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[Dominique] We were
just excited to be in the sun
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and be in anywhere
around the water.
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That's where we were most
comfortable and most happy.
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[Cory] Two tourists
befriended Max.
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These two men
kind of got closer and closer
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and right away,
I'm thinking, "Oh, no."
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[Yvonne] It was more than
just a jet ski accident.
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Those two men know
what happened to my son.
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[Victoria] I hear
her car pull up.
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[Victoria] I hear
her car pull up.
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She had, like, an old
Volkswagen Rabbit hatchback.
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[Jordan] All of her friends
are sitting there.
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10 minutes later,
she's still not up
in the apartment.
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She was just gone.
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[Jordan] To just be grabbed
and disappear
without a trace...
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I mean,
it's the stuff of nightmares.
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[reporter] The inviting ocean
and sandy beaches of Aruba
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has proven dangerous
for an American
more than once recently.
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has proven dangerous
for an American
more than once recently.
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And it was definitely not
what we closed our eyes
and dreamt it to be.
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[Glenn] I received
this phone call from Yvonne
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and she said,
"I can't find Max."
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That's when I knew.
He's not coming home with us.
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[reporter] A local family
devastated by...
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It ended up being just
a bigger part
of the nightmare.
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It just didn't stop.
It just kept going.
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Having worked cases
involving kids that have
gone missing or abducted,
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I thought, to myself,
"I know where this is going."
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I thought, to myself,
"I know where this is going."
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[reporter] The world knows
about Natalee Holloway,
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the Alabama teenager
who disappeared in
southern Aruba,
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but another young teen
from Brighton, Michigan,
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also vanished without a trace
from the island.
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His name was Max DeVries.
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[Yvonne] Max was really...
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He was really smart.
He was real adventurous.
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He was really smart.
He was real adventurous.
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Everybody liked him.
He had a lot of friends.
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Max was my older brother.
He's two years older than me.
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He was definitely...
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I would say,
one of the popular kids.
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Everybody liked him and...
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kind of gravitated
towards him.
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Oh, I tell you, that kid.
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He was...
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He was not shy.
He was an extrovert.
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He was a good-looking guy.
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He was articulate.
He was funny.
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[Yvonne] To the point of
it was hard to discipline him
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[Yvonne] To the point of
it was hard to discipline him
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because he had
a really good sense of humor.
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[narrator] Max DeVries
grows up in
Brighton, Michigan,
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a safe and affluent suburb
of Detroit.
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[Yvonne] He loved the water.
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He was great with it.
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We had a sailboat
when I was younger,
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so we spent a lot of time
on the sailboat.
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Anything in the water was...
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something that
we all enjoyed together.
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[Yvonne] It was more than
I could have ever dreamt.
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My marriage
and my family life,
we were very blessed.
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My marriage
and my family life,
we were very blessed.
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My dad, he was...
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probably one of the most
genuine loving people
that I've ever met.
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And he made sure to make
all kinds of memories with us
because...
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I think he knew
he didn't have that long
to be with us either.
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[narrator] November, 2002.
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The DeVries family's
idyllic life takes a turn,
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when Max's father, George,
dies suddenly from
a heart attack.
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when Max's father, George,
dies suddenly from
a heart attack.
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[Dominique] And it was
definitely weird
growing up after that
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because nobody can
really relate to what
you just went through.
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So...
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It was really hard and lonely
for a long time.
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It still is.
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It still is.
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[narrator] May, 2004.
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Yvonne takes 14-year-old Max
and 12-year-old Dominique
to Aruba.
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It's a much-needed opportunity
for the family to heal
from George's tragic death.
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It's a much-needed opportunity
for the family to heal
from George's tragic death.
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I think a lot of it was
just to spend time
as a family,
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like, to do something together
since my dad had passed away.
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We were just excited
to be in the sun
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and be in anywhere
around the water.
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That's where we were
most comfortable
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and most happy.
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[Yvonne] We brought
our, I call her, Auntie Pat,
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there to help me keep
an eye on the kids.
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So she came as
a good support...
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and another set of eyes.
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And, you know,
we were just doing
the beachy thing.
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Basically, just doing...
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nothing but staying
at the resort.
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[narrator] A few days
into their trip,
Max is playing pool
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when he's befriended by
a fellow American guest
in his mid-thirties.
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There was an age difference,
but, you know, they were
just playing pool.
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We're on vacation.
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[narrator] The man introduces
Yvonne to his
adoptive father.
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The father, I would say,
was in his fifties
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and I thought that he would
have something in common
to speak with Auntie Pat.
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and I thought that he would
have something in common
to speak with Auntie Pat.
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They said that they were
on vacation there,
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celebrating
their adoption date.
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And the next day...
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we went parasailing.
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We all did that together.
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We came back...
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and then they had asked
to take Max on
the jet ski.
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So the son went jet skiing
with Max the first day.
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They came back
and then we ended up
going to dinner.
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They came back
and then we ended up
going to dinner.
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[narrator] The following day,
the DeVries family is relaxing
by the hotel pool.
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[Yvonne] The father came
with a book and a towel
and then
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he asked Max,
"Would you like to go
jet skiing again?"
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And I said no,
he'd already went jet skiing.
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And he said, "Well, no.
I'd like to, you know,
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pay for Max
to go on the jet ski."
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Max was, "I want to go!"
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You know, he's very excited
to go again.
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You know, he's very excited
to go again.
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So I did tell him he could go.
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[narrator] The jet ski ride is
only supposed to last
about 45 minutes.
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Over an hour passes
and Max and the older man
haven't returned.
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[Yvonne] So I went down
to the beach
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and they were already looking
through their binoculars
for them in the water and...
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I think at that point,
I could just tell.
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[dog barking]
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[Dominique] Even before
I knew anything happened,
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I was just like,
"Something's not right."
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And...
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everything changed after that.
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[narrator] With no sign
of either of them,
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a search and rescue team
is dispatched.
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The father came back
on the recovery boat
and Max did not.
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It was, just, definitely
an instant feeling...
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when I saw...
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the father off the boat
that I was never gonna see
my son again.
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the father off the boat
that I was never gonna see
my son again.
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[narrator] A desperate Yvonne
asks him point-blank,
"What happened?"
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He said that they went
to the sandbar.
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The sandbar, I think,
was about six miles away.
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They got off the jet skis,
turned them off.
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When they went to leave,
they did not start again.
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So Max tied up the jet skis...
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to keep them together.
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"We were holding on.
I heard a thump
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"We were holding on.
I heard a thump
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and then I saw Max
floating away."
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And that was the last
he saw of Max.
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[narrator] As a stunned Yvonne
tries to process the nightmare
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that has descended on
her family...
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the Aruban police
bring in the older man
for questioning.
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[Yvonne] He had scratches
all over his neck, his arms.
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And right away...
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being a girl,
I've been in many fights.
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Those were scratch marks
and I knew that they were.
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[narrator] A horrified
realization dawns on Yvonne.
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[narrator] A horrified
realization dawns on Yvonne.
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She believes the older man
was in a fight.
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But was it with Max?
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The mommy instinct was
just kicking in.
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I had asked them
if they could check underneath
his nails...
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if they could do
a lie detector test.
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And they said, "No.
This is not America.
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We do not do things
like that."
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I didn't even know
what to think of
or how to act.
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Like, how do you even
get help?
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Who do you even begin to ask?
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You're kind of, like,
just stunned and lost.
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You're kind of, like,
just stunned and lost.
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[narrator] The Aruban
authorities launch a vast
air and sea search
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for 14-year-old Max.
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[Yvonne] They said it was
the biggest water search
they'd done at that point
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in Aruba.
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I was definitely hopeful
that they were going
to find him right away,
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but after a couple of hours,
I was like...
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I don't know.
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And then, definitely,
that next day, it was like...
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"It's not gonna happen."
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"It's not gonna happen."
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[Yvonne] And it was definitely
not what we closed our eyes
and dreamt it to be,
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a healing celebration.
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It ended up being just
a bigger part
of the nightmare.
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It didn't stop.
It just kept going.
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And then the Aruban police
deemed that he was
lost at sea...
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that...
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he was a terrible accident
and they gave up the search.
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It was just surreal. You...
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Just kind of going through
the motions to get
back home and...
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Just kind of going through
the motions to get
back home and...
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it was a silent plane ride.
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A silent plane ride.
Nobody could say anything.
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Being above, like,
that entire body of water
and thinking...
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"He could be out there
somewhere and we're leaving."
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But...
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there wasn't anything else
we could do.
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[narrator] Back home
from Aruba without Max,
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a grief-stricken
Yvonne DeVries
and her daughter, Dominique,
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go through the motions
of their new reality.
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I remember
when I got back to school...
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it was like...
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everybody knew this big thing
that had just happened, but...
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I didn't want to talk
about it to anybody
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and nobody wanted
to ask me how I was doing.
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and nobody wanted
to ask me how I was doing.
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They just...
It was a lot stares.
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I mean, what do you do?
Start looking for help?
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Lila Lazarus joins us
with an incredible story
of heartache and hope.
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I was an anchor
and health reporter
in Detroit
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for several decades.
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And I was doing a story,
a health story, at a mall
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and I noticed a woman
and her beautiful daughter
sort of watching me.
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So, at some point,
she came up...
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So, at some point,
she came up...
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and introduced herself
to me and said, "I think
I have a story for you."
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This is a story about
appreciating what you have
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because you never know
how instantly it can
all disappear.
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I felt so bad for her.
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I mean, when does
lightning strike twice?
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To lose your husband
and then to lose
your 14-year-old son.
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[Lila reporting]
Two years ago,
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two days before
their 13th anniversary,
the father, George...
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Oh, yeah.
We can't wait to show
your girlfriend someday.
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-[Yvonne laughing]
-He's got seeds in his hair.
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-[Yvonne laughing]
-He's got seeds in his hair.
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[Lila reporting] ...dies
of a heart attack.
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Now Yvonne was trying
to hold that perfect family
together on her own.
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Yvonne's life was her family.
That was clear to me.
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When I saw her home,
when I saw her family
photo albums, it was clear.
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Family was everything to her,
her husband and her two kids.
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And to lose that structure,
for her, was like losing
her own life.
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Instantly I knew,
"I want to help this woman.
What can I do?"
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A lot of people
wanted to help,
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but they just didn't
even know how to help.
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but they just didn't
even know how to help.
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I needed help from somebody
to see more than just
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a mother's intuition...
and that was really
a struggle,
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trying to find someone
to help guide me.
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[narrator] Yvonne is told
by lawyers that
any investigation
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would be complicated
by maritime law
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and the fact that the incident
took place outside the USA.
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So, you're scrambling.
You're trying to find
people to listen.
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Yvonne was...
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heartbroken, confused...
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heartbroken, confused...
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struggling
and then we hear about
Natalee Holloway.
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[reporter] Mysterious
disappearance of
an American teenager...
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[reporter 2] The promising
young student who vanished
into thin air
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while on
a high-school graduation trip.
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[reporter 3] Police scour
Aruba's beaches for signs
of Natalee Holloway.
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And I don't mean
we just hear about
Natalee Holloway.
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It's wall-to-wall coverage,
24-7.
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I mean, there were weeks
where that's all
you would here.
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It was the open
of every newscast.
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This weekend marks...
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[narrator] As images
of Natalee are projected
on TV screens
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and newspapers
around the world,
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and newspapers
around the world,
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Max's disappearance
a year earlier remains
mostly unreported.
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And I can't even imagine
for Yvonne what that is like,
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for her to listen
over and over again
on the news,
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that the universe
seems to care about
Natalee Holloway.
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And they should!
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But doesn't anyone care
about what happened to Max?
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Her hope was just that
someone, someone would take
an interest
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and pick up the ball.
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[narrator] In August, 2005,
a neighbor throws Yvonne
a lifeline,
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[narrator] In August, 2005,
a neighbor throws Yvonne
a lifeline,
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a local police detective
who might be able to help.
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I got a call from Yvonne
and she asked if she could
come meet with me
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about her son
that went missing in Aruba.
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[narrator] Cory Williams is
a veteran homicide detective.
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When Yvonne calls him,
Detective Williams had
recently taken on
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one of the most notorious
homicide cold cases
in Detroit history.
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In 2005, I became
the lead investigator
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In 2005, I became
the lead investigator
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in the Oakland County
child killing case.
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This is where the youngster
was last seen leaving
at 8:30, Wednesday night.
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[Cory] The crimes occurred
back in 1976 and '77.
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During a 13-month period,
seven children were abducted
off the streets
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in the Detroit area...
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held for several days
and their dead bodies
were eventually dumped
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on the streets.
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And it was
the most horrific case
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in Detroit history
at that time,
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involving the deaths
of children.
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involving the deaths
of children.
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And so, I invited Yvonne
over to my house
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and she brought some documents
she had complied
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from Aruba,
including police reports,
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and we sat and talked
about what had happened
to her son.
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And, right away,
having worked cases
involving pedophiles
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and kids that have
gone missing or abducted,
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the hair on my neck
stood up and I thought,
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to myself,
"I know where this is going."
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to myself,
"I know where this is going."
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[narrator] Detective Williams
reviews the statements
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the older man made
to Aruban police
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about what happened to Max
when they were on
the jet skis.
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And, right away,
I started noticing
glaring discrepancies
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in the older gentleman's
story to the police
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and that's a huge red flag.
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The truth is easy
to tell over and over,
but lies are not.
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The first statement
that the older man gives,
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he said that, at some point,
after drifting for a while,
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he said that, at some point,
after drifting for a while,
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Max let go of his wave-runner
and started swimming to shore.
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The second statement,
three days later,
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he says Max just let go
of his wave-runner
and just floated out to sea.
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And he said
he tried calling him
and he wasn't responding,
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but he could see
that his eyes were open.
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[narrator] Right there,
while Yvonne is at his house,
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Detective Williams
makes a call to run
a background check.
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[Yvonne] Cory comes back
to the kitchen table
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[Yvonne] Cory comes back
to the kitchen table
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and kind of looks at me
for a second.
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He goes, "Everything that
you're feeling is right.
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They're bad men."
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It showed an arrest
in California in 1981
for crimes against children.
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After I find the crimes
against children arrest,
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I then requested
a copy of the police report
from the arrest...
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and, lo and behold...
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the victim in the case
was his adopted son
that he's now travelling with,
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which, again, huge red flag.
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which, again, huge red flag.
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Why would this boy
still be hanging around
this man?
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[narrator] According to
a police record provided by
Detective Williams
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and then
independently verified,
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the younger man,
who was 14 years old
at the time,
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claimed that
his adoptive father
groped him.
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Detective Williams has found
no record of how that case
was adjudicated,
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but he has his own theories.
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The first thing I thought was,
"They're now working together
to target young boys,"
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The first thing I thought was,
"They're now working together
to target young boys,"
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and I believe that's exactly
what happened with Max.
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[narrator] As
Detective Williams digs in
to the statements
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made by the adopted son
to the Aruban police,
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he discovers more
troubling details.
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Some of the inconsistencies
in the younger man's
statement
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to the Aruban authorities
included...
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him telling the Aruban police
that his father had
never been arrested before.
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Well, he was a victim
of his father
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Well, he was a victim
of his father
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when the sheriff's office
put his father in handcuffs
in 1981 for molesting him.
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When he's talking
with the Aruban police,
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volunteers that he's
a heterosexual male
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and has never had
sexual relations
with a man or a boy.
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He just volunteers that.
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[narrator] When Max
and the older guest
first disappear at sea,
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authorities go to the hotel
in search of the adopted son.
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They were knocking on
the son's door
with no response.
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They were knocking on
the son's door
with no response.
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After they bring
the father to shore,
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all of a sudden,
the son shows up
on the shore.
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And Yvonne asks him,
"Where have you been?
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They've been banging on
your room all day."
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And he says he was drunk,
passed out and he didn't hear
the door knock.
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[Cory] So I believe
that the older man...
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took Max out,
but that the younger one
met him out there somewhere...
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so they could do whatever...
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and got rid of him.
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[narrator] Over a year after
her son Max's disappearance
in Aruba,
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Yvonne DeVries' worst fears
are now being realized.
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It just took Cory
a matter of minutes for him
to make that phone call
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and found out that
the father had charges
against him
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for child molestation.
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Why didn't
the Aruban government,
you know, do what he just did
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and just found that out?
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I don't know
why the Aruban police
dropped the ball on that.
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I don't know
why the Aruban police
dropped the ball on that.
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Maybe they just wanted
these guys off their island.
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Maybe they were thinking
about tourism.
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Maybe they just wanted
to wash their hands
of the case
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and accepted
their statements as they were.
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Tourism is
their number one industry.
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So of course they want this
to go away.
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Of course they want to say,
"He fell off his jet ski.
He drowned."
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[Cory] After I started
finding all these red flags
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and reading
these inconsistencies
and lies by these two men,
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and reading
these inconsistencies
and lies by these two men,
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I felt this case needs
to be investigated by someone
in the United States.
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[narrator] Detective Williams
reaches out to a friend
in the FBI.
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[Cory] So, I contacted him,
told him the story.
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He said,
"I agree with you
100%, Cory.
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They're involved
in his disappearance."
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It was because of Mr. Williams
that they ended up opening up
an investigation.
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The FBI has jurisdiction
anywhere in the world
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as long as the victim
and the suspect are
both Americans.
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as long as the victim
and the suspect are
both Americans.
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Police in Aruba say
Max DeVries' disappearance
was just an accident,
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but I have learned
the FBI is now stepping in
to investigate this case
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because there might be
much more to this mystery
in Aruba.
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[Cory] So, the FBI
went and interviewed
the son
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and he denied anything,
tried to stick to his story
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about how Max was
with his father...
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and Max drowned in Aruba.
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So the FBI agents offered
a polygraph the next day...
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So the FBI agents offered
a polygraph the next day...
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and, lo and behold,
he doesn't show up
for the polygraph.
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That tells me that he knew
he couldn't pass it.
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I've seen it many times
in my career.
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[narrator] Before the FBI
gets a chance to pursue
their investigation,
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they're pulled off the case.
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00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,600
They said they needed
every available agent
working terrorism
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and the case went cold.
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It seemed like for a moment,
"Yes! There's a spark!"
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And then it just seemed
to go quiet again.
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And then it just seemed
to go quiet again.
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[narrator] Neither of
the two men have been charged
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in connection
to Max's disappearance.
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[Cory] I hope that
what we're doing right now
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will bring attention
to the case
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and I'd love to see the FBI
get back involved on it.
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00:21:15,634 --> 00:21:18,600
Yvonne and Dominique
want to see justice.
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I would like...
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an end to this story.
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00:21:22,734 --> 00:21:25,467
Those two men know
what happened to my son.
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00:21:25,467 --> 00:21:28,565
It was more than just
a jet ski accident.
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00:21:28,565 --> 00:21:28,967
It was more than just
a jet ski accident.
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How do you go to bed
at night not knowing?
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I just can't even imagine.
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And it's not right.
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[Glenn] I just can't imagine
the strength and the willpower
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of an individual not knowing.
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To this day,
she still doesn't have
a death certificate.
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[Yvonne] I would like
everyone to know
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that a bright light was
taken that day.
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00:21:54,533 --> 00:21:58,565
There's just so many
sad twists and turns
about Max and...
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00:21:58,565 --> 00:21:58,734
There's just so many
sad twists and turns
about Max and...
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so many good things
that he could have contributed
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00:22:01,166 --> 00:22:03,166
that he'll never have
the chance to.
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[Dominique] So, when you let
your mind roll into
what could have happened,
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what his last moments were...
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none of them were good.
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He was taken
and all because he wanted
to experience life
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00:22:18,266 --> 00:22:22,266
and, unfortunately,
he doesn't have
that opportunity anymore.
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00:22:27,867 --> 00:22:28,565
Today marks 30 years
since the disappearance
of Laurie Depies.
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Today marks 30 years
since the disappearance
of Laurie Depies.
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[reporter 2] On August 19th,
1992,
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this photo of a beautiful
care-free 20 year old
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turned into
a missing person poster.
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[reporter 3] Friends inside
of the apartment heard her car
pull into the parking lot,
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but she never came
into the apartment.
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00:22:45,066 --> 00:22:48,867
I feel like the person
who did this had to have
known her.
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00:22:48,867 --> 00:22:53,734
There are some suspects
and some of them are
more infamous than others.
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00:22:53,734 --> 00:22:55,734
I mean, there are
two serial killers.
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[narrator] Born in 1971,
Laurie Depies grows up
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00:23:03,467 --> 00:23:06,967
in the Fox Valley area
of Wisconsin.
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00:23:06,967 --> 00:23:12,900
She was funny.
She had this enormous
amazing laugh that...
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00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:16,600
you know, you would turn
and kind of just
almost start laughing
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00:23:16,634 --> 00:23:17,867
because of her laugh.
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00:23:17,867 --> 00:23:21,500
She was kind and sweet.
She was a great friend.
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00:23:21,533 --> 00:23:24,634
She was somebody
who was there and listened
when you needed that.
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It's been hard to find
something as authentic
since her.
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[narrator] In August, 1992,
20-year-old Laurie is living
in Appleton, Wisconsin.
456
00:23:36,266 --> 00:23:39,600
She works at
a youth-focused gift store
in Fox River Mall
457
00:23:39,634 --> 00:23:41,367
with her close friend,
Victoria.
458
00:23:42,266 --> 00:23:44,600
She was happy at work.
459
00:23:44,634 --> 00:23:49,266
We loved our job
and I think she was just
really trying
460
00:23:49,266 --> 00:23:53,367
to get into
an adult life for herself
at that time.
461
00:23:53,367 --> 00:23:56,800
[narrator] Things were
going well in Laurie's
love life too.
462
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,565
She recently started dating
a young man named
Mark Truebenbach.
463
00:23:58,565 --> 00:24:01,533
She recently started dating
a young man named
Mark Truebenbach.
464
00:24:01,533 --> 00:24:05,900
They were at
the three-month part
of their relationship
465
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:09,000
and had just started really
expressing their feelings
for each other
466
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,734
on a deeper level.
467
00:24:11,734 --> 00:24:17,000
[narrator] For Laurie,
Wednesday, August 22nd,
begins like any other day.
468
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,734
She arrives at the mall
to start her shift around
12 noon.
469
00:24:21,967 --> 00:24:23,734
She goes to work,
she takes some breaks.
470
00:24:23,734 --> 00:24:27,734
She hangs out on one break
with her boyfriend, Mark.
471
00:24:27,734 --> 00:24:28,565
[narrator] Laurie makes plans
to hang out with Victoria
472
00:24:28,565 --> 00:24:30,867
[narrator] Laurie makes plans
to hang out with Victoria
473
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:33,100
and some other friends
that evening.
474
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:36,800
They agree to meet up
at Mark's apartment first.
475
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:42,000
She and another coworker begin
their store-closing duties
at nine p.m.
476
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,066
They're having issues
with the new cash register
system,
477
00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:49,900
so Victoria troubleshoots
with Laurie over the phone
from Mark's apartment.
478
00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:53,634
A little bit before 10 p.m.,
she and her friend
479
00:24:53,634 --> 00:24:56,634
that she closed
the store with,
they walk out of the mall.
480
00:24:56,634 --> 00:24:58,565
They get into cars
and they drive off
in opposite directions.
481
00:24:58,565 --> 00:25:02,066
They get into cars
and they drive off
in opposite directions.
482
00:25:02,066 --> 00:25:05,166
[narrator] Laurie arrives at
Mark's apartment building
in Menasha
483
00:25:05,166 --> 00:25:06,967
around 15 minutes later.
484
00:25:07,734 --> 00:25:09,166
I hear her car pull up.
485
00:25:09,166 --> 00:25:12,867
She had, like, an old
Volkswagen Rabbit hatchback
486
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:16,600
and, just, in those days,
they had a very distinctive
muffler sound.
487
00:25:16,634 --> 00:25:20,467
I got all excited
and I literally leaped over
the couch
488
00:25:20,467 --> 00:25:24,634
and I opened up
the balcony sliding doors,
489
00:25:24,634 --> 00:25:27,266
like, a couple of inches.
490
00:25:27,266 --> 00:25:28,565
And then I was like,
"Ah, she'll be up in
a couple of minutes,"
491
00:25:28,565 --> 00:25:29,800
And then I was like,
"Ah, she'll be up in
a couple of minutes,"
492
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,000
and I shut it.
493
00:25:32,266 --> 00:25:34,867
[narrator] Several minutes
pass and, strangely,
494
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:37,734
Laurie hasn't entered
Mark's apartment.
495
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,166
Victoria and Mark investigate.
496
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,734
We both go out on the balcony.
497
00:25:42,734 --> 00:25:46,066
We see her car
and begin to start yelling,
498
00:25:46,066 --> 00:25:47,967
you know, "Hey, Laurie?"
499
00:25:47,967 --> 00:25:51,066
[narrator] But there's
no sign of Laurie.
500
00:25:51,066 --> 00:25:54,266
Victoria, Mark
and his sister Lisa
headed down the stairs
501
00:25:54,367 --> 00:25:56,634
and found Laurie's car locked.
502
00:25:56,634 --> 00:25:58,565
There was a cup
on top of the car.
503
00:25:58,565 --> 00:25:58,734
There was a cup
on top of the car.
504
00:25:58,734 --> 00:26:00,734
[Victoria] It was still,
I think, half-full
505
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,166
and cold and slushy.
506
00:26:04,367 --> 00:26:05,800
She was just gone.
507
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,100
There was no evidence
of a struggle.
508
00:26:10,166 --> 00:26:12,734
[narrator] Those inside
Mark's apartment say
509
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,367
they never heard
anything concerning
after Laurie's car pulled up.
510
00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:19,800
There was no screaming.
511
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,500
There was not even anybody
on a conversation level.
512
00:26:23,533 --> 00:26:28,565
[narrator] Victoria, Mark
and his sister frantically
search for over an hour.
513
00:26:28,565 --> 00:26:29,166
[narrator] Victoria, Mark
and his sister frantically
search for over an hour.
514
00:26:29,166 --> 00:26:31,533
They thought that perhaps
she had gone down
the street
515
00:26:31,533 --> 00:26:35,367
to a local convenience store
to grab some cigarettes.
516
00:26:35,367 --> 00:26:41,166
So Mark took off that way,
while the rest of the group
searched the local area.
517
00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:46,000
[narrator] At 11:45 p.m.,
they contact the Menasha
police department
518
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,166
to report Laurie missing.
519
00:26:48,166 --> 00:26:51,100
[Victoria] It took me
quite a long time...
520
00:26:52,266 --> 00:26:57,100
to get over the guilt
of not opening that door
521
00:26:57,166 --> 00:26:58,565
at that moment
and walking out...
522
00:26:58,565 --> 00:26:59,367
at that moment
and walking out...
523
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:03,367
onto the balcony
'cause I could have
seen something.
524
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,467
[Jordan] It's everybody's
worst fear to just be grabbed
525
00:27:07,467 --> 00:27:09,367
and disappear without a trace.
526
00:27:09,467 --> 00:27:10,533
I mean, it's the stuff
of nightmares.
527
00:27:13,867 --> 00:27:15,266
This apartment complex
parking lot behind me here
528
00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:19,467
is the last place
authorities believe Depies was
before she disappeared.
529
00:27:19,467 --> 00:27:21,967
[Matt] The apartment complex
where Mark lived is
530
00:27:21,967 --> 00:27:28,333
a handful of buildings
located literally steps from
a fairly-busy street.
531
00:27:28,333 --> 00:27:32,800
It's miraculous
that nobody saw anything
or heard anything
532
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,000
because she was literally
surrounded in every direction
533
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000
by an apartment
or a house that was
not far away.
534
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,800
And you have to remember,
it's in August.
535
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,297
So some of these windows
have to be open, right?
536
00:27:42,297 --> 00:27:44,000
So some of these windows
have to be open, right?
537
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,433
[narrator] Police
and volunteers start pounding
the pavement immediately,
538
00:27:49,433 --> 00:27:52,100
looking for
any sign of Laurie.
539
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:56,000
I think the effort
by law enforcement
and the community was...
540
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,800
It was herculean...
541
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,000
and that involved
large pedestrian surveys
542
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,433
to the area around
Mark's apartment,
543
00:28:04,433 --> 00:28:05,734
canvassing the neighborhood.
544
00:28:05,734 --> 00:28:07,266
They talked to all the people
who lived there.
545
00:28:07,266 --> 00:28:11,634
They even brought in
civilian air patrols
to get aerial photographs
546
00:28:11,634 --> 00:28:12,297
of the entire area
surrounding Mark's apartment
in Menasha,
547
00:28:12,297 --> 00:28:15,367
of the entire area
surrounding Mark's apartment
in Menasha,
548
00:28:15,367 --> 00:28:19,367
including big chunks
of the Fox River
and Lake Winnebago.
549
00:28:19,367 --> 00:28:26,367
You couldn't walk anywhere
and not see one of her
missing posters in the window.
550
00:28:26,367 --> 00:28:30,900
[narrator] Despite
their best efforts,
they find no trace of Laurie.
551
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:34,734
The only potential piece
of evidence is
the Styrofoam cup
552
00:28:34,734 --> 00:28:37,166
that was left on
the top of her car.
553
00:28:37,233 --> 00:28:39,634
They dusted it for prints
and they did find
554
00:28:39,634 --> 00:28:42,233
a print that did not belong
to Laurie.
555
00:28:42,233 --> 00:28:42,297
It appeared to be a thumb
and based on its size,
it was likely male.
556
00:28:42,297 --> 00:28:47,333
It appeared to be a thumb
and based on its size,
it was likely male.
557
00:28:47,333 --> 00:28:50,634
They have used that cup
to compare to individuals
558
00:28:50,634 --> 00:28:52,533
who they believe
may have been involved
559
00:28:52,533 --> 00:28:54,000
and there has never been
a single match.
560
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:57,233
[narrator] Several people
submit to polygraphs
561
00:28:57,233 --> 00:28:59,867
in the early days
of the investigation,
562
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:04,867
including Laurie's boyfriend,
Mark, and her friend Victoria.
563
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:09,000
They wanted to make sure
I didn't, like, help her
run away
564
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,533
or escape from
I don't know what.
565
00:29:11,634 --> 00:29:12,297
And, obviously, it came back
that that was not the case.
566
00:29:12,297 --> 00:29:17,100
And, obviously, it came back
that that was not the case.
567
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,867
[narrator] The polygraph
results yield nothing useful.
568
00:29:20,867 --> 00:29:23,000
So they are cleared
of any suspicion.
569
00:29:24,533 --> 00:29:26,467
A few months after
Laurie disappears,
570
00:29:26,467 --> 00:29:30,433
a 19-year-old man
that Laurie knows
through the mall
571
00:29:30,433 --> 00:29:33,734
pops up on
law enforcement's radar.
572
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,533
He was enrolled
in a facility near
the Fox Valley
573
00:29:37,634 --> 00:29:40,867
that worked on
trying to rehabilitate
trouble youths
574
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:42,297
and he had
graduated out of that
575
00:29:42,297 --> 00:29:42,467
and he had
graduated out of that
576
00:29:42,533 --> 00:29:45,467
and gotten himself
a job at the mall.
577
00:29:45,467 --> 00:29:47,900
On the day
that Laurie went missing,
578
00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:51,266
the young man had
actually asked her out
on a date
579
00:29:51,333 --> 00:29:53,634
and Laurie very politely
had turned him down,
580
00:29:53,634 --> 00:29:56,734
letting him know that
she's sorry, but she already
had a boyfriend.
581
00:29:57,867 --> 00:30:00,333
[narrator] On the night
of Laurie's disappearance,
582
00:30:00,333 --> 00:30:03,734
this young man has plans
to head to a coworker's place
583
00:30:03,734 --> 00:30:06,433
after finishing his shift
at the mall.
584
00:30:06,433 --> 00:30:12,100
He should have been there,
where this person lived,
by 9:20 at the latest.
585
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:12,297
He arrived, I believe,
closer to, like, 11:30.
586
00:30:12,297 --> 00:30:16,000
He arrived, I believe,
closer to, like, 11:30.
587
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,467
[narrator] When he eventually
arrives, his behavior makes
a few young women
588
00:30:20,533 --> 00:30:22,467
extremely uncomfortable.
589
00:30:23,467 --> 00:30:24,867
They actually ended up leaving
590
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,467
maybe 30 minutes
after he arrived.
591
00:30:27,533 --> 00:30:29,100
They didn't want
to be around him.
592
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:32,533
They described him as
acting erratic and anxious.
593
00:30:32,634 --> 00:30:35,367
He had grabbed
a sheet of paper
and began to scribble
594
00:30:35,433 --> 00:30:38,100
cartoon-style drawings
all over it.
595
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:40,734
[narrator] He leaves
the drawings at
the apartment
596
00:30:40,734 --> 00:30:42,297
and they're subsequently
handed over to police.
597
00:30:42,297 --> 00:30:44,233
and they're subsequently
handed over to police.
598
00:30:44,233 --> 00:30:47,800
Investigators show
the drawings to some
of Laurie's friends,
599
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,533
including Victoria.
600
00:30:49,533 --> 00:30:52,266
And I was just kind of stunned
601
00:30:52,333 --> 00:30:55,867
because one of the images
was of a female...
602
00:30:56,867 --> 00:31:01,166
wearing a top
and, like, biker shorts
603
00:31:01,233 --> 00:31:03,800
that resembled
what she went missing in.
604
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,166
[narrator] An outfit like
the one in this police sketch,
605
00:31:07,233 --> 00:31:12,297
but there's another detail
of the young man's drawing
that stands out.
606
00:31:12,297 --> 00:31:12,533
but there's another detail
of the young man's drawing
that stands out.
607
00:31:12,533 --> 00:31:17,967
A person, a male, standing,
like, behind her like this
608
00:31:17,967 --> 00:31:21,734
while like this, with, like,
a knife in his hand
609
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:27,266
and then,
I believe there was, like,
blood dripping from that.
610
00:31:27,333 --> 00:31:30,166
[narrator] The young man's
behavior in the days
and weeks
611
00:31:30,233 --> 00:31:34,100
after Laurie is
reported missing
raises red flags.
612
00:31:35,634 --> 00:31:39,166
After she disappears,
according to people
who were around at the time,
613
00:31:39,233 --> 00:31:41,734
he does not volunteer
with any of the searching,
614
00:31:41,734 --> 00:31:42,297
unlike almost all
the folks that knew her.
615
00:31:42,297 --> 00:31:44,333
unlike almost all
the folks that knew her.
616
00:31:44,333 --> 00:31:46,900
I don't recall
seeing him at the mall again.
617
00:31:48,266 --> 00:31:51,900
I don't recall ever seeing him
after that.
618
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:56,533
He was not cooperative
in any way, shape or form
with law enforcement.
619
00:31:56,533 --> 00:31:59,066
One challenging aspect
of the investigation
620
00:31:59,066 --> 00:32:02,266
was that in the time it took
621
00:32:02,266 --> 00:32:06,467
for the story
to reach investigators
about this person,
622
00:32:06,467 --> 00:32:10,367
he had gotten rid of his car,
which, of course,
623
00:32:10,433 --> 00:32:12,297
a car would be
one of the main pieces
of evidence
624
00:32:12,297 --> 00:32:13,634
a car would be
one of the main pieces
of evidence
625
00:32:13,634 --> 00:32:15,634
you would want to look into.
626
00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:19,433
[narrator] Many feel
that the lack of any evidence
of a struggle
627
00:32:19,433 --> 00:32:23,100
suggests that Laurie was
likely abducted by
someone she knew.
628
00:32:24,467 --> 00:32:29,100
The means of being able
to pull up, have her get
in your car
629
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:31,100
and have her not make
any noise
630
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:33,634
and there not have
to be a struggle,
631
00:32:33,634 --> 00:32:37,734
I really think is something
that has to be considered.
632
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,297
Whether he took
that rejection not so well
633
00:32:42,297 --> 00:32:44,533
Whether he took
that rejection not so well
634
00:32:44,533 --> 00:32:49,266
and followed her
and asked if he could
just talk to her,
635
00:32:49,266 --> 00:32:51,000
she would have gotten
into the car
636
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,367
or gotten close to him
to talk to him
637
00:32:54,367 --> 00:32:57,867
because she knew him
on that level and she probably
felt bad.
638
00:32:57,867 --> 00:33:02,634
[narrator] Questions linger
about what he could have done
with Laurie's body
639
00:33:02,734 --> 00:33:06,800
if he is indeed responsible
for her disappearance.
640
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,900
[Jordan] I don't think
you could possibly
bury somebody in an hour.
641
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:12,297
As an anthropologist,
I've dug more holes
642
00:33:12,297 --> 00:33:12,333
As an anthropologist,
I've dug more holes
643
00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:16,333
than I really care
to think about and it's hard.
644
00:33:16,333 --> 00:33:22,367
He could have definitely
disposed of her remains
by dumping them somewhere
645
00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:26,800
or he could have had her
in the vehicle when he goes
over to his friend's house
646
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,533
in an effort to try
to establish an alibi.
647
00:33:29,533 --> 00:33:34,166
There's been mentioned,
you know, that we have
this Fox River
648
00:33:34,233 --> 00:33:37,800
in my community
that has a very fast current
649
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,433
and it's really tough
for divers to go down there.
650
00:33:41,433 --> 00:33:42,297
So, this apartment
where he was supposed to be at
was right on that river.
651
00:33:42,297 --> 00:33:47,367
So, this apartment
where he was supposed to be at
was right on that river.
652
00:33:48,967 --> 00:33:50,166
I walk down...
653
00:33:52,734 --> 00:33:53,967
[emotionally] by that river
a lot...
654
00:33:58,233 --> 00:33:59,900
and I talk to her.
655
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:03,533
And I don't go to the river
to talk to her as if
she's in there.
656
00:34:03,533 --> 00:34:05,000
I go to the river
because I'm like,
657
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,533
"It's traveling and hopefully
my words reach her."
658
00:34:08,533 --> 00:34:12,000
[narrator] Many years pass
with little movement
in the case,
659
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:12,297
until November, 2010,
when there's a potential
breakthrough.
660
00:34:12,297 --> 00:34:16,634
until November, 2010,
when there's a potential
breakthrough.
661
00:34:16,734 --> 00:34:18,533
[reporter] Police in the town
of Menasha say
662
00:34:18,533 --> 00:34:21,467
this man, convicted kidnapper
Larry Dewayne Hall,
663
00:34:21,533 --> 00:34:24,367
has confessed to abducting
and killing Depies.
664
00:34:24,433 --> 00:34:26,634
The 48-year-old is
serving a life sentence
665
00:34:26,734 --> 00:34:28,867
at a federal prison
in North Carolina.
666
00:34:28,867 --> 00:34:30,533
[reporter 2] According
to police, Hall told them
667
00:34:30,533 --> 00:34:33,467
he met Depies at
the Fox River Mall
where she worked,
668
00:34:33,533 --> 00:34:36,367
followed her later
when she drove to
her boyfriend's home
669
00:34:36,433 --> 00:34:39,066
in the town of Menasha,
abducted and killed her.
670
00:34:39,066 --> 00:34:42,297
Depending on who you ask,
Larry Dewayne Hall is
either a...
671
00:34:42,297 --> 00:34:43,867
Depending on who you ask,
Larry Dewayne Hall is
either a...
672
00:34:45,634 --> 00:34:48,266
kind of, poser,
who wants people to think
673
00:34:48,266 --> 00:34:51,000
that he was involved in
killing a whole bunch
of people
674
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,367
or he's one of the most
prolific serial killers
in American history.
675
00:34:55,433 --> 00:34:58,634
He was known for
a love of Civil War
676
00:34:58,634 --> 00:35:00,867
and Revolutionary War
reenactments
677
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:05,433
and would travel around
the country, participating
with a regiment
678
00:35:05,433 --> 00:35:09,467
out of Indiana
and it seems that women
would go missing
679
00:35:09,533 --> 00:35:12,297
near or around
these types of locations.
680
00:35:12,297 --> 00:35:12,467
near or around
these types of locations.
681
00:35:12,533 --> 00:35:16,100
I had heard his name
because of the previous
abduction in the area
682
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:19,266
and so then there were
questions like,
683
00:35:19,266 --> 00:35:22,900
"Oh, he was in town
that same time?"
684
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:27,467
[narrator] Larry Dewayne Hall
has claimed responsibility
for 39 abductions
685
00:35:27,533 --> 00:35:30,166
and dozens of murders.
686
00:35:30,166 --> 00:35:34,266
He's first linked
to Laurie's disappearance
in 1994,
687
00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:37,100
when his van is
searched in connection
with the kidnapping
688
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:42,297
and murder of
a 15-year-old Illinois girl
named Jessica Roach.
689
00:35:42,297 --> 00:35:42,467
and murder of
a 15-year-old Illinois girl
named Jessica Roach.
690
00:35:42,533 --> 00:35:46,233
He had, on a piece of paper,
something written
along the lines of,
691
00:35:46,233 --> 00:35:48,634
"Fox River Mall. Laurie."
692
00:35:48,634 --> 00:35:53,000
It's worth noting that
the name Laurie was spelled
"Lori,"
693
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,734
where Laurie Depies
actually spells her name
"Laurie."
694
00:35:57,734 --> 00:36:02,800
[narrator] May, 2011,
police search an area
in south central Wisconsin,
695
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,467
based on information shared
by Larry Dewayne Hall.
696
00:36:06,467 --> 00:36:07,800
[reporter] He told
Menasha police
697
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,734
where they would find
four bodies,
but officers found nothing.
698
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,297
Authorities have found
no evidence linking Hall
to the Depies case.
699
00:36:12,297 --> 00:36:15,533
Authorities have found
no evidence linking Hall
to the Depies case.
700
00:36:15,533 --> 00:36:18,634
Police remain skeptical
because in the past, Cathy,
701
00:36:18,634 --> 00:36:20,433
he has confessed
to some crimes
702
00:36:25,467 --> 00:36:28,333
[narrator] Larry Dewayne Hall
later recants his confession
in Laurie's case.
703
00:36:29,467 --> 00:36:31,066
And that's part of what makes
a case against
704
00:36:31,066 --> 00:36:33,100
Larry Dewayne Hall
so difficult.
705
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:37,467
He's known for providing
misleading information
or incorrect information
706
00:36:37,533 --> 00:36:42,000
and also that he
doesn't stick by his story
for very long.
707
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,533
Larry is an individual
who is documented to be
of low IQ.
708
00:36:47,533 --> 00:36:50,467
The idea that he is
this criminal mastermind is
709
00:36:50,467 --> 00:36:53,598
just really something
that is hard for me
to wrap my mind around.
710
00:36:53,598 --> 00:36:54,166
just really something
that is hard for me
to wrap my mind around.
711
00:36:54,233 --> 00:36:57,533
But that doesn't mean
that he's not
potentially responsible
712
00:36:57,533 --> 00:36:59,166
for Laurie's disappearance.
713
00:37:02,166 --> 00:37:09,100
[narrator] Larry Dewayne Hall
isn't the only serial killer
on investigator's radar.
714
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:12,000
Another one of the suspects,
in terms of Laurie's
disappearance,
715
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,800
is another serial killer,
a guy named David Spanbauer.
716
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,166
Around the time
that Laurie disappears,
717
00:37:19,233 --> 00:37:23,598
he's actively
breaking in to houses
in the Appleton area.
718
00:37:23,598 --> 00:37:23,634
he's actively
breaking in to houses
in the Appleton area.
719
00:37:23,634 --> 00:37:26,000
[narrator] Two years
after Laurie disappeared,
720
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,867
David Spanbauer is arrested
after attempting to break into
a home.
721
00:37:30,867 --> 00:37:35,166
Days later, he confesses
to murdering 12-year-old
Cora Jones,
722
00:37:35,166 --> 00:37:40,533
21-year-old Trudi Jeschke,
and 10-year-old
Ronelle Eichstadt,
723
00:37:40,533 --> 00:37:44,467
but he denies
having any involvement
in Laurie's disappearance.
724
00:37:45,734 --> 00:37:48,066
So, he was reporting
to a parole officer
725
00:37:48,066 --> 00:37:50,867
and on the night
Laurie disappeared,
726
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:53,000
he had actually applied
to travel to Minnesota,
727
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,598
which would have taken
his route past the area
where Laurie disappeared.
728
00:37:53,598 --> 00:37:58,100
which would have taken
his route past the area
where Laurie disappeared.
729
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:01,634
[narrator] When news
of David Spanbauer's arrest
is made public,
730
00:38:01,734 --> 00:38:04,066
a friend of Laurie's
who worked at the mall
731
00:38:04,066 --> 00:38:06,533
tells law enforcement
that she believes
732
00:38:06,634 --> 00:38:09,867
Spanbauer stalked her
years earlier.
733
00:38:09,867 --> 00:38:14,266
The woman is now deceased,
but her mother spoke
to Dr. Jordan Karsten
734
00:38:14,266 --> 00:38:19,367
and Matt Hiskes
for their podcast
"Cold Case: Frozen Tundra."
735
00:38:19,433 --> 00:38:23,598
David Spanbauer would come in
and ask her about massage oils
736
00:38:23,598 --> 00:38:24,734
David Spanbauer would come in
and ask her about massage oils
737
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,967
and was just generally creepy
towards her and he was
constantly kind of
738
00:38:28,967 --> 00:38:31,967
visiting this woman
at the mall.
739
00:38:31,967 --> 00:38:34,533
And one night,
she left the mall
740
00:38:34,634 --> 00:38:38,533
and she saw David Spanbauer
and he ran at her.
741
00:38:38,634 --> 00:38:43,533
[Matt] She ran out to her car
and saw him coming around
the mall in his own vehicle.
742
00:38:43,533 --> 00:38:46,266
He followed her
and she frantically drove
743
00:38:46,333 --> 00:38:48,100
and he kept
right on her bumper.
744
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:51,367
She ultimately did
make a sudden left turn
and lose him,
745
00:38:51,367 --> 00:38:53,598
but she certainly felt
she had escaped something
major happening that night.
746
00:38:53,598 --> 00:38:55,367
but she certainly felt
she had escaped something
major happening that night.
747
00:38:55,867 --> 00:38:58,734
[woman talking]
748
00:39:07,867 --> 00:39:12,533
And it creeped her out enough
that she just quit the job
and just left the mall.
749
00:39:12,634 --> 00:39:14,467
At the time, she didn't know
the guy's name.
750
00:39:14,533 --> 00:39:15,800
She didn't know
anything about him.
751
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,467
Later, after David Spanbauer's
arrest for three murders,
752
00:39:20,467 --> 00:39:23,598
she saw a picture of him
and recognized him
as the man
753
00:39:23,598 --> 00:39:23,967
she saw a picture of him
and recognized him
as the man
754
00:39:23,967 --> 00:39:26,000
that had been stalking her
at the mall.
755
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,634
Laurie's friend
then went back
to law enforcement.
756
00:39:28,634 --> 00:39:32,000
This, of course, was
years after Laurie had
gone missing, but...
757
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,000
this young woman was
fairly confident
758
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,333
that during the time
he had been following her
around the mall,
759
00:39:37,333 --> 00:39:40,734
he would have seen her
taking her lunch breaks
with Laurie.
760
00:39:40,734 --> 00:39:46,367
[narrator] But Laurie's friend
and coworker Victoria isn't
convinced about this lead.
761
00:39:46,367 --> 00:39:49,533
I don't recall an adult male
hanging out in our store.
762
00:39:49,533 --> 00:39:53,598
I don't recall anybody
creepily, on a consistent
basis,
763
00:39:53,598 --> 00:39:54,166
I don't recall anybody
creepily, on a consistent
basis,
764
00:39:54,166 --> 00:39:57,734
hanging out in front
of the store, on the benches.
765
00:39:57,734 --> 00:40:00,266
And I think David Spanbauer,
unfortunately,
766
00:40:00,333 --> 00:40:02,867
was super focused
on that one other girl
767
00:40:02,867 --> 00:40:08,467
and took that aggression out
on whoever else he abducted...
768
00:40:09,533 --> 00:40:11,467
but I don't think
he abducted Laurie.
769
00:40:11,533 --> 00:40:13,867
Although there's always
the possibility of somebody
770
00:40:13,867 --> 00:40:17,900
who's never been looked at
being involved in any
unsolved crime,
771
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:22,734
the three main suspects
in this case really come down
to Larry Dewayne Hall,
772
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,598
David Frank Spanbauer
or the young man
773
00:40:23,598 --> 00:40:25,266
David Frank Spanbauer
or the young man
774
00:40:25,266 --> 00:40:27,166
who Laurie knew at the mall.
775
00:40:27,233 --> 00:40:30,166
Given that the young man
she knew is the only one
776
00:40:30,166 --> 00:40:33,100
who may have been able
to approach her
777
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:36,000
and talk to her
without her screaming
or struggling,
778
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,634
it certainly does
cast suspicion on the fact
779
00:40:38,734 --> 00:40:41,166
that he may ultimately be
the one involved
in the crime.
780
00:40:41,166 --> 00:40:45,867
My opinion, he is
the most likely
of all the suspects.
781
00:40:45,867 --> 00:40:49,266
He goes on to have
a prolific criminal record
782
00:40:49,266 --> 00:40:53,598
and the bulk majority
of that criminal record is
domestic violence
783
00:40:53,598 --> 00:40:53,867
and the bulk majority
of that criminal record is
domestic violence
784
00:40:53,867 --> 00:40:58,533
and it also includes
several personal
protective orders
785
00:40:58,533 --> 00:41:02,367
that were filed against him
by intimate partners.
786
00:41:03,634 --> 00:41:05,734
[narrator] The Wisconsin
Department of Justice is
787
00:41:05,734 --> 00:41:09,100
currently the lead agency
in Laurie's case.
788
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:12,000
They declined to comment
for this story.
789
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:17,467
No one has ever been charged
in connection with Laurie's
disappearance.
790
00:41:17,533 --> 00:41:20,634
If you have any information
related to this case,
791
00:41:20,734 --> 00:41:23,598
I cannot encourage you
more strongly to reach out
to law enforcement.
792
00:41:23,598 --> 00:41:25,533
I cannot encourage you
more strongly to reach out
to law enforcement.
793
00:41:25,634 --> 00:41:27,533
You can reach out
to our podcast
794
00:41:27,634 --> 00:41:29,867
to get that information
brought forward.
795
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:33,000
[Matt] If there is just
a tiny little bit of evidence
that blew this case open,
796
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,233
it would truly provide
some closure for a community,
797
00:41:36,233 --> 00:41:41,333
for family and friends
and really an entire region
of Wisconsin
798
00:41:41,333 --> 00:41:44,634
that has, for decades,
searched in vain
for answers.
799
00:41:44,634 --> 00:41:46,734
[emotionally] And I hate
that she's not here.
800
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:52,000
I hate that we could have had
and raised kids together...
801
00:41:52,867 --> 00:41:53,598
that were as close as we were.
802
00:41:53,598 --> 00:41:54,467
that were as close as we were.
803
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:59,533
[tearfully] I hate
that I have to keep
doing interviews like this...
804
00:41:59,533 --> 00:42:02,266
[sniffs] because there's
still no answers.
805
00:42:03,266 --> 00:42:05,634
I just want to just move on.