1 00:00:14,579 --> 00:00:17,060 My name is Jerhonda Pace, 2 00:00:17,104 --> 00:00:18,801 and I was with Rob for six months 3 00:00:18,844 --> 00:00:21,151 when I was 16 years old. 4 00:00:21,195 --> 00:00:23,023 KANIKA "KITTI" JONES: My name is Kitti Jones, 5 00:00:23,066 --> 00:00:26,765 and I was with R. Kelly for two and a half years. 6 00:00:26,809 --> 00:00:28,680 ALICE: Our daughter Azriel Clary 7 00:00:28,724 --> 00:00:32,075 has been with R. Kelly about three years now. 8 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:34,295 MICHELLE: My name is Michelle W. Kramer. 9 00:00:34,338 --> 00:00:38,734 My daughter Dominique has been in his life for-- 10 00:00:38,777 --> 00:00:40,910 off and on-- for nine years. 11 00:00:42,694 --> 00:00:44,609 ♪ 12 00:00:50,485 --> 00:00:52,356 [fans cheering] 13 00:01:09,852 --> 00:01:12,202 -[crowd cheering] -REPORTER: The jury is deliberating 14 00:01:12,246 --> 00:01:14,683 in R. Kelly's child pornography case. 15 00:01:14,726 --> 00:01:16,076 KIM JANSSEN: Everyone in the courtroom thought 16 00:01:16,119 --> 00:01:17,468 he was gonna be found guilty. 17 00:01:17,512 --> 00:01:19,166 CRAIG WILLIAMS: Rob was very scared 18 00:01:19,209 --> 00:01:20,645 of going to jail. 19 00:01:20,689 --> 00:01:23,344 KATHY CHANEY: When they said "Not guilty," 20 00:01:23,387 --> 00:01:26,129 every reporter's face was like... 21 00:01:26,173 --> 00:01:28,653 ANDREA KELLY: Robert, you know the turmoil you brought 22 00:01:28,697 --> 00:01:30,699 into my kids' life, and for that, 23 00:01:30,742 --> 00:01:32,614 you can go to hell. 24 00:01:32,657 --> 00:01:34,572 JERHONDA: After Robert's trial, 25 00:01:34,616 --> 00:01:36,400 his friend sent me a message 26 00:01:36,444 --> 00:01:38,533 and invited me to R. Kelly's party. 27 00:01:38,576 --> 00:01:41,144 I didn't tell anyone I was going to his house. 28 00:01:41,188 --> 00:01:42,667 And I said, "I'm a virgin," 29 00:01:42,711 --> 00:01:44,495 and he said, "Well, that's perfect." 30 00:01:44,539 --> 00:01:48,151 Dominique and I had met on MySpace 31 00:01:48,195 --> 00:01:50,240 based on liking R. Kelly. 32 00:01:50,284 --> 00:01:52,199 MICHELLE: She had a girlfriend that called me and said, 33 00:01:52,242 --> 00:01:54,462 "Nikka has been seeing R. Kelly." 34 00:01:54,505 --> 00:01:56,203 I said, "Give me his phone number." 35 00:01:56,246 --> 00:01:58,292 I said, "R. Kelly, this is Michelle Kramer. 36 00:01:58,335 --> 00:02:00,294 Stay the [bleep] away from my daughter." 37 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:11,305 ANN POWERS: At that time, R. Kelly wasn't at the top 38 00:02:11,348 --> 00:02:12,741 of his game commercially, 39 00:02:12,784 --> 00:02:14,177 but he still held a place 40 00:02:14,221 --> 00:02:15,657 in the heart of people 41 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:17,137 in the media. 42 00:02:17,180 --> 00:02:19,791 Certainly, fans. 43 00:02:19,835 --> 00:02:22,794 And he was sort of a, you know, a cult figure. 44 00:02:22,838 --> 00:02:26,407 And for better or worse, his transgressions, 45 00:02:26,450 --> 00:02:29,671 in some ways, solidified that status. 46 00:02:29,714 --> 00:02:33,196 R. Kelly has asked a lot of us to forget about 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,895 Aaliyah, forget about the sex tape, 48 00:02:36,939 --> 00:02:38,810 forget about the trial. 49 00:02:38,854 --> 00:02:40,595 R. Kelly is innocent. 50 00:02:40,638 --> 00:02:43,685 NEWS ANCHOR: R. Kelly was arrested in Polk back in 2002 51 00:02:43,728 --> 00:02:45,426 on child porn charges, though he was later acquitted. 52 00:02:45,469 --> 00:02:47,689 FORMER EMPLOYEE [distorted]: It made him, you know, 53 00:02:47,732 --> 00:02:50,518 feel that he can continue to get away with those type of acts. 54 00:03:06,142 --> 00:03:07,404 My only daughter. 55 00:03:07,448 --> 00:03:09,537 I thought she was fine. 56 00:03:09,580 --> 00:03:11,365 She went on prom. She got a job. 57 00:03:11,408 --> 00:03:14,106 She was doing what she was supposed to do as a teenager, 58 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:15,978 and, um, we end up moving 59 00:03:16,021 --> 00:03:17,284 to the north side of Chicago. 60 00:03:19,460 --> 00:03:22,027 I went to Kaplan College for, um, medical billing and coding, 61 00:03:22,071 --> 00:03:25,248 and she went for dental assistant. 62 00:03:25,292 --> 00:03:28,817 She was doing her own thing, and then all of a sudden, 63 00:03:28,860 --> 00:03:33,125 she came home and said, 64 00:03:33,169 --> 00:03:34,518 "I haven't been telling you the truth." 65 00:03:34,562 --> 00:03:37,086 And I said, "What you mean?" 66 00:03:37,129 --> 00:03:38,392 "I had still been seeing him. 67 00:03:40,655 --> 00:03:44,006 And he asked me to move to Atlanta." 68 00:03:44,049 --> 00:03:45,399 Now at this time, 69 00:03:45,442 --> 00:03:48,924 she about 21, 22. 70 00:03:48,967 --> 00:03:51,274 What can I do? She's grown. 71 00:03:51,318 --> 00:03:55,278 I didn't want to lose my daughter to him. 72 00:03:55,322 --> 00:03:58,586 I had to make the hardest choice: 73 00:03:58,629 --> 00:04:01,328 Go against her... 74 00:04:01,371 --> 00:04:04,505 or give her my blessing. 75 00:04:04,548 --> 00:04:07,812 All I could do was pray and hope one day 76 00:04:07,856 --> 00:04:11,468 that she just wake up and just come home. 77 00:04:22,349 --> 00:04:26,091 I was with R. Kelly for six months when I was 16 years old. 78 00:04:26,135 --> 00:04:29,269 I didn't see my friend Dominique in the house, 79 00:04:29,312 --> 00:04:31,793 but I knew Dominique was there because me and her 80 00:04:31,836 --> 00:04:33,403 used to always try to meet up in the house 81 00:04:33,447 --> 00:04:34,622 and it never worked out. 82 00:04:34,665 --> 00:04:37,581 Rob always kept us separated. 83 00:04:39,104 --> 00:04:40,715 I would be isolated. 84 00:04:40,758 --> 00:04:42,804 I felt like a prisoner. 85 00:04:42,847 --> 00:04:47,330 It's, like, I didn't have anyone to, um, talk to. It was just me. 86 00:04:47,374 --> 00:04:49,767 I went into a depression. 87 00:04:49,811 --> 00:04:51,247 I was mentally drained 88 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:53,293 'cause he would break me down, then build me up, 89 00:04:53,336 --> 00:04:54,685 then make me feel like [bleep] again, 90 00:04:54,729 --> 00:04:56,774 and do it all over again. 91 00:04:56,818 --> 00:04:59,647 So it was-- He would really manipulate my mind. 92 00:05:01,736 --> 00:05:05,217 The breaking point for me was when 93 00:05:05,261 --> 00:05:07,742 Rob slapped me and he choked me until I blacked out. 94 00:05:09,961 --> 00:05:12,007 He was about six feet tall, 95 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:13,617 and I'm only five-one and a half, 96 00:05:13,661 --> 00:05:17,055 and he lift me up and I was, like, eye level with him, 97 00:05:17,099 --> 00:05:19,319 and then I remember just blacking out 98 00:05:19,362 --> 00:05:21,277 and I-I hit the floor. 99 00:05:21,321 --> 00:05:25,150 That was the straw that broke the camel's back, 100 00:05:25,194 --> 00:05:27,501 and that's why I had to walk away. 101 00:05:27,544 --> 00:05:30,721 After that incident happened between us, 102 00:05:30,765 --> 00:05:32,419 I powered my phone off and I left, 103 00:05:32,462 --> 00:05:33,594 and I never looked back. 104 00:05:40,731 --> 00:05:43,517 Knowing that Dominique is still in the house, 105 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,562 it's very painful to know that she's still 106 00:05:45,606 --> 00:05:48,043 experiencing all of those things 107 00:05:48,086 --> 00:05:49,610 that she was experiencing when I was there. 108 00:05:49,653 --> 00:05:51,873 She just deserves better, 109 00:05:51,916 --> 00:05:55,659 and I don't want her to be there anymore. 110 00:05:55,703 --> 00:05:57,922 She should have a better life. 111 00:06:05,190 --> 00:06:08,411 I do know of someone who tried to help 112 00:06:08,455 --> 00:06:11,240 one girl in particular get out of the house. 113 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:16,637 There was a staff member who tried to help Dominique. 114 00:06:18,987 --> 00:06:22,860 It was a situation where Dominique expressed 115 00:06:22,904 --> 00:06:24,340 how she was being mistreated. 116 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:26,081 To Robert, 117 00:06:26,124 --> 00:06:28,823 Dominique is, like, the rebellious one. 118 00:06:28,866 --> 00:06:31,434 She stays in trouble to him. 119 00:06:31,478 --> 00:06:35,133 She's a little tomboyish, and Robert plays on that. 120 00:06:35,177 --> 00:06:38,180 So he has molded her 121 00:06:38,223 --> 00:06:42,532 into the boy he wants her to be. 122 00:06:42,576 --> 00:06:45,056 So he's had her shave all her hair off, 123 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:47,145 and she carries herself like a boy. 124 00:06:47,189 --> 00:06:49,974 He's even had her dress in boy clothes 125 00:06:50,018 --> 00:06:52,934 and paint the-the beard and the mustache on 126 00:06:52,977 --> 00:06:56,328 to look like a boy. 127 00:06:56,372 --> 00:06:58,809 So he treats her like his boy toy. 128 00:07:07,818 --> 00:07:09,646 My name is Timothy Savage. 129 00:07:09,690 --> 00:07:13,128 My daughter was off in college at the time. 130 00:07:13,171 --> 00:07:14,521 I haven't seen her since. 131 00:07:14,564 --> 00:07:16,348 My daughter's severely brainwashed. 132 00:07:16,392 --> 00:07:19,482 She's brainwashed to the point where, um, 133 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:24,052 she says anything that he asks her to say. 134 00:07:24,095 --> 00:07:28,317 Uh, she-she's not the same Joycelyn that we knew. 135 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,494 Stockholm syndrome, that's what my daughter has right now. 136 00:07:39,415 --> 00:07:41,373 We both was blindsided. 137 00:07:41,417 --> 00:07:43,027 We didn't know it, but the storm was coming. 138 00:07:43,071 --> 00:07:45,073 It was never for my daughter 139 00:07:45,116 --> 00:07:47,205 to-to get in touch with this man, not one time, 140 00:07:47,249 --> 00:07:49,251 without me or my wife being present. 141 00:07:54,517 --> 00:07:57,868 Joycelyn was a-- She was kind of shy, 142 00:07:57,912 --> 00:08:01,002 you know, she was a loner, she liked to stay to herself. 143 00:08:01,045 --> 00:08:03,483 But when it came on to music or modeling, 144 00:08:03,526 --> 00:08:06,268 she turned on like a flash, like a butterfly. 145 00:08:06,311 --> 00:08:09,576 At the early ages of life, she was always wanting to do this. 146 00:08:09,619 --> 00:08:11,229 One night, I got off from wor, 147 00:08:11,273 --> 00:08:13,362 she came downstairs and she was singing. 148 00:08:13,405 --> 00:08:15,407 I said, "Is that Joycelyn?" 149 00:08:15,451 --> 00:08:17,540 And I said, "She could sing." 150 00:08:17,584 --> 00:08:20,151 This was probably about ten years old. 151 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,898 JONJELYN: When we met Mr. Kelly, we went in strictly 152 00:08:27,942 --> 00:08:29,857 for a professional relationship. 153 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:32,033 I think that R. Kelly could've helped 154 00:08:32,076 --> 00:08:33,991 put my daughter in the right position 155 00:08:34,035 --> 00:08:35,645 to help her make her a star 156 00:08:35,689 --> 00:08:37,865 because he had a lot of influences 157 00:08:37,908 --> 00:08:39,997 with the record labels and, uh, he's created 158 00:08:40,041 --> 00:08:42,652 big hits with a lot of people. 159 00:08:42,696 --> 00:08:46,003 I think it was back in 2008, 160 00:08:46,047 --> 00:08:48,397 we did hear some type of, you know, 161 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,835 allegations that he had, uh, a trial that was going on, 162 00:08:51,879 --> 00:08:54,925 but, uh, the courts found him not guilty at that time, 163 00:08:54,969 --> 00:08:56,274 so we didn't think nothing else of it. 164 00:09:07,634 --> 00:09:10,767 JONJELYN: December, fall of 2016, 165 00:09:10,811 --> 00:09:12,813 she had told us that 166 00:09:12,856 --> 00:09:15,293 she studied, that she, you know, passed all her exams, 167 00:09:15,337 --> 00:09:18,601 and she was looking forward to the next semester. 168 00:09:18,645 --> 00:09:21,386 TIMOTHY: We felt like we started to disconnect 169 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:23,954 in, uh, 2016, 170 00:09:23,998 --> 00:09:26,696 late fall. 171 00:09:26,740 --> 00:09:30,004 I was going to, um, register Joycelyn 172 00:09:30,047 --> 00:09:34,356 for the, uh, next semester, and I needed to talk to her. 173 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:37,359 JONJELYN: I wasn't able to get in touch with my daughter 174 00:09:37,402 --> 00:09:38,795 for three days straight, 175 00:09:38,839 --> 00:09:40,797 but I was able to track down her-- 176 00:09:40,841 --> 00:09:43,147 one of her roommates that she was really close with, 177 00:09:43,191 --> 00:09:45,193 and this particular roommate 178 00:09:45,236 --> 00:09:48,631 said that Joycelyn hadn't been at the dorm for a few days. 179 00:09:48,675 --> 00:09:52,156 TIMOTHY: So we end up-- We said, "Hey, something is going on. 180 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,507 This a red flag." And then we got a call 181 00:09:55,551 --> 00:09:59,250 from her, and she told us that she was with R. Kelly. 182 00:09:59,294 --> 00:10:03,254 We was like, "What are you doing? You're in, 183 00:10:03,298 --> 00:10:06,475 "you're in college. We had this discussion. 184 00:10:06,518 --> 00:10:08,216 "I thought you was headed in the direction 185 00:10:08,259 --> 00:10:10,131 that you want to go in." 186 00:10:10,174 --> 00:10:12,655 And she told me that she didn't know 187 00:10:12,699 --> 00:10:14,657 what she wanted to do at that point. 188 00:10:16,833 --> 00:10:18,922 Weeks went by 189 00:10:18,966 --> 00:10:21,751 with no answers. It was like a dead, silence tone 190 00:10:21,795 --> 00:10:23,623 when I'd call. 191 00:10:23,666 --> 00:10:27,235 It has been over almost two years now, 192 00:10:27,278 --> 00:10:29,977 and we still haven't seen our daughter. 193 00:10:32,849 --> 00:10:34,634 When the Savages first came out 194 00:10:34,677 --> 00:10:37,462 talking about Joycelyn, R. Kelly had meetings 195 00:10:37,506 --> 00:10:41,597 to strategize to fix the situation. 196 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:44,426 So the first thing was to put 197 00:10:44,469 --> 00:10:47,647 Joycelyn in front of the camera on TMZ, 198 00:10:47,690 --> 00:10:50,780 which is something he ordinarily would not have done, 199 00:10:50,824 --> 00:10:53,609 but because they said that Joycelyn was being held 200 00:10:53,653 --> 00:10:55,480 against her will and all of that stuff, 201 00:10:55,524 --> 00:10:57,787 he had to clean it up. 202 00:10:57,831 --> 00:11:00,050 INTERVIEWER: You are not being held against your will? 203 00:11:00,094 --> 00:11:02,357 Oh, n-no. Not at all. 204 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,881 Never been feeling hostage or anything like that, 205 00:11:04,925 --> 00:11:06,840 in that nature, never. 206 00:11:06,883 --> 00:11:08,276 FORMER EMPLOYEE: As far as the video 207 00:11:08,319 --> 00:11:10,147 that Joycelyn Savage made, 208 00:11:10,191 --> 00:11:13,760 I would say that it was scripted 209 00:11:13,803 --> 00:11:17,241 because Robert does not allow those girls 210 00:11:17,285 --> 00:11:20,767 to say anything that he has not told them to say. 211 00:11:20,810 --> 00:11:24,292 TIMOTHY: Yeah, you see shadows in the background, 212 00:11:24,335 --> 00:11:28,600 showing someone saying, "Cut," on her shirt. 213 00:11:28,644 --> 00:11:31,560 INTERVIEWER: Are you free to go from where you are? 214 00:11:31,603 --> 00:11:34,215 JOYCELYN: No, uh, I won't speak on that as well. 215 00:11:34,258 --> 00:11:36,304 It made me feel horrible 216 00:11:36,347 --> 00:11:38,393 that you see somebody doing this in a shadow 217 00:11:38,436 --> 00:11:40,047 going in the background. 218 00:11:40,090 --> 00:11:42,658 That's a control, like she's locked up 219 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:46,053 in a jail cell. 220 00:11:46,096 --> 00:11:49,056 I really think it hit me when I, when I saw her face 221 00:11:49,099 --> 00:11:51,275 on, you know, TMZ. 222 00:11:51,319 --> 00:11:56,106 I could tell that she was not the same Joycelyn 223 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:58,761 who was raised up to be. 224 00:11:58,805 --> 00:12:02,156 How can he just sit here and ruin these little girls? 225 00:12:02,199 --> 00:12:03,374 Like, you-you can't-- 226 00:12:03,418 --> 00:12:05,463 Like, I feel like he has no heart. 227 00:12:05,507 --> 00:12:09,119 POWERS: When the ball started rolling down the hill again 228 00:12:09,163 --> 00:12:10,555 for R. Kelly, 229 00:12:10,599 --> 00:12:12,514 there was a piece in BuzzFeed, 230 00:12:12,557 --> 00:12:15,082 there was something inThe New Yorker. 231 00:12:15,125 --> 00:12:19,042 The story had hit the mainstream in a new way. 232 00:12:19,086 --> 00:12:21,784 BuzzFeed has published an explosive report 233 00:12:21,828 --> 00:12:25,919 detailing accusations against artist R. Kelly. 234 00:12:25,962 --> 00:12:27,355 NEWSWOMAN: According to the report, 235 00:12:27,398 --> 00:12:29,052 he's keeping a household of young women 236 00:12:29,096 --> 00:12:31,098 in a cult-like atmosphere. 237 00:12:31,141 --> 00:12:33,448 REPORTER: The accusations coming from a nine-month-long 238 00:12:33,491 --> 00:12:35,102 investigative report. 239 00:12:35,145 --> 00:12:37,017 The article quickly becoming 240 00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:39,541 one of the top trending items on social media. 241 00:12:39,584 --> 00:12:41,673 From the time that the Savages came out, 242 00:12:41,717 --> 00:12:44,546 shows started to get canceled. 243 00:12:44,589 --> 00:12:48,028 He has lost money from his bookings, 244 00:12:48,071 --> 00:12:51,161 so the stories, they have 245 00:12:51,205 --> 00:12:54,164 affected his livelihood, and he knows that. 246 00:12:54,208 --> 00:12:55,818 I want everybody around the world to know, 247 00:12:55,862 --> 00:12:57,994 ain't no tours canceled, man, all right? 248 00:12:58,038 --> 00:12:59,953 Despite what you hear, don't believe the hype. 249 00:12:59,996 --> 00:13:02,346 I haven't canceled not one show. 250 00:13:02,390 --> 00:13:04,348 INTERVIEWER: You stand by your words, you know, 251 00:13:04,392 --> 00:13:06,916 R. Kelly's not holding any women hostage 252 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,831 or he doesn't have a sex cult or...? 253 00:13:08,875 --> 00:13:11,268 Um, no. None of that is true. None of that is true. 254 00:13:11,312 --> 00:13:13,401 All of that is false accusations. 255 00:13:13,444 --> 00:13:14,968 You know, people talk all the time, you know. 256 00:13:15,011 --> 00:13:16,970 It's just rumors. 257 00:13:17,013 --> 00:13:18,928 Yeah, I'm out here in L.A., you know, just vacationing, 258 00:13:18,972 --> 00:13:21,104 and he's in Chicago. 259 00:13:21,148 --> 00:13:22,453 INTERVIEWER: Oh, cool. You're doing your own thing right now. 260 00:13:22,497 --> 00:13:24,281 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Doing my own thing. 261 00:13:26,066 --> 00:13:28,111 MICHELLE: When I saw the TMZ video, 262 00:13:28,155 --> 00:13:32,855 I looked over and it was my daughter Dominique. 263 00:13:32,899 --> 00:13:35,423 She was very unrecognizable 264 00:13:35,466 --> 00:13:37,468 because how her hair was and she was all 265 00:13:37,512 --> 00:13:40,820 tattooed up. 266 00:13:40,863 --> 00:13:43,605 So I could see they was in Beverly Hills, 267 00:13:43,648 --> 00:13:45,433 and I just put two and two together 268 00:13:45,476 --> 00:13:47,217 that that's probably where she's staying. 269 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,439 So I spoke with the producers, 270 00:13:51,482 --> 00:13:53,658 because I was already coming 271 00:13:53,702 --> 00:13:56,574 to L.A. to do the documentary. 272 00:13:56,618 --> 00:13:59,577 And so I convinced them to... 273 00:13:59,621 --> 00:14:01,057 take me to Beverly Hills 274 00:14:01,101 --> 00:14:03,146 to locate my daughter. 275 00:14:08,021 --> 00:14:09,936 ♪ 276 00:14:21,382 --> 00:14:23,340 PRODUCER: What are you doing right now? 277 00:14:23,384 --> 00:14:24,907 MICHELLE: I'm just looking out the window. 278 00:14:24,951 --> 00:14:26,169 She might be walking down the street. 279 00:14:28,737 --> 00:14:31,653 You can never replace a mothe. 280 00:14:31,696 --> 00:14:33,916 Never. 281 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,526 When they sick, we take care of them, 282 00:14:35,570 --> 00:14:37,659 We ain't never know that. 283 00:14:37,702 --> 00:14:39,182 That's a mother. 284 00:14:39,226 --> 00:14:42,403 Not sayin' fathers don't do it. 285 00:14:42,446 --> 00:14:45,885 But this one... I did all that. 286 00:14:45,928 --> 00:14:47,887 So you can never replace that. 287 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:51,325 One of the things she told me, she told me never to give up. 288 00:14:51,368 --> 00:14:53,805 So me coming to L.A. 289 00:14:53,849 --> 00:14:55,982 and not trying to even try to find her... 290 00:14:58,549 --> 00:15:00,987 I'm not giving up. 291 00:15:01,030 --> 00:15:02,945 I'm not. 292 00:15:20,789 --> 00:15:22,660 ♪ 293 00:15:22,704 --> 00:15:24,184 TARANA BURKE: After the trial, 294 00:15:24,227 --> 00:15:26,012 R. Kelly has had huge performances-- 295 00:15:26,055 --> 00:15:28,579 particularly, again, in black spaces. 296 00:15:28,623 --> 00:15:31,321 He's had the Soul Train Music Award tribute to Sam Cooke. 297 00:15:31,365 --> 00:15:33,454 NELSON GEORGE: The 2010 performance, 298 00:15:33,497 --> 00:15:35,673 theEpic soul extravaganza, 299 00:15:35,717 --> 00:15:38,502 is definitely his attempt to come back. 300 00:15:38,546 --> 00:15:40,069 He was making, also, a plea 301 00:15:40,113 --> 00:15:41,941 to black adults. 302 00:15:41,984 --> 00:15:43,551 That's why I think he did the '50s thing. 303 00:15:43,594 --> 00:15:44,944 When I watched it, I said, 304 00:15:44,987 --> 00:15:46,554 "This is an incredibly calculated performance." 305 00:15:46,597 --> 00:15:49,600 And the messaging of it is really interesting 306 00:15:49,644 --> 00:15:51,385 in light of where he was in his career, and that is, 307 00:15:51,428 --> 00:15:53,256 "I'm not being a youthful pop star. 308 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:54,649 "I'm your guy. 309 00:15:54,692 --> 00:15:56,085 I'm part of everything you are." 310 00:15:56,129 --> 00:15:57,957 TRACII McGREGOR: He droppedLove Letter. 311 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,742 And that record didn't do 312 00:16:00,785 --> 00:16:03,266 very well, either. It did better than Untitled, 313 00:16:03,310 --> 00:16:06,356 but when you're looking at, like, the breadth of his work, 314 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,358 it paled in comparison. 315 00:16:08,402 --> 00:16:11,927 And still-- He's still, you know, working in the industry. 316 00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:13,885 I mean, R. Kelly wrote most of the songs 317 00:16:13,929 --> 00:16:16,758 for theSparkle soundtrack. 318 00:16:16,801 --> 00:16:18,629 He did a song for Whitney Houston, 319 00:16:18,673 --> 00:16:20,327 "I Look to You," 320 00:16:20,370 --> 00:16:21,589 which did fairly well for her. 321 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:25,462 R. Kelly, with his... mmm... genius, 322 00:16:25,506 --> 00:16:27,638 wrote this song for me many years ago. 323 00:16:27,682 --> 00:16:31,903 Spiritually, it... connected with me, very much. 324 00:16:31,947 --> 00:16:33,470 By the time Whitney Houston dies, you know, 325 00:16:33,514 --> 00:16:35,472 his reputation is pretty bad. 326 00:16:35,516 --> 00:16:37,387 We all know about the sex tapes. 327 00:16:37,431 --> 00:16:39,302 A lot of the stuff about the abuse of women is coming out. 328 00:16:39,346 --> 00:16:41,261 It's been pretty consistent. 329 00:16:41,304 --> 00:16:43,002 So for him-him to even be 330 00:16:43,045 --> 00:16:45,047 at Whitney's funeral is kind of like... 331 00:16:45,091 --> 00:16:47,049 I'm sure some people were very upset about that. 332 00:16:47,093 --> 00:16:51,053 He seems nervous when he gets up there, because... 333 00:16:51,097 --> 00:16:53,099 Maybe he's even aware that-- the enormity of what he's doing 334 00:16:53,142 --> 00:16:55,753 and how potentially inappropriate it is. 335 00:16:55,797 --> 00:16:57,581 And how many of those people are judging him in that audience. 336 00:16:57,625 --> 00:17:01,542 ♪ I look to you... 337 00:17:01,585 --> 00:17:03,935 [choir vocalizing] 338 00:17:07,722 --> 00:17:10,681 And yet he wins the crowd, because of 339 00:17:10,725 --> 00:17:12,596 the purity of his emotion. 340 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,337 And you see the pastors, 341 00:17:14,381 --> 00:17:17,036 who stand up during the song 342 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:19,516 to sort of accept his testimony. 343 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,866 And it's very powerful. 344 00:17:21,910 --> 00:17:23,259 We love you, Whitney. 345 00:17:23,303 --> 00:17:25,174 Rest in peace. 346 00:17:25,218 --> 00:17:27,394 BURKE: When he has these moments, 347 00:17:27,437 --> 00:17:29,657 it elevates him to a status in our community 348 00:17:29,700 --> 00:17:31,180 that-that really is protected. 349 00:17:31,224 --> 00:17:33,139 ♪ 350 00:17:33,182 --> 00:17:35,010 DR. JODY ADEWALE: Our society tends to compartmentalize 351 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:36,751 the things we don't want to look at 352 00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:40,537 and magnifies and glorifies the things that we do. 353 00:17:40,581 --> 00:17:43,584 For example, if an individual is providing something 354 00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:45,673 to the society-- 355 00:17:45,716 --> 00:17:48,023 as music, cinema, politics-- 356 00:17:48,067 --> 00:17:49,981 we're more likely 357 00:17:50,025 --> 00:17:51,809 to compartmentalize their negative behavior 358 00:17:51,853 --> 00:17:53,594 and minimize it, 359 00:17:53,637 --> 00:17:55,900 as a way of accepting what they are contributing. 360 00:17:55,944 --> 00:17:58,816 BURKE: We don't want to let go of R. Kelly 361 00:17:58,860 --> 00:18:00,775 because it means let going of all of that catalogue of music 362 00:18:00,818 --> 00:18:03,256 and the memories that go along with it. 363 00:18:03,299 --> 00:18:06,302 Whether you sang "I Believe I Can Fly" at your graduation 364 00:18:06,346 --> 00:18:08,174 or you "Stepped in the Name of Love" at your wedding, 365 00:18:08,217 --> 00:18:10,263 people don't want to let that go. 366 00:18:10,306 --> 00:18:12,743 His music is black music. 367 00:18:12,787 --> 00:18:16,007 It crosses over, but he targets the black people. 368 00:18:16,051 --> 00:18:19,010 And as a people, we forgive. 369 00:18:19,054 --> 00:18:20,621 And-and keep forgiving you. 370 00:18:20,664 --> 00:18:22,492 That's the church in us. 371 00:18:22,536 --> 00:18:24,842 But now it's like, 372 00:18:24,886 --> 00:18:26,017 we have gone from stories 373 00:18:26,061 --> 00:18:27,715 that could be dismissed... 374 00:18:27,758 --> 00:18:29,717 They just want to bring him down, to kill his image. 375 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,415 POWERS: ...to stories about women 376 00:18:32,459 --> 00:18:35,070 who were being kept from their parents. 377 00:18:40,684 --> 00:18:43,165 ♪ 378 00:18:43,209 --> 00:18:45,341 PRODUCER: Kind of looks like the [bleep] over there. 379 00:18:45,385 --> 00:18:47,169 -Where? -Right... 380 00:18:47,213 --> 00:18:48,649 Um... 381 00:18:48,692 --> 00:18:49,998 PRODUCER: All right. Let's go. 382 00:18:57,614 --> 00:18:59,268 MICHELLE: In my heart, I know she's there. 383 00:18:59,312 --> 00:19:01,531 And... I know she's there. 384 00:19:01,575 --> 00:19:04,534 My plan is just to go into the hotel 385 00:19:04,578 --> 00:19:07,058 and just, basically-- it's Mother's Day weekend-- 386 00:19:07,102 --> 00:19:10,975 and say, "Can you have her come down? There's a package here." 387 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:20,855 They said no, there wasn't no Gardner there. 388 00:19:23,074 --> 00:19:25,729 But I didn't get to L.A. not to find my daughter. 389 00:19:25,773 --> 00:19:27,166 -[men chatting indistinctly] -MICHELLE: Could I ask you... 390 00:19:27,209 --> 00:19:28,819 could I ask you a question? 391 00:19:28,863 --> 00:19:31,344 So I saw this black guy outside, 392 00:19:31,387 --> 00:19:33,346 like maybe a doorman or something, 393 00:19:33,389 --> 00:19:35,783 and I described Dominique to him. 394 00:19:35,826 --> 00:19:39,526 And he said, "Try the one across the street." 395 00:19:39,569 --> 00:19:42,224 And I did not know it was a whole nother hotel 396 00:19:42,268 --> 00:19:43,878 of the same name across the street. 397 00:19:43,921 --> 00:19:45,836 ♪ 398 00:20:00,590 --> 00:20:02,113 Oh! I got company. 399 00:20:02,157 --> 00:20:03,854 All right, how are you guys? 400 00:20:03,898 --> 00:20:05,900 KANIKA: Back in 2011, 401 00:20:05,943 --> 00:20:08,772 I was a radio DJ in Dallas. 402 00:20:08,816 --> 00:20:12,733 Um... and I had met R. Kelly at an after-party 403 00:20:12,776 --> 00:20:15,301 while he was on the Love Letter Tour. 404 00:20:15,344 --> 00:20:17,825 I proceeded to introduce mysef 405 00:20:17,868 --> 00:20:20,610 and let him know that I was from the radio station. 406 00:20:20,654 --> 00:20:22,873 He proceeded to ask me how old I was. 407 00:20:22,917 --> 00:20:25,267 Told him I was in my 30s, 408 00:20:25,311 --> 00:20:26,964 and he was shocked. 409 00:20:27,008 --> 00:20:30,185 He just kind of sized me up a little bit, 410 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:31,839 from head to toe, like, what I looked like. 411 00:20:31,882 --> 00:20:33,493 And we were just kind of 412 00:20:33,536 --> 00:20:35,277 shaking hands really slow 413 00:20:35,321 --> 00:20:37,236 and that's when he slipped me the phone number. 414 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:39,629 ♪ 415 00:20:39,673 --> 00:20:42,893 Long distance was a hard thing for both of us, so... 416 00:20:42,937 --> 00:20:44,765 I quit my job 417 00:20:44,808 --> 00:20:47,724 and moved to Chicago. 418 00:20:47,768 --> 00:20:50,205 I didn't just pack up and leave 419 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:53,077 just because I loved him, it was a two-way thing. 420 00:20:53,121 --> 00:20:57,430 Rob absolutely told me that he loved me, all the time. 421 00:20:57,473 --> 00:21:02,609 I was visiting Dallas and a friend of mine said, 422 00:21:02,652 --> 00:21:05,655 "Um, you know, have you ever watched 423 00:21:05,699 --> 00:21:07,309 the sex tape?" 424 00:21:07,353 --> 00:21:10,878 And I was furious with her 425 00:21:10,921 --> 00:21:13,968 and I felt disrespected, because... 426 00:21:14,011 --> 00:21:15,752 at this point, this is my boyfriend. 427 00:21:15,796 --> 00:21:19,843 Not only that, I just felt like if you have respect for me 428 00:21:19,887 --> 00:21:21,845 you wouldn't be bringing up something that 429 00:21:21,889 --> 00:21:24,326 people are gonna always make fun of him over. 430 00:21:24,370 --> 00:21:25,545 I'm-I'm offended as well. 431 00:21:25,588 --> 00:21:27,503 But my curiosity 432 00:21:27,547 --> 00:21:29,288 just kind of got the best of e 433 00:21:29,331 --> 00:21:30,637 and I googled it. 434 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,116 And, um... 435 00:21:33,901 --> 00:21:35,903 ...when I saw the images, 436 00:21:35,946 --> 00:21:38,645 um... 437 00:21:38,688 --> 00:21:40,603 [sobs] 438 00:21:41,996 --> 00:21:44,259 The images were... 439 00:21:49,003 --> 00:21:52,223 ...the same girl that he had introduced me to, 440 00:21:52,267 --> 00:21:54,835 um... 441 00:21:54,878 --> 00:21:56,663 a couple weeks before. 442 00:21:56,706 --> 00:22:00,275 I knew ex-- I knew immediately it was the same woman. 443 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:02,886 Um... 444 00:22:02,930 --> 00:22:04,714 I just didn't know how to feel. 445 00:22:04,758 --> 00:22:08,718 I-I guess I felt like I was tricked into something. 446 00:22:08,762 --> 00:22:10,154 All at the same time. 447 00:22:10,198 --> 00:22:12,026 It was just... 448 00:22:12,069 --> 00:22:14,028 a bunch of emotions coming over me, like, 449 00:22:14,071 --> 00:22:16,726 am I really with someone that did this? 450 00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:29,739 KANIKA: I called him. 451 00:22:29,783 --> 00:22:33,526 And... I was very upset. 452 00:22:33,569 --> 00:22:36,224 He could hear me crying and I said, 453 00:22:36,267 --> 00:22:39,140 "My friend sent me the tape," or something like that. 454 00:22:39,183 --> 00:22:41,142 I didn't want him to know that I went looking for it, 455 00:22:41,185 --> 00:22:43,144 so I carefully worded it 456 00:22:43,187 --> 00:22:46,147 so he didn't think that 457 00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:48,671 I went looking for a tape. 458 00:22:48,715 --> 00:22:51,195 The tape that he went to trial for. 459 00:22:51,239 --> 00:22:55,025 He just began, like, 460 00:22:55,069 --> 00:22:57,201 saying things to me 461 00:22:57,245 --> 00:22:58,768 that I'd never heard before. 462 00:22:58,812 --> 00:23:00,814 Like, "Bitch, don't ever accuse me 463 00:23:00,857 --> 00:23:02,990 of some [bleep] like that ever again." 464 00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:04,426 And "Who are you listening to? 465 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:06,254 "Get your ass back. 466 00:23:06,297 --> 00:23:08,517 I'm [bleep] you up." Things like that. 467 00:23:08,561 --> 00:23:10,432 And I was just... 468 00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:12,391 scared. 469 00:23:14,915 --> 00:23:17,047 ♪ 470 00:23:17,091 --> 00:23:18,832 He beat me in the car when I got back. 471 00:23:22,096 --> 00:23:24,446 That was the first time he was very physical with me. 472 00:23:24,490 --> 00:23:27,928 Not only do I need to save face for myself, 473 00:23:27,971 --> 00:23:29,408 I need to protect him, too, 474 00:23:29,451 --> 00:23:31,192 because now I loved him, I love him. 475 00:23:31,235 --> 00:23:34,369 And now he knows that I know this secret. 476 00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:38,808 And I need him to understand that I'm not gonna tell anybody. 477 00:23:38,852 --> 00:23:41,289 ♪ 478 00:23:41,332 --> 00:23:43,422 I felt trapped. 479 00:23:43,465 --> 00:23:45,249 On the inside, I was like, 480 00:23:45,293 --> 00:23:47,034 "Who am I dealing with?" 481 00:23:47,077 --> 00:23:48,949 Like, who is this person that I'm lying down with? 482 00:23:48,992 --> 00:23:50,994 Is he doing this secretly? 483 00:23:51,038 --> 00:23:52,387 You know? 484 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:55,434 And I'm of age. Am I just a beard? 485 00:23:55,477 --> 00:23:57,436 I didn't know. 486 00:23:57,479 --> 00:23:59,394 I just... 487 00:24:01,048 --> 00:24:03,224 I just knew that 488 00:24:03,267 --> 00:24:05,792 when we were the car and he was lashing out at me 489 00:24:05,835 --> 00:24:08,577 and-and slapping me repeatedly, 490 00:24:08,621 --> 00:24:11,885 and I just kept telling him I was sorry 491 00:24:11,928 --> 00:24:14,801 and that I... I wasn't accusing him of anything 492 00:24:14,844 --> 00:24:16,411 and that I didn't believe it. 493 00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:20,894 At this point, there's no turning back. 494 00:24:20,937 --> 00:24:23,592 And I just-- I wanted to make it work by all means. 495 00:24:23,636 --> 00:24:25,594 But... 496 00:24:25,638 --> 00:24:27,204 he would beat me 497 00:24:27,248 --> 00:24:28,771 when he was upset with me. 498 00:24:31,861 --> 00:24:33,776 There's a period that-- 499 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:35,865 He calls it "training you." 500 00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:38,781 He used those words with me plenty of times. 501 00:24:38,825 --> 00:24:42,611 I didn't understand 502 00:24:42,655 --> 00:24:45,571 that training me was, like, okay, let me... 503 00:24:45,614 --> 00:24:48,530 let me put this out here and see if she... 504 00:24:48,574 --> 00:24:50,358 is comfortable with that. 505 00:24:50,401 --> 00:24:54,536 You definitely had to ask to go to the restroom. 506 00:24:54,580 --> 00:24:56,407 Stand up when he walks in the room. 507 00:24:56,451 --> 00:24:59,236 You had to ask for your food. 508 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,979 I was not allowed, by Rob, to watch TV back then. 509 00:25:03,023 --> 00:25:06,069 Dance Moms was a show that he would look at, 510 00:25:06,113 --> 00:25:08,463 ironically, with little girls dancing or whatever. 511 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:12,554 But I never saw any reality shows on VH1 512 00:25:12,598 --> 00:25:14,121 or anything that was negative 513 00:25:14,164 --> 00:25:16,602 or might have anything that would, 514 00:25:16,645 --> 00:25:18,081 I guess, pertain to him 515 00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:19,605 or put any negative thoughts. 516 00:25:21,389 --> 00:25:23,043 ADEWALE: The perpetrator might 517 00:25:23,086 --> 00:25:25,393 isolate an individual. 518 00:25:25,436 --> 00:25:28,222 It's easier for a perpetrator to abuse-- 519 00:25:28,265 --> 00:25:30,050 sexually, physically, financially, emotionally 520 00:25:30,093 --> 00:25:31,834 abuse the individual 521 00:25:31,878 --> 00:25:33,793 when that individual is separated from their family, 522 00:25:33,836 --> 00:25:36,360 when that individual doesn't have resources. 523 00:25:36,404 --> 00:25:38,580 He or she can, um, 524 00:25:38,624 --> 00:25:41,235 essentially do whatever he or she wants to that individual. 525 00:25:41,278 --> 00:25:44,325 The... the victim often believes 526 00:25:44,368 --> 00:25:46,153 "I have nothing else." 527 00:25:46,196 --> 00:25:48,024 Yeah, they had a lot of rules 528 00:25:48,068 --> 00:25:49,852 that they had us abide by. 529 00:25:49,896 --> 00:25:53,116 PRODUCER: What does it mean to be in trouble with Rob, 530 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,683 for one of the girls? 531 00:25:54,727 --> 00:25:57,033 FORMER EMPLOYEE: Being in trouble with Rob 532 00:25:57,077 --> 00:25:59,949 would mean being confined to a room 533 00:25:59,993 --> 00:26:01,429 for several days. 534 00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:03,344 Being confined on the tour bus 535 00:26:03,387 --> 00:26:04,519 for several days. 536 00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:06,608 Having their devices taken. 537 00:26:06,652 --> 00:26:08,523 Cell phones taken away. 538 00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:11,004 And even being spanked. 539 00:26:11,047 --> 00:26:13,876 Being on punishment could be... 540 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,704 either you're not getting food 541 00:26:15,748 --> 00:26:18,098 or you took a beating 542 00:26:18,141 --> 00:26:19,578 and he's not talking to you. 543 00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:21,580 It was just a... 544 00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:23,233 a-a-a molding and shaping me 545 00:26:23,277 --> 00:26:24,452 into this person 546 00:26:24,495 --> 00:26:25,758 and then, once I realize 547 00:26:25,801 --> 00:26:27,629 this is what it's become, 548 00:26:27,673 --> 00:26:29,500 it's too late and I'm in it. 549 00:26:29,544 --> 00:26:33,983 FORMER EMPLOYEE [crying]: I'm sorry. 550 00:26:34,027 --> 00:26:35,898 I'm sorry. 551 00:26:41,295 --> 00:26:44,994 Because when you talk about it, 552 00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:50,391 you realize how sick and twisted it really was. 553 00:26:53,524 --> 00:26:56,963 And when I first met those girls... 554 00:27:02,838 --> 00:27:04,840 [sniffles, exhales] 555 00:27:04,884 --> 00:27:07,713 When I first met those girls, 556 00:27:07,756 --> 00:27:11,020 I judged them,not him. 557 00:27:11,064 --> 00:27:15,198 My first response to myself was, 558 00:27:15,242 --> 00:27:17,766 "These bitches are crazy," 559 00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:22,553 because I saw them jump up and kiss him, 560 00:27:22,597 --> 00:27:24,904 one behind the other, 561 00:27:24,947 --> 00:27:29,169 and I knew what was going on behind closed doors 562 00:27:29,212 --> 00:27:31,824 as far as them not being able to eat when they wanted to, 563 00:27:31,867 --> 00:27:34,609 not being able to move around. 564 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:39,005 Until I started to not just look at the situation, 565 00:27:39,048 --> 00:27:44,227 but I started to also listen to what he would say 566 00:27:44,271 --> 00:27:46,882 to make them act that way. 567 00:27:48,971 --> 00:27:51,191 KANIKA: The summer of 2012, 568 00:27:51,234 --> 00:27:53,019 he was putting together The Single Ladies Tour. 569 00:27:53,062 --> 00:27:56,109 I was just kind of at my wit's end to leave, 570 00:27:56,152 --> 00:28:00,853 and, um, he kind of reeled me back in by asking me to go 571 00:28:00,896 --> 00:28:03,420 -be the cage girl. -[audience cheering] 572 00:28:06,293 --> 00:28:10,166 It made me feel special that, "Okay, this is us 573 00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:12,168 working on the relationship," 574 00:28:12,212 --> 00:28:15,345 some of the promises that he made, um, before, you know, 575 00:28:15,389 --> 00:28:19,480 me even moving or-or making up my mind to move. 576 00:28:19,523 --> 00:28:21,874 So, we practiced that. 577 00:28:21,917 --> 00:28:23,832 And the lights were gonna go dim, 578 00:28:23,876 --> 00:28:26,574 and then the spotlight would be on me 579 00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:29,011 with him on his knees singing to me, 580 00:28:29,055 --> 00:28:31,797 and then he opens my legs and goes down on me 581 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,407 while I'm in the seats. 582 00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:35,322 [fans screaming] 583 00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:40,414 JOYNER: He did this 30 years ago. 584 00:28:40,457 --> 00:28:42,459 He was on stage at the Essence Festival. 585 00:28:42,503 --> 00:28:46,202 Same act, with the bed, grabbing his crotch, 586 00:28:46,246 --> 00:28:48,944 all of that-- simulating sex. 587 00:28:48,988 --> 00:28:50,772 He hasn't changed. 588 00:28:50,816 --> 00:28:53,035 We would run up to the stage together, 589 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,169 and then one of the guys would hand me 590 00:28:56,212 --> 00:28:58,345 a fake contract, and then I would be looking at it like, 591 00:28:58,388 --> 00:29:00,521 "Oh, my God, I'm about to sign this to let him 592 00:29:00,564 --> 00:29:02,566 do what he wants with me." 593 00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:05,352 And I just remember him sayin, 594 00:29:05,395 --> 00:29:08,834 "This is what I'm gonna have you do when we get home. 595 00:29:08,877 --> 00:29:10,270 "Make up a contract 596 00:29:10,313 --> 00:29:11,967 so I can protect myself." 597 00:29:14,317 --> 00:29:16,537 FORMER EMPLOYEE: He does make 598 00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:19,845 the girls write statements with false accusations 599 00:29:19,888 --> 00:29:21,672 against themselves. 600 00:29:21,716 --> 00:29:23,805 Either saying that they've stole something from him, 601 00:29:23,849 --> 00:29:26,939 or that their parents have stole something from him, 602 00:29:26,982 --> 00:29:29,115 or even that the parents tried to bribe him, 603 00:29:29,158 --> 00:29:31,204 or something of that sort. 604 00:29:31,247 --> 00:29:32,422 I would call the false statements 605 00:29:32,466 --> 00:29:34,337 some type of insurance. 606 00:29:34,381 --> 00:29:37,340 And I would even say, in addition to the statements, 607 00:29:37,384 --> 00:29:40,256 the fact that he videos everything that they do 608 00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:42,911 when they are being sexual with him, 609 00:29:42,955 --> 00:29:46,436 I see the videos as being something 610 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,571 that he can hold against them or hold over their heads. 611 00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:54,793 KANIKA: The tour ended middle of December 612 00:29:54,836 --> 00:29:56,359 of 2012. 613 00:29:56,403 --> 00:29:59,798 He introduced me 614 00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:01,538 sometime in February, and my life 615 00:30:01,582 --> 00:30:04,454 just got turned upside down after that. 616 00:30:04,498 --> 00:30:07,501 Sexually, it was always one or two girls. 617 00:30:07,544 --> 00:30:09,764 At the most, it was three. 618 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:12,375 I just had to block it all out, you know? 619 00:30:12,419 --> 00:30:15,857 Because the sexual part of it is just so humiliating 620 00:30:15,901 --> 00:30:20,514 and degrading, and it makes you feel, um, 621 00:30:20,557 --> 00:30:23,909 like, if you say no, like, what the consequences are gonna be. 622 00:30:23,952 --> 00:30:28,435 He was preparing for the Black Panties album, mainly. 623 00:30:28,478 --> 00:30:30,785 And my last straw 624 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:32,700 was being starved. 625 00:30:32,743 --> 00:30:34,789 I think I was going on day three. 626 00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:37,052 I hadn't eaten the whole day, 627 00:30:37,096 --> 00:30:40,751 and I just remember glancing over at him 628 00:30:40,795 --> 00:30:42,928 and just making, like, a subtle movement, and he said, 629 00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:45,974 "Don't stare at me while I effing eat." 630 00:30:46,018 --> 00:30:47,976 And I said, "I'm not staring at you." 631 00:30:48,020 --> 00:30:51,458 Like, I had no fear of him anymore. 632 00:30:51,501 --> 00:30:53,503 It was just starting to build up, 633 00:30:53,547 --> 00:30:55,810 and I just started thinking of ways to, like, 634 00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:59,596 either end my life or end his. 635 00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:05,820 It's difficult for people who aren't in these contexts 636 00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:08,388 to understand. "Well, why wouldn't she just leave? 637 00:31:08,431 --> 00:31:10,781 Why wouldn't she just go eat something?" 638 00:31:10,825 --> 00:31:13,175 But again, it's been a process over time 639 00:31:13,219 --> 00:31:15,612 where this relationship is the most important relationship 640 00:31:15,656 --> 00:31:17,614 in her life. 641 00:31:17,658 --> 00:31:20,313 She won't do anything to risk that relationship 642 00:31:20,356 --> 00:31:22,358 and attention that she'll get from that person. 643 00:31:22,402 --> 00:31:24,665 So it can be quite powerful. 644 00:31:27,363 --> 00:31:30,453 KANIKA: The next day, 645 00:31:30,497 --> 00:31:32,934 um, even though 646 00:31:32,978 --> 00:31:36,851 all this had built up for me to leave, 647 00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:42,074 and I felt strong when it came to me getting to the airport... 648 00:31:42,117 --> 00:31:44,119 [sniffles] 649 00:31:44,163 --> 00:31:45,773 ...I didn't want to go. 650 00:31:45,816 --> 00:31:48,080 Um... 651 00:31:48,123 --> 00:31:52,214 I was afraid of what I was gonna have to face when I got home. 652 00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:55,087 Because I was so scared 653 00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:58,568 of what people were gonna say and think, 654 00:31:58,612 --> 00:32:00,570 and how they were gonna judge me and, like, 655 00:32:00,614 --> 00:32:02,921 "What happened? Why are you back?" 656 00:32:06,881 --> 00:32:08,491 DR. KHADIJA MONK: The number of times 657 00:32:08,535 --> 00:32:11,799 a domestic violence, um, survivor leaves 658 00:32:11,842 --> 00:32:13,627 is between seven and ten times 659 00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:16,804 before they permanently leave. 660 00:32:16,847 --> 00:32:19,154 And that is because 661 00:32:19,198 --> 00:32:22,941 of the power and control that the abuser has. 662 00:32:26,422 --> 00:32:28,990 KANIKA: So when I got to the airport, 663 00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:31,514 it was so scary. 664 00:32:31,558 --> 00:32:34,735 I remember trying to call him, and text, 665 00:32:34,778 --> 00:32:36,693 and I kept telling myself, 666 00:32:36,737 --> 00:32:40,088 "If he picks the phone up, I'm going back," 667 00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:43,483 because I wasn't ready like I thought I was. 668 00:32:46,225 --> 00:32:48,314 He never picked it up. 669 00:32:59,455 --> 00:33:01,283 MICHELLE: I didn't get to be a mother 670 00:33:01,327 --> 00:33:03,633 all this long not to be a detective. 671 00:33:28,571 --> 00:33:29,877 Yes, please. 672 00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:41,193 MICHELLE: The hotel manager, he was like, 673 00:33:41,236 --> 00:33:43,412 "Um, I'm-a take you to her room." 674 00:33:43,456 --> 00:33:44,761 I was like, "Oh, my God." 675 00:33:44,805 --> 00:33:47,460 So, I was getting nervous. 676 00:33:47,503 --> 00:33:49,244 I-I can't e-- I don't have no words, 677 00:33:49,288 --> 00:33:51,725 'cause it's just overwhelming. 678 00:34:01,387 --> 00:34:03,258 [knocking on door] 679 00:34:29,676 --> 00:34:31,504 [knocking on door] 680 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:47,911 [Michelle laughs softly] 681 00:34:50,218 --> 00:34:52,090 Baby. Oh... 682 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,850 Okay. Yeah, we good. Thank you. 683 00:36:04,901 --> 00:36:06,642 Thank you. 684 00:36:06,686 --> 00:36:09,384 No, you made this the best Mother's Day ever. 685 00:36:09,428 --> 00:36:12,561 You don't understand. 686 00:36:12,605 --> 00:36:14,389 You don't understand. 687 00:36:14,433 --> 00:36:17,000 [panting] 688 00:36:20,830 --> 00:36:22,876 [crying]: Oh, my God. 689 00:36:22,919 --> 00:36:25,400 I found her. 690 00:36:25,444 --> 00:36:28,360 I found my baby. God is real. 691 00:36:40,328 --> 00:36:44,114 [sobbing] 692 00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:46,029 Thank you, God. 693 00:36:54,429 --> 00:36:57,998 Any man that don't let their mother 694 00:36:58,041 --> 00:36:59,826 see their child, the child see their mother, 695 00:36:59,869 --> 00:37:03,221 and she's still living, you ain't got no heart. 696 00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:05,310 I saw my daughter. 697 00:37:05,353 --> 00:37:08,487 I hugged my daughter, I kissed my daughter. 698 00:37:10,967 --> 00:37:15,058 And she said that your daughter was in the room. 699 00:37:15,102 --> 00:37:18,714 NORCOTT: Things that can support girls 700 00:37:18,758 --> 00:37:20,934 and women getting away from abusive situations: 701 00:37:20,977 --> 00:37:25,721 one is time, one is reminding the girl 702 00:37:25,765 --> 00:37:27,941 that she has her own identity, 703 00:37:27,984 --> 00:37:30,813 that she's cared for, that she's loved. 704 00:37:30,857 --> 00:37:35,296 You've seen parents put out media blasts in different ways, 705 00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:37,690 reminding the girls that they're loved, 706 00:37:37,733 --> 00:37:40,823 and the hope is that something will get through, right? 707 00:37:40,867 --> 00:37:43,957 Or that there may be a period where a girl 708 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,004 will be questioning her current situation, may reach out, 709 00:37:48,048 --> 00:37:51,921 may do a Google search and find a YouTube video 710 00:37:51,965 --> 00:37:54,359 of a-a message from her parent. 711 00:37:58,014 --> 00:37:59,842 MICHELLE: Hold on, hold on. 712 00:38:05,152 --> 00:38:07,241 Okay. 713 00:38:07,285 --> 00:38:09,504 Okay. Oh, she want to talk to me. 714 00:38:09,548 --> 00:38:11,245 I got to go. Bye. 715 00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:13,160 My daughter want to talk to me. Bye. 716 00:38:18,687 --> 00:38:20,733 Hello? 717 00:38:20,776 --> 00:38:23,866 Hey. Don't cry, don't cry. 718 00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:26,956 Don't, don't, don't cry, okay? 719 00:38:29,785 --> 00:38:31,657 [sniffles] 720 00:38:34,007 --> 00:38:36,923 PRODUCER: Feel like she was happy to see you? 721 00:38:39,186 --> 00:38:41,797 She couldn't show no emotion, probably. 722 00:38:41,841 --> 00:38:43,930 But on the phone, I wish I could've 723 00:38:43,973 --> 00:38:45,758 put it on speaker. 724 00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:48,326 [crying]: Don't cry. 725 00:38:51,807 --> 00:38:55,202 Please just come home. 726 00:38:55,245 --> 00:38:57,465 She cried like... 727 00:38:57,509 --> 00:39:01,904 like a little girl just hurting for her mommy. 728 00:39:01,948 --> 00:39:05,473 And I said, "Baby, I-- uh, can I come back, please?" 729 00:39:05,517 --> 00:39:07,562 And she said, "Yes, Mama, come back at 6:00." 730 00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:19,313 -Thank you. -You're welcome. 731 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,284 Our daughter met R. Kelly at a concert in Orlando 732 00:39:34,328 --> 00:39:36,591 that, uh, we all went to, 733 00:39:36,635 --> 00:39:38,027 celebrating for my husband's birthday. 734 00:39:40,987 --> 00:39:44,469 He actually pulled her out the crowd onstage. 735 00:39:44,512 --> 00:39:47,167 Azriel was 17. 736 00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:48,690 We had no idea that she was going through 737 00:39:48,734 --> 00:39:51,519 some personal things, I guess, in her life. 738 00:39:51,563 --> 00:39:55,131 You know, um, that, um... [voice breaking] 739 00:40:00,659 --> 00:40:06,447 ♪ Oh, say can you see... 740 00:40:06,491 --> 00:40:08,449 ALICE: She's a remarkable singer, 741 00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:10,799 and she had been singing since she was about five or six, 742 00:40:10,843 --> 00:40:13,715 but singing kind of, like, professionally 743 00:40:13,759 --> 00:40:15,500 since she was about eight. 744 00:40:15,543 --> 00:40:17,980 She's been in so many different contests, 745 00:40:18,024 --> 00:40:21,462 shows, won so many awards. 746 00:40:21,506 --> 00:40:22,507 That was her thing. 747 00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:23,725 She wanted to be 748 00:40:23,769 --> 00:40:26,119 a famous singer. 749 00:40:26,162 --> 00:40:27,599 She had a bubbly personality, 750 00:40:27,642 --> 00:40:31,994 very fun, like, full of life young lady. 751 00:40:36,912 --> 00:40:37,957 ANGELO: When R. Kelly picked my daughter 752 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,262 to go up onstage, 753 00:40:39,306 --> 00:40:40,742 they danced, and it was a bunch 754 00:40:40,786 --> 00:40:42,744 of young ladies he picked out. 755 00:40:42,788 --> 00:40:47,096 Everybody knew R. Kelly's background with females. 756 00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:49,490 You know, you kind of suppressed the thought. 757 00:40:49,534 --> 00:40:51,840 He's never been found guilty on any of the charges, so... 758 00:40:51,884 --> 00:40:56,105 I mean, if you look at it, you know, from a legal standpoint, 759 00:40:56,149 --> 00:40:59,761 you think, okay, maybe it wasn't any truth or validity to it. 760 00:40:59,805 --> 00:41:01,589 Because people make accusations on people all the time. 761 00:41:01,633 --> 00:41:03,461 It doesn't mean it's actually true. 762 00:41:03,504 --> 00:41:06,202 I felt as though, you know, yeah, I know his background, 763 00:41:06,246 --> 00:41:08,248 but my daughter gonna be different. 764 00:41:08,291 --> 00:41:10,816 I'm right here with her, her mom's right here with her. 765 00:41:10,859 --> 00:41:14,036 So, I was-- You know, me being a-a father, 766 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,299 a protective father, 767 00:41:16,343 --> 00:41:17,605 I'm-I'm-I'm okay with it 'cause I don't think 768 00:41:17,649 --> 00:41:20,390 none of this could happen to me. 769 00:41:20,434 --> 00:41:24,656 Then the way they had to exit was through the back. 770 00:41:24,699 --> 00:41:26,396 So, during that time, we was waiting and waiting and waiting, 771 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,007 and kind of getting a little nervous. 772 00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:31,271 Went to the corner where the VIP was, 773 00:41:31,314 --> 00:41:33,447 and then that's where she exited at, 774 00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:35,014 from the back side of the stage. 775 00:41:36,581 --> 00:41:39,235 They told us that he asked her to hear her sing. 776 00:41:39,279 --> 00:41:43,979 He liked it, so he gave her a number to contact him. 777 00:41:44,023 --> 00:41:47,330 ALICE: Azriel was in the 11th grade. 778 00:41:47,374 --> 00:41:49,245 We didn't find out right away, 779 00:41:49,289 --> 00:41:52,292 but she was secretly, I guess, calling him and texting him, 780 00:41:52,335 --> 00:41:54,207 and had been talking to him on the phone. 781 00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:57,079 One day, the time that she's supposed to be at home, 782 00:41:57,123 --> 00:41:59,429 I call, and she wasn't home yet. 783 00:41:59,473 --> 00:42:01,606 Finally, we get a phone call. 784 00:42:01,649 --> 00:42:05,566 She finally called me and said, "Oh, I'm at a hotel in Kissimmee 785 00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:07,786 meeting with R. Kelly." 786 00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:11,137 How and why, like, did this happen? 787 00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:14,140 Like, I was really shocked. 788 00:42:26,282 --> 00:42:29,372 ALICE: One day, we get a phone call. 789 00:42:29,416 --> 00:42:33,333 She finally called me and said, "Oh, I'm at a hotel in Kissimmee 790 00:42:33,376 --> 00:42:35,422 meeting with R. Kelly." 791 00:42:35,465 --> 00:42:37,903 And the first thing I thought was, 792 00:42:37,946 --> 00:42:41,515 I have to leave work, like, right now, immediately. 793 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,213 I called my husband, and he was at work, and he said, 794 00:42:44,257 --> 00:42:45,650 "I'm on my way, too." He left work. 795 00:42:45,693 --> 00:42:48,435 That's a grown man, 796 00:42:48,478 --> 00:42:50,306 and I've heard of the allegations 797 00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:52,352 in the past about him. 798 00:42:52,395 --> 00:42:55,355 So it kind of, kind of freaked me out 799 00:42:55,398 --> 00:42:58,314 because I'm thinking she's never done anything without us. 800 00:43:00,534 --> 00:43:02,623 Why would R. Kelly, as a man, 801 00:43:02,667 --> 00:43:05,017 want to meet our daughter by herself? 802 00:43:05,060 --> 00:43:07,802 Why would she even go without one of us, you know? 803 00:43:07,846 --> 00:43:10,500 We told her from the beginning, when she got it, 804 00:43:10,544 --> 00:43:12,807 we don't want you around him never by yourself. 805 00:43:12,851 --> 00:43:14,243 You always got to be with one of us. 806 00:43:16,202 --> 00:43:19,640 As I get to the hotel, I see her car. 807 00:43:19,684 --> 00:43:22,034 And then I see his tour bus, so I know she was at the hotel. 808 00:43:22,077 --> 00:43:25,080 So I was kind of relieved that, no, okay, she is here. 809 00:43:28,518 --> 00:43:30,999 ALICE: But we go inside the hotel, 810 00:43:31,043 --> 00:43:33,785 asking for R. Kelly room. 811 00:43:33,828 --> 00:43:36,178 They were saying there was no such guest there. 812 00:43:36,222 --> 00:43:38,485 And we're like, "Okay, we know there's a guest there 813 00:43:38,528 --> 00:43:41,488 "'cause his tour bus is outside, my daughter car is out there, 814 00:43:41,531 --> 00:43:45,231 "and, you know, we need our daughter to come down. 815 00:43:45,274 --> 00:43:46,928 She's a minor." 816 00:43:46,972 --> 00:43:50,889 So, they got the head of security to come and... 817 00:43:50,932 --> 00:43:52,151 'Cause we were actually going through the building 818 00:43:52,194 --> 00:43:53,500 and knocking on doors. 819 00:43:53,543 --> 00:43:54,936 They told us we couldn't do that. 820 00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:56,677 So, basically, he came back and said, 821 00:43:56,721 --> 00:43:59,158 "Yes, we do have him here. 822 00:43:59,201 --> 00:44:02,552 "Um, we're trying to find out what room, locate your daughter. 823 00:44:02,596 --> 00:44:04,598 "And could you be patient and just let us, 824 00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,034 you know, find out what was going on?" 825 00:44:06,078 --> 00:44:07,775 Because, apparently, he had, like, 826 00:44:07,819 --> 00:44:10,082 two floors, or something, of rooms. 827 00:44:12,998 --> 00:44:16,218 ANGELO: And she was with R. Kelly in the room, alone. 828 00:44:16,262 --> 00:44:20,005 She was auditioning, is the word that was used. 829 00:44:20,048 --> 00:44:21,571 She was auditioning for him. 830 00:44:21,615 --> 00:44:24,009 And so we said no, no, no, no. 831 00:44:24,052 --> 00:44:26,315 That-- No. She needs to come down, 832 00:44:26,359 --> 00:44:27,926 or he needs to come down, or whatever. 833 00:44:27,969 --> 00:44:30,929 Well, eventually, Azriel came down. 834 00:44:30,972 --> 00:44:32,757 He never came down. 835 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,499 She went into the whole spiel: hey, we messin' it up. 836 00:44:36,543 --> 00:44:39,328 -"It was a real interview." -She was upset. 837 00:44:39,372 --> 00:44:41,156 "And why would you come down? 838 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,202 "Y'all gonna mess up my shot. 839 00:44:43,245 --> 00:44:44,464 "You know, this-this is my chance. 840 00:44:44,507 --> 00:44:46,379 "This is what we all working for. 841 00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:48,903 You know, this is my career. Y'all supposed to back me." 842 00:44:48,947 --> 00:44:51,863 And I'm like, you know what, maybe it was innocent. 843 00:44:51,906 --> 00:44:54,779 You know, and maybe it was an interview, 844 00:44:54,822 --> 00:44:55,867 but she should've called us. 845 00:44:59,131 --> 00:45:01,699 I believe that R. Kelly thinks that he's invincible. 846 00:45:01,742 --> 00:45:03,701 He was acquitted. 847 00:45:03,744 --> 00:45:06,312 What makes any of us think that he will 848 00:45:06,355 --> 00:45:08,270 ever be touched? 849 00:45:08,314 --> 00:45:13,275 So, I think that he believes that he has a pass for life, 850 00:45:13,319 --> 00:45:17,497 because no one's been able to touch him at all. 851 00:45:19,281 --> 00:45:20,587 ALICE: We're riding home. 852 00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:22,632 Azriel's basically saying how 853 00:45:22,676 --> 00:45:25,113 R. Kelly is, like, a musical genius, 854 00:45:25,157 --> 00:45:27,768 and he could possibly help her move into the next level. 855 00:45:27,812 --> 00:45:29,465 And she went home and researched and... 856 00:45:29,509 --> 00:45:32,207 She went home and researched him and all his music. 857 00:45:32,251 --> 00:45:33,426 Saw all the people he worked with 858 00:45:33,469 --> 00:45:35,167 and all that. 859 00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:37,691 ALICE: All the songwriters, like, all the songs he wrote 860 00:45:37,735 --> 00:45:39,911 for, you know, people he wrote for. 861 00:45:39,954 --> 00:45:43,610 And so she was just, like, amped, she was excited. 862 00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:45,830 She thought this was her brea. 863 00:45:45,873 --> 00:45:48,397 We were like, "You need to get R. Kelly on the phone." 864 00:45:48,441 --> 00:45:50,922 And so then we had a conversation with him 865 00:45:50,965 --> 00:45:54,839 that, first, we were not happy with what just had took place. 866 00:45:54,882 --> 00:45:56,536 And that should not have transpired 867 00:45:56,579 --> 00:45:58,625 without one of her parents being present. 868 00:46:00,192 --> 00:46:01,715 ANGELO: And I asked him, you know, 869 00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:03,543 "Is this how you conduct business?" 870 00:46:03,586 --> 00:46:05,806 He was like, "No." He was leaving. 871 00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:07,155 You know, he thought it was okay. 872 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:09,505 Azriel had assured that, you know, 873 00:46:09,549 --> 00:46:11,333 it wouldn't be a problem if she came over 874 00:46:11,377 --> 00:46:12,813 and did the interview now, 875 00:46:12,857 --> 00:46:15,729 and we were supposed to meet 'em over there. 876 00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:18,776 ALICE: We told her, like, basically, 877 00:46:18,819 --> 00:46:20,734 for you to do anything else with him, 878 00:46:20,778 --> 00:46:22,780 she cannot be with him by herself. 879 00:46:22,823 --> 00:46:25,260 Honestly, I didn't think it was a good fit. 880 00:46:25,304 --> 00:46:27,001 I didn't want to have any part of it, 881 00:46:27,045 --> 00:46:29,264 but Azriel actually pressed us. 882 00:46:29,308 --> 00:46:34,748 She made her little threats about if we didn't, you know, 883 00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:37,664 let her do this, what she would do. 884 00:46:37,707 --> 00:46:40,493 And now, looking back at it, 885 00:46:40,536 --> 00:46:41,711 he was very manipulative, so... 886 00:46:41,755 --> 00:46:43,496 It was-- it was a plot. It was his-- 887 00:46:43,539 --> 00:46:45,541 That's the strategy he did. 888 00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:57,684 MICHELLE: I'm about to go meet my daughter. 889 00:46:57,727 --> 00:46:59,468 She said go at 6:00, 890 00:46:59,512 --> 00:47:02,732 but I'm going to go now because I just need to know. 891 00:47:02,776 --> 00:47:05,431 I'm just anxious, and I just can't wait till no 6:00. 892 00:47:05,474 --> 00:47:07,085 PRODUCER: How you feeling right now? 893 00:47:07,128 --> 00:47:09,522 Nervous all over again, 894 00:47:09,565 --> 00:47:13,221 like five or six hours ago when we first went to the door. 895 00:47:13,265 --> 00:47:17,530 But, um, God didn't lead me here and then take it away. 896 00:47:17,573 --> 00:47:19,271 I came too close. 897 00:48:06,405 --> 00:48:07,885 MICHELLE: Yes, can I have 898 00:48:07,928 --> 00:48:10,409 Dominique Gardner's room, please? 899 00:48:10,452 --> 00:48:11,889 Hello? 900 00:48:11,932 --> 00:48:14,239 -Hey. -Hey. 901 00:48:16,502 --> 00:48:18,852 I came back to the hotel, and they said 902 00:48:18,896 --> 00:48:21,942 you called the police on me. 903 00:48:21,986 --> 00:48:22,987 I knew it wasn't you. 904 00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:25,076 So, what you want to do? 905 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,861 'Cause, I mean, they said the police came and everything. 906 00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:30,124 And they said somebody keep calling. 907 00:48:30,168 --> 00:48:32,213 He could be lying. I don't know. 908 00:48:32,257 --> 00:48:34,172 But she didn't see me. 909 00:48:38,393 --> 00:48:39,917 She hung up. 910 00:48:42,223 --> 00:48:43,746 [bleep] 911 00:48:50,623 --> 00:48:52,146 I don't want to get ugly, 912 00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:54,018 but I ain't leaving this damn hotel. 913 00:48:54,061 --> 00:48:55,410 I done came too damn close. 914 00:48:55,454 --> 00:48:57,369 I'm this far. Are you kidding me? 915 00:49:28,922 --> 00:49:32,273 I went to the bathroom, I waited about ten or 15 minutes. 916 00:49:52,511 --> 00:49:55,340 She came in with a book bag, a wifebeater, 917 00:49:55,383 --> 00:49:57,516 some shorts, and some flip-flops with some socks on 918 00:49:57,559 --> 00:49:59,605 and a backpack, and that's all she had. 919 00:49:59,648 --> 00:50:03,348 And we ran out of there like the master was coming for us. 920 00:50:03,391 --> 00:50:05,045 -It's okay. -DOMINIQUE [crying]: Okay. 921 00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:07,047 MICHELLE: Gabe said he loves you so much. Okay. 922 00:50:07,091 --> 00:50:08,657 DRIVER: You can ride in here, but turn the camera off. 923 00:50:08,701 --> 00:50:10,311 MICHELLE: No, I don't-- she don't want that. 924 00:50:10,355 --> 00:50:12,096 No, tell 'em to take-- Keep that camera over there. 925 00:50:12,139 --> 00:50:13,401 DRIVER: All right, get your bag. 926 00:50:13,445 --> 00:50:16,056 MICHELLE: Okay. Okay, baby. 927 00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:18,015 [both crying] 928 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,071 DOMINIQUE: Okay. 929 00:50:32,377 --> 00:50:33,595 MICHELLE: You brave, okay. Look at me. 930 00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:37,034 Look at me. You brave. You so brave. 931 00:50:37,077 --> 00:50:38,383 You're so beautiful. 932 00:50:38,426 --> 00:50:40,385 This is God, you know that, right? 933 00:50:40,428 --> 00:50:42,169 You know that, right? Look at me, look at me. 934 00:50:42,213 --> 00:50:44,606 You know that was God. You was-- You didn't even think 935 00:50:44,650 --> 00:50:46,913 I was coming for you, did you? Did you? 936 00:50:46,956 --> 00:50:48,828 [Dominique crying] 937 00:50:55,748 --> 00:50:57,663 MICHELLE: You're so happy. I'm happy for you. 938 00:50:57,706 --> 00:50:59,491 Look, this the best... 939 00:50:59,534 --> 00:51:00,840 I know. I love you, too. 940 00:51:03,495 --> 00:51:05,497 I know, baby, I know. 941 00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:08,065 But you did good, baby. 942 00:51:17,552 --> 00:51:19,424 The best feeling. 943 00:51:19,467 --> 00:51:21,034 Like having a newborn baby, 944 00:51:21,078 --> 00:51:23,993 and the doctor giving you your baby... 945 00:51:24,037 --> 00:51:26,692 that you carried for nine months. 946 00:51:30,304 --> 00:51:32,176 ♪ 947 00:51:34,308 --> 00:51:36,005 There's three drugs out there: 948 00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:40,532 crack, heroin, and R. Kelly. 949 00:51:40,575 --> 00:51:42,360 And she was trying to fight that drug. 950 00:51:42,403 --> 00:51:44,188 ♪ 951 00:51:44,231 --> 00:51:46,103 She have seen some stuff. 952 00:51:46,146 --> 00:51:47,713 She done did some stuff. 953 00:51:47,756 --> 00:51:52,109 And I believe that he have said some things to even 954 00:51:52,152 --> 00:51:54,111 maybe try to come harm to her family, 955 00:51:54,154 --> 00:51:56,330 or all the girls' family. 956 00:52:00,726 --> 00:52:03,685 She don't understand how many people love her. 957 00:52:03,729 --> 00:52:05,731 But his sick ass always make them think 958 00:52:05,774 --> 00:52:08,125 that nobody loves you but him. 959 00:52:08,168 --> 00:52:10,431 And, um, I told her 960 00:52:10,475 --> 00:52:11,780 wasn't nothing gonna ever happen to her. 961 00:52:11,824 --> 00:52:13,565 And I meant that. 962 00:52:25,533 --> 00:52:27,840 R. Kelly, I'm gonna call the police and tell them 963 00:52:27,883 --> 00:52:28,971 you kidnapped my sister. 964 00:52:29,015 --> 00:52:30,886 -Azriel! -[door creaks] 965 00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:33,324 This room right here was, like, the most 966 00:52:33,367 --> 00:52:35,630 degrading thing ever. 967 00:52:35,674 --> 00:52:37,589 This is just... 968 00:52:37,632 --> 00:52:39,852 You're not addressing these allegations. 969 00:52:39,895 --> 00:52:41,636 WOMAN: Mute R. Kelly! 970 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,072 And so we decided to protest. 971 00:52:43,116 --> 00:52:44,378 -Black girls'... -PROTESTERS: Black girls'... 972 00:52:44,422 --> 00:52:46,206 WOMAN: ...lives matter! 973 00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:47,425 This interview is over. 974 00:52:47,468 --> 00:52:48,861 JOHN LEGEND: Time's up for R. Kelly. 975 00:52:48,904 --> 00:52:49,949 Time's up for that. 976 00:52:49,992 --> 00:52:51,646 PROTESTERS: Mute R. Kelly! 977 00:52:51,690 --> 00:52:53,387 Mute R. 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