1 00:00:04,439 --> 00:00:06,963 prison, 2 00:00:07,094 --> 00:00:10,793 I-I picture a-a 15-year-old boy in prison. 3 00:00:10,923 --> 00:00:12,751 That's how I see him. 4 00:00:15,754 --> 00:00:20,063 And I don't want to see him that way. 5 00:00:22,935 --> 00:00:25,112 BRUCE KELLY: Robert is our brother. 6 00:00:25,242 --> 00:00:27,244 He need us. 7 00:00:27,375 --> 00:00:30,508 What he's facing, he may never get out. 8 00:00:30,639 --> 00:00:32,510 That's a possibility. 9 00:00:32,641 --> 00:00:36,427 This is karma. 10 00:00:36,558 --> 00:00:40,953 I mean, what you do here you gonna pay for. 11 00:00:41,084 --> 00:00:43,130 He's always felt that he was God. He felt like 12 00:00:43,260 --> 00:00:44,653 he was above everything and everybody. 13 00:00:44,783 --> 00:00:45,784 That he was untouchable. 14 00:00:45,915 --> 00:00:48,135 [crying] 15 00:00:48,265 --> 00:00:50,354 JAMILAH LEMIEUX: Reasonable people should be able to watch this 16 00:00:50,485 --> 00:00:53,531 and really be on board with the need for consequences, 17 00:00:53,662 --> 00:00:54,880 right, the need for 18 00:00:55,011 --> 00:00:56,969 a reckoning with R. Kelly. 19 00:00:57,100 --> 00:00:59,624 ORONIKE ODELEYE: After the first, the second, the third, 20 00:00:59,755 --> 00:01:03,454 the fourth, the fifth, we could have said, "No more." 21 00:01:03,585 --> 00:01:06,066 But then there was the sixth, the seventh, the eighth. 22 00:01:06,196 --> 00:01:08,416 We could have stopped at that. Then there's the ninth, 23 00:01:08,546 --> 00:01:10,026 the tenth, the 11th. 24 00:01:10,157 --> 00:01:13,595 This has been going on for close to 30 years now 25 00:01:13,725 --> 00:01:15,162 because of silence. 26 00:01:15,292 --> 00:01:17,729 [crying] 27 00:01:17,860 --> 00:01:21,864 It shouldn't have happened. 28 00:01:21,994 --> 00:01:23,300 KANIKA JONES: He's done some 29 00:01:23,431 --> 00:01:25,824 really sick things to a lot of people, 30 00:01:25,955 --> 00:01:29,567 and, uh, he has to pay for it. 31 00:01:29,698 --> 00:01:34,006 He's guilty of falling victim to his own 32 00:01:34,137 --> 00:01:38,359 madness, his own God-like complex. 33 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,799 ♪ 34 00:01:48,325 --> 00:01:50,588 [cheering] 35 00:02:12,697 --> 00:02:14,351 ODELEYE: The parents of R. Kelly's survivors, 36 00:02:14,482 --> 00:02:16,484 the judgment that they get 37 00:02:16,614 --> 00:02:18,225 is horrific. 38 00:02:18,355 --> 00:02:20,140 BRITTANY CUNNINGHAM: These young women 39 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:22,881 have continuously been put on trial themselves. 40 00:02:23,012 --> 00:02:27,538 "What were you wearing that R. Kelly was attracted to?" 41 00:02:27,669 --> 00:02:32,500 "Why did you present yourself as older than you were?" 42 00:02:32,630 --> 00:02:34,154 "Why did your parents put you in this position?" 43 00:02:36,417 --> 00:02:38,636 JIM DeROGATIS: The story here is, 44 00:02:38,767 --> 00:02:41,335 how did he get away with this for 30 years? 45 00:02:41,465 --> 00:02:43,598 It should have ended 46 00:02:43,728 --> 00:02:46,992 with Tiffany Hawkins, victim number one. 47 00:02:47,123 --> 00:02:48,211 TIFFANY HAWKINS: I was the first girl, 48 00:02:48,342 --> 00:02:50,257 and nobody believed me. 49 00:02:50,387 --> 00:02:52,041 DEMETRIUS SMITH: He married Aaliyah. 50 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:54,609 Aaliyah was like the sacrificial lamb for all that. 51 00:02:54,739 --> 00:02:58,047 DeROGATIS: Tracy Sampson, her sexual contact begins when she is 17. 52 00:02:58,178 --> 00:03:00,963 Patrice Jones at age 17. 53 00:03:01,093 --> 00:03:02,269 She became pregnant. 54 00:03:02,399 --> 00:03:05,272 A fourth public lawsuit, Montina Woods, 55 00:03:05,402 --> 00:03:06,838 was videotaped. 56 00:03:06,969 --> 00:03:09,058 Mr. Kelly has been indicted. There's been a warrant 57 00:03:09,189 --> 00:03:10,842 issued for his arrest. 58 00:03:10,973 --> 00:03:13,149 The block filled up with police cars. 59 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,151 [sirens wail] 60 00:03:15,282 --> 00:03:18,285 ODELEYE: He was not guilty, even though the evidence was there. 61 00:03:18,415 --> 00:03:20,722 DeROGATIS: I know the names of 48 women 62 00:03:20,852 --> 00:03:24,160 whose lives Kelly has ruined. 63 00:03:24,291 --> 00:03:26,858 48 women can't be lying. 64 00:03:26,989 --> 00:03:28,643 Some of his alleged victims are speaking out 65 00:03:28,773 --> 00:03:30,079 in a powerful new docuseries. 66 00:03:33,038 --> 00:03:35,693 NEWSMAN: R. Kelly turned himself into Chicago police Friday night. 67 00:03:39,349 --> 00:03:40,655 GERALD GRIGGS: If there's no problem 68 00:03:40,785 --> 00:03:42,352 that she's with Mr. Robert Sylvester Kelly, 69 00:03:42,483 --> 00:03:46,138 she could easily speak to her two younger sisters. 70 00:03:48,706 --> 00:03:50,752 CROWD [chanting]: Black girls matter. 71 00:03:50,882 --> 00:03:54,321 Black girls matter. Black girls, we love you. 72 00:03:54,451 --> 00:03:56,236 -Joycelyn. -CROWD: We love you. 73 00:03:56,366 --> 00:03:58,325 -Azriel. -CROWD: We love you. 74 00:03:58,455 --> 00:04:00,631 -Joycelyn. -CROWD: We love you. 75 00:04:00,762 --> 00:04:02,242 ODELEYE: Mute R. Kelly was really born 76 00:04:02,372 --> 00:04:04,505 out of the work that the Savages were doing 77 00:04:04,635 --> 00:04:05,810 to get their daughter back. 78 00:04:05,941 --> 00:04:08,073 Just seeing their anguish and their pain 79 00:04:08,204 --> 00:04:11,207 really inspired me to act and really to try to figure out 80 00:04:11,338 --> 00:04:14,428 how to amplify their voice and the voice of all of the parents 81 00:04:14,558 --> 00:04:16,560 and all of the women who have been coming forward. 82 00:04:16,691 --> 00:04:18,562 Joycelyn, if you're seeing this message, 83 00:04:18,693 --> 00:04:21,261 please know that I love you, I'm your mother, 84 00:04:21,391 --> 00:04:22,871 I love you dearly. 85 00:04:23,001 --> 00:04:25,221 ODELEYE: No parent should have to go on TV, 86 00:04:25,352 --> 00:04:27,571 crying about their daughter being abused, 87 00:04:27,702 --> 00:04:30,095 being kidnapped basically, being brainwashed, 88 00:04:30,226 --> 00:04:31,575 being turned against them. 89 00:04:31,706 --> 00:04:35,318 The Mute R. Kelly campaign got traction, 90 00:04:35,449 --> 00:04:37,320 uh, both because of the fact that people were saying 91 00:04:37,451 --> 00:04:38,800 that he was running a sex cult 92 00:04:38,930 --> 00:04:40,976 and also the #MeToo movement. 93 00:04:41,106 --> 00:04:43,283 Why should there be a-a movement 94 00:04:43,413 --> 00:04:47,461 that was holding all these high-profile people accountable, 95 00:04:47,591 --> 00:04:49,201 and yet R. Kelly 96 00:04:49,332 --> 00:04:51,160 was still bumping and grinding his way 97 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:53,249 through the music industry? 98 00:05:05,087 --> 00:05:06,654 Right after Gayle King, 99 00:05:06,784 --> 00:05:08,482 we got a call 100 00:05:08,612 --> 00:05:10,222 from Joycelyn. 101 00:05:12,094 --> 00:05:14,705 Hi, Joycelyn. This is Mommy. 102 00:05:29,285 --> 00:05:32,854 It was a planned call, 103 00:05:32,984 --> 00:05:36,031 but in the midst of that call, 104 00:05:36,161 --> 00:05:40,427 my youngest daughter Jori got on the phone... 105 00:05:40,557 --> 00:05:42,516 Hey, Joycelyn. 106 00:05:43,952 --> 00:05:46,824 Hey, Joycelyn. 107 00:05:46,955 --> 00:05:48,870 It's Jori. 108 00:05:53,135 --> 00:05:56,312 You could hear a break in her trance. 109 00:05:56,443 --> 00:05:58,880 She would go... [stammers] 110 00:05:59,010 --> 00:06:01,099 She didn't know what to say 111 00:06:01,230 --> 00:06:05,321 unless somebody else pointed her to get back on track. 112 00:06:05,452 --> 00:06:09,107 Now, he's trained these girls not to go against kids. 113 00:06:09,238 --> 00:06:11,022 JONJELYN: And Jerhonda's confirmed that. 114 00:06:11,153 --> 00:06:13,764 -Jerhonda had been telling me a few weeks prior to that... -Right. 115 00:06:13,895 --> 00:06:16,332 Jori, our youngest daughter, needs to talk to Joycelyn 116 00:06:16,463 --> 00:06:17,812 because they weren't trained 117 00:06:17,942 --> 00:06:19,901 -to go against younger kids. -Right. 118 00:06:20,031 --> 00:06:23,687 -We love you, Joycelyn. -We love you, Joycelyn. 119 00:06:25,907 --> 00:06:29,693 Can you please come home? 120 00:06:29,824 --> 00:06:31,652 [softly]: Can you please come home? 121 00:06:31,782 --> 00:06:34,350 -Can you please come home? -I'm here, Joyce-- I'm here, Joycelyn. 122 00:06:40,617 --> 00:06:42,532 Why haven't you been able to call? 123 00:06:42,663 --> 00:06:44,665 Why haven't you been able to call anybody in your family 124 00:06:44,795 --> 00:06:46,449 or friends? 125 00:06:50,061 --> 00:06:52,412 I understand you're happy, but why haven't you been able 126 00:06:52,542 --> 00:06:54,544 to call any of your family or your friends, 127 00:06:54,675 --> 00:06:56,459 or come to your daddy's-- granddaddy's funeral? 128 00:06:56,590 --> 00:06:58,635 And you know your grandmother has stage IV cancer. 129 00:06:58,766 --> 00:07:00,811 You haven't called her, and they're very wary. 130 00:07:12,257 --> 00:07:13,694 How would we know you're happy 131 00:07:13,824 --> 00:07:16,740 when we don't hear from you in two years? 132 00:07:19,134 --> 00:07:22,137 I love you, Joycelyn. 133 00:07:23,747 --> 00:07:25,575 You have to go? 134 00:07:25,706 --> 00:07:27,795 Mommy loves you, and no matter what no-- 135 00:07:27,925 --> 00:07:30,101 what nobody says, we love you. 136 00:07:34,715 --> 00:07:36,368 TIM: She went to 137 00:07:36,499 --> 00:07:40,547 say that she's wanting to get off the phone, or she's-- 138 00:07:40,677 --> 00:07:44,725 it's time for her to hang up now, like it's a prison call. 139 00:07:44,855 --> 00:07:47,815 Exactly what I call it-- prison calls. 140 00:07:52,210 --> 00:07:55,605 TIM: People don't understand, I have not seen 141 00:07:55,736 --> 00:07:57,433 my daughter. 142 00:07:57,564 --> 00:08:01,481 Robert's dictating when I talk to my daughter. 143 00:08:01,611 --> 00:08:05,659 He's gonna make that call, and that's what he did on that day. 144 00:08:05,789 --> 00:08:08,270 He made the call to tell my daughter to hang up the phone 145 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,360 and not to talk to my wife or talk to my kids. 146 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:15,495 He's in control at all times, and it's scary 147 00:08:15,625 --> 00:08:17,105 not just for me 148 00:08:17,235 --> 00:08:19,020 but for all these other families that's out here. 149 00:08:19,150 --> 00:08:20,848 It's a control issue. 150 00:08:20,978 --> 00:08:25,722 I pray to God that the law enforcement do their job 151 00:08:25,853 --> 00:08:29,421 and put this man where he belong, behind bars. 152 00:08:29,552 --> 00:08:32,599 'Cause it's gonna-- he's gonna explode. 153 00:08:38,126 --> 00:08:41,042 Kelly was indicted on yet another 11 counts. 154 00:08:41,172 --> 00:08:42,783 NEWSMAN: The new charges come three months 155 00:08:42,913 --> 00:08:45,002 after Kelly was hit with a ten-count indictment. 156 00:08:45,133 --> 00:08:46,743 NEWSMAN 2: Kelly already facing charges 157 00:08:46,874 --> 00:08:49,790 involving four women, three of whom were underage 158 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,356 when they became his victims. 159 00:08:51,487 --> 00:08:54,185 The charges include four Class X felony counts, 160 00:08:54,316 --> 00:08:57,362 which carry mandatory prison time of six to 30 years. 161 00:08:57,493 --> 00:09:00,017 One of the alleged victims has come forward publicly. 162 00:09:00,148 --> 00:09:02,193 Jerhonda Pace tweeted yesterday, 163 00:09:02,324 --> 00:09:05,719 "Yes, I am aware of the 11 new counts against R. Kelly. 164 00:09:05,849 --> 00:09:08,765 Yes, all of the new counts are related to my case." 165 00:09:08,896 --> 00:09:13,248 AZARI: Jerhonda Pace is the one victim 166 00:09:13,378 --> 00:09:15,990 that overlaps in the two Cook County cases. 167 00:09:18,862 --> 00:09:21,343 JERHONDA: To know that 11 of those counts belong to me, I was like, 168 00:09:21,473 --> 00:09:25,216 "That's huge," and I felt good and I cried. 169 00:09:25,347 --> 00:09:29,612 I was like, "Finally, a win. We-We're finally being heard." 170 00:09:29,743 --> 00:09:33,007 I had been talking to the FBI 171 00:09:33,137 --> 00:09:35,009 since the Savages came forward. 172 00:09:35,139 --> 00:09:38,490 I believe it was sometime in 2017. 173 00:09:38,621 --> 00:09:42,190 I wanted, uh, Rob to go to jail so that 174 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,453 Azriel and Joycelyn could be released. 175 00:09:46,847 --> 00:09:49,545 And ever since then, like, I've just been 176 00:09:49,676 --> 00:09:52,200 trying really hard to help them get their daughter. 177 00:09:54,419 --> 00:09:57,248 JONJELYN: As a young girl, Joycelyn was always... 178 00:09:57,379 --> 00:09:59,990 I can't say she was quiet, but she was active. 179 00:10:00,121 --> 00:10:02,036 She was very hyper. 180 00:10:02,166 --> 00:10:05,561 She was very hyper, but she was also very sweet. 181 00:10:05,692 --> 00:10:07,650 She carried her feelings on her shoulders... 182 00:10:07,781 --> 00:10:09,043 -TIM: Right. -...a lot of the times. 183 00:10:09,173 --> 00:10:12,350 We would sing in-- at home, 184 00:10:12,481 --> 00:10:14,439 in the car, on the way to Disney World. 185 00:10:14,570 --> 00:10:16,093 We used to always go to Disney World 186 00:10:16,224 --> 00:10:18,705 every year, that was the tradition. 187 00:10:18,835 --> 00:10:21,098 Joycelyn's relationship to music was, 188 00:10:21,229 --> 00:10:22,883 it was her passion. 189 00:10:23,013 --> 00:10:26,756 Me and Joycelyn, we talked about going professional many times, 190 00:10:26,887 --> 00:10:30,064 especially Joycelyn. She was the main one, like, 191 00:10:30,194 --> 00:10:32,240 "I want to be a singer. I'm ready to, you know, 192 00:10:32,370 --> 00:10:33,763 singing's gonna be my career." 193 00:10:37,071 --> 00:10:40,422 My name is Emilio, and I was Joycelyn's producer. 194 00:10:40,552 --> 00:10:44,078 My name is Antonio, and I was Joycelyn's songwriter. 195 00:10:44,208 --> 00:10:46,646 Joycelyn was real serious about it. I mean, 196 00:10:46,776 --> 00:10:50,475 she always, always want to listen to, um, 197 00:10:50,606 --> 00:10:53,827 Ciara, Aaliyah every single day. 198 00:10:53,957 --> 00:10:55,655 You know, she kind of getting inspired by that. 199 00:10:55,785 --> 00:10:57,787 She, like, she literally practiced, 200 00:10:57,918 --> 00:10:59,659 like, every single day just to make sure her vocals 201 00:10:59,789 --> 00:11:01,225 and everything was on point. 202 00:11:01,356 --> 00:11:06,100 Joy's goals was to be an actual artist in the industry, 203 00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:10,104 a mainstream artist, not independent. 204 00:11:10,234 --> 00:11:14,761 Joycelyn met R. Kelly because she was invited to 205 00:11:14,891 --> 00:11:16,501 a concert. 206 00:11:16,632 --> 00:11:20,767 They met after the concert backstage, and from there, 207 00:11:20,897 --> 00:11:23,073 she did get a chance to communicate with him 208 00:11:23,204 --> 00:11:24,379 and get his phone number. 209 00:11:24,509 --> 00:11:26,903 R. Kelly did make promises 210 00:11:27,034 --> 00:11:29,210 that what he would do for Joycelyn's career. 211 00:11:29,340 --> 00:11:33,518 He promised that, uh, Sony Records would sign her, 212 00:11:33,649 --> 00:11:36,913 he promised that he would help her with her music, 213 00:11:37,044 --> 00:11:40,569 and none of those promises fell through at all. 214 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:43,615 A few days later, she had came over to our-- my house, 215 00:11:43,746 --> 00:11:46,749 and she had said, she said, "Okay. 216 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,446 "I'm-I'm so nervous, and, like, I just, like, 217 00:11:48,577 --> 00:11:51,275 I-I want to see is it real," you know, stuff like that, 218 00:11:51,406 --> 00:11:53,756 so then when she called him, he picked up, we were like, 219 00:11:53,887 --> 00:11:56,280 "Dang, it's actually him." We was like, "Wow, 220 00:11:56,411 --> 00:11:57,368 it's the real guy." 221 00:11:57,499 --> 00:11:58,935 He said he wanted 222 00:11:59,066 --> 00:12:00,763 to help her out with her music, 223 00:12:00,894 --> 00:12:03,548 and... 'cause we told her, we was like, 224 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,377 "Okay, like, you can literally get your foot in the door, 225 00:12:06,508 --> 00:12:07,683 like, with this." I mean, 226 00:12:07,814 --> 00:12:10,730 like, he can, you know. We all thinking it. 227 00:12:10,860 --> 00:12:12,470 He wanted her to fly out or whatever. 228 00:12:12,601 --> 00:12:14,124 She wanted to bring a friend with her. 229 00:12:14,255 --> 00:12:15,996 All her friends was busy at the time. 230 00:12:16,126 --> 00:12:17,824 She wanted to get me to go with her. 231 00:12:17,954 --> 00:12:19,826 She told him about it, and he-- 232 00:12:19,956 --> 00:12:22,176 she told me that he was saying something like, "Oh, you know, 233 00:12:22,306 --> 00:12:23,830 "I feel uncomfortable, you know, 234 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,223 "because, you know, he's a songwriter, 235 00:12:26,354 --> 00:12:28,225 "and I feel uncomfortable with him being in the room, 236 00:12:28,356 --> 00:12:29,923 seeing that we both do the same thing." 237 00:12:30,053 --> 00:12:33,317 -But I was like, okay... -Basically, a bunch of BS, 238 00:12:33,448 --> 00:12:35,755 -basically. -Yeah. [chuckles] 239 00:12:35,885 --> 00:12:38,583 So, pretty much, she wound, she wound up 240 00:12:38,714 --> 00:12:40,411 having to go by herself. 241 00:12:42,587 --> 00:12:44,894 She went to Oklahoma. 242 00:12:45,025 --> 00:12:47,767 After she had, you know, came back from Oklahoma, 243 00:12:47,897 --> 00:12:49,551 'cause we picked her up from the airport, 244 00:12:49,681 --> 00:12:51,727 and she told me, you know, like, she went to the show, 245 00:12:51,858 --> 00:12:53,990 and after that, he wanted her to go back to the hotel. 246 00:12:54,121 --> 00:12:55,862 He said that he gonna make sure 247 00:12:55,992 --> 00:12:58,603 it stay about music and nothing else. 248 00:12:58,734 --> 00:13:00,823 It's not gonna get personal or nothing like that. 249 00:13:00,954 --> 00:13:02,346 'Cause she wasn't interested in him at the time. 250 00:13:02,477 --> 00:13:03,826 She just wanted to do music. 251 00:13:03,957 --> 00:13:06,611 And then she said he came to the door, 252 00:13:06,742 --> 00:13:08,918 and he wanted her to sleep with him. 253 00:13:12,095 --> 00:13:13,314 So then she was like, 254 00:13:13,444 --> 00:13:14,968 "I don't know about this. 255 00:13:15,098 --> 00:13:17,448 I don't want to, you know, do this," and she-- he was like, 256 00:13:17,579 --> 00:13:19,711 "Don't be negative," said, "Look at this 257 00:13:19,842 --> 00:13:22,236 as a positive of us growing close together." 258 00:13:27,763 --> 00:13:29,591 Then, after that, she pretty much kind of 259 00:13:29,721 --> 00:13:31,027 -gave in from there. -Just gave in. 260 00:14:11,459 --> 00:14:13,548 Joycelyn parents, Tim and Jonjelyn, 261 00:14:13,678 --> 00:14:15,767 did not know that she was flying back and forth. 262 00:14:15,898 --> 00:14:19,206 She would make excuses and say that she going to, um, you know, 263 00:14:19,336 --> 00:14:22,949 film for, like, be an extra in this show, or go to 264 00:14:23,079 --> 00:14:24,733 a modeling little event thing. 265 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:27,040 That's what she'd tell them every single time, 266 00:14:27,170 --> 00:14:29,738 but she let me know everything that was going on. 267 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:31,696 JAILYN: Joycelyn's best friend, 268 00:14:31,827 --> 00:14:33,437 also a songwriter, had told my dad 269 00:14:33,568 --> 00:14:36,484 that Joycelyn was messing with Robert. 270 00:14:36,614 --> 00:14:39,443 At first, Joycelyn, she didn't want to really say nothing, 271 00:14:39,574 --> 00:14:41,228 but somehow my dad 272 00:14:41,358 --> 00:14:44,144 kept asking her, and she finally said, "Yes. 273 00:14:44,274 --> 00:14:46,363 I did do something sexual with Robert." 274 00:14:46,494 --> 00:14:49,801 Immediately, my dad and my mom told Joycelyn, 275 00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:52,413 "You're not doing no more music." 276 00:14:52,543 --> 00:14:55,503 You know, they just influenced her to go back to school. 277 00:14:55,633 --> 00:14:57,418 Just go to school, go to college, 278 00:14:57,548 --> 00:15:00,377 and focus on your work, nothing more, nothing else. 279 00:15:00,508 --> 00:15:02,814 And so that's what she did. She went off to college, 280 00:15:02,945 --> 00:15:07,210 and, you know, it was normal until around December of 2016. 281 00:15:09,821 --> 00:15:12,520 JONJELYN: I found out that she was not 282 00:15:12,650 --> 00:15:14,087 attending college on a regular basis, 283 00:15:14,217 --> 00:15:16,045 that she was staying on dorm, 284 00:15:16,176 --> 00:15:17,612 but she was coming to her classes, 285 00:15:17,742 --> 00:15:20,789 but she was leaving and going to R. Kelly's house. 286 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,663 And I found out that she was not only just with him, 287 00:15:25,794 --> 00:15:27,927 but she was also with other girls. 288 00:15:28,057 --> 00:15:30,799 -At the time, it was at least five or six other girls. -Right. 289 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:32,409 And at that point, 290 00:15:32,540 --> 00:15:35,847 I wanted to do some type of intervention with her. 291 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:55,867 After we found out that she was in communication with him, 292 00:15:55,998 --> 00:15:58,305 she said that he wanted her to be a part of a girl group. 293 00:15:58,435 --> 00:15:59,741 Come to find out, the girl group 294 00:15:59,871 --> 00:16:03,701 were several girls that were with him in the past, 295 00:16:03,832 --> 00:16:06,313 and one of the girls are still with him today. 296 00:16:06,443 --> 00:16:08,402 They were, initially, supposed to be part 297 00:16:08,532 --> 00:16:09,925 of this so-called girl group. 298 00:16:10,056 --> 00:16:14,408 TIM: Joycelyn, Azriel, Dominique. 299 00:16:14,538 --> 00:16:16,758 You had multiple girls that were supposed to be 300 00:16:16,888 --> 00:16:18,281 a part of a girl group. 301 00:16:18,412 --> 00:16:20,588 R. Kelly does make promises to the girls 302 00:16:20,718 --> 00:16:22,459 that he gets involved with. 303 00:16:22,590 --> 00:16:24,548 He-he seeks mostly the girls 304 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:28,248 that are looking to be in the entertainment industry. 305 00:16:28,378 --> 00:16:31,947 She end up getting very mad, very defensive. 306 00:16:32,078 --> 00:16:34,210 And it was just like, seeing her like that 307 00:16:34,341 --> 00:16:36,952 was just like, "Joycelyn. 308 00:16:37,083 --> 00:16:39,128 What-What's-what's going on, Joycelyn?" 309 00:16:39,259 --> 00:16:41,217 I'm ready to go. Like, why I'm still... 310 00:16:41,348 --> 00:16:44,177 Why are we still here?! 311 00:16:44,307 --> 00:16:47,006 Her appearance changed. You know, she start-- 312 00:16:47,136 --> 00:16:48,442 She cut her hair off. 313 00:16:48,572 --> 00:16:50,531 You know, she would wear sweatpants. 314 00:16:50,661 --> 00:16:53,186 She started losing weight. 315 00:16:53,316 --> 00:16:55,492 She was, like, almost... 316 00:16:55,623 --> 00:16:57,712 She was just very skinny. 317 00:16:57,842 --> 00:16:59,975 And it was just like, 318 00:17:00,106 --> 00:17:02,673 "Joycelyn, you..." This-this is not Joycelyn. 319 00:17:02,804 --> 00:17:03,848 Like, what's going on? 320 00:17:06,199 --> 00:17:08,201 Joycelyn did not return to school 321 00:17:08,331 --> 00:17:11,987 after the Christmas break for the spring semester 322 00:17:12,118 --> 00:17:14,424 in January, and her room was completely cleaned out. 323 00:17:19,734 --> 00:17:23,129 Finally, on July 17 of 2017, 324 00:17:23,259 --> 00:17:25,957 we see our daughter on TMZ. 325 00:17:26,088 --> 00:17:28,047 I'm in a happy place with my life, 326 00:17:28,177 --> 00:17:32,355 and I'm not being brainwashed or anything like that. 327 00:17:32,486 --> 00:17:34,662 -A lot of people saw the hand gestures -Right. 328 00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:36,185 when he was cutting her off, 329 00:17:36,316 --> 00:17:38,666 and she could barely answer the questions correctly. 330 00:17:38,796 --> 00:17:40,581 INTERVIEWER: Are you currently in Georgia? Or where are you? 331 00:17:40,711 --> 00:17:44,063 I actu-- I'm not-- No, I'm not. 332 00:17:44,193 --> 00:17:45,803 INTERVIEWER: Are you with other roommates? 333 00:17:45,934 --> 00:17:48,719 Are you free to go from where you are? 334 00:17:48,850 --> 00:17:51,244 No. Uh, I won't speak on that as well. 335 00:17:51,374 --> 00:17:53,594 The very next day, they came out 336 00:17:53,724 --> 00:17:55,248 -with another second interview in front of the... -Video in the park. 337 00:17:55,378 --> 00:17:56,684 In the park. 338 00:17:56,814 --> 00:17:59,252 And she came out with a whole nother statement. 339 00:17:59,382 --> 00:18:01,167 Hi, this is Joycelyn Savage, 340 00:18:01,297 --> 00:18:02,951 and I would like to direct this message 341 00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:03,952 to my family. 342 00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:05,823 I am happy where I'm at 343 00:18:05,954 --> 00:18:07,260 and the people that I'm around. 344 00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:08,696 I love you to death, 345 00:18:08,826 --> 00:18:11,220 but I need you to understand me. 346 00:18:11,351 --> 00:18:15,572 Back in August of 2017, I got a phone call 347 00:18:15,703 --> 00:18:16,878 from Tim Savage. 348 00:18:17,008 --> 00:18:19,359 And then he startedto det, 349 00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:21,926 um, the allegations that he had made 350 00:18:22,057 --> 00:18:24,103 against Robert Sylvester Kelly, and-and, of course, 351 00:18:24,233 --> 00:18:25,626 I was shocked and appalled. 352 00:18:25,756 --> 00:18:28,542 And on August 4, 2017, 353 00:18:28,672 --> 00:18:31,501 we had our initial press conference, 354 00:18:31,632 --> 00:18:33,634 where we outlined that he'd hired a legal team 355 00:18:33,764 --> 00:18:35,505 to help reunite with his daughter. 356 00:18:35,636 --> 00:18:38,726 Stockholm syndrome, that's what my daughter has right now. 357 00:18:38,856 --> 00:18:39,988 My daughter's severely brainwashed. 358 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,555 She's brainwashed to the point 359 00:18:41,685 --> 00:18:45,428 where she's not the same Joycelyn that we knew. 360 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:48,779 It kind of started a media frenzy with his fans. 361 00:18:48,910 --> 00:18:51,608 People started accusing us of selling her to him 362 00:18:51,739 --> 00:18:53,175 and all of that. 363 00:18:53,306 --> 00:18:56,831 TIM: We was all alone. It-it was hard. 364 00:18:56,961 --> 00:18:58,528 It was terrifying. 365 00:18:59,834 --> 00:19:01,662 People said a lot of negative things 366 00:19:01,792 --> 00:19:03,229 about my parents. 367 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,232 Some people even sent death threats 368 00:19:06,362 --> 00:19:10,323 to my parents and to our family. 369 00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:12,716 People said, "Well, they're just in it for the money. 370 00:19:12,847 --> 00:19:14,849 They're just in it for the fame." 371 00:19:14,979 --> 00:19:17,025 Or "They're just in it for the spotlight." 372 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:19,636 The perception were that we took money... 373 00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:21,290 $20,000. 374 00:19:21,421 --> 00:19:25,425 $20,000 from Robert Sylvester Kelly. 375 00:19:25,555 --> 00:19:28,602 And we handed our daughters over, 376 00:19:28,732 --> 00:19:31,605 which we haven't received a dimefrom him. 377 00:19:31,735 --> 00:19:33,781 We would never sell our daughter. 378 00:19:33,911 --> 00:19:37,567 That is so unheard of. This is a piece of crack. 379 00:19:37,698 --> 00:19:39,482 -[scoffs] -If the Savages would've known 380 00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:42,268 what was going on, like, from the start, 381 00:19:42,398 --> 00:19:44,531 yeah, all of that would've been shut down. 382 00:19:44,661 --> 00:19:47,011 -Especially from Tim. All of that would've been shut down. -Yeah, it never-- 383 00:19:47,142 --> 00:19:49,449 -it never would've got to this point. -Never. 384 00:19:49,579 --> 00:19:53,235 GRIGGS: One thing I can say about the Savage family, 385 00:19:53,366 --> 00:19:55,629 they are very strong. 386 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:59,198 And they love their daughter immensely. 387 00:19:59,328 --> 00:20:01,417 They put up with all of the lies. 388 00:20:01,548 --> 00:20:04,464 They put up with all of the slander and the defamation. 389 00:20:04,594 --> 00:20:07,945 They are resolute in getting contact 390 00:20:08,076 --> 00:20:11,558 with their daughter, no matter what it takes, 391 00:20:11,688 --> 00:20:13,516 within the bounds of the law. 392 00:20:15,823 --> 00:20:17,738 TIM: Joycelyn knew that her granddad 393 00:20:17,868 --> 00:20:21,785 had passed, and... 394 00:20:21,916 --> 00:20:24,919 she still could not come 395 00:20:25,049 --> 00:20:26,834 because of the control issue 396 00:20:26,964 --> 00:20:28,531 from Robert Sylvester Kelly. 397 00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:33,275 The Joycelyn that I knew 398 00:20:33,406 --> 00:20:37,714 would definitely want to come to her granddaddy's funeral. 399 00:20:38,846 --> 00:20:41,849 And I, um... 400 00:20:41,979 --> 00:20:44,460 it always lead back to my father. 401 00:20:44,591 --> 00:20:46,636 He was always there for me, and he was always there 402 00:20:46,767 --> 00:20:49,813 for Joycelyn. But on his dying day 403 00:20:49,944 --> 00:20:53,904 at the hospital, he told me, he said, 404 00:20:54,035 --> 00:20:57,734 "Son, do whatever you have to do to get my Joycella..." 405 00:20:57,865 --> 00:21:01,042 [shuddering] 406 00:21:01,172 --> 00:21:03,697 "...back home." 407 00:21:03,827 --> 00:21:08,441 And I promised him that. And I was the last person 408 00:21:08,571 --> 00:21:13,141 to touch that casket, and I promised my father 409 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:15,752 I would do whatever it takes 410 00:21:15,883 --> 00:21:17,754 to get Joycelyn out of this situation 411 00:21:17,885 --> 00:21:21,280 and to get these other young ladies free. 412 00:21:29,549 --> 00:21:31,246 [siren wailing] 413 00:21:33,161 --> 00:21:34,249 [horns honking] 414 00:21:37,034 --> 00:21:38,906 TIM: This is crazy. 415 00:21:39,036 --> 00:21:43,650 We up here, so close... to Joycelyn. 416 00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:45,869 We, as a family, 417 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,872 have to fight this fight, 418 00:21:49,003 --> 00:21:52,180 not as playing checkers but playing chess, 419 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:55,444 because of who Mr. Robert Sylvester Kelly is 420 00:21:55,575 --> 00:21:59,709 and his team of enablers. And we have to play 421 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,104 every quarter to what moves we make that's in benefit 422 00:22:03,234 --> 00:22:06,499 of Joycelyn. Whether it's being quiet, 423 00:22:06,629 --> 00:22:08,501 whether it's talking, whether it's trying 424 00:22:08,631 --> 00:22:12,113 to do everything we can to get her out this situation. 425 00:22:12,243 --> 00:22:14,158 [line rings] 426 00:22:14,289 --> 00:22:16,160 OPERATOR: Chicago Emergency Management. 427 00:22:16,291 --> 00:22:18,815 Hi, I would like to do a well-being check 428 00:22:18,946 --> 00:22:20,774 on my older sister. 429 00:22:20,904 --> 00:22:22,428 Okay, what's the address? 430 00:22:22,558 --> 00:22:26,301 It's the Trump Tower's, um, residency side. 431 00:22:26,432 --> 00:22:28,434 Okay, and what's going on with your sister? 432 00:22:28,564 --> 00:22:30,305 I heard some disturbing news about my sister, 433 00:22:30,436 --> 00:22:32,394 and I just want to know if she's okay. 434 00:22:32,525 --> 00:22:35,832 Um, I know she-- I haven't seen her in over three years. 435 00:22:35,963 --> 00:22:38,705 But, um, you know, I heard that she's been abused, 436 00:22:38,835 --> 00:22:41,447 and she's not well right now. 437 00:22:41,577 --> 00:22:43,927 Okay, and what's your sister's name? 438 00:22:44,058 --> 00:22:46,234 Joycelyn Savage. 439 00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:55,417 [indistinct voice on radio] 440 00:22:55,548 --> 00:22:57,201 -JONJELYN: Hi. This is... -OFFICER: Are you Joycelyn? 441 00:22:57,332 --> 00:23:00,335 I'm Jailyn Savage, and I'm Joycelyn Savage's sister. 442 00:23:00,466 --> 00:23:02,293 I was the one who called, um, about a disturbance 443 00:23:02,424 --> 00:23:03,730 -about my sister. -JONJELYN: Yeah. 444 00:23:03,860 --> 00:23:05,514 JAILYN: I just want to check on her well-being. 445 00:23:05,645 --> 00:23:07,124 If it could be just me and my little sister 446 00:23:07,255 --> 00:23:08,865 can go up there with one of you guys 447 00:23:08,996 --> 00:23:10,780 and see ourself that she's okay as well. 448 00:23:10,911 --> 00:23:13,479 -JONJELYN: So, that's... -OFFICER: Well, we can knock on the door, 449 00:23:13,609 --> 00:23:15,089 -but we can't break it in. -JAILYN: Right. 450 00:23:15,219 --> 00:23:17,657 -Thank you. -[siren wailing] 451 00:23:17,787 --> 00:23:21,487 Being in Chicago right now and knowing that my sister 452 00:23:21,617 --> 00:23:24,577 is literally minutes away from me, 453 00:23:24,707 --> 00:23:28,319 it makes me want to go and just grab her 454 00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:29,843 and be like, "Joycelyn, I'm here, 455 00:23:29,973 --> 00:23:31,888 and I'm coming to save you." 456 00:23:32,019 --> 00:23:34,587 -Uh, just-just watch-- just-just right here. -Okay. Okay, just her. 457 00:23:34,717 --> 00:23:37,241 -Just hang out here. -Okay. Just take her. 458 00:23:37,372 --> 00:23:39,026 JAILYN: I just really want to see her 459 00:23:39,156 --> 00:23:41,463 so bad. I really want to see her. 460 00:23:41,594 --> 00:23:45,859 If I just get five minutes with her, I would be happy. 461 00:23:45,989 --> 00:23:49,515 It would make my whole entire... three years of fighting for her. 462 00:23:49,645 --> 00:23:51,995 JAILYN: Hello, I'm here to check up on my older sister, 463 00:23:52,126 --> 00:23:54,868 Joycelyn Tyra Savage. 464 00:23:54,998 --> 00:23:58,524 TIM: This has been a traumatic experience. 465 00:23:58,654 --> 00:23:59,873 We just want our daughter back. 466 00:24:00,003 --> 00:24:02,528 [siren wails] 467 00:24:05,356 --> 00:24:09,970 [Jailyn crying] 468 00:24:36,910 --> 00:24:39,434 JAILYN: Hi. Hello. I'm here to 469 00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:42,437 check up on my older sister, Joycelyn Tyra Savage. 470 00:24:45,788 --> 00:24:48,051 TIM: This has been a traumatic experience 471 00:24:48,182 --> 00:24:49,879 for me and my family. 472 00:24:50,010 --> 00:24:54,014 We haven't seen her since the year of 2016. 473 00:24:54,144 --> 00:24:55,755 We just want our daughter back. 474 00:24:55,885 --> 00:24:57,670 We just want our family back. 475 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,933 We fight not just for Joycelyn-- 476 00:25:00,063 --> 00:25:01,848 we fight for all these victims. 477 00:25:04,372 --> 00:25:06,809 [Jailyn crying] 478 00:25:11,205 --> 00:25:14,382 She's not here. Uh, she's not here. 479 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:15,731 TIM: She's not here? 480 00:25:15,862 --> 00:25:17,298 I know she's here. He said he heard that 481 00:25:17,428 --> 00:25:18,429 from the residents. 482 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,389 I'm missing her. 483 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,043 -I want to see her. -JONJELYN: Yeah, we only want to see her. 484 00:25:23,173 --> 00:25:26,437 It's like, we don't know why other people telling us, 485 00:25:26,568 --> 00:25:28,570 um, they're not there. We're not hearing this 486 00:25:28,701 --> 00:25:30,398 -directly from her. We're hearing from other people -Right. 487 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:33,227 she's not here. Or, um... 488 00:25:33,357 --> 00:25:34,315 -That's the reason why... -She-- You know, anything. 489 00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:36,099 That's why we're fighting so hard. 490 00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:38,885 -...we continue to fight until we see Joycelyn. -Yes. Right. 491 00:25:39,015 --> 00:25:40,060 -JAILYN: You know, it's hard... -And make sure that 492 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:42,149 Joycelyn come home safe and sound. 493 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:46,283 TIM: Heavenly Father, we come to you today. 494 00:25:46,414 --> 00:25:49,286 Our prayers are not being answered, 495 00:25:49,417 --> 00:25:52,420 -but we know that you are in control of everything, -JAILYN: Mm-hmm. 496 00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:53,813 O Heavenly Father. 497 00:25:53,943 --> 00:25:57,381 -In due time and due season... -JONJELYN: Yes. 498 00:25:57,512 --> 00:26:01,603 ...you will have Joycelyn back with us. 499 00:26:01,734 --> 00:26:03,649 -JAILYN: Mm-hmm. -In Jesus' name, we give this pray. 500 00:26:03,779 --> 00:26:06,869 -Everyone, please say amen. -ALL: Amen. 501 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,176 -Thank you. -JAILYN: Whew. Love you. 502 00:26:09,306 --> 00:26:11,526 TIM: Love you all. We're gonna get her back. 503 00:26:14,616 --> 00:26:18,968 LIZZETTE: I decided to share my story 504 00:26:19,099 --> 00:26:21,188 'cause I heard the parents. 505 00:26:21,318 --> 00:26:24,539 I heard from the Savages. I heard from the Clarys. 506 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:27,237 And when you're young like I was-- 507 00:26:27,368 --> 00:26:28,935 I have a lot in common with Azriel. 508 00:26:29,065 --> 00:26:32,895 She was 17, I was 17. 509 00:26:33,026 --> 00:26:35,376 She's a phenomenal singer. 510 00:26:35,506 --> 00:26:37,378 AZRIEL: ♪ O say♪ 511 00:26:37,508 --> 00:26:41,904 ♪ Can you see♪ 512 00:26:42,035 --> 00:26:44,907 ♪ By the dawn's♪ 513 00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:49,129 ♪ Early light.♪ 514 00:26:49,259 --> 00:26:51,827 LIZZETTE: She is just a bright, bright young woman. 515 00:26:51,958 --> 00:26:53,829 When you watch her videos when she was young, 516 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,701 she was so vivacious, like, you know, like, 517 00:26:55,831 --> 00:26:58,399 she had the light-- a light in her eyes, 518 00:26:58,529 --> 00:27:02,708 and now she's so grown. 519 00:27:02,838 --> 00:27:06,973 And I really came out for her and Joy. 520 00:27:16,591 --> 00:27:20,073 ALICE: Our daughter met R. Kelly at a concert in Orlando. 521 00:27:20,203 --> 00:27:22,641 She was 17. Azriel was 17. 522 00:27:22,771 --> 00:27:25,644 I mean, I miss my daughter beyond words. It's unimaginable. 523 00:27:25,774 --> 00:27:28,342 Like, no one can know this feeling. 524 00:27:28,472 --> 00:27:31,911 I guess it's sort of like when you have a child 525 00:27:32,041 --> 00:27:35,088 that's lost and passed away, you know, you know they're gone. 526 00:27:35,218 --> 00:27:36,611 Like, you're never gonna see them again. 527 00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:38,744 But this is a little bit different because I know 528 00:27:38,874 --> 00:27:42,791 she's somewhere. It's just that I'm not talking to her, 529 00:27:42,922 --> 00:27:44,880 because he won't allow her to talk to me or whatever. 530 00:27:45,011 --> 00:27:48,101 It's very-- it's heartbreaking. 531 00:27:59,199 --> 00:28:01,592 Um... 532 00:28:03,203 --> 00:28:05,379 [crying] 533 00:28:08,556 --> 00:28:09,731 [sniffles] 534 00:28:09,862 --> 00:28:12,125 -[sobbing] -It'll be all right. 535 00:28:21,308 --> 00:28:22,875 ARMANI CLARY: Azriel was definitely more or less the glue 536 00:28:23,005 --> 00:28:24,093 to the family. 537 00:28:24,224 --> 00:28:25,660 I didn't really realize that 538 00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:28,445 until this whole situation happened, 539 00:28:28,576 --> 00:28:29,969 and I saw how people could really 540 00:28:30,099 --> 00:28:32,362 just fall apart without Azriel. 541 00:28:32,493 --> 00:28:33,755 She really had, like, 542 00:28:33,886 --> 00:28:36,105 a light to her that just kind of made people 543 00:28:36,236 --> 00:28:37,541 want to be around her. 544 00:28:37,672 --> 00:28:39,195 A'ICEIS CLARY: I still love her, 545 00:28:39,326 --> 00:28:41,371 and I want her to know that I'm still just protecting her. 546 00:28:41,502 --> 00:28:43,678 And I-I only want the best for her, 547 00:28:43,809 --> 00:28:46,420 and I'm willing to fight for her no matter what. 548 00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:52,513 ANGELO: Social media is probably one of the brutalest places 549 00:28:52,643 --> 00:28:55,777 that anybody can ever have experience at. 550 00:28:55,908 --> 00:28:58,649 Especially when you're fighting a celebrity. 551 00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:01,652 Me and my wife have been labeled 552 00:29:01,783 --> 00:29:04,046 from some of the worst things... 553 00:29:04,177 --> 00:29:07,223 like we don't-- we-we used our daughter. 554 00:29:07,354 --> 00:29:09,225 We pimped our daughter out. 555 00:29:09,356 --> 00:29:11,750 We-we-we, um... we sold our daughter. 556 00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:16,711 ARMANI: When I see people blaming my parents, 557 00:29:16,842 --> 00:29:19,018 I feel like people are just... are looking at it 558 00:29:19,148 --> 00:29:21,411 from a very small window and just giving 559 00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:24,327 their naive judgment and, you know, their opinion. 560 00:29:24,458 --> 00:29:26,808 My family fought for Azriel, 561 00:29:26,939 --> 00:29:29,550 like... And I mean really fought. 562 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,205 I remember the, um, 563 00:29:32,335 --> 00:29:34,468 Mute R. Kelly fan page was getting a lot of his, 564 00:29:34,598 --> 00:29:36,557 um, concerts shut down. 565 00:29:36,687 --> 00:29:38,254 My mom hit me up, and she was like, 566 00:29:38,385 --> 00:29:40,300 "You know, there might be this concert in Tampa. 567 00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:41,954 You know, they say that it's actually coming." 568 00:29:42,084 --> 00:29:45,000 We saw the flyer, we saw the, uh, posting online, 569 00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:47,481 so we decided to go. 570 00:29:47,611 --> 00:29:50,266 The plan was to see Azriel. 571 00:29:50,397 --> 00:29:52,268 At the time of the concert, it'd have been 572 00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:54,618 three or four years since she'd seen Azriel. 573 00:29:54,749 --> 00:29:56,359 So I was very nervous, you know. 574 00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:58,274 I didn't want to see my sister... 575 00:29:58,405 --> 00:30:00,755 like, be looking really crazy or, like, really rough or, 576 00:30:00,886 --> 00:30:03,018 like, bruised or anything like that. 577 00:30:03,149 --> 00:30:05,238 So I was really just scared for that, most part. 578 00:30:05,368 --> 00:30:08,719 And, um, when we got there, we, uh, 579 00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:13,550 watched, you know, the entire performance. 580 00:30:13,681 --> 00:30:15,944 -[audience cheering] -Azriel was onstage. 581 00:30:16,075 --> 00:30:18,773 I was really happy to see Azriel. 582 00:30:18,904 --> 00:30:22,124 I just really felt, like, you know, happy. 583 00:30:22,255 --> 00:30:24,648 I wanted to, like, just, like, go up there, 584 00:30:24,779 --> 00:30:26,607 give her a hug, you know, and talk to her, 585 00:30:26,737 --> 00:30:28,304 but, obviously, that wasn't gonna happen. 586 00:30:28,435 --> 00:30:31,090 [audience shouting] 587 00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:35,572 How my mom got on the stage is truly beyond me. 588 00:30:35,703 --> 00:30:38,053 All I know is, they had a section 589 00:30:38,184 --> 00:30:41,056 on the front where, like, I guess 590 00:30:41,187 --> 00:30:43,015 it was only women that was allowed in there, 591 00:30:43,145 --> 00:30:45,321 and she got in there. And then once she got in there, 592 00:30:45,452 --> 00:30:46,409 the next thing I know, 593 00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:48,020 she was getting called onstage. 594 00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:50,849 I guess they were trying to pull, you know, 595 00:30:50,979 --> 00:30:52,763 superfans on the stage. So if you're up there 596 00:30:52,894 --> 00:30:54,374 and everyone else is singing all the words to the song 597 00:30:54,504 --> 00:30:56,985 and dancing and you're not, you kind of look suspicious. 598 00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:58,508 So she definitely tried to blend in, you know, 599 00:30:58,639 --> 00:31:00,989 and wiggle her way closer to the side of the stage 600 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,425 where Azriel was at. 601 00:31:02,556 --> 00:31:03,949 [cheering] 602 00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,300 She's onstage, Azriel's onstage. 603 00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:09,606 Only thing between her and her daughter is 604 00:31:09,737 --> 00:31:11,173 a couple of security guards. 605 00:31:11,304 --> 00:31:13,436 [cheering] 606 00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:15,438 There's no book on, you know-- 607 00:31:15,569 --> 00:31:17,223 to tell you how to, you know, 608 00:31:17,353 --> 00:31:18,877 confront your daughter you haven't seen in four years. 609 00:31:19,007 --> 00:31:22,881 You kind of just got to feel the emotion and act upon it. 610 00:31:25,274 --> 00:31:27,494 [siren wailing] 611 00:31:54,869 --> 00:31:57,176 eering] 612 00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:07,969 -[crowd cheering] -♪ 613 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:11,016 ARMANI: How my mom got on the stage is truly beyond me. 614 00:32:11,146 --> 00:32:13,670 She's onstage, Azriel's onstage. 615 00:32:13,801 --> 00:32:15,324 Only thing between her and her daughter 616 00:32:15,455 --> 00:32:17,500 is a couple of security guards. 617 00:32:17,631 --> 00:32:20,416 My mom went over there and... 618 00:32:20,547 --> 00:32:23,028 she first walked up to Azriel and tried to talk. 619 00:32:23,158 --> 00:32:25,856 And then, I guess, once she noticed that 620 00:32:25,987 --> 00:32:27,597 the security guards was coming for her, 621 00:32:27,728 --> 00:32:29,164 she tried to grab Azriel 622 00:32:29,295 --> 00:32:30,339 to, like, more or less, 623 00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:32,124 "If he pulls me, he pulls both of us." 624 00:32:32,254 --> 00:32:34,778 And the security guard did exactly that, you know. 625 00:32:34,909 --> 00:32:37,259 He, uh-- One pulled her, one tried to pull them apart. 626 00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:39,348 And she yanked Azriel 627 00:32:39,479 --> 00:32:41,263 when he pushed her back so that 628 00:32:41,394 --> 00:32:42,917 Azriel got snatched out of the chair. 629 00:32:43,048 --> 00:32:46,790 I didn't expect the security guards 630 00:32:46,921 --> 00:32:48,618 to be as aggressive as they were. 631 00:32:48,749 --> 00:32:51,708 One guy had her in a headlock, one guy had her arms, 632 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,711 and they, like, more or less, dragged her off the stage. 633 00:32:54,842 --> 00:32:57,453 I ran. I tried-- I jumped on the stage. 634 00:32:57,584 --> 00:32:59,281 I ran through a couple security guards. 635 00:32:59,412 --> 00:33:01,414 One grabbed my foot. I pulled away from him. 636 00:33:01,544 --> 00:33:03,372 Then security put us right in the hands 637 00:33:03,503 --> 00:33:04,983 of the, uh, police officers, 638 00:33:05,113 --> 00:33:06,941 who then, you know, put handcuffs on all of us. 639 00:33:07,072 --> 00:33:10,292 -[siren wailing] -After that, they, uh, put us in cop cars-- 640 00:33:10,423 --> 00:33:11,511 in separate cop cars-- 641 00:33:11,641 --> 00:33:13,208 and I didn't see my mom for 642 00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:14,731 the next couple hours. 643 00:33:14,862 --> 00:33:16,472 I don't like to see my mom down, 644 00:33:16,603 --> 00:33:18,474 and it takes a lot to even get her down, 645 00:33:18,605 --> 00:33:21,738 so for her to be down the whole entire ride back... 646 00:33:21,869 --> 00:33:25,742 it made me want to help her. 647 00:33:25,873 --> 00:33:28,919 Even though I couldn't at the time. 648 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,274 A'ICEIS: My mom, um... 649 00:33:35,404 --> 00:33:38,755 I just know she deals, she deals with it, but I know she's hurt. 650 00:33:38,886 --> 00:33:41,541 But watching the interview with my sister 651 00:33:41,671 --> 00:33:43,673 and, um, Gayle King, 652 00:33:43,804 --> 00:33:46,589 oh, man, it broke my mom. 653 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,113 Do either of you want to sing? 654 00:33:48,243 --> 00:33:49,505 BOTH: No. 655 00:33:49,636 --> 00:33:51,246 None of you have any singing ambitions? 656 00:33:51,377 --> 00:33:54,467 No. That's a l-- That's another lie. 657 00:33:56,425 --> 00:33:59,776 I don't think my mom answered a call from anyone 658 00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:01,648 for about a week after that interview answer, 659 00:34:01,778 --> 00:34:03,432 because she was so hurt. 660 00:34:03,563 --> 00:34:08,307 I think she felt betrayed, because my mom was the one 661 00:34:08,437 --> 00:34:11,919 who always helped Azriel with her dance moves 662 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:14,400 and practiced with the girls their dance routines. 663 00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:17,577 And my mom was the one who helped her design her outfits. 664 00:34:17,707 --> 00:34:20,797 And anything that happened with Azriel singing, 665 00:34:20,928 --> 00:34:22,756 my mom was always the first one there. 666 00:34:22,886 --> 00:34:27,369 So I felt like my mom felt like she got... 667 00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:30,024 stabbed in the back, because all of that hard work, 668 00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:32,679 and all those hours lost of sleep, and... 669 00:34:32,809 --> 00:34:35,203 She's doing all this stuff with Azriel while also still 670 00:34:35,334 --> 00:34:37,510 going to work to support us as a mother. 671 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,513 They were only doing this stuff because Azriel wanted it. 672 00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:42,341 It-it really broke my mom. 673 00:34:42,471 --> 00:34:44,517 My mom called out of work. 674 00:34:44,647 --> 00:34:47,781 Um, she was just heartbroken. She was crying. 675 00:34:47,911 --> 00:34:50,914 I just couldn't... I couldn't... I couldn't believe that 676 00:34:51,045 --> 00:34:53,091 she was even saying those things. 677 00:34:53,221 --> 00:34:56,746 Like, it was so heartbreaking. 678 00:34:56,877 --> 00:35:01,534 On the Gayle King interview, Azriel stated that she tried 679 00:35:01,664 --> 00:35:05,886 to commit suicide because of the singing, um, 680 00:35:06,016 --> 00:35:08,280 and the practicing with my parents. 681 00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:11,196 My parents made singing like a job for me. 682 00:35:11,326 --> 00:35:13,459 'Cause it's not something I wanted to do. 683 00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:16,636 Not only that, I even tried to kill myself, because 684 00:35:16,766 --> 00:35:19,682 I did not want to sing, as a cry out for help to tell them 685 00:35:19,813 --> 00:35:22,903 this is not what I want to do with my life. 686 00:35:23,033 --> 00:35:25,601 Azriel spoke about we was forcing her, 687 00:35:25,732 --> 00:35:27,037 forcing music on her. 688 00:35:27,168 --> 00:35:28,604 We made it like a job, right? 689 00:35:28,735 --> 00:35:30,389 Far from the truth. 690 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,130 Kelly would have to have an angle. 691 00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:34,958 So what angle better than 692 00:35:35,089 --> 00:35:37,222 stripping her away from her music? 693 00:35:37,352 --> 00:35:39,659 Because I'm quite sure she told him about 694 00:35:39,789 --> 00:35:41,965 why she attempted suicide. 695 00:35:42,096 --> 00:35:45,099 And why she attempted suicide was over a bad relationship. 696 00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:49,582 ARMANI: Azriel is a person who loves very strongly, 697 00:35:49,712 --> 00:35:52,367 and I think Azriel loved the guy that she was with 698 00:35:52,498 --> 00:35:54,848 before she met Robert Kelly. 699 00:35:54,978 --> 00:35:56,980 And I felt like she was crushed 700 00:35:57,111 --> 00:36:00,506 when she found out that he cheated on her. 701 00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:06,468 ANGELO: You know, to see her like that, 702 00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:08,122 I wish that on no parent. 703 00:36:08,253 --> 00:36:09,863 I wish no parent would ever have to 704 00:36:09,993 --> 00:36:14,128 watch their child attempt to take their own life 705 00:36:14,259 --> 00:36:16,174 or harm theirself in any type of way. 706 00:36:16,304 --> 00:36:18,219 And, you know, only thing we was wondering, 707 00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:21,353 as I talked to her mom and everybody, it's like, why? 708 00:36:22,615 --> 00:36:24,747 Humans are primed for relationships, 709 00:36:24,878 --> 00:36:28,186 and the drive for connection in relationships, for some people, 710 00:36:28,316 --> 00:36:30,013 can be very strong. 711 00:36:30,144 --> 00:36:34,496 And loneliness, and feelings of being abandoned or lonely 712 00:36:34,627 --> 00:36:36,846 can drive us, really, viscerally and unconsciously. 713 00:36:36,977 --> 00:36:39,458 I would argue someone who attempts suicide 714 00:36:39,588 --> 00:36:42,417 over a relationship has some strong c-codependent 715 00:36:42,548 --> 00:36:44,158 or enmeshment issues. 716 00:36:44,289 --> 00:36:46,029 And they don't know where to separate themselves 717 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,075 from their partner. 718 00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:51,818 They don't know who they are outside of this relationship. 719 00:36:51,948 --> 00:36:54,473 I know my daughter may be one of the ones 720 00:36:54,603 --> 00:36:58,564 that feel like she got to follow him all the way. 721 00:36:58,694 --> 00:37:02,959 I would hope, uh, on everything that she's stronger than that. 722 00:37:03,090 --> 00:37:07,660 And I think that all the girls, once they snap out of that, 723 00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:11,359 that they gonna get it and they gonna understand that, hey, 724 00:37:11,490 --> 00:37:14,754 there's life outside of R. Kelly. 725 00:37:14,884 --> 00:37:19,759 So I'm not gonna stop until that open communication up, 726 00:37:19,889 --> 00:37:23,284 until my wife can get on that phone and call her daughter. 727 00:37:23,415 --> 00:37:26,244 Then I can finally rest. 728 00:37:26,374 --> 00:37:30,813 My dad spends... 729 00:37:30,944 --> 00:37:33,163 quite a lot of time 730 00:37:33,294 --> 00:37:35,296 working on getting Azriel back. 731 00:37:35,427 --> 00:37:37,777 It had gotten so bad at one point, 732 00:37:37,907 --> 00:37:41,084 his employees told me 733 00:37:41,215 --> 00:37:43,609 to make sure he's getting sleep, because they haven't seen him 734 00:37:43,739 --> 00:37:46,438 sleep in-- I think it was four days straight. 735 00:37:46,568 --> 00:37:48,918 I do worry about my dad's health, um, 736 00:37:49,049 --> 00:37:52,139 'cause, you know, he-- you kind of lose yourself in this. 737 00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:54,228 Like, you-you, you know, he doesn't-- 738 00:37:54,359 --> 00:37:56,578 he doesn't do nothing extra. 739 00:37:56,709 --> 00:38:01,148 Like, uh, holidays. It was very limiting for him, like, 740 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:02,584 "Oh, I can't do much, I'm sorry. 741 00:38:02,715 --> 00:38:04,282 I'm-I'm fighting a war right now." 742 00:38:04,412 --> 00:38:08,547 He's in war, and this is his main goal and his main focus. 743 00:38:08,677 --> 00:38:11,419 I do feel as though the R. Kelly situation has took a toll 744 00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:12,812 on my parents' marriage. 745 00:38:15,031 --> 00:38:17,120 ARMANI: My parents' marriage has crumbled. 746 00:38:17,251 --> 00:38:21,037 They've been married for 25 years strong, 747 00:38:21,168 --> 00:38:23,083 and they both started blaming themselves. 748 00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:27,522 And I think that's what really put a big strain 749 00:38:27,653 --> 00:38:28,654 on their relationship. 750 00:38:28,784 --> 00:38:31,004 My mom couldn't accept it. 751 00:38:31,134 --> 00:38:35,661 ANGELO: My marriage was affected by this whole... 752 00:38:35,791 --> 00:38:38,316 situation with Azriel. 753 00:38:38,446 --> 00:38:42,668 Me and Alice blamed each other quietly, unspoken. 754 00:38:42,798 --> 00:38:45,366 A lot of the disconnect. 755 00:38:45,497 --> 00:38:47,107 And it drew us apart. 756 00:38:47,237 --> 00:38:48,238 You know, there was one point where 757 00:38:48,369 --> 00:38:50,066 we couldn't even talk about it. 758 00:38:50,197 --> 00:38:52,460 ARMANI: He went into fight mode, where he wanted to 759 00:38:52,591 --> 00:38:54,854 let the world know what kind of sick man this is 760 00:38:54,984 --> 00:38:56,421 so that no one else has to deal with this. 761 00:38:56,551 --> 00:38:59,380 And my mom, more or less, is just so hurt 762 00:38:59,511 --> 00:39:03,210 that it's actually happening that she just beats herself up. 763 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:06,387 I know the only thing that would fix my wife's broken heart 764 00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:09,216 was bringing her baby girl home. 765 00:39:14,221 --> 00:39:17,006 A'ICEIS: My son has suffered from my sister leaving 766 00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:19,269 to be with R. Kelly. 767 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,229 All he knew was Titi, that's all he knew. 768 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,623 And for me it's difficult 769 00:39:24,753 --> 00:39:27,843 because he just asks about her all the time. 770 00:39:27,974 --> 00:39:29,932 And he just always say, "Well, where's Titi? 771 00:39:30,063 --> 00:39:31,891 Where's Titi? When she's gonna come home?" 772 00:39:32,021 --> 00:39:34,676 I can hide my pain, 773 00:39:34,807 --> 00:39:35,982 but his pain is like, 774 00:39:36,112 --> 00:39:37,853 it breaks my heart 'cause it's like 775 00:39:37,984 --> 00:39:41,335 we can't even pick up the phone and call her. 776 00:39:41,466 --> 00:39:44,077 It really hurts. 777 00:39:44,207 --> 00:39:47,428 Aunt Titi, I miss you so much. 778 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:50,823 Aunt Titi, can you come back? 779 00:39:50,953 --> 00:39:53,303 I want you to come with me. 780 00:39:53,434 --> 00:39:56,045 A'ICEIS: Sometimes I still feel like I see her in our house, 781 00:39:56,176 --> 00:39:57,743 or I hear her singing. 782 00:39:57,873 --> 00:40:01,790 Like, sometimes I feel like, she-she's-she, like, died. 783 00:40:01,921 --> 00:40:03,749 But I just miss being around her. 784 00:40:03,879 --> 00:40:06,839 She was so silly and bubbly and... 785 00:40:06,969 --> 00:40:11,539 being the human beatbox that she was. [sniffles] 786 00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:13,193 You know, you don't get to see her, 787 00:40:13,323 --> 00:40:14,890 you don't get to talk to her, 788 00:40:15,021 --> 00:40:18,241 you don't get-get to interact with her or anything. 789 00:40:18,372 --> 00:40:21,506 It's like she's gone. 790 00:40:21,636 --> 00:40:25,074 And it's really hard and she don't understand. [sniffles] 791 00:40:25,205 --> 00:40:27,076 Like, you just leave out of people lives, 792 00:40:27,207 --> 00:40:29,427 like, as if you died. 793 00:40:29,557 --> 00:40:32,865 ARMANI: When Robert Kelly goes to jail, 794 00:40:32,995 --> 00:40:36,346 me and my father's first step will be to get Azriel home, 795 00:40:36,477 --> 00:40:37,696 safe and sound. 796 00:40:37,826 --> 00:40:41,047 After that, we will get Azriel 797 00:40:41,177 --> 00:40:43,397 as much help as she possibly needs. 798 00:40:43,528 --> 00:40:45,834 I think there needs to be a lot of healing, 799 00:40:45,965 --> 00:40:48,271 but I'm sure we could get back to where we used to be. 800 00:40:48,402 --> 00:40:50,360 I want her to come home to the family 801 00:40:50,491 --> 00:40:52,319 that was there when she left 802 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:54,495 because if the family's 803 00:40:54,626 --> 00:40:57,324 broken apart, she's gonna feel like she is 804 00:40:57,455 --> 00:40:59,587 to blame for all of that. 805 00:41:01,502 --> 00:41:04,505 I don't think my family is gonna heal. 806 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,981 NANCY LOO: Overnight, R & B star R. Kelly arrested 807 00:41:46,112 --> 00:41:48,593 in Chicago on federal sex crime charges. 808 00:41:48,723 --> 00:41:52,510 A federal grand jury has indicted Kelly on 13 counts, 809 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,599 including child pornography, 810 00:41:54,729 --> 00:41:57,297 enticement of a minor, and obstruction of justice. 811 00:41:57,427 --> 00:41:59,560 R. Kelly spent the night 812 00:41:59,691 --> 00:42:01,867 in the Metropolitan Correctional Center 813 00:42:01,997 --> 00:42:04,783 instead of his luxury home here in the Trump Tower. 814 00:42:04,913 --> 00:42:07,525 All of these charges are decades old, 815 00:42:07,655 --> 00:42:09,352 and all of a sudden people are coming forward. 816 00:42:09,483 --> 00:42:11,354 That's all I have is allegations. 817 00:42:11,485 --> 00:42:13,618 He's presumed innocent, we believe he's innocent, 818 00:42:13,748 --> 00:42:15,750 we're gonna fight to prove he's innocent. 819 00:42:15,881 --> 00:42:18,753 If I was R. Kelly's defense attorney, 820 00:42:18,884 --> 00:42:21,887 one-- I'd get rid of my team, 821 00:42:22,017 --> 00:42:24,585 two-- I'd have a real conversation with my client. 822 00:42:24,716 --> 00:42:28,633 I've never, ever seen somebody beat trial 823 00:42:28,763 --> 00:42:30,591 twice. 824 00:42:30,722 --> 00:42:34,552 He's already gotten his one, which was 2008, 825 00:42:34,682 --> 00:42:38,077 so now you're working on loaded dice. 826 00:42:38,207 --> 00:42:42,081 I, in 43 years, have never seen so many charges filed 827 00:42:42,211 --> 00:42:44,083 in so many jurisdictions 828 00:42:44,213 --> 00:42:47,303 against one celebrity. 829 00:42:47,434 --> 00:42:49,479 What would justice look like to me? 830 00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:52,265 [stammers] Since we can't turn back the hands of time, 831 00:42:52,395 --> 00:42:56,269 jail forever, and 832 00:42:56,399 --> 00:42:58,750 something more societally 833 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,622 in understanding that, 834 00:43:01,753 --> 00:43:04,494 um, this kind of behavior can't be tolerated 835 00:43:04,625 --> 00:43:07,846 and be put aside in favor of profit. 836 00:43:07,976 --> 00:43:11,327 Nobody's saying, "Burn his records," right? 837 00:43:11,458 --> 00:43:13,634 They're saying be aware of the context, 838 00:43:13,765 --> 00:43:17,682 be aware of what he's really saying in that canon of music, 839 00:43:17,812 --> 00:43:20,206 be aware of the pain he caused to people. 840 00:43:20,336 --> 00:43:22,817 And then I think there's no right or wrong in art. 841 00:43:22,948 --> 00:43:25,690 If you can still listen to "Ignition [Remix]" 842 00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:28,431 or "Step in the Name of Love" or "I Believe I Can Fly" 843 00:43:28,562 --> 00:43:31,130 and take pleasure from it, I understand that. 844 00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:34,699 Because it played at your kid's kindergarten graduation, 845 00:43:34,829 --> 00:43:37,789 it played at every backyard barbecue you ever went to, 846 00:43:37,919 --> 00:43:39,834 it was your wedding song. 847 00:43:39,965 --> 00:43:42,054 It is your song as much as it's his, 848 00:43:42,184 --> 00:43:45,797 but know the pain he caused and condemn it. 849 00:43:45,927 --> 00:43:48,451 You can condemn the man and still appreciate the art. 850 00:43:48,582 --> 00:43:51,193 Personally, I can, and I don't think there's one answer. 851 00:43:51,324 --> 00:43:54,675 I think every single individual is gonna have a different answer 852 00:43:54,806 --> 00:43:58,723 to that question of when she can separate art and artist. 853 00:43:58,853 --> 00:44:00,725 You know, there are a lot of artists 854 00:44:00,855 --> 00:44:04,642 who have the genius mind and they're just 855 00:44:04,772 --> 00:44:07,340 in a different state, 856 00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:11,039 but their music, their art, 857 00:44:11,170 --> 00:44:14,695 their words, they live on. 858 00:44:14,826 --> 00:44:19,221 I mean, we can go down a whole list 859 00:44:19,352 --> 00:44:21,528 of great artists-- 860 00:44:21,659 --> 00:44:24,705 just as troubled as could be, 861 00:44:24,836 --> 00:44:27,012 but they left us gems and jewels, 862 00:44:27,142 --> 00:44:30,929 and we-we think about that and it's like, wow. 863 00:44:31,059 --> 00:44:33,975 So I don't know if you can separate... 864 00:44:34,106 --> 00:44:35,803 the two. 865 00:44:35,934 --> 00:44:39,154 I could see, uh, where some would feel that way, 866 00:44:39,285 --> 00:44:42,070 that maybe we should not support R. Kelly, 867 00:44:42,201 --> 00:44:44,986 uh, with his-his art. 868 00:44:45,117 --> 00:44:47,641 Uh, but it's to me, just that, art. 869 00:44:47,772 --> 00:44:49,599 When I look at a painting on a wall, 870 00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:53,778 the first thing I-I think of is not who painted the-the art, 871 00:44:53,908 --> 00:44:56,781 it's how that art makes me feel. 872 00:44:56,911 --> 00:45:00,349 Uh, and so I think art is somewhat different, uh, because 873 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,744 it's an expression, and everyone gets a different expression. 874 00:45:03,875 --> 00:45:06,965 I think if a song of R. Kelly 875 00:45:07,095 --> 00:45:10,882 can help someone get through a-a day or a moment, 876 00:45:11,012 --> 00:45:13,493 uh, I don't know if it's, 877 00:45:13,623 --> 00:45:16,148 "I don't want to hear it because it's R. Kelly." 878 00:45:16,278 --> 00:45:20,065 If you can still listen to his music knowing what he has done, 879 00:45:20,195 --> 00:45:24,199 you may need to come to terms with your own survivorship 880 00:45:24,330 --> 00:45:27,115 around sexual violence, um, and your own contentment 881 00:45:27,246 --> 00:45:29,944 around the way in which girls are treated. 882 00:45:30,075 --> 00:45:33,165 You are choosing R. Kelly over black women and girls 883 00:45:33,295 --> 00:45:35,297 who are in your family, who you may have birthed, 884 00:45:35,428 --> 00:45:36,646 who have raised you. 885 00:45:36,777 --> 00:45:38,736 In my opinion, this music is violent. 886 00:45:38,866 --> 00:45:41,260 This music is triggering for so many. 887 00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:44,219 That's enough for me to know that this music isn't healthy 888 00:45:44,350 --> 00:45:46,700 or something that I should be listening to. 889 00:45:46,831 --> 00:45:49,094 While you're muting R. Kelly, are you...? 890 00:45:49,224 --> 00:45:51,183 You know, same thing with Michael Jackson, like, you know, 891 00:45:51,313 --> 00:45:53,489 I still hear Michael Jackson records. 892 00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:57,493 I still hear records that R. Kelly wrote for other artists 893 00:45:57,624 --> 00:45:59,017 on the radio. 894 00:45:59,147 --> 00:46:03,717 Are we going to mute Whitney Houston 895 00:46:03,848 --> 00:46:05,980 and the records that R. Kelly wrote for Whitney? 896 00:46:06,111 --> 00:46:09,070 Are we going to mute all of the other big artists, 897 00:46:09,201 --> 00:46:11,116 Faith Evans, you know, are we gonna mute that? 898 00:46:11,246 --> 00:46:13,509 Are we gonna mute Nivea? Are we gonna mute... 899 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,034 You know, the list goes on and on and on. 900 00:46:16,164 --> 00:46:18,297 Are we gonna say to those artists, 901 00:46:18,427 --> 00:46:20,125 "Why don't you take the money that you made 902 00:46:20,255 --> 00:46:22,997 "from that R. Kelly record and 903 00:46:23,128 --> 00:46:26,479 "put that money to use to a family 904 00:46:26,609 --> 00:46:28,002 so that this doesn't happen again?" 905 00:46:28,133 --> 00:46:30,700 Are we gonna do that? Maybe we should. 906 00:46:33,399 --> 00:46:35,053 ANGELO: When I found out that he was 907 00:46:35,183 --> 00:46:37,882 in handcuffs, I immediately hit it, 908 00:46:38,012 --> 00:46:41,581 which I was still about 20 minutes away. 909 00:46:41,711 --> 00:46:43,191 Hit it to the Trump. 910 00:46:43,322 --> 00:46:45,715 So now I'm in a panic, 911 00:46:45,846 --> 00:46:47,979 you know, as a parent gonna be, 912 00:46:48,109 --> 00:46:51,896 and now I'm running around, trying to locate my daughter. 913 00:46:52,026 --> 00:46:53,941 But we have no reward right now 914 00:46:54,072 --> 00:46:56,378 because my daughter's still not with me. 915 00:46:56,509 --> 00:46:58,467 But the one piece I have in my heart, 916 00:46:58,598 --> 00:47:00,643 she not being abused, 917 00:47:00,774 --> 00:47:03,124 she not being manipulated anymore. 918 00:47:03,255 --> 00:47:06,084 See, all the stories getting ready to come to light 919 00:47:06,214 --> 00:47:08,216 and the truth gonna prevail everything. 920 00:47:08,347 --> 00:47:10,653 It feels like that's the first deep breath we were able to take 921 00:47:10,784 --> 00:47:12,438 in the past four years, and, uh, 922 00:47:12,568 --> 00:47:15,789 we don't need him getting out this time, 923 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,443 we need him to sit. 924 00:47:17,573 --> 00:47:19,749 I-- Hopefully-- I-I hope he spends, um, 925 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,708 the rest of his life in jail, honestly. 926 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:25,190 My feelings for Rob-- I hate him to his guts. 927 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,192 I don't want to see him. 928 00:47:27,322 --> 00:47:29,542 His voice scares me. 929 00:47:29,672 --> 00:47:30,804 The fact that federal charges 930 00:47:30,935 --> 00:47:32,675 have come against him is a huge step. 931 00:47:32,806 --> 00:47:36,027 But, I mean, I feel like he's ruined my life. 932 00:47:36,157 --> 00:47:40,335 LIZZETTE: I just felt like this is karma. 933 00:47:40,466 --> 00:47:44,035 I think I will always care about him... 934 00:47:44,165 --> 00:47:46,864 and I will always love him. 935 00:47:46,994 --> 00:47:50,432 Even though it was terrible... 936 00:47:50,563 --> 00:47:52,434 it's, like, I love the... 937 00:47:52,565 --> 00:47:54,480 the little soul... 938 00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:56,438 the-the little boy. 939 00:47:57,875 --> 00:47:59,659 [crying]: And I am not happy, 940 00:47:59,789 --> 00:48:02,488 and I'm not boasting, "Oh, I took him down." 941 00:48:02,618 --> 00:48:04,446 That was not my intention. 942 00:48:04,577 --> 00:48:06,579 My intention was just to tell my story, 943 00:48:06,709 --> 00:48:09,712 to maybe reach to him and say... 944 00:48:09,843 --> 00:48:11,889 "There's something wrong with me! 945 00:48:12,019 --> 00:48:15,022 I've been doing this for too long!" 946 00:48:15,153 --> 00:48:18,852 That was my point in telling this story. 947 00:48:18,983 --> 00:48:20,549 So that's it. 948 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,595 I don't want to hear from the trolls anymore. 949 00:48:22,725 --> 00:48:24,684 I don't want to hear from anyone. 950 00:48:24,814 --> 00:48:28,166 I'm telling you myself, I will always love him. 951 00:48:28,296 --> 00:48:30,603 That's it. The good part of him. 952 00:48:30,733 --> 00:48:33,780 The little boy that's wounded. 953 00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:36,391 Because I still have a little girl inside that's wounded, 954 00:48:36,522 --> 00:48:38,002 and he hurt me. 955 00:48:38,132 --> 00:48:39,917 [sniffles] But I forgive him. 956 00:48:40,047 --> 00:48:41,657 I forgave him. 957 00:48:44,530 --> 00:48:46,401 I don't think people realize 958 00:48:46,532 --> 00:48:50,231 that that was somebody that I loved at one point. 959 00:48:50,362 --> 00:48:51,624 And, um... 960 00:48:55,584 --> 00:48:57,543 It wasn't a celebration, 961 00:48:57,673 --> 00:48:59,806 you know, to watch him lose everything. 962 00:49:03,897 --> 00:49:05,768 But I knew... 963 00:49:09,859 --> 00:49:11,905 ...if I didn't say something 964 00:49:12,036 --> 00:49:14,821 that... it would keep going. 965 00:49:15,996 --> 00:49:18,738 I think that... 966 00:49:18,868 --> 00:49:20,783 he's sitting in jail, 967 00:49:20,914 --> 00:49:22,785 and it's like having a... 968 00:49:22,916 --> 00:49:27,051 14-year-old boy sitting in jail. 969 00:49:27,181 --> 00:49:29,575 And there are a lot of people 970 00:49:29,705 --> 00:49:33,622 that are footloose and fancy-free right now... 971 00:49:33,753 --> 00:49:36,321 that should be there, too. 972 00:49:36,451 --> 00:49:40,412 ♪ 973 00:49:40,542 --> 00:49:43,676 ARMANI: He's not only spitting in our faces, 974 00:49:43,806 --> 00:49:45,112 he's spitting in the whole America face, 975 00:49:45,243 --> 00:49:47,201 like: "Look at me, 976 00:49:47,332 --> 00:49:51,640 I've been able to do this for the past 30 years, unchecked." 977 00:49:51,771 --> 00:49:54,382 Unchecked, like... 978 00:49:54,513 --> 00:49:57,168 this-this is us, America, this is us letting this happen. 979 00:49:57,298 --> 00:49:59,474 So you got to... eventually we got to wake up. 980 00:49:59,605 --> 00:50:01,433 -We have to wake up. -ODELEYE: After the first, 981 00:50:01,563 --> 00:50:04,262 the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth, 982 00:50:04,392 --> 00:50:06,133 we could have said, "No more." 983 00:50:06,264 --> 00:50:08,875 But then there was the sixth, the seventh, the eighth. 984 00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:11,182 We could have stopped it then. Then there's the ninth, 985 00:50:11,312 --> 00:50:12,835 the tenth, the 11th... 986 00:50:12,966 --> 00:50:15,490 Like, I mean, this just went on and on and on, 987 00:50:15,621 --> 00:50:18,189 and we all just stepped in the name of love 988 00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:21,888 and we danced to his music and we paid for his concerts, 989 00:50:22,019 --> 00:50:23,846 and we gave him the lifestyle that enabled this, 990 00:50:23,977 --> 00:50:25,718 even though we knew what he was doing. 991 00:50:25,848 --> 00:50:27,894 We owe them everything. 992 00:50:28,025 --> 00:50:32,333 CUNNINGHAM: We have to properly contextualize this moment. 993 00:50:32,464 --> 00:50:35,293 It is decades of internal conversations 994 00:50:35,423 --> 00:50:37,556 that have been happening in beauty shops 995 00:50:37,686 --> 00:50:39,166 and at kitchen tables 996 00:50:39,297 --> 00:50:42,256 and on couches between black women. 997 00:50:42,387 --> 00:50:45,564 And someone like Tarana and so many others... 998 00:50:45,694 --> 00:50:48,306 shining a bright light on that 999 00:50:48,436 --> 00:50:51,135 and ensuring that we don't get to just skip past this moment 1000 00:50:51,265 --> 00:50:52,875 because it's uncomfortable. 1001 00:50:53,006 --> 00:50:55,182 It took several exposés, 1002 00:50:55,313 --> 00:50:59,317 well-written exposés by seasoned journalists, 1003 00:50:59,447 --> 00:51:01,754 it took numerous articles, 1004 00:51:01,884 --> 00:51:04,148 and it took an online protest, 1005 00:51:04,278 --> 00:51:06,367 an international movement, 1006 00:51:06,498 --> 00:51:08,935 and a three-day documentary 1007 00:51:09,066 --> 00:51:12,547 for the world to start talking about R. Kelly. 1008 00:51:12,678 --> 00:51:14,245 And then we have this... 1009 00:51:14,375 --> 00:51:15,942 we have this moment where he's... 1010 00:51:16,073 --> 00:51:17,291 facing these charges now. 1011 00:51:17,422 --> 00:51:19,163 Who knows what's gonna happen, 1012 00:51:19,293 --> 00:51:21,339 but it's-it's a pretty big deal that... 1013 00:51:21,469 --> 00:51:22,862 that the charges even happen. 1014 00:51:22,992 --> 00:51:23,819 ODELEYE: People need to be looking 1015 00:51:23,950 --> 00:51:26,518 at him as a case study, um, 1016 00:51:26,648 --> 00:51:28,433 for what happens in silence. 1017 00:51:28,563 --> 00:51:31,131 You know, this-this has been going on for... 1018 00:51:31,262 --> 00:51:33,916 close to 30 years now because of silence. 1019 00:51:34,047 --> 00:51:36,354 But because so many women now 1020 00:51:36,484 --> 00:51:38,921 are brave enough to come forward, and they're... 1021 00:51:39,052 --> 00:51:41,446 they know that there's a network of support 1022 00:51:41,576 --> 00:51:44,144 that will help buoy them up when they do come forward, 1023 00:51:44,275 --> 00:51:46,190 we've been able to break that silence down. 1024 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,671 ♪ 1025 00:51:53,327 --> 00:51:54,894 LEMIEUX: It doesn't matter 1026 00:51:55,024 --> 00:51:56,635 that these women didn't speak up before. 1027 00:51:56,765 --> 00:51:58,550 Look at all the reasons they have not to. 1028 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,552 Look at all of the opportunities 1029 00:52:00,682 --> 00:52:02,902 that we as a community, as a culture, 1030 00:52:03,032 --> 00:52:06,645 as the state of Illinois, as consumers of music, 1031 00:52:06,775 --> 00:52:09,952 had chance after chance after chance to say, "No. 1032 00:52:10,083 --> 00:52:11,867 "We don't deal with this person. 1033 00:52:11,998 --> 00:52:14,305 "This person needs help, he is a danger 1034 00:52:14,435 --> 00:52:16,742 "to people around him, and he's not going to stop 1035 00:52:16,872 --> 00:52:18,918 this behavior, and so we're gonna turn him off." 1036 00:52:19,048 --> 00:52:21,094 NEWSMAN: U.S. Marshals led R. Kelly down 1037 00:52:21,225 --> 00:52:23,140 from the government jet and took him 1038 00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:25,620 across the tarmac to a waiting pickup truck. 1039 00:52:25,751 --> 00:52:27,361 R. Kelly is charged with racketeering, 1040 00:52:27,492 --> 00:52:30,843 allegedly using his bodyguard and others to recruit 1041 00:52:30,973 --> 00:52:32,540 young girls for sex. 1042 00:52:32,671 --> 00:52:34,455 DeROGATIS: This is what they get mobsters 1043 00:52:34,586 --> 00:52:37,066 and drug gangs on. 1044 00:52:37,197 --> 00:52:39,112 He is the only person I'm aware of, 1045 00:52:39,243 --> 00:52:41,419 in the entire history of popular music, 1046 00:52:41,549 --> 00:52:43,812 charged with a federal criminal enterprise 1047 00:52:43,943 --> 00:52:45,814 under the RICO statutes, 1048 00:52:45,945 --> 00:52:49,383 the way they get the Gambinos and the Genoveses. 1049 00:52:49,514 --> 00:52:52,691 Kelly is now part of that esteemed company. 1050 00:52:54,736 --> 00:52:56,651 NEWSWOMAN: R. Kelly goes back in court. 1051 00:52:56,782 --> 00:52:58,305 Kelly's facing both local and federal charges, 1052 00:52:58,436 --> 00:53:00,220 including sexual assault, 1053 00:53:00,351 --> 00:53:02,962 child pornography, and obstruction of justice. 1054 00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:06,966 DeROGATIS: No one in pop music history 1055 00:53:07,096 --> 00:53:10,535 has ever faced so many felony charges. 1056 00:53:10,665 --> 00:53:13,320 I have it at 195 years, if he's convicted of everything. 1057 00:53:13,451 --> 00:53:15,496 After a century in jail, 1058 00:53:15,627 --> 00:53:17,063 who's gonna count anymore? 1059 00:53:17,194 --> 00:53:18,673 He's never gonna be free again. 1060 00:53:18,804 --> 00:53:20,806 There's never been a case like this 1061 00:53:20,936 --> 00:53:22,503 in the history of popular music, 1062 00:53:22,634 --> 00:53:24,375 and that's really saying something. 1063 00:53:53,708 --> 00:53:55,667 ourse, 1064 00:53:55,797 --> 00:53:57,756 the survivors themselves that have come forward, there are 1065 00:53:57,886 --> 00:53:59,714 a few sets of parents 1066 00:53:59,845 --> 00:54:02,239 that their daughters are still... 1067 00:54:02,369 --> 00:54:06,112 in this man's world, and even with him being incarcerated, 1068 00:54:06,243 --> 00:54:08,462 and you'd think: Okay, well, he's in jail awaiting trial, 1069 00:54:08,593 --> 00:54:10,856 they can go home, somebody can go get them. 1070 00:54:10,986 --> 00:54:11,987 That's not what we've seen. 1071 00:54:12,118 --> 00:54:14,076 Even knowing the scrutiny 1072 00:54:14,207 --> 00:54:16,862 that they would face, we see footage of them 1073 00:54:16,992 --> 00:54:18,864 still connected to him 1074 00:54:18,994 --> 00:54:20,953 and still allegedly supporting him 1075 00:54:21,083 --> 00:54:22,911 and-and wanting to support him 1076 00:54:23,042 --> 00:54:23,825 as he prepares for trial. 1077 00:54:27,481 --> 00:54:28,917 We, as a family, 1078 00:54:29,048 --> 00:54:31,790 eat and sleep this from December... 1079 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,096 -of 2016 -Mm-hmm. 1080 00:54:34,227 --> 00:54:36,403 until now. 1081 00:54:36,534 --> 00:54:39,711 I think, because we talk about it so much, 1082 00:54:39,841 --> 00:54:42,322 it keeps us fighting for her. 1083 00:54:42,453 --> 00:54:44,324 And me leaning on my wife 1084 00:54:44,455 --> 00:54:47,066 and my wife leaning on me to... for an ear, 1085 00:54:47,196 --> 00:54:49,068 back and forth, it helps, 1086 00:54:49,198 --> 00:54:50,591 until we get her home. 1087 00:54:53,507 --> 00:54:55,944 Like most people will be like, "Oh, why you ain't snatch her? 1088 00:54:56,075 --> 00:54:57,337 Why you ain't...?" My daughter grown. 1089 00:54:57,468 --> 00:54:58,686 She's still a grown woman. 1090 00:55:00,253 --> 00:55:01,907 So, to put myself through humiliation, 1091 00:55:02,037 --> 00:55:03,300 making my daughter 1092 00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:04,692 hate me more, 1093 00:55:04,823 --> 00:55:08,217 trying to force her to leave 1094 00:55:08,348 --> 00:55:11,090 instead of help her understand the truth. 1095 00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:14,006 I think my daughter know every day that she wake up, 1096 00:55:14,136 --> 00:55:16,356 her father's somewhere close. 1097 00:55:16,487 --> 00:55:19,228 I'm quite sure she can feel my presence when I'm in Chicago 1098 00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:22,014 and I'm watching her from afar. 1099 00:55:23,537 --> 00:55:25,322 BRUCE: It's... it-it's... 1100 00:55:25,452 --> 00:55:29,282 it's so much, it's so much and so many things is going on 1101 00:55:29,413 --> 00:55:31,328 that, I mean... 1102 00:55:31,458 --> 00:55:32,807 it's-it's too much. 1103 00:55:32,938 --> 00:55:34,592 It's almost too much for meto bear. 1104 00:55:34,722 --> 00:55:36,724 And it's not me, you know? 1105 00:55:36,855 --> 00:55:38,944 I'm not dealing with that. Matter of fact, 1106 00:55:39,074 --> 00:55:42,948 my situation is nothing-- I'll be out next year. 1107 00:55:43,078 --> 00:55:46,647 What he's facing, he may never get out. 1108 00:55:46,778 --> 00:55:48,823 I'm going to, you know, when I get out of here, 1109 00:55:48,954 --> 00:55:51,173 I'm gonna go to Carey, I'm-a tell him, "Look, 1110 00:55:51,304 --> 00:55:54,089 "whether he's found guilty or whether he's found innocent, 1111 00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:56,657 he gonna still be our brother." 1112 00:55:56,788 --> 00:55:59,007 What, we gonna stop loving him because... 1113 00:55:59,138 --> 00:56:01,140 uh, because of a verdict? 1114 00:56:01,270 --> 00:56:02,707 No. 1115 00:56:02,837 --> 00:56:05,362 I will definitely be there. 1116 00:56:09,278 --> 00:56:10,976 My brother... 1117 00:56:11,106 --> 00:56:13,326 Robert, I do love you. 1118 00:56:15,154 --> 00:56:17,939 DR. JOAN MORGAN: R. Kelly is symbolic of... 1119 00:56:18,070 --> 00:56:21,160 a much larger systemic problem. 1120 00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:23,771 It's one thing when the celebrity is out here, 1121 00:56:23,902 --> 00:56:27,601 or it's a Harvey Weinstein who you don't know or you may be 1122 00:56:27,732 --> 00:56:29,995 umpteen degrees of separation from. 1123 00:56:30,125 --> 00:56:32,693 But when it starts to be the men that you know, 1124 00:56:32,824 --> 00:56:36,044 the men that you've worked with, the men who are in your family, 1125 00:56:36,175 --> 00:56:38,569 the men who are colleagues, who under different conditions, 1126 00:56:38,699 --> 00:56:41,963 'cause you're not dealing with that side of them, you like, 1127 00:56:42,094 --> 00:56:44,052 it brings up a different kind of reckoning. 1128 00:56:44,183 --> 00:56:46,403 Like, how do I acknowledge 1129 00:56:46,533 --> 00:56:49,536 this thing that this person has done 1130 00:56:49,667 --> 00:56:51,843 and still... 1131 00:56:51,973 --> 00:56:54,454 honor the love inside that I felt 1132 00:56:54,585 --> 00:56:57,022 and perhaps even still feel for that person? 1133 00:56:59,894 --> 00:57:02,375 BRITTANY: Reckonings like... 1134 00:57:02,506 --> 00:57:04,856 the one R. Kelly is currently going through 1135 00:57:04,986 --> 00:57:08,686 always open up broader conversations in society. 1136 00:57:08,816 --> 00:57:12,298 I know men who are deeply surprised 1137 00:57:12,429 --> 00:57:15,214 by just how many women have a #MeToo story. 1138 00:57:15,344 --> 00:57:17,608 If you're not having a conversation about consent 1139 00:57:17,738 --> 00:57:20,045 with your sons like you are with your daughters, 1140 00:57:20,175 --> 00:57:21,829 then you're doing it the wrong way. 1141 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,657 Dudes, we need to sit down and actually have 1142 00:57:23,788 --> 00:57:25,659 real conversations about what it is to be men 1143 00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:27,922 in, uh, in society and how to be men, 1144 00:57:28,053 --> 00:57:29,576 because most of the conversations that men have-- 1145 00:57:29,707 --> 00:57:31,796 and I know this as a man growing up in America-- 1146 00:57:31,926 --> 00:57:33,319 are about bull[bleep], 1147 00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:35,756 are about, like, conquest 1148 00:57:35,887 --> 00:57:37,845 or about, like, how big your [bleep] is 1149 00:57:37,976 --> 00:57:40,152 or about how potent you are. 1150 00:57:40,282 --> 00:57:42,284 And that's the kind of thing that leads to not having 1151 00:57:42,415 --> 00:57:43,808 real conversations where you could go, 1152 00:57:43,938 --> 00:57:45,505 "Hey, dude, that's not... don't say that. 1153 00:57:45,636 --> 00:57:47,376 Don't be thatway." 1154 00:57:47,507 --> 00:57:49,509 What's important is that... 1155 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,034 that the law supports survivors 1156 00:57:53,165 --> 00:57:55,515 and that the law does a better job 1157 00:57:55,646 --> 00:57:58,170 of encouraging survivors to report. 1158 00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:00,607 Sexual abuse, sexual assault 1159 00:58:00,738 --> 00:58:03,610 is one of themost underreported crimes. 1160 00:58:03,741 --> 00:58:06,308 And I think that's because victims... 1161 00:58:06,439 --> 00:58:08,267 fear that they won't be believed, 1162 00:58:08,397 --> 00:58:11,879 that the biggest evidence is not a-a forensic kit, 1163 00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:13,968 it's your memory. 1164 00:58:14,099 --> 00:58:16,667 It's your willingness to put yourself out there 1165 00:58:16,797 --> 00:58:18,712 and talk about 1166 00:58:18,843 --> 00:58:22,542 the most traumatic thing that's happened to you. 1167 00:58:22,673 --> 00:58:24,762 You know, it starts not just in the courtroom. 1168 00:58:24,892 --> 00:58:27,155 When you have to tell a parent. 1169 00:58:27,286 --> 00:58:29,680 When you then have to tell a police officer. 1170 00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:32,813 When you have to tell a nurse or a doctor or a social worker. 1171 00:58:32,944 --> 00:58:36,164 That's before you even get to the prosecutor. 1172 00:58:36,295 --> 00:58:39,211 And so I think our system has not been, uh... 1173 00:58:39,341 --> 00:58:41,735 operating in a compassionate way 1174 00:58:41,866 --> 00:58:45,652 that welcomes those who have these experiences to come 1175 00:58:45,783 --> 00:58:49,787 without the fear of being re-traumatized. 1176 00:58:49,917 --> 00:58:51,397 And I-I think that's something 1177 00:58:51,528 --> 00:58:53,268 that we have to actively work on. 1178 00:58:53,399 --> 00:58:55,357 BURKE: For a lot of survivors, 1179 00:58:55,488 --> 00:58:57,795 part of our healing comes down to making sure other people 1180 00:58:57,925 --> 00:58:59,710 don't ever feel like we felt, 1181 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,103 making sure nobody else has to carry that burden 1182 00:59:02,234 --> 00:59:05,933 or live with that trauma or, you know, deal with the demons 1183 00:59:06,064 --> 00:59:09,110 that come up when you have survived 1184 00:59:09,241 --> 00:59:12,113 any form of violence, but particularly sexual violence. 1185 00:59:12,244 --> 00:59:14,986 People have to have their healing separated 1186 00:59:15,116 --> 00:59:17,945 from whatever happens to the person that caused the harm, 1187 00:59:18,076 --> 00:59:19,947 because nothing may ever happen, 1188 00:59:20,078 --> 00:59:22,515 and you still have to live your life. 1189 00:59:22,646 --> 00:59:24,517 ♪ 1190 00:59:27,912 --> 00:59:30,784 ASANTE: The goal is to help all victims, 1191 00:59:30,915 --> 00:59:33,134 not just victims of Rob. 1192 00:59:33,265 --> 00:59:35,354 For those victim shaming us, 1193 00:59:35,484 --> 00:59:37,008 it could be your child 1194 00:59:37,138 --> 00:59:39,358 or somebody close to you that's being abused 1195 00:59:39,488 --> 00:59:41,316 watching you victim shame us 1196 00:59:41,447 --> 00:59:43,884 that they're afraid to let you know that they're being abused. 1197 00:59:44,015 --> 00:59:45,843 So I just want people to be mindful 1198 00:59:45,973 --> 00:59:47,975 of the things that you're doing to each other. 1199 00:59:48,106 --> 00:59:51,544 TIFFANY: I was the first girl, 1200 00:59:51,675 --> 00:59:54,112 and nobody believed me. 1201 00:59:54,242 --> 00:59:56,157 I made it through. 1202 00:59:56,288 --> 00:59:58,029 I wasn't gonna let... 1203 00:59:58,159 --> 00:59:59,596 R. Kelly be 1204 00:59:59,726 --> 01:00:02,294 the end of my life story. 1205 01:00:02,424 --> 01:00:04,905 ♪ I got the power♪ 1206 01:00:06,385 --> 01:00:07,908 ♪ Ooh♪ 1207 01:00:09,388 --> 01:00:11,782 KANIKA: I survived the backlash, 1208 01:00:11,912 --> 01:00:14,175 I survived R. Kelly, I survived therapy. 1209 01:00:14,306 --> 01:00:16,351 ♪ Power♪ 1210 01:00:16,482 --> 01:00:18,136 I am still a survivor of all things. 1211 01:00:18,266 --> 01:00:21,095 ♪ I feel the power♪ 1212 01:00:21,226 --> 01:00:22,444 ♪ Power...♪ 1213 01:00:22,575 --> 01:00:24,403 EBONY: It can be a learning experience, 1214 01:00:24,533 --> 01:00:26,840 and if you take that bad part out 1215 01:00:26,971 --> 01:00:29,974 and learn from it, that's great. 1216 01:00:30,104 --> 01:00:31,758 LANITA: I didn't know 1217 01:00:31,889 --> 01:00:33,978 that I would be advocating for myself. 1218 01:00:34,108 --> 01:00:36,154 I love life now. 1219 01:00:38,243 --> 01:00:41,768 DOMINIQUE: This is what living is supposed to be like. 1220 01:00:41,899 --> 01:00:43,814 I'm five months' pregnant, and it's a girl. 1221 01:00:43,944 --> 01:00:45,859 ♪ This is where you end and I begin♪ 1222 01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:47,644 I was praying for a boy, but... 1223 01:00:47,774 --> 01:00:49,428 I was blessed with a girl. 1224 01:00:49,558 --> 01:00:51,735 ♪ I am the one I've been waiting for...♪ 1225 01:00:51,865 --> 01:00:53,171 FAITH: You have to find inner peace 1226 01:00:53,301 --> 01:00:55,477 and know that there's gonna be somebody 1227 01:00:55,608 --> 01:00:57,305 who doesn't believe me, 1228 01:00:57,436 --> 01:00:59,177 and there's people who aren't as passionate 1229 01:00:59,307 --> 01:01:01,222 about the situation like I am, 1230 01:01:01,353 --> 01:01:03,007 and there's people who just don't understand. 1231 01:01:03,137 --> 01:01:04,922 ♪ 1232 01:01:05,052 --> 01:01:07,315 LIZZETTE: People aren't afraid to talk anymore. 1233 01:01:07,446 --> 01:01:09,535 There's nothing secret; that's what we're moving toward. 1234 01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:12,799 ♪ I feel the power♪ 1235 01:01:12,930 --> 01:01:14,409 ♪ Ooh...♪ 1236 01:01:14,540 --> 01:01:16,455 JERHONDA: Joycelyn and Azriel, 1237 01:01:16,585 --> 01:01:19,023 you are worth so much more than Rob. 1238 01:01:19,153 --> 01:01:21,590 ♪ I feel the power...♪ 1239 01:01:21,721 --> 01:01:24,463 You have so much to live for. 1240 01:01:24,593 --> 01:01:26,770 We're still fighting for you, we really are. 1241 01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:30,077 We are fighting for you two to come home. 1242 01:01:30,208 --> 01:01:32,514 And you will survive R. Kelly. 1243 01:02:04,633 --> 01:02:07,506 Azriel, she has... 1244 01:02:07,636 --> 01:02:11,118 left the side of, um, Robert Kelly, 1245 01:02:11,249 --> 01:02:14,295 and she's taking an independent role 1246 01:02:14,426 --> 01:02:17,908 and taking control of her life as an independent woman 1247 01:02:18,038 --> 01:02:21,955 to show the world that she is strong, she is independent, 1248 01:02:22,086 --> 01:02:24,653 and that she, you know... 1249 01:02:24,784 --> 01:02:28,527 look forward to a bright future on her own. 1250 01:02:29,876 --> 01:02:31,704 My heart, and, you know, 1251 01:02:31,835 --> 01:02:34,402 that pain, all this, you know, been-been healed. 1252 01:02:34,533 --> 01:02:36,230 If I was a man that cried... 1253 01:02:36,361 --> 01:02:37,754 I'm crying right now. 1254 01:02:37,884 --> 01:02:39,756 So y'all can see underneath, 1255 01:02:39,886 --> 01:02:42,062 I'm pouring with tears right now. 1256 01:02:43,324 --> 01:02:44,935 But I am happy. 1257 01:02:45,065 --> 01:02:46,501 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS