1 00:00:14,797 --> 00:00:17,974 Initially, I met R. Kelly by going to his trial. 2 00:00:18,018 --> 00:00:21,412 I met him when I was 14, and I was, like, on the fence, 3 00:00:21,456 --> 00:00:23,197 and I wanted to know, like, 4 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:25,677 did he really do what everyone said he did? 5 00:00:25,721 --> 00:00:28,985 Here is a man who is going on trial for having sex 6 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:30,726 with an underage girl, 7 00:00:30,769 --> 00:00:32,902 and yet you had women not supporting the victim, 8 00:00:32,945 --> 00:00:35,687 but supporting the guy who's going on trial. 9 00:00:35,731 --> 00:00:39,126 I screamed at the top of my lungs, 10 00:00:39,169 --> 00:00:41,737 "What is wrong with this person?" 11 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:46,524 His poor decisions have ruined so many lives. 12 00:00:46,568 --> 00:00:48,787 He destroyed my family. 13 00:00:55,490 --> 00:00:57,274 [audience cheering] 14 00:01:15,466 --> 00:01:16,859 LISA: When we first started having sex, 15 00:01:16,902 --> 00:01:18,774 Rob was behind the camera, 16 00:01:18,817 --> 00:01:23,431 and I started popping the tapes in to see what was on them. 17 00:01:23,474 --> 00:01:25,868 But I came across the one with me, him, 18 00:01:25,911 --> 00:01:27,217 and the 14-year-old. 19 00:01:29,001 --> 00:01:30,220 Bootleg copies of the tape start 20 00:01:30,264 --> 00:01:32,570 showing up around the country. 21 00:01:32,614 --> 00:01:34,790 This is the one that makes it 22 00:01:34,833 --> 00:01:37,706 almost impossible for people to pretend 23 00:01:37,749 --> 00:01:40,578 that they did not know that this person 24 00:01:40,622 --> 00:01:42,450 had a thing for little girls. 25 00:01:42,493 --> 00:01:45,931 SPARKLE: Chicago Sun-Times contacted me 26 00:01:45,975 --> 00:01:47,455 to view tapes 27 00:01:47,498 --> 00:01:50,240 that possibly had girls on it 28 00:01:50,284 --> 00:01:52,024 that I may have known. 29 00:01:52,068 --> 00:01:54,592 That was her, my niece, for sure. 30 00:01:54,636 --> 00:01:56,203 And that was him. 31 00:01:56,246 --> 00:01:58,640 NEWS ANCHOR: Police are investigating a video 32 00:01:58,683 --> 00:02:00,598 allegedly showing the R & B singer having sex 33 00:02:00,642 --> 00:02:02,818 with a 14-year-old girl. 34 00:02:02,861 --> 00:02:04,950 POLICE CHIEF: The Chicago Police Department 35 00:02:04,994 --> 00:02:06,561 is currently seeking to arrest Mr. Kelly. 36 00:02:12,001 --> 00:02:14,699 RADIO HOST: Radio stations WTMG, Magic 101.3 37 00:02:14,743 --> 00:02:18,225 and WKZY Lite Rock 106.9 38 00:02:18,268 --> 00:02:21,924 will immediately end all airplay of Kelly's songs. 39 00:02:28,191 --> 00:02:32,761 PALLASCH: R. Kelly is arrested on the Chicago charges. 40 00:02:32,804 --> 00:02:36,591 The charges they filed against him were not 41 00:02:36,634 --> 00:02:39,550 statutory rape charges; they filed 42 00:02:39,594 --> 00:02:41,422 child pornography charges. 43 00:02:41,465 --> 00:02:43,989 It's the same penalties 44 00:02:44,033 --> 00:02:46,905 but is easier to prove if you cannot 45 00:02:46,949 --> 00:02:48,603 pin it down to a specific date. 46 00:02:48,646 --> 00:02:50,518 There was no date on the tape. 47 00:02:50,561 --> 00:02:52,041 JOURNALIST: What about the child porn charges? 48 00:02:52,084 --> 00:02:53,521 Not right now, guys. 49 00:02:53,564 --> 00:02:55,349 -[indistinct shouting] -WOMAN: R. Kelly! 50 00:02:55,392 --> 00:02:56,915 PALLASCH: He ultimately had to face the charges 51 00:02:56,959 --> 00:02:58,134 in a Chicago courtroom. 52 00:03:00,571 --> 00:03:04,358 He pleads not guilty and posts his bail, 53 00:03:04,401 --> 00:03:06,098 and he's released. 54 00:03:09,841 --> 00:03:12,061 After R. Kelly pleads not guilty, 55 00:03:12,104 --> 00:03:16,761 he goes straight to a South Side church, 56 00:03:16,805 --> 00:03:18,241 he goes straight to an event 57 00:03:18,285 --> 00:03:20,983 where he is admired by young children. 58 00:03:21,026 --> 00:03:23,768 Here he is being prosecuted 59 00:03:23,812 --> 00:03:27,294 for allegedly having sex with an underage girl, 60 00:03:27,337 --> 00:03:30,993 and ministers, civil rights leaders in the city of Chicago 61 00:03:31,036 --> 00:03:34,562 wanted to play up the side of him 62 00:03:34,605 --> 00:03:37,304 that did the "I Believe I Can Fly," 63 00:03:37,347 --> 00:03:40,263 and not the side of him with the raunchy lyrics 64 00:03:40,307 --> 00:03:42,526 that kind of went along with possibly having sex 65 00:03:42,570 --> 00:03:44,528 with an underage girl. 66 00:03:44,572 --> 00:03:49,011 And it really speaks to the duplicity of R. Kelly. 67 00:03:50,752 --> 00:03:53,058 KATHY CHANEY: Kelly posted bail, 68 00:03:53,102 --> 00:03:57,280 um, and was allowed to continue to, you know, travel 69 00:03:57,324 --> 00:04:00,805 during the legal fight that he was facing. 70 00:04:00,849 --> 00:04:02,677 There's no surprise that he continued 71 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,244 business as usual every day. 72 00:04:04,287 --> 00:04:06,333 [audience cheering] 73 00:04:14,602 --> 00:04:18,214 [distorted]: I met him back in the early '90s 74 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:22,262 and started doing odd jobs for him. 75 00:04:22,305 --> 00:04:25,569 I was friends with him during the trial and the sex tape. 76 00:04:25,613 --> 00:04:28,268 During that time, I was believing him 77 00:04:28,311 --> 00:04:29,791 when he said it wasn't him. 78 00:04:29,834 --> 00:04:31,271 That was the story. 79 00:04:31,314 --> 00:04:32,794 I believed it wasn't him 80 00:04:32,837 --> 00:04:34,883 because I had never seen the tape. 81 00:04:34,926 --> 00:04:37,929 However, there were some people who were around 82 00:04:37,973 --> 00:04:42,499 who had actually seen the girl, who would later say, you know, 83 00:04:42,543 --> 00:04:44,980 well, she was around and even when the trial 84 00:04:45,023 --> 00:04:48,026 was going on, he would still have her around. 85 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:51,160 But those stories didn't start to come out until later. 86 00:04:51,203 --> 00:04:53,989 You know, people in the, in the camp 87 00:04:54,032 --> 00:04:57,122 would start to talk about it. 88 00:04:57,166 --> 00:04:59,211 About a year later, after R. Kelly was arrested 89 00:04:59,255 --> 00:05:02,911 on the 21 counts, he was, um, arrested again. 90 00:05:02,954 --> 00:05:05,566 He was in Miami and it was on additional porn charges. 91 00:05:09,178 --> 00:05:11,006 POLICE OFFICER: We seized, at that time, camera equipment 92 00:05:11,049 --> 00:05:13,356 and 12 digital photos 93 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,402 which we believe to be child pornography. 94 00:05:15,445 --> 00:05:16,925 OFFICER 2: Do you understand that anything you say 95 00:05:16,968 --> 00:05:20,232 can and may be used against you? 96 00:05:20,276 --> 00:05:22,191 SPARKLE: I remember being at my brother 97 00:05:22,234 --> 00:05:23,801 and sister-in-law's house, 98 00:05:23,845 --> 00:05:29,111 and the detectives showing us stills. 99 00:05:29,154 --> 00:05:31,374 It wasn't a pretty sight. 100 00:05:35,117 --> 00:05:37,989 They showed my niece, 101 00:05:38,033 --> 00:05:42,820 Robert, and another young lady... 102 00:05:42,864 --> 00:05:44,953 intertwined. 103 00:05:44,996 --> 00:05:48,739 And I screamed at the top of my lungs, 104 00:05:48,783 --> 00:05:50,959 "What the [bleep] is going on? What is going on? 105 00:05:51,002 --> 00:05:53,091 What is wrong with this person?" 106 00:05:57,748 --> 00:06:00,142 RICHARD DEVINE: Unfortunately, the judge down in Florida 107 00:06:00,185 --> 00:06:02,710 concluded that the police did not have 108 00:06:02,753 --> 00:06:05,800 appropriate reason to search the area where they found 109 00:06:05,843 --> 00:06:10,239 the materials and the camera, uh, so tossed out that evidence. 110 00:06:10,282 --> 00:06:13,590 And then the Florida case eventually was dropped. 111 00:06:16,245 --> 00:06:18,508 In the middle of all of the-these allegations, 112 00:06:18,552 --> 00:06:20,554 R. Kelly is just dropping music. 113 00:06:20,597 --> 00:06:23,905 Big song he released, "Ignition," the remix. 114 00:06:23,948 --> 00:06:26,255 ♪ It's the remix to "Ignition" 115 00:06:26,298 --> 00:06:28,953 ♪ Hot and fresh out the kitchen. ♪ 116 00:06:28,997 --> 00:06:33,088 It deterred us away from all of the allegations, 117 00:06:33,131 --> 00:06:36,439 and our focus then became on this music. 118 00:06:36,483 --> 00:06:38,528 After that video came out... [chuckles] 119 00:06:38,572 --> 00:06:40,051 his career should've been over. 120 00:06:40,095 --> 00:06:41,488 "Oh, he's still gonna put records out, 121 00:06:41,531 --> 00:06:42,706 and people are still gonna buy 'em?" And they did. 122 00:06:42,750 --> 00:06:44,839 NEWS ANCHOR: Kelly has lost nothing 123 00:06:44,882 --> 00:06:47,972 in terms of fan support, in terms of the many thousands 124 00:06:48,016 --> 00:06:51,062 of men and women who continue to support their R & B hero. 125 00:06:51,106 --> 00:06:52,977 [cheering, screaming] 126 00:06:57,895 --> 00:07:00,811 MITCHELL: The albums were still selling 127 00:07:00,855 --> 00:07:03,335 because the community, for all intents and purposes, 128 00:07:03,379 --> 00:07:04,772 were still supporting him. 129 00:07:04,815 --> 00:07:06,817 And then came Chocolate Factory, 130 00:07:06,861 --> 00:07:09,690 which debuted at number one on the Billboardcharts. 131 00:07:12,301 --> 00:07:16,610 R. Kelly drops the most undeniable hit of his career 132 00:07:16,653 --> 00:07:18,438 at exactly the same moment he's on trial 133 00:07:18,481 --> 00:07:23,225 for these unfathomable crimes. 134 00:07:23,268 --> 00:07:25,357 And then he came with "Step in the Name of Love." 135 00:07:25,401 --> 00:07:27,272 ♪ I know 136 00:07:27,316 --> 00:07:32,800 ♪ That it's somebody's birthday tonight. ♪ 137 00:07:32,843 --> 00:07:35,280 When R. Kelly released "Step in the Name of Love," 138 00:07:35,324 --> 00:07:37,848 it's sort of in this tradition of black family music. 139 00:07:37,892 --> 00:07:39,676 We have these songs that become songs 140 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,026 that are anthem-like in the black community. 141 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:45,073 It's the song that you dance to at weddings, a family reunion. 142 00:07:45,116 --> 00:07:48,337 It gave him another layer of-of covering. 143 00:07:48,380 --> 00:07:50,208 That song that they love 144 00:07:50,252 --> 00:07:52,559 is connected to a moment in their life, 145 00:07:52,602 --> 00:07:54,996 whether they got married to one of his songs 146 00:07:55,039 --> 00:07:57,651 or they had their first dance to one of the songs. 147 00:07:57,694 --> 00:07:59,435 I think we love nothing more than the success story, 148 00:07:59,479 --> 00:08:01,132 a rebound story. 149 00:08:01,176 --> 00:08:04,266 I think that, again, largely in the black community, 150 00:08:04,309 --> 00:08:07,138 he was not thought of as guilty, 151 00:08:07,182 --> 00:08:09,750 even though the evidence was there. 152 00:08:09,793 --> 00:08:12,143 "Nobody's gonna stop this train. You can't stop me. 153 00:08:12,187 --> 00:08:14,232 "I'm still out of jail, I'm free as a bird, 154 00:08:14,276 --> 00:08:16,191 "so I'm gonna make this music, I'm gonna get it out, 155 00:08:16,234 --> 00:08:18,759 "and I'm gonna prove that you guys love me so much 156 00:08:18,802 --> 00:08:20,674 "that no matter what I do, 157 00:08:20,717 --> 00:08:22,502 you're still going to praise me." 158 00:08:22,545 --> 00:08:25,417 And that's kind of like what it felt like. 159 00:08:25,461 --> 00:08:30,597 You never really knew what to believe, but you knew that you, 160 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,948 in a way, felt sorry for his wife. 161 00:08:33,991 --> 00:08:35,863 Andrea Kelly's mother called me. 162 00:08:35,906 --> 00:08:39,344 She was concerned about not hearing from her daughter. 163 00:08:39,388 --> 00:08:43,000 That was very dark for her, very rough, 164 00:08:43,044 --> 00:08:46,264 not knowing what the outcome could be. 165 00:08:46,308 --> 00:08:49,006 ANDREA: He denied it for the longest time. 166 00:08:49,050 --> 00:08:50,704 Like, "Drea, it's not what you think. 167 00:08:50,747 --> 00:08:54,229 They're lying on me, somebody set me up." 168 00:08:54,272 --> 00:08:57,798 I finally realized it doesn't get better. 169 00:08:57,841 --> 00:08:59,539 It gets worse. 170 00:08:59,582 --> 00:09:02,933 I had small children. 171 00:09:02,977 --> 00:09:06,284 They were already dealing with their father in the news, 172 00:09:06,328 --> 00:09:10,245 having a court case that deals with pedophilia and children. 173 00:09:10,288 --> 00:09:15,337 And I remember going out on the balcony 174 00:09:15,380 --> 00:09:18,383 and climbing up on the ledge. 175 00:09:18,427 --> 00:09:20,864 Like, "God, I can't take another day. 176 00:09:20,908 --> 00:09:23,475 I can't do this anymore." 177 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:27,044 He had taken me to a place 178 00:09:27,088 --> 00:09:29,786 that I was willing to leave my babies. 179 00:09:31,875 --> 00:09:34,661 So I just prayed and asked God for a sign. 180 00:09:34,704 --> 00:09:38,316 And something said to get my laptop, and I went 181 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,624 to the National Domestic Violence Awareness Hotline. 182 00:09:41,668 --> 00:09:45,759 And there's 17 questions. 183 00:09:45,802 --> 00:09:49,066 There was only two things on that list 184 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:52,243 that Robert hadn't done to me. 185 00:09:55,812 --> 00:09:59,337 And that's when it became real to me, like... 186 00:09:59,381 --> 00:10:02,819 "Drea, you're being abused." 187 00:10:05,169 --> 00:10:07,215 DR. JODY ADEWALE: We often look at women 188 00:10:07,258 --> 00:10:09,217 and we blame them. We say, "All you have to do is leave. 189 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:10,653 All you have to do is-is walk out." 190 00:10:10,697 --> 00:10:12,437 But it's not that simple. 191 00:10:12,481 --> 00:10:15,266 There are psychological blocks that an individual has 192 00:10:15,310 --> 00:10:18,487 that have been fed throughout the whole situation 193 00:10:18,530 --> 00:10:20,184 that stops them from leaving. 194 00:10:20,228 --> 00:10:23,231 It takes about seven tries for a girl 195 00:10:23,274 --> 00:10:25,973 to successfully leave her abuser for good. 196 00:10:26,016 --> 00:10:29,106 That statistic tells us how difficult it is, often, 197 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:31,065 to pull away from these relationships. 198 00:10:35,417 --> 00:10:37,506 ANDREA: The day 199 00:10:37,549 --> 00:10:40,596 that I left Robert... 200 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,904 I was like any other woman. 201 00:10:43,947 --> 00:10:47,690 Running in the middle of the night. 202 00:10:47,734 --> 00:10:50,650 $2,500, a duffle bag, 203 00:10:50,693 --> 00:10:55,045 my three babies, and nothing else. 204 00:10:55,089 --> 00:10:58,135 He has all the money. "Where you going 205 00:10:58,179 --> 00:11:00,529 with three babies?" 206 00:11:00,572 --> 00:11:04,228 No money. 207 00:11:04,272 --> 00:11:06,927 But I would rather die, 208 00:11:06,970 --> 00:11:11,845 knowing that I tried to get away from him, 209 00:11:11,888 --> 00:11:14,543 than to die right there in the house 210 00:11:14,586 --> 00:11:19,156 because I didn't have the courage to leave. 211 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,073 Robert, you know what you did. 212 00:11:24,901 --> 00:11:28,078 You know the turmoil you brought into my kids' life. 213 00:11:28,122 --> 00:11:33,823 You destroyed Christmases, birthdays, graduations. 214 00:11:33,867 --> 00:11:37,740 It's because of you, Robert, that my children were told 215 00:11:37,784 --> 00:11:39,786 they can't sit at the lunch table. 216 00:11:39,829 --> 00:11:42,876 "'Cause your daddy rapes little girls." 217 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:45,966 You can deny all you want to. 218 00:11:46,009 --> 00:11:49,447 And for that, you can go to hell. 219 00:12:00,328 --> 00:12:02,722 [audience cheering] 220 00:12:05,812 --> 00:12:07,770 GEORGE: At the time that tape came out, 221 00:12:07,814 --> 00:12:11,252 R. Kelly was the biggest artist in R & B 222 00:12:11,295 --> 00:12:13,384 and arguably one of the biggest artists 223 00:12:13,428 --> 00:12:14,516 in the recording industry at that time, 224 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,952 in terms of actual record sales. 225 00:12:15,996 --> 00:12:18,868 I can't remember any 226 00:12:18,912 --> 00:12:21,653 artists speaking out against Robert, 227 00:12:21,697 --> 00:12:23,917 regarding this tape. 228 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,617 It made me feel like I didn't want 229 00:12:28,660 --> 00:12:32,403 to be a part of this industry that 230 00:12:32,447 --> 00:12:35,885 I had grown to love. 231 00:12:35,929 --> 00:12:38,758 WENDY WILLIAMS: This is an industry where anything goes. 232 00:12:38,801 --> 00:12:42,196 And... before you know it, 233 00:12:42,239 --> 00:12:43,588 you are all sucked in. 234 00:12:43,632 --> 00:12:48,332 At what cost? At what cost? 235 00:12:48,376 --> 00:12:50,682 It would have been a difficult decision, right? 236 00:12:50,726 --> 00:12:52,641 When we go... [chuckles] when we go to the chairman 237 00:12:52,684 --> 00:12:54,817 and say, "Should we keep R. Kelly?" 238 00:12:54,861 --> 00:12:57,733 And he's like, "Well, how much is he generating?" 239 00:12:57,777 --> 00:12:59,604 And he's like, "Well, yeah, but, you know, 240 00:12:59,648 --> 00:13:02,433 he-he might've statutorily raped a couple... girls," 241 00:13:02,477 --> 00:13:03,826 and like... 242 00:13:03,870 --> 00:13:05,567 "Yeah, but how much is he generating?" 243 00:13:07,699 --> 00:13:10,659 GEORGE: So there's a whole world of people, 244 00:13:10,702 --> 00:13:13,401 people close to him, people in the industry, 245 00:13:13,444 --> 00:13:16,447 who he is a-- he's a font of money. 246 00:13:16,491 --> 00:13:18,493 Getting him on your radio station means ratings, 247 00:13:18,536 --> 00:13:20,538 getting him in your concert venue means money, 248 00:13:20,582 --> 00:13:23,411 and because the thing dragged on 249 00:13:23,454 --> 00:13:25,021 some insane amount of time, 250 00:13:25,065 --> 00:13:26,936 it gave him breathing room 251 00:13:26,980 --> 00:13:28,938 to rebuild a lot of those relationships. 252 00:13:28,982 --> 00:13:32,376 And so then he does this weird "Trapped in the Closet" stuff. 253 00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:34,378 ♪ He opens the door 254 00:13:34,422 --> 00:13:36,990 ♪ I can't believe it's a man 255 00:13:37,033 --> 00:13:39,819 ♪ Man, man, man. 256 00:13:39,862 --> 00:13:41,951 If he hadn't done "Trapped in the Closet," 257 00:13:41,995 --> 00:13:44,562 I think his career would've been really in trouble a lot earlier. 258 00:13:44,606 --> 00:13:47,478 Like a lot of his music, it's very much telling on himself. 259 00:13:47,522 --> 00:13:49,480 It's a whole thing about a man 260 00:13:49,524 --> 00:13:51,787 and-and different people trying to deal 261 00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:53,876 with whoever they really are 262 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,663 and being constantly surprised at-at how debased they are 263 00:13:58,707 --> 00:14:00,665 and how debased the world is around them. 264 00:14:00,709 --> 00:14:02,363 POWERS: I think, at some point, he probably 265 00:14:02,406 --> 00:14:05,801 figured out that playing sex for laughs was 266 00:14:05,845 --> 00:14:08,412 a way that he could continue 267 00:14:08,456 --> 00:14:10,675 to avoid absolute condemnation 268 00:14:10,719 --> 00:14:13,200 for what he might've been doing behind the scenes. 269 00:14:13,243 --> 00:14:17,421 LEMIEUX: He wasn't as much a guilty pleasure, I think, 270 00:14:17,465 --> 00:14:18,901 for audiences at this point, 271 00:14:18,945 --> 00:14:22,122 as he was like a bad boy, like an antihero. 272 00:14:22,165 --> 00:14:23,645 You know, like, y-you know that he's bad, 273 00:14:23,688 --> 00:14:25,429 you know that he's dirty. 274 00:14:25,473 --> 00:14:29,390 The accusations are now a part of pop culture as much as he is. 275 00:14:29,433 --> 00:14:32,219 We, at this point, have seen Dave Chappelle's 276 00:14:32,262 --> 00:14:35,178 -"Pee On You" sketch. -♪ I want to piss on you 277 00:14:35,222 --> 00:14:36,788 -[audience laughs] -♪ Yes, I do 278 00:14:36,832 --> 00:14:40,618 ♪ I'll piss on you, I'll pee on you. ♪ 279 00:14:40,662 --> 00:14:42,794 We've seen the "Trial of R. Kelly" episode on The Boondocks. 280 00:14:42,838 --> 00:14:44,579 Uh, you there, urban youth, 281 00:14:44,622 --> 00:14:46,929 why do you think R. Kelly is innocent? 282 00:14:46,973 --> 00:14:50,367 If I started peeing on you right now, would you: 283 00:14:50,411 --> 00:14:55,111 A] smile and ask for more, or B] move the hell out the way? 284 00:14:55,155 --> 00:14:57,461 We associate him with urinating on somebody. 285 00:14:57,505 --> 00:14:58,810 That's a punch line. That's a joke. 286 00:15:04,773 --> 00:15:07,210 PALLASCH: As the years go by, 287 00:15:07,254 --> 00:15:11,388 there's never any trial date set for the Chicago charges, 288 00:15:11,432 --> 00:15:14,739 and we're wondering, what is taking so long? 289 00:15:14,783 --> 00:15:17,264 This has never happened. No one can think of a case 290 00:15:17,307 --> 00:15:20,180 that has gone on for year after year after year like this. 291 00:15:20,223 --> 00:15:24,184 It's in R. Kelly's interest to have this delayed 292 00:15:24,227 --> 00:15:26,055 as long as possible. 293 00:15:26,099 --> 00:15:27,622 You'd much rather have 294 00:15:27,665 --> 00:15:29,798 a 21-year-old girl on the stad 295 00:15:29,841 --> 00:15:32,366 than a 14-year-old girl on the stand. 296 00:15:32,409 --> 00:15:35,195 The right to a speedy trial under the U.S. Constitution 297 00:15:35,238 --> 00:15:37,893 is-is-is sort of a right guaranteed to the defendant. 298 00:15:37,937 --> 00:15:41,723 So if the defendant thinks that things 299 00:15:41,766 --> 00:15:44,465 are dragging on too long, the defendant can say, 300 00:15:44,508 --> 00:15:46,380 "Hey, I have a right to a speedy trial. 301 00:15:46,423 --> 00:15:48,991 We have to go to trial in the next 60 days, whatever." 302 00:15:49,035 --> 00:15:52,081 R. Kelly never took advantage of that. 303 00:15:52,125 --> 00:15:56,085 Rob's team put it off for all those years 304 00:15:56,129 --> 00:15:58,740 because if it wasn't fresh in people's mind, 305 00:15:58,783 --> 00:16:00,785 uh, you know, they wouldn't really be concerned 306 00:16:00,829 --> 00:16:02,178 with what was going on. 307 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:11,622 REPORTER: The long-delayed child pornography trial begins. 308 00:16:11,666 --> 00:16:14,277 Kelly is accused of videotaping himself having sex 309 00:16:14,321 --> 00:16:16,018 with an underage girl some time 310 00:16:16,062 --> 00:16:19,326 between January 1998 and November 2000. 311 00:16:19,369 --> 00:16:22,503 Kelly's defense team contends it is not Kelly on the tape. 312 00:16:22,546 --> 00:16:24,853 I just want to say, y'all need to leave him alone. 313 00:16:24,896 --> 00:16:26,289 That's not R. Kelly. 314 00:16:26,333 --> 00:16:28,030 One of the things 315 00:16:28,074 --> 00:16:30,337 that was laughable, uh, 316 00:16:30,380 --> 00:16:32,121 with Robert trying to profess his innocence, 317 00:16:32,165 --> 00:16:34,602 was that that was his brother Carey on the tape. 318 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:41,087 He definitely does not look like Robert. 319 00:16:41,130 --> 00:16:42,653 You can tell them apart. 320 00:16:42,697 --> 00:16:44,873 That was laughable to me because I'm like, 321 00:16:44,916 --> 00:16:47,702 "Really? You-You're gonna throw your brother there now?" 322 00:16:47,745 --> 00:16:50,009 It seemed sort of like a Hail Mary pass to try and say 323 00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:51,445 it could be his brother there on the tape. 324 00:16:54,839 --> 00:16:56,711 CAREY: He never said it out of his mouth, 325 00:16:56,754 --> 00:17:01,063 but his legal team did, so I had to speak out 326 00:17:01,107 --> 00:17:03,587 to defend myself, my character, 327 00:17:03,631 --> 00:17:06,416 you know, um, 328 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:08,592 and so I did. 329 00:17:08,636 --> 00:17:11,204 WILLIAMS: If you're just turning on your radio, 330 00:17:11,247 --> 00:17:14,163 we're talking to Carey Kelly, R. Kelly's younger brother. 331 00:17:14,207 --> 00:17:16,383 You did a body double 332 00:17:16,426 --> 00:17:19,473 for your big brother Robert in "Your Body's Callin'" 333 00:17:19,516 --> 00:17:21,518 and things kind of turned, 334 00:17:21,562 --> 00:17:22,954 I mean, a little ugly 335 00:17:22,998 --> 00:17:24,304 when this whole child molestation thing 336 00:17:24,347 --> 00:17:25,914 -came into play. -CAREY: Mm-hmm. 337 00:17:25,957 --> 00:17:27,698 WILLIAMS: People were trying to say it was you. 338 00:17:27,742 --> 00:17:30,179 CAREY: His attorney said that it was me in the videotape. 339 00:17:30,223 --> 00:17:31,876 -WILLIAMS: What? -CAREY: That was made-- that was their argument. 340 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,530 He never came forth and said, 341 00:17:33,574 --> 00:17:35,097 "Hey, you know, what y'all hearing is not true." 342 00:17:35,141 --> 00:17:36,751 WILLIAMS: "I am not a child molester, 343 00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:38,318 but it definitely wasn't my brother in that video." 344 00:17:38,361 --> 00:17:39,971 CAREY: Exactly. Exactly. 345 00:17:40,015 --> 00:17:42,061 And when my kids started getting teased at school. 346 00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:43,192 I have a 15-year-old daughter... 347 00:17:43,236 --> 00:17:44,541 WILLIAMS: Oh, God. 348 00:17:44,585 --> 00:17:45,977 ...that got stomped by 15 girls. 349 00:17:46,021 --> 00:17:47,675 I made police reports, the whole nine. 350 00:17:47,718 --> 00:17:50,243 She was just defending her father. That's it. 351 00:17:50,286 --> 00:17:52,375 WILLIAMS: So tell me what you saw on this tape 352 00:17:52,419 --> 00:17:54,508 with these 12-year-old girls. Why do we say that they're 12? 353 00:17:54,551 --> 00:17:55,900 CAREY: Well, because he's, like, 354 00:17:55,944 --> 00:17:57,250 he was interviewing them on these tapes. 355 00:17:57,293 --> 00:17:58,903 WILLIAMS: So, the girls were on there 356 00:17:58,947 --> 00:18:00,470 being interviewed by him, and he-- they're saying 357 00:18:00,514 --> 00:18:02,516 their real names and that they're 12 years old. 358 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,518 -You see the sex and all like that. -CAREY: Right. 359 00:18:04,561 --> 00:18:06,302 WILLIAMS: You think your brother's gonna do jail time? 360 00:18:06,346 --> 00:18:08,217 Or do you think he's going to get off? 361 00:18:08,261 --> 00:18:10,132 CAREY: Well, my opinion is this: 362 00:18:10,176 --> 00:18:12,265 what's done in the dark shall come to the light, 363 00:18:12,308 --> 00:18:15,355 and everybody on this earth got to pay for what they've done, 364 00:18:15,398 --> 00:18:17,748 -even if he don't do jail time.-WILLIAMS: Wow. 365 00:18:17,792 --> 00:18:19,837 CAREY: He still got to pay for what he done. 366 00:18:19,881 --> 00:18:24,190 So I spoke out and said, "Hey, that's not me. That's not me." 367 00:18:24,233 --> 00:18:26,105 You know, I have nothing to do with that. 368 00:18:26,148 --> 00:18:28,629 I took it further and said other things that... 369 00:18:28,672 --> 00:18:30,718 that I had no knowledge of. 370 00:18:30,761 --> 00:18:34,417 I was just saying things to actually hurt him, to be honest. 371 00:18:34,461 --> 00:18:37,507 I was saying things that I heard other people saying. 372 00:18:37,551 --> 00:18:41,207 He's a pedophile. He-He's, you know, he-he has molested girls. 373 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:43,165 So I was saying that because that's what I heard. 374 00:18:43,209 --> 00:18:44,949 I never saw it. 375 00:18:44,993 --> 00:18:46,125 BRUCE KELLY: Robert simply asked Carey 376 00:18:46,168 --> 00:18:49,563 to tell the truth. 377 00:18:49,606 --> 00:18:52,174 Do a deposition with his attorneys 378 00:18:52,218 --> 00:18:56,047 that the things that he was saying was not true. 379 00:18:56,091 --> 00:18:59,138 And he said, "If you... 380 00:18:59,181 --> 00:19:01,705 "do this deposition with my attorneys, 381 00:19:01,749 --> 00:19:04,882 "I will give you $100,000 382 00:19:04,926 --> 00:19:08,277 and a one-record contract deal." 383 00:19:08,321 --> 00:19:12,325 I'll never understand that as long as I live. 384 00:19:12,368 --> 00:19:14,849 You could've been rich. 385 00:19:14,892 --> 00:19:18,722 I'll never understand that. 386 00:19:31,387 --> 00:19:33,215 CROWD: Free R. Kelly! 387 00:19:36,784 --> 00:19:38,264 [indistinct yelling] 388 00:19:38,307 --> 00:19:40,570 KIM JANSSEN: When the trial began, 389 00:19:40,614 --> 00:19:42,572 this was a big, major event. 390 00:19:42,616 --> 00:19:44,183 So it was a real circus. 391 00:19:44,226 --> 00:19:45,662 There was a lot of journalists there, 392 00:19:45,706 --> 00:19:48,752 probably a good 30, 40 journalists covering the trial. 393 00:19:48,796 --> 00:19:50,711 [overlapping shouting] 394 00:19:50,754 --> 00:19:52,365 I have one question. 395 00:19:52,408 --> 00:19:54,410 Where was the parents when the girl was getting [bleep]? 396 00:19:54,454 --> 00:19:55,759 MITCHELL: Women lined up, 397 00:19:55,803 --> 00:19:57,413 most of them African-American, 398 00:19:57,457 --> 00:20:00,286 they lined up to show support for R. Kelly. 399 00:20:00,329 --> 00:20:04,855 [overlapping shouting] 400 00:20:04,899 --> 00:20:06,553 He's not guilty at all. 401 00:20:06,596 --> 00:20:09,251 They just want to bring him down and kill his image. 402 00:20:09,295 --> 00:20:11,079 Not support for the victims. 403 00:20:11,122 --> 00:20:14,082 Not support for the young girl, whomever she was, on the tape. 404 00:20:14,125 --> 00:20:15,823 And that was shocking to many of us. 405 00:20:15,866 --> 00:20:17,999 [crowd cheering] 406 00:20:18,042 --> 00:20:19,653 CHANEY: There were young girls 407 00:20:19,696 --> 00:20:22,525 who were at the courthouse every single day 408 00:20:22,569 --> 00:20:24,614 for the trial. They were fans, 409 00:20:24,658 --> 00:20:29,271 but... somehow they... 410 00:20:29,315 --> 00:20:31,142 got to talk to him. 411 00:20:38,411 --> 00:20:40,804 JERHONDA: My name is Jerhonda Pace. 412 00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:42,763 I'm from Chicago. 413 00:20:45,766 --> 00:20:48,247 When I started going to Robert's trial, 414 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:52,033 I was 14 years old. I was a freshman in high school. 415 00:20:52,076 --> 00:20:56,646 My mom, she was, like, that working single mom, 416 00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:58,605 so it was very easy for me to, 417 00:20:58,648 --> 00:21:00,607 uh, skip school and go to his trial 418 00:21:00,650 --> 00:21:02,870 and have my mom not even see it 419 00:21:02,913 --> 00:21:04,915 or have a clue that I was doing it. 420 00:21:04,959 --> 00:21:09,311 I went to his trial because I was a superfan at the time. 421 00:21:09,355 --> 00:21:11,922 And the fact that it was a trial that was open to the public, 422 00:21:11,966 --> 00:21:13,924 I was excited to go. 423 00:21:13,968 --> 00:21:17,580 I got the chance to engage in conversations with him. 424 00:21:17,624 --> 00:21:20,017 So I would just say, "Hey, good morning." 425 00:21:20,061 --> 00:21:21,323 He would speak back and I would tell him, 426 00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:22,455 you know, keep his head up. 427 00:21:22,498 --> 00:21:23,673 The same thing that I would say 428 00:21:23,717 --> 00:21:25,327 outside of the courthouse, 429 00:21:25,371 --> 00:21:28,809 and he would always thank me for my support. 430 00:21:28,852 --> 00:21:33,770 His eyes were always fixated on the young girls. 431 00:21:33,814 --> 00:21:36,599 So he would look and he would do, like, a smile 432 00:21:36,643 --> 00:21:39,559 and a nod, like, "Oh, okay, I see you." 433 00:21:39,602 --> 00:21:41,735 And it just made us, you know, 434 00:21:41,778 --> 00:21:43,606 wonder more and talk more of, like, 435 00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:48,045 you're on trial for this and you're allowing yourself to be 436 00:21:48,089 --> 00:21:52,354 enamored by young girls. 437 00:21:52,398 --> 00:21:54,661 I mean, it was just... 438 00:21:54,704 --> 00:21:57,359 I would want to say that we were surprised, but we weren't. 439 00:21:57,403 --> 00:21:59,361 It was mind-boggling. 440 00:21:59,405 --> 00:22:03,017 [crowd cheering, shouting] 441 00:22:03,060 --> 00:22:06,847 JOHN NORRIS: A former music protégée of Kelly, Sparkle, 442 00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:08,327 has publicly declared that the girl 443 00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:10,894 on the video is her young niece. 444 00:22:10,938 --> 00:22:13,027 I felt partially responsible 445 00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:16,596 because I introduced my family to him. 446 00:22:16,639 --> 00:22:20,382 And it felt like it happened on my watch. 447 00:22:20,426 --> 00:22:22,166 Robert's legal team was... 448 00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:25,256 basically trying to say that, you know, 449 00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:27,215 I just was out for money 450 00:22:27,258 --> 00:22:30,305 and, um, I was bitter. 451 00:22:30,349 --> 00:22:34,265 They offered me upwards... six figures, 452 00:22:34,309 --> 00:22:37,921 high in the six figures for me and Robert to have a sit-down 453 00:22:37,965 --> 00:22:40,054 with all media around us 454 00:22:40,097 --> 00:22:44,406 to say that "Sparkle and I are okay. 455 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:46,321 We're 'Kum-Bah-Yah.'" 456 00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:49,324 I didn't take the money because I can't be bought. 457 00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:50,804 I'm-a stand up for my family. 458 00:22:53,850 --> 00:22:56,462 JANSSEN: The trial-- there was eight white jurors 459 00:22:56,505 --> 00:22:59,421 and four African-Americans. 460 00:22:59,465 --> 00:23:02,772 The atmosphere in the courtroom was... somber. 461 00:23:02,816 --> 00:23:05,340 We all understood we had to watch the-the film, 462 00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:07,429 that it was the-the central 463 00:23:07,473 --> 00:23:09,910 piece of evidence in this case, but nobody... 464 00:23:09,953 --> 00:23:11,564 nobody wants to watch that. 465 00:23:11,607 --> 00:23:15,132 The prosecution-- their entire case was the tape. 466 00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:18,832 JANSSEN: They turned down the lights 467 00:23:18,875 --> 00:23:21,617 and they put it on, and it was... it's grim. 468 00:23:27,928 --> 00:23:30,060 You're sitting in a room 469 00:23:30,104 --> 00:23:32,933 with 50, 60 people watching child pornography. 470 00:23:35,283 --> 00:23:39,548 She's very obviously, like, a pubescent girl. 471 00:23:39,592 --> 00:23:42,551 It made me feel gross. 472 00:23:42,595 --> 00:23:45,293 During testimony today on the child pornography trial 473 00:23:45,336 --> 00:23:46,599 of singer R. Kelly, 474 00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:48,905 witness after witness identified those 475 00:23:48,949 --> 00:23:53,388 on that now infamous sex tape as the alleged victim and R. Kelly. 476 00:23:53,432 --> 00:23:57,087 So the prosecution had 14 witnesses. 477 00:23:59,307 --> 00:24:01,352 I just remember being terrified 478 00:24:01,396 --> 00:24:03,311 when I was called to the witness stand. 479 00:24:03,354 --> 00:24:06,619 But here's this person who I was great friends with, 480 00:24:06,662 --> 00:24:10,057 who's a great person, and all this is happening to her now. 481 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:14,235 And I was trying to help the case by giving any 482 00:24:14,278 --> 00:24:17,194 specific details that I thought might really, 483 00:24:17,238 --> 00:24:20,459 you know, seal the deal and make sure that he was found guilty. 484 00:24:20,502 --> 00:24:24,245 They played the tape because they wanted it to be 485 00:24:24,288 --> 00:24:25,464 kind of fresh in my memory. 486 00:24:25,507 --> 00:24:27,248 And I remember, 487 00:24:27,291 --> 00:24:30,556 once again, just kind of getting maybe halfway through 488 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,254 the whole tape and just breaking down and crying. 489 00:24:33,297 --> 00:24:35,474 JACQUES CONWAY: I testified in this trial 490 00:24:35,517 --> 00:24:38,607 because I coached her, I knew the parents. 491 00:24:38,651 --> 00:24:41,088 I knew everything about her. I can describe her. 492 00:24:41,131 --> 00:24:42,829 I picked her out as soon as I saw the video. 493 00:24:42,872 --> 00:24:46,528 But when I had a chance to speak with the mother, 494 00:24:46,572 --> 00:24:48,225 she said that's not her daughter. 495 00:24:51,881 --> 00:24:53,753 Her parents denied that this happened. 496 00:24:55,798 --> 00:24:58,105 It could be embarrassment. 497 00:24:58,148 --> 00:24:59,541 There's a lot of variables in that. 498 00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:01,891 To this day I can't put it on one, 499 00:25:01,935 --> 00:25:03,850 but I believe there was a combination of things 500 00:25:03,893 --> 00:25:06,505 that affected how this outcome came about. 501 00:25:09,072 --> 00:25:11,248 LISA: I recognized 502 00:25:11,292 --> 00:25:12,946 the 14-year-old's body 503 00:25:12,989 --> 00:25:16,776 because I had had sex with her and Robert. 504 00:25:16,819 --> 00:25:19,082 So, you know, it was no doubt in my mind 505 00:25:19,126 --> 00:25:20,475 that it was her body. 506 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:24,131 I mean, we'd done oral on each other. 507 00:25:24,174 --> 00:25:26,655 I mean, I touched her breasts, 508 00:25:26,699 --> 00:25:29,702 I, you know, looked at, you know, those parts. 509 00:25:29,745 --> 00:25:31,747 So there was no doubt in my mind that it was her. 510 00:25:34,402 --> 00:25:35,882 SPARKLE: When I came forward, 511 00:25:35,925 --> 00:25:39,102 it was important to me to stand up 512 00:25:39,146 --> 00:25:42,584 and tell the truth during the trial 513 00:25:42,628 --> 00:25:46,762 and be a witness for the prosecution in the trial. 514 00:25:48,459 --> 00:25:50,853 I did have to make eye contact with Robert 515 00:25:50,897 --> 00:25:53,769 because they wanted us to identify him 516 00:25:53,813 --> 00:25:56,424 as the defendant. 517 00:25:56,467 --> 00:25:58,731 I had to sit up a little bit to see him, 518 00:25:58,774 --> 00:26:00,863 because he was slouched down in the chair. 519 00:26:00,907 --> 00:26:02,604 And when I did that, 520 00:26:02,648 --> 00:26:05,346 he looked at me but then put his head down. 521 00:26:05,389 --> 00:26:07,261 And I was like, "Yeah, that's him right there. 522 00:26:07,304 --> 00:26:08,697 That's him." 523 00:26:15,791 --> 00:26:17,793 My oldest brother did get on the stand... 524 00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:24,539 ...and he said 525 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:25,758 that it wasn't her, 526 00:26:25,801 --> 00:26:27,760 it wasn't my niece on the tape. 527 00:26:33,766 --> 00:26:35,463 I don't know 528 00:26:35,506 --> 00:26:37,073 what my family was thinking. 529 00:26:37,117 --> 00:26:42,165 Like I said, we were estranged. 530 00:26:42,209 --> 00:26:46,387 For ten years I didn't speak to my family 531 00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:48,432 because of that [bleep]. 532 00:26:49,738 --> 00:26:51,218 It's crazy. 533 00:26:53,046 --> 00:26:55,178 NORRIS: The case against R. Kelly is complicated 534 00:26:55,222 --> 00:26:57,877 by the fact that there is no accuser. 535 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,749 Like Kelly, the girl alleged to be on the tape says, 536 00:27:00,793 --> 00:27:01,881 "It wasn't me." 537 00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:06,494 GENGLER: Being a mom now, 538 00:27:06,537 --> 00:27:10,759 you can't fathom your child being in that situation. 539 00:27:10,803 --> 00:27:13,936 I would do anything to protect my child 540 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:16,373 and to keep my child safe. 541 00:27:16,417 --> 00:27:20,943 For all I know, she wa-wanted to just live a normal life. 542 00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:26,819 Um... and I felt really torn because, you know, 543 00:27:26,862 --> 00:27:29,256 my faith and my morals told me I needed to come forward, 544 00:27:29,299 --> 00:27:30,823 because what he did was wrong. 545 00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:32,389 And that's all I knew, and I was trying to, 546 00:27:32,433 --> 00:27:36,002 you know, keep him from doing it ever again. 547 00:27:36,045 --> 00:27:38,439 [crowd shouting] 548 00:27:38,482 --> 00:27:40,528 I just want to know why, 549 00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:42,356 at the end of the day, he can sleep at night 550 00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:45,838 knowing that he's affecting these innocent young girls. 551 00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:48,318 Girls that are still trying to figure out themselves, 552 00:27:48,362 --> 00:27:50,103 still trying to figure out relationships... 553 00:27:50,146 --> 00:27:51,974 [crowd shouting indistinctly] 554 00:27:52,018 --> 00:27:53,715 ...and taking full advantage of that. 555 00:27:56,805 --> 00:27:58,067 I will never understand that. 556 00:27:59,939 --> 00:28:01,723 It's sickening. 557 00:28:01,767 --> 00:28:03,682 [crowd shouting indistinctly] 558 00:28:12,603 --> 00:28:14,736 REPORTER: The jury is deliberating 559 00:28:14,780 --> 00:28:17,304 in R. Kelly's child pornography case. 560 00:28:17,347 --> 00:28:19,741 Jurors reportedly met for three and a half hours yesterday 561 00:28:19,785 --> 00:28:21,047 before breaking for the night. 562 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:23,702 This is what we think about him and his music. 563 00:28:23,745 --> 00:28:25,616 R. Kelly is innocent. 564 00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:26,617 HOST: You think the listeners should still 565 00:28:26,661 --> 00:28:28,184 support R. Kelly, 566 00:28:28,228 --> 00:28:29,098 even though we haven't found out whether he's innocent 567 00:28:29,142 --> 00:28:30,665 or guilty as of yet? 568 00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:32,232 CALLER: Well, right. That could be you or me. 569 00:28:32,275 --> 00:28:33,755 REPORTER: It's been six years in the making... 570 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,191 MAN: Over here. 571 00:28:35,235 --> 00:28:37,498 ...and the time has finally come. 572 00:28:37,541 --> 00:28:39,239 DEVINE: At the end of the case, 573 00:28:39,282 --> 00:28:41,763 my belief, in watching closing arguments 574 00:28:41,807 --> 00:28:43,765 and in talking to our trial prosecutors, 575 00:28:43,809 --> 00:28:47,029 was that we had presented a good case. 576 00:28:47,073 --> 00:28:50,511 It had gone in as well as could be expected. 577 00:28:50,554 --> 00:28:52,556 There were issues, and it was up to the jury 578 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:53,906 to decide those issues. 579 00:28:55,472 --> 00:28:58,127 JANSSEN: Before the verdicts came down, 580 00:28:58,171 --> 00:29:01,174 I saw Sam Adam Jr., who was sitting next to R. Kelly, 581 00:29:01,217 --> 00:29:02,218 turn to him and say, 582 00:29:02,262 --> 00:29:03,916 "We did everything we could." 583 00:29:03,959 --> 00:29:07,093 And the mood in the room was very much 584 00:29:07,136 --> 00:29:09,791 that he was about to be a condemned man. 585 00:29:13,316 --> 00:29:14,578 CHANEY: When the verdict came down 586 00:29:14,622 --> 00:29:16,450 for the R. Kelly trial, 587 00:29:16,493 --> 00:29:17,712 we're trying to read the judge's face, 588 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:20,802 and you couldn't read it. 589 00:29:20,846 --> 00:29:22,804 JANSSEN: Everyone in the courtroom thought he was 590 00:29:22,848 --> 00:29:24,066 gonna be found guilty. 591 00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:26,025 CRAIG WILLIAMS: Rob was very scared 592 00:29:26,068 --> 00:29:27,287 of going to jail. 593 00:29:30,856 --> 00:29:32,335 PALLASCH: They announce the verdict. 594 00:29:37,253 --> 00:29:39,212 CHANEY: When they said "not guilty," 595 00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:41,040 every reporter's face was like... 596 00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:44,913 Not guilty? You've got to be kidding me. 597 00:29:44,957 --> 00:29:46,828 PALLASCH: Kelly says, "Thank you, Jesus. 598 00:29:46,872 --> 00:29:47,960 Thank you, Jesus." 599 00:29:48,003 --> 00:29:51,485 Kelly's lawyers are ecstatic. 600 00:29:51,528 --> 00:29:53,226 Uh, they're hugging R. Kelly, who's crying. 601 00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:55,184 They seem to be almost taken by surprise. 602 00:29:55,228 --> 00:29:59,232 I just said one word. Wow. 603 00:29:59,275 --> 00:30:01,669 And that was it. 604 00:30:01,712 --> 00:30:03,410 CRAIG: I don't know if race played a part 605 00:30:03,453 --> 00:30:06,456 in this trial or not, but if it were 606 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,545 white children that were being molested 607 00:30:08,589 --> 00:30:12,288 by a black man in this case, 608 00:30:12,332 --> 00:30:17,119 I'm sure Rob would have gone to jail very swiftly. 609 00:30:17,163 --> 00:30:18,729 REPORTER: When he left home this morning, 610 00:30:18,773 --> 00:30:21,080 R. Kelly had no idea when he'd be back. 611 00:30:21,123 --> 00:30:22,864 His fate was in the hands of jurors 612 00:30:22,908 --> 00:30:25,171 who could have sent him to prison for years. 613 00:30:25,214 --> 00:30:27,913 Instead, tonight they set him free. 614 00:30:27,956 --> 00:30:29,088 PRODUCER: With women that came out 615 00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:30,829 against him and said, 616 00:30:30,872 --> 00:30:32,787 "I was in an underage relationship with him. 617 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:34,484 He did this to me, he did that," what...? 618 00:30:34,528 --> 00:30:37,444 I-I just didn't believe them-- the womans. 619 00:30:37,487 --> 00:30:39,315 I know it sounds ridiculous. 620 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:41,883 The way they dress, the way they act. 621 00:30:41,927 --> 00:30:44,973 I didn't like them. I voted again-- 622 00:30:45,017 --> 00:30:48,890 I disregarded all what they said. 623 00:30:48,934 --> 00:30:51,066 I was happy for the verdict at the time. 624 00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:52,067 I was happy. 625 00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:53,677 BRUCE: I felt 626 00:30:53,721 --> 00:30:57,594 wonderful when he-- they said not guilty. 627 00:30:57,638 --> 00:30:59,509 That's how I felt, wonderful. 628 00:30:59,553 --> 00:31:02,948 SPARKLE: I think that Robert 629 00:31:02,991 --> 00:31:06,908 wasn't convicted because my niece and sister 630 00:31:06,952 --> 00:31:08,518 and brother-in-law didn't come forward. 631 00:31:08,562 --> 00:31:12,479 Regarding criminal cases, if there is no willing participant, 632 00:31:12,522 --> 00:31:15,874 then really there's no case. 633 00:31:17,614 --> 00:31:20,748 I really don't know if my family was paid off. 634 00:31:20,791 --> 00:31:23,925 I know the family was still hanging out with him. 635 00:31:23,969 --> 00:31:25,448 My brother-in-law was still playing guitar 636 00:31:25,492 --> 00:31:28,060 on a lot of his songs. 637 00:31:30,584 --> 00:31:32,629 And that's... 638 00:31:32,673 --> 00:31:34,936 what it is. 639 00:31:37,417 --> 00:31:39,201 TOURE: After R. Kelly got off trial, 640 00:31:39,245 --> 00:31:41,943 there was conversation at BET, like, "We should interview him," 641 00:31:41,987 --> 00:31:43,945 and I was the guy who was gonna do the interview. 642 00:31:47,731 --> 00:31:51,474 We were in a sort of fancy Chicago hotel suite. 643 00:31:51,518 --> 00:31:54,651 He came with this crisis manager. 644 00:31:54,695 --> 00:31:56,392 He was very nervous before we started. 645 00:31:56,436 --> 00:31:58,177 I remember saying hi to him before we started, 646 00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:59,743 and he was kind of, like... 647 00:31:59,787 --> 00:32:01,920 clearly knew, like, this is a big moment. 648 00:32:01,963 --> 00:32:06,663 I asked him, just point blank, "Do you like underage girls?" 649 00:32:06,707 --> 00:32:09,231 And his crisis manager stood up and ran into the shot. 650 00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:11,755 "No! You can't ask him that! You can't ask him that!" 651 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,105 And Kelly said, "No, no. 652 00:32:13,148 --> 00:32:14,584 I want to answer that." 653 00:32:14,628 --> 00:32:16,238 -Let me ask you something. -R. KELLY: Mm-hmm. 654 00:32:16,282 --> 00:32:20,373 Real. That millions of Americans are thinking about. 655 00:32:20,416 --> 00:32:23,985 -Okay. -Do you like teenage girls? 656 00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:28,120 When you say teenage, h-how old are we talking? 657 00:32:28,163 --> 00:32:31,253 Girls who are teenagers. 658 00:32:31,297 --> 00:32:35,388 -19? -19 and younger. 659 00:32:35,431 --> 00:32:38,043 I have some 19-year-old friends, 660 00:32:38,086 --> 00:32:40,219 but I don't like anybody illegal, 661 00:32:40,262 --> 00:32:42,003 if that's what we're talking about, underage. 662 00:32:43,787 --> 00:32:47,574 This is the first easy, obvious, simple softball question. 663 00:32:47,617 --> 00:32:49,445 "Do you like teenage girls?" 664 00:32:49,489 --> 00:32:52,144 You just got off a child pornography trial. 665 00:32:52,187 --> 00:32:54,581 Obviously you're gonna say no, and then we'll move to something 666 00:32:54,624 --> 00:32:57,018 a little harder and then something harder. 667 00:32:57,062 --> 00:32:59,020 And I'm thinking, you know, 668 00:32:59,064 --> 00:33:01,805 don't let him see that he's made a huge mistake. 669 00:33:01,849 --> 00:33:03,503 Like, that he's ju... 670 00:33:03,546 --> 00:33:05,940 'Cause his face and the question seemed like, 671 00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:07,942 "Wow, like, 672 00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:10,640 wow, teenage girls, like, I love this subject." 673 00:33:10,684 --> 00:33:12,860 I assumed that that would get cut out. 674 00:33:12,903 --> 00:33:15,776 And when it finally aired, I was like, 675 00:33:15,819 --> 00:33:17,952 "Oh, my God, they aired it." 676 00:33:21,564 --> 00:33:23,523 I felt sorry 677 00:33:23,566 --> 00:33:27,657 for his wife because now she's embroiled in everything. 678 00:33:27,701 --> 00:33:29,485 She's attached to him legally. 679 00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:31,835 The abuse had gotten so bad with Robert 680 00:33:31,879 --> 00:33:33,663 to the point I left with nothing. 681 00:33:33,707 --> 00:33:36,101 If you look at my order of protection, 682 00:33:36,144 --> 00:33:37,972 in my restraining order, 683 00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:41,410 it was actually the judge that crossed it out and wrote in, 684 00:33:41,454 --> 00:33:45,414 "He is to have no contact with the children." 685 00:33:45,458 --> 00:33:48,722 After the divorce, people are quick to pass judgment 686 00:33:48,765 --> 00:33:50,115 and they have no idea 687 00:33:50,158 --> 00:33:53,335 that, behind the scenes-- 688 00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:55,250 you think I'm living this great life-- 689 00:33:55,294 --> 00:33:58,210 I'm in foreclosure court on my house. Why? 690 00:33:58,253 --> 00:33:59,863 Robert stopped paying child support 691 00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:02,344 as a way to punish me. 692 00:34:02,388 --> 00:34:04,694 So people think that I'm living this great, lavish life, 693 00:34:04,738 --> 00:34:06,435 but they don't understand. 694 00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:08,916 I've got lawyers, going back and forth to court. 695 00:34:08,959 --> 00:34:12,224 I'm trying to get him served with an arrest warrant 696 00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:13,660 because you're not paying child support, 697 00:34:13,703 --> 00:34:15,314 which is criminal by law. 698 00:34:15,357 --> 00:34:18,012 I'm dealing with all of this and people just think, 699 00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:20,797 "Oh, well, you know, she wants to come forward now 700 00:34:20,841 --> 00:34:21,842 because them checks stop..." 701 00:34:21,885 --> 00:34:23,583 The checks been stopped, boo. 702 00:34:23,626 --> 00:34:25,541 The checks have been over for a very long time. 703 00:34:25,585 --> 00:34:26,934 That has nothing to do with it. 704 00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:42,384 I have three small children that I had to think about 705 00:34:42,428 --> 00:34:44,212 before I could come forward. 706 00:34:44,256 --> 00:34:46,171 That's a lot for my children to deal with. 707 00:34:46,214 --> 00:34:49,217 I had to make sure my children were okay 708 00:34:49,261 --> 00:34:50,740 before I could come forward. 709 00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:53,134 I had to make sure, emotionally, 710 00:34:53,178 --> 00:34:55,005 they were where they could handle it. 711 00:34:56,485 --> 00:34:57,791 JERHONDA: I went to his trial 712 00:34:57,834 --> 00:35:00,141 because I was a superfan at the time. 713 00:35:00,185 --> 00:35:01,664 I didn't believe he was guilty, 714 00:35:01,708 --> 00:35:03,362 and I didn't want to believe that he was guilty. 715 00:35:04,928 --> 00:35:08,236 I was a freshman in high school. 716 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,020 He was old for me to like him, 717 00:35:10,064 --> 00:35:11,500 but I fell in love with his music. 718 00:35:13,894 --> 00:35:16,070 After Robert's trial, his friend 719 00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:19,334 sent me a message and invited me to R. Kelly's party. 720 00:35:19,378 --> 00:35:21,858 And in the middle of me texting him back. 721 00:35:21,902 --> 00:35:24,296 Rob-- he actually called my phone. 722 00:35:24,339 --> 00:35:26,211 And he was telling me, he's like, "I remember you." 723 00:35:26,254 --> 00:35:28,038 And I said, "Well, what do you remember me from?" 724 00:35:28,082 --> 00:35:31,694 He said, "You came to my trial. Thank you for your support." 725 00:35:31,738 --> 00:35:33,783 I was shocked. 726 00:35:33,827 --> 00:35:34,958 I felt like I was on top of the world. 727 00:35:37,874 --> 00:35:40,616 Having a music star, 728 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:43,402 like R. Kelly, pay attention to you 729 00:35:43,445 --> 00:35:46,100 would be phenomenal, make you feel very special. 730 00:35:47,319 --> 00:35:50,322 She is a lifelong fan. 731 00:35:50,365 --> 00:35:53,586 Someone who, even though 732 00:35:53,629 --> 00:35:57,111 she's sitting through the trial, looking at the images, 733 00:35:57,155 --> 00:35:59,200 she still doesn't want to believe it 734 00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:03,248 because in her mind-- and she was so young-- 735 00:36:03,291 --> 00:36:08,035 this is the person that spoke to her through music. 736 00:36:08,078 --> 00:36:10,037 He invited me back to his mansion in Olympia Fields, 737 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,561 and he told me to bring a bathing suit. 738 00:36:12,605 --> 00:36:14,694 By this time it was like 739 00:36:14,737 --> 00:36:17,218 a little bit after my 16th birthday. 740 00:36:17,262 --> 00:36:21,222 I did lie about my age and tell him that I was 19. 741 00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:24,007 What we know about teenagers is that their long-term planning, 742 00:36:24,051 --> 00:36:26,096 that part of their brain hasn't developed yet. 743 00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:28,186 They feel the excitement and the rush of things, 744 00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:30,057 but they don't necessarily have the brain capacity 745 00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:32,059 to make the best decisions. 746 00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:35,193 Insert an adult that has nefarious motivations, 747 00:36:35,236 --> 00:36:36,890 and that person 748 00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:40,546 can use all of those things to his advantage. 749 00:36:40,589 --> 00:36:41,764 JERHONDA: He said, "Don't let anybody 750 00:36:41,808 --> 00:36:43,636 know where you're going" 751 00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:46,595 and he said, "And from now on, when you, uh, talk to me, 752 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:47,814 you're gonna call me Daddy." 753 00:36:47,857 --> 00:36:52,297 And I said, "Okay." 754 00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:54,647 And he said, "Okay, what?" 755 00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:55,996 And I said, "Okay, Daddy." 756 00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,041 And then I hung up the phone. 757 00:36:58,085 --> 00:36:59,782 And looking back on it, 758 00:36:59,826 --> 00:37:01,262 I was naive. 759 00:37:11,272 --> 00:37:13,796 ♪ 760 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,059 JERHONDA: When Rob invited me to his house, 761 00:37:16,103 --> 00:37:18,018 I was 16 years old. 762 00:37:18,061 --> 00:37:19,498 I was excited. 763 00:37:19,541 --> 00:37:22,370 I was like, "Oh, my gosh, this is so unreal." 764 00:37:22,414 --> 00:37:25,286 I didn't tell anyone I was going to his house. 765 00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:27,723 It was like a little secret. 766 00:37:27,767 --> 00:37:29,290 He was getting ready for 767 00:37:29,334 --> 00:37:31,640 a pre-listen party for his album Untitled. 768 00:37:33,903 --> 00:37:36,254 We were just talking back and forth. 769 00:37:36,297 --> 00:37:37,907 And he talked about 770 00:37:37,951 --> 00:37:40,040 being molested as well-- he told me he was molested 771 00:37:40,083 --> 00:37:41,737 by a older guy in his neighborhood. 772 00:37:43,913 --> 00:37:45,915 And one of the females 773 00:37:45,959 --> 00:37:49,615 that used to watch him was sexually abusing him as well. 774 00:37:49,658 --> 00:37:51,530 And I felt like we had a connection 775 00:37:51,573 --> 00:37:55,229 'cause I told him I was sexually abused when I was four, 776 00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:58,841 when I was six, and when I was eight years old. 777 00:37:58,885 --> 00:38:00,452 NORCOTT: Women who have histories 778 00:38:00,495 --> 00:38:02,062 of child sexual abuse 779 00:38:02,105 --> 00:38:04,282 are more likely to be victimized as adults. 780 00:38:04,325 --> 00:38:06,980 She could have trouble asserting herself, 781 00:38:07,023 --> 00:38:09,330 um, advocating for herself. 782 00:38:09,374 --> 00:38:13,116 And so, for somebody who is targeting potential victims, 783 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,031 that's gonna be an attractive target for them. 784 00:38:17,338 --> 00:38:20,298 JERHONDA: I felt like, "Wow. So I'm not the only one. 785 00:38:20,341 --> 00:38:22,735 I'm not alone with the whole sexual abuse thing." 786 00:38:22,778 --> 00:38:25,433 And I felt like Rob confided in me, 787 00:38:25,477 --> 00:38:28,131 and I felt like I was confiding in him as well. 788 00:38:32,484 --> 00:38:35,617 When I hear of a perpetrator or someone who's opening up 789 00:38:35,661 --> 00:38:38,881 about their sexual abuse, two things pop up for me. 790 00:38:38,925 --> 00:38:41,710 Number one: the individual is really looking 791 00:38:41,754 --> 00:38:43,495 for someone to talk to about this. 792 00:38:43,538 --> 00:38:48,021 Option two is: "I'm going to use this story as a way 793 00:38:48,064 --> 00:38:51,024 of manipulating and getting people to come closer to me." 794 00:38:51,067 --> 00:38:54,941 Hey, look at my pain, identify with it, feel for me, 795 00:38:54,984 --> 00:38:57,596 allowing me to project my aggressive behavior onto you. 796 00:39:01,643 --> 00:39:02,862 JERHONDA: At Rob's mansion, 797 00:39:02,905 --> 00:39:05,212 he had a jungle-themed pool 798 00:39:05,255 --> 00:39:07,432 and he actually called it "the safari pool." 799 00:39:07,475 --> 00:39:11,740 And it had a nice slide, and the water changed colors-- 800 00:39:11,784 --> 00:39:14,569 it was blue, green, purple. 801 00:39:14,613 --> 00:39:16,266 He told me to go into the bathroom 802 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:17,920 and to change into my swimsuit. 803 00:39:17,964 --> 00:39:20,401 And when I came back out, 804 00:39:20,445 --> 00:39:22,447 I was just waiting by the pool, and when he showed up, 805 00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:25,145 he sat down and he told me to, uh, 806 00:39:25,188 --> 00:39:27,103 get up and start walking for him. 807 00:39:27,147 --> 00:39:28,540 "As if you're modeling." 808 00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:30,368 So, I walk back and forth. 809 00:39:30,411 --> 00:39:32,152 It was back and forth, back and forth. 810 00:39:32,195 --> 00:39:34,894 And he said, "Okay, now, when you walk up, I want you 811 00:39:34,937 --> 00:39:37,418 to remove a piece of your, um, swimsuit." 812 00:39:39,681 --> 00:39:41,683 And I looked at him and I sai, 813 00:39:41,727 --> 00:39:43,729 "You want me to take my swimsuit off?" 814 00:39:43,772 --> 00:39:45,426 He said yes, he told me not to ask questions, 815 00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:46,732 to just do it. 816 00:39:46,775 --> 00:39:49,561 So I said, okay, well, this is R. Kelly 817 00:39:49,604 --> 00:39:51,040 and he told me to take my swimsuit off, 818 00:39:51,084 --> 00:39:52,651 so that's what I'm going to do. 819 00:39:52,694 --> 00:39:54,435 So I walked back and forth 820 00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:56,219 and then I removed my top, and he told me 821 00:39:56,263 --> 00:39:57,569 to remove my bottoms. 822 00:40:00,876 --> 00:40:04,314 And he grabbed me and then we started kissing. 823 00:40:04,358 --> 00:40:06,404 And he started fondling my breasts. 824 00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:09,015 And I stopped him and I said, "I'm a virgin." 825 00:40:09,058 --> 00:40:12,322 And he said, "Well, that's perfect. 826 00:40:12,366 --> 00:40:13,802 "That means I get to train you 827 00:40:13,846 --> 00:40:15,021 and I get to take your virginity." 828 00:40:17,676 --> 00:40:19,112 And that's when he proceeded 829 00:40:19,155 --> 00:40:20,679 to do oral sex on me. 830 00:40:20,722 --> 00:40:23,508 And he told me to do the same thing on him. 831 00:40:23,551 --> 00:40:24,552 Just oral sex. 832 00:40:27,729 --> 00:40:30,863 Right after, Rob asked me my age. 833 00:40:30,906 --> 00:40:32,778 And that's when I didn't tell him my age, 834 00:40:32,821 --> 00:40:34,997 I handed him my ID, and he looked at it, 835 00:40:35,041 --> 00:40:37,217 and that's when-- then I said I'm 16. 836 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:39,437 And he told me, "Okay, what is that supposed to mean?" 837 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,831 He said to "continue telling everybody that you're 19" 838 00:40:42,875 --> 00:40:44,006 and to "act 21." 839 00:40:49,316 --> 00:40:51,057 MISS INFO: After R. Kelly was acquitted, 840 00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:53,494 suddenly there's this blank slate, right? 841 00:40:53,538 --> 00:40:55,801 Which is so delusional for us 842 00:40:55,844 --> 00:40:58,804 to kind of feel like, "Oh, it's all good now." 843 00:40:58,847 --> 00:41:02,111 And it's okay for me as a journalist to say, 844 00:41:02,155 --> 00:41:04,505 "Yeah, I want to go to R. Kelly's house 845 00:41:04,549 --> 00:41:06,115 "and hear him play his new album. 846 00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:07,508 I would love to do that." 847 00:41:07,552 --> 00:41:08,596 And I did that. 848 00:41:10,816 --> 00:41:13,819 And it was like such a bizarre fortress. 849 00:41:13,862 --> 00:41:15,647 Cavernous, like, mazes. 850 00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:17,475 There was an indoor pool. 851 00:41:17,518 --> 00:41:21,522 And then there was this little tiny studio room 852 00:41:21,566 --> 00:41:23,219 where he just sat down at a piano 853 00:41:23,263 --> 00:41:27,180 and sang like an angel. 854 00:41:27,223 --> 00:41:29,704 And then I walk away 855 00:41:29,748 --> 00:41:32,620 and I had to sort of write this and-and be true to myself, 856 00:41:32,664 --> 00:41:35,971 and I, and I basically said that 857 00:41:36,015 --> 00:41:38,931 I have a lot of feelings about R. Kelly. 858 00:41:38,974 --> 00:41:40,933 He was acquitted, so I chose to leave 859 00:41:40,976 --> 00:41:43,936 those feelings at the door. 860 00:41:43,979 --> 00:41:47,113 I was awed by being in front of, like, this incredible talent, 861 00:41:47,156 --> 00:41:48,767 which is unde-undeniable. 862 00:41:48,810 --> 00:41:50,638 And then I, when I walked out of the door, 863 00:41:50,682 --> 00:41:53,293 I picked all of those sort of feelings back up. 864 00:41:53,336 --> 00:41:55,774 And I think that that's what a lot of fans 865 00:41:55,817 --> 00:41:57,297 have been doing for many, many years. 866 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:00,996 JERHONDA: I'm sitting on the bed 867 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,173 and I'm just waiting for Rob. He came in... 868 00:42:04,217 --> 00:42:07,699 and he told me that it was time for him to take my virginity. 869 00:42:07,742 --> 00:42:11,920 We just, um, had sex, you know, me bent over on the couch, 870 00:42:11,964 --> 00:42:13,574 and I told him it was a bit uncomfortable, 871 00:42:13,618 --> 00:42:15,794 but I just went with it. 872 00:42:15,837 --> 00:42:18,753 I was like, okay, whatever. It was, um, painful. 873 00:42:18,797 --> 00:42:21,190 So I'm like, okay, maybe that's the way it's supposed to be. 874 00:42:21,234 --> 00:42:24,585 It wasn't... It wasn't extravagant. 875 00:42:24,629 --> 00:42:26,587 I wasn't like, "Oh, I lost my virginity." 876 00:42:26,631 --> 00:42:27,849 Like, "This was so good." 877 00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:29,808 It was just, it was just-- 878 00:42:29,851 --> 00:42:32,462 I guess I just lost my virginity. 879 00:42:45,084 --> 00:42:47,956 JERHONDA: When I went to Rob's house, 880 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,479 I always felt like the chosen one, 881 00:42:49,523 --> 00:42:51,873 but then, after being there for a while, 882 00:42:51,917 --> 00:42:54,223 I started seeing other girls around the house. 883 00:42:56,399 --> 00:42:58,619 I'm in this room, 884 00:42:58,663 --> 00:43:00,578 I'm sitting on the bed, and I'm just, uh, waiting for, 885 00:43:00,621 --> 00:43:02,928 uh, Rob to give the next order, pretty much. 886 00:43:04,233 --> 00:43:05,626 When he opened the door, he walked in 887 00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:07,149 and he saw me on my phone. 888 00:43:07,193 --> 00:43:08,586 And that's when he explained 889 00:43:08,629 --> 00:43:10,979 that I can't be on my cell phone. 890 00:43:11,023 --> 00:43:14,026 That started the, the rules. 891 00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:16,768 [distorted]: I've known R. Kelly for about 20 years. 892 00:43:16,811 --> 00:43:19,771 I was around him a lot, 893 00:43:19,814 --> 00:43:23,209 and that's when I started to notice the system 894 00:43:23,252 --> 00:43:26,865 of how girls are handled and that it was real off. 895 00:43:26,908 --> 00:43:30,259 They couldn't have communication with other people. 896 00:43:30,303 --> 00:43:32,914 They're not even allowed to communicate with each other. 897 00:43:32,958 --> 00:43:35,656 I had to give him an update about everything. 898 00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:38,616 Like, if I was about to brush my teeth, I had to let Rob know. 899 00:43:38,659 --> 00:43:40,705 If I wanted to take a shower, he had to know. 900 00:43:40,748 --> 00:43:43,011 And then, uh, when guys came around, 901 00:43:43,055 --> 00:43:44,578 I had to put my head down 902 00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,014 or I had to turn and face a wall. 903 00:43:47,494 --> 00:43:49,931 When you disobey him or you question him, 904 00:43:49,975 --> 00:43:52,499 that's considered breaking the rules. 905 00:43:52,542 --> 00:43:55,545 Perfect example-- there was one time Rob and I 906 00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:56,982 was talking about basketball. 907 00:43:57,025 --> 00:43:58,636 He likes the Chicago Bulls. 908 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:00,681 And I said, you know, I like the, the Cavaliers. 909 00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:02,074 And he said, 910 00:44:02,117 --> 00:44:03,771 "No, you like the Bulls." I was like, 911 00:44:03,815 --> 00:44:06,034 "I don't like the Bulls," and that was a problem. 912 00:44:06,078 --> 00:44:08,428 Rob slapped me in my face. 913 00:44:08,471 --> 00:44:10,038 And he told me, "Well, guess what. 914 00:44:10,082 --> 00:44:11,431 You're not eating." And I said, 915 00:44:11,474 --> 00:44:12,998 "Okay, this is a joke." I thought he was just 916 00:44:13,041 --> 00:44:14,173 playing around. 917 00:44:17,742 --> 00:44:21,615 The no-eat list is somebody who "disobeys Daddy." 918 00:44:21,659 --> 00:44:23,617 That's when he decides to starve you. 919 00:44:26,838 --> 00:44:28,230 The longest I've gone without food 920 00:44:28,274 --> 00:44:30,058 at his house was three days. 921 00:44:30,102 --> 00:44:33,801 I was surviving off water and some peanuts that I had. 922 00:44:36,151 --> 00:44:37,936 FORMER EMPLOYEE [distorted]: When a girl is confined 923 00:44:37,979 --> 00:44:39,502 to the tour bus 924 00:44:39,546 --> 00:44:43,593 or to a room, um, there would always be 925 00:44:43,637 --> 00:44:45,465 a possibility that she would go 926 00:44:45,508 --> 00:44:47,685 more than a day or two without food. 927 00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:53,603 PRODUCER: Can you describe the physical abuse? 928 00:44:53,647 --> 00:44:55,518 [stifled crying] 929 00:44:57,782 --> 00:44:59,697 [voice breaking, stammering] 930 00:45:02,656 --> 00:45:04,527 [stifled crying] 931 00:45:09,837 --> 00:45:12,971 -I-I'm sorry. [sniffles] -It's okay. 932 00:45:13,014 --> 00:45:14,624 NORCOTT: Abusers often use 933 00:45:14,668 --> 00:45:18,280 isolation, so they'll have, slowly over time, 934 00:45:18,324 --> 00:45:22,067 isolated a girl or a woman from her family. 935 00:45:22,110 --> 00:45:23,851 And then say, "There's nobody else for you. 936 00:45:23,895 --> 00:45:25,635 Nobody else cares about you but me. Where are you gonna go?" 937 00:45:27,942 --> 00:45:31,119 JERHONDA: I started to believe that I was nothing without Rob. 938 00:45:31,163 --> 00:45:33,861 I started to believe that Rob was everything. 939 00:45:33,905 --> 00:45:38,257 And he became... he became everything for me. 940 00:45:43,828 --> 00:45:47,614 Back in 2009, Rob pretty much just sent me out on a hunt, 941 00:45:47,657 --> 00:45:50,095 like, "Go find somebody," and I was like, "Dominique." 942 00:45:50,138 --> 00:45:52,097 You know, I thought Dominique was perfect. 943 00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:55,840 Dominique and I had met on MySpace. 944 00:45:55,883 --> 00:45:58,756 We was fans of his. We just... 945 00:45:58,799 --> 00:46:01,106 bonded and we had a really good friendship going 946 00:46:01,149 --> 00:46:02,934 based on liking R. Kelly. 947 00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:12,247 MICHELLE KRAMER: The girl, Jerhonda, started coming over, 948 00:46:12,291 --> 00:46:16,338 like on the weekends and then during the week, and then... 949 00:46:16,382 --> 00:46:18,123 You know, they was like best friends. 950 00:46:19,298 --> 00:46:20,473 She was 951 00:46:20,516 --> 00:46:22,214 hanging out with her. 952 00:46:22,257 --> 00:46:23,781 But I'm thinking it's the movies, 953 00:46:23,824 --> 00:46:26,261 I'm thinking it's bowling. 954 00:46:26,305 --> 00:46:29,395 Things that teenagers do. But it wasn't. 955 00:46:31,658 --> 00:46:35,009 She had a girlfriend that called me 956 00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:37,229 and said, "Do you know where Nikka's at?" 957 00:46:37,272 --> 00:46:40,058 And I said, "Yeah, she's with her friend." 958 00:46:40,101 --> 00:46:42,495 She said, "She's been lying to you. 959 00:46:42,538 --> 00:46:46,238 Nikka has been seeing R. Kelly." 960 00:46:46,281 --> 00:46:50,633 And I was like... [scoffs] "Girl, what'd you say?" 961 00:46:50,677 --> 00:46:53,680 JERHONDA: I didn't see my friend Dominique in the house, 962 00:46:53,723 --> 00:46:55,638 but I knew Dominique was there 963 00:46:55,682 --> 00:46:57,640 because we would both sneak and be on our cell phones, 964 00:46:57,684 --> 00:47:00,121 and that's when Dominique was sharing that, you know, 965 00:47:00,165 --> 00:47:01,601 Rob, any time he felt like she was doing 966 00:47:01,644 --> 00:47:02,820 something silly, he would slap her. 967 00:47:04,038 --> 00:47:05,648 And me and her used to 968 00:47:05,692 --> 00:47:07,607 always try to meet up in the house, 969 00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:10,218 and it never worked out. 970 00:47:10,262 --> 00:47:12,525 We were both on our cell phones texting each other like, "Okay. 971 00:47:12,568 --> 00:47:14,657 "I'm gonna call and ask to go to the bathroom right now. 972 00:47:14,701 --> 00:47:16,050 "You call and ask to go to the bathroom. 973 00:47:16,094 --> 00:47:17,573 "We're gonna meet at this bathroom, 974 00:47:17,617 --> 00:47:19,010 on this side of the house." 975 00:47:19,053 --> 00:47:21,055 So I would be in, like, one of those locations, 976 00:47:21,099 --> 00:47:22,970 but we never, ever got the chance to meet up. 977 00:47:24,189 --> 00:47:26,626 MICHELLE: I called the police. 978 00:47:26,669 --> 00:47:29,542 And Olympia Fields Police met us there. 979 00:47:29,585 --> 00:47:31,413 And it was carloads 980 00:47:31,457 --> 00:47:33,502 of young girls just going in. 981 00:47:43,512 --> 00:47:45,645 So she came home. 982 00:47:45,688 --> 00:47:47,168 I'm hollering, I was shouting. 983 00:47:47,212 --> 00:47:50,693 I was saying, "This is a grown man, he's sick. 984 00:47:50,737 --> 00:47:52,739 You know he just got off on some charges." 985 00:47:52,782 --> 00:47:55,785 And, um, I said, 986 00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:56,917 "Give me his phone number." 987 00:47:56,961 --> 00:47:58,440 He answered. 988 00:47:58,484 --> 00:48:00,921 I said, "R. Kelly, this is Michelle Kramer. 989 00:48:00,965 --> 00:48:02,836 "So I want you to remember my name. 990 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,099 "Okay? 991 00:48:05,143 --> 00:48:06,796 Stay the [bleep] away from my daughter." 992 00:48:17,764 --> 00:48:19,679 REPORTER: According to the report, 993 00:48:19,722 --> 00:48:22,725 he's keeping young women in a cult-like atmosphere. 994 00:48:22,769 --> 00:48:25,511 It's been two years now. We still haven't seen our daughter. 995 00:48:25,554 --> 00:48:29,080 KANIKA: He would beat me, and I just started thinking 996 00:48:29,123 --> 00:48:30,472 of ways to, like, 997 00:48:30,516 --> 00:48:33,867 either end my life or end his. 998 00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:36,000 I saw my daughter, I hugged my daughter, 999 00:48:36,043 --> 00:48:37,653 I kissed my daughter. 1000 00:48:37,697 --> 00:48:38,959 I done came too damn close. 1001 00:48:39,003 --> 00:48:39,960 Are you kidding me? 1002 00:48:40,004 --> 00:48:41,788 I'm gonna continue to fight. 1003 00:48:41,831 --> 00:48:42,963 That's what mothers do. 1004 00:48:44,225 --> 00:48:47,011 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS