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[somber instrumental music plays]
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[woman] I'm so sorry.
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I wish I could change things
and go back in time and--
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just not have any guns
in the house at all.
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[music intensifies]
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I hope someday that I can get out.
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But I know that I took a life
and I got to pay for that.
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And um, I'm so sorry that I did it.
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And uh, if I could bring him back,
I would.
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But I can't bring him back.
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[music crescendos]
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[eerie instrumental music plays]
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[somber instrumental music plays]
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Should my hair be behind me
or in front of me?
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I think it should be in front of you.
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My name is Victoria Smith.
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I was convicted of first-degree murder.
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My sentence was, uh, life
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plus 25 years.
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[downbeat melodic music plays]
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I grew up in, uh, Poplar Bluff, Missouri.
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I have, uh, eight siblings.
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Two have passed,
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and uh, the main two I was close to
was Roxie and Betty.
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I'm really close to Betty.
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She's my baby sister.
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I was slow growing up.
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Uh, like, learning disabilities.
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I had learning disabilities
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and I wasn't mentally right.
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I've always had problems.
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You know, I'm average
or below average education.
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My mom raised us on Social Security.
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I don't know who my father was.
My mother never told--
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Well, she told me that it could have been
a riverboat captain
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or a man that worked on the riverboat,
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but it was never confirmed.
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But I felt my mom had a tough love.
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I called it tough love,
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and uh, it made me a stronger person.
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I think that I wouldn't be
as strong as I was
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if it wasn't have been for my mother.
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I don't like to put my mother down,
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but she had a drinking problem
when we was growing up,
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and, uh, when she would drink,
she would take everything out on me.
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She would kick me
and hit me with her fists,
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and pull my hair and…
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I mean, just physical abuse, you know.
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It was at least two or three times a week.
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That's pretty much how I was raised,
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up until I was 15.
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And then I went and moved to Louisiana
with my older sister Goldie.
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[melodic instrumental music plays]
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He was a big baby.
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He was 23.5 inches long.
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He weighed 8 pounds, 10.5 ounces,
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and I just thought
he was the greatest thing.
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He was just everything,
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everything to me.
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[birds and insects chirping]
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His father, during the whole,
I'd say he-- He--
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He abused me a lot.
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He-- He was an alcoholic too.
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I mean, it was normal for me to be abused.
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He would choke me and, you know, punch me.
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And it seems like every relationship
that I've ever been in, um,
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it's been abuse.
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There's been a lot of abuse…
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[inhales sharply]
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…and, um, it's hard.
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It really was. It was hard.
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[sniffles]
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[moody melodic music plays]
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I wanted to protect Kenny from the world.
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And I definitely didn't want him
to be abused or anything.
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I wanted to make sure
that he had a good life.
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And he wouldn't have had that
if I'd have stayed with his father.
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I started working full-time,
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and my mom started taking care of my son.
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I liked to go out on the weekends.
And, you know, I was a single person.
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Because I went through a stage
of a drinking problem too.
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And uh, I should have been
more at home with my son.
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My mother thought
that I could have been a better mother.
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Uh, she, uh, made me sign a paper
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saying that he-- she was
had full custody of him
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or I could no long--
we could no longer live with her.
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It broke my heart.
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It really did. It broke my heart.
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It just made me feel like, uh…
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I was losing my child.
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I really lost it a little bit.
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And, in my mind, um…
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I started drinking more and, uh…
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I started taking, uh, pills
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and stuff that I shouldn't be doing.
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[somber melodic music plays]
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I was 34 years old, when me and Chris
started dating. He was 30.
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And, uh, it was a good relationship
as we started out because he didn't drink.
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He was pretty, pretty gentle
at the beginning.
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And he was a very good-looking man.
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We had a lot of fun.
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[birds chirp]
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[melodic music plays]
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Chris worked for a private company.
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And, uh, he hurt his back
from the, the labor that he had to do.
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After that, he started taking opioids.
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[grim music plays]
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He changed.
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He started becoming more aggressive.
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There's times I had to go to the hospital,
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where he had shoved me into, like,
coffee tables and stuff like that.
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And I had broken ribs.
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Several times I had to call my sister
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because I thought he--
he was basically gonna kill me.
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And I was always scared
that something like that may happen.
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[music intensifies]
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[tense music plays]
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I pretty much ran the household.
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Paid the bills, cooked the meals.
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And I couldn't do those things
as well as I could.
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I tried, but I was too weak.
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[music intensifies]
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Chris was mad because I couldn't do
the things I used to do.
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He got way more aggressive.
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I mean, it was to the point
where he was like a madman at times.
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Between the medications
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and the stress that I was under,
and-- from not sleeping,
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Uh…
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I was hallucinating.
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And, uh, it was really getting bad,
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and I was ready to leave.
I was ready. I was,
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I was in the process
of getting my things out of the home,
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getting rid of what I didn't need,
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and um, um…
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when the incident happened.
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[music crescendos]
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[grim instrumental music plays]
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This is what I remember.
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I was laying down, but I was awake.
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And I went to the kitchen.
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I was gonna get--
grab a pack of cigarettes, and um…
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[music intensifies]
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I didn't grab the cigarettes.
I grabbed a pistol.
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Something told me to end him.
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[tense music plays]
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Chris was sleeping.
He was asleep on the couch.
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The time I shot him.
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[gunshots ringing]
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[gunshots continue]
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And that's the last I remember.
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[somber instrumental music plays]
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[sniffles]
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[grim music plays]
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[somber melodic music plays]
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[woman 1] You and Chris used to ride
that big, old tricycle
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off the high side of that porch…
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[man] Yeah, we'd jump 'em back here,
though.
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[woman 1] Yes, then you boys would be
out there and get your boots
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stuck in the cow patties.
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[laughter]
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[woman 2] I remember one time
that I think Kenny and Millie saw her.
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[woman 1] And even though Chris
isn't here with us,
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we've still got
all of our good memories of him.
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-[man] Yep.
-[woman 1] He's living on through us, so…
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[sniffles]
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This is Chris whenever he was a baby,
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and that's Kay, and Billy, and that's me.
[sniffles]
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[woman 2] We called him Kojak.
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-Yes. He was bald-headed.
-[man] Yeah. [laughs]
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Is that how he got his name?
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-Because of his bald head?
-Yes.
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-[woman 1] Didn't Daddy make that name up?
-Yes.
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[woman 1] He was a sweet little boy
growing up.
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He just loved everybody.
He was just full of life.
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[indistinct conversation]
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I am Cathy Colbert,
and Chris Isaac was my little brother.
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There were eight of us all together.
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Five girls and three boys.
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[photos rustling]
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Here's a graduation picture of him
when he graduated from Puxico High School.
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And, um, we were so proud
to see him graduate
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because Chris had learning disabilities.
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And, um, for him to graduate,
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it was just a really good day
for all of us. [sniffles]
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The best way to describe him
is a big loving teddy bear
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because that's what he was.
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-Gentle.
-Yes.
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Yeah. Very gentle.
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[Cathy] I was working at the time,
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and, um, I had a phone call.
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The gal out at the office
came out and told me,
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"Cathy, you need to come.…"
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I'm sorry.
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[sniffles]
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"You need to come take this phone call."
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[sniffles]
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"It's very important."
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I said, "Well, what is it?" [sniffles]
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She said, "I can't tell you."
I said, "Is it--?"
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[sniffles] "Is it bad?"
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"Just tell me if it's bad."
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[sniffles]
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And she said, "Yeah."
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[sniffles]
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It was my sister Gina.
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[sniffles] She said, um, "Chris is dead."
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[sniffles]
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"Vicky shot him."
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[sniffles] I'm sorry.
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[sniffles]
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It didn't make any sense at all
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because I knew they had--
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they had some troubles, you know,
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and most couples do have some troubles.
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But, I mean, it just really blew my mind,
you know, when,
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when we found out
she was the one who killed him.
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I couldn't believe it.
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That wasn't the Vicky we knew.
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There's just so many unanswered questions,
you know.
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So many unanswered questions. [sniffles]
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[woman 2] I felt like a double whammy
that day
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because I was so close to Vicky,
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and still to this day, it breaks my heart,
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because, I mean,
I loved her like one of my sisters.
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We all did.
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I don't know what happened.
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[sighs]
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[sniffles]
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[sighs]
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[insects chirping]
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[grim instrumental music plays]
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[music intensifies]
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[woman] There are no sure things,
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especially with a criminal investigation.
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You better make sure
that you've looked in every corner
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because you don't know
what's hiding around it.
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My name is Betty Frizzell.
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I started out as a deputy sheriff
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in a little county
not too far from Poplar Bluff.
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And then, eventually,
became a chief of police.
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I've been studying the Chris Isaac case
for years,
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probably since the day it happened.
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I didn't work directly on the case.
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'Cause I didn't want to get involved.
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I wanted to live
my nice little life in St. Louis.
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But I became involved
because I had reservations
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that Victoria did the actual shooting.
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I know when Victoria is lying.
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Because I'm Victoria's sister.
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[music intensifies]
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This is the house that we bought,
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and I was a grade-school girl
and Vicky was a…
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a teenager.
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I had the back bedroom,
and Vicky had the middle bedroom,
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and Mom had the front bedroom.
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[birds chirping]
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It brings, like,
a lot of feelings of sadness.
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A lot of broken dreams.
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It's like a… a monument to Vicky's life.
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[quavers] Tries to look pretty,
but it's still very damaged.
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[somber instrumental music plays]
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My earliest memory
is Vicky getting in trouble…
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[inhales]
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…and my mom was mad a lot,
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especially if she'd been drinking.
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Vicky had a slower intellect
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and didn't know
how to control her behavior.
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[swallows]
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Vicky was the first time
I ever seen anything bleed.
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[inhales]
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And it was not just
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a… a spanking.
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It was fist, and it was hair-pulling
and kicking.
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Just like if she was getting in
a bar fight,
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but with this little, 11-year-old girl.
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Vicky would take every bit of beating
that my mom would throw out.
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If my mom was hitting me,
Vicky would try to make her mad
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so that she would
deflect her attention onto her.
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She protected me because she wanted me
to have the life that I have now.
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[sobs]
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[sniffles]
283
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I think Vicky's one of the most
self-sacrificing people I've ever met.
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[eerie music plays]
285
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I don't believe Victoria killed Chris.
286
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I believe it was somebody else.
287
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[music intensifies]
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I believe it was my nephew Kenny.
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[music intensifies]
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This is not just an open and shut case
of two opioid addicts,
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that one decided to kill the other.
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I believe the police
fell into the trap of tunnel vision.
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"She said she did it. Case closed."
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I've worked many cases
where people made false confessions.
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People make false confessions
all the time.
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[grim instrumental music plays]
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[muffled police radio chatter]
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[officer] You wanna make sure
your investigation's done properly
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because a lot of times,
it's not as simple as it looks.
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But in this case, it was.
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[music intensifies]
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My name's Andrew Holden.
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I am currently the Chief Deputy
at Stoddard County Sheriff's Department.
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I was one of the investigators
in this homicide investigation.
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Everything we looked at,
306
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all the evidence,
all the interviews that we done,
307
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led right back to that initial 911 call.
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[phone speed dialing]
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[ringing]
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[operator] 911, what is your emergency?
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[Victoria] I'm at 365 North Church Street.
I just killed my husband.
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[operator] You just killed your husband?
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[Victoria] Yeah, I shot him six times,
and 12 times in the head.
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My name's Victoria Isaac.
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[operator] What-- What's the address?
316
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She called and said
that she had shot her husband,
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and when we walked in and seen that,
318
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it was pretty obvious
that's what had happened.
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[music intensifies]
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[cryptic instrumental music plays]
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The spatter on her face was visible.
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I mean, you could walk up to her
and see the little specks of blood.
323
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It wasn't anything
you really had to search for.
324
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It was obvious.
325
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We collected what was called GSR,
326
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which is gunshot residue.
327
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And that's-- that's normal to collect
328
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in any-- any shooting you have.
329
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Victoria tested positive
for gunshot residue.
330
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[music intensifies]
331
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Another piece of evidence we found
was a piece of paper
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that was Victoria's last will
and testament,
333
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where she was basically giving
her possessions away to other people.
334
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So that appeared
that she did intend on killing herself.
335
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I really believe the ultimate plan,
in this case,
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was a murder-suicide,
337
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but something changed her mind, uh,
to keep her from killing herself.
338
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[muffled recording plays]
339
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I don't know why she killed him
for certain.
340
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That's one of the questions
that we'd like to answer if we can.
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[officer] Can you put your hands out
again for me, please? Thank you.
342
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[Andrew] I personally never got
that "why" answered.
343
00:25:01,123 --> 00:25:03,563
[officer] Can you turn them over for me?
Thank you.
344
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Because the case is really so simple.
345
00:25:16,923 --> 00:25:19,603
[blues-style music plays]
346
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[Betty] Some police say they did
a good job and might believe they did.
347
00:25:31,243 --> 00:25:34,163
Maybe they can go home at night
and sleep with that, but I can't.
348
00:25:35,603 --> 00:25:39,163
Because I took an oath a long time ago
to uphold justice.
349
00:25:42,283 --> 00:25:45,123
And my sister
did not get served justice in this.
350
00:25:52,443 --> 00:25:54,443
I was surprised when Victoria told me
351
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that Kenny was moving in
with her and Chris.
352
00:25:57,403 --> 00:25:58,723
[grim music plays]
353
00:25:58,803 --> 00:26:01,403
They have had
such a tumultuous relationship.
354
00:26:02,483 --> 00:26:04,203
Vicky always wanted to be his mom.
355
00:26:04,723 --> 00:26:06,603
He saw her more as a big sister.
356
00:26:08,283 --> 00:26:12,403
Then when she married Chris,
Kenny didn't see him as a stepfather.
357
00:26:12,883 --> 00:26:15,483
So you had these eschewed relationships
to begin with.
358
00:26:17,323 --> 00:26:21,843
Kenny always exhibited some behavior
that was not rational.
359
00:26:23,843 --> 00:26:25,283
A short time before the murder,
360
00:26:25,363 --> 00:26:28,283
Chris and Kenny
had got into a physical altercation,
361
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where Kenny ended up having a black eye.
362
00:26:31,443 --> 00:26:33,283
I knew Kenny's personality.
363
00:26:33,363 --> 00:26:35,963
Kenny didn't let anybody
get anything over on him.
364
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My mom had instilled that in his mind.
365
00:26:38,883 --> 00:26:42,363
How dare someone who's inferior,
such as Chris,
366
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punch him and leave a black eye on him?
367
00:26:46,203 --> 00:26:47,283
How dare he?
368
00:26:48,963 --> 00:26:51,963
Revenge was the motive for this murder.
369
00:26:54,163 --> 00:26:55,883
I believe what happened,
370
00:26:55,963 --> 00:26:59,483
Kenny sees Chris laying there
on the couch, defenseless,
371
00:27:00,483 --> 00:27:02,963
goes and finds the old 22mm gun,
372
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loads it and starts shooting Chris.
373
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[music crescendos]
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Vicky wakes up and hears this,
375
00:27:11,123 --> 00:27:12,843
and then the last four rounds,
376
00:27:12,923 --> 00:27:15,403
she's either struggling with Kenny
with that gun,
377
00:27:15,483 --> 00:27:17,963
or she talks Kenny out of it
and throws the gun.
378
00:27:18,043 --> 00:27:20,083
[music intensifies]
379
00:27:20,563 --> 00:27:23,083
I don't believe Victoria
shot any of those bullets.
380
00:27:25,843 --> 00:27:28,643
Victoria, she's a protector
of the people she loves.
381
00:27:29,123 --> 00:27:33,003
She called 911 and confessed,
and stuck to that story.
382
00:27:35,323 --> 00:27:37,323
[music intensifies]
383
00:27:37,403 --> 00:27:40,203
This is a way of paying penance
for being a bad mom.
384
00:27:40,283 --> 00:27:42,283
And I think that's what she's guilty of.
385
00:27:43,083 --> 00:27:46,083
Being a bad mom, maybe,
but not being a murderer.
386
00:27:47,883 --> 00:27:48,883
[music crescendos]
387
00:27:51,563 --> 00:27:52,603
[eerie music plays]
388
00:27:52,683 --> 00:27:55,843
I admit there's no physical evidence
to prove Kenny did this.
389
00:27:55,923 --> 00:27:57,683
But if someone's washed up,
390
00:27:57,763 --> 00:28:00,763
or if somebody has changed clothes
and washed up,
391
00:28:01,283 --> 00:28:02,763
there's not gonna be any.
392
00:28:03,963 --> 00:28:06,083
[music intensifies]
393
00:28:06,163 --> 00:28:09,323
However, there is tons
of circumstantial evidence
394
00:28:09,403 --> 00:28:10,723
that proves my theory.
395
00:28:13,923 --> 00:28:17,563
I've tried to talk to the police before,
and I've been shut down numerous times.
396
00:28:17,643 --> 00:28:20,243
I've been told to stay in St. Louis,
mind my own business.
397
00:28:20,323 --> 00:28:22,123
I've been threatened with arrest
398
00:28:22,603 --> 00:28:25,883
just for telling the prosecutor
that we're gonna appeal Victoria's case.
399
00:28:28,403 --> 00:28:32,203
But I'm a woman of faith,
and I'll just keep trying.
400
00:28:41,923 --> 00:28:44,923
[blues-style music plays]
401
00:28:59,123 --> 00:29:00,523
[indistinct chatter]
402
00:29:08,963 --> 00:29:13,003
[indistinct chatter continues]
403
00:29:26,243 --> 00:29:30,803
[muffled conversation]
404
00:29:35,443 --> 00:29:36,603
Rosanna…
405
00:29:36,683 --> 00:29:37,723
-Okay.
-Yorker.
406
00:29:37,803 --> 00:29:38,643
Okay.
407
00:29:38,723 --> 00:29:41,523
[indistinct chatter]
408
00:29:41,603 --> 00:29:44,603
What spurred me to write the book
was the injustice,
409
00:29:44,683 --> 00:29:46,923
the lack of competent police work,
410
00:29:47,003 --> 00:29:49,723
and just my need for the truth.
411
00:29:49,803 --> 00:29:52,083
[indistinct chatter continues]
412
00:29:52,163 --> 00:29:55,763
My ultimate goal is for Victoria
to stop perpetuating this lie
413
00:29:55,843 --> 00:29:57,083
that she's told herself,
414
00:29:57,163 --> 00:29:59,843
stop protecting someone
who didn't protect her,
415
00:29:59,923 --> 00:30:01,243
and just start moving towards
416
00:30:01,323 --> 00:30:04,003
telling the truth
of what really happened that day.
417
00:30:04,083 --> 00:30:06,163
[indistinct conversation]
418
00:30:06,243 --> 00:30:10,563
It's all about my sister.
She's, uh, serving life plus 25 years,
419
00:30:11,043 --> 00:30:14,963
um, for a murder
that she may or may not have committed.
420
00:30:15,043 --> 00:30:16,083
Now, this…
421
00:30:16,163 --> 00:30:19,763
She has her, uh, version of the story,
and this is my version.
422
00:30:19,843 --> 00:30:22,923
So I'd like you to read it
and tell me what you think.
423
00:30:23,003 --> 00:30:24,083
What do you think?
424
00:30:24,163 --> 00:30:25,923
[chuckles] You know what I think.
425
00:30:26,003 --> 00:30:27,483
[chuckling]
426
00:30:27,563 --> 00:30:30,363
[indistinct conversation]
427
00:30:30,443 --> 00:30:34,923
Maybe this book would also get the police
to look at this case again.
428
00:30:35,003 --> 00:30:38,083
If Vicky would tell
really what happened that day
429
00:30:38,603 --> 00:30:42,563
and provide more evidence
to what really went on,
430
00:30:43,083 --> 00:30:45,003
maybe it would be reopened.
431
00:30:45,083 --> 00:30:48,843
Maybe she would have a chance
to actually have another-- a real trial,
432
00:30:48,923 --> 00:30:50,163
not just a plea deal.
433
00:30:50,243 --> 00:30:53,243
[cryptic music plays]
434
00:31:03,203 --> 00:31:05,203
[music intensifies]
435
00:31:07,123 --> 00:31:09,563
[indistinct chatter]
436
00:31:10,163 --> 00:31:13,283
Some people might just think
that I am making this up
437
00:31:13,363 --> 00:31:16,563
or don't want to believe
that my sister committed this crime,
438
00:31:17,043 --> 00:31:20,723
but there's a 911 call
days prior to this murder
439
00:31:20,803 --> 00:31:23,683
in which Kenny tells his intent
to kill Chris,
440
00:31:24,203 --> 00:31:25,883
and Vicky, and then himself.
441
00:31:27,843 --> 00:31:31,403
That 911 call, to me,
really is the biggest piece of evidence
442
00:31:31,483 --> 00:31:33,003
that proves that he did this.
443
00:31:33,083 --> 00:31:35,083
[music intensifies]
444
00:31:40,043 --> 00:31:42,163
[phone speed dials]
445
00:31:42,243 --> 00:31:44,603
[operator] 911. What is your emergency?
446
00:31:44,683 --> 00:31:49,123
[Kenny] Yeah, ma'am. I need an ambulance.
I'm having suicidal, homicidal thoughts.
447
00:31:49,203 --> 00:31:52,323
I'm at the end of my rope.
I'm-- I'm outside pacing right now.
448
00:31:52,403 --> 00:31:54,523
[operator] All right.
Is there anybody there with you?
449
00:31:54,603 --> 00:31:56,443
[Kenny] Yeah, Mom and stepdad. I…
450
00:31:57,083 --> 00:31:59,803
I was having thoughts
of killing both, and then myself.
451
00:32:00,523 --> 00:32:03,603
[operator] Okay, I completely…
I can understand.
452
00:32:03,683 --> 00:32:05,043
[Kenny] I can't take no more.
453
00:32:05,123 --> 00:32:06,763
[static hum]
454
00:32:12,003 --> 00:32:13,163
My name is Russ Oliver.
455
00:32:13,243 --> 00:32:14,763
I was the prosecuting attorney
456
00:32:14,843 --> 00:32:17,363
in the case of the homicide
of Chris Isaac,
457
00:32:17,443 --> 00:32:20,483
perpetrated by his wife, Victoria Isaac.
458
00:32:22,563 --> 00:32:26,483
On May 7, a week before the homicide, uh,
459
00:32:26,563 --> 00:32:30,243
Kenneth Smith did call, um, 911
460
00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:33,163
and told them
that he was suicidal and homicidal.
461
00:32:34,003 --> 00:32:36,443
I mean, that, that wasn't anything
that we ignored.
462
00:32:36,523 --> 00:32:38,723
That was definitely something
that we'd go, "Oh."
463
00:32:38,803 --> 00:32:41,283
"Well, let's pay attention to that."
All right?
464
00:32:41,363 --> 00:32:44,803
And, and even with that-- knowing that,
465
00:32:45,323 --> 00:32:50,283
we still had, had no evidence that pointed
that Kenny did anything here.
466
00:32:51,123 --> 00:32:53,083
[cryptic music plays]
467
00:32:53,163 --> 00:32:58,803
The evidence is that Victoria
was covered in Chris's blood.
468
00:33:01,763 --> 00:33:05,603
And blood spatter is not something
that you can just recreate, right?
469
00:33:05,683 --> 00:33:08,643
Kenneth didn't have any blood spatter.
470
00:33:08,723 --> 00:33:11,123
[music intensifies]
471
00:33:11,603 --> 00:33:14,123
And he didn't have any gunshot residue
on his hands.
472
00:33:16,603 --> 00:33:19,043
To say that Kenny did this,
473
00:33:19,123 --> 00:33:22,363
I mean, there is no evidence
to support that whatsoever.
474
00:33:26,803 --> 00:33:28,683
I will not be reading Betty's book.
475
00:33:28,763 --> 00:33:30,403
I don't have a lot of spare time,
476
00:33:30,483 --> 00:33:34,683
and I certainly won't be spending my time
reading what Betty has to say.
477
00:33:35,483 --> 00:33:37,123
Is it for attention?
478
00:33:37,203 --> 00:33:38,763
Is it, uh…
479
00:33:38,843 --> 00:33:41,763
uh, to get sympathy for her sister?
480
00:33:42,403 --> 00:33:43,843
I-- I don't know,
481
00:33:43,923 --> 00:33:46,363
but her sister's not going anywhere.
482
00:33:46,883 --> 00:33:52,283
Her sister shot her husband
ten times in the head execution-style.
483
00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:54,203
She's never leaving prison.
484
00:33:58,243 --> 00:34:02,523
What this lady is saying
is just rote accusations,
485
00:34:03,123 --> 00:34:04,283
um…
486
00:34:04,363 --> 00:34:05,803
rote speculation
487
00:34:06,443 --> 00:34:09,963
with absolutely no evidence to back it up.
488
00:34:10,563 --> 00:34:15,443
And not even the person who's in prison
saying that's what's happened.
489
00:34:16,043 --> 00:34:17,563
That should be a big indication
490
00:34:17,643 --> 00:34:20,483
of how much credibility
this should be given.
491
00:34:22,403 --> 00:34:24,083
I do feel for the Isaac family.
492
00:34:26,083 --> 00:34:30,043
What Betty is saying is probably
pretty upsetting to them, I'm sure.
493
00:34:31,803 --> 00:34:33,443
They don't deserve any of this.
494
00:34:35,123 --> 00:34:36,803
Re-dealing with all of this.
495
00:34:44,003 --> 00:34:47,443
[blues-style music plays]
496
00:34:47,523 --> 00:34:49,163
[host] Welcome to Let's have a Chat.
497
00:34:49,243 --> 00:34:53,523
So for this episode, I am joined by
perhaps one of the most interesting guests
498
00:34:53,603 --> 00:34:56,763
that we have had
in our 16 months of shows, Betty Frizzell.
499
00:34:56,843 --> 00:34:58,483
I want folks to read the book.
500
00:34:58,563 --> 00:35:01,203
-I don't want to spoil major details.
-[Betty] Okay.
501
00:35:01,283 --> 00:35:04,643
But-- Uh, but simply put,
you make a pretty strong case
502
00:35:04,723 --> 00:35:08,803
that Kenny and not Vicky, uh,
killed Vicky's husband, Chris.
503
00:35:08,883 --> 00:35:13,163
[Betty] I've worked for some small cities,
I've worked for some small counties, but…
504
00:35:13,243 --> 00:35:16,483
I've never seen this kind of,
you know, unprofessionalism.
505
00:35:16,563 --> 00:35:20,043
It was a comedy of errors. Just because
they had a confession that this lady,
506
00:35:20,123 --> 00:35:22,083
you know,
supposedly killed her husband and…
507
00:35:22,163 --> 00:35:23,603
What a damn lie.
508
00:35:24,163 --> 00:35:27,723
That's the biggest crock of bullcrap
I've ever heard in my life.
509
00:35:27,803 --> 00:35:30,483
[host] Uh, has there been any movement
since the book?
510
00:35:30,563 --> 00:35:32,963
It's been out for, what,
about close to a month now?
511
00:35:33,043 --> 00:35:34,523
[Betty] No. And as you know…
512
00:35:34,603 --> 00:35:36,283
[Cathy] She needs to let it rest.
513
00:35:38,243 --> 00:35:44,123
She needs to think
about what it's doing to our family.
514
00:35:44,723 --> 00:35:46,603
[somber music plays]
515
00:35:46,683 --> 00:35:49,203
It's opening up old wounds.
516
00:35:51,923 --> 00:35:52,843
Vicky did it.
517
00:35:53,923 --> 00:35:56,283
Without a doubt in my mind,
I think Vicky did it.
518
00:35:57,283 --> 00:36:00,963
She wrote out a statement
and confessed to it.
519
00:36:02,843 --> 00:36:04,603
Betty didn't live in this area,
520
00:36:04,683 --> 00:36:10,043
and, um, she wasn't around Vicky
that much either
521
00:36:10,123 --> 00:36:12,723
for her to write
all the stuff in that book.
522
00:36:12,803 --> 00:36:15,843
I don't know where she come up
with all of that stuff.
523
00:36:15,923 --> 00:36:18,403
[Betty] …but I couldn't save Vicky.
524
00:36:18,483 --> 00:36:21,043
I think Betty is crazy,
525
00:36:21,123 --> 00:36:23,563
and I think she's seeking attention.
526
00:36:25,643 --> 00:36:29,963
I don't know how anybody
could try to pin a murder
527
00:36:30,043 --> 00:36:31,523
on somebody else,
528
00:36:31,603 --> 00:36:34,923
and it-- it makes me sick to my stomach.
529
00:36:36,443 --> 00:36:38,443
[music intensifies]
530
00:37:08,243 --> 00:37:11,723
[grim instrumental music plays]
531
00:37:17,123 --> 00:37:21,683
[indistinct police radio chatter]
532
00:37:21,763 --> 00:37:26,603
[radio chatter continues]
533
00:37:26,683 --> 00:37:27,763
[beeping]
534
00:37:30,283 --> 00:37:33,003
[Andrew] I don't think Betty
necessarily is lying.
535
00:37:33,843 --> 00:37:36,923
But I think sometimes
your judgment becomes clouded,
536
00:37:37,683 --> 00:37:41,923
um, even with a law enforcement background
or whoever you are
537
00:37:44,883 --> 00:37:48,963
when you're trying to look into a crime
that your sibling has committed.
538
00:37:51,643 --> 00:37:54,643
[somber melodic music plays]
539
00:37:56,763 --> 00:38:01,283
I can absolutely understand
why Betty would make those claims.
540
00:38:02,923 --> 00:38:04,763
Trying to cast doubt out there,
541
00:38:05,723 --> 00:38:07,683
trying to get her sister out of prison.
542
00:38:08,603 --> 00:38:13,643
And it's not uncommon
for family members to, um,
543
00:38:13,723 --> 00:38:16,883
not believe
a law enforcement investigation.
544
00:38:18,883 --> 00:38:20,683
And this is true in this case.
545
00:38:25,323 --> 00:38:26,363
At the end of the day,
546
00:38:26,443 --> 00:38:29,483
it doesn't matter what I think,
it doesn't matter what Betty thinks.
547
00:38:29,563 --> 00:38:32,963
Until there's new evidence
that comes to light
548
00:38:33,803 --> 00:38:37,523
or someone makes a claim or,
549
00:38:37,603 --> 00:38:39,043
or a new statement,
550
00:38:39,123 --> 00:38:41,763
uh, there's really nothing gonna change
in this case.
551
00:39:04,603 --> 00:39:08,083
[grim instrumental music plays]
552
00:39:14,003 --> 00:39:16,603
[Victoria] Last time I saw my son
was at the courthouse,
553
00:39:17,683 --> 00:39:20,563
and I haven't seen him since
or talked to him.
554
00:39:21,803 --> 00:39:24,483
And it hurts.
It hurts every day that I can't.
555
00:39:27,723 --> 00:39:29,523
He's in my thoughts daily.
556
00:39:36,603 --> 00:39:38,763
[music intensifies]
557
00:39:42,683 --> 00:39:43,723
Would you mind…?
558
00:39:44,523 --> 00:39:45,363
Yep. I'm fine.
559
00:40:03,323 --> 00:40:06,923
[Victoria] My sister Betty's been there
for me when nobody else has.
560
00:40:07,883 --> 00:40:09,603
She's so encouraging.
561
00:40:11,523 --> 00:40:13,683
I feel better after I talk to my sister.
562
00:40:14,283 --> 00:40:16,003
I don't feel so alone.
563
00:40:21,603 --> 00:40:22,883
I've read the book.
564
00:40:22,963 --> 00:40:23,883
Um…
565
00:40:23,963 --> 00:40:28,323
Yes, I'm-- I'm, uh, I'm aware of what…
566
00:40:28,403 --> 00:40:29,563
what's been said.
567
00:40:29,643 --> 00:40:31,403
[music intensifies]
568
00:40:31,483 --> 00:40:35,363
You know, whether it's true or false,
I can't… I can't tell you that,
569
00:40:35,443 --> 00:40:39,003
because, uh, for the simple fact
of court matters,
570
00:40:39,963 --> 00:40:44,003
and I could be going back
into court someday,
571
00:40:44,083 --> 00:40:45,963
and that…
572
00:40:46,443 --> 00:40:49,043
that could damage what…
573
00:40:49,523 --> 00:40:53,523
what, you know, what, uh,
the judge would see.
574
00:40:53,603 --> 00:40:56,403
And that's… You know,
I really can't go any further.
575
00:40:59,243 --> 00:41:02,123
[interviewer] In the first interview,
you told me you did do it.
576
00:41:02,683 --> 00:41:06,403
Do you want to tell me again, like,
who pulled the trigger on that morning?
577
00:41:07,243 --> 00:41:12,203
I could not be accurate
on telling you what actually happened
578
00:41:12,283 --> 00:41:13,963
because of the medications.
579
00:41:15,803 --> 00:41:17,083
You know, I was, uh…
580
00:41:17,163 --> 00:41:19,043
That day, I was out of it.
581
00:41:20,323 --> 00:41:22,083
But that…
582
00:41:22,163 --> 00:41:23,923
That's all I got to say about that.
583
00:41:25,843 --> 00:41:27,843
[music intensifies]
584
00:41:28,843 --> 00:41:31,323
[interviewer] Can you tell me
if Kenny shot Chris?
585
00:41:32,643 --> 00:41:33,483
Hm…
586
00:41:35,203 --> 00:41:38,043
I don't know. I don't know.
I mean, did… I-- I don't know.
587
00:41:38,123 --> 00:41:41,523
Did you talk to him,
or did somebody talk to him about this?
588
00:41:44,523 --> 00:41:46,283
He was there, I was there,
589
00:41:46,363 --> 00:41:48,403
and, uh…
590
00:41:48,483 --> 00:41:50,363
Everybody's got their own opinion.
591
00:41:50,443 --> 00:41:53,643
And I was in a haze, and…
592
00:41:54,163 --> 00:41:55,003
Uh…
593
00:41:56,043 --> 00:41:58,283
Both me and my son,
both know how to…
594
00:41:59,163 --> 00:42:01,603
It was my mother's, uh, gun,
595
00:42:02,403 --> 00:42:06,083
and both of us know, uh, how to use it.
596
00:42:10,043 --> 00:42:12,083
There's a lot of people,
not just my sister,
597
00:42:12,163 --> 00:42:13,803
that think my son done it.
598
00:42:14,283 --> 00:42:15,243
Uh…
599
00:42:16,043 --> 00:42:19,763
I can't dispute it,
but I can't tell you that he did it.
600
00:42:22,763 --> 00:42:25,363
[interviewer] Do you think it might be
upsetting for Kenny
601
00:42:25,443 --> 00:42:27,923
if he is protesting his innocence?
602
00:42:28,003 --> 00:42:32,843
I don't, I don't believe
he would be upset, uh,
603
00:42:32,923 --> 00:42:34,763
because he…
604
00:42:34,843 --> 00:42:37,003
He knows the detective side in his aunt.
605
00:42:37,083 --> 00:42:40,003
And, uh, when you have a--
606
00:42:40,083 --> 00:42:42,563
a relative that's in law enforcement,
607
00:42:43,043 --> 00:42:46,443
you know that they're gonna look
at every angle. They're gonna dig.
608
00:42:47,763 --> 00:42:48,963
So he's-- He--
609
00:42:49,043 --> 00:42:54,723
I assume he's just thinking
that it's his aunt's detective in her.
610
00:42:55,283 --> 00:42:56,283
You know, making sure.
611
00:42:57,723 --> 00:42:59,723
[music intensifies]
612
00:43:05,963 --> 00:43:09,963
[eerie instrumental music plays]