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<i> ( music playing )</i>

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When the video came out
of r. Kelly saying that
we could not mute him...

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- Barnes: Oh, yeah.
- ...That it was too late...

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Man on video: Say it again!

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- Man on video: That's right.
- It's too late.

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They shoulda did this
( bleep ) 30 years ago.

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It's too late.

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So many people sent it to me
like, "this is outrageous."

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- I was like, "no,
this is wonderful."
- this is beautiful.

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You know, at that point I said,
"oh, he knows who we are."

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Like, he is actually
feeling the effects
of what it is we're doing.

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<i> ( theme music playing )</i>

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Jim derogatis:
<i> The story here is</i>

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<i> How did he get away with this</i>
<i> for 30 years?</i>

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<i> It should have ended</i>
<i> with tiffany hawkins,</i>

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Victim number one,
for sexual contact

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That started when she was 15
in 1991.

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Tiffany hawkins:
<i> I was the first girl,</i>
<i> and nobody believed me.</i>

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<i> And after that,</i>
<i> it continued to happen.</i>

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<i> Robert was having sex</i>
<i> with aaliyah.</i>

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Hip hop star r. Kelly did indeed
marry his protégé,

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The 15-year-old singer
aaliyah haughton.

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This goes back to aaliyah.

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Reporter:
Robert, how do you feel?

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Reporter #2:
Was it you on the tape?

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R. Kelly on trial

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<i> For allegedly</i>
<i> videotaping himself</i>

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<i> Having sex</i>
<i> with an underage girl.</i>

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A lot of people
saw that pee tape.

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- It was circulated
in the streets.
- She was actually 14.

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Tarana burke:
<i> And he's urinating on her</i>
<i> in her mouth.</i>

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<i> He was not thought of</i>
<i> as guilty,</i>

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<i> Even though the evidence</i>
<i> was there.</i>

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After r. Kelly
got out of trial,
I do the interview.

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<i> He was very nervous.</i>

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Do you like teenage girls?

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When you say "teenage,"
how old are we talking?

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These families came forward
and were making desperate pleas

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To get their children back.

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R&b singer r. Kelly
is denying claims

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He's keeping a household
of young women

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<i> In a cult-like atmosphere.</i>

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- Mute r. Kelly!
- Voices: Mute r. Kelly!

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Singer r. Kelly has denied
repeated claims
of sexual misconduct,

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<i> But now some of his alleged</i>
<i> victims are speaking out</i>

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In a powerful new docu-series.

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Man, how complicit
we all have been.

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I was extremely moved
by that whole show.

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It was very heavy for me.

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The whole thing was eye-opening,

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<i> Painful, sad,</i>
<i> disappointing.</i>

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Man:
<i> Investigators credit</i>
<i> "surviving r. Kelly"</i>

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<i> With helping them</i>
<i> build their case.</i>

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Man #2:
<i> His manager threatened to kill</i>
<i> my whole entire family.</i>

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This is intimidation
and retaliation.

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Earlier today, robert kelly
was indicted before
a cook country grand jury

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On 10 counts of aggravated
criminal sexual abuse

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Involving four victims.

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I'm fighting
for my ( bleep ) life.

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Y'all killing me
with this ( bleep ).

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- Robert.
- 30 years!

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Reporter:
<i> Kelly was indicted on yet</i>
<i> another eleven counts.</i>

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Reporter #2:
<i> With new charges come</i>
<i> three months</i>

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<i> After kelly was hit</i>
<i> with a 10-count indictment.</i>

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Reporter #3:
<i> Overnight, r&b star r. Kelly</i>
<i> arrested in chicago</i>

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<i> On federal sex crimes charges,</i>

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<i> Two law enforcement sources</i>
<i> tell nbc news.</i>

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<i> A spokesman for the us</i>
<i> attorney's office in chicago</i>

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<i> Telling "usa today"</i>
<i> a federal grand jury</i>

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<i> Has indicted kelly</i>
<i> on 13 counts.</i>

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Kathryn m. Martin:
<i> The documentary--</i>
<i> it was a bringing together</i>

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<i> Of the collective power</i>
<i> of these women.</i>

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What I love is the prosecution
in new york.

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It was a creative, bold use
of that law, the rico law.

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<i> The racketeering,</i>
<i> that takes down power</i>
<i> structures, enterprises.</i>

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Derogatis:
<i> This is what they get</i>
<i> mobsters and drug gangs on--</i>

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Charged with a federal
criminal enterprise

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Under the rico statutes
the way they get the gambinos
and the genoveses.

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I've never seen somebody
beat trial twice.

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Just because someone says
something now and it's 2019,

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It doesn't make them credible.

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I think all the women
are lying, yes.

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They're going
on a "surviving r. Kelly" tour.

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Have you ever heard
of anything like that?

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Getting paid, selling tickets.

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I think it took 30 years

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Because the world wasn't ready.
That's ultimately it.

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Burke:
<i> You know, this has been</i>
<i> a long time coming.</i>

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Not only the survivors,
but for the organizers

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And activists and writers,

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<i> And just, like,</i>
<i> plethora of black women</i>

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<i>Who have been ringing the alarm</i>
<i> for the longest time.</i>

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This 30-year history now,
find out about,

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Within the first 10 years
it was pretty clear

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<i> What r. Kelly was doing.</i>

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I talked to more women
off-camera

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Who wouldn't come on camera,

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<i> But they would corroborate</i>
<i> the details.</i>

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<i> So I talked to way more</i>
<i> women in chicago</i>

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<i> Who wouldn't come</i>
<i> on camera than did.</i>

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This has been going on
for close to 30 years now
because of silence.

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This is something
unprecedented in the history
of popular music,

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With, I believe, hundreds
of victims over 30 years.

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I now know 69 that I have
talked to or interviewed

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Or can name
and have read testimony of.

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But that's not counting
those involved

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In the second chicago
federal trial,

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And many who had never
come forward publicly.

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I think it's gonna take
a long time to realize

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Just how big a crime
this was over three decades.

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Bruce kelly:
<i> Robert likes younger women.</i>

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That's just a preference.

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It's a preference.
Everyone has preferences.

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<i> I wish I could kinda turn back</i>
<i> the hands of time</i>

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And pound it into robert
to get help.

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<i> I'm bruce kelly,</i>
<i> robert's oldest brother.</i>

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Since the last time
I was interviewed,

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Of course you can see
I'm-- I'm out of jail.

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However, I'm out, rob's in.

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<i> Robert's not used to this.</i>

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You know, to--
to have your freedom

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Taken away from you

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In any aspect,
it's a degrading experience.

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<i> I'm absolutely</i>
<i> terrified for him</i>

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<i> Because no one wants to face</i>
<i> those type of charges.</i>

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Robert, to me, he's guilty
of a lot of things,

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But sex trafficking
and racketeering is not
one of 'em.

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<i> Anyone that's around him,</i>

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<i> They always looked like</i>
<i> they're having a great time.</i>

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<i> Robert has never put anybody</i>
<i> in an environment</i>

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<i> Where they can't leave.</i>

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People are free to go and leave
as they please.

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A lot of these girls,
they wanna be with an older guy,

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<i> So they lie about their age.</i>

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<i> And some of these girls</i>
<i> are professional at it.</i>

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And then when things
don't go their way,

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"oh, I'm a victim."
that's not right.

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There should be something
done about that.

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Actually I couldn't
exactly follow the trial
because I was locked up.

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<i> There was no tvs where I was.</i>

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I did not see or even know
all of the victims,

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Who they were, what they said,

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So I can't definitely say
that they all were lying.

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I can't do that
because I just don't know.

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I would have to look
at transcripts and go
through all that.

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It's deeper than I
really thought.

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So even though r. Kelly
was arrested in 2019,

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Shortly after,
a couple months after,

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Covid hit,
so all trials were halted.

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Adding to that,
the multitude of charges

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That r. Kelly faces
in multiple states--

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Just figuring out the schedule

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In which r. Kelly
will face these crimes

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Was enough to halt it
for a couple of months.

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After several delays
because of the pandemic,

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R. Kelly will go on trial
here in new york this
coming summer.

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<i> The trial in brooklyn</i>
<i> federal court</i>

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<i> Is set to begin</i>
<i> on August 9th.</i>

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Ultimately, it was decided
that even though illinois

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Has a couple of cases
on their own,

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Brooklyn gets the first
take at r. Kelly.

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They'll get their trial first.

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And by the time
all that's figured out,

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It's not until August 2021

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That this trial actually
comes to fruition.

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( knock on door )

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Jonjelyn?

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Hey.

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Man:
You're hoping to see
your daughter?

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I feel like she does
go to court and supports him

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Wherever he goes to court.

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But I kind of feel like
they're maybe hiding her
right now.

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He's-- he's not the victim.

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I want to make sure
my daughter's fine,

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And that won't stop

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Until I get the answer
that I'm looking for.

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Where is she?
You know, he's here,

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His immediate supporters,
his camp are here,

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So where is she?

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Joycelyn met r. Kelly

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Because she was invited
to a concert.

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I found out that she
was not attending college
on a regular basis.

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That she was
staying in the dorm,

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She was coming
to her classes,

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But she was leaving
and going to r. Kelly's house.

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I'm ready to go.
Like, why I'm still--

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- You don't know who he is?
- Why are we still here?

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Joycelyn did not return to
school after the christmas break

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For the spring semester
in January

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And her room
was completely cleaned out.

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So, there was a whole
morning routine.

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You would roll up
to the courthouse every day

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And usually outside
there'd be a ton of media

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<i> With their cameras,</i>
<i> and there'd also be a bunch</i>
<i> of r. Kelly supporters</i>

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<i> And sometimes</i>
<i> they'd be blasting music.</i>

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There was airport
kind of security.

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We would have to take our phones
and laptops out of our bags

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And it would go through
the security check.

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And then we would go
up to the sixth floor,
at that point,

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Go through security again.

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That was kind of like
our morning routine.

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Free r. Kelly.

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So the trial was six week long.

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Court, every day,
would start at 9 am.

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You would wait in this line.

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Usually, you would be nowhere
near the front

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Because r. Kelly supporters
would show up quite early

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<i> To make sure that they had</i>
<i> their own seat in the</i>
<i> courtroom.</i>

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Man:
Why are you here?

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I'm here to free r. Kelly.

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He's innocent,
and I think they railroaded him.

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Something in my--
"I know I need to be there."

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I said, "I need to be here
the first day."

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The possibility of joyce
showing up to the trial
was in the back of my head.

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We were hoping
she would testify.

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We wanted to stay on task

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And come there to support
the victims.

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Would joycelyn
show up to the court?
I was thinking yes.

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When we walked
into the courthouse

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And I saw the lady
with the red hair,

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She felt more than a fan.

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<i> She had her phone out</i>
<i> the whole time recording me.</i>

223
00:13:31,144 --> 00:13:35,647
I come to realize
I had saw an image of her
on google with joycelyn,

224
00:13:35,874 --> 00:13:38,983
And I'm pretty sure
she was joycelyn's handler.

225
00:13:39,210 --> 00:13:41,486
This woman's job was
to watch over joycelyn.

226
00:13:45,308 --> 00:13:47,992
The last court date,
when rob got shipped here,

227
00:13:48,144 --> 00:13:49,476
I was the girl
that was with them.

228
00:13:49,571 --> 00:13:51,387
I went to dinner with them.

229
00:13:51,406 --> 00:13:53,647
<i> Because azriel said</i>
<i> that rob called her</i>

230
00:13:53,667 --> 00:13:57,410
Told her to meet up
with me in brooklyn,
that I was a cool chick.

231
00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:59,729
During the break, I had came out

232
00:13:59,822 --> 00:14:01,488
And I looked at my phone,
so I happened to have

233
00:14:01,508 --> 00:14:04,067
My phone pointed towards her.

234
00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,419
She thought I was
taking a picture of her.

235
00:14:06,513 --> 00:14:10,073
And then she goes
to the authorities,
which is a police officer,

236
00:14:10,166 --> 00:14:11,516
And asked me--
I told the police,

237
00:14:11,667 --> 00:14:13,076
"no, I don't have
a picture of her."

238
00:14:13,169 --> 00:14:14,260
And I looked at her
and I said,

239
00:14:14,412 --> 00:14:16,020
"well, don't you
have my daughter?"

240
00:14:16,172 --> 00:14:18,022
- "yes."
- and she said, "yes."

241
00:14:30,203 --> 00:14:32,871
When people talk about enablers,
they're all over the place.

242
00:14:46,702 --> 00:14:49,536
I believe the last time
we saw each other was at
the premiere in new york.

243
00:14:49,631 --> 00:14:51,781
Yeah, that was
the last time.

244
00:14:51,799 --> 00:14:53,783
You know, we talk
all the time, but...

245
00:14:53,801 --> 00:14:56,135
Not in person,
so it's good to be here.

246
00:14:56,229 --> 00:14:57,979
It's good to see you.

247
00:15:02,460 --> 00:15:05,461
Where are you today
with the situation with joy?

248
00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,406
Joy-- as of today,
joy's still not home.

249
00:15:08,557 --> 00:15:10,557
Some of his handlers
are still keeping her away

250
00:15:10,577 --> 00:15:13,745
Because he has another
federal trial in another state.

251
00:15:13,972 --> 00:15:19,642
I feel that they are trying
to make us personally,
the savages, look bad.

252
00:15:19,661 --> 00:15:23,312
You know, to say,
"he's been locked up
over two years now.

253
00:15:23,331 --> 00:15:24,923
Why's she not at home?"

254
00:15:28,319 --> 00:15:31,078
We're all in the same boat.

255
00:15:31,097 --> 00:15:33,489
Daughters, first of all.

256
00:15:33,508 --> 00:15:36,583
Second of all,
we have the same problem

257
00:15:36,678 --> 00:15:38,752
With robert sylvester kelly.

258
00:15:38,846 --> 00:15:41,422
My take on him
being locked up,

259
00:15:41,516 --> 00:15:42,756
I'm gonna tell you
the truth.

260
00:15:42,850 --> 00:15:44,500
It has nothing
to do with us.

261
00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:46,335
This was a spiritual war.

262
00:15:46,429 --> 00:15:48,780
'cause a man that get away
with so many things

263
00:15:48,931 --> 00:15:51,432
Of the same
repeated behavior,

264
00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:53,785
Then that's something
between him and god.

265
00:15:53,936 --> 00:15:56,621
But by all means,
I'm gonna be the first
to tell you,

266
00:15:56,772 --> 00:16:00,458
This thing has really mentally--
has messed me up.

267
00:16:00,685 --> 00:16:02,609
I'll be the first one.
I'm telling you.

268
00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:05,521
I live with a whole lot
of regret and pain

269
00:16:05,540 --> 00:16:10,526
That nobody
but probably these three men
here have been through.

270
00:16:10,619 --> 00:16:12,619
You know, there was times
that me and tim talked

271
00:16:12,714 --> 00:16:15,715
That we didn't know
if our kids were dead or alive.

272
00:16:15,867 --> 00:16:18,226
We still fighting now
to get tim his daughter.

273
00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:30,637
When I saw the arrest
in cook county,
it was a sigh of relief

274
00:16:30,732 --> 00:16:32,639
Because he was
off the streets.

275
00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:34,826
By that time,
dominique was already gone.

276
00:16:34,977 --> 00:16:38,496
It's okay, okay.
Daddy said he love you so much.

277
00:16:38,723 --> 00:16:41,332
- Can I have some tissue?
- Yeah, of course.

278
00:16:48,657 --> 00:16:52,235
I felt like now
azriel would be free.

279
00:16:52,328 --> 00:16:55,254
You know, I was in hopes that,
you know,

280
00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:58,349
These young ladies
would be able to be free.

281
00:17:05,416 --> 00:17:08,175
Hmm.

282
00:17:08,269 --> 00:17:10,269
It's been a rollercoaster ride.

283
00:17:10,421 --> 00:17:13,256
When I tell you this stuff
is demonic, man,

284
00:17:13,349 --> 00:17:17,518
And it'd take your soul,
it actually will.

285
00:17:17,612 --> 00:17:20,946
Alice clary:
<i> Our daughter met r. Kelly</i>
<i> at a concert in orlando.</i>

286
00:17:21,041 --> 00:17:23,541
R. Kelly expressed his interest
in working with azriel

287
00:17:23,768 --> 00:17:25,526
To possibly further
her music career.

288
00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:27,545
<i> She thought</i>
<i> this was her break.</i>

289
00:17:27,696 --> 00:17:30,273
<i> Everything changed,</i>
<i> and we stopped hearing</i>
<i> from her.</i>

290
00:17:30,366 --> 00:17:32,383
We have not seen our daughter
in three years.

291
00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:39,799
<i> She fell in love with someone</i>
<i> that is a predator.</i>

292
00:17:39,893 --> 00:17:44,470
Watching the interview
with my sister and gayle king,

293
00:17:44,564 --> 00:17:46,305
It was heartbreaking.

294
00:17:46,457 --> 00:17:48,232
Don't get me wrong,
she looked stunning.

295
00:17:48,384 --> 00:17:51,885
She was beautiful.
But I didn't recognize her.

296
00:17:51,905 --> 00:17:54,463
Tell me, azriel,
why you're crying.
Tell me.

297
00:17:54,557 --> 00:17:57,558
You guys are believing
it's a ( bleep ) facade

298
00:17:57,652 --> 00:17:59,468
That our parents are saying.

299
00:17:59,487 --> 00:18:02,413
This is all ( bleep ) lies
for money.

300
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,918
That gayle king interview,
watching azriel and joycelyn,

301
00:18:07,145 --> 00:18:08,902
I'm thinking
about their parents.

302
00:18:08,996 --> 00:18:13,649
I'm thinking about how much work
it's gonna take to free them.

303
00:18:13,668 --> 00:18:16,427
At the point when they
are ready to be free,

304
00:18:16,579 --> 00:18:17,845
It's gonna take
so much work.

305
00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:24,268
<i> ( phone vibrating )</i>

306
00:18:24,420 --> 00:18:28,255
I'm in florida. My mom,
she was in the hospital.

307
00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:31,091
It was probably
about four in the morning.

308
00:18:31,185 --> 00:18:35,762
My phone rang. Azriel said,
"dad, you gotta come
get me now."

309
00:18:35,782 --> 00:18:39,617
I left the hospital
with my wife's too-small hoodie.

310
00:18:39,768 --> 00:18:41,935
Her telling me,
"do not go home.

311
00:18:42,029 --> 00:18:45,439
Go to the airport.
You gotta go now."

312
00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:49,018
Jumped in my car,
went to the airport, boom.

313
00:18:49,111 --> 00:18:51,796
We coming.
This family don't quit.

314
00:18:52,023 --> 00:18:53,631
( bleep ) r. Kelly.

315
00:19:00,623 --> 00:19:03,866
When I got there, no phone call.
Nothing from her.

316
00:19:03,959 --> 00:19:06,385
I'm like,
"damn, what's going on?"

317
00:19:06,537 --> 00:19:08,962
Maybe the plan ain't work,
somebody came,

318
00:19:08,982 --> 00:19:10,890
And I'm texting her, like,
"az, let me know
what's going on.

319
00:19:10,984 --> 00:19:12,966
I'm ready to come over there."

320
00:19:12,986 --> 00:19:14,877
So I come over there and come
over there and can't get in.

321
00:19:14,896 --> 00:19:16,545
<i> You know,</i>
<i> it's a secure building.</i>

322
00:19:16,639 --> 00:19:18,972
- I was all over the place.
- Yes.

323
00:19:19,066 --> 00:19:21,384
I'm looking like
I'm trying to break her
out of prison.

324
00:19:21,402 --> 00:19:23,477
Every strange person
that walked-- like,

325
00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:25,145
"who is this?",
this and that,

326
00:19:25,239 --> 00:19:28,833
To get my daughter from a place
she felt captive in.

327
00:19:31,913 --> 00:19:34,397
Sounds like
it was an escape.

328
00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:35,915
That's what
I'm telling you, man.

329
00:19:36,009 --> 00:19:38,992
Like, what's going on
that's making her this fearful?

330
00:19:39,012 --> 00:19:41,737
You know, walking
out the door?

331
00:19:41,756 --> 00:19:43,330
People was involved
in the situation.

332
00:19:43,349 --> 00:19:44,924
Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
There's a few of them.

333
00:19:45,018 --> 00:19:47,927
When we talk about enablers,
we're not talking about somebody

334
00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:50,746
Just, you know,
every five minutes
with your daughter

335
00:19:50,765 --> 00:19:51,747
And just sitting there.

336
00:19:51,766 --> 00:19:52,598
These people are people

337
00:19:52,692 --> 00:19:54,433
That he has appointed

338
00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:56,527
To direct things

339
00:19:56,754 --> 00:19:59,697
And shield the girls
from knowing the truth.

340
00:19:59,848 --> 00:20:02,683
Right. So I'm waiting,
waiting. Nothing.

341
00:20:02,702 --> 00:20:06,946
Got a rental,
got the biggest van I could get,
went and booked a hotel.

342
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,855
She finally hit me back.

343
00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:12,043
"oh, dad, all right,
I'ma be ready in the morning.

344
00:20:12,194 --> 00:20:15,454
You gotta be ready
at a certain time."

345
00:20:15,606 --> 00:20:20,551
<i> I don't even think I smiled</i>
<i> till we got out of chicago.</i>

346
00:20:20,703 --> 00:20:25,723
To see her packed and actually
in the car, and she just slept.

347
00:20:25,950 --> 00:20:29,635
And I'm driving just looking
at her like, "damn."

348
00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:32,805
To be able
to go down that highway,
man, for that many hours

349
00:20:32,899 --> 00:20:36,567
And watch her, and had
my baby right there

350
00:20:36,794 --> 00:20:40,129
As the climate changed
from 30-degree weather

351
00:20:40,222 --> 00:20:43,482
To now we going back
into 70, 75,

352
00:20:43,634 --> 00:20:45,743
And she--

353
00:20:45,894 --> 00:20:47,803
Like, "dad,
I'ma drive from here."

354
00:20:47,822 --> 00:20:49,730
And she drove us.
She took us on home.

355
00:20:49,824 --> 00:20:52,566
And I got to--
'cause I had no sleep.

356
00:20:52,660 --> 00:20:53,826
I remember walking
through that door.

357
00:20:53,978 --> 00:20:54,977
Alice was in the kitchen.

358
00:20:54,996 --> 00:20:56,069
She was fixing breakfast.

359
00:20:56,163 --> 00:20:58,998
And then az come the other way,

360
00:20:59,150 --> 00:21:02,593
And, man, that lit
the whole neighborhood up.

361
00:21:02,820 --> 00:21:06,155
My wife wouldn't let her go.
Like, I'm talking--

362
00:21:06,173 --> 00:21:09,100
It was a feeling
that nobody could understand.

363
00:21:09,327 --> 00:21:12,770
It was this amazing moment
because at this time,

364
00:21:12,997 --> 00:21:15,180
You gotta understand,
I'm still a father

365
00:21:15,333 --> 00:21:21,020
That don't know
all these details of...

366
00:21:21,114 --> 00:21:24,931
Unheard of acts that a man
would do to a child.

367
00:21:24,951 --> 00:21:25,950
Right.

368
00:21:28,012 --> 00:21:30,863
Far as me and her
and our family,

369
00:21:31,015 --> 00:21:34,458
We right there for her,
but we got ups and downs.

370
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:36,869
We had to be mindful
of certain things.

371
00:21:37,021 --> 00:21:39,613
<i> Azriel wasn't--</i>
<i> she wasn't a kid anymore.</i>

372
00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:42,783
We had to readjust ourselves
to understand

373
00:21:42,877 --> 00:21:45,136
<i> We dealing</i>
<i> with a young woman now.</i>

374
00:21:45,363 --> 00:21:48,881
It's work for all of us.
It's continuing work.

375
00:21:49,033 --> 00:21:51,475
And I think it's gonna be work
until we finish.

376
00:21:51,702 --> 00:21:53,869
And, you know, we have
another trial coming up.

377
00:21:53,962 --> 00:21:55,387
Coming home,
you gotta understand this,

378
00:21:55,540 --> 00:21:57,815
Because you have
your daughter home

379
00:21:58,042 --> 00:22:01,468
Don't mean you have
100% of your daughter home.

380
00:22:01,487 --> 00:22:04,137
She still have ties
to people she believed

381
00:22:04,157 --> 00:22:07,974
That was on her side
that was coming from his camp.

382
00:22:07,994 --> 00:22:10,644
She believed that people
were sincere

383
00:22:10,663 --> 00:22:12,555
That she met during that time.

384
00:22:12,648 --> 00:22:14,147
They was the ones
that was still trying

385
00:22:14,167 --> 00:22:19,078
To befriend her to persuade her
to not tell her truth.

386
00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:22,656
To tell her don't go to trial,
to silence her.

387
00:22:22,750 --> 00:22:26,418
<i> And she had to find out</i>
<i> that a lot of them</i>
<i> people are sick.</i>

388
00:22:26,512 --> 00:22:29,738
They were sick, just like him.

389
00:22:29,832 --> 00:22:31,907
Dr. Candice norcott:
<i> There are a lot of decisions</i>
<i> along the way</i>

390
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,851
To participate in a trial.

391
00:22:34,078 --> 00:22:36,762
To have to face your abuser
is no small feat.

392
00:22:36,914 --> 00:22:39,339
<i> "if you tell anybody,</i>
<i> I'll kill you family."</i>

393
00:22:39,433 --> 00:22:42,175
"I know where you live.
I'll come get you.
My people will come get you."

394
00:22:42,195 --> 00:22:45,363
If you are being victimized
in a network,

395
00:22:45,514 --> 00:22:49,015
Your sense of
someone's coming to help me
gets diminished greatly

396
00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:51,777
And your hopelessness increases.

397
00:22:51,871 --> 00:22:54,096
Melendez:
<i> R. Kelly kept a really</i>
<i> tight circle.</i>

398
00:22:54,189 --> 00:22:56,207
He had a predatory pattern
of behavior

399
00:22:56,434 --> 00:23:00,044
That was enabled
by his criminal enterprise,

400
00:23:00,271 --> 00:23:03,956
Which in this case
is his bodyguards, entourage,

401
00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:06,550
Assistants, et cetera.

402
00:23:06,702 --> 00:23:09,612
<i> Even before the trial started,</i>
<i> one of them</i>

403
00:23:09,705 --> 00:23:12,631
Set one of r. Kelly's
accusers' cars on fire.

404
00:23:12,725 --> 00:23:16,060
<i> Another one tried to bribe</i>
<i> an accuser to not talk out.</i>

405
00:23:16,287 --> 00:23:19,880
<i> Another allegedly</i>
<i> tried to stop the premiere</i>

406
00:23:19,899 --> 00:23:22,733
<i> Of the "surviving r. Kelly"</i>
<i> screening.</i>

407
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,128
These people,
even after r. Kelly's in jail,

408
00:23:26,147 --> 00:23:27,980
Were still trying
to protect his name.

409
00:23:28,074 --> 00:23:30,724
They wanted these women's
allegations to be snubbed.

410
00:23:30,818 --> 00:23:32,968
<i> They did not want</i>
<i> them out there.</i>

411
00:23:32,987 --> 00:23:35,304
<i> They did not want</i>
<i> r. Kelly's name</i>
<i> dragged through the mud.</i>

412
00:23:35,322 --> 00:23:38,899
People enable because they want
to be in proximity to power.

413
00:23:38,993 --> 00:23:42,144
And over time, the enablers
have also been gaslighted
and groomed.

414
00:23:42,163 --> 00:23:43,879
So they're also confused.

415
00:23:47,318 --> 00:23:49,760
<i> ( sirens wailing )</i>

416
00:23:49,912 --> 00:23:53,155
So, the day my house was
attempted to be set on fire,

417
00:23:53,248 --> 00:23:55,174
There's about six of us
in the house.

418
00:23:55,268 --> 00:23:57,676
All I hear is my son.

419
00:23:57,828 --> 00:24:01,830
"dad! Dad! There's a fire!"
I'm like, "fire?"

420
00:24:01,924 --> 00:24:05,000
We got cars in the driveway,
car in the garage.

421
00:24:05,019 --> 00:24:07,260
Lot of equipment in there
from our restaurant,

422
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,280
Stuff that can ignite.

423
00:24:09,431 --> 00:24:12,116
Got everybody out the house.
My wife called the police.

424
00:24:12,343 --> 00:24:13,200
Boom.

425
00:24:27,191 --> 00:24:29,191
Everybody going nuts.
Wife going nuts.

426
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:30,951
When you're in panic,
you can't do nothing.

427
00:24:31,045 --> 00:24:33,362
- Just everything burned.
- Wow.

428
00:24:33,380 --> 00:24:35,881
Fire department get there,
they hurry up

429
00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:39,051
<i> And put the thing down so it</i>
<i> can't spread and all that.</i>

430
00:24:39,145 --> 00:24:41,127
As daybreak coming in,

431
00:24:41,222 --> 00:24:45,966
We see a big old
can of gasoline.

432
00:24:46,060 --> 00:24:51,880
So then we find out
he doused the whole house
with gasoline.

433
00:24:51,899 --> 00:24:55,400
You know, it was the kid.
Michael williams.

434
00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:58,403
Reporter:
<i> Michael williams has pleaded</i>
<i> guilty to arson.</i>

435
00:24:58,498 --> 00:25:01,165
<i> He's related to the singer's</i>
<i> former publicist.</i>

436
00:25:01,316 --> 00:25:03,242
Through his cousin,
uh, you know,

437
00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:06,820
She's in the paperwork
as well, kash jones,

438
00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:09,398
<i> A cousin or whatever it was.</i>

439
00:25:09,491 --> 00:25:11,250
The kid, michael williams,
got charged.

440
00:25:11,402 --> 00:25:13,844
<i> He got sentenced</i>
<i> to eight years.</i>

441
00:25:14,071 --> 00:25:17,906
But here is a man
that's tried to kill my family.

442
00:25:17,925 --> 00:25:20,909
How do you get yourself
so inserted

443
00:25:21,003 --> 00:25:24,079
That you want to kill
six people?

444
00:25:24,098 --> 00:25:27,266
You going to kill
everybody in the house?

445
00:25:27,418 --> 00:25:29,418
I'm baffled.

446
00:25:29,511 --> 00:25:32,196
- These enablers.
- I'm, like, blown.

447
00:25:51,609 --> 00:25:53,366
Lizzette martinez:
<i> He kinda had, like,</i>
<i> a goofiness to him</i>

448
00:25:53,460 --> 00:25:55,386
<i> When I initially met him.</i>

449
00:25:55,537 --> 00:25:58,797
<i> I knew he was older,</i>
<i>but when he gave me his number,</i>

450
00:25:58,949 --> 00:26:01,058
<i> I wasn't thinking things</i>
<i> would be where they are.</i>

451
00:26:09,569 --> 00:26:13,887
<i> I was a radio dj in dallas,</i>
<i> and I had met r. Kelly</i>

452
00:26:13,981 --> 00:26:16,907
<i> At an after-party while he</i>
<i> was on the "love letter" tour.</i>

453
00:26:25,142 --> 00:26:27,901
<i> I was at aventura mall</i>
<i> with some girlfriends.</i>

454
00:26:27,995 --> 00:26:29,995
<i> His bodyguard handed me</i>
<i> his phone number and said,</i>

455
00:26:30,147 --> 00:26:33,148
<i> "r. Kelly would like you</i>
<i> to call him."</i>

456
00:26:33,241 --> 00:26:36,076
I was so young
and it was so long ago.

457
00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:39,263
But it just feels like it--
honestly, some days it feels
like it was yesterday.

458
00:26:39,490 --> 00:26:42,157
Like, I remember
so vividly things.

459
00:26:42,250 --> 00:26:47,104
And then other days,
I just don't want to remember
and I try to forget.

460
00:26:47,255 --> 00:26:49,255
- Jones: Yeah.
- And then I see faith.

461
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:53,185
And then I'm like,
"this has gone on
for so long."

462
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:57,114
'90s. 2013-ish for me.

463
00:26:57,341 --> 00:26:59,358
And then three years later,
I think '17 for you?

464
00:26:59,452 --> 00:27:02,119
- '18.
- Yeah.

465
00:27:02,270 --> 00:27:06,439
So just to know that
it kept going for that long
between the three of us.

466
00:27:06,533 --> 00:27:11,203
We share this common thing
that is so awful and terrible,

467
00:27:11,355 --> 00:27:13,279
And you want to get
to know the person,

468
00:27:13,374 --> 00:27:16,282
But a lot of us were,
like, shut down.

469
00:27:16,302 --> 00:27:18,543
You and I had a little thing,
and then...

470
00:27:18,638 --> 00:27:22,139
- Yeah, we had a shouting match.
- We had a shouting match.

471
00:27:22,366 --> 00:27:23,807
Yeah, in new york,
we had a shouting match.

472
00:27:24,034 --> 00:27:26,143
We had a shouting match,
but then we put it to bed.

473
00:27:26,370 --> 00:27:28,962
It's weird because
you want to get close,

474
00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:32,557
But then again it's, like--
it's not a fun topic.

475
00:27:32,652 --> 00:27:36,136
I was, like, in a world
that I shouldn't have been in,

476
00:27:36,155 --> 00:27:38,397
And the same story
for all of these girls.

477
00:27:38,491 --> 00:27:40,824
<i> I didn't know kitti,</i>
<i> like, personally,</i>

478
00:27:41,051 --> 00:27:42,976
<i> But I had seen her</i>
<i> on television.</i>

479
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:45,478
<i>And I didn't know faith either,</i>
<i> but I saw the interviews.</i>

480
00:27:45,572 --> 00:27:48,481
The music industry is dark,

481
00:27:48,575 --> 00:27:52,169
And he was an important person
in the music industry

482
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,489
<i> Who made a lot of money</i>
<i> for a lot of really</i>
<i> important people.</i>

483
00:27:56,583 --> 00:27:58,825
That's why it took 30 years,

484
00:27:58,919 --> 00:28:01,095
Because you weren't
important enough.

485
00:28:03,924 --> 00:28:05,424
There was a lot of backlash

486
00:28:05,518 --> 00:28:08,076
And people in the black
community that resented us

487
00:28:08,170 --> 00:28:11,079
For bringing down a black man,
you know?

488
00:28:11,173 --> 00:28:13,006
And this is a real thing
in the black community.

489
00:28:13,025 --> 00:28:16,084
One of my attorneys lost clients

490
00:28:16,178 --> 00:28:18,253
When she posted me
a couple years ago,

491
00:28:18,346 --> 00:28:20,589
And I realized
how much it impacted

492
00:28:20,607 --> 00:28:24,276
Not just us who lived it,

493
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:27,871
But people that helped us
have our voices heard.

494
00:28:28,098 --> 00:28:30,541
There can be a natural instinct
for groups,

495
00:28:30,768 --> 00:28:32,267
Especially
african-american groups,

496
00:28:32,286 --> 00:28:33,602
To want to protect r. Kelly.

497
00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:35,954
In the history
of the united states,

498
00:28:36,048 --> 00:28:37,789
Black men have been targeted
by the justice system.

499
00:28:37,942 --> 00:28:39,291
As a black man, you know,

500
00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:41,460
I naturally want to protect
other black men.

501
00:28:41,612 --> 00:28:45,447
That's understandable,
but I also have to realize

502
00:28:45,540 --> 00:28:48,225
That just because they're black
doesn't mean I need to justify

503
00:28:48,452 --> 00:28:51,453
And rationalize
and protect them.

504
00:28:51,546 --> 00:28:55,048
R. Kelly, he tapped
into a narrative that existed,
you know?

505
00:28:55,142 --> 00:28:58,235
That, um, you know,
women deserve--

506
00:28:58,386 --> 00:29:00,963
Black women in particular
deserve what they get.

507
00:29:01,056 --> 00:29:04,575
If they're abused
by black men,

508
00:29:04,802 --> 00:29:07,393
<i> That protecting black men</i>
<i> is more important</i>

509
00:29:07,413 --> 00:29:08,487
<i> Than addressing that abuse.</i>

510
00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:10,472
Someone like r. Kelly,

511
00:29:10,565 --> 00:29:13,642
Who refuses to take
any responsibility

512
00:29:13,735 --> 00:29:16,420
And only escalates
their behavior

513
00:29:16,571 --> 00:29:20,315
Does leave us with, you know,
few opportunities

514
00:29:20,334 --> 00:29:23,001
But this really broken
legal system.

515
00:29:23,153 --> 00:29:27,431
It's definitely been
an experience, having all
the backlash

516
00:29:27,658 --> 00:29:29,658
And the bashing
of our daughters.

517
00:29:29,676 --> 00:29:32,160
- Every day.
- When they go out,
just trying to--

518
00:29:32,179 --> 00:29:34,938
To live their life,
they're harassed.

519
00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:36,665
My daughter was assaulted.

520
00:29:36,758 --> 00:29:38,500
<i> They threatened</i>
<i> to kill my daughter.</i>

521
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,611
<i> They threatened to come</i>
<i> into my church.</i>

522
00:29:40,838 --> 00:29:46,024
To be backlashed, and then
your daughters to be hated...

523
00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:47,618
- All over again.
- Yes, yes.

524
00:29:47,845 --> 00:29:49,435
Even on social media,
just all over again.

525
00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:52,105
I see my face
all over social media.

526
00:29:52,124 --> 00:29:57,202
We've all moved
from our previous homes
because of this.

527
00:29:57,354 --> 00:30:00,038
It's just gotten to a point
where I can't even
put my kids in school

528
00:30:00,190 --> 00:30:02,207
Because of everything
surrounding the trial.

529
00:30:02,301 --> 00:30:05,193
<i> With a baby wanting to come</i>
<i> like any day now,</i>

530
00:30:05,287 --> 00:30:08,639
I've been advised
to do an emergency move.

531
00:30:08,866 --> 00:30:13,293
It's, like, people don't even
know what's going on
behind the scenes,

532
00:30:13,387 --> 00:30:17,231
Like, what the survivors
are actually going through
and dealing with.

533
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,543
I think I used to always
tell myself,

534
00:30:21,562 --> 00:30:24,137
"I don't live my life
worried about that

535
00:30:24,156 --> 00:30:26,639
Or thinking about, you know,
my past with r. Kelly

536
00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:29,885
Or even being
on the documentary."

537
00:30:29,903 --> 00:30:32,830
But it's taken me
a while to get comfortable
with people again.

538
00:30:32,981 --> 00:30:36,058
I feel like every time
I interact with people
in a very large setting,

539
00:30:36,151 --> 00:30:38,151
I always have to look
over my shoulder.

540
00:30:38,245 --> 00:30:39,561
Somebody's talking about me

541
00:30:39,580 --> 00:30:41,171
Or somebody's saying
something about me.

542
00:30:41,398 --> 00:30:44,299
I'm not able to just introduce
myself as faith.

543
00:30:47,513 --> 00:30:48,920
I don't think it's that people

544
00:30:49,073 --> 00:30:50,755
Didn't believe
these black girls.

545
00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:53,166
I don't think that at all.
I think they believed them.

546
00:30:53,185 --> 00:30:55,668
I think they know predators
in their family.

547
00:30:55,762 --> 00:30:58,522
<i> And I think that they chose</i>
<i> to turn a blind eye</i>

548
00:30:58,673 --> 00:31:03,101
Because r. Kelly was a prodigy
who gifted them

549
00:31:03,253 --> 00:31:06,254
With so much laughter
and joy and dance.

550
00:31:06,348 --> 00:31:10,367
It's hard to think
of a specific class,

551
00:31:10,518 --> 00:31:12,185
For lack of a better word,
of people

552
00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:13,762
Who are treated more unfairly

553
00:31:13,855 --> 00:31:15,688
In this society
than black women.

554
00:31:15,708 --> 00:31:19,042
<i> That has an awful lot to do</i>

555
00:31:19,194 --> 00:31:22,362
<i> With why the initial</i>
<i> allegations against him</i>

556
00:31:22,456 --> 00:31:25,123
<i>Did not receive more attention.</i>

557
00:31:25,217 --> 00:31:28,201
The cultural climate now

558
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:31,613
Is more sympathetic
to r. Kelly's alleged victims,

559
00:31:31,632 --> 00:31:35,450
Definitely,
than it was 2000, 2001,

560
00:31:35,543 --> 00:31:39,621
2008, even five years ago.

561
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,216
#metoo has happened.
There's been a greater
awareness of that.

562
00:31:43,235 --> 00:31:47,738
The black lives matter movement
has made a difference.

563
00:31:47,889 --> 00:31:51,316
Julie reinstein:<i> So, I think</i>
<i> one of the things that was</i>
<i> unique about this trial</i>

564
00:31:51,468 --> 00:31:54,970
Was really what
the charges were based around.
This was a racketeering trial.

565
00:31:55,063 --> 00:31:58,916
R. Kelly wasn't just charged
with aggravated sexual assault
or something like that.

566
00:31:59,143 --> 00:32:03,145
He was charged with having
an enterprise that allowed
him to do this.

567
00:32:03,163 --> 00:32:05,422
It was essentially
organized crime charges.

568
00:32:05,649 --> 00:32:08,316
The brilliance
of the rico strategy,

569
00:32:08,335 --> 00:32:11,987
As it was explained to me,
was that in proving
an enterprise,

570
00:32:12,005 --> 00:32:16,600
You can bring in many victims
who are not specifically charged

571
00:32:16,827 --> 00:32:18,435
With crimes
that kelly committed

572
00:32:18,662 --> 00:32:22,922
In the interest of proving
the pattern of behavior.

573
00:32:23,016 --> 00:32:26,610
At the time that we announced
charges back in 2019,

574
00:32:26,761 --> 00:32:29,780
<i> It was a result of survivors</i>
<i> coming forward</i>

575
00:32:29,931 --> 00:32:32,340
And being willing to go
through a system

576
00:32:32,434 --> 00:32:34,526
And a process that
for so many of them

577
00:32:34,678 --> 00:32:37,512
Had been incredibly
frustrating.

578
00:32:37,605 --> 00:32:41,458
When we're preparing
specifically for cases involving
sex abuse or sex assault,

579
00:32:41,609 --> 00:32:43,685
We recognize
that the machinery

580
00:32:43,778 --> 00:32:46,538
Of the criminal court system
is cold.

581
00:32:46,632 --> 00:32:49,449
It is very systematic.

582
00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:52,210
But you are talking
about one of the worst moments

583
00:32:52,362 --> 00:32:54,620
<i> That anyone can suffer</i>
<i> in their lives,</i>

584
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,383
And that they are required
as a part of this process

585
00:32:58,477 --> 00:33:03,629
To go and sit and talk to many
strangers about this moment.

586
00:33:03,724 --> 00:33:05,631
And so a trauma center approach

587
00:33:05,651 --> 00:33:08,560
Means we come with that
recognition first.

588
00:33:08,712 --> 00:33:11,989
Above all else is the health
and the welfare of the survivor

589
00:33:12,216 --> 00:33:15,659
In the pursuit of justice
and not simply just getting
the conviction.

590
00:33:20,557 --> 00:33:22,240
Definitely was hesitant.
It was like, you know,

591
00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:24,650
You don't really know
if people are on your side.

592
00:33:24,745 --> 00:33:28,171
So I think they kinda had to,
like, persuade me a little bit

593
00:33:28,323 --> 00:33:30,248
Because I definitely
had my guard up.

594
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,679
I was contacted by the federal
authorities in early 2019.

595
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:38,331
I must have smoked like
10 cigarettes

596
00:33:38,425 --> 00:33:40,909
Before I walked into the hotel
where we were meeting.

597
00:33:41,002 --> 00:33:44,412
I was a little bit nervous
and anxious.

598
00:33:44,506 --> 00:33:47,766
When I would meet with them
in chicago, it would be
at their headquarters.

599
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:51,436
You pull in, like, this driveway
that's down under the city.

600
00:33:51,588 --> 00:33:53,530
<i> It looks like a tunnel</i>
<i> or something,</i>

601
00:33:53,681 --> 00:33:55,699
<i> But it's underneath</i>
<i> the building.</i>

602
00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:58,260
And they took me
through the security
checkpoints.

603
00:33:58,278 --> 00:34:00,120
<i> It's really secretive.</i>

604
00:34:04,025 --> 00:34:05,784
Van allen:
<i> Back in 2008, I don't feel</i>

605
00:34:05,878 --> 00:34:08,528
<i> Like they looked out</i>
<i>for me enough during the trial.</i>

606
00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:13,608
They let the defense
say pretty much anything
they wanted to say about me.

607
00:34:13,627 --> 00:34:15,552
That bothered me a lot.

608
00:34:15,703 --> 00:34:19,447
The feds for this trial,
they apologized for that.

609
00:34:19,541 --> 00:34:21,783
Even though they weren't there,
they apologized,

610
00:34:21,876 --> 00:34:23,727
They said, for what I had
to go through,

611
00:34:23,878 --> 00:34:26,304
And they said it would be
nothing like that trial,

612
00:34:26,456 --> 00:34:28,899
Like the 2008 trial.

613
00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:32,794
I didn't hold back at all.
I gave them everything.

614
00:34:32,813 --> 00:34:35,555
They needed to know
the graphic details

615
00:34:35,649 --> 00:34:38,241
Because it helped the case.

616
00:34:38,468 --> 00:34:42,562
For me, I don't have any regrets
because, you know,

617
00:34:42,656 --> 00:34:45,473
What could be worse than what
I've already endured with him?

618
00:34:45,492 --> 00:34:47,400
<i> I always said,</i>
<i> if I die tomorrow,</i>

619
00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:49,811
At least I know that, you know,
my truth is out there,

620
00:34:49,904 --> 00:34:52,814
And no one else
is gonna tell it for me.

621
00:34:52,833 --> 00:34:55,834
My experience
with authorities in 2003

622
00:34:55,928 --> 00:34:59,487
Versus 2019 changed immensely.

623
00:34:59,506 --> 00:35:01,823
I felt like I was handled
with more care.

624
00:35:01,842 --> 00:35:03,825
I felt less apologetic.

625
00:35:03,918 --> 00:35:06,436
I felt believed this time.

626
00:35:09,015 --> 00:35:10,941
<i> My name is lanita carter,</i>

627
00:35:11,168 --> 00:35:14,669
<i> And I was the hair braider</i>
<i> for r. Kelly.</i>

628
00:35:14,762 --> 00:35:18,006
<i> ( voice breaks )</i>
<i> I wanted to make a living</i>
<i> just off of doing his hair.</i>

629
00:35:18,099 --> 00:35:22,619
He pulled my braid down,
like, toward him,

630
00:35:22,846 --> 00:35:24,863
And I go like this.

631
00:35:24,957 --> 00:35:26,197
And he just started
hocking and spitting, going...

632
00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:28,708
( imitates spitting )

633
00:35:30,796 --> 00:35:35,448
He was like, "suck it.
Suck it for daddy."

634
00:35:35,542 --> 00:35:38,468
It was like he crushed my life.

635
00:35:40,530 --> 00:35:42,380
The state contacted me.

636
00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:47,644
They rushed me from my home to--

637
00:35:47,871 --> 00:35:50,372
I don't really
want to talk about that.
That's the state.

638
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:51,890
I don't want the state
to be mad at me.

639
00:35:51,984 --> 00:35:53,725
- Man: Okay.
- 'cause I don't want to talk

640
00:35:53,819 --> 00:35:56,878
About where we met
and all of that stuff
because of the--

641
00:35:56,897 --> 00:35:59,063
You know, like, the safety
of other people.

642
00:35:59,158 --> 00:36:02,567
- Yeah, of course.
- If they have to still
go to that building.

643
00:36:02,661 --> 00:36:07,071
The decision to disclose
is different than
the decision to report.

644
00:36:07,166 --> 00:36:11,651
Many survivors will disclose
to somebody-- friends, family.

645
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:14,896
But reporting to, like,
a formal system is different.

646
00:36:14,989 --> 00:36:17,899
Oftentimes the decision point
is made at a time

647
00:36:17,992 --> 00:36:20,568
That is really early
in their recovery.

648
00:36:20,662 --> 00:36:24,088
Like, the process
of healing from a trauma

649
00:36:24,183 --> 00:36:28,743
<i> And healing from a violent</i>
<i> assault is not linear</i>

650
00:36:28,836 --> 00:36:32,022
<i> Or does not coincide</i>
<i> with what's required to</i>
<i> participate in a trial.</i>

651
00:36:32,249 --> 00:36:34,024
The other thing survivors
also experience

652
00:36:34,251 --> 00:36:37,861
Is feeling responsible,
like they have to report.

653
00:36:38,088 --> 00:36:40,922
<i> They're already at times</i>
<i> feeling responsible for</i>
<i> what's happened to them.</i>

654
00:36:41,015 --> 00:36:42,682
And then being told
by other people,

655
00:36:42,776 --> 00:36:45,535
"he'll go on to abuse others
if you don't say anything."

656
00:36:45,687 --> 00:36:47,929
You know, it's meant at times
to be motivating,

657
00:36:47,948 --> 00:36:49,931
But oftentimes it brings
on more shame.

658
00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:51,708
So it's very complicated.

659
00:36:51,859 --> 00:36:54,936
Sometimes victims of sexual
abuse or sexual trauma

660
00:36:54,955 --> 00:36:58,048
Struggle to talk
to the justice system,

661
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,717
To find a source of support,
because they worry

662
00:37:00,868 --> 00:37:02,886
That the justice system
isn't gonna believe them

663
00:37:03,037 --> 00:37:04,612
Or that it was their fault

664
00:37:04,631 --> 00:37:06,723
Or they were responsible
for the situation.

665
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:08,558
Why didn't they
do something different?

666
00:37:08,785 --> 00:37:10,894
A lot of people are afraid
to go out there

667
00:37:11,045 --> 00:37:13,063
And, you know,
speak their truth

668
00:37:13,214 --> 00:37:15,398
Because of the responses
they might get.

669
00:37:15,625 --> 00:37:17,901
I don't feel good
about being a part of this.

670
00:37:18,052 --> 00:37:21,479
In my victim mode,
I feel like,

671
00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:24,632
"oh, we about to make him mad.

672
00:37:24,651 --> 00:37:26,968
<i> We shouldn't do this."</i>

673
00:37:26,987 --> 00:37:29,579
<i> I remember when I was</i>
<i> in abusive relationships,</i>

674
00:37:29,731 --> 00:37:31,581
You'd get into a fight,
you'd call the police,

675
00:37:31,808 --> 00:37:32,898
And then the police
is roughing him up,

676
00:37:32,918 --> 00:37:34,642
And you're like,
"get off of him."

677
00:37:34,661 --> 00:37:37,161
You know,
it's the same thing,

678
00:37:37,314 --> 00:37:39,589
Where you kind of feel like
when people are saying like,

679
00:37:39,741 --> 00:37:42,241
"r. Kelly is being railroaded
by the system,"

680
00:37:42,335 --> 00:37:47,079
You feel like,
"man, I don't want to be a part
of the railroad.

681
00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:48,656
They're saying
it's a railroad."

682
00:37:48,675 --> 00:37:50,100
I don't want him on trial

683
00:37:50,251 --> 00:37:52,844
For what my whole life
looked like.

684
00:37:52,996 --> 00:37:55,772
I only want him on trial
for what he did to me.

685
00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:10,512
When I spoke to the authorities,
I was very frank with them.

686
00:38:10,530 --> 00:38:13,181
I would have no problem
testifying.

687
00:38:13,274 --> 00:38:15,625
- But I was terrified.
- Oh, yeah.

688
00:38:15,777 --> 00:38:18,870
I was, like,
so riddled with anxiety.

689
00:38:19,022 --> 00:38:21,706
- Yeah, yeah.
- Because to think

690
00:38:21,858 --> 00:38:23,800
That I haven't seen
this person in so long,

691
00:38:24,027 --> 00:38:25,860
And then to have to walk
into that courtroom--

692
00:38:25,953 --> 00:38:28,029
Like, I didn't want
to see his face.

693
00:38:28,048 --> 00:38:30,548
That was-- yeah, that was
going through my head, too.

694
00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:34,052
Honestly, I didn't know what
that was gonna do to me.

695
00:38:34,204 --> 00:38:36,980
You and I,
we kinda got some relief

696
00:38:37,131 --> 00:38:38,706
Because our daughters
are out of there.

697
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,967
But tim's daughter
is still there.

698
00:38:42,062 --> 00:38:44,562
<i>So the fight continues, really.</i>

699
00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:46,156
<i> At some point, your daughter's</i>
<i> coming out of that.</i>

700
00:38:46,383 --> 00:38:48,641
<i> She's gonna come</i>
<i> from up under that spell,</i>

701
00:38:48,735 --> 00:38:52,720
And she's gonna be back
with the people that
really love her.

702
00:38:52,739 --> 00:38:54,497
And there's no doubt about that.
I really believe that.

703
00:38:54,649 --> 00:38:56,833
Thank you.

704
00:38:59,579 --> 00:39:02,321
You know, we're in this
situation with our daughters

705
00:39:02,341 --> 00:39:07,660
- And it affects
the whole family dynamics.
- Exactly, exactly.

706
00:39:07,754 --> 00:39:11,573
You know, like I say,
I have faith where I can
physically see her.

707
00:39:11,591 --> 00:39:13,516
I can call her every day.

708
00:39:13,668 --> 00:39:15,760
You don't.
You don't have joy.

709
00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:18,688
You have the memories,
you have the photos.

710
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,840
- You don't get
to hear her voice.
- Right.

711
00:39:20,859 --> 00:39:22,917
And I know
that that's painful.

712
00:39:22,936 --> 00:39:25,086
Because I believe
she loves you guys.

713
00:39:25,105 --> 00:39:28,031
But then she's got
the handlers in her ear.

714
00:39:28,258 --> 00:39:32,276
She has him making her
believe that he loves her.

715
00:39:32,429 --> 00:39:36,264
I was told that her
and r. Kelly was engaged.

716
00:39:36,282 --> 00:39:39,934
When I heard that,
my heart dropped, too.

717
00:39:40,027 --> 00:39:43,696
Because if he was
to marry her while
he's in jail, he's just--

718
00:39:43,715 --> 00:39:49,201
I mean, that's to keep her
from being able to testify.

719
00:39:49,295 --> 00:39:52,055
Could she really be
in love with him?

720
00:39:52,282 --> 00:39:55,800
Okay, what if she called
today and said, "mom,

721
00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:58,544
I love him. It's me now.

722
00:39:58,638 --> 00:40:00,622
There's no more
competition for him.

723
00:40:00,715 --> 00:40:02,548
If I could just get my parents

724
00:40:02,567 --> 00:40:04,292
To accept that this
is the man I love..."

725
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:07,979
<i> No. This man</i>
<i> has manipulated her</i>

726
00:40:08,073 --> 00:40:11,299
And twisted their minds.

727
00:40:11,392 --> 00:40:14,302
That's not a healthy
relationship.

728
00:40:14,395 --> 00:40:16,821
Derogatis:
<i> R. Kelly's defense team</i>

729
00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:21,159
<i> Had been headed by</i>
<i> steve greenberg since 2018.</i>

730
00:40:21,253 --> 00:40:26,147
Greenberg, controversially,
has referred to these women
as groupies, as liars.

731
00:40:26,166 --> 00:40:29,742
The press conference
he gave in February 2019,

732
00:40:29,761 --> 00:40:32,929
It was an emotional moment
for me, and I blew up
at greenberg.

733
00:40:33,156 --> 00:40:35,247
There are a number of interviews
where the young lady says,

734
00:40:35,267 --> 00:40:37,183
"I lied about how old I was."

735
00:40:45,018 --> 00:40:47,110
You have a book coming out,

736
00:40:47,261 --> 00:40:50,780
And I hope you sell
lots of books.

737
00:40:54,861 --> 00:40:56,344
What else is your question?

738
00:40:56,437 --> 00:40:58,938
All of these women?
They're all liars?

739
00:40:58,957 --> 00:41:01,182
They're all looking
to do a book?

740
00:41:01,201 --> 00:41:05,795
I mean, I think greenberg
hopped on to kelly's defense

741
00:41:05,947 --> 00:41:08,873
Knowing that it was
a high profile media platform,

742
00:41:09,025 --> 00:41:11,042
And I think
he did his job well.

743
00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:15,213
Is it morally defensible
to be calling all of these
victims liars,

744
00:41:15,365 --> 00:41:17,715
Gold-diggers, media hounds?

745
00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:20,793
No. But I guess that's
how our system works, right?

746
00:41:20,812 --> 00:41:22,145
You deserve the best defense.

747
00:41:28,135 --> 00:41:30,320
Before they actually
went to trial,

748
00:41:30,547 --> 00:41:33,656
Rob let a lawyer go,
he hired another attorney

749
00:41:33,808 --> 00:41:37,827
Who didn't have time
to prepare for this trial.

750
00:41:37,979 --> 00:41:40,404
The chicago-based lawyers
representing r. Kelly

751
00:41:40,557 --> 00:41:45,059
In his new york trial have asked
to withdraw from the case.

752
00:41:45,152 --> 00:41:50,898
When you going to trial,
you want your lawyer to be
up to speed on everything.

753
00:41:50,917 --> 00:41:54,827
It's hard to understand
why kelly tossed out

754
00:41:54,921 --> 00:41:59,849
His first legal team
and went with deveraux cannick.

755
00:42:00,076 --> 00:42:02,243
Some people say he fired
the first legal team.

756
00:42:02,262 --> 00:42:05,246
Other people say they left.

757
00:42:05,265 --> 00:42:09,083
<i> It's been reported that</i>
<i>greenberg and one of r. Kelly's</i>
<i> other lawyers,</i>

758
00:42:09,176 --> 00:42:13,938
<i> Nicole blank becker,</i>
<i> disagreed about legal strategy</i>
<i> in his defense.</i>

759
00:42:14,090 --> 00:42:17,200
<i> Did nicole get</i>
<i> in r. Kelly's ear?</i>
<i> We don't really know.</i>

760
00:42:17,427 --> 00:42:21,204
<i> But greenberg left</i>
<i> and blank becker stayed.</i>

761
00:42:21,355 --> 00:42:23,264
Rouhani:
<i> It felt like nicole blank</i>
<i> becker became the face</i>

762
00:42:23,283 --> 00:42:25,266
<i> Of the trial</i>
<i> once greenberg left.</i>

763
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:27,769
The plan wasn't
for what his defense was

764
00:42:27,787 --> 00:42:29,028
To be what his defense was.

765
00:42:29,122 --> 00:42:30,380
It just kind of
turned out that way.

766
00:42:30,531 --> 00:42:33,124
<i> Deveraux cannick</i>
<i> came into the trial</i>

767
00:42:33,276 --> 00:42:35,126
<i> Later in the game</i>
<i> than everyone else did,</i>

768
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:37,962
And he was the one that seemed
to have the most experience.

769
00:42:38,056 --> 00:42:42,725
<i> The experience level</i>
<i> was something that led</i>

770
00:42:42,877 --> 00:42:44,894
To some disputes in terms of
who should take on what.

771
00:42:45,046 --> 00:42:47,379
<i> It just felt</i>
<i> a little chaotic,</i>

772
00:42:47,473 --> 00:42:50,567
Which I think sort of
foreshadowed what was to come.

773
00:42:59,302 --> 00:43:02,653
The final indictment
that comes out of brooklyn,
it names six women.

774
00:43:02,747 --> 00:43:04,322
And then a month before trial,

775
00:43:04,474 --> 00:43:08,476
Prosecutors also add on
this very large

776
00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:13,756
<i> 55-page document that lists</i>
<i> 14 additional women</i>
<i> and two men.</i>

777
00:43:13,908 --> 00:43:16,759
For the first time, we're
hearing of a john doe.

778
00:43:16,986 --> 00:43:19,837
The feds are laying it all out
in these 52 pages.

779
00:43:19,989 --> 00:43:22,340
The new accusations
describe young boys

780
00:43:22,492 --> 00:43:24,249
<i> As r. Kelly victims too.</i>

781
00:43:24,344 --> 00:43:27,753
That was really new information,
I think, for most of us,

782
00:43:27,772 --> 00:43:30,106
And just kind
of shed new light

783
00:43:30,257 --> 00:43:32,942
On how many people
he really hurt.

784
00:43:33,169 --> 00:43:36,261
( distorted )
I was not aware until a couple
of the girls in the house

785
00:43:36,356 --> 00:43:38,022
Started to talk about it,

786
00:43:38,174 --> 00:43:40,950
Of there being a guy
that he was involved with

787
00:43:41,102 --> 00:43:43,511
Who would sometimes come
into the bedroom with them.

788
00:43:43,604 --> 00:43:46,180
I think I'd heard rumors
before that-- you know,

789
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:49,274
That there were male victims
of r. Kelly.

790
00:43:49,294 --> 00:43:53,946
I think it's more
about the acts for him,
the control and the power.

791
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,356
It doesn't matter who it is.

792
00:43:55,375 --> 00:43:57,541
It doesn't matter
what they look like.

793
00:43:57,636 --> 00:44:00,194
It's, "can I get power
and control over this person?"

794
00:44:00,287 --> 00:44:03,698
The young boy that he raped--

795
00:44:03,791 --> 00:44:05,867
You can't consent
when you're underage.

796
00:44:05,885 --> 00:44:07,810
They were sexually assaulted
and groomed.

797
00:44:07,962 --> 00:44:10,371
He's pure satan.

798
00:44:10,464 --> 00:44:12,874
I wish he'd be
locked up forever

799
00:44:12,967 --> 00:44:15,059
For what he's done
to all these girls,

800
00:44:15,153 --> 00:44:17,395
Young boys, young men.

801
00:44:17,489 --> 00:44:20,657
He's a predator,
and a predator needs
to be put down.

802
00:44:33,004 --> 00:44:34,395
Noah goldberg:<i> It's day one</i>
<i> of the r. Kelly trial.</i>

803
00:44:34,414 --> 00:44:36,005
The prosecutors open first,

804
00:44:36,232 --> 00:44:37,915
And they basically describe
the enterprise

805
00:44:38,067 --> 00:44:39,417
That they say r. Kelly ran.

806
00:44:39,511 --> 00:44:41,235
And then the defense came on.

807
00:44:41,328 --> 00:44:42,845
His lawyer
nicole blank becker,

808
00:44:43,072 --> 00:44:44,347
She went for even longer
than the prosecution.

809
00:44:44,574 --> 00:44:47,074
<i> She seemed a little nervous</i>
<i> at first,</i>

810
00:44:47,168 --> 00:44:49,310
But she didn't finish,
uh, before lunch.

811
00:44:51,523 --> 00:44:55,433
We saw this was a pattern,
this was an enterprise.

812
00:44:55,585 --> 00:44:58,419
And it was obvious
that the defense

813
00:44:58,438 --> 00:45:00,588
Didn't really have
much of a defense.

814
00:45:00,681 --> 00:45:04,091
The defense that they put up,
it was nothing.

815
00:45:04,185 --> 00:45:05,593
The opening statement
from the defense,

816
00:45:05,686 --> 00:45:09,096
On top of having
all these pretty shameful

817
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:10,932
Accusations against the women,

818
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:12,600
Was also just a hot mess.

819
00:45:12,693 --> 00:45:15,861
The defense had lanes
and opportunities

820
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,531
To do a smart opening statement,

821
00:45:19,625 --> 00:45:22,885
And instead it was just
riddled with these really
bizarre moments

822
00:45:23,037 --> 00:45:24,612
That was hard to get past.

823
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:26,614
Nicole blank becker,
who was one of the main

824
00:45:26,632 --> 00:45:28,616
Defense attorneys for r. Kelly,

825
00:45:28,709 --> 00:45:32,377
She was the only woman
on his team.

826
00:45:32,397 --> 00:45:35,122
She spoke
for maybe three hours?

827
00:45:35,216 --> 00:45:36,624
It was all over the place.

828
00:45:36,717 --> 00:45:38,884
Nicole blank becker
several times

829
00:45:38,903 --> 00:45:41,237
<i> Referred to "girls,"</i>

830
00:45:41,388 --> 00:45:44,556
<i> Sort of underscoring</i>
<i> the prosecution's case,</i>

831
00:45:44,650 --> 00:45:46,558
<i> That these were</i>
<i> underage victims.</i>

832
00:45:46,578 --> 00:45:52,323
She said, at one point that
"you must find r. Kelly guilty."

833
00:45:52,475 --> 00:45:53,975
<i> And then she corrected herself</i>
<i> and said,</i>

834
00:45:54,068 --> 00:45:57,328
"I'm sorry, not guilty.
Excuse me." wow.

835
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,331
She was just
all over the place.

836
00:46:00,425 --> 00:46:02,759
The judge was like, "hold up,
we need to take a break.

837
00:46:02,986 --> 00:46:05,577
Just come to the bench
and let's sit down and talk
about what's going on here."

838
00:46:05,671 --> 00:46:10,174
Cannick-- the case
is about racketeering
and sex trafficking.

839
00:46:10,326 --> 00:46:13,160
He just didn't touch on
the things that he should have.

840
00:46:13,254 --> 00:46:16,105
- Bad move.
- What was kelly thinking?

841
00:46:16,332 --> 00:46:18,516
Why did he switch up
his defense?

842
00:46:18,610 --> 00:46:20,443
Only robert knows.

843
00:46:24,690 --> 00:46:28,600
I think I'm all cried out,
but I was shaking earlier.

844
00:46:28,694 --> 00:46:30,511
My hands couldn't stop shaking.

845
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:32,346
I think personally
our presence was here

846
00:46:32,365 --> 00:46:34,439
To let the victims know--

847
00:46:34,534 --> 00:46:37,960
Even though I didn't get
a chance to see my daughter--

848
00:46:38,187 --> 00:46:40,521
It was to let the victims
know that we're here

849
00:46:40,540 --> 00:46:42,298
And we're here
for support for them.

850
00:46:47,138 --> 00:46:51,215
Azriel clary's testimony
is just horrifying to read,

851
00:46:51,367 --> 00:46:52,700
And just disgusting.

852
00:46:52,718 --> 00:46:54,960
The court heard
the latest testimony

853
00:46:54,979 --> 00:46:56,628
From a woman in her twenties.

854
00:46:56,722 --> 00:46:59,148
However, she says she was 17

855
00:46:59,375 --> 00:47:02,318
<i>When she started a relationship</i>
<i> with r. Kelly.</i>

856
00:47:02,545 --> 00:47:04,712
<i> The woman also testified</i>
<i> kelly had strict rules,</i>

857
00:47:04,730 --> 00:47:07,214
<i> Which if broken, would result</i>
<i> in physical abuse.</i>

858
00:47:07,233 --> 00:47:10,384
I was sick to my stomach.

859
00:47:10,477 --> 00:47:12,736
That one made me upset,
really upset.

860
00:47:12,831 --> 00:47:16,240
I experienced some really
degrading and disgusting things.

861
00:47:16,334 --> 00:47:18,334
And I just...

862
00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:22,487
( sighs )

863
00:47:22,582 --> 00:47:24,732
The prosecution
methodically told us

864
00:47:24,825 --> 00:47:27,343
The story of azriel clary.

865
00:47:30,756 --> 00:47:34,091
<i> There she is,</i>
<i> giving this testimony,</i>

866
00:47:34,185 --> 00:47:37,669
Including how she was coached,
along with joy savage,

867
00:47:37,689 --> 00:47:39,171
To lie to gayle king.

868
00:47:39,265 --> 00:47:41,082
<i> From the transcript--</i>

869
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:42,507
<i> "were you truthful</i>
<i> when you spoke to gayle king?"</i>

870
00:47:42,527 --> 00:47:44,085
<i> "I was not."</i>

871
00:47:44,103 --> 00:47:46,511
During the trial,
you testified that--

872
00:47:46,531 --> 00:47:48,255
You said, "I was not honest,"

873
00:47:48,274 --> 00:47:50,091
In the interview
that you did with us.

874
00:47:50,109 --> 00:47:52,684
- Yeah.
- What were you
not honest about?

875
00:47:52,778 --> 00:47:56,688
- Everything. Everything.
- Everything.

876
00:47:56,782 --> 00:48:02,378
He had us practicing
every single day.

877
00:48:02,605 --> 00:48:05,030
- Practicing what?
- Answering questions.

878
00:48:05,124 --> 00:48:06,607
And if he didn't
like our answer,

879
00:48:06,626 --> 00:48:10,386
He would tell us exactly
what to say and how to say it.

880
00:48:10,613 --> 00:48:13,205
She wrote a journal entry
at age 17

881
00:48:13,224 --> 00:48:17,134
<i> Reminding herself</i>
<i> of "daddy's rules."</i>

882
00:48:17,286 --> 00:48:19,228
<i> "I love daddy</i>
<i> and I'm happy to be here."</i>

883
00:48:19,455 --> 00:48:23,215
<i> "if daddy belches, say,</i>
<i> 'god bless you, daddy.'"</i>

884
00:48:23,309 --> 00:48:28,404
<i> "remember to be young</i>
<i> and optimistic and bubbly,</i>

885
00:48:28,631 --> 00:48:31,315
Like the little girl I was
when I first met daddy."

886
00:48:31,467 --> 00:48:34,802
"never question anything
daddy asks of me."

887
00:48:34,820 --> 00:48:36,820
"never question daddy."

888
00:48:36,915 --> 00:48:40,750
She gave us the clean version
of a bad situation.

889
00:48:40,901 --> 00:48:43,477
So it's things that were
enough to ruffle your feathers,

890
00:48:43,570 --> 00:48:46,422
Get you upset,
and be glad she was home.

891
00:48:46,649 --> 00:48:49,574
But then to hear the things
that really went on,

892
00:48:49,594 --> 00:48:51,318
That's a whole 'nother level.

893
00:48:51,337 --> 00:48:54,338
To take the stand,
and to so bravely say

894
00:48:54,432 --> 00:48:56,415
<i> The things she said,</i>

895
00:48:56,509 --> 00:48:58,659
<i> That kelly</i>
<i> would ejaculate on her</i>

896
00:48:58,752 --> 00:49:01,270
And not allow her
to clean herself off,

897
00:49:01,422 --> 00:49:04,256
That you had
to carry this all day.

898
00:49:04,275 --> 00:49:09,445
That if she had not sufficiently
sexually pleasured him,

899
00:49:09,596 --> 00:49:13,857
While he was videotaping the act
as he often, often did,

900
00:49:13,952 --> 00:49:17,269
<i> The punishment,</i>
<i> the "chastisement,"</i>
<i> was his word,</i>

901
00:49:17,363 --> 00:49:21,791
<i> Would be to smear</i>
<i> her own excrement on herself,</i>
<i> to eat it.</i>

902
00:49:22,018 --> 00:49:25,352
And if it wasn't done
enthusiastically enough,

903
00:49:25,446 --> 00:49:27,705
To repeat the performance.

904
00:49:27,857 --> 00:49:31,358
Once you reached
your one-year anniversary,
that's what you do--

905
00:49:31,452 --> 00:49:33,877
Eating his feces
and drinking urine.

906
00:49:34,030 --> 00:49:36,880
He wanted you to prove
that you were loyal to him

907
00:49:36,975 --> 00:49:41,368
And that you really loved him,
and that you two were bonded

908
00:49:41,387 --> 00:49:43,628
And you couldn't be,
you know, separated.

909
00:49:43,648 --> 00:49:46,874
It was something that happened
quite often.

910
00:49:46,892 --> 00:49:51,136
( distorted )
azriel, she was on the tour bus,
they were in the back room,

911
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:55,140
<i> And I heard him hitting her--</i>

912
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:57,642
<i> "spanking," as he calls it.</i>

913
00:49:57,737 --> 00:50:01,388
There was another incident
where robert made
one of the girls--

914
00:50:01,407 --> 00:50:05,650
Or a couple of the girls
eat his feces.

915
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:11,507
That was more of a loyalty
type of ritual,

916
00:50:11,734 --> 00:50:15,236
When they had, um,
had to eat the feces.

917
00:50:15,329 --> 00:50:19,406
Even recounting,
my body is kind of having

918
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:24,762
The same physiological response
that it had then. I was sick.

919
00:50:24,914 --> 00:50:27,356
Putting feces on someone's body
and painting their face

920
00:50:27,583 --> 00:50:30,359
Is just another form
of extreme control.

921
00:50:30,586 --> 00:50:32,920
Extreme control
and extreme manipulation.

922
00:50:32,938 --> 00:50:34,846
The loss of control as a child,

923
00:50:34,866 --> 00:50:36,681
The loss of control
as a teenager,

924
00:50:36,701 --> 00:50:41,186
Can push you in a compulsive
type of behavior

925
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,613
To regain that control.

926
00:50:42,765 --> 00:50:44,356
How can you do this?

927
00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:46,525
Take away other people's
control.

928
00:50:46,544 --> 00:50:48,878
And you dominate
not only your feelings
and your behavior,

929
00:50:49,029 --> 00:50:51,380
But the behaviors
of other people.

930
00:50:54,201 --> 00:50:56,385
Jim derogatis:
<i> This is gonna follow her</i>
<i> for the rest of her life,</i>

931
00:50:56,537 --> 00:50:59,463
<i>And yet here's this woman doing</i>
<i> this incredible brave thing.</i>

932
00:50:59,557 --> 00:51:00,948
<i> Talk about strength.</i>

933
00:51:01,041 --> 00:51:03,476
There was no joy
in telling those facts.

934
00:51:05,304 --> 00:51:08,522
Eating human feces, um...

935
00:51:11,552 --> 00:51:13,143
I don't know even know
who the woman is,

936
00:51:13,237 --> 00:51:15,387
It just said "jane doe,"

937
00:51:15,481 --> 00:51:18,315
And, um, it took me back.

938
00:51:18,409 --> 00:51:20,150
I was just so disgusted.

939
00:51:20,244 --> 00:51:22,469
<i> I wanted him to fry in hell</i>

940
00:51:22,488 --> 00:51:24,396
<i> After I read</i>
<i> some of that stuff.</i>

941
00:51:24,415 --> 00:51:26,473
I've read all the transcripts.

942
00:51:26,492 --> 00:51:29,734
It made me question
me as a father.

943
00:51:29,754 --> 00:51:33,405
It made me feel...

944
00:51:33,424 --> 00:51:35,649
Empty again, dark.

945
00:51:35,742 --> 00:51:39,336
She also apologized
to gayle king

946
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:43,081
For the disrespect
on the first interview.

947
00:51:43,101 --> 00:51:45,993
- I gave someone that
control over me...
- Mm-hmm.

948
00:51:46,086 --> 00:51:47,770
...To basically make me do

949
00:51:47,997 --> 00:51:49,830
Whatever it was
that they wanted me to do

950
00:51:49,923 --> 00:51:51,756
And act however
they wanted me to act.

951
00:51:51,851 --> 00:51:54,501
I can't imagine how hard it was

952
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,595
For azriel to have
to tell her truth.

953
00:51:56,614 --> 00:51:59,949
He made her have group sex.
They were little kids.

954
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:02,860
They were young kids
who wanted to be somebody.

955
00:52:02,954 --> 00:52:06,347
<i> Same story,</i>
<i> and he just groomed them.</i>

956
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,624
The little piece of me
during my journey

957
00:52:08,851 --> 00:52:10,442
That wanted him
to get some help,

958
00:52:10,536 --> 00:52:13,020
It just went out the window.

959
00:52:13,038 --> 00:52:14,630
It went out the window.

960
00:52:23,808 --> 00:52:25,808
( line ringing )

961
00:52:26,035 --> 00:52:27,217
Lanita:<i> Hey, miss rodgers,</i>
<i> how you doing?</i>

962
00:52:27,311 --> 00:52:29,052
I'm good. How are you?

963
00:52:29,147 --> 00:52:32,631
<i> I'm doing okay. Just trying</i>
<i> to keep it together.</i>

964
00:52:32,725 --> 00:52:34,558
I hear you. I hear you.

965
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:39,380
Well, I'm actually in new york
getting ready for trial...

966
00:52:39,398 --> 00:52:41,048
<i> How you feeling?</i>
<i> You feeling okay?</i>

967
00:52:41,141 --> 00:52:44,718
...With faith.
I'm a little overwhelmed.

968
00:52:44,737 --> 00:52:46,887
<i> But, you know,</i>
<i> we've come too far</i>

969
00:52:46,906 --> 00:52:48,998
<i> And I'ma see it through</i>

970
00:52:49,225 --> 00:52:51,408
Until each of y'all
get what y'all deserve,

971
00:52:51,502 --> 00:52:55,337
And that's a guilty sentence.

972
00:52:55,564 --> 00:52:57,915
- Guilty.
-<i> Yeah.</i>

973
00:52:58,067 --> 00:53:00,492
The federal authorities
didn't interview me.

974
00:53:00,586 --> 00:53:03,679
They did interview
my wife because she was
involved in the case.

975
00:53:03,906 --> 00:53:06,924
I will say that, you know,
the times that faith
had to meet with them,

976
00:53:07,018 --> 00:53:10,761
We were never allowed to be
in the interview process.

977
00:53:10,855 --> 00:53:14,673
They took her off, and sometimes
she would be gone for hours.

978
00:53:14,767 --> 00:53:19,528
Kelly:
Right now she's in another area
of the courthouse talking.

979
00:53:24,184 --> 00:53:28,520
This is where we are,
sitting here waiting on--

980
00:53:28,614 --> 00:53:30,039
Waiting on our baby girl.

981
00:53:30,190 --> 00:53:33,600
She's had a stressful,
long day.

982
00:53:33,694 --> 00:53:36,545
You know, we just want her
to know we're sitting here
waiting on them.

983
00:53:36,772 --> 00:53:41,383
- Yes.
- So when she come out,
we're can love on her.

984
00:53:43,721 --> 00:53:46,947
Over the last couple years,
I realized I haven't had

985
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,451
Anything really
important going on besides
dealing with this

986
00:53:50,469 --> 00:53:52,803
And always being
sucked back into this.

987
00:53:52,897 --> 00:53:58,642
And that is kind of hard to be
honest with yourself about.

988
00:53:58,736 --> 00:54:01,795
I can't say that I'm still ready
to be in a relationship

989
00:54:01,814 --> 00:54:05,315
Or every day I wake up
and I feel good.

990
00:54:05,409 --> 00:54:07,985
No. I'm still not there.

991
00:54:08,137 --> 00:54:09,745
<i> There were days where I would</i>
<i> just sit on the couch</i>

992
00:54:09,896 --> 00:54:12,990
For weeks at a time,
not get dressed,

993
00:54:13,084 --> 00:54:17,920
Not get my hair done because
I'm just sick in my head.

994
00:54:18,071 --> 00:54:21,164
There were a lot of times
I called some of my friends,
and I'm like,

995
00:54:21,259 --> 00:54:24,093
"I really don't think
I'm gonna make it to 30,"
you know?

996
00:54:24,244 --> 00:54:27,245
I'm 24 years old,
and I was like, "I hate life."

997
00:54:27,339 --> 00:54:31,341
And I'm getting emotional
just talking about it
because I have--

998
00:54:31,435 --> 00:54:33,660
It has taken everything in me

999
00:54:33,754 --> 00:54:36,772
To not just
blow my head off some days

1000
00:54:36,999 --> 00:54:39,692
Because I felt like
I can't press forward.

1001
00:54:45,783 --> 00:54:49,026
Kelly rodgers:
<i> Faith didn't want</i>
<i> to be jane doe 6.</i>

1002
00:54:49,178 --> 00:54:53,363
She felt like,
"if I filed these charges,

1003
00:54:53,516 --> 00:54:55,699
I've already gone
before the world.

1004
00:54:55,851 --> 00:54:57,776
Why would I identify
as a number?

1005
00:54:57,870 --> 00:54:59,611
I'm gonna say who I am.

1006
00:54:59,630 --> 00:55:02,614
I'm jane doe #6, faith rodgers."

1007
00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:06,785
I was a nervous wreck because
I was worried about you

1008
00:55:06,879 --> 00:55:09,696
Walking into that courtroom
and having to see this fool.

1009
00:55:09,715 --> 00:55:12,624
- You were on my mind heavy.
- Yeah.

1010
00:55:12,718 --> 00:55:14,977
- Thank you.
- I don't know what
you did to prepare,

1011
00:55:15,128 --> 00:55:17,813
- But that's bravery.
- Thank you.

1012
00:55:17,964 --> 00:55:20,816
There was no playbook
on how to prepare for trial.

1013
00:55:21,043 --> 00:55:24,803
The number one thing
I was just trying to worry about
was just holding my composure.

1014
00:55:24,897 --> 00:55:29,049
So to mentally tell myself,
"don't let this person
tear me down.

1015
00:55:29,142 --> 00:55:32,494
Don't let this person
that has had all these things
happen to me on purpose,

1016
00:55:32,646 --> 00:55:34,888
Don't let his team see
that they're eating me up."

1017
00:55:34,981 --> 00:55:37,741
Even though I wanna yell,
I wanna shout,

1018
00:55:37,893 --> 00:55:40,836
Like, I just had to just
refrain from all that.

1019
00:55:44,008 --> 00:55:48,735
I'm nervous trying not
to think about any opinions.

1020
00:55:48,754 --> 00:55:52,514
Just trying to let go
of any fear I have, any worry.

1021
00:55:52,666 --> 00:55:56,167
I'm just ready to just
go in there,

1022
00:55:56,261 --> 00:55:58,837
Tell my truth, and walk out.

1023
00:55:58,856 --> 00:56:00,856
Well, some see you as a hero,
so that's a good thing.

1024
00:56:01,083 --> 00:56:02,766
- Yeah.
- Yeah.

1025
00:56:02,918 --> 00:56:04,860
A lot of little girls and boys
and even women

1026
00:56:05,087 --> 00:56:06,845
Looking up to you,
so that's even a bigger picture.

1027
00:56:06,864 --> 00:56:09,013
Yeah.

1028
00:56:09,108 --> 00:56:11,015
Charles rodgers:
<i> Right now, lord,</i>
<i> we pray for strength</i>

1029
00:56:11,110 --> 00:56:13,110
<i> For what we are</i>
<i> about to encounter</i>

1030
00:56:13,262 --> 00:56:16,688
And that certainly
as her name is faith,

1031
00:56:16,707 --> 00:56:18,615
That her faith will be in you.

1032
00:56:18,709 --> 00:56:20,434
In the name of jesus we pray.

1033
00:56:20,527 --> 00:56:22,861
All: Amen.

1034
00:56:22,955 --> 00:56:25,622
Faith:
<i> I never really stepped into</i>
<i> this thinking, you know,</i>

1035
00:56:25,774 --> 00:56:27,198
<i> "I'm doing this</i>
<i> for all black women."</i>

1036
00:56:27,218 --> 00:56:29,292
<i> But that's what it's become,</i>

1037
00:56:29,445 --> 00:56:31,111
<i> And now I see</i>
<i> I'm a part of a movement</i>

1038
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:34,056
<i> That's bigger than myself.</i>

1039
00:56:34,207 --> 00:56:35,724
I was like,
"this is really happening.

1040
00:56:35,876 --> 00:56:37,726
I'm really dressed
to go to trial.

1041
00:56:37,878 --> 00:56:39,711
<i> This is real.</i>
<i> Take a deep breath.</i>

1042
00:56:39,805 --> 00:56:41,638
Stay strong. Stay focused.

1043
00:56:41,790 --> 00:56:43,290
Your story still matters.

1044
00:56:43,308 --> 00:56:45,067
What happened to you
still matters."

1045
00:56:45,218 --> 00:56:47,127
Here goes nothing.

1046
00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:48,737
Here goes the last
of everything.

1047
00:56:50,315 --> 00:56:52,223
<i> I have a duty to do right now,</i>

1048
00:56:52,317 --> 00:56:55,969
<i> And I'm ready</i>
<i> to just execute it</i>
<i> and finish it.</i>

1049
00:56:56,062 --> 00:56:59,581
<i> Even with him there,</i>
<i> I'm ready.</i>

1050
00:57:01,752 --> 00:57:03,735
Free r. Kelly.

1051
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:06,237
- Free r. Kelly.
- Free r. Kelly.

1052
00:57:06,257 --> 00:57:09,925
Robert is still
the ( bleep ) king of r&b.

1053
00:57:10,152 --> 00:57:12,319
There are so many people
that enabled r. Kelly.

1054
00:57:12,337 --> 00:57:14,078
- Demetrius smith.
- Demetrius smith.

1055
00:57:14,098 --> 00:57:16,657
Demetrius smith
had to be offered immunity

1056
00:57:16,675 --> 00:57:18,008
Because he did not want
to participate,

1057
00:57:18,102 --> 00:57:19,751
But obviously they needed him.

1058
00:57:19,845 --> 00:57:21,995
In new york at the premiere,

1059
00:57:22,014 --> 00:57:23,605
Somebody had called in
a gun threat.

1060
00:57:26,092 --> 00:57:30,854
You run an organization of men
that follow you to a t.

1061
00:57:31,006 --> 00:57:35,951
Everyone in r. Kelly's operation
needs to go to jail. Everyone.

1062
00:57:36,102 --> 00:57:40,013
To talk about john does,
it threw me for a loop.

1063
00:57:40,106 --> 00:57:42,032
I mean, this is my brother
we're talking about.

1064
00:57:42,184 --> 00:57:44,034
I've been saying for years,

1065
00:57:44,186 --> 00:57:46,853
"it's not just young women.
It's young men too."

1066
00:57:46,872 --> 00:57:50,540
This was about him dominating.
It didn't matter who.

1067
00:57:50,634 --> 00:57:53,026
Aaliyah is key to everything.

1068
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,379
Aaliyah's name was said
for the first time
in a criminal court.

1069
00:57:56,474 --> 00:57:58,882
When you start with aaliyah,
you start with a large scheme.

1070
00:57:58,976 --> 00:58:02,035
That shows you grooming,
that shows you how young,

1071
00:58:02,054 --> 00:58:04,204
That shows that nothing
has changed.

1072
00:58:04,297 --> 00:58:06,315
That lays the framework
for the pattern.

1073
00:58:06,466 --> 00:58:10,969
I would always ask him
about him and aaliyah,
and he would deny it.

1074
00:58:10,988 --> 00:58:16,717
But what I saw on that tape
was he and aaliyah
being intimate.

1075
00:58:16,810 --> 00:58:19,069
She's been gone
a very long time.

1076
00:58:19,221 --> 00:58:21,054
She can't speak for herself,

1077
00:58:21,073 --> 00:58:22,998
But to be able
to be a voice for her,

1078
00:58:23,225 --> 00:58:25,834
I think my heart was gonna
jump out of my throat

1079
00:58:26,061 --> 00:58:28,245
As I was standing outside
of the door

1080
00:58:28,397 --> 00:58:30,063
To enter the courtroom.

1081
00:58:30,082 --> 00:58:33,175
I was scared out of my mind.