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uperstar?

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Why wouldn't you sleep
with a celebrity?

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ASANTE:
Doing sexual activities,

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he would make me disguise
my voice, like...

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[high-pitched]:
"Yes, Daddy."

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KANIKA:
I felt literally ill having sex

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with him
when I knew that there were

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fetishes involved in it.

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And it was feeding a sickness.

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LIZZETTE:
Robert

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can smell a wounded woman

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a mile away.

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Said that I was important.

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Make me feel
like I'm not going crazy.

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[shudders, sighs]

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JERHONDA:
After all of us
have come forward,

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people are still saying
he's not guilty.

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MORGAN:
This has been

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going on
for close to 30 years now

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-because of silence.
-DeROGATIS:
Aaliyah's part of the pattern.

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Tiffany Hawkins
is part of the pattern.

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48 women whose names I know
are part of the pattern.

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It was like he crushed

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my life.

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♪

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[cheering]

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It should have ended
with Tiffany Hawkins

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filing the first lawsuit.

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I was just one girl.
I was the first girl.

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And nobody believed me.

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IAN ALEXANDER: There
was nothing to benefit anybody

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by locking this guy up.

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They said to me
and another executive,

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"You guys need to buy up
all the tapes you can find."

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-And we did.
-MAN: Mr. Kelly
has been indicted.

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DeROGATIS:
He had an incredible stroke

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of good fortune.

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The judge kicked that case out.

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TIA:
Ten years later,

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how in the world

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is he still getting away
with this?

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LANITA:
The only thing I can do,

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just say my truth.

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My name is Lanita Carter,

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and I was the hair braider
for R. Kelly.

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I was 24 years old
when I met him.

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It made me more proud
when I thought about it.

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You know, like, everybody wanted

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to be doing something
for this guy,

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and I'm doing his hair.

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It didn't matter
how much I got paid.

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I just wanted to be,
you know, a part of that.

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And, um, it made me feel good
to be doing it for a celebrity.

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I gained the respect

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of many people
for doing his hair.

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My family,
they let me finish sentences...

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[chucks]
...when, normally,

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they didn't really care
what I had to say.

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But it was more like, "Lanita,

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"who's doing hair
for a celebrity,

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she succeeded."

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Everybody was proud of me.

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It definitely felt...

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wonderful.

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When I first started working
for Robert,

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a typical day would be

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I would get a phone call
at any day or time,

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and I would be allowed

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an hour to get there.

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I would wait for approximately

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eight hours.

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I would do his hair for ten,

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15 minutes, tops,

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and then I could go.

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I could get called
every two days,

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and I would just get $100.

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But I paid my babysitter for,
uh, $20 per child.

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I had three kids at the time,

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and the cab ride home was $20,

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so I got a hot $20.

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But by me doing his hair,

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I was able to get
more clientele,

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and that provided me

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the opportunity to make
more money for my kids.

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Here it is, a celebrity,

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and they take an interest

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in me being a better person.

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I could just be doing his hair
and he never talked to me.

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And, instead, he was giving me,
like, sound advice

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on my life.

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R. Kelly told me so much

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about, like, uh...

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who I am.

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[crying softly]

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He made me feel like...

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he believed in me.

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I always told him
everything about me.

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I told him about

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my abusive relationship
with my husband, and...

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he helped me get out
of that situation.

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And I did.

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[shudders]
He made me feel like...

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he believed in me.

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Here it was.

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I come to do his hair.

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I'm a nobody.

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And he see I'm depressed,

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I'm hurt, I have no family,

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I have little friends.

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He knows
that I didn't have nobody.

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He knew I didn't have nothing.

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[sniffles]

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And he told me, like,

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"You stronger than that.
You better than that.

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Don't be weak."

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[sniffles]

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And...
[sniffles]

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I just...

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I believed everything he said.

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That was the first time
somebody, like,

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sat down, spent time with me.

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That showed respect.
[sniffles]

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He didn't gain anything
from telling me

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I was a smart person.

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He didn't gain anything
from telling me

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I was talented.

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[sniffles]

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I told him...

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I don't desire to be a singer.

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I don't desire

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to do anything.

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That I was just as satisfied
with just doing his hair.

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And he told me to think.

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R. Kelly told me to think beyond

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just doing his hair.

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He was the first person

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to claim to be my big brother

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that-that wasn't my big brother.

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[sniffles]

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There was a lot of nice,
beautiful women down there.

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And, clearly, all of 'em
was there for him.

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[sniffles]
I wanted my own husband, always,

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not somebody else's.

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[crying softly]

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I-I want to be married.

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I want somebody to respect me.

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I always thought, like,

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"Oh, my brother will sing
at my next wedding"

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and blah, blah, blah.
[sniffles]

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[sobs]

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I remember asking Robert.

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I said, "If I'm
gonna be working for you,

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"everyone is telling me
not to be bothered with you,

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"that you have all
these different things going on

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and that you have a case
going on with a young girl."

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And he said, "Thank you."

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Robert was like, "Thank you
for bringing that to me.

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"Thank you
for keeping it real with me.

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"That is not me.

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"That's my brother.

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"This will all be done with.

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"You will see.

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"But I like
that you brought it to me

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instead of talking."

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When I went down to the studio,

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I met Ron Isley

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from the Isley Brothers.

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Um, I met Michelle Williams
from Destiny's Child.

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I know-- She was down there at
the studio with R. Kelly a lot.

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One-one day in particular, um,

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Michelle Williams looked at me
and she said,

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"How old are you?"

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And I said, "I'm 24."

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And R. Kelly saw her and said,

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"Pull out your I.D.

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"She is 24,
married with children.

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You see how people
would think that she's young?"

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And I was so happy

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to pull out my I.D.

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I didn't-- I didn't find it
disrespectful at all.

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I felt like, "Here is my I.D.

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I am proving everyone wrong."

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I was often asked

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to be careful going
to his studio.

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They're saying that, you know,

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he's a pedophile
and he mistreats women.

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And I stood up for him
every time.

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I mean,
there-there were even times

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where people
weren't talking to me

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and I would interrupt
the conversation and say,

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"Excuse me, I know him.

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"I'm sorry, but I work for him,

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and that's not who he is."

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I would go back and tell Robert

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what had transpired.

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And I would always get,
like, a warm look,

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like, "Thank you for--

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"thank you for believing in me.

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"Thank you for having my back
and being loyal behind my back

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and not just in my face."

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R. Kelly was big on... loyalty.

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R. Kelly is preoccupied
with loyalty.

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And I proved myself to be loyal.

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NORCOTT:
Our commitment

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to celebrity culture is our--

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we want to get
as close as we can to it.

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If access is where
the grooming process starts,

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then celebrities have
a million-mile start.

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I told him everything about me

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because he was easy to talk to.

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R. Kelly

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shared with me

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that... he was molested.

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I shared with him

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that I was molested...

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raped...

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and kidnapped.

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I was molested
between the ages of

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eight...

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to 12.

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There was one time

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I was at a bar with my mother.

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-She was a barmaid.
-[crowd chatter]

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Her boss sat me on his lap.

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And...

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he started molesting me,

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fondling me.

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And I just sat there,

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eating potato chips.

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[cries softly, sniffles]

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BURKE:
Little black girls--

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we are told
from very young ages--

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you don't let men touch
your private parts,

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you don't sit on a man's lap,

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you don't go anywhere
with strangers, right?

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We get this litany of rules,

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and it gets told to us over
and over and over again.

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And it gets reinforced
in all kind of ways.

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A man comes in the house, they
say, "Go put some clothes on."

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You know, or, "You can't be
left alone with so-and-so."

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Those are the things
that you hear all the time.

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But let me tell you
what you don't hear.

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What you don't hear often enough

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is the parent
or the adult saying,

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"If any
of these rules are broken,

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"it is not your fault.

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It is always
the adult's fault."

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And so,

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you have generations of children

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who are being raised to believe
that they are complicit

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in their own abuse because
they "broke a rule," right?

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Because
I shouldn't have been there.

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I shouldn't have worn that.

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I must have projected something
that said

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that I was available
to be taken advantage of.

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LANITA:
I have lost

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self-esteem for staying
in situations I shouldn't.

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I didn't see nothing past
being a hair braider.

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And now
I'm at the top of my game.

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I'm doing hair for a celebrity.

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JOANNE: When someone has
been abused, they are

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at greater risk of being abused
again later in their life.

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Oftentimes,
a lot of, uh, the ailments

264
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that they've experienced from,

265
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you know, anxiety, depression,
suicidal ideation,

266
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questioning their own,
um, reasoning

267
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and their own, uh,
decision-making,

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are a challenge because

269
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of what they experienced
as children.

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Child sexual abuse is
the most pervasive health risk

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and problem that young people
face, and it carries

272
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with them throughout life.

273
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I thought I could trust...

274
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Robert.

275
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I thought...

276
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I thought
I could trust his entourage.

277
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Everyone talked to me
like I'm one of the guys.

278
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You know, it's like, you know,
the little sister or something.

279
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There was

280
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one day in particular
that I was at the studio,

281
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and one of the members
of the entourage tried

282
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to talk to me.
He's like,

283
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"Come on, let's make out."

284
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I said,

285
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"Mm. I got three kids."

286
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So...

287
00:14:27,214 --> 00:14:29,651
that was it.
I went home.

288
00:14:29,781 --> 00:14:31,566
I didn't think no more of it.

289
00:14:31,696 --> 00:14:33,524
And I got a phone call,

290
00:14:33,655 --> 00:14:37,050
and it was Robert, irate,

291
00:14:37,180 --> 00:14:39,226
over the phone,

292
00:14:39,356 --> 00:14:41,402
asking me,

293
00:14:41,532 --> 00:14:44,318
"Why didn't you tell me
this was going on?

294
00:14:44,448 --> 00:14:46,537
What happened?" He said,
"I'm like your brother, man.

295
00:14:46,668 --> 00:14:48,975
I can't have
you down here like this."

296
00:14:50,498 --> 00:14:52,674
I-I said, "I'm so sorry.

297
00:14:52,804 --> 00:14:55,416
I would've told you, but
I didn't think it was nothing."

298
00:14:55,546 --> 00:14:57,418
He said, "You're supposed
to give me the heads-up

299
00:14:57,548 --> 00:14:59,376
on [bleep] like this."

300
00:15:02,727 --> 00:15:04,164
And that was the first day

301
00:15:04,294 --> 00:15:06,340
that...

302
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:09,430
I felt like
I was unloyal to him.

303
00:15:12,650 --> 00:15:14,652
BURKE:
People

304
00:15:14,783 --> 00:15:17,917
who are abusers
or, you know, who are, um,

305
00:15:18,047 --> 00:15:21,311
trying to take advantage of,
particularly, young people,

306
00:15:21,442 --> 00:15:23,226
will use shame for sure.

307
00:15:23,357 --> 00:15:26,055
Like, a big part
of what I experienced

308
00:15:26,186 --> 00:15:28,666
as a survivor
of child sexual abuse

309
00:15:28,797 --> 00:15:33,671
is the shame
of not having been a good girl.

310
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And so,
once they get that nugget,

311
00:15:36,196 --> 00:15:38,850
the abusers, they can take that
and twist that

312
00:15:38,981 --> 00:15:41,157
and use it against you
in all kinds of ways.

313
00:15:41,288 --> 00:15:42,637
And then you sort of carry...

314
00:15:42,767 --> 00:15:44,552
It's like
you do the work for them,

315
00:15:44,682 --> 00:15:46,858
because the shame
makes you feel so bad.

316
00:15:46,989 --> 00:15:49,774
And you carry it. It's like
an albatross around your neck.

317
00:15:49,905 --> 00:15:52,908
So it's-it's...
it's a... a weapon

318
00:15:53,039 --> 00:15:54,954
that is used and wielded

319
00:15:55,084 --> 00:15:58,000
against lots
and lots of survivors.

320
00:15:59,741 --> 00:16:02,570
I stopped getting called
to come and do his hair.

321
00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,441
So I started calling.

322
00:16:04,572 --> 00:16:08,097
I would call, and I would say,
"Hey, this is Lanita.

323
00:16:08,228 --> 00:16:09,969
Can I speak to Rob?"

324
00:16:10,099 --> 00:16:11,971
"He's not here."

325
00:16:12,101 --> 00:16:14,190
So I was puzzled.

326
00:16:14,321 --> 00:16:16,845
I think it was for about...

327
00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:20,109
maybe a month or two

328
00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,850
that I was not able

329
00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:24,679
to go and do his hair.

330
00:16:24,809 --> 00:16:27,987
And then, all of a sudden,

331
00:16:28,117 --> 00:16:30,337
I get a call.

332
00:16:31,555 --> 00:16:33,470
I get a phone call

333
00:16:33,601 --> 00:16:35,429
to do his hair.

334
00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,202
All of a s

335
00:17:09,332 --> 00:17:11,813
I get a call.

336
00:17:11,943 --> 00:17:14,990
"Lanita, can you come down
and braid Rob's hair?"

337
00:17:15,121 --> 00:17:18,298
And I was there
in about 45 minutes.

338
00:17:18,428 --> 00:17:20,430
And I had...

339
00:17:20,561 --> 00:17:23,129
I-I told Robert
while I was doing his hair,

340
00:17:23,259 --> 00:17:26,741
I said,
"Look, I'm apologizing to you

341
00:17:26,871 --> 00:17:28,960
"because I wasn't trying

342
00:17:29,091 --> 00:17:31,050
"to be down there or anything,

343
00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:33,052
and nothing happened."

344
00:17:33,182 --> 00:17:35,402
And he says, "I know.

345
00:17:35,532 --> 00:17:37,665
But I know
it won't happen again."

346
00:17:37,795 --> 00:17:40,059
After that,

347
00:17:40,189 --> 00:17:43,758
I did his hair every two days.

348
00:17:48,589 --> 00:17:53,550
February 18, 2003.

349
00:17:53,681 --> 00:17:57,380
I get there,
and everything feel different.

350
00:17:57,511 --> 00:17:59,687
He always, you know,

351
00:17:59,817 --> 00:18:01,645
had his hands in his pants
or whatever.

352
00:18:01,776 --> 00:18:03,560
And he says, "I want

353
00:18:03,691 --> 00:18:05,432
a head massage."

354
00:18:09,175 --> 00:18:10,611
And I laughed it off.

355
00:18:10,741 --> 00:18:12,830
I said, "I don't do massages."

356
00:18:12,961 --> 00:18:15,224
And he said,
"No, not-not that head.

357
00:18:15,355 --> 00:18:17,270
This head."

358
00:18:19,576 --> 00:18:22,231
And I remember him walking,

359
00:18:22,362 --> 00:18:25,191
you know, toward me.

360
00:18:25,321 --> 00:18:27,410
I had my hair
in two French braids,

361
00:18:27,541 --> 00:18:30,848
and he, uh,

362
00:18:30,979 --> 00:18:34,809
pulled my braid down,
like toward him.

363
00:18:34,939 --> 00:18:37,551
And... and I go like this.

364
00:18:37,681 --> 00:18:39,596
And he just started hocking
his spit and go...

365
00:18:39,727 --> 00:18:41,642
[imitates spitting]

366
00:18:45,515 --> 00:18:48,127
He spit like...
he spit seven times.

367
00:18:50,172 --> 00:18:52,348
He was like,
"Suck it. Suck it for Daddy."

368
00:18:55,656 --> 00:18:58,093
[cries softly, sniffles]

369
00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:00,182
I wanted to make a living

370
00:19:00,313 --> 00:19:03,403
just off of doing his hair.

371
00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:07,320
[sniffles]
It was like he crushed my life.

372
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,152
And I started crying so hard.

373
00:19:13,282 --> 00:19:15,197
He immediately got mad at me.

374
00:19:17,373 --> 00:19:19,506
"Did I beat you
like your husband?"

375
00:19:22,378 --> 00:19:24,032
[sniffles]

376
00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:28,689
He asked me to fix...
fix my [bleep] face.

377
00:19:28,819 --> 00:19:32,867
I walk to the bathroom

378
00:19:32,997 --> 00:19:34,869
with my eyes squinting,

379
00:19:34,999 --> 00:19:37,001
I grab this towel,

380
00:19:37,132 --> 00:19:39,526
and I-I wipe my face.

381
00:19:39,656 --> 00:19:41,528
It was sticky.

382
00:19:41,658 --> 00:19:43,356
And I look up at my eyelashes,

383
00:19:43,486 --> 00:19:45,880
and my eyelashes are,
like, stuck together.

384
00:19:46,010 --> 00:19:48,448
Like, pointy, stuck together.

385
00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:52,234
He ejaculated on my face.

386
00:19:52,365 --> 00:19:54,758
That's why
my eyelashes were sticky.

387
00:19:54,889 --> 00:19:56,804
After I wipe-wiped my face,

388
00:19:56,934 --> 00:19:59,285
I wet the corner of the towel,
and I, like,

389
00:19:59,415 --> 00:20:01,678
just keep wiping my face
and wiping my face.

390
00:20:01,809 --> 00:20:05,073
Like, this is the face
I kiss my kids with.

391
00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:09,643
This... I got... I go home,
and I kiss my kids good night.

392
00:20:09,773 --> 00:20:11,993
I kiss my kids
goodbye for school.

393
00:20:12,123 --> 00:20:16,650
And I just started feeling
so dumb and stupid.

394
00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:20,175
Everybody I told to trust him--

395
00:20:20,306 --> 00:20:22,221
"This man not like this,"

396
00:20:22,351 --> 00:20:24,745
"He not that type of person,"

397
00:20:24,875 --> 00:20:27,835
"Pray for him, care about him"--

398
00:20:27,965 --> 00:20:29,837
it's like...

399
00:20:31,795 --> 00:20:34,233
And I stood up
for him every time.

400
00:20:34,363 --> 00:20:36,800
[sniffles, cries]

401
00:20:48,203 --> 00:20:51,511
JOANNE: In the black community,
oftentimes, we are

402
00:20:51,641 --> 00:20:54,253
trained to protect black men
based on the history

403
00:20:54,383 --> 00:20:57,212
of incarceration
and slavery in this country.

404
00:20:57,343 --> 00:21:00,607
And so the last thing
we are told is, call the police.

405
00:21:00,737 --> 00:21:02,783
If it's in your family
or if it's in the community,

406
00:21:02,913 --> 00:21:05,002
in the neighborhood, you don't
want to get people in trouble.

407
00:21:05,133 --> 00:21:07,744
So many black women,
in particular,

408
00:21:07,875 --> 00:21:10,965
do not report sexual violence
and sexual harassment

409
00:21:11,095 --> 00:21:14,621
because of our long history
with law enforcement.

410
00:21:14,751 --> 00:21:17,580
We're all socialized
to understand the vulnerability

411
00:21:17,711 --> 00:21:21,628
that black men have
in terms of being overpoliced.

412
00:21:21,758 --> 00:21:25,284
We all know that, and we all
are, um, in this together.

413
00:21:25,414 --> 00:21:28,069
So, to say that you're a victim
of sexual assault

414
00:21:28,199 --> 00:21:30,158
when it's a black man
who does it,

415
00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:32,291
you're the one who's seen as,

416
00:21:32,421 --> 00:21:35,729
um, somehow harming
the community, when in fact,

417
00:21:35,859 --> 00:21:38,079
the person who violates you
is the person

418
00:21:38,209 --> 00:21:42,213
who-who has broken ranks
and who has committed a-a deeply

419
00:21:42,344 --> 00:21:46,130
traumatizing act
that... breaks us apart.

420
00:21:46,261 --> 00:21:49,003
And I kept on thinking,
"Well, he didn't rape me,

421
00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:52,528
so it ain't no case," you know?

422
00:21:52,659 --> 00:21:55,836
And I called my brother-in-law.

423
00:21:55,966 --> 00:22:00,536
I said, "Eddie, I want you
to beat up R. Kelly.

424
00:22:00,667 --> 00:22:03,800
"Beat him. I ain't never
asked you to fight nobody.

425
00:22:03,931 --> 00:22:08,675
What y'all was making jokes
about-- it happened."

426
00:22:08,805 --> 00:22:13,593
And he said, "You're so silly.

427
00:22:13,723 --> 00:22:16,030
"You don't fight
somebody like R. Kelly.

428
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,988
"He got bodyguards.

429
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,643
"You call the police.

430
00:22:20,774 --> 00:22:23,733
"He spit on you
and [bleep] on your face?

431
00:22:23,864 --> 00:22:26,649
That's assault and battery."

432
00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:28,390
And...

433
00:22:28,521 --> 00:22:30,479
I said,
"Let me call somebody else."

434
00:22:30,610 --> 00:22:32,046
I called his friend,

435
00:22:32,176 --> 00:22:34,004
and I tell him what happened.

436
00:22:34,135 --> 00:22:35,832
And he says, "Yeah, baby,

437
00:22:35,963 --> 00:22:37,834
"you got to...
you got to call the police.

438
00:22:37,965 --> 00:22:39,532
"There's nothing
nobody can help you with.

439
00:22:39,662 --> 00:22:42,012
I hate that happened to you."

440
00:22:42,143 --> 00:22:45,581
I call the police.

441
00:22:45,712 --> 00:22:48,410
I tell them
what happened to me.

442
00:22:48,541 --> 00:22:50,891
And she said, "Can you
describe the assailant?"

443
00:22:51,021 --> 00:22:53,284
And I tell her, "R. Kelly."

444
00:22:53,415 --> 00:22:54,808
♪

445
00:22:54,938 --> 00:22:57,550
That was the worst thing
I could've ever did.

446
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,813
The whole block filled up
with police cars.

447
00:22:59,943 --> 00:23:03,425
There's no room
to get in or out.

448
00:23:03,556 --> 00:23:05,906
The first police that get there,

449
00:23:06,036 --> 00:23:08,082
she's a black lady.

450
00:23:08,212 --> 00:23:12,608
I immediately feel like...

451
00:23:12,739 --> 00:23:15,611
I'm so grateful
this is not a man.

452
00:23:15,742 --> 00:23:17,396
Thank you. Thank you, God.

453
00:23:17,526 --> 00:23:21,182
I start to tell her
what happened to me,

454
00:23:21,312 --> 00:23:23,576
and she says...

455
00:23:23,706 --> 00:23:26,230
"Well, you know you...
you not gonna be able

456
00:23:26,361 --> 00:23:28,102
"to go back down there

457
00:23:28,232 --> 00:23:30,931
"if you make this police report.

458
00:23:31,061 --> 00:23:34,108
How do I know you're not crazy?"

459
00:23:34,238 --> 00:23:37,851
And everything I was saying
to the woman police officer,

460
00:23:37,981 --> 00:23:40,680
I could hear it echoing
in the cars behind me.

461
00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:43,117
So everybody was just parked

462
00:23:43,247 --> 00:23:47,426
so that they can listen
to what was happening.

463
00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:50,864
I was...

464
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:54,694
told to go upstairs
to my apartment, and...

465
00:23:54,824 --> 00:23:58,175
a police called me and told me
that they were coming to get me.

466
00:23:59,786 --> 00:24:03,050
And they came
with their sirens on.

467
00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:04,530
I got in this police car--

468
00:24:04,660 --> 00:24:08,272
it was my first police ride--

469
00:24:08,403 --> 00:24:13,103
where you have to sit slanted,
with your knees like this,

470
00:24:13,234 --> 00:24:16,933
and I'm being whisked away
to the police station.

471
00:24:17,064 --> 00:24:20,850
So, I meet
this nice young gentleman.

472
00:24:20,981 --> 00:24:23,157
His name was Detective Daly.

473
00:24:23,287 --> 00:24:26,029
And at that moment, he was,
like, my savior, you know?

474
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,466
He introduced hisself.

475
00:24:27,596 --> 00:24:29,424
I told him everything,

476
00:24:29,555 --> 00:24:33,428
and he didn't act
like he didn't believe me.

477
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,866
After me being at the
police station for eight hours

478
00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:39,565
and Detective Daly
took me home,

479
00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:42,655
he asked me for my clothes,

480
00:24:42,785 --> 00:24:45,571
and I gave it to him.

481
00:24:45,701 --> 00:24:48,095
MANNIS:
I first met Lanita Carter

482
00:24:48,225 --> 00:24:52,534
the day after
she was assaulted by R. Kelly.

483
00:24:52,665 --> 00:24:54,797
She had already made
a complaint to the police,

484
00:24:54,928 --> 00:24:56,625
and I believed her.

485
00:24:56,756 --> 00:24:58,932
Making a report,
making an allegation,

486
00:24:59,062 --> 00:25:01,456
uh, making a complaint
against a celebrity,

487
00:25:01,587 --> 00:25:03,589
you know, as the victim,

488
00:25:03,719 --> 00:25:05,895
that you're gonna be
highly scrutinized,

489
00:25:06,026 --> 00:25:09,029
that you are making a report
that will upset

490
00:25:09,159 --> 00:25:10,900
not only the celebrity

491
00:25:11,031 --> 00:25:13,294
but the whole world around him.

492
00:25:15,383 --> 00:25:18,342
LANITA:
This is all over the news,
this is everywhere,

493
00:25:18,473 --> 00:25:19,996
and I'm just nervous.

494
00:25:20,127 --> 00:25:21,215
They put me in, um,

495
00:25:21,345 --> 00:25:23,696
the Essex Inn hotel.

496
00:25:23,826 --> 00:25:25,480
I sent my kids away,

497
00:25:25,611 --> 00:25:28,875
and I try to deal
with this thing.

498
00:25:29,005 --> 00:25:33,009
Detective Daly calls me when
I'm at the Essex Inn and says,

499
00:25:33,140 --> 00:25:35,403
"Lanita,
we've run into a problem."

500
00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:37,710
[scoffs softly, sniffles]

501
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,364
He said, um...

502
00:25:40,495 --> 00:25:42,671
"They don't know you.

503
00:25:42,802 --> 00:25:44,804
"I've taken them your picture,
I've told them your name.

504
00:25:44,934 --> 00:25:47,589
"Nobody down at that studio

505
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,591
says that they know you."

506
00:25:52,725 --> 00:25:55,989
He says, "Were you there?"

507
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,904
"Yes, I was there.

508
00:25:58,034 --> 00:26:00,559
"My hair bag is in his office.

509
00:26:00,689 --> 00:26:02,082
"It's a black plastic bag.

510
00:26:02,212 --> 00:26:03,779
"I have a blow-dryer.

511
00:26:03,910 --> 00:26:06,129
"I have pictures.
I have dry shampoo.

512
00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:07,957
I was there."

513
00:26:09,742 --> 00:26:12,658
And he says, "Okay.
We're gonna raid the studio."

514
00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:14,877
♪

515
00:26:17,967 --> 00:26:20,361
Detective Daly calls me
and says he's at the studio

516
00:26:20,491 --> 00:26:22,102
and that they're
actively raiding the studio.

517
00:26:22,232 --> 00:26:23,799
But he says, "Wake up,

518
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:26,323
"wake up, wake up,
wake up, wake up.

519
00:26:26,454 --> 00:26:28,021
"We're running out of time.

520
00:26:28,151 --> 00:26:31,241
This... this is about to end.
Wake up."

521
00:26:31,372 --> 00:26:34,549
And I'm groggy,
and he's like, "Look...

522
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,464
"you got to give us
more information.

523
00:26:36,595 --> 00:26:38,074
"'Cause your stuff ain't here.

524
00:26:38,205 --> 00:26:40,990
"Tell me something
that nobody else would know

525
00:26:41,121 --> 00:26:41,948
unless they were here."

526
00:26:42,078 --> 00:26:42,949
[exhales]

527
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:45,995
♪

528
00:26:46,126 --> 00:26:48,302
-[sniffles]
-And I says...

529
00:26:50,086 --> 00:26:52,523
"There's two Osco Drug
pill bottles

530
00:26:52,654 --> 00:26:55,135
in front of three Grammys
on a glass stand."

531
00:26:55,265 --> 00:26:57,311
And you could hear him running.

532
00:26:57,441 --> 00:26:59,574
And he say, "It's here.

533
00:26:59,705 --> 00:27:01,315
I believe you now."

534
00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:30,083
LANITA:
Detective Daly calls me

535
00:27:30,213 --> 00:27:31,432
and says he's at the studio

536
00:27:31,562 --> 00:27:33,826
and that they're
actively raiding the studio.

537
00:27:33,956 --> 00:27:36,350
But he says, "You got
to give us more information.

538
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,091
"'Cause your stuff ain't here.

539
00:27:38,221 --> 00:27:40,876
"Tell me something
that nobody else would know

540
00:27:41,007 --> 00:27:43,313
unless they were here."

541
00:27:43,444 --> 00:27:44,314
[exhales]

542
00:27:44,445 --> 00:27:45,881
♪

543
00:27:47,361 --> 00:27:48,536
[sniffles]

544
00:27:50,538 --> 00:27:52,409
And I says...

545
00:27:54,107 --> 00:27:56,326
"There's two Osco Drug
pill bottles

546
00:27:56,457 --> 00:28:00,026
in front of three Grammys
on a glass stand."

547
00:28:00,156 --> 00:28:01,984
And you could hear him running.
He's, like, panting.

548
00:28:02,115 --> 00:28:03,333
[panting]

549
00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:07,033
And he say, "It's here.

550
00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:09,513
You just gained us two hours
in this studio."

551
00:28:09,644 --> 00:28:12,603
In the dumpster, they found
the black plastic bag

552
00:28:12,734 --> 00:28:14,736
with all my hair products
in it.

553
00:28:14,867 --> 00:28:17,173
And they also found
the couch cushion

554
00:28:17,304 --> 00:28:20,655
that later they found out
possibly had semen on it.

555
00:28:21,874 --> 00:28:24,137
And so now everybody who lied,

556
00:28:24,267 --> 00:28:26,574
who said they didn't know me,

557
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:29,490
had to change their story
and say that they knew me.

558
00:28:31,318 --> 00:28:33,102
I think Lanita had
a very strong case.

559
00:28:33,233 --> 00:28:37,280
I think that she had the facts
totally under her control.

560
00:28:37,411 --> 00:28:39,369
When Lanita made the report
to the police,

561
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:41,545
and then that was turned over
to the state's attorney

562
00:28:41,676 --> 00:28:44,418
for prosecution,
that becomes their decision.

563
00:28:44,548 --> 00:28:46,594
They go to a grand jury process,

564
00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:48,727
and that is, uh, an interview

565
00:28:48,857 --> 00:28:50,816
with the complaining witness,

566
00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:53,166
with the victim,
with Lanita in this case,

567
00:28:53,296 --> 00:28:54,950
and they decide

568
00:28:55,081 --> 00:28:57,431
whether a crime
has likely been committed,

569
00:28:57,561 --> 00:29:00,129
and then they decide whether
they want to bring charges.

570
00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:03,350
LANITA: During that time,
Shauna Boliker

571
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,831
took me to the grand jury,

572
00:29:05,961 --> 00:29:08,094
and I testified,

573
00:29:08,224 --> 00:29:11,184
and... everyone
badgered me there.

574
00:29:11,314 --> 00:29:13,229
Basically told me,

575
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,057
"Oh, why wouldn'tyou
sleep with a...

576
00:29:15,188 --> 00:29:16,537
superstar?"

577
00:29:16,667 --> 00:29:18,365
"Why wouldn't you sleep
with a celebrity?"

578
00:29:18,495 --> 00:29:19,801
I was in tears.

579
00:29:19,932 --> 00:29:21,585
I was uncomfortable.

580
00:29:21,716 --> 00:29:23,109
And, um...

581
00:29:23,239 --> 00:29:25,241
they were so mean to me.

582
00:29:26,547 --> 00:29:29,332
They were so mean.

583
00:29:29,463 --> 00:29:31,465
Nobody was there for me.

584
00:29:33,946 --> 00:29:37,210
I think our legal system
has to really do an atoning

585
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:41,214
for how we've treated,
um, cases of-of sexual abuse.

586
00:29:41,344 --> 00:29:42,911
Sexual abuse, sexual assault

587
00:29:43,042 --> 00:29:45,392
is one of themost
underreported crimes.

588
00:29:45,522 --> 00:29:48,090
And I think
that's because victims

589
00:29:48,221 --> 00:29:50,397
fear that they
won't be believed.

590
00:29:50,527 --> 00:29:52,138
MANNIS:
Lanita was disappointed

591
00:29:52,268 --> 00:29:54,967
and pretty devastated

592
00:29:55,097 --> 00:29:58,622
to know that they were not gonna
be bringing criminal charges.

593
00:29:58,753 --> 00:30:02,104
She had put herself on the line.

594
00:30:02,235 --> 00:30:05,847
She had done what she knew
was right for her.

595
00:30:05,978 --> 00:30:08,676
She followed
her own responsibility

596
00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,634
to herself and her conscience,

597
00:30:10,765 --> 00:30:13,986
and she felt that she was being
ignored by the system.

598
00:30:14,116 --> 00:30:15,726
At that point,

599
00:30:15,857 --> 00:30:19,034
Lanita and I discussed
where was this case

600
00:30:19,165 --> 00:30:21,515
in terms of criminal charge

601
00:30:21,645 --> 00:30:23,952
and where was a possible case

602
00:30:24,083 --> 00:30:27,477
in terms of a civil action
on her behalf.

603
00:30:27,608 --> 00:30:31,133
In criminal court,
it's about punishing the conduct

604
00:30:31,264 --> 00:30:34,876
of the perpetrator,
deterring this conduct,

605
00:30:35,007 --> 00:30:37,966
and, um, essentially making sure
it doesn't happen again.

606
00:30:38,097 --> 00:30:39,838
In a civil case,

607
00:30:39,968 --> 00:30:43,711
a victim of sexual assault
is seeking money damages.

608
00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:47,454
I did not want to sue R. Kelly

609
00:30:47,584 --> 00:30:49,586
at any time.

610
00:30:49,717 --> 00:30:51,850
I wanted him to apologize,

611
00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:54,069
or I wanted him...

612
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,464
to be criminally charged

613
00:30:57,594 --> 00:31:00,510
Shauna Boliker,
she told me, "Lanita,

614
00:31:00,641 --> 00:31:03,165
"maybe this is bigger
than you and me.

615
00:31:03,296 --> 00:31:07,300
Have you ever thought
about just suing Robert?"

616
00:31:09,650 --> 00:31:11,260
[scoffs softly]

617
00:31:11,391 --> 00:31:14,437
So everybody had talked

618
00:31:14,568 --> 00:31:18,354
about not taking
the bitch money...

619
00:31:18,485 --> 00:31:21,662
not settling,
standing up for yourself,

620
00:31:21,792 --> 00:31:25,971
and now I'm being told to,
um, contact Susan Loggans.

621
00:31:26,101 --> 00:31:27,929
Hi. I'm attorney
Susan E. Loggans.

622
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:30,192
If you have a case,
we will fight for you.

623
00:31:30,323 --> 00:31:31,454
IAN ALEXANDER:
Susan...

624
00:31:31,585 --> 00:31:33,935
has brokered, uh,

625
00:31:34,066 --> 00:31:38,897
settlements for silence
for victims of R. Kelly's abuse.

626
00:31:39,027 --> 00:31:42,465
She definitely has done that
on the cheap.

627
00:31:42,596 --> 00:31:46,861
And whatever money
she made, she...

628
00:31:46,992 --> 00:31:49,908
uh, she took a third
of whatever she settled,

629
00:31:50,038 --> 00:31:53,563
and that's
sort of what happened.

630
00:31:53,694 --> 00:31:55,217
Word got out on the street.

631
00:31:55,348 --> 00:31:58,264
You want money from Robert,
see Susan Loggans.

632
00:31:58,394 --> 00:32:01,745
A nondisclosure agreement
would be signed.

633
00:32:01,876 --> 00:32:05,358
The girl promised never to speak
about it as she took this money.

634
00:32:05,488 --> 00:32:08,448
Some people would have a problem
with what Susan Loggans did.

635
00:32:08,578 --> 00:32:10,885
I think other people
would say...

636
00:32:11,016 --> 00:32:14,323
she was a civil attorney
doing her job.

637
00:32:14,454 --> 00:32:17,152
I contact
Susan Loggans & Associates.

638
00:32:17,283 --> 00:32:19,024
She was, like, very aggressive.

639
00:32:19,154 --> 00:32:21,287
She was, "I don't believe it.

640
00:32:21,417 --> 00:32:23,506
"I have tried many cases,

641
00:32:23,637 --> 00:32:25,900
"and this
doesn't sound right to me.

642
00:32:26,031 --> 00:32:28,250
You're... you're too old."

643
00:32:28,381 --> 00:32:29,948
You know?

644
00:32:31,862 --> 00:32:33,125
[sniffles]

645
00:32:33,255 --> 00:32:36,084
She didn't take my case.

646
00:32:36,215 --> 00:32:39,087
But she told me that, um,
she would send me somewhere,

647
00:32:39,218 --> 00:32:41,481
and she sent me
to David Pritchard

648
00:32:41,611 --> 00:32:44,005
of Salvi, Shostok & Pritchard.

649
00:32:44,136 --> 00:32:47,269
I mean, he had the case settled
in three months.

650
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,141
JOYNER: How many settlements
has R. Kelly done?

651
00:32:49,271 --> 00:32:52,013
That right there tells you
that he's hiding in plain sight.

652
00:32:52,144 --> 00:32:53,536
I mean, a settlement is...

653
00:32:53,667 --> 00:32:56,104
is not legally
an admission of guilt,

654
00:32:56,235 --> 00:32:59,934
[laughs]: but you're settling
for a reason, you know?

655
00:33:00,065 --> 00:33:02,067
I did what everybody else
wanted me to do

656
00:33:02,197 --> 00:33:04,808
instead of what
I believed for myself.

657
00:33:04,939 --> 00:33:07,420
A part of me...

658
00:33:07,550 --> 00:33:09,988
did not want him
to be in trouble,

659
00:33:10,118 --> 00:33:14,209
but I did want him to...

660
00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:17,821
acknowledge
that he had wronged me.

661
00:33:17,952 --> 00:33:20,041
And it's been, like,
the big thing.

662
00:33:20,172 --> 00:33:23,175
Nobody acknowledges
that they-they mess over me.

663
00:33:25,351 --> 00:33:27,396
Say that you wronged me.

664
00:33:27,527 --> 00:33:29,311
Say that I was important.

665
00:33:29,442 --> 00:33:31,835
Make me feel
like I'm not going crazy.

666
00:33:31,966 --> 00:33:33,924
Like, you know
nobody care for me.

667
00:33:34,055 --> 00:33:35,535
Black women

668
00:33:35,665 --> 00:33:38,059
are not allowed to be victims.

669
00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:40,018
We are...
[chuckles]

670
00:33:40,148 --> 00:33:42,020
It's so funny, because...

671
00:33:42,150 --> 00:33:45,023
we are able to... help,

672
00:33:45,153 --> 00:33:47,895
we are able to save,

673
00:33:48,026 --> 00:33:51,246
we are able to nurture,

674
00:33:51,377 --> 00:33:54,380
we are able
to do everything strong.

675
00:33:56,991 --> 00:33:59,298
Yet we can't be anything weak.

676
00:34:01,474 --> 00:34:03,302
But our men can.

677
00:34:05,304 --> 00:34:07,523
MORGAN: Black women
are very much disposable

678
00:34:07,654 --> 00:34:08,829
in the face

679
00:34:08,959 --> 00:34:10,961
of needing to protect

680
00:34:11,092 --> 00:34:13,355
the mythology of a celebrity,

681
00:34:13,486 --> 00:34:15,662
um, particularly
a black male celebrity

682
00:34:15,792 --> 00:34:17,794
who seems
to have accomplished anything.

683
00:34:17,925 --> 00:34:21,320
So the demand for us is silence

684
00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:22,495
so that the rest
of the community

685
00:34:22,625 --> 00:34:25,585
gets to keep this mythology.

686
00:34:25,715 --> 00:34:27,935
I signed
a nondisclosure agreement,

687
00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:29,241
and I was

688
00:34:29,371 --> 00:34:33,636
told not to speak about it ever.

689
00:34:33,767 --> 00:34:35,377
FOXX:
We rely heavily

690
00:34:35,508 --> 00:34:37,727
on victim accounts
and witness statements

691
00:34:37,858 --> 00:34:41,035
to prosecute cases
involving sexual assault

692
00:34:41,166 --> 00:34:43,168
and domestic violence.

693
00:34:43,298 --> 00:34:46,736
I'm here today
to encourage victims

694
00:34:46,867 --> 00:34:49,348
of sexual assault
or domestic violence,

695
00:34:49,478 --> 00:34:51,524
um, related to these allegations

696
00:34:51,654 --> 00:34:54,483
to please get in touch
with our office.

697
00:34:54,614 --> 00:34:58,705
The documentary
opened the door to justice

698
00:34:58,835 --> 00:35:01,186
for all of Kelly's accusers.

699
00:35:01,316 --> 00:35:03,623
The attorney general
called for women

700
00:35:03,753 --> 00:35:06,452
who-who had these experiences
to come forward.

701
00:35:06,582 --> 00:35:07,627
I mean, that was huge.

702
00:35:07,757 --> 00:35:09,107
She had watched all of the show

703
00:35:09,237 --> 00:35:10,717
and asked for any witnesses

704
00:35:10,847 --> 00:35:12,240
to come forward
who had evidence

705
00:35:12,371 --> 00:35:13,459
against R. Kelly.

706
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:14,938
FOXX:
People watch

707
00:35:15,069 --> 00:35:16,636
a documentary and think,
"Well, now all of a sudden

708
00:35:16,766 --> 00:35:18,116
something's gonna happen."

709
00:35:18,246 --> 00:35:20,205
99% of our cases

710
00:35:20,335 --> 00:35:22,946
rely on victims and witnesses

711
00:35:23,077 --> 00:35:25,427
coming forward
and telling their stories.

712
00:35:25,558 --> 00:35:27,168
That it wasn't enough

713
00:35:27,299 --> 00:35:29,039
that someone watched something
on television

714
00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:31,564
and think
that something would happen.

715
00:35:31,694 --> 00:35:33,479
In order for us
to prosecute cases

716
00:35:33,609 --> 00:35:35,394
of sexual abuse
or sexual assault,

717
00:35:35,524 --> 00:35:38,353
regardless of who
the offender may be,

718
00:35:38,484 --> 00:35:41,443
we need victims and witnesses
to come forward.

719
00:35:41,574 --> 00:35:43,489
She just wanted
all those individuals to know

720
00:35:43,619 --> 00:35:45,534
she was open to hear.

721
00:35:45,665 --> 00:35:47,014
We were like,
"Oh, you know, it's coming.

722
00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:48,146
Absolutely, it's coming."

723
00:35:48,276 --> 00:35:50,974
Please come forward.

724
00:35:52,976 --> 00:35:54,021
Someone texts me,

725
00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:57,503
"Lanita, did you see the news?"

726
00:35:57,633 --> 00:36:00,375
There's nothing that can be done
to investigate these allegations

727
00:36:00,506 --> 00:36:02,986
without the cooperation

728
00:36:03,117 --> 00:36:05,163
of both victims and witnesses.

729
00:36:05,293 --> 00:36:06,816
I said to myself,

730
00:36:06,947 --> 00:36:08,514
"If this comes up again,

731
00:36:08,644 --> 00:36:10,516
I'll have to move on it."

732
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:39,936
LANITA:
The first time I broke

733
00:36:40,067 --> 00:36:42,548
the nondisclosure agreement was

734
00:36:42,678 --> 00:36:45,203
when I did an interview for CBS.

735
00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:47,074
KING:
One of the anonymous accusers

736
00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:49,337
in R. Kelly's criminal case
is speaking out publicly

737
00:36:49,468 --> 00:36:50,730
for the very first time.

738
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:52,775
Celebrities are powerful.

739
00:36:52,906 --> 00:36:56,910
Celebrities have...
support systems.

740
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,913
I-I have no support system

741
00:37:00,043 --> 00:37:02,394
outside of my immediate family.

742
00:37:02,524 --> 00:37:04,178
I did think

743
00:37:04,309 --> 00:37:07,573
that I would go to jail
for, in fact,

744
00:37:07,703 --> 00:37:08,878
speaking out.

745
00:37:09,009 --> 00:37:10,402
She signed an agreement
not to speak.

746
00:37:10,532 --> 00:37:11,707
How is she able to speak now?

747
00:37:11,838 --> 00:37:12,969
Is she just disregarding
that agreement?

748
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:14,623
She's disregarding
that agreement,

749
00:37:14,754 --> 00:37:17,060
and, again,
it's a process for her.

750
00:37:17,191 --> 00:37:20,063
She heard the call
from the state attorney.

751
00:37:20,194 --> 00:37:22,065
And she said,
"You know what? He gets to talk

752
00:37:22,196 --> 00:37:23,806
"about what he says
is his truth.

753
00:37:23,937 --> 00:37:25,243
-I'm gonna speak out."
-KING: Mm-hmm.

754
00:37:25,373 --> 00:37:27,723
Money does not heal you.

755
00:37:27,854 --> 00:37:30,683
Money does not cover up

756
00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:33,599
what you feel.

757
00:37:33,729 --> 00:37:35,775
I took the chance

758
00:37:35,905 --> 00:37:38,647
of going to jail because

759
00:37:38,778 --> 00:37:40,780
I had already
imprisoned myself,

760
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:43,435
so I was already in jail.

761
00:37:43,565 --> 00:37:45,654
How can you lock up somebody
who already locked up?

762
00:37:45,785 --> 00:37:47,439
BELL:
It's about holding people

763
00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:48,918
accountable for their behavior.

764
00:37:49,049 --> 00:37:50,485
And it's about the fact

765
00:37:50,616 --> 00:37:53,967
that it in the history
of American society,

766
00:37:54,097 --> 00:37:57,100
women who are survivors of abuse

767
00:37:57,231 --> 00:38:01,104
rarely see their abusers
get held accountable.

768
00:38:01,235 --> 00:38:03,150
In myself speaking out,

769
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:06,632
I hope to help someone

770
00:38:06,762 --> 00:38:09,199
but, most importantly, myself.

771
00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:10,766
I've always wanted
to be a nurse,

772
00:38:10,897 --> 00:38:13,465
and I've always tried
to go to school to be a nurse,

773
00:38:13,595 --> 00:38:16,685
and life always got in the way.

774
00:38:16,816 --> 00:38:20,036
Education saved my life.

775
00:38:20,167 --> 00:38:22,778
It helps you learn
how to love yourself.

776
00:38:22,909 --> 00:38:25,781
I am a nurse,

777
00:38:25,912 --> 00:38:29,437
and I advocate
for so many people,

778
00:38:29,568 --> 00:38:31,961
and I never advocated
for myself.

779
00:38:32,092 --> 00:38:33,485
I needed to...

780
00:38:33,615 --> 00:38:35,965
start the process of healing,

781
00:38:36,096 --> 00:38:38,881
and so this is my first part
of healing.

782
00:38:40,187 --> 00:38:42,407
MORGAN:
There is the real risk

783
00:38:42,537 --> 00:38:44,626
that women rightfully feel

784
00:38:44,757 --> 00:38:46,672
that if they come forward,

785
00:38:46,802 --> 00:38:49,239
"What am I going to lose?"

786
00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:51,329
You risk your place
in the community.

787
00:38:51,459 --> 00:38:55,245
You risk being ostracized
even by family members.

788
00:38:55,376 --> 00:38:59,162
So to have this moment
says that those voices

789
00:38:59,293 --> 00:39:01,600
and those people
who were harmed and injured

790
00:39:01,730 --> 00:39:03,819
and then had the bravery
to come forward

791
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:05,386
and say,
"Yes, this happened to me,"

792
00:39:05,517 --> 00:39:08,041
they deserve this moment.

793
00:39:08,171 --> 00:39:09,869
They deserve this moment.

794
00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:13,307
Um, and we have to know
that there is some possibility

795
00:39:13,438 --> 00:39:15,091
that if we come forward

796
00:39:15,222 --> 00:39:16,832
about the ways
that we've been assaulted,

797
00:39:16,963 --> 00:39:19,269
that something
is going to be done.

798
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,534
NEWSWOMAN:
R. Kelly, what do you want
to say to your fans?

799
00:39:22,664 --> 00:39:24,753
[reporters clamoring]

800
00:39:24,884 --> 00:39:27,060
-NEWSMAN: Are you innocent?
-NEWSMAN 2: R&B singer R. Kelly

801
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:29,192
is now in police custody.

802
00:39:29,323 --> 00:39:31,934
R. Kelly, le chanteur de R&B...

803
00:39:32,065 --> 00:39:33,675
[newswoman speaking
foreign language]

804
00:39:33,806 --> 00:39:35,285
[speaking Spanish]
...Robert Kelly.

805
00:39:40,465 --> 00:39:42,728
Earlier today,
Robert Kelly was indicted

806
00:39:42,858 --> 00:39:44,904
before a Cook County grand jury

807
00:39:45,034 --> 00:39:48,255
on ten counts of aggravated
criminal sexual abuse

808
00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:51,040
involving four victims.

809
00:39:51,171 --> 00:39:53,565
I was surprised
when he was charged.

810
00:39:53,695 --> 00:39:57,090
Most folks see and accept
as abusers or perpetrators

811
00:39:57,220 --> 00:39:59,919
over and over again getting away
with these kind of crimes,

812
00:40:00,049 --> 00:40:02,661
so I think this time around,

813
00:40:02,791 --> 00:40:04,010
folks want to get it right.

814
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:05,925
Mr. Kelly is strong.

815
00:40:06,055 --> 00:40:08,057
He's got a lot of support,

816
00:40:08,188 --> 00:40:11,539
and he's gonna be vindicated
on all these charges.

817
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:13,106
I think all the women
are lying, yes.

818
00:40:13,236 --> 00:40:15,848
This has become, "Hey, R. Kelly.

819
00:40:15,978 --> 00:40:18,546
I can say R. Kelly
did something. Boom."

820
00:40:18,677 --> 00:40:22,245
Everybody's trying to profit
off of R. Kelly.

821
00:40:22,376 --> 00:40:23,856
NEWSMAN:
The 52-year-old performer

822
00:40:23,986 --> 00:40:25,901
turned himself in
to Chicago police Friday night.

823
00:40:26,032 --> 00:40:27,903
He is being charged
with ten counts

824
00:40:28,034 --> 00:40:30,689
of felony sexual abuse,
each of which carries with it

825
00:40:30,819 --> 00:40:32,778
three to seven years in prison.

826
00:40:32,908 --> 00:40:34,693
It's a bunch of disgruntled
people who are looking

827
00:40:34,823 --> 00:40:37,652
for their 15 minutes
of TMZ fame.

828
00:40:37,783 --> 00:40:40,481
There's no facts
to back up these claims.

829
00:40:40,612 --> 00:40:42,222
So many people saw

830
00:40:42,352 --> 00:40:44,572
the Surviving R. Kelly
documentary and thought,

831
00:40:44,703 --> 00:40:46,313
"Why isn't he in jail?"

832
00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:48,097
That was so significant,

833
00:40:48,228 --> 00:40:51,057
because while
our particular goal

834
00:40:51,187 --> 00:40:52,972
had always been

835
00:40:53,102 --> 00:40:56,279
about trying to convince
the black community

836
00:40:56,410 --> 00:40:58,934
to financially divest itself
from R. Kelly,

837
00:40:59,065 --> 00:41:00,849
the overall goal

838
00:41:00,980 --> 00:41:04,505
has always been so that charges
can be brought against him

839
00:41:04,636 --> 00:41:07,029
and he can be brought
to justice.

840
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,901
Because his victims deserve it.

841
00:41:09,031 --> 00:41:11,773
The ones who've come forward
and the many who have not.

842
00:41:11,904 --> 00:41:13,471
They deserve this justice.

843
00:41:13,601 --> 00:41:14,776
[reporters clamoring]

844
00:41:14,907 --> 00:41:16,343
NEWSMAN:
Are you innocent?

845
00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:18,258
AZARI:
As far as a sentence,

846
00:41:18,388 --> 00:41:21,087
Kelly's facing
three to seven years in prison

847
00:41:21,217 --> 00:41:24,525
for each count of aggravated
criminal sexual abuse.

848
00:41:24,656 --> 00:41:28,486
He's facing a fine
of up to $25,000 on each count,

849
00:41:28,616 --> 00:41:30,966
and he's facing
sex registration.

850
00:41:31,097 --> 00:41:32,838
There are four victims
in this case.

851
00:41:32,968 --> 00:41:35,014
One is Jerhonda Pace.

852
00:41:37,233 --> 00:41:39,801
DeROGATIS: Jerhonda was
a 15-year-old superfan--

853
00:41:39,932 --> 00:41:42,064
her language--
from the Southern suburbs

854
00:41:42,195 --> 00:41:44,066
who cut high school class

855
00:41:44,197 --> 00:41:47,026
to attend every day
of Kelly's public trial.

856
00:41:47,156 --> 00:41:50,029
Sheriff's officers were supposed
to be carding at the door

857
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:53,162
so nobody under 18 was admitted.

858
00:41:53,293 --> 00:41:55,077
Jerhonda lied about her age.

859
00:41:55,208 --> 00:41:57,993
Six months or so
after the trial ended,

860
00:41:58,124 --> 00:42:00,213
after the acquittal,
he begins...

861
00:42:00,343 --> 00:42:02,302
initiates sexual contact
with her.

862
00:42:02,432 --> 00:42:04,217
If you're trying
to just walk away

863
00:42:04,347 --> 00:42:05,653
with just blaming R. Kelly,

864
00:42:05,784 --> 00:42:07,568
then you are out of touch.

865
00:42:07,699 --> 00:42:09,527
Parents need to know

866
00:42:09,657 --> 00:42:11,093
where your kids are.

867
00:42:11,224 --> 00:42:13,879
I am a grown-ass man

868
00:42:14,009 --> 00:42:15,968
who travels around the world.

869
00:42:16,098 --> 00:42:19,667
My mother knows where I am now.

870
00:42:19,798 --> 00:42:20,929
LINDSEY:
I would ask their parents.

871
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:22,452
I would question them,

872
00:42:22,583 --> 00:42:24,106
and I would say, "Why did you

873
00:42:24,237 --> 00:42:27,109
"allow your daughter
to go through this abuse?

874
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,808
"What were your motives
as parents,

875
00:42:29,938 --> 00:42:32,114
and why didn't you help
your daughter?"

876
00:42:32,245 --> 00:42:34,377
Choosing men
and being in relationships

877
00:42:34,508 --> 00:42:35,944
that are ultimately harmful...

878
00:42:36,075 --> 00:42:38,599
These are points of decisions,

879
00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:41,559
but what's important to remember
is that the material

880
00:42:41,689 --> 00:42:44,474
that they're making
decisions with is corrupted.

881
00:42:50,176 --> 00:42:53,005
Honestly,
I had never received counseling

882
00:42:53,135 --> 00:42:55,050
for everything
I've been through,

883
00:42:55,181 --> 00:42:56,748
from the time I was

884
00:42:56,878 --> 00:42:58,793
sexually abused
at age four, six and eight

885
00:42:58,924 --> 00:43:01,143
and then, um, then Rob.

886
00:43:01,274 --> 00:43:03,493
He abused me again at 16,

887
00:43:03,624 --> 00:43:06,235
so abuse was my comfort zone.

888
00:43:06,366 --> 00:43:07,672
It really did damage me.

889
00:43:07,802 --> 00:43:09,151
Growing up,

890
00:43:09,282 --> 00:43:11,458
I knew my mom
was a nonchalant mom.

891
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:15,462
I knew she was one of those
that-that didn't care.

892
00:43:15,593 --> 00:43:18,726
Like, she didn't care
whether or not I showed up.

893
00:43:18,857 --> 00:43:20,467
So, like,
what I was going through?

894
00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:22,817
It didn't matter.

895
00:43:22,948 --> 00:43:24,776
When you come
from a broken home,

896
00:43:24,906 --> 00:43:27,996
it's like a part of you knows
when somebody else is broken

897
00:43:28,127 --> 00:43:29,694
or if they come
from a broken home.

898
00:43:29,824 --> 00:43:32,653
And what Rob did was normal.

899
00:43:35,090 --> 00:43:38,528
When I started out with Rob,
I didn't get this...

900
00:43:38,659 --> 00:43:40,661
overly sexual guy.

901
00:43:40,792 --> 00:43:42,794
It was more, "I care about you.

902
00:43:42,924 --> 00:43:44,839
"You've been through this,
and I want to protect you

903
00:43:44,970 --> 00:43:47,059
from all of that stuff."

904
00:43:47,189 --> 00:43:50,149
He offered me security.
He offered me protection,

905
00:43:50,279 --> 00:43:52,586
and that's something
that I didn't have growing up.

906
00:43:52,717 --> 00:43:55,545
If he wasn't starving me,
he was asking me if I ate.

907
00:43:55,676 --> 00:43:58,070
I was so grateful
for that. Like,

908
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,462
he actually asked me if I ate.

909
00:43:59,593 --> 00:44:01,813
Like, my mom has never in life--

910
00:44:01,943 --> 00:44:05,077
to this day--
she has never asked me if I ate.

911
00:44:05,207 --> 00:44:07,819
So I was like,
"That is something."

912
00:44:07,949 --> 00:44:11,431
And it was those small things
that meant the most to me.

913
00:44:11,561 --> 00:44:13,868
He did speak

914
00:44:13,999 --> 00:44:17,045
about how bad
his childhood was growing up,

915
00:44:17,176 --> 00:44:18,656
how he was sexually abused
as a child.

916
00:44:20,701 --> 00:44:23,530
He was talking about some
pretty dark times in his life

917
00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:25,314
and how he was just

918
00:44:25,445 --> 00:44:27,490
never able to find someone
that he could trust.

919
00:44:27,621 --> 00:44:29,057
But when it came

920
00:44:29,188 --> 00:44:31,494
to me, he trusted me
with everything.

921
00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:34,367
ASANTE:
He told me
about him being abused,

922
00:44:34,497 --> 00:44:36,412
how we shared similar pasts.

923
00:44:36,543 --> 00:44:38,980
So he made me feel safe
and comfortable,

924
00:44:39,111 --> 00:44:40,329
and he promised me
that he would never be like

925
00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:41,983
the other men in my life.

926
00:44:42,114 --> 00:44:43,506
LIZZETTE:
As a child,

927
00:44:43,637 --> 00:44:45,160
I was sexually abused.

928
00:44:45,291 --> 00:44:46,727
You know,

929
00:44:46,858 --> 00:44:48,990
by a family member, as well.

930
00:44:49,121 --> 00:44:52,080
So when he opened up,

931
00:44:52,211 --> 00:44:54,909
I felt a connection to him
because of that.

932
00:44:56,171 --> 00:44:58,086
That manipulation goes so...

933
00:44:58,217 --> 00:45:00,741
Look at me still t-today.
I still

934
00:45:00,872 --> 00:45:04,223
am talking about the little boy
that I feel...

935
00:45:04,353 --> 00:45:07,530
needs to be saved.

936
00:45:07,661 --> 00:45:09,228
If a perpetrator appears broken,

937
00:45:09,358 --> 00:45:12,361
he doesn't come off as a threat.

938
00:45:12,492 --> 00:45:13,580
They might be thinking
they're gonna take care

939
00:45:13,711 --> 00:45:15,016
and they're gonna love

940
00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:16,714
and they're gonna be
the comfort for him.

941
00:45:16,844 --> 00:45:19,368
It's just such a manipulation

942
00:45:19,499 --> 00:45:22,067
that I've never seen before.
Like that, like,

943
00:45:22,197 --> 00:45:24,156
he's mastered that.

944
00:45:24,286 --> 00:45:25,940
You could have
a party in the house,

945
00:45:26,071 --> 00:45:27,986
and he would just look
for the one that's kind of

946
00:45:28,116 --> 00:45:32,033
off to the side, not mingling
too much and be like, "Okay,

947
00:45:32,164 --> 00:45:34,732
"this person just over there
keeping to themselves,

948
00:45:34,862 --> 00:45:36,472
you're hiding something
or you're uncomfortable."

949
00:45:36,603 --> 00:45:38,910
And he would go
grab that person.

950
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,087
And it was usually
the youngest one in the room.

951
00:45:42,217 --> 00:45:44,524
Robert can smell a wounded woman

952
00:45:44,654 --> 00:45:46,265
a mile away.

953
00:45:46,395 --> 00:45:49,137
It was a different side
of him that I-I'd seen.

954
00:45:49,268 --> 00:45:52,706
I didn't expect him
to be this-this monster.

955
00:45:52,837 --> 00:45:54,926
I didn't expect him
to be so evil.

956
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:25,086
To grow up and not have

957
00:46:25,217 --> 00:46:27,654
my, uh, my father present...

958
00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:29,656
And to just not have, you know,

959
00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:32,398
a positive mother

960
00:46:32,528 --> 00:46:35,009
present, then to just
all of a sudden

961
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:37,359
have R. Kelly choose you.

962
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:39,231
It was a-a high for me.

963
00:46:39,361 --> 00:46:41,320
It was, like,
the highlight of my life.

964
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:43,322
Like, you don't
understand, like,

965
00:46:43,452 --> 00:46:45,280
this is R. Kelly-- he chose me.

966
00:46:45,411 --> 00:46:47,892
Nobody in my life
had valued me.

967
00:46:48,022 --> 00:46:49,981
You know, when I graduated,
nobody showed up

968
00:46:50,111 --> 00:46:52,548
for my graduation
and it was like

969
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:54,333
I was always the ugly duckling.

970
00:46:54,463 --> 00:46:57,162
I was always looked over.

971
00:46:57,292 --> 00:47:00,208
And Rob, he just treated me
so much better than,

972
00:47:00,339 --> 00:47:02,428
you know, my family
had treated me.

973
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,519
NORCOTT:
Often what we see is that

974
00:47:06,649 --> 00:47:09,739
what starts off as comforting
and warm and loving,

975
00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:12,177
that begins
to lay the groundwork

976
00:47:12,307 --> 00:47:15,658
for the oncoming
and upcoming abuse.

977
00:47:15,789 --> 00:47:17,660
It was a different side
of him that I-I'd seen.

978
00:47:17,791 --> 00:47:19,445
That I did not expect.

979
00:47:19,575 --> 00:47:21,708
I was just scared.

980
00:47:23,623 --> 00:47:25,277
You're not allowed
to speak to any other men.

981
00:47:25,407 --> 00:47:27,279
You're not allowed to speak
to friends or family.

982
00:47:27,409 --> 00:47:30,282
You can only use
the cell phone I give you.

983
00:47:30,412 --> 00:47:32,284
You must ask my permission
to go to the bathroom

984
00:47:32,414 --> 00:47:35,417
or to take a drink,
and if you break my rules,

985
00:47:35,548 --> 00:47:38,377
you are punished
physically and mentally.

986
00:47:38,507 --> 00:47:41,206
JERHONDA:
Any time Rob would flip out,

987
00:47:41,336 --> 00:47:43,861
it always resulted in him

988
00:47:43,991 --> 00:47:45,863
becoming physical with me.

989
00:47:45,993 --> 00:47:47,603
I knew I couldn't
defend myself, because if I,

990
00:47:47,734 --> 00:47:49,518
if I hit him,
it would be worse.

991
00:47:49,649 --> 00:47:51,999
If I say something,
it would be worse.

992
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:53,740
If I tried to run...

993
00:47:53,871 --> 00:47:55,133
like, no,
it wasn't gonna be right.

994
00:47:55,263 --> 00:47:56,656
He was gonna grab me
and he was

995
00:47:56,786 --> 00:47:58,266
gonna do more damage,

996
00:47:58,397 --> 00:48:00,181
so all I could do
was just sit there

997
00:48:00,312 --> 00:48:03,663
and just take
whatever he was dishing.

998
00:48:03,793 --> 00:48:06,318
It's a really messed-up
thing, but it's

999
00:48:06,448 --> 00:48:08,233
what I grew up around,
and I feel like

1000
00:48:08,363 --> 00:48:10,757
that's why I ended up with Rob.

1001
00:48:10,888 --> 00:48:13,368
NORCOTT:
Ultimately, humans

1002
00:48:13,499 --> 00:48:15,327
are seeking comfort
and familiarity.

1003
00:48:15,457 --> 00:48:17,590
So, I want love,

1004
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:19,157
he's giving me love.

1005
00:48:19,287 --> 00:48:20,985
But I just don't want the abuse.

1006
00:48:21,115 --> 00:48:23,291
In interpersonal
violence relationships,

1007
00:48:23,422 --> 00:48:26,686
the perpetrator also is
the person that gives hope.

1008
00:48:26,816 --> 00:48:29,689
Right, and the perpetrator
gives pain,

1009
00:48:29,819 --> 00:48:32,300
but also gives relief
from that pain.

1010
00:48:32,431 --> 00:48:35,651
And in a disorganized state,

1011
00:48:35,782 --> 00:48:38,263
or in the midst
of the chaos of violence,

1012
00:48:38,393 --> 00:48:40,874
that is relieving.

1013
00:48:41,005 --> 00:48:42,528
Right, and so then,
you seek relief,

1014
00:48:42,658 --> 00:48:44,312
and you seek it
from the person closest to you.

1015
00:48:44,443 --> 00:48:47,098
Which happens to be
your perpetrator.

1016
00:48:47,228 --> 00:48:49,013
I think what we all had
in common was that we had

1017
00:48:49,143 --> 00:48:52,364
compassion and empathy
for his past.

1018
00:48:52,494 --> 00:48:54,714
Whatever fetishes
and desires that he had,

1019
00:48:54,844 --> 00:48:57,891
we were willing to please him.

1020
00:48:58,022 --> 00:48:59,980
We wanted his approval.

1021
00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:06,726
Sexual abuse at a really
early age can

1022
00:49:06,856 --> 00:49:09,598
affect the way
you relate with sex.

1023
00:49:09,729 --> 00:49:11,426
It can make you see sex
as a tool

1024
00:49:11,557 --> 00:49:14,168
to get closer to people.

1025
00:49:14,299 --> 00:49:16,779
To, um, control people.

1026
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:19,391
It can be used as
a tool to dominate.

1027
00:49:22,437 --> 00:49:24,526
ASANTE:
I guess it's, like,

1028
00:49:24,657 --> 00:49:26,224
sexual abuse
because I was forced

1029
00:49:26,354 --> 00:49:28,661
to perform sexual acts
that I didn't agree with.

1030
00:49:28,791 --> 00:49:30,489
You know, I would say,
"No, I don't want to do it."

1031
00:49:30,619 --> 00:49:31,794
But again,
he would intimidate me.

1032
00:49:31,925 --> 00:49:33,622
He would scream at me, and say,

1033
00:49:33,753 --> 00:49:35,102
"Well, you know,
there's other women

1034
00:49:35,233 --> 00:49:36,799
"that'd be happy to be here.

1035
00:49:36,930 --> 00:49:38,279
"See, so-and-so don't
have a problem doing it.

1036
00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:39,977
"I thought you loved Daddy.

1037
00:49:40,107 --> 00:49:41,456
You would do anything
to please Daddy."

1038
00:49:41,587 --> 00:49:43,763
And so when he do that,
it's, like, okay,

1039
00:49:43,893 --> 00:49:46,070
I have to do whatever
I need to do to please you,

1040
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,549
whether I agree with it or not.

1041
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:53,077
And, then, once I'm finished,
I'm just going

1042
00:49:53,207 --> 00:49:56,167
in my room crying with regret
that I actually did it.

1043
00:49:56,297 --> 00:49:58,778
I was summoned to sex
whenever he wanted me to

1044
00:49:58,908 --> 00:50:01,911
have sex with him
and with whoever, other girls.

1045
00:50:02,042 --> 00:50:05,002
It just made you feel
so belittled.

1046
00:50:05,132 --> 00:50:08,527
I felt literally ill,
you know, having sex with him

1047
00:50:08,657 --> 00:50:11,660
when I knew that there were...

1048
00:50:11,791 --> 00:50:13,358
fetishes involved in it.

1049
00:50:13,488 --> 00:50:15,316
And it was

1050
00:50:15,447 --> 00:50:18,058
feeding a sickness.

1051
00:50:18,189 --> 00:50:19,625
So I would feel ill
to my stomach,

1052
00:50:19,755 --> 00:50:21,322
because I felt like...

1053
00:50:21,453 --> 00:50:23,672
you know, I compare it to...

1054
00:50:26,110 --> 00:50:29,243
...someone you know
and love on drugs.

1055
00:50:29,374 --> 00:50:31,332
And then you're
just giving it to them

1056
00:50:31,463 --> 00:50:34,422
every day, and as long
as they don't go off and do it

1057
00:50:34,553 --> 00:50:36,294
somewhere else
and they're in the safety net

1058
00:50:36,424 --> 00:50:37,991
of your home
and in front of you,

1059
00:50:38,122 --> 00:50:39,340
you're okay with it.

1060
00:50:39,471 --> 00:50:40,559
But you're still responsible

1061
00:50:40,689 --> 00:50:42,735
because you're feeding it.

1062
00:50:42,865 --> 00:50:44,171
He don't like women.

1063
00:50:44,302 --> 00:50:45,607
He treat women so badly

1064
00:50:45,738 --> 00:50:47,566
because he have a hate for them.

1065
00:50:47,696 --> 00:50:51,396
And I-I really think
that hate is,

1066
00:50:51,526 --> 00:50:53,615
uh, because of his sexual abuse.

1067
00:50:53,746 --> 00:50:56,314
And he talked about how
his mom didn't protect him.

1068
00:50:56,444 --> 00:50:59,752
Even though he loved his mother
with everything in him,

1069
00:50:59,882 --> 00:51:02,842
he always talked about
how she never protected him.

1070
00:51:02,972 --> 00:51:05,714
So, I think that's a part
of his hate for women.

1071
00:51:42,882 --> 00:51:45,798
GREENBERG:
So we're-we're very happy with
the bond that the judge set.

1072
00:51:45,928 --> 00:51:47,887
I think it's fair and reasonable
given the allegations.

1073
00:51:48,017 --> 00:51:50,150
We hope that, uh,
Mr. Kelly's able

1074
00:51:50,281 --> 00:51:53,022
to get the money together
and post bond.

1075
00:51:53,153 --> 00:51:55,677
Look, I finally got around
to watching that documentary.

1076
00:51:55,808 --> 00:51:59,290
It was a rehash of things
they've known for years.

1077
00:51:59,420 --> 00:52:02,206
The police have investigated
and everybody rejected it.

1078
00:52:02,336 --> 00:52:03,729
I think all the women
are lying.

1079
00:52:03,859 --> 00:52:07,167
Everybody's trying to profit
off of R. Kelly.

1080
00:52:07,298 --> 00:52:11,040
I know on-on one of the cases,

1081
00:52:11,171 --> 00:52:13,521
there are a number of interviews
where the young lady says,

1082
00:52:13,652 --> 00:52:15,349
"I lied about how old I was.

1083
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,395
I lied to him about
how old I was."

1084
00:52:17,525 --> 00:52:19,048
And then recently said, "Oh, no,

1085
00:52:19,179 --> 00:52:21,921
I lied about lying
about how old he was."

1086
00:52:22,051 --> 00:52:23,879
We'll have to look at it.

1087
00:52:31,104 --> 00:52:32,149
Well...

1088
00:52:39,373 --> 00:52:42,681
So, so, you have
a book coming out.

1089
00:52:42,811 --> 00:52:46,511
And I hope you sell,
I hope you sell lots of books.

1090
00:52:49,427 --> 00:52:52,647
What else is your question?

1091
00:52:52,778 --> 00:52:54,388
When I blew up
at Steve Greenberg,

1092
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:55,911
you know... [stammers]

1093
00:52:56,042 --> 00:52:57,478
It's not very professional,
you know?

1094
00:52:57,609 --> 00:53:00,742
But I had just seen
Jerhonda and, uh,

1095
00:53:00,873 --> 00:53:03,267
she had sat in the court room

1096
00:53:03,397 --> 00:53:05,617
as the charges were read
against Kelly.

1097
00:53:05,747 --> 00:53:08,794
Greenberg is saying
point blank that

1098
00:53:08,924 --> 00:53:11,623
everyone in
the new Illinois case,

1099
00:53:11,753 --> 00:53:14,582
all of these people
who have accused R. Kelly

1100
00:53:14,713 --> 00:53:17,455
are liars,
and-and I said what I said.

1101
00:53:17,585 --> 00:53:19,152
You're calling victims liars.

1102
00:53:19,283 --> 00:53:21,720
What is wrong with you,
Mr. Greenberg?

1103
00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:23,417
This is not about women
finding their voices.

1104
00:53:23,548 --> 00:53:25,506
We have always had our voices.

1105
00:53:25,637 --> 00:53:28,205
This is about people's
ability to hear, right?

1106
00:53:28,335 --> 00:53:29,858
We've just finally
found a frequency

1107
00:53:29,989 --> 00:53:31,512
that people can hear us.

1108
00:53:31,643 --> 00:53:33,732
But, ultimately,
our work is not finished

1109
00:53:33,862 --> 00:53:36,517
until those people
who have suffered at the hands

1110
00:53:36,648 --> 00:53:39,607
of R. Kelly have what they
need to feel whole again.

1111
00:53:39,738 --> 00:53:42,523
When it comes to all the abuse
that I've suffered, uh,

1112
00:53:42,654 --> 00:53:46,223
growing up, I still have
trust issues from it.

1113
00:53:46,353 --> 00:53:48,790
And another thing that--

1114
00:53:48,921 --> 00:53:51,140
this may be too much
information, but...

1115
00:53:51,271 --> 00:53:53,186
I still have, um,

1116
00:53:53,317 --> 00:53:55,319
problems with having sex
with my husband.

1117
00:53:55,449 --> 00:53:57,669
Of everything
that I went through,

1118
00:53:57,799 --> 00:54:01,499
I don't really know
how to enjoy sex.

1119
00:54:01,629 --> 00:54:03,892
Because I'm so used
to being controlled.

1120
00:54:04,023 --> 00:54:06,765
My relationship with Rob
has really affected me.

1121
00:54:06,895 --> 00:54:08,419
I don't trust men.

1122
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:10,986
I feel like everybody
have a hidden agenda.

1123
00:54:11,117 --> 00:54:13,467
They'll just want to hear
your past and take your pain

1124
00:54:13,598 --> 00:54:15,252
and use it against you.

1125
00:54:15,382 --> 00:54:18,255
It's very hard to start
trusting a guy again, you know.

1126
00:54:18,385 --> 00:54:20,692
After your name is in public,

1127
00:54:20,822 --> 00:54:23,477
now I can't just sit down
to dinner and the guy's like,

1128
00:54:23,608 --> 00:54:24,913
"Yeah, you know,
I-I work construction.

1129
00:54:25,044 --> 00:54:26,437
What do you do?"

1130
00:54:26,567 --> 00:54:29,309
And then I just freeze.

1131
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,225
You know, I'm like,
"Oh, wow, I don't want him

1132
00:54:32,356 --> 00:54:34,575
"to know this background,
but if he googles me,

1133
00:54:34,706 --> 00:54:36,098
it's everywhere, so..."

1134
00:54:36,229 --> 00:54:37,752
It's just one of my fears.

1135
00:54:37,883 --> 00:54:39,493
I don't want to talk
about him all the time.

1136
00:54:39,624 --> 00:54:41,452
BURKE:
I am 30-something years

1137
00:54:41,582 --> 00:54:42,496
removed from the first time

1138
00:54:42,627 --> 00:54:44,716
I was sexually abused,

1139
00:54:44,846 --> 00:54:47,284
and I still have to deal
with the trauma of that.

1140
00:54:47,414 --> 00:54:49,329
I still carry that in my body.

1141
00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:51,897
I, um, am also a survivor

1142
00:54:52,027 --> 00:54:54,639
of sexual assault and...

1143
00:54:54,769 --> 00:54:57,206
We don't get to just move on.

1144
00:54:57,337 --> 00:55:00,862
There's never a day
we don't think about it.

1145
00:55:00,993 --> 00:55:02,560
It's never just
news of the week,

1146
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:04,301
and now we've moved on
to something else.

1147
00:55:04,431 --> 00:55:06,607
And the very least we can do

1148
00:55:06,738 --> 00:55:08,870
for R. Kelly survivors

1149
00:55:09,001 --> 00:55:11,220
is not be too tired to care.

1150
00:55:11,351 --> 00:55:13,962
They live with this
every single day.

1151
00:55:14,093 --> 00:55:16,051
We can, at the very least,

1152
00:55:16,182 --> 00:55:18,619
match that energy and make sure

1153
00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:20,447
that we see this thing
all the way through.

1154
00:55:22,536 --> 00:55:24,408
JERHONDA:
For me to tell my story,

1155
00:55:24,538 --> 00:55:26,323
it was really,
really, really hard.

1156
00:55:26,453 --> 00:55:27,846
It definitely

1157
00:55:27,976 --> 00:55:29,543
triggered PTSD for me.

1158
00:55:29,674 --> 00:55:32,154
And it brought back
all the memories.

1159
00:55:32,285 --> 00:55:33,460
You know, I thought
I was over it.

1160
00:55:33,591 --> 00:55:34,722
It showed me that

1161
00:55:34,853 --> 00:55:36,507
I wasn't over those things.

1162
00:55:36,637 --> 00:55:40,380
And it showed me that
it really did damage me.

1163
00:55:40,511 --> 00:55:43,557
So, it-it definitely
took me back.

1164
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:48,954
With-with Rob,

1165
00:55:49,084 --> 00:55:51,086
I was a part of
a suicide pact with him.

1166
00:55:51,217 --> 00:55:54,220
And if anything
was to happen to him,

1167
00:55:54,351 --> 00:55:56,570
if he was to go to jail

1168
00:55:56,701 --> 00:55:58,877
or if someone was to harm him,

1169
00:55:59,007 --> 00:56:02,576
I was supposed to kill myself.

1170
00:56:02,707 --> 00:56:04,752
[voice breaks]:
And... I'm sorry.

1171
00:56:04,883 --> 00:56:07,146
I'm getting emotional.

1172
00:56:08,887 --> 00:56:11,193
[sobbing]

1173
00:56:14,588 --> 00:56:16,721
TIM:
He's the mastermind.

1174
00:56:16,851 --> 00:56:18,984
ARMANI:
I watched this man

1175
00:56:19,114 --> 00:56:21,595
manipulate my little sister.

1176
00:56:21,726 --> 00:56:23,118
JERHONDA:
Rob, he was everything

1177
00:56:23,249 --> 00:56:25,773
to me... like, Rob was my life.

1178
00:56:25,904 --> 00:56:28,123
I would think I would be done,
but you know,

1179
00:56:28,254 --> 00:56:31,083
I would leave feeling
like I had nothing.

1180
00:56:31,213 --> 00:56:33,694
He [bleep] my daughter up.

1181
00:56:33,825 --> 00:56:35,174
Emotionally.

1182
00:56:35,304 --> 00:56:37,132
PRODUCER:
Dominique, are you ready?

1183
00:56:37,263 --> 00:56:38,395
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