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What's done in the dark
always comes to light.
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Jim derogatis:
The story the prosecution told
with 45 witnesses
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And hundreds
of pieces of evidence,
it starts in '91.
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I was the first girl,
and nobody believed me.
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You know,
this goes back to aaliyah.
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Julia reinstein:
She was jane doe number one,
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And of course, she's not alive
to tell her own story.
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Jim derogatis:
One of the victims claimed
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To have been raped by kelly
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Just within days
of the aaliyah marriage.
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Jerhonda pace: I had this blue
aéropostale shirt on,
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And I wiped his semen
and saliva off my face.
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Coming home,
you gotta understand this,
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Because you have
your daughter home
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Don't mean you have 100%
of your daughter home.
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The little piece of me that
wanted him to get some help,
it just went out the window.
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Here it is,
I'm finna face the man that
violated my daughter.
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Going over every incident,
I couldn't have any pride
about that situation.
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The intimidation tactics
remain real.
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His entourage wanted these
women's allegations
to be snubbed.
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- You wanna kill six people?
- Kelly rodgers:
He didn't do it alone.
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I don't think
he should be charged alone.
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Joy-- as of today,
joy's still not home.
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We still fighting now
to get his daughter.
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This has to stop,
and it has to stop now.
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You know, we've come too far,
and I'ma see it through
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Until each of y'all
get what y'all deserve,
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And that's a guilty sentence.
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Guilty.
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( music playing )
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Dominique gardner:
At the time,
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I felt I gotta be more
of a boy for the both of us.
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He enjoyed
that homey friendship,
because that's what it was.
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You know, basketball together,
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You know, partying together,
drinking together.
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So I accepted that role.
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- I prefer not
to talk about that.
- Okay.
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The final indictment
that comes out of brooklyn,
it named six women.
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And then a month before trial,
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Prosecutors also add on
this very large 55-page document
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That lists 14 additional women
and two men.
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The feds are laying it all out
in these 52 pages.
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The new accusations
describe young boys
as r. Kelly victims, too.
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I-- blown away.
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To talk about john does,
it threw me for a loop.
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I mean, this is my brother
we talking about.
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My mind is-- so to speak,
my wig was blew back.
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Well, this r. Kelly trial
is continuing in brooklyn.
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The first man who
is actually accusing r. Kelly
took the stand.
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He's going
under the name louis.
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He was just 17 and working
at a mcdonald's drive-thru
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When he met kelly.
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He was a senior in high school
and was an aspiring musician.
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He had sexual contact
with r. Kelly multiple times
that he didn't want,
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And r. Kelly
would often record it.
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So there were two male accusers
who testified in trial.
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They were john doe #1 and #2.
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They testified
under the pseudonyms louis
and alex, respectively.
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Singer r. Kelly began a sexual
relationship with one boy
in the chicago area,
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Then allegedly abused
that teen's friend as well,
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Recruiting them
into a sex ring.
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Louis brought alex
to one of r. Kelly's parties,
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And r. Kelly later
encouraged louis
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To keep bringing him around
and said, "he's a funny dude."
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This was clearly
a pattern for r. Kelly.
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He would use the teenage victims
he was already abusing
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And have them introduce him
to more potential victims.
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After alex had been abused
by r. Kelly for a while
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After meeting him at 17,
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R. Kelly nicknamed him
"nephew."
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They're not related,
not actually his nephew.
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Like a lot of the victims that
we heard from during the trial,
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Alex talked about how he was
made to have sexual contact
with many of the other victims.
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And we heard that from jane,
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And she recalled having been
told to have sexual contact
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With someone
she only knew of as nephew.
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R. Kelly didn't just have sex
with these two men,
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But he would force
these young men and the women
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That he had also
lured into his circle
to have sex with each other.
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They were these little dolls
that he was able to put together
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If he wanted
and take apart if he wanted,
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Put one in a room
for a couple hours
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While he made another one
do another thing.
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And nobody knew each other.
It's very bizarre.
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It didn't surprise me
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That, you know,
he had been with males
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Because he liked for himself
to be penetrated
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In the anus all the time.
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And he liked to use dildos
and things like that on him.
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And a woman, she would have
to use a device of some sort.
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The assumption
that r. Kelly was heterosexual
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And bringing in these women
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Almost fit a certain script
or narrative
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Of a powerful man preying
upon vulnerable women.
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But now you're putting
vulnerable men in the mix,
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And so this became less
a story of sexual assault,
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Which was very
female-identified in this case,
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And it just became a case
of perpetration,
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That this guy just harms.
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Preston mitchum:
Hearing and reading
john doe's transcript,
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He stated that one
of the reasons why he did not
want to come forward
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Was because he didn't want
anyone to question
his sexuality.
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Many straight men
who may experience harm,
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Sexual assault, rape,
may not come forward.
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Given the ways we talk
about sexual violence,
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Given how homophobia functions
in our society,
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Given how little space
we often have for men and boys
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To come forward
to talk about their experiences
with sexual violence,
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I also knew
that they would be maligned
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And derided and made fun of,
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That they would be not
be seen wholly as victims.
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Dr. Joan morgan:
So with r. Kelly,
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The fact that he knows that
this has happened to him,
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He is also the victim
of sexual abuse
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And sexual assault
at a young age,
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It makes me wonder
if he's in any way redeemable
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'cause sometimes I really
look at him and wonder,
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Do you really think
that this is normal behavior?
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And he completely moves around
to me like he thinks it is.
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Another testimony
that stood out to me
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Was when sonja testified.
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She was a radio intern
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And thought she was gonna come
for an interview.
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Sonja was the pseudonym for
another one of the jane does,
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And her testimony
was pretty unique.
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Jim derogatis:
Salt lake city, utah.
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Utah is the whitest place
in america.
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Kelly goes to
the one shopping mall
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And finds the one aspiring dj
who is wowed by him
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And wants to do
an interview with him.
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Talk about the unerring eye
and knowledge
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Of where to find his victims
and who to victimize.
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( distorted )
we had heard that r. Kelly
was at a local mall,
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And I wanted to see
if I can get an interview
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Or get him to come up
to the radio station.
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And there was somebody
that walked up behind me
and gave me his number.
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He eventually had her flown
to his studio in chicago,
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And it was really harrowing
what happened to her next.
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I was greeted at the taxi.
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They took my luggage
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And took it into
the chocolate factory.
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First thing
that the guy had asked me
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When I first walked in
the door was,
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"do you need a condom?"
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And I said, "oh, no,
I'm not here for that."
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They had this protocol
of either getting
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A driver's license
that they would scan,
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Or they would actually take
their own polaroid picture
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Of the girls or young women
as they came in.
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They would also
make people who came
to the chocolate factory,
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They would make them sign
confidentiality agreements
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Saying that they wouldn't talk
about what happened there
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And that they wouldn't
record anything
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Or take any photographs
while they were in the studio.
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Sonja: They took my id
and took my cell phone.
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And another guy came in,
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And he had
a nondisclosure agreement,
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And said,
"you cannot tell anybody
that you were here.
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You can't talk to anybody
that you see in the halls.
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If you use the restroom,
you have to be escorted
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And you keep your head down.
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Don't look at anybody.
Don't talk to anybody.
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You come straight back
to your room until
mr. Kelly comes in."
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Still, at that point in time
I'm thinking to myself,
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"okay, this is
what everybody does
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When they're coming here
to interview r. Kelly."
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She wasn't given food.
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She wasn't allowed to go
to the bathroom at will.
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She really was kept in there
as captive.
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( door closes )
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They closed the door,
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And when they closed it...
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- ( locks clicking )
- ...I heard this thud,
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Another thud,
and another thud.
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Those noises that I heard
when they walked out
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Was them locking the door
from the outside.
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That part, like,
is so emotional.
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I just remember
thinking to myself,
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I'm here by myself, and
why did they lock this door?
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Who would do that?
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I was locked in that room
for two to three days.
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Maybe even four.
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She didn't even have
her own cell phone at the time.
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She was a single young mother
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And she had to borrow
her grandfather's cell phone
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To fly out to meet up
with r. Kelly.
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She was really a kidnap victim.
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So I went and dialed
the front desk,
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And finally the guy answered.
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And then I said,
"hey, this door is locked.
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Why aren't you
opening the door?"
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And he said that it had
to be approved by mr. Kelly.
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And I tried to call my friends.
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I tried to call
everybody I knew.
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But then I thought,
"okay, I just signed this
nondisclosure agreement.
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What does that mean?
Am I not supposed to tell them
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What's happening in this room?"
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There was a lot
of focus on the nda
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That was given to her to sign
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And the lighting in the room.
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Even though
she really couldn't see it,
it was used against her
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As to why she didn't read
every line of this nda.
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Julia reinstein:
The defense kept hammering on,
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You know, "why didn't you run?
Why didn't you tell anyone?"
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And one of the sticking points
was actually that
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Apparently there was
a phone in the room,
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And they said,
"why didn't you just
call the police?"
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And she had a pretty clear
answer for that.
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It sounds like
she was afraid for her life
and her family's lives.
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When she arrived at the studio,
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Employees for r. Kelly
copied down the names
and contact info
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For a bunch of people
in her phone,
for her family members,
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And she had a young daughter
as well.
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These the things he done
to these young ladies
feeling entitled.
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And the crazy part is
his approach is the same,
male or female.
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He's manipulating young boys
and young girls.
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You run an organization of men
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That follow you to a t.
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And I thought,
"what is going to happen
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If I do say
something to somebody?"
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She testified that she wasn't
able to eat or drink
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And that
she was panicking essentially,
and beating on the door.
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No one would open the door,
or, you know, let her leave.
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I had told the receptionist
that I wanted
to order some food,
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And he had to get it approved
by mr. Kelly.
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It took hours and hours
to get this chinese food.
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She wasn't given food
until quite some time
into her time there
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And then was given some
chinese food and a sprite
which served in an open cup.
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She had some of it
and then just passed out.
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Sonja:
So I woke up on the couch,
and I thought,
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"well, that's weird,"
because I wasn't laying
like that before.
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The last I knew,
I was eating at the table.
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I had some wet stuff
in between my legs.
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I was so confused.
235
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"why am I laying right here?
236
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How did my underwear come off?
237
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What is that noise?"
238
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When I rolled over
and I looked to my right,
239
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I saw r. Kelly
doing up his pants.
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It wasn't until
he had left the room
241
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That I realized
he just did something to me.
242
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( distorted )
I saw r. Kelly doing up
243
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His pants in the corner.
244
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I had some wet stuff
in between my legs.
245
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My underwear was at the edge
of the couch.
246
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I mean, everything clicked.
247
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They must've put something
in my food.
248
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I believe that
I was raped by robert kelly.
249
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After he left the room,
somebody came in the room
and said, "hey, you can go."
250
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He had another nda and said,
251
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"you don't tell
anybody about what happened
while you were here.
252
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So, don't ( bleep )
with mr. Kelly."
253
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When I got back from chicago,
254
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I wanted to call the police.
255
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I wanted to scream
for years and years
256
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Every time I would hear
anything about rob kelly.
257
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I was terrified.
258
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I have been contacted
by people from his entourage
over the years.
259
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They have shown up, you know,
at numerous different places.
260
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"we're still watching you,
so, you know,
261
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Don't try to make any moves."
262
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Kind of keeping me in check,
I guess you could say.
263
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I've been living in fear from
the time that I left chicago,
264
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I mean, in all honesty.
265
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In the case of r. Kelly,
266
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I think there
was a legitimate reason
267
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To be concerned
about potential retaliation.
268
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It was made pretty clear
that if she was to speak up,
269
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She or someone she loved
was gonna be hurt.
270
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So she did not speak up.
271
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- So I was, like,
kept on standby...
- Same here.
272
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...Up until, like, the end.
273
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I kept seeing the jane does,
274
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And I'm like,
"I'm gonna go next."
275
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And then it didn't happen.
276
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As the weeks continued
to go by in the trial,
277
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When I found out
that I wouldn't end up
having to face him
278
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Or be in the same
room with him, there was
a little bit of relief
279
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But also a little bit
of disappointment.
280
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I wanted to get that moment
to feel like, "I'm not scared.
281
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Your energy doesn't
frighten me anymore."
282
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So there was discussion
during the trial, you know,
283
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Is that government proving rico
284
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Or are they just proving
sexual assault and rape?
285
00:16:30,306 --> 00:16:33,549
And it's not always clear
even to the jury
286
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How each witness's testimony
fits in together,
287
00:16:36,997 --> 00:16:39,163
But that's what
closing argument is.
288
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The government wove it
all together at the end
289
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To prove that this was
a criminal enterprise.
290
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It really all came together
in the closing arguments.
291
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The prosecution
really went hard.
292
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Reporter: Prosecutors brought
45 witnesses to prove
racketeering charges.
293
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They had a lot of exhibits.
They had the videos,
plane tickets.
294
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They had a lot of evidence.
295
00:17:04,766 --> 00:17:06,766
They had text messages,
296
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Witnesses that corroborated
the text messages.
297
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It was just a lot.
298
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Reporter: The prosecution argues
kelly ran an enterprise
299
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For sexual gratification.
300
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Reporter: Closing arguments
wrapped up today
301
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Describing
how r. Kelly operated from
a "predator's handbook
302
00:17:21,023 --> 00:17:23,875
Of isolation and manipulation
of underage victims."
303
00:17:24,026 --> 00:17:26,377
Noah goldberg:
The r. Kelly trial
continued toward its end
304
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As prosecutors finished up
their closing statements.
305
00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:30,956
And then defense attorney
deveraux cannick
306
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Got up and delivered
a fiery closing statement.
307
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Reporter:
Kelly's defense began
its closing argument
308
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By comparing
the r&b singer's trial
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To dr. Martin
luther king jr.'s
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Fight for
constitutional rights.
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Let's start right away
with the defense's comparison
312
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Of r. Kelly
to martin luther king jr.
313
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Reporters, as it became clear
he was talking about king,
314
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They started looking
around at each other,
315
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Kind of being like,
"is this really happening?
316
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Is he really comparing r. Kelly,
317
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Who's accused of running
a sex trafficking ring,
318
00:18:00,972 --> 00:18:03,081
To martin luther king?
319
00:18:03,232 --> 00:18:06,309
The idea that
r. Kelly's defense team
320
00:18:06,402 --> 00:18:11,647
Would think that audiences
were so unsophisticated
and really stupid
321
00:18:11,666 --> 00:18:14,408
And insultingly suggest
that defending r. Kelly
322
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Was on par
with defending other folks
323
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Who have been criminalized
for challenging unjust laws
324
00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:23,250
For me was absolutely
insidious, right?
325
00:18:23,344 --> 00:18:25,252
It's like, "how dare you?"
326
00:18:25,346 --> 00:18:29,107
Jacob shamsian:
One of the things that
the defense said a lot
327
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Was the trial was
something like an extension
of "surviving r. Kelly."
328
00:18:32,003 --> 00:18:34,112
They kept saying,
"surviving off r. Kelly."
329
00:18:34,263 --> 00:18:36,689
Right? That was, like,
this joke they made
330
00:18:36,841 --> 00:18:38,449
Across some closing statements.
331
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In the defense's
opening statement,
332
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One of the things and strategies
they had indicated
333
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Is they planned
to attack the credibility
334
00:18:45,683 --> 00:18:47,516
Of every witness
that would take the stand.
335
00:18:47,610 --> 00:18:50,186
All of which
is his right to do,
336
00:18:50,204 --> 00:18:53,464
But doesn't indicate
an actual defense
to the behavior itself.
337
00:18:53,616 --> 00:18:55,299
So if I were jury member,
I'm sitting there going,
338
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"that's great, but did you
or did you not do this?"
339
00:19:05,036 --> 00:19:07,870
When it went to the jury,
I bit off all my nails.
340
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A jury began deliberations today
341
00:19:10,541 --> 00:19:12,984
In the federal trial
of singer r. Kelly.
342
00:19:13,135 --> 00:19:16,154
At 1:40 this afternoon,
the jury of seven men
343
00:19:16,305 --> 00:19:19,306
And five women
began deliberating.
344
00:19:19,325 --> 00:19:21,217
Lanita carter:
To the jurors,
I want them to realize
345
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How important their job
is right now.
346
00:19:24,389 --> 00:19:27,556
I want them to be as fair
as they possibly can
347
00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:29,983
And to know that
if they stop this,
348
00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:32,003
They'll be stopping
a vicious cycle.
349
00:19:32,154 --> 00:19:34,839
I was nervous, restless.
350
00:19:34,990 --> 00:19:37,082
That whole weekend
I was a basketcase.
351
00:19:37,235 --> 00:19:40,085
I really just froze.
352
00:19:40,238 --> 00:19:43,572
Jury, please listen
to this announcement!
353
00:19:43,591 --> 00:19:45,516
R. Kelly is an innocent man!
354
00:19:46,761 --> 00:19:47,927
How's your client feeling?
355
00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:50,095
Stressed.
356
00:19:50,248 --> 00:19:51,689
Charles rodgers:
In the world that we live in,
357
00:19:51,916 --> 00:19:54,341
People that are famous
that are guilty,
358
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,177
And people that have money
that are guilty, they walk.
359
00:19:57,271 --> 00:20:00,773
I started, you know,
playing all these
scenarios in my mind,
360
00:20:00,867 --> 00:20:02,700
And, you know, "what if
it comes back not guilty?"
361
00:20:02,851 --> 00:20:05,203
People are gonna really
give it to us then, you know?
362
00:20:05,354 --> 00:20:07,205
Make us out to be liars.
363
00:20:16,941 --> 00:20:21,702
There is protocol when
there is a high profile trial
such as this one.
364
00:20:21,796 --> 00:20:24,129
The jury has a u.S. Marshal
365
00:20:24,282 --> 00:20:26,449
When they deliberate
outside their door.
366
00:20:26,467 --> 00:20:29,635
It's really a very tightly
controlled situation.
367
00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:32,621
Singer r. Kelly's fate is now
in the hands of a jury.
368
00:20:32,715 --> 00:20:35,140
...In the hands of a jury,
who will determine his guilt
or his innocence.
369
00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:37,476
Reporter:
The 54-year-old is on trial
for racketeering
370
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And sex trafficking charges.
371
00:20:42,408 --> 00:20:46,727
When they went into deliberation
and the first day passed,
372
00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:48,137
I was like, ( bleep ).
373
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:49,805
"we gotta go through
the weekend."
374
00:20:49,824 --> 00:20:51,474
The weekend
can bring about anything,
375
00:20:51,567 --> 00:20:53,734
Because the jury
wasn't sequestered.
376
00:20:53,753 --> 00:20:54,752
They get to go home.
377
00:20:54,979 --> 00:20:55,920
And so now you have
378
00:20:56,071 --> 00:20:57,313
The influences of friends.
379
00:20:57,406 --> 00:20:58,089
You have the influences
of family.
380
00:20:58,316 --> 00:20:59,815
Though the law says
381
00:20:59,834 --> 00:21:01,259
You're not supposed to discuss,
382
00:21:01,486 --> 00:21:02,501
Let's just be real.
383
00:21:02,653 --> 00:21:04,077
You can watch television.
384
00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:07,673
You can be influenced by
all types of things.
385
00:21:07,825 --> 00:21:12,085
I was so un-seamed.
386
00:21:12,179 --> 00:21:13,496
I'm like, "he's gonna walk.
387
00:21:13,589 --> 00:21:15,022
They gonna let him walk
all over again."
388
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,838
I understood
as a very young man,
as a teenager,
389
00:21:22,931 --> 00:21:25,932
That society
didn't believe women
390
00:21:26,027 --> 00:21:29,695
When they said
that they were victims of rape
and sexual violence.
391
00:21:29,847 --> 00:21:33,682
Because of #metoo,
because of a public reckoning
392
00:21:33,776 --> 00:21:36,035
Of very public men,
black and white,
393
00:21:36,129 --> 00:21:38,187
For me it seemed that this
would be the moment
394
00:21:38,205 --> 00:21:40,298
Where we would have
some real accountability.
395
00:21:50,368 --> 00:21:52,201
You know,
during non-covid times,
396
00:21:52,219 --> 00:21:54,294
We would be able
to look at the jurors.
397
00:21:54,388 --> 00:21:56,372
During this case, we couldn't.
398
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:57,982
At several points
during the trial,
399
00:21:58,209 --> 00:21:59,817
The jurors plugged in
their headphones.
400
00:21:59,968 --> 00:22:02,302
I just remember it being
very long periods of time
401
00:22:02,396 --> 00:22:04,730
Where we had no access
to the evidence,
402
00:22:04,882 --> 00:22:08,475
So we were just sort of
sitting in the courtroom
twiddling our thumbs.
403
00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:10,719
Alanna vagianos:
A big theme of this trial
404
00:22:10,738 --> 00:22:13,664
Was r. Kelly filming
his sexual exploits,
405
00:22:13,816 --> 00:22:15,333
Which was very often
sexual abuse.
406
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,745
So we knew that these videos
were going to be likely
407
00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:22,581
Him having sex or sexually
assaulting many of the women
408
00:22:22,733 --> 00:22:25,250
Who had taken the stand.
409
00:22:25,403 --> 00:22:28,070
The very end of the trial when
we're all waiting for a verdict,
410
00:22:28,089 --> 00:22:31,349
We finally got access
to the videos.
411
00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:34,910
But not the videos themselves.
Only the audio from the videos.
412
00:22:35,003 --> 00:22:38,747
We were allowed to sit in one
room, have it played for us,
not be able to record it.
413
00:22:38,841 --> 00:22:41,417
Just be able to listen to it
in that room.
414
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:43,361
Alanna vagianos:
There was maybe 30 journalists
sitting in the media room,
415
00:22:43,512 --> 00:22:47,013
And we took out our laptops
and started listening.
416
00:22:47,033 --> 00:22:48,757
( no audio )
417
00:22:48,851 --> 00:22:53,537
It is probably
the most horrific video--
418
00:22:53,764 --> 00:22:56,432
Audio of video that
I've ever heard in my life.
419
00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:59,693
The redacted audio
that they played for us,
420
00:22:59,787 --> 00:23:03,029
It was one of the parts
that really sticks out
from the trial.
421
00:23:03,124 --> 00:23:05,716
This one recording of a woman--
422
00:23:05,868 --> 00:23:08,719
We didn't see,
but it seemed like she
and r. Kelly were having sex,
423
00:23:08,946 --> 00:23:12,965
And she was just repeating
over and over and over
424
00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:15,951
For 20 minutes or so,
425
00:23:16,044 --> 00:23:17,544
"I'm a dumb
( bleep ) bitch, daddy,
426
00:23:17,638 --> 00:23:19,522
And I want you to fix me."
427
00:23:21,401 --> 00:23:25,461
It was forcing of sexual acts.
428
00:23:25,554 --> 00:23:30,149
It was him orchestrating
literally everything
429
00:23:30,301 --> 00:23:32,743
Including their humiliation.
430
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,807
They sound so demoralized.
They sound so broken.
431
00:23:38,901 --> 00:23:42,253
And I can't even imagine
watching it.
432
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,664
You hear peeing sounds
while frank sinatra's playing
in the background--
433
00:23:45,758 --> 00:23:47,591
"come fly with me."
434
00:23:47,743 --> 00:23:50,169
The woman says at one point,
"piss everywhere.
435
00:23:50,321 --> 00:23:51,929
Get all this piss, daddy."
436
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,174
And you can hear slapping
sounds which is-- ( gags )
437
00:23:55,326 --> 00:23:56,434
Physically makes me cringe.
438
00:24:00,255 --> 00:24:04,591
And then the more graphic ones
439
00:24:04,685 --> 00:24:07,853
Included one of the jane does
spreading feces on herself
440
00:24:08,005 --> 00:24:09,947
As he in the background
441
00:24:10,098 --> 00:24:12,357
Directed her
as a form of punishment.
442
00:24:12,452 --> 00:24:14,935
And throughout the video
you can hear the woman saying,
443
00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:16,787
"I'm sorry, daddy."
444
00:24:17,014 --> 00:24:20,607
A lot of other very,
very graphic things.
445
00:24:20,701 --> 00:24:25,521
The audio was so horrifying
446
00:24:25,539 --> 00:24:29,300
That I remember a few reporters
had to walk out of the room.
447
00:24:29,527 --> 00:24:32,878
The feces clip
is when I walked out.
448
00:24:33,030 --> 00:24:34,713
I don't know
what kind of person
449
00:24:34,865 --> 00:24:38,367
Can subject
other humans to that
450
00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:42,721
Time and time again
and not feel the sickness,
451
00:24:42,815 --> 00:24:47,710
The vileness that I felt
in my stomach in a courtroom.
452
00:24:47,728 --> 00:24:51,137
Safe around my colleagues
listening to it,
453
00:24:51,232 --> 00:24:55,326
I felt shame, I felt disgusted.
454
00:24:55,553 --> 00:24:57,578
I knew that I couldn't
take any more.
455
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,649
It was while hearing
one of these audio clips
456
00:25:02,668 --> 00:25:04,835
That was really,
really disturbing
457
00:25:04,987 --> 00:25:07,913
That we got word that
a verdict had been reached.
458
00:25:08,065 --> 00:25:11,324
So we just had
to stop the audio
and all run upstairs.
459
00:25:11,344 --> 00:25:14,069
It was like
a stampede of reporters.
460
00:25:14,088 --> 00:25:17,756
I heard a shriek
and a loud sound.
461
00:25:17,908 --> 00:25:21,018
"verdict, verdict!"
462
00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:23,929
Breaking news, it's the verdict
in the r. Kelly case.
463
00:25:24,081 --> 00:25:28,341
On a Monday,
which was, I believe,
the 27th of September...
464
00:25:28,361 --> 00:25:30,252
I was at work,
465
00:25:30,345 --> 00:25:33,697
And I was paying
attention to the news.
466
00:25:33,849 --> 00:25:38,536
The jurors have just reached
a verdict in the federal trial
of r&b singer r. Kelly.
467
00:25:59,875 --> 00:26:01,300
Breaking news.
468
00:26:01,452 --> 00:26:03,635
A jury in the federal trial
of r. Kelly
469
00:26:03,788 --> 00:26:04,687
Has found the singer...
470
00:26:20,805 --> 00:26:22,413
Lisa van allen:
I think about the 2008 trial.
471
00:26:22,564 --> 00:26:24,823
So it's still like,
"it could go left.
472
00:26:24,917 --> 00:26:26,475
I hope they stop him."
473
00:26:26,493 --> 00:26:28,586
If there is a guilty verdict
474
00:26:28,737 --> 00:26:32,831
For r. Kelly,
if there is non-guilty verdict,
475
00:26:32,925 --> 00:26:35,884
I'm not gonna lie, like,
I'm going to cry either way.
476
00:26:38,172 --> 00:26:40,489
We're coming on the air
with breaking news.
477
00:26:40,507 --> 00:26:43,175
A jury in the federal trial
of r. Kelly
478
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:45,844
Has found the singer guilty
of racketeering
479
00:26:45,996 --> 00:26:48,513
Based on sexual exploitation
of children,
480
00:26:48,666 --> 00:26:50,666
Kidnapping, and forced labor.
481
00:26:50,684 --> 00:26:53,259
- Guilty of racketeering.
- Criminal enterprise.
482
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,112
- Charged with the mann act.
- Bribery.
483
00:26:55,263 --> 00:26:56,521
- Kidnapping.
- Sexual abuse.
484
00:26:56,674 --> 00:26:58,357
Sexual exploitation of a minor.
485
00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:01,343
It was tearful testimony,
emotional testimony.
486
00:27:01,436 --> 00:27:06,457
( echoing )
he is facing anywhere
from ten years to life.
487
00:27:08,352 --> 00:27:11,036
I called tiffany
and I couldn't stop the tears.
488
00:27:11,188 --> 00:27:12,521
I said, "they got him."
489
00:27:12,614 --> 00:27:15,132
And it was such
a surreal moment.
490
00:27:15,283 --> 00:27:17,025
We were screaming
through the phone.
491
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,878
I was crying.
I was so happy.
492
00:27:20,030 --> 00:27:24,457
A little bit in shock,
and then relief
that he didn't get off.
493
00:27:24,551 --> 00:27:28,220
( distorted )
you know, I was happy.
I felt freedom.
494
00:27:28,314 --> 00:27:30,555
There were so many thoughts
going through my mind.
495
00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:32,816
I just feel relieved.
I feel like a huge weight
496
00:27:32,968 --> 00:27:35,152
Has been lifted off
my shoulders,
497
00:27:35,303 --> 00:27:39,973
And it feels really good to know
that my voice was heard
498
00:27:39,992 --> 00:27:42,384
And that I matter.
499
00:27:42,403 --> 00:27:45,053
I knew it was something
to celebrate
500
00:27:45,147 --> 00:27:46,813
But it didn't feel like,
you know,
501
00:27:46,907 --> 00:27:48,982
Your average celebration.
502
00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:53,170
This is somebody whose life
is officially taken from him.
503
00:27:53,321 --> 00:27:56,823
Like, now it's stamped.
He's done.
504
00:27:56,917 --> 00:28:01,828
This was what the women needed.
It validated their stories.
505
00:28:01,922 --> 00:28:05,683
- It validated their truth.
- Guilty on all nine counts.
506
00:28:05,834 --> 00:28:08,501
For my daughter,
for all those women,
507
00:28:08,595 --> 00:28:10,854
Justice, justice, justice.
508
00:28:11,081 --> 00:28:14,841
I bawled. I just--
I was proud of myself.
509
00:28:14,935 --> 00:28:16,360
I was proud of the women.
510
00:28:16,587 --> 00:28:19,588
I was proud of the people
that supported us,
511
00:28:19,681 --> 00:28:21,940
That gave us our voices
and platforms.
512
00:28:22,034 --> 00:28:23,775
I felt relief.
513
00:28:23,928 --> 00:28:26,203
I've engaged with some
of his survivors.
514
00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:28,038
This is why we have
to raise our voices.
515
00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:29,873
This is why
we have a #metoo movement.
516
00:28:30,025 --> 00:28:33,026
We can count on each other.
That's what this says to me.
517
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,361
My daughter just hugged me
and said, "mommy, you did it."
518
00:28:35,456 --> 00:28:37,530
And I just broke down in tears.
519
00:28:37,624 --> 00:28:40,792
He's been convicted.
He's been convicted,
all nine counts.
520
00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:43,870
It was, like, wow.
521
00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:46,631
- Justice had been served.
- I couldn't think properly.
522
00:28:46,784 --> 00:28:50,561
I couldn't concentrate because
it was very emotional for me.
523
00:28:50,788 --> 00:28:55,899
As far as the verdict,
I really could never...
524
00:28:56,126 --> 00:28:59,719
- You can't.
- ...Rejoice in seeing, um,
525
00:28:59,813 --> 00:29:01,739
A life go down like that.
526
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:06,559
Reporter: It took the jury
of seven men and five women
527
00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:08,971
Around nine hours
to reach a verdict.
528
00:29:08,989 --> 00:29:11,898
To the victims in this case,
529
00:29:11,917 --> 00:29:16,253
Your voices were heard
and justice was finally served.
530
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,314
He was not anticipating
this verdict
531
00:29:19,407 --> 00:29:21,091
Because based on the evidence,
532
00:29:21,318 --> 00:29:23,243
Why should he
anticipate this verdict?
533
00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:24,820
I talked with my cousin.
534
00:29:24,913 --> 00:29:27,765
I said, "what's going on
with my brother?"
535
00:29:27,916 --> 00:29:30,492
And he said,
"he was found guilty."
536
00:29:30,511 --> 00:29:32,936
I almost passed out.
I almost fainted.
537
00:29:34,999 --> 00:29:37,757
R. Kelly expressed
absolutely no emotion
538
00:29:37,777 --> 00:29:39,443
As the verdict was being read.
539
00:29:39,594 --> 00:29:43,855
Kelly didn't have
a noticeable facial reaction.
540
00:29:44,008 --> 00:29:46,266
He didn't even seem upset
as far as you could tell.
541
00:29:46,285 --> 00:29:50,345
- He was totally stone faced.
- There was no hand motion.
542
00:29:50,364 --> 00:29:52,122
There was no putting
his head down.
There was nothing.
543
00:29:52,274 --> 00:29:54,107
He kind of just
stared right ahead,
544
00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:57,610
And once it was over
he walked right back to jail.
545
00:29:57,630 --> 00:29:59,871
A lot of people had doubts.
I didn't.
546
00:30:00,024 --> 00:30:02,782
It wasn't like compared
to the o.J. Trial.
547
00:30:02,802 --> 00:30:04,468
You know, the world was quiet.
548
00:30:04,619 --> 00:30:06,136
The people was
holding their breath
549
00:30:06,288 --> 00:30:08,288
Was more of his fanbase.
550
00:30:08,382 --> 00:30:10,532
We not giving up. We not.
551
00:30:10,551 --> 00:30:13,143
I will never give up
robert sylvester kelly.
552
00:30:13,295 --> 00:30:15,646
You know,
when the verdict came down...
553
00:30:18,225 --> 00:30:20,876
...I was holding it together
554
00:30:20,969 --> 00:30:24,488
Until my attorney
sent me a message
555
00:30:24,639 --> 00:30:26,898
From the editor
of "rolling stone,"
556
00:30:27,051 --> 00:30:29,976
Jason newman,
who interviewed me first.
557
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:31,887
And so he had texted her
558
00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:34,072
And he was very emotional
as well.
559
00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:37,075
And I just didn't realize
how impactful my story was
560
00:30:37,227 --> 00:30:40,562
From the beginning,
and how people like him
561
00:30:40,581 --> 00:30:43,656
Were still emotionally
attached to everything.
562
00:30:43,676 --> 00:30:45,843
Everything was going so fast,
I just started thinking,
563
00:30:45,994 --> 00:30:47,235
"oh, this is just
another interview.
564
00:30:47,329 --> 00:30:48,737
This person doesn't care.
565
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:50,906
This is just
exploiting our stories."
566
00:30:50,924 --> 00:30:53,183
But it became really real to me
567
00:30:53,335 --> 00:30:56,019
How many people
our stories impacted.
568
00:30:57,339 --> 00:30:58,747
I remember when I first heard
569
00:30:58,765 --> 00:31:00,098
That "surviving r. Kelly"
was being made,
570
00:31:00,250 --> 00:31:02,267
And my reaction was like,
"whoa!"
571
00:31:02,419 --> 00:31:04,936
And then I saw that
dream hampton was making it,
572
00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:07,589
And I was like, "oh, okay.
I have to see this.
573
00:31:07,608 --> 00:31:09,591
This is gonna be something.
This is gonna be real."
574
00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:11,426
Even though it was talking about
such horrible things,
575
00:31:11,445 --> 00:31:14,779
This is actually
going to move culture
576
00:31:14,932 --> 00:31:18,041
In a way that many of us hope
to move culture, but we don't.
577
00:31:23,382 --> 00:31:26,291
You know, all of us followed
this trial really closely,
578
00:31:26,443 --> 00:31:30,554
But, dream, I don't think
we'd be where are today
579
00:31:30,781 --> 00:31:32,964
Without what you did
on "surviving r. Kelly."
580
00:31:33,117 --> 00:31:34,449
I know that.
581
00:31:34,468 --> 00:31:35,634
Well, I mean,
I just wanna acknowledge
582
00:31:35,786 --> 00:31:37,895
How much culture has shifted,
583
00:31:38,122 --> 00:31:40,305
How much social media,
for all its sins
584
00:31:40,457 --> 00:31:43,233
And all of things that
are awful about social media,
585
00:31:43,460 --> 00:31:48,797
It is incredibly democratic
in that folks can self-organize,
they can speak up,
586
00:31:48,890 --> 00:31:50,649
And speak back
to people like r. Kelly
587
00:31:50,801 --> 00:31:52,134
And the people who enabled him.
588
00:31:52,227 --> 00:31:54,244
- Jocelyn!
- All: We love you.
589
00:31:54,396 --> 00:31:56,321
- ( shouting )
- all: We love you.
590
00:31:56,415 --> 00:31:58,415
Mute r. Kelly!
591
00:31:58,566 --> 00:32:01,660
The other thing is, we were able
to offer a counter-narrative
592
00:32:01,812 --> 00:32:04,646
Just by centering these women.
593
00:32:04,665 --> 00:32:06,239
You know,
women who weren't famous,
women who weren't rich,
594
00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:07,816
They weren't powerful.
595
00:32:07,834 --> 00:32:09,985
And we thought it was important
596
00:32:10,003 --> 00:32:11,670
To let them tell it themselves.
597
00:32:11,822 --> 00:32:13,505
Seeing them on camera,
598
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:17,993
Seeing them have to wrestle
with this pain in 3-d
599
00:32:18,011 --> 00:32:20,178
Was an effective strategy.
600
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:24,166
Does that mean that in order
to get justice in the future
601
00:32:24,184 --> 00:32:26,426
We have to produce
a documentary
602
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,928
And there has to be some piece
of media that goes viral?
603
00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:30,839
You know, I hope not.
604
00:32:30,857 --> 00:32:35,285
When I see, you know,
folks in my own community say,
605
00:32:35,437 --> 00:32:38,288
"y'all got cosby and r. Kelly,
and isn't that enough?"
606
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,442
That doesn't even begin to deal
with the topic
607
00:32:42,461 --> 00:32:45,921
Which is, you know,
black women and abuse.
608
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:51,860
You know what
I remember thinking
when I heard the verdict?
609
00:32:51,878 --> 00:32:54,137
"so that means he's not
getting out of jail, right?"
610
00:32:54,364 --> 00:32:57,307
Because everything
is so trippy, you know?
611
00:32:57,534 --> 00:32:59,810
Like, they tried to impeach
the same person twice
and nothing happened,
612
00:32:59,961 --> 00:33:02,646
So, like,
you don't know what things
really mean anymore.
613
00:33:02,797 --> 00:33:06,057
He's facing charges
in other states.
He's 54 years old.
614
00:33:06,151 --> 00:33:08,634
Do you think he spends
the rest of his life in prison?
615
00:33:08,729 --> 00:33:11,637
I do. I don't think
that r. Kelly will ever
be a free man.
616
00:33:11,657 --> 00:33:16,809
Well, in new york alone,
r. Kelly is facing is up to
100 years in prison,
617
00:33:16,829 --> 00:33:19,054
And his sentencing
will take place in may.
618
00:33:19,072 --> 00:33:21,314
They're gonna take
about ten years to appeal right?
619
00:33:21,408 --> 00:33:24,576
- It could, yeah.
- You don't think
he'll ever get out?
620
00:33:24,728 --> 00:33:27,062
No, sir.
You're not gonna beat
no rico charge.
621
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,414
No, that number gonna look
like a bowling score.
622
00:33:29,566 --> 00:33:32,509
( laughter )
623
00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:34,069
W. Kamau bell:
Comedy dies on the vine.
624
00:33:34,087 --> 00:33:36,513
All comedy eventually turns,
you know?
625
00:33:36,664 --> 00:33:38,089
It's just the way
that comedy works,
626
00:33:38,242 --> 00:33:40,575
And the best comedy
is specific to its time
627
00:33:40,594 --> 00:33:42,260
That it turns very quickly.
628
00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:46,172
I can remember laughing
very hard at "piss on you"
629
00:33:46,266 --> 00:33:49,768
And all the r. Kelly stuff,
and also having a thought like,
630
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,770
"oh, I didn't realize
it was that serious."
631
00:33:51,922 --> 00:33:53,846
Understanding that comedy
can die on the vine,
632
00:33:53,866 --> 00:33:55,924
I feel like that
chappelle could be like,
633
00:33:55,942 --> 00:33:58,184
"yeah, that's
what we thought back then,
634
00:33:58,203 --> 00:33:59,703
And now things are different."
635
00:33:59,930 --> 00:34:01,687
Man, this is the worst time ever
to be a celebrity.
636
00:34:01,707 --> 00:34:03,373
You're gonna be finished.
Everyone's doomed.
637
00:34:03,525 --> 00:34:05,267
R. Kelly is different.
638
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,044
I mean, you know,
if I'm a betting man,
639
00:34:07,195 --> 00:34:08,879
I'm gonna put my money on
he probably did that ( bleep ).
640
00:34:12,217 --> 00:34:15,627
Let me tell you,
like, I had so many
different emotions.
641
00:34:15,779 --> 00:34:19,781
When they said guilty,
while it meant a lot,
642
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,284
There was no finality to it.
643
00:34:22,302 --> 00:34:24,877
What happened
with bill cosby's case
644
00:34:24,897 --> 00:34:26,955
Where everything was overturned,
645
00:34:26,973 --> 00:34:30,525
It ultimately isn't the end.
646
00:34:32,387 --> 00:34:34,404
Cosby's spokesman
told the "new york post"
647
00:34:34,631 --> 00:34:37,315
That bill cosby thinks
r. Kelly got a raw deal
648
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:40,302
And his constitutional rights
were grossly abused.
649
00:34:40,395 --> 00:34:44,581
Woman:
We love you, mr. Cosby!
650
00:34:44,808 --> 00:34:46,899
We are thrilled
to have mr. Cosby home.
651
00:34:46,993 --> 00:34:49,644
And if there had been
a just verdict
and a just sentence,
652
00:34:49,737 --> 00:34:51,663
We wouldn't be here fighting.
653
00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:55,150
A former cosby attorney
who claims she's concerned
654
00:34:55,168 --> 00:34:57,243
About the damaging precedent
being set
655
00:34:57,262 --> 00:35:00,488
By the federal government
in charging kelly under rico
656
00:35:00,507 --> 00:35:02,933
Is gonna handle his appeals.
657
00:35:06,754 --> 00:35:09,255
I had the calls with the women
658
00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:12,500
Who were really upset
about bill cosby being released
659
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:14,778
And the charges
dropped against him.
660
00:35:14,929 --> 00:35:18,115
They feel so defeated.
661
00:35:18,342 --> 00:35:21,526
And they're really worried
and I'm really worried
662
00:35:21,678 --> 00:35:23,269
That the same thing
could happen, you know?
663
00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:24,937
Like, "oh, okay,
you didn't do that,
664
00:35:24,957 --> 00:35:26,364
So we're just gonna
let you out."
665
00:35:26,516 --> 00:35:30,276
Appeals, a second federal trial,
666
00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:32,295
This is gonna go on for years.
667
00:35:34,024 --> 00:35:36,524
What he has to not just women,
668
00:35:36,543 --> 00:35:39,118
Not just kids,
not just boys and girls,
669
00:35:39,212 --> 00:35:41,954
He has to destroyed them.
670
00:35:41,974 --> 00:35:44,699
And for someone
to destroy someone,
671
00:35:44,718 --> 00:35:46,718
I would to be there
when they read,
672
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:49,813
"life. Life.
673
00:35:49,964 --> 00:35:51,706
Life in jail.
674
00:35:51,725 --> 00:35:53,466
Until he leaves this earth.
675
00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:54,776
Period."
676
00:36:06,072 --> 00:36:07,722
Bruce kelly:
I'm yet to talk to robert.
677
00:36:07,815 --> 00:36:10,983
I've been communicating
through his attorneys.
678
00:36:11,077 --> 00:36:13,395
This is what I wrote to him.
679
00:36:13,488 --> 00:36:16,247
"hello, robert.
It's your brother bruce.
680
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,159
I'm so sorry I wasn't
at your trial to support you.
681
00:36:20,179 --> 00:36:23,421
There is so much I wish
I could talk to you about.
682
00:36:23,573 --> 00:36:27,333
I pray that god
puts it in your heart
683
00:36:27,427 --> 00:36:29,744
To connect us
as brothers again.
684
00:36:29,763 --> 00:36:32,247
I will forever have your back.
685
00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:35,508
Please call me
when you get a chance."
686
00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:39,487
And I left my number
and stuff. Yeah.
687
00:36:42,201 --> 00:36:45,760
I guess what we're witnessing
what the beginning
of justice looks like.
688
00:36:45,853 --> 00:36:47,370
It's been a long time coming.
689
00:36:47,597 --> 00:36:49,948
Can we focus on the fact
that this happened here,
690
00:36:50,042 --> 00:36:52,542
And these black women were heard
and they made history,
691
00:36:52,694 --> 00:36:55,937
And they fought no matter
what they were up against?
692
00:36:56,030 --> 00:37:00,792
I wasn't prepared
for the online support we got.
693
00:37:00,944 --> 00:37:04,387
At the end of the day,
everybody knows someone
694
00:37:04,614 --> 00:37:09,617
That was sexually assaulted,
raped, or harmed by someone.
695
00:37:09,711 --> 00:37:11,636
I don't know
that I always believed
696
00:37:11,788 --> 00:37:13,379
That we would get
to this moment,
697
00:37:13,398 --> 00:37:16,566
But to watch
this kind of synthesis
698
00:37:16,793 --> 00:37:21,629
Of excellent documentary work,
on the ground activism,
699
00:37:21,723 --> 00:37:24,816
Black women
who were really vigilant
700
00:37:24,968 --> 00:37:27,802
About reporting
everything single thing,
701
00:37:27,821 --> 00:37:28,970
Like, it's incredible.
702
00:37:28,989 --> 00:37:31,489
They deserve this moment.
703
00:37:31,641 --> 00:37:33,416
They deserve this moment.
704
00:37:33,643 --> 00:37:38,480
It took several exposés
by seasoned journalists
705
00:37:38,498 --> 00:37:42,166
Who tied it all together,
super thorough,
706
00:37:42,319 --> 00:37:43,760
So many articles
over the years.
707
00:37:43,987 --> 00:37:46,671
I think the one
that stands out to me the most,
708
00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:48,506
It had this amazing quote
from jim derogatis
709
00:37:48,658 --> 00:37:50,325
That I will never forget.
710
00:37:50,343 --> 00:37:52,343
He says, "the thing
that I learned the most
711
00:37:52,437 --> 00:37:55,605
From doing this investigation
is that nobody matters less
712
00:37:55,757 --> 00:37:57,857
Than black girls. Nobody."
713
00:38:00,779 --> 00:38:05,523
Jim derogatis is a man
who has reported on a story
714
00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:07,284
When no one gave a ( bleep ).
715
00:38:07,511 --> 00:38:11,103
So jim derogatis, to me,
is the primary example
716
00:38:11,123 --> 00:38:14,349
Of a reporter
that sticks with the story,
717
00:38:14,442 --> 00:38:15,867
Screams at it
through the rooftops
718
00:38:15,961 --> 00:38:17,777
Until people finally listen,
719
00:38:17,796 --> 00:38:19,462
And his willingness
to help other journalists
720
00:38:19,614 --> 00:38:22,023
Is something that is rare,
and it's super admirable.
721
00:38:22,116 --> 00:38:25,451
I think this trial
would never have happened
without jim derogatis' work.
722
00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:30,473
It was jim derogatis' reporting
that brought these crimes
to the public attention.
723
00:38:30,625 --> 00:38:34,035
I knew it was always going
to be a challenge for jim
724
00:38:34,128 --> 00:38:38,815
As the storyteller
because he was the white guy
writing about the black guy,
725
00:38:39,042 --> 00:38:43,044
And there were people
who were not going to take
that reporting seriously.
726
00:38:43,137 --> 00:38:47,382
I actually broke the nda
when I decided to speak
727
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,901
With jim derogatis and do
the buzzfeed article.
728
00:38:50,053 --> 00:38:51,386
I think the world of him.
729
00:38:51,404 --> 00:38:53,571
He shed light
on something so dark,
730
00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:55,223
And he never gave up.
731
00:38:55,241 --> 00:38:58,651
This trial can speak to
732
00:38:58,745 --> 00:39:02,230
The next generation of women
in saying
733
00:39:02,323 --> 00:39:06,234
There is a justice system
that will believe you
734
00:39:06,252 --> 00:39:08,236
And that will hear you.
735
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:10,996
That's like striking
the lottery.
736
00:39:11,016 --> 00:39:13,741
Up until this point,
I think for most people,
737
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,428
R. Kelly's victim is like
a silhouette of a young girl
738
00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:20,023
On a video tape, and aaliyah,
739
00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:21,858
Who's not here
to speak for herself.
740
00:39:22,085 --> 00:39:27,697
So to have such intense
and insistent gaze
741
00:39:27,849 --> 00:39:30,425
On these women
to hear their voices,
to hear their truths,
742
00:39:30,443 --> 00:39:33,185
Really, really,
I think changed everything.
743
00:39:33,279 --> 00:39:35,688
For survivors to feel heard
744
00:39:35,707 --> 00:39:39,042
Speaks to how long
they had felt silenced.
745
00:39:39,193 --> 00:39:40,526
I think young black women,
746
00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:42,879
So often
we are overly sexualized.
747
00:39:43,106 --> 00:39:45,607
People believe that you have
some super strength.
748
00:39:45,625 --> 00:39:48,033
I know we have all these songs,
"we're a survivor,"
749
00:39:48,053 --> 00:39:51,054
But at the same time,
we're human beings.
750
00:39:51,205 --> 00:39:53,890
I think what you've
seen in the course of
the last several years,
751
00:39:54,117 --> 00:39:56,559
In particularly
survivors of color,
752
00:39:56,786 --> 00:40:00,730
Is an accountability
not just for one person
753
00:40:00,882 --> 00:40:03,733
But for a criminal justice
system that has
left many behind.
754
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,551
And I think part of why
it's making a difference,
755
00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:07,904
We see women that are
moving up in offices
756
00:40:08,055 --> 00:40:11,149
And taking positions of power.
And guess what.
757
00:40:11,243 --> 00:40:14,469
Before they got there, things
like this happened to them.
758
00:40:14,562 --> 00:40:17,639
While I am deeply thankful
that we live
759
00:40:17,732 --> 00:40:19,490
Or are beginning to live
in a culture
760
00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:23,311
Where survivors are believed,
and especially in cases
761
00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:26,589
Where there is
a clear pattern of abuse,
762
00:40:26,741 --> 00:40:29,834
We expect our institutions
763
00:40:29,986 --> 00:40:32,762
To step in
and to stop the harm.
764
00:40:32,914 --> 00:40:34,764
Tarana purke: This has been
a very long time coming.
765
00:40:34,916 --> 00:40:39,160
This is not always the way
justice will be served,
766
00:40:39,179 --> 00:40:42,254
If we can call it justice,
but at least it feels
like something.
767
00:40:42,274 --> 00:40:45,833
The real challenge
is to make sure that everything
768
00:40:45,927 --> 00:40:48,594
That got brought into the open
about r. Kelly,
769
00:40:48,688 --> 00:40:52,264
We use and continue
to use that knowledge
in black communities.
770
00:40:52,284 --> 00:40:54,842
If we can say 30 years from now,
771
00:40:54,861 --> 00:40:59,030
R. Kelly's going to jail
opened up a wider conversation
772
00:40:59,124 --> 00:41:02,200
For us to hold more people
accountable for their behavior,
773
00:41:02,294 --> 00:41:06,187
That would be a wonderful legacy
to this moment.
774
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,706
I feel like the system
has shown us
775
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,711
A pat on the back, yes,
but it took hell to get there.
776
00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:15,138
Let's not act like, you know,
777
00:41:15,365 --> 00:41:16,881
I didn't go to
the police before trial,
778
00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:18,641
You didn't go to the police
before trial.
779
00:41:18,793 --> 00:41:21,460
- Yeah.
- I'm not gonna say
I feel like 100%--
780
00:41:21,554 --> 00:41:24,205
Like, have we made history?
781
00:41:24,298 --> 00:41:27,058
Yes, but we still gotta, like...
782
00:41:27,210 --> 00:41:30,728
For me, I feel like it's a step
in the right direction.
783
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,822
- Mm-hmm.
- There's still a lot
of work to be done.
784
00:41:33,049 --> 00:41:35,307
Faith rodgers:
But also at the end of all this,
785
00:41:35,401 --> 00:41:37,568
Your healing
should be moving on,
786
00:41:37,721 --> 00:41:39,496
And everybody's healing
looks different.
787
00:41:39,647 --> 00:41:42,240
I can't go to somebody
and be like, "help me heal."
788
00:41:42,334 --> 00:41:45,251
- Right.
- You gotta go on that
journey by yourself.
789
00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:49,731
This is a process,
790
00:41:49,824 --> 00:41:51,749
And I think
for a number of survivors,
791
00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:53,510
It may be a lifelong journey.
792
00:41:57,832 --> 00:42:00,683
Michelle kramer:
The first few months,
it was very difficult.
793
00:42:00,835 --> 00:42:04,095
My daughter wasn't sleeping.
I wasn't sleeping.
794
00:42:04,247 --> 00:42:07,357
I was watching her
all over again
like a newborn baby.
795
00:42:07,584 --> 00:42:10,009
She get up in the middle
of the night, I'm getting up
in the middle of the night.
796
00:42:10,028 --> 00:42:13,437
So it was very difficult
until we both agreed
797
00:42:13,532 --> 00:42:16,366
That counseling is the answer.
798
00:42:16,593 --> 00:42:20,352
And she's still healing,
and I'm still healing too.
799
00:42:20,446 --> 00:42:24,115
Dominique gardner:
This is what living is
supposed to be like.
800
00:42:24,267 --> 00:42:27,118
I'm five months pregnant,
and it's a girl.
801
00:42:27,212 --> 00:42:30,788
I was praying for boy,
but I was blessed with a girl.
802
00:42:30,882 --> 00:42:33,791
Michelle kramer:
Now dominique has a daughter,
803
00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:37,128
Which, I'm so sorry,
we've been saying dominique
this whole time,
804
00:42:37,222 --> 00:42:40,131
And it's not dominique anymore.
She goes by sharday.
805
00:42:40,225 --> 00:42:42,725
She is happily married now.
806
00:42:42,952 --> 00:42:45,210
I knew that
she was gonna get happiness.
807
00:42:45,305 --> 00:42:47,379
Everything is worth a heartache
808
00:42:47,399 --> 00:42:50,066
Because it's always
going to be--
809
00:42:50,293 --> 00:42:53,552
As I always say,
"you're gonna smile at the end."
810
00:42:53,572 --> 00:42:55,129
Mark it.
811
00:42:55,222 --> 00:42:56,981
Producer:
Tell me your name.
812
00:42:57,075 --> 00:42:59,150
My name is jovante cunningham.
813
00:42:59,244 --> 00:43:02,728
Healing for me? The first step
was admitting what happened.
814
00:43:02,822 --> 00:43:07,584
The second step
was getting in a headspace
that was healthy for me,
815
00:43:07,811 --> 00:43:11,813
Getting the ideology of shame
off of my back.
816
00:43:11,831 --> 00:43:13,923
And now I'm in therapy.
817
00:43:14,075 --> 00:43:15,983
Producer: Ready?
818
00:43:16,002 --> 00:43:17,743
♪ sometimes your life
feels like ♪
819
00:43:17,762 --> 00:43:21,097
♪ a broken rollercoaster ♪
820
00:43:21,324 --> 00:43:26,269
♪ a thousand useless
moving parts ♪
821
00:43:26,496 --> 00:43:29,330
I just want to throw myself
into helping others.
822
00:43:29,423 --> 00:43:31,666
That's what I see healing
for me as.
823
00:43:31,759 --> 00:43:33,610
Ebonié doyle:
It's all about loving yourself.
824
00:43:33,761 --> 00:43:37,839
This is my way of freeing myself
from this situation
825
00:43:37,857 --> 00:43:40,842
That I have suppressed
for so many years.
826
00:43:40,935 --> 00:43:44,028
Kitti jones:
The therapy that I went through
journaling everything,
827
00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:47,698
Just caring about myself more,
surrounding myself with love.
828
00:43:47,851 --> 00:43:50,126
You know,
I deserve to feel good.
829
00:43:50,277 --> 00:43:52,703
Lisa van allen:
I've been writing a couple
of children's books
830
00:43:52,797 --> 00:43:55,022
About the proper way to say no
831
00:43:55,041 --> 00:43:57,041
If you don't agree with
the way someone touches you.
832
00:43:57,135 --> 00:43:59,118
My dad used to associate
833
00:43:59,137 --> 00:44:01,212
Mental health with,
"ahh, that's the demon."
834
00:44:01,306 --> 00:44:02,880
Now he understands
835
00:44:03,032 --> 00:44:06,884
Why I have anxiety,
so for that I'm thankful.
836
00:44:06,978 --> 00:44:09,387
I can finally exhale,
837
00:44:09,481 --> 00:44:11,873
And I am extremely happy
838
00:44:11,966 --> 00:44:14,542
That I can finally
close this chapter.
839
00:44:14,635 --> 00:44:16,727
I found me a therapist.
I met with her
840
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,562
Three times a week.
841
00:44:18,715 --> 00:44:21,807
So I'm taking the steps
to do what I need
842
00:44:21,901 --> 00:44:24,309
To support my mental health.
843
00:44:24,329 --> 00:44:26,721
And now I'm a nurse
and I'm a nurse educator.
844
00:44:26,739 --> 00:44:28,147
♪ look up ♪
845
00:44:28,241 --> 00:44:31,893
♪ do you see the sunlight? ♪
846
00:44:31,911 --> 00:44:33,728
♪ look up ♪
847
00:44:33,821 --> 00:44:37,081
♪ there's flowers
in your hair ♪
848
00:44:37,175 --> 00:44:38,991
♪ hold on ♪
849
00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:42,679
♪ 'cause somebody loves you ♪
850
00:44:42,906 --> 00:44:45,573
♪ you know trouble's
always gonna be there ♪
851
00:44:45,591 --> 00:44:48,500
♪ look up ♪
852
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,912
♪ don't let it bring you
to your knees ♪
853
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:52,021
♪ look up ♪
854
00:45:02,516 --> 00:45:07,445
When they found him guilty,
I was like, "is this real?"
855
00:45:07,597 --> 00:45:11,374
He's gotta know that he's wrong,
856
00:45:11,601 --> 00:45:14,952
And I don't think
that that's set in yet,
857
00:45:15,046 --> 00:45:18,214
That he's actually
getting ready to pay the price
858
00:45:18,441 --> 00:45:22,626
For doing all of these things
that he's done
859
00:45:22,779 --> 00:45:24,512
Because it's not
his reality yet.
860
00:45:31,212 --> 00:45:32,562
Julia reinstein:
It's June 29th,
861
00:45:32,713 --> 00:45:34,472
And r. Kelly
is getting sentenced.
862
00:45:34,624 --> 00:45:37,883
Free r. Kelly! Free r.Kelly!
863
00:45:37,902 --> 00:45:40,903
What we want? Justice!
864
00:45:41,130 --> 00:45:46,558
Federal prosecutors,
they've asked for over 25 years
in prison for r. Kelly.
865
00:45:46,578 --> 00:45:50,913
This is a really big day
for all the many, many people
866
00:45:51,140 --> 00:45:53,232
That r. Kelly has hurt
for so many years.
867
00:45:53,251 --> 00:45:55,326
It's a really
pivotal moment in this case,
868
00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:57,712
A case that's stretched
for decades at this point.
869
00:46:05,597 --> 00:46:09,265
Kelly faces
a second federal trial
870
00:46:09,416 --> 00:46:10,433
By the northern district
of illinois.
871
00:46:13,830 --> 00:46:17,422
Then there would be
the cook county
state's attorney trial,
872
00:46:17,517 --> 00:46:18,566
The state of illinois.
873
00:46:21,671 --> 00:46:25,114
After that, there is still
a criminal case pending,
874
00:46:25,266 --> 00:46:27,116
Minnesota state charges.
875
00:46:30,346 --> 00:46:32,029
Oronike odeleye:
The future of #muterkelly
876
00:46:32,181 --> 00:46:34,123
Is gonna be keeping an eye
on these trials
877
00:46:34,275 --> 00:46:35,850
And keeping
that conversation going.
878
00:46:35,868 --> 00:46:37,609
We want people
paying attention.
879
00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:40,354
We want them dialed in
so that they can really see
880
00:46:40,447 --> 00:46:43,758
What a blueprint
for justice looks like.
881
00:46:47,472 --> 00:46:48,954
Jovante cunningham:
There's certain individuals
882
00:46:48,973 --> 00:46:51,307
That definitely knew
what was going on.
883
00:46:51,458 --> 00:46:55,536
Some people knew
he had an insatiable taste
for young girls.
884
00:46:55,629 --> 00:46:58,463
It's layers. It's a building.
885
00:46:58,558 --> 00:47:00,558
It's the accountants,
it's the lawyers,
it's the managers.
886
00:47:00,710 --> 00:47:03,060
It's these people that knew,
887
00:47:03,154 --> 00:47:05,563
And because they wanted
to continue to profit,
888
00:47:05,715 --> 00:47:09,050
Literally fed his addiction,
889
00:47:09,068 --> 00:47:11,735
Didn't get him
the proper counseling,
told him it was okay.
890
00:47:11,888 --> 00:47:14,146
Sometimes it was
bringing the girls
down there themselves.
891
00:47:14,165 --> 00:47:16,724
So is there an enterprise?
Absolutely.
892
00:47:16,742 --> 00:47:22,413
What you see now
is the evidence of that.
893
00:47:22,507 --> 00:47:25,066
Justice for me would be
getting all that ass.
894
00:47:25,084 --> 00:47:27,343
All that ass.
Yeah, I said it.
895
00:47:27,494 --> 00:47:28,678
All that ass.
896
00:47:30,756 --> 00:47:32,406
Every last one of them,
897
00:47:32,499 --> 00:47:36,185
And it goes back
30 freaking years.
898
00:47:59,268 --> 00:48:00,710
Jim derogatis:
The young girl on the tape,
899
00:48:00,937 --> 00:48:04,029
She testified
that he sexually abused her
900
00:48:04,048 --> 00:48:05,530
Hundreds of times,
901
00:48:05,550 --> 00:48:08,217
Starting at age 14.
902
00:48:08,444 --> 00:48:12,947
In testimony yesterday,
jane publically admitting
903
00:48:12,965 --> 00:48:15,224
That she was the girl
in the video,
904
00:48:15,451 --> 00:48:17,393
In that r. Kelly video
you may remember
905
00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:20,804
From the 2008 trial
at cook county.
906
00:48:20,899 --> 00:48:23,399
The woman at the center
of that footage testified,
907
00:48:23,626 --> 00:48:26,861
"I became exhausted with
living with these lies."
908
00:48:28,314 --> 00:48:31,056
I found the girl
from the tapes' ig page.
909
00:48:31,075 --> 00:48:32,074
I reached out to her.
910
00:48:32,226 --> 00:48:33,910
I wanted to let her know
911
00:48:34,137 --> 00:48:37,138
That it was not our fault,
we were young,
912
00:48:37,156 --> 00:48:40,082
And to let her know
that if she needed
someone to talk to,
913
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:41,208
I was there.
914
00:49:14,619 --> 00:49:18,846
I hope that the victims,
those involved in the trial,
915
00:49:18,864 --> 00:49:22,183
And the many who
never have come public,
916
00:49:22,201 --> 00:49:24,185
I hope they realize
speaking out
917
00:49:24,203 --> 00:49:26,203
And telling the truth
was not in vain.
918
00:49:26,355 --> 00:49:29,781
How many of these stories
are not being told?
919
00:49:29,801 --> 00:49:34,195
You know, how many other
r. Kelly-type sagas
920
00:49:34,288 --> 00:49:36,138
Have been out there
for decades?
921
00:49:36,290 --> 00:49:39,717
I do think kelly
will singularly go down
922
00:49:39,869 --> 00:49:42,036
In the history of popular music
923
00:49:42,054 --> 00:49:45,982
As the worst
criminal predator ever.