1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,280 [somber instrumental music plays] 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,280 [woman] I'm so sorry. 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,520 I wish I could change things and go back in time and... 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,920 just not have any guns in the house at all. 5 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,440 [music intensifies] 6 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,240 I hope someday that I can get out. 7 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,920 But I know that I took a life and I got to pay for that. 8 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,680 And um, I'm so sorry that I did it. 9 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,360 And uh, if I could bring him back, I would. 10 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,280 But I can't bring him back. 11 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,560 [music crescendos] 12 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,840 [eerie instrumental music plays] 13 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,920 [somber instrumental music plays] 14 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,320 Should my hair be behind me or in front of me? 15 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,080 I think it should be in front of you. 16 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,320 My name is Victoria Smith. 17 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,360 I was convicted of first-degree murder. 18 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,240 My sentence was, uh, life 19 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,240 plus 25 years. 20 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,520 [downbeat melodic music plays] 21 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,560 I grew up in, uh, Poplar Bluff, Missouri. 22 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,600 I have, uh, eight siblings. 23 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:52,840 Two have passed, 24 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:56,800 and uh, the main two I was close to was Roxie and Betty. 25 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,760 I'm really close to Betty. 26 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,080 She's my baby sister. 27 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:08,920 I was slow growing up. 28 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,680 Uh, like, learning disabilities. 29 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,360 I had learning disabilities 30 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:14,600 and I wasn't mentally right. 31 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,520 I've always had problems. 32 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,600 You know, I'm average or below average education. 33 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,920 My mom raised us on Social Security. 34 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,440 I don't know who my father was. My mother never told... 35 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,880 Well, she told me that it could have been a riverboat captain 36 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,200 or a man that worked on the riverboat, 37 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,520 but it was never confirmed. 38 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,160 But I felt my mom had a tough love. 39 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,640 I called it tough love, 40 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,680 and uh, it made me a stronger person. 41 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,480 I think that I wouldn't be as strong as I was 42 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,560 if it wasn't have been for my mother. 43 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,200 I don't like to put my mother down, 44 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,960 but she had a drinking problem when we was growing up, 45 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:21,280 and, uh, when she would drink, she would take everything out on me. 46 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:25,040 She would kick me and hit me with her fists, 47 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,080 and pull my hair and... 48 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,280 I mean, just physical abuse, you know. 49 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,480 It was at least two or three times a week. 50 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,200 That's pretty much how I was raised, 51 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:39,120 up until I was 15. 52 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,560 And then I went and moved to Louisiana with my older sister Goldie. 53 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,320 [music intensifies] 54 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,760 [melodic instrumental music plays] 55 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:10,040 He was a big baby. 56 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:12,920 He was 23.5 inches long. 57 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,200 He weighed 8 pounds, 10.5 ounces, 58 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:18,880 and I just thought he was the greatest thing. 59 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,680 He was just everything, 60 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:25,880 everything to me. 61 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,800 [birds and insects chirping] 62 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,200 His father, during the whole, I'd say he... He... 63 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:36,400 He abused me a lot. 64 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,800 He... He was an alcoholic too. 65 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,360 I mean, it was normal for me to be abused. 66 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,960 He would choke me and, you know, punch me. 67 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,600 And it seems like every relationship that I've ever been in, um, 68 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,040 it's been abuse. 69 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,760 There's been a lot of abuse... 70 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:52,720 [inhales sharply] 71 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,080 ...and, um, it's hard. 72 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,960 It really was. It was hard. 73 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,080 [sniffles] 74 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:06,240 [moody melodic music plays] 75 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,800 I wanted to protect Kenny from the world. 76 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,880 And I definitely didn't want him to be abused or anything. 77 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,480 I wanted to make sure that he had a good life. 78 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,640 And he wouldn't have had that if I'd have stayed with his father. 79 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,200 I started working full-time, 80 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:00,560 and my mom started taking care of my son. 81 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,480 I liked to go out on the weekends. And, you know, I was a single person. 82 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,040 Because I went through a stage of a drinking problem too. 83 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,960 And uh, I should have been more at home with my son. 84 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,440 My mother thought that I could have been a better mother. 85 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,120 Uh, she, uh, made me sign a paper 86 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,480 saying that he... she was had full custody of him 87 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,120 or I could no long... we could no longer live with her. 88 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:42,960 It broke my heart. 89 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,960 It really did. It broke my heart. 90 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,880 It just made me feel like, uh... 91 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,720 I was losing my child. 92 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,920 I really lost it a little bit. 93 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,480 And, in my mind, um... 94 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,680 I started drinking more and, uh... 95 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,160 I started taking, uh, pills 96 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,480 and stuff that I shouldn't be doing. 97 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,400 [somber melodic music plays] 98 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,760 I was 34 years old, when me and Chris started dating. He was 30. 99 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,240 And, uh, it was a good relationship as we started out because he didn't drink. 100 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,560 He was pretty, pretty gentle at the beginning. 101 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,320 And he was a very good-looking man. 102 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:43,800 We had a lot of fun. 103 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:50,280 [birds chirp] 104 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,080 [melodic music plays] 105 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,680 Chris worked for a private company. 106 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,920 And, uh, he hurt his back from the, the labor that he had to do. 107 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,520 After that, he started taking opioids. 108 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,280 [grim music plays] 109 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:27,680 He changed. 110 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,600 He started becoming more aggressive. 111 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,280 There's times I had to go to the hospital, 112 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,200 where he had shoved me into, like, coffee tables and stuff like that. 113 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,840 And I had broken ribs. 114 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,520 Several times I had to call my sister 115 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,280 because I thought he... he was basically gonna kill me. 116 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,280 And I was always scared that something like that may happen. 117 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,560 [music intensifies] 118 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,720 [tense music plays] 119 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,160 I pretty much ran the household. 120 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,080 Paid the bills, cooked the meals. 121 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,960 And I couldn't do those things as well as I could. 122 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,280 I tried, but I was too weak. 123 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,680 [music intensifies] 124 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,240 Chris was mad because I couldn't do the things I used to do. 125 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:31,120 He got way more aggressive. 126 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,800 I mean, it was to the point where he was like a madman at times. 127 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,240 Between the medications 128 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,640 and the stress that I was under, and... from not sleeping, 129 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:44,760 Uh... 130 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,360 I was hallucinating. 131 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,480 And, uh, it was really getting bad, 132 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,640 and I was ready to leave. I was ready. I was, 133 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,120 I was in the process of getting my things out of the home, 134 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,320 getting rid of what I didn't need, 135 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,760 and um, um... 136 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,880 when the incident happened. 137 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,040 [music crescendos] 138 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,680 [grim instrumental music plays] 139 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,800 This is what I remember. 140 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,480 I was laying down, but I was awake. 141 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,360 And I went to the kitchen. 142 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,320 I was gonna get... grab a pack of cigarettes, and um... 143 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,120 [music intensifies] 144 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,040 I didn't grab the cigarettes. I grabbed a pistol. 145 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,120 Something told me to end him. 146 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,240 [tense music plays] 147 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,120 Chris was sleeping. He was asleep on the couch. 148 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,680 The time I shot him. 149 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,560 [gunshots ringing] 150 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,280 [gunshots continue] 151 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,000 And that's the last I remember. 152 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,120 [somber instrumental music plays] 153 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,320 [sniffles] 154 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,360 [grim music plays] 155 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,440 [somber melodic music plays] 156 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,320 [woman 1] You and Chris used to ride that big, old tricycle 157 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:18,880 off the high side of that porch... 158 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,000 [man] Yeah, we'd jump 'em back here, though. 159 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,040 [woman 1] Yes, then you boys would be out there and get your boots 160 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,640 stuck in the cow patties. 161 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,040 [laughter] 162 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,000 [woman 2] I remember one time that I think Kenny and Millie saw her. 163 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,520 [woman 1] And even though Chris isn't here with us, 164 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,800 we've still got all of our good memories of him. 165 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,440 - [man] Yep. - [woman 1] He's living on through us, so... 166 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:44,560 [sniffles] 167 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,880 This is Chris whenever he was a baby, 168 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,080 and that's Kay, and Billy, and that's me. [sniffles] 169 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,560 [woman 2] We called him Kojak. 170 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,120 - Yes. He was bald-headed. - [man] Yeah. [laughs] 171 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,840 Is that how he got his name? 172 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,640 - Because of his bald head? - Yes. 173 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,760 - [woman 1] Didn't Daddy make that name up? - Yes. 174 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,000 [woman 1] He was a sweet little boy growing up. 175 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,440 He just loved everybody. He was just full of life. 176 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,000 [indistinct conversation] 177 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,440 I am Cathy Colbert, and Chris Isaac was my little brother. 178 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,760 There were eight of us all together. 179 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,800 Five girls and three boys. 180 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,320 [photos rustling] 181 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,680 Here's a graduation picture of him when he graduated from Puxico High School. 182 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,840 And, um, we were so proud to see him graduate 183 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,240 because Chris had learning disabilities. 184 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,440 And, um, for him to graduate, 185 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,440 it was just a really good day for all of us. [sniffles] 186 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,920 The best way to describe him is a big loving teddy bear 187 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,240 because that's what he was. 188 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,160 - Gentle. - Yes. 189 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,480 Yeah. Very gentle. 190 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,040 [Cathy] I was working at the time, 191 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,920 and, um, I had a phone call. 192 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,920 The gal out at the office came out and told me, 193 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,600 "Cathy, you need to come..." 194 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,080 I'm sorry. 195 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:09,640 [sniffles] 196 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,640 "You need to come take this phone call." 197 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:13,560 [sniffles] 198 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,240 "It's very important." 199 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,080 I said, "Well, what is it?" [sniffles] 200 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,400 She said, "I can't tell you." I said, "Is it...?" 201 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:21,800 [sniffles] "Is it bad?" 202 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,240 "Just tell me if it's bad." 203 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,160 [sniffles] 204 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,480 And she said, "Yeah." 205 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,040 [sniffles] 206 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:29,960 It was my sister Gina. 207 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,680 [sniffles] She said, um, "Chris is dead." 208 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,040 [sniffles] 209 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,160 "Vicky shot him." 210 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,320 [sniffles] I'm sorry. 211 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:40,440 [sniffles] 212 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,560 It didn't make any sense at all 213 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,360 because I knew they had... 214 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,200 they had some troubles, you know, 215 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,600 and most couples do have some troubles. 216 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,800 But, I mean, it just really blew my mind, you know, when, 217 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,800 when we found out she was the one who killed him. 218 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,440 I couldn't believe it. 219 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,440 That wasn't the Vicky we knew. 220 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,360 There's just so many unanswered questions, you know. 221 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,600 So many unanswered questions. [sniffles] 222 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,160 [woman 2] I felt like a double whammy that day 223 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,680 because I was so close to Vicky, 224 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,400 and still to this day, it breaks my heart, 225 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,040 because, I mean, I loved her like one of my sisters. 226 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,200 We all did. 227 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,160 I don't know what happened. 228 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,040 [sighs] 229 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,880 [sniffles] 230 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,880 [sighs] 231 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,480 [insects chirping] 232 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,040 [grim instrumental music plays] 233 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,560 [music intensifies] 234 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,760 [woman] There are no sure things, 235 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,880 especially with a criminal investigation. 236 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,040 You better make sure that you've looked in every corner 237 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:32,880 because you don't know what's hiding around it. 238 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,040 My name is Betty Frizzell. 239 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,680 I started out as a deputy sheriff 240 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,680 in a little county not too far from Poplar Bluff. 241 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,760 And then, eventually, became a chief of police. 242 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,120 I've been studying the Chris Isaac case for years, 243 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,000 probably since the day it happened. 244 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,720 I didn't work directly on the case. 245 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,920 'Cause I didn't want to get involved. 246 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,400 I wanted to live my nice little life in St. Louis. 247 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,080 But I became involved because I had reservations 248 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,400 that Victoria did the actual shooting. 249 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,720 I know when Victoria is lying. 250 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,040 Because I'm Victoria's sister. 251 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,120 [music intensifies] 252 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,080 This is the house that we bought, 253 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,240 and I was a grade-school girl and Vicky was a... 254 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:45,960 a teenager. 255 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,440 I had the back bedroom, and Vicky had the middle bedroom, 256 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,120 and Mom had the front bedroom. 257 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,320 [birds chirping] 258 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,720 It brings, like, a lot of feelings of sadness. 259 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,800 A lot of broken dreams. 260 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,680 It's like a... a monument to Vicky's life. 261 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,000 [quavers] Tries to look pretty, but it's still very damaged. 262 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,880 [somber instrumental music plays] 263 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:26,480 My earliest memory is Vicky getting in trouble... 264 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,440 [inhales] 265 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,240 ...and my mom was mad a lot, 266 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,440 especially if she'd been drinking. 267 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,680 Vicky had a slower intellect 268 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,120 and didn't know how to control her behavior. 269 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:42,680 [swallows] 270 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,800 Vicky was the first time I ever seen anything bleed. 271 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,000 [inhales] 272 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,720 And it was not just 273 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:50,960 a... a spanking. 274 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:56,760 It was fist, and it was hair-pulling and kicking. 275 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,880 Just like if she was getting in a bar fight, 276 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:04,720 but with this little, 11-year-old girl. 277 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,840 Vicky would take every bit of beating that my mom would throw out. 278 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,680 If my mom was hitting me, Vicky would try to make her mad 279 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,640 so that she would deflect her attention onto her. 280 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:25,280 She protected me because she wanted me to have the life that I have now. 281 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:26,720 [sobs] 282 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,080 [sniffles] 283 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,160 I think Vicky's one of the most self-sacrificing people I've ever met. 284 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:53,600 [eerie music plays] 285 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,280 I don't believe Victoria killed Chris. 286 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,800 I believe it was somebody else. 287 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,800 [music intensifies] 288 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,280 I believe it was my nephew Kenny. 289 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,400 [music intensifies] 290 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,320 This is not just an open and shut case of two opioid addicts, 291 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,200 that one decided to kill the other. 292 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,880 I believe the police fell into the trap of tunnel vision. 293 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,000 "She said she did it. Case closed." 294 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,560 I've worked many cases where people made false confessions. 295 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,760 People make false confessions all the time. 296 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,040 [grim instrumental music plays] 297 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,080 [muffled police radio chatter] 298 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,416 [officer] You wanna make sure your investigation's done properly 299 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,280 because a lot of times, it's not as simple as it looks. 300 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,000 But in this case, it was. 301 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,800 [music intensifies] 302 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,200 My name's Andrew Holden. 303 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,840 I am currently the Chief Deputy at Stoddard County Sheriff's Department. 304 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,560 I was one of the investigators in this homicide investigation. 305 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,280 Everything we looked at, 306 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:59,040 all the evidence, all the interviews that we done, 307 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,240 led right back to that initial 911 call. 308 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,200 [phone speed dialing] 309 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,480 [ringing] 310 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,440 [operator] 911, what is your emergency? 311 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,000 [Victoria] I'm at 365 North Church Street. I just killed my husband. 312 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,240 [operator] You just killed your husband? 313 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,760 [Victoria] Yeah, I shot him six times, and 12 times in the head. 314 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,680 My name's Victoria Isaac. 315 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,600 [operator] What... What's the address? 316 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,200 She called and said that she had shot her husband, 317 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,960 and when we walked in and seen that, 318 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,800 it was pretty obvious that's what had happened. 319 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,320 [music intensifies] 320 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,280 [cryptic instrumental music plays] 321 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,240 The spatter on her face was visible. 322 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,640 I mean, you could walk up to her and see the little specks of blood. 323 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,000 It wasn't anything you really had to search for. 324 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,120 It was obvious. 325 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,000 We collected what was called GSR, 326 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,720 which is gunshot residue. 327 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,200 And that's... that's normal to collect 328 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,560 in any... any shooting you have. 329 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,760 Victoria tested positive for gunshot residue. 330 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,240 [music intensifies] 331 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,720 Another piece of evidence we found was a piece of paper 332 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,120 that was Victoria's last will and testament, 333 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,760 where she was basically giving her possessions away to other people. 334 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,120 So that appeared that she did intend on killing herself. 335 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,440 I really believe the ultimate plan, in this case, 336 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,880 was a murder-suicide, 337 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,920 but something changed her mind, uh, to keep her from killing herself. 338 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,040 [muffled recording plays] 339 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,960 I don't know why she killed him for certain. 340 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,520 That's one of the questions that we'd like to answer if we can. 341 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,280 [officer] Can you put your hands out again for me, please? Thank you. 342 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:01,000 [Andrew] I personally never got that "why" answered. 343 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,520 [officer] Can you turn them over for me? Thank you. 344 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,760 Because the case is really so simple. 345 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,560 [blues-style music plays] 346 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,120 [Betty] Some police say they did a good job and might believe they did. 347 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,120 Maybe they can go home at night and sleep with that, but I can't. 348 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,120 Because I took an oath a long time ago to uphold justice. 349 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,080 And my sister did not get served justice in this. 350 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,400 I was surprised when Victoria told me 351 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,280 that Kenny was moving in with her and Chris. 352 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:58,680 [grim music plays] 353 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,360 They have had such a tumultuous relationship. 354 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,160 Vicky always wanted to be his mom. 355 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,560 He saw her more as a big sister. 356 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,360 Then when she married Chris, Kenny didn't see him as a stepfather. 357 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,440 So you had these eschewed relationships to begin with. 358 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,800 Kenny always exhibited some behavior that was not rational. 359 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,240 A short time before the murder, 360 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,240 Chris and Kenny had got into a physical altercation, 361 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,440 where Kenny ended up having a black eye. 362 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,240 I knew Kenny's personality. 363 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,920 Kenny didn't let anybody get anything over on him. 364 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,760 My mom had instilled that in his mind. 365 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,320 How dare someone who's inferior, such as Chris, 366 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,000 punch him and leave a black eye on him? 367 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,240 How dare he? 368 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,920 Revenge was the motive for this murder. 369 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,840 I believe what happened, 370 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,440 Kenny sees Chris laying there on the couch, defenseless, 371 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,920 goes and finds the old 22mm gun, 372 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,520 loads it and starts shooting Chris. 373 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,040 [music crescendos] 374 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,000 Vicky wakes up and hears this, 375 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,800 and then the last four rounds, 376 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,360 she's either struggling with Kenny with that gun, 377 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,920 or she talks Kenny out of it and throws the gun. 378 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,040 [music intensifies] 379 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,040 I don't believe Victoria shot any of those bullets. 380 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,600 Victoria, she's a protector of the people she loves. 381 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,960 She called 911 and confessed, and stuck to that story. 382 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,280 [music intensifies] 383 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,160 This is a way of paying penance for being a bad mom. 384 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,240 And I think that's what she's guilty of. 385 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,040 Being a bad mom, maybe, but not being a murderer. 386 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,840 [music crescendos] 387 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,560 [eerie music plays] 388 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,800 I admit there's no physical evidence to prove Kenny did this. 389 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,640 But if someone's washed up, 390 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,720 or if somebody has changed clothes and washed up, 391 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,720 there's not gonna be any. 392 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,040 [music intensifies] 393 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,280 However, there is tons of circumstantial evidence 394 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,680 that proves my theory. 395 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,520 I've tried to talk to the police before, and I've been shut down numerous times. 396 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,200 I've been told to stay in St. Louis, mind my own business. 397 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,080 I've been threatened with arrest 398 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,840 just for telling the prosecutor that we're gonna appeal Victoria's case. 399 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:32,160 But I'm a woman of faith, and I'll just keep trying. 400 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,880 [blues-style music plays] 401 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,480 [indistinct chatter] 402 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,960 [indistinct chatter continues] 403 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,760 [muffled conversation] 404 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,560 Rosanna... 405 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,680 - Okay. - Yorker. 406 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,600 Okay. 407 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,480 [indistinct chatter] 408 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,560 What spurred me to write the book was the injustice, 409 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,880 the lack of competent police work, 410 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,680 and just my need for the truth. 411 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,040 [indistinct chatter continues] 412 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,720 My ultimate goal is for Victoria to stop perpetuating this lie 413 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,040 that she's told herself, 414 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,800 stop protecting someone who didn't protect her, 415 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,200 and just start moving towards 416 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,960 telling the truth of what really happened that day. 417 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,120 [indistinct conversation] 418 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,520 It's all about my sister. She's, uh, serving life plus 25 years, 419 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,920 um, for a murder that she may or may not have committed. 420 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,040 Now, this... 421 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,720 She has her, uh, version of the story, and this is my version. 422 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,880 So I'd like you to read it and tell me what you think. 423 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,040 What do you think? 424 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,880 [chuckles] You know what I think. 425 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,440 [chuckling] 426 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,320 [indistinct conversation] 427 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,880 Maybe this book would also get the police to look at this case again. 428 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,040 If Vicky would tell really what happened that day 429 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,520 and provide more evidence to what really went on, 430 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,960 maybe it would be reopened. 431 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,800 Maybe she would have a chance to actually have another... a real trial, 432 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,120 not just a plea deal. 433 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,200 [cryptic music plays] 434 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,160 [music intensifies] 435 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,520 [indistinct chatter] 436 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,240 Some people might just think that I am making this up 437 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,520 or don't want to believe that my sister committed this crime, 438 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,680 but there's a 911 call days prior to this murder 439 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,640 in which Kenny tells his intent to kill Chris, 440 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,840 and Vicky, and then himself. 441 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,360 That 911 call, to me, really is the biggest piece of evidence 442 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,960 that proves that he did this. 443 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,040 [music intensifies] 444 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,120 [phone speed dials] 445 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,560 [operator] 911. What is your emergency? 446 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,080 [Kenny] Yeah, ma'am. I need an ambulance. I'm having suicidal, homicidal thoughts. 447 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,280 I'm at the end of my rope. I'm... I'm outside pacing right now. 448 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,480 [operator] All right. Is there anybody there with you? 449 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,400 [Kenny] Yeah, Mom and stepdad. I... 450 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,760 I was having thoughts of killing both, and then myself. 451 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,560 [operator] Okay, I completely... I can understand. 452 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,000 [Kenny] I can't take no more. 453 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,720 [static hum] 454 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,120 My name is Russ Oliver. 455 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,720 I was the prosecuting attorney 456 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,320 in the case of the homicide of Chris Isaac, 457 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440 perpetrated by his wife, Victoria Isaac. 458 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,440 On May 7, a week before the homicide, uh, 459 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,200 Kenneth Smith did call, um, 911 460 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,120 and told them that he was suicidal and homicidal. 461 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,400 I mean, that, that wasn't anything that we ignored. 462 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,680 That was definitely something that we'd go, "Oh." 463 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,240 "Well, let's pay attention to that." All right? 464 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,760 And, and even with that... knowing that, 465 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,240 we still had, had no evidence that pointed that Kenny did anything here. 466 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,040 [cryptic music plays] 467 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,760 The evidence is that Victoria was covered in Chris's blood. 468 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,560 And blood spatter is not something that you can just recreate, right? 469 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,600 Kenneth didn't have any blood spatter. 470 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,080 [music intensifies] 471 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,080 And he didn't have any gunshot residue on his hands. 472 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,000 To say that Kenny did this, 473 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,320 I mean, there is no evidence to support that whatsoever. 474 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,640 I will not be reading Betty's book. 475 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,360 I don't have a lot of spare time, 476 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,640 and I certainly won't be spending my time reading what Betty has to say. 477 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,080 Is it for attention? 478 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,720 Is it, uh... 479 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,720 uh, to get sympathy for her sister? 480 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,800 I... I don't know, 481 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,320 but her sister's not going anywhere. 482 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,240 Her sister shot her husband ten times in the head execution-style. 483 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,160 She's never leaving prison. 484 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,480 What this lady is saying is just rote accusations, 485 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,240 um... 486 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,760 rote speculation 487 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,920 with absolutely no evidence to back it up. 488 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,400 And not even the person who's in prison saying that's what's happened. 489 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,520 That should be a big indication 490 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,440 of how much credibility this should be given. 491 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,040 I do feel for the Isaac family. 492 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,000 What Betty is saying is probably pretty upsetting to them, I'm sure. 493 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,400 They don't deserve any of this. 494 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,760 Re-dealing with all of this. 495 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,400 [blues-style music plays] 496 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,120 [host] Welcome to Let's have a Chat. 497 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,480 So for this episode, I am joined by perhaps one of the most interesting guests 498 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,720 that we have had in our 16 months of shows, Betty Frizzell. 499 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,440 I want folks to read the book. 500 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,160 - I don't want to spoil major details. - [Betty] Okay. 501 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,600 But... Uh, but simply put, you make a pretty strong case 502 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,760 that Kenny and not Vicky, uh, killed Vicky's husband, Chris. 503 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,120 [Betty] I've worked for some small cities, I've worked for some small counties, but... 504 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,440 I've never seen this kind of, you know, unprofessionalism. 505 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,000 It was a comedy of errors. Just because they had a confession that this lady, 506 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,040 you know, supposedly killed her husband and... 507 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,560 What a damn lie. 508 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,680 That's the biggest crock of bullcrap I've ever heard in my life. 509 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,440 [host] Uh, has there been any movement since the book? 510 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,920 It's been out for, what, about close to a month now? 511 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,480 [Betty] No. And as you know... 512 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,240 [Cathy] She needs to let it rest. 513 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:44,080 She needs to think about what it's doing to our family. 514 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,560 [somber music plays] 515 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,160 It's opening up old wounds. 516 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,880 Vicky did it. 517 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,240 Without a doubt in my mind, I think Vicky did it. 518 00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:00,920 She wrote out a statement and confessed to it. 519 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,560 Betty didn't live in this area, 520 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:10,000 and, um, she wasn't around Vicky that much either 521 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,680 for her to write all the stuff in that book. 522 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,800 I don't know where she come up with all of that stuff. 523 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,360 [Betty] ...but I couldn't save Vicky. 524 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,000 I think Betty is crazy, 525 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,520 and I think she's seeking attention. 526 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,920 I don't know how anybody could try to pin a murder 527 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,480 on somebody else, 528 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,880 and it... it makes me sick to my stomach. 529 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,400 [music intensifies] 530 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,680 [grim instrumental music plays] 531 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,640 [indistinct police radio chatter] 532 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:26,560 [radio chatter continues] 533 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:27,720 [beeping] 534 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,960 [Andrew] I don't think Betty necessarily is lying. 535 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,880 But I think sometimes your judgment becomes clouded, 536 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,880 um, even with a law enforcement background or whoever you are 537 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,920 when you're trying to look into a crime that your sibling has committed. 538 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,600 [somber melodic music plays] 539 00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:01,240 I can absolutely understand why Betty would make those claims. 540 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,720 Trying to cast doubt out there, 541 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,640 trying to get her sister out of prison. 542 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,600 And it's not uncommon for family members to, um, 543 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,840 not believe a law enforcement investigation. 544 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,640 And this is true in this case. 545 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,320 At the end of the day, 546 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,440 it doesn't matter what I think, it doesn't matter what Betty thinks. 547 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,920 Until there's new evidence that comes to light 548 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,480 or someone makes a claim or, 549 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,000 or a new statement, 550 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,720 uh, there's really nothing gonna change in this case. 551 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,040 [grim instrumental music plays] 552 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,560 [Victoria] Last time I saw my son was at the courthouse, 553 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,520 and I haven't seen him since or talked to him. 554 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,440 And it hurts. It hurts every day that I can't. 555 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,480 He's in my thoughts daily. 556 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,720 [music intensifies] 557 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,680 Would you mind...? 558 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,480 Yep. I'm fine. 559 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,880 [Victoria] My sister Betty's been there for me when nobody else has. 560 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,560 She's so encouraging. 561 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,640 I feel better after I talk to my sister. 562 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:15,960 I don't feel so alone. 563 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,840 I've read the book. 564 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,840 Um... 565 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,280 Yes, I'm... I'm, uh, I'm aware of what... 566 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,520 what's been said. 567 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,360 [music intensifies] 568 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,320 You know, whether it's true or false, I can't... I can't tell you that, 569 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,960 because, uh, for the simple fact of court matters, 570 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,960 and I could be going back into court someday, 571 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,920 and that... 572 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,000 that could damage what... 573 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,480 what, you know, what, uh, the judge would see. 574 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,360 And that's... You know, I really can't go any further. 575 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,080 [interviewer] In the first interview, you told me you did do it. 576 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,360 Do you want to tell me again, like, who pulled the trigger on that morning? 577 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,160 I could not be accurate on telling you what actually happened 578 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,920 because of the medications. 579 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,040 You know, I was, uh... 580 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,000 That day, I was out of it. 581 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,040 But that... 582 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,880 That's all I got to say about that. 583 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,800 [music intensifies] 584 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,280 [interviewer] Can you tell me if Kenny shot Chris? 585 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,600 Hm... 586 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,000 I don't know. I don't know. I mean, did... I... I don't know. 587 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,480 Did you talk to him, or did somebody talk to him about this? 588 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,240 He was there, I was there, 589 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,360 and, uh... 590 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,320 Everybody's got their own opinion. 591 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,600 And I was in a haze, and... 592 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,120 Uh... 593 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,240 Both me and my son, both know how to... 594 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,560 It was my mother's, uh, gun, 595 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,040 and both of us know, uh, how to use it. 596 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,040 There's a lot of people, not just my sister, 597 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,760 that think my son done it. 598 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,240 Uh... 599 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,720 I can't dispute it, but I can't tell you that he did it. 600 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,320 [interviewer] Do you think it might be upsetting for Kenny 601 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,880 if he is protesting his innocence? 602 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,800 I don't, I don't believe he would be upset, uh, 603 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,720 because he... 604 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,960 He knows the detective side in his aunt. 605 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,960 And, uh, when you have a... 606 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,520 a relative that's in law enforcement, 607 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,400 you know that they're gonna look at every angle. They're gonna dig. 608 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:48,920 So he's... He... 609 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,680 I assume he's just thinking that it's his aunt's detective in her. 610 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:56,240 You know, making sure. 611 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,680 [music intensifies] 612 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,920 [eerie instrumental music plays]