1 00:00:33,850 --> 00:00:36,851 What's done in the dark always comes to light. 2 00:00:36,871 --> 00:00:40,372 Jim derogatis: The story the prosecution told with 45 witnesses 3 00:00:40,524 --> 00:00:43,709 And hundreds of pieces of evidence, it starts in '91. 4 00:00:43,860 --> 00:00:46,436 I was the first girl, and nobody believed me. 5 00:00:46,530 --> 00:00:48,714 You know, this goes back to aaliyah. 6 00:00:48,941 --> 00:00:50,382 Julia reinstein: She was jane doe number one, 7 00:00:50,609 --> 00:00:52,367 And of course, she's not alive to tell her own story. 8 00:00:52,386 --> 00:00:53,777 Jim derogatis: One of the victims claimed 9 00:00:53,870 --> 00:00:55,703 To have been raped by kelly 10 00:00:55,798 --> 00:00:59,391 Just within days of the aaliyah marriage. 11 00:00:59,618 --> 00:01:01,060 Jerhonda pace: I had this blue aéropostale shirt on, 12 00:01:01,287 --> 00:01:04,288 And I wiped his semen and saliva off my face. 13 00:01:04,381 --> 00:01:05,622 Coming home, you gotta understand this, 14 00:01:05,715 --> 00:01:07,399 Because you have your daughter home 15 00:01:07,626 --> 00:01:10,402 Don't mean you have 100% of your daughter home. 16 00:01:10,629 --> 00:01:14,981 The little piece of me that wanted him to get some help, it just went out the window. 17 00:01:15,076 --> 00:01:19,411 Here it is, I'm finna face the man that violated my daughter. 18 00:01:19,638 --> 00:01:24,308 Going over every incident, I couldn't have any pride about that situation. 19 00:01:24,401 --> 00:01:27,661 The intimidation tactics remain real. 20 00:01:27,813 --> 00:01:31,423 His entourage wanted these women's allegations to be snubbed. 21 00:01:31,650 --> 00:01:34,484 - You wanna kill six people? - Kelly rodgers: He didn't do it alone. 22 00:01:34,578 --> 00:01:36,987 I don't think he should be charged alone. 23 00:01:37,005 --> 00:01:39,581 Joy-- as of today, joy's still not home. 24 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,675 We still fighting now to get his daughter. 25 00:01:41,827 --> 00:01:45,420 This has to stop, and it has to stop now. 26 00:01:45,514 --> 00:01:48,665 You know, we've come too far, and I'ma see it through 27 00:01:48,758 --> 00:01:51,835 Until each of y'all get what y'all deserve, 28 00:01:51,854 --> 00:01:54,504 And that's a guilty sentence. 29 00:01:54,523 --> 00:01:56,115 Guilty. 30 00:02:00,346 --> 00:02:02,746 ( music playing ) 31 00:02:08,445 --> 00:02:10,370 Dominique gardner: At the time, 32 00:02:10,464 --> 00:02:12,614 I felt I gotta be more of a boy for the both of us. 33 00:02:12,708 --> 00:02:16,784 He enjoyed that homey friendship, because that's what it was. 34 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:18,620 You know, basketball together, 35 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,788 You know, partying together, drinking together. 36 00:02:20,808 --> 00:02:22,808 So I accepted that role. 37 00:02:29,299 --> 00:02:33,393 - I prefer not to talk about that. - Okay. 38 00:02:33,545 --> 00:02:36,804 The final indictment that comes out of brooklyn, it named six women. 39 00:02:36,824 --> 00:02:38,899 And then a month before trial, 40 00:02:38,993 --> 00:02:44,554 Prosecutors also add on this very large 55-page document 41 00:02:44,648 --> 00:02:48,500 That lists 14 additional women and two men. 42 00:02:48,727 --> 00:02:51,152 The feds are laying it all out in these 52 pages. 43 00:02:51,246 --> 00:02:55,591 The new accusations describe young boys as r. Kelly victims, too. 44 00:03:03,017 --> 00:03:05,926 I-- blown away. 45 00:03:06,020 --> 00:03:10,522 To talk about john does, it threw me for a loop. 46 00:03:10,749 --> 00:03:13,433 I mean, this is my brother we talking about. 47 00:03:13,527 --> 00:03:19,364 My mind is-- so to speak, my wig was blew back. 48 00:03:19,516 --> 00:03:22,926 Well, this r. Kelly trial is continuing in brooklyn. 49 00:03:23,019 --> 00:03:26,187 The first man who is actually accusing r. Kelly took the stand. 50 00:03:26,281 --> 00:03:28,432 He's going under the name louis. 51 00:03:28,450 --> 00:03:31,451 He was just 17 and working at a mcdonald's drive-thru 52 00:03:31,545 --> 00:03:33,453 When he met kelly. 53 00:03:33,605 --> 00:03:36,790 He was a senior in high school and was an aspiring musician. 54 00:03:36,942 --> 00:03:40,110 He had sexual contact with r. Kelly multiple times that he didn't want, 55 00:03:40,203 --> 00:03:43,204 And r. Kelly would often record it. 56 00:03:43,298 --> 00:03:45,949 So there were two male accusers who testified in trial. 57 00:03:46,042 --> 00:03:48,301 They were john doe #1 and #2. 58 00:03:48,454 --> 00:03:52,064 They testified under the pseudonyms louis and alex, respectively. 59 00:03:52,215 --> 00:03:57,143 Singer r. Kelly began a sexual relationship with one boy in the chicago area, 60 00:03:57,238 --> 00:04:00,146 Then allegedly abused that teen's friend as well, 61 00:04:00,299 --> 00:04:02,074 Recruiting them into a sex ring. 62 00:04:02,301 --> 00:04:05,059 Louis brought alex to one of r. Kelly's parties, 63 00:04:05,153 --> 00:04:07,246 And r. Kelly later encouraged louis 64 00:04:07,397 --> 00:04:10,474 To keep bringing him around and said, "he's a funny dude." 65 00:04:10,567 --> 00:04:12,826 This was clearly a pattern for r. Kelly. 66 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,329 He would use the teenage victims he was already abusing 67 00:04:16,423 --> 00:04:19,649 And have them introduce him to more potential victims. 68 00:04:19,668 --> 00:04:24,488 After alex had been abused by r. Kelly for a while 69 00:04:24,506 --> 00:04:26,414 After meeting him at 17, 70 00:04:26,508 --> 00:04:28,325 R. Kelly nicknamed him "nephew." 71 00:04:28,418 --> 00:04:31,103 They're not related, not actually his nephew. 72 00:04:31,254 --> 00:04:33,997 Like a lot of the victims that we heard from during the trial, 73 00:04:34,016 --> 00:04:39,260 Alex talked about how he was made to have sexual contact with many of the other victims. 74 00:04:39,354 --> 00:04:41,671 And we heard that from jane, 75 00:04:41,690 --> 00:04:46,176 And she recalled having been told to have sexual contact 76 00:04:46,194 --> 00:04:48,770 With someone she only knew of as nephew. 77 00:04:48,789 --> 00:04:52,291 R. Kelly didn't just have sex with these two men, 78 00:04:52,518 --> 00:04:55,610 But he would force these young men and the women 79 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:59,205 That he had also lured into his circle to have sex with each other. 80 00:04:59,300 --> 00:05:02,359 They were these little dolls that he was able to put together 81 00:05:02,377 --> 00:05:03,969 If he wanted and take apart if he wanted, 82 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,712 Put one in a room for a couple hours 83 00:05:05,864 --> 00:05:07,622 While he made another one do another thing. 84 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:09,808 And nobody knew each other. It's very bizarre. 85 00:05:13,147 --> 00:05:15,038 It didn't surprise me 86 00:05:15,057 --> 00:05:17,057 That, you know, he had been with males 87 00:05:17,151 --> 00:05:21,302 Because he liked for himself to be penetrated 88 00:05:21,396 --> 00:05:23,563 In the anus all the time. 89 00:05:23,657 --> 00:05:27,233 And he liked to use dildos and things like that on him. 90 00:05:27,328 --> 00:05:30,495 And a woman, she would have to use a device of some sort. 91 00:05:30,722 --> 00:05:33,648 The assumption that r. Kelly was heterosexual 92 00:05:33,742 --> 00:05:35,225 And bringing in these women 93 00:05:35,243 --> 00:05:37,727 Almost fit a certain script or narrative 94 00:05:37,746 --> 00:05:40,914 Of a powerful man preying upon vulnerable women. 95 00:05:41,008 --> 00:05:43,991 But now you're putting vulnerable men in the mix, 96 00:05:44,011 --> 00:05:47,679 And so this became less a story of sexual assault, 97 00:05:47,906 --> 00:05:49,072 Which was very female-identified in this case, 98 00:05:49,165 --> 00:05:52,333 And it just became a case of perpetration, 99 00:05:52,427 --> 00:05:56,079 That this guy just harms. 100 00:05:56,098 --> 00:05:58,598 Preston mitchum: Hearing and reading john doe's transcript, 101 00:05:58,750 --> 00:06:02,194 He stated that one of the reasons why he did not want to come forward 102 00:06:02,345 --> 00:06:04,863 Was because he didn't want anyone to question his sexuality. 103 00:06:05,014 --> 00:06:08,425 Many straight men who may experience harm, 104 00:06:08,443 --> 00:06:11,203 Sexual assault, rape, may not come forward. 105 00:06:11,430 --> 00:06:13,705 Given the ways we talk about sexual violence, 106 00:06:13,857 --> 00:06:16,766 Given how homophobia functions in our society, 107 00:06:16,785 --> 00:06:21,271 Given how little space we often have for men and boys 108 00:06:21,364 --> 00:06:24,274 To come forward to talk about their experiences with sexual violence, 109 00:06:24,292 --> 00:06:26,534 I also knew that they would be maligned 110 00:06:26,553 --> 00:06:29,279 And derided and made fun of, 111 00:06:29,297 --> 00:06:33,116 That they would be not be seen wholly as victims. 112 00:06:33,209 --> 00:06:34,968 Dr. Joan morgan: So with r. Kelly, 113 00:06:35,062 --> 00:06:38,622 The fact that he knows that this has happened to him, 114 00:06:38,715 --> 00:06:41,215 He is also the victim of sexual abuse 115 00:06:41,235 --> 00:06:43,902 And sexual assault at a young age, 116 00:06:44,129 --> 00:06:46,796 It makes me wonder if he's in any way redeemable 117 00:06:46,815 --> 00:06:50,409 'cause sometimes I really look at him and wonder, 118 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,987 Do you really think that this is normal behavior? 119 00:06:54,081 --> 00:06:58,333 And he completely moves around to me like he thinks it is. 120 00:07:00,312 --> 00:07:02,570 Another testimony that stood out to me 121 00:07:02,664 --> 00:07:04,481 Was when sonja testified. 122 00:07:04,499 --> 00:07:06,650 She was a radio intern 123 00:07:06,668 --> 00:07:08,385 And thought she was gonna come for an interview. 124 00:07:16,437 --> 00:07:19,996 Sonja was the pseudonym for another one of the jane does, 125 00:07:20,089 --> 00:07:23,108 And her testimony was pretty unique. 126 00:07:23,259 --> 00:07:24,943 Jim derogatis: Salt lake city, utah. 127 00:07:25,170 --> 00:07:28,021 Utah is the whitest place in america. 128 00:07:28,173 --> 00:07:30,264 Kelly goes to the one shopping mall 129 00:07:30,284 --> 00:07:35,679 And finds the one aspiring dj who is wowed by him 130 00:07:35,697 --> 00:07:37,956 And wants to do an interview with him. 131 00:07:38,107 --> 00:07:41,868 Talk about the unerring eye and knowledge 132 00:07:41,962 --> 00:07:44,796 Of where to find his victims and who to victimize. 133 00:07:54,382 --> 00:07:59,478 ( distorted ) we had heard that r. Kelly was at a local mall, 134 00:07:59,705 --> 00:08:02,814 And I wanted to see if I can get an interview 135 00:08:03,041 --> 00:08:05,633 Or get him to come up to the radio station. 136 00:08:05,727 --> 00:08:09,546 And there was somebody that walked up behind me and gave me his number. 137 00:08:09,564 --> 00:08:13,566 He eventually had her flown to his studio in chicago, 138 00:08:13,660 --> 00:08:16,828 And it was really harrowing what happened to her next. 139 00:08:20,316 --> 00:08:22,334 I was greeted at the taxi. 140 00:08:22,561 --> 00:08:24,561 They took my luggage 141 00:08:24,579 --> 00:08:26,988 And took it into the chocolate factory. 142 00:08:27,007 --> 00:08:29,082 First thing that the guy had asked me 143 00:08:29,234 --> 00:08:30,750 When I first walked in the door was, 144 00:08:30,902 --> 00:08:32,418 "do you need a condom?" 145 00:08:32,513 --> 00:08:34,904 And I said, "oh, no, I'm not here for that." 146 00:08:34,998 --> 00:08:38,575 They had this protocol of either getting 147 00:08:38,593 --> 00:08:40,927 A driver's license that they would scan, 148 00:08:41,021 --> 00:08:43,504 Or they would actually take their own polaroid picture 149 00:08:43,524 --> 00:08:46,816 Of the girls or young women as they came in. 150 00:08:49,363 --> 00:08:53,031 They would also make people who came to the chocolate factory, 151 00:08:53,182 --> 00:08:55,367 They would make them sign confidentiality agreements 152 00:08:55,518 --> 00:08:57,594 Saying that they wouldn't talk about what happened there 153 00:08:57,687 --> 00:08:59,612 And that they wouldn't record anything 154 00:08:59,706 --> 00:09:01,873 Or take any photographs while they were in the studio. 155 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:04,267 Sonja: They took my id and took my cell phone. 156 00:09:04,286 --> 00:09:05,935 And another guy came in, 157 00:09:05,954 --> 00:09:09,789 And he had a nondisclosure agreement, 158 00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:14,886 And said, "you cannot tell anybody that you were here. 159 00:09:15,038 --> 00:09:19,224 You can't talk to anybody that you see in the halls. 160 00:09:19,451 --> 00:09:23,210 If you use the restroom, you have to be escorted 161 00:09:23,305 --> 00:09:24,896 And you keep your head down. 162 00:09:25,123 --> 00:09:28,049 Don't look at anybody. Don't talk to anybody. 163 00:09:28,143 --> 00:09:31,811 You come straight back to your room until mr. Kelly comes in." 164 00:09:31,905 --> 00:09:34,388 Still, at that point in time I'm thinking to myself, 165 00:09:34,408 --> 00:09:37,150 "okay, this is what everybody does 166 00:09:37,244 --> 00:09:40,394 When they're coming here to interview r. Kelly." 167 00:09:40,414 --> 00:09:42,472 She wasn't given food. 168 00:09:42,490 --> 00:09:45,475 She wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom at will. 169 00:09:45,493 --> 00:09:48,311 She really was kept in there as captive. 170 00:09:48,330 --> 00:09:50,663 ( door closes ) 171 00:09:50,757 --> 00:09:52,424 They closed the door, 172 00:09:52,575 --> 00:09:54,334 And when they closed it... 173 00:09:54,428 --> 00:09:57,153 - ( locks clicking ) - ...I heard this thud, 174 00:09:57,246 --> 00:09:59,431 Another thud, and another thud. 175 00:09:59,658 --> 00:10:03,176 Those noises that I heard when they walked out 176 00:10:03,328 --> 00:10:06,253 Was them locking the door from the outside. 177 00:10:06,348 --> 00:10:09,441 That part, like, is so emotional. 178 00:10:11,094 --> 00:10:14,687 I just remember thinking to myself, 179 00:10:14,781 --> 00:10:18,783 I'm here by myself, and why did they lock this door? 180 00:10:19,010 --> 00:10:20,452 Who would do that? 181 00:10:26,442 --> 00:10:30,186 I was locked in that room for two to three days. 182 00:10:30,205 --> 00:10:31,630 Maybe even four. 183 00:10:33,541 --> 00:10:35,541 She didn't even have her own cell phone at the time. 184 00:10:35,636 --> 00:10:37,302 She was a single young mother 185 00:10:37,453 --> 00:10:39,620 And she had to borrow her grandfather's cell phone 186 00:10:39,714 --> 00:10:43,290 To fly out to meet up with r. Kelly. 187 00:10:43,385 --> 00:10:44,959 She was really a kidnap victim. 188 00:10:45,053 --> 00:10:46,719 So I went and dialed the front desk, 189 00:10:46,813 --> 00:10:48,872 And finally the guy answered. 190 00:10:48,890 --> 00:10:51,207 And then I said, "hey, this door is locked. 191 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:53,209 Why aren't you opening the door?" 192 00:10:53,228 --> 00:10:56,971 And he said that it had to be approved by mr. Kelly. 193 00:10:57,065 --> 00:10:59,899 And I tried to call my friends. 194 00:11:00,051 --> 00:11:02,494 I tried to call everybody I knew. 195 00:11:02,645 --> 00:11:06,831 But then I thought, "okay, I just signed this nondisclosure agreement. 196 00:11:06,983 --> 00:11:09,225 What does that mean? Am I not supposed to tell them 197 00:11:09,244 --> 00:11:11,152 What's happening in this room?" 198 00:11:11,246 --> 00:11:14,397 There was a lot of focus on the nda 199 00:11:14,490 --> 00:11:16,399 That was given to her to sign 200 00:11:16,492 --> 00:11:18,918 And the lighting in the room. 201 00:11:19,070 --> 00:11:22,572 Even though she really couldn't see it, it was used against her 202 00:11:22,590 --> 00:11:26,242 As to why she didn't read every line of this nda. 203 00:11:26,335 --> 00:11:28,094 Julia reinstein: The defense kept hammering on, 204 00:11:28,188 --> 00:11:31,915 You know, "why didn't you run? Why didn't you tell anyone?" 205 00:11:32,008 --> 00:11:34,417 And one of the sticking points was actually that 206 00:11:34,436 --> 00:11:36,269 Apparently there was a phone in the room, 207 00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:38,104 And they said, "why didn't you just call the police?" 208 00:11:38,256 --> 00:11:40,365 And she had a pretty clear answer for that. 209 00:11:40,516 --> 00:11:43,350 It sounds like she was afraid for her life and her family's lives. 210 00:11:43,445 --> 00:11:45,853 When she arrived at the studio, 211 00:11:45,947 --> 00:11:50,433 Employees for r. Kelly copied down the names and contact info 212 00:11:50,452 --> 00:11:54,270 For a bunch of people in her phone, for her family members, 213 00:11:54,363 --> 00:11:56,363 And she had a young daughter as well. 214 00:11:56,458 --> 00:12:00,201 These the things he done to these young ladies feeling entitled. 215 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:05,798 And the crazy part is his approach is the same, male or female. 216 00:12:05,892 --> 00:12:09,877 He's manipulating young boys and young girls. 217 00:12:09,896 --> 00:12:13,806 You run an organization of men 218 00:12:13,959 --> 00:12:16,292 That follow you to a t. 219 00:12:16,311 --> 00:12:18,719 And I thought, "what is going to happen 220 00:12:18,813 --> 00:12:21,406 If I do say something to somebody?" 221 00:12:21,557 --> 00:12:25,076 She testified that she wasn't able to eat or drink 222 00:12:25,228 --> 00:12:30,823 And that she was panicking essentially, and beating on the door. 223 00:12:30,976 --> 00:12:35,328 No one would open the door, or, you know, let her leave. 224 00:12:35,422 --> 00:12:38,923 I had told the receptionist that I wanted to order some food, 225 00:12:39,150 --> 00:12:41,760 And he had to get it approved by mr. Kelly. 226 00:12:41,987 --> 00:12:46,580 It took hours and hours to get this chinese food. 227 00:12:46,674 --> 00:12:51,511 She wasn't given food until quite some time into her time there 228 00:12:51,663 --> 00:12:55,348 And then was given some chinese food and a sprite which served in an open cup. 229 00:12:55,442 --> 00:12:57,567 She had some of it and then just passed out. 230 00:12:59,780 --> 00:13:02,522 Sonja: So I woke up on the couch, and I thought, 231 00:13:02,674 --> 00:13:05,116 "well, that's weird," because I wasn't laying like that before. 232 00:13:05,343 --> 00:13:09,287 The last I knew, I was eating at the table. 233 00:13:09,514 --> 00:13:13,875 I had some wet stuff in between my legs. 234 00:13:15,444 --> 00:13:17,945 I was so confused. 235 00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:20,023 "why am I laying right here? 236 00:13:20,041 --> 00:13:22,041 How did my underwear come off? 237 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:24,469 What is that noise?" 238 00:13:24,696 --> 00:13:28,531 When I rolled over and I looked to my right, 239 00:13:28,624 --> 00:13:32,477 I saw r. Kelly doing up his pants. 240 00:13:34,964 --> 00:13:38,041 It wasn't until he had left the room 241 00:13:38,134 --> 00:13:43,446 That I realized he just did something to me. 242 00:13:56,152 --> 00:13:59,320 ( distorted ) I saw r. Kelly doing up 243 00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:02,841 His pants in the corner. 244 00:14:03,068 --> 00:14:07,846 I had some wet stuff in between my legs. 245 00:14:08,073 --> 00:14:10,256 My underwear was at the edge of the couch. 246 00:14:10,408 --> 00:14:12,499 I mean, everything clicked. 247 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:15,186 They must've put something in my food. 248 00:14:15,338 --> 00:14:18,982 I believe that I was raped by robert kelly. 249 00:14:22,587 --> 00:14:26,255 After he left the room, somebody came in the room and said, "hey, you can go." 250 00:14:26,274 --> 00:14:29,775 He had another nda and said, 251 00:14:29,928 --> 00:14:33,204 "you don't tell anybody about what happened while you were here. 252 00:14:33,356 --> 00:14:35,206 So, don't ( bleep ) with mr. Kelly." 253 00:14:36,951 --> 00:14:38,267 When I got back from chicago, 254 00:14:38,286 --> 00:14:40,879 I wanted to call the police. 255 00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:43,773 I wanted to scream for years and years 256 00:14:43,791 --> 00:14:48,720 Every time I would hear anything about rob kelly. 257 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:53,783 I was terrified. 258 00:14:53,876 --> 00:14:58,971 I have been contacted by people from his entourage over the years. 259 00:14:59,124 --> 00:15:02,901 They have shown up, you know, at numerous different places. 260 00:15:03,128 --> 00:15:05,645 "we're still watching you, so, you know, 261 00:15:05,797 --> 00:15:10,483 Don't try to make any moves." 262 00:15:10,577 --> 00:15:14,228 Kind of keeping me in check, I guess you could say. 263 00:15:14,322 --> 00:15:17,398 I've been living in fear from the time that I left chicago, 264 00:15:17,492 --> 00:15:20,234 I mean, in all honesty. 265 00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:22,420 In the case of r. Kelly, 266 00:15:22,571 --> 00:15:25,498 I think there was a legitimate reason 267 00:15:25,592 --> 00:15:28,760 To be concerned about potential retaliation. 268 00:15:28,911 --> 00:15:31,930 It was made pretty clear that if she was to speak up, 269 00:15:32,157 --> 00:15:35,082 She or someone she loved was gonna be hurt. 270 00:15:35,101 --> 00:15:36,434 So she did not speak up. 271 00:15:45,946 --> 00:15:48,688 - So I was, like, kept on standby... - Same here. 272 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,339 ...Up until, like, the end. 273 00:15:50,358 --> 00:15:51,950 I kept seeing the jane does, 274 00:15:52,101 --> 00:15:53,767 And I'm like, "I'm gonna go next." 275 00:15:53,861 --> 00:15:55,845 And then it didn't happen. 276 00:15:55,863 --> 00:15:58,030 As the weeks continued to go by in the trial, 277 00:15:58,124 --> 00:16:02,351 When I found out that I wouldn't end up having to face him 278 00:16:02,370 --> 00:16:04,629 Or be in the same room with him, there was a little bit of relief 279 00:16:04,856 --> 00:16:08,800 But also a little bit of disappointment. 280 00:16:08,951 --> 00:16:13,137 I wanted to get that moment to feel like, "I'm not scared. 281 00:16:13,364 --> 00:16:15,640 Your energy doesn't frighten me anymore." 282 00:16:21,815 --> 00:16:24,040 So there was discussion during the trial, you know, 283 00:16:24,058 --> 00:16:26,058 Is that government proving rico 284 00:16:26,211 --> 00:16:30,154 Or are they just proving sexual assault and rape? 285 00:16:30,306 --> 00:16:33,549 And it's not always clear even to the jury 286 00:16:33,568 --> 00:16:36,977 How each witness's testimony fits in together, 287 00:16:36,997 --> 00:16:39,163 But that's what closing argument is. 288 00:16:39,315 --> 00:16:42,241 The government wove it all together at the end 289 00:16:42,393 --> 00:16:45,003 To prove that this was a criminal enterprise. 290 00:16:50,176 --> 00:16:53,069 It really all came together in the closing arguments. 291 00:16:53,162 --> 00:16:56,422 The prosecution really went hard. 292 00:16:56,574 --> 00:17:00,409 Reporter: Prosecutors brought 45 witnesses to prove racketeering charges. 293 00:17:00,503 --> 00:17:03,579 They had a lot of exhibits. They had the videos, plane tickets. 294 00:17:03,672 --> 00:17:04,671 They had a lot of evidence. 295 00:17:04,766 --> 00:17:06,766 They had text messages, 296 00:17:06,860 --> 00:17:08,509 Witnesses that corroborated the text messages. 297 00:17:08,528 --> 00:17:10,028 It was just a lot. 298 00:17:10,179 --> 00:17:12,605 Reporter: The prosecution argues kelly ran an enterprise 299 00:17:12,757 --> 00:17:14,866 For sexual gratification. 300 00:17:15,017 --> 00:17:17,276 Reporter: Closing arguments wrapped up today 301 00:17:17,428 --> 00:17:20,872 Describing how r. Kelly operated from a "predator's handbook 302 00:17:21,023 --> 00:17:23,875 Of isolation and manipulation of underage victims." 303 00:17:24,026 --> 00:17:26,377 Noah goldberg: The r. Kelly trial continued toward its end 304 00:17:26,529 --> 00:17:28,362 As prosecutors finished up their closing statements. 305 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:30,956 And then defense attorney deveraux cannick 306 00:17:31,051 --> 00:17:34,052 Got up and delivered a fiery closing statement. 307 00:17:34,203 --> 00:17:36,203 Reporter: Kelly's defense began its closing argument 308 00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:38,872 By comparing the r&b singer's trial 309 00:17:38,892 --> 00:17:40,558 To dr. Martin luther king jr.'s 310 00:17:40,785 --> 00:17:42,968 Fight for constitutional rights. 311 00:17:43,063 --> 00:17:45,563 Let's start right away with the defense's comparison 312 00:17:45,790 --> 00:17:48,140 Of r. Kelly to martin luther king jr. 313 00:17:48,293 --> 00:17:52,403 Reporters, as it became clear he was talking about king, 314 00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:53,979 They started looking around at each other, 315 00:17:54,074 --> 00:17:56,390 Kind of being like, "is this really happening? 316 00:17:56,409 --> 00:17:58,076 Is he really comparing r. Kelly, 317 00:17:58,227 --> 00:18:00,820 Who's accused of running a sex trafficking ring, 318 00:18:00,972 --> 00:18:03,081 To martin luther king? 319 00:18:03,232 --> 00:18:06,309 The idea that r. Kelly's defense team 320 00:18:06,402 --> 00:18:11,647 Would think that audiences were so unsophisticated and really stupid 321 00:18:11,666 --> 00:18:14,408 And insultingly suggest that defending r. Kelly 322 00:18:14,427 --> 00:18:17,929 Was on par with defending other folks 323 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,914 Who have been criminalized for challenging unjust laws 324 00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:23,250 For me was absolutely insidious, right? 325 00:18:23,344 --> 00:18:25,252 It's like, "how dare you?" 326 00:18:25,346 --> 00:18:29,107 Jacob shamsian: One of the things that the defense said a lot 327 00:18:29,258 --> 00:18:31,776 Was the trial was something like an extension of "surviving r. Kelly." 328 00:18:32,003 --> 00:18:34,112 They kept saying, "surviving off r. Kelly." 329 00:18:34,263 --> 00:18:36,689 Right? That was, like, this joke they made 330 00:18:36,841 --> 00:18:38,449 Across some closing statements. 331 00:18:38,601 --> 00:18:40,526 In the defense's opening statement, 332 00:18:40,678 --> 00:18:42,620 One of the things and strategies they had indicated 333 00:18:42,847 --> 00:18:45,456 Is they planned to attack the credibility 334 00:18:45,683 --> 00:18:47,516 Of every witness that would take the stand. 335 00:18:47,610 --> 00:18:50,186 All of which is his right to do, 336 00:18:50,204 --> 00:18:53,464 But doesn't indicate an actual defense to the behavior itself. 337 00:18:53,616 --> 00:18:55,299 So if I were jury member, I'm sitting there going, 338 00:18:55,526 --> 00:18:59,637 "that's great, but did you or did you not do this?" 339 00:19:05,036 --> 00:19:07,870 When it went to the jury, I bit off all my nails. 340 00:19:07,963 --> 00:19:10,314 A jury began deliberations today 341 00:19:10,541 --> 00:19:12,984 In the federal trial of singer r. Kelly. 342 00:19:13,135 --> 00:19:16,154 At 1:40 this afternoon, the jury of seven men 343 00:19:16,305 --> 00:19:19,306 And five women began deliberating. 344 00:19:19,325 --> 00:19:21,217 Lanita carter: To the jurors, I want them to realize 345 00:19:21,235 --> 00:19:24,236 How important their job is right now. 346 00:19:24,389 --> 00:19:27,556 I want them to be as fair as they possibly can 347 00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:29,983 And to know that if they stop this, 348 00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:32,003 They'll be stopping a vicious cycle. 349 00:19:32,154 --> 00:19:34,839 I was nervous, restless. 350 00:19:34,990 --> 00:19:37,082 That whole weekend I was a basketcase. 351 00:19:37,235 --> 00:19:40,085 I really just froze. 352 00:19:40,238 --> 00:19:43,572 Jury, please listen to this announcement! 353 00:19:43,591 --> 00:19:45,516 R. Kelly is an innocent man! 354 00:19:46,761 --> 00:19:47,927 How's your client feeling? 355 00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:50,095 Stressed. 356 00:19:50,248 --> 00:19:51,689 Charles rodgers: In the world that we live in, 357 00:19:51,916 --> 00:19:54,341 People that are famous that are guilty, 358 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,177 And people that have money that are guilty, they walk. 359 00:19:57,271 --> 00:20:00,773 I started, you know, playing all these scenarios in my mind, 360 00:20:00,867 --> 00:20:02,700 And, you know, "what if it comes back not guilty?" 361 00:20:02,851 --> 00:20:05,203 People are gonna really give it to us then, you know? 362 00:20:05,354 --> 00:20:07,205 Make us out to be liars. 363 00:20:16,941 --> 00:20:21,702 There is protocol when there is a high profile trial such as this one. 364 00:20:21,796 --> 00:20:24,129 The jury has a u.S. Marshal 365 00:20:24,282 --> 00:20:26,449 When they deliberate outside their door. 366 00:20:26,467 --> 00:20:29,635 It's really a very tightly controlled situation. 367 00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:32,621 Singer r. Kelly's fate is now in the hands of a jury. 368 00:20:32,715 --> 00:20:35,140 ...In the hands of a jury, who will determine his guilt or his innocence. 369 00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:37,476 Reporter: The 54-year-old is on trial for racketeering 370 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:39,862 And sex trafficking charges. 371 00:20:42,408 --> 00:20:46,727 When they went into deliberation and the first day passed, 372 00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:48,137 I was like, ( bleep ). 373 00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:49,805 "we gotta go through the weekend." 374 00:20:49,824 --> 00:20:51,474 The weekend can bring about anything, 375 00:20:51,567 --> 00:20:53,734 Because the jury wasn't sequestered. 376 00:20:53,753 --> 00:20:54,752 They get to go home. 377 00:20:54,979 --> 00:20:55,920 And so now you have 378 00:20:56,071 --> 00:20:57,313 The influences of friends. 379 00:20:57,406 --> 00:20:58,089 You have the influences of family. 380 00:20:58,316 --> 00:20:59,815 Though the law says 381 00:20:59,834 --> 00:21:01,259 You're not supposed to discuss, 382 00:21:01,486 --> 00:21:02,501 Let's just be real. 383 00:21:02,653 --> 00:21:04,077 You can watch television. 384 00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:07,673 You can be influenced by all types of things. 385 00:21:07,825 --> 00:21:12,085 I was so un-seamed. 386 00:21:12,179 --> 00:21:13,496 I'm like, "he's gonna walk. 387 00:21:13,589 --> 00:21:15,022 They gonna let him walk all over again." 388 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,838 I understood as a very young man, as a teenager, 389 00:21:22,931 --> 00:21:25,932 That society didn't believe women 390 00:21:26,027 --> 00:21:29,695 When they said that they were victims of rape and sexual violence. 391 00:21:29,847 --> 00:21:33,682 Because of #metoo, because of a public reckoning 392 00:21:33,776 --> 00:21:36,035 Of very public men, black and white, 393 00:21:36,129 --> 00:21:38,187 For me it seemed that this would be the moment 394 00:21:38,205 --> 00:21:40,298 Where we would have some real accountability. 395 00:21:50,368 --> 00:21:52,201 You know, during non-covid times, 396 00:21:52,219 --> 00:21:54,294 We would be able to look at the jurors. 397 00:21:54,388 --> 00:21:56,372 During this case, we couldn't. 398 00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:57,982 At several points during the trial, 399 00:21:58,209 --> 00:21:59,817 The jurors plugged in their headphones. 400 00:21:59,968 --> 00:22:02,302 I just remember it being very long periods of time 401 00:22:02,396 --> 00:22:04,730 Where we had no access to the evidence, 402 00:22:04,882 --> 00:22:08,475 So we were just sort of sitting in the courtroom twiddling our thumbs. 403 00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:10,719 Alanna vagianos: A big theme of this trial 404 00:22:10,738 --> 00:22:13,664 Was r. Kelly filming his sexual exploits, 405 00:22:13,816 --> 00:22:15,333 Which was very often sexual abuse. 406 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,745 So we knew that these videos were going to be likely 407 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:22,581 Him having sex or sexually assaulting many of the women 408 00:22:22,733 --> 00:22:25,250 Who had taken the stand. 409 00:22:25,403 --> 00:22:28,070 The very end of the trial when we're all waiting for a verdict, 410 00:22:28,089 --> 00:22:31,349 We finally got access to the videos. 411 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:34,910 But not the videos themselves. Only the audio from the videos. 412 00:22:35,003 --> 00:22:38,747 We were allowed to sit in one room, have it played for us, not be able to record it. 413 00:22:38,841 --> 00:22:41,417 Just be able to listen to it in that room. 414 00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:43,361 Alanna vagianos: There was maybe 30 journalists sitting in the media room, 415 00:22:43,512 --> 00:22:47,013 And we took out our laptops and started listening. 416 00:22:47,033 --> 00:22:48,757 ( no audio ) 417 00:22:48,851 --> 00:22:53,537 It is probably the most horrific video-- 418 00:22:53,764 --> 00:22:56,432 Audio of video that I've ever heard in my life. 419 00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:59,693 The redacted audio that they played for us, 420 00:22:59,787 --> 00:23:03,029 It was one of the parts that really sticks out from the trial. 421 00:23:03,124 --> 00:23:05,716 This one recording of a woman-- 422 00:23:05,868 --> 00:23:08,719 We didn't see, but it seemed like she and r. Kelly were having sex, 423 00:23:08,946 --> 00:23:12,965 And she was just repeating over and over and over 424 00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:15,951 For 20 minutes or so, 425 00:23:16,044 --> 00:23:17,544 "I'm a dumb ( bleep ) bitch, daddy, 426 00:23:17,638 --> 00:23:19,522 And I want you to fix me." 427 00:23:21,401 --> 00:23:25,461 It was forcing of sexual acts. 428 00:23:25,554 --> 00:23:30,149 It was him orchestrating literally everything 429 00:23:30,301 --> 00:23:32,743 Including their humiliation. 430 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,807 They sound so demoralized. They sound so broken. 431 00:23:38,901 --> 00:23:42,253 And I can't even imagine watching it. 432 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,664 You hear peeing sounds while frank sinatra's playing in the background-- 433 00:23:45,758 --> 00:23:47,591 "come fly with me." 434 00:23:47,743 --> 00:23:50,169 The woman says at one point, "piss everywhere. 435 00:23:50,321 --> 00:23:51,929 Get all this piss, daddy." 436 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,174 And you can hear slapping sounds which is-- ( gags ) 437 00:23:55,326 --> 00:23:56,434 Physically makes me cringe. 438 00:24:00,255 --> 00:24:04,591 And then the more graphic ones 439 00:24:04,685 --> 00:24:07,853 Included one of the jane does spreading feces on herself 440 00:24:08,005 --> 00:24:09,947 As he in the background 441 00:24:10,098 --> 00:24:12,357 Directed her as a form of punishment. 442 00:24:12,452 --> 00:24:14,935 And throughout the video you can hear the woman saying, 443 00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:16,787 "I'm sorry, daddy." 444 00:24:17,014 --> 00:24:20,607 A lot of other very, very graphic things. 445 00:24:20,701 --> 00:24:25,521 The audio was so horrifying 446 00:24:25,539 --> 00:24:29,300 That I remember a few reporters had to walk out of the room. 447 00:24:29,527 --> 00:24:32,878 The feces clip is when I walked out. 448 00:24:33,030 --> 00:24:34,713 I don't know what kind of person 449 00:24:34,865 --> 00:24:38,367 Can subject other humans to that 450 00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:42,721 Time and time again and not feel the sickness, 451 00:24:42,815 --> 00:24:47,710 The vileness that I felt in my stomach in a courtroom. 452 00:24:47,728 --> 00:24:51,137 Safe around my colleagues listening to it, 453 00:24:51,232 --> 00:24:55,326 I felt shame, I felt disgusted. 454 00:24:55,553 --> 00:24:57,578 I knew that I couldn't take any more. 455 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,649 It was while hearing one of these audio clips 456 00:25:02,668 --> 00:25:04,835 That was really, really disturbing 457 00:25:04,987 --> 00:25:07,913 That we got word that a verdict had been reached. 458 00:25:08,065 --> 00:25:11,324 So we just had to stop the audio and all run upstairs. 459 00:25:11,344 --> 00:25:14,069 It was like a stampede of reporters. 460 00:25:14,088 --> 00:25:17,756 I heard a shriek and a loud sound. 461 00:25:17,908 --> 00:25:21,018 "verdict, verdict!" 462 00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:23,929 Breaking news, it's the verdict in the r. Kelly case. 463 00:25:24,081 --> 00:25:28,341 On a Monday, which was, I believe, the 27th of September... 464 00:25:28,361 --> 00:25:30,252 I was at work, 465 00:25:30,345 --> 00:25:33,697 And I was paying attention to the news. 466 00:25:33,849 --> 00:25:38,536 The jurors have just reached a verdict in the federal trial of r&b singer r. Kelly. 467 00:25:59,875 --> 00:26:01,300 Breaking news. 468 00:26:01,452 --> 00:26:03,635 A jury in the federal trial of r. Kelly 469 00:26:03,788 --> 00:26:04,687 Has found the singer... 470 00:26:20,805 --> 00:26:22,413 Lisa van allen: I think about the 2008 trial. 471 00:26:22,564 --> 00:26:24,823 So it's still like, "it could go left. 472 00:26:24,917 --> 00:26:26,475 I hope they stop him." 473 00:26:26,493 --> 00:26:28,586 If there is a guilty verdict 474 00:26:28,737 --> 00:26:32,831 For r. Kelly, if there is non-guilty verdict, 475 00:26:32,925 --> 00:26:35,884 I'm not gonna lie, like, I'm going to cry either way. 476 00:26:38,172 --> 00:26:40,489 We're coming on the air with breaking news. 477 00:26:40,507 --> 00:26:43,175 A jury in the federal trial of r. Kelly 478 00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:45,844 Has found the singer guilty of racketeering 479 00:26:45,996 --> 00:26:48,513 Based on sexual exploitation of children, 480 00:26:48,666 --> 00:26:50,666 Kidnapping, and forced labor. 481 00:26:50,684 --> 00:26:53,259 - Guilty of racketeering. - Criminal enterprise. 482 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,112 - Charged with the mann act. - Bribery. 483 00:26:55,263 --> 00:26:56,521 - Kidnapping. - Sexual abuse. 484 00:26:56,674 --> 00:26:58,357 Sexual exploitation of a minor. 485 00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:01,343 It was tearful testimony, emotional testimony. 486 00:27:01,436 --> 00:27:06,457 ( echoing ) he is facing anywhere from ten years to life. 487 00:27:08,352 --> 00:27:11,036 I called tiffany and I couldn't stop the tears. 488 00:27:11,188 --> 00:27:12,521 I said, "they got him." 489 00:27:12,614 --> 00:27:15,132 And it was such a surreal moment. 490 00:27:15,283 --> 00:27:17,025 We were screaming through the phone. 491 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,878 I was crying. I was so happy. 492 00:27:20,030 --> 00:27:24,457 A little bit in shock, and then relief that he didn't get off. 493 00:27:24,551 --> 00:27:28,220 ( distorted ) you know, I was happy. I felt freedom. 494 00:27:28,314 --> 00:27:30,555 There were so many thoughts going through my mind. 495 00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:32,816 I just feel relieved. I feel like a huge weight 496 00:27:32,968 --> 00:27:35,152 Has been lifted off my shoulders, 497 00:27:35,303 --> 00:27:39,973 And it feels really good to know that my voice was heard 498 00:27:39,992 --> 00:27:42,384 And that I matter. 499 00:27:42,403 --> 00:27:45,053 I knew it was something to celebrate 500 00:27:45,147 --> 00:27:46,813 But it didn't feel like, you know, 501 00:27:46,907 --> 00:27:48,982 Your average celebration. 502 00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:53,170 This is somebody whose life is officially taken from him. 503 00:27:53,321 --> 00:27:56,823 Like, now it's stamped. He's done. 504 00:27:56,917 --> 00:28:01,828 This was what the women needed. It validated their stories. 505 00:28:01,922 --> 00:28:05,683 - It validated their truth. - Guilty on all nine counts. 506 00:28:05,834 --> 00:28:08,501 For my daughter, for all those women, 507 00:28:08,595 --> 00:28:10,854 Justice, justice, justice. 508 00:28:11,081 --> 00:28:14,841 I bawled. I just-- I was proud of myself. 509 00:28:14,935 --> 00:28:16,360 I was proud of the women. 510 00:28:16,587 --> 00:28:19,588 I was proud of the people that supported us, 511 00:28:19,681 --> 00:28:21,940 That gave us our voices and platforms. 512 00:28:22,034 --> 00:28:23,775 I felt relief. 513 00:28:23,928 --> 00:28:26,203 I've engaged with some of his survivors. 514 00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:28,038 This is why we have to raise our voices. 515 00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:29,873 This is why we have a #metoo movement. 516 00:28:30,025 --> 00:28:33,026 We can count on each other. That's what this says to me. 517 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,361 My daughter just hugged me and said, "mommy, you did it." 518 00:28:35,456 --> 00:28:37,530 And I just broke down in tears. 519 00:28:37,624 --> 00:28:40,792 He's been convicted. He's been convicted, all nine counts. 520 00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:43,870 It was, like, wow. 521 00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:46,631 - Justice had been served. - I couldn't think properly. 522 00:28:46,784 --> 00:28:50,561 I couldn't concentrate because it was very emotional for me. 523 00:28:50,788 --> 00:28:55,899 As far as the verdict, I really could never... 524 00:28:56,126 --> 00:28:59,719 - You can't. - ...Rejoice in seeing, um, 525 00:28:59,813 --> 00:29:01,739 A life go down like that. 526 00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:06,559 Reporter: It took the jury of seven men and five women 527 00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:08,971 Around nine hours to reach a verdict. 528 00:29:08,989 --> 00:29:11,898 To the victims in this case, 529 00:29:11,917 --> 00:29:16,253 Your voices were heard and justice was finally served. 530 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,314 He was not anticipating this verdict 531 00:29:19,407 --> 00:29:21,091 Because based on the evidence, 532 00:29:21,318 --> 00:29:23,243 Why should he anticipate this verdict? 533 00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:24,820 I talked with my cousin. 534 00:29:24,913 --> 00:29:27,765 I said, "what's going on with my brother?" 535 00:29:27,916 --> 00:29:30,492 And he said, "he was found guilty." 536 00:29:30,511 --> 00:29:32,936 I almost passed out. I almost fainted. 537 00:29:34,999 --> 00:29:37,757 R. Kelly expressed absolutely no emotion 538 00:29:37,777 --> 00:29:39,443 As the verdict was being read. 539 00:29:39,594 --> 00:29:43,855 Kelly didn't have a noticeable facial reaction. 540 00:29:44,008 --> 00:29:46,266 He didn't even seem upset as far as you could tell. 541 00:29:46,285 --> 00:29:50,345 - He was totally stone faced. - There was no hand motion. 542 00:29:50,364 --> 00:29:52,122 There was no putting his head down. There was nothing. 543 00:29:52,274 --> 00:29:54,107 He kind of just stared right ahead, 544 00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:57,610 And once it was over he walked right back to jail. 545 00:29:57,630 --> 00:29:59,871 A lot of people had doubts. I didn't. 546 00:30:00,024 --> 00:30:02,782 It wasn't like compared to the o.J. Trial. 547 00:30:02,802 --> 00:30:04,468 You know, the world was quiet. 548 00:30:04,619 --> 00:30:06,136 The people was holding their breath 549 00:30:06,288 --> 00:30:08,288 Was more of his fanbase. 550 00:30:08,382 --> 00:30:10,532 We not giving up. We not. 551 00:30:10,551 --> 00:30:13,143 I will never give up robert sylvester kelly. 552 00:30:13,295 --> 00:30:15,646 You know, when the verdict came down... 553 00:30:18,225 --> 00:30:20,876 ...I was holding it together 554 00:30:20,969 --> 00:30:24,488 Until my attorney sent me a message 555 00:30:24,639 --> 00:30:26,898 From the editor of "rolling stone," 556 00:30:27,051 --> 00:30:29,976 Jason newman, who interviewed me first. 557 00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:31,887 And so he had texted her 558 00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:34,072 And he was very emotional as well. 559 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:37,075 And I just didn't realize how impactful my story was 560 00:30:37,227 --> 00:30:40,562 From the beginning, and how people like him 561 00:30:40,581 --> 00:30:43,656 Were still emotionally attached to everything. 562 00:30:43,676 --> 00:30:45,843 Everything was going so fast, I just started thinking, 563 00:30:45,994 --> 00:30:47,235 "oh, this is just another interview. 564 00:30:47,329 --> 00:30:48,737 This person doesn't care. 565 00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:50,906 This is just exploiting our stories." 566 00:30:50,924 --> 00:30:53,183 But it became really real to me 567 00:30:53,335 --> 00:30:56,019 How many people our stories impacted. 568 00:30:57,339 --> 00:30:58,747 I remember when I first heard 569 00:30:58,765 --> 00:31:00,098 That "surviving r. Kelly" was being made, 570 00:31:00,250 --> 00:31:02,267 And my reaction was like, "whoa!" 571 00:31:02,419 --> 00:31:04,936 And then I saw that dream hampton was making it, 572 00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:07,589 And I was like, "oh, okay. I have to see this. 573 00:31:07,608 --> 00:31:09,591 This is gonna be something. This is gonna be real." 574 00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:11,426 Even though it was talking about such horrible things, 575 00:31:11,445 --> 00:31:14,779 This is actually going to move culture 576 00:31:14,932 --> 00:31:18,041 In a way that many of us hope to move culture, but we don't. 577 00:31:23,382 --> 00:31:26,291 You know, all of us followed this trial really closely, 578 00:31:26,443 --> 00:31:30,554 But, dream, I don't think we'd be where are today 579 00:31:30,781 --> 00:31:32,964 Without what you did on "surviving r. Kelly." 580 00:31:33,117 --> 00:31:34,449 I know that. 581 00:31:34,468 --> 00:31:35,634 Well, I mean, I just wanna acknowledge 582 00:31:35,786 --> 00:31:37,895 How much culture has shifted, 583 00:31:38,122 --> 00:31:40,305 How much social media, for all its sins 584 00:31:40,457 --> 00:31:43,233 And all of things that are awful about social media, 585 00:31:43,460 --> 00:31:48,797 It is incredibly democratic in that folks can self-organize, they can speak up, 586 00:31:48,890 --> 00:31:50,649 And speak back to people like r. Kelly 587 00:31:50,801 --> 00:31:52,134 And the people who enabled him. 588 00:31:52,227 --> 00:31:54,244 - Jocelyn! - All: We love you. 589 00:31:54,396 --> 00:31:56,321 - ( shouting ) - all: We love you. 590 00:31:56,415 --> 00:31:58,415 Mute r. Kelly! 591 00:31:58,566 --> 00:32:01,660 The other thing is, we were able to offer a counter-narrative 592 00:32:01,812 --> 00:32:04,646 Just by centering these women. 593 00:32:04,665 --> 00:32:06,239 You know, women who weren't famous, women who weren't rich, 594 00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:07,816 They weren't powerful. 595 00:32:07,834 --> 00:32:09,985 And we thought it was important 596 00:32:10,003 --> 00:32:11,670 To let them tell it themselves. 597 00:32:11,822 --> 00:32:13,505 Seeing them on camera, 598 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:17,993 Seeing them have to wrestle with this pain in 3-d 599 00:32:18,011 --> 00:32:20,178 Was an effective strategy. 600 00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:24,166 Does that mean that in order to get justice in the future 601 00:32:24,184 --> 00:32:26,426 We have to produce a documentary 602 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,928 And there has to be some piece of media that goes viral? 603 00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:30,839 You know, I hope not. 604 00:32:30,857 --> 00:32:35,285 When I see, you know, folks in my own community say, 605 00:32:35,437 --> 00:32:38,288 "y'all got cosby and r. Kelly, and isn't that enough?" 606 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,442 That doesn't even begin to deal with the topic 607 00:32:42,461 --> 00:32:45,921 Which is, you know, black women and abuse. 608 00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:51,860 You know what I remember thinking when I heard the verdict? 609 00:32:51,878 --> 00:32:54,137 "so that means he's not getting out of jail, right?" 610 00:32:54,364 --> 00:32:57,307 Because everything is so trippy, you know? 611 00:32:57,534 --> 00:32:59,810 Like, they tried to impeach the same person twice and nothing happened, 612 00:32:59,961 --> 00:33:02,646 So, like, you don't know what things really mean anymore. 613 00:33:02,797 --> 00:33:06,057 He's facing charges in other states. He's 54 years old. 614 00:33:06,151 --> 00:33:08,634 Do you think he spends the rest of his life in prison? 615 00:33:08,729 --> 00:33:11,637 I do. I don't think that r. Kelly will ever be a free man. 616 00:33:11,657 --> 00:33:16,809 Well, in new york alone, r. Kelly is facing is up to 100 years in prison, 617 00:33:16,829 --> 00:33:19,054 And his sentencing will take place in may. 618 00:33:19,072 --> 00:33:21,314 They're gonna take about ten years to appeal right? 619 00:33:21,408 --> 00:33:24,576 - It could, yeah. - You don't think he'll ever get out? 620 00:33:24,728 --> 00:33:27,062 No, sir. You're not gonna beat no rico charge. 621 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,414 No, that number gonna look like a bowling score. 622 00:33:29,566 --> 00:33:32,509 ( laughter ) 623 00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:34,069 W. Kamau bell: Comedy dies on the vine. 624 00:33:34,087 --> 00:33:36,513 All comedy eventually turns, you know? 625 00:33:36,664 --> 00:33:38,089 It's just the way that comedy works, 626 00:33:38,242 --> 00:33:40,575 And the best comedy is specific to its time 627 00:33:40,594 --> 00:33:42,260 That it turns very quickly. 628 00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:46,172 I can remember laughing very hard at "piss on you" 629 00:33:46,266 --> 00:33:49,768 And all the r. Kelly stuff, and also having a thought like, 630 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,770 "oh, I didn't realize it was that serious." 631 00:33:51,922 --> 00:33:53,846 Understanding that comedy can die on the vine, 632 00:33:53,866 --> 00:33:55,924 I feel like that chappelle could be like, 633 00:33:55,942 --> 00:33:58,184 "yeah, that's what we thought back then, 634 00:33:58,203 --> 00:33:59,703 And now things are different." 635 00:33:59,930 --> 00:34:01,687 Man, this is the worst time ever to be a celebrity. 636 00:34:01,707 --> 00:34:03,373 You're gonna be finished. Everyone's doomed. 637 00:34:03,525 --> 00:34:05,267 R. Kelly is different. 638 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,044 I mean, you know, if I'm a betting man, 639 00:34:07,195 --> 00:34:08,879 I'm gonna put my money on he probably did that ( bleep ). 640 00:34:12,217 --> 00:34:15,627 Let me tell you, like, I had so many different emotions. 641 00:34:15,779 --> 00:34:19,781 When they said guilty, while it meant a lot, 642 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,284 There was no finality to it. 643 00:34:22,302 --> 00:34:24,877 What happened with bill cosby's case 644 00:34:24,897 --> 00:34:26,955 Where everything was overturned, 645 00:34:26,973 --> 00:34:30,525 It ultimately isn't the end. 646 00:34:32,387 --> 00:34:34,404 Cosby's spokesman told the "new york post" 647 00:34:34,631 --> 00:34:37,315 That bill cosby thinks r. Kelly got a raw deal 648 00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:40,302 And his constitutional rights were grossly abused. 649 00:34:40,395 --> 00:34:44,581 Woman: We love you, mr. Cosby! 650 00:34:44,808 --> 00:34:46,899 We are thrilled to have mr. Cosby home. 651 00:34:46,993 --> 00:34:49,644 And if there had been a just verdict and a just sentence, 652 00:34:49,737 --> 00:34:51,663 We wouldn't be here fighting. 653 00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:55,150 A former cosby attorney who claims she's concerned 654 00:34:55,168 --> 00:34:57,243 About the damaging precedent being set 655 00:34:57,262 --> 00:35:00,488 By the federal government in charging kelly under rico 656 00:35:00,507 --> 00:35:02,933 Is gonna handle his appeals. 657 00:35:06,754 --> 00:35:09,255 I had the calls with the women 658 00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:12,500 Who were really upset about bill cosby being released 659 00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:14,778 And the charges dropped against him. 660 00:35:14,929 --> 00:35:18,115 They feel so defeated. 661 00:35:18,342 --> 00:35:21,526 And they're really worried and I'm really worried 662 00:35:21,678 --> 00:35:23,269 That the same thing could happen, you know? 663 00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:24,937 Like, "oh, okay, you didn't do that, 664 00:35:24,957 --> 00:35:26,364 So we're just gonna let you out." 665 00:35:26,516 --> 00:35:30,276 Appeals, a second federal trial, 666 00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:32,295 This is gonna go on for years. 667 00:35:34,024 --> 00:35:36,524 What he has to not just women, 668 00:35:36,543 --> 00:35:39,118 Not just kids, not just boys and girls, 669 00:35:39,212 --> 00:35:41,954 He has to destroyed them. 670 00:35:41,974 --> 00:35:44,699 And for someone to destroy someone, 671 00:35:44,718 --> 00:35:46,718 I would to be there when they read, 672 00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:49,813 "life. Life. 673 00:35:49,964 --> 00:35:51,706 Life in jail. 674 00:35:51,725 --> 00:35:53,466 Until he leaves this earth. 675 00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:54,776 Period." 676 00:36:06,072 --> 00:36:07,722 Bruce kelly: I'm yet to talk to robert. 677 00:36:07,815 --> 00:36:10,983 I've been communicating through his attorneys. 678 00:36:11,077 --> 00:36:13,395 This is what I wrote to him. 679 00:36:13,488 --> 00:36:16,247 "hello, robert. It's your brother bruce. 680 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,159 I'm so sorry I wasn't at your trial to support you. 681 00:36:20,179 --> 00:36:23,421 There is so much I wish I could talk to you about. 682 00:36:23,573 --> 00:36:27,333 I pray that god puts it in your heart 683 00:36:27,427 --> 00:36:29,744 To connect us as brothers again. 684 00:36:29,763 --> 00:36:32,247 I will forever have your back. 685 00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:35,508 Please call me when you get a chance." 686 00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:39,487 And I left my number and stuff. Yeah. 687 00:36:42,201 --> 00:36:45,760 I guess what we're witnessing what the beginning of justice looks like. 688 00:36:45,853 --> 00:36:47,370 It's been a long time coming. 689 00:36:47,597 --> 00:36:49,948 Can we focus on the fact that this happened here, 690 00:36:50,042 --> 00:36:52,542 And these black women were heard and they made history, 691 00:36:52,694 --> 00:36:55,937 And they fought no matter what they were up against? 692 00:36:56,030 --> 00:37:00,792 I wasn't prepared for the online support we got. 693 00:37:00,944 --> 00:37:04,387 At the end of the day, everybody knows someone 694 00:37:04,614 --> 00:37:09,617 That was sexually assaulted, raped, or harmed by someone. 695 00:37:09,711 --> 00:37:11,636 I don't know that I always believed 696 00:37:11,788 --> 00:37:13,379 That we would get to this moment, 697 00:37:13,398 --> 00:37:16,566 But to watch this kind of synthesis 698 00:37:16,793 --> 00:37:21,629 Of excellent documentary work, on the ground activism, 699 00:37:21,723 --> 00:37:24,816 Black women who were really vigilant 700 00:37:24,968 --> 00:37:27,802 About reporting everything single thing, 701 00:37:27,821 --> 00:37:28,970 Like, it's incredible. 702 00:37:28,989 --> 00:37:31,489 They deserve this moment. 703 00:37:31,641 --> 00:37:33,416 They deserve this moment. 704 00:37:33,643 --> 00:37:38,480 It took several exposés by seasoned journalists 705 00:37:38,498 --> 00:37:42,166 Who tied it all together, super thorough, 706 00:37:42,319 --> 00:37:43,760 So many articles over the years. 707 00:37:43,987 --> 00:37:46,671 I think the one that stands out to me the most, 708 00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:48,506 It had this amazing quote from jim derogatis 709 00:37:48,658 --> 00:37:50,325 That I will never forget. 710 00:37:50,343 --> 00:37:52,343 He says, "the thing that I learned the most 711 00:37:52,437 --> 00:37:55,605 From doing this investigation is that nobody matters less 712 00:37:55,757 --> 00:37:57,857 Than black girls. Nobody." 713 00:38:00,779 --> 00:38:05,523 Jim derogatis is a man who has reported on a story 714 00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:07,284 When no one gave a ( bleep ). 715 00:38:07,511 --> 00:38:11,103 So jim derogatis, to me, is the primary example 716 00:38:11,123 --> 00:38:14,349 Of a reporter that sticks with the story, 717 00:38:14,442 --> 00:38:15,867 Screams at it through the rooftops 718 00:38:15,961 --> 00:38:17,777 Until people finally listen, 719 00:38:17,796 --> 00:38:19,462 And his willingness to help other journalists 720 00:38:19,614 --> 00:38:22,023 Is something that is rare, and it's super admirable. 721 00:38:22,116 --> 00:38:25,451 I think this trial would never have happened without jim derogatis' work. 722 00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:30,473 It was jim derogatis' reporting that brought these crimes to the public attention. 723 00:38:30,625 --> 00:38:34,035 I knew it was always going to be a challenge for jim 724 00:38:34,128 --> 00:38:38,815 As the storyteller because he was the white guy writing about the black guy, 725 00:38:39,042 --> 00:38:43,044 And there were people who were not going to take that reporting seriously. 726 00:38:43,137 --> 00:38:47,382 I actually broke the nda when I decided to speak 727 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,901 With jim derogatis and do the buzzfeed article. 728 00:38:50,053 --> 00:38:51,386 I think the world of him. 729 00:38:51,404 --> 00:38:53,571 He shed light on something so dark, 730 00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:55,223 And he never gave up. 731 00:38:55,241 --> 00:38:58,651 This trial can speak to 732 00:38:58,745 --> 00:39:02,230 The next generation of women in saying 733 00:39:02,323 --> 00:39:06,234 There is a justice system that will believe you 734 00:39:06,252 --> 00:39:08,236 And that will hear you. 735 00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:10,996 That's like striking the lottery. 736 00:39:11,016 --> 00:39:13,741 Up until this point, I think for most people, 737 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,428 R. Kelly's victim is like a silhouette of a young girl 738 00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:20,023 On a video tape, and aaliyah, 739 00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:21,858 Who's not here to speak for herself. 740 00:39:22,085 --> 00:39:27,697 So to have such intense and insistent gaze 741 00:39:27,849 --> 00:39:30,425 On these women to hear their voices, to hear their truths, 742 00:39:30,443 --> 00:39:33,185 Really, really, I think changed everything. 743 00:39:33,279 --> 00:39:35,688 For survivors to feel heard 744 00:39:35,707 --> 00:39:39,042 Speaks to how long they had felt silenced. 745 00:39:39,193 --> 00:39:40,526 I think young black women, 746 00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:42,879 So often we are overly sexualized. 747 00:39:43,106 --> 00:39:45,607 People believe that you have some super strength. 748 00:39:45,625 --> 00:39:48,033 I know we have all these songs, "we're a survivor," 749 00:39:48,053 --> 00:39:51,054 But at the same time, we're human beings. 750 00:39:51,205 --> 00:39:53,890 I think what you've seen in the course of the last several years, 751 00:39:54,117 --> 00:39:56,559 In particularly survivors of color, 752 00:39:56,786 --> 00:40:00,730 Is an accountability not just for one person 753 00:40:00,882 --> 00:40:03,733 But for a criminal justice system that has left many behind. 754 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,551 And I think part of why it's making a difference, 755 00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:07,904 We see women that are moving up in offices 756 00:40:08,055 --> 00:40:11,149 And taking positions of power. And guess what. 757 00:40:11,243 --> 00:40:14,469 Before they got there, things like this happened to them. 758 00:40:14,562 --> 00:40:17,639 While I am deeply thankful that we live 759 00:40:17,732 --> 00:40:19,490 Or are beginning to live in a culture 760 00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:23,311 Where survivors are believed, and especially in cases 761 00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:26,589 Where there is a clear pattern of abuse, 762 00:40:26,741 --> 00:40:29,834 We expect our institutions 763 00:40:29,986 --> 00:40:32,762 To step in and to stop the harm. 764 00:40:32,914 --> 00:40:34,764 Tarana purke: This has been a very long time coming. 765 00:40:34,916 --> 00:40:39,160 This is not always the way justice will be served, 766 00:40:39,179 --> 00:40:42,254 If we can call it justice, but at least it feels like something. 767 00:40:42,274 --> 00:40:45,833 The real challenge is to make sure that everything 768 00:40:45,927 --> 00:40:48,594 That got brought into the open about r. Kelly, 769 00:40:48,688 --> 00:40:52,264 We use and continue to use that knowledge in black communities. 770 00:40:52,284 --> 00:40:54,842 If we can say 30 years from now, 771 00:40:54,861 --> 00:40:59,030 R. Kelly's going to jail opened up a wider conversation 772 00:40:59,124 --> 00:41:02,200 For us to hold more people accountable for their behavior, 773 00:41:02,294 --> 00:41:06,187 That would be a wonderful legacy to this moment. 774 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,706 I feel like the system has shown us 775 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,711 A pat on the back, yes, but it took hell to get there. 776 00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:15,138 Let's not act like, you know, 777 00:41:15,365 --> 00:41:16,881 I didn't go to the police before trial, 778 00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:18,641 You didn't go to the police before trial. 779 00:41:18,793 --> 00:41:21,460 - Yeah. - I'm not gonna say I feel like 100%-- 780 00:41:21,554 --> 00:41:24,205 Like, have we made history? 781 00:41:24,298 --> 00:41:27,058 Yes, but we still gotta, like... 782 00:41:27,210 --> 00:41:30,728 For me, I feel like it's a step in the right direction. 783 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,822 - Mm-hmm. - There's still a lot of work to be done. 784 00:41:33,049 --> 00:41:35,307 Faith rodgers: But also at the end of all this, 785 00:41:35,401 --> 00:41:37,568 Your healing should be moving on, 786 00:41:37,721 --> 00:41:39,496 And everybody's healing looks different. 787 00:41:39,647 --> 00:41:42,240 I can't go to somebody and be like, "help me heal." 788 00:41:42,334 --> 00:41:45,251 - Right. - You gotta go on that journey by yourself. 789 00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:49,731 This is a process, 790 00:41:49,824 --> 00:41:51,749 And I think for a number of survivors, 791 00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:53,510 It may be a lifelong journey. 792 00:41:57,832 --> 00:42:00,683 Michelle kramer: The first few months, it was very difficult. 793 00:42:00,835 --> 00:42:04,095 My daughter wasn't sleeping. I wasn't sleeping. 794 00:42:04,247 --> 00:42:07,357 I was watching her all over again like a newborn baby. 795 00:42:07,584 --> 00:42:10,009 She get up in the middle of the night, I'm getting up in the middle of the night. 796 00:42:10,028 --> 00:42:13,437 So it was very difficult until we both agreed 797 00:42:13,532 --> 00:42:16,366 That counseling is the answer. 798 00:42:16,593 --> 00:42:20,352 And she's still healing, and I'm still healing too. 799 00:42:20,446 --> 00:42:24,115 Dominique gardner: This is what living is supposed to be like. 800 00:42:24,267 --> 00:42:27,118 I'm five months pregnant, and it's a girl. 801 00:42:27,212 --> 00:42:30,788 I was praying for boy, but I was blessed with a girl. 802 00:42:30,882 --> 00:42:33,791 Michelle kramer: Now dominique has a daughter, 803 00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:37,128 Which, I'm so sorry, we've been saying dominique this whole time, 804 00:42:37,222 --> 00:42:40,131 And it's not dominique anymore. She goes by sharday. 805 00:42:40,225 --> 00:42:42,725 She is happily married now. 806 00:42:42,952 --> 00:42:45,210 I knew that she was gonna get happiness. 807 00:42:45,305 --> 00:42:47,379 Everything is worth a heartache 808 00:42:47,399 --> 00:42:50,066 Because it's always going to be-- 809 00:42:50,293 --> 00:42:53,552 As I always say, "you're gonna smile at the end." 810 00:42:53,572 --> 00:42:55,129 Mark it. 811 00:42:55,222 --> 00:42:56,981 Producer: Tell me your name. 812 00:42:57,075 --> 00:42:59,150 My name is jovante cunningham. 813 00:42:59,244 --> 00:43:02,728 Healing for me? The first step was admitting what happened. 814 00:43:02,822 --> 00:43:07,584 The second step was getting in a headspace that was healthy for me, 815 00:43:07,811 --> 00:43:11,813 Getting the ideology of shame off of my back. 816 00:43:11,831 --> 00:43:13,923 And now I'm in therapy. 817 00:43:14,075 --> 00:43:15,983 Producer: Ready? 818 00:43:16,002 --> 00:43:17,743 ♪ sometimes your life feels like ♪ 819 00:43:17,762 --> 00:43:21,097 ♪ a broken rollercoaster ♪ 820 00:43:21,324 --> 00:43:26,269 ♪ a thousand useless moving parts ♪ 821 00:43:26,496 --> 00:43:29,330 I just want to throw myself into helping others. 822 00:43:29,423 --> 00:43:31,666 That's what I see healing for me as. 823 00:43:31,759 --> 00:43:33,610 Ebonié doyle: It's all about loving yourself. 824 00:43:33,761 --> 00:43:37,839 This is my way of freeing myself from this situation 825 00:43:37,857 --> 00:43:40,842 That I have suppressed for so many years. 826 00:43:40,935 --> 00:43:44,028 Kitti jones: The therapy that I went through journaling everything, 827 00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:47,698 Just caring about myself more, surrounding myself with love. 828 00:43:47,851 --> 00:43:50,126 You know, I deserve to feel good. 829 00:43:50,277 --> 00:43:52,703 Lisa van allen: I've been writing a couple of children's books 830 00:43:52,797 --> 00:43:55,022 About the proper way to say no 831 00:43:55,041 --> 00:43:57,041 If you don't agree with the way someone touches you. 832 00:43:57,135 --> 00:43:59,118 My dad used to associate 833 00:43:59,137 --> 00:44:01,212 Mental health with, "ahh, that's the demon." 834 00:44:01,306 --> 00:44:02,880 Now he understands 835 00:44:03,032 --> 00:44:06,884 Why I have anxiety, so for that I'm thankful. 836 00:44:06,978 --> 00:44:09,387 I can finally exhale, 837 00:44:09,481 --> 00:44:11,873 And I am extremely happy 838 00:44:11,966 --> 00:44:14,542 That I can finally close this chapter. 839 00:44:14,635 --> 00:44:16,727 I found me a therapist. I met with her 840 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,562 Three times a week. 841 00:44:18,715 --> 00:44:21,807 So I'm taking the steps to do what I need 842 00:44:21,901 --> 00:44:24,309 To support my mental health. 843 00:44:24,329 --> 00:44:26,721 And now I'm a nurse and I'm a nurse educator. 844 00:44:26,739 --> 00:44:28,147 ♪ look up ♪ 845 00:44:28,241 --> 00:44:31,893 ♪ do you see the sunlight? ♪ 846 00:44:31,911 --> 00:44:33,728 ♪ look up ♪ 847 00:44:33,821 --> 00:44:37,081 ♪ there's flowers in your hair ♪ 848 00:44:37,175 --> 00:44:38,991 ♪ hold on ♪ 849 00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:42,679 ♪ 'cause somebody loves you ♪ 850 00:44:42,906 --> 00:44:45,573 ♪ you know trouble's always gonna be there ♪ 851 00:44:45,591 --> 00:44:48,500 ♪ look up ♪ 852 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,912 ♪ don't let it bring you to your knees ♪ 853 00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:52,021 ♪ look up ♪ 854 00:45:02,516 --> 00:45:07,445 When they found him guilty, I was like, "is this real?" 855 00:45:07,597 --> 00:45:11,374 He's gotta know that he's wrong, 856 00:45:11,601 --> 00:45:14,952 And I don't think that that's set in yet, 857 00:45:15,046 --> 00:45:18,214 That he's actually getting ready to pay the price 858 00:45:18,441 --> 00:45:22,626 For doing all of these things that he's done 859 00:45:22,779 --> 00:45:24,512 Because it's not his reality yet. 860 00:45:31,212 --> 00:45:32,562 Julia reinstein: It's June 29th, 861 00:45:32,713 --> 00:45:34,472 And r. Kelly is getting sentenced. 862 00:45:34,624 --> 00:45:37,883 Free r. Kelly! Free r.Kelly! 863 00:45:37,902 --> 00:45:40,903 What we want? Justice! 864 00:45:41,130 --> 00:45:46,558 Federal prosecutors, they've asked for over 25 years in prison for r. Kelly. 865 00:45:46,578 --> 00:45:50,913 This is a really big day for all the many, many people 866 00:45:51,140 --> 00:45:53,232 That r. Kelly has hurt for so many years. 867 00:45:53,251 --> 00:45:55,326 It's a really pivotal moment in this case, 868 00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:57,712 A case that's stretched for decades at this point. 869 00:46:05,597 --> 00:46:09,265 Kelly faces a second federal trial 870 00:46:09,416 --> 00:46:10,433 By the northern district of illinois. 871 00:46:13,830 --> 00:46:17,422 Then there would be the cook county state's attorney trial, 872 00:46:17,517 --> 00:46:18,566 The state of illinois. 873 00:46:21,671 --> 00:46:25,114 After that, there is still a criminal case pending, 874 00:46:25,266 --> 00:46:27,116 Minnesota state charges. 875 00:46:30,346 --> 00:46:32,029 Oronike odeleye: The future of #muterkelly 876 00:46:32,181 --> 00:46:34,123 Is gonna be keeping an eye on these trials 877 00:46:34,275 --> 00:46:35,850 And keeping that conversation going. 878 00:46:35,868 --> 00:46:37,609 We want people paying attention. 879 00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:40,354 We want them dialed in so that they can really see 880 00:46:40,447 --> 00:46:43,758 What a blueprint for justice looks like. 881 00:46:47,472 --> 00:46:48,954 Jovante cunningham: There's certain individuals 882 00:46:48,973 --> 00:46:51,307 That definitely knew what was going on. 883 00:46:51,458 --> 00:46:55,536 Some people knew he had an insatiable taste for young girls. 884 00:46:55,629 --> 00:46:58,463 It's layers. It's a building. 885 00:46:58,558 --> 00:47:00,558 It's the accountants, it's the lawyers, it's the managers. 886 00:47:00,710 --> 00:47:03,060 It's these people that knew, 887 00:47:03,154 --> 00:47:05,563 And because they wanted to continue to profit, 888 00:47:05,715 --> 00:47:09,050 Literally fed his addiction, 889 00:47:09,068 --> 00:47:11,735 Didn't get him the proper counseling, told him it was okay. 890 00:47:11,888 --> 00:47:14,146 Sometimes it was bringing the girls down there themselves. 891 00:47:14,165 --> 00:47:16,724 So is there an enterprise? Absolutely. 892 00:47:16,742 --> 00:47:22,413 What you see now is the evidence of that. 893 00:47:22,507 --> 00:47:25,066 Justice for me would be getting all that ass. 894 00:47:25,084 --> 00:47:27,343 All that ass. Yeah, I said it. 895 00:47:27,494 --> 00:47:28,678 All that ass. 896 00:47:30,756 --> 00:47:32,406 Every last one of them, 897 00:47:32,499 --> 00:47:36,185 And it goes back 30 freaking years. 898 00:47:59,268 --> 00:48:00,710 Jim derogatis: The young girl on the tape, 899 00:48:00,937 --> 00:48:04,029 She testified that he sexually abused her 900 00:48:04,048 --> 00:48:05,530 Hundreds of times, 901 00:48:05,550 --> 00:48:08,217 Starting at age 14. 902 00:48:08,444 --> 00:48:12,947 In testimony yesterday, jane publically admitting 903 00:48:12,965 --> 00:48:15,224 That she was the girl in the video, 904 00:48:15,451 --> 00:48:17,393 In that r. Kelly video you may remember 905 00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:20,804 From the 2008 trial at cook county. 906 00:48:20,899 --> 00:48:23,399 The woman at the center of that footage testified, 907 00:48:23,626 --> 00:48:26,861 "I became exhausted with living with these lies." 908 00:48:28,314 --> 00:48:31,056 I found the girl from the tapes' ig page. 909 00:48:31,075 --> 00:48:32,074 I reached out to her. 910 00:48:32,226 --> 00:48:33,910 I wanted to let her know 911 00:48:34,137 --> 00:48:37,138 That it was not our fault, we were young, 912 00:48:37,156 --> 00:48:40,082 And to let her know that if she needed someone to talk to, 913 00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:41,208 I was there. 914 00:49:14,619 --> 00:49:18,846 I hope that the victims, those involved in the trial, 915 00:49:18,864 --> 00:49:22,183 And the many who never have come public, 916 00:49:22,201 --> 00:49:24,185 I hope they realize speaking out 917 00:49:24,203 --> 00:49:26,203 And telling the truth was not in vain. 918 00:49:26,355 --> 00:49:29,781 How many of these stories are not being told? 919 00:49:29,801 --> 00:49:34,195 You know, how many other r. Kelly-type sagas 920 00:49:34,288 --> 00:49:36,138 Have been out there for decades? 921 00:49:36,290 --> 00:49:39,717 I do think kelly will singularly go down 922 00:49:39,869 --> 00:49:42,036 In the history of popular music 923 00:49:42,054 --> 00:49:45,982 As the worst criminal predator ever.