's grandparents
this morning,
619
00:30:40,066 --> 00:30:43,266
and apparently
Robbie died last night."
620
00:30:43,367 --> 00:30:48,367
He died
of an apparent overdose
of prescription medication.
621
00:30:48,467 --> 00:30:53,867
It was just, like,
the wind had been sucked
right out of my sails.
622
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,467
I had sympathy for his family,
623
00:30:57,467 --> 00:30:58,968
but, as Nieko's aunt,
624
00:30:58,968 --> 00:30:59,700
but, as Nieko's aunt,
625
00:30:59,734 --> 00:31:06,266
I was more worried about
would we ever, ever
find out what happened to him?
626
00:31:06,266 --> 00:31:11,533
As far as we knew,
Robbie was the last link
to Nieko.
627
00:31:11,533 --> 00:31:14,100
[narrator]
Monica combs through
Nieko's call log
628
00:31:14,166 --> 00:31:16,533
and reaches out
to everyone in Tennessee
629
00:31:16,533 --> 00:31:20,533
that he had
been in contact with
prior to his disappearance.
630
00:31:20,533 --> 00:31:24,166
On October 15th,
she receives a promising lead
631
00:31:24,166 --> 00:31:27,634
from an old classmate
of Nieko's.
632
00:31:27,634 --> 00:31:28,968
One young man called back
and said that Nieko had been
at his house on October 1st
633
00:31:28,968 --> 00:31:33,533
One young man called back
and said that Nieko had been
at his house on October 1st
634
00:31:33,533 --> 00:31:34,467
and spent the night.
635
00:31:34,467 --> 00:31:35,700
The young man said
636
00:31:35,734 --> 00:31:38,367
that the next day
they went to play soccer,
637
00:31:38,467 --> 00:31:42,500
and then Nieko disappeared
and he didn't know
where he went.
638
00:31:43,634 --> 00:31:45,266
I immediately
called the police.
639
00:31:46,634 --> 00:31:50,367
The investigator called him,
and he said,
640
00:31:50,367 --> 00:31:54,967
"I don't know who you are.
I'm not comfortable
speaking with you."
641
00:31:54,967 --> 00:31:56,533
And that was the end
of the phone call.
642
00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:58,968
I was beside myself.
643
00:31:58,968 --> 00:31:59,634
I was beside myself.
644
00:31:59,634 --> 00:32:02,500
We have a person that says
that Nieko was at his house.
645
00:32:02,533 --> 00:32:05,367
Why wouldn't you do
something about that?
646
00:32:06,166 --> 00:32:07,266
[narrator] The number of calls
647
00:32:07,367 --> 00:32:09,367
between Nieko
and this young man
648
00:32:09,367 --> 00:32:13,266
raises serious red flags
for Monica.
649
00:32:13,367 --> 00:32:15,867
From the time
Nieko left New York,
and went to Michigan,
650
00:32:15,867 --> 00:32:18,867
and on his way to Tennessee
he called that boy 36 times.
651
00:32:18,867 --> 00:32:21,066
So what were
they talking about
on the phone
652
00:32:21,066 --> 00:32:24,166
is my question
that has never been answered.
653
00:32:24,166 --> 00:32:28,467
Why an individual needs
to be called 36 times
654
00:32:28,467 --> 00:32:28,968
and everyone else
is being ignored,
655
00:32:28,968 --> 00:32:31,467
and everyone else
is being ignored,
656
00:32:31,467 --> 00:32:36,266
or no other contacts
are being reached out,
is very odd to me.
657
00:32:38,867 --> 00:32:43,266
[narrator] Months pass
with little movement
in the case.
658
00:32:43,266 --> 00:32:49,166
Then, in March, 2012,
Monica, her sister Rachael,
and a friend head to Tennessee
659
00:32:49,266 --> 00:32:51,367
to try and get
more information
660
00:32:51,367 --> 00:32:55,266
from the young man
who said Nieko stayed
at his house.
661
00:32:55,266 --> 00:32:58,968
Whenever I would ask him
anything about Nieko
the father would interject.
662
00:32:58,968 --> 00:33:01,166
Whenever I would ask him
anything about Nieko
the father would interject.
663
00:33:01,266 --> 00:33:04,266
The boy hardly said anything.
664
00:33:04,266 --> 00:33:08,266
[narrator] Monica says that
from the initial phone call
to the in-person meeting
665
00:33:08,266 --> 00:33:12,166
she received
three different stories
from the young man
666
00:33:12,266 --> 00:33:14,600
about how Nieko arrived
at his house.
667
00:33:14,634 --> 00:33:19,266
"Nieko got dropped off,
I picked Nieko up
two blocks from here,
668
00:33:19,266 --> 00:33:21,533
Nieko just came
walking up to the house."
669
00:33:22,467 --> 00:33:25,533
And I asked
was Nieko with anyone?
670
00:33:25,533 --> 00:33:28,867
Well, that was just
not discussed.
671
00:33:28,867 --> 00:33:28,968
It was skipped over
and we'd move on
to something else.
672
00:33:28,968 --> 00:33:31,467
It was skipped over
and we'd move on
to something else.
673
00:33:31,467 --> 00:33:37,533
[narrator] Monica soon learns
a curious detail about
the timeline of events.
674
00:33:37,533 --> 00:33:41,500
The young man sent Nieko
a money order for $90.
675
00:33:41,533 --> 00:33:46,900
Nieko picked it up in Ohio
seven hours before
his cellphone's final ping
676
00:33:46,967 --> 00:33:49,266
in Franklin, Tennessee.
677
00:33:49,367 --> 00:33:52,467
So, my question was,
"Why did you send him money?"
678
00:33:52,467 --> 00:33:54,266
And the boy never gave
a direct answer.
679
00:33:54,266 --> 00:33:56,000
It was just,
"Nieko needed money."
680
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,266
The boy gave me
a copy of that money order
681
00:33:58,266 --> 00:33:58,968
and I gave it
to the state police.
682
00:33:58,968 --> 00:34:00,266
and I gave it
to the state police.
683
00:34:01,367 --> 00:34:03,266
[narrator]
While they're in Franklin,
684
00:34:03,367 --> 00:34:06,734
the three women
plaster the town
with missing person flyers
685
00:34:06,734 --> 00:34:10,166
and desperately search
for any sign of Nieko.
686
00:34:10,734 --> 00:34:13,100
We were up for days.
687
00:34:13,166 --> 00:34:16,367
I went to homeless shelters,
I went to bus stations.
688
00:34:16,367 --> 00:34:21,166
I was underneath a bridge
[voice shaking]
looking for my son
689
00:34:22,467 --> 00:34:26,266
with hundreds
of homeless people.
690
00:34:26,367 --> 00:34:28,968
We did go and visit
some of the friends
that Nieko had
691
00:34:28,968 --> 00:34:30,634
We did go and visit
some of the friends
that Nieko had
692
00:34:30,634 --> 00:34:34,266
that he kept in touch with
after he had gone to school
down there.
693
00:34:34,266 --> 00:34:37,000
[narrator] None of the friends
have any information to share
694
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,634
about what may have
happened to Nieko
695
00:34:39,634 --> 00:34:43,634
or why he drove to Tennessee
in the first place.
696
00:34:43,634 --> 00:34:46,533
We just go through
the motions,
697
00:34:46,533 --> 00:34:54,166
2012, 2013, 2014,
[sniffs] 2015.
698
00:34:54,166 --> 00:34:57,266
We had went through
five investigators.
699
00:34:57,367 --> 00:34:58,968
Everybody had
different theories.
700
00:34:58,968 --> 00:34:59,166
Everybody had
different theories.
701
00:35:00,367 --> 00:35:03,066
[Rachael]
One of the theories
of where Nieko was
702
00:35:03,066 --> 00:35:05,800
is that he's hiding out
because they stole that truck.
703
00:35:05,867 --> 00:35:08,867
Other teenagers in school
that would come up and tell me
704
00:35:08,867 --> 00:35:12,967
that my brother was chopped up
and found in a ditch.
705
00:35:14,467 --> 00:35:16,166
[Rachael]
There had been a rumor
706
00:35:16,166 --> 00:35:19,700
that Nieko had been
buried inside
of a tractor tire.
707
00:35:19,734 --> 00:35:23,000
We had heard that
he was under a bridge.
708
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000
We went and looked
under this bridge.
709
00:35:25,066 --> 00:35:28,500
We heard he was
along railroad tracks.
We walked the tracks.
710
00:35:28,533 --> 00:35:28,968
I stuck my arm
down woodchuck holes
looking for bones.
711
00:35:28,968 --> 00:35:33,266
I stuck my arm
down woodchuck holes
looking for bones.
712
00:35:34,533 --> 00:35:36,533
[narrator] November, 2015,
713
00:35:36,533 --> 00:35:38,734
the New York State
police detectives
714
00:35:38,734 --> 00:35:40,867
who have been
leading the investigation
715
00:35:40,867 --> 00:35:42,867
travel to Romulus, Michigan
716
00:35:42,867 --> 00:35:46,634
to interview
Robbie Knight's mother
and his brother, Christopher.
717
00:35:46,634 --> 00:35:50,634
They actually did
a search for Nieko out there
718
00:35:50,634 --> 00:35:53,000
with the help of
the Michigan State Police,
719
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,967
but that yielded nothing.
720
00:35:56,166 --> 00:35:58,600
[narrator] Then,
in July, 2016,
721
00:35:58,634 --> 00:35:58,968
a tip leads
to a major discovery
in Nashville, Tennessee.
722
00:35:58,968 --> 00:36:03,266
a tip leads
to a major discovery
in Nashville, Tennessee.
723
00:36:03,266 --> 00:36:06,066
After almost five years
of dead-end leads,
724
00:36:06,066 --> 00:36:08,066
today police
found the pickup truck
725
00:36:08,066 --> 00:36:10,967
Nieko Lisi had been driving
when he disappeared.
726
00:36:15,867 --> 00:36:16,967
[reporter]
They say they found the truck
727
00:36:16,967 --> 00:36:19,367
in a garage of
a Middle Tennessee home.
728
00:36:19,367 --> 00:36:22,166
In just a minute
you'll see that it was
dismantled and stripped down,
729
00:36:22,166 --> 00:36:24,066
which only increases
officers' concerns
730
00:36:24,066 --> 00:36:27,266
that foul play was involved
in Lisi's disappearance.
731
00:36:27,266 --> 00:36:30,700
It was broken down
in different parts
732
00:36:30,734 --> 00:36:34,066
and there were only
certain parts of the truck
that were remaining.
733
00:36:34,066 --> 00:36:36,266
There was evidence collected,
734
00:36:36,266 --> 00:36:40,266
and, of course,
the vehicle itself
was collected.
735
00:36:40,266 --> 00:36:44,266
[Alex] In speaking to police,
we asked, "Why would a truck
be in this condition?"
736
00:36:44,367 --> 00:36:44,839
And they said, "A lot of times
737
00:36:44,839 --> 00:36:45,867
And they said, "A lot of times
738
00:36:45,867 --> 00:36:48,166
it's because you're trying
to cover up a crime."
739
00:36:48,166 --> 00:36:50,500
Now, they couldn't confirm
that something
had happened here,
740
00:36:50,533 --> 00:36:52,634
but they said
that's never a good sign
741
00:36:52,634 --> 00:36:57,166
when you find
a vehicle stripped,
hiding behind a locked door.
742
00:36:58,634 --> 00:37:00,800
[Monica] I can remember
getting the phone call,
743
00:37:00,867 --> 00:37:03,467
and I just felt like
744
00:37:03,467 --> 00:37:06,266
the floor had dropped out
from underneath me.
745
00:37:06,266 --> 00:37:09,533
I did not expect
the police to be calling me
746
00:37:09,533 --> 00:37:11,867
and telling me that
they have located
that vehicle.
747
00:37:13,266 --> 00:37:14,839
I just remember feeling
if someone did that
to that truck
748
00:37:14,839 --> 00:37:17,000
I just remember feeling
if someone did that
to that truck
749
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,800
what in God's name
did they do to my son?
750
00:37:20,867 --> 00:37:23,467
[narrator]
Police haven't
publicly released details
751
00:37:23,467 --> 00:37:27,266
of who owns the property
where the truck was found,
752
00:37:27,367 --> 00:37:29,634
but they say that
there was a connection
753
00:37:29,634 --> 00:37:34,600
between Nieko and the people
who lived there at the time
of his disappearance.
754
00:37:34,634 --> 00:37:38,066
People in Nieko Lisi's circle
from Middle Tennessee
755
00:37:38,066 --> 00:37:40,734
would have been
staying at the house.
756
00:37:42,533 --> 00:37:44,839
[Rachael] We found out
that the owners
of the property
757
00:37:44,839 --> 00:37:46,600
[Rachael] We found out
that the owners
of the property
758
00:37:46,634 --> 00:37:50,734
were people
that my sister had spoken with
759
00:37:50,734 --> 00:37:53,967
in December of 2011,
760
00:37:53,967 --> 00:37:57,367
and they said that,
no, they didn't know
that Nieko was missing,
761
00:37:57,367 --> 00:38:00,700
and if they heard anything
they would call us,
762
00:38:01,734 --> 00:38:04,734
and they offered
their prayers,
763
00:38:04,734 --> 00:38:10,100
and that truck was
in that garage the whole time.
764
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,367
[narrator]
Desperate for any answers
765
00:38:12,367 --> 00:38:14,734
as to what may have happened
to her son,
766
00:38:14,734 --> 00:38:14,839
Monica reaches out
to the original owner
of the truck
767
00:38:14,839 --> 00:38:18,867
Monica reaches out
to the original owner
of the truck
768
00:38:18,867 --> 00:38:20,734
shortly after
it is discovered.
769
00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:25,266
[Monica] He had said,
"When the police
found the truck
770
00:38:25,266 --> 00:38:27,367
they called me
and they asked me
771
00:38:27,367 --> 00:38:29,600
if I'd ever hauled
a dead animal
in the back of that truck."
772
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,100
And he said
they had blood evidence.
773
00:38:35,734 --> 00:38:38,533
The blood evidence
on the truck
that was collected
774
00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:40,166
came back inconclusive.
775
00:38:40,266 --> 00:38:43,367
It was a mixture of male DNA.
776
00:38:43,367 --> 00:38:44,839
In the first few days
after the truck was found,
777
00:38:44,839 --> 00:38:45,734
In the first few days
after the truck was found,
778
00:38:45,734 --> 00:38:51,867
I really, really had faith
that someone else
was gonna call in another tip.
779
00:38:53,467 --> 00:38:56,266
And I thought, "Finally,
after all these years
780
00:38:56,367 --> 00:38:58,634
we're gonna know
what happened."
781
00:38:58,634 --> 00:39:01,166
And that day just never came.
782
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,734
[Nathan Neese] Any time
you work an older case
783
00:39:05,734 --> 00:39:10,266
it's difficult
because memories fade,
witnesses pass away.
784
00:39:10,266 --> 00:39:13,734
When Robbie Knight died
785
00:39:13,734 --> 00:39:14,839
my whole family felt that
he was our last link.
786
00:39:14,839 --> 00:39:19,266
my whole family felt that
he was our last link.
787
00:39:19,266 --> 00:39:22,967
That turned into
a snowball effect
788
00:39:22,967 --> 00:39:25,967
because I believed that
Robbie Knight's dad
had information,
789
00:39:25,967 --> 00:39:29,533
I believed that
his brother, Christopher,
had information.
790
00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:34,266
-[bell dings]
-And then, after Robbie died,
Robbie's dad passed away.
791
00:39:34,266 --> 00:39:38,500
And then, two years later,
his brother passes away.
792
00:39:38,533 --> 00:39:41,100
And then we find out
after the truck was found
793
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,839
that two people
that were involved
in the decimation of the truck
794
00:39:44,839 --> 00:39:45,467
that two people
that were involved
in the decimation of the truck
795
00:39:46,867 --> 00:39:48,166
have also died.
796
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,634
[narrator] November, 2017.
797
00:39:52,634 --> 00:39:57,634
The Tennessee
Bureau of Investigation
takes over Nieko's case.
798
00:39:57,634 --> 00:40:00,367
Special Agent in Charge
Nathan Neese
799
00:40:00,467 --> 00:40:03,467
believes that there are people
still living in the area
800
00:40:03,467 --> 00:40:07,266
who have information
that could progress the case.
801
00:40:07,266 --> 00:40:10,100
He's urging them
to share what they know.
802
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:13,266
This property
had been rented in 2016,
803
00:40:13,266 --> 00:40:14,839
so the renters and the owners
of the property
804
00:40:14,839 --> 00:40:15,967
so the renters and the owners
of the property
805
00:40:15,967 --> 00:40:18,900
would have known
the truck being in the garage,
806
00:40:18,967 --> 00:40:21,266
and we're looking
for that information
807
00:40:21,367 --> 00:40:23,367
if anybody
that can come forward
808
00:40:23,467 --> 00:40:26,500
and tell us
how did the truck get here?
809
00:40:26,533 --> 00:40:30,166
And what was the circumstances
around how the truck got in
810
00:40:30,166 --> 00:40:32,500
the condition
that it was found in 2016?
811
00:40:34,266 --> 00:40:39,467
[narrator] For Nieko's family,
the pain of not knowing
where their loved one is
812
00:40:39,467 --> 00:40:43,100
has only grown deeper
over time.
813
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:44,839
They long for the day
when they'll have answers
about their beloved Nieko.
814
00:40:44,839 --> 00:40:49,367
They long for the day
when they'll have answers
about their beloved Nieko.
815
00:40:49,467 --> 00:40:52,166
[Kerrigan]
I just moved back home
about a year ago,
816
00:40:52,166 --> 00:40:54,367
and moving back home was
probably just as much
817
00:40:54,367 --> 00:40:56,500
as a struggle
as the first few years
818
00:40:56,533 --> 00:40:58,166
because everybody
wanted updates.
819
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:02,634
And it was just really hard
going into the local stores
820
00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:04,700
and seeing
his missing posters still.
821
00:41:05,367 --> 00:41:07,266
I also have two young boys
822
00:41:07,367 --> 00:41:09,467
[voice shaking]
who won't ever get
to meet their uncle.
823
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:14,533
And quite frankly,
I'm not even sure
what to tell them.
824
00:41:16,367 --> 00:41:18,367
I don't ever use
the word closure...
825
00:41:20,467 --> 00:41:22,367
because I think of a book.
826
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:29,467
And you could never
close a book on your child.
827
00:41:30,867 --> 00:41:33,900
Whether he's alive
or whether he's not,
828
00:41:33,967 --> 00:41:39,266
it's still a story
that will go on
for years to come.
829
00:41:39,266 --> 00:41:42,600
So what I look for is
resolution to this event.
830
00:41:44,166 --> 00:41:44,839
[Rachael]
The most important thing,
to me,
831
00:41:44,839 --> 00:41:46,533
[Rachael]
The most important thing,
to me,
832
00:41:46,533 --> 00:41:48,634
is that we can
bring Nieko home
833
00:41:48,634 --> 00:41:50,066
and lay him to rest
834
00:41:50,066 --> 00:41:52,166
so that we have a place
to go and visit him.
835
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:56,266
Part of me
wants justice for Nieko,
836
00:41:57,467 --> 00:42:00,266
but at this point in time
837
00:42:00,367 --> 00:42:02,634
all I care about is
I want him home.