1 00:00:15,015 --> 00:00:16,799 ♪ 2 00:00:20,716 --> 00:00:22,892 I felt like I could talk to him, you know? 3 00:00:22,935 --> 00:00:25,677 Like he was a normal person, not a celebrity. 4 00:00:25,721 --> 00:00:27,244 Very welcoming. 5 00:00:27,288 --> 00:00:29,290 Robert treated me very well. 6 00:00:29,333 --> 00:00:31,292 Charismatic. Funny. 7 00:00:31,335 --> 00:00:32,728 Extremely caring. 8 00:00:32,771 --> 00:00:34,512 He's hard not to like. 9 00:00:34,556 --> 00:00:36,993 It was very romantic to me. 10 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:39,082 Our relationship was beautiful in the beginning. 11 00:00:39,126 --> 00:00:40,388 But, um... 12 00:00:42,433 --> 00:00:44,696 Didn't know about the storm on the horizon. 13 00:00:44,740 --> 00:00:46,307 He would break you down. 14 00:00:46,350 --> 00:00:47,699 He would turn around and say, 15 00:00:47,743 --> 00:00:49,353 "I'm the only one that loves you, 16 00:00:49,397 --> 00:00:50,789 I'm the only one who cares about you." 17 00:00:50,833 --> 00:00:52,617 I was mentally drained. 18 00:00:52,661 --> 00:00:55,098 Robert feels as if he's invincible. 19 00:00:55,142 --> 00:00:56,926 "I can't be touched." 20 00:00:56,969 --> 00:00:59,233 And in hindsight, in society, 21 00:00:59,276 --> 00:01:01,452 we kind of made him feel that way. 22 00:01:01,496 --> 00:01:03,411 ♪ 23 00:01:32,527 --> 00:01:34,572 CRAIG WILLIAMS: He had a voice 24 00:01:34,616 --> 00:01:35,965 that was incredible. 25 00:01:36,008 --> 00:01:37,662 CAREY KELLY: All the labels start calling, 26 00:01:37,706 --> 00:01:39,186 and that's when he took off. 27 00:01:39,229 --> 00:01:40,796 JOHN LEGEND: His songs were a huge part 28 00:01:40,839 --> 00:01:42,450 of the soundtrack of our lives. 29 00:01:42,493 --> 00:01:43,973 I heard a lot about Rob 30 00:01:44,016 --> 00:01:45,888 going to Kenwood High School. 31 00:01:45,931 --> 00:01:46,976 I always wondered, 32 00:01:47,019 --> 00:01:48,282 what the heck is he doing 33 00:01:48,325 --> 00:01:50,022 hanging around the high school? 34 00:01:50,066 --> 00:01:51,937 KATHY CHANEY: He liked high school girls. 35 00:01:51,981 --> 00:01:53,591 They were too young for him. 36 00:01:53,635 --> 00:01:55,767 They were so vulnerable. 37 00:01:55,811 --> 00:01:56,986 DEMETRIUS SMITH: I didn't want to believe that Robert 38 00:01:57,029 --> 00:01:58,553 was messing with Aaliyah 39 00:01:58,596 --> 00:02:00,163 because she was so young. 40 00:02:00,207 --> 00:02:03,166 JOVANTE CUNNINGHAM: The door flew open on the bus. 41 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:05,081 Robert was having sex with Aaliyah. 42 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:07,257 JAMILAH LEMIEUX: A 15-year old girl. 43 00:02:12,001 --> 00:02:14,177 ♪ 44 00:02:19,661 --> 00:02:22,272 CRAIG: Rob was the big star of Chicago at that time. 45 00:02:22,316 --> 00:02:24,579 He was all over the radio, the radio loved him. 46 00:02:24,622 --> 00:02:27,321 He had a lot of hit songs and they were playing his songs. 47 00:02:27,364 --> 00:02:28,844 Chicago loved R. Kelly. 48 00:02:28,887 --> 00:02:30,280 TRACII McGREGOR: There was "Vibe," 49 00:02:30,324 --> 00:02:33,196 and he another big hit, "Honey Love." 50 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,067 You had to know who R. Kelly was. 51 00:02:35,111 --> 00:02:37,069 MISS INFO: He was larger than life. 52 00:02:37,113 --> 00:02:39,202 It was kind of like all of our hopes and dreams 53 00:02:39,246 --> 00:02:40,638 wrapped up into this artist. 54 00:02:40,682 --> 00:02:44,599 Teenage girls definitely wanted to meet him, 55 00:02:44,642 --> 00:02:49,256 and I had heard lots of stories about girls who did. 56 00:02:49,299 --> 00:02:54,652 TARANA BURKE: This is really about an adult man who is using 57 00:02:54,696 --> 00:02:57,220 the power of his fame and wealth and whatever 58 00:02:57,264 --> 00:03:00,441 to systematically degrade little black girls. 59 00:03:00,484 --> 00:03:01,877 CRAIG: When you get type of power, 60 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:03,705 you kind of lose perspective of reality. 61 00:03:03,748 --> 00:03:06,795 ♪ 62 00:03:06,838 --> 00:03:10,277 Robert dated a lot of women from a lot of different cities. 63 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,757 We-We'd fly 'em in, we'd fly 'em out. 64 00:03:15,020 --> 00:03:18,546 BRUCE: Robert likes younger women. 65 00:03:18,589 --> 00:03:20,548 You have people who have fantasies 66 00:03:20,591 --> 00:03:22,114 about different things. 67 00:03:22,158 --> 00:03:24,116 I like older women. 68 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,729 Go figure, you know? 69 00:03:27,772 --> 00:03:30,688 But that's just a preference. 70 00:03:30,732 --> 00:03:33,865 It's a preference. Everyone has preferences. 71 00:03:35,084 --> 00:03:37,129 So, what is the big deal? 72 00:03:37,173 --> 00:03:40,698 What's the big issue with my brother? 73 00:03:43,962 --> 00:03:46,965 CRAIG: When I went down to the studio, I could see what kind 74 00:03:47,009 --> 00:03:51,405 of lifestyle Rob was living and what was going on in his life. 75 00:03:51,448 --> 00:03:53,363 And it didn't look good to me. 76 00:03:53,407 --> 00:03:57,106 There was a bedroom in the main room of the studio. 77 00:03:57,149 --> 00:04:00,065 There was girls everywhere. 78 00:04:00,109 --> 00:04:03,504 There was a young girl sitting, and she had to be, I don't-- 79 00:04:03,547 --> 00:04:06,115 I haven't checked her ID, I don't know, 80 00:04:06,158 --> 00:04:09,379 but anywhere between 15 to 17 to 18-- she was a teenager. 81 00:04:09,423 --> 00:04:10,467 She was young. 82 00:04:10,511 --> 00:04:12,034 You can tell what's young. 83 00:04:12,077 --> 00:04:13,949 I don't know if they were together. 84 00:04:13,992 --> 00:04:18,823 When I went to another room, there was a girl in that room. 85 00:04:18,867 --> 00:04:21,261 With the lights out. Waiting. 86 00:04:21,304 --> 00:04:23,785 There was another girl in this lounge, over there. 87 00:04:23,828 --> 00:04:27,049 Lights out, waiting. 88 00:04:27,092 --> 00:04:28,920 And I'm telling Reed, my business partner, 89 00:04:28,964 --> 00:04:30,270 "What the hell is going on?" 90 00:04:33,577 --> 00:04:35,536 LIZZETTE: Robert... 91 00:04:35,579 --> 00:04:36,841 he's hard not to like. 92 00:04:36,885 --> 00:04:40,367 It's hard not to like him. 93 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,417 I was at a party at his house, and I didn't drink, 94 00:04:47,461 --> 00:04:49,506 but his friend gave me some alcohol. 95 00:04:49,550 --> 00:04:52,379 So, I-I was really, like, hazy, 96 00:04:52,422 --> 00:04:54,772 and I remember he took me up to the room. 97 00:04:56,383 --> 00:04:59,124 It was just a blur. 98 00:04:59,168 --> 00:05:01,823 He went back to the party and I just kind of passed out. 99 00:05:04,129 --> 00:05:08,264 It was my first sexual experience, 100 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:10,788 and I didn't think it would be that way. 101 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:17,142 Sex with him felt not natural. 102 00:05:19,188 --> 00:05:22,452 Visiting him, it was mainly about sex. 103 00:05:22,496 --> 00:05:25,847 I felt like a sex object. 104 00:05:25,890 --> 00:05:27,849 You know, he would just say, 105 00:05:27,892 --> 00:05:31,026 "I still want to, um, help you with your career." 106 00:05:31,069 --> 00:05:34,029 Music was my joy. 107 00:05:34,072 --> 00:05:38,468 So I felt like my dreams are gonna come true. 108 00:05:38,512 --> 00:05:39,730 I just kind of, like, listened to him 109 00:05:39,774 --> 00:05:41,036 and said okay, you know, and stayed 110 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:43,125 there by myself. 111 00:05:43,168 --> 00:05:44,909 He would have people follow me 112 00:05:44,953 --> 00:05:46,476 because he told me as much, 113 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,391 "If you leave this hotel room or go anywhere, 114 00:05:48,435 --> 00:05:51,263 "I have my boys following you, 115 00:05:51,307 --> 00:05:52,743 and I know everything that you're doing." 116 00:05:53,962 --> 00:05:56,530 So I was very fearful. 117 00:05:56,573 --> 00:05:58,836 Wouldn't hear from him for days, 118 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,447 and then he would come back, and it was just 119 00:06:00,490 --> 00:06:03,232 sex and abu-- and-and... 120 00:06:03,275 --> 00:06:05,190 mental and physical abuse. 121 00:06:07,149 --> 00:06:09,238 TOURE: And here we have R. Kelly, 122 00:06:09,281 --> 00:06:12,546 who's saying, "I will help you create a career." 123 00:06:15,810 --> 00:06:20,031 But he never intended to do that. 124 00:06:20,075 --> 00:06:23,731 And, here again, women trying to move up in good faith. 125 00:06:23,774 --> 00:06:26,603 "I am a singer, I will listen to you. I will..." 126 00:06:26,647 --> 00:06:28,605 And he's just like, 127 00:06:28,649 --> 00:06:31,869 "I'm just gonna take you and take your body." 128 00:06:34,481 --> 00:06:36,091 ORONIKE ODELEYE: A lot of the young women 129 00:06:36,134 --> 00:06:37,832 who became involved with him, 130 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:39,747 a lot of them started from the same place 131 00:06:39,790 --> 00:06:41,270 that most people in the black community are, 132 00:06:41,313 --> 00:06:42,576 of, "I've heard those rumors, 133 00:06:42,619 --> 00:06:44,012 "but I don't believe that to be true. 134 00:06:44,055 --> 00:06:47,145 "I'm an aspiring star, I'm not a gold digger. 135 00:06:47,189 --> 00:06:49,757 "I'm not fast. I'm not this, that, or the other. 136 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,238 I'm introduced to him or I get an opportunity to meet him." 137 00:06:53,282 --> 00:06:56,024 Um, and he's a charming, rich, famous person 138 00:06:56,067 --> 00:06:58,461 who has the ability to fly you around the world 139 00:06:58,505 --> 00:07:00,942 or, you know, buy you whatever you want or do whatever. 140 00:07:00,985 --> 00:07:03,640 I mean, that's, that's a lot of temptation 141 00:07:03,684 --> 00:07:06,034 for somebody so young and naive. 142 00:07:08,515 --> 00:07:10,778 LIZZETTE: The first time he was physically abusive, 143 00:07:10,821 --> 00:07:16,653 I was 17 and I-I said hello to someone that I shouldn't have, 144 00:07:16,697 --> 00:07:19,047 or I was looking at someone 145 00:07:19,090 --> 00:07:20,657 that I shouldn't have been looking at. [scoffs] 146 00:07:20,701 --> 00:07:25,270 You know, so he didn't like that. 147 00:07:25,314 --> 00:07:26,446 He took me outside 148 00:07:26,489 --> 00:07:27,882 and smacked me and said, like, 149 00:07:27,925 --> 00:07:30,275 "You can-- You're only supposed to look at me." 150 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:32,060 And I don't understand this. 151 00:07:32,103 --> 00:07:34,497 I just... 152 00:07:34,541 --> 00:07:38,196 I just cried and said okay. 153 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,503 And then I did that going forward 154 00:07:40,547 --> 00:07:42,418 'cause I didn't want to get-- 155 00:07:42,462 --> 00:07:44,768 I didn't want to anger him or get hit. 156 00:07:48,380 --> 00:07:51,383 DR. CANDICE NORCOTT: Anybody can be a victim of abuse. 157 00:07:51,427 --> 00:07:53,211 However, there are certain contexts 158 00:07:53,255 --> 00:07:56,171 and certain characteristics that can make you more vulnerable. 159 00:07:56,214 --> 00:08:00,523 Like inequal power dynamics. 160 00:08:00,567 --> 00:08:02,960 Girls can go into a situation 161 00:08:03,004 --> 00:08:04,309 really wanting something... 162 00:08:07,356 --> 00:08:08,879 ...and when somebody feels that they can 163 00:08:08,923 --> 00:08:10,664 hold that something over her head, 164 00:08:10,707 --> 00:08:14,363 "If you just do this with me," 165 00:08:14,406 --> 00:08:18,541 and the behavior and the exploitation can escalate. 166 00:08:18,585 --> 00:08:22,414 INTERVIEWER: When did you find out that he was married? 167 00:08:22,458 --> 00:08:25,722 Maybe a year after they were married. 168 00:08:25,766 --> 00:08:28,508 I never knew. Never said anything. 169 00:08:28,551 --> 00:08:32,816 My best friend said she heard it on the radio. 170 00:08:32,860 --> 00:08:35,863 And... 171 00:08:35,906 --> 00:08:38,909 I was, like, in shock. 172 00:08:38,953 --> 00:08:41,477 We never spoke of the marriag. 173 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:43,653 He never told me about the marriage. 174 00:08:47,831 --> 00:08:52,575 GEM: There were quite a few women, but there are only 175 00:08:52,619 --> 00:08:53,924 a couple of women in his life 176 00:08:53,968 --> 00:08:56,013 that-that I know of that he really loved. 177 00:08:56,057 --> 00:08:59,843 Obviously, Aaliyah and my sister, 178 00:08:59,887 --> 00:09:02,585 Andrea Lee, at the time, now Kelly. 179 00:09:02,629 --> 00:09:06,110 BRUCE: I was shocked that Robert married her. 180 00:09:06,154 --> 00:09:10,550 It just looked like to me that they weren't compatible. 181 00:09:10,593 --> 00:09:14,249 She just seemed different than, uh, 182 00:09:14,292 --> 00:09:16,947 what he was, uh, what he was accustomed to... 183 00:09:16,991 --> 00:09:18,906 having. 184 00:09:25,608 --> 00:09:27,610 ANDREA: My name is Andrea Kelly. 185 00:09:27,654 --> 00:09:30,004 Born and raised in the Windy City. 186 00:09:30,047 --> 00:09:33,311 My family says that I danced before I walked. 187 00:09:33,355 --> 00:09:36,967 Dance is the reason why I met Robert. 188 00:09:37,011 --> 00:09:38,926 A good friend of mine, Larry, convinced me 189 00:09:38,969 --> 00:09:40,580 to go to an audition. 190 00:09:40,623 --> 00:09:42,320 I'm like, "Larry, I'm not going to an audition. 191 00:09:42,364 --> 00:09:43,844 First of all, who the hell is R. Kelly?" 192 00:09:43,887 --> 00:09:45,585 'Cause I'd never heard of him at that point. 193 00:09:45,628 --> 00:09:47,412 He's like, "No, you should come, it's dope. 194 00:09:47,456 --> 00:09:49,589 "He's got this new song out called 'Sex Me.' 195 00:09:49,632 --> 00:09:51,329 He's going on tour, he's looking for dancers." 196 00:09:51,373 --> 00:09:52,635 She killed it. 197 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,290 She was the best out of 400 girls. 198 00:09:55,333 --> 00:09:58,641 I mean, Drea's probably one of the best dancers in the world. 199 00:09:58,685 --> 00:09:59,642 ANDREA: This lady says, 200 00:09:59,686 --> 00:10:00,600 "You got the job. 201 00:10:00,643 --> 00:10:01,992 He loved you." 202 00:10:02,036 --> 00:10:03,907 And that's how our worlds collide. 203 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,391 He was a go-getter, and that was amazing 204 00:10:09,434 --> 00:10:14,309 to me, to see somebody who, after sharing 205 00:10:14,352 --> 00:10:16,703 that he didn't read or wr-write well. 206 00:10:16,746 --> 00:10:20,097 But you could create these amazing songs. 207 00:10:20,141 --> 00:10:22,143 I was mesmerized. 208 00:10:23,753 --> 00:10:25,450 There is a part of me that's like, 209 00:10:25,494 --> 00:10:28,845 "Wow, he is really a musical genius." 210 00:10:28,889 --> 00:10:31,848 I started to see a more gentle 211 00:10:31,892 --> 00:10:34,111 or, I-I'd rather say, vulnerable side. 212 00:10:34,155 --> 00:10:36,026 He started to get to the point where he would ask me 213 00:10:36,070 --> 00:10:38,289 to teach him how to read. 214 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:42,250 Being able to share the loss of his mom... 215 00:10:42,293 --> 00:10:43,381 With me, 216 00:10:43,425 --> 00:10:48,909 it was like, 100% wall down. 217 00:10:48,952 --> 00:10:50,911 Down to the studs. 218 00:10:50,954 --> 00:10:53,261 The nurturer that I am, you're thinking, 219 00:10:53,304 --> 00:10:56,351 "Okay, I'm not gonna be that person in his life 220 00:10:56,394 --> 00:10:57,918 "that turns a blind eye. 221 00:10:57,961 --> 00:11:00,311 "I'm not gonna be that person in his life 222 00:11:00,355 --> 00:11:02,662 "that his story is falling on deaf ears. 223 00:11:02,705 --> 00:11:04,446 "I'm gonna be that person in his life 224 00:11:04,489 --> 00:11:06,274 that's gonna love him through it." 225 00:11:06,317 --> 00:11:09,016 And it was actually beautiful in the beginning. 226 00:11:09,059 --> 00:11:10,147 But, um... 227 00:11:12,715 --> 00:11:16,501 Didn't know about the storm on the horizon. 228 00:11:16,545 --> 00:11:19,200 DR. KHADIJA MONK: Someone like R. Kelly would use 229 00:11:19,243 --> 00:11:23,030 their vulnerability to make the victim comfortable. 230 00:11:23,073 --> 00:11:24,727 And so, the victim would then feel, 231 00:11:24,771 --> 00:11:28,731 "Okay, well, they've shared this very private moment with me." 232 00:11:28,775 --> 00:11:30,341 And that's how you build trust. 233 00:11:30,385 --> 00:11:34,084 Vulnerability, um, builds trust in that regard. 234 00:11:34,128 --> 00:11:37,784 For many girls and women, it starts as, um, caring. 235 00:11:37,827 --> 00:11:40,743 Feeling cared for. Feeling paid attention to. 236 00:11:40,787 --> 00:11:42,963 Um, and then getting lulled into, over time, 237 00:11:43,006 --> 00:11:46,836 more constricting and more abusive behavior. 238 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,230 I saw another side of him. 239 00:11:49,273 --> 00:11:51,232 The dark side. 240 00:11:51,275 --> 00:11:53,495 He would say, "You have to call me Daddy." 241 00:11:53,538 --> 00:11:55,758 I wasn't free to walk around. 242 00:11:55,802 --> 00:11:58,935 If I wanted to use the restroom, I'd have to ask him. 243 00:11:58,979 --> 00:12:00,894 If I was hungry, I have to ask him. 244 00:12:00,937 --> 00:12:03,418 He came up once 245 00:12:03,461 --> 00:12:05,246 and grabbed me by my arm in the room 246 00:12:05,289 --> 00:12:06,900 and dragged me down the hallway 247 00:12:06,943 --> 00:12:10,033 because I talked back to him. 248 00:12:10,077 --> 00:12:11,687 I was kicking and screaming and crying. 249 00:12:12,862 --> 00:12:14,646 He told me to perform 250 00:12:14,690 --> 00:12:17,388 sexual acts while his friends were in the back seat 251 00:12:17,432 --> 00:12:20,000 and, like, humiliated me in front of everyone. 252 00:12:20,043 --> 00:12:22,742 It was like he owned me. 253 00:12:31,228 --> 00:12:32,969 R. Kelly was definitely part of this milieu 254 00:12:33,013 --> 00:12:35,363 that also involved the Jacksons. 255 00:12:35,406 --> 00:12:36,930 Uh, both Michael and Janet, who were, 256 00:12:36,973 --> 00:12:40,803 uh, connecting R & B to the mainstream. 257 00:12:40,847 --> 00:12:42,979 BRUCE: Robert had actually did 258 00:12:43,023 --> 00:12:46,766 a remake on Janet, and when-when it did so well, 259 00:12:46,809 --> 00:12:48,985 that Mike liked it, 260 00:12:49,029 --> 00:12:51,248 and Mike wanted to work with Robert. 261 00:12:51,292 --> 00:12:54,208 Robert was like, he was really thrilled, you know, 262 00:12:54,251 --> 00:12:56,166 to get a chance to produce Michael Jackson. 263 00:12:56,210 --> 00:12:59,474 That was like a turn of his career. 264 00:12:59,517 --> 00:13:01,650 He let me hear-- he said, "Who's this?" 265 00:13:01,693 --> 00:13:03,391 I listened to the song, I said, 266 00:13:03,434 --> 00:13:05,306 "That's easy. That's Michael Jackson." 267 00:13:05,349 --> 00:13:07,395 "Come on, Bruce, man. 268 00:13:07,438 --> 00:13:09,310 You don't even know your brother's own voice?" 269 00:13:09,353 --> 00:13:11,268 I said, "That's you?" 270 00:13:11,312 --> 00:13:14,924 He sang the song himself, right, and let Mike hear them. 271 00:13:14,968 --> 00:13:16,970 And when Michael Jackson heard it, Michael said, 272 00:13:17,013 --> 00:13:19,624 [high-pitched voice]: "Oh, my God, he sounds just like me." 273 00:13:19,668 --> 00:13:21,801 [chuckles] 274 00:13:21,844 --> 00:13:23,803 He just said that he had something, like, 275 00:13:23,846 --> 00:13:26,544 really special that he had been working on. 276 00:13:26,588 --> 00:13:30,331 At this time, I'm a senior in high school, and... 277 00:13:30,374 --> 00:13:32,768 I found out that I was pregnant. 278 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,732 And a few days later, I had a miscarriage. 279 00:13:43,083 --> 00:13:46,042 When he wrote it, he was thinking of me. 280 00:13:47,739 --> 00:13:49,654 So then he played it 281 00:13:49,698 --> 00:13:52,744 and he called the song "You Are Not Alone." 282 00:13:54,529 --> 00:13:56,400 NELSON GEORGE: R. writes him a really... 283 00:13:56,444 --> 00:13:59,795 great song about someone, um, 284 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:03,146 dealing with the idea of isolation, 285 00:14:03,190 --> 00:14:05,932 which is a big theme in Michael's music. 286 00:14:05,975 --> 00:14:08,935 JOVANTE: In hindsight, all of his songs, 287 00:14:08,978 --> 00:14:10,850 they're real stories. 288 00:14:10,893 --> 00:14:13,461 They're about different people during those times 289 00:14:13,504 --> 00:14:16,464 in different situations that were occurring with him. 290 00:14:16,507 --> 00:14:19,293 So, "Your Body's Callin'," things like that. 291 00:14:19,336 --> 00:14:21,034 "Sex Me." 292 00:14:21,077 --> 00:14:23,166 Those are real stories. 293 00:14:23,210 --> 00:14:25,647 "Age Ain't Nothing but a Number." He meant that. 294 00:14:25,690 --> 00:14:28,432 DR. JODY ADEWALE: A perpetrator might 295 00:14:28,476 --> 00:14:29,999 isolate an individual. 296 00:14:30,043 --> 00:14:32,654 It's easier for a perpetrator to abuse 297 00:14:32,697 --> 00:14:35,222 when that individual doesn't have resources. 298 00:14:35,265 --> 00:14:37,877 BRUCE: Me and my brothers, 299 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,792 we all have our ways with our girls. 300 00:14:40,836 --> 00:14:44,274 We're very jealous guys. 301 00:14:44,318 --> 00:14:46,581 We don't want our girls doing certain things. You... 302 00:14:46,624 --> 00:14:48,191 Y-You're not gonna see our girls 303 00:14:48,235 --> 00:14:50,324 talking too much to people, and all this. 304 00:14:50,367 --> 00:14:52,630 That's-that's just the way we are. 305 00:14:52,674 --> 00:14:55,459 ANDREA: Robert has a lot of rules for people, 306 00:14:55,503 --> 00:14:56,808 but he doesn't have many for himself. 307 00:14:56,852 --> 00:15:00,247 Um, I think he wants to be perceived 308 00:15:00,290 --> 00:15:02,292 as the ultimate alpha male, 309 00:15:02,336 --> 00:15:04,947 when he's really the runt of the litter. 310 00:15:04,991 --> 00:15:08,951 There was a rule, being on tour with him. 311 00:15:08,995 --> 00:15:12,868 "The dancers do not communicate with my background singers, 312 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:15,610 my band don't communicate with my dancers." 313 00:15:15,653 --> 00:15:18,874 He-he really ran it like a dictatorship. 314 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:20,876 Like, when we would walk in as dancers, 315 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,791 we walked in in a single-file line. 316 00:15:22,834 --> 00:15:25,185 We did not get to communicate 317 00:15:25,228 --> 00:15:27,187 with the other artists in the venue. 318 00:15:27,230 --> 00:15:29,537 We had to stay in our dressing rooms 319 00:15:29,580 --> 00:15:31,843 until it was time for you to hit the stage. 320 00:15:31,887 --> 00:15:35,238 My parents were trying to get a hold of me and they couldn't. 321 00:15:35,282 --> 00:15:39,199 I did not know that my cell phone number was being changed. 322 00:15:39,242 --> 00:15:41,505 And I believe 323 00:15:41,549 --> 00:15:44,856 he strategically did it so that he could have all this going on, 324 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:48,686 and if I keep you locked away and keep you isolated, 325 00:15:48,730 --> 00:15:50,427 you don't get to see this other side. 326 00:15:52,212 --> 00:15:54,257 BRUCE: We used to talk with Andrea 327 00:15:54,301 --> 00:15:57,565 and the other dancers and stuff and have fun. 328 00:15:57,608 --> 00:16:00,829 But after they got married, no more of that. 329 00:16:00,872 --> 00:16:03,179 Just-- you know, she-- it was like, 330 00:16:03,223 --> 00:16:05,442 she wouldn't even speak to us. 331 00:16:05,486 --> 00:16:08,271 And it was hard to know if we could speak to her. 332 00:16:13,102 --> 00:16:16,410 Robert chartered a plane with a banner 333 00:16:16,453 --> 00:16:21,589 that said, "Andrea, will you marry me?" 334 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:23,678 [chuckles] 335 00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:27,290 And then the dude dropped down in a parachute with a ring. 336 00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:31,033 And she said yeah. 337 00:16:31,077 --> 00:16:33,731 So it was a secret ceremony. 338 00:16:33,775 --> 00:16:36,169 He was really sneaky. 339 00:16:36,212 --> 00:16:38,040 And I would have loved for his brothers 340 00:16:38,084 --> 00:16:40,216 to be there with him. 341 00:16:40,260 --> 00:16:42,914 For memories, if nothing else. 342 00:16:42,958 --> 00:16:44,742 Fame is one thing. 343 00:16:44,786 --> 00:16:49,008 You know, but when you start to lose 344 00:16:49,051 --> 00:16:54,317 certain life's precious moments because of fame, 345 00:16:54,361 --> 00:16:56,015 I think I'd do without it. 346 00:16:57,364 --> 00:16:59,235 I felt bad. 347 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:00,932 I could see that she wanted 348 00:17:00,976 --> 00:17:04,501 her people there, you know? 349 00:17:04,545 --> 00:17:08,505 She wanted her mom there, she wanted her dad there. 350 00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:11,291 But that's Robert, though. 351 00:17:12,509 --> 00:17:14,294 ANDREA: My wedding 352 00:17:14,337 --> 00:17:15,860 was a surprise wedding. 353 00:17:15,904 --> 00:17:17,862 I did not know I was getting married. 354 00:17:17,906 --> 00:17:20,865 We went to Colorado, and I remember 355 00:17:20,909 --> 00:17:23,607 coming into the hotel room, and there was violinists. 356 00:17:23,651 --> 00:17:25,653 There's a cello player. 357 00:17:25,696 --> 00:17:27,524 He had the cake, he had the food, he had everything, 358 00:17:27,568 --> 00:17:30,745 like he went over the top. 359 00:17:30,788 --> 00:17:33,704 Like, Robert, what if I wanted to do it in a church? 360 00:17:33,748 --> 00:17:35,576 What if I wanted to wear a wedding dress? 361 00:17:35,619 --> 00:17:38,013 I don't think he even understands 362 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:40,885 that ye now crossed that line from being generous 363 00:17:40,929 --> 00:17:42,365 to being controlling. 364 00:17:46,239 --> 00:17:48,893 INTERVIEWER: Tell me about what happened in the end. 365 00:17:48,937 --> 00:17:50,765 What was the final straw? 366 00:17:50,808 --> 00:17:53,985 I caught mononucleosis from him. 367 00:17:54,029 --> 00:17:56,379 And my mono turned into Guillain-Barré, 368 00:17:56,423 --> 00:18:00,470 where my whole body was completely paralyzed, 369 00:18:00,514 --> 00:18:02,820 and I almost didn't make it. 370 00:18:02,864 --> 00:18:05,867 He sent my mother a thousand-dollar check. 371 00:18:05,910 --> 00:18:11,090 I was in ICU for two, two and a half weeks. 372 00:18:11,133 --> 00:18:14,136 I almost died. He was nowhere to be found. 373 00:18:16,312 --> 00:18:18,053 My best friend was very angry 374 00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:20,447 and said that I should stop seeing him. 375 00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:21,839 "You're just going there, 376 00:18:21,883 --> 00:18:24,494 like, you're like a prostitute, really." 377 00:18:24,538 --> 00:18:30,239 That hurt... but it was the truth. 378 00:18:30,283 --> 00:18:33,416 All these things that I didn't want to be, I became. 379 00:18:35,766 --> 00:18:39,161 He stole my life from me. 380 00:18:39,205 --> 00:18:42,338 Being abused like this... 381 00:18:42,382 --> 00:18:44,427 And I don't think he understands, 382 00:18:44,471 --> 00:18:47,213 girls that are young, how impressionable we are 383 00:18:47,256 --> 00:18:49,171 and how traumatic these experiences are. 384 00:18:49,215 --> 00:18:51,130 They change you forever. 385 00:18:51,173 --> 00:18:53,132 [sniffles] 386 00:18:54,568 --> 00:18:57,048 I decided to walk away. 387 00:19:00,356 --> 00:19:02,532 I didn't want to be a victim anymore. 388 00:19:10,061 --> 00:19:13,543 ANDREA: You fall in love with the charmer. 389 00:19:13,587 --> 00:19:17,025 You fall in love with his brokenness. 390 00:19:17,068 --> 00:19:20,289 And then, slowly, he lets the other one creep in. 391 00:19:21,464 --> 00:19:24,902 He's a control freak. 392 00:19:24,946 --> 00:19:26,556 Having to call him Daddy. 393 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:27,905 There should not be repercussions 394 00:19:27,949 --> 00:19:29,690 if I don't call you Daddy. 395 00:19:29,733 --> 00:19:32,432 "I can control what you do, who you do it with, 396 00:19:32,475 --> 00:19:34,216 "how long you do it, where you go, 397 00:19:34,260 --> 00:19:36,871 what you wear, when you eat, when you sleep." 398 00:19:36,914 --> 00:19:38,873 [audience cheering] 399 00:19:38,916 --> 00:19:40,527 I honestly believe 400 00:19:40,570 --> 00:19:42,050 that he has a god complex. 401 00:19:44,444 --> 00:19:47,534 ADEWALE: There's a concept we call learned helplessness 402 00:19:47,577 --> 00:19:50,232 that allows people to feel like "there's nothing I can do 403 00:19:50,276 --> 00:19:52,060 to change this situation." 404 00:19:52,103 --> 00:19:54,497 The more sensationalized idea of sexual abuse, 405 00:19:54,541 --> 00:19:56,717 if someone's tied to a bed or hidden in a closet. 406 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,503 [audience cheers] 407 00:20:00,547 --> 00:20:02,592 The chains and the handcuffs that we see 408 00:20:02,636 --> 00:20:04,333 are all psychological. 409 00:20:04,377 --> 00:20:06,553 And they're learned from a perpetrator 410 00:20:06,596 --> 00:20:09,164 who's very skillful at manipulating an individual 411 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:10,992 to do what he or she wants. 412 00:20:11,035 --> 00:20:12,559 For example, 413 00:20:12,602 --> 00:20:15,736 often men will put out feelers out there. 414 00:20:15,779 --> 00:20:19,261 "Put out a feeler to see who's willing to allow me 415 00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:20,958 to cross this boundary." 416 00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:24,135 So, for example, one might be, um, "Call me Daddy." 417 00:20:24,179 --> 00:20:25,963 Something simple like that. "Call me Daddy." 418 00:20:26,007 --> 00:20:27,835 Okay, that's not the end of the world. 419 00:20:27,878 --> 00:20:29,619 It's not gonna cause you to psychologically be stuck, 420 00:20:29,663 --> 00:20:31,534 but that's step one. 421 00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:36,278 Step two, "Wear these types of clothes around me." 422 00:20:36,322 --> 00:20:38,498 Step three, 423 00:20:38,541 --> 00:20:41,979 "You can't move around the house unless I say so." 424 00:20:42,023 --> 00:20:44,765 So there's no real grandiose manipulation, 425 00:20:44,808 --> 00:20:48,421 it comes in a slow, step-by-step process. 426 00:20:48,464 --> 00:20:50,814 And once you're in, 427 00:20:50,858 --> 00:20:52,251 it's really hard to get out. 428 00:20:55,297 --> 00:20:58,126 SPARKLE: When I began working with R. Kelly, 429 00:20:58,169 --> 00:21:00,433 I did background vocals. 430 00:21:00,476 --> 00:21:02,391 I was hanging out with Robert at his crib. 431 00:21:02,435 --> 00:21:06,047 You know, the fellas were around, and I was the only girl. 432 00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:08,615 We were watching the Chicago Bulls playoff game. 433 00:21:08,658 --> 00:21:11,922 And I kept hearing this knock. 434 00:21:11,966 --> 00:21:15,143 And I'm just like, "Okay." 435 00:21:15,186 --> 00:21:17,319 Robert hasn't moved. 436 00:21:17,363 --> 00:21:19,669 He's focused on the TV. 437 00:21:19,713 --> 00:21:21,715 Knock again. And I'm just like, 438 00:21:21,758 --> 00:21:23,238 "Do you hear that knock?" I'm like, 439 00:21:23,282 --> 00:21:25,109 "Somebody's knocking, Robert." 440 00:21:25,153 --> 00:21:28,330 And he leans back and he say, "Yeah." 441 00:21:28,374 --> 00:21:32,900 And she peeks out the door. 442 00:21:32,943 --> 00:21:34,728 His wife Drea. 443 00:21:36,469 --> 00:21:40,124 And I was like, "Oh, hell no," to myself. 444 00:21:40,168 --> 00:21:42,736 She wanted to come down 445 00:21:42,779 --> 00:21:44,390 to grab a bite to eat. She asked him, 446 00:21:44,433 --> 00:21:47,044 "Is it okay if I come down to grab some food?" 447 00:21:47,088 --> 00:21:50,918 And he was like, "Yeah, come on." 448 00:21:50,961 --> 00:21:55,966 And I was just like, "Wow. Never could be me." 449 00:21:58,708 --> 00:22:00,667 INTERVIEWER: Did he lock you up? 450 00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:05,367 'Cause we've heard stories where you were locked up. 451 00:22:05,411 --> 00:22:07,326 Is that true? 452 00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:08,762 ANDREA: There are certain things 453 00:22:08,805 --> 00:22:11,068 that Robert has done to me that, 454 00:22:11,112 --> 00:22:16,770 that I'm not willing to talk about today because... 455 00:22:16,813 --> 00:22:20,600 the pain, the disbelief, still. 456 00:22:25,169 --> 00:22:27,215 And the darkness of it. 457 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:33,700 ADEWALE: Men or women, boys or girls stay 458 00:22:33,743 --> 00:22:35,310 in victimized situations 459 00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:37,138 due to something we call the "cycle of abuse." 460 00:22:37,181 --> 00:22:39,009 The-the first cycle of abuse is called 461 00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:41,751 the "honeymoon phase," where everything's great, 462 00:22:41,795 --> 00:22:43,405 everything's crimson and clover. 463 00:22:43,449 --> 00:22:45,451 I give you everything you need. I love you. 464 00:22:45,494 --> 00:22:47,322 I give you the sexual attention, the emotional attention, 465 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:48,845 the financial attention. 466 00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:51,413 And then you start walking on eggshells. 467 00:22:51,457 --> 00:22:54,590 Little things, like, if you would do something wrong, 468 00:22:54,634 --> 00:22:57,376 instead of saying, "Hey, do it this way..." 469 00:22:57,419 --> 00:22:59,378 "Are you that stupid?" And you're like, 470 00:22:59,421 --> 00:23:00,944 "Why do I have to be stupid? 471 00:23:00,988 --> 00:23:01,945 "Just because I don't know how to do it, 472 00:23:01,989 --> 00:23:03,382 "it doesn't mean I'm stupid, 473 00:23:03,425 --> 00:23:04,948 "it just means that I haven't mastered it yet. 474 00:23:04,992 --> 00:23:06,559 I don't know how to do it." 475 00:23:06,602 --> 00:23:09,518 Down to the way he wanted his pancakes made, 476 00:23:09,562 --> 00:23:11,128 with the crispy edges. 477 00:23:11,172 --> 00:23:14,393 If they weren't crisp enough, uh... 478 00:23:14,436 --> 00:23:16,003 "You made it wrong." 479 00:23:16,046 --> 00:23:18,962 It would be the smallest things that you think 480 00:23:19,006 --> 00:23:22,575 would not make the average person feel inadequate. 481 00:23:22,618 --> 00:23:24,968 But you hear it enough, and you start thinking, 482 00:23:25,012 --> 00:23:27,667 "Okay, so, I'm not smart enough. I don't make the pancakes right. 483 00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:29,103 The milk was too cold." 484 00:23:29,146 --> 00:23:31,148 Then one time I make the milk too cold. 485 00:23:31,192 --> 00:23:32,672 [stammers] "It shouldn't have been this cold..." 486 00:23:32,715 --> 00:23:34,108 So you're just always on eggshells. 487 00:23:39,156 --> 00:23:41,594 BRUCE: After the marriage, though, 488 00:23:41,637 --> 00:23:43,291 she got real quiet. 489 00:23:43,334 --> 00:23:44,945 She was really quiet. 490 00:23:44,988 --> 00:23:49,776 And I think that was how Robert wanted it, you know. 491 00:23:51,778 --> 00:23:53,693 NORCOTT: Girls and women are relational in nature, 492 00:23:53,736 --> 00:23:55,956 which means that they develop and they thrive 493 00:23:55,999 --> 00:23:58,088 in connection with other people. 494 00:23:58,132 --> 00:24:00,961 If an individual wants to come in and be that most important 495 00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:03,746 relationship in her life, 496 00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:06,445 then slowly, over time, he can use that position 497 00:24:06,488 --> 00:24:08,795 to guide her behavior. 498 00:24:08,838 --> 00:24:10,449 So you'll start not doing things 499 00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:12,929 because "I don't want to irritate him. 500 00:24:12,973 --> 00:24:14,627 This is a really important relationship." 501 00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:18,326 It's a slow process of isolation, 502 00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:22,678 of tailoring this person to what you want her to be 503 00:24:22,722 --> 00:24:26,203 and how you want her to act. 504 00:24:26,247 --> 00:24:28,510 You don't even believe in your own sense of judgment 505 00:24:28,554 --> 00:24:30,251 after a while. 506 00:24:30,294 --> 00:24:32,166 And you're trying to figure out: 507 00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:35,082 how do I get him back to the good space? 508 00:24:35,125 --> 00:24:36,953 Okay, I'll take responsibility for-- 509 00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:39,782 I'll just say it's my fault. I'll say yes to whatever it is. 510 00:24:39,826 --> 00:24:42,263 I'll apologize, 'cause if I can just get him back 511 00:24:42,306 --> 00:24:45,440 to the good guy, the one that I fell in love with, 512 00:24:45,484 --> 00:24:48,008 then I'm in a good space. 513 00:24:48,051 --> 00:24:52,491 How do I stop it? How do I get you back? 514 00:24:52,534 --> 00:24:56,582 [crying]: How do I get you back to the guy... 515 00:24:56,625 --> 00:24:59,062 that asked me to help him to read? 516 00:25:01,587 --> 00:25:03,589 SPARKLE: When I began working with Robert, 517 00:25:03,632 --> 00:25:08,898 I thought he was a genius. 518 00:25:08,942 --> 00:25:11,901 I definitely considered him as a mentor. 519 00:25:11,945 --> 00:25:15,514 He also became family to me. 520 00:25:15,557 --> 00:25:19,343 But he's-he's a controlling person. Yeah. 521 00:25:19,387 --> 00:25:22,042 JOVANTE: Sparkle has been around from the beginning. 522 00:25:22,085 --> 00:25:23,696 From day one. 523 00:25:23,739 --> 00:25:26,612 She's his original background vocalist. 524 00:25:26,655 --> 00:25:27,961 I don't know if you've ever heard her sing, 525 00:25:28,004 --> 00:25:31,138 but she's got an amazing voice. 526 00:25:31,181 --> 00:25:32,705 The octave range is, like, five. 527 00:25:32,748 --> 00:25:37,057 And she would actually be in the studio for hours. 528 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:40,974 Robert and I spent a great amount of time together. 529 00:25:41,017 --> 00:25:45,065 The process of working on my debut album was crazy. 530 00:25:45,108 --> 00:25:48,024 ♪ All by myself 531 00:25:48,068 --> 00:25:53,552 ♪ Taking little man to church... ♪ 532 00:25:53,595 --> 00:25:56,685 The concept for "Be Careful" came from controlling Robert. 533 00:25:56,729 --> 00:25:58,687 He thought of the concept for the song, 534 00:25:58,731 --> 00:26:01,385 and he wanted it to now be a duet instead of just me singing. 535 00:26:01,429 --> 00:26:03,692 ♪ Two years ago 536 00:26:03,736 --> 00:26:06,956 ♪ Didn't know you had male friends ♪ 537 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,436 ♪ Wait a minute. 538 00:26:08,479 --> 00:26:10,394 He... thought of everything. 539 00:26:10,438 --> 00:26:12,222 He thought of the video. 540 00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:14,181 He thought of the clothing. 541 00:26:14,224 --> 00:26:15,617 He's a visionary, 542 00:26:15,661 --> 00:26:19,447 so he thinks of the steps. 543 00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:23,146 Where do we go now? And how do you want me to walk? 544 00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:24,974 And where do I want to see you and me driving down the street? 545 00:26:25,018 --> 00:26:27,368 And how do I flip my hair? 546 00:26:27,411 --> 00:26:28,543 He has all that down. 547 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,110 So, yeah, that's him. 548 00:26:31,677 --> 00:26:35,681 Robert didn't allow pretty much anyone to speak to me. 549 00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:37,465 I'm just walking around, "Hey, everybody, hey!" 550 00:26:37,508 --> 00:26:39,423 And then I'm just like, 551 00:26:39,467 --> 00:26:43,079 "What's going on? Why aren't these people speaking back?" 552 00:26:43,123 --> 00:26:46,387 Come to find out, they couldn't speak to me. 553 00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:49,869 He wouldn't let them. 554 00:26:49,912 --> 00:26:53,350 That's not me 'cause I'm gonna speak to everybody and anybody 555 00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:55,135 and whoever I want to speak to. 556 00:26:55,178 --> 00:26:57,746 So, when I learned that, 557 00:26:57,790 --> 00:27:00,444 I would go out of my way to speak to people 558 00:27:00,488 --> 00:27:03,404 just to tick him off, because I'm just like, 559 00:27:03,447 --> 00:27:05,406 "Look, you can't tell me what I can 560 00:27:05,449 --> 00:27:07,408 "and cannot do. I'm not that girl. 561 00:27:07,451 --> 00:27:09,453 I'm not that chick. You can't stifle me." 562 00:27:09,497 --> 00:27:12,674 But I didn't know that... 563 00:27:12,718 --> 00:27:14,633 a bomb was coming. 564 00:27:20,943 --> 00:27:22,423 BRUCE: Robert, he loves basketball. 565 00:27:22,466 --> 00:27:25,513 I-I think he think he's, uh, Michael Jordan. 566 00:27:25,556 --> 00:27:28,124 We used to go to Michael's house every weekend. 567 00:27:28,168 --> 00:27:30,300 Play basketball against him and his sons. 568 00:27:30,344 --> 00:27:32,172 He was thrilled about 569 00:27:32,215 --> 00:27:33,521 Space Jamproject. 570 00:27:33,564 --> 00:27:35,741 They actually sent Robert footage 571 00:27:35,784 --> 00:27:40,528 of Mike doing basketball moves slow-- in slow motion. 572 00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:42,443 He used to sit up and watch this footage and say, 573 00:27:42,486 --> 00:27:45,751 "Wow. Look at him. He just soars." 574 00:27:48,231 --> 00:27:50,364 "He just flies." 575 00:27:50,407 --> 00:27:52,235 He just came out with it. 576 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:55,064 ♪ I believe I can touch the sky. ♪ 577 00:27:55,108 --> 00:27:56,500 And just started singing it. 578 00:27:56,544 --> 00:27:59,895 "Hey, that's it, that's it, that's it!" 579 00:27:59,939 --> 00:28:04,334 ♪ I bve I can fly 580 00:28:04,378 --> 00:28:07,424 ♪ I believe I can touch the sky. ♪ 581 00:28:07,468 --> 00:28:11,428 "I Believe I Can Fly" is a powerful song, 582 00:28:11,472 --> 00:28:13,735 and a lot of people have sung it at talent shows, 583 00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:16,738 it's one of those songs that inspired a lot of people. 584 00:28:16,782 --> 00:28:19,349 It was everywhere. Kindergarten graduations... 585 00:28:19,393 --> 00:28:22,483 ♪ I believe I can fly. 586 00:28:22,526 --> 00:28:24,833 LEMIEUX: High school graduations. 587 00:28:24,877 --> 00:28:28,228 SINGER: ♪ I believe I can touch the sky. ♪ 588 00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:30,317 -And in churches. -♪ Think about it 589 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:33,320 ♪ Every night and day. 590 00:28:33,363 --> 00:28:35,104 It was just massive. 591 00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:38,804 It was a huge, huge song. 592 00:28:38,847 --> 00:28:42,721 It was a moment of redemption in some people's eyes and ears. 593 00:28:42,764 --> 00:28:44,548 People were amazed 594 00:28:44,592 --> 00:28:47,769 that this guy who was very pornographic in other contexts 595 00:28:47,813 --> 00:28:50,772 could walk in and do something spiritual. 596 00:28:50,816 --> 00:28:51,817 Religious. 597 00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:53,122 It was genius. 598 00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:55,646 LEMIEUX: I wonder, considering that 599 00:28:55,690 --> 00:28:58,040 the most famous thing that R. Kelly has ever done 600 00:28:58,084 --> 00:29:00,086 was "I Believe I Can Fly," 601 00:29:00,129 --> 00:29:03,959 did that, on some level, make people feel comfortable with him 602 00:29:04,003 --> 00:29:06,135 as somebody who was an entertainer for children? 603 00:29:06,179 --> 00:29:08,703 Or somebody who was a good gu? 604 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:11,053 GEORGE: All these pop stars pick their titles, right? 605 00:29:11,097 --> 00:29:13,316 "I'm the Pied Piper of R & B." 606 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,929 The Pied Piper was a, you know, a children's character 607 00:29:16,972 --> 00:29:20,193 who played a flute, I believe, and children would follow him 608 00:29:20,236 --> 00:29:23,283 down the road to whatever he was leading them. 609 00:29:23,326 --> 00:29:26,503 So, he literally pitched a metaphor 610 00:29:26,547 --> 00:29:28,767 for seducing young children with music. 611 00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:30,899 ABDON PALLASCH: If you grew up in Chicago, 612 00:29:30,943 --> 00:29:32,683 y-you've heard about R. Kelly. 613 00:29:32,727 --> 00:29:35,774 My son used to like Space Jam, so I had to watch 614 00:29:35,817 --> 00:29:39,081 "I Believe I Can Fly," the opening to Space Jam, 615 00:29:39,125 --> 00:29:41,954 about a hundred times when my son was two years old. 616 00:29:41,997 --> 00:29:46,915 Everything he put out at this point now was just a hit. 617 00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:49,178 And not just on the R & B charts. 618 00:29:49,222 --> 00:29:53,008 Like, he was now a bona fide pop artist. 619 00:29:53,052 --> 00:29:56,272 CRAIG: He won three Grammys that year. 620 00:29:56,316 --> 00:29:58,797 And, boy, did his head blow up big at that point. 621 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,756 Uh, he became untouchable in his mind. 622 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,411 R. Kelly was one of those people hiding in plain sight. 623 00:30:04,454 --> 00:30:08,632 And sometimes we, as a society, are so in denial 624 00:30:08,676 --> 00:30:11,200 of people that we admire, that we don't want to see it. 625 00:30:18,686 --> 00:30:21,602 My name is Lisa Van Allen. 626 00:30:21,645 --> 00:30:23,865 I was 17 years old when I met Rob. 627 00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:25,606 A friend of mine-- 628 00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:27,869 his girlfriend was going to a video shoot. 629 00:30:27,913 --> 00:30:29,958 She was an aspiring singer, 630 00:30:30,002 --> 00:30:32,221 and he didn't want her to go by herself, 631 00:30:32,265 --> 00:30:34,615 so he asked me if I could go with her to the video shoot. 632 00:30:34,658 --> 00:30:38,227 It was for "Home Alone" with him and Keith Murray. 633 00:30:38,271 --> 00:30:41,622 Everyone was dancing, it was pretty upbeat. 634 00:30:41,665 --> 00:30:45,887 At some point, I guess he saw me, and he had his cousin 635 00:30:45,931 --> 00:30:49,151 come over to me and say, "Rob wants to talk to you." 636 00:30:49,195 --> 00:30:51,806 You know, I was kind of surprised 637 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:53,286 when I actually ended up meeting him 638 00:30:53,329 --> 00:30:54,983 'cause I-I just thought I'd be the last one 639 00:30:55,027 --> 00:30:57,203 he would try to talk to because I was probably 640 00:30:57,246 --> 00:30:59,945 the youngest one there. 641 00:30:59,988 --> 00:31:02,338 Rob was sitting near the pool, 642 00:31:02,382 --> 00:31:04,601 and he was being really, really nice, and 643 00:31:04,645 --> 00:31:07,474 he asked me how old I was, and I told him I was 17. 644 00:31:07,517 --> 00:31:11,217 And he asked me, "Will your mother let you come to Chicago?" 645 00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:17,136 I knew he was at least 31, so I thought, 646 00:31:17,179 --> 00:31:20,095 when I said 17, that he'd be like-- you know, like, 647 00:31:20,139 --> 00:31:22,663 that was gonna be the deal breaker. 648 00:31:22,706 --> 00:31:25,579 But, um, it wasn't. 649 00:31:25,622 --> 00:31:27,711 SPARKLE: Young girls are impressionable. 650 00:31:27,755 --> 00:31:29,931 Like, he's R. Kelly. 651 00:31:29,975 --> 00:31:32,194 "Now, look who I get. 652 00:31:32,238 --> 00:31:35,328 Look who is showing me interest." 653 00:31:35,371 --> 00:31:38,679 He's charismatic, funny. 654 00:31:38,722 --> 00:31:41,638 And he's an all-around nice guy. 655 00:31:41,682 --> 00:31:46,208 But Robert is a mass manipulator. 656 00:31:46,252 --> 00:31:48,384 Like, everybody knows it now. 657 00:31:48,428 --> 00:31:50,386 They didn't know it back then. 658 00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:54,173 LISA: I had heard about Rob's reputation, 659 00:31:54,216 --> 00:31:57,306 about him dating Aaliyah, 660 00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:59,265 but I didn't assume that he liked younger girls. 661 00:31:59,308 --> 00:32:01,876 I just thought, at that moment, 662 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,792 I just thought he liked me. 663 00:32:04,835 --> 00:32:09,449 He actually had me go on the bus, his tour bus. 664 00:32:09,492 --> 00:32:13,583 He wanted me to take off the little dressy clothes I had on. 665 00:32:13,627 --> 00:32:17,109 It went into him suggesting 666 00:32:17,152 --> 00:32:21,765 sexual acts like oral and sex. 667 00:32:24,072 --> 00:32:27,162 I felt like I shouldn't have done that so fast, 668 00:32:27,206 --> 00:32:30,339 but at the same time, I didn't want to tell him no, 669 00:32:30,383 --> 00:32:32,080 I guess, because I was young. 670 00:32:32,124 --> 00:32:34,604 [chuckles] Pretty much, and I just didn't want to tell him no. 671 00:32:34,648 --> 00:32:37,216 I thought he might be upset or, you know, not like me 672 00:32:37,259 --> 00:32:39,783 'cause I-I chose not to do it. 673 00:32:39,827 --> 00:32:43,700 I pretty much stayed on the bus in his T-shirt, 674 00:32:43,744 --> 00:32:46,747 and in between scenes, he would come back and forth on the bus 675 00:32:46,790 --> 00:32:50,011 until he finished shooting. 676 00:32:50,055 --> 00:32:52,274 We exchanged phone numbers, and he told me 677 00:32:52,318 --> 00:32:54,581 to go straight to the car and go straight home. 678 00:32:58,367 --> 00:33:01,414 When I first introduced my niece 679 00:33:01,457 --> 00:33:04,852 to Robert, it was at 12 years old. 680 00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:09,291 I asked my sister and my brother-in-law 681 00:33:09,335 --> 00:33:13,208 to bring her down to the studio to meet him. 682 00:33:13,252 --> 00:33:15,819 She was a rapper. 683 00:33:15,863 --> 00:33:18,605 She was a-a-a 684 00:33:18,648 --> 00:33:20,433 dope rapper, too, like, 685 00:33:20,476 --> 00:33:22,000 she was Bow Wow status 686 00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:23,436 when Bow Wow was the [bleep] back then. 687 00:33:23,479 --> 00:33:26,134 She was that status. 688 00:33:26,178 --> 00:33:27,831 I wanted 689 00:33:27,875 --> 00:33:32,706 him to do what he was doing for me for her 690 00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:35,839 because, like, I saw that hunger, I saw that drive. 691 00:33:35,883 --> 00:33:38,581 I saw that... 692 00:33:38,625 --> 00:33:42,759 wanting to be bigger than life, if you will, 693 00:33:42,803 --> 00:33:44,370 'cause she was that, she was totally that. 694 00:33:44,413 --> 00:33:45,501 And he saw it, too. 695 00:33:48,287 --> 00:33:50,506 Initially, my niece 696 00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:52,160 would come down to the studio with me 697 00:33:52,204 --> 00:33:54,032 'cause she wanted to see the ins and outs 698 00:33:54,075 --> 00:33:57,644 of-of how I was working and just be around the vibe of it all. 699 00:34:01,517 --> 00:34:04,259 She would sit on the couch. 700 00:34:04,303 --> 00:34:06,435 I would go in the booth and do my thing 701 00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:07,958 and I wouldn't take my eyes off her. 702 00:34:15,749 --> 00:34:17,925 There were a couple times that I came into the studio 703 00:34:17,968 --> 00:34:20,232 while I was still, um, under Rockland, 704 00:34:20,275 --> 00:34:24,758 that my niece would be in the studio room. 705 00:34:24,801 --> 00:34:28,066 And I would walk in like, "What you doing here?" 706 00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:31,852 "Who's here with you?" 707 00:34:31,895 --> 00:34:34,202 And she's like, "Oh, I got dropped off. 708 00:34:34,246 --> 00:34:35,943 "Robert's having a Christmas party 709 00:34:35,986 --> 00:34:38,424 "or some type of party and there's gonna be a lot of kids, 710 00:34:38,467 --> 00:34:40,600 "so we're all gonna stay, 711 00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:43,733 you know, at his house and, you know, have games and..." 712 00:34:43,777 --> 00:34:45,170 So then I was just like, "Okay." 713 00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:52,873 I was pissed when I saw her 714 00:34:52,916 --> 00:34:54,440 in the studio by herself. 715 00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:57,747 My parents were strict. 716 00:34:57,791 --> 00:35:02,143 We couldn't stay over or be around nobody's house. 717 00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:05,494 We couldn't spend the night at nobody's house if they had boys. 718 00:35:07,931 --> 00:35:11,500 You're just with Robert being supervised? Okay. 719 00:35:11,544 --> 00:35:13,720 I thought I left my niece in good hands. 720 00:35:14,895 --> 00:35:17,376 But think of a grown man 721 00:35:17,419 --> 00:35:19,639 hanging out with young girls. 722 00:35:19,682 --> 00:35:21,771 It just felt like... 723 00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:23,338 I just shouldn't have introduced them. 724 00:35:23,382 --> 00:35:25,558 Something ain't right. 725 00:35:32,565 --> 00:35:35,481 I actually waited about a month before I called him. 726 00:35:35,524 --> 00:35:38,484 He was pretty blunt. "When can you get to Chicago?" 727 00:35:38,527 --> 00:35:42,183 I told my mother the truth 728 00:35:42,227 --> 00:35:46,492 about where I wanted to go and who I was going to see. 729 00:35:46,535 --> 00:35:51,453 I think she knew that she really couldn't keep me from going 730 00:35:51,497 --> 00:35:53,803 because I already had made my mind up that I was going. 731 00:35:57,851 --> 00:36:00,506 It just went from the first visit, 732 00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:02,464 me going back home, 733 00:36:02,508 --> 00:36:04,031 the second visit, 734 00:36:04,074 --> 00:36:06,599 to pretty much where I just didn't end up leaving. 735 00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:07,948 I just would stay. 736 00:36:14,084 --> 00:36:17,566 In the beginning, sex happened at the studio a lot. 737 00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:19,264 In the studio he had bedrooms, 738 00:36:19,307 --> 00:36:22,049 so you didn't really have to go anywhere. 739 00:36:24,747 --> 00:36:28,490 It was pretty exciting for a young girl. 740 00:36:28,534 --> 00:36:33,539 CRAIG: Chicago Trax was a really, really big place. 741 00:36:33,582 --> 00:36:38,892 There's a bedroom in the middle of Studio A, the big room, 742 00:36:38,935 --> 00:36:41,024 where Rob had built a big queen-sized bed, 743 00:36:41,068 --> 00:36:44,463 and, you know, I'm like, "Wow" 744 00:36:44,506 --> 00:36:47,248 I thought that was quite strange. 745 00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,250 LISA: I felt special. 746 00:36:49,294 --> 00:36:51,383 I actually thought that I was his girlfriend. 747 00:36:51,426 --> 00:36:54,560 You know, I was li-living up there at that point. 748 00:36:54,603 --> 00:36:56,257 We were together all the time, you know. 749 00:36:56,301 --> 00:36:58,651 I had no reason to question that we weren't. 750 00:37:02,655 --> 00:37:05,397 Life in the studio, 751 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,356 it was kind of boring for the most part. 752 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,142 You really couldn't have much interaction other than, uh... 753 00:37:12,186 --> 00:37:13,405 Well, I couldn't have much interaction 754 00:37:13,448 --> 00:37:15,276 with anyone other than Robert. 755 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,105 At that time I didn't know what a runner was, 756 00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:21,326 but, um, later on, I realized it was just, you know, 757 00:37:21,369 --> 00:37:24,372 the people that work at the studio, and they pretty much, 758 00:37:24,416 --> 00:37:26,287 pretty much, like, run errands. 759 00:37:26,331 --> 00:37:30,900 My mom would, um, call the studio. 760 00:37:30,944 --> 00:37:32,946 The runners would actually let 761 00:37:32,989 --> 00:37:34,643 Robert know that I had a phone call, 762 00:37:34,687 --> 00:37:37,559 and then he would let them know to, 763 00:37:37,603 --> 00:37:39,648 like, transfer the call to me. 764 00:37:39,692 --> 00:37:41,302 I do know that there were times 765 00:37:41,346 --> 00:37:42,999 where, when she would get through, 766 00:37:43,043 --> 00:37:44,914 and she'd be upset and saying she couldn't contact me 767 00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:47,047 and things like that. 768 00:37:47,090 --> 00:37:49,789 So it very well could've been times where she was calling 769 00:37:49,832 --> 00:37:53,227 and they weren't allowed to put me through. 770 00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:55,229 One time, 771 00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:57,492 one of his friends came to the studio 772 00:37:57,536 --> 00:37:59,929 and he's speaking to everyone, 773 00:37:59,973 --> 00:38:02,976 and just a normal reaction, you speak back. 774 00:38:03,019 --> 00:38:04,847 Um, Rob would get upset 775 00:38:04,891 --> 00:38:06,849 and say, "You're not supposed to speak to them. 776 00:38:06,893 --> 00:38:09,112 "You don't speak to anybody. You just look straight forward. 777 00:38:09,156 --> 00:38:11,114 If they speak to you, you don't say anything." 778 00:38:13,595 --> 00:38:15,467 Pretty early on, 779 00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:18,426 he kind of introduced you to everything that he was into. 780 00:38:20,341 --> 00:38:24,171 It was instructed to call him Daddy during sex, 781 00:38:24,214 --> 00:38:27,435 but it went from that to pretty much all time, he'd be Daddy. 782 00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:32,353 The first time Robert had me do a sexual act 783 00:38:32,397 --> 00:38:35,356 with him and another female, he actually told me 784 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,053 it was going to be his first time 785 00:38:37,097 --> 00:38:38,490 and he wanted to do it with me. 786 00:38:40,796 --> 00:38:43,538 He would say things like, um, 787 00:38:43,582 --> 00:38:46,367 "Well, you know, if you love me, you won't try to change me." 788 00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:48,891 You know, "If you love me, you'll accept me how I am." 789 00:38:48,935 --> 00:38:51,372 You know, "If you love me, you'll do these things for me." 790 00:38:51,416 --> 00:38:53,679 So those would be the little pep talks he would give me. 791 00:38:53,722 --> 00:38:56,029 Robert would film 792 00:38:56,072 --> 00:38:59,293 our sex acts sometimes. 793 00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:02,427 He would never ask me if, um, it was okay to be filmed, 794 00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:04,298 but he never hid the camera 795 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:05,821 or anything like that. 796 00:39:05,865 --> 00:39:09,434 Once we did the threesome, it became more frequent. 797 00:39:09,477 --> 00:39:12,654 Then he started introducing me to other young women. 798 00:39:17,442 --> 00:39:19,574 The time that sticks out the most in my head. 799 00:39:19,618 --> 00:39:21,228 We had went to 800 00:39:21,271 --> 00:39:24,057 an awards show, and I had a great day. 801 00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:26,407 He had, had me buy this pretty gown. 802 00:39:26,451 --> 00:39:30,324 It was just me and him. It made me feel special. 803 00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:31,543 When we got back to the house... 804 00:39:33,893 --> 00:39:36,112 ...this young girl was there, and, um, 805 00:39:36,156 --> 00:39:38,419 he called her down. 806 00:39:38,463 --> 00:39:41,509 He told me that she was 16 and she was a neighbor. 807 00:39:41,553 --> 00:39:43,946 The way he had put it was kind of like, 808 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:45,600 he was trying something different. 809 00:39:45,644 --> 00:39:47,994 You know, like, new, you know, with including her. 810 00:39:48,037 --> 00:39:51,432 We all went into the, uh, gym, 811 00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:53,913 and he had the Space Jamstuff all on the wall. 812 00:39:53,956 --> 00:39:57,438 And he pulled a-a futon mattress out of one of the rooms. 813 00:39:57,482 --> 00:39:58,787 And he brought it out there 814 00:39:58,831 --> 00:40:00,528 and laid it out. 815 00:40:03,052 --> 00:40:05,185 He pulled out his camera and his tripod, 816 00:40:05,228 --> 00:40:06,795 and, uh, I started crying 817 00:40:06,839 --> 00:40:08,536 when we started, uh, to have sex. 818 00:40:14,629 --> 00:40:16,457 I didn't want to do it, 819 00:40:16,501 --> 00:40:17,937 and, uh, he got upset. 820 00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:20,374 And he was like, um, "What am I gonna do with this?" 821 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:22,594 He's like, "I can't watch this with you on here crying." 822 00:40:22,637 --> 00:40:24,291 He didn't care that I was crying; 823 00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:27,512 he was upset because he couldn't watch it because I was crying. 824 00:40:27,555 --> 00:40:30,645 He's, uh, coaching us through the whole thing. 825 00:40:30,689 --> 00:40:33,213 He's telling me, "Lee-lee, lay down." 826 00:40:33,256 --> 00:40:37,260 He's having us perform oral on each other. 827 00:40:37,304 --> 00:40:41,613 He starts to have, uh, intercourse with both of us. 828 00:40:41,656 --> 00:40:44,964 She seemed to be, like, know how things went 829 00:40:45,007 --> 00:40:47,053 without him really telling her much of anything. 830 00:40:47,096 --> 00:40:49,838 He was more instructing me, you know. 831 00:40:49,882 --> 00:40:51,884 And, um, I kind of felt like 832 00:40:51,927 --> 00:40:53,668 they've been there before, doing this. 833 00:40:53,712 --> 00:40:57,106 And once, um, everything's done, 834 00:40:57,150 --> 00:41:01,067 uh, she gets up and goes into the bathroom 835 00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:04,723 and, uh, she stays there until we're gone. 836 00:41:04,766 --> 00:41:08,074 But that wasn't the only place 837 00:41:08,117 --> 00:41:10,946 that we had sex with the young girl. 838 00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:12,644 We did also in one of his trailers 839 00:41:12,687 --> 00:41:14,428 for one of his video shoots. 840 00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:17,910 The other time was in the Colorado room, 841 00:41:17,953 --> 00:41:21,827 which is the wood room in the basement. 842 00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:24,177 He did tape us there as well. 843 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,798 LISA: It took a while for me 844 00:41:36,842 --> 00:41:38,234 to get to that point where I really realized, 845 00:41:38,278 --> 00:41:41,150 it wasn't just me that was young that he liked. 846 00:41:41,194 --> 00:41:44,545 It wasn't a mistake with Aaliyah. 847 00:41:44,589 --> 00:41:45,894 It took a while for me 848 00:41:45,938 --> 00:41:48,593 to just really think to myself and figure out, 849 00:41:48,636 --> 00:41:51,421 "You know what? This man really has a problem." 850 00:41:51,465 --> 00:41:54,773 Like, it's bigger than me and Aaliyah. It's a problem. 851 00:41:54,816 --> 00:41:57,253 POWERS: There are two ways that an artist 852 00:41:57,297 --> 00:41:59,386 can hide in plain sight. 853 00:41:59,429 --> 00:42:01,475 One is to veil 854 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:05,218 your bad behavior 855 00:42:05,261 --> 00:42:08,003 in good works, good music. 856 00:42:08,047 --> 00:42:12,138 Music that is uplifting and transcendent. 857 00:42:12,181 --> 00:42:14,444 These are the artists who, when we hear that they, 858 00:42:14,488 --> 00:42:16,011 uh, say, were involved in 859 00:42:16,055 --> 00:42:18,100 domestic violence, for example, 860 00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:20,494 or, uh, predatory behavior, 861 00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:22,148 we're horrified, we can't believe it. 862 00:42:22,191 --> 00:42:24,890 R. Kelly did a little of that 863 00:42:24,933 --> 00:42:26,761 with, uh, his inspirational songs and his 864 00:42:26,805 --> 00:42:29,764 kind of gospel side. 865 00:42:29,808 --> 00:42:32,985 The other way to hide in plain sight 866 00:42:33,028 --> 00:42:36,641 is to create outrageous art. 867 00:42:36,684 --> 00:42:40,949 Art in which you are embodying the very stereotype, 868 00:42:40,993 --> 00:42:42,864 uh, that your private life 869 00:42:42,908 --> 00:42:45,867 seems to fulfill. 870 00:42:45,911 --> 00:42:48,478 R. Kelly did this 871 00:42:48,522 --> 00:42:51,917 with extremely obscene songs 872 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,789 about explicit sex acts 873 00:42:54,833 --> 00:42:58,880 that also used humor and outrageous metaphors. 874 00:42:58,924 --> 00:43:01,927 R. Kelly also did this in his performances, 875 00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:04,364 which were increasingly pornographic. 876 00:43:04,407 --> 00:43:07,454 -[crowd cheers] -[R. Kelly singing] 877 00:43:07,497 --> 00:43:12,154 So R. Kelly created and occupied 878 00:43:12,198 --> 00:43:13,939 a position of outrageousness 879 00:43:13,982 --> 00:43:18,204 that kind of masked everything 880 00:43:18,247 --> 00:43:19,988 that was happening behind the scenes. 881 00:43:20,032 --> 00:43:22,382 LISA: We'd be in the studio, 882 00:43:22,425 --> 00:43:24,558 and he'd have her parents in the studio 883 00:43:24,602 --> 00:43:27,213 and he would actually, um, pretend as if 884 00:43:27,256 --> 00:43:29,737 he cared that she was young. 885 00:43:29,781 --> 00:43:32,653 It surprised me because I knew that he was 886 00:43:32,697 --> 00:43:35,047 having sex with her, but he would put up this front 887 00:43:35,090 --> 00:43:36,744 for her parents. 888 00:43:36,788 --> 00:43:39,399 He knows that he's sleeping with this young girl. 889 00:43:39,442 --> 00:43:41,314 Him and I both were actually 890 00:43:41,357 --> 00:43:43,359 having sex with her. 891 00:43:43,403 --> 00:43:46,667 But I didn't know at the time 892 00:43:46,711 --> 00:43:48,582 that she was actually 14. 893 00:43:50,802 --> 00:43:52,847 I mean, I didn't know that side of him. 894 00:43:52,891 --> 00:43:54,240 You know, lying 895 00:43:54,283 --> 00:43:57,286 to her parents to get them to trust, 896 00:43:57,330 --> 00:43:59,201 uh, him with their child. 897 00:43:59,245 --> 00:44:01,943 Two years later, we were headd 898 00:44:01,987 --> 00:44:04,554 to one of his video shoots, and he actually had 899 00:44:04,598 --> 00:44:06,382 other females that he was cool with 900 00:44:06,426 --> 00:44:08,471 or had a sexual relationship with. 901 00:44:08,515 --> 00:44:11,518 The only time he would want you to communicate with them 902 00:44:11,561 --> 00:44:14,216 would be during the sexual act. Other than that, 903 00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:16,131 you don't speak to each other. 904 00:44:16,175 --> 00:44:19,047 You act like each other don't exist, 905 00:44:19,091 --> 00:44:21,180 but I sparked up a conversation, 906 00:44:21,223 --> 00:44:22,834 even though I wasn't supposed to. 907 00:44:22,877 --> 00:44:24,966 She had said something about getting a car. 908 00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:27,055 And I asked her-- she said when she turns 16 909 00:44:27,099 --> 00:44:29,318 she's gonna get a car. And I was-- I asked her, 910 00:44:29,362 --> 00:44:31,712 "Aren't you already 16? Weren't you already 16?" 911 00:44:31,756 --> 00:44:34,410 And she said, "No, no, I'm 15. 912 00:44:34,454 --> 00:44:36,282 I'm about to be 16." 913 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,722 It rang a bell in my head at that moment. 914 00:44:41,766 --> 00:44:43,202 It made me feel, 915 00:44:43,245 --> 00:44:45,247 like, sick to my stomach. 916 00:44:45,291 --> 00:44:49,121 It made me feel disgusted 917 00:44:49,164 --> 00:44:50,775 'cause all of the sexual encounters 918 00:44:50,818 --> 00:44:53,038 were before I found out she was 14. 919 00:44:54,866 --> 00:44:58,913 [crying]: It still haunts me, you know? 920 00:44:58,957 --> 00:45:03,439 It shouldn't have happened. 921 00:45:03,483 --> 00:45:07,269 I should have never introduced her to him. 922 00:45:07,313 --> 00:45:09,141 Like, how dare you? 923 00:45:11,143 --> 00:45:13,841 How dare you? 924 00:45:28,290 --> 00:45:31,511 One day an anonymous video was dropped off. 925 00:45:31,554 --> 00:45:32,991 Hard-core porn. 926 00:45:33,034 --> 00:45:36,168 This grown man urinating in the mouth of a child. 927 00:45:36,211 --> 00:45:37,691 A lot of people saw that pee tape. 928 00:45:37,735 --> 00:45:39,432 It was circulating in the streets. 929 00:45:39,475 --> 00:45:42,696 To see it visually, it [bleep] me up. 930 00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:44,002 Should've never happened. 931 00:45:44,045 --> 00:45:45,786 That set everything off. 932 00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:47,832 ANDREA: I'm pregnant. 933 00:45:47,875 --> 00:45:50,051 I was under so much stress. They couldn't find his heartbeat. 934 00:45:50,095 --> 00:45:51,444 That's when that day happened. 935 00:45:51,487 --> 00:45:53,141 D.A.: Mr. Kelly has been indicted. 936 00:45:53,185 --> 00:45:54,839 There's been a warrant issued for his arrest. 937 00:45:54,882 --> 00:45:56,971 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS