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[airy tones and swishing]
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[loud dance music]
[people chattering]
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[Bundy] Hey, let me get those.
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It's okay.
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No, it's cool, I got it.
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[chuckles] Thanks.
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[Margaret] Yeah, thank you.
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So, uh, you girls
at the University?
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Yeah.
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Most of the people in here are.
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You're kinda outta the
usual age range, no?
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Yeah, well, uh,
I'm not a student.
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You don't say? [women chuckle]
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I did go to university,
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in Washington, in the late '60s.
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Washington? What are
you doing out here?
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Traveling.
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So, uh, you girls in a sorority?
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Yeah.
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Which one?
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Why do you wanna know?
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Just making conversation.
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We're in Chi Omega.
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Nice.
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Listen, we were
just heading home.
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We were?
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Uh, it was nice to meet you.
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You girls won't stick around?
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I'm buying.
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No, that's fine.
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Thanks again.
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[thunder rumbles]
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[thunder rumbles]
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[thunder rumbling continuously]
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[tense music]
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[thunder rumbles]
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[hacking]
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[discordant music]
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[thunder rumbles]
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[hacking]
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[tense music]
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[door closes]
[thunder rumbles]
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[Bundy breathing heavily]
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[thunder rumbles]
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Margaret?
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Lisa?
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[thunder crashes]
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[woman screams]
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[tense music]
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[tense music]
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[woman screams]
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So, what have we got?
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Female.
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I'd say she's about 16 or 17.
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Christ.
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Ligature marks
around the throat,
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no defensive wounds
on the hands,
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maybe she was taken by surprise.
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Perhaps approached from behind.
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She's been in the
water for a while.
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[David] Hey.
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Hey, honey.
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Oh.
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Tough day, huh?
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You could say that.
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Deb home?
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Yeah, she's upstairs.
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Tell her dinner will
be ready in half hour.
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[knock on door]
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Yeah?
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Hey, Dad.
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Hey, how was school today?
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Ah, you know, the usual.
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A main course of
government propaganda
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with a side of condescension.
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You don't say things like
that to your teachers, do you?
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[chuckles] No.
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I toe the line like a good girl.
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[chuckles] Thank you.
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[Debra chuckles]
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[instrumentals sting]
[woman screams]
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[instrumental sting]
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You okay, Dad?
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Um, yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
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Your mother said dinner
will be ready in half hour.
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Cool, thanks.
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[Sandra chuckles]
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Mm, that's nice.
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It's so good.
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Water?
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-Mm.
-Did you make this
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from the box again?
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[David chuckles]
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-How did you know?
-'Cause it's really good.
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[David] Cheeky.
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And it's better than
your other one.
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-Don't be so cheeky.
-Better than my other one?
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Mm-hmm.
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I don't know.
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So...
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Mm-hmm?
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What's happened today?
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Well, you've got a funny
story about Mrs. Appleby,
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don't you?
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[David chuckles]
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I think she stole the
other neighbor's baby.
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[chuckles] What?
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Yeah, 'cause I heard crying
coming from her house.
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[phone rings]
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Maybe it was her granddaughter.
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[phone rings]
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Hello?
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[Tom on phone] It's Tom, sorry
to bother you at home,
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but you need to hear this.
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What is it?
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We found three more.
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Three more?
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Bodies.
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In the Green River.
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[tense music]
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[hangs up phone]
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[coroner sighs]
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The ligature marks to the neck
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are consistent with an
approach from behind.
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All the victims share
the same features,
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the ligature marks,
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no defensive wounds
to the hands or arms,
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all had recently had sex.
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Both the missing women
worked as prostitutes.
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They were last seen at the
SeaTac strip, near the airport.
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Looks like we have a
serial killer on our hands.
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This isn't random opportunism.
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If all the victims share
the same profession,
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the killer's
cruising prostitutes.
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These women came
with him willingly.
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He may well be a regular
down on the strip.
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Considering the lack
of defensive marks
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and recent sexual activity,
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the women could've been
killed post-coitus,
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or even mid-coitus.
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Clear signs of
sexual motivation.
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We've had calls from the press.
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This is gonna be big news.
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You wanna handle the briefing?
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Sure.
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[camera shutters clicking]
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[Reporter] Have you
put any surveillance
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on the SeaTac strip?
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No, not at this stage.
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How many officers have you
put onto the task force?
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Um, that number I cannot
tell you right now.
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We'll get back to you on that.
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[Reporter] How much is this
going to cost the taxpayer?
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I can't answer that.
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Next.
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Is there any truth to the rumor
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that the police are not
taking this seriously
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because it involves prostitutes?
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No, [scoffs] there
is no truth in that.
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Anyone else?
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Well, do you have any suspects?
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[camera shutters clicking]
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No, no, no.
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Are we done?
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Thank you for coming.
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Thank you.
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[camera shutters clicking]
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[knock on door]
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Yeah.
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Detective Richards?
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Yes.
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I'm Bob Keller,
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I work with the FBI
Behavioral Science Unit.
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Come in.
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So, what brings
you to Green River?
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[Bob sighs]
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I saw the press conference.
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I thought maybe I could help.
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You gonna help me improve
my public relations skills?
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You know what we do at the
Behavioral Science Unit,
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Detective Richards?
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I'm vaguely familiar.
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Call me David.
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Okay, David.
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We develop and provide
programs of training,
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research, and consultation
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in the behavioral
and social sciences
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for the FBI and law
enforcement community.
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If you don't catch
this killer quick,
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dealing with the press
isn't gonna get any easier.
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Well, I've set up a task force,
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led by myself and
Detective Tom Johnson.
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We've had confirmation
all of the victims
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frequented an area
known for prostitution.
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It's likely the killer is
a regular visitor there,
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so we're staking it out, as
well as the Green River itself.
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But it may make it easier to
identify the killer's habits
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if we formed a
psychological profile.
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And that's something
I can help you with.
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Sure.
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Have you ever had
any direct experience
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with a serial killer,
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beyond just consulting
on the case files?
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I have.
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Back in '74, I was a rookie
detective in King County.
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Two girls disappeared from
Lake Sammamish State Park
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and several of us were assigned
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to assist the Issaquah Police.
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I became part of a task force.
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We identified Ted Bundy
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as the main suspect
in the murders.
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You came face to face with him?
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Yeah,
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I sat in on one of
his first interviews
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after he was arrested.
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What was he like?
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On the surface, very
articulate, always polite.
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In many ways, he reminded
me of a politician.
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Smart appearance
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and he knew how to dance
around the tough questions
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and divert the conversation
towards his own agenda.
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But you saw through it?
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I realized I had a nose
for this kind of thing.
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I knew the moment he sat
down in that interview room,
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he was wearing a mask of sanity.
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I saw the truth
behind those eyes.
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He's on death row now, right?
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Yeah.
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Actually, I've interviewed him
several times
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since he was convicted.
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There are lots of murders
he hasn't confessed to
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and bodies which
we never recovered.
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I think he will only
give up the information
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if he can get
something out of it,
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like a reprieve from execution.
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Ironically, for a man who dealt
out so much death to others,
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he fears dying.
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So, what are your
thoughts on this one, Bob?
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Can you help us build a profile?
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I'd say so.
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[tense music]
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Obviously, the first
determination
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is that these murders
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were very likely the
work of one person.
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The same modus operandi
was employed in each death,
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and body clusters often suggest
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that one individual
is responsible.
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He has familiarity
with the Green River
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and surrounding area.
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This suggests a local man.
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He was likely raised in a
family with marital discord
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and physically and
emotionally abused.
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Possibly even strict religious
or puritanical morals
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imposed by one or both parents.
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I'd say he's currently between
his mid-20s and mid-30s.
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Given that all
the victims so far
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have worked in prostitution,
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we can assume that the killer
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has frequented the red light
district for sexual encounters
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which didn't always
end in murder.
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However, there will
likely be self-loathing
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as a result of these encounters,
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and it may trigger his
deep-seated hatred of women.
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Murderers who strangle often
speak of an intimate connection
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they feel with the
victim as they die.
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It's twisted to you and I,
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but this man may feel
at his most alive
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when he's causing death.
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That's why I know
he'll strike again.
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Every day, he deals with
the scars of childhood,
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poor relationships, and a
generally unremarkable life.
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00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,667
That buzz he gets from killing,
274
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:53,771
he'll seek it out at every
opportunity available to him.
275
00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:16,994
[woman screaming]
276
00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:25,803
Strangulation,
same as the others.
277
00:18:25,805 --> 00:18:27,672
[David] How old is she?
278
00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:29,974
I'd say she's in her 30s.
279
00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:31,642
They've all varied in age.
280
00:18:31,644 --> 00:18:35,646
It's clear that isn't a
factor when selecting victims.
281
00:18:36,015 --> 00:18:38,649
I bet this one
works the strip too.
282
00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:40,551
She's been posed
very deliberately.
283
00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:44,188
There's fish and a wine
bottle entwined with her body.
284
00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:45,923
They weren't placed by accident.
285
00:18:45,925 --> 00:18:48,226
He didn't do that with
any of the other victims.
286
00:18:48,228 --> 00:18:50,194
Could be some kind
of religious motive?
287
00:18:50,196 --> 00:18:52,497
That ties in with the
strict religious parents
288
00:18:52,499 --> 00:18:54,732
you mentioned in
the briefing, Bob.
289
00:18:54,734 --> 00:18:55,733
Could be,
290
00:18:55,735 --> 00:18:57,502
could also be game-playing.
291
00:18:57,637 --> 00:18:58,536
How do you mean?
292
00:18:58,538 --> 00:19:00,705
He watches the news
like everybody else,
293
00:19:00,707 --> 00:19:02,006
he could be sending us a message
294
00:19:02,008 --> 00:19:05,376
or having a personal
joke on our expense.
295
00:19:05,378 --> 00:19:07,912
She was stripped
naked like the others,
296
00:19:07,914 --> 00:19:08,913
but they found her dress
297
00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:10,781
just a few yards
down the riverbank.
298
00:19:10,783 --> 00:19:12,683
We bagged it and took it in.
299
00:19:12,685 --> 00:19:15,119
No sign of any
other items so far.
300
00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:17,255
Is he getting sloppy?
301
00:19:17,257 --> 00:19:18,489
Maybe.
302
00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:20,424
Or, like I said,
he's taunting us.
303
00:19:20,426 --> 00:19:22,994
Catch me if you
can, so to speak.
304
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,780
[static]
305
00:19:42,782 --> 00:19:44,282
[Reporter] Do you
have any suspects?
306
00:19:44,284 --> 00:19:45,283
Out of the way, please.
307
00:19:45,285 --> 00:19:46,617
[Reporter] Have you
made any arrests?
308
00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:47,451
No comment.
309
00:19:47,453 --> 00:19:48,653
Nothing to say at this stage.
310
00:19:48,655 --> 00:19:50,021
[Reporter] How many
more are gonna die?
311
00:19:50,023 --> 00:19:50,888
Out of the way, please.
312
00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:51,622
Excuse me.
313
00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:52,223
Excuse me.
314
00:19:56,229 --> 00:19:57,328
[tense music]
315
00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,797
[Reporter on TV] In Seattle,
another grim discovery today
316
00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:03,301
that could be connected to the
string of Green River murders
317
00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:05,570
that have shaken
that West Coast city.
318
00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:08,573
Explorer scouts today
found a fourth skull
319
00:20:08,575 --> 00:20:10,541
off in a wooded
area outside of town
320
00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:13,878
where three other skeletons
were discovered this weekend.
321
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,782
Most of the victims have
been young prostitutes.
322
00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:21,052
So, Sandra, how did
you and Dave meet?
323
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,854
We actually went to
the same high school,
324
00:20:23,856 --> 00:20:25,690
but we didn't really meet there.
325
00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:29,126
I used to see her in the
stands at the football games.
326
00:20:29,128 --> 00:20:30,328
I found it quite distracting,
327
00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:33,397
pretty sure I missed a few
catches because of her.
328
00:20:33,399 --> 00:20:35,199
[chuckles] Yeah, right.
329
00:20:35,201 --> 00:20:39,737
Anyway, um, I worked after
school at the local library,
330
00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:41,939
my mom worked there for
years, so she got me a job.
331
00:20:41,941 --> 00:20:43,708
It was just around the
corner from my house,
332
00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:47,745
so I'd go in every day after
school, [Sandra chuckles]
333
00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:48,946
check out some books.
334
00:20:48,948 --> 00:20:52,717
I'd find pretty much any
excuse to talk to her.
335
00:20:52,719 --> 00:20:53,918
[Sandra chuckles]
336
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,153
About...after two months,
337
00:20:56,155 --> 00:20:59,757
Dave had this huge
stack of overdue books.
338
00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,727
I liked talking to him, so
I didn't wanna remind him,
339
00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:05,896
and, um, then he
realized on his own
340
00:21:05,898 --> 00:21:08,766
and brought in this
big stack of books.
341
00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:11,102
And I told him I would
get rid of the fees
342
00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:14,305
if he took me out to
dinner, which he did,
343
00:21:14,307 --> 00:21:16,207
and here we are.
344
00:21:16,676 --> 00:21:18,109
What a great story.
345
00:21:18,578 --> 00:21:20,011
Are you married, Bob?
346
00:21:20,413 --> 00:21:21,646
I was...
347
00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:23,447
to Kathleen.
348
00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:27,818
She died a year ago, cancer.
349
00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:31,055
Oh, god, I'm so sorry.
350
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,632
Hey, Deb?
351
00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:43,301
[door closes]
352
00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:44,969
What was that about?
353
00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:45,836
I don't know.
354
00:21:45,838 --> 00:21:47,772
Do you want me to
go talk to her?
355
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:48,906
No,
356
00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:49,940
no,
357
00:21:49,942 --> 00:21:51,142
I'll go.
358
00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,144
Excuse me.
359
00:21:57,483 --> 00:21:58,983
[light knocking on door]
360
00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:00,184
What?
361
00:22:02,088 --> 00:22:03,387
You okay?
362
00:22:03,389 --> 00:22:05,156
[scoffs] Not really.
363
00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:07,858
Have I done something wrong?
364
00:22:09,429 --> 00:22:11,529
[Debra groans]
365
00:22:11,531 --> 00:22:16,600
I'm sorry, it's just, I
was at a party earlier,
366
00:22:16,602 --> 00:22:19,337
some guys started saying things.
367
00:22:19,639 --> 00:22:21,205
About what?
368
00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:24,075
You.
369
00:22:24,577 --> 00:22:26,410
What did they say?
370
00:22:28,915 --> 00:22:30,414
They said everyone in town
371
00:22:30,416 --> 00:22:32,783
knows you're
messing up the case.
372
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,052
Some of them said
that their parents
373
00:22:35,054 --> 00:22:38,889
watch you on the news
and call you names.
374
00:22:39,058 --> 00:22:40,858
What kinda names?
375
00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:44,195
[chuckles] They say you
don't have any balls,
376
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:50,234
and that you're too weak
to catch the killer.
377
00:22:55,108 --> 00:22:57,408
I'm sorry you had to hear that.
378
00:22:58,478 --> 00:22:59,677
I know it's not your fault,
379
00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:02,346
I'm sorry for getting
mad, it's just--
380
00:23:02,348 --> 00:23:06,317
You have every
right to be annoyed.
381
00:23:06,753 --> 00:23:10,354
It's my job, you
didn't ask for this.
382
00:23:10,857 --> 00:23:11,822
[Debra sighs]
383
00:23:11,824 --> 00:23:14,925
It's not just your job
though, is it, Dad?
384
00:23:16,596 --> 00:23:18,429
What do you mean?
385
00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:19,930
It's your life.
386
00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:22,566
You and your mother are my life.
387
00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:23,667
But we have to share you
388
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:27,571
with all of the criminals in
this little part of the world.
389
00:23:27,974 --> 00:23:30,508
They get more of
your time than we do.
390
00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:35,346
I'm sorry, Deb, I'll try to
make more time for us.
391
00:23:37,216 --> 00:23:38,449
Okay.
392
00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:40,618
Okay.
393
00:23:48,261 --> 00:23:51,462
[Debra sighs]
394
00:23:51,531 --> 00:23:52,563
[door closes]
395
00:23:52,565 --> 00:23:54,498
[Reporter on TV] He's been
called the Green River Killer
396
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:57,401
ever since the first
bodies, five of them,
397
00:23:57,403 --> 00:23:58,702
were pulled from this river.
398
00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:02,339
You know, this issue with the
press isn't gonna go away.
399
00:24:02,341 --> 00:24:04,375
I didn't have any
new information,
400
00:24:04,377 --> 00:24:07,311
there was no point
talking to them.
401
00:24:07,513 --> 00:24:09,580
But we did get
something new today.
402
00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:10,915
Nothing to leak
to the press yet,
403
00:24:10,917 --> 00:24:13,217
but it could change how
you deal with the media.
404
00:24:13,219 --> 00:24:16,520
The posing of the body
with the wine and the fish?
405
00:24:16,522 --> 00:24:17,321
Yeah.
406
00:24:17,323 --> 00:24:19,657
That wasn't part of
his modus operandi
407
00:24:19,659 --> 00:24:21,125
with previous victims.
408
00:24:21,127 --> 00:24:23,494
That was his way of
engaging with us,
409
00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:25,262
or, more to the point, you.
410
00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:28,466
It's like he's saying, "This
is my banquet, Detective."
411
00:24:28,468 --> 00:24:32,570
You really think he sat at
home watching the news reports?
412
00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:33,437
Of course.
413
00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:36,507
Narcissism is one of the
symptoms of psychopathy,
414
00:24:36,509 --> 00:24:37,975
that's the dichotomy.
415
00:24:37,977 --> 00:24:39,877
Damaged self-esteem
on the one hand,
416
00:24:39,879 --> 00:24:44,648
but also a grandiose sense of
self-importance on the other.
417
00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:46,350
In the killer's head,
418
00:24:46,486 --> 00:24:49,587
this murder spree may
be the ultimate game.
419
00:24:49,589 --> 00:24:51,155
Now you're his main opponent.
420
00:24:51,157 --> 00:24:54,592
Sun Tzu, the Chinese general
who wrote "The Art of War",
421
00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:58,863
he said, "If you're
far from your enemy,
422
00:24:59,065 --> 00:25:01,565
"make him believe you're near."
423
00:25:04,437 --> 00:25:06,437
Just something to keep in mind.
424
00:25:08,107 --> 00:25:11,275
[tense music]
425
00:25:12,778 --> 00:25:16,347
[camera shutters clicking]
426
00:25:16,349 --> 00:25:19,583
As you know, we've
discovered another body.
427
00:25:19,585 --> 00:25:22,753
I won't be taking
any questions today,
428
00:25:22,755 --> 00:25:25,022
I just came to say one thing.
429
00:25:25,124 --> 00:25:28,192
I wanna talk directly
to the killer.
430
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:35,799
I know you're out there,
431
00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:38,202
watching this,
432
00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:41,572
I don't need profilers
and psychiatrists
433
00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:45,676
to tell me you're a
sick son of a bitch.
434
00:25:45,678 --> 00:25:47,311
You're not even a man,
435
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:50,548
I doubt you have the
equipment for it.
436
00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:52,449
[David on TV]
You're a demented pervert
437
00:25:52,451 --> 00:25:54,418
who doesn't deserve to
breathe the same air
438
00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:58,222
as the people you have
so callously murdered.
439
00:25:59,058 --> 00:26:01,959
You are gutless, pathetic,
440
00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:03,060
and when your luck runs out,
441
00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:05,396
and make no mistake, it will,
442
00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:07,298
I'll be right there
to take you down,
443
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,700
you got that, you
piece of [bleep]?
444
00:26:09,702 --> 00:26:12,570
That's a promise from me to you.
445
00:26:14,941 --> 00:26:15,739
Thank you.
446
00:26:15,741 --> 00:26:17,441
[camera shutters clicking]
447
00:26:17,843 --> 00:26:19,677
[indistinct TV chatter]
448
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:20,544
Hey, slugger.
449
00:26:20,546 --> 00:26:21,712
How was school today?
450
00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:22,947
Good.
451
00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:24,281
He made you this.
452
00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:26,050
[Reporter on TV] ...Began in
the summer of 1982,
453
00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:27,651
and since then, an
army of detectives
454
00:26:27,653 --> 00:26:29,853
and a multimillion-dollar
computer system
455
00:26:29,855 --> 00:26:31,922
have been unable to
track the killer.
456
00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:32,823
Thank you.
457
00:26:32,825 --> 00:26:34,558
[Police Chief on TV]
It is a familiar routine,
458
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,393
for the Green River Task
Force sifting through
459
00:26:36,395 --> 00:26:37,995
any remaining
evidence on the site
460
00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:41,865
where someone had stumbled
across human remains.
461
00:26:52,011 --> 00:26:54,044
[door opens]
462
00:26:55,715 --> 00:26:57,781
[door closes]
463
00:27:00,686 --> 00:27:02,853
Your office forwarded this.
464
00:27:04,857 --> 00:27:06,924
You haven't been demoted
to mailman already,
465
00:27:06,926 --> 00:27:07,891
have you, Tom?
466
00:27:07,893 --> 00:27:09,593
[scoffs] If we don't
catch this prick soon,
467
00:27:09,595 --> 00:27:10,995
maybe I will be.
468
00:27:14,233 --> 00:27:17,534
[opens letter]
469
00:27:24,543 --> 00:27:26,510
[Bob] Oh my god.
470
00:27:27,413 --> 00:27:29,847
[tense music]
471
00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:31,215
[Bundy VO] Dearest Bob.
472
00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:33,984
It has been the better
part of two years
473
00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:35,552
since we've corresponded,
474
00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:38,622
and I must admit,
I've missed it.
475
00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:40,190
I've followed,
with great interest,
476
00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:43,727
the case of "The Riverman",
and see from the news reports
477
00:27:43,729 --> 00:27:47,364
that you are advising
the task force.
478
00:27:47,366 --> 00:27:49,400
I recently saw a press
conference
479
00:27:49,402 --> 00:27:51,135
with Detective Richards.
480
00:27:51,137 --> 00:27:54,271
Not the usual police
officer, is he?
481
00:27:54,273 --> 00:27:57,775
He seems to be taking
it quite personally.
482
00:27:58,077 --> 00:27:59,176
As you know,
483
00:27:59,178 --> 00:28:04,348
I have some experience in The
Riverman's field of expertise.
484
00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,884
I believe I can help you.
485
00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:08,585
If you have the
time to visit me,
486
00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:12,389
along with Detective
Richards, please do.
487
00:28:12,725 --> 00:28:15,325
Time for me is running out,
488
00:28:15,327 --> 00:28:18,996
I would like to make
use of what remains.
489
00:28:18,998 --> 00:28:24,601
Kind regards, your old
friend, Theodore Bundy.
490
00:28:26,906 --> 00:28:29,373
David, your thoughts?
491
00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:32,242
Well, the key question is,
492
00:28:32,244 --> 00:28:34,845
could he actually help
the investigation,
493
00:28:34,847 --> 00:28:38,549
or would he be leading
us on some circle jerk
494
00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:40,417
for his own amusement?
495
00:28:40,753 --> 00:28:43,387
He has an agenda,
he always does.
496
00:28:43,389 --> 00:28:46,156
What's his agenda
here? To buy time?
497
00:28:46,158 --> 00:28:47,257
Yeah, I'd say so.
498
00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:50,961
Like he says in his letter,
time is running out for him.
499
00:28:50,963 --> 00:28:52,563
He'll do everything he can
500
00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,264
to court favor with
the authorities
501
00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:56,800
and get a reprieve
from execution.
502
00:28:58,204 --> 00:29:02,673
What's it like coming face to
face with someone like that?
503
00:29:02,675 --> 00:29:05,843
Maybe you need to
find out for yourself.
504
00:29:05,845 --> 00:29:06,844
At some point,
505
00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:09,012
you're gonna be face to face
with the Green River Killer.
506
00:29:09,014 --> 00:29:10,948
After you meet Ted Bundy,
507
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:14,017
evil will no longer
be a mystery to you.
508
00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:23,894
What?
509
00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:27,131
Two days talking to
a madman in Florida?
510
00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:29,967
Don't you have enough
to deal with right now?
511
00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:32,336
It might be a complete
waste of time,
512
00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:36,673
or it could help with the
investigation, who knows,
513
00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:39,910
but we have no suspects yet,
514
00:29:39,912 --> 00:29:42,613
I have to try everything I can.
515
00:29:45,251 --> 00:29:48,051
I just worry about
you, that's all.
516
00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:50,320
It'll be fine.
517
00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:52,689
Come here.
518
00:30:06,071 --> 00:30:07,871
Where are you going?
519
00:30:08,007 --> 00:30:09,506
I've got a few errands to run.
520
00:30:09,508 --> 00:30:13,143
Well, you know you're
looking after Adam tonight.
521
00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:15,846
How come?
522
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:22,986
I've got a dinner with
Amy and the girls.
523
00:30:24,523 --> 00:30:25,489
[tense music]
524
00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:28,859
It's her birthday, I told
you about this weeks ago.
525
00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:34,364
What's the matter?
526
00:30:37,102 --> 00:30:39,236
What's the matter?
527
00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:44,341
I've got something
important to do.
528
00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,376
It's been playing
on my mind all week,
529
00:30:46,378 --> 00:30:49,446
I need to take
care of it tonight.
530
00:30:49,548 --> 00:30:53,283
Come on, Gary, I
had my plans first.
531
00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:54,351
If you have to leave the house,
532
00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:56,687
can't you take Adam with you?
533
00:31:03,229 --> 00:31:05,963
[Gary sighs]
534
00:31:08,434 --> 00:31:10,067
I guess so.
535
00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:12,369
Thank you.
536
00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:16,773
I'll be home around 11.
537
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:19,142
Alright.
538
00:31:23,616 --> 00:31:25,249
[door opens]
539
00:31:25,251 --> 00:31:27,784
[door closes]
540
00:31:57,182 --> 00:31:58,849
Dad, where are we going?
541
00:31:58,851 --> 00:32:03,453
I gotta pick up a friend of
mine, drop her off somewhere.
542
00:32:23,142 --> 00:32:25,709
[door unlocking]
543
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,556
Hello, Bob.
544
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:41,992
Ted.
545
00:32:42,561 --> 00:32:45,228
[tense music]
546
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:48,165
[door closes]
547
00:32:57,242 --> 00:32:58,842
Long time no see.
548
00:33:00,045 --> 00:33:01,678
It's been a while.
549
00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:06,717
And this must be the
famous Detective Richards.
550
00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:22,866
As always, Ted, we'll
be recording this.
551
00:33:23,569 --> 00:33:24,935
Of course.
552
00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:33,877
It's the 2nd of September,
approximately 9:30 p.m.,
553
00:33:33,879 --> 00:33:35,912
at Florida State Prison.
554
00:33:35,981 --> 00:33:38,749
This is a tape-recorded
interview with Bob Keller,
555
00:33:38,751 --> 00:33:41,451
David Richards, and Ted Bundy.
556
00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:45,789
So, Ted, would
you like to begin?
557
00:33:46,091 --> 00:33:47,758
Well, this is just
558
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,029
sort of a spontaneous
dialogue we're having here.
559
00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:55,999
I'm not approaching it
in any organized fashion.
560
00:33:56,168 --> 00:34:00,003
I don't even know if I can
be of any real assistance.
561
00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:01,972
You're the detectives after all.
562
00:34:01,974 --> 00:34:05,242
We'd value any
insights you may have.
563
00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:08,645
Well, did you bring a
copy of the case file?
564
00:34:08,647 --> 00:34:12,449
Um, I'm not sure it would
be ethical to give you--
565
00:34:12,451 --> 00:34:13,984
It's fine.
566
00:34:45,317 --> 00:34:48,952
The Riverman enjoys easy prey.
567
00:34:49,388 --> 00:34:50,554
The victims?
568
00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:51,354
Yes.
569
00:34:51,356 --> 00:34:54,224
Prostitutes are low risk.
570
00:34:54,226 --> 00:34:55,826
Not many people would miss them.
571
00:34:55,828 --> 00:34:59,496
Who would you consider
to be high-risk prey?
572
00:34:59,932 --> 00:35:02,265
Well, people who
work normal jobs,
573
00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:05,335
have families, social circles,
574
00:35:05,337 --> 00:35:07,537
people who are noticed.
575
00:35:09,041 --> 00:35:09,973
You know,
576
00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:11,942
with all the slasher movies
being made at the moment,
577
00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:15,612
you should stake out the car
parks of the movie theaters.
578
00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:19,382
I am sure you'd find many
serial killers of the future,
579
00:35:19,384 --> 00:35:23,487
people who go to those films
to fuel their fantasies.
580
00:35:23,722 --> 00:35:26,723
When I was a kid, I just
had the detective magazines.
581
00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:28,024
I don't think staking out
582
00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:30,594
thousands of movie
theaters is practical,
583
00:35:30,596 --> 00:35:32,195
given the limited
numbers of police
584
00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:34,364
we can assign to the case.
585
00:35:34,666 --> 00:35:35,565
Perhaps not.
586
00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:38,168
But you could stake
out his old dump sites.
587
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,837
You mean where he
left the bodies?
588
00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:42,005
Yes.
589
00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:43,306
He'll return to them.
590
00:35:43,308 --> 00:35:46,042
He's going back to
check out the scene
591
00:35:46,044 --> 00:35:48,078
and see the
condition of the body
592
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,446
after it's been
there for a while,
593
00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:54,784
for, uh, well, whatever kick
he might get out of that.
594
00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:56,153
Necrophilia?
595
00:35:56,321 --> 00:35:57,888
Look, what he's
doing is not normal,
596
00:35:57,890 --> 00:36:01,024
so you can't apply
normal standards to it.
597
00:36:01,026 --> 00:36:04,895
He might just drive by, see if
the scene is being disturbed,
598
00:36:04,897 --> 00:36:07,597
if the body has been discovered.
599
00:36:07,766 --> 00:36:09,166
Well, if it hasn't,
600
00:36:09,168 --> 00:36:12,335
well, he might wanna
take it all in again.
601
00:36:16,241 --> 00:36:20,544
Would he go back to a site
after we've discovered it?
602
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:21,478
Oh, no.
603
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,347
At that point, he wouldn't
touch it with a 10-mile pole.
604
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:28,018
Why do you think
guys like him kill?
605
00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:33,089
Well, there's a certain
aspect of possessiveness
606
00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:34,891
in serial killing.
607
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960
I think that's one
way of describing it,
608
00:36:36,962 --> 00:36:38,195
well, in rather bland terms,
609
00:36:38,197 --> 00:36:40,931
but a possessiveness
where the corpse
610
00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:44,834
might easily be as important
as the live victim,
611
00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:47,137
in some respects.
612
00:36:47,139 --> 00:36:49,639
What I mean is,
a possessiveness,
613
00:36:49,641 --> 00:36:53,176
an ownership, a
taking, if you will,
614
00:36:53,178 --> 00:36:55,745
and that's part of the syndrome.
615
00:36:55,747 --> 00:36:57,447
And I think that's one
of the reasons why,
616
00:36:57,449 --> 00:36:59,749
in some cases, not
all, certainly,
617
00:36:59,751 --> 00:37:03,486
but he might be intending
to return to the scene,
618
00:37:03,488 --> 00:37:06,723
interact with the
body in some way.
619
00:37:08,994 --> 00:37:11,027
According to the time of death,
620
00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:14,130
all these murders
happened on a weekday.
621
00:37:14,132 --> 00:37:15,198
What does that tell you?
622
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,968
Well, he obviously prefers
to troll on a weekday.
623
00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:21,071
He might have other
commitments of the weekend,
624
00:37:21,073 --> 00:37:23,406
people he's close to, perhaps.
625
00:37:23,408 --> 00:37:24,874
You think he has family?
626
00:37:24,876 --> 00:37:26,443
Oh, possibly.
627
00:37:28,113 --> 00:37:30,747
What'd you mean by "troll"?
628
00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:33,750
[Bundy] Well, it's what he does.
[tense music]
629
00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:35,285
Watching,
630
00:37:35,721 --> 00:37:36,786
waiting,
631
00:37:36,788 --> 00:37:38,655
selecting.
632
00:37:39,024 --> 00:37:41,358
He knows his hunting ground.
633
00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:42,792
Hey, Julie.
634
00:37:42,794 --> 00:37:44,394
Hey.
635
00:37:44,396 --> 00:37:45,328
This is my son.
636
00:37:45,330 --> 00:37:48,198
You remember, I showed you
a picture of him before.
637
00:37:49,001 --> 00:37:51,201
Oh, sure, yeah.
638
00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:54,337
So, what's the deal here?
639
00:37:54,339 --> 00:37:56,172
You want the kid to watch?
640
00:37:56,174 --> 00:37:57,907
'Cause I'm in to that.
641
00:37:58,076 --> 00:37:58,842
No.
642
00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:00,977
I didn't plan on
bringing him along,
643
00:38:00,979 --> 00:38:03,346
but his mother had to go out.
644
00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:05,815
I figured we'd go to the woods
645
00:38:05,817 --> 00:38:07,751
and he could wait in the car.
646
00:38:07,753 --> 00:38:09,152
I'll be quick.
647
00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:11,888
Sure, I remember.
648
00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:14,824
Get in.
649
00:38:14,893 --> 00:38:17,093
[Bundy] He targets his prey.
650
00:38:17,095 --> 00:38:20,263
He plans what he wants
to do in his mind,
651
00:38:20,265 --> 00:38:22,966
down to the smallest detail.
652
00:38:23,101 --> 00:38:24,234
By the time he closes in,
653
00:38:24,236 --> 00:38:27,537
it's almost like it's
already happened.
654
00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:41,851
[Ridgway] Okay,
655
00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:44,521
this is far enough.
656
00:38:46,258 --> 00:38:47,857
You got the money?
657
00:38:57,035 --> 00:39:00,337
So, how do you wanna do this?
658
00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:05,241
That tree over
there, bend over it.
659
00:39:16,188 --> 00:39:19,989
[Bundy VO] He's played it out in
his mind so many times.
660
00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:21,658
But when the time is right,
661
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,326
and he swoops on his chosen one,
662
00:39:23,328 --> 00:39:27,464
well, then it's like
the spider and the fly.
663
00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:30,734
Fantasy finally becomes reality.
664
00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:32,902
And speaking of fantasy,
665
00:39:32,904 --> 00:39:35,004
well, that's what normality is.
666
00:39:35,006 --> 00:39:37,273
What's normal for the spider,
667
00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:41,277
well, it can seem
like chaos to the fly.
668
00:39:42,013 --> 00:39:43,980
[Julie gasps]
669
00:39:43,982 --> 00:39:48,485
[Julie struggles to breathe]
670
00:39:51,757 --> 00:39:55,925
[Julie choking]
671
00:39:56,161 --> 00:40:00,630
[Julie struggles to breathe]
672
00:40:48,914 --> 00:40:51,214
Did she get home okay?
673
00:40:53,018 --> 00:40:54,417
Yeah.
674
00:40:54,486 --> 00:40:55,985
[car starts]
675
00:41:03,662 --> 00:41:06,029
Can you go there, Detective?
676
00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:09,032
Where?
677
00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:13,503
Inside his mind,
think like he thinks.
678
00:41:13,505 --> 00:41:15,538
I'm not sure I can.
679
00:41:16,274 --> 00:41:17,640
Oh, you can.
680
00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:22,912
We all have that coldblooded,
primal instinct within us.
681
00:41:23,048 --> 00:41:26,349
Whether you wanna
touch upon your own is...
682
00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,918
well, that's another story.
683
00:42:00,318 --> 00:42:04,387
[instrumental sting]
[thunder rumbles]
684
00:42:06,525 --> 00:42:08,024
[hacking]
685
00:42:10,295 --> 00:42:14,430
[instrumental sting]
[thunder rumbles]
686
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:17,166
[thudding and splattering]
687
00:42:32,417 --> 00:42:34,417
[turns off water]
688
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:50,400
[phone rings]
689
00:42:51,603 --> 00:42:53,169
[phone rings]
690
00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:56,506
[phone rings]
691
00:42:57,909 --> 00:42:59,042
[phone rings]
692
00:42:59,044 --> 00:42:59,909
Hello?
693
00:42:59,911 --> 00:43:01,945
[Tom on phone] Dave, it's Tom.
694
00:43:01,947 --> 00:43:02,979
What is it?
695
00:43:02,981 --> 00:43:04,681
We've found another body.
696
00:43:04,683 --> 00:43:05,582
[tense music]
697
00:43:05,584 --> 00:43:06,783
Shit.
698
00:43:06,985 --> 00:43:09,552
I thought we had our guys
staking out the Green River?
699
00:43:09,554 --> 00:43:10,920
[Tom] We didn't find it there,
700
00:43:10,922 --> 00:43:14,123
this one was found in a
woodland near Long Avenue.
701
00:43:14,125 --> 00:43:16,526
Definitely him though, same M.O.
702
00:43:16,528 --> 00:43:18,661
You tell the press yet?
703
00:43:18,663 --> 00:43:19,596
No.
704
00:43:19,598 --> 00:43:21,264
I've only just ordered the
forensics team down there.
705
00:43:21,266 --> 00:43:22,231
Call it off.
706
00:43:22,233 --> 00:43:24,534
-What do you mean?
-Tell the team to back off,
707
00:43:24,536 --> 00:43:27,170
leave the site just
as it was found.
708
00:43:27,172 --> 00:43:28,605
Don't tell the press,
709
00:43:28,607 --> 00:43:30,773
don't tell anyone
in the department
710
00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:31,908
who doesn't already know.
711
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:35,545
Leave the body exactly
where it was found, Tom.
712
00:43:35,814 --> 00:43:37,146
Why?
713
00:43:37,148 --> 00:43:38,781
Bundy said the
killer will return
714
00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:41,017
to where he dumped the bodies.
715
00:43:41,019 --> 00:43:42,185
If you leave this body there
716
00:43:42,187 --> 00:43:43,820
and he doesn't see
anything on the news,
717
00:43:43,822 --> 00:43:46,322
he might think it's not
been discovered yet.
718
00:43:46,324 --> 00:43:48,658
Then he'll go back.
719
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:51,094
That's when we'll be
staking out those woods.
720
00:43:51,096 --> 00:43:53,696
Okay, I'll go
myself with Kavanagh.
721
00:43:53,698 --> 00:43:55,465
No, no, I'll go with you,
722
00:43:55,467 --> 00:43:57,667
I'm heading to the
airport right now.
723
00:43:57,669 --> 00:44:00,670
I'll be back in a
few hours, yeah?
724
00:44:00,672 --> 00:44:01,804
Got it.
725
00:44:01,806 --> 00:44:03,006
Bye.
726
00:44:23,495 --> 00:44:25,395
Flying solo today, Bob?
727
00:44:25,397 --> 00:44:29,732
Detective Richards had to
travel back to the Green River.
728
00:44:29,734 --> 00:44:32,435
Have they found another body?
729
00:44:37,342 --> 00:44:42,111
Well, I hope the information
I gave yesterday was helpful.
730
00:44:42,113 --> 00:44:43,079
It was.
731
00:44:43,081 --> 00:44:45,415
And since you're
in a helpful mood,
732
00:44:45,417 --> 00:44:49,185
I thought today we could
discuss a different subject.
733
00:44:49,187 --> 00:44:50,953
What's that?
734
00:44:50,955 --> 00:44:52,588
You know, Ted,
735
00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:55,558
there are still five cases
we're concerned about,
736
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,629
missing girls,
Washington and Utah.
737
00:45:00,932 --> 00:45:02,298
Okay.
738
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:06,469
Well, maybe we can
talk about that.
739
00:45:06,938 --> 00:45:08,638
I guess it depends.
740
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,405
On what?
741
00:45:09,407 --> 00:45:12,375
Did you speak to the
attorney general?
742
00:45:12,811 --> 00:45:14,210
I spoke to him last night.
743
00:45:14,212 --> 00:45:17,914
I told him you'd been
receptive to our questioning.
744
00:45:17,916 --> 00:45:19,549
But truth be told, Ted,
745
00:45:19,551 --> 00:45:21,951
he knows there are a lot
of families out there
746
00:45:21,953 --> 00:45:23,886
that need closure.
747
00:45:23,955 --> 00:45:26,322
But before we get down to that,
748
00:45:26,324 --> 00:45:29,659
has the attorney general
discussed in firm terms
749
00:45:29,661 --> 00:45:35,164
what the outcome of these
conversations could be for me?
750
00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:38,334
He said any information
you can provide
751
00:45:38,336 --> 00:45:40,503
which can give the
families closure
752
00:45:40,505 --> 00:45:43,139
will be given the
greatest consideration
753
00:45:43,141 --> 00:45:44,340
when discussions take place
754
00:45:44,342 --> 00:45:47,744
about the implementation
of the death penalty.
755
00:45:48,313 --> 00:45:50,179
Okay.
756
00:45:50,181 --> 00:45:51,447
Good.
757
00:45:52,016 --> 00:45:54,650
Well, I'm sure you know, Bob,
758
00:45:54,652 --> 00:45:57,754
it all began in
Washington state.
759
00:45:58,156 --> 00:45:59,288
That's where I was living,
760
00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:02,492
where I grew up as a
kid and a young man,
761
00:46:02,494 --> 00:46:04,260
where those kinds of impulses
762
00:46:04,262 --> 00:46:09,398
which ultimately led to the
violent behavior were born.
763
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,600
Yeah.
764
00:46:12,036 --> 00:46:15,304
This is where I'm
a little, um...
765
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,307
The presence of the
officer down here,
766
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:21,344
well, it's a little unnerving.
767
00:46:21,346 --> 00:46:24,514
Some of this stuff I don't
mind talking about because,
768
00:46:24,516 --> 00:46:27,683
well, he wouldn't know
it from Adam, but,
769
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,219
well, I can write it down,
770
00:46:30,221 --> 00:46:33,823
or whisper it to you, whatever.
771
00:46:36,294 --> 00:46:37,560
Okay.
772
00:46:43,134 --> 00:46:45,968
[Bundy writes]
773
00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:57,380
Can you hear that?
774
00:46:59,184 --> 00:47:00,783
Yeah, I can hear it.
775
00:47:00,919 --> 00:47:06,022
I just wrote down the
name Joanne Dawkins.
776
00:47:07,225 --> 00:47:08,424
So...
777
00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:13,262
the Dawkins girl's
head was severed
778
00:47:13,264 --> 00:47:14,197
[tense music]
779
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:19,035
and taken up the road
about 25-50 yards
780
00:47:19,037 --> 00:47:21,804
and then buried in a location
781
00:47:21,806 --> 00:47:24,740
about 10 yards west of the road
782
00:47:24,742 --> 00:47:29,011
on a rocky hillside
in Washington.
783
00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:34,350
Did you hear that?
784
00:47:35,019 --> 00:47:36,285
Yeah.
785
00:47:39,023 --> 00:47:42,992
Lord knows what the little
creatures up there did to it,
786
00:47:42,994 --> 00:47:45,895
what those animals
would have done.
787
00:47:45,964 --> 00:47:48,531
Well, I can draw you a map
to where you can find it,
788
00:47:48,533 --> 00:47:49,398
if you like.
789
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,001
Thank you, that
would be helpful.
790
00:47:52,003 --> 00:47:55,872
But first, how did
you encounter her?
791
00:47:56,007 --> 00:47:59,408
Oh, I was making my
way up an alleyway,
792
00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:03,246
with my briefcase,
using crutches,
793
00:48:03,548 --> 00:48:06,749
and a young woman
was walking down.
794
00:48:07,085 --> 00:48:10,253
I saw her walk around the
north end of the block
795
00:48:10,255 --> 00:48:12,421
and into the alleyway.
796
00:48:12,891 --> 00:48:13,923
She stopped for a moment
797
00:48:13,925 --> 00:48:17,493
and then kept on
walking down toward me.
798
00:48:17,929 --> 00:48:18,961
About halfway,
799
00:48:18,963 --> 00:48:20,763
I encountered her
800
00:48:20,832 --> 00:48:23,933
and asked if she'd help
carry my briefcase,
801
00:48:23,935 --> 00:48:25,401
which she did,
802
00:48:25,403 --> 00:48:29,071
and we went back
up the alleyway.
803
00:48:29,307 --> 00:48:31,540
Across the street,
we turned right,
804
00:48:31,542 --> 00:48:36,579
on the sidewalk outside the
old fraternity house there.
805
00:48:36,581 --> 00:48:38,481
We rounded the
corner on the left
806
00:48:38,483 --> 00:48:41,050
and headed north on 47.
807
00:48:41,052 --> 00:48:42,418
About halfway up the block,
808
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:44,420
there used to be
this old parking lot,
809
00:48:44,422 --> 00:48:49,125
which they'd made out of the
burned-out buildings there.
810
00:48:49,627 --> 00:48:52,094
So what happened when
you rounded the corner?
811
00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:54,463
Oh, we went into
the parking lot.
812
00:48:54,465 --> 00:48:55,598
When we reached my car,
813
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,801
I knocked her unconscious
with a crowbar.
814
00:48:58,803 --> 00:49:00,336
Where'd you have that stashed?
815
00:49:00,338 --> 00:49:03,806
Hidden behind the
rear wheel of the car.
816
00:49:04,342 --> 00:49:05,474
Did she see it?
817
00:49:05,476 --> 00:49:06,442
No.
818
00:49:06,444 --> 00:49:10,513
There were some handcuffs
along with the crowbar.
819
00:49:10,515 --> 00:49:15,051
I handcuffed her, put her in
the passenger side of the car,
820
00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:17,153
and drove away.
821
00:49:36,307 --> 00:49:39,508
[tense music]
822
00:49:40,378 --> 00:49:41,844
Dave.
823
00:49:43,281 --> 00:49:44,981
Over there.
824
00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:52,989
Wait.
825
00:49:57,395 --> 00:49:58,561
Wait.
826
00:50:04,535 --> 00:50:05,835
Let's go.
827
00:50:07,405 --> 00:50:08,904
Don't fucking move!
828
00:50:08,906 --> 00:50:12,041
[intense music]
829
00:50:54,318 --> 00:50:55,551
[log thuds]
[David groans]
830
00:50:55,553 --> 00:50:57,420
[gun clatters]
[tense music]
831
00:51:06,697 --> 00:51:09,965
[David groans]
832
00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:26,782
Put the fucking gun down now!
833
00:51:26,784 --> 00:51:29,418
Now put your hands on
your head and back away!
834
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:30,352
[gun clatters to ground]
835
00:51:30,354 --> 00:51:35,991
Freeze!
[gun fire]
836
00:51:35,993 --> 00:51:39,562
[Bundy] Society wants to
believe it can identify
837
00:51:39,564 --> 00:51:43,432
bad or harmful individuals,
838
00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:45,968
but it's not practical.
839
00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:49,472
The truth is, people who
indulge in this sort of thing,
840
00:51:49,474 --> 00:51:53,976
well, they look just
like everyone else.
841
00:51:53,978 --> 00:51:57,446
Their subconscious might
be a raging inferno,
842
00:51:57,448 --> 00:52:02,118
but you'd never tell,
they blend in so well.
843
00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:06,188
This is what it
comes down to, Bob,
844
00:52:06,357 --> 00:52:09,191
we serial killers,
845
00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:11,894
we're your sons,
846
00:52:11,896 --> 00:52:14,063
your husbands,
847
00:52:14,565 --> 00:52:16,465
we're everywhere,
848
00:52:17,335 --> 00:52:23,572
and there will be more of
your children dead tomorrow.
849
00:52:25,843 --> 00:52:27,176
[soft music]
850
00:52:27,178 --> 00:52:29,545
[Narrator on TV] All of
us on this earth
851
00:52:29,547 --> 00:52:32,381
know that there
is a time to live
852
00:52:32,383 --> 00:52:34,650
and that there is a time to die,
853
00:52:34,652 --> 00:52:39,288
yet death is always a
shock to those left behind.
854
00:52:39,290 --> 00:52:42,691
[TV Narrator continues
indistinct]
855
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,161
Jesus, Dad, you scared me.
856
00:52:45,163 --> 00:52:48,063
I didn't realize
anyone else was up.
857
00:52:48,065 --> 00:52:49,398
Sorry.
858
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,333
Struggling to sleep?
859
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:52,868
Yeah.
860
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:54,703
I have a big test
at school tomorrow,
861
00:52:54,705 --> 00:52:57,773
and no matter how
hard I hit the books,
862
00:52:57,775 --> 00:52:59,909
I just, I don't feel prepared.
863
00:52:59,911 --> 00:53:03,012
You'll do great, you always do.
864
00:53:05,449 --> 00:53:09,852
[instrumental sting]
865
00:53:14,625 --> 00:53:16,792
Hey, take a seat,
866
00:53:17,562 --> 00:53:19,128
watch some TV.
867
00:53:24,035 --> 00:53:24,900
[Debra sighs]
868
00:53:24,902 --> 00:53:26,135
[Narrator] The funeral over,
869
00:53:26,137 --> 00:53:29,405
the saddened group
left the graveside.
870
00:53:39,717 --> 00:53:43,953
Deb, you know I
love you, don't you?
871
00:53:44,021 --> 00:53:47,923
[scoffs] Sure, Dad, I
know, I love you too.
872
00:53:47,925 --> 00:53:51,060
I'm very proud of you,
you know that, right?
873
00:53:51,062 --> 00:53:53,829
You got some
whiskey in that cup?
874
00:53:54,098 --> 00:53:56,265
No, it's just tea.
875
00:53:56,701 --> 00:53:59,768
Then what's with all
the declarations?
876
00:54:02,106 --> 00:54:04,740
I just want you to know
how much you mean to me,
877
00:54:04,742 --> 00:54:06,075
that's all.
878
00:54:07,945 --> 00:54:09,578
You're sweet, Dad.
879
00:54:10,681 --> 00:54:13,249
But I better get back to bed,
880
00:54:13,317 --> 00:54:15,150
see if I can get some sleep.
881
00:54:15,152 --> 00:54:16,919
Okay, sweetheart.
882
00:54:16,921 --> 00:54:17,686
Goodnight.
883
00:54:17,688 --> 00:54:20,189
[Debra] Goodnight.
884
00:54:32,236 --> 00:54:33,102
[tense music]
885
00:54:33,104 --> 00:54:35,271
Where were you on June 17th?
886
00:54:36,974 --> 00:54:39,775
I had to take my
truck to the shop.
887
00:54:40,645 --> 00:54:44,113
Have you ever cruised
the SeaTac strip?
888
00:54:44,115 --> 00:54:47,149
I'm, I'm not familiar
with that place.
889
00:54:47,551 --> 00:54:49,918
[David VO] His name is Gary
Ridgway.
890
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,720
He was picked up for
attempting to solicit
891
00:54:51,722 --> 00:54:56,892
an undercover police officer
posing as a prostitute in May.
892
00:54:56,894 --> 00:54:59,361
Tom got a hunch
and ran his record.
893
00:54:59,363 --> 00:55:02,931
He was accused of choking
a prostitute in 1980,
894
00:55:02,933 --> 00:55:04,466
near the SeaTac strip.
895
00:55:04,468 --> 00:55:06,635
At the time, he
pleaded self-defense,
896
00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:10,839
after claiming the woman bit
him, and he got released.
897
00:55:10,841 --> 00:55:14,009
One of our officers stopped and
questioned Ridgway last year
898
00:55:14,011 --> 00:55:17,546
while he was in his
truck with a prostitute.
899
00:55:18,015 --> 00:55:19,281
They also approached this guy
900
00:55:19,283 --> 00:55:23,352
in connection with the
kidnapping of Marie Olsen.
901
00:55:23,554 --> 00:55:24,553
Ridgway was questioned,
902
00:55:24,555 --> 00:55:27,056
but not enough evidence
to make an arrest.
903
00:55:27,058 --> 00:55:30,259
Has anyone questioned the
sex workers on the strip?
904
00:55:30,261 --> 00:55:32,161
Several prostitutes saw a man
905
00:55:32,163 --> 00:55:33,429
matching Ridgway's description
906
00:55:33,431 --> 00:55:36,799
regularly cruising the
strip in the past two years.
907
00:55:36,801 --> 00:55:41,337
Now he works at that
factory down in Bellevue,
908
00:55:41,339 --> 00:55:42,404
painting trucks,
909
00:55:42,406 --> 00:55:44,573
so he would pass that
strip almost daily
910
00:55:44,575 --> 00:55:46,575
on his way to and from work.
911
00:55:46,577 --> 00:55:48,243
[Tom] Sarah Edgar.
912
00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:51,280
I've never heard of her.
913
00:55:51,649 --> 00:55:53,115
So what's your next move?
914
00:55:53,117 --> 00:55:56,018
I think we should get him
to take a polygraph test.
915
00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:59,855
You know those things can't
be considered 100% accurate.
916
00:55:59,857 --> 00:56:00,789
Yeah, I know,
917
00:56:00,791 --> 00:56:03,292
but I need something
more than circumstantial
918
00:56:03,294 --> 00:56:04,660
if I'm gonna convince the chief
919
00:56:04,662 --> 00:56:07,162
there's a case to be made here.
920
00:56:07,231 --> 00:56:09,698
Do you think he's the killer?
921
00:56:10,401 --> 00:56:13,869
Something in my
gut tells me he is.
922
00:56:14,772 --> 00:56:17,239
Then do what you have to do.
923
00:56:24,548 --> 00:56:27,483
[Tom] Is your name
Gary Leon Ridgway?
924
00:56:27,918 --> 00:56:29,251
[Gary] Yes.
925
00:56:31,222 --> 00:56:34,790
[Tom] Have you ever
cruised the SeaTac strip?
926
00:56:34,792 --> 00:56:36,058
[Gary] No.
927
00:56:36,127 --> 00:56:39,428
[Tom] Have you ever
hired a prostitute?
928
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:40,896
[Gary] No.
929
00:56:46,103 --> 00:56:49,071
[Tom] Did you know Julie Kakova?
930
00:56:49,273 --> 00:56:50,406
No.
931
00:56:54,745 --> 00:56:56,912
[Tom] Did you kill her?
932
00:56:57,348 --> 00:56:58,514
No.
933
00:57:02,653 --> 00:57:04,253
[folder slams on desk]
934
00:57:05,923 --> 00:57:06,855
He passed.
935
00:57:06,857 --> 00:57:08,924
He fucking passed.
936
00:57:09,794 --> 00:57:10,859
Ridgway?
937
00:57:10,861 --> 00:57:11,994
Yeah.
938
00:57:13,197 --> 00:57:15,063
You know we got nothing
on this guy now.
939
00:57:15,065 --> 00:57:18,634
We executed a search warrant
on his home, turned up nothing.
940
00:57:18,636 --> 00:57:20,936
The forensics team
test this guy?
941
00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,237
They took everything from him,
942
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,573
saliva, piss, the whole shebang.
943
00:57:24,575 --> 00:57:25,674
There's nothing conclusive
944
00:57:25,676 --> 00:57:27,409
to link him to any
of the crime scenes.
945
00:57:27,411 --> 00:57:28,644
Shit.
946
00:57:30,514 --> 00:57:32,314
We gotta let him go.
947
00:57:35,019 --> 00:57:37,386
[slams folder on desk]
948
00:57:37,388 --> 00:57:40,322
[tense music]
949
00:58:37,314 --> 00:58:40,315
[Police Chief] 46
bodies found since 1982.
950
00:58:40,317 --> 00:58:41,650
There have been
several suspects,
951
00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:44,653
but a case can't be
made against any of 'em.
952
00:58:44,655 --> 00:58:48,557
$15 million of
public funds spent.
953
00:58:48,626 --> 00:58:52,761
As of today, the Green River
Task Force will be dismantled.
954
00:58:52,763 --> 00:58:56,298
We simply can't continue
spending this kinda money
955
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:57,699
and allocating
this much manpower
956
00:58:57,701 --> 00:59:01,470
to an investigation which
has yielded no results.
957
00:59:01,572 --> 00:59:06,141
I know you were expecting
this, and I hope you accept it.
958
00:59:06,677 --> 00:59:08,043
It's over, Dave.
959
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,480
Respectfully, sir,
960
00:59:12,883 --> 00:59:14,950
it'll never be over.
961
00:59:17,855 --> 00:59:20,055
[Reporter VO] A sad
and ugly chapter
962
00:59:20,057 --> 00:59:21,390
will end tomorrow morning
963
00:59:21,392 --> 00:59:24,192
as notorious serial
killer Ted Bundy
964
00:59:24,194 --> 00:59:27,529
is set to die in
Florida's electric chair.
965
00:59:27,531 --> 00:59:29,264
Officially, Bundy's
execution will be for
966
00:59:29,266 --> 00:59:33,302
the kidnap and murder of
12-year-old Caroline Keach,
967
00:59:33,304 --> 00:59:38,106
but he was also found guilty
of two additional 1978 slayings
968
00:59:38,108 --> 00:59:42,678
and is suspected in
20-40 other homicides,
969
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:43,812
at least 23 of which
970
00:59:43,814 --> 00:59:45,514
he has confessed to law
enforcement officials
971
00:59:45,516 --> 00:59:48,350
in the past few years.
Faced with execution
972
00:59:48,352 --> 00:59:51,086
after nearly a decade
of court appeals,
973
00:59:51,088 --> 00:59:54,823
Bundy has attempted to
trade confessions for time
974
00:59:54,825 --> 00:59:55,891
to give lawmen details
975
00:59:55,893 --> 00:59:57,426
of all of the murders.
[cell door opens]
976
00:59:57,428 --> 01:00:00,562
The Florida governor refused
to make such a trade.
977
01:00:00,564 --> 01:00:05,100
Bundy is scheduled to
be executed at 7:00 a.m.
978
01:00:11,442 --> 01:00:13,208
Bob.
979
01:00:13,877 --> 01:00:15,043
Ted.
980
01:00:16,313 --> 01:00:18,981
You know, I could still
provide information.
981
01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:22,784
I've remembered things that
might help the families.
982
01:00:22,786 --> 01:00:24,653
I know you're hoping
for a phone call,
983
01:00:24,655 --> 01:00:27,990
but I don't think it'll come.
984
01:00:28,892 --> 01:00:32,561
Many feel justice is
being served tomorrow.
985
01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:35,230
What about you, Bob?
986
01:00:35,232 --> 01:00:38,634
Do you think justice
is being served?
987
01:00:39,703 --> 01:00:42,471
I'm not here to
pass judgment, Ted.
988
01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:45,474
Well, then why are you here?
989
01:00:45,542 --> 01:00:48,710
I'm interested in your
thoughts on something.
990
01:00:49,947 --> 01:00:51,480
What's that?
991
01:00:53,517 --> 01:00:55,651
Why'd you go down this road?
992
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,186
Well, everyone asks that.
993
01:00:58,188 --> 01:01:02,424
Yeah, but you never really
answered it before, have you?
994
01:01:03,594 --> 01:01:05,193
What's the point?
995
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:09,531
Help people understand perhaps.
996
01:01:09,667 --> 01:01:12,768
Maybe I can give you
a little insight too.
997
01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:13,769
Maybe the truth is
998
01:01:13,771 --> 01:01:17,673
I don't have an answer
to your question.
999
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:20,308
Whenever I'm interviewed,
1000
01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:24,413
people always ask, do I feel
guilt for what I've done?
1001
01:01:25,449 --> 01:01:26,581
Guilt...
1002
01:01:28,152 --> 01:01:29,751
it's an illusion,
1003
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,321
a mechanism of social control.
1004
01:01:33,323 --> 01:01:37,726
It's very unhealthy, does
terrible things to the body.
1005
01:01:38,896 --> 01:01:41,229
What about when you
were young, Ted?
1006
01:01:41,231 --> 01:01:44,066
What was your emotional
state of mind?
1007
01:01:44,702 --> 01:01:45,967
Confusion.
1008
01:01:46,437 --> 01:01:51,073
I could never understand what
made people want to be friends,
1009
01:01:51,075 --> 01:01:54,543
or what made people
attracted to one another,
1010
01:01:54,545 --> 01:01:59,948
or what underlays
social interactions.
1011
01:02:00,617 --> 01:02:02,584
I'd watch people
1012
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,754
and see them feel,
1013
01:02:07,491 --> 01:02:11,426
but, I don't know, I
could never be like them.
1014
01:02:11,428 --> 01:02:16,231
Do you remember the first
time you felt the urges?
1015
01:02:16,967 --> 01:02:18,967
I certainly fantasized.
1016
01:02:18,969 --> 01:02:22,904
Well, as a young
boy of 12 or 13,
1017
01:02:22,906 --> 01:02:26,141
I'd encountered
soft-core pornography,
1018
01:02:26,143 --> 01:02:31,413
outside the home, local
drug or grocery stores.
1019
01:02:31,749 --> 01:02:32,748
Young boys,
1020
01:02:32,750 --> 01:02:37,686
they explore the sideways and
byways of their neighborhood.
1021
01:02:37,788 --> 01:02:41,823
And in our neighborhood, people
would dump their garbage,
1022
01:02:41,825 --> 01:02:43,325
and from time to time,
1023
01:02:43,327 --> 01:02:45,427
we'd come across books
1024
01:02:45,429 --> 01:02:49,531
of a more graphic nature,
1025
01:02:49,533 --> 01:02:52,968
detective magazines and so on.
1026
01:02:53,303 --> 01:02:54,936
Well, I wanna emphasize this,
1027
01:02:54,938 --> 01:02:58,340
the most damaging
kind of pornography,
1028
01:02:58,342 --> 01:03:01,243
I'm talking from real
personal experience here,
1029
01:03:01,245 --> 01:03:07,649
is the kind which involves
violence and sexual violence.
1030
01:03:07,885 --> 01:03:10,118
The wedding of those two forces,
1031
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,355
as I know only too well,
1032
01:03:13,357 --> 01:03:14,556
well, it brings about behavior
1033
01:03:14,558 --> 01:03:17,826
that is too terrible
to describe.
1034
01:03:18,095 --> 01:03:20,829
When did fantasy
become a reality?
1035
01:03:22,166 --> 01:03:23,031
As a teen,
1036
01:03:23,033 --> 01:03:25,967
I was dealing with
very strong inhibitions
1037
01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:29,237
against violent and
criminal behavior
1038
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:31,206
that had been conditioned
1039
01:03:31,208 --> 01:03:34,209
and bred into me
by my environment,
1040
01:03:34,211 --> 01:03:38,814
the neighborhood,
schools, church.
1041
01:03:39,283 --> 01:03:43,518
It's a very difficult
thing to describe,
1042
01:03:43,687 --> 01:03:46,521
the sensation of
reaching a point
1043
01:03:46,523 --> 01:03:52,327
where I knew I couldn't
control it anymore.
1044
01:03:52,529 --> 01:03:56,565
The barriers I had
learned as a child
1045
01:03:56,567 --> 01:03:58,433
were not enough to hold me back
1046
01:03:58,435 --> 01:04:02,871
from seeking out and
harming somebody.
1047
01:04:04,007 --> 01:04:08,577
How did you feel the first
time you committed a murder?
1048
01:04:08,812 --> 01:04:14,282
Even all these years later,
it's difficult to talk about.
1049
01:04:14,284 --> 01:04:16,384
Reliving it through talking is,
1050
01:04:16,386 --> 01:04:17,786
well, difficult,
to say the least,
1051
01:04:17,788 --> 01:04:21,790
but I want you to
understand what happened.
1052
01:04:23,026 --> 01:04:27,028
It was like coming out of some
1053
01:04:27,965 --> 01:04:32,100
horrible trance or dream.
1054
01:04:32,469 --> 01:04:35,103
I can only liken it
to being possessed
1055
01:04:35,105 --> 01:04:39,107
by something so awful and alien,
1056
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:40,242
and then the next morning,
1057
01:04:40,244 --> 01:04:41,810
waking up and remembering
what happened,
1058
01:04:41,812 --> 01:04:45,580
and realizing that, well,
in the eyes of the law,
1059
01:04:45,582 --> 01:04:48,216
and certainly in
the eyes of God,
1060
01:04:48,218 --> 01:04:50,485
you're responsible.
1061
01:04:51,088 --> 01:04:55,156
Possession is an
interesting word.
1062
01:04:55,158 --> 01:04:59,327
What I did, it was like
possessing them, physically,
1063
01:04:59,329 --> 01:05:03,798
as one might possess
a potted plant,
1064
01:05:04,501 --> 01:05:06,268
or a painting,
1065
01:05:06,570 --> 01:05:08,470
or a horse,
1066
01:05:08,472 --> 01:05:12,774
owning, as it were, this person,
1067
01:05:12,976 --> 01:05:18,413
and then taking
ownership of the remains.
1068
01:05:19,116 --> 01:05:21,950
But when I'd wake
up in the morning
1069
01:05:22,686 --> 01:05:25,787
and realize what I'd
done with a clear mind,
1070
01:05:25,789 --> 01:05:31,960
with all my essential ethical
and moral feelings intact,
1071
01:05:32,763 --> 01:05:35,997
well, it absolutely
horrified me.
1072
01:05:37,467 --> 01:05:40,669
The feelings of pleasure
derived from what you did
1073
01:05:40,671 --> 01:05:43,872
clearly outweighed any
feelings of being horrified,
1074
01:05:43,874 --> 01:05:46,474
because you repeated it so much.
1075
01:05:48,011 --> 01:05:48,877
Maybe so.
1076
01:05:48,879 --> 01:05:51,746
Also, when you compare
people to possessions,
1077
01:05:51,748 --> 01:05:56,284
well, I think it's hard to
believe that you felt anything,
1078
01:05:56,286 --> 01:05:57,686
certainly if in your mind,
1079
01:05:57,688 --> 01:06:00,956
people are no different
to material things.
1080
01:06:03,961 --> 01:06:05,927
What's your point, Bob?
1081
01:06:06,196 --> 01:06:08,229
I've spoken to your family,
1082
01:06:08,231 --> 01:06:09,364
quite in depth, actually,
1083
01:06:09,366 --> 01:06:11,666
and they were very candid.
1084
01:06:11,735 --> 01:06:12,968
I don't know if you know this,
1085
01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:15,570
but your aunt has a very
interesting memory of you
1086
01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:17,939
from when you were
three years old.
1087
01:06:17,941 --> 01:06:19,207
[scoffs] And what's that?
1088
01:06:19,209 --> 01:06:22,444
She recalled waking
up from a nap one day
1089
01:06:22,446 --> 01:06:23,678
at your grandparents' house
1090
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,749
to find herself surrounded
by knives from the kitchen.
1091
01:06:27,751 --> 01:06:32,954
You were stood by your
aunt's bed, smiling.
1092
01:06:32,956 --> 01:06:35,357
[chuckles] Well, I can't
say I remember that, Bob,
1093
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:38,293
so I'll have to take
her word for it.
1094
01:06:38,295 --> 01:06:41,529
If it's true, it's very
telling, don't you think?
1095
01:06:41,531 --> 01:06:42,530
How so?
1096
01:06:42,532 --> 01:06:44,899
Well, in my line of work,
1097
01:06:44,901 --> 01:06:45,800
I'm always asked
1098
01:06:45,802 --> 01:06:49,037
"is serial killing down
to nature or nurture?"
1099
01:06:49,272 --> 01:06:50,438
That incident with your aunt
1100
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,607
would suggest it's
down to nature,
1101
01:06:52,609 --> 01:06:55,810
that you were born with
a darkness inside of you.
1102
01:06:55,812 --> 01:06:57,545
But the thing is this,
1103
01:06:57,547 --> 01:06:59,514
there are many people out there
1104
01:06:59,516 --> 01:07:02,217
who are born with
darkness inside of them,
1105
01:07:02,219 --> 01:07:04,719
there are many people
who suffer violence
1106
01:07:04,721 --> 01:07:07,655
or have terrible things
happen to them as kids,
1107
01:07:07,657 --> 01:07:11,159
but they don't all grow
up to be serial killers.
1108
01:07:11,228 --> 01:07:15,030
Is this going somewhere, Bob?
1109
01:07:15,799 --> 01:07:19,267
It's like the parable
of the two wolves.
1110
01:07:19,269 --> 01:07:21,236
And what's that?
1111
01:07:21,238 --> 01:07:23,138
A father is talking to his son,
1112
01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:27,242
and he says there are
two wolves inside of us,
1113
01:07:27,244 --> 01:07:28,810
always at battle.
1114
01:07:28,812 --> 01:07:32,280
The good wolf represents
things like kindness,
1115
01:07:32,282 --> 01:07:33,415
bravery, and love.
1116
01:07:33,417 --> 01:07:38,553
The bad wolf represents things
like greed, hatred, and fear.
1117
01:07:38,555 --> 01:07:41,823
The son stops and thinks
about it for a second,
1118
01:07:41,825 --> 01:07:44,959
and then looks at
his father and says,
1119
01:07:44,961 --> 01:07:46,728
"Which one wins?"
1120
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:52,834
And the father quietly
replies, "The one we feed."
1121
01:07:56,006 --> 01:08:00,241
And I guess you think I
fed the bad wolf, right?
1122
01:08:00,477 --> 01:08:01,476
Yeah.
1123
01:08:01,478 --> 01:08:02,577
Is it nature or nurture?
1124
01:08:02,579 --> 01:08:05,814
A little of both for sure,
but the bottom line is this,
1125
01:08:05,816 --> 01:08:10,151
we all have a choice about
the person we become.
1126
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,354
We create our own reality.
1127
01:08:13,356 --> 01:08:16,291
[tense music]
1128
01:08:17,694 --> 01:08:21,362
[Reporter VO] Ted Bundy, the
notorious serial killer,
1129
01:08:21,364 --> 01:08:23,398
died today in the electric chair
1130
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,534
after a night of
weeping and praying.
1131
01:08:32,442 --> 01:08:35,610
[tense music]
1132
01:08:51,261 --> 01:08:53,361
Let me do that.
1133
01:08:54,831 --> 01:08:55,997
So,
1134
01:08:56,166 --> 01:09:00,001
your first press conference
as the new chief.
1135
01:09:00,937 --> 01:09:01,836
You nervous?
1136
01:09:01,838 --> 01:09:04,405
Almost 20 years of
dealing with the press,
1137
01:09:04,407 --> 01:09:06,174
you get used to it.
1138
01:09:06,443 --> 01:09:07,475
I'm proud of you.
1139
01:09:07,477 --> 01:09:10,145
You deserve this, and
you've worked hard for it.
1140
01:09:10,147 --> 01:09:11,779
I couldn't have
done it without you.
1141
01:09:11,781 --> 01:09:15,550
Mm, behind every great
man is a great woman.
1142
01:09:15,552 --> 01:09:17,485
I know it's a cliche,
[Sandra laughs]
1143
01:09:17,487 --> 01:09:19,154
but it's true.
1144
01:09:20,524 --> 01:09:21,956
We're a team.
1145
01:09:21,958 --> 01:09:25,326
This isn't just my
achievement, it's ours.
1146
01:09:26,062 --> 01:09:28,196
Can I confess something?
1147
01:09:28,798 --> 01:09:29,998
Yeah.
1148
01:09:31,535 --> 01:09:33,001
I'm relieved.
1149
01:09:33,003 --> 01:09:33,768
You are?
1150
01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:36,638
Mm-hmm, a desk job gets
you off the streets,
1151
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,541
which means I'm gonna
sleep better at night
1152
01:09:39,543 --> 01:09:42,043
knowing you'll be safe.
1153
01:09:47,217 --> 01:09:48,650
What's wrong?
1154
01:09:48,652 --> 01:09:50,084
Nothing.
1155
01:09:51,121 --> 01:09:51,986
There you go.
1156
01:09:51,988 --> 01:09:53,388
Thanks, honey.
1157
01:10:05,068 --> 01:10:07,035
[door closes]
1158
01:10:10,373 --> 01:10:13,775
[camera shutters clicking]
1159
01:10:13,777 --> 01:10:17,478
[Reporter] You've faced much
criticism over the years
1160
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:22,283
for your failure to apprehend
the Green River Killer,
1161
01:10:22,285 --> 01:10:26,921
how do you think the
victims' families might feel
1162
01:10:26,923 --> 01:10:31,159
watching your career go
from strength to strength
1163
01:10:31,161 --> 01:10:34,329
while the person who
murdered their daughters
1164
01:10:34,331 --> 01:10:36,164
is still at large?
1165
01:10:36,766 --> 01:10:37,999
Yes,
1166
01:10:38,001 --> 01:10:42,770
I've spent almost two
decades haunted by this.
1167
01:10:42,906 --> 01:10:46,074
My career has progressed, yes,
1168
01:10:46,243 --> 01:10:49,010
but it hasn't stopped
the nightmares.
1169
01:10:49,012 --> 01:10:55,416
My arrest and conviction rate
is the highest on the force,
1170
01:10:55,752 --> 01:10:57,285
but there is not a day goes by
1171
01:10:57,287 --> 01:11:01,789
when I don't think about
the one that got away
1172
01:11:02,459 --> 01:11:04,993
and all the pain he caused.
1173
01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,831
Which is why today,
1174
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:11,933
I am announcing
1175
01:11:11,935 --> 01:11:15,069
that I will be reforming
the Green River Task Force.
1176
01:11:15,071 --> 01:11:16,404
[tense music]
[indistinct chatter]
1177
01:11:16,406 --> 01:11:17,505
[camera shutters clicking]
1178
01:11:17,507 --> 01:11:20,174
Considerable resources
will be diverted
1179
01:11:20,176 --> 01:11:21,643
to resuming the investigation,
1180
01:11:21,645 --> 01:11:24,912
and I will be personally
overseeing it.
1181
01:11:24,914 --> 01:11:28,983
I want the victims'
families to know one thing,
1182
01:11:29,052 --> 01:11:33,521
I will not rest until the
killer is behind bars.
1183
01:11:33,523 --> 01:11:37,058
[light applause]
1184
01:11:47,604 --> 01:11:49,537
You saw the conference on TV?
1185
01:11:49,539 --> 01:11:50,672
I did.
1186
01:11:50,774 --> 01:11:53,574
I know you wanted
me to play it safe
1187
01:11:53,576 --> 01:11:54,976
and stay behind a desk,
1188
01:11:54,978 --> 01:11:59,180
but I just can't
let this one go.
1189
01:11:59,683 --> 01:12:05,620
You gave years to this,
I saw what it did to you,
1190
01:12:05,622 --> 01:12:06,554
I'm worried.
1191
01:12:06,556 --> 01:12:08,156
I just gotta get back out there
1192
01:12:08,158 --> 01:12:09,857
and nail that son of a bitch.
1193
01:12:09,859 --> 01:12:11,059
And you think if you find him,
1194
01:12:11,061 --> 01:12:13,828
you're gonna not
be haunted anymore?
1195
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:17,932
I don't know, but this
isn't just about me.
1196
01:12:17,934 --> 01:12:21,169
You gave your life
to public service,
1197
01:12:21,171 --> 01:12:24,205
you don't owe anyone anything.
1198
01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:31,879
If we'd have lost Deb, you'd
want justice, wouldn't you?
1199
01:12:31,881 --> 01:12:33,314
Yes, of course,
1200
01:12:33,316 --> 01:12:38,119
but you being a martyr
doesn't do anyone any favors.
1201
01:12:38,121 --> 01:12:41,522
When the case was active,
you were here physically,
1202
01:12:41,524 --> 01:12:43,925
but your mind was miles away.
1203
01:12:43,927 --> 01:12:45,293
Is it a good thing for you
1204
01:12:45,295 --> 01:12:46,961
to fight for other
people's families
1205
01:12:46,963 --> 01:12:48,763
when your own has
to suffer for it?
1206
01:12:48,765 --> 01:12:52,967
You know I love you, but
this is how I was made,
1207
01:12:52,969 --> 01:12:55,269
this is what you married.
1208
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,840
Well, if you've
made up your mind,
1209
01:12:58,842 --> 01:13:03,778
I guess there's nothing
else for me to say.
1210
01:13:07,751 --> 01:13:09,550
Well, do you support me?
1211
01:13:10,687 --> 01:13:12,954
I can't do this without you.
1212
01:13:15,058 --> 01:13:19,093
I'll always be by your
side, you know that.
1213
01:13:19,829 --> 01:13:21,162
And I hope when
you find this guy,
1214
01:13:21,164 --> 01:13:25,833
you get the inner peace
that you're seeking.
1215
01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:42,350
One of the victims,
Marsha Intola,
1216
01:13:42,352 --> 01:13:45,853
the one who was posed with
the fish and the wine...
1217
01:13:45,855 --> 01:13:46,654
Yeah?
1218
01:13:46,656 --> 01:13:49,123
She was stripped
naked like the others,
1219
01:13:49,125 --> 01:13:50,958
but there was a
dress found nearby
1220
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,194
which was identified as hers.
1221
01:13:53,196 --> 01:13:55,363
There was a semen sample
taken from the dress.
1222
01:13:55,365 --> 01:13:59,333
We also recovered semen
from several of the victims.
1223
01:13:59,335 --> 01:14:02,236
I know we established
many years back
1224
01:14:02,238 --> 01:14:04,939
that the samples were
all from the same man,
1225
01:14:04,941 --> 01:14:07,408
we just did not
have the technology
1226
01:14:07,410 --> 01:14:09,944
for a more detailed DNA profile.
1227
01:14:09,946 --> 01:14:12,113
So what can we do now?
1228
01:14:12,115 --> 01:14:15,516
Our advances mean that the
sample from the discarded dress
1229
01:14:15,518 --> 01:14:18,219
will stand strong
against the suspects
1230
01:14:18,221 --> 01:14:19,454
we have on our database.
1231
01:14:19,456 --> 01:14:21,889
We should also be
able to get matches
1232
01:14:21,891 --> 01:14:26,394
on the semen samples retrieved
from the other victims.
1233
01:14:27,130 --> 01:14:28,396
Okay.
1234
01:14:28,832 --> 01:14:30,331
Let's get it done.
1235
01:14:32,602 --> 01:14:35,403
[clicks pen]
1236
01:14:44,681 --> 01:14:46,280
These are the results?
1237
01:14:46,549 --> 01:14:47,682
The same guy's DNA matches
1238
01:14:47,684 --> 01:14:50,451
every sample recovered
from the victims.
1239
01:14:50,553 --> 01:14:53,554
I don't even need to open this.
1240
01:14:55,959 --> 01:14:58,459
It's Gary Ridgway, isn't it?
1241
01:15:00,897 --> 01:15:04,398
[dramatic music]
1242
01:15:10,473 --> 01:15:13,007
[scoffs]
1243
01:15:17,714 --> 01:15:19,514
Let's go get him.
1244
01:15:47,076 --> 01:15:48,776
[David] Put your hands
in the air.
1245
01:15:48,778 --> 01:15:53,281
One false move and I'll put
two in the back of your head.
1246
01:15:53,283 --> 01:15:56,551
Slowly, put your hands
behind your back.
1247
01:15:56,719 --> 01:16:00,288
[hand cuffs clicking]
1248
01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:05,626
Gotcha, asshole.
1249
01:16:14,437 --> 01:16:16,070
[Reporter on TV]
In the early 1980s,
1250
01:16:16,072 --> 01:16:18,806
the area around the Green
River, south of Seattle,
1251
01:16:18,808 --> 01:16:19,907
was the site of one of
1252
01:16:19,909 --> 01:16:21,475
the most gruesome
serial-killing sprees
1253
01:16:21,477 --> 01:16:22,677
this country has ever seen.
1254
01:16:22,679 --> 01:16:24,712
At least 49 women, police say,
1255
01:16:24,714 --> 01:16:26,380
mostly prostitutes and runaways,
1256
01:16:26,382 --> 01:16:28,783
disappeared or
were found murdered
1257
01:16:28,785 --> 01:16:30,318
along this stretch of water.
1258
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,920
Gary Leon Ridgway,
now in custody,
1259
01:16:32,922 --> 01:16:34,288
was a prime suspect back then,
1260
01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,792
but police didn't have enough
evidence to make a solid case.
1261
01:16:37,794 --> 01:16:39,727
Now, new technology, police say,
1262
01:16:39,729 --> 01:16:40,962
has linked Ridgway's DNA
1263
01:16:40,964 --> 01:16:42,997
with DNA found on three of
the Green River victims,
1264
01:16:42,999 --> 01:16:47,101
while other evidence, police
say, ties him to a fourth.
1265
01:16:47,103 --> 01:16:48,202
A team of scientists
1266
01:16:48,204 --> 01:16:51,038
spent more than 800
hours on the lab work.
1267
01:16:55,244 --> 01:16:58,846
They got you chained up
pretty good there, don't they?
1268
01:17:00,383 --> 01:17:01,349
Yeah.
1269
01:17:01,351 --> 01:17:02,817
They must be concerned about
1270
01:17:02,819 --> 01:17:06,020
whether or not you're
gonna run off, huh?
1271
01:17:07,757 --> 01:17:08,656
I guess so.
1272
01:17:08,658 --> 01:17:10,858
[David] You wouldn't
do that, would you?
1273
01:17:11,728 --> 01:17:13,194
Not this time.
1274
01:17:13,596 --> 01:17:17,164
[hand cuffs clicking]
1275
01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:22,803
Give us a minute, will you, Tom?
1276
01:17:22,805 --> 01:17:24,171
[Tom] Sure.
1277
01:17:27,810 --> 01:17:29,744
[door closes]
1278
01:17:33,016 --> 01:17:36,517
I'm the lead investigator
on this case.
1279
01:17:37,654 --> 01:17:38,452
I know.
1280
01:17:38,454 --> 01:17:40,421
That means you and
I must've stood
1281
01:17:40,423 --> 01:17:42,923
in a lot of the same places.
1282
01:17:43,426 --> 01:17:45,559
I think we stood in every place.
1283
01:17:45,561 --> 01:17:47,762
What do you think about that?
1284
01:17:47,897 --> 01:17:51,532
You were on one side,
I was on the other.
1285
01:17:51,834 --> 01:17:56,671
Where I killed them, you were
the one who recovered them.
1286
01:17:57,540 --> 01:17:58,939
Now,
1287
01:17:58,941 --> 01:18:00,441
finally,
1288
01:18:00,443 --> 01:18:01,676
we meet.
1289
01:18:01,678 --> 01:18:02,910
Yeah.
1290
01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:07,882
I've been working on
this case a long time.
1291
01:18:08,751 --> 01:18:12,586
Looks like I've caused
you a few gray hairs.
1292
01:18:13,423 --> 01:18:18,392
So, Gary, you've been
pretty forthcoming so far,
1293
01:18:18,594 --> 01:18:21,929
but do I know everything
there is to know?
1294
01:18:22,031 --> 01:18:24,532
Yeah, I'm not holding
anything back.
1295
01:18:26,636 --> 01:18:28,069
Can you really
look me in the eye
1296
01:18:28,071 --> 01:18:31,639
and tell me you're not
holding anything back?
1297
01:18:36,612 --> 01:18:39,947
I haven't been, um,
1298
01:18:39,949 --> 01:18:40,848
you know--
1299
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:44,885
Wait a minute, your eyes
are going back and forth.
1300
01:18:47,423 --> 01:18:48,989
I'm not lying to you.
1301
01:18:48,991 --> 01:18:50,591
Yes, you are.
1302
01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:52,960
The thing is, Gary,
1303
01:18:52,962 --> 01:18:55,596
you and I can be enemies
1304
01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:58,299
or we can be buddies,
1305
01:18:58,668 --> 01:19:00,935
that's your choice.
1306
01:19:00,937 --> 01:19:02,870
If you're gonna
keep lying to me,
1307
01:19:02,872 --> 01:19:04,805
then we'll be enemies.
1308
01:19:05,141 --> 01:19:08,642
So, what you gonna do?
1309
01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:12,713
I don't know what you want.
1310
01:19:12,715 --> 01:19:14,615
The bodies.
1311
01:19:17,787 --> 01:19:20,154
There are more, aren't there?
1312
01:19:24,961 --> 01:19:26,160
Yes.
1313
01:19:26,863 --> 01:19:27,795
[tense music]
1314
01:19:27,797 --> 01:19:32,600
So, how are we
gonna work together?
1315
01:19:33,136 --> 01:19:36,036
You want me to tell
you where they are?
1316
01:19:36,038 --> 01:19:37,304
Yes.
1317
01:19:37,707 --> 01:19:40,808
We're gonna find every
last one of them.
1318
01:19:46,649 --> 01:19:47,882
Alright.
1319
01:19:49,552 --> 01:19:52,953
My memory is hazy, but I'll try.
1320
01:19:52,955 --> 01:19:54,221
Yes, you will.
1321
01:20:19,015 --> 01:20:22,616
We should've gotten some
champagne to celebrate.
1322
01:20:22,618 --> 01:20:26,787
That's alright, I'm just happy
to be here with you both.
1323
01:20:26,956 --> 01:20:28,856
How do you feel, Dad?
1324
01:20:28,858 --> 01:20:30,157
Relieved.
1325
01:20:30,393 --> 01:20:34,662
But the hardest part
of it all...memories.
1326
01:20:34,664 --> 01:20:38,833
You'll get some closure now
that you've caught the guy.
1327
01:20:41,070 --> 01:20:45,439
Yeah, Dad, it's finally over.
1328
01:20:52,648 --> 01:20:55,950
[mellow guitar music]
1329
01:21:41,864 --> 01:21:44,565
Bob, what you doing here?
1330
01:21:44,567 --> 01:21:47,434
Thought I'd pay you a visit
given the recent headlines.
1331
01:21:47,436 --> 01:21:51,105
I stopped by the house,
Sandra said you might be here.
1332
01:21:51,107 --> 01:21:53,007
It's good to see you.
1333
01:21:53,075 --> 01:21:54,508
Been a while, huh?
1334
01:21:54,510 --> 01:21:55,943
Yeah, it has.
1335
01:21:55,945 --> 01:21:58,178
I think congratulations
are in order.
1336
01:21:58,180 --> 01:22:00,114
Oh, it was a team game,
1337
01:22:00,116 --> 01:22:01,582
you were part of that team,
1338
01:22:01,584 --> 01:22:03,817
you should give yourself
a pat on the back.
1339
01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:07,688
I think we can all be thankful
for the advances in DNA.
1340
01:22:07,690 --> 01:22:09,189
True.
1341
01:22:09,191 --> 01:22:11,258
So, what now?
1342
01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:12,726
Time to move on.
1343
01:22:12,929 --> 01:22:17,431
Ridgway's behind bars,
the healing can begin.
1344
01:22:19,468 --> 01:22:24,338
You know, there's one
thing I keep asking myself.
1345
01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:27,408
How do we stop this thing
from happening again?
1346
01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:28,542
There are a multitude of things
1347
01:22:28,544 --> 01:22:30,644
we could do to
make a difference,
1348
01:22:30,646 --> 01:22:34,214
greater education from
a psychology standpoint,
1349
01:22:34,216 --> 01:22:37,618
spotting the warning signs
of psychopathy early on.
1350
01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:40,287
From a law enforcement
standpoint, we have
1351
01:22:40,289 --> 01:22:42,823
advances in DNA
and a better network
1352
01:22:42,825 --> 01:22:45,793
of communication
between the agencies.
1353
01:22:46,028 --> 01:22:50,798
But, maybe I'm getting
soft in my old age,
1354
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,566
I just can't help
thinking about it
1355
01:22:52,568 --> 01:22:54,835
from a philosophical standpoint.
1356
01:22:55,237 --> 01:22:56,236
I'm intrigued.
1357
01:22:56,238 --> 01:22:59,907
Well, if those of us who are
positive in our intentions
1358
01:22:59,909 --> 01:23:01,976
spread enough love and light,
1359
01:23:01,978 --> 01:23:03,877
maybe there won't
be so much darkness
1360
01:23:03,879 --> 01:23:05,012
for evil to maneuver in.
1361
01:23:05,014 --> 01:23:08,182
I never had you down
as an idealist, Bob.
1362
01:23:08,184 --> 01:23:10,017
I never used to be.
1363
01:23:10,019 --> 01:23:12,987
But the times, they
are a changing.
1364
01:23:13,622 --> 01:23:15,022
You know what?
1365
01:23:20,329 --> 01:23:22,563
I think you're right.
1366
01:23:27,603 --> 01:23:28,902
[badge splashes in water]
1367
01:23:28,904 --> 01:23:32,072
[dramatic music]