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[man] It was a whirlwind relationship.
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We were at bars five, six nights a week.
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We had a lot of fun.
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We used to go out and play darts
and shoot pool every night.
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I never meant for her to get hurt.
I loved her.
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My name's Charles Thompson.
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I've been on death row for 18 years,
19 years altogether on this case.
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I was convicted of capital murder,
double murder statute.
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And it was girlfriend and, uh...
and another man.
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[man 1]
And I walked up, I fired one shot.
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And as I got closer,
I fired one more shot.
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[man 2] She was shot through the cheek
and it stopped in her jaw.
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[man 3] I drove him around behind a desk
and I stabbed him approximately 25 times.
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[man 4] I couldn't believe it.
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I just thought I can't believe
I just killed somebody.
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[man 5]
I don't feel bad about it. [laughs]
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[man 6] I started stabbing him,
stabbing the guy on the couch.
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How's that?
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Can you hear me good?
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Okay?
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Now I can hear better. [laughs]
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I first met Dennise on my birthday.
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There was a little chemistry right away.
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We sat around and drank some beers
and got to talking.
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You know, we... we just hit it off.
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I had spent the night with her that night.
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In a matter of two weeks later,
I moved in with her.
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She was always smiling,
always laughing, just carefree.
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She had been divorced,
and she was 38 years old
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and having all the fun
she "missed out on."
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That's what she used to say.
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The lady could shoot pool,
she could shoot darts
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and she was the life of the party.
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Here I was, 27 years old, you know,
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and, you know,
I thought she hung the moon.
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I-- I was in love with her.
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We had a couple spats.
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There was one time, St. Patrick's Day,
she hit me and I hit her.
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And I regretted it. Man, I regretted it.
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But, uh, I was drunk and she hit me,
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and I just lost my temper
and slapped her a couple times.
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She had a black eye
and, uh, I think her lip was bruised.
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Yeah, it was part of my case records, too.
It's nothing I was proud of.
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It was the first time
I'd ever hit a woman in my life.
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We were very much in love
and back together when this happened.
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And the prosecution tried to portray me
as a disgruntled ex-boyfriend.
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That-- that was not the case.
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My first inclination
that she was seeing Darren
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was when she told me
the weekend before this case happened
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that she went and slept
with the bartender at Kelly's.
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I had met him several times,
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but I never had a clue
that he was seeing my girl.
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And I should have snapped
when we were in the bar.
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He was giving us free rounds of drinks.
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And that didn't-- it didn't occur to me,
you know, why.
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I just thought, "Wow, this guy's
being really cool to us," you know?
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Apparently, she'd been in there for lunch
several times and was already seeing him.
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[Thompson] The night this happened,
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we went out to the bar,
the usual Wednesday night spot,
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which was to play darts and, uh,
steak and potato night for five bucks.
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My friend testified at my trial
about us closing the bar
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as we always did on Wednesday night
and then coming home,
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and, uh, Darren calling
at 2:33 o'clock in the morning
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'cause he wanted to be with her again.
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We ended up getting into a fight.
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The sheriff came
and told us both to leave.
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I came back at 6:00 in the morning
to get my stuff, to go to work,
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and, uh, the gentleman
was there in bed with her.
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So we got into a verbal altercation,
and one thing led to another.
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And, uh, from-- from what I can recollect
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is he grabbed a French knife
out of the kitchen block
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and he began threatening me with it.
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The pistol came out.
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I believe I had gotten the pistol
outta her closet.
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This gentleman threatened me
with the knife, told me I need to leave.
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And I-- I drew down on him and I told him,
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"Hey, you know,
you need to put the knife down."
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So we had pretty much
a stand-off at that point.
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Now what happened next is,
it's-- it's kind of a blur to me.
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I was still hung over
and still a little drunk.
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But from what I remember, he came at me.
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If you look at the testimony
of the medical examiner,
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the first shot
was some over six to eight feet away.
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He was coming at me.
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The second shot was three feet or less.
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[gunshot pops]
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It's just a big blur after that.
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We're tumbling around
and we're fighting over the pistol.
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It happened so fast.
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[gunshot]
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I-- I remember us fighting
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and the gun going off, and she got hit.
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[gunshot]
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[thumps]
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She was shot through the cheek
and it stopped in her jaw.
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She got in the middle of us fighting
and got shot in the mouth.
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And then I checked her
and I thought she was dead. I picked up the phone and called 911.
It didn't go through.
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I ran, I left. I freaked out.
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[Thompson] After the crime happened,
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I went to a friend's house
and got bandaged up,
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and I passed out from shock.
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I got up in the morning a few hours later
and it was on the TV.
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And my friend was watching it,
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and she told me, "Hey, you know,
I think that's you on TV."
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And I started watching it, and I seen her.
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I said, "Oh, my God, she's alive."
And I started crying.
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They had her coming out
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with the bandage on her face,
sitting up on the-- on the stretcher
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before they put her in the ambulance.
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And, uh, you know, I called my dad
and I told him, "Hey," you know--
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He-- right away, he told me,
"The police have been looking for you.
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They got you 'armed and dangerous.'"
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And I said, "Okay."
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He said, "Tell me where you're at, son.
You know, go turn yourself in."
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So I did.
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[monitor beeping]
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[Thompson] They told her, you know,
she was gonna be all right.
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This was routine surgery to them.
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They waited six hours to take her in.
It wasn't life-threatening.
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When they took her into pre-surgery,
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they repositioned her on her side, and
they checked with the fiber optic scope
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to make sure
everything was in the right place.
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Everybody left the operating room
to go scrub for this surgery,
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and she lost air.
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They ran in there,
and did an emergency trachea,
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hit her with the paddles
and brought her back to life.
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But it was too late.
She was already brain dead.
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-[monitor beeping]
-[oxygen hissing]
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[Thompson] She sat in a hospital room
for four days
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with a DNR-- Do Not Resuscitate order.
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They took me down to court
seven days after this happened.
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I said, "I don't have court."
They said, "Yeah, you do. Come on."
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So I went down to court and they told me,
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"Look, we're dropping the manslaughter
and the aggravated assault charges."
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And I looked at the bailiff and asked him,
"What does this mean?" And they said, "We're introducing
capital murder charges."
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And I looked at the bailiff and he says,
"It means the death penalty now, boy."
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I'm like, "Death penalty?
What are you talking about?"
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He said, "Yeah, you're charged
under double murder statute."
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I said, "I didn't kill her.
The hospital did."
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I had already talked to my family
on the phone
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and heard that there was complications,
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that the hospital had suffocated her.
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I was devastated.
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The family sued the hospital
for wrongful death.
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I understand
it was a very grueling time for them.
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Yeah, it was pretty sad.
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I loved the lady. You know,
I still think about her every day
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and why I'm here.
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And I wish that she would have lived
to testify about this
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'cause she would have told them
what happened.
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[man] Doctors hate lawyers
and they hate to testify,
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especially if they think
they've got a dog in the hunt.
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I mean, they got a jillion dollars
worth of insurance.
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It ain't gonna cost them a dime.
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They can stand there
and admit they killed her,
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and it wouldn't have cost them a penny.
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And-- and nobody
in the medical community would care.
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My name is Ellis McCullough,
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and I was Charles Victor Thompson's
original defense attorney.
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The first trial, I thought,
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hinged entirely on the interpretation
of the medical evidence.
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That Hayslip, uh,
the cause of her death, uh,
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was by her treatment at the hospital.
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The state's insistence
that the standard was,
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"What if the victim had had
no medical care whatsoever?"
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Which I consider to be ludicrous.
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Because there's almost no injury
that can cause death
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if left totally unattended.
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I think the standard ought to be
whatever the situation is.
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She didn't die at the scene.
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She didn't bleed to death at the scene.
They got her there.
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It was a nasty wound.
I won't take anything away from that.
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But they had everything there
to save her life and knew how to do it.
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It just didn't work out.
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In my opinion, with ordinary medical care,
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she would have survived.
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[man] You know, people make mistakes.
People do stupid stuff.
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I think he just--
fit of rage and jealousy.
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And "If I can't have her,
nobody's gonna have her" type of thing. Uh, my name's Michael Donaghy,
and I am Dennise's brother.
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That picture of her leaning over,
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you know, sitting up on a gurney
and leaning forward
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so she wouldn't choke to death
on her own blood,
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-it was just horrific.
-[monitor beeping]
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[Donaghy]
That's etched in my mind forever.
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I talked to a doctor down there
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and he said, you know,
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"She's hurt bad, but it's, you know,
we're gonna take her back in a little bit,
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we're gonna clean up the wound."
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And so, I went to the rest of the family
and told them everything's gonna be okay.
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She's gonna survive.
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She's probably gonna have
a speech impediment
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and she's gonna have scarring on her face.
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About eight, ten hours later,
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it went from everything being okay
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to, you know,
she's pretty much brain dead.
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And that hit me like a ton of bricks,
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'cause, you know, I felt responsible
for telling everybody it was okay.
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I don't know what happened.
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But, you know, something happened and--
[sighs]
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One thing I will say
is that doctors cover doctors.
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They'll-- they'll cover each other.
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[man] Doctors are not magicians.
They're not all perfect.
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They're human beings.
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They've had more training,
generally speaking,
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than the man or the woman in the street.
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But they're still human beings.
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I'm Paul Radelat.
I am a pathologist by profession. The thrust of the defense
was that this was not a lethal wound,
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and she died because this unfortunate
event took place in the hospital.
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It was my role to substantiate that idea
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as best I could
within the bounds of integrity.
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The bullet penetrated
what was essentially the upper airway
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and created bleeding right on top
of the entrance to the windpipe.
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That was a primary concern
of the physicians,
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and that's the way they acted.
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[Dr. Radelat]
I don't think the doctors covered up.
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Maybe I'm being naive in that regard.
I think they were trying to do their best.
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It's easy to make a mistake.
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And I don't know if they made one or not,
but this is a very difficult situation.
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I'm not sure any "blame,"
as I understand the word,
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should be apportioned
to the medical personnel.
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They intended no evil.
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The shooter, I think we can safely say,
intended evil.
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[Thompson on recording] Yeah, it was
pretty sad. You know, I loved the lady.
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You know, I still think about her
every day and why I'm here.
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I wish that she would have lived
to testify about this.
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She would've told them what happened.
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She sat in a hospital room
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with nothing but an IV for fluids
for four days,
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with a DNR-- Do Not Resuscitate order.
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I didn't kill her. The hospital did.
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I had already talked to my family
on the phone
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and heard that they had suffocated her,
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that there was complications,
that she had been in a coma.
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[sighs] Ahem.
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Where do I begin with that one?
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Well, she's not in the hospital
if you don't shoot her.
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Um...
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I mean, it's an easy excuse to make.
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It's an easy one to blame,
blame the hospital.
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So, I would...
I would, in his situation, as well.
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However, ultimately though,
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the truth is, is that you held a gun
to somebody's face
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and you pulled the trigger.
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And the reason why we know
it was held close
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because there are powder burns
on her cheek.
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My name is Wade Hayslip.
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Dennise was my mom.
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My mom was a, uh,
very kindhearted individual.
249
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Uh, she taught me everything
I needed to know about compassion.
250
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I would hope that Chuck comprehends.
251
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I hope that he understands
the weight of...
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of, uh, the domino effect
that he's started,
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the impact that this has caused.
254
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I feel it every day.
255
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[Thompson] From what I remember,
Darren came at me.
256
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Yeah. I shot once, twice,
and then we fought.
257
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And then, I-- the rest of it,
it's just a blur to me.
258
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It's "just a blur"?
259
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He shot once, twice. He fired five times.
260
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And when he was on the ground face down,
put a bullet into the back of his head.
261
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Okay.
262
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Um, how is that a blur?
That's pretty clear.
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It's pretty vivid.
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And intentional.
265
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[Thompson] I believe I'd gotten the pistol
out of her closet.
266
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You know, I-I remember us fighting
and the gun going off, and she got hit.
267
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I can't-- I don't remember
exactly how it all happened.
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It's...
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[sighs]
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He didn't go into detail
about how the door got broken into,
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which the door frame was smashed.
272
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Uh, and also the encounter happened,
uh, in the living room and in the kitchen.
273
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So I don't know how he would have got
into the closet to do that.
274
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I feel like this is like a five-year-old
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when you caught them
doing something wrong,
276
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but they continually maintain
that they didn't do it,
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uh, even though
you literally just saw them do it.
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I feel like that, it's...
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The rest of the world knows.
280
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But for whatever reason,
you're gonna stick to this lie.
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[flutters]
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[woman] The night that the murder
took place,
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we had all been here at Bimbo's--
Dennise, Chuck and I,
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playing darts and doing steak night.
Normal night.
285
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My name is Missy Cook,
and we're at Bimbo's in Houston, Texas.
286
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It's your local watering hole.
287
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Basically an icon dive bar
that's been here for decades.
288
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Dennise was so freaking incredible.
289
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She was one of these people that you met,
290
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,440
and the minute you met her
and you started talking to her,
291
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five minutes into the conversation,
you felt like you've known her forever.
292
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She was your sister, she was your aunt,
293
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she was your best friend,
she was your childhood playmate.
294
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She just had this personability
that you-- you just felt right at home.
295
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Dennise and Chuck
seemed like a very odd couple to me.
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One, because of his age. He was younger.
297
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I can't really say
I remember the first time that I met him.
298
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Because, you know, in the bar business,
you got 50 people in your face.
299
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If I had to speculate
about me and my age and the timeframe,
300
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I thought, "Damn, he's cute."
301
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But I think, also, that the other side
of that was I realized very quickly,
302
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"There's-- something's not right
with that one. Keep an eye on him."
303
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I did have her come in to the bar one time
with a black eye late at night
304
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and talk to me and was like,
"Look, this is what he did."
305
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And the bar was dark.
I was like, "What are you talking about?"
306
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She's like, "Look,
I've got a lot of makeup on, but..."
307
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I was like, "Holy shit,
what are you doing?
308
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What are you doing with this guy?
309
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Get away from him. He's a loose cannon.
He drinks too much, he's doing cocaine.
310
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Get away from this guy."
311
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And she's like, "I know.
I need to, I need to, I need to."
312
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-[bottles clanking]
-[indistinct chatter]
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[Cook] I was uneasy
314
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because I knew Dennise
was trying to set boundaries with Chuck.
315
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Who knew this was gonna happen? [crickets chirping]
316
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[man] We're outside
of the crime scene, actually.
317
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Dennise lived
in this subdivision behind us.
318
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My name is Jim Kelly.
319
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I owned, uh, a restaurant
320
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where Darren was working
as a bartender for me that night.
321
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,960
My understanding
was that Dennise was through with Chuck.
322
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As a matter of fact,
I know she was through with Chuck
323
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because she told me herself
that she was done.
324
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,160
Oh, she had dumped Chuck
because he was-- remember-- I remember her saying,
"He was just a creep."
325
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And then she met Darren.
And they were the exact opposite.
326
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,720
If you could put this guy here
and this guy here,
327
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,240
you got an achiever and you got a loser.
328
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,440
Darren was very outgoing,
he was very friendly.
329
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He had a great smile, and...
330
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you know, and he was going places.
331
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,240
They'd only been together
just a few short weeks
332
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,240
when this happened.
333
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,760
That night,
Darren was working as my bartender,
334
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,880
and he called me up and asked me...
335
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,240
you know, he said
that Chuck had threatened Dennise
336
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,800
and wanted to go over
to the place and see,
337
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,400
you know, protect her if--
if he showed up.
338
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,680
And I said, "Okay, go ahead."
339
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Uh, which, you know, to this day,
I-- I regret that decision.
340
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Darren went over,
341
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,680
and they had a physical confrontation.
342
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,440
Darren whooped him,
from what I understand.
343
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And then he, uh... he said,
"Chuck, you know, this is stupid
344
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,640
'cause she's not gonna date you,
she's dating me.
345
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,840
And, uh, will you drink a beer with me?"
346
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,200
This is what he told me on the phone.
347
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,800
Chuck agreed. And they talked things out.
348
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,160
After the confrontation with Chuck,
349
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,320
Darren called me and he felt really good
about what had happened.
350
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,120
He felt like, you know, Chuck and him
had had an agreement,
351
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,800
and he felt like that, you know,
that it was over
352
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,480
and that Chuck was gonna go his way
353
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,280
and Dennise and Darren
were gonna go his way.
354
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,400
And obviously, that didn't happen.
355
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,000
You know, my understanding
is that Chuck left
356
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,640
and he came back,
uh, knocked down the door.
357
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,000
And, uh, Darren answered the door
and he, uh, just shot him in the chest.
358
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,840
[gunshot]
359
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,600
Then walked around,
and shot him in the back of the head.
360
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,120
[gunshot]
361
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,160
And then proceeded to chase,
uh, Dennise around the apartment
362
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,520
and, uh, caught her
and blew the whole front of her face off.
363
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,800
[gunshot]
364
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,400
When I got here, Dennise was still here.
365
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,280
They were-- they were
actually life-flighting her out of here.
366
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,880
Um, Darren, uh, was just inside the door.
367
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,920
Um, I could-- I could see him
laying on the ground.
368
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,480
And the sheriff said, you know,
"He's dead. He's gone."
369
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,440
And I... I just turned away.
370
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,960
You know, in retrospect,
now knowing what happened,
371
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,320
what type of a person does it take
to shake someone's hand, go away,
372
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,920
and then come back hours later
and just murder two people?
373
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,040
How-- what type of a person can do that?
374
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,960
[faint sirens whooping]
375
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,440
[Rodgers] This is where
he's kicking in the door, right?
376
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,000
Yeah, he splintered the door here.
377
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,000
I remember this being shown, uh,
during the original trial.
378
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,960
My name is Harrell Rodgers,
379
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,520
and I was a juror
in the trial of Charles Thompson
380
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,840
for the capital murder of two people.
381
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:06,160
We didn't see a lot of these pictures
of the damage done to Dennise.
382
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,840
And really, I don't remember this
383
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,040
being, uh, a large part
of the deliberations of the jury.
384
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,200
The jurors, I think,
had pretty well accepted the fact
385
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,680
that if he had not shot her
in the face like this,
386
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,320
uh, she would not have died.
387
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,320
And so, he was guilty of taking her life.
388
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:37,160
Our primary issue was whether this guy
was a continuing threat to society.
389
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,000
And there were other things
that came up in the course of the trial
390
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,360
that convinced us that this guy
was really a very dangerous person.
391
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,680
One of the most striking things
in the trial
392
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,560
was the testimony of Diane Zernia.
393
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,159
[Thompson] It happened so fast.
394
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,040
I remember us fighting
395
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,640
and the gun going off, and she got hit.
396
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,600
She got in the middle of us fighting
and got shot in the mouth.
397
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,000
And then I checked her
and I thought she was dead.
398
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,880
I ran, I left. I freaked out.
399
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:41,000
[Rodgers] Uh, these are not the facts
that Diane Zernia presented at trial.
400
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,640
The testimony was that in telling Diane
401
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,759
how Dennise Hayslip got shot,
402
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,159
he said that he said to Dennise,
403
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,000
"I can shoot you, too, bitch,"
404
00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:00,040
and put a pistol up to her jaw
and pulled the trigger.
405
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,600
Diane was the most frightened person
I've ever seen
406
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,280
uh, on... on a stand, uh,
or anywhere else.
407
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,000
I mean, she was a very thin lady
to begin with
408
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,840
and she was just pale.
409
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,440
Her eyes were as big as a silver dollar
and she was scared to death.
410
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,320
She was frightened of this guy.
411
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,520
[cassette clicks]
412
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,160
[man on recording]
Okay, today's date is, uh, July 7th, 1998.
413
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:06,480
The time is 5:45 p.m.
414
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,760
I'm gonna be walking across
to make contact with a Charles Thompson,
415
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,800
reference to a solicitation
for capital murder.
416
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,720
-[gate opening]
-[muffled footsteps]
417
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,160
[man] Charles Thompson?
418
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,880
[Thompson] Hey, dude.
419
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,400
-[man] You're Thompson?
-Yeah.
420
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,000
[man] Okay. I've been waiting
about 10 minutes.
421
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,040
How long does it take to get y'all here?
422
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,720
-[Thompson] Sometimes it takes a while.
-[man] Okay.
423
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,040
Uh, well, I tell you, I'm not too crazy
about having to come to jail.
424
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,760
You know? I don't think that's cool...
425
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,960
[Hayslip] Entrapment, I believe,
is, uh, the technical term,
426
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,480
an individual was sent undercover
into his jail cell
427
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,400
and was able to, um,
secure information from Chuck.
428
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,640
[Thompson] I was reading the paper today.
429
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,880
In order for a grand jury
to give an indictment,
430
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,640
they usually pull their witnesses in
for testimony. There's a witness in this case
I need you to take care of.
431
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,240
[man] Okay, when you--
when you say "take care of," uh...
432
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,480
[man] I thought-- I thought this guy,
Max, was gonna kill her?
433
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,400
[Thompson] He's fucking me around,
so he didn't do it.
434
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,800
I've already given this Max guy
some money and he fucked me over.
435
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:12,760
[man] How much have you given?
436
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,520
[Thompson] A hundred and twenty-five.
Like a down payment.
437
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,200
[man] Is this that girl
you said you wanted to kill?
438
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,080
-[Thompson] Yeah.
-All right, uh...
439
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,640
[Thompson] I need you to get rid of her.
She's the state's witness.
440
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,120
-She's the only witness they've got.
-[man] Okay.
441
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,640
How hard would it be for me to find
this chick to go ahead and knock her off?
442
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,560
[Thompson] Not hard.
Here's her address right here.
443
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,520
You got a pen?
444
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,440
[man] No. I can remember it.
Okay, let's do this, then.
445
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,920
So, Thompson tells him,
"I need you to kill the witnesses,
446
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,280
the-- the people
to whom I have confessed."
447
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,640
You're sitting in a jury
and what do you hear?
448
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,800
Drunken jerk comes into a house,
449
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,480
kills one guy, shoots another one
who subsequently dies,
450
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,680
admits to it and then tries
to get the witnesses killed.
451
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,800
Do you care about anything else?
452
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,080
-[Thompson] Hell, yeah.
-What are we talking about?
453
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,160
-How much?
-[Thompson] Name your price.
454
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,600
[man] All right.
Well, if you've got the address,
455
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,480
okay, I'll kill her for 1500.
456
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,760
Okay, I've gotta--
I've gotta memorize this now.
457
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,920
[indistinct chatter]
458
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,440
[man] Diane Zernia? Z-E-R-N...
459
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,920
Diane Zernia. Diane, Diane, Diane Zernia.
460
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,920
So, where's this located at?
Which is that?
461
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,360
[Thompson]
[bleeps] neighborhood. It's off [bleeps].
462
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,360
[man] Okay, I know it.
463
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,720
[Thompson] Here,
it's a Victorian-style house
464
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,040
and the mailbox
is black-and-white spotted,
465
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,240
painted like a cow.
466
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,560
She's about 48, 50 years old.
467
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,320
She's a mother.
She's got a 14-year-old daughter.
468
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,680
[man] Okay. And when you get out now,
it's 1500 bucks.
469
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,000
-[Thompson] Not a problem.
-All right?
470
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,120
[man] I'm gonna come after you
if you don't pay me.
471
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,320
I'll-- I'll pay you, man.
I give you my word.
472
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,240
[man] Okay, the bitch is dead.
473
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,560
[Thompson] Only thing a man's got
in this world is his word.
474
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,640
[man] Yeah, that's it.
So stand on it, all right?
475
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:04,640
-[Thompson] No problem, buddy.
-All right. [man] Later. I'm outta here.
476
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:08,520
[player stops]
477
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,280
[Rodgers] This was, uh,
a real turning point for me.
478
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,240
We thought a lot about the fact
479
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:26,440
that if somebody had been successful
in carrying out this murder for him,
480
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,720
he would have had no remorse whatsoever
that we could see.
481
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,600
He would have been elated
to get rid of her.
482
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,040
This is the first time
I started thinking about, "Wait a minute.
483
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:45,360
Maybe life in jail
is not the right decision for this guy."
484
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:50,400
That this was a guy
capable of doing enormous evil.
485
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,080
[woman] I don't know how you ever murder
somebody just in the moment.
486
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,920
I don't care how angry.
487
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,920
I don't know.
Some people have that in them, though.
488
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,480
My name is Kristen Merttens.
I was the foreman on the jury
489
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,240
for Charles Victor Thompson's retrial.
490
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,640
We were not deciding guilt or innocence,
we were deciding his punishment--
491
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,200
whether or not to give him life
492
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,720
or sentence him again
to the death penalty.
493
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,600
The defense did target pretty heavily
494
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,640
that she had died six days later
in the hospital.
495
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,120
To me, that was irrelevant.
Um, he had shot her in the face.
496
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,880
And he did murder somebody first.
497
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,320
I think Darren was lost in the case.
498
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:37,000
I don't think that his death
was brought up as much as Dennise's was.
499
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,120
And I feel bad for his family.
500
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,640
I wholeheartedly believe
that he went there to kill Darren
501
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:51,480
and he went there to kill Dennise.
502
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,080
Darren was more of a hands-off,
503
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,400
"I just want to take him
out of the picture."
504
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,960
And I think he made it very personal
when he killed Dennise.
505
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,120
[Merttens]
I think for somebody like Chuck,
506
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,400
he's narcissistic,
he really enjoys the attention.
507
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,720
I think if he were to have
a life sentence,
508
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,600
it would be a gift to him
because of his personality
509
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,840
and because of his makeup.
510
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,680
I distinctly remember
after the verdict was read
511
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,280
and we were back in the deliberation room,
512
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,640
the judge comes in and speaks with us,
the prosecution does, et cetera.
513
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:51,720
And I remember asking the question,
514
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,160
"Is there any possible way, you know,
he's gonna be able to get out?
515
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,040
You know, my name's public, et cetera."
There's always a concern.
516
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,320
The judge says, "Oh, that's ridiculous.
No, he's on death row now."
517
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,960
And then four days later,
I find out that he escaped.
518
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,800
[Hayslip] "Search goes nationwide
for escaped Texas inmate."
519
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,040
This little snippet right here.
520
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,800
[Hayslip] I was at work
and I, uh, got a call in the parking lot.
521
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,560
Believe it was somebody
from the district attorney's office
522
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,320
was informing me
that-- that Charles Thompson had escaped.
523
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,880
Did I feel safe?
524
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,840
You know, would I feel better
with any type of, um, police escort?
525
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,320
That type of thing.
526
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,160
And, uh, I said no.
I-I didn't necessarily feel threatened.
527
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,040
"To many death row inmates,
Charles Victor Thompson
528
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,720
who walked out the front door
of the Harris County Jail
529
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,160
and was free for four days
before his re-capture in Louisiana
530
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:16,840
will remain a manipulative, selfish,
directionless person
531
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,200
who shot and killed his ex-girlfriend
and her new boyfriend."
532
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,400
You know, the one thing
that stood out [soft chuckle] about this
533
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:35,040
is that he goes to this great plot
to escape...
534
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,520
and succeeds.
535
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,840
And then he gets caught
'cause he got drunk at a liquor store,
536
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,760
or gas station, or some type
of convenience store in Louisiana.
537
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,920
You're telling me that he hopped
on a train, did all this stuff,
538
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,240
managed to walk out of a jail,
but he gets drunk and they catch him?
539
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,000
At that moment, I go, "What an idiot."
540
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,120
But, I-- you know, maybe that's not fair,
541
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,000
because I wouldn't know...
542
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,560
I don't know what it's like to be
on the run.
543
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,560
And, um, I don't know
what it's like to be in jail
544
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,120
for, at that point, ten years.
545
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,680
[chains jangling]
546
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,400
[Hayslip] It doesn't surprise me at all
that he was able
547
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,880
to talk his way out of anything.
548
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,440
-[keys jangling]
-[door lock clicking]
549
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,120
He was charming, and cunning,
and very manipulative.
550
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,320
Chuck is quite the artist at manipulation.
551
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,160
[silent]
Thank you.
552
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,160
Hello.
553
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,400
I'm doing good.
554
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,560
No surprises today?
555
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,800
[laughs]
556
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,200
Well, my life's an open book. [laughs]
557
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,560
Charles Victor Thompson walked out
the front door of the Harris County Jail
558
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,920
and was free for four days
before his recapture in Louisiana.
559
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Our primary issue was whether this guy
was a continuing threat to society.
560
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:38,720
[chuckles]
561
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,200
I think I kinda debunked
"future threat to society." I was running around in the free world
for four days.
562
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,200
I walked past little old ladies
in front of-- of shopping centers
563
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,360
getting out of their cars,
I didn't carjack them.
564
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,200
I didn't rob anybody,
I didn't assault anybody,
565
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,240
I didn't hurt anybody.
566
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,960
But if you listen
to any capital death penalty trial,
567
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,480
they-- they drill it into the jury's head,
"He's a future threat. He'll kill again."
568
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,080
My understanding was that Dennise
was through with Chuck.
569
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,360
As a matter of fact,
I know she was through with Chuck
570
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,520
because she told me herself
that she was done.
571
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,800
And that was even before she started
dating Darren.
572
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,360
Yeah, that sounds right.
I'm sure she did tell him that.
573
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,760
But, you know, we broke up,
got back together, broke up,
574
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,080
got back together,
and dated other people. We had that...
575
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,000
I don't know what you call it.
Couldn't leave each other alone?
576
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,680
We kept coming back to each other.
577
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,160
Who knows? She probably
would have come and visited me in prison.
578
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,680
She was that kind of lady.
579
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:52,360
If I was intentionally going to do this,
as they said,
580
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,920
why would I call first, you know?
581
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,640
I went to the pay phone, I called her.
582
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:00,320
I told her I have to come
and get my work stuff.
583
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:01,800
She said, "I'm trying to sleep."
584
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,480
I said, "Is Darren there?" She said, "No."
585
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,000
I said, "I'll be there in five minutes,"
and I hung up.
586
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,640
She went back to sleep.
587
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,800
I went back in the bedroom
588
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,000
and started getting clothes
and stuff out of the-- out of the dresser,
589
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,240
and she sat up in bed and goes,
[gasps] "Oh, my God."
590
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,000
Then I realize there was somebody
laying in bed next to her.
591
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,400
'Cause I was...
I wasn't trying to wake her up.
592
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,160
I was just getting my stuff.
I told her I was coming.
593
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,280
[mutters] You know,
when I seen him there, I'm like,
594
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,880
that's when I started in on her.
595
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,920
"Oh, my God," you know.
Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. We had words.
596
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,320
An individual was sent undercover
into his jail cell
597
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,560
and was able to, um,
secure information from Chuck.
598
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,200
They were friends, and yet he tried
to hire someone to murder her
599
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,680
just because he did not want her
to testify at trial.
600
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,200
It's embarrassing. What can I say?
601
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,480
I was a confused drug addict, you know?
602
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,480
An alcoholic that made a bad decision
603
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,560
and another bad decision
and another bad decision.
604
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,360
You know, I was upset
that Diane changed her statement.
605
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,360
I felt that she was lying.
606
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,760
But yeah, it's...
it's nothing I wanna talk about, really.
607
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,680
I wished it never happened.
608
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,280
I mean, it's-- it's just a bad situation
all the way around.
609
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,040
I've never wished Diane any harm.
610
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,600
[Hayslip] I don't harbor anger at all.
611
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,640
I do feel that
612
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:43,000
what is to come with the death penalty
613
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,840
is appropriate and just.
614
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,480
I mean, to carry a torch
for somebody to die for 20 years?
615
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,320
That's, you know, okay.
616
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:01,760
I mean, you know. [laughs]
617
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:02,920
I don't--
618
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,120
I-- I couldn't hate somebody that long.
619
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,600
It's not in my-- not in my blood.