1 00:00:09,618 --> 00:00:11,315 TIFFANY "TIA" HAWKINS: I was the first girl. 2 00:00:13,535 --> 00:00:15,406 And nobody believed me. 3 00:00:16,755 --> 00:00:18,627 And after that, it continued to happen 4 00:00:18,757 --> 00:00:20,498 again and again 5 00:00:20,629 --> 00:00:22,805 and again. 6 00:00:25,025 --> 00:00:26,330 DAMON DASH: Whoever's acting like they didn't know 7 00:00:26,461 --> 00:00:27,853 is lying. 8 00:00:27,984 --> 00:00:29,203 15, 13... 9 00:00:29,333 --> 00:00:31,074 Anything under 18 is disgusting. 10 00:00:32,597 --> 00:00:34,295 EBONY WILKINS: When you're that young... 11 00:00:36,123 --> 00:00:37,602 ...you get involved with someone. 12 00:00:37,733 --> 00:00:39,169 [sniffles] 13 00:00:41,345 --> 00:00:43,608 And you think that... 14 00:00:43,739 --> 00:00:46,176 you're "special." 15 00:00:46,307 --> 00:00:48,744 JOVANTE CUNNINGHAM: We're grown girls, 16 00:00:48,874 --> 00:00:51,399 but we're still little girls that cry silently. 17 00:00:52,487 --> 00:00:54,445 ♪ 18 00:00:58,971 --> 00:01:01,235 [cheering] 19 00:01:25,259 --> 00:01:27,174 LISA VAN ALLEN: I decided to sit on the row 20 00:01:27,304 --> 00:01:29,567 and be brave and watch it with the rest of the survivors. 21 00:01:29,698 --> 00:01:32,004 And the producers and some security personnel 22 00:01:32,135 --> 00:01:34,659 tell us that we have to evacuate immediately. 23 00:01:34,790 --> 00:01:36,226 [siren wailing] 24 00:01:36,357 --> 00:01:37,749 FAITH RODGERS: Somebody had called in 25 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,273 -a gun threat. -LISA: And that's when I knew, 26 00:01:39,403 --> 00:01:42,145 like, something powerful is in this documentary, 27 00:01:42,276 --> 00:01:46,018 and someone's trying to make sure it's not ever seen. 28 00:01:46,149 --> 00:01:47,542 NEWSWOMAN: Surviving R. Kelly 29 00:01:47,672 --> 00:01:49,848 was trending at number one on Twitter. 30 00:01:49,979 --> 00:01:51,589 I don't think it's appropriate for anyone to be playing 31 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,635 R. Kelly songs anymore. I think he's canceled. 32 00:01:53,765 --> 00:01:55,376 When you start messing with somebody's money, 33 00:01:55,506 --> 00:01:57,073 -crazy jumps out. -KELLY RODGERS: Robert Kelly's 34 00:01:57,204 --> 00:01:59,597 people began to expose 35 00:01:59,728 --> 00:02:01,121 women one by one. 36 00:02:01,251 --> 00:02:02,252 FAITH: There was a Facebook page 37 00:02:02,383 --> 00:02:04,994 full of my nude pictures. 38 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:06,561 ASANTE McGEE: They just waiting to get that news 39 00:02:06,691 --> 00:02:08,693 and say, "Survivor Asante McGee is dead 40 00:02:08,824 --> 00:02:10,913 -from suicide." -JEN EMRICH: I am aware 41 00:02:11,043 --> 00:02:12,262 of Surviving Lies. 42 00:02:12,393 --> 00:02:15,135 And I definitely support that. [laughs] 43 00:02:15,265 --> 00:02:18,050 My parents. I felt like an embarrassment to them. 44 00:02:18,181 --> 00:02:21,532 I think I'm just dealing with a lot right now of after. 45 00:02:30,019 --> 00:02:31,890 NEWSMAN: R. Kelly turned himself in 46 00:02:32,021 --> 00:02:33,979 to Chicago police Friday night. 47 00:02:34,110 --> 00:02:35,720 He is being charged with ten counts 48 00:02:35,851 --> 00:02:37,461 of felony sexual abuse. 49 00:02:37,592 --> 00:02:38,419 MICHAEL AVENATTI: We are in the process 50 00:02:38,549 --> 00:02:39,768 of investigating 51 00:02:39,898 --> 00:02:43,772 the attorneys, the agents and the managers 52 00:02:43,902 --> 00:02:46,253 that enabled this course of conduct. 53 00:02:46,383 --> 00:02:50,082 Man, how complicit we all have been. 54 00:02:50,213 --> 00:02:52,084 W. KAMAU BELL: There's a weird aspect of show business 55 00:02:52,215 --> 00:02:54,652 that the people who make it, once we're through that door, 56 00:02:54,783 --> 00:02:56,219 it's like we have to close ranks. 57 00:02:56,350 --> 00:02:57,873 So often it's like, "Why? 58 00:02:58,003 --> 00:02:59,657 "How did this happen? How could this happen? 59 00:02:59,788 --> 00:03:00,963 "You're telling me that this many people knew this? 60 00:03:01,093 --> 00:03:02,182 "You're telling me that 61 00:03:02,312 --> 00:03:04,096 "he married Aaliyah and, you know, 62 00:03:04,227 --> 00:03:05,924 "that this tape was circulating 63 00:03:06,055 --> 00:03:08,231 in barbershops and on... Like, how? How?" 64 00:03:08,362 --> 00:03:11,452 This doesn't happen without a symphony 65 00:03:11,582 --> 00:03:15,151 of people and industries and organizations 66 00:03:15,282 --> 00:03:17,632 and corporations enabling this behavior. 67 00:03:28,338 --> 00:03:31,733 JIM DeROGATIS: The story here is how did he 68 00:03:31,863 --> 00:03:34,344 get away with this for 30 years? 69 00:03:34,475 --> 00:03:38,043 It should have ended with Tiffany Hawkins. 70 00:03:38,174 --> 00:03:41,046 Victim number one. Patient zero. 71 00:03:41,177 --> 00:03:43,701 The first girl who sued Kelly 72 00:03:43,832 --> 00:03:47,575 for sexual contact that started when she was 15 in 1991. 73 00:04:10,728 --> 00:04:13,775 TIA: I was born and raised in Chicago. 74 00:04:13,905 --> 00:04:17,082 I always knew I wanted to sing. 75 00:04:17,213 --> 00:04:19,824 It was an outlet for me. 76 00:04:19,955 --> 00:04:22,262 You know, I was very shy, but, you know, 77 00:04:22,392 --> 00:04:25,482 when I was singing, I was somebody different. 78 00:04:25,613 --> 00:04:29,530 And I thought that music was my destiny. 79 00:04:35,884 --> 00:04:38,626 I sang in church. That's where I started. 80 00:04:38,756 --> 00:04:40,889 And even in grammar school, 81 00:04:41,019 --> 00:04:43,152 I was in the choir the whole time. 82 00:04:43,283 --> 00:04:44,762 Um, into high school. 83 00:04:46,024 --> 00:04:48,157 I saw myself being a singer 84 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:49,637 like Whitney Houston. 85 00:04:49,767 --> 00:04:50,986 When I got to high school, 86 00:04:51,116 --> 00:04:52,770 I just went to Ms. McLin. 87 00:04:54,206 --> 00:04:58,167 Ms. McLin was my music instructor. 88 00:04:58,298 --> 00:05:01,953 She said to me, "You remind me of Whitney Houston." 89 00:05:02,084 --> 00:05:03,694 She said, "You even look like her." 90 00:05:03,825 --> 00:05:05,740 And so she took me on 91 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:07,437 and started to give me singing lessons. 92 00:05:09,091 --> 00:05:11,093 I pretty much was 93 00:05:11,223 --> 00:05:14,052 on the street more than I was at home. 94 00:05:16,272 --> 00:05:19,144 I was staying out late. 95 00:05:19,275 --> 00:05:22,365 Um, I had no 96 00:05:22,496 --> 00:05:24,193 sense of direction. 97 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:26,978 Me and my friends were-were running the streets. 98 00:05:27,109 --> 00:05:28,589 That's what we did. 99 00:05:28,719 --> 00:05:31,418 We were all running from different challenges. 100 00:05:31,548 --> 00:05:34,508 We all had our own challenges at home. 101 00:05:34,638 --> 00:05:38,642 Either rejection, abuse 102 00:05:38,773 --> 00:05:41,819 or just not really feeling like you fit in. 103 00:05:41,950 --> 00:05:45,562 My mother and I had some tension in our relationship. 104 00:05:45,693 --> 00:05:47,564 [exhales] 105 00:05:47,695 --> 00:05:49,566 She had a boyfriend 106 00:05:49,697 --> 00:05:52,656 that was abusive. 107 00:05:52,787 --> 00:05:55,180 To me and... 108 00:05:55,311 --> 00:05:57,444 [clears throat] 109 00:05:57,574 --> 00:05:59,794 My mother 110 00:05:59,924 --> 00:06:03,754 knew that he was 111 00:06:03,885 --> 00:06:07,584 physically abusive, and so... 112 00:06:07,715 --> 00:06:09,369 I did feel like 113 00:06:09,499 --> 00:06:13,329 she did not protect us 114 00:06:13,460 --> 00:06:16,550 the way that I feel like 115 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,117 I would protect my daughter. 116 00:06:19,248 --> 00:06:23,339 So I was angry with her for that. 117 00:06:23,470 --> 00:06:27,604 And that's where I was at when I met Robert. 118 00:06:27,735 --> 00:06:29,998 I met him in Hyde Park. 119 00:06:30,128 --> 00:06:33,131 A friend of mine and I were on a bus, 120 00:06:33,262 --> 00:06:36,396 and we saw his car, and we saw him. 121 00:06:36,526 --> 00:06:39,573 And we got off the bus 122 00:06:39,703 --> 00:06:42,314 and ran over to his car because we wanted to meet him. 123 00:06:42,445 --> 00:06:45,056 I was a sophomore in high school at the time. 124 00:06:45,187 --> 00:06:47,798 I was an aspiring singer. 125 00:06:47,929 --> 00:06:49,844 I figured, "Oh, my God. 126 00:06:49,974 --> 00:06:51,628 I want to meet R. Kelly. I want him to hear me sing." 127 00:06:53,891 --> 00:06:58,200 R. Kelly is a huge star. 128 00:06:58,330 --> 00:07:01,595 He showed interest in us, you know? 129 00:07:01,725 --> 00:07:04,989 I mean, we're-we're young girls, and here R. Kelly is, 130 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,992 like, standing there talking to us. Him and his friend. 131 00:07:08,123 --> 00:07:12,388 The conversation ended with, "I'm gonna give you my address. 132 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:15,391 "Why don't you bring some of your friends to my apartment. 133 00:07:15,522 --> 00:07:16,653 We'll see how it goes." 134 00:07:16,784 --> 00:07:18,438 The first time I sang for Robert... 135 00:07:19,656 --> 00:07:21,571 I started singing 136 00:07:21,702 --> 00:07:23,834 a Mariah Carey song, 137 00:07:23,965 --> 00:07:26,228 and I hit a high note, 138 00:07:26,358 --> 00:07:28,622 and Robert fell out of his chair. 139 00:07:28,752 --> 00:07:30,319 And I was like, "So, is that a good thing?" 140 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:32,103 And his friend Tory said, 141 00:07:32,234 --> 00:07:33,888 "That's a great thing." 142 00:07:34,018 --> 00:07:36,543 For the first several months, 143 00:07:36,673 --> 00:07:38,849 um, my relationship with Robert 144 00:07:38,980 --> 00:07:41,461 was like a brother-sister relationship. 145 00:07:41,591 --> 00:07:42,810 Robert paraded Tiffany around 146 00:07:42,940 --> 00:07:45,595 as his "best friend, 147 00:07:45,726 --> 00:07:47,815 little sister." 148 00:07:47,945 --> 00:07:50,513 And he adored her. 149 00:07:50,644 --> 00:07:54,082 He absolutely adored her. 150 00:07:54,212 --> 00:07:57,999 Robert and I talked about, um, my life at home. 151 00:07:58,129 --> 00:08:02,307 The troubles and pressures of being a young girl 152 00:08:02,438 --> 00:08:06,311 and, you know, growing up in the neighborhood. 153 00:08:06,442 --> 00:08:08,531 And he was a great listener, 154 00:08:08,662 --> 00:08:11,229 and he had a way 155 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,972 to make you feel like you could beat the odds. 156 00:08:15,103 --> 00:08:16,626 He made me feel like I could do anything. 157 00:08:16,757 --> 00:08:19,411 I could do anything. I could be anything. 158 00:08:19,542 --> 00:08:23,154 And he was gonna be the person to help make that happen 159 00:08:23,285 --> 00:08:25,461 for me. 160 00:08:25,592 --> 00:08:27,681 I spent a lot of time with Robert. 161 00:08:27,811 --> 00:08:29,813 Me, Jovante 162 00:08:29,944 --> 00:08:32,555 and another friend of ours were with Robert 163 00:08:32,686 --> 00:08:34,992 pretty much on a daily basis. 164 00:08:35,123 --> 00:08:37,821 He made sure that I had a place to stay 165 00:08:37,952 --> 00:08:41,303 and food to eat and clothes on my back. 166 00:08:41,433 --> 00:08:44,698 So that-that's how that went. 167 00:08:44,828 --> 00:08:48,658 During that period in the, um, early '90s, 168 00:08:48,789 --> 00:08:51,400 you would see multiple girls in the studio. 169 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:54,925 And I didn't suspect any of the younger girls, 170 00:08:55,056 --> 00:08:56,927 like Tiffany and Jovante, 171 00:08:57,058 --> 00:08:59,800 were being sexually active with Robert. 172 00:08:59,930 --> 00:09:01,715 Now, they were around. They were around late. 173 00:09:01,845 --> 00:09:03,412 This is true. 174 00:09:03,543 --> 00:09:06,328 Sometimes would spend the night at the studio. 175 00:09:06,458 --> 00:09:08,504 I never really looked at Tiffany's age, 176 00:09:08,635 --> 00:09:11,507 um, because she ran with a pack of girls, 177 00:09:11,638 --> 00:09:13,335 and they did what they wanted to do all night. 178 00:09:13,465 --> 00:09:14,554 They would stay out all night. 179 00:09:14,684 --> 00:09:16,294 They would, uh, come early. 180 00:09:16,425 --> 00:09:17,557 They would do what they wanted. 181 00:09:17,687 --> 00:09:18,819 She's a girl who wanted to sing, 182 00:09:18,949 --> 00:09:20,647 and she had incredible talent. 183 00:09:20,777 --> 00:09:23,171 Kelly promised her a career. 184 00:09:23,301 --> 00:09:27,305 That's-that's every young aspiring musician's dream. 185 00:09:27,436 --> 00:09:30,047 And, uh... 186 00:09:30,178 --> 00:09:34,486 it instead was this sick sexual relationship 187 00:09:34,617 --> 00:09:36,967 where he is preying on her at age 15 188 00:09:37,098 --> 00:09:39,753 and having her connect him 189 00:09:39,883 --> 00:09:41,842 to other 15-year-old friends. 190 00:09:41,972 --> 00:09:43,539 Uh, it's-it's... 191 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:46,020 It sounds like the Manson family. 192 00:09:48,762 --> 00:09:50,720 TIA: Robert did 193 00:09:50,851 --> 00:09:54,942 ask me to bring... friends with me, 194 00:09:55,072 --> 00:09:57,553 and I did bring friends with me. 195 00:09:57,684 --> 00:09:59,424 Um... 196 00:09:59,555 --> 00:10:02,210 They always wound up having sex. 197 00:10:02,340 --> 00:10:05,256 Always. It always ended up that way. 198 00:10:07,041 --> 00:10:09,043 The first time I met 199 00:10:09,173 --> 00:10:12,699 with Robert after getting his phone number, 200 00:10:12,829 --> 00:10:16,877 I gathered some of my friends, 201 00:10:17,007 --> 00:10:18,618 and we went to his apartment. 202 00:10:18,748 --> 00:10:20,750 It was Robert. There were... 203 00:10:20,881 --> 00:10:24,406 I think about three of his friends. 204 00:10:24,536 --> 00:10:27,191 We were all talking, laughing. 205 00:10:27,322 --> 00:10:29,411 You know, everybody had fun. 206 00:10:29,541 --> 00:10:32,980 There was a-a lot of laughs, a lot of joking. 207 00:10:33,110 --> 00:10:34,285 There was a lot of fun. 208 00:10:34,416 --> 00:10:36,244 And... 209 00:10:36,374 --> 00:10:40,552 my friends were all in his bedroom. 210 00:10:40,683 --> 00:10:42,729 So, I would 211 00:10:42,859 --> 00:10:45,166 go in and out of the room, 212 00:10:45,296 --> 00:10:48,691 and every time I went in there, 213 00:10:48,822 --> 00:10:52,390 he was having sex with someone. 214 00:10:52,521 --> 00:10:55,263 It turned into a whole orgy. 215 00:10:58,396 --> 00:11:00,311 Every girl I brought 216 00:11:00,442 --> 00:11:02,662 was between the age of 14 and 16. 217 00:11:05,186 --> 00:11:08,798 For a 25-year-old to be having sex with a 14-year-old, 218 00:11:08,929 --> 00:11:12,236 that was not something that was normal for me. 219 00:11:12,367 --> 00:11:14,586 It's not something that I had seen. 220 00:11:14,717 --> 00:11:17,111 This was a star. So, for me, 221 00:11:17,241 --> 00:11:19,896 I thought maybe this was different. 222 00:11:20,027 --> 00:11:23,291 Maybe this is just how it goes. 223 00:11:23,421 --> 00:11:25,902 As she said to me when we finally spoke, 224 00:11:26,033 --> 00:11:28,731 "He used to call me the cable girl." 225 00:11:28,862 --> 00:11:31,734 And I said, "I-I don't get it." 226 00:11:31,865 --> 00:11:33,475 She says, "I hooked him up. 227 00:11:33,605 --> 00:11:36,870 "I introduced him to six of my other friends who were 15, 228 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,481 "and they all had sex with Kelly 229 00:11:39,611 --> 00:11:41,091 before I ever slept with him." 230 00:11:43,790 --> 00:11:45,269 JOVANTE: When you... 231 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,749 You're thinking, "Go get me some girls." 232 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,187 I mean, we weren't looking for underage women. 233 00:11:50,318 --> 00:11:53,060 In our minds, we were just looking for girls. 234 00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:56,411 He had figured a way in, 235 00:11:56,541 --> 00:11:58,935 and we didn't even know it. 236 00:11:59,066 --> 00:12:01,546 CANDICE NORCOTT: Using girls to recruit other girls 237 00:12:01,677 --> 00:12:05,899 may work to make the predator feel less guilty 238 00:12:06,029 --> 00:12:08,292 because somebody else is helping. 239 00:12:08,423 --> 00:12:10,773 Um, feel less culpable. 240 00:12:10,904 --> 00:12:12,601 A little bit more distance 241 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:15,125 from the more nefarious aspect of what's happening. 242 00:12:15,256 --> 00:12:16,692 And in subtle ways, 243 00:12:16,823 --> 00:12:18,650 it's also effective 244 00:12:18,781 --> 00:12:20,043 'cause a predator then is saying, 245 00:12:20,174 --> 00:12:21,610 "Let's invite more people to this party. 246 00:12:21,741 --> 00:12:22,916 Aren't we having fun?" 247 00:12:23,046 --> 00:12:25,396 Robert took advantage 248 00:12:25,527 --> 00:12:28,095 of a lot of my friends. 249 00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:32,142 Um, Ebony... 250 00:12:34,101 --> 00:12:35,755 ...I felt the worst about. 251 00:12:51,292 --> 00:12:53,120 EBONY: About a month in 252 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:55,862 after meeting Rob, 253 00:12:55,992 --> 00:12:59,300 there was a day that we were at his, um, house 254 00:12:59,430 --> 00:13:01,476 on 9th and Wabash. 255 00:13:01,606 --> 00:13:04,566 Rob had grabbed me by the hand, 256 00:13:04,696 --> 00:13:07,134 and he brought me out of the room. 257 00:13:07,264 --> 00:13:11,399 He started kissing on my neck 258 00:13:11,529 --> 00:13:13,618 and fondling me. 259 00:13:13,749 --> 00:13:16,099 And we had sex. 260 00:13:18,275 --> 00:13:20,364 I was 14 or 15. 261 00:13:22,976 --> 00:13:24,412 NORCOTT: When we think 262 00:13:24,542 --> 00:13:26,066 about sexual encounters, 263 00:13:26,196 --> 00:13:30,331 when adults, um, are attempting to engage 264 00:13:30,461 --> 00:13:33,595 in sexual, uh, relationships with adolescents, 265 00:13:33,725 --> 00:13:35,815 there's pressure. 266 00:13:35,945 --> 00:13:38,121 Um, there's an adult that's hav... 267 00:13:38,252 --> 00:13:40,297 that has a very strong opinion one way. 268 00:13:40,428 --> 00:13:42,952 Our brains don't stop developing until our mid-20s. 269 00:13:43,083 --> 00:13:45,520 So what that means is adolescents have 270 00:13:45,650 --> 00:13:47,827 an underdeveloped 271 00:13:47,957 --> 00:13:49,524 decision-making capacity. 272 00:13:51,308 --> 00:13:53,528 We were in the same room that we were always sitting in, 273 00:13:53,658 --> 00:13:56,009 and he... 274 00:13:56,139 --> 00:14:00,274 just openly bent a-a girl over 275 00:14:00,404 --> 00:14:03,277 and proceeded to have sex with her. 276 00:14:04,539 --> 00:14:08,369 And with that, me seeing that... 277 00:14:08,499 --> 00:14:11,198 That... It-it hurt my feelings. 278 00:14:12,503 --> 00:14:15,680 But when you're that young... 279 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:18,640 You get involved with someone... 280 00:14:18,770 --> 00:14:21,556 [sniffles] 281 00:14:21,686 --> 00:14:24,385 And you think that... 282 00:14:24,515 --> 00:14:28,084 you're "special." 283 00:14:28,215 --> 00:14:31,000 To see that it was just so easy to go from me 284 00:14:31,131 --> 00:14:34,047 to another person... 285 00:14:34,177 --> 00:14:36,005 And then in front of me. 286 00:14:38,355 --> 00:14:42,055 I actually didn't even know this impacted me... 287 00:14:42,185 --> 00:14:44,448 like this. 288 00:14:46,059 --> 00:14:49,018 Throughout all the years. 289 00:14:49,149 --> 00:14:51,673 Even when speaking about it recently, 290 00:14:51,803 --> 00:14:53,240 like it was nothing. 291 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:54,763 It was nothing to me. 292 00:14:57,070 --> 00:15:00,203 But I guess it is. I guess it still is. 293 00:15:00,334 --> 00:15:02,945 [sniffles] 294 00:15:04,251 --> 00:15:06,688 TIA: I felt really, really bad, 295 00:15:06,818 --> 00:15:09,038 and-and to this day, I feel really bad about that. 296 00:15:20,223 --> 00:15:22,617 So... [clears throat] 297 00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:32,496 Pause, please. 298 00:15:33,628 --> 00:15:35,586 Mm-hmm. 299 00:15:35,717 --> 00:15:38,111 I need some water. 300 00:15:38,241 --> 00:15:39,764 Yeah, break. 301 00:15:39,895 --> 00:15:42,332 [clears throat] 302 00:16:15,539 --> 00:16:17,498 e two. 303 00:16:18,934 --> 00:16:21,154 TIA: The first time 304 00:16:21,284 --> 00:16:24,200 I had a sexual encounter with Robert, 305 00:16:24,331 --> 00:16:27,116 it was in a very minor way. 306 00:16:27,247 --> 00:16:28,596 I remember one time I came into the room, 307 00:16:28,726 --> 00:16:29,989 and he asked me to take my shirt off, 308 00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:34,254 and... he fondled my breasts 309 00:16:34,384 --> 00:16:38,388 while he was having sex with somebody else. 310 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:41,261 I mean, I was never okay with it, 311 00:16:41,391 --> 00:16:43,306 but I felt like, 312 00:16:43,437 --> 00:16:45,874 at least I don't have to have sex with him. 313 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:50,139 But I always felt like, 314 00:16:50,270 --> 00:16:52,837 you can't be enjoying this 315 00:16:52,968 --> 00:16:55,231 because I'm not, 316 00:16:55,362 --> 00:16:57,538 and it's got to be obvious that I'm not, 317 00:16:57,668 --> 00:16:59,540 so why-why are we doing it? 318 00:16:59,670 --> 00:17:02,630 But he didn't care. 319 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,547 I'm assuming that someone said something about 320 00:17:06,677 --> 00:17:08,244 all the young girls being around 321 00:17:08,375 --> 00:17:10,377 because we went from, "Bring your friends, 322 00:17:10,507 --> 00:17:12,248 bring some of your friends." 323 00:17:12,379 --> 00:17:14,163 Every time, "Bring some of your friends." 324 00:17:14,294 --> 00:17:17,558 We went from that to, "Nobody can come." 325 00:17:17,688 --> 00:17:19,647 He didn't tell me why, 326 00:17:19,777 --> 00:17:22,215 but all of a sudden, 327 00:17:22,345 --> 00:17:24,217 it's-it's just me now. 328 00:17:24,347 --> 00:17:25,566 It's just me. 329 00:17:25,696 --> 00:17:28,482 So there's no one else 330 00:17:28,612 --> 00:17:32,051 to have sex with Robert other than me. 331 00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:37,273 NORCOTT: The first step in the process 332 00:17:37,404 --> 00:17:39,667 of victimization is often locating 333 00:17:39,797 --> 00:17:42,626 and identifying a target, a victim. 334 00:17:42,757 --> 00:17:45,281 And often, what can make it easier is 335 00:17:45,412 --> 00:17:48,806 if you are less connected to family and friends, 336 00:17:48,937 --> 00:17:52,288 if you are more isolated in your life, 337 00:17:52,419 --> 00:17:54,508 with less social supports. 338 00:17:54,638 --> 00:17:57,206 TIA: My sexual relationship 339 00:17:57,337 --> 00:17:59,556 with Robert began 340 00:17:59,687 --> 00:18:03,430 several months after meeting him. 341 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,042 When it was just him and me... 342 00:18:07,173 --> 00:18:08,435 [clears throat] 343 00:18:08,565 --> 00:18:12,700 We went from this... 344 00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:18,445 brother-sister, tight-knit relationship to 345 00:18:18,575 --> 00:18:20,925 more of a sexual relationship, 346 00:18:21,056 --> 00:18:24,015 and... it was weird for me. 347 00:18:31,153 --> 00:18:32,807 ALEXANDER: He would have sex with multiple friends 348 00:18:32,937 --> 00:18:34,765 and have Tiffany watch. 349 00:18:34,896 --> 00:18:36,985 Then he would have Tiffany participate. 350 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:38,987 Then it was just him and Tiffany. 351 00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:43,687 And she wanted to do whatever she needed to do to be with him. 352 00:18:43,818 --> 00:18:48,562 And so, when he insisted on having sex with her, she did. 353 00:18:48,692 --> 00:18:51,130 And then it became a regular thing, 354 00:18:51,260 --> 00:18:52,696 and she eventually lived with him, 355 00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:55,438 and was told to cut off contact 356 00:18:55,569 --> 00:18:58,093 with other people, which she did. 357 00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:01,749 So, it was an ev... an evolution of, uh, of... 358 00:19:01,879 --> 00:19:04,447 of pedophilia. 359 00:19:06,362 --> 00:19:07,842 DR. JODY ADEWALE: If a 15-year-old is 360 00:19:07,972 --> 00:19:09,887 trading sex for a favor, 361 00:19:10,018 --> 00:19:12,063 whether it be a career, whether it be money, 362 00:19:12,194 --> 00:19:15,328 is not making a strong or wise decision. 363 00:19:15,458 --> 00:19:17,286 They do not understand 364 00:19:17,417 --> 00:19:19,984 where this type of behavior can lead them, 365 00:19:20,115 --> 00:19:22,509 due to something we call the "prefrontal cortex." 366 00:19:22,639 --> 00:19:26,426 It basically does not have the wiring to understand 367 00:19:26,556 --> 00:19:29,342 long-term effects of current impulses 368 00:19:29,472 --> 00:19:31,692 and current behavior. 369 00:19:31,822 --> 00:19:34,608 I had no clue. Robert does what he does in your face, 370 00:19:34,738 --> 00:19:36,566 so you don't even see it. 371 00:19:36,697 --> 00:19:38,699 If you're in the studio, 372 00:19:38,829 --> 00:19:41,092 and you hear the music going, and the door is locked, 373 00:19:41,223 --> 00:19:43,051 here's the thing-- you're accustomed to that. 374 00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:46,054 Because this is how he creates. 375 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,099 You're not thinking that there's something going on 376 00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:49,797 on the other side of the door, 377 00:19:49,927 --> 00:19:51,146 'cause if he wants to do something, 378 00:19:51,277 --> 00:19:53,192 he does it in your face. 379 00:19:53,322 --> 00:19:55,977 So it was very easy 380 00:19:56,107 --> 00:19:59,633 for me or anyone else to not realize 381 00:19:59,763 --> 00:20:03,332 what was going on with her at that time. 382 00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:07,249 It's never something that I wanted to do 383 00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:10,905 because I was not sexually attracted to Robert. 384 00:20:11,035 --> 00:20:13,212 I was not in love with Robert. 385 00:20:13,342 --> 00:20:16,084 I didn't want that kind of relationship with Robert. 386 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:19,174 It's what I knew I had to do 387 00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:22,612 in order to... 388 00:20:22,743 --> 00:20:24,571 satisfy him 389 00:20:24,701 --> 00:20:27,878 and keep myself around. 390 00:20:28,009 --> 00:20:32,056 JOVANTE: He promised her the world. 391 00:20:32,187 --> 00:20:35,495 And I believe he really tried to produce on some levels. 392 00:20:35,625 --> 00:20:37,279 I really do. 393 00:20:39,107 --> 00:20:40,804 TIA: I honestly cannot think of 394 00:20:40,935 --> 00:20:43,024 a time... 395 00:20:43,154 --> 00:20:46,070 that I was with Robert and we didn't have sex. 396 00:20:46,201 --> 00:20:48,159 It was all the time. 397 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:50,074 All the time. 398 00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:55,297 I mean, I-I hated it. 399 00:20:55,428 --> 00:20:57,256 I hate... I hated... 400 00:20:57,386 --> 00:21:00,563 I hated it. 401 00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:02,739 But I did it. 402 00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:05,655 Because I felt like I had... it's what I had to do. 403 00:21:10,399 --> 00:21:12,314 DEMETRIUS: Tiffany was a singer. 404 00:21:12,445 --> 00:21:14,882 Her relationship with Robert was-was music, and 405 00:21:15,012 --> 00:21:16,579 we introduced her to Aaliyah. 406 00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:23,194 And she began to sing background on Aaliyah's album. 407 00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:25,632 And-and that made her very happy 408 00:21:25,762 --> 00:21:28,417 because she wanted to be a singer, and she could sing. 409 00:21:28,548 --> 00:21:31,594 DeROGATIS: Aaliyah is key to everything. 410 00:21:31,725 --> 00:21:35,468 My understanding of what happened between Robert 411 00:21:35,598 --> 00:21:40,124 and Aaliyah Dana Haughton begins with Barry Hankerson, 412 00:21:40,255 --> 00:21:42,388 who was the manager 413 00:21:42,518 --> 00:21:46,130 who oversaw Kelly's rise to superstardom. 414 00:21:46,261 --> 00:21:49,133 He had a niece, Aaliyah Dana Haughton, 415 00:21:49,264 --> 00:21:53,921 and Hankerson paired Aaliyah with Kelly. 416 00:21:54,051 --> 00:21:56,445 And Kelly wrote, 417 00:21:56,576 --> 00:21:58,665 recorded, produced 418 00:21:58,795 --> 00:22:00,884 and titled Aaliyah's debut album, 419 00:22:01,015 --> 00:22:03,147 Age Ain't Nothing But A Number. 420 00:22:06,455 --> 00:22:08,849 We became really fast friends. 421 00:22:08,979 --> 00:22:11,199 My best friend, actually, um-- 422 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:13,636 she had a problem with Liyah because 423 00:22:13,767 --> 00:22:15,899 it went from her and I being very close 424 00:22:16,030 --> 00:22:19,163 to Liyah and I beingvery close. 425 00:22:19,294 --> 00:22:22,558 I did sing on her first album, as well as participated 426 00:22:22,689 --> 00:22:24,908 in the "At Your Best" video. 427 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:27,520 -♪ Let me know...♪ -♪ Let me know, let me know♪ 428 00:22:27,650 --> 00:22:29,304 ♪ Let me know...♪ 429 00:22:29,435 --> 00:22:32,960 TIA: And I got to tour with Aaliyah. 430 00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:36,267 Remember, he met Aaliyah when she was 13 years old. 431 00:22:38,095 --> 00:22:40,184 I don't think anyone ever suspected 432 00:22:40,315 --> 00:22:43,318 early on that they were having a sexual relationship 433 00:22:43,449 --> 00:22:46,974 because why would you suspect a grown man of having sex 434 00:22:47,104 --> 00:22:48,584 with a 13-year-old? 435 00:22:48,715 --> 00:22:50,412 NEWSMAN: Hip-hop star R. Kelly did 436 00:22:50,543 --> 00:22:52,066 indeed marry his protégé, 437 00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:53,633 the 15-year-old singer Aaliyah Haughton. 438 00:22:53,763 --> 00:22:55,635 And Aaliyah produced two pieces of ID 439 00:22:55,765 --> 00:22:57,376 that appeared to show her to be 18. 440 00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:03,382 TIA: When I found out that Robert and Aaliyah got married, 441 00:23:03,512 --> 00:23:05,209 I didn't care. 442 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:07,516 It didn't bother me 443 00:23:07,647 --> 00:23:09,779 because if someone else was sleeping with him, 444 00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:12,608 that was great, 'causeth. 445 00:23:16,525 --> 00:23:18,484 GEM: A few days after the fact, 446 00:23:18,614 --> 00:23:21,008 Aaliyah's father put a halt to all that. 447 00:23:21,138 --> 00:23:23,576 YEE: Even though, clearly, there were people that knew about it, 448 00:23:23,706 --> 00:23:25,142 it was something that was covered up. 449 00:23:25,273 --> 00:23:26,927 SARA AZARI: Aaliyah was 450 00:23:27,057 --> 00:23:29,146 the first person to have 451 00:23:29,277 --> 00:23:31,105 a signed nondisclosure agreement, 452 00:23:31,235 --> 00:23:33,368 known as an NDA, with Robert Kelly. 453 00:23:33,499 --> 00:23:36,197 An NDA-- what it is, 454 00:23:36,327 --> 00:23:41,028 is most of the time in a civil setting, 455 00:23:41,158 --> 00:23:42,986 if parties agree to a settlement 456 00:23:43,117 --> 00:23:44,684 and they don't want to share it 457 00:23:44,814 --> 00:23:46,729 with the public or other people, 458 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:50,298 both sides sign a nondisclosure agreement. 459 00:23:50,429 --> 00:23:53,432 So you can't talk about the terms of the settlement. 460 00:23:53,562 --> 00:23:55,434 You can't talk about how much money was paid 461 00:23:55,564 --> 00:23:57,131 by either party. 462 00:23:57,261 --> 00:23:58,872 That nondisclosure agreement 463 00:23:59,002 --> 00:24:00,526 became the most 464 00:24:00,656 --> 00:24:03,833 effective tool in R. Kelly's arsenal 465 00:24:03,964 --> 00:24:05,661 to continue his predatory practices. 466 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:15,410 DeROGATIS: The Aaliyah story's not mine to tell. 467 00:24:15,541 --> 00:24:17,717 I wish that Aaliyah's family would speak 468 00:24:17,847 --> 00:24:21,242 because I think there are so many 469 00:24:21,372 --> 00:24:24,680 young black girls who've been hurt, 470 00:24:24,811 --> 00:24:26,726 that what it would mean to know 471 00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:30,077 that Aaliyah was hurt that way, too. 472 00:24:38,041 --> 00:24:41,001 DAMON: I mean, you know, Aaliyah and I were 473 00:24:41,131 --> 00:24:42,350 seeing each other when she passed, 474 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:43,917 and we were very serious. 475 00:24:44,047 --> 00:24:45,614 You know, we had talked about getting married. 476 00:24:45,745 --> 00:24:47,050 You know, she was my best friend. 477 00:24:47,181 --> 00:24:48,661 You know, she taught me how to love 478 00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:50,445 to the extent that I know how to love now. 479 00:24:52,708 --> 00:24:56,190 You know, there's a lot of [bleep] up people out there. 480 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,932 She just said he was a bad man, and she left it at that. 481 00:24:59,062 --> 00:25:00,890 I'm just saying, it was... it was... 482 00:25:01,021 --> 00:25:02,631 It just made her so uncomfortable 483 00:25:02,762 --> 00:25:04,720 that she... and that I couldn't know about it, 484 00:25:04,851 --> 00:25:06,853 because it would've made me too uncomfortable not to try 485 00:25:06,983 --> 00:25:08,550 to rectify that situation. 486 00:25:08,681 --> 00:25:11,074 But I just wouldn't have been able to tolerate, 487 00:25:11,205 --> 00:25:13,642 you know, knowing certain things 488 00:25:13,773 --> 00:25:15,992 and being in the same room with certain people. 489 00:25:16,123 --> 00:25:18,517 You know what I mean? Unless they're begging me not to. 490 00:25:20,257 --> 00:25:22,216 S-So I had to get therapy over that. 491 00:25:25,872 --> 00:25:28,657 If, like, people would have protected Aaliyah, 492 00:25:28,788 --> 00:25:30,703 so many other girls wouldn't have got touched. 493 00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:32,487 You understand what I'm saying? 494 00:25:32,618 --> 00:25:35,185 And whether they know they're in a bad place or not, 495 00:25:35,316 --> 00:25:36,752 the fact that they were able to get touched meant 496 00:25:36,883 --> 00:25:38,537 they were in a bad place. 497 00:25:38,667 --> 00:25:40,408 And they would've been able to get help earlier. 498 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:42,584 You know, you shouldn't have to always learn from pain. 499 00:25:42,715 --> 00:25:45,892 Sometimes you can learn from other people. 500 00:25:46,022 --> 00:25:49,112 Like, Aaliyah was like the sacrificial lamb for all that, 501 00:25:49,243 --> 00:25:51,071 'cause she didn't deserve none of that. 502 00:25:51,201 --> 00:25:54,204 You know, was a good... a good, good soul, a good girl. 503 00:25:54,335 --> 00:25:55,858 And wasn't even really so, like, resentful. 504 00:25:55,989 --> 00:25:57,468 Like, "Let that man live, 505 00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:59,035 but just keep him the [bleep] away from me." 506 00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:00,559 That's all she wanted. 507 00:26:00,689 --> 00:26:02,561 She was just happy to be away. 508 00:26:02,691 --> 00:26:04,780 And you know, I-I know 509 00:26:04,911 --> 00:26:06,129 the whole story, you know what I'm saying? 510 00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:07,827 I know it was to cover up and all of that. 511 00:26:07,957 --> 00:26:09,480 But how did that cover it up? It just made the conversation 512 00:26:09,611 --> 00:26:11,482 less crazy, "Oh, he married a child"? 513 00:26:14,529 --> 00:26:16,400 So how you still...? How...? That was a headline. 514 00:26:16,531 --> 00:26:18,185 That was, like, a rumor. 515 00:26:18,315 --> 00:26:20,317 That was something talked about like it was normal. 516 00:26:20,448 --> 00:26:22,755 It wasn't like, "Ew, disgusting. You married a 13-year-old." 517 00:26:22,885 --> 00:26:25,105 It was like, "Oh, you married Aaliyah?" She's 13. 518 00:26:25,235 --> 00:26:27,150 -MALE PRODUCER: 15. -Yeah, but the 15 is 13, man. 519 00:26:27,281 --> 00:26:28,456 -Same [bleep] thing. -No. I-I just want to make sure 520 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,197 you're-you're absolutely accurate. 521 00:26:30,327 --> 00:26:31,851 Well, I don't have to be accurate 'cause I don't care. 522 00:26:31,981 --> 00:26:35,115 It's 15, 13. Anything under 18 is disgusting. 523 00:26:35,245 --> 00:26:37,683 You know what I mean? Like, that... She was a child, bro. 524 00:27:11,586 --> 00:27:16,765 I wound up going home after... 525 00:27:16,896 --> 00:27:18,593 It was some months. 526 00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:20,290 I wound up going back home 527 00:27:20,421 --> 00:27:23,032 because I was pregnant. 528 00:27:23,163 --> 00:27:25,165 DEMETRIUS: Yeah, I remember, uh, 529 00:27:25,295 --> 00:27:28,211 when Tiffany called me, and she was in pain, and 530 00:27:28,342 --> 00:27:30,083 I said, "Baby, you don't got to hurt. 531 00:27:30,213 --> 00:27:31,867 You don't got to do this." I said, "If that's Robert's baby, 532 00:27:31,998 --> 00:27:34,174 "then all you got to do is do this and do that. 533 00:27:34,304 --> 00:27:36,437 "And, um, there's people that'll help you with that. 534 00:27:36,567 --> 00:27:38,352 "He'll hurt. Make him hurt, honey. 535 00:27:38,482 --> 00:27:39,875 Don't you hurt over that." 536 00:27:40,006 --> 00:27:41,529 I don't want to see Tiffany hurt herself, 537 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,923 because Tiffany was signed to me as an artist. 538 00:27:44,053 --> 00:27:47,796 She had become pregnant, and she didn't know who the father was. 539 00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:51,017 And she wanted Kelly to take a paternity test. 540 00:27:51,147 --> 00:27:54,890 And so I was thinking, "Well, maybe I should ask him. 541 00:27:55,021 --> 00:27:57,240 All right, I'll ask him." 542 00:27:57,371 --> 00:27:59,286 And I called Robert. 543 00:27:59,416 --> 00:28:00,287 He was getting ready to go on stage. 544 00:28:01,984 --> 00:28:03,899 And he told me, 545 00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:08,643 "You and me both better know 546 00:28:08,774 --> 00:28:10,645 that that's not my baby." 547 00:28:13,169 --> 00:28:15,955 He actually took the time, he put the audience on hold, 548 00:28:16,085 --> 00:28:18,697 he put the show on hold to make sure 549 00:28:18,827 --> 00:28:22,788 that I understood what he needed me to understand-- 550 00:28:22,918 --> 00:28:27,009 that we were not going to take a blood test, 551 00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:29,185 and that if I thought 552 00:28:29,316 --> 00:28:31,405 that was his baby, 553 00:28:31,535 --> 00:28:34,190 I better quickly remove that from my mind. 554 00:28:34,321 --> 00:28:37,150 And I said, "Mm, okay." 555 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,543 And... 556 00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:42,329 he said, "Now tell me you love me." 557 00:28:43,547 --> 00:28:45,375 I said, "I love you." 558 00:28:45,506 --> 00:28:47,508 And when I got off the phone, I was like, 559 00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:50,032 thinking to myself, 560 00:28:50,163 --> 00:28:52,731 "How did that conversation wind up like that? 561 00:28:52,861 --> 00:28:54,863 "How did that conversation end up 562 00:28:54,994 --> 00:28:57,866 with me telling him I love him?" 563 00:28:57,997 --> 00:29:02,088 I was angry... with him 564 00:29:02,218 --> 00:29:04,133 because I really didn't understand 565 00:29:04,264 --> 00:29:06,092 why he wouldn't do that for me. 566 00:29:06,222 --> 00:29:09,008 There is a part of me that broke. 567 00:29:10,313 --> 00:29:12,228 Um... 568 00:29:13,926 --> 00:29:17,277 I-I did. I broke. 569 00:29:17,407 --> 00:29:20,193 DeROGATIS: Within weeks 570 00:29:20,323 --> 00:29:22,282 of that "last straw," as she called it, 571 00:29:22,412 --> 00:29:24,066 that conversation, 572 00:29:24,197 --> 00:29:25,633 she was depressed, and she tried to kill herself 573 00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:27,243 by taking a handful of pills. 574 00:29:27,374 --> 00:29:29,289 Her mother was home. 575 00:29:29,419 --> 00:29:31,421 She wound up in the hospital. 576 00:29:31,552 --> 00:29:34,990 It was a really bad period for her, as she tells it. 577 00:29:37,297 --> 00:29:39,342 DEMETRIUS: I said, "Tiffany, 578 00:29:39,473 --> 00:29:41,170 "you don't have to do this to yourself, you don't have 579 00:29:41,301 --> 00:29:43,042 "to hurt yourself. You can go to 580 00:29:43,172 --> 00:29:45,087 see people if Robert did this to you." 581 00:29:45,218 --> 00:29:47,307 I saw a commercial 582 00:29:47,437 --> 00:29:49,613 for Susan Loggans' firm. 583 00:29:49,744 --> 00:29:51,441 Hi. I'm attorney Susan E. Loggans. 584 00:29:51,572 --> 00:29:54,096 If you have a case, we will fight for you. 585 00:29:54,227 --> 00:29:56,577 I felt like I needed to be empowered 586 00:29:56,707 --> 00:29:57,796 because I felt like he had knocked me down. 587 00:29:57,926 --> 00:29:59,319 I wound up 588 00:29:59,449 --> 00:30:00,973 going into the office 589 00:30:01,103 --> 00:30:04,628 and speaking to Ian Alexander. 590 00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:07,675 Tiffany Hawkins was the first person 591 00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:09,938 to bring this to the attention of anybody, 592 00:30:10,069 --> 00:30:12,854 and nobody believed her. 593 00:30:12,985 --> 00:30:15,814 I think a grown man having sex with young girls 594 00:30:15,944 --> 00:30:18,904 repeatedly means that there is a problem. 595 00:30:19,034 --> 00:30:20,949 And I would think to myself, 596 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,082 "How is he still getting away with this? 597 00:30:23,212 --> 00:30:25,562 "Does not the whole world know 598 00:30:25,693 --> 00:30:27,826 that this man is a pedophile?" 599 00:30:27,956 --> 00:30:30,524 My witness list consisted 600 00:30:30,654 --> 00:30:33,135 of Aaliyah, Jovante 601 00:30:33,266 --> 00:30:36,095 and several other women, 602 00:30:36,225 --> 00:30:38,706 people in Robert's camp, definitely enough 603 00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:40,751 for me to be taken seriously. 604 00:30:40,882 --> 00:30:44,320 But I wasn't. 605 00:30:44,451 --> 00:30:49,064 I called and called and called the office 606 00:30:49,195 --> 00:30:51,501 of the state's attorney. Not a word back. 607 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,639 TIA: That was a big blowback. 608 00:30:58,769 --> 00:31:01,250 You know, like, the state has said, 609 00:31:01,381 --> 00:31:03,165 "With all this evidence, whatever. 610 00:31:03,296 --> 00:31:06,038 We don't care." 611 00:31:06,168 --> 00:31:07,648 We knew we had to take action 612 00:31:07,778 --> 00:31:09,345 when the state didn't do anything. 613 00:31:09,476 --> 00:31:12,044 What Kelly was doing was horrendous, 614 00:31:12,174 --> 00:31:14,089 was predatory, 615 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:17,223 was serial, and needed to be stopped. 616 00:31:17,353 --> 00:31:19,355 And so what we had to do was file 617 00:31:19,486 --> 00:31:22,489 a lawsuit against him and the people that he worked for. 618 00:31:29,278 --> 00:31:32,934 Tiffany Hawkins then files a civil suit. 619 00:31:33,065 --> 00:31:37,069 The major difference between criminal law and civil law 620 00:31:37,199 --> 00:31:40,463 is that criminal laws regulate crimes or wrongs 621 00:31:40,594 --> 00:31:42,291 committed against the government. 622 00:31:42,422 --> 00:31:45,642 Civil laws regulate disputes between private parties. 623 00:31:45,773 --> 00:31:47,514 ALEXANDER: We knew that 624 00:31:47,644 --> 00:31:51,257 our only avenue of redress was a civil lawsuit, 625 00:31:51,387 --> 00:31:52,519 seeking money damages. 626 00:31:52,649 --> 00:31:54,260 We sued R. Kelly. 627 00:31:54,390 --> 00:31:57,959 We sued Jive Records, Zomba, 628 00:31:58,090 --> 00:31:59,308 Blackground. We sued Kelly 629 00:31:59,439 --> 00:32:01,223 for the assault and battery. 630 00:32:01,354 --> 00:32:03,095 We sued all these other places for negligence. 631 00:32:04,531 --> 00:32:06,533 It's an imperfect system, 632 00:32:06,663 --> 00:32:08,100 but it's the best system that's out there, 633 00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:09,318 and it's what we have. 634 00:32:21,548 --> 00:32:24,333 DeROGATIS: Tiffany gave a deposition 635 00:32:24,464 --> 00:32:27,510 that was described to us as hair-raising, 636 00:32:27,641 --> 00:32:29,643 that lasted seven and a half hours. 637 00:32:29,773 --> 00:32:33,952 On the record, she testified that she had sex with R. Kelly 638 00:32:34,082 --> 00:32:36,258 while she was a minor, and that he knew it, and that... 639 00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:39,261 that he had sex with other minors in her presence, 640 00:32:39,392 --> 00:32:42,047 and she testified under oath 641 00:32:42,177 --> 00:32:44,353 that they engaged in group sexual encounters together 642 00:32:44,484 --> 00:32:45,964 with other minors. 643 00:32:46,094 --> 00:32:47,182 Kelly's lawyers 644 00:32:47,313 --> 00:32:48,749 threw me out of their office. 645 00:32:48,879 --> 00:32:50,098 So they knew 646 00:32:50,229 --> 00:32:51,230 they were screwed. 647 00:32:53,145 --> 00:32:56,104 R. Kelly and his lawyers quickly offered her 648 00:32:56,235 --> 00:32:59,281 a $250,000 cash settlement, 649 00:32:59,412 --> 00:33:03,633 contingent upon her signing a nondisclosure agreement. 650 00:33:03,764 --> 00:33:06,201 Bad men, particularly men who are accused of 651 00:33:06,332 --> 00:33:09,639 trafficking, abusing, raping young girls and women, 652 00:33:09,770 --> 00:33:11,728 there's usually some financial aspect 653 00:33:11,859 --> 00:33:14,209 that helps y-you evade justice. 654 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:17,996 You don't operate like that out in the open, essentially, 655 00:33:18,126 --> 00:33:20,999 for so long without some kind of monetary attachment. 656 00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:25,220 ALEXANDER: I left Susan Loggans' office 657 00:33:25,351 --> 00:33:27,309 because I always want to do my best, 658 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,269 and I really feel like I was denied the opportunity 659 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:33,750 to do the best for Tiffany Hawkins in this case. 660 00:33:33,881 --> 00:33:37,319 Paying money for silence victimizes women. 661 00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:39,800 Susan, as far as I know, 662 00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:42,672 has brokered settlements for silence 663 00:33:42,803 --> 00:33:45,719 for victims of R. Kelly's abuse. 664 00:33:45,849 --> 00:33:47,895 Do you know what your rights are? 665 00:33:48,026 --> 00:33:51,072 If you're not sure, call us and tell us the facts. 666 00:33:51,203 --> 00:33:54,162 Loggans began what I call a sort of settlement factory. 667 00:33:54,293 --> 00:33:56,469 Girls would come to her 668 00:33:56,599 --> 00:34:00,386 with charges of underage sexual contact with Kelly. 669 00:34:00,516 --> 00:34:03,519 She would send them to a private detective agency 670 00:34:03,650 --> 00:34:05,130 in suburban Hinsdale, 671 00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:06,957 make them take a lie detector test. 672 00:34:07,088 --> 00:34:08,524 A settlement would be struck, 673 00:34:08,655 --> 00:34:11,266 a nondisclosure agreement would be signed, 674 00:34:11,397 --> 00:34:14,443 and the girl promised never to speak about it. 675 00:34:14,574 --> 00:34:18,186 I believe there are more than a dozen of those settlements 676 00:34:18,317 --> 00:34:19,666 that we don't know about, 677 00:34:19,796 --> 00:34:21,450 because there were not court papers. 678 00:34:21,581 --> 00:34:23,626 Loggans has never given me the number. 679 00:34:23,757 --> 00:34:27,935 She has only said, "numerous," with a little bit of a smirk. 680 00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:30,329 TIA: You know, having the money was great. 681 00:34:30,459 --> 00:34:33,897 That did not take the pain away. 682 00:34:34,028 --> 00:34:36,422 It was not the-the end-all, be-all. You know? 683 00:34:36,552 --> 00:34:39,294 It didn't fix everything, like I thought it would. 684 00:34:39,425 --> 00:34:40,469 You know, it didn't fix everything. 685 00:34:44,386 --> 00:34:48,260 There were times, uh, during my lawsuit that I still, 686 00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:50,566 like, I wanted to make it go away. 687 00:34:50,697 --> 00:34:54,875 There was times where, oh, I-I wanted to go back to him. 688 00:35:00,446 --> 00:35:02,361 But, um-- 689 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,061 Yeah, there-- 690 00:35:07,192 --> 00:35:09,411 There was actually a time I called him. 691 00:35:09,542 --> 00:35:10,717 He got on the phone, 692 00:35:10,847 --> 00:35:13,763 and we talked probably for five minutes, 693 00:35:13,894 --> 00:35:16,679 and he said, "I don't think we should be talking." 694 00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:20,683 We got off the phone and, um... 695 00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:24,948 I haven't talked to him since then. 696 00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:27,037 Oftentimes, survivors of sexual violence 697 00:35:27,168 --> 00:35:29,779 do not want the perpetrator to go to prison. 698 00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:31,738 They want the harm to stop. 699 00:35:31,868 --> 00:35:35,307 They want the, uh, power dynamics to shift. 700 00:35:35,437 --> 00:35:36,960 Oftentimes they want to be loved, 701 00:35:37,091 --> 00:35:39,354 because these are also perpetrators who, uh, 702 00:35:39,485 --> 00:35:42,140 wooed them and-and swept them off their feet. 703 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:44,229 They consider to be a boyfriend, 704 00:35:44,359 --> 00:35:46,448 they consider to be someone who loves them. 705 00:35:46,579 --> 00:35:48,842 Consider to be somebody who's in their family. 706 00:35:48,972 --> 00:35:51,758 I wanted to run back to the Robert that took care of me. 707 00:35:51,888 --> 00:35:54,021 That-- The Robert that I thought loved me. 708 00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:57,111 You know? The Robert that, uh, 709 00:35:57,242 --> 00:35:59,635 I felt like protected me, you know? 710 00:35:59,766 --> 00:36:01,594 He didn't want me to be on the streets. 711 00:36:01,724 --> 00:36:04,292 And he didn't want me to be out there gangbanging. 712 00:36:04,423 --> 00:36:07,208 I felt like he wanted the best for me, 713 00:36:07,339 --> 00:36:09,776 and he just did not come through. 714 00:36:11,604 --> 00:36:13,780 So while all the sex was going on-- 715 00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:16,217 There was more sex 716 00:36:16,348 --> 00:36:19,002 and not enough singing. 717 00:36:19,133 --> 00:36:21,744 Part of her died with that lawsuit. 718 00:36:21,875 --> 00:36:25,966 She gave up her opportunity to become a recording artist. 719 00:36:26,096 --> 00:36:28,621 She gave up her friendship with Robert. 720 00:36:28,751 --> 00:36:30,710 She gave up everything that made her smile. 721 00:36:33,887 --> 00:36:37,412 She gave up her love for the sound of music. 722 00:36:40,459 --> 00:36:42,374 The music don't play the same way to her no more. 723 00:36:46,334 --> 00:36:48,771 Her dream ended with the lawsuit. 724 00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:50,643 The beat stopped. 725 00:36:54,081 --> 00:36:57,606 Tiffany couldn't dance worth a darn. 726 00:36:57,737 --> 00:37:01,349 But Tiffany could sing. 727 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,526 She stopped singing. 728 00:37:04,657 --> 00:37:07,312 She tried. It just-- 729 00:37:07,442 --> 00:37:09,009 The passion wasn't there anymore. 730 00:37:09,139 --> 00:37:12,273 We're grown girls, 731 00:37:12,404 --> 00:37:15,755 but we're still little girls that cry silently. 732 00:37:15,885 --> 00:37:20,325 If you weren't there, you'd never understand it. 733 00:37:50,877 --> 00:37:53,227 ORareer, 734 00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:55,360 since he became a hitmaker for labels, 735 00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:57,710 and a moneymaker for a lot of people, 736 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,714 he has been protected by innumerable forces. 737 00:38:01,844 --> 00:38:03,455 There were absolutely enablers. 738 00:38:03,585 --> 00:38:06,545 Without going to real specific with names, but management? 739 00:38:06,675 --> 00:38:07,633 Oh, absolutely. He couldn't-- 740 00:38:07,763 --> 00:38:09,417 He couldn't do this by himself. 741 00:38:09,548 --> 00:38:12,725 Everyone knew, or most people in that camp knew 742 00:38:12,855 --> 00:38:16,772 that a lot of these girls were underage. 743 00:38:16,903 --> 00:38:20,733 I remember being called into Jive late one night. 744 00:38:20,863 --> 00:38:24,519 We were brought into a conference room, 745 00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:26,695 and they said, "Hey, guys, we-we have a problem." 746 00:38:31,657 --> 00:38:32,832 REPORTER: As for the video, 747 00:38:32,962 --> 00:38:35,487 it's now the hottest-selling tape and DVD 748 00:38:35,617 --> 00:38:37,097 on the black market. 749 00:38:37,227 --> 00:38:39,186 DeROGATIS: The stuff that's going on in the tape, 750 00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:40,927 it's horrifying. 751 00:38:41,057 --> 00:38:45,018 During the time of the explosive tape, 752 00:38:45,148 --> 00:38:47,629 I remember them playing 753 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,370 15, 20 seconds. 754 00:38:52,155 --> 00:38:55,594 At that point, my bosses said, "We've seen enough." 755 00:38:55,724 --> 00:38:57,726 You know, there are just some things that 756 00:38:57,857 --> 00:38:59,467 I think you can't un-see. 757 00:38:59,598 --> 00:39:02,252 Right now, I can see 758 00:39:02,383 --> 00:39:06,822 those 12 to 15 seconds that I watched. 759 00:39:06,953 --> 00:39:08,084 I can see the record... 760 00:39:08,215 --> 00:39:11,261 the gold record plaques in the background, 761 00:39:11,392 --> 00:39:12,828 I can hear the squeaking of the chair. 762 00:39:12,959 --> 00:39:15,788 I can remember what she was wearing and what she wasn't. 763 00:39:15,918 --> 00:39:19,008 I remember seeing the camera being set up, 764 00:39:19,139 --> 00:39:21,750 and the focus being-being set up. 765 00:39:21,881 --> 00:39:24,623 In a panic, you know, they said to me and another executive, 766 00:39:24,753 --> 00:39:26,755 "You guys need to go to Chicago, 767 00:39:26,886 --> 00:39:29,367 and you guys need to buy up all the tapes you can find." 768 00:39:29,497 --> 00:39:32,500 And we did. We went to Chicago, 769 00:39:32,631 --> 00:39:35,851 and, you know, I-I felt like I was back on the block. 770 00:39:35,982 --> 00:39:38,158 Like, "Yo, what you got, son?" you know, kind of thing. 771 00:39:38,288 --> 00:39:39,725 [chuckles] You know, and-- 772 00:39:39,855 --> 00:39:41,857 And just buying up as many tapes as you could. 773 00:39:41,988 --> 00:39:44,817 And I remember one of my bosses telling me that, 774 00:39:44,947 --> 00:39:47,254 "Jimmy, don't get caught up, 775 00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:49,778 because if Rob goes down, people are gonna get fired." 776 00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:51,563 I was like, "Well, why? You know, it's not our fault." 777 00:39:51,693 --> 00:39:52,955 You know, and he said, 778 00:39:53,086 --> 00:39:54,261 "Rob keeps the lights on around here." 779 00:39:56,350 --> 00:39:57,960 And I confronted Rob 780 00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,006 about it one day. 781 00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:01,747 He and I sat down, and he said to me, 782 00:40:01,877 --> 00:40:04,532 "Jimmy, you know, it wasn't me." 783 00:40:04,663 --> 00:40:06,882 You know, uh, he said, "It was my brother." 784 00:40:07,013 --> 00:40:08,536 And he said it was his twin brother. 785 00:40:08,667 --> 00:40:11,931 He was so believable 786 00:40:12,061 --> 00:40:14,847 that I, in my head-- 787 00:40:14,977 --> 00:40:17,327 I'll never forget this, I said to my friend, 788 00:40:17,458 --> 00:40:20,243 I was like, "Yo, you know what? 789 00:40:20,374 --> 00:40:21,897 "I never actually asked him if he had a twin brother, 790 00:40:22,028 --> 00:40:25,205 so maybe he did have a twin brother." 791 00:40:25,335 --> 00:40:26,989 And then you-you start to go back, and I'm like, 792 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,905 "Okay, Jimmy, you were-you were being manipulated." 793 00:40:30,036 --> 00:40:32,691 Because I have this powerful individual 794 00:40:32,821 --> 00:40:37,086 that I'm revering, and I accepted the fact 795 00:40:37,217 --> 00:40:39,872 that something that he said didn't make sense. 796 00:40:40,002 --> 00:40:41,700 Because... I don't want it to be real. 797 00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:44,529 I don't want this to be happening to you. 798 00:40:46,922 --> 00:40:49,795 CAREY KELLY: I hadn't been around Robert since 1996. 799 00:40:49,925 --> 00:40:51,666 I hadn't been around Robert. 800 00:40:51,797 --> 00:40:53,102 I hadn't been on tour with him, 801 00:40:53,233 --> 00:40:55,061 I hadn't, you know, been to concerts. 802 00:40:55,191 --> 00:40:58,194 I hadn't seen Robert in, in years. 803 00:40:58,325 --> 00:41:01,459 And then my name end up being brought up in the situation. 804 00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:04,200 BRUCE KELLY: Ed Genson got on television and said that 805 00:41:04,331 --> 00:41:07,769 the guy in the video looks like his-his younger brother as well. 806 00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:09,467 It could be possibly be him. 807 00:41:09,597 --> 00:41:12,382 Carey got-- He was furious. 808 00:41:12,513 --> 00:41:14,776 My brother wanted me to do some [bleep], man, 809 00:41:14,907 --> 00:41:16,430 pertaining to this case 810 00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:17,866 that was gonna leave me behind bars. 811 00:41:17,997 --> 00:41:19,433 You know what I'm saying? To lie. 812 00:41:19,564 --> 00:41:21,479 To perjure myself in a court of law. 813 00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:23,872 His attorney said that it was me in the videotape. 814 00:41:24,003 --> 00:41:25,526 -WILLIAMS: What? -CAREY: That was their argument. 815 00:41:25,657 --> 00:41:27,049 He never came forth and said, 816 00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:28,834 "Hey, you know what y'all hearing, it's not true." 817 00:41:28,964 --> 00:41:31,489 This is realreal. 818 00:41:31,619 --> 00:41:33,578 This is, this is not a joke. It's not a game. 819 00:41:33,708 --> 00:41:35,449 This is my life. 820 00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:38,191 And I know my mama turning over in her grave, 821 00:41:38,321 --> 00:41:42,935 because this is not how she meant it to be for us. 822 00:41:43,065 --> 00:41:47,026 BRUCE: I arranged for Robert and Carey to talk. 823 00:41:47,156 --> 00:41:51,378 So we went out to his house in Olympia Fields... 824 00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:53,902 When I got there, it's only him 825 00:41:54,033 --> 00:41:56,209 in this big, long room in his house, 826 00:41:56,339 --> 00:41:58,733 in-in his swimming pool. 827 00:41:58,864 --> 00:42:02,563 You just want me to just get in the swimming pool with you? 828 00:42:02,694 --> 00:42:04,130 Robert asked me to get in the pool 829 00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:06,045 because he thought that I was wearing a wire. 830 00:42:06,175 --> 00:42:10,005 And that's why I came out and said it to him. 831 00:42:10,136 --> 00:42:12,181 I said, "Man, if you want to ask me that am I wearing a wire, 832 00:42:12,312 --> 00:42:14,009 just say it; be a man." 833 00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:17,491 He was asking me, "Man, you need to say that was you." 834 00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:19,537 Commit a crime, pretty much, 835 00:42:19,667 --> 00:42:22,670 to say that was me on the tape with a minor. 836 00:42:22,801 --> 00:42:25,978 Perjure myself in a court of law, um, you know, 837 00:42:26,108 --> 00:42:28,458 and-and risk jail time for some stuff that I ain't... 838 00:42:28,589 --> 00:42:30,678 that didn't have anything to do with me. 839 00:42:30,809 --> 00:42:32,027 "You need to say this and that and the other. 840 00:42:32,158 --> 00:42:33,725 "I'll buy you a car, I'll buy you-- 841 00:42:33,855 --> 00:42:36,597 I'll get you a record deal, and-and $50,000." 842 00:42:36,728 --> 00:42:38,294 I said, "Man, let me tell you something, man." 843 00:42:38,425 --> 00:42:41,950 I said, "You ain't got enough money for me to say that's me. 844 00:42:42,081 --> 00:42:44,997 'Cause it ain't worth me selling my soul." 845 00:42:51,438 --> 00:42:53,222 MAN: Mr. Kelly has been indicted. 846 00:42:53,353 --> 00:42:55,529 There's been a warrant issued for his arrest, 847 00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:57,313 and the Chicago police department is currently 848 00:42:57,444 --> 00:43:00,752 seeking to arrest Mr. Kelly. 849 00:43:00,882 --> 00:43:02,318 DeROGATIS: Florida sheriff's officers arrive 850 00:43:02,449 --> 00:43:05,713 to serve the Illinois warrant and arrest Kelly. 851 00:43:05,844 --> 00:43:09,108 When they arrested him, 852 00:43:09,238 --> 00:43:10,718 they searched the party house 853 00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:14,635 and found-- in a gym bag, 854 00:43:14,766 --> 00:43:17,464 behind a door marked "Private - Do Not Enter"-- 855 00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:19,074 an early digital camera. 856 00:43:19,205 --> 00:43:20,641 And they confiscated that camera, 857 00:43:20,772 --> 00:43:22,904 and on that camera were pictures of Kelly 858 00:43:23,035 --> 00:43:26,168 with an underage girl and a legal-age woman. 859 00:43:26,299 --> 00:43:28,736 He was further indicted in Florida 860 00:43:28,867 --> 00:43:29,955 for additional counts 861 00:43:30,085 --> 00:43:31,609 of child pornography. 862 00:43:31,739 --> 00:43:35,177 He had an incredible stroke of good fortune. 863 00:43:35,308 --> 00:43:37,005 The judge in that case 864 00:43:37,136 --> 00:43:40,313 decided, six months or so down the road, 865 00:43:40,443 --> 00:43:43,446 that the sheriff's officers had done 866 00:43:43,577 --> 00:43:45,535 an illegal search and seizure. 867 00:43:45,666 --> 00:43:49,104 Even though they were coming to arrest a man 868 00:43:49,235 --> 00:43:51,585 on charges of making child pornography, 869 00:43:51,716 --> 00:43:53,848 and they found more child pornography, 870 00:43:53,979 --> 00:43:55,328 the judge kicked that case out. 871 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,315 rity, 872 00:44:26,446 --> 00:44:28,666 and because he had money, 873 00:44:28,796 --> 00:44:30,232 he could get the best lawyers. 874 00:44:30,363 --> 00:44:31,494 And lawyers know how 875 00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:34,062 to slow down the system. 876 00:44:34,193 --> 00:44:37,413 And this case, they made the wheels of justice turn slowly. 877 00:44:37,544 --> 00:44:40,373 In February 2002, we were fairly certain 878 00:44:40,503 --> 00:44:44,159 when the trial was set to begin, he's nailed, he's done. 879 00:44:44,290 --> 00:44:48,468 Usually, it's months between indictment and trial, 880 00:44:48,598 --> 00:44:50,426 especially in-in sex crimes. 881 00:44:50,557 --> 00:44:52,777 Kelly had four top attorneys 882 00:44:52,907 --> 00:44:54,909 who charged him $850 an hour-- 883 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,696 untold billable hours-- for six years. 884 00:44:58,826 --> 00:45:00,306 There was a lot of money being made, 885 00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:02,830 and they successfully dragged their feet. 886 00:45:02,961 --> 00:45:06,616 Every day they delay taking this case to court, 887 00:45:06,747 --> 00:45:09,619 the girl who was 14 on video gets older 888 00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:12,710 and looks less like a teenager, if she ever testified. 889 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,017 Most victims of sexual violence 890 00:45:16,148 --> 00:45:20,718 do not find justice through the legal system. 891 00:45:20,848 --> 00:45:23,329 And he was a person of great significance, 892 00:45:23,459 --> 00:45:26,724 and he was accused of hurting a group of people 893 00:45:26,854 --> 00:45:31,380 that has been less protected and valued, perhaps, 894 00:45:31,511 --> 00:45:34,340 than-than nearly any other group of people in this country. 895 00:45:36,211 --> 00:45:37,430 DeROGATIS: There were four public lawsuits 896 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,953 by the time he went to trial. 897 00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:43,349 Tiffany Hawkins was a wake-up call. 898 00:45:43,479 --> 00:45:46,091 REPORTER: According to a civil suit, Kelly began having sex 899 00:45:46,221 --> 00:45:47,483 with a 15-year-old student. 900 00:45:47,614 --> 00:45:51,052 You're sued, you settle, it goes away. 901 00:45:51,183 --> 00:45:54,055 Aaliyah is a wake-up call. 902 00:45:54,186 --> 00:45:56,841 Hip-hop star R. Kelly did indeed marry his protégé, 903 00:45:56,971 --> 00:45:58,930 the 15-year-old singer Aaliyah Haughton. 904 00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:01,280 DR. JOAN MORGAN: By the time he got around to marrying Aaliyah, 905 00:46:01,410 --> 00:46:03,108 who was 15 at the time, 906 00:46:03,238 --> 00:46:05,893 it was like, there is something wrong with him 907 00:46:06,024 --> 00:46:07,590 that y'all are not seeing. 908 00:46:07,721 --> 00:46:09,679 DeROGATIS: Tracy Sampson-- 909 00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:11,159 her sexual contact 910 00:46:11,290 --> 00:46:13,422 begins with Kelly when she is 17. 911 00:46:13,553 --> 00:46:16,338 Patrice Jones-- at age 17, 912 00:46:16,469 --> 00:46:17,992 she became pregnant 913 00:46:18,123 --> 00:46:19,994 and Kelly forced her to have an abortion. 914 00:46:20,125 --> 00:46:23,084 A fourth public lawsuit-- Montina Woods 915 00:46:23,215 --> 00:46:24,520 had sex with Kelly. 916 00:46:24,651 --> 00:46:26,522 It was videotaped without her knowledge. 917 00:46:26,653 --> 00:46:28,133 None of the civil lawsuits-- 918 00:46:28,263 --> 00:46:30,700 Sampson, Hawkins, Jones, Woods-- 919 00:46:30,831 --> 00:46:32,790 were ever mentioned in court. 920 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,968 Gaughan had methodically narrowed the prosecution case 921 00:46:37,098 --> 00:46:39,274 to one girl on one videotape. 922 00:46:40,972 --> 00:46:42,712 LINDSEY PERRYMAN-DUNN: When I began working 923 00:46:42,843 --> 00:46:45,585 at R. Kelly's home in Olympia Fields, 924 00:46:45,715 --> 00:46:47,456 there was this young girl playing in the backyard. 925 00:46:47,587 --> 00:46:51,721 Her family had a very close relationship with Robert. 926 00:46:51,852 --> 00:46:54,376 Uh, she would have been 14 or 15, 927 00:46:54,507 --> 00:46:57,118 because the timing of it, 928 00:46:57,249 --> 00:46:59,599 why I know, is that Robert bought her 929 00:46:59,729 --> 00:47:02,297 her first car when she was 16. 930 00:47:02,428 --> 00:47:04,865 There were times that this young girl slept over 931 00:47:04,996 --> 00:47:06,345 in the studio. 932 00:47:06,475 --> 00:47:08,521 But that wasn't alone. 933 00:47:08,651 --> 00:47:10,566 It was with a family member. 934 00:47:10,697 --> 00:47:12,307 And that's because her dad was there 935 00:47:12,438 --> 00:47:16,834 to play guitar at night on the songs. 936 00:47:16,964 --> 00:47:20,794 I never felt a need to report anything suspicious. 937 00:47:20,925 --> 00:47:24,145 I never saw anything that looked weird or odd. 938 00:47:24,276 --> 00:47:26,974 I never saw anything that made me uncomfortable. 939 00:47:27,105 --> 00:47:30,195 And I never felt the need to call 911. 940 00:47:32,327 --> 00:47:34,242 ♪ 941 00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:37,724 My name is Dylan Ely. 942 00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:41,249 I was R. Kelly's engineer at a studio, 943 00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:43,599 Chicago Trax, and also at his house. 944 00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:45,210 When the sex tape came out, 945 00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:48,778 you know, like, you hear someone knocking on the door, 946 00:47:48,909 --> 00:47:50,563 and-and that's very typical. 947 00:47:50,693 --> 00:47:53,131 Like, I actually, like, know the guy that-- 948 00:47:53,261 --> 00:47:55,046 You could recognize his voice, like, that was knocking 949 00:47:55,176 --> 00:47:57,048 on the door. And, like, you would knock on the door, 950 00:47:57,178 --> 00:47:58,832 and he would-- they would have a message for Rob. 951 00:47:58,963 --> 00:48:01,226 And so that's, like, happening while the, 952 00:48:01,356 --> 00:48:02,575 like, tape is 953 00:48:02,705 --> 00:48:04,577 kind of happening, too. 954 00:48:04,707 --> 00:48:06,535 Really, nothing changed, 955 00:48:06,666 --> 00:48:08,668 as far as how we were working. I mean, 956 00:48:08,798 --> 00:48:10,496 it was like-- it came out, but, of course, 957 00:48:10,626 --> 00:48:13,151 we didn't say anything about it, of course. 958 00:48:13,281 --> 00:48:15,327 You know, it was like business as usual. 959 00:48:15,457 --> 00:48:18,330 And the time leading up to the trial, 960 00:48:18,460 --> 00:48:20,898 I think we actually worked probably a little bit more. 961 00:48:21,028 --> 00:48:22,638 I mean, I would assume he was, you know, 962 00:48:22,769 --> 00:48:24,292 maybe working to kind of keep his mind 963 00:48:24,423 --> 00:48:27,252 off of, you know, the proceedings and, 964 00:48:27,382 --> 00:48:29,036 you know, all that kind of stuff. 965 00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:34,346 There was this one day. 966 00:48:34,476 --> 00:48:36,783 We were in the control room at Trax, 967 00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:38,524 uh, watching Chappelle's Show. 968 00:48:38,654 --> 00:48:40,352 You know, Rob was in there. 969 00:48:40,482 --> 00:48:43,572 We would, you know, watch the show pretty religiously. 970 00:48:43,703 --> 00:48:46,924 And the Chappelle's Show-- the famous skit came on, 971 00:48:47,054 --> 00:48:49,665 where he's spoofing, you know, the R. Kelly sex tape. 972 00:48:49,796 --> 00:48:51,493 -♪ I want to pee on you♪ -[laughter] 973 00:48:51,624 --> 00:48:54,018 ♪ Yes, I do♪ 974 00:48:54,148 --> 00:48:57,021 ♪ Yes, I do, I'll pee on you.♪ 975 00:48:57,151 --> 00:48:58,631 DYLAN: Rob was just... 976 00:48:58,761 --> 00:49:02,026 He didn't say, "Turn it off." He just, like-- 977 00:49:02,156 --> 00:49:04,332 He watched the thing, and it was, like, 978 00:49:04,463 --> 00:49:08,162 awkward silence for... a while. 979 00:49:08,293 --> 00:49:10,730 I mean... 980 00:49:10,860 --> 00:49:12,993 it felt like forever. 981 00:49:13,124 --> 00:49:14,168 Um... 982 00:49:14,299 --> 00:49:15,953 You know, everyone's like, 983 00:49:16,083 --> 00:49:18,259 "Oh, [bleep]." 984 00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:19,782 You know? 985 00:49:19,913 --> 00:49:21,393 It was, uh... 986 00:49:21,523 --> 00:49:25,136 It was pretty intense and pretty crazy. 987 00:49:25,266 --> 00:49:27,399 Rob is probably 988 00:49:27,529 --> 00:49:33,100 the weirdest/most intense/ most demanding 989 00:49:33,231 --> 00:49:35,102 artist I've ever worked for. 990 00:49:35,233 --> 00:49:37,800 Leading up to the trial, there were two women 991 00:49:37,931 --> 00:49:40,455 that lived pretty much full-time in the garage. 992 00:49:40,586 --> 00:49:41,979 They were there 993 00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:44,764 as long as I was working at Olympia Fields. 994 00:49:44,894 --> 00:49:46,984 I think it was kind of an unwritten rule 995 00:49:47,114 --> 00:49:49,638 that they weren't supposed to talk to us 996 00:49:49,769 --> 00:49:52,032 and we weren't supposed to talk to them. 997 00:49:52,163 --> 00:49:54,992 I know very specifically that the one that I would think 998 00:49:55,122 --> 00:49:56,515 was the youngest one, 999 00:49:56,645 --> 00:49:58,604 I know specifically that she was 21, 1000 00:49:58,734 --> 00:50:01,476 'cause we had to buy a 21-year-old birthday cake 1001 00:50:01,607 --> 00:50:04,436 one time and-and deliver it. 1002 00:50:04,566 --> 00:50:07,178 I'm pretty sure that the-the birthday cake, 1003 00:50:07,308 --> 00:50:10,964 the 21st birthday cake, that we delivered to the, um... 1004 00:50:11,095 --> 00:50:13,445 the garage was for the girl from the tape. 1005 00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:15,664 DeROGATIS: During the trial, 1006 00:50:15,795 --> 00:50:17,405 the girl on the tape 1007 00:50:17,536 --> 00:50:19,929 continued to be part of Kelly's circle, 1008 00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:22,149 to come around, to stay with Kelly. 1009 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,151 When I found out that the girl from the tape 1010 00:50:24,282 --> 00:50:26,849 was living in the garage, it was kind of like, 1011 00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:29,896 "Wow, that's... some balls, for sure." 1012 00:50:30,027 --> 00:50:33,552 Um, so, yeah, it was-- it was a little bit crazy. 1013 00:50:38,339 --> 00:50:40,211 LINDSEY: When I was forced 1014 00:50:40,341 --> 00:50:42,561 to testify against R. Kelly, 1015 00:50:42,691 --> 00:50:45,477 they asked me at the time, "Was the girl in the tape 1016 00:50:45,607 --> 00:50:47,087 [bleep]?" 1017 00:50:47,218 --> 00:50:49,568 And after what I saw and was forced in the room 1018 00:50:49,698 --> 00:50:52,266 to see, 1019 00:50:52,397 --> 00:50:54,921 I said, "Yes. That's her." 1020 00:50:55,052 --> 00:50:57,315 "Is that R. Kelly in the video?" 1021 00:50:57,445 --> 00:51:00,666 "I think so. Yes, I-I think so." 1022 00:51:00,796 --> 00:51:02,233 "Well, how-- Can you be sure?" 1023 00:51:02,363 --> 00:51:04,104 Well, like, 20 years old, 1024 00:51:04,235 --> 00:51:06,280 you're scared to death. 1025 00:51:06,411 --> 00:51:10,458 But what I can speculate on at this point in time in my life 1026 00:51:10,589 --> 00:51:12,243 is that, watching that video, 1027 00:51:12,373 --> 00:51:16,551 I did watch two consensual people having sex. 1028 00:51:16,682 --> 00:51:18,379 I did not watch a rape. 1029 00:51:19,685 --> 00:51:21,600 MORGAN: Sex with minors 1030 00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:24,429 and the issue of consent, we have a legal system 1031 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:26,909 that says that they are not allowed to consent. 1032 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,521 So, if they're not consenting 1033 00:51:29,651 --> 00:51:31,566 by virtue-- even virtue of age, 1034 00:51:31,697 --> 00:51:32,872 it's a rape. 1035 00:51:33,002 --> 00:51:34,830 What we're talking about here is 1036 00:51:34,961 --> 00:51:38,660 adults who are trying to... 1037 00:51:38,791 --> 00:51:42,055 create an argument to have sex with children. 1038 00:51:42,186 --> 00:51:44,101 There is no need for it. 1039 00:51:44,231 --> 00:51:48,540 The very foundation for that argument is moot. 1040 00:51:48,670 --> 00:51:52,326 There were 14 witnesses who testified to some knowledge 1041 00:51:52,457 --> 00:51:56,156 of the girl on the tape, starting at age 13. 1042 00:51:56,287 --> 00:51:58,506 At age 14, she is, when the videotape is made, 1043 00:51:58,637 --> 00:52:00,160 according to the state of Illinois, 1044 00:52:00,291 --> 00:52:01,770 being raped by R. Kelly. 1045 00:52:01,901 --> 00:52:04,121 But the jury never saw the victim. 1046 00:52:04,251 --> 00:52:08,125 The jury never heard from the victim's mother and father. 1047 00:52:12,781 --> 00:52:16,394 AVENATTI: The victim depicted in the videotape and her family 1048 00:52:16,524 --> 00:52:20,093 received over $2 million in financial benefits 1049 00:52:20,224 --> 00:52:22,356 for obstructing justice and assisting R. Kelly 1050 00:52:22,487 --> 00:52:24,053 in beating those charges. 1051 00:52:32,932 --> 00:52:36,153 DeROGATIS: You're tried with almost half an hour of crystal clear video 1052 00:52:36,283 --> 00:52:40,331 of you sexually violating a 14-year-old girl, 1053 00:52:40,461 --> 00:52:42,246 and you're acquitted. 1054 00:52:42,376 --> 00:52:45,423 You think that this man would've stopped. 1055 00:52:45,553 --> 00:52:48,339 But there always was talk of other tapes. 1056 00:52:48,469 --> 00:52:50,341 ♪ 1057 00:53:18,151 --> 00:53:20,980 moring] 1058 00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:21,981 ANGELA YEE: After R. Kelly's trial 1059 00:53:22,111 --> 00:53:25,071 in 2008, he was back to the races. 1060 00:53:25,202 --> 00:53:27,639 Making hit albums, 1061 00:53:27,769 --> 00:53:30,076 appearances, endorsements. 1062 00:53:30,207 --> 00:53:32,687 People really believed that he didn't do anything wrong. 1063 00:53:32,818 --> 00:53:35,429 LEMIEUX: At the 2010 Soul Train Awards, 1064 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,736 he was allowed to perform 1065 00:53:37,866 --> 00:53:40,129 a tribute to Sam Cooke. 1066 00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:43,611 He sort of made a decision to go deeper into his Pied Piper, 1067 00:53:43,742 --> 00:53:46,527 dirty uncle type of persona. 1068 00:53:46,658 --> 00:53:48,268 He appears two subsequent weekends 1069 00:53:48,399 --> 00:53:50,183 at Coachella. 1070 00:53:50,314 --> 00:53:52,577 He headlines Bonnaroo, and he headlines 1071 00:53:52,707 --> 00:53:54,361 the Pitchfork Music Festival, 1072 00:53:54,492 --> 00:53:56,711 being embraced by the white hipsters. 1073 00:53:56,842 --> 00:53:58,844 People looked at it like, "Well, he wasn't charged. 1074 00:53:58,974 --> 00:54:01,150 He didn't go to jail for that. He was innocent." 1075 00:54:01,281 --> 00:54:03,544 DeROGATIS: All of this because the trial in 2008 was reduced 1076 00:54:03,675 --> 00:54:04,763 to one girl 1077 00:54:04,893 --> 00:54:06,068 on one videotape. 1078 00:54:08,288 --> 00:54:11,422 You would think, after the first time that he went to trial, 1079 00:54:11,552 --> 00:54:12,901 something might have clicked 1080 00:54:13,032 --> 00:54:14,990 for R. Kelly. 1081 00:54:15,121 --> 00:54:18,255 But he was still making videos. 1082 00:54:18,385 --> 00:54:21,301 BRUCE: Robert was always videoing stuff. 1083 00:54:21,432 --> 00:54:24,043 He was always videoing stuff, so... 1084 00:54:24,173 --> 00:54:26,480 I know he would make tapes 1085 00:54:26,611 --> 00:54:29,004 of himself with women and so forth. 1086 00:54:32,399 --> 00:54:34,619 I don't-- I don't think so. 1087 00:54:34,749 --> 00:54:36,621 I don't-- I don't think so. 1088 00:54:36,751 --> 00:54:39,580 I think, i-if he did, I think they-they knew. 1089 00:54:39,711 --> 00:54:41,669 I-I mean, because... 1090 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,064 [stammers] Yeah, they-they knew they were getting taped. 1091 00:54:45,194 --> 00:54:46,413 Yeah. 1092 00:54:47,806 --> 00:54:49,547 He would never ask me if, 1093 00:54:49,677 --> 00:54:51,505 um, it was okay to be filmed. 1094 00:54:51,636 --> 00:54:53,290 You don't know that he's filming you. 1095 00:54:53,420 --> 00:54:55,074 He's never asked permission to film. 1096 00:55:00,471 --> 00:55:01,689 He did. 1097 00:55:02,951 --> 00:55:05,084 He recorded me one time 1098 00:55:05,214 --> 00:55:09,567 having-having, uh, sex with, uh, two women. 1099 00:55:09,697 --> 00:55:12,396 I didn't know that the-- it was being videoed, though. 1100 00:55:12,526 --> 00:55:14,615 He set me up. 1101 00:55:14,746 --> 00:55:17,226 I knew the next day, 'cause he showed it to me. 1102 00:55:19,751 --> 00:55:21,579 Yeah. 1103 00:55:21,709 --> 00:55:24,103 I think he did it as a joke. 1104 00:55:24,233 --> 00:55:25,887 He said, "Y'all know I'm doing a movie. 1105 00:55:26,018 --> 00:55:28,281 It's called Dumb Looks." 1106 00:55:28,412 --> 00:55:31,284 And, uh, he put the video on, and... 1107 00:55:31,415 --> 00:55:33,504 I'm... 1108 00:55:33,634 --> 00:55:36,420 "Man, you was videotaping me?" 1109 00:55:36,550 --> 00:55:39,858 And I'm-- So many dumb looks on my face. 1110 00:55:39,988 --> 00:55:44,558 You know, I guess that's why he called it Dumb Looks. 1111 00:55:48,301 --> 00:55:49,737 Carey happened 1112 00:55:49,868 --> 00:55:53,437 to, uh, come across a videotape. 1113 00:55:53,567 --> 00:55:57,441 At one point, uh, we were in Miami for about three months. 1114 00:55:57,571 --> 00:55:59,312 He was doing his-- one of his albums there. 1115 00:56:01,836 --> 00:56:06,058 I think it was, like, '95. 1116 00:56:06,188 --> 00:56:08,016 Robert had bought the movie Stephen King's 1117 00:56:08,147 --> 00:56:09,714 Sometimes They Come Back... Again-- 1118 00:56:09,844 --> 00:56:12,238 horror movie-- on VHS. 1119 00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,153 And so we like, "Rob, man, 1120 00:56:14,283 --> 00:56:16,111 can-can your brothers watch that movie with you, man?" 1121 00:56:16,242 --> 00:56:18,375 He said, "Man, y'all got to buy y'all own." 1122 00:56:18,505 --> 00:56:21,421 And I took the tape back to Chicago. 1123 00:56:21,552 --> 00:56:25,556 I'm not knowing that what's on this tape 1124 00:56:25,686 --> 00:56:27,035 is not Stephen King no more. 1125 00:56:27,166 --> 00:56:31,518 And I put the tape in, 1126 00:56:31,649 --> 00:56:33,346 and what's on this tape is these little girls 1127 00:56:33,477 --> 00:56:34,869 that he done filmed over. 1128 00:56:36,654 --> 00:56:38,220 He asked 1129 00:56:38,351 --> 00:56:40,266 these girls on this tape, you know, "How old are you?" 1130 00:56:40,397 --> 00:56:42,399 It's like he was interviewing them. 1131 00:56:42,529 --> 00:56:44,139 And they was like... [high-pitched]: "13." 1132 00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:47,186 And these was white girls 1133 00:56:47,316 --> 00:56:49,710 that was 13. 1134 00:56:49,841 --> 00:56:52,321 The system-- it's a different ballgame 1135 00:56:52,452 --> 00:56:54,715 than a black girl that's 13. 1136 00:56:54,846 --> 00:56:56,587 He'd have been gone. 1137 00:56:56,717 --> 00:56:58,415 And I know 1138 00:56:58,545 --> 00:56:59,981 that I shouldn't have did-- But this-- At this-- 1139 00:57:00,112 --> 00:57:02,244 at this time, this is my brother. 1140 00:57:02,375 --> 00:57:05,639 At this time, it's like, "Man, like, dude, 1141 00:57:05,770 --> 00:57:08,947 "dude, you-you finna throw your whole life away. 1142 00:57:09,077 --> 00:57:10,427 What is wrong with you?" 1143 00:57:12,211 --> 00:57:15,649 Robert ended up coming to Chicago, and... 1144 00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:18,652 I gave it to him. 1145 00:57:18,783 --> 00:57:22,656 And-and he burnt it up. 1146 00:57:22,787 --> 00:57:25,485 The things that he was able to get away with in the '90s, 1147 00:57:25,616 --> 00:57:28,096 early 2000s, he wouldn't be able to get away with today. 1148 00:57:28,227 --> 00:57:30,969 But we still want to make sure that this doesn't happen again. 1149 00:57:31,099 --> 00:57:34,755 I think what's just is 1150 00:57:34,886 --> 00:57:39,151 each and every woman, now, whose lives have been ruined 1151 00:57:39,281 --> 00:57:42,589 by dealing with R. Kelly, being manipulated by R. Kelly, 1152 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,504 being abused by R. Kelly, 1153 00:57:44,635 --> 00:57:46,898 what justice looks like is whatever 1154 00:57:47,028 --> 00:57:49,248 they need to feel whole again. 1155 00:57:49,378 --> 00:57:53,644 There are people in the music industry-- 1156 00:57:53,774 --> 00:57:56,211 I have talked to people who worked with him in the industry 1157 00:57:56,342 --> 00:57:59,432 who said, "I know that he did this, 1158 00:57:59,563 --> 00:58:01,129 "and I took precautions to not have-- 1159 00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:03,436 to keep my people safe." 1160 00:58:03,567 --> 00:58:05,743 For me, a lot of this is about the fact that, like, 1161 00:58:05,873 --> 00:58:09,703 America's laws have been set up to protect men 1162 00:58:09,834 --> 00:58:13,620 around situations of sexual assault and rape. 1163 00:58:13,751 --> 00:58:15,448 I'm sure all that woman is thinking about 1164 00:58:15,579 --> 00:58:17,494 is how hard it is to get justice. 1165 00:58:19,931 --> 00:58:23,108 LEMIEUX: All these people who failed these girls, you know, 1166 00:58:23,238 --> 00:58:25,545 because this person was powerful, 1167 00:58:25,676 --> 00:58:28,461 because it was in their best interest. 1168 00:58:28,592 --> 00:58:29,984 It-it... [sighs] 1169 00:58:30,115 --> 00:58:32,073 Every time I think about it, I just get so angry. 1170 00:58:32,204 --> 00:58:34,249 You know? I-I get very, very angry, 1171 00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:36,121 because they didn't deserve that. 1172 00:58:38,340 --> 00:58:40,125 CUNNINGHAM: I do not think it is an accident 1173 00:58:40,255 --> 00:58:43,302 that all of his victims are young women of color 1174 00:58:43,432 --> 00:58:46,261 and that almost all of them are black. 1175 00:58:46,392 --> 00:58:47,567 I do not think that it is a coincidence 1176 00:58:47,698 --> 00:58:50,657 that almost all of them are from urban areas 1177 00:58:50,788 --> 00:58:53,617 where opportunity is a challenge. 1178 00:58:53,747 --> 00:58:56,271 Uh, I do not think that it is an accident 1179 00:58:56,402 --> 00:59:00,014 that so many of R. Kelly's survivors 1180 00:59:00,145 --> 00:59:04,105 are people who are looking for a void to be filled. 1181 00:59:04,236 --> 00:59:06,543 The truth of the matter is 1182 00:59:06,673 --> 00:59:10,329 R. Kelly continued to choose a specific victim. 1183 00:59:17,815 --> 00:59:20,382 My name is Lanita Carter, and I was 1184 00:59:20,513 --> 00:59:22,863 the hair braider for R. Kelly. 1185 00:59:22,994 --> 00:59:26,867 I was 24 years old when I met him. 1186 00:59:26,998 --> 00:59:29,653 I met him through a friend of his. 1187 00:59:29,783 --> 00:59:32,569 My goal in braiding his hair 1188 00:59:32,699 --> 00:59:35,963 was to be doing hair for a celebrity 1189 00:59:36,094 --> 00:59:38,705 to build my clientele up. 1190 00:59:38,836 --> 00:59:40,664 Um, I was well-known 1191 00:59:40,794 --> 00:59:43,101 in different neighborhoods for braiding hair. 1192 00:59:43,231 --> 00:59:48,410 And, um, it made me feel good to be doing it for a celebrity. 1193 00:59:48,541 --> 00:59:51,762 I gained the respect of many people for doing his hair. 1194 00:59:51,892 --> 00:59:53,633 My family-- 1195 00:59:53,764 --> 00:59:55,766 they let me finish sentences... [chuckles] 1196 00:59:55,896 --> 00:59:59,421 when, normally, they didn't really care what I had to say. 1197 00:59:59,552 --> 01:00:01,772 But it was more like, "Lanita, 1198 01:00:01,902 --> 01:00:04,513 "who's doing hair for a celebrity, 1199 01:00:04,644 --> 01:00:08,039 she succeeded." 1200 01:00:08,169 --> 01:00:09,649 Everybody was proud of me. 1201 01:00:09,780 --> 01:00:14,262 It definitely felt... wonderful. 1202 01:00:14,393 --> 01:00:16,656 It made me more proud when I thought about it. 1203 01:00:16,787 --> 01:00:19,572 You know, like, everybody wanted 1204 01:00:19,703 --> 01:00:21,835 to be doing something for this guy, 1205 01:00:21,966 --> 01:00:23,315 and I'm doing his hair. 1206 01:00:23,445 --> 01:00:25,752 It didn't matter how much I got paid. 1207 01:00:25,883 --> 01:00:28,625 I just wanted to be, you know, a part of that. 1208 01:00:30,757 --> 01:00:33,151 R. Kelly was so warm 1209 01:00:33,281 --> 01:00:35,588 and welcoming and inviting. 1210 01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:39,548 He told me he was my big brother. 1211 01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:42,203 And I didn't take that lightly. 1212 01:00:42,334 --> 01:00:44,466 I-I was proud of that. 1213 01:00:44,597 --> 01:00:48,209 ♪ 1214 01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:50,908 [sniffles] 1215 01:00:51,038 --> 01:00:52,561 And then... 1216 01:00:52,692 --> 01:00:54,041 [crying softly] 1217 01:00:54,172 --> 01:00:56,130 It was like he crushed... 1218 01:00:56,261 --> 01:00:58,176 my life. 1219 01:01:01,614 --> 01:01:04,138 KIMBERLY FOXX: I'm here to encourage victims 1220 01:01:04,269 --> 01:01:05,618 related to these allegations 1221 01:01:05,749 --> 01:01:08,534 to please get in touch with our office. 1222 01:01:08,665 --> 01:01:11,842 LANITA: I was told not to speak about it ever. 1223 01:01:11,972 --> 01:01:14,235 He's always felt like he was above everything. 1224 01:01:14,366 --> 01:01:16,237 I just broke down crying. 1225 01:01:16,368 --> 01:01:17,891 I think, this time around, folks want to get it right. 1226 01:01:18,022 --> 01:01:20,198 ODELEYE: His victims deserve it. 1227 01:01:20,328 --> 01:01:22,504 The ones who've come forward and the many who have not. 1228 01:01:22,635 --> 01:01:28,293 LANITA: I want him to acknowledge that he wronged me. 1229 01:01:28,423 --> 01:01:29,947 Make me feel like I'm not going crazy. 1230 01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:35,256 He [bleep] my daughter up. 1231 01:01:35,387 --> 01:01:36,605 Emotionally. 1232 01:01:36,736 --> 01:01:37,868 She was, like, 1233 01:01:37,998 --> 01:01:39,086 98 [bleep] pounds. 1234 01:01:39,217 --> 01:01:41,523 PRODUCER: Dominique, are you ready? 1235 01:01:41,654 --> 01:01:42,960 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS