1 00:00:14,666 --> 00:00:17,756 There is a difference between R. Kelly and Robert. 2 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,717 R. Kelly is this fun, laughing, loving guy. 3 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,068 [echoing]: But Robert is the devil. 4 00:00:25,112 --> 00:00:28,419 She fell in love with someone that is a predator. 5 00:00:28,463 --> 00:00:30,160 It's heartbreaking. 6 00:00:30,204 --> 00:00:32,815 This man is a monster. That's what he is. 7 00:00:32,858 --> 00:00:34,164 I'm gonna call the police 8 00:00:34,208 --> 00:00:35,209 and tell them you kidnapped my sister. 9 00:00:35,252 --> 00:00:37,341 This can't keep going on. 10 00:00:37,385 --> 00:00:40,649 You need to see the effects of your behavior. 11 00:00:40,692 --> 00:00:42,651 He's proving that he's never going to take responsibility 12 00:00:42,694 --> 00:00:44,435 for his actions. 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,307 That's a predator that's telling y'all, 14 00:00:46,350 --> 00:00:48,352 "I'm-a get these girls to do what I want 'em to do 15 00:00:48,396 --> 00:00:49,658 when I want 'em to do." 16 00:00:49,701 --> 00:00:51,486 And so we decided to protest. 17 00:00:51,529 --> 00:00:55,272 He needs to worry about righting his wrongs. Period. 18 00:00:55,316 --> 00:00:57,448 I hope Robert is trying 19 00:00:57,492 --> 00:01:01,191 to get his sense together. 20 00:01:01,235 --> 00:01:03,976 Whatever's in the dark will come to light. 21 00:01:04,020 --> 00:01:05,674 Time's up for R. Kelly. 22 00:01:05,717 --> 00:01:07,632 ♪ 23 00:01:13,725 --> 00:01:15,640 [cheering] 24 00:01:32,831 --> 00:01:35,182 R&B singer R. Kelly is denying claims 25 00:01:35,225 --> 00:01:37,271 he's keeping a household of young women 26 00:01:37,314 --> 00:01:38,968 in a cultlike atmosphere. 27 00:01:40,622 --> 00:01:41,753 My name is Timothy Savage. 28 00:01:41,797 --> 00:01:43,494 Stockholm syndrome. 29 00:01:43,538 --> 00:01:45,583 That's what my daughter has right now. 30 00:01:45,627 --> 00:01:48,195 Never been feeling hostage or anything like that. 31 00:01:48,238 --> 00:01:50,066 TIMOTHY: It's been almost two years. 32 00:01:50,110 --> 00:01:51,589 We still haven't seen our daughter. 33 00:01:51,633 --> 00:01:53,722 REPORTER: Hey, Joycelyn. 34 00:01:53,765 --> 00:01:55,376 When I saw the TMZvideo, 35 00:01:55,419 --> 00:01:57,291 I looked over, and it was my daughter, Dominique. 36 00:01:57,334 --> 00:01:59,989 I just put two and two together. 37 00:02:00,032 --> 00:02:01,773 I ain't leaving this damn hotel. 38 00:02:01,817 --> 00:02:04,080 I did came too damn close. I'm this far. 39 00:02:04,124 --> 00:02:06,430 KANIKA "KITTI" JONES: He beat me in the car, 40 00:02:06,474 --> 00:02:08,302 and he was slapping me repeatedly. 41 00:02:08,345 --> 00:02:10,695 And I just started thinking of ways to, like, 42 00:02:10,739 --> 00:02:13,002 end my life or end his. 43 00:02:13,045 --> 00:02:15,874 [crying] 44 00:02:15,918 --> 00:02:17,137 Come on, we're leaving. 45 00:02:17,180 --> 00:02:19,051 [woman crying] 46 00:02:21,532 --> 00:02:23,143 [vocalizing] 47 00:02:23,186 --> 00:02:25,057 ALICE CLARY: Our daughter met R. Kelly 48 00:02:25,101 --> 00:02:26,755 at a concert in Orlando. 49 00:02:26,798 --> 00:02:28,583 ANGELO CLARY: R. Kelly picked my daughter, Azriel, 50 00:02:28,626 --> 00:02:29,801 to go up on stage. 51 00:02:29,845 --> 00:02:31,238 I knew his background, 52 00:02:31,281 --> 00:02:33,065 but I'm right here with her. Her mom right here. 53 00:02:33,109 --> 00:02:35,067 None of this could happen to me. 54 00:02:35,111 --> 00:02:37,418 ALICE: One day we get a phone call. 55 00:02:37,461 --> 00:02:39,724 "Oh, I'm at a hotel with R. Kelly." 56 00:02:59,875 --> 00:03:02,791 R. Kelly expresses interest in working with Azriel 57 00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:04,662 to possibly further her music career. 58 00:03:04,706 --> 00:03:07,535 And, um, he wanted to be her mentor. 59 00:03:09,493 --> 00:03:11,408 Honestly, I didn't think 60 00:03:11,452 --> 00:03:12,888 it was a good fit. 61 00:03:12,931 --> 00:03:14,455 Uh, I didn't want to have any part of it, 62 00:03:14,498 --> 00:03:16,457 but Azriel pressed us. 63 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:18,198 She made threats 64 00:03:18,241 --> 00:03:21,679 if we didn't, you know, let her do this. 65 00:03:21,723 --> 00:03:23,333 We told her, like, basically, 66 00:03:23,377 --> 00:03:25,596 for you to do anything else with him, 67 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:26,641 she could not be with him by herself. 68 00:03:28,947 --> 00:03:31,211 She was flying back and forth, um, 69 00:03:31,254 --> 00:03:34,039 to different cities, but one of us was always in attendance. 70 00:03:34,083 --> 00:03:36,390 Either myself, my husband, my son 71 00:03:36,433 --> 00:03:37,739 or my oldest daughter, A'Iceis. 72 00:03:37,782 --> 00:03:38,870 A'ICEIS: Azriel and I arranged 73 00:03:38,914 --> 00:03:40,742 for me to go to Chicago, 74 00:03:40,785 --> 00:03:44,224 and I was supposed to stay for about a month or two. 75 00:03:44,267 --> 00:03:47,444 But when I got out there, it wasn't what 76 00:03:47,488 --> 00:03:50,447 Azriel made it to be. Nor him, R. Kelly. 77 00:03:53,189 --> 00:03:54,712 Some driver picked me up. 78 00:03:54,756 --> 00:03:57,411 We went to the studio, 79 00:03:57,454 --> 00:04:00,762 and we sitting in there, and he making music. 80 00:04:00,805 --> 00:04:02,329 And he spoke to me. "Hey, A'Iceis." 81 00:04:02,372 --> 00:04:04,983 You know, it was cool at first. 82 00:04:05,027 --> 00:04:06,855 But Azriel made it to be like she could go places, 83 00:04:06,898 --> 00:04:08,291 she could do things. 84 00:04:08,335 --> 00:04:12,295 We couldn't do nothing. 85 00:04:12,339 --> 00:04:15,603 She couldn't walk out the room without calling R. Kelly. 86 00:04:15,646 --> 00:04:18,475 It was all about what R. Kelly wanted. 87 00:04:20,869 --> 00:04:23,915 Finally, I went and walked out to go get me something to eat. 88 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:27,310 She was just like, "You can't. 89 00:04:27,354 --> 00:04:29,094 You have to come back. R. Kelly's gonna get us." 90 00:04:29,138 --> 00:04:32,141 "Get us? No, he's not gonna get us, 91 00:04:32,184 --> 00:04:33,882 'cause I'm a grown-ass woman." 92 00:04:33,925 --> 00:04:36,972 She was like, "No, you just have to call him 93 00:04:37,015 --> 00:04:39,844 and let him know where you're going." 94 00:04:39,888 --> 00:04:41,846 I'm not finna keep picking up the [bleep] phone 95 00:04:41,890 --> 00:04:43,761 and calling R. Kelly. He ain't my daddy. 96 00:04:43,805 --> 00:04:45,720 My daddy's in Florida. 97 00:04:45,763 --> 00:04:50,028 When I woke up in the morning, she wasn't there. 98 00:04:50,072 --> 00:04:52,901 So I was like, "Okay, he must have came and got her." 99 00:04:52,944 --> 00:04:57,035 I was calling Azriel. No answer. 100 00:04:57,079 --> 00:04:59,864 Well, I know where their studio is. 101 00:04:59,908 --> 00:05:02,519 I walk to the studio, and, um, I walked in. 102 00:05:02,563 --> 00:05:05,479 R. Kelly's nephew was there. 103 00:05:05,522 --> 00:05:07,350 He said, "Oh, they left." 104 00:05:07,394 --> 00:05:09,352 And I was like, "They left?" He was like, "Yeah." 105 00:05:09,396 --> 00:05:11,485 And I was like, "Why? You know, where's my sister? 106 00:05:11,528 --> 00:05:12,964 "Like, I-I don't know why would he be leaving 107 00:05:13,008 --> 00:05:14,531 with my sister. I'm here." 108 00:05:14,575 --> 00:05:17,012 So I started yelling, and I started cussing. 109 00:05:17,055 --> 00:05:18,796 I was like, "Somebody need to bring my sister out here." 110 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:20,668 And my sister came out, and she was like, 111 00:05:20,711 --> 00:05:21,930 "What's wrong? What's going on?" 112 00:05:21,973 --> 00:05:23,235 I was like, "We're leaving. 113 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,803 Like, we're lea-- Let's go." 114 00:05:25,847 --> 00:05:28,284 I started dragging my sister out of the studio. 115 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:30,460 And then R. Kelly's pulling my sister, too, 116 00:05:30,504 --> 00:05:32,680 and I'm pulling her, too. I'm telling R. Kelly, 117 00:05:32,723 --> 00:05:34,072 "I'm gonna call the police and tell them 118 00:05:34,116 --> 00:05:36,336 you kidnapped my sister. Period." 119 00:05:42,646 --> 00:05:46,607 R. Kelly told his security to make me disappear. 120 00:05:46,650 --> 00:05:50,393 They pinned me down, carried me out. 121 00:05:50,437 --> 00:05:53,788 They pulled up in the back of an alley at McDonald's. 122 00:05:53,831 --> 00:05:55,877 I was shoved out. 123 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,575 Didn't know where I was. They was like, 124 00:05:58,619 --> 00:06:00,098 "If you say anything, 125 00:06:00,142 --> 00:06:01,839 "your sister won't make it out alive. 126 00:06:01,883 --> 00:06:02,884 Or your family." 127 00:06:08,933 --> 00:06:12,807 My daughter A'Iceis called, uh, back home. 128 00:06:12,850 --> 00:06:14,417 She was like, "No, Azriel, 129 00:06:14,461 --> 00:06:17,420 she want to be up here, but we need to leave." 130 00:06:17,464 --> 00:06:19,030 My parents, they had to get me another room 131 00:06:19,074 --> 00:06:20,423 'cause I told them I didn't feel safe, 132 00:06:20,467 --> 00:06:22,773 but they didn't know what was going on 133 00:06:22,817 --> 00:06:24,862 because they said, "Don't mention anything about it, 134 00:06:24,906 --> 00:06:26,995 or your sister won't make it out alive." 135 00:06:29,258 --> 00:06:31,913 Had happened, no. I didn't tell them. 136 00:06:31,956 --> 00:06:34,872 ALICE: The phone call took me aback, 137 00:06:34,916 --> 00:06:36,787 like something happened. 138 00:06:36,831 --> 00:06:38,615 So me and him flew up the next day. 139 00:06:42,663 --> 00:06:45,970 ANGELO: Once we flew to Chicago, we, uh, talked to R. Kelly, 140 00:06:46,014 --> 00:06:48,016 and he explained everything that was going on. 141 00:06:48,059 --> 00:06:51,323 It wasn't like, uh, our oldest daughter, A'Iceis, thought. 142 00:06:51,367 --> 00:06:53,761 Azriel assured us, "Dad, it wasn't like that. 143 00:06:53,804 --> 00:06:55,502 I promise you." 144 00:06:55,545 --> 00:06:57,242 Even A'Iceis downplayed it once we got there, 145 00:06:57,286 --> 00:06:58,809 like, "It wasn't that serious. 146 00:06:58,853 --> 00:07:01,464 Maybe I just was over the top with it." 147 00:07:01,508 --> 00:07:02,987 Okay, maybe this, you know. 148 00:07:03,031 --> 00:07:04,902 My daughter overreacted, you know. 149 00:07:04,946 --> 00:07:07,688 We all got eyes on him now, 150 00:07:07,731 --> 00:07:10,038 so we feeling safe that she there. 151 00:07:10,081 --> 00:07:12,040 ALICE: At this point, Azriel was getting ready 152 00:07:12,083 --> 00:07:14,085 to start her senior year in school. 153 00:07:14,129 --> 00:07:16,044 ANGELO: Before we left Chicago, 154 00:07:16,087 --> 00:07:19,308 he mentioned that Azriel would need 155 00:07:19,351 --> 00:07:21,789 to f-fully commit so that he can hurry up 156 00:07:21,832 --> 00:07:23,225 and get something done for her, 157 00:07:23,268 --> 00:07:25,314 but he was gonna do it as he's touring. 158 00:07:25,357 --> 00:07:28,796 And I told him that she can't go 159 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:30,450 without having somebody with her. 160 00:07:30,493 --> 00:07:33,322 So if somebody could be with her, we fine. 161 00:07:33,365 --> 00:07:36,064 ALICE: So R. Kelly said that he would 162 00:07:36,107 --> 00:07:38,588 -actually have someone from the record label... -From the label. 163 00:07:38,632 --> 00:07:40,808 ...be a guardian over her, 164 00:07:40,851 --> 00:07:42,636 um, that we could talk to 165 00:07:42,679 --> 00:07:44,725 to make sure she's, you know, doing her schooling, 166 00:07:44,768 --> 00:07:47,162 that whenever she needed to get home for something 167 00:07:47,205 --> 00:07:49,381 she would get home, whatever the case may be. 168 00:07:49,425 --> 00:07:50,905 It would be a female. 169 00:07:50,948 --> 00:07:53,690 So, um, that's what we had agreed to. 170 00:07:53,734 --> 00:07:57,346 And we actually signed it. 171 00:07:57,389 --> 00:07:58,652 We were on the phone with him, 172 00:07:58,695 --> 00:08:00,305 at this point, on a regular basis, 173 00:08:00,349 --> 00:08:02,786 so we felt-- seemed like everything was okay, 174 00:08:02,830 --> 00:08:04,440 um, at that point. 175 00:08:04,484 --> 00:08:06,964 It seems that part of what he was selling is, 176 00:08:07,008 --> 00:08:10,446 "I'm a star, and I can make you a star." 177 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:11,882 If you know the story of the Pied Piper, 178 00:08:11,926 --> 00:08:13,841 the Pied Piper was a... was a musician, 179 00:08:13,884 --> 00:08:16,800 you know, who led a bunch of kids out of a village 180 00:08:16,844 --> 00:08:18,628 via music never to be seen again. 181 00:08:18,672 --> 00:08:22,850 And I just thought that was insane. 182 00:08:22,893 --> 00:08:25,505 You know, I think that was his middle finger to the law. 183 00:08:25,548 --> 00:08:26,854 'Cause he was like, "Yeah, I'm untouchable." 184 00:08:26,897 --> 00:08:28,290 Instead of calling himself the Teflon Don, 185 00:08:28,333 --> 00:08:30,248 he called himself the Pied Piper. 186 00:08:30,292 --> 00:08:32,599 And, you know, from what we see, he-he hasn't stopped 187 00:08:32,642 --> 00:08:35,079 leading, uh, young girls out of villages 188 00:08:35,123 --> 00:08:38,213 via music ever since. 189 00:08:38,256 --> 00:08:42,086 DR. CANDICE NORCOTT: So, you work really hard to be seen 190 00:08:42,130 --> 00:08:43,479 as this benevolent public figure, 191 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:45,046 but in your private life, 192 00:08:45,089 --> 00:08:46,656 there are these things that you're doing 193 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:50,094 that you don't want the public to know. 194 00:08:50,138 --> 00:08:54,708 So, that tension can create conflict within a person 195 00:08:54,751 --> 00:08:58,494 that can then look like anger outbursts. 196 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:00,278 Somebody can be really relaxed and happy. 197 00:09:00,322 --> 00:09:03,107 Somebody can be really angry one minute. 198 00:09:03,151 --> 00:09:06,241 And so that's how I kind of best understand that... 199 00:09:06,284 --> 00:09:08,939 you know, people saying, "Well, there are many different sides 200 00:09:08,983 --> 00:09:11,594 of this person, and I'm... we're not sure what we're gonna get." 201 00:09:11,638 --> 00:09:14,292 Yo, what's up, you guys? It's your boy, Kells, man. 202 00:09:14,336 --> 00:09:16,033 I just wanted to break some things down 203 00:09:16,077 --> 00:09:17,992 and talk to you guys, just to clear some things up. 204 00:09:18,035 --> 00:09:20,560 I've been getting a lot of slack from, you know, people 205 00:09:20,603 --> 00:09:23,780 about, you know, um, my album 206 00:09:23,824 --> 00:09:26,609 or, you know, my career and things like that. 207 00:09:26,653 --> 00:09:28,219 Real talk. 208 00:09:28,263 --> 00:09:30,744 We have got to support each other, man. 209 00:09:30,787 --> 00:09:33,137 Quit playing, you know what I'm saying? 210 00:09:33,181 --> 00:09:35,662 I've done all of the shows there is to do. 211 00:09:35,705 --> 00:09:38,839 I've, you know, I've done all this promotion, 212 00:09:38,882 --> 00:09:41,102 and my company's not getting behind this album, 213 00:09:41,145 --> 00:09:43,974 The Buffetalbum. You know, um... 214 00:09:44,018 --> 00:09:46,716 But I tell you, you know, none of that, to me, matters. 215 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,154 None of that matters, you know, because at the end of the day, 216 00:09:50,198 --> 00:09:53,505 it's really about us coming together. 217 00:09:53,549 --> 00:09:57,118 [distorted]: He did the Huffington Postinterview, 218 00:09:57,161 --> 00:10:01,644 and the interviewer asked him questions about the girls. 219 00:10:01,688 --> 00:10:06,388 And he, um, did not want to answer the questions. 220 00:10:06,431 --> 00:10:08,695 Would you say that you have a healthy relationship with sex 221 00:10:08,738 --> 00:10:10,566 and that that is reflected musically? 222 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:12,655 I would have to say this: 223 00:10:12,699 --> 00:10:16,050 I did not come here to get interrogated. 224 00:10:16,093 --> 00:10:17,921 I didn't come here for a deposition. 225 00:10:17,965 --> 00:10:19,880 You know what a deposition is? 226 00:10:19,923 --> 00:10:21,446 -I'm very aware of what a deposition is. -Well, then... 227 00:10:21,490 --> 00:10:22,752 -I'm asking you about your music. -You should, then, 228 00:10:22,796 --> 00:10:24,362 you should agree with me when, when... 229 00:10:24,406 --> 00:10:25,668 -I asked about your music. -...when I say that this sounds 230 00:10:25,712 --> 00:10:27,235 sort of like a deposition. 231 00:10:27,278 --> 00:10:28,932 What do you say 232 00:10:28,976 --> 00:10:31,413 to the multiple fans, 233 00:10:31,456 --> 00:10:33,502 the many fans who are watching and listening 234 00:10:33,545 --> 00:10:35,460 -that say there have been... -I say I love my fans. 235 00:10:35,504 --> 00:10:37,549 -...multiple accusations against you... -I say I love my fans. 236 00:10:37,593 --> 00:10:38,942 -against young women in Chicago, -I say I love all of my fans. 237 00:10:38,986 --> 00:10:40,335 and they are concerned 238 00:10:40,378 --> 00:10:41,771 -about your past, -People that are against me. 239 00:10:41,815 --> 00:10:43,730 -and that's impacting them -People that are with me. 240 00:10:43,773 --> 00:10:45,079 -from purchasing your music sales? -I love them all. 241 00:10:45,122 --> 00:10:46,994 I love them all. It doesn't matter who they are, 242 00:10:47,037 --> 00:10:48,169 if they hate me, they love me, 243 00:10:48,212 --> 00:10:49,910 they want to destroy me, whatever. 244 00:10:49,953 --> 00:10:52,390 I love them all. And I love you, too. 245 00:10:52,434 --> 00:10:53,827 You don't need to give me 246 00:10:53,870 --> 00:10:55,306 -any of your love, sir. -I love everybody. 247 00:10:55,350 --> 00:10:57,395 You really don't need to give me your love. I just wanted 248 00:10:57,439 --> 00:11:00,181 to ask the question. I have a video question for you 249 00:11:00,224 --> 00:11:01,617 -from a fan if you... -No video questions for me, 250 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:03,010 -'cause this interview is over. -Okay. 251 00:11:03,053 --> 00:11:05,012 -Thank you very much for coming... -All right. 252 00:11:05,055 --> 00:11:06,927 FORMER EMPLOYEE: And so, he was very upset 253 00:11:06,970 --> 00:11:08,450 about that interview. 254 00:11:08,493 --> 00:11:10,017 He just wanted to vent. 255 00:11:10,060 --> 00:11:12,715 He was blaming different people on staff 256 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:15,326 about the way the interview turned out. 257 00:11:15,370 --> 00:11:18,025 That was a time that he actually wanted to know 258 00:11:18,068 --> 00:11:21,811 what was being said online about the interview. 259 00:11:21,855 --> 00:11:23,813 R. Kelly can read, 260 00:11:23,857 --> 00:11:26,860 but he has difficulties reading certain words, 261 00:11:26,903 --> 00:11:30,341 and of course no one would tell him the truth. 262 00:11:33,605 --> 00:11:36,043 I was one of the people who lied to him 263 00:11:36,086 --> 00:11:38,872 about what was being said online. 264 00:11:41,178 --> 00:11:45,487 ALICE: December 30, Azriel turned 18. 265 00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:48,229 And that is when all hell broke loose. 266 00:11:50,622 --> 00:11:53,713 ANGELO: Her phone was going straight to voice mail. 267 00:11:53,756 --> 00:11:55,192 ALICE: Everything changed, 268 00:11:55,236 --> 00:11:57,412 and we stopped hearing from her. 269 00:11:57,455 --> 00:11:59,153 At that point, she's 18. She can do what she want. 270 00:11:59,196 --> 00:12:02,373 I can't make her go anywhere. 271 00:12:02,417 --> 00:12:03,897 So, my daughter A'Iceis 272 00:12:03,940 --> 00:12:05,507 finally told us the truth. 273 00:12:05,550 --> 00:12:06,943 ALICE: We talked to her. 274 00:12:06,987 --> 00:12:08,902 Like, this came out months later. 275 00:12:08,945 --> 00:12:12,122 And she was crying. She was very upset and distraught. 276 00:12:12,166 --> 00:12:15,125 She was telling us about the incident at the studio 277 00:12:15,169 --> 00:12:17,171 when she was going through the different rooms 278 00:12:17,214 --> 00:12:20,043 looking for, uh, Azriel. 279 00:12:20,087 --> 00:12:21,610 She knocked on every one of the doors. 280 00:12:21,653 --> 00:12:24,004 She said there was girls and stuff in other rooms, 281 00:12:24,047 --> 00:12:27,311 but, like, they couldn't talk. They wouldn't say anything. 282 00:12:27,355 --> 00:12:30,227 She noticed buckets in the corner of every room, 283 00:12:30,271 --> 00:12:35,363 and she said that it looked like 284 00:12:35,406 --> 00:12:37,757 they were using the buckets to use the bathroom in. 285 00:12:39,149 --> 00:12:41,456 A'ICEIS: I was like, 286 00:12:41,499 --> 00:12:44,720 why would you go from being able to use your own bathroom 287 00:12:44,764 --> 00:12:47,984 to going in a room where you have to pee in a corner? 288 00:12:48,028 --> 00:12:49,986 You have to pee in a pitcher. 289 00:12:50,030 --> 00:12:52,032 And then got to, whenever he tells you, 290 00:12:52,075 --> 00:12:54,817 you can go and dump the piss, you can go dump it. 291 00:12:54,861 --> 00:12:56,906 PRODUCER: Why do you think 292 00:12:56,950 --> 00:13:00,388 your daughter, A'Iceis, changed her story? 293 00:13:00,431 --> 00:13:02,520 -It was because he had threatened... -ANGELO: Yeah. 294 00:13:02,564 --> 00:13:05,741 He had threatened her and us, and... 295 00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:08,613 You know, he could make it bad for your family, and, yeah, 296 00:13:08,657 --> 00:13:10,746 maybe your mom and your father and this and that. 297 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:12,966 So I could see her taking that into consideration 298 00:13:13,009 --> 00:13:14,402 and think she's looking out for us, 299 00:13:14,445 --> 00:13:16,317 you know, saving her parents. 300 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,710 But I wish she wouldn't have. I wish she would've 301 00:13:18,754 --> 00:13:21,757 told me right then and there, you know? 302 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:26,501 A'ICEIS: So, Azriel was with him. 303 00:13:26,544 --> 00:13:30,374 ANGELO: You know, we're a very close-knit family. 304 00:13:30,418 --> 00:13:32,550 Very. We're very open, 305 00:13:32,594 --> 00:13:36,772 so she could've talked to us about anything, so for her 306 00:13:36,816 --> 00:13:40,602 to leave her family was mind-blowing for us. 307 00:13:40,645 --> 00:13:43,518 ALICE: I called the number that I had for her 308 00:13:43,561 --> 00:13:44,824 three or four times a day. 309 00:13:44,867 --> 00:13:46,216 I don't get an answer, 310 00:13:46,260 --> 00:13:48,175 don't get a reply. I text. 311 00:13:48,218 --> 00:13:51,700 When you have a child that's lost and passed away, 312 00:13:51,743 --> 00:13:53,310 you know, you know they're gone, 313 00:13:53,354 --> 00:13:54,921 like, you're never gonna see them again, 314 00:13:54,964 --> 00:13:56,618 but this is a little bit different, 315 00:13:56,661 --> 00:13:59,534 because I know she's somewhere. 316 00:13:59,577 --> 00:14:02,624 It's just that he won't allow her to talk to me. 317 00:14:02,667 --> 00:14:06,410 She fell in love with someone that is a predator. 318 00:14:06,454 --> 00:14:08,848 It's heartbreaking. 319 00:14:08,891 --> 00:14:10,850 [crying] 320 00:14:29,956 --> 00:14:34,090 ALICE: The last time that we saw Azriel was at her graduation 321 00:14:34,134 --> 00:14:36,223 from high school in 2016. 322 00:14:38,355 --> 00:14:40,488 After Azriel turned 18, 323 00:14:40,531 --> 00:14:44,100 we started having all kinds of people from social media, 324 00:14:44,144 --> 00:14:47,190 just from everywhere, reaching out to us, anonymously, 325 00:14:47,234 --> 00:14:50,802 saying, um, you know, all this was going on with our daughter, 326 00:14:50,846 --> 00:14:53,501 and that we needed to get her away from him. 327 00:14:55,503 --> 00:14:59,420 Okay, why you didn't tell us that when she was 17? 328 00:14:59,463 --> 00:15:02,205 And so, this anonymous person 329 00:15:02,249 --> 00:15:04,947 actually put us in touch with the Savages. 330 00:15:04,991 --> 00:15:06,731 One of their daughters, Joycelyn, who was 19 331 00:15:06,775 --> 00:15:08,429 at the time when she met R. Kelly, 332 00:15:08,472 --> 00:15:10,561 is also one of the young ladies 333 00:15:10,605 --> 00:15:12,955 that is with R. Kelly in his sex cult. 334 00:15:16,002 --> 00:15:19,092 ANGELO: To meet Tim and his wife-- 335 00:15:19,135 --> 00:15:22,704 that was a kind of relief as a parent, to finally 336 00:15:22,747 --> 00:15:25,141 meet somebody who actually has gone through 337 00:15:25,185 --> 00:15:27,404 what we're going through, because all the people 338 00:15:27,448 --> 00:15:30,146 that was around us, they could say, "Oh, we understand." 339 00:15:30,190 --> 00:15:31,843 You don'tunderstand. 340 00:15:31,887 --> 00:15:34,237 Nobody could ever understand what it feels like 341 00:15:34,281 --> 00:15:37,197 to have a child that's living and breathing, 342 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,287 and you can't see 'em. 343 00:15:46,162 --> 00:15:49,165 TIMOTHY: I had word that Joycelyn was 344 00:15:49,209 --> 00:15:51,515 at the Atlanta house in Johns Creek. 345 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:55,215 And we wanted to do a wellness check. 346 00:15:55,258 --> 00:15:57,521 [distorted]: So, a wellness check 347 00:15:57,565 --> 00:16:00,002 is when you can call the police 348 00:16:00,046 --> 00:16:03,919 to check on someone that you have not had contact with, 349 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:06,878 and you're concerned about the person's well-being. 350 00:16:06,922 --> 00:16:09,011 We're in front of R. Kelly's house. 351 00:16:09,055 --> 00:16:11,187 We're trying to check on our daughter, Joycelyn Savage. 352 00:16:11,231 --> 00:16:14,016 Make sure my sister, Joycelyn Savage, is okay. 353 00:16:14,060 --> 00:16:16,845 And, uh, we're gonna do what we have to do 354 00:16:16,888 --> 00:16:18,542 to make sure my daughter... 355 00:16:18,586 --> 00:16:20,544 No bruises, no nothing on her body. 356 00:16:20,588 --> 00:16:22,851 We just want to make sure she's fine. 357 00:16:22,894 --> 00:16:25,636 If she won't come to us at the concert, we're gonna go to her. 358 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,465 We're gonna make sure that we see her. 359 00:16:28,509 --> 00:16:33,383 There's about four, five police cars here already. 360 00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:36,212 At that time, um, she wasn't there. 361 00:16:36,256 --> 00:16:38,823 Uh, we talked to the police department, 362 00:16:38,867 --> 00:16:41,783 did a writ... written statement, me and my wife. 363 00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:44,612 ALICE: The Savages hadn't talked to their daughter, either, 364 00:16:44,655 --> 00:16:46,570 for a while, so, they were like, 365 00:16:46,614 --> 00:16:48,616 "Let's get together to try to do whatever we could 366 00:16:48,659 --> 00:16:50,574 "to get our girls home, 367 00:16:50,618 --> 00:16:52,968 "and to help other young ladies so they won't fall victim. 368 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,753 Let's see if we can get Chicago to do a wellness check." 369 00:16:55,797 --> 00:16:59,105 I was told about the wellness checks being done at 370 00:16:59,148 --> 00:17:04,110 the house in Atlanta, as well as the studio in Chicago. 371 00:17:04,153 --> 00:17:06,068 R. Kelly knew about the wellness check 372 00:17:06,112 --> 00:17:09,289 in Chicago before it happened, because he has friends 373 00:17:09,332 --> 00:17:13,641 in the police department in Chicago who warned them. 374 00:17:26,001 --> 00:17:28,134 The police officer went and talked to the girls. 375 00:17:28,177 --> 00:17:29,874 He told the Savages about their daughter, 376 00:17:29,918 --> 00:17:31,659 and then he told us about our daughter. 377 00:17:31,702 --> 00:17:33,617 Um, he basically said 378 00:17:33,661 --> 00:17:35,967 both of the girls were okay, they looked healthy, 379 00:17:36,011 --> 00:17:38,448 but at the end of the day, that doesn't mean anything. 380 00:17:38,492 --> 00:17:40,363 My daughter is still not home with me. 381 00:17:40,407 --> 00:17:44,280 My daughter is being mistreated. 382 00:17:44,324 --> 00:17:45,586 We really want to know what is he hiding? 383 00:17:45,629 --> 00:17:47,109 What are you really hiding? 384 00:17:47,153 --> 00:17:48,893 Why won't you let us see our daughter? 385 00:17:48,937 --> 00:17:50,808 Throughout this whole process, um, 386 00:17:50,852 --> 00:17:53,463 initially, I had told you, we had people come out 387 00:17:53,507 --> 00:17:56,162 anonymously and tell us that, you know, what was going on 388 00:17:56,205 --> 00:17:57,859 with Azriel once she turned 18. 389 00:17:57,902 --> 00:18:00,079 We have people coming back, other young ladies, 390 00:18:00,122 --> 00:18:02,124 that's telling us stuff. I mean, this is crazy. 391 00:18:02,168 --> 00:18:04,953 This man is a monster. That's what he is. 392 00:18:07,434 --> 00:18:09,566 BURKE: I remember reading about the Savages and 393 00:18:09,610 --> 00:18:12,743 the Clarys and their desperation to get their daughters home. 394 00:18:12,787 --> 00:18:16,486 And while I wasn't surprised, I was surprised. 395 00:18:16,530 --> 00:18:18,793 We've seen such a progression from the... 396 00:18:18,836 --> 00:18:20,621 from the very first allegations 397 00:18:20,664 --> 00:18:23,145 we heard of, of him picking up young girls 398 00:18:23,189 --> 00:18:24,538 and having sex with them, 399 00:18:24,581 --> 00:18:26,279 to now. 400 00:18:26,322 --> 00:18:27,932 He's still engaging in this behavior, 401 00:18:27,976 --> 00:18:29,760 but it feels like he's being more clever 402 00:18:29,804 --> 00:18:32,372 about the ways that he, um, 403 00:18:32,415 --> 00:18:34,852 preys on this community of girls. 404 00:18:34,896 --> 00:18:37,768 Getting girls who are right over the age 405 00:18:37,812 --> 00:18:39,857 so people can't technically say 406 00:18:39,901 --> 00:18:41,990 that you're with an underage girl. 407 00:18:46,299 --> 00:18:48,475 FORMER EMPLOYEE: The house in Atlanta, 408 00:18:48,518 --> 00:18:52,087 the main house, is the house where he stays, and the girls 409 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:54,481 lived in the house, as well. 410 00:18:54,524 --> 00:18:57,745 In the house, 411 00:18:57,788 --> 00:19:00,487 Azriel kind of had precedence over the other girls 412 00:19:00,530 --> 00:19:05,274 when it came to where he slept at night, or whatever 413 00:19:05,318 --> 00:19:06,797 he considered his night. 414 00:19:06,841 --> 00:19:08,190 That's the room he would sleep in. 415 00:19:08,234 --> 00:19:10,540 She's the girl he would go to bed with. 416 00:19:10,584 --> 00:19:15,719 In the beginning, Joycelyn was back and forth to school. 417 00:19:17,591 --> 00:19:21,072 The trainer was a girl that lived in the house. 418 00:19:21,116 --> 00:19:23,074 She had been there the longest. 419 00:19:23,118 --> 00:19:25,425 She's the girl he really trusts. 420 00:19:25,468 --> 00:19:30,473 Her responsibility was to train all the girls who he brought in. 421 00:19:30,517 --> 00:19:32,736 Any girl that R. Kelly slept with, 422 00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:36,740 she slept with them, as well. 423 00:19:36,784 --> 00:19:42,659 He has a certain type of woman or girl that he will bring 424 00:19:42,703 --> 00:19:45,488 into the house to live, but as far as a woman 425 00:19:45,532 --> 00:19:48,143 that he would just mess around with-- 426 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:50,754 he don't really have a type. 427 00:19:50,798 --> 00:19:54,628 Before the girls even become a permanent fixture in the house, 428 00:19:54,671 --> 00:19:57,848 he gets a feel of where they are mentally. 429 00:19:57,892 --> 00:20:01,243 If he meets a woman and then finds out she has it going on, 430 00:20:01,287 --> 00:20:03,593 then that's thgirl who's just gonna come and go. 431 00:20:06,074 --> 00:20:09,425 If the girl seems like she's weak, 432 00:20:09,469 --> 00:20:11,601 she don't really have the family's support, 433 00:20:11,645 --> 00:20:14,082 or no one's gonna come asking questions, 434 00:20:14,125 --> 00:20:16,432 or he's even able to manipulate the family-- 435 00:20:16,476 --> 00:20:18,956 that's the girl he's gonna bring into the house. 436 00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:23,831 The girls who are in the house are girls who are 437 00:20:23,874 --> 00:20:26,616 just totally dependent on him. 438 00:20:30,925 --> 00:20:33,232 ASANTE: He'd go for the younger girls 439 00:20:33,275 --> 00:20:35,321 because they are weak-minded, 440 00:20:35,364 --> 00:20:38,454 but if you're older, and he feels like you're weak-minded, 441 00:20:38,498 --> 00:20:40,413 he's gonna go for you, too. 442 00:20:40,456 --> 00:20:43,285 It doesn't matter if you're 16 or if you're 40. 443 00:20:43,329 --> 00:20:45,244 If you can contr... If he could control you, 444 00:20:45,287 --> 00:20:46,593 that's all he wants. 445 00:20:49,291 --> 00:20:51,598 I was that die-hard fan. 446 00:20:51,641 --> 00:20:54,165 If you said anything bad about him, 447 00:20:54,209 --> 00:20:55,993 I would put you out of my house. 448 00:20:56,037 --> 00:20:57,517 I would, like... 449 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,214 I would just stop all communication. 450 00:21:01,738 --> 00:21:04,437 When I first met R. Kelly, I was just shell-shocked. 451 00:21:06,743 --> 00:21:08,354 I was, like, really nervous, 452 00:21:08,397 --> 00:21:10,138 and, like, he was just real friendly, 453 00:21:10,181 --> 00:21:11,966 just, you know, talking openly. 454 00:21:12,009 --> 00:21:13,576 Laughing, telling jokes, and I'd laugh. 455 00:21:15,012 --> 00:21:17,319 R. Kelly and I started dating. 456 00:21:17,363 --> 00:21:20,235 Officially, for us, it was 2014. 457 00:21:23,456 --> 00:21:25,936 It-it was really like a high for me, because I... 458 00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:27,938 'cause, again, it's R. Kelly. 459 00:21:27,982 --> 00:21:29,940 [chuckling]: So it was like, I'm engaging in conversation, 460 00:21:29,984 --> 00:21:31,377 texting with R. Kelly. 461 00:21:33,335 --> 00:21:35,424 In the beginning, 462 00:21:35,468 --> 00:21:38,297 he gave me some of the rules, but not all of the rules. 463 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:40,734 He pretty much let me know that he had other girls. 464 00:21:40,777 --> 00:21:42,997 I had to accept it. If I couldn't accept it, 465 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,042 then there's no need for us to even try anything. 466 00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,525 At the time, knowing that 467 00:21:49,569 --> 00:21:51,266 I was not the only woman in his life-- 468 00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:52,659 I was okay with it because 469 00:21:52,702 --> 00:21:54,704 I felt like he was honest. 470 00:21:54,748 --> 00:21:56,750 I was married before, 471 00:21:56,793 --> 00:21:59,013 and my husband-- he was abusive, 472 00:21:59,056 --> 00:22:00,667 as well as he was a cheater. 473 00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:03,104 And I respected the fact 474 00:22:03,147 --> 00:22:05,193 that R. Kelly was honest to let me know 475 00:22:05,236 --> 00:22:07,500 that "it's not just you that I'm seeing." 476 00:22:07,543 --> 00:22:10,720 So, it was just like a dream come true, and it was like 477 00:22:10,764 --> 00:22:13,941 I was willing to do anything to please him. 478 00:22:17,814 --> 00:22:19,686 When we started becoming intimate, 479 00:22:19,729 --> 00:22:21,731 I was living in my home in Atlanta, 480 00:22:21,775 --> 00:22:23,733 and he was living in his home in Chicago. 481 00:22:25,779 --> 00:22:28,521 I would travel back and forth to Chicago, 482 00:22:28,564 --> 00:22:30,566 or whatever city he was at, as far as the tour. 483 00:22:32,133 --> 00:22:33,656 And then, he was also coming 484 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:35,310 to Atlanta a lot, as well, because 485 00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:37,704 he was using someone's studio and playing basketball. 486 00:22:37,747 --> 00:22:41,055 And so, I was with him 487 00:22:41,098 --> 00:22:42,883 when he was in Atlanta. 488 00:22:44,667 --> 00:22:47,757 As a fly-in, it was normal life. 489 00:22:47,801 --> 00:22:50,281 Just me and him, two consensual adults having sex. 490 00:22:50,325 --> 00:22:52,327 Nothing out of the ordinary. 491 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:55,722 Two years within our relationship, 492 00:22:55,765 --> 00:22:57,985 I started seeing the changes 493 00:22:58,028 --> 00:22:59,987 when he invited me to move into his house. 494 00:23:00,030 --> 00:23:01,597 The way he invited me... 495 00:23:01,641 --> 00:23:03,425 Well, he didn't invite me. He told me. 496 00:23:05,906 --> 00:23:08,909 I went to his tour in Houston, Texas, 497 00:23:08,952 --> 00:23:11,041 and I'm thinking I'm about to fly home, and I was told 498 00:23:11,085 --> 00:23:13,000 by one of his assistants, "You need to go get your clothes, 499 00:23:13,043 --> 00:23:14,436 "'cause you're gonna end up 500 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,872 in the next city without any clothes." 501 00:23:15,916 --> 00:23:18,397 I was like, "Huh? What do you mean?" 502 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,529 So, I got my suitcase and got on the bus. 503 00:23:22,749 --> 00:23:25,752 And we ended up in Atlanta at his house, in Johns Creek. 504 00:23:27,797 --> 00:23:29,495 He said, "Welcome home, my babies." 505 00:23:29,538 --> 00:23:31,366 And he opened the door, 506 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:32,889 and I'm like, "Welcome home?" 507 00:23:32,933 --> 00:23:34,674 So he gave us a tour of his house, 508 00:23:34,717 --> 00:23:36,458 showed me my bedroom, shows us all our bedrooms. 509 00:23:36,502 --> 00:23:38,199 And he told, you know, 510 00:23:38,242 --> 00:23:40,549 us to go ahead and go in your room, put your clothes up. 511 00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:47,687 I didn't start ha-having to ask R. Kelly for permission for-- 512 00:23:47,730 --> 00:23:50,864 to eat and stuff until he actually moved me in the house. 513 00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:52,779 [door squeaks open] 514 00:23:52,822 --> 00:23:54,824 It was just like a nightmare. 515 00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:02,963 FORMER EMPLOYEE: Robert has to strategically 516 00:24:03,006 --> 00:24:05,269 spread his money out and pay certain bills, 517 00:24:05,313 --> 00:24:07,446 uh, because he's lost money. 518 00:24:07,489 --> 00:24:10,884 He don't have the income coming in like he has previously, 519 00:24:10,927 --> 00:24:14,235 so he did get evicted from the house in Atlanta. 520 00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:24,332 ASANTE: Just being here 521 00:24:24,375 --> 00:24:26,639 and just seeing this door is about to bring back 522 00:24:26,682 --> 00:24:28,467 a whole bunch of memories 523 00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:30,686 that I never thought I had to revisit. 524 00:24:30,730 --> 00:24:32,601 [door creaks open] 525 00:24:36,344 --> 00:24:38,259 Wow. 526 00:24:42,176 --> 00:24:44,308 This looks totally different 527 00:24:44,352 --> 00:24:45,832 from when... the last time I was here. 528 00:24:49,096 --> 00:24:52,621 So, upstairs is where all of the bedrooms are, 529 00:24:52,665 --> 00:24:54,493 other than his bedroom. 530 00:24:58,671 --> 00:25:00,673 Right here, 531 00:25:00,716 --> 00:25:04,677 this is my bedroom right here. 532 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,375 I don't think I want to go in there. 533 00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:10,770 I'm gonna just show you guys the other bedrooms. 534 00:25:17,428 --> 00:25:19,474 In my opinion, 535 00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:21,607 I feel like this is the wickedest part. 536 00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:23,696 The whole room was black. 537 00:25:23,739 --> 00:25:26,002 He had black curtains. 538 00:25:26,046 --> 00:25:29,092 He had, basically-- Furniture was black. 539 00:25:29,136 --> 00:25:32,531 And right here in the middle was the actual bed. 540 00:25:32,574 --> 00:25:34,620 And I just really feel like... 541 00:25:34,663 --> 00:25:36,839 this room right here... 542 00:25:36,883 --> 00:25:39,015 [voice breaking]: ...besides my bedroom, 543 00:25:39,059 --> 00:25:43,193 was, like, the most degrading thing ever 544 00:25:43,237 --> 00:25:45,065 for-- I mean, it's, like-- 545 00:25:45,108 --> 00:25:46,980 things that happened in here 546 00:25:47,023 --> 00:25:49,591 that you wouldn't even think that would happen, 547 00:25:49,635 --> 00:25:52,986 but you had to pretty much agree to it. 548 00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:56,598 No matter how demeaning it felt or seemed, 549 00:25:56,642 --> 00:25:58,992 you had to always just play along with it. 550 00:25:59,035 --> 00:26:01,255 And it was just, like, you had Rob 551 00:26:01,298 --> 00:26:04,127 pretty much, like, making you do the unthinkable. 552 00:26:04,171 --> 00:26:06,521 And I just feel like... I never thought that I would 553 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:09,742 ever come back to this house and especially this room. 554 00:26:09,785 --> 00:26:11,961 I never realized 555 00:26:12,005 --> 00:26:15,051 how much this room hurts me. 556 00:26:15,095 --> 00:26:18,054 [sniffles] But a-actually coming in here, 557 00:26:18,098 --> 00:26:20,927 I don't want to ever revisit this room again. 558 00:26:22,102 --> 00:26:24,452 [sniffles, crying] 559 00:26:26,497 --> 00:26:28,282 [sniffles] 560 00:26:28,325 --> 00:26:30,327 [crying] 561 00:26:30,371 --> 00:26:31,981 This is just... 562 00:26:32,025 --> 00:26:33,853 [sniffles] 563 00:26:33,896 --> 00:26:36,856 [crying] 564 00:26:36,899 --> 00:26:38,901 [sniffles] 565 00:26:38,945 --> 00:26:41,904 [crying] 566 00:26:48,955 --> 00:26:51,044 e crying] 567 00:26:51,087 --> 00:26:53,176 ASANTE: I remember, at times, 568 00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:54,264 coming out of my room. [sniffles] 569 00:26:54,308 --> 00:26:56,484 In order to come down my steps, 570 00:26:56,527 --> 00:26:59,922 I had to beat for him 571 00:26:59,966 --> 00:27:02,490 to actually give me permission. And when I say "beat," 572 00:27:02,533 --> 00:27:04,405 -I literally had to do this... -[stomping] 573 00:27:04,448 --> 00:27:06,189 ...for him to hear me. 574 00:27:06,233 --> 00:27:09,758 It's been times where I've knocked for hours, 575 00:27:09,802 --> 00:27:12,674 and he just did not respond. 576 00:27:16,896 --> 00:27:19,638 A person don't love you if he's treating you like that. 577 00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:21,901 And I just knew I had to get out. 578 00:27:21,944 --> 00:27:25,078 So I packed my bags and left the house. 579 00:27:28,821 --> 00:27:32,476 Before I actually met him personally-- 580 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,478 I guess because I was just so much of that fan-- 581 00:27:34,522 --> 00:27:37,568 I just couldn't see him as being that monster. 582 00:27:37,612 --> 00:27:40,615 But now, actually being in that house 583 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:43,662 and witnessing with my own eyes, 584 00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:47,143 I regret not listening and believing 585 00:27:47,187 --> 00:27:49,363 of the allegations that happened. 586 00:27:49,406 --> 00:27:53,715 There is a difference between R. Kelly and Robert. 587 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:57,763 R. Kelly is this fun, laughing, loving guy. 588 00:27:58,938 --> 00:28:01,027 But Robert is the devil. 589 00:28:06,772 --> 00:28:10,297 ORONIKE ODELEYE: Mute R. Kelly started in the summer of 2017, 590 00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:13,039 when the allegations came out about him having 591 00:28:13,082 --> 00:28:14,518 what the media were calling sex cults 592 00:28:14,562 --> 00:28:15,955 in his home here in Atlanta. 593 00:28:18,653 --> 00:28:20,742 The goals of Mute R. Kelly in the beginning were very humble. 594 00:28:20,786 --> 00:28:22,701 It was, "Let's get him off Atlanta radio." 595 00:28:25,268 --> 00:28:27,749 "And let's get his concerts cancelled." 596 00:28:27,793 --> 00:28:29,490 I thought that that would be a really, kind of, simple ask, 597 00:28:29,533 --> 00:28:31,535 with the 25 years of receipts 598 00:28:31,579 --> 00:28:33,102 that we have against this person. 599 00:28:33,146 --> 00:28:35,583 Um, and that was met with resounding silence. 600 00:28:35,626 --> 00:28:37,759 Um, you know, the radio stations would not respond, 601 00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:39,761 would not call me back. 602 00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:42,111 We'd been playing R. Kelly music and hearing these rumors 603 00:28:42,155 --> 00:28:45,636 and sometimes accusations of-of R. Kelly. 604 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,597 But radio has always just concentrated on the music 605 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,991 and not the-- and not the background. 606 00:28:52,034 --> 00:28:53,819 And that is our fault. 607 00:28:53,862 --> 00:28:55,777 At the same time, we discovered that he was-- 608 00:28:55,821 --> 00:28:57,213 had a concert coming up in Atlanta. 609 00:28:59,607 --> 00:29:01,304 And so we decided to, um-- 610 00:29:01,348 --> 00:29:02,784 to protest. 611 00:29:02,828 --> 00:29:05,047 WOMAN: What'd we come to do?! 612 00:29:05,091 --> 00:29:06,353 PROTESTORS: Mute R. Kelly! 613 00:29:06,396 --> 00:29:08,181 WOMAN: And when we gonna do it?! 614 00:29:08,224 --> 00:29:09,573 PROTESTORS: Now! 615 00:29:10,705 --> 00:29:12,228 ODELEYE: The response 616 00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:16,145 was very, kind of, polarized, I think, 617 00:29:16,189 --> 00:29:17,625 as the black community is on R. Kelly. 618 00:29:17,668 --> 00:29:19,670 -WOMEN: R. Kelly! -[laughter] 619 00:29:19,714 --> 00:29:21,411 You know, he's been the same for years. 620 00:29:21,455 --> 00:29:22,717 Who are we to judge? 621 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,459 The protestors don't affect anything. 622 00:29:25,502 --> 00:29:27,591 ODELEYE: And then, on the other hand, people are like, 623 00:29:27,635 --> 00:29:29,071 "Hallelujah, finally, somebody's doing something." 624 00:29:29,115 --> 00:29:30,638 And from there, 625 00:29:30,681 --> 00:29:32,379 people started reaching us out, like, "Hey, 626 00:29:32,422 --> 00:29:33,772 he's coming to Dallas." 627 00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:34,816 "He's coming to Detroit." 628 00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:35,730 "What can we do?" 629 00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:39,386 They fought back and said, 630 00:29:39,429 --> 00:29:41,388 "We do not want him performing here." 631 00:29:43,477 --> 00:29:45,218 -WOMAN: Shame on you! -PROTESTORS: Shame on you! 632 00:29:45,261 --> 00:29:47,394 -WOMAN: Shame on you! -Shame on you! 633 00:29:47,437 --> 00:29:49,352 -WOMAN: Black girls'... -Black girls'... 634 00:29:49,396 --> 00:29:51,572 -WOMAN: ...lives matter! -...lives matter! 635 00:29:51,615 --> 00:29:53,661 I am a-a R. Kelly fan. 636 00:29:53,704 --> 00:29:55,315 There's two sides to every story. 637 00:29:55,358 --> 00:29:56,359 FAN: I'm here for the music 638 00:29:56,403 --> 00:29:57,491 and nothing else. 639 00:29:57,534 --> 00:29:59,319 And so we started to organize 640 00:29:59,362 --> 00:30:01,364 the people locally in those towns, 641 00:30:01,408 --> 00:30:03,497 to hold protests, 642 00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:05,281 to ask venues to cancel it. 643 00:30:06,543 --> 00:30:08,676 We've held seven protests 644 00:30:08,719 --> 00:30:10,504 in cities around the country. 645 00:30:10,547 --> 00:30:11,897 R. Kelly may have to find 646 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:14,290 a new spot to hold his next concert. 647 00:30:14,334 --> 00:30:15,422 And it's, you know, just grown and grown and grown. 648 00:30:17,554 --> 00:30:20,079 REPORTER: Kelly says he and his attorneys plan 649 00:30:20,122 --> 00:30:21,863 to get to the bottom of the cancellation 650 00:30:21,907 --> 00:30:23,560 of his performance. 651 00:30:24,735 --> 00:30:26,955 BURKE: In 2017, 652 00:30:26,999 --> 00:30:29,392 these two big stories come out about R. Kelly, 653 00:30:29,436 --> 00:30:33,179 around him holding the girls captive. 654 00:30:33,222 --> 00:30:34,920 And it falls right into this continuum of stories 655 00:30:34,963 --> 00:30:37,313 that have come out around sexual misconduct, 656 00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:40,142 sexual harassment in mainstream industries. 657 00:30:40,186 --> 00:30:41,927 And in September, we have the huge 658 00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:43,580 Harvey Weinstein articles drop, 659 00:30:43,624 --> 00:30:45,756 which propelled this whole movement forward. 660 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,890 And R. Kelly doesn't get included in that. 661 00:30:48,934 --> 00:30:50,936 Jerhonda Pace broke her NDA around R. Kelly, 662 00:30:50,979 --> 00:30:53,547 and I wanted to shine light on that 663 00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:55,549 and continue to keep the conversation about R. Kelly 664 00:30:55,592 --> 00:30:58,857 and the accusations against him in the public eye. 665 00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:01,729 -Like, I was 16. I didn't know... -MAI: Were you scared? What was 666 00:31:01,772 --> 00:31:03,513 -running through your head? -Yeah, how were you feeling when all that was happening? 667 00:31:03,557 --> 00:31:06,342 Very frightened. And, like, he would slap you 668 00:31:06,386 --> 00:31:10,172 in your face, and he would physically, like, harm you. 669 00:31:10,216 --> 00:31:13,523 There are six women that R. Kelly-- allegedly-- 670 00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:16,787 lives with and controls them. 671 00:31:16,831 --> 00:31:18,964 NELSON: When usually one person comes forward, 672 00:31:19,007 --> 00:31:21,270 -the door kind of opens. We saw this with #MeToo. -Mm-hmm. 673 00:31:21,314 --> 00:31:23,707 NELSON: The question here is why does R. Kelly 674 00:31:23,751 --> 00:31:26,319 always survive this? And the second biggest question 675 00:31:26,362 --> 00:31:29,409 is why is the black community complicit in silence? 676 00:31:29,452 --> 00:31:32,803 If them kids were Caucasian young women, 677 00:31:32,847 --> 00:31:36,720 we would not be going through this. 678 00:31:36,764 --> 00:31:39,332 The most disrespected woman in America, historically, 679 00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:41,334 has always been the black woman. 680 00:31:41,377 --> 00:31:43,858 You know, I always say, if you want to get away with murder, 681 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:45,468 kill a black rapper. 682 00:31:45,512 --> 00:31:46,817 If you want to get away with sexual assault, 683 00:31:46,861 --> 00:31:49,385 assault a young black girl. 684 00:31:49,429 --> 00:31:52,954 If R. Kelly had been doing this to white women-- oh, my God. 685 00:31:52,998 --> 00:31:54,738 The fact that it's mostly young black girls 686 00:31:54,782 --> 00:31:58,090 that he preys on, simply nobody cares. 687 00:31:58,133 --> 00:32:01,136 BURKE: These families came forward 688 00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:04,444 and were making desperate pleas to get their children back, 689 00:32:04,487 --> 00:32:06,272 to get their-their daughters back home 690 00:32:06,315 --> 00:32:08,361 and away from R. Kelly. 691 00:32:08,404 --> 00:32:12,756 We've been watching them since they came forward in 2017, 692 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,107 tried various attempts to get media attention, 693 00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:16,891 but it doesn't take hold. 694 00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:19,459 And again, I think that goes back into this idea that 695 00:32:19,502 --> 00:32:21,852 black girls don't matter. 696 00:32:21,896 --> 00:32:23,985 They don't matter enough. 697 00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:26,118 And it's proven over and over again. 698 00:32:26,161 --> 00:32:30,513 We still socially don't perceive young black women as innocent, 699 00:32:30,557 --> 00:32:33,429 as deserving of protection; somehow it's their fault. 700 00:32:33,473 --> 00:32:35,431 When the reality is that the problem isn't the girls, 701 00:32:35,475 --> 00:32:38,695 the problem is the predators. 702 00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:40,567 The way that we in society talk about 703 00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:42,308 and think about sexual violence, a lot of times 704 00:32:42,351 --> 00:32:44,223 it puts the onus on the victim. 705 00:32:44,266 --> 00:32:48,531 People are brainwashed into thinking that they have 706 00:32:48,575 --> 00:32:50,707 some complicity in their own abuse. 707 00:32:50,751 --> 00:32:54,885 And so they don't come forward because of the deep shame, 708 00:32:54,929 --> 00:32:57,105 the fear of being ostracized in their community. 709 00:32:57,149 --> 00:32:58,367 There are all these different factors 710 00:32:58,411 --> 00:32:59,716 that allow people to stay silent. 711 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,501 ASANTE: We're not blaming R. Kelly 712 00:33:01,544 --> 00:33:02,676 for what he's doing, 713 00:33:02,719 --> 00:33:04,852 we're blaming each other. 714 00:33:04,895 --> 00:33:07,202 When you have fans like myself, 715 00:33:07,246 --> 00:33:09,422 when I was that fan, that die-hard fan, 716 00:33:09,465 --> 00:33:11,293 and I just felt like, "Oh, these girls are lying." 717 00:33:11,337 --> 00:33:13,339 DR. JODY ADEWALE: People who stand up 718 00:33:13,382 --> 00:33:16,603 and say, "I've been victimized. I've been sexually abused," 719 00:33:16,646 --> 00:33:21,216 we, as-as a society, tend to meet it with skepticism. 720 00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:24,306 Because there have been cases where people have lied. 721 00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:28,049 What do these young ladies have to gain from lying? 722 00:33:28,093 --> 00:33:29,920 Oh, it's not like R. Kelly is some rich billionaire 723 00:33:29,964 --> 00:33:32,227 that's just out here cutting checks to everybody. 724 00:33:32,271 --> 00:33:33,402 It seems to me like some of these young ladies 725 00:33:33,446 --> 00:33:35,143 just want to see the truth. 726 00:33:35,187 --> 00:33:37,363 And I think with the whole Time's Up/Me Too movement, 727 00:33:37,406 --> 00:33:39,278 and they see everybody else, you know, 728 00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:42,890 getting their careers cancelled and people getting convicted, 729 00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:44,761 they're like, "Yo, well, we want some justice, too. 730 00:33:44,805 --> 00:33:47,112 "Can we use some of this Time's Up/Me Too movement energy 731 00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:49,244 to get-get him, get him gone?" 732 00:33:49,288 --> 00:33:52,073 R. Kelly's victims, nobody just cares about the-- 733 00:33:52,117 --> 00:33:54,597 the black women that speak out, especially the black community. 734 00:33:54,641 --> 00:33:57,818 It's the black community that bashes the black women 735 00:33:57,861 --> 00:33:59,602 that speak out about abuse. 736 00:33:59,646 --> 00:34:01,952 ODELEYE: You have this, you know, powerful person 737 00:34:01,996 --> 00:34:04,912 that's beloved in the African-American community. 738 00:34:04,955 --> 00:34:07,393 And then you have a victim that nobody cares about. 739 00:34:07,436 --> 00:34:11,266 Um, and the greater society perpetuates stereotypes 740 00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:14,226 about black women that internally you start to believe. 741 00:34:14,269 --> 00:34:16,532 We'll believe it if it's a convenient excuse 742 00:34:16,576 --> 00:34:20,101 not to have to deal with the reality of R. Kelly, 743 00:34:20,145 --> 00:34:23,017 and how we've been supporting and enabling him for decades. 744 00:34:26,151 --> 00:34:28,283 NORAH O'DONNELL: A woman is suing singer-songwriter 745 00:34:28,327 --> 00:34:30,503 R. Kelly for allegedly failing to disclose 746 00:34:30,546 --> 00:34:32,244 a sexually transmitted disease. 747 00:34:32,287 --> 00:34:34,376 She also accuses him of sexual battery. 748 00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:42,993 REPORTER 4: This woman, Faith Rodgers, says that she was 749 00:34:43,037 --> 00:34:46,214 in a relationship with R. Kelly when she was 19 750 00:34:46,258 --> 00:34:48,086 for nearly a year before leaving. 751 00:34:50,479 --> 00:34:54,875 My name is Faith, and I met R. Kelly in March of 2017. 752 00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:57,182 He kind of had, like, a goofiness to him 753 00:34:57,225 --> 00:34:58,922 when I initially met him. 754 00:35:03,188 --> 00:35:06,539 I knew he was older, but when he gave me his number, 755 00:35:06,582 --> 00:35:08,584 I wasn't thinking 756 00:35:08,628 --> 00:35:11,848 things would be where they are, um, almost a year later. 757 00:35:11,892 --> 00:35:14,155 He really was persistent, and he would call me, 758 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:17,115 and we would just talk about regular things. 759 00:35:17,158 --> 00:35:18,942 I was flattered. 760 00:35:18,986 --> 00:35:24,818 Nothing ever came off as... negative to me 761 00:35:24,861 --> 00:35:26,472 in our conversations in the beginning. 762 00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:35,176 So, the next time I saw R. Kelly was in May of 2017. 763 00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:38,310 I flew to New York for a show. 764 00:35:38,353 --> 00:35:40,573 [crowd cheering] 765 00:35:40,616 --> 00:35:43,793 So, after the show, I went back to the room, 766 00:35:43,837 --> 00:35:47,667 ended up falling asleep. At 6:00 a.m., 767 00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:49,147 pounding at the door. 768 00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:51,149 Pounding, not knocking. He's pounding at the door. 769 00:35:53,325 --> 00:35:55,065 Our conversations had been so great, 770 00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:56,719 I expected the first encounter to go different. 771 00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:01,768 It was consensual, but it was consented 772 00:36:01,811 --> 00:36:03,465 by intimidation. 773 00:36:03,509 --> 00:36:08,035 I felt just, like, something I had to do, 774 00:36:08,078 --> 00:36:09,297 not that I wanted to do, 775 00:36:09,341 --> 00:36:11,908 but I had to do because it was R. Kelly. 776 00:36:11,952 --> 00:36:15,303 And who are you to tell R. Kelly no? 777 00:36:15,347 --> 00:36:19,873 He's the type of person-- He's very demanding. 778 00:36:19,916 --> 00:36:22,136 He's like a director, and this is his movie. 779 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:25,270 So, he's-he's like, "Do you like it?" 780 00:36:25,313 --> 00:36:26,880 And I'm not responding. 781 00:36:26,923 --> 00:36:28,577 And he's like, "Tell Daddy you like it." 782 00:36:28,621 --> 00:36:30,797 And I'm still not responding. 783 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,626 And he's like, "We need to work on your moaning skills." 784 00:36:33,669 --> 00:36:36,759 So, right away, he's critiquing me. 785 00:36:36,803 --> 00:36:41,634 And the whole time, you know, he's-he's saying really... 786 00:36:41,677 --> 00:36:44,289 perverted things, almost. 787 00:36:44,332 --> 00:36:46,900 Um, he's like, "Young-- young tight [bleep]," 788 00:36:46,943 --> 00:36:48,206 and things like that. 789 00:36:48,249 --> 00:36:50,686 And so, eventually, he stops. 790 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:54,908 And I look back, and there's an iPad. 791 00:36:54,951 --> 00:36:57,258 And I just turn my head away, you know. 792 00:36:57,302 --> 00:36:58,825 I didn't want my face to be on it. 793 00:37:05,571 --> 00:37:08,443 Two months went by. 794 00:37:08,487 --> 00:37:14,362 The BuzzFeed thing about the harem, that came out in July. 795 00:37:14,406 --> 00:37:19,846 I knew he was intimidating, um, but these allegations came out. 796 00:37:19,889 --> 00:37:22,283 And they sounded so extreme. 797 00:37:22,327 --> 00:37:24,242 How could he kidnap somebody? 798 00:37:24,285 --> 00:37:27,288 How could he abuse somebody and beat them? 799 00:37:27,332 --> 00:37:28,942 It was just twisted. 800 00:37:28,985 --> 00:37:31,205 So I was really sitting there, confused. 801 00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:33,947 The only conversation we had about it was him saying, 802 00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:36,210 "It's not true." That these were lies. 803 00:37:40,954 --> 00:37:45,219 Closer to the end of the year, December, 804 00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:48,091 I had flown down for his concert in Dallas. 805 00:37:48,135 --> 00:37:49,919 We were in a hotel room. 806 00:37:49,963 --> 00:37:53,532 He kind of had gone on this emotional spiel, 807 00:37:53,575 --> 00:37:56,099 you know, um, about life. 808 00:37:56,143 --> 00:37:59,799 And then he revealed to me about "the girls." 809 00:37:59,842 --> 00:38:01,627 He described them to be a family. 810 00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:03,629 He made it seem like a family thing. 811 00:38:03,672 --> 00:38:05,544 Um, "These are women that I raise. 812 00:38:05,587 --> 00:38:07,372 "Some have been with me for 15 years. 813 00:38:07,415 --> 00:38:09,156 Some of them have been with me for five years." 814 00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:10,853 So he's sitting there and he's thinking, 815 00:38:10,897 --> 00:38:12,072 and I can see him thinking 'cause he, 816 00:38:12,115 --> 00:38:13,943 you know, he's like this. 817 00:38:13,987 --> 00:38:16,555 So I'm like, "What is he about to do? Or ask me to do?" 818 00:38:16,598 --> 00:38:18,513 He makes a phone call, and he's like, 819 00:38:18,557 --> 00:38:20,907 "Get dressed, we're coming downstairs." 820 00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:23,170 So I'm like, "Who are we going to see?" 821 00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:26,304 We go downstairs, 822 00:38:26,347 --> 00:38:28,218 and, um, he opens the door. 823 00:38:32,571 --> 00:38:34,529 And it's the girl I saw in the TMZstuff. 824 00:38:36,226 --> 00:38:38,533 I'm like, "Oh. 825 00:38:38,577 --> 00:38:42,363 She's the girl that her parents said that she was kidnapped." 826 00:38:56,464 --> 00:38:58,510 FAITH: We were in a hotel room. 827 00:38:58,553 --> 00:39:01,600 R. Kelly, he opens the door. 828 00:39:01,643 --> 00:39:05,081 And it's the girl I saw in the TMZstuff. 829 00:39:05,125 --> 00:39:07,693 I'm like, "Oh. She's the girl 830 00:39:07,736 --> 00:39:10,826 that her parents said that she was kidnapped." 831 00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:14,003 She literally, like, jumped up to him like a puppy, 832 00:39:14,047 --> 00:39:16,179 and kisses him on the mouth. 833 00:39:18,791 --> 00:39:22,795 Seeing Joycelyn do exactly what he told her to do, 834 00:39:22,838 --> 00:39:24,579 she's not acting like a real person. 835 00:39:24,623 --> 00:39:26,407 She's acting like a robot. 836 00:39:26,451 --> 00:39:28,583 Everything he said was so funny. 837 00:39:28,627 --> 00:39:32,326 Or, you know, she was right there, just like, in awe of him. 838 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:34,154 And it's like, but when he would leave, 839 00:39:34,197 --> 00:39:35,721 she would just be numb. 840 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,422 I wouldn't say she was kidnapped. 841 00:39:41,466 --> 00:39:43,729 Brainwashed? Yes, absolutely. 842 00:39:43,772 --> 00:39:46,645 ADEWALE: Our clinical term for brainwashing 843 00:39:46,688 --> 00:39:48,255 is psychological manipulation. 844 00:39:48,298 --> 00:39:51,171 There's nothing stopping you from leaving, 845 00:39:51,214 --> 00:39:53,913 but an individual might stay because he or she might believe, 846 00:39:53,956 --> 00:39:55,088 "I can't get out of this situation." 847 00:39:59,788 --> 00:40:02,095 FAITH: When I walked away from the situation, 848 00:40:02,138 --> 00:40:06,316 I didn't walk away because things had gotten bad 849 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,580 and, you know, he-he didn't want to talk to me. No. 850 00:40:08,623 --> 00:40:11,800 I had made a conscious decision that I wasn't gonna 851 00:40:11,844 --> 00:40:15,935 involve myself with someone who's doing this to young girls, 852 00:40:15,978 --> 00:40:18,198 and women, because that's not who I am. 853 00:40:18,241 --> 00:40:19,982 That's not what I stand for. 854 00:40:20,026 --> 00:40:23,856 I had cut ties with him in February. 855 00:40:23,899 --> 00:40:25,945 And I had no intentions on getting back with him. 856 00:40:25,988 --> 00:40:27,381 I just wanted to move on. 857 00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:31,820 So after it was over and done with, 858 00:40:31,864 --> 00:40:34,736 I made the decision to reach out to the Savages. 859 00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:37,957 I went to tell them about how it went 860 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,046 with me meeting their daughter Joycelyn. 861 00:40:40,089 --> 00:40:43,615 FAITH [over phone]: When I-- when I did meet her, um... 862 00:40:43,658 --> 00:40:46,139 like, she opened the door and like, 863 00:40:46,182 --> 00:40:48,097 he, like, looked at me and he looked at her. 864 00:40:48,141 --> 00:40:50,665 And he was like, "I want y'all to get to know each other." 865 00:40:50,709 --> 00:40:52,624 -Mm. -[laughs]: So, uh... 866 00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:54,930 I was just like, "Okay." 867 00:40:54,974 --> 00:40:58,281 Because, you know, like seeing all that stuff on the news, 868 00:40:58,325 --> 00:41:01,328 then, like, seeing her video and then seeing her in person, 869 00:41:01,371 --> 00:41:04,592 like, it all was just really, like, wow. 870 00:41:04,636 --> 00:41:07,116 Like, this is real life. 871 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,032 Right. I mean, it's not a game-- it's not a joke. 872 00:41:10,076 --> 00:41:11,599 If you're-- if you were around long enough, he would have 873 00:41:11,643 --> 00:41:13,732 cut you off from your father and your entire family. 874 00:41:13,775 --> 00:41:15,516 And your old friends and everything. 875 00:41:16,778 --> 00:41:20,782 [sighs] 876 00:41:20,826 --> 00:41:22,523 FAITH: Of course they were upset, you know? 877 00:41:22,567 --> 00:41:23,916 But they were like, "Thank you 878 00:41:23,959 --> 00:41:26,135 for telling us, we haven't seen her." 879 00:41:26,179 --> 00:41:27,963 And the fact that they had to ask me, 880 00:41:28,007 --> 00:41:30,618 "Well, what does she look like? Was she skinnier?" 881 00:41:30,662 --> 00:41:31,880 Things like that, you shouldn't have to ask 882 00:41:31,924 --> 00:41:33,578 about your own child. 883 00:41:33,621 --> 00:41:35,623 So that hit home for me, and I couldn't imagine 884 00:41:35,667 --> 00:41:37,712 what my parents would feel like if that were me. 885 00:41:39,627 --> 00:41:41,977 So from there, they begin to tell me 886 00:41:42,021 --> 00:41:44,327 more disturbing things about R. Kelly. 887 00:41:44,371 --> 00:41:45,981 And Tim Savage, 888 00:41:46,025 --> 00:41:47,896 he asked me if I had been checked for STDs 889 00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:49,507 since I've been with him. 890 00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:52,031 And I'm like, "Why?" and he's like, 891 00:41:52,074 --> 00:41:55,251 "I know for a fact my daughter has an incurable STD. 892 00:41:55,295 --> 00:41:57,340 And she got it from R. Kelly." 893 00:42:02,389 --> 00:42:05,523 After I reached out to the Savages, 894 00:42:05,566 --> 00:42:06,959 I went and got a blood test 895 00:42:07,002 --> 00:42:09,222 and it came back positive 896 00:42:09,265 --> 00:42:11,529 for herpes. 897 00:42:13,487 --> 00:42:17,273 My initial reaction: I wasn't angry at him. 898 00:42:17,317 --> 00:42:19,145 I was angry at myself. 899 00:42:19,188 --> 00:42:21,626 And I had already came to a point where I decided, 900 00:42:21,669 --> 00:42:23,628 you know, I was done with him. 901 00:42:23,671 --> 00:42:26,326 And then, on the other hand, I was like, 902 00:42:26,369 --> 00:42:29,242 "If it were somebody in my city 903 00:42:29,285 --> 00:42:31,940 "and they gave me a-an STD, I would address it. 904 00:42:31,984 --> 00:42:35,944 I would pretty much makeure they were held accountable." 905 00:42:35,988 --> 00:42:38,686 So why not hold him 906 00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:42,472 on the same platform? 907 00:42:42,516 --> 00:42:46,346 I knew I had to spread the word. 908 00:42:46,389 --> 00:42:48,304 I wasn't gonna wait 909 00:42:48,348 --> 00:42:50,829 ten or 20 years to come out and say he did that to me. 910 00:42:50,872 --> 00:42:52,787 I was gonna come out now. 911 00:42:52,831 --> 00:42:55,573 NEWS REPORTER: A young woman claimed singer R. Kelly 912 00:42:55,616 --> 00:42:58,053 intentionally gave her an STD, 913 00:42:58,097 --> 00:43:00,621 and now Dallas police are investigating. 914 00:43:00,665 --> 00:43:02,623 When Mr. Kelly, who was infested with her-- 915 00:43:02,667 --> 00:43:05,670 uh, infected with herpes, engaged in sexual conduct 916 00:43:05,713 --> 00:43:08,063 with my client without informing him of her status-- 917 00:43:08,107 --> 00:43:10,544 of his status, he committed a crime. 918 00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:14,417 TOURE: So much evidence has been on the table for so long, 919 00:43:14,461 --> 00:43:16,071 and it seems like, in the last two years, 920 00:43:16,115 --> 00:43:20,902 there's been, like, even more momentum of, like, 921 00:43:20,946 --> 00:43:23,905 "Whoa, this sex cult thing," like, "Whoa, this other story. 922 00:43:23,949 --> 00:43:25,864 Whoa, this woman he gave an STD to." 923 00:43:25,907 --> 00:43:28,867 Why is RCA Records still in business with him? 924 00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:30,564 R. Kelly is not really 925 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:32,958 an active recording artist right now. 926 00:43:33,001 --> 00:43:34,916 He's not on the roster. 927 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,788 RCA does not expect 928 00:43:36,831 --> 00:43:39,355 a new album from him this year or next year. 929 00:43:39,399 --> 00:43:42,054 There are a lot of music business institutions 930 00:43:42,097 --> 00:43:45,318 that we need to look at to say, "Why are you continuing 931 00:43:45,361 --> 00:43:47,189 to support this after all this time?" 932 00:43:47,233 --> 00:43:50,410 BURKE: There were a series of events 933 00:43:50,453 --> 00:43:51,933 in the spring that really amplified 934 00:43:51,977 --> 00:43:53,718 the work around R. Kelly. 935 00:43:53,761 --> 00:43:55,676 [audience cheering] 936 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:57,678 We really haven't had 937 00:43:57,722 --> 00:43:59,680 a person in hip-hop who just straight-out said, 938 00:43:59,724 --> 00:44:01,508 "He's guilty." 939 00:44:01,551 --> 00:44:03,902 So Vince Staples at Coachella makes this statement 940 00:44:03,945 --> 00:44:07,427 about R. Kelly being a pedophile and it goes viral. 941 00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:09,211 R. Kelly never went to jail and he's a [bleep] child molester. 942 00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:11,692 -Okay, let's never talk about R.... -He's a child molester. 943 00:44:11,736 --> 00:44:13,999 I'm a good person, all right? R. Kelly is a piece of [bleep]. 944 00:44:14,042 --> 00:44:16,349 So, if a piece of [bleep] R. Kelly didn't go to jail 945 00:44:16,392 --> 00:44:18,090 for being a child molester and peeing on people 946 00:44:18,133 --> 00:44:20,005 and having a human trafficking ring in Atlanta, 947 00:44:20,048 --> 00:44:21,702 then I'll be all right. 948 00:44:21,746 --> 00:44:23,748 So we're seeing people now starting to, 949 00:44:23,791 --> 00:44:26,359 to kind of get on board and that tide is turning. 950 00:44:26,402 --> 00:44:29,449 Making a song with R. Kelly was a mistake. 951 00:44:29,492 --> 00:44:33,714 ♪ Turn that star up in paradise... ♪ 952 00:44:33,758 --> 00:44:38,545 I didn't value the accusers' stories, like... 953 00:44:38,588 --> 00:44:40,939 -Hmm. -Because they were blackmailing him. 954 00:44:40,982 --> 00:44:42,680 I made a mistake. 955 00:44:42,723 --> 00:44:44,551 CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD: I can't even exert 956 00:44:44,594 --> 00:44:47,336 any more energy telling y'all how-how trash R. Kelly is. 957 00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:49,556 I've been saying R. Kelly is trash for years. 958 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,601 I-I think R. Kelly is on everybody's, uh, 959 00:44:51,645 --> 00:44:53,429 permanently cancelled list. 960 00:44:53,473 --> 00:44:55,040 All of this is wrong. 961 00:44:55,083 --> 00:44:57,477 R. Kelly has a sickness. [chuckles] 962 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,653 Yes, I believe R. Kelly's a dirtbag scumbag, 963 00:44:59,697 --> 00:45:01,611 and somebody should press charges 964 00:45:01,655 --> 00:45:03,831 and try to prosecute again. 965 00:45:03,875 --> 00:45:07,008 Press charges, let's go! Ride out! 966 00:45:07,052 --> 00:45:10,751 BURKE: Tom Joyner is the Black America Radio Host. 967 00:45:10,795 --> 00:45:13,014 He has hundreds 968 00:45:13,058 --> 00:45:15,538 of syndicated radio stations around the country. 969 00:45:15,582 --> 00:45:17,932 He had continued to play his music and so, 970 00:45:17,976 --> 00:45:20,369 it felt to me like there was an-- huge support 971 00:45:20,413 --> 00:45:22,850 from Tom Joyner around R. Kelly. 972 00:45:22,894 --> 00:45:24,939 We need theTom Joyner Morning Show 973 00:45:24,983 --> 00:45:27,289 -to stop supporting R. Kelly. -TOM JOYNER: You got it. 974 00:45:27,333 --> 00:45:29,204 Yeah, I won't play any more R. Kelly music. 975 00:45:29,248 --> 00:45:30,466 And I was actually shocked. [chuckles] 976 00:45:30,510 --> 00:45:32,207 I was shocked. 977 00:45:32,251 --> 00:45:34,383 Pleasantly, you know, it's clearly-- 978 00:45:34,427 --> 00:45:36,342 but, it's-- that's a big deal. 979 00:45:36,385 --> 00:45:37,778 It felt like a victory. 980 00:45:37,822 --> 00:45:39,475 Radio host like Tom Joyner, 981 00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:41,303 um, say "We're not gonna play him anymore," 982 00:45:41,347 --> 00:45:44,785 and this is at the core of, you know, the R. Kelly audience 983 00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:46,700 and the type of stations that would play him. 984 00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:49,659 Um, this is highly significant. 985 00:45:49,703 --> 00:45:52,314 ANN POWERS: I think Mute R. Kelly is a great example 986 00:45:52,358 --> 00:45:55,883 of the viral way that activism is happening 987 00:45:55,927 --> 00:45:59,800 around Me Too and these issues in the music industry. 988 00:46:02,237 --> 00:46:05,588 BURKE: May of 2018, 989 00:46:05,632 --> 00:46:08,940 the Women of Color and Time's Up got together and wrote 990 00:46:08,983 --> 00:46:10,768 this public letter and it went viral. 991 00:46:10,811 --> 00:46:12,378 WENDY WILLIAMS: There's a group 992 00:46:12,421 --> 00:46:17,252 of really powerful black women, including: Shonda Rhimes, 993 00:46:17,296 --> 00:46:21,126 Eva Longoria, Ava DuVernay, Kerry Washington, Viola Davis. 994 00:46:21,169 --> 00:46:23,128 They've all announced this campaign 995 00:46:23,171 --> 00:46:24,607 that they're on-- behind: 996 00:46:24,651 --> 00:46:27,045 -Mute R. Kelly. -[cheering] 997 00:46:27,088 --> 00:46:28,611 Other celebrities, non-black celebrities, 998 00:46:28,655 --> 00:46:29,830 who also amplified it. 999 00:46:35,836 --> 00:46:37,316 So, that's huge. 1000 00:46:39,448 --> 00:46:40,972 ORONIKE: The Me Too movement and Time's Up movement 1001 00:46:41,015 --> 00:46:42,974 coming behind the Mute R. Kelly movement 1002 00:46:43,017 --> 00:46:46,151 have really kind of helped push that, you know, forward 1003 00:46:46,194 --> 00:46:47,848 in the national consciousness. 1004 00:46:47,892 --> 00:46:50,111 It's one thing for Oronike to say, 1005 00:46:50,155 --> 00:46:51,678 "You should stop listening to R. Kelly." 1006 00:46:51,721 --> 00:46:54,463 It's another thing for Ava DuVernay. 1007 00:46:54,507 --> 00:46:58,250 And if John Legend coming out, and Questlove coming out? 1008 00:46:58,293 --> 00:47:00,643 Other men who have come out, that makes people think 1009 00:47:00,687 --> 00:47:02,558 about it in a different kind of a way. 1010 00:47:02,602 --> 00:47:04,517 And the response we got from it was just overwhelming. 1011 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,911 I mean, it just-- people who had never heard of it, 1012 00:47:06,954 --> 00:47:09,043 they thought we started this movement yesterday. 1013 00:47:09,087 --> 00:47:11,698 And as the movement has ex-- has expanded, 1014 00:47:11,741 --> 00:47:14,353 people have kind of dictated where it's going. 1015 00:47:14,396 --> 00:47:17,747 They said to us, you know, "Hey, what about streaming? 1016 00:47:17,791 --> 00:47:20,359 You guys should go after streaming." 1017 00:47:20,402 --> 00:47:23,101 Streaming service Spotify is removing R. Kelly's music 1018 00:47:23,144 --> 00:47:25,451 from its playlists and recommendations. 1019 00:47:25,494 --> 00:47:28,062 It's just the latest in the growing backlash against Kelly, 1020 00:47:28,106 --> 00:47:31,109 who's been accused of sexual misconduct for decades. 1021 00:47:31,152 --> 00:47:32,458 ORONIKE: Spotify saying, basically, 1022 00:47:32,501 --> 00:47:33,720 they're gonna, like, downgrade him, 1023 00:47:33,763 --> 00:47:35,809 so they're no longer going to put him 1024 00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:37,332 on curated playlists or sponsored playlists, 1025 00:47:37,376 --> 00:47:38,464 is important. 1026 00:47:47,299 --> 00:47:49,692 NEWS ANCHOR: R. Kelly apologizes to fans 1027 00:47:49,736 --> 00:47:52,826 after a Chicago concert is abruptly cancelled. 1028 00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:56,047 Promoters opted to pull Kelly out of the lineup 1029 00:47:56,090 --> 00:47:58,614 that included Xscap3 and Lyfe Jennings. 1030 00:47:58,658 --> 00:48:00,268 ORONIKE: To get Chicago to say, 1031 00:48:00,312 --> 00:48:02,792 "We don't want you here. You can't perform," 1032 00:48:02,836 --> 00:48:05,186 was just an amazing victory. I mean, I-I was floored 1033 00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:07,319 when I heard that they decided to cancel that concert, 1034 00:48:07,362 --> 00:48:09,147 but it was so important. 1035 00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:10,539 Yo, what's up, y'all? 1036 00:48:10,583 --> 00:48:12,715 This ya boy, Kells, man, and, uh... 1037 00:48:12,759 --> 00:48:14,935 I don't know why they cancelled the show. 1038 00:48:14,979 --> 00:48:17,024 Um, I never heard of a show being cancelled 1039 00:48:17,068 --> 00:48:18,896 because of rumors. 1040 00:48:18,939 --> 00:48:20,506 Don't put that on me. You know? 1041 00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:21,942 That ain't on me, all right? 1042 00:48:21,986 --> 00:48:23,988 The more we talk about this, 1043 00:48:24,031 --> 00:48:28,601 the more we see what R. Kelly has been doing historically, 1044 00:48:28,644 --> 00:48:30,168 over and over and over again. 1045 00:48:30,211 --> 00:48:33,214 And then all these cases that he's settled. 1046 00:48:33,258 --> 00:48:35,913 We have to keep pushing, and keep pushing 1047 00:48:35,956 --> 00:48:39,612 till we get some indictments, you know? Keep pushing. 1048 00:48:39,655 --> 00:48:42,354 For some reason, he has-- he is-- he's Teflon. 1049 00:48:42,397 --> 00:48:44,443 And I don't get that. 1050 00:48:44,486 --> 00:48:46,619 I don't get why the justice system 1051 00:48:46,662 --> 00:48:49,665 can't bring him to justice. 1052 00:48:49,709 --> 00:48:53,191 LEGEND: He is a serial abuser 1053 00:48:53,234 --> 00:48:56,455 that has, uh, gotten away with it for far too long. 1054 00:48:56,498 --> 00:48:58,892 And I think time's up for R. Kelly. 1055 00:48:58,936 --> 00:49:01,416 Um, being accepted by the entertainment industry 1056 00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:04,071 a-and just kind of allowed to, uh, 1057 00:49:04,115 --> 00:49:06,595 make money and be treated as though he didn't do 1058 00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:10,251 all these terrible things, um, time's up for that. 1059 00:49:10,295 --> 00:49:12,166 WOMAN: Mute R. Kelly! 1060 00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:13,341 PROTESTERS: Mute R. Kelly! 1061 00:49:25,832 --> 00:49:28,835 ANGELO: Not having any contact with Azriel, 1062 00:49:28,878 --> 00:49:30,793 we started growing suspicious. 1063 00:49:30,837 --> 00:49:34,145 We started investigating, and once we found out 1064 00:49:34,188 --> 00:49:37,539 her iCloud was still under her mother name, 1065 00:49:37,583 --> 00:49:41,108 we went into it and looked at text messages, 1066 00:49:41,152 --> 00:49:43,371 and we found some really disturbing text messages 1067 00:49:43,415 --> 00:49:45,243 between them. 1068 00:49:45,286 --> 00:49:50,639 They had sex in Florida that first time they met. 1069 00:49:50,683 --> 00:49:53,251 In, uh, 2015, when she was 17 years old. 1070 00:49:56,863 --> 00:50:00,345 It makes me feel, as a father... 1071 00:50:00,388 --> 00:50:03,000 less than a man, if that makes sense. 1072 00:50:06,655 --> 00:50:10,529 A piece of me seemed to die off. 1073 00:50:10,572 --> 00:50:13,271 I don't know anything about the Azriel that's 20 now. 1074 00:50:16,752 --> 00:50:19,799 My daughter's no different than the Savages. 1075 00:50:19,842 --> 00:50:22,062 I think the TMZarticle 1076 00:50:22,106 --> 00:50:24,456 with Joy Savage was a statement 1077 00:50:24,499 --> 00:50:27,850 to every mother and every father that has a daughter. 1078 00:50:27,894 --> 00:50:29,678 That's a predator that's telling y'all, 1079 00:50:29,722 --> 00:50:32,333 "I don't care what y'all think about me. 1080 00:50:32,377 --> 00:50:34,553 "I'm-a show you, I'm-a get these girls to do 1081 00:50:34,596 --> 00:50:37,208 what I want 'em to do, when I want 'em to do." 1082 00:50:37,251 --> 00:50:41,734 And if anybody need education, go look at some pimp movies. 1083 00:50:41,777 --> 00:50:45,781 Go look atSuperfly and all them old '60s movies. 1084 00:50:45,825 --> 00:50:49,611 R. Kelly blueprint is the same as a pimp. 1085 00:50:49,655 --> 00:50:50,786 And what they doing is showing you, 1086 00:50:50,830 --> 00:50:52,484 "I don't care how much you cry, 1087 00:50:52,527 --> 00:50:53,920 'I want my daughter, I want my daughter!'" 1088 00:50:53,963 --> 00:50:55,226 Your daughter going to be 1089 00:50:55,269 --> 00:50:56,966 whatever he want her to be 1090 00:50:57,010 --> 00:51:00,579 until he finish with her and give her back. 1091 00:51:00,622 --> 00:51:03,147 And I'm not putting down any other father, 1092 00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:05,323 but it's a little different 1093 00:51:05,366 --> 00:51:06,802 when he dealing with me. 1094 00:51:06,846 --> 00:51:09,892 We not going to do "Hey" toTMZ, 1095 00:51:09,936 --> 00:51:11,198 the BuzzFeed back and forth. 1096 00:51:11,242 --> 00:51:12,678 We're not going to play that game. 1097 00:51:26,257 --> 00:51:29,129 ALICE: Azriel! 1098 00:51:29,173 --> 00:51:31,088 Az! 1099 00:51:33,568 --> 00:51:36,005 Azriel, open the door! 1100 00:51:37,224 --> 00:51:39,835 Azzy. 1101 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,147 I know she ain't going to open that mother[bleep] studio door. 1102 00:51:47,191 --> 00:51:49,584 CAMERAMAN: How you know she in there? 1103 00:51:49,628 --> 00:51:52,021 -ALICE: Yeah, how you doing? -We have word that she here. 1104 00:51:52,065 --> 00:51:53,588 ALICE: I need to do a welfare check. 1105 00:51:53,632 --> 00:51:56,635 She may be harmed or something, but I need to see 1106 00:51:56,678 --> 00:51:57,984 if my daughter's okay. 1107 00:51:58,027 --> 00:51:59,116 I have not seen her in three years. 1108 00:52:02,162 --> 00:52:03,859 ALICE: Dominique, she escaped, 1109 00:52:03,903 --> 00:52:05,644 and she's home with her mom now. 1110 00:52:05,687 --> 00:52:10,083 And she was the one that told us that Azriel actually is-- 1111 00:52:10,127 --> 00:52:12,390 was left in Chicago, up here in a studio. 1112 00:52:12,433 --> 00:52:16,133 I need to get in and make sure that she's okay. 1113 00:52:16,176 --> 00:52:17,917 All right, thank you. 1114 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,180 She basically said that Azriel has been 1115 00:52:20,224 --> 00:52:22,226 wanting to leave for a while, and that, uh, 1116 00:52:22,269 --> 00:52:24,271 she actually escaped before, and they found her 1117 00:52:24,315 --> 00:52:25,490 running down the street or something. 1118 00:52:25,533 --> 00:52:27,405 And so they brought her back. 1119 00:52:27,448 --> 00:52:29,668 You know, that's why she don't really have any-- 1120 00:52:29,711 --> 00:52:33,367 I guess she don't get to be around nobody else anymore. 1121 00:52:33,411 --> 00:52:34,455 So, I don't know. 1122 00:52:36,675 --> 00:52:39,199 I'm Alice Clary. I'm the one who placed the call. 1123 00:52:39,243 --> 00:52:41,462 Our daughter, we got a tip that she's here 1124 00:52:41,506 --> 00:52:44,117 and she's trying to leave, so we need to do a wellness check. 1125 00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,253 ALICE: We think here. We don't know. 1126 00:52:49,296 --> 00:52:51,255 POLICE OFFICER: She didn't say anything? 1127 00:52:51,298 --> 00:52:53,431 ALICE: She's been here with him for three years. 1128 00:52:53,474 --> 00:52:56,085 We have not seen our daughter in three years. 1129 00:52:59,001 --> 00:53:00,177 ALICE: Mm-hmm. 1130 00:53:04,311 --> 00:53:06,748 The police said there was nothing they can do 1131 00:53:06,792 --> 00:53:10,056 as a well check if nobody's willing to open the door. 1132 00:53:10,099 --> 00:53:12,406 So... at this point we just got to wait and see 1133 00:53:12,450 --> 00:53:14,234 if somebody can open the door. 1134 00:53:14,278 --> 00:53:15,975 I'm going to stay here all night, I'm not leaving. 1135 00:53:16,018 --> 00:53:18,195 ANGELO: Hey! 1136 00:53:19,718 --> 00:53:21,546 [rock clatters] 1137 00:53:23,243 --> 00:53:25,158 ALICE: At this point, 1138 00:53:25,202 --> 00:53:29,249 if you are our daughter, then come back outside or something. 1139 00:53:29,293 --> 00:53:31,599 Talk to us or whatever. Let us know something. 1140 00:53:31,643 --> 00:53:33,427 ANGELO: Hey! 1141 00:53:33,471 --> 00:53:35,603 -ALICE [screams]: Open the door! -ANGELO: Hey! 1142 00:53:35,647 --> 00:53:37,518 CAMERAMAN: [bleep] [bleep] Stop, stop, stop. 1143 00:53:37,562 --> 00:53:40,217 ALICE: Clearly, someone is in the building. 1144 00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:42,306 We just watched a young lady come up, 1145 00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:44,090 turn the lights off, close the blinds and everything, so... 1146 00:53:44,133 --> 00:53:45,787 PRODUCER: Mmm... 1147 00:53:45,831 --> 00:53:47,224 But we couldn't tell. It kind of looked like 1148 00:53:47,267 --> 00:53:48,225 it could have been her, 1149 00:53:48,268 --> 00:53:49,269 but she did it so quick. 1150 00:53:49,313 --> 00:53:50,749 PRODUCER: Mm-hmm. 1151 00:53:50,792 --> 00:53:52,359 ALICE: We just seen a silo-- like, 1152 00:53:52,403 --> 00:53:53,926 you know, her do it, like, her arm-- 1153 00:53:53,969 --> 00:53:56,102 I don't know. 1154 00:53:56,145 --> 00:53:57,277 [Angelo pleading] 1155 00:54:06,417 --> 00:54:08,593 This a bad place for any parent to be. 1156 00:54:08,636 --> 00:54:10,464 You know, outside of a building... 1157 00:54:10,508 --> 00:54:12,161 ALICE: You don't know everything! 1158 00:54:12,205 --> 00:54:15,295 ANGELO: ...that your child may be in, or may not be in. 1159 00:54:15,339 --> 00:54:16,949 This might as well be a prison. 1160 00:54:21,214 --> 00:54:24,173 ALICE: I need to see that that young girl is not my daughter. 1161 00:54:24,217 --> 00:54:26,350 ANGELO: We want to make sure it ain't her. 1162 00:54:26,393 --> 00:54:29,091 ALICE: This is the only lead we have had in three years. 1163 00:54:29,135 --> 00:54:30,658 I am desperate at this point. 1164 00:54:30,702 --> 00:54:32,486 I don't want nothing from none of them. 1165 00:54:32,530 --> 00:54:35,097 They play a lot games with this man, that's on them. 1166 00:54:35,141 --> 00:54:36,447 If they want to protect a [bleep] pedophile, 1167 00:54:36,490 --> 00:54:38,057 that's on them, that's cool. 1168 00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:40,059 I just need to know if my daughter is in there. 1169 00:54:40,102 --> 00:54:43,149 If she is of age and she says no, that's fine, I will leave. 1170 00:54:43,192 --> 00:54:45,107 I just need to see if that is her. 1171 00:55:00,645 --> 00:55:03,300 I don't know. 1172 00:55:03,343 --> 00:55:06,651 At this point... uh... 1173 00:55:18,924 --> 00:55:22,493 d a very 1174 00:55:22,536 --> 00:55:24,364 interesting conversation with him 1175 00:55:24,408 --> 00:55:27,236 that lasted for about two hours last spring. 1176 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,412 All of a sudden, the phone rings. 1177 00:55:28,455 --> 00:55:30,501 And the conversation that I had with him, 1178 00:55:30,544 --> 00:55:32,241 I promised him confidentiality. 1179 00:55:32,285 --> 00:55:34,113 He told me I could ask him anything. 1180 00:55:34,156 --> 00:55:37,508 And I asked him everything. 1181 00:55:37,551 --> 00:55:40,902 And he answered... everything. 1182 00:55:40,946 --> 00:55:44,384 I don't know why he wanted to talk to me. 1183 00:55:44,428 --> 00:55:47,474 It was almost like he wanted to purge or something. 1184 00:55:47,518 --> 00:55:49,694 He didn't tell me he likes young girls. 1185 00:55:49,737 --> 00:55:53,437 He told me he likes petite women. 1186 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,962 You know, a particular height and size. 1187 00:55:57,005 --> 00:56:00,444 He didn't say he likes young girls, but the court records-- 1188 00:56:00,487 --> 00:56:03,403 you know, the allegations-- speak for themselves. 1189 00:56:03,447 --> 00:56:06,580 He doesn't have to say it. 1190 00:56:06,624 --> 00:56:08,408 And when we finished having our conversation, 1191 00:56:08,452 --> 00:56:10,541 the "I Admit" song came out. 1192 00:56:10,584 --> 00:56:14,632 Singer R. Kelly released a new 19-minute song today 1193 00:56:14,675 --> 00:56:17,417 that addresses several sexual abuse allegations against him. 1194 00:56:17,461 --> 00:56:21,943 The song is titled "I Admit" and is posted to SoundCloud. 1195 00:56:21,987 --> 00:56:24,424 ♪ I admit it, I did-- did it 1196 00:56:24,468 --> 00:56:26,513 ♪ 1197 00:56:34,478 --> 00:56:37,132 Like a lot of his music, it's very much telling on himself. 1198 00:56:37,176 --> 00:56:39,091 ♪ 1199 00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:44,183 ♪ I admit, I admit, I admit. 1200 00:56:44,226 --> 00:56:46,925 Having been around music culture my whole life, 1201 00:56:46,968 --> 00:56:49,493 in the past, R. Kelly's always been able to make 1202 00:56:49,536 --> 00:56:51,886 his outrageousness into a story that sells. 1203 00:56:51,930 --> 00:56:54,019 So, it was just par for the course 1204 00:56:54,062 --> 00:56:57,109 when he released "I Admit." 1205 00:56:57,152 --> 00:56:59,938 It's the dumbest damn 19 minutes in the universe. 1206 00:56:59,981 --> 00:57:01,592 He doesn't admit anything, 1207 00:57:01,635 --> 00:57:04,072 he just proves that he's a narcissist. 1208 00:57:04,116 --> 00:57:06,466 He proves that he's gaslighting. 1209 00:57:06,510 --> 00:57:09,382 He's proving that he's never going to take responsibility 1210 00:57:09,426 --> 00:57:11,819 for his actions. 1211 00:57:11,863 --> 00:57:14,866 GEORGE: It's crazy. Throughout his music, 1212 00:57:14,909 --> 00:57:17,912 he's been remarkably frank about his predilections... 1213 00:57:17,956 --> 00:57:19,784 [crowd shouting] 1214 00:57:19,827 --> 00:57:23,004 ...about his freakiness. 1215 00:57:23,048 --> 00:57:25,137 About levels of control, even. They're in there. 1216 00:57:25,180 --> 00:57:28,314 So, I mean, it's not like he's hidden. 1217 00:57:28,357 --> 00:57:30,795 But we have been afraid to look. 1218 00:57:32,536 --> 00:57:35,452 NORCOTT: Somebody will work hard to have 1219 00:57:35,495 --> 00:57:37,671 a very polished, very popular 1220 00:57:37,715 --> 00:57:41,196 persona in the public so that when somebody 1221 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,764 will make these accusations, 1222 00:57:43,808 --> 00:57:46,898 and they'll be able to say, "Does that even sound like me? 1223 00:57:46,941 --> 00:57:48,943 "Right? Like that-- I would-- I would never do that. 1224 00:57:48,987 --> 00:57:51,511 "Why would I risk all of this, all that I have, 1225 00:57:51,555 --> 00:57:53,774 my-- your perception of me for that?" 1226 00:57:53,818 --> 00:57:58,387 KATHY CHANEY: I really don't think that R. Kelly knows who 1227 00:57:58,431 --> 00:58:00,868 Robert Sylvester Kelly is. 1228 00:58:00,912 --> 00:58:04,045 I think he may be struggling with, "Who am I really? 1229 00:58:04,089 --> 00:58:05,743 Who is this person that I've become?" 1230 00:58:05,786 --> 00:58:08,136 LEGEND: R. Kelly has brought so much pain 1231 00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:09,529 to so many people. 1232 00:58:09,573 --> 00:58:12,489 And he should be ashamed of himself. 1233 00:58:12,532 --> 00:58:14,882 And, um, I hope there is some justice 1234 00:58:14,926 --> 00:58:17,537 done to him at some point. 1235 00:58:17,581 --> 00:58:19,496 ♪ 1236 00:58:25,197 --> 00:58:26,720 PRODUCER: If R. Kelly was watching right now, 1237 00:58:26,764 --> 00:58:29,070 what would you want to say to him directly? 1238 00:58:29,114 --> 00:58:31,899 R. Kelly, if you watching this, 1239 00:58:31,943 --> 00:58:34,336 I just want to hear my daughter voice. 1240 00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:37,905 You're keeping her from not just me and my wife, 1241 00:58:37,949 --> 00:58:39,428 her whole entire family. 1242 00:58:39,472 --> 00:58:42,301 If I ever come across you again, 1243 00:58:42,344 --> 00:58:44,042 it's on and popping. 1244 00:58:44,085 --> 00:58:45,913 That's your head. 1245 00:58:45,957 --> 00:58:47,654 ANGELO: Once she start, I'm right beside her. 1246 00:58:47,698 --> 00:58:49,569 And I don't mind going to jail. 1247 00:58:49,613 --> 00:58:52,441 I've been there before, and I'll go there back again. 1248 00:58:52,485 --> 00:58:56,750 Take responsibility for the lives that you've destroyed. 1249 00:58:56,794 --> 00:58:59,623 JOVANTE: You are not exempt. You are not special. 1250 00:58:59,666 --> 00:59:03,365 You need to see the effects of your behavior. 1251 00:59:03,409 --> 00:59:05,977 [crying]: Quit-- Quit hurting people. 1252 00:59:06,020 --> 00:59:08,980 Quit hurting these girls. 1253 00:59:09,023 --> 00:59:10,547 LIZZETTE: Stop seeki young women 1254 00:59:10,590 --> 00:59:12,331 to fulfill your sexual deviancy. 1255 00:59:12,374 --> 00:59:15,508 This can't keep going on. 1256 00:59:15,552 --> 00:59:17,989 PRODUCER: What do you think Robert's doing right now? 1257 00:59:18,032 --> 00:59:22,776 I hope Robert is trying to get his sense together. 1258 00:59:29,566 --> 00:59:33,613 Whatever is in the dark will come to light. 1259 00:59:33,657 --> 00:59:37,095 And until you do right by all of them girls... 1260 00:59:39,010 --> 00:59:43,841 ...nothing is going to come good to you. 1261 00:59:43,884 --> 00:59:46,191 Mark my word. 1262 01:00:11,085 --> 01:00:13,000 [woman vocalizing] 1263 01:00:13,044 --> 01:00:14,654 ♪ 1264 01:00:34,543 --> 01:00:36,720 I'm just really happy that I can speak out, 1265 01:00:36,763 --> 01:00:38,156 and I don't have to 1266 01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:40,462 accept his money for my silence. 1267 01:00:40,506 --> 01:00:42,377 He's no longer controlling me. 1268 01:00:43,509 --> 01:00:45,424 ♪ 1269 01:00:57,523 --> 01:00:59,525 ♪ We are ready 1270 01:00:59,568 --> 01:01:03,094 ♪ If you didn't know... 1271 01:01:03,137 --> 01:01:05,139 Even though it was hard-- it's even hard 1272 01:01:05,183 --> 01:01:07,533 reliving it and talking about it-- 1273 01:01:07,576 --> 01:01:10,405 I'm proud of telling my story. 1274 01:01:10,449 --> 01:01:12,756 It's a testimony to help other people. 1275 01:01:15,628 --> 01:01:17,978 ♪ We'll be right here 1276 01:01:18,022 --> 01:01:20,546 -♪ Ready -♪ Oh, oh, oh 1277 01:01:20,589 --> 01:01:23,462 ♪ Ready, oh, oh 1278 01:01:23,505 --> 01:01:27,466 -♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah -♪ Oh, oh, oh... 1279 01:01:31,949 --> 01:01:35,039 The reason why I consider myself a survivor: 1280 01:01:35,082 --> 01:01:37,302 because I did not let this break me down. 1281 01:01:37,345 --> 01:01:40,827 I could have easily let this situation-- But I didn't. 1282 01:01:40,871 --> 01:01:42,786 ♪ 1283 01:02:07,375 --> 01:02:09,726 ♪ We are ready 1284 01:02:09,769 --> 01:02:12,163 ♪ Been going on too long 1285 01:02:12,206 --> 01:02:14,556 ♪ We are ready 1286 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,558 ♪ And we've had about enough 1287 01:02:16,602 --> 01:02:19,387 ♪ Oh, we are ready 1288 01:02:19,431 --> 01:02:23,217 ♪ Won't be silent no more... 1289 01:02:23,261 --> 01:02:24,784 I don't like to claim a victim anymore. 1290 01:02:24,828 --> 01:02:27,047 I w-- I was a victim. 1291 01:02:27,091 --> 01:02:28,832 PRODUCER: Are you a survivor? 1292 01:02:28,875 --> 01:02:33,010 I am a survivor. [chuckles] 1293 01:02:33,053 --> 01:02:35,490 -♪ Ready -♪ Oh, oh, oh 1294 01:02:35,534 --> 01:02:37,841 ♪ Ready... 1295 01:02:49,853 --> 01:02:52,116 ♪ Ooh 1296 01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:55,336 ♪ But on this crazy obstacle course I've been on ♪ 1297 01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:58,470 ♪ I mean, now, more than ever 1298 01:02:58,513 --> 01:02:59,732 ♪ I'm ready 1299 01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:03,083 ♪ We are ready 1300 01:03:03,127 --> 01:03:07,305 ♪ We'll be right here, ready. 1301 01:03:07,348 --> 01:03:08,132 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS