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I felt like I could
talk to him, you know?
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Like he was a normal person,
not a celebrity.
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Very welcoming.
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Robert treated me very well.
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Charismatic. Funny.
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Extremely caring.
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He's hard not to like.
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It was very romantic to me.
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Our relationship was beautiful
in the beginning.
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But, um...
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Didn't know about
the storm on the horizon.
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He would break you down.
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He would turn around and say,
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"I'm the only one
that loves you,
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I'm the only one
who cares about you."
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I was mentally drained.
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Robert feels
as if he's invincible.
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"I can't be touched."
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And in hindsight, in society,
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we kind of made him
feel that way.
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CRAIG WILLIAMS:
He had a voice
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that was incredible.
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CAREY KELLY:
All the labels start calling,
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and that's when he took off.
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JOHN LEGEND:
His songs were a huge part
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of the soundtrack of our lives.
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I heard a lot about Rob
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going to Kenwood High School.
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I always wondered,
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what the heck is he doing
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hanging around the high school?
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KATHY CHANEY:
He liked high school girls.
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They were too young for him.
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They were so vulnerable.
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DEMETRIUS SMITH: I didn't want
to believe that Robert
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was messing with Aaliyah
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because she was so young.
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JOVANTE CUNNINGHAM:
The door flew open on the bus.
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Robert was having sex
with Aaliyah.
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JAMILAH LEMIEUX:
A 15-year old girl.
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CRAIG: Rob was the big star
of Chicago at that time.
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He was all over the radio,
the radio loved him.
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He had a lot of hit songs
and they were playing his songs.
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Chicago loved R. Kelly.
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TRACII McGREGOR:
There was "Vibe,"
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and he another big hit,
"Honey Love."
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You had to know
who R. Kelly was.
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MISS INFO:
He was larger than life.
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It was kind of like
all of our hopes and dreams
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wrapped up into this artist.
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Teenage girls definitely wanted
to meet him,
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and I had heard lots of stories
about girls who did.
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TARANA BURKE: This is really
about an adult man who is using
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the power of his fame
and wealth and whatever
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to systematically degrade
little black girls.
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CRAIG:
When you get type of power,
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you kind of lose
perspective of reality.
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Robert dated a lot of women
from a lot of different cities.
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We-We'd fly 'em in,
we'd fly 'em out.
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BRUCE:
Robert likes younger women.
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You have people
who have fantasies
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about different things.
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I like older women.
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Go figure, you know?
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But that's just a preference.
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It's a preference.
Everyone has preferences.
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So, what is the big deal?
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What's the big issue
with my brother?
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CRAIG: When I went down to the
studio, I could see what kind
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of lifestyle Rob was living and
what was going on in his life.
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And it didn't look good to me.
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There was a bedroom
in the main room of the studio.
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There was girls everywhere.
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There was a young girl sitting,
and she had to be, I don't--
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I haven't checked her ID,
I don't know,
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but anywhere between 15 to 17
to 18-- she was a teenager.
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She was young.
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You can tell what's young.
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I don't know
if they were together.
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When I went to another room,
there was a girl in that room.
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With the lights out. Waiting.
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There was another girl
in this lounge, over there.
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Lights out, waiting.
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And I'm telling Reed,
my business partner,
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"What the hell is going on?"
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LIZZETTE:
Robert...
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he's hard not to like.
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It's hard not to like him.
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I was at a party at his house,
and I didn't drink,
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but his friend gave me
some alcohol.
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So, I-I was really, like, hazy,
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and I remember
he took me up to the room.
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It was just a blur.
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He went back to the party
and I just kind of passed out.
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It was my first
sexual experience,
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and I didn't think
it would be that way.
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Sex with him felt not natural.
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Visiting him,
it was mainly about sex.
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I felt like a sex object.
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You know, he would just say,
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"I still want to, um,
help you with your career."
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Music was my joy.
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So I felt like
my dreams are gonna come true.
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I just kind of, like,
listened to him
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and said okay, you know,
and stayed
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there by myself.
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He would have people follow me
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because he told me as much,
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"If you leave this hotel room
or go anywhere,
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"I have my boys following you,
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and I know everything
that you're doing."
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So I was very fearful.
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Wouldn't hear
from him for days,
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and then he would come back,
and it was just
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sex and abu-- and-and...
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mental and physical abuse.
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TOURE:
And here we have R. Kelly,
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who's saying, "I will help
you create a career."
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But he never intended
to do that.
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And, here again, women trying
to move up in good faith.
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"I am a singer, I will listen
to you. I will..."
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And he's just like,
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"I'm just gonna take you
and take your body."
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ORONIKE ODELEYE:
A lot of the young women
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who became involved with him,
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a lot of them started
from the same place
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that most people
in the black community are,
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of, "I've heard those rumors,
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"but I don't believe
that to be true.
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"I'm an aspiring star,
I'm not a gold digger.
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"I'm not fast. I'm not this,
that, or the other.
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I'm introduced to him or I get
an opportunity to meet him."
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Um, and he's a charming,
rich, famous person
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who has the ability
to fly you around the world
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or, you know, buy you whatever
you want or do whatever.
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I mean, that's, that's
a lot of temptation
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for somebody
so young and naive.
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LIZZETTE: The first time
he was physically abusive,
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I was 17 and I-I said hello to
someone that I shouldn't have,
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or I was looking at someone
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that I shouldn't have been
looking at. (scoffs)
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You know,
so he didn't like that.
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He took me outside
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and smacked me and said, like,
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"You can-- You're only supposed
to look at me."
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And I don't understand this.
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I just...
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I just cried and said okay.
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And then I did that
going forward
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'cause I didn't want to get--
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I didn't want to anger him
or get hit.
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DR. CANDICE NORCOTT: Anybody
can be a victim of abuse.
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However,
there are certain contexts
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and certain characteristics that
can make you more vulnerable.
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Like inequal power dynamics.
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Girls can go into a situation
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really wanting something...
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...and when somebody feels
that they can
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hold that something
over her head,
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"If you just do this with me,"
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and the behavior and the
exploitation can escalate.
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INTERVIEWER: When did you
find out that he was married?
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Maybe a year
after they were married.
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I never knew.
Never said anything.
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My best friend said
she heard it on the radio.
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And...
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I was, like, in shock.
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We never spoke of the marriag.
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He never told me
about the marriage.
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GEM: There were quite
a few women, but there are only
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a couple of women in his life
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that-that I know of
that he really loved.
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Obviously,
Aaliyah and my sister,
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Andrea Lee, at the time,
now Kelly.
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BRUCE: I was shocked
that Robert married her.
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It just looked like to me
that they weren't compatible.
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She just seemed
different than, uh,
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what he was, uh, what
he was accustomed to...
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having.
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ANDREA:
My name is Andrea Kelly.
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Born and raised
in the Windy City.
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My family says that I danced
before I walked.
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Dance is the reason
why I met Robert.
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A good friend of mine,
Larry, convinced me
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to go to an audition.
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I'm like, "Larry, I'm not going
to an audition.
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First of all,
who the hell is R. Kelly?"
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'Cause I'd never heard of him
at that point.
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He's like, "No,
you should come, it's dope.
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"He's got this new song out
called 'Sex Me.'
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He's going on tour,
he's looking for dancers."
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She killed it.
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She was the best
out of 400 girls.
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I mean, Drea's probably one of
the best dancers in the world.
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ANDREA:
This lady says,
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"You got the job.
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He loved you."
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And that's how
our worlds collide.
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He was a go-getter,
and that was amazing
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to me, to see somebody who,
after sharing
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that he didn't read
or wr-write well.
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But you could create
these amazing songs.
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I was mesmerized.
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There is a part of me
that's like,
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"Wow, he is really
a musical genius."
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I started to see a more gentle
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or, I-I'd rather say,
vulnerable side.
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He started to get to the point
where he would ask me
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to teach him how to read.
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Being able to share
the loss of his mom...
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With me,
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it was like, 100% wall down.
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Down to the studs.
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The nurturer that I am,
you're thinking,
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"Okay, I'm not gonna be
that person in his life
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"that turns a blind eye.
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"I'm not gonna be
that person in his life
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"that his story
is falling on deaf ears.
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"I'm gonna be
that person in his life
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that's gonna love him
through it."
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And it was actually beautiful
in the beginning.
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But, um...
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Didn't know about the storm
on the horizon.
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DR. KHADIJA MONK:
Someone like R. Kelly would use
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their vulnerability to make
the victim comfortable.
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And so, the victim
would then feel,
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"Okay, well, they've shared this
very private moment with me."
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And that's how you build trust.
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Vulnerability, um,
builds trust in that regard.
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For many girls and women,
it starts as, um, caring.
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Feeling cared for.
Feeling paid attention to.
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Um, and then getting lulled
into, over time,
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more constricting
and more abusive behavior.
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I saw another side of him.
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The dark side.
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He would say,
"You have to call me Daddy."
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I wasn't free to walk around.
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If I wanted to use the restroom,
I'd have to ask him.
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If I was hungry,
I have to ask him.
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He came up once
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and grabbed me by my arm
in the room
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and dragged me down the hallway
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because I talked back to him.
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I was kicking and screaming
and crying.
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He told me to perform
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sexual acts while his friends
were in the back seat
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and, like, humiliated me
in front of everyone.
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It was like he owned me.
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R. Kelly was definitely part
of this milieu
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that also involved the Jacksons.
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Uh, both Michael and Janet,
who were,
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uh, connecting R & B
to the mainstream.
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BRUCE:
Robert had actually did
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a remake on Janet,
and when-when it did so well,
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that Mike liked it,
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and Mike wanted
to work with Robert.
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Robert was like, he was
really thrilled, you know,
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to get a chance to produce
Michael Jackson.
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That was like
a turn of his career.
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He let me hear--
he said, "Who's this?"
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I listened to the song, I said,
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"That's easy.
That's Michael Jackson."
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"Come on, Bruce, man.
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You don't even know
your brother's own voice?"
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I said, "That's you?"
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He sang the song himself, right,
and let Mike hear them.
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And when Michael Jackson
heard it, Michael said,
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(high-pitched voice): "Oh,
my God, he sounds just like me."
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(chuckles)
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He just said
that he had something, like,
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really special
that he had been working on.
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At this time, I'm a senior
in high school, and...
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I found out that I was pregnant.
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And a few days later,
I had a miscarriage.
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When he wrote it,
he was thinking of me.
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So then he played it
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and he called the song
"You Are Not Alone."
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NELSON GEORGE:
R. writes him a really...
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great song about someone, um,
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dealing with the idea
of isolation,
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which is a big theme
in Michael's music.
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JOVANTE: In hindsight,
all of his songs,
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they're real stories.
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They're about different people
during those times
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in different situations
that were occurring with him.
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So, "Your Body's Callin',"
things like that.
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"Sex Me."
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Those are real stories.
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"Age Ain't Nothing but
a Number." He meant that.
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DR. JODY ADEWALE:
A perpetrator might
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isolate an individual.
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It's easier
for a perpetrator to abuse
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when that individual
doesn't have resources.
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BRUCE:
Me and my brothers,
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we all have our ways
with our girls.
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We're very jealous guys.
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We don't want our girls doing
certain things. You...
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Y-You're not gonna see our girls
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talking too much to people,
and all this.
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That's-that's just
the way we are.
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ANDREA: Robert has a lot
of rules for people,
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but he doesn't
have many for himself.
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Um, I think he wants
to be perceived
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as the ultimate alpha male,
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when he's really the runt
of the litter.
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There was a rule,
being on tour with him.
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"The dancers do not communicate
with my background singers,
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my band don't communicate
with my dancers."
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He-he really ran it
like a dictatorship.
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Like, when we would
walk in as dancers,
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we walked in
in a single-file line.
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We did not get to communicate
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with the other artists
in the venue.
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We had to stay
in our dressing rooms
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until it was time for you
to hit the stage.
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My parents were trying to get
a hold of me and they couldn't.
321
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I did not know that my cell
phone number was being changed.
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And I believe
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he strategically did it so that
he could have all this going on,
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and if I keep you locked away
and keep you isolated,
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you don't get
to see this other side.
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BRUCE:
We used to talk with Andrea
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and the other dancers and stuff
and have fun.
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But after they got married,
no more of that.
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Just-- you know,
she-- it was like,
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she wouldn't even speak to us.
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And it was hard to know
if we could speak to her.
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Robert chartered a plane
with a banner
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that said,
"Andrea, will you marry me?"
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(chuckles)
335
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And then the dude dropped down
in a parachute with a ring.
336
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And she said yeah.
337
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So it was a secret ceremony.
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He was really sneaky.
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And I would have loved
for his brothers
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to be there with him.
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For memories, if nothing else.
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Fame is one thing.
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You know,
but when you start to lose
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certain life's precious moments
because of fame,
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I think I'd do without it.
346
00:16:57,558 --> 00:16:59,393
I felt bad.
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00:16:59,393 --> 00:17:01,103
I could see that she wanted
348
00:17:01,103 --> 00:17:04,565
her people there, you know?
349
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She wanted her mom there,
she wanted her dad there.
350
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But that's Robert, though.
351
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ANDREA:
My wedding
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was a surprise wedding.
353
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I did not know
I was getting married.
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00:17:17,911 --> 00:17:20,873
We went to Colorado,
and I remember
355
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coming into the hotel room,
and there was violinists.
356
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There's a cello player.
357
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He had the cake, he had
the food, he had everything,
358
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like he went over the top.
359
00:17:30,758 --> 00:17:33,761
Like, Robert, what if I wanted
to do it in a church?
360
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What if I wanted to wear
a wedding dress?
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I don't think
he even understands
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00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:41,101
that you've now crossed
that line from being generous
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to being controlling.
364
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INTERVIEWER: Tell me
about what happened in the end.
365
00:17:49,109 --> 00:17:50,944
What was the final straw?
366
00:17:50,944 --> 00:17:54,072
I caught mononucleosis from him.
367
00:17:54,072 --> 00:17:56,450
And my mono turned
into Guillain-Barré,
368
00:17:56,450 --> 00:18:00,621
where my whole body was
completely paralyzed,
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00:18:00,621 --> 00:18:02,915
and I almost didn't make it.
370
00:18:02,915 --> 00:18:05,918
He sent my mother
a thousand-dollar check.
371
00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:11,131
I was in ICU for two,
two and a half weeks.
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00:18:11,131 --> 00:18:14,426
I almost died.
He was nowhere to be found.
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00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:18,138
My best friend was very angry
374
00:18:18,138 --> 00:18:20,682
and said that I should
stop seeing him.
375
00:18:20,682 --> 00:18:21,975
"You're just going there,
376
00:18:21,975 --> 00:18:24,645
like, you're like a prostitute,
really."
377
00:18:24,645 --> 00:18:30,317
That hurt...
but it was the truth.
378
00:18:30,317 --> 00:18:33,737
All these things that I didn't
want to be, I became.
379
00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:39,284
He stole my life from me.
380
00:18:39,284 --> 00:18:42,454
Being abused like this...
381
00:18:42,454 --> 00:18:44,498
And I don't think
he understands,
382
00:18:44,498 --> 00:18:47,334
girls that are young,
how impressionable we are
383
00:18:47,334 --> 00:18:49,336
and how traumatic
these experiences are.
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They change you forever.
385
00:18:51,338 --> 00:18:53,382
(sniffles)
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00:18:54,716 --> 00:18:57,344
I decided to walk away.
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00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:02,850
I didn't want to be
a victim anymore.
388
00:19:10,107 --> 00:19:13,694
ANDREA: You fall in love
with the charmer.
389
00:19:13,694 --> 00:19:17,072
You fall in love
with his brokenness.
390
00:19:17,072 --> 00:19:20,576
And then, slowly, he lets
the other one creep in.
391
00:19:21,618 --> 00:19:25,038
He's a control freak.
392
00:19:25,038 --> 00:19:26,665
Having to call him Daddy.
393
00:19:26,665 --> 00:19:28,041
There should not
be repercussions
394
00:19:28,041 --> 00:19:29,710
if I don't call you Daddy.
395
00:19:29,710 --> 00:19:32,546
"I can control what you do,
who you do it with,
396
00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:34,256
"how long you do it,
where you go,
397
00:19:34,256 --> 00:19:37,050
what you wear, when you eat,
when you sleep."
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00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:39,052
(audience cheering)
399
00:19:39,052 --> 00:19:40,721
I honestly believe
400
00:19:40,721 --> 00:19:42,347
that he has a god complex.
401
00:19:44,433 --> 00:19:47,561
ADEWALE: There's a concept
we call learned helplessness
402
00:19:47,561 --> 00:19:50,397
that allows people to feel
like "there's nothing I can do
403
00:19:50,397 --> 00:19:52,149
to change this situation."
404
00:19:52,149 --> 00:19:54,568
The more sensationalized idea
of sexual abuse,
405
00:19:54,568 --> 00:19:56,945
if someone's tied to a bed
or hidden in a closet.
406
00:19:56,945 --> 00:20:00,574
(audience cheers)
407
00:20:00,574 --> 00:20:02,743
The chains and the handcuffs
that we see
408
00:20:02,743 --> 00:20:04,411
are all psychological.
409
00:20:04,411 --> 00:20:06,580
And they're learned
from a perpetrator
410
00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:09,249
who's very skillful
at manipulating an individual
411
00:20:09,249 --> 00:20:11,209
to do what he or she wants.
412
00:20:11,209 --> 00:20:12,628
For example,
413
00:20:12,628 --> 00:20:15,756
often men will put out
feelers out there.
414
00:20:15,756 --> 00:20:19,426
"Put out a feeler to see
who's willing to allow me
415
00:20:19,426 --> 00:20:21,011
to cross this boundary."
416
00:20:21,011 --> 00:20:24,222
So, for example, one might be,
um, "Call me Daddy."
417
00:20:24,222 --> 00:20:26,099
Something simple like that.
"Call me Daddy."
418
00:20:26,099 --> 00:20:27,893
Okay, that's not
the end of the world.
419
00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:29,811
It's not gonna cause you
to psychologically be stuck,
420
00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:31,605
but that's step one.
421
00:20:31,605 --> 00:20:36,526
Step two, "Wear these types
of clothes around me."
422
00:20:36,526 --> 00:20:38,612
Step three,
423
00:20:38,612 --> 00:20:42,032
"You can't move around the house
unless I say so."
424
00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:44,826
So there's no real
grandiose manipulation,
425
00:20:44,826 --> 00:20:48,622
it comes in a slow,
step-by-step process.
426
00:20:48,622 --> 00:20:50,958
And once you're in,
427
00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:52,542
it's really hard to get out.
428
00:20:55,295 --> 00:20:58,298
SPARKLE: When I began
working with R. Kelly,
429
00:20:58,298 --> 00:21:00,509
I did background vocals.
430
00:21:00,509 --> 00:21:02,469
I was hanging out
with Robert at his crib.
431
00:21:02,469 --> 00:21:06,139
You know, the fellas were
around, and I was the only girl.
432
00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:08,809
We were watching
the Chicago Bulls playoff game.
433
00:21:08,809 --> 00:21:12,104
And I kept hearing this knock.
434
00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:15,357
And I'm just like, "Okay."
435
00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:17,526
Robert hasn't moved.
436
00:21:17,526 --> 00:21:19,861
He's focused on the TV.
437
00:21:19,861 --> 00:21:21,780
Knock again.
And I'm just like,
438
00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:23,365
"Do you hear that knock?"
I'm like,
439
00:21:23,365 --> 00:21:25,200
"Somebody's knocking, Robert."
440
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,495
And he leans back
and he say, "Yeah."
441
00:21:28,495 --> 00:21:33,083
And she peeks out the door.
442
00:21:33,083 --> 00:21:35,002
His wife Drea.
443
00:21:36,503 --> 00:21:40,257
And I was like,
"Oh, hell no," to myself.
444
00:21:40,257 --> 00:21:42,843
She wanted to come down
445
00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:44,511
to grab a bite to eat.
She asked him,
446
00:21:44,511 --> 00:21:47,180
"Is it okay if I come down
to grab some food?"
447
00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:51,018
And he was like,
"Yeah, come on."
448
00:21:51,018 --> 00:21:56,273
And I was just like,
"Wow. Never could be me."
449
00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:00,777
INTERVIEWER:
Did he lock you up?
450
00:22:00,777 --> 00:22:05,574
'Cause we've heard stories
where you were locked up.
451
00:22:05,574 --> 00:22:07,409
Is that true?
452
00:22:07,409 --> 00:22:08,869
ANDREA:
There are certain things
453
00:22:08,869 --> 00:22:11,121
that Robert has done
to me that,
454
00:22:11,121 --> 00:22:16,877
that I'm not willing
to talk about today because...
455
00:22:16,877 --> 00:22:20,881
the pain, the disbelief, still.
456
00:22:25,302 --> 00:22:27,512
And the darkness of it.
457
00:22:29,389 --> 00:22:33,894
ADEWALE: Men or women,
boys or girls stay
458
00:22:33,894 --> 00:22:35,395
in victimized situations
459
00:22:35,395 --> 00:22:37,272
due to something we call
the "cycle of abuse."
460
00:22:37,272 --> 00:22:39,066
The-the first cycle of abuse
is called
461
00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:41,902
the "honeymoon phase,"
where everything's great,
462
00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:43,487
everything's crimson and clover.
463
00:22:43,487 --> 00:22:45,489
I give you everything you need.
I love you.
464
00:22:45,489 --> 00:22:47,449
I give you the sexual attention,
the emotional attention,
465
00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:48,909
the financial attention.
466
00:22:48,909 --> 00:22:51,411
And then you start walking
on eggshells.
467
00:22:51,411 --> 00:22:54,664
Little things, like, if you
would do something wrong,
468
00:22:54,664 --> 00:22:57,417
instead of saying,
"Hey, do it this way..."
469
00:22:57,417 --> 00:22:59,503
"Are you that stupid?"
And you're like,
470
00:22:59,503 --> 00:23:01,004
"Why do I have to be stupid?
471
00:23:01,004 --> 00:23:02,089
"Just because
I don't know how to do it,
472
00:23:02,089 --> 00:23:03,423
"it doesn't mean I'm stupid,
473
00:23:03,423 --> 00:23:05,092
"it just means that I haven't
mastered it yet.
474
00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:06,676
I don't know how to do it."
475
00:23:06,676 --> 00:23:09,763
Down to the way he wanted
his pancakes made,
476
00:23:09,763 --> 00:23:11,264
with the crispy edges.
477
00:23:11,264 --> 00:23:14,601
If they weren't crisp enough,
uh...
478
00:23:14,601 --> 00:23:16,103
"You made it wrong."
479
00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:19,022
It would be the smallest things
that you think
480
00:23:19,022 --> 00:23:22,651
would not make the average
person feel inadequate.
481
00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:24,986
But you hear it enough,
and you start thinking,
482
00:23:24,986 --> 00:23:27,823
"Okay, so, I'm not smart enough.
I don't make the pancakes right.
483
00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:29,157
The milk was too cold."
484
00:23:29,157 --> 00:23:31,159
Then one time I make the milk
too cold.
485
00:23:31,159 --> 00:23:32,786
(stammers) "It shouldn't have
been this cold..."
486
00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:34,371
So you're just always
on eggshells.
487
00:23:39,167 --> 00:23:41,795
BRUCE:
After the marriage, though,
488
00:23:41,795 --> 00:23:43,463
she got real quiet.
489
00:23:43,463 --> 00:23:44,965
She was really quiet.
490
00:23:44,965 --> 00:23:50,095
And I think that was how
Robert wanted it, you know.
491
00:23:51,805 --> 00:23:53,807
NORCOTT: Girls and women
are relational in nature,
492
00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:56,143
which means that they develop
and they thrive
493
00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:58,103
in connection with other people.
494
00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:01,189
If an individual wants to come
in and be that most important
495
00:24:01,189 --> 00:24:03,859
relationship in her life,
496
00:24:03,859 --> 00:24:06,611
then slowly, over time,
he can use that position
497
00:24:06,611 --> 00:24:08,905
to guide her behavior.
498
00:24:08,905 --> 00:24:10,532
So you'll start
not doing things
499
00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:13,034
because
"I don't want to irritate him.
500
00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:14,744
This is a really
important relationship."
501
00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:18,373
It's a slow process
of isolation,
502
00:24:18,373 --> 00:24:22,836
of tailoring this person
to what you want her to be
503
00:24:22,836 --> 00:24:26,214
and how you want her to act.
504
00:24:26,214 --> 00:24:28,675
You don't even believe
in your own sense of judgment
505
00:24:28,675 --> 00:24:30,385
after a while.
506
00:24:30,385 --> 00:24:32,262
And you're trying
to figure out:
507
00:24:32,262 --> 00:24:35,182
how do I get him back
to the good space?
508
00:24:35,182 --> 00:24:36,975
Okay, I'll take
responsibility for--
509
00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:39,853
I'll just say it's my fault.
I'll say yes to whatever it is.
510
00:24:39,853 --> 00:24:42,355
I'll apologize, 'cause if I can
just get him back
511
00:24:42,355 --> 00:24:45,609
to the good guy, the one
that I fell in love with,
512
00:24:45,609 --> 00:24:48,111
then I'm in a good space.
513
00:24:48,111 --> 00:24:52,532
How do I stop it?
How do I get you back?
514
00:24:52,532 --> 00:24:56,703
(crying): How do I get you back
to the guy...
515
00:24:56,703 --> 00:24:59,331
that asked me to help him
to read?
516
00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:03,752
SPARKLE: When I began working
with Robert,
517
00:25:03,752 --> 00:25:08,965
I thought he was a genius.
518
00:25:08,965 --> 00:25:12,093
I definitely considered him
as a mentor.
519
00:25:12,093 --> 00:25:15,597
He also became family to me.
520
00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:19,392
But he's-he's a controlling
person. Yeah.
521
00:25:19,392 --> 00:25:22,270
JOVANTE: Sparkle has been around
from the beginning.
522
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:23,813
From day one.
523
00:25:23,813 --> 00:25:26,733
She's his original
background vocalist.
524
00:25:26,733 --> 00:25:28,109
I don't know if you've ever
heard her sing,
525
00:25:28,109 --> 00:25:31,238
but she's got an amazing voice.
526
00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:32,739
The octave range is, like, five.
527
00:25:32,739 --> 00:25:37,077
And she would actually be
in the studio for hours.
528
00:25:37,077 --> 00:25:40,997
Robert and I spent a great
amount of time together.
529
00:25:40,997 --> 00:25:45,252
The process of working
on my debut album was crazy.
530
00:25:45,252 --> 00:25:48,088
♪ All by myself ♪
531
00:25:48,088 --> 00:25:53,593
♪ Taking little man
to church... ♪
532
00:25:53,593 --> 00:25:56,805
The concept for "Be Careful"
came from controlling Robert.
533
00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:58,765
He thought of the concept
for the song,
534
00:25:58,765 --> 00:26:01,601
and he wanted it to now be a
duet instead of just me singing.
535
00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:03,812
♪ Two years ago ♪
536
00:26:03,812 --> 00:26:07,148
♪ Didn't know you had
male friends ♪
537
00:26:07,148 --> 00:26:08,608
♪ Wait a minute. ♪
538
00:26:08,608 --> 00:26:10,610
He... thought of everything.
539
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:12,320
He thought of the video.
540
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,322
He thought of the clothing.
541
00:26:14,322 --> 00:26:15,782
He's a visionary,
542
00:26:15,782 --> 00:26:19,452
so he thinks of the steps.
543
00:26:19,452 --> 00:26:23,123
Where do we go now?
And how do you want me to walk?
544
00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:25,125
And where do I want to see you
and me driving down the street?
545
00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:27,502
And how do I flip my hair?
546
00:26:27,502 --> 00:26:28,670
He has all that down.
547
00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:30,297
So, yeah, that's him.
548
00:26:31,631 --> 00:26:35,802
Robert didn't allow pretty much
anyone to speak to me.
549
00:26:35,802 --> 00:26:37,679
I'm just walking around,
"Hey, everybody, hey!"
550
00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:39,472
And then I'm just like,
551
00:26:39,472 --> 00:26:43,184
"What's going on? Why aren't
these people speaking back?"
552
00:26:43,184 --> 00:26:46,563
Come to find out,
they couldn't speak to me.
553
00:26:46,563 --> 00:26:49,899
He wouldn't let them.
554
00:26:49,899 --> 00:26:53,486
That's not me 'cause I'm gonna
speak to everybody and anybody
555
00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:55,322
and whoever I want to speak to.
556
00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:57,824
So, when I learned that,
557
00:26:57,824 --> 00:27:00,493
I would go out of my way
to speak to people
558
00:27:00,493 --> 00:27:03,496
just to tick him off,
because I'm just like,
559
00:27:03,496 --> 00:27:05,498
"Look, you can't tell me
what I can
560
00:27:05,498 --> 00:27:07,459
"and cannot do.
I'm not that girl.
561
00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:09,586
I'm not that chick.
You can't stifle me."
562
00:27:09,586 --> 00:27:12,839
But I didn't know that...
563
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:14,883
a bomb was coming.
564
00:27:21,056 --> 00:27:22,515
BRUCE:
Robert, he loves basketball.
565
00:27:22,515 --> 00:27:25,560
I-I think he think
he's, uh, Michael Jordan.
566
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,229
We used to go to Michael's
house every weekend.
567
00:27:28,229 --> 00:27:30,482
Play basketball against him
and his sons.
568
00:27:30,482 --> 00:27:32,400
He was thrilled about
569
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,651
Space Jam project.
570
00:27:33,651 --> 00:27:35,779
They actually sent
Robert footage
571
00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:40,533
of Mike doing basketball moves
slow-- in slow motion.
572
00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:42,535
He used to sit up and watch
this footage and say,
573
00:27:42,535 --> 00:27:46,039
"Wow. Look at him.
He just soars."
574
00:27:48,375 --> 00:27:50,502
"He just flies."
575
00:27:50,502 --> 00:27:52,337
He just came out with it.
576
00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:55,215
♪ I believe I can
touch the sky. ♪
577
00:27:55,215 --> 00:27:56,591
And just started singing it.
578
00:27:56,591 --> 00:28:00,136
"Hey, that's it,
that's it, that's it!"
579
00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:04,474
♪ I believe I can fly ♪
580
00:28:04,474 --> 00:28:07,519
♪ I believe I can
touch the sky. ♪
581
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:11,523
"I Believe I Can Fly"
is a powerful song,
582
00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:13,775
and a lot of people have sung it
at talent shows,
583
00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:16,778
it's one of those songs
that inspired a lot of people.
584
00:28:16,778 --> 00:28:19,531
It was everywhere.
Kindergarten graduations...
585
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:22,575
♪ I believe I can fly. ♪
586
00:28:22,575 --> 00:28:24,911
LEMIEUX:
High school graduations.
587
00:28:24,911 --> 00:28:28,331
SINGER: ♪ I believe
I can touch the sky. ♪
588
00:28:28,331 --> 00:28:30,458
-And in churches.
-♪ Think about it ♪
589
00:28:30,458 --> 00:28:33,503
♪ Every night and day. ♪
590
00:28:33,503 --> 00:28:35,255
It was just massive.
591
00:28:35,255 --> 00:28:38,842
It was a huge, huge song.
592
00:28:38,842 --> 00:28:42,929
It was a moment of redemption
in some people's eyes and ears.
593
00:28:42,929 --> 00:28:44,556
People were amazed
594
00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:47,809
that this guy who was very
pornographic in other contexts
595
00:28:47,809 --> 00:28:51,020
could walk in
and do something spiritual.
596
00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:52,105
Religious.
597
00:28:52,105 --> 00:28:53,273
It was genius.
598
00:28:53,273 --> 00:28:55,692
LEMIEUX:
I wonder, considering that
599
00:28:55,692 --> 00:28:58,194
the most famous thing
that R. Kelly has ever done
600
00:28:58,194 --> 00:29:00,113
was "I Believe I Can Fly,"
601
00:29:00,113 --> 00:29:03,992
did that, on some level, make
people feel comfortable with him
602
00:29:03,992 --> 00:29:06,286
as somebody who was
an entertainer for children?
603
00:29:06,286 --> 00:29:08,663
Or somebody who was a good gu?
604
00:29:08,663 --> 00:29:11,207
GEORGE: All these pop stars
pick their titles, right?
605
00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:13,334
"I'm the Pied Piper of R & B."
606
00:29:13,334 --> 00:29:16,921
The Pied Piper was a, you know,
a children's character
607
00:29:16,921 --> 00:29:20,300
who played a flute, I believe,
and children would follow him
608
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:23,428
down the road to
whatever he was leading them.
609
00:29:23,428 --> 00:29:26,639
So, he literally pitched
a metaphor
610
00:29:26,639 --> 00:29:28,850
for seducing
young children with music.
611
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:31,060
ABDON PALLASCH:
If you grew up in Chicago,
612
00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:32,729
y-you've heard about R. Kelly.
613
00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:35,857
My son used to like Space Jam,
so I had to watch
614
00:29:35,857 --> 00:29:39,152
"I Believe I Can Fly,"
the opening to Space Jam,
615
00:29:39,152 --> 00:29:41,988
about a hundred times
when my son was two years old.
616
00:29:41,988 --> 00:29:47,035
Everything he put out at
this point now was just a hit.
617
00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:49,245
And not just
on the R & B charts.
618
00:29:49,245 --> 00:29:53,082
Like, he was now
a bona fide pop artist.
619
00:29:53,082 --> 00:29:56,336
CRAIG:
He won three Grammys that year.
620
00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:58,880
And, boy, did his head
blow up big at that point.
621
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,799
Uh, he became
untouchable in his mind.
622
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:04,511
R. Kelly was one of those people
hiding in plain sight.
623
00:30:04,511 --> 00:30:08,681
And sometimes we, as a society,
are so in denial
624
00:30:08,681 --> 00:30:11,518
of people that we admire,
that we don't want to see it.
625
00:30:18,816 --> 00:30:21,694
My name is Lisa Van Allen.
626
00:30:21,694 --> 00:30:24,030
I was 17 years old
when I met Rob.
627
00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:25,657
A friend of mine--
628
00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:27,992
his girlfriend was going
to a video shoot.
629
00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:30,036
She was an aspiring singer,
630
00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:32,247
and he didn't want her
to go by herself,
631
00:30:32,247 --> 00:30:34,624
so he asked me if I could go
with her to the video shoot.
632
00:30:34,624 --> 00:30:38,294
It was for "Home Alone"
with him and Keith Murray.
633
00:30:38,294 --> 00:30:41,631
Everyone was dancing,
it was pretty upbeat.
634
00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:46,010
At some point, I guess he saw
me, and he had his cousin
635
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:49,305
come over to me and say,
"Rob wants to talk to you."
636
00:30:49,305 --> 00:30:51,891
You know,
I was kind of surprised
637
00:30:51,891 --> 00:30:53,393
when I actually ended up
meeting him
638
00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:55,103
'cause I-I just thought
I'd be the last one
639
00:30:55,103 --> 00:30:57,397
he would try to talk to
because I was probably
640
00:30:57,397 --> 00:31:00,149
the youngest one there.
641
00:31:00,149 --> 00:31:02,402
Rob was sitting near the pool,
642
00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:04,654
and he was being really,
really nice, and
643
00:31:04,654 --> 00:31:07,490
he asked me how old I was,
and I told him I was 17.
644
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:11,494
And he asked me, "Will your
mother let you come to Chicago?"
645
00:31:13,871 --> 00:31:17,166
I knew he was at least 31,
so I thought,
646
00:31:17,166 --> 00:31:20,169
when I said 17, that he'd be
like-- you know, like,
647
00:31:20,169 --> 00:31:22,839
that was gonna be
the deal breaker.
648
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,675
But, um, it wasn't.
649
00:31:25,675 --> 00:31:27,927
SPARKLE:
Young girls are impressionable.
650
00:31:27,927 --> 00:31:30,138
Like, he's R. Kelly.
651
00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:32,348
"Now, look who I get.
652
00:31:32,348 --> 00:31:35,518
Look who is showing me
interest."
653
00:31:35,518 --> 00:31:38,813
He's charismatic, funny.
654
00:31:38,813 --> 00:31:41,774
And he's an all-around nice guy.
655
00:31:41,774 --> 00:31:46,362
But Robert
is a mass manipulator.
656
00:31:46,362 --> 00:31:48,531
Like, everybody knows it now.
657
00:31:48,531 --> 00:31:50,450
They didn't know it back then.
658
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:54,329
LISA: I had heard
about Rob's reputation,
659
00:31:54,329 --> 00:31:57,332
about him dating Aaliyah,
660
00:31:57,332 --> 00:31:59,375
but I didn't assume
that he liked younger girls.
661
00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:02,003
I just thought, at that moment,
662
00:32:02,003 --> 00:32:04,797
I just thought he liked me.
663
00:32:04,797 --> 00:32:09,510
He actually had me go
on the bus, his tour bus.
664
00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:13,765
He wanted me to take off the
little dressy clothes I had on.
665
00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:17,310
It went into him suggesting
666
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:22,065
sexual acts like oral and sex.
667
00:32:24,108 --> 00:32:27,195
I felt like I shouldn't have
done that so fast,
668
00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:30,490
but at the same time,
I didn't want to tell him no,
669
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:32,075
I guess, because I was young.
670
00:32:32,075 --> 00:32:34,619
(chuckles) Pretty much, and I
just didn't want to tell him no.
671
00:32:34,619 --> 00:32:37,372
I thought he might be upset
or, you know, not like me
672
00:32:37,372 --> 00:32:39,832
'cause I-I chose not to do it.
673
00:32:39,832 --> 00:32:43,670
I pretty much stayed on the bus
in his T-shirt,
674
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:46,881
and in between scenes, he would
come back and forth on the bus
675
00:32:46,881 --> 00:32:50,093
until he finished shooting.
676
00:32:50,093 --> 00:32:52,387
We exchanged phone numbers,
and he told me
677
00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:54,847
to go straight to the car
and go straight home.
678
00:32:58,518 --> 00:33:01,562
When I first introduced my niece
679
00:33:01,562 --> 00:33:05,149
to Robert, it was
at 12 years old.
680
00:33:07,193 --> 00:33:09,362
I asked my sister
and my brother-in-law
681
00:33:09,362 --> 00:33:13,408
to bring her down
to the studio to meet him.
682
00:33:13,408 --> 00:33:15,993
She was a rapper.
683
00:33:15,993 --> 00:33:18,746
She was a-a-a
684
00:33:18,746 --> 00:33:20,623
dope rapper, too, like,
685
00:33:20,623 --> 00:33:22,083
she was Bow Wow status
686
00:33:22,083 --> 00:33:23,626
when Bow Wow was
the (bleep) back then.
687
00:33:23,626 --> 00:33:26,379
She was that status.
688
00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:27,880
I wanted
689
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,760
him to do what he was doing
for me for her
690
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,055
because, like, I saw that
hunger, I saw that drive.
691
00:33:36,055 --> 00:33:38,683
I saw that...
692
00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:42,854
wanting to be bigger than life,
if you will,
693
00:33:42,854 --> 00:33:44,605
'cause she was that,
she was totally that.
694
00:33:44,605 --> 00:33:45,815
And he saw it, too.
695
00:33:48,484 --> 00:33:50,570
Initially, my niece
696
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:52,238
would come down
to the studio with me
697
00:33:52,238 --> 00:33:53,990
'cause she wanted to see
the ins and outs
698
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:57,910
of-of how I was working and just
be around the vibe of it all.
699
00:34:01,622 --> 00:34:04,375
She would sit on the couch.
700
00:34:04,375 --> 00:34:06,544
I would go in the booth
and do my thing
701
00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:08,212
and I wouldn't take
my eyes off her.
702
00:34:15,762 --> 00:34:18,014
There were a couple times
that I came into the studio
703
00:34:18,014 --> 00:34:20,308
while I was still,
um, under Rockland,
704
00:34:20,308 --> 00:34:24,812
that my niece would be
in the studio room.
705
00:34:24,812 --> 00:34:28,357
And I would walk in like,
"What you doing here?"
706
00:34:30,276 --> 00:34:31,944
"Who's here with you?"
707
00:34:31,944 --> 00:34:34,322
And she's like,
"Oh, I got dropped off.
708
00:34:34,322 --> 00:34:35,948
"Robert's having
a Christmas party
709
00:34:35,948 --> 00:34:38,618
"or some type of party and
there's gonna be a lot of kids,
710
00:34:38,618 --> 00:34:40,620
"so we're all gonna stay,
711
00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:43,831
you know, at his house and,
you know, have games and..."
712
00:34:43,831 --> 00:34:45,458
So then I was just like, "Okay."
713
00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:53,049
I was pissed when I saw her
714
00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:54,634
in the studio by herself.
715
00:34:54,634 --> 00:34:57,804
My parents were strict.
716
00:34:57,804 --> 00:35:02,141
We couldn't stay over
or be around nobody's house.
717
00:35:02,141 --> 00:35:05,812
We couldn't spend the night at
nobody's house if they had boys.
718
00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:11,567
You're just with Robert
being supervised? Okay.
719
00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:13,986
I thought I left my niece
in good hands.
720
00:35:15,029 --> 00:35:17,532
But think of a grown man
721
00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:19,826
hanging out with young girls.
722
00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:21,869
It just felt like...
723
00:35:21,869 --> 00:35:23,538
I just shouldn't have
introduced them.
724
00:35:23,538 --> 00:35:25,832
Something ain't right.
725
00:35:32,547 --> 00:35:35,550
I actually waited about a month
before I called him.
726
00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:38,678
He was pretty blunt.
"When can you get to Chicago?"
727
00:35:38,678 --> 00:35:42,181
I told my mother the truth
728
00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:46,561
about where I wanted to go
and who I was going to see.
729
00:35:46,561 --> 00:35:51,524
I think she knew that she really
couldn't keep me from going
730
00:35:51,524 --> 00:35:54,110
because I already had made
my mind up that I was going.
731
00:35:57,864 --> 00:36:00,700
It just went
from the first visit,
732
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:02,660
me going back home,
733
00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:04,036
the second visit,
734
00:36:04,036 --> 00:36:06,789
to pretty much where
I just didn't end up leaving.
735
00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:08,207
I just would stay.
736
00:36:14,046 --> 00:36:17,717
In the beginning, sex happened
at the studio a lot.
737
00:36:17,717 --> 00:36:19,385
In the studio he had bedrooms,
738
00:36:19,385 --> 00:36:22,346
so you didn't really
have to go anywhere.
739
00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:28,561
It was pretty exciting
for a young girl.
740
00:36:28,561 --> 00:36:33,566
CRAIG: Chicago Trax was
a really, really big place.
741
00:36:33,566 --> 00:36:38,905
There's a bedroom in the middle
of Studio A, the big room,
742
00:36:38,905 --> 00:36:41,115
where Rob had built
a big queen-sized bed,
743
00:36:41,115 --> 00:36:44,577
and, you know, I'm like, "Wow"
744
00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:47,371
I thought that was
quite strange.
745
00:36:47,371 --> 00:36:49,290
LISA:
I felt special.
746
00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:51,417
I actually thought
that I was his girlfriend.
747
00:36:51,417 --> 00:36:54,629
You know, I was li-living
up there at that point.
748
00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:56,339
We were together
all the time, you know.
749
00:36:56,339 --> 00:36:58,966
I had no reason to question
that we weren't.
750
00:37:02,803 --> 00:37:05,514
Life in the studio,
751
00:37:05,514 --> 00:37:08,392
it was kind of boring
for the most part.
752
00:37:08,392 --> 00:37:12,271
You really couldn't have much
interaction other than, uh...
753
00:37:12,271 --> 00:37:13,606
Well, I couldn't have
much interaction
754
00:37:13,606 --> 00:37:15,316
with anyone other than Robert.
755
00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,110
At that time I didn't know
what a runner was,
756
00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:21,322
but, um, later on, I realized
it was just, you know,
757
00:37:21,322 --> 00:37:24,492
the people that work at the
studio, and they pretty much,
758
00:37:24,492 --> 00:37:26,327
pretty much, like, run errands.
759
00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:30,998
My mom would, um,
call the studio.
760
00:37:30,998 --> 00:37:33,000
The runners would actually let
761
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,710
Robert know that
I had a phone call,
762
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:37,672
and then he would
let them know to,
763
00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:39,840
like, transfer the call to me.
764
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,467
I do know that there were times
765
00:37:41,467 --> 00:37:43,052
where,
when she would get through,
766
00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:45,137
and she'd be upset and saying
she couldn't contact me
767
00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:47,056
and things like that.
768
00:37:47,056 --> 00:37:49,892
So it very well could've been
times where she was calling
769
00:37:49,892 --> 00:37:53,479
and they weren't allowed
to put me through.
770
00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:55,356
One time,
771
00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:57,650
one of his friends
came to the studio
772
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:59,986
and he's speaking to everyone,
773
00:37:59,986 --> 00:38:03,114
and just a normal reaction,
you speak back.
774
00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:04,865
Um, Rob would get upset
775
00:38:04,865 --> 00:38:06,826
and say, "You're not supposed
to speak to them.
776
00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:09,161
"You don't speak to anybody.
You just look straight forward.
777
00:38:09,161 --> 00:38:11,372
If they speak to you,
you don't say anything."
778
00:38:13,749 --> 00:38:15,501
Pretty early on,
779
00:38:15,501 --> 00:38:18,713
he kind of introduced you
to everything that he was into.
780
00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:24,176
It was instructed to call him
Daddy during sex,
781
00:38:24,176 --> 00:38:27,555
but it went from that to pretty
much all time, he'd be Daddy.
782
00:38:27,555 --> 00:38:32,393
The first time Robert
had me do a sexual act
783
00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:35,479
with him and another female,
he actually told me
784
00:38:35,479 --> 00:38:37,189
it was going to be
his first time
785
00:38:37,189 --> 00:38:38,816
and he wanted to do it with me.
786
00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:43,529
He would say things like, um,
787
00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:46,365
"Well, you know, if you love me,
you won't try to change me."
788
00:38:46,365 --> 00:38:48,868
You know, "If you love me,
you'll accept me how I am."
789
00:38:48,868 --> 00:38:51,370
You know, "If you love me,
you'll do these things for me."
790
00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:53,873
So those would be the little
pep talks he would give me.
791
00:38:53,873 --> 00:38:56,167
Robert would film
792
00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:59,295
our sex acts sometimes.
793
00:38:59,295 --> 00:39:02,631
He would never ask me if, um,
it was okay to be filmed,
794
00:39:02,631 --> 00:39:04,467
but he never hid the camera
795
00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:05,885
or anything like that.
796
00:39:05,885 --> 00:39:09,513
Once we did the threesome,
it became more frequent.
797
00:39:09,513 --> 00:39:12,975
Then he started introducing me
to other young women.
798
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,857
The time that sticks out
the most in my head.
799
00:39:19,857 --> 00:39:21,275
We had went to
800
00:39:21,275 --> 00:39:24,111
an awards show,
and I had a great day.
801
00:39:24,111 --> 00:39:26,447
He had, had me buy
this pretty gown.
802
00:39:26,447 --> 00:39:30,409
It was just me and him.
It made me feel special.
803
00:39:30,409 --> 00:39:31,827
When we got back to the house...
804
00:39:33,913 --> 00:39:36,290
...this young girl
was there, and, um,
805
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:38,417
he called her down.
806
00:39:38,417 --> 00:39:41,587
He told me that she was 16
and she was a neighbor.
807
00:39:41,587 --> 00:39:44,090
The way he had put it
was kind of like,
808
00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:45,674
he was trying
something different.
809
00:39:45,674 --> 00:39:48,135
You know, like, new, you know,
with including her.
810
00:39:48,135 --> 00:39:51,472
We all went into the, uh, gym,
811
00:39:51,472 --> 00:39:53,974
and he had the Space Jam stuff
all on the wall.
812
00:39:53,974 --> 00:39:57,603
And he pulled a-a futon mattress
out of one of the rooms.
813
00:39:57,603 --> 00:39:59,021
And he brought it out there
814
00:39:59,021 --> 00:40:00,856
and laid it out.
815
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:05,319
He pulled out his camera
and his tripod,
816
00:40:05,319 --> 00:40:06,946
and, uh, I started crying
817
00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:08,823
when we started,
uh, to have sex.
818
00:40:14,787 --> 00:40:16,622
I didn't want to do it,
819
00:40:16,622 --> 00:40:17,957
and, uh, he got upset.
820
00:40:17,957 --> 00:40:20,376
And he was like, um,
"What am I gonna do with this?"
821
00:40:20,376 --> 00:40:22,711
He's like, "I can't watch this
with you on here crying."
822
00:40:22,711 --> 00:40:24,296
He didn't care
that I was crying;
823
00:40:24,296 --> 00:40:27,633
he was upset because he couldn't
watch it because I was crying.
824
00:40:27,633 --> 00:40:30,803
He's, uh, coaching us
through the whole thing.
825
00:40:30,803 --> 00:40:33,305
He's telling me,
"Lee-lee, lay down."
826
00:40:33,305 --> 00:40:37,351
He's having us perform oral
on each other.
827
00:40:37,351 --> 00:40:41,730
He starts to have, uh,
intercourse with both of us.
828
00:40:41,730 --> 00:40:45,025
She seemed to be, like,
know how things went
829
00:40:45,025 --> 00:40:47,153
without him really telling her
much of anything.
830
00:40:47,153 --> 00:40:49,989
He was more instructing me,
you know.
831
00:40:49,989 --> 00:40:51,991
And, um, I kind of felt like
832
00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:53,826
they've been there before,
doing this.
833
00:40:53,826 --> 00:40:57,163
And once, um, everything's done,
834
00:40:57,163 --> 00:41:01,167
uh, she gets up
and goes into the bathroom
835
00:41:01,167 --> 00:41:04,879
and, uh, she stays there
until we're gone.
836
00:41:04,879 --> 00:41:08,174
But that wasn't the only place
837
00:41:08,174 --> 00:41:11,093
that we had sex
with the young girl.
838
00:41:11,093 --> 00:41:12,845
We did also in
one of his trailers
839
00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:14,513
for one of his video shoots.
840
00:41:14,513 --> 00:41:18,017
The other time was
in the Colorado room,
841
00:41:18,017 --> 00:41:22,021
which is the wood room
in the basement.
842
00:41:22,021 --> 00:41:24,481
He did tape us there as well.
843
00:41:34,909 --> 00:41:36,869
LISA:
It took a while for me
844
00:41:36,869 --> 00:41:38,287
to get to that point
where I really realized,
845
00:41:38,287 --> 00:41:41,248
it wasn't just me that was young
that he liked.
846
00:41:41,248 --> 00:41:44,710
It wasn't a mistake
with Aaliyah.
847
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:45,920
It took a while for me
848
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,714
to just really think to myself
and figure out,
849
00:41:48,714 --> 00:41:51,467
"You know what? This man
really has a problem."
850
00:41:51,467 --> 00:41:54,887
Like, it's bigger than me
and Aaliyah. It's a problem.
851
00:41:54,887 --> 00:41:57,431
POWERS: There are two ways
that an artist
852
00:41:57,431 --> 00:41:59,600
can hide in plain sight.
853
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,685
One is to veil
854
00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:05,397
your bad behavior
855
00:42:05,397 --> 00:42:08,067
in good works, good music.
856
00:42:08,067 --> 00:42:12,154
Music that is uplifting
and transcendent.
857
00:42:12,154 --> 00:42:14,573
These are the artists who,
when we hear that they,
858
00:42:14,573 --> 00:42:16,116
uh, say, were involved in
859
00:42:16,116 --> 00:42:18,244
domestic violence, for example,
860
00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:20,579
or, uh, predatory behavior,
861
00:42:20,579 --> 00:42:22,248
we're horrified,
we can't believe it.
862
00:42:22,248 --> 00:42:24,917
R. Kelly did a little of that
863
00:42:24,917 --> 00:42:26,919
with, uh, his
inspirational songs and his
864
00:42:26,919 --> 00:42:29,880
kind of gospel side.
865
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,133
The other way to hide
in plain sight
866
00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:36,720
is to create outrageous art.
867
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:41,141
Art in which you are embodying
the very stereotype,
868
00:42:41,141 --> 00:42:43,102
uh, that your private life
869
00:42:43,102 --> 00:42:46,105
seems to fulfill.
870
00:42:46,105 --> 00:42:48,607
R. Kelly did this
871
00:42:48,607 --> 00:42:52,069
with extremely obscene songs
872
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:54,822
about explicit sex acts
873
00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:58,951
that also used humor
and outrageous metaphors.
874
00:42:58,951 --> 00:43:01,996
R. Kelly also did this
in his performances,
875
00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:04,456
which were increasingly
pornographic.
876
00:43:04,456 --> 00:43:07,501
-(crowd cheers)
-(R. Kelly singing)
877
00:43:07,501 --> 00:43:12,339
So R. Kelly created
and occupied
878
00:43:12,339 --> 00:43:14,133
a position of outrageousness
879
00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:18,345
that kind of masked everything
880
00:43:18,345 --> 00:43:20,180
that was happening
behind the scenes.
881
00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:22,474
LISA:
We'd be in the studio,
882
00:43:22,474 --> 00:43:24,643
and he'd have her parents
in the studio
883
00:43:24,643 --> 00:43:27,396
and he would actually, um,
pretend as if
884
00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:29,815
he cared that she was young.
885
00:43:29,815 --> 00:43:32,651
It surprised me
because I knew that he was
886
00:43:32,651 --> 00:43:35,237
having sex with her,
but he would put up this front
887
00:43:35,237 --> 00:43:36,655
for her parents.
888
00:43:36,655 --> 00:43:39,533
He knows that he's sleeping
with this young girl.
889
00:43:39,533 --> 00:43:41,493
Him and I both were actually
890
00:43:41,493 --> 00:43:43,495
having sex with her.
891
00:43:43,495 --> 00:43:46,790
But I didn't know at the time
892
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:48,834
that she was actually 14.
893
00:43:50,836 --> 00:43:53,088
I mean, I didn't know
that side of him.
894
00:43:53,088 --> 00:43:54,381
You know, lying
895
00:43:54,381 --> 00:43:57,468
to her parents
to get them to trust,
896
00:43:57,468 --> 00:43:59,345
uh, him with their child.
897
00:43:59,345 --> 00:44:02,014
Two years later, we were headd
898
00:44:02,014 --> 00:44:04,641
to one of his video shoots,
and he actually had
899
00:44:04,641 --> 00:44:06,518
other females
that he was cool with
900
00:44:06,518 --> 00:44:08,520
or had a sexual
relationship with.
901
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,565
The only time he would want you
to communicate with them
902
00:44:11,565 --> 00:44:14,360
would be during the sexual act.
Other than that,
903
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,236
you don't speak to each other.
904
00:44:16,236 --> 00:44:19,198
You act like
each other don't exist,
905
00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:21,283
but I sparked up a conversation,
906
00:44:21,283 --> 00:44:22,910
even though
I wasn't supposed to.
907
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:25,037
She had said something
about getting a car.
908
00:44:25,037 --> 00:44:27,122
And I asked her--
she said when she turns 16
909
00:44:27,122 --> 00:44:29,375
she's gonna get a car.
And I was-- I asked her,
910
00:44:29,375 --> 00:44:31,877
"Aren't you already 16?
Weren't you already 16?"
911
00:44:31,877 --> 00:44:34,588
And she said, "No, no, I'm 15.
912
00:44:34,588 --> 00:44:36,590
I'm about to be 16."
913
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:41,970
It rang a bell in my head
at that moment.
914
00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:43,389
It made me feel,
915
00:44:43,389 --> 00:44:45,432
like, sick to my stomach.
916
00:44:45,432 --> 00:44:49,228
It made me feel disgusted
917
00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:50,896
'cause all of the
sexual encounters
918
00:44:50,896 --> 00:44:53,357
were before I found out
she was 14.
919
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:59,071
(crying):
It still haunts me, you know?
920
00:44:59,071 --> 00:45:03,492
It shouldn't have happened.
921
00:45:03,492 --> 00:45:07,413
I should have never
introduced her to him.
922
00:45:07,413 --> 00:45:09,415
Like, how dare you?
923
00:45:11,291 --> 00:45:14,128
How dare you?
924
00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:31,728
One day an anonymous video
was dropped off.
925
00:45:31,728 --> 00:45:33,105
Hard-core porn.
926
00:45:33,105 --> 00:45:36,275
This grown man urinating
in the mouth of a child.
927
00:45:36,275 --> 00:45:37,776
A lot of people saw
that pee tape.
928
00:45:37,776 --> 00:45:39,486
It was circulating
in the streets.
929
00:45:39,486 --> 00:45:42,823
To see it visually,
it (bleep) me up.
930
00:45:42,823 --> 00:45:44,158
Should've never happened.
931
00:45:44,158 --> 00:45:45,951
That set everything off.
932
00:45:45,951 --> 00:45:47,828
ANDREA:
I'm pregnant.
933
00:45:47,828 --> 00:45:50,164
I was under so much stress. They
couldn't find his heartbeat.
934
00:45:50,164 --> 00:45:51,498
That's when that day happened.
935
00:45:51,498 --> 00:45:53,208
D.A.:
Mr. Kelly has been indicted.
936
00:45:53,208 --> 00:45:54,960
There's been a warrant
issued for his arrest.