1 00:00:04,395 --> 00:00:07,007 ♪ 2 00:00:20,759 --> 00:00:23,066 TIA: I was the first girl, 3 00:00:23,197 --> 00:00:26,678 and nobody believed me. 4 00:00:26,809 --> 00:00:29,203 And after that, it continued to happen again... 5 00:00:29,333 --> 00:00:31,640 [sniffling] 6 00:00:31,770 --> 00:00:35,383 ...and again 7 00:00:35,513 --> 00:00:37,341 and again. 8 00:00:37,472 --> 00:00:39,822 ♪ 9 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:55,229 JOVANTE: We're grown girls, 10 00:00:55,359 --> 00:00:57,753 but we're still little girls that cry silently. 11 00:00:57,883 --> 00:01:00,843 If you weren't there, 12 00:01:00,973 --> 00:01:05,195 you'll never understand it. 13 00:01:05,326 --> 00:01:07,241 ♪ 14 00:01:11,767 --> 00:01:14,074 [cheering] 15 00:01:35,399 --> 00:01:38,098 -Robert, how do you feel? -Was it you on the tape? 16 00:01:38,228 --> 00:01:40,361 -WOMAN: 14 years old. -WOMAN 2: I met R. Kelly when I was 14. 17 00:01:40,491 --> 00:01:42,058 -WOMAN 3: When I met him, I was 17. -WOMAN 4: 15. 18 00:01:42,189 --> 00:01:43,451 A lot of people saw that pee tape. 19 00:01:43,581 --> 00:01:44,887 It was circulating in the streets. 20 00:01:45,017 --> 00:01:47,107 She was actually 14. 21 00:01:47,237 --> 00:01:49,500 ODELEYE: And he's urinating on her, in her mouth. 22 00:01:49,631 --> 00:01:52,242 REPORTER: Jurors found him not guilty on all charges. 23 00:01:52,373 --> 00:01:54,549 ODELEYE: He was not thought of as guilty, 24 00:01:54,679 --> 00:01:56,420 even though the evidence was there. 25 00:01:56,551 --> 00:01:58,161 TOURE: After R. Kelly got off trial, 26 00:01:58,292 --> 00:01:59,162 I do the interview. 27 00:01:59,293 --> 00:02:01,512 He was very nervous. 28 00:02:01,643 --> 00:02:04,994 Do you like teenage girls? 29 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:07,127 When you say "teenage," 30 00:02:07,257 --> 00:02:09,303 h-how old are we talking? 31 00:02:09,433 --> 00:02:11,218 STEPHANIE GOSK: Singer R. Kelly has denied 32 00:02:11,348 --> 00:02:13,655 repeated claims of sexual misconduct, 33 00:02:13,785 --> 00:02:16,179 but now some of his alleged victims are speaking out 34 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:18,312 in a powerful new docuseries. 35 00:02:18,442 --> 00:02:20,575 REPORTER 2: #SurvivingRKelly was trending 36 00:02:20,705 --> 00:02:23,186 at number one on Twitter during its debut. 37 00:02:23,317 --> 00:02:24,970 The whole thing was eye-opening, 38 00:02:25,101 --> 00:02:26,842 painful, sad, disappointing. 39 00:02:26,972 --> 00:02:30,498 Man, how complicit we all have been. 40 00:02:30,628 --> 00:02:33,501 I was extremely moved by that whole show. 41 00:02:33,631 --> 00:02:35,372 It was-it was very heavy for me. 42 00:02:35,503 --> 00:02:36,852 My only question is, 43 00:02:36,982 --> 00:02:38,288 as we're being so judgmental, we're not saying, 44 00:02:38,419 --> 00:02:39,985 "Yo, that man is sick. -That man needs help. 45 00:02:40,116 --> 00:02:41,596 That man need..." -Nobody gives a [bleep] about that. 46 00:02:41,726 --> 00:02:44,164 If that was your daughter, that [bleep] not sick, he's dead. 47 00:02:44,294 --> 00:02:45,817 We can talk about the cycle of abuse, 48 00:02:45,948 --> 00:02:47,819 but we also have to talk about accountability 49 00:02:47,950 --> 00:02:49,125 and the ways in which America has not held 50 00:02:49,256 --> 00:02:51,127 abusers accountable. 51 00:02:51,258 --> 00:02:53,956 Within days, Kim Foxx, the state attorney, 52 00:02:54,086 --> 00:02:56,219 -holds a press conference. -The recent allegations 53 00:02:56,350 --> 00:02:58,265 against entertainer R. Kelly 54 00:02:58,395 --> 00:03:00,789 in the recent Lifetime docuseries 55 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,921 are deeply, deeply disturbing. 56 00:03:03,052 --> 00:03:05,794 Victims of sexual assault, 57 00:03:05,924 --> 00:03:08,362 please come forward. 58 00:03:08,492 --> 00:03:10,364 Two days after the documentary airs, 59 00:03:10,494 --> 00:03:12,583 he's celebrating at a nightclub. 60 00:03:12,714 --> 00:03:14,890 Hey, y'all [bleep] don't know. 61 00:03:15,020 --> 00:03:16,587 It's my [bleep] birthday, and I don't give a [bleep] 62 00:03:16,718 --> 00:03:18,154 -what's going on tonight. -[cheering] 63 00:03:18,285 --> 00:03:20,417 ODELEYE: RCA dropping him from the label. 64 00:03:20,548 --> 00:03:22,680 Everything in that documentary was a rehash 65 00:03:22,811 --> 00:03:24,900 of things they've known for years, 66 00:03:25,030 --> 00:03:26,684 and everybody rejected it. 67 00:03:26,815 --> 00:03:28,208 REPORTER 3: R. Kelly turned himself in 68 00:03:28,338 --> 00:03:29,992 to Chicago police Friday night. 69 00:03:30,122 --> 00:03:34,344 He is being charged with ten counts of felony sexual abuse. 70 00:03:34,475 --> 00:03:36,825 REPORTER 4: Prosecutors say three of the four alleged victims 71 00:03:36,955 --> 00:03:38,087 were underage. 72 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:40,045 He's pleaded not guilty. 73 00:03:40,176 --> 00:03:42,613 JERHONDA: I was a part of a suicide pact. 74 00:03:42,744 --> 00:03:44,920 If he was to go to jail, 75 00:03:45,050 --> 00:03:46,356 I was supposed to kill myself. 76 00:03:51,187 --> 00:03:52,536 REPORTER 3: The new charges against Kelly came 77 00:03:52,667 --> 00:03:54,973 after a video surfaced reportedly showing Kelly 78 00:03:55,104 --> 00:03:58,977 having sex with a girl who was 14 years old at the time. 79 00:03:59,108 --> 00:04:01,066 DeROGATIS: The trial in 2008 was reduced 80 00:04:01,197 --> 00:04:03,330 to one girl on one videotape. 81 00:04:03,460 --> 00:04:05,549 But there always was talk of other tapes. 82 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,551 Earlier today, 83 00:04:07,682 --> 00:04:11,990 we handed over a second videotape to prosecutors. 84 00:04:12,121 --> 00:04:14,428 There are multiple tapes, multiple jurisdictions, 85 00:04:14,558 --> 00:04:16,604 and the victim is cooperating with authorities. 86 00:04:16,734 --> 00:04:18,214 It's game, set, match. 87 00:04:18,345 --> 00:04:20,738 -[siren wails] -FAITH: At the premiere, 88 00:04:20,869 --> 00:04:22,087 somebody had called in a gun threat. 89 00:04:22,218 --> 00:04:23,698 ASANTE: People started 90 00:04:23,828 --> 00:04:26,222 DMing me and say, "Count your days." 91 00:04:26,353 --> 00:04:27,484 TIMOTHY SAVAGE: His manager threatened 92 00:04:27,615 --> 00:04:30,139 to kill my whole entire family. 93 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:32,968 This is intimidation and retaliation. 94 00:04:33,098 --> 00:04:34,143 ♪ 95 00:04:34,274 --> 00:04:35,405 SEGAR: R. Kelly believes 96 00:04:35,536 --> 00:04:36,493 he can fly 97 00:04:36,624 --> 00:04:38,278 and that he's untouchable. 98 00:04:38,408 --> 00:04:40,192 -WOMAN: Shame on you! -PROTESTORS: Shame on you! 99 00:04:40,323 --> 00:04:42,064 -WOMAN: Shame on you! -Shame on you! 100 00:04:42,194 --> 00:04:44,153 Mute R. Kelly! 101 00:04:44,284 --> 00:04:46,242 PROTESTORS: Mute R. Kelly! 102 00:04:46,373 --> 00:04:48,288 REPORTER 5: R. Kelly has been arrested 103 00:04:48,418 --> 00:04:50,072 on sex trafficking charges. 104 00:04:50,202 --> 00:04:51,856 MAN: Free R. Kelly! 105 00:04:51,987 --> 00:04:53,118 Anybody who goes against him, 106 00:04:53,249 --> 00:04:54,381 they go against you. 107 00:04:54,511 --> 00:04:55,556 JONJELYN: I think the interview 108 00:04:55,686 --> 00:04:58,646 with Gayle King showed how he really is. 109 00:04:58,776 --> 00:05:00,343 You're killing me with this [bleep]! 110 00:05:00,474 --> 00:05:01,953 30 years of my career! 111 00:05:02,084 --> 00:05:03,955 ♪ 112 00:05:07,524 --> 00:05:10,135 -MAN: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. -R. KELLY: You understand me? 113 00:05:10,266 --> 00:05:11,528 I got a million [bleep] hating me 114 00:05:11,659 --> 00:05:13,748 and 40 billion [bleep] loving me. 115 00:05:13,878 --> 00:05:15,619 -MAN 2: That's right. -You know what I'm saying? 116 00:05:15,750 --> 00:05:17,752 I am handcuffed, like a lot of you [bleep], 117 00:05:17,882 --> 00:05:19,710 I'm handcuffed by my destiny. 118 00:05:19,841 --> 00:05:23,584 ♪ 119 00:05:23,714 --> 00:05:26,978 It's too late. They should've did this [bleep] 30 years ago. 120 00:05:29,807 --> 00:05:30,634 It's too late. 121 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,467 ♪ 122 00:05:43,778 --> 00:05:45,432 [lock buzzes] 123 00:06:03,145 --> 00:06:07,105 BRUCE: I know my mama is turning over in her grave. 124 00:06:07,236 --> 00:06:09,194 I, uh... 125 00:06:11,545 --> 00:06:14,330 All I care about is my brother. 126 00:06:18,465 --> 00:06:21,729 I love you, Rob. 127 00:06:21,859 --> 00:06:23,687 Me and Robert, we done been through a lot of things 128 00:06:23,818 --> 00:06:24,906 in our life. 129 00:06:25,036 --> 00:06:27,561 He's still my brother. 130 00:06:27,691 --> 00:06:28,823 Robert can't handle this. 131 00:06:28,953 --> 00:06:30,651 He just can't. 132 00:06:30,781 --> 00:06:33,001 He can't handle... he can't handle this kind of stuff. 133 00:06:33,131 --> 00:06:37,222 Robert is used to hiding with his music. 134 00:06:37,353 --> 00:06:40,574 But there's no music to hide with now. 135 00:06:40,704 --> 00:06:43,446 He can't get to no music now. 136 00:06:43,577 --> 00:06:45,405 To come from nothing, 137 00:06:45,535 --> 00:06:47,537 nothing, 138 00:06:47,668 --> 00:06:51,149 and achieve world acclaim 139 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,630 as a status, 140 00:06:53,761 --> 00:06:57,373 to go full circle, to come to nothing, 141 00:06:57,504 --> 00:07:01,072 that's got to be... 142 00:07:01,203 --> 00:07:04,772 the most horrible thing 143 00:07:04,902 --> 00:07:07,818 anybody could endure. 144 00:07:07,949 --> 00:07:10,168 Especially to come from nothing. 145 00:07:14,695 --> 00:07:17,872 When we moved from the project in the South Side of Chicago, 146 00:07:18,002 --> 00:07:21,484 we moved to 463 East 40th St. 147 00:07:23,704 --> 00:07:24,792 Our entire family 148 00:07:24,922 --> 00:07:26,620 lived in that one building. 149 00:07:26,750 --> 00:07:29,361 My mom, grandmother, 150 00:07:29,492 --> 00:07:31,451 great-grandmother, cousins, 151 00:07:31,581 --> 00:07:33,278 sister, us brothers-- 152 00:07:33,409 --> 00:07:35,716 all in this one house. 153 00:07:35,846 --> 00:07:38,501 That address 154 00:07:38,632 --> 00:07:42,026 was really significant in all our lives. 155 00:07:42,157 --> 00:07:43,680 [children chattering] 156 00:07:43,811 --> 00:07:46,117 CAREY: Growing up, as kids, Robert was timid. 157 00:07:46,248 --> 00:07:48,772 He was always scared. 158 00:07:48,903 --> 00:07:50,861 The kids in the neighborhood didn't know Robert. 159 00:07:50,992 --> 00:07:52,907 They only knew me and Bruce, 160 00:07:53,037 --> 00:07:54,822 um, because we was out there playing. 161 00:07:54,952 --> 00:07:56,824 And he didn't come outside. 162 00:07:56,954 --> 00:07:59,827 He stayed in the house and played with his keyboard. 163 00:07:59,957 --> 00:08:01,350 Bruce was the oldest brother, so... 164 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:03,439 Bruce was the protector. 165 00:08:03,570 --> 00:08:07,225 He was always looking out for Robert. 166 00:08:07,356 --> 00:08:10,315 This place is where we could really remember our childhood, 167 00:08:10,446 --> 00:08:12,187 where we flourished at. 168 00:08:12,317 --> 00:08:13,797 We formed a band. 169 00:08:13,928 --> 00:08:16,713 We kids though. We just kids. 170 00:08:16,844 --> 00:08:19,237 CAREY: Our mama gave us instruments for Christmas. 171 00:08:19,368 --> 00:08:21,326 So, once I picked up the drum set 172 00:08:21,457 --> 00:08:23,285 and I'm making noise, and my older brother, 173 00:08:23,415 --> 00:08:26,288 Bruce, he start playing the bass guitar. 174 00:08:26,418 --> 00:08:28,246 And we was all self-taught. We never went... 175 00:08:28,377 --> 00:08:30,031 took classes or anything for this. 176 00:08:30,161 --> 00:08:31,989 And my mama was a great, 177 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,251 phenomenal singer. 178 00:08:33,382 --> 00:08:36,559 That's where Robert get the voice from. 179 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:40,563 The moment that he opened his mouth and sang, 180 00:08:40,694 --> 00:08:43,523 we all knew that he was special. 181 00:08:43,653 --> 00:08:48,005 And we're looking at this frail-bodied kid, 182 00:08:48,136 --> 00:08:50,834 like, "Where's that voice coming from?" 183 00:08:50,965 --> 00:08:52,532 We doing all these songs and stuff. 184 00:08:52,662 --> 00:08:53,794 We doing these at school. 185 00:08:53,924 --> 00:08:56,231 We doing 'em on the back porch. 186 00:08:56,361 --> 00:08:59,364 And they marveling at us. 187 00:08:59,495 --> 00:09:01,497 You know? 188 00:09:01,628 --> 00:09:04,282 That building where we practiced at-- 189 00:09:04,413 --> 00:09:06,371 there was a man living on the third floor. 190 00:09:06,502 --> 00:09:08,243 His name was Eli Henry. 191 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:14,205 He had to be 60-something years old then. 192 00:09:14,336 --> 00:09:17,426 CAREY: Mr. Henry was the neighborhood uncle. 193 00:09:17,557 --> 00:09:19,689 Everybody loved him and looked up to him, you know? 194 00:09:19,820 --> 00:09:22,083 And he used to go to the f... to the farm. 195 00:09:22,213 --> 00:09:24,694 He would go out to... way out to the farm and get apples 196 00:09:24,825 --> 00:09:26,435 and oranges and cherries 197 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:29,220 and bananas and things like that 198 00:09:29,351 --> 00:09:31,875 and bring it back to, you know, the-the neighborhood and stuff. 199 00:09:32,006 --> 00:09:34,530 So we just thought he was a cool old man. 200 00:09:34,661 --> 00:09:35,575 Nice guy. 201 00:09:38,229 --> 00:09:39,840 BRUCE: And then he started 202 00:09:39,970 --> 00:09:42,451 buying usstuff. 203 00:09:42,582 --> 00:09:45,715 You know what I'm saying? Buying us things and stuff. 204 00:09:45,846 --> 00:09:48,762 You know, back then, 205 00:09:48,892 --> 00:09:51,155 I didn't think about it, 206 00:09:51,286 --> 00:09:52,983 because I was a child. 207 00:09:57,858 --> 00:09:59,773 There's no demographic that you can name 208 00:09:59,903 --> 00:10:02,297 that has not been touched by sexual violence. 209 00:10:02,427 --> 00:10:04,516 And people don't realize that the relationship 210 00:10:04,647 --> 00:10:06,649 between perpetrator and survivor 211 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:08,477 is a-is a tricky one, oftentimes. 212 00:10:08,608 --> 00:10:11,567 'Cause most people know their perpetrators, right? 213 00:10:11,698 --> 00:10:13,830 And so we make a decision about our personal safety, 214 00:10:13,961 --> 00:10:16,267 to put our personal safety in jeopardy 215 00:10:16,398 --> 00:10:19,662 for the safety of these men. 216 00:10:19,793 --> 00:10:22,230 There was ugliness, there was pain, 217 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,886 there was sexual abuse in Kelly's upbringing, 218 00:10:26,016 --> 00:10:29,672 starting at age eight through age 14. 219 00:10:29,803 --> 00:10:32,370 It was either a friend of the family or somebody... 220 00:10:32,501 --> 00:10:35,156 A "play uncle" is how it was described to me. 221 00:10:35,286 --> 00:10:37,158 I have empathy. 222 00:10:37,288 --> 00:10:39,682 I think everybody would. 223 00:10:39,813 --> 00:10:41,771 In 19 years of reporting this story 224 00:10:41,902 --> 00:10:44,513 at the Chicago Sun-Times and then at BuzzFeed 225 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:46,471 and then at The New Yorker, 226 00:10:46,602 --> 00:10:47,734 and everybody I've interviewed 227 00:10:47,864 --> 00:10:50,258 who knows about sexual abuse says, 228 00:10:50,388 --> 00:10:54,044 often, the victim becomes the defender of other victims. 229 00:10:54,175 --> 00:10:55,742 Most often. 230 00:10:55,872 --> 00:10:57,526 And, occasionally, 231 00:10:57,657 --> 00:11:01,399 the victim becomes a victimizer. 232 00:11:01,530 --> 00:11:03,967 Is that what happened with Kelly? 233 00:11:05,490 --> 00:11:06,840 CAREY: Robert knew Mr. Henry 234 00:11:06,970 --> 00:11:09,103 before me and Bruce did. 235 00:11:09,233 --> 00:11:11,801 And one day, me, Bruce and Robert, 236 00:11:11,932 --> 00:11:13,716 we went over his house 237 00:11:13,847 --> 00:11:15,326 and we sitting there. 238 00:11:15,457 --> 00:11:16,850 And we said, 239 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:18,155 "Mr. Henry, why you ain't got... 240 00:11:18,286 --> 00:11:20,723 You-you gonna put your clothes on, Mr. Henry?" 241 00:11:20,854 --> 00:11:24,858 He-he was in his-in his, like, boxers or whatever. 242 00:11:24,988 --> 00:11:26,903 But when he turned around, 243 00:11:27,034 --> 00:11:29,558 he had pulled his-his private part 244 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:32,300 out of his underwear 245 00:11:32,430 --> 00:11:34,998 and was holding it in his hand. 246 00:11:36,826 --> 00:11:38,785 Me, Bruce and Robert ran over each other 247 00:11:38,915 --> 00:11:40,743 trying to get out the house. 248 00:11:40,874 --> 00:11:44,181 I'm running, Robert grabbing me, pulling me back, 249 00:11:44,312 --> 00:11:45,705 and I'm grabbing him pulling him back. 250 00:11:45,835 --> 00:11:48,577 Bruce grab... We was, I mean, we literally 251 00:11:48,708 --> 00:11:50,927 fought for our lives to get out that house. 252 00:11:51,058 --> 00:11:53,016 And we could hear Mr. Henry, 253 00:11:53,147 --> 00:11:54,757 "Don't tell nobody." 254 00:11:54,888 --> 00:11:56,977 "Don't tell nobody." 255 00:11:59,109 --> 00:12:01,938 He did identify the man that abused him. 256 00:12:02,069 --> 00:12:04,941 He said, I was so afraid 'cause I was so little. 257 00:12:05,072 --> 00:12:07,639 He would take me out in the field and he told me, 258 00:12:07,770 --> 00:12:09,729 "Robert, you can't tell anybody. 259 00:12:09,859 --> 00:12:12,035 Otherwise I'm a cooked goose." 260 00:12:12,166 --> 00:12:13,950 It was so heartbreaking because you're hearing 261 00:12:14,081 --> 00:12:16,823 a grown man speak as if 262 00:12:16,953 --> 00:12:20,609 he was still six, seven, eight years old. 263 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:23,264 BRUCE: One day Robert ran home. 264 00:12:23,394 --> 00:12:26,397 Mr. Henry had Robert come upstairs and he, uh, 265 00:12:26,528 --> 00:12:30,793 he-he tried some inappropriate things with Robert. 266 00:12:30,924 --> 00:12:33,535 Okay. My mother called the police. 267 00:12:33,665 --> 00:12:37,191 CAREY: The police came through 268 00:12:37,321 --> 00:12:39,367 and there's a lot of guys in the neighborhood 269 00:12:39,497 --> 00:12:41,586 and they end up jumping Mr. Henry, beating him, 270 00:12:41,717 --> 00:12:43,240 beating him till blood came everywhere 271 00:12:43,371 --> 00:12:44,676 until the police got there. 272 00:12:44,807 --> 00:12:46,156 When the police got there, 273 00:12:46,287 --> 00:12:48,376 they act like that they wasn't even there. 274 00:12:48,506 --> 00:12:50,204 They just turned their back 275 00:12:50,334 --> 00:12:51,727 and let the guys finish beating him 276 00:12:51,858 --> 00:12:53,163 before they took him off to jail. 277 00:12:53,294 --> 00:12:54,425 I'll never forget that. 278 00:12:56,906 --> 00:12:59,648 Mr. Henry bonded out 279 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:02,956 and was able to bribe my mom. 280 00:13:03,086 --> 00:13:05,480 Gave my mom $5,000 281 00:13:05,610 --> 00:13:08,352 for her not to come to court. 282 00:13:08,483 --> 00:13:10,659 And she didn't come to court. 283 00:13:13,749 --> 00:13:15,272 I don't have any ill will 284 00:13:15,403 --> 00:13:19,581 for my mom because I know she was struggling, but 285 00:13:19,711 --> 00:13:20,930 if it had been my child... 286 00:13:26,153 --> 00:13:27,850 I don't think no amount of money, 287 00:13:27,981 --> 00:13:29,547 no amount of money 288 00:13:29,678 --> 00:13:33,290 would've made me not prosecute that dude. 289 00:13:33,421 --> 00:13:34,944 Simple and plain. 290 00:13:39,775 --> 00:13:42,038 I probably would've had to prosecute him 291 00:13:42,169 --> 00:13:44,954 to get him off the streets so I couldn't get to him. 292 00:13:45,085 --> 00:13:46,521 You do something like that to my child. 293 00:13:50,481 --> 00:13:52,657 For years and years, 294 00:13:52,788 --> 00:13:56,400 I thought that I was dreaming. 295 00:13:56,531 --> 00:13:58,881 My brother Carey started saying things, 296 00:13:59,012 --> 00:14:01,666 and then Robert starts saying things. 297 00:14:01,797 --> 00:14:04,191 He starts saying things in his song. 298 00:14:04,321 --> 00:14:07,585 Um... "I Admit." 299 00:14:07,716 --> 00:14:09,587 ♪ I admit a family member touched me♪ 300 00:14:09,718 --> 00:14:11,459 ♪ From a child to the age 14.♪ 301 00:14:13,330 --> 00:14:17,900 He says I admit that he'd been touched till he was 14. 302 00:14:18,031 --> 00:14:22,557 Mr. Henry was like, that's one thing. 303 00:14:22,687 --> 00:14:25,473 That's one thing, but... 304 00:14:25,603 --> 00:14:28,389 there was some-someone else, too. 305 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:32,045 There was someone else. Um... 306 00:14:32,175 --> 00:14:34,482 We were kids. 307 00:14:42,751 --> 00:14:44,622 It was, uh... 308 00:14:50,846 --> 00:14:52,848 I can't do this. 309 00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:31,278 DeROGATIS: I think I'm probably 310 00:15:31,408 --> 00:15:34,150 the world's foremost scholar of R. Kelly interviews, 311 00:15:34,281 --> 00:15:36,892 audio and definitely video. 312 00:15:37,023 --> 00:15:39,329 I had to be, in order to figure out 313 00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:42,419 what he had said and how he had changed certain stories. 314 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:45,422 And, of course, there's the Tavis Smiley interview. 315 00:15:45,553 --> 00:15:47,685 TAVIS SMILEY: At eight or nine years of age, you talk in the book 316 00:15:47,816 --> 00:15:50,601 about how exposed you were to sex. 317 00:15:50,732 --> 00:15:52,821 There were adults who were coming on to you, 318 00:15:52,952 --> 00:15:54,475 even when you were a child. 319 00:15:54,605 --> 00:15:55,737 What'd that do to you, 320 00:15:55,867 --> 00:15:58,696 to be exposed to sex at that early age? 321 00:16:00,568 --> 00:16:02,874 I really think it's a generational curse. 322 00:16:03,005 --> 00:16:04,572 Because as I grew up I would ask 323 00:16:04,702 --> 00:16:07,488 a whole lot of people that I had met. 324 00:16:07,618 --> 00:16:09,446 Had they ever been? You know, and they would say, 325 00:16:09,577 --> 00:16:10,970 "Yeah, as a matter of fact, I have." 326 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:12,754 And, yes, 327 00:16:12,884 --> 00:16:15,713 I was molested when I was a, uh, 328 00:16:15,844 --> 00:16:20,240 from seven on to maybe 13, 14 or something like that, 329 00:16:20,370 --> 00:16:23,199 uh, by people in my family. 330 00:16:26,028 --> 00:16:27,682 BRUCE: Mr. Henry was one thing, 331 00:16:27,812 --> 00:16:29,858 but... 332 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:33,035 there was someone else, too. 333 00:16:33,166 --> 00:16:36,647 The person that did it is not that much older than we are. 334 00:16:36,778 --> 00:16:38,693 Was just a kid herself. 335 00:16:38,823 --> 00:16:40,216 She was just a kid. 336 00:16:42,131 --> 00:16:45,787 I was six years old when it first happened. 337 00:16:45,917 --> 00:16:48,355 I was six years old. 338 00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:53,403 And she... pushed me down on the bed, 339 00:16:53,534 --> 00:16:55,536 and, um... 340 00:16:55,666 --> 00:16:58,104 and-and she start, like... 341 00:16:59,757 --> 00:17:03,065 unzipping my pants and stuff and, um... 342 00:17:03,196 --> 00:17:05,502 You know, and I'm crying, 343 00:17:05,633 --> 00:17:09,811 and I'm begging her to please stop doing that 344 00:17:09,941 --> 00:17:12,248 because I don't feel right. 345 00:17:12,379 --> 00:17:15,382 I don't feel right, um... 346 00:17:15,512 --> 00:17:17,601 And then she climbed on top of me. 347 00:17:17,732 --> 00:17:20,996 I would make believe 348 00:17:21,127 --> 00:17:23,259 that I was somewhere else playing with my friends 349 00:17:23,390 --> 00:17:26,436 or I would say I'm at the park. 350 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:31,963 Doing things that kids supposed to be doing at that age. 351 00:17:32,094 --> 00:17:33,791 You know? 352 00:17:33,922 --> 00:17:36,098 That was just with me, but then there would be times 353 00:17:36,229 --> 00:17:38,100 that she would make Robert stay in the house. 354 00:17:38,231 --> 00:17:41,451 I remember one time hearing Bruce 355 00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:44,150 and Robert talking about girls. 356 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,065 Bruce said, uh, "Robert, man, 357 00:17:46,195 --> 00:17:47,718 you ain't, you ain't never had no girl." 358 00:17:47,849 --> 00:17:49,546 He said, "Uh-huh. 359 00:17:49,677 --> 00:17:51,113 "Uh-huh, and I have." 360 00:17:51,244 --> 00:17:53,289 And he said it proud. 361 00:17:53,420 --> 00:17:55,726 I think, I think he enjoyed it. 362 00:17:58,033 --> 00:18:00,340 You know how a parent be able to tell 363 00:18:00,470 --> 00:18:02,211 that their child is out there having sex, 364 00:18:02,342 --> 00:18:04,039 'cause they're getting smart at the mouth. 365 00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:05,867 They think they know it all now. 366 00:18:05,997 --> 00:18:08,565 And it happens all of a sudden, you know? 367 00:18:08,696 --> 00:18:11,046 It's not no thing that builds up overnight. 368 00:18:11,177 --> 00:18:13,831 I think it affected him in more ways than we, 369 00:18:13,962 --> 00:18:17,400 than we all know. 370 00:18:17,531 --> 00:18:20,403 The things that happened to me and Robert was just 371 00:18:20,534 --> 00:18:22,797 a surreal situation, where I felt like, 372 00:18:22,927 --> 00:18:25,756 "Oh, my God, I just want to die." 373 00:18:31,022 --> 00:18:33,416 Robert's sexual life 374 00:18:33,547 --> 00:18:36,506 and the way that he turned out today to be... 375 00:18:36,637 --> 00:18:39,118 For a man to molest my brother 376 00:18:39,248 --> 00:18:42,817 and [bleep] to molest him-- 377 00:18:42,947 --> 00:18:44,819 that changed the game. 378 00:18:44,949 --> 00:18:47,865 I never thought of it like that until now. 379 00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:55,743 Sexual abuse at a really early age, 380 00:18:55,873 --> 00:18:59,616 especially from a family member, can be really confusing. 381 00:18:59,747 --> 00:19:02,576 This thing that's happening to me feels good. 382 00:19:02,706 --> 00:19:05,448 It's happening from a family member, which is wrong, 383 00:19:05,579 --> 00:19:07,581 and it's happening at an early age, 384 00:19:07,711 --> 00:19:10,323 which I know it's wrong, but it feels good. 385 00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:13,239 Someone who struggles with that type of trauma at an early age 386 00:19:13,369 --> 00:19:16,329 would be really confused about what sex is, 387 00:19:16,459 --> 00:19:19,810 what the rules around sex are, and how should I 388 00:19:19,941 --> 00:19:22,073 live a sexual life? 389 00:19:22,204 --> 00:19:24,032 What are the appropriate boundaries around sex? 390 00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:26,295 BRUCE: We lived there on 391 00:19:26,426 --> 00:19:30,125 40th Street. That place had a impact on our lives 392 00:19:30,256 --> 00:19:33,476 so much, Robert named a tour after it. 393 00:19:33,607 --> 00:19:35,870 60653 Tour. 394 00:19:39,134 --> 00:19:40,179 That's... [stammering] 395 00:19:40,309 --> 00:19:42,181 Wow, I... 396 00:19:44,444 --> 00:19:46,402 Mm, mm, mm. 397 00:19:46,533 --> 00:19:48,578 The link between being a victim 398 00:19:48,709 --> 00:19:50,493 and being a perpetrator 399 00:19:50,624 --> 00:19:53,583 can be overstated at times. There are many people 400 00:19:53,714 --> 00:19:57,196 that don't go on to perpetrate sexual violence 401 00:19:57,326 --> 00:19:59,589 that have experiences of child sexual abuse. 402 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,330 What we do know is that 403 00:20:01,461 --> 00:20:04,551 for many people that are sexual perpetrators 404 00:20:04,681 --> 00:20:06,683 and sexual abusers, they do have that experience 405 00:20:06,814 --> 00:20:07,858 in their childhood. 406 00:20:07,989 --> 00:20:09,991 When we look back into their pasts, 407 00:20:10,121 --> 00:20:12,211 we see moments where they felt very vulnerable. 408 00:20:12,341 --> 00:20:14,474 They felt helpless. 409 00:20:14,604 --> 00:20:16,258 When you start to peel away the layers 410 00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:18,695 and start to look at their lives and how they got here, 411 00:20:18,826 --> 00:20:22,351 some of their patterns of control and abuse 412 00:20:22,482 --> 00:20:25,224 make sense in the context of what they experienced. 413 00:20:25,354 --> 00:20:27,313 You think about a child who was sexually abused 414 00:20:27,443 --> 00:20:29,837 at an early age, they've lost all control 415 00:20:29,967 --> 00:20:32,535 of their own body, of what happens to them, 416 00:20:32,666 --> 00:20:33,797 of their own feelings. 417 00:20:33,928 --> 00:20:36,409 So someone who was abused at an early age, 418 00:20:36,539 --> 00:20:38,628 um, can have a lifelong struggle 419 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:40,369 of trying to regain control. 420 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:43,024 I remember one time 421 00:20:43,154 --> 00:20:44,591 when we was just sitting in his room talking, 422 00:20:44,721 --> 00:20:46,897 like brothers and... 423 00:20:47,028 --> 00:20:48,856 And he had a, uh, 424 00:20:48,986 --> 00:20:52,251 he had a poster of his self 425 00:20:52,381 --> 00:20:53,991 on the back of his door. 426 00:20:54,122 --> 00:20:56,559 And the poster was 12 Play. 427 00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:59,562 The album. 428 00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:02,173 And he say, 429 00:21:02,304 --> 00:21:05,525 "Man, that [bleep] right there-- 430 00:21:05,655 --> 00:21:07,657 "he a [bleep]. 431 00:21:09,964 --> 00:21:13,533 He powerful, man. He powerful." 432 00:21:13,663 --> 00:21:15,274 I'm, like, "What? W-What are you talking about?" 433 00:21:15,404 --> 00:21:17,232 He said, "Dude, man. 434 00:21:17,363 --> 00:21:18,581 Dude that's on that poster." 435 00:21:19,843 --> 00:21:21,758 I said, "Rob, you mean you? 436 00:21:21,889 --> 00:21:24,805 The picture of you?" He said, "No, man, R. Kelly, man." 437 00:21:24,935 --> 00:21:28,112 He was talking about his self 438 00:21:28,243 --> 00:21:29,505 as if it wasn't him. 439 00:21:29,636 --> 00:21:31,812 I said, "Rob, what you mean, man?" 440 00:21:31,942 --> 00:21:33,509 "You know, he, he-he a whole different person, man." 441 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,598 He say, "He be making me do [bleep] 442 00:21:35,729 --> 00:21:37,774 I don't-I don't want to do." 443 00:21:37,905 --> 00:21:39,646 And he was crying when he saying it. 444 00:21:39,776 --> 00:21:40,995 I'm getting emotional, 445 00:21:41,125 --> 00:21:43,040 because I'm, like, 446 00:21:43,171 --> 00:21:44,781 my brother is really, really hurting. 447 00:21:44,912 --> 00:21:46,609 He... [stammers] 448 00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:48,829 Now I'm starting to really look at it, like, 449 00:21:48,959 --> 00:21:52,920 he probably believed that whatever R. Kelly say, 450 00:21:53,050 --> 00:21:54,269 Robert has to do. 451 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,577 If there's some truth to this, of-of this 452 00:21:57,707 --> 00:22:00,841 name or whatever this entity is he's saying 453 00:22:00,971 --> 00:22:03,670 that controls him, 454 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,976 beyond his control, 455 00:22:06,107 --> 00:22:09,110 then that's the problem. 456 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,591 There was a pastor, 457 00:22:11,721 --> 00:22:13,680 a lady pastor 458 00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:15,986 that Robert was in tune with. 459 00:22:16,117 --> 00:22:18,902 He used to call her for spiritual advice 460 00:22:19,033 --> 00:22:20,687 and so forth, 461 00:22:20,817 --> 00:22:23,429 and one day, he called this pastor up 462 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:24,952 and had this pastor come to the house. 463 00:22:27,128 --> 00:22:29,609 He told me, "Let her in. 464 00:22:31,219 --> 00:22:33,613 "Take her to the Jacuzzi room 465 00:22:33,743 --> 00:22:36,790 and I'll be there." I said, "Okay." 466 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,793 When the pastor came, I escorted her 467 00:22:39,923 --> 00:22:43,231 to the Jacuzzi room, I called Robert. "Pastor's here." 468 00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:45,015 I was getting ready to leave because he wanted 469 00:22:45,146 --> 00:22:47,148 to talk to her. He said, "No, Bruce, 470 00:22:47,278 --> 00:22:49,585 I want you to stay." 471 00:22:49,716 --> 00:22:52,066 So, he start crying. 472 00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:54,590 He start crying tears 473 00:22:54,721 --> 00:22:58,246 telling this woman that, "I have a problem. 474 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:00,509 I-I look at those videotapes," 475 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,903 and he was pointing to the closet with, 476 00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:04,731 it's a-it's a... it's a closet, 477 00:23:04,861 --> 00:23:08,387 like a walk-in closet with shelves full of videotapes. 478 00:23:08,517 --> 00:23:11,041 And he was telling the pastor, 479 00:23:11,172 --> 00:23:12,782 "I look at those videotapes 480 00:23:12,913 --> 00:23:15,350 and I... and I [bleep] off." 481 00:23:17,004 --> 00:23:19,049 He was, like... 482 00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:21,356 asking for help. 483 00:23:21,487 --> 00:23:24,664 Like, "I have a problem." 484 00:23:24,794 --> 00:23:28,232 You know? I... That's the... 485 00:23:28,363 --> 00:23:31,975 only time I think that Robert... 486 00:23:32,106 --> 00:23:36,327 admitted that he has a problem. 487 00:23:36,458 --> 00:23:39,026 I think it's a sexual problem. 488 00:23:39,156 --> 00:23:40,897 A sexual addiction. 489 00:23:41,028 --> 00:23:43,509 And... 490 00:23:43,639 --> 00:23:46,468 any type of disease, of addiction 491 00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:48,862 is only out to do one thing: 492 00:23:48,992 --> 00:23:51,952 seek, kill and destroy everything 493 00:23:52,082 --> 00:23:54,911 that's any good in your life. 494 00:23:55,042 --> 00:23:57,000 That's what it's after. 495 00:23:57,131 --> 00:24:00,613 So, if you don't... if you don't admit to it 496 00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:02,789 or-or admit that you have a problem, 497 00:24:02,919 --> 00:24:04,704 that's the road that you're on. 498 00:24:04,834 --> 00:24:06,967 You're on the road to destruction. 499 00:24:07,097 --> 00:24:09,186 You know? 500 00:24:09,317 --> 00:24:11,537 [sniffles] I wish I was a... 501 00:24:11,667 --> 00:24:14,757 I wish I could kind of turn back the hands of time and tell... 502 00:24:14,888 --> 00:24:17,673 a-and pound it into Robert 503 00:24:17,804 --> 00:24:20,284 to get help, to get some help, 504 00:24:20,415 --> 00:24:23,418 like he used to pound into me to get help. 505 00:24:24,724 --> 00:24:26,726 I still love you, bro. 506 00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:28,858 I still love you. 507 00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:31,774 And I'm-I'm gonna still be there for you. 508 00:24:31,905 --> 00:24:33,776 ♪ 509 00:24:33,907 --> 00:24:36,083 I cannot 510 00:24:36,213 --> 00:24:39,434 just lay down and forget about Joanne Kelly's son. 511 00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:11,118 LEMIEUX: There's this renewed public interest 512 00:25:11,248 --> 00:25:13,642 in what has been happening. 513 00:25:13,773 --> 00:25:15,688 For all the folks that are like, "We get it now. 514 00:25:15,818 --> 00:25:18,212 We're sorry. We're changing. We're not listening to him," 515 00:25:18,342 --> 00:25:20,040 there are still a lot of people 516 00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:21,824 that haven't had that moment yet. 517 00:25:21,955 --> 00:25:23,347 I don't know if R. Kelly did it or not. 518 00:25:23,478 --> 00:25:25,349 That ain't my business. I ain't judging. 519 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,090 But I'm just saying, those parents 520 00:25:27,221 --> 00:25:29,223 shouldn't have let that go that far. 521 00:25:29,353 --> 00:25:32,052 K. MICHELLE: I seen mothers in the kitchen cooking, 522 00:25:32,182 --> 00:25:34,663 managers, people all around. 523 00:25:34,794 --> 00:25:37,274 So you're not gonna put me back there up in the fire, 524 00:25:37,405 --> 00:25:39,842 to go and be the face, you know, 525 00:25:39,973 --> 00:25:42,671 for some women who half their parents knew. 526 00:25:42,802 --> 00:25:45,935 There were parents who knew about these allegations, 527 00:25:46,066 --> 00:25:48,198 and they also were starstruck 528 00:25:48,329 --> 00:25:51,811 to know that their daughter was going to work for R. Kelly 529 00:25:51,941 --> 00:25:54,030 or possibly get a music deal. 530 00:25:54,161 --> 00:25:56,903 HUGHLEY: It's not unbelievable that some parents would put 531 00:25:57,033 --> 00:25:58,078 their kids in that situation. 532 00:25:58,208 --> 00:25:59,296 It's not unbelievable at all. 533 00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:00,863 ♪ 534 00:26:05,694 --> 00:26:08,044 The blaming of the parents, to me, 535 00:26:08,175 --> 00:26:11,613 felt a little too facile and a little too easy. 536 00:26:11,744 --> 00:26:15,008 Um, the fact that people came on camera 537 00:26:15,138 --> 00:26:19,012 and knew that they could be judged in that way 538 00:26:19,142 --> 00:26:22,015 and still wanted to tell their stories to save their children 539 00:26:22,145 --> 00:26:24,191 is something I think that you have to be credited for. 540 00:26:26,236 --> 00:26:28,108 The parents of R. Kelly survivors 541 00:26:28,238 --> 00:26:31,024 get the worst of it all, I believe. 542 00:26:31,154 --> 00:26:34,810 Um, I think that, even people who very much believe 543 00:26:34,941 --> 00:26:37,204 that R. Kelly is guilty and should be brought to justice 544 00:26:37,334 --> 00:26:39,554 a lot of times add the addendum: 545 00:26:39,685 --> 00:26:41,425 "And the parents should go to jail, too." 546 00:26:41,556 --> 00:26:45,255 And the judgment that they get is horrific. 547 00:26:45,386 --> 00:26:48,258 At the time, of course they were not making decisions 548 00:26:48,389 --> 00:26:49,999 that they thought meant, "I'm not gonna see my child 549 00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:51,566 "for the next two, three years. 550 00:26:51,697 --> 00:26:54,090 "My child's gonna miss birthdays and funerals, 551 00:26:54,221 --> 00:26:57,137 and is gonna be abused and exposed to venereal diseases." 552 00:26:57,267 --> 00:26:58,878 Of course they were not making these decisions 553 00:26:59,008 --> 00:27:00,401 with that thought in mind. 554 00:27:08,757 --> 00:27:11,020 CHARLES: My name is Charles Rodgers 555 00:27:11,151 --> 00:27:13,632 and this is my wife Kelly Rodgers, 556 00:27:13,762 --> 00:27:17,548 and we're the parents of Faith Rodgers, who was involved 557 00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,507 with Mr. R. Kelly. 558 00:27:21,509 --> 00:27:22,989 NORAH O'DONNELL: A woman is suing 559 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,687 singer-songwriter R. Kelly for allegedly 560 00:27:25,818 --> 00:27:28,124 failing to disclose a sexually transmitted disease. 561 00:27:28,255 --> 00:27:30,561 She also accuses him of sexual battery. 562 00:27:30,692 --> 00:27:33,042 REPORTER: Faith Rodgers says that she was in a relationship 563 00:27:33,173 --> 00:27:34,870 with R. Kelly when she was 19 564 00:27:35,001 --> 00:27:37,351 for nearly a year before leaving. 565 00:27:39,483 --> 00:27:43,096 I wanted to make sure that I'd done my best as a father, 566 00:27:43,226 --> 00:27:45,011 because I really didn't have a father. 567 00:27:45,141 --> 00:27:46,708 [indistinct chatter] 568 00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:48,841 However, I did know what was right from wrong. 569 00:27:48,971 --> 00:27:51,452 And, uh, I-I thought 570 00:27:51,582 --> 00:27:53,672 that I-I knew how to teach my children. 571 00:27:53,802 --> 00:27:55,630 CHARLES [on video]: Faith. Faithy-waithy. 572 00:27:55,761 --> 00:27:57,023 You have kids 573 00:27:57,153 --> 00:27:58,720 and-and you love them 574 00:27:58,851 --> 00:28:00,679 and-and, you know, they're beautiful. 575 00:28:00,809 --> 00:28:02,724 Uh, when they're little and they're babies, 576 00:28:02,855 --> 00:28:04,204 they're pretty, you hold them. You know... 577 00:28:04,334 --> 00:28:05,684 T-That little girl that I used to rock. 578 00:28:05,814 --> 00:28:07,729 I remember rocking Faith and I-I'd have 579 00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:09,426 tears in my eyes because I was so grateful. 580 00:28:09,557 --> 00:28:11,428 She was such a beautiful creation. 581 00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:13,648 CHARLES: Faith. You talking for the camera? 582 00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:16,172 -KELLY RODGERS: Can you say "dada"? -CHARLES: I had no idea 583 00:28:16,303 --> 00:28:18,174 that one day, sh... this would happen to us. 584 00:28:18,305 --> 00:28:20,394 I'm a pastor. 585 00:28:20,524 --> 00:28:24,528 While raising my kids in the beginning, I was very strict. 586 00:28:24,659 --> 00:28:28,402 We didn't allow secular music, we didn't allow our children 587 00:28:28,532 --> 00:28:32,449 to have girlfriends and boyfriends in high school. 588 00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:35,409 We just tried to teach her good, 589 00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:38,107 moral Christian values. 590 00:28:38,238 --> 00:28:40,588 The same things that we try to practice in our lives. 591 00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:42,808 WOMAN: Wow, you guys are beautiful. 592 00:28:42,938 --> 00:28:44,940 KELLY RODGERS: We sheltered them, 593 00:28:45,071 --> 00:28:48,204 but in the process of the sheltering, 594 00:28:48,335 --> 00:28:51,555 I informed my daughters of everything. 595 00:28:51,686 --> 00:28:54,080 What type of men to stay away from. 596 00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:57,387 I tell them, "Look at your dad. 597 00:28:57,518 --> 00:28:59,563 "Look at your dad. 598 00:28:59,694 --> 00:29:03,393 "This is the type of man you want in your life. 599 00:29:03,524 --> 00:29:06,962 "You know, you want a man that's gonna love you and cherish you 600 00:29:07,093 --> 00:29:10,444 "and honor you and respect you. 601 00:29:10,574 --> 00:29:13,186 "Share your dreams and share your visions. 602 00:29:13,316 --> 00:29:15,710 "Not a man that's gonna control you. 603 00:29:15,841 --> 00:29:18,669 "Not a man that's not gonna allow you to be you 604 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,281 "and-and share, you know, your-your dreams 605 00:29:21,411 --> 00:29:22,673 and your hopes and your desires." 606 00:29:22,804 --> 00:29:26,025 I've always taught my daughters that. 607 00:29:26,155 --> 00:29:28,201 CHARLES: I remember the night 608 00:29:28,331 --> 00:29:31,465 that Faith went to the R. Kelly concert with her sister. 609 00:29:31,595 --> 00:29:33,554 Somebody came out between a break or something 610 00:29:33,684 --> 00:29:36,557 -and-and offered her, uh, -Her and her sister... 611 00:29:36,687 --> 00:29:40,169 bracelets and-and were told Mr. Kelly wanted them 612 00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:42,824 to come to the after-party to meet them. 613 00:29:42,955 --> 00:29:45,653 Of which they did. Met him backstage. 614 00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:48,177 And once things settled down and they were about to leave, 615 00:29:48,308 --> 00:29:51,006 somebody slipped a number to h... to her. 616 00:29:53,748 --> 00:29:56,751 And I remember Faith, you know, that night 617 00:29:56,882 --> 00:29:58,622 when she told me what had happened, and I said, 618 00:29:58,753 --> 00:30:00,450 "Don't you dare call him." And she was like, 619 00:30:00,581 --> 00:30:02,539 "Ooh, Dad, no, I would ne... Dad, ew. 620 00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:04,498 -"He's twice your age." -"That's nasty. 621 00:30:04,628 --> 00:30:06,717 "He's-he's your age," you know, 622 00:30:06,848 --> 00:30:08,894 and t-that was her reaction. 623 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,767 FAITH RODGERS: I lied to my parents 624 00:30:12,898 --> 00:30:16,205 the whole time that I was involved with him. 625 00:30:16,336 --> 00:30:18,991 Um... say I'm going to a friend's house, 626 00:30:19,121 --> 00:30:21,080 really be out of town. 627 00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:24,648 KELLY RODGERS: After Faith 628 00:30:24,779 --> 00:30:27,260 ended her relationship with Robert Kelly, 629 00:30:27,390 --> 00:30:30,785 she begin to tell me, "Mom, I-I need to talk to you and Dad 630 00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:32,831 about something that's very important." 631 00:30:32,961 --> 00:30:36,269 It was hard for her to tell us. I could see that. 632 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:39,620 She said she had been lying to us. 633 00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:43,145 On the weekends when we thought she was with her girlfriend... 634 00:30:43,276 --> 00:30:45,365 It was unbelievable. We were-we were shocked. 635 00:30:45,495 --> 00:30:48,934 I was just totally blown away. I was very angry. 636 00:30:49,064 --> 00:30:50,631 -I trusted her. -Right. 637 00:30:50,761 --> 00:30:52,894 And I believed that she-she wasn't, uh, 638 00:30:53,025 --> 00:30:54,548 seeing him or hadn't seen him. 639 00:30:54,678 --> 00:30:56,158 Uh, you know, we had no idea. 640 00:30:57,725 --> 00:31:00,467 My relationship with R. Kelly had costed me 641 00:31:00,597 --> 00:31:03,165 my confidence, my respect, 642 00:31:03,296 --> 00:31:05,341 my love for myself. 643 00:31:05,472 --> 00:31:08,475 Seeing his personality flip was enough for me. 644 00:31:08,605 --> 00:31:09,955 Just little things like, 645 00:31:10,085 --> 00:31:11,391 "Send me a picture of what you're wearing" 646 00:31:11,521 --> 00:31:14,089 to "Tell me where you live," 647 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:17,701 To "Tell me everywhere you go outside of where you live," 648 00:31:17,832 --> 00:31:20,269 to "I want the address to that place." 649 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,706 It really took a lot out of me. 650 00:31:22,837 --> 00:31:26,145 His energy, at times, it would just be really dark, 651 00:31:26,275 --> 00:31:28,234 to the point where I couldn't even look at him in the eye. 652 00:31:28,364 --> 00:31:30,323 You don't know how to read a person like that. 653 00:31:30,453 --> 00:31:32,934 And you also realize that they're unpredictable. 654 00:31:33,065 --> 00:31:34,805 So you don't want to make them upset, 655 00:31:34,936 --> 00:31:38,809 you don't want to do anything to make them mad. 656 00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:41,900 On May 22, 2018, when Faith Rodgers 657 00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:44,903 comes, uh, public, uh, that she's suing R. Kelly 658 00:31:45,033 --> 00:31:48,689 for, uh, passing on a sexually transmitted disease, 659 00:31:48,819 --> 00:31:50,734 unlike many of the lawsuits that I had covered 660 00:31:50,865 --> 00:31:54,086 in the '90s and the 2000s, 661 00:31:54,216 --> 00:31:56,610 this is instant news everywhere. 662 00:31:56,740 --> 00:32:00,092 This is exhausting because it's another R. Kelly story, 663 00:32:00,222 --> 00:32:01,920 and it's always the same things. 664 00:32:02,050 --> 00:32:05,314 Other news organizations are taking this seriously. 665 00:32:05,445 --> 00:32:08,491 As with the case of the first Harvey Weinstein accusers, 666 00:32:08,622 --> 00:32:12,234 the floodgates kind of opened and other women come forward. 667 00:32:12,365 --> 00:32:14,758 Kitti Jones and Asante McGee both say 668 00:32:14,889 --> 00:32:16,673 they had relationships with R. Kelly. 669 00:32:16,804 --> 00:32:19,459 FAITH: Prior to the documentary airing, 670 00:32:19,589 --> 00:32:21,940 my attorney Gloria Allred-- she had received a letter 671 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:24,812 and it was already a threatening letter, 672 00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:26,596 and it had pictures of me. 673 00:32:26,727 --> 00:32:28,163 It had said 674 00:32:28,294 --> 00:32:30,861 that I needed to abandon 675 00:32:30,992 --> 00:32:33,995 these heartless efforts of trying to ruin his career. 676 00:32:34,126 --> 00:32:36,780 Um, it said that he would have ten men 677 00:32:36,911 --> 00:32:40,393 that were gonna come and talk about my-my sex life 678 00:32:40,523 --> 00:32:42,438 or that they have had sex with me. 679 00:32:42,569 --> 00:32:44,223 So at that point, I felt like you were 680 00:32:44,353 --> 00:32:47,008 just trying to manipulate me 681 00:32:47,139 --> 00:32:49,402 and the fact that you would go that far 682 00:32:49,532 --> 00:32:53,928 and send pictures to my attorney of me nude, 683 00:32:54,059 --> 00:32:57,366 you just validate everything I'm saying about you. 684 00:32:57,497 --> 00:33:01,849 His version of controlled damage is damaging other people. 685 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:06,332 He's trying to fix his image, so "I'm gonna ruin yours, Faith." 686 00:33:06,462 --> 00:33:08,464 REPORTER: Backed by famed attorney Gloria Allred, 687 00:33:08,595 --> 00:33:11,163 the 21-year-old unveiled a threatening letter 688 00:33:11,293 --> 00:33:13,556 allegedly written by Kelly last October. 689 00:33:13,687 --> 00:33:15,210 GLORIA ALLRED: Mr. Kelly appears 690 00:33:15,341 --> 00:33:18,387 to have been engaging in a campaign 691 00:33:18,518 --> 00:33:21,564 of intimidation and retaliation. 692 00:33:21,695 --> 00:33:25,394 Often in the past, many victims were fearful 693 00:33:25,525 --> 00:33:28,484 of coming forward against the powerful. 694 00:33:28,615 --> 00:33:31,705 Now I think we see a power shift in many cases, 695 00:33:31,835 --> 00:33:34,099 where the person with the fear... 696 00:33:34,229 --> 00:33:36,840 is the rapist. 697 00:33:36,971 --> 00:33:40,105 Or the person who sexually assaulted or abused, 698 00:33:40,235 --> 00:33:42,542 uh, a child. 699 00:33:42,672 --> 00:33:45,545 I had been getting, like, texts through my mom's phone. 700 00:33:45,675 --> 00:33:47,808 I had changed my number but I had been getting texts 701 00:33:47,938 --> 00:33:51,159 from a weird Chicago n-number and it was like, 702 00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:53,596 "Pull the plug or you'll be exposed." 703 00:33:56,773 --> 00:33:59,776 There's plenty of history of threatening witnesses. 704 00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:02,692 First week of January 2001, 705 00:34:02,823 --> 00:34:05,608 the day after I received the videotape, 706 00:34:05,739 --> 00:34:08,350 someone had shot out the front porch window. 707 00:34:08,481 --> 00:34:11,353 Two years after that, I got a call at home. 708 00:34:11,484 --> 00:34:14,922 "We know you have a six-year-old daughter." 709 00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:16,924 Someone, I would imagine, 710 00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:18,926 who has some allegiance to him, 711 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:21,755 uh, if not being him, 712 00:34:21,885 --> 00:34:25,019 they're trying to silence, uh, these survivors, 713 00:34:25,150 --> 00:34:26,542 these storytellers, 714 00:34:26,673 --> 00:34:29,154 um, this project. Making the threat-- 715 00:34:29,284 --> 00:34:31,417 i-it sends a message, right? It says, 716 00:34:31,547 --> 00:34:33,332 you know, "I can still control you. 717 00:34:33,462 --> 00:34:35,769 "I can still change things for you. 718 00:34:35,899 --> 00:34:37,901 I still have power of your life." 719 00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:43,168 We've had to move since this-this ordeal. 720 00:34:45,953 --> 00:34:47,607 CHARLES: We just felt like 721 00:34:47,737 --> 00:34:49,652 -it was in our best interest to move. -Safety reasons. 722 00:34:49,783 --> 00:34:52,525 After Faith, uh, went public, 723 00:34:52,655 --> 00:34:55,223 we began to, um, 724 00:34:55,354 --> 00:34:58,139 get threats. 725 00:34:58,270 --> 00:35:01,229 Then my wife received some phone calls and... 726 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,578 He knew our address, 727 00:35:02,709 --> 00:35:04,841 and we end up having to put cameras 728 00:35:04,972 --> 00:35:08,584 just circulating all around the house. 729 00:35:08,715 --> 00:35:11,935 I remember one of Faith's friends coming to the house 730 00:35:12,066 --> 00:35:15,765 to see Faith, and he ran in the house and he was like, 731 00:35:15,896 --> 00:35:17,550 "They're snapping pictures, they're snapping pictures. 732 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,942 "They're on the side of the house 733 00:35:19,073 --> 00:35:22,729 in a all-blacked out car." 734 00:35:22,859 --> 00:35:25,166 And we run outside, but they drove off. 735 00:35:25,297 --> 00:35:28,822 You know, so you're just... they're just... you're paranoid. 736 00:35:31,346 --> 00:35:33,043 KELLY RODGERS: It's not easy. 737 00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:36,003 -When Faith leaves the house... -You know, it's not easy. 738 00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:37,352 Even with her friends, 739 00:35:37,483 --> 00:35:40,355 we're on total edge. 740 00:35:40,486 --> 00:35:42,488 We can't sleep, we're just, like, you know, 741 00:35:42,618 --> 00:35:44,490 it's-it's almost torture, 742 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:46,709 worrying about her. 743 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,972 I can recall when we were 744 00:35:49,103 --> 00:35:51,888 in New York at the premiere. 745 00:35:59,069 --> 00:36:00,114 [indistinct chatter] 746 00:36:04,466 --> 00:36:05,554 LEMIEUX: You know, I had a lot 747 00:36:05,685 --> 00:36:07,904 of anxiety about watching them 748 00:36:08,035 --> 00:36:09,993 watch themselves on camera. 749 00:36:10,124 --> 00:36:13,345 So many of these people who did speak on camera 750 00:36:13,475 --> 00:36:15,608 are meeting for the first time. 751 00:36:15,738 --> 00:36:18,524 That had to be, uh, an incredible experience 752 00:36:18,654 --> 00:36:21,483 for all of them, to realize they'd never been alone, 753 00:36:21,614 --> 00:36:22,789 uh, they'd never connected, 754 00:36:22,919 --> 00:36:25,139 and now they're connecting. 755 00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:27,794 When I met all of the survivors in December, 756 00:36:27,924 --> 00:36:31,363 none of these ladies I knew prior to this. 757 00:36:31,493 --> 00:36:34,279 Knowing we shared some similarities 758 00:36:34,409 --> 00:36:36,977 or some similar stories and just trying to, 759 00:36:37,107 --> 00:36:40,589 I guess, kind of make a connection with everybody. 760 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,201 So it starts, and you see me, 761 00:36:43,331 --> 00:36:46,291 and we're, like, oh, you know. 762 00:36:46,421 --> 00:36:50,033 And then you start, we start listening to Robert's story. 763 00:36:50,164 --> 00:36:53,515 And then the mood really changed. 764 00:36:53,646 --> 00:36:56,475 LEMIEUX: We're seated, taking all this in, 765 00:36:56,605 --> 00:36:58,433 and one of the organizers of the event 766 00:36:58,564 --> 00:37:00,130 comes in very calmly and says, 767 00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:02,437 "Hey, everyone, uh, we're so sorry, 768 00:37:02,568 --> 00:37:04,787 "but, unfortunately, there has been a threat, 769 00:37:04,918 --> 00:37:06,659 and we're gonna have to go." 770 00:37:06,789 --> 00:37:08,748 BURKE: The producers 771 00:37:08,878 --> 00:37:11,229 and some security personnel from the venue come in 772 00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:14,623 and tell us that we have to evacuate immediately. 773 00:37:16,756 --> 00:37:18,584 I was scared for my life. 774 00:37:20,107 --> 00:37:21,543 [siren wails] 775 00:37:48,875 --> 00:37:50,224 Somebody had called in a gun threat. 776 00:37:50,355 --> 00:37:51,834 [siren wails] 777 00:37:51,965 --> 00:37:54,010 In an era of mass shootings, 778 00:37:54,141 --> 00:37:56,796 there's still a level of terror that you can't help but to fear. 779 00:37:56,926 --> 00:37:59,842 We go outside and-and who are we gonna be met with? 780 00:37:59,973 --> 00:38:03,019 And how far are folks willing to go to stop these women 781 00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:04,630 from telling their stories? 782 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,892 But more than anything, 783 00:38:06,022 --> 00:38:08,547 my heart broke for the survivors. 784 00:38:08,677 --> 00:38:11,071 The tensions were high. People were arguing and fighting, 785 00:38:11,201 --> 00:38:13,465 and people were, you know, scared, 786 00:38:13,595 --> 00:38:15,249 and people were trying to figure out how to get out of there. 787 00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:18,948 It was just a lot of chaos, and immediately, 788 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:20,559 the first thought that came to everybody is that 789 00:38:20,689 --> 00:38:21,951 R. Kelly did this. 790 00:38:22,082 --> 00:38:24,476 LISA: I just made a mad dash to the van. 791 00:38:26,695 --> 00:38:29,655 And that's when I knew, like, something powerful 792 00:38:29,785 --> 00:38:31,744 is in this documentary 793 00:38:31,874 --> 00:38:35,051 and someone's trying to make sure it's not ever seen. 794 00:38:35,182 --> 00:38:37,053 -Mute R. Kelly. -Mute R. Kelly. 795 00:38:37,184 --> 00:38:39,142 That's right. That's right. 796 00:38:39,273 --> 00:38:41,710 -Mute R. Kelly. -ALL [chanting]: Mute R. Kelly! 797 00:38:41,841 --> 00:38:44,844 Mute R. Kelly! Mute R. Kelly! 798 00:38:44,974 --> 00:38:47,107 It might scare a couple of people. If a couple people 799 00:38:47,237 --> 00:38:48,674 get scared, a couple more people might get scared. 800 00:38:48,804 --> 00:38:51,285 It was a last-ditch, 801 00:38:51,416 --> 00:38:53,113 um, desperate act 802 00:38:53,243 --> 00:38:54,984 to not have the-the survivors do any more press, 803 00:38:55,115 --> 00:38:57,422 to kind of just shut it down when it comes to that 804 00:38:57,552 --> 00:38:59,772 and not have them supported any further. 805 00:38:59,902 --> 00:39:02,949 I just literally just started crying. 806 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:04,820 In my mind, I'm thinking that Lifetime 807 00:39:04,951 --> 00:39:07,780 is not going to air it because of the threats. 808 00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:10,783 They fear for they safety, our safety, or whatever. 809 00:39:10,913 --> 00:39:13,829 So I, like, you know, I really, I just cried so much. 810 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,744 [overlapping chatter] 811 00:39:18,051 --> 00:39:20,662 After we were all, um, 812 00:39:20,793 --> 00:39:24,536 evacuated from the location, we all went back 813 00:39:24,666 --> 00:39:26,973 to the hotel. 814 00:39:27,103 --> 00:39:29,497 I walked downstairs, 815 00:39:29,628 --> 00:39:32,021 and this young lady is sitting on the couch, 816 00:39:32,152 --> 00:39:33,414 and she goes, 817 00:39:33,545 --> 00:39:37,897 "Hello, Miss Rodgers." 818 00:39:38,027 --> 00:39:40,203 And I said, "Hello, who are you?" 819 00:39:40,334 --> 00:39:44,643 And she said, "Who I am doesn't matter, 820 00:39:44,773 --> 00:39:49,561 "but I want you to know that I got, um, videos 821 00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:52,433 of your daughter on my phone with R. Kelly." 822 00:39:52,564 --> 00:39:57,090 And I said, "Oh, really? Well, send them to me." 823 00:39:57,220 --> 00:40:00,963 At this point, my mind is like, "Let me go see where Faith is," 824 00:40:01,094 --> 00:40:05,141 because it was already, anxiety was high 825 00:40:05,272 --> 00:40:06,839 from being rushed out of the premiere. 826 00:40:06,969 --> 00:40:11,409 By the time I had gotten to the room, 827 00:40:11,539 --> 00:40:13,280 somebody had already 828 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:16,239 sent Faith a text saying, 829 00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:19,460 "I have video of you. 830 00:40:19,591 --> 00:40:21,375 Come meet me." 831 00:40:21,506 --> 00:40:23,943 I was afraid of the videos and pictures 832 00:40:24,073 --> 00:40:25,466 that he had of me. 833 00:40:25,597 --> 00:40:28,600 So after the premiere, at the hotel, 834 00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:31,167 I kind of just took matters into my own hands. 835 00:40:31,298 --> 00:40:33,735 And I'm hearing her on her phone in there guiding her, 836 00:40:33,866 --> 00:40:35,781 and I'm trying to keep up with her. 837 00:40:35,911 --> 00:40:39,001 And they're telling her, "Well, I'm in this car over here. 838 00:40:39,132 --> 00:40:40,394 Come get in this car." 839 00:40:40,525 --> 00:40:42,135 And I'm, like, screaming, 840 00:40:42,265 --> 00:40:44,354 "Faith, you're not getting in nobody's car. 841 00:40:44,485 --> 00:40:45,878 "We don't know who these people are. 842 00:40:46,008 --> 00:40:47,445 "We don't know what they may have. 843 00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:48,750 "We don't know what's going-- 844 00:40:48,881 --> 00:40:50,404 You're not meeting them in they car." 845 00:40:50,535 --> 00:40:52,711 And, you know, she's in hysterics. "Mom, 846 00:40:52,841 --> 00:40:54,582 I need to see what this video is." 847 00:40:54,713 --> 00:40:55,931 I said, "Well, 848 00:40:56,062 --> 00:40:58,412 tell them to meet us in Applebee's." 849 00:40:58,543 --> 00:41:01,981 FAITH: I ended up sitting down, um, 850 00:41:02,111 --> 00:41:05,985 with this employee, their security guard, my mom, 851 00:41:06,115 --> 00:41:08,291 and, at the time, I'm not even think-thinking like, 852 00:41:08,422 --> 00:41:09,989 "This is somebody who works for him. 853 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:12,382 Like, you could really be setting yourself up." 854 00:41:12,513 --> 00:41:14,950 And the gentleman, he was her bodyguard, 855 00:41:15,081 --> 00:41:18,432 he proceeded to, like, move his jacket over, 856 00:41:18,563 --> 00:41:20,608 and I could see that he had a gun. 857 00:41:22,436 --> 00:41:25,265 She wasn't hiding the fact that she worked for him. 858 00:41:25,395 --> 00:41:28,442 She kind of had, like, this weird smirk the whole time, 859 00:41:28,573 --> 00:41:30,792 like everything was a joke to her. 860 00:41:30,923 --> 00:41:34,970 Her only reason for being there, like she said, 861 00:41:35,101 --> 00:41:38,060 "I'm here to let you know what's gonna be put out about you." 862 00:41:38,191 --> 00:41:41,150 And she didn't say how or when. 863 00:41:41,281 --> 00:41:43,979 I feared, though, this whole time being exposed. 864 00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:47,287 KELLY RODGERS: This woman, she had content 865 00:41:47,417 --> 00:41:50,072 in her phone with her and Robert Kelly. 866 00:41:50,203 --> 00:41:52,901 She proceeded to tell Faith, 867 00:41:53,032 --> 00:41:56,339 "Here's the content, all right?" 868 00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:58,167 And she began to tell Faith, "Well, it's gonna air 869 00:41:58,298 --> 00:42:01,127 soon, right?" 870 00:42:01,257 --> 00:42:03,172 Faith slid the phone back. 871 00:42:03,303 --> 00:42:06,785 Faith's like, "I'm not worried about that," and she left. 872 00:42:06,915 --> 00:42:09,352 FAITH: I'm epileptic. 873 00:42:09,483 --> 00:42:12,355 I have a few triggers that set off my seizures, 874 00:42:12,486 --> 00:42:15,054 but, um, it's really stress. 875 00:42:15,184 --> 00:42:18,318 It's not just, "Oh, I'm stressed out, I'm having a seizure." 876 00:42:18,448 --> 00:42:23,236 It has to be something really, like, life or death, obviously. 877 00:42:23,366 --> 00:42:27,153 I can't really describe any emotion I felt at that moment 878 00:42:27,283 --> 00:42:28,937 besides, like, rage. 879 00:42:29,068 --> 00:42:31,505 I was like, "This is [bleep] up, 880 00:42:31,636 --> 00:42:34,073 "but if you're that [bleep] up, and this is what you got to do, 881 00:42:34,203 --> 00:42:36,379 do what you got to do. I don't give a [bleep]." 882 00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:40,514 It took a lot out of me that night, uh, 883 00:42:40,645 --> 00:42:44,083 emotionally, phy-physically, and spiritually. 884 00:42:44,213 --> 00:42:48,783 I took... Yeah, it took a lot out of me that night. 885 00:42:48,914 --> 00:42:51,525 KELLY RODGERS: I can recall this woman asking me, 886 00:42:51,656 --> 00:42:55,398 "What do you want from Robert Kelly?" 887 00:42:55,529 --> 00:42:59,751 And I looked at her and I told her, 888 00:42:59,881 --> 00:43:02,057 "Robert Kelly, at this point, 889 00:43:02,188 --> 00:43:04,277 needs to fall off the face of the Earth." 890 00:43:04,407 --> 00:43:07,367 And I walked off, um, 891 00:43:07,497 --> 00:43:09,891 ran behind Faith. 892 00:43:10,022 --> 00:43:14,113 By the time she got up the steps, she had a seizure. 893 00:43:44,143 --> 00:43:45,405 DeROGATIS: I was reporting 894 00:43:45,535 --> 00:43:47,886 many of these stories for 19 years. 895 00:43:48,016 --> 00:43:50,932 But the power of television 896 00:43:51,063 --> 00:43:54,109 to make people feel as if they met these women. 897 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,459 So many of these-these people who I'd talked to 898 00:43:56,590 --> 00:43:58,592 and I'd had these experiences, 899 00:43:58,723 --> 00:44:02,378 but not all of America had, and now 900 00:44:02,509 --> 00:44:05,643 people were hearing these women firsthand tell their story. 901 00:44:05,773 --> 00:44:08,863 I think that had an incredibly powerful impact. 902 00:44:15,261 --> 00:44:17,524 REPORTER 1: Surviving R. Kelly was trending at number one 903 00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:19,526 on Twitter during its debut. 904 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:22,224 And this new documentary has been getting a lot of attention. 905 00:44:22,355 --> 00:44:24,183 I don't think it's appropriate for anyone to be playing 906 00:44:24,313 --> 00:44:26,272 R. Kelly songs anymore. I think he's cancelled. 907 00:44:26,402 --> 00:44:28,927 It's difficult, but I think that it is needed. 908 00:44:29,057 --> 00:44:30,798 It's saving lives. It's changing lives. 909 00:44:30,929 --> 00:44:32,757 That's still my father. 910 00:44:32,887 --> 00:44:37,544 Um, it's a very hard situation to digest and even process. 911 00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:41,200 REPORTER 2: Calls to investigate the 52-year-old were reignited. 912 00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:43,071 Whatever justice need to be done 913 00:44:43,202 --> 00:44:44,377 to R. Kelly, that need to get done. 914 00:44:48,642 --> 00:44:52,646 The world just, like, was shook. 915 00:44:52,777 --> 00:44:54,169 Everybody was calling me wanting to talk, 916 00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:55,344 and I'm like, "This is not 917 00:44:55,475 --> 00:44:57,520 "a celebration. We just, 918 00:44:57,651 --> 00:44:59,479 "we are exploiting our business, 919 00:44:59,609 --> 00:45:01,220 embarrassing moments." 920 00:45:01,350 --> 00:45:04,179 I think that the documentary was a perfect storm 921 00:45:04,310 --> 00:45:06,007 because it was time. 922 00:45:06,138 --> 00:45:09,271 These were victims who got to tell their stories, 923 00:45:09,402 --> 00:45:11,621 and their stories were so compelling, 924 00:45:11,752 --> 00:45:13,319 and their stories were so alike. 925 00:45:13,449 --> 00:45:16,888 It was the same M.O. over and over and over. 926 00:45:17,018 --> 00:45:19,020 These young women spoke for a lot of people. 927 00:45:19,151 --> 00:45:21,457 If they're the ones who came forward, can you imagine 928 00:45:21,588 --> 00:45:23,721 how many girls did not come forward, 929 00:45:23,851 --> 00:45:25,766 but they knew that this went on? 930 00:45:25,897 --> 00:45:28,769 So I think it was a perfect storm. It was time. 931 00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:30,162 Watching Surviving R. Kelly, 932 00:45:30,292 --> 00:45:31,772 I think, made a lot of people realize 933 00:45:31,903 --> 00:45:33,643 that it wasn't just rumors. 934 00:45:33,774 --> 00:45:35,515 In addition, I think what we learned 935 00:45:35,645 --> 00:45:38,126 is that it wasn't R. Kelly acting by himself. 936 00:45:38,257 --> 00:45:41,216 It would be impossible for him to manage to do everything 937 00:45:41,347 --> 00:45:43,479 that he was doing with his career without the help 938 00:45:43,610 --> 00:45:46,656 of managers, drivers, security, 939 00:45:46,787 --> 00:45:49,529 people around him, publicists enabling him. 940 00:45:49,659 --> 00:45:53,141 I feel like it was, like, that first episode, you know, 941 00:45:53,272 --> 00:45:55,361 I caught it On Demand or something, 942 00:45:55,491 --> 00:45:57,711 and we're watching in the bed, and I just, you know, 943 00:45:57,842 --> 00:45:59,278 I was getting tight. 944 00:45:59,408 --> 00:46:02,107 I was with Aaliyah, so I knew 945 00:46:02,237 --> 00:46:03,978 exactly what went on, 946 00:46:04,109 --> 00:46:07,242 and, you know, my thing was always 947 00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:09,288 I didn't understand why it took so long. 948 00:46:09,418 --> 00:46:11,290 He was finally dropped-- 949 00:46:11,420 --> 00:46:12,813 without any comment, 950 00:46:12,944 --> 00:46:15,033 without taking any responsibility-- 951 00:46:15,163 --> 00:46:16,643 by his label. 952 00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:20,168 Sony has still not commented on, uh, R. Kelly. 953 00:46:20,299 --> 00:46:23,693 They're, however, happy to continue to sell his records. 954 00:46:23,824 --> 00:46:25,173 The thing that's different about R. Kelly 955 00:46:25,304 --> 00:46:26,958 is he's actively doing this stuff. 956 00:46:27,088 --> 00:46:29,395 And so the idea of him 957 00:46:29,525 --> 00:46:32,180 losing his record contract or not h-- 958 00:46:32,311 --> 00:46:33,834 you know, people supporting him and playing his music 959 00:46:33,965 --> 00:46:35,749 gives him revenue, 960 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,448 and the more revenue he has, the more resources he has. 961 00:46:39,579 --> 00:46:41,929 He puts those resources into doing 962 00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:44,105 the things he was doing to these girls, so you can 963 00:46:44,236 --> 00:46:46,673 "Step in the Name of Love" all you want to, 964 00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:49,937 but you have to do that knowing that every step you take 965 00:46:50,068 --> 00:46:52,287 puts a dollar in this man's pocket. 966 00:46:52,418 --> 00:46:55,160 What is he gonna do with that money? 967 00:46:55,290 --> 00:46:57,597 When RCA finally came forward in saying that they were, you know, 968 00:46:57,727 --> 00:46:59,120 basically dropping him from the label, 969 00:46:59,251 --> 00:47:01,688 that was such a huge moment. 970 00:47:01,819 --> 00:47:03,690 Not only are you taking money out of his pockets, 971 00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:05,431 but you're taking money out of his bodyguard's pockets 972 00:47:05,561 --> 00:47:08,782 and his assistant's pockets, so he was very worried. 973 00:47:08,913 --> 00:47:10,305 When you start messing with somebody's money, 974 00:47:10,436 --> 00:47:11,785 crazy jumps out. 975 00:47:11,916 --> 00:47:14,701 MITCHELL: TheSurviving R. Kelly 976 00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:18,270 documentary really touched a nerve 977 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,750 in Chicago in a different way. 978 00:47:20,881 --> 00:47:23,014 They saw that he was going down. 979 00:47:23,144 --> 00:47:25,190 That this is not something that he's gonna be able 980 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,626 to sing his way out of. 981 00:47:26,756 --> 00:47:29,498 That this was the story. 982 00:47:29,629 --> 00:47:32,066 BRITTANY PACKNETT CUNNINGHAM: There were folks 983 00:47:32,197 --> 00:47:35,026 who ignored these issues before 984 00:47:35,156 --> 00:47:37,811 and who could not help but see 985 00:47:37,942 --> 00:47:40,553 exactly what he had been guilty of this whole time. 986 00:47:40,683 --> 00:47:44,774 On the contrary, I also saw many black people 987 00:47:44,905 --> 00:47:48,561 decide that this was a targeted attack against R. Kelly. 988 00:47:48,691 --> 00:47:51,303 That this most vulnerable group, you know, the survivors, 989 00:47:51,433 --> 00:47:54,088 have to deal with backlash. 990 00:47:54,219 --> 00:47:57,265 And it's just, the fact that there's anything towards them, 991 00:47:57,396 --> 00:48:00,486 it-it just reminds me that R. Kelly 992 00:48:00,616 --> 00:48:02,880 is a member of a protected class. 993 00:48:03,010 --> 00:48:06,492 People started DMing me and say, "B, count your days." 994 00:48:06,622 --> 00:48:11,018 I moved out of Illinois because they tried to physically harm me 995 00:48:11,149 --> 00:48:12,715 twice at Orland Mall. 996 00:48:12,846 --> 00:48:14,717 One of the cashiers recognized me 997 00:48:14,848 --> 00:48:16,937 and she started asking me questions, 998 00:48:17,068 --> 00:48:18,939 and somebody that was standing in line behind me 999 00:48:19,070 --> 00:48:21,115 started getting mad and was like, "So this the bitch 1000 00:48:21,246 --> 00:48:23,030 from the docu? This the Sherhondabitch?" 1001 00:48:23,161 --> 00:48:26,642 There was two other girls with her, 1002 00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:27,861 and they was like, "Yeah, we're about to beat 1003 00:48:27,992 --> 00:48:30,516 this bitch ass in the parking lot." 1004 00:48:30,646 --> 00:48:32,039 When they left, me and my daughters, 1005 00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:33,475 we went back to the other side of the store 1006 00:48:33,606 --> 00:48:35,390 and we went out the other doors. 1007 00:48:35,521 --> 00:48:38,263 And I just loaded them up very quickly and we left. 1008 00:48:38,393 --> 00:48:42,093 FAITH: It definitely was, like, a lot of just 1009 00:48:42,223 --> 00:48:46,097 nasty... all type of hate. 1010 00:48:46,227 --> 00:48:48,621 Hate-texting, phone calls. 1011 00:48:48,751 --> 00:48:51,145 Uh, I had to change my number. 1012 00:48:51,276 --> 00:48:53,408 To put yourself out there 1013 00:48:53,539 --> 00:48:59,371 and then to be mistreated and bullied and called a liar... 1014 00:48:59,501 --> 00:49:02,548 How could people be so cruel? You have all of this evidence. 1015 00:49:02,678 --> 00:49:06,073 You see all of this stuff dated back to the '90s, 1016 00:49:06,204 --> 00:49:10,077 and you want to attack me and tell me all of this? 1017 00:49:10,208 --> 00:49:12,079 I shut down. I didn't want to leave my house. 1018 00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:15,343 I didn't want to do anything. I just, I just wanted to sleep. 1019 00:49:15,474 --> 00:49:17,389 It-- Sleep everything away and just hope 1020 00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:19,913 that it would be a different outcome when I woke up, 1021 00:49:20,044 --> 00:49:21,132 and it wasn't. 1022 00:49:21,262 --> 00:49:22,524 It didn't stop. 1023 00:49:22,655 --> 00:49:26,050 It hasn't stopped. 1024 00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:29,879 Too often in our society and in culture, we blame the victim. 1025 00:49:30,010 --> 00:49:32,186 And we look to them and we say, "But why didn't she do X" 1026 00:49:32,317 --> 00:49:33,796 or "Why didn't she do Y?" 1027 00:49:33,927 --> 00:49:35,015 Rather than, "Why's he doing X?" 1028 00:49:35,146 --> 00:49:37,626 and "Why's he doing Y?" 1029 00:49:37,757 --> 00:49:40,803 And we drop him-- normally-- out of the conversation 1030 00:49:40,934 --> 00:49:42,980 and we focus on our attention on the victim. 1031 00:49:43,110 --> 00:49:46,026 FAITH: The first three months after the documentary, 1032 00:49:46,157 --> 00:49:48,463 I gained, like, 30 pounds. 1033 00:49:48,594 --> 00:49:50,770 Like, I was stress eating. 1034 00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:52,728 I had days, like, probably the worst days, 1035 00:49:52,859 --> 00:49:55,296 where I was just looking at the phone, like, 1036 00:49:55,427 --> 00:50:00,823 "Everything they think about me must be true, because... 1037 00:50:00,954 --> 00:50:03,826 look at me." 1038 00:50:03,957 --> 00:50:06,264 I felt like nothing. 1039 00:50:06,394 --> 00:50:07,961 I wasn't known as Faith anymore. 1040 00:50:08,092 --> 00:50:11,660 I'm known as the girl who slept with R. Kelly. 1041 00:50:15,142 --> 00:50:18,493 It can be devastating and disappointing to us 1042 00:50:18,624 --> 00:50:22,193 to learn something about somebody we care about 1043 00:50:22,323 --> 00:50:26,066 that is so disconnected with how we see them. 1044 00:50:26,197 --> 00:50:28,590 What becomes problematic is that instead of 1045 00:50:28,721 --> 00:50:30,157 sitting with that discomfort, 1046 00:50:30,288 --> 00:50:34,988 we deny, we don't believe people's accounts, 1047 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,512 no matter how much evidence is accumulating, 1048 00:50:37,643 --> 00:50:39,601 because it disagrees 1049 00:50:39,732 --> 00:50:43,475 with a preset notion that we have created. 1050 00:50:43,605 --> 00:50:45,085 [chanting]: Lifetime is lying! 1051 00:50:45,216 --> 00:50:46,260 WOMAN [chanting]: Women lie, too! 1052 00:50:46,391 --> 00:50:47,870 MAN: Women lie, too! 1053 00:50:48,001 --> 00:50:50,351 -WOMAN: Women lie, too! -Women lie, too! 1054 00:50:50,482 --> 00:50:52,005 ANGELO CLARY: So now it ain't a thing 1055 00:50:52,136 --> 00:50:54,660 of what the crime is, it's a thing of, 1056 00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:56,053 "You're saying something about R. Kelly, 1057 00:50:56,183 --> 00:50:57,750 so we're gonna say ten things about you." 1058 00:51:00,318 --> 00:51:04,539 R. Kelly has a team that, they are ordered by him 1059 00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:08,500 to destroy whoever is fighting against him. 1060 00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:12,069 I've never, ever, ever been in a situation like this. 1061 00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:14,636 Anything to destroy your credibility, 1062 00:51:14,767 --> 00:51:16,725 this is what they do. 1063 00:51:16,856 --> 00:51:19,032 Hi, I'm, uh, Lindsey Perryman-Dunn, 1064 00:51:19,163 --> 00:51:20,642 and I worked for R. Kelly 1065 00:51:20,773 --> 00:51:24,472 between the years 1999 and 2007. 1066 00:51:24,603 --> 00:51:26,953 I started out as his studio manager. 1067 00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:30,217 Moved up to personal assistant and then his general manager. 1068 00:51:30,348 --> 00:51:32,741 The women that I saw in the docuseries 1069 00:51:32,872 --> 00:51:35,483 were the type of women that Robert would've picked. 1070 00:51:37,355 --> 00:51:38,573 And you know what they're upset about? 1071 00:51:38,704 --> 00:51:40,140 It's that they didn't get 1072 00:51:40,271 --> 00:51:41,750 the limelight until they were 1073 00:51:41,881 --> 00:51:44,927 on Lifetime television. 1074 00:51:45,058 --> 00:51:48,017 During my working position with Robert over eight years, 1075 00:51:48,148 --> 00:51:50,585 we brought on my sister for about a year. 1076 00:51:50,716 --> 00:51:52,805 JEN EMRICH: When the docuseries aired, 1077 00:51:52,935 --> 00:51:56,243 nobody wanted to listen to me and-- unless I, uh, 1078 00:51:56,374 --> 00:51:58,158 unless I said something bad about R. Kelly 1079 00:51:58,289 --> 00:51:59,899 'cause that's the popular thing to do. 1080 00:52:00,029 --> 00:52:03,337 What worked was, for me, to go onto social media 1081 00:52:03,468 --> 00:52:05,339 and use the hashtags. 1082 00:52:05,470 --> 00:52:09,952 #RKelly. #UnmuteRKelly. 1083 00:52:10,083 --> 00:52:13,478 #RKellz, with a "Z." 1084 00:52:13,608 --> 00:52:16,089 It started a whole movement. 1085 00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:17,525 It worked. Thank God. 1086 00:52:17,656 --> 00:52:18,918 It worked. It did, it worked. 1087 00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:22,139 KELLY RODGERS: After 1088 00:52:22,269 --> 00:52:26,578 we were in New York at the premiere, 1089 00:52:26,708 --> 00:52:32,149 Robert Kelly's people began to expose women one by one. 1090 00:52:32,279 --> 00:52:34,934 Then they stated, "Faith Rodgers 1091 00:52:35,064 --> 00:52:36,501 is gonna be next." 1092 00:52:36,631 --> 00:52:38,329 And I can recall 1093 00:52:38,459 --> 00:52:41,114 my daughter Jada at school, calling me from school, 1094 00:52:41,245 --> 00:52:42,550 just hysterical... 1095 00:52:47,033 --> 00:52:49,688 ...that it was actual pictures up on the social media 1096 00:52:49,818 --> 00:52:52,386 about her sister. 1097 00:53:20,414 --> 00:53:23,025 I can recall when we were in New York at the premiere. 1098 00:53:24,505 --> 00:53:26,246 Robert Kelly's people began 1099 00:53:26,377 --> 00:53:29,249 to expose women one by one. 1100 00:53:29,380 --> 00:53:34,123 One day, they began to say, "I'm-a expose Asante McGee." 1101 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,085 They put information about her. 1102 00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:42,610 The next day it was information up about Jerhonda Pace. 1103 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,571 Then they stated, 1104 00:53:46,701 --> 00:53:49,313 "Faith Rodgers is gonna be next." 1105 00:53:49,443 --> 00:53:54,318 And I can recall my daughter Jada calling me from school, 1106 00:53:54,448 --> 00:53:56,668 just hysterical... 1107 00:54:00,541 --> 00:54:03,022 ...that it was actual pictures up on the social media 1108 00:54:03,152 --> 00:54:05,677 about her sister. 1109 00:54:09,202 --> 00:54:10,682 FAITH: Two hours after the documentary aired, 1110 00:54:10,812 --> 00:54:12,858 there was a Facebook page, 1111 00:54:12,988 --> 00:54:14,512 um, there was an Instagram page, 1112 00:54:14,642 --> 00:54:18,690 and they were full of my nude pictures. 1113 00:54:22,607 --> 00:54:24,435 ASANTE: They putting everybody on blast, 1114 00:54:24,565 --> 00:54:27,568 and of course, who name's comes up? Asante McGee. 1115 00:54:27,699 --> 00:54:30,267 They pull out my mugshots. Yes, I was arrested. 1116 00:54:30,397 --> 00:54:31,964 I was not convicted. 1117 00:54:32,094 --> 00:54:34,749 It's like, they trying to bring me to the point 1118 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,099 where they just waiting to get that news and say, 1119 00:54:37,230 --> 00:54:39,928 "Survivor Asante McGee is dead from suicide." 1120 00:54:40,059 --> 00:54:45,020 I feel like that's where they want me at. 1121 00:54:45,151 --> 00:54:47,327 FAITH: It was a whole page that was created. 1122 00:54:47,458 --> 00:54:49,329 It wasn't just harmful towards me. 1123 00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:52,767 It was towards everybody who was involved in the documentary. 1124 00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:56,641 JEN EMRICH: Surviving Lies. 1125 00:54:56,771 --> 00:55:00,253 As far as being part of that, I certainly coached Rob 1126 00:55:00,384 --> 00:55:02,777 to speak out because Rob is not a fighter. 1127 00:55:02,908 --> 00:55:05,214 And so that's why this has gone so far. 1128 00:55:05,345 --> 00:55:09,697 I do not know personally who put Surviving Lies together, 1129 00:55:09,828 --> 00:55:12,221 but I am aware of Surviving Lies. 1130 00:55:12,352 --> 00:55:15,094 And I definitely support that. [laughs] 1131 00:55:15,224 --> 00:55:20,142 I feel that a victim of any crime needs to call 911. 1132 00:55:20,273 --> 00:55:23,668 If you are, have been raped or victimized, 1133 00:55:23,798 --> 00:55:26,888 you need to go to the emergency room immediately. 1134 00:55:27,019 --> 00:55:30,065 You need to seek medical help, you need to see a psychologist, 1135 00:55:30,196 --> 00:55:32,154 you need to get an attorney involved. 1136 00:55:32,285 --> 00:55:34,635 You need to sue, you need to take l-legal action. 1137 00:55:34,766 --> 00:55:37,334 I believe in the American justice system. 1138 00:55:37,464 --> 00:55:40,554 I do not believe in the justice system 1139 00:55:40,685 --> 00:55:41,860 that's going on right now, which is just 1140 00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:43,992 the public justice system. 1141 00:55:44,123 --> 00:55:46,299 Right now, the public is prosecuting R. Kelly. 1142 00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:48,954 Not the police. 1143 00:55:49,084 --> 00:55:51,348 Sitting here today with the new accusations, 1144 00:55:51,478 --> 00:55:53,698 I don't believe them. 1145 00:55:53,828 --> 00:55:56,222 And I don't believe that I was a part of anything 1146 00:55:56,353 --> 00:55:59,660 that had to do with pedophilia. 1147 00:55:59,791 --> 00:56:04,578 CUNNINGHAM: "What were you wearing that R. Kelly was attracted to?" 1148 00:56:04,709 --> 00:56:07,625 "Why did you present yourself as older than you were?" 1149 00:56:09,975 --> 00:56:13,674 "Why did your parents put you in this position?" 1150 00:56:13,805 --> 00:56:16,547 Not only were we not talking about it enough, 1151 00:56:16,677 --> 00:56:18,592 in the times that we were talking about it, 1152 00:56:18,723 --> 00:56:20,333 we were doing all of these things to put young women 1153 00:56:20,464 --> 00:56:23,641 on trial instead of the person who actually abused them. 1154 00:56:23,771 --> 00:56:27,906 FAITH: Day one of going public was the worst feeling. 1155 00:56:28,036 --> 00:56:30,212 Day one of having my nude pictures, 1156 00:56:30,343 --> 00:56:32,084 probably is, like, second worst. 1157 00:56:32,214 --> 00:56:36,001 So that was a crazy experience. 1158 00:56:36,131 --> 00:56:37,829 CHARLES: All this involving R. Kelly 1159 00:56:37,959 --> 00:56:42,747 has affected Faith in a major way. 1160 00:56:42,877 --> 00:56:44,792 We never saw her depressed, 1161 00:56:44,923 --> 00:56:47,099 where now we do see her depressed. 1162 00:56:47,229 --> 00:56:48,927 She's been in therapy. 1163 00:56:49,057 --> 00:56:50,711 She never was moody. 1164 00:56:50,842 --> 00:56:52,670 Now she's moody. 1165 00:56:55,150 --> 00:56:59,328 My relationship with my dad is... it's good. 1166 00:56:59,459 --> 00:57:02,114 Somemes I still feel, like, sorry. 1167 00:57:02,244 --> 00:57:05,987 I still, I guess I'm just still embarrassed. 1168 00:57:06,118 --> 00:57:07,815 I don't want him to be ashamed of me. 1169 00:57:09,730 --> 00:57:12,124 I think my parents, naturally, they say 1170 00:57:12,254 --> 00:57:14,648 that they're proud and they stand behind me, but, uh, 1171 00:57:14,779 --> 00:57:15,910 sometimes I don't feel that way. 1172 00:57:16,041 --> 00:57:18,260 I feel like an embarrassment to them. 1173 00:57:18,391 --> 00:57:21,699 I definitely, I've stopped going to church a lot. 1174 00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:24,615 I don't go to family events and stuff as much. 1175 00:57:24,745 --> 00:57:28,532 I kind of just, I think our relationship could be better, 1176 00:57:28,662 --> 00:57:32,361 but I think I'm just dealing with a lot right now, of after. 1177 00:57:40,021 --> 00:57:42,328 KITTI: I felt literally ill 1178 00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:44,765 having sex with him when I knew 1179 00:57:44,896 --> 00:57:46,854 that there were fetishes involved. 1180 00:57:46,985 --> 00:57:48,769 TIMOTHY: We have to fight this fight. 1181 00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:51,642 Not playing checkers, but playing chess. 1182 00:57:51,772 --> 00:57:54,906 LIZZETTE: Robert can smell a wounded woman 1183 00:57:55,036 --> 00:57:56,298 a mile away. 1184 00:57:57,996 --> 00:57:59,824 ODELEYE: This has been going on 1185 00:57:59,954 --> 00:58:01,303 for close to 30 years now 1186 00:58:01,434 --> 00:58:03,523 because of silence. 1187 00:58:03,654 --> 00:58:04,568 ASANTE: He's always felt that he was 1188 00:58:04,698 --> 00:58:06,613 above everything and everybody. 1189 00:58:06,744 --> 00:58:08,397 That he was untouchable. 1190 00:58:08,528 --> 00:58:11,705 R. Kelly, let my sister go. 1191 00:58:11,836 --> 00:58:14,273 JERHONDA: If he was to go to jail, 1192 00:58:14,403 --> 00:58:15,840 I was supposed to kill myself. 1193 00:58:15,970 --> 00:58:18,364 She texted me probably 50 times. 1194 00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:20,148 "I got to go, I got to go, I got to go." 1195 00:58:20,279 --> 00:58:22,281 -She says she's not here. -MICHELLE: Only question 1196 00:58:22,411 --> 00:58:23,891 I wanted to know was the why. 1197 00:58:24,022 --> 00:58:25,197 Why did you stay for so long? 1198 00:58:25,327 --> 00:58:26,198 LANITA: The whole block 1199 00:58:26,328 --> 00:58:27,547 filled up with police cars. 1200 00:58:27,678 --> 00:58:29,375 WOMAN: Obey him. 1201 00:58:29,506 --> 00:58:30,855 Follow his rules. 1202 00:58:30,985 --> 00:58:34,946 And when you go against him, 1203 00:58:35,076 --> 00:58:37,470 ...you're the enemy, and he's gonna treat you like that. 1204 00:58:37,601 --> 00:58:39,777 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS