1 00:00:12,149 --> 00:00:16,488 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 2 00:00:21,358 --> 00:00:24,563 (SCOOTER ENGINE RUMBLING) 3 00:00:25,296 --> 00:00:28,267 ♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 4 00:00:37,641 --> 00:00:39,675 JEFF SEIBERT: She had the scooter. 5 00:00:39,744 --> 00:00:40,809 She was kind of, you know, 6 00:00:40,878 --> 00:00:44,145 "I'm gonna do what I wanna do when I wanna do it." 7 00:00:44,214 --> 00:00:46,581 A young teen girl on a scooter was uncommon, 8 00:00:46,650 --> 00:00:50,185 but it's this great image of she's just breezing around 9 00:00:50,254 --> 00:00:52,487 this neighborhood that she lived in. 10 00:00:52,556 --> 00:00:56,592 That was her kind of spirit. Like, "I'm gonna go 11 00:00:56,661 --> 00:00:57,829 where I wanna go." 12 00:01:02,432 --> 00:01:05,099 TONY TOBLER: A scooter? Like a moped? 13 00:01:05,168 --> 00:01:09,171 I know a lot of kids in that neighborhood did have those. 14 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,373 But I don't remember her having one. 15 00:01:11,442 --> 00:01:14,346 CORI TOBLER: I don't remember a scooter. 16 00:01:17,948 --> 00:01:20,950 SHARON ROSE STEWARD: From what I remember, she was a fun, outgoing girl. 17 00:01:21,019 --> 00:01:23,485 She knew things about music and makeup 18 00:01:23,554 --> 00:01:25,721 and her heels and with her hair done. 19 00:01:25,790 --> 00:01:27,826 She was very much a girly girl. 20 00:01:29,493 --> 00:01:31,126 MARGIE PANDOS: She was not a girly girl, 21 00:01:31,195 --> 00:01:33,562 not one to sit and play with dolls. 22 00:01:33,631 --> 00:01:39,771 Rocks, and tadpoles, and shells, and sand, she enjoyed. 23 00:01:41,972 --> 00:01:46,074 And she liked blue jeans and the high-top Reeboks. 24 00:01:46,143 --> 00:01:48,247 Rugby shirts, she loved those. 25 00:01:49,547 --> 00:01:55,150 She was never really an affectionate child. 26 00:01:55,219 --> 00:01:57,018 JEFF: I guess empathetic is the right word. 27 00:01:57,087 --> 00:02:00,422 KERRIE CAMPBELL: She's always nice to people who didn't fit in. 28 00:02:00,491 --> 00:02:02,190 SHARON: I always thought she was spoiled rotten. 29 00:02:02,259 --> 00:02:03,758 JEFF: Kind of quiet. 30 00:02:03,827 --> 00:02:05,494 -TONY: She was outgoing and carefree. -CORI: She was just needy. 31 00:02:05,563 --> 00:02:09,598 MARGIE: Her disposition was like most 15-year-olds, 32 00:02:09,667 --> 00:02:13,505 but her highs were higher, and her lows were lower. 33 00:02:14,604 --> 00:02:16,875 RON PANDOS: She was just a typical teenager. 34 00:02:23,982 --> 00:02:26,218 ♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC FADES) ♪ 35 00:02:31,722 --> 00:02:33,588 STEPHEN PANDOS: Okay, this is Jennifer's note. 36 00:02:33,657 --> 00:02:37,025 So this is a photocopy of the note that was left 37 00:02:37,094 --> 00:02:38,826 when my sister disappeared. 38 00:02:38,895 --> 00:02:43,364 Jennifer was reported missing in February of 1987. 39 00:02:43,433 --> 00:02:45,367 I was in college in North Carolina, 40 00:02:45,436 --> 00:02:49,271 and for the first 22 years of her disappearance, 41 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:52,207 you know, uh, everything I've been told, 42 00:02:52,276 --> 00:02:53,913 you know, was... was a lie. 43 00:02:55,779 --> 00:03:00,115 How I got all this information was for years of trying to do 44 00:03:00,184 --> 00:03:01,883 the right thing by Jennifer. 45 00:03:01,952 --> 00:03:07,122 In 2014, I reached out to an attorney in Williamsburg 46 00:03:07,191 --> 00:03:11,763 about whether I could sue my parents, uh... 47 00:03:13,097 --> 00:03:15,597 for the death of my sister. 48 00:03:15,666 --> 00:03:18,533 Um, and it was not... not about money. 49 00:03:18,602 --> 00:03:22,065 I don't want money, or, you know, anything. 50 00:03:22,134 --> 00:03:26,341 I just wanted, you know, a judge to say, uh, 51 00:03:26,410 --> 00:03:29,477 "You're responsible and... and you did it." 52 00:03:29,546 --> 00:03:32,817 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 53 00:03:34,386 --> 00:03:37,589 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 54 00:04:01,912 --> 00:04:04,950 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 55 00:04:08,686 --> 00:04:10,990 MARGIE: It was February, it was cold. 56 00:04:13,390 --> 00:04:15,394 Stephen was away at school. 57 00:04:16,593 --> 00:04:19,731 You know, it was getting on towards bedtime. 58 00:04:21,733 --> 00:04:22,997 Jenny. 59 00:04:23,066 --> 00:04:26,001 MARGIE: I asked Jennifer, "Will you call your grandmother?" 60 00:04:26,070 --> 00:04:28,070 Will you call your grandmother? 61 00:04:28,139 --> 00:04:29,405 MARGIE: "And pick up your room." 62 00:04:29,474 --> 00:04:30,739 And pick up your room? 63 00:04:30,808 --> 00:04:32,844 JENNIFER PANDOS, ACTOR: Okay, I will after homework. 64 00:04:33,610 --> 00:04:35,447 MARGIE: She was most agreeable. 65 00:04:38,482 --> 00:04:41,686 She had her bed and there was a chest of drawers. 66 00:04:42,719 --> 00:04:45,790 There was a big wicker rocking chair. 67 00:04:46,924 --> 00:04:49,124 A dressing table, 68 00:04:49,193 --> 00:04:51,530 which had been a family heirloom. 69 00:04:53,264 --> 00:04:55,901 For the most part, she was orderly. 70 00:04:57,601 --> 00:05:00,569 You know, I could see her right now. 71 00:05:00,638 --> 00:05:03,506 In her room, at the end of her bed. 72 00:05:03,575 --> 00:05:05,510 In the panda night shirt. 73 00:05:07,145 --> 00:05:08,243 JENNIFER, ACTOR: I did, yeah. 74 00:05:08,312 --> 00:05:10,679 It was after fourth period, before gym. 75 00:05:10,748 --> 00:05:13,348 Mm-hmm, okay. So, I was thinking 76 00:05:13,417 --> 00:05:15,283 I'm gonna put a note in his locker. 77 00:05:15,352 --> 00:05:16,989 Because I have to tell him. 78 00:05:19,391 --> 00:05:22,523 (BIRDS CALLING) 79 00:05:22,592 --> 00:05:26,765 MARGIE: That morning, I went downstairs, 80 00:05:28,032 --> 00:05:30,532 not hearing her shower, 81 00:05:30,601 --> 00:05:32,935 and realizing, "Hmm, she could have overslept." 82 00:05:33,004 --> 00:05:36,375 Jenny. Jennifer Lynn. 83 00:05:39,443 --> 00:05:40,904 MARGIE: And her door was locked. 84 00:05:40,973 --> 00:05:42,948 Jennifer, unlock this door. 85 00:05:44,448 --> 00:05:46,176 MARGIE: And you know, here I am twisting the door 86 00:05:46,245 --> 00:05:47,515 and pushing on it and pulling on it, 87 00:05:47,584 --> 00:05:50,285 and calling her name, and not getting anything, 88 00:05:50,354 --> 00:05:53,188 and calling for Ron, who's upstairs. 89 00:05:53,257 --> 00:05:55,257 Jennifer Lynn, open this-- Ron! 90 00:05:55,326 --> 00:05:58,288 God! What? Jesus Christ. 91 00:05:58,357 --> 00:06:01,162 MARGIE: And getting him to come downstairs, 92 00:06:01,231 --> 00:06:05,133 and we finally get something to push the lock open and... 93 00:06:05,202 --> 00:06:07,806 -(GRUNTS) -MARGIE, ACTOR: Jenny. 94 00:06:10,174 --> 00:06:11,410 MARGIE: She's not there. 95 00:06:15,612 --> 00:06:18,113 Her coat was gone, her handbag was gone. 96 00:06:18,182 --> 00:06:22,450 Her contact lens were there, her retainer was there. 97 00:06:22,519 --> 00:06:26,454 And finding that note at the end of her bed. 98 00:06:26,523 --> 00:06:27,622 It could have been on the bed 99 00:06:27,691 --> 00:06:30,125 it could have been on the cedar chest, 100 00:06:30,194 --> 00:06:31,463 at the foot of her bed. 101 00:06:33,097 --> 00:06:34,566 But finding it there, 102 00:06:35,433 --> 00:06:36,768 that's... 103 00:06:40,104 --> 00:06:41,606 where my world ended. 104 00:06:43,508 --> 00:06:45,440 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 105 00:06:45,509 --> 00:06:46,709 MARGIE: When Jennifer disappeared, 106 00:06:46,778 --> 00:06:48,543 we were living in a townhome 107 00:06:48,612 --> 00:06:50,846 backed up to, just a little finger, 108 00:06:50,915 --> 00:06:53,718 of what they call Kingsmill Pond. 109 00:06:55,353 --> 00:06:57,189 Kingsmill was a gated community. 110 00:06:58,122 --> 00:06:59,620 Somebody that would have picked her up 111 00:06:59,689 --> 00:07:01,560 would've had to have come through the gate. 112 00:07:04,128 --> 00:07:05,861 If she were on her own, 113 00:07:05,930 --> 00:07:08,696 and could have gotten to Highway 60, 114 00:07:08,765 --> 00:07:12,000 she could have been picked up at the convenience store, or, 115 00:07:12,069 --> 00:07:14,669 you know, that's the road to the brewery. 116 00:07:14,738 --> 00:07:18,040 There were probably trucks running 24/7. 117 00:07:18,109 --> 00:07:19,578 Anything is possible. 118 00:07:22,113 --> 00:07:24,547 Ron filed the report with the police 119 00:07:24,616 --> 00:07:26,215 that she was missing. 120 00:07:26,284 --> 00:07:29,785 They did what you'd call a 'Missing Person Report.' 121 00:07:29,854 --> 00:07:32,421 I guess it just went cold with them. 122 00:07:32,490 --> 00:07:34,689 I think they just thought she was a runaway, 123 00:07:34,758 --> 00:07:37,492 and she would eventually show up at a friend's house, 124 00:07:37,561 --> 00:07:40,829 or a grandparent, or show back up at home. 125 00:07:40,898 --> 00:07:43,135 To me, there was nothing much ever done. 126 00:07:44,235 --> 00:07:45,868 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 127 00:07:45,937 --> 00:07:48,136 MARGIE: Ron and I would sit... 128 00:07:48,205 --> 00:07:51,573 at night on the stairs looking out the window 129 00:07:51,642 --> 00:07:54,076 into the driveway and the parking lot 130 00:07:54,145 --> 00:07:56,115 of the condo complex. 131 00:07:56,681 --> 00:07:59,414 Just watch for cars. 132 00:07:59,483 --> 00:08:03,486 It was days and nights sitting by the phone. 133 00:08:03,555 --> 00:08:06,488 Just... sitting and waiting, 134 00:08:06,557 --> 00:08:08,260 and I'm still sitting and waiting. 135 00:08:16,166 --> 00:08:19,171 (WIND HOWLING FAINTLY) 136 00:08:37,388 --> 00:08:38,920 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪ 137 00:08:38,989 --> 00:08:45,230 ♪ (POP SONG PLAYING OVER CAR RADIO) ♪ 138 00:08:51,235 --> 00:08:52,734 (CAR DOOR OPENING) 139 00:08:52,803 --> 00:08:57,472 (NEWS ANCHOR SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY ON TV) 140 00:08:57,541 --> 00:09:00,008 PUNDIT: (ON TV) Yeah, no. And I'd say there's a big difference 141 00:09:00,077 --> 00:09:01,911 between Trump going into election day 142 00:09:01,980 --> 00:09:04,283 in the mid-forties versus the low forties... 143 00:09:05,316 --> 00:09:08,787 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 144 00:09:09,854 --> 00:09:12,421 STEPHEN: Sharon, this is Stephen Pandos, 145 00:09:12,490 --> 00:09:13,789 I'm Jennifer's brother. 146 00:09:13,858 --> 00:09:15,356 I'm trying to get to Williamsburg, 147 00:09:15,425 --> 00:09:18,964 here in the next few weeks, and would like to meet you. 148 00:09:19,631 --> 00:09:20,828 Thanks very much. 149 00:09:20,897 --> 00:09:25,395 Sharon was the... the girl who was on the phone 150 00:09:25,464 --> 00:09:28,640 with my sister the night she disappeared. 151 00:09:29,406 --> 00:09:30,805 It's so weird saying that. 152 00:09:30,874 --> 00:09:35,014 Saying, "This is Stephen. This is Jennifer's brother." 153 00:09:36,046 --> 00:09:37,116 I don't... 154 00:09:38,550 --> 00:09:39,751 I don't ever... 155 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,919 have reason to say that really. 156 00:09:43,988 --> 00:09:46,959 (CAR ENGINE STARTING, RUMBLING) 157 00:09:49,359 --> 00:09:52,327 STEPHEN: I've been at this now for almost ten years, 158 00:09:52,396 --> 00:09:55,767 trying to figure out the truth and what happened to Jennifer. 159 00:10:00,071 --> 00:10:03,271 STEPHEN: I went to college in the fall of '86. 160 00:10:03,340 --> 00:10:07,142 Jennifer disappeared in February of '87. 161 00:10:07,211 --> 00:10:10,612 And what I remember is getting a call from my mother 162 00:10:10,681 --> 00:10:14,482 and her asking me if I had seen Jennifer. 163 00:10:14,551 --> 00:10:15,817 She thought that she'd run away, 164 00:10:15,886 --> 00:10:18,420 and for whatever reason, she may stop and see me, 165 00:10:18,489 --> 00:10:20,125 however she was getting around. 166 00:10:21,791 --> 00:10:24,859 My mother was not hysterical or frantic. 167 00:10:24,928 --> 00:10:29,264 It was very matter-of-fact. I remember asking questions, 168 00:10:29,333 --> 00:10:31,433 and not getting especially good answers. 169 00:10:31,502 --> 00:10:33,703 And when you tried to talk about it with my mother, 170 00:10:33,772 --> 00:10:35,740 she would just kind of shut it down. 171 00:10:39,844 --> 00:10:41,576 -SHARON: Hi. -Hi. 172 00:10:41,645 --> 00:10:42,811 -Stephen. -STEPHEN: Yeah, Sharon. 173 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,512 -Nice to see you. -Good to see you. You too. 174 00:10:44,581 --> 00:10:45,647 -STEPHEN: You too. -Come on in. 175 00:10:45,716 --> 00:10:49,279 I believe I found-- This must have been... 176 00:10:49,348 --> 00:10:51,620 We were on our off time. (LAUGHS) 177 00:10:51,689 --> 00:10:53,121 -STEPHEN: Yeah. (CHUCKLES) -Look. 178 00:10:53,190 --> 00:10:54,923 But then we made up because she was like... 179 00:10:54,992 --> 00:10:56,191 BOTH: "Thanks a lot, Sharon." 180 00:10:56,260 --> 00:10:57,760 She had a good sense of humor about it. 181 00:10:57,829 --> 00:10:58,927 SHARON: She did. 182 00:10:58,996 --> 00:11:01,764 "Sharon, thanks for what you did to my picture. 183 00:11:01,833 --> 00:11:03,031 You've been a great friend. 184 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:04,967 And even though we've had our ups and downs, 185 00:11:05,036 --> 00:11:07,803 we've pulled it through. Gotta cruise. 186 00:11:07,872 --> 00:11:09,304 Love you, Jenn Pandos." 187 00:11:09,373 --> 00:11:10,606 Yeah, that's Jennifer, right? 188 00:11:10,675 --> 00:11:11,873 -(LAUGHS) -STEPHEN: Yeah. 189 00:11:11,942 --> 00:11:14,009 And then in high school, you were on the phone 190 00:11:14,078 --> 00:11:15,776 that night, that, you know, when whatever happened. 191 00:11:15,845 --> 00:11:17,513 And... can you tell me a little bit more about, 192 00:11:17,582 --> 00:11:19,481 you know, that conversation? 193 00:11:19,550 --> 00:11:20,650 -We-- -STEPHEN: What you remember? 194 00:11:20,719 --> 00:11:21,817 -We were talking... -STEPHEN: Right. 195 00:11:21,886 --> 00:11:24,419 ...and your dad had opened the door, 196 00:11:24,488 --> 00:11:26,654 I could-- I knew he had opened the door. And it was, 197 00:11:26,723 --> 00:11:28,023 -"Get off the phone." -STEPHEN: Right. Yeah. 198 00:11:28,092 --> 00:11:30,760 And she was like, "Okay, Dad." 199 00:11:30,829 --> 00:11:32,061 -STEPHEN: Right. -And he's like-- 200 00:11:32,130 --> 00:11:34,262 Second time he came in. It was the second or third time, 201 00:11:34,331 --> 00:11:36,898 and it was like, "Get off the effing phone," 202 00:11:36,967 --> 00:11:38,400 or the "GD phone." I mean, it was-- 203 00:11:38,469 --> 00:11:42,204 And it was a tone I'd never heard your dad use before. 204 00:11:42,273 --> 00:11:43,171 Right. 205 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,074 SHARON: It was the way he yelled. 206 00:11:46,143 --> 00:11:48,944 -It can be intense. I mean-- -It was intense. 207 00:11:49,013 --> 00:11:51,747 -And like, "Okay, Ronald!" -STEPHEN: Right. 208 00:11:51,816 --> 00:11:53,082 Or "Just a minute, Ronald." Or some-- 209 00:11:53,151 --> 00:11:54,715 I remember, she called him Ronald. 210 00:11:54,784 --> 00:11:57,052 -STEPHEN: Oh, right. And that just-- -And I'm like, "Oh, my God..." 211 00:11:57,121 --> 00:11:58,653 -STEPHEN: Yeah. -"...he's going to kill you." 212 00:11:58,722 --> 00:12:00,088 -STEPHEN: Right. -SHARON: That had to have been 213 00:12:00,157 --> 00:12:01,756 between, like, nine and ten o'clock. 214 00:12:01,825 --> 00:12:03,658 So we hung up the phone, "I'll see you tomorrow." 215 00:12:03,727 --> 00:12:06,061 And the next day. I waited for her... 216 00:12:06,130 --> 00:12:07,796 -STEPHEN: Right. -...and she didn't show. 217 00:12:07,865 --> 00:12:09,598 -So I called your house. -STEPHEN: Right. 218 00:12:09,667 --> 00:12:11,533 And your mom told me she was sick. 219 00:12:11,602 --> 00:12:12,935 -Right -SHARON: Okay. 220 00:12:13,004 --> 00:12:14,136 Again, the second day... 221 00:12:14,205 --> 00:12:15,504 -STEPHEN: Yeah. -...the same thing, 222 00:12:15,573 --> 00:12:16,706 I waited for her. 223 00:12:16,775 --> 00:12:19,174 She didn't show, I called the house. 224 00:12:19,243 --> 00:12:22,077 And I think your mom had said, she was out with your dad. 225 00:12:22,146 --> 00:12:24,480 -Right. -And then it was the third day, 226 00:12:24,549 --> 00:12:26,485 your mom came to our house. 227 00:12:27,451 --> 00:12:30,852 And, um, I remember, I was in the kitchen. 228 00:12:30,921 --> 00:12:34,055 And my mom had answered the door, 229 00:12:34,124 --> 00:12:36,492 -and I heard your mom's voice. -STEPHEN: Right. 230 00:12:36,561 --> 00:12:37,853 And I came around, 231 00:12:37,922 --> 00:12:39,827 and I was like, "Oh, my God, what happened to Jennifer?" 232 00:12:39,896 --> 00:12:41,596 -Like, "Where's Jennifer?" -STEPHEN: Mm-hmm. Right. 233 00:12:41,665 --> 00:12:44,132 And your mom was like, "We don't know." 234 00:12:44,201 --> 00:12:46,268 She ran away. I'm like, "What?" 235 00:12:46,337 --> 00:12:47,769 You know, "Have you heard from her?" 236 00:12:47,838 --> 00:12:49,204 "No, we hadn't heard from her." 237 00:12:49,273 --> 00:12:51,974 It wasn't the, you know, the frantic mom, like, 238 00:12:52,043 --> 00:12:54,142 "Oh, my kid's missing, what am I gonna do?" 239 00:12:54,211 --> 00:12:56,745 -Mm, no. No. -Right? Right. 240 00:12:56,814 --> 00:12:58,581 I mean, Stephen, she came in our-- 241 00:12:58,650 --> 00:12:59,748 she came in the door. 242 00:12:59,817 --> 00:13:01,616 She kind of stood in the foyer. 243 00:13:01,685 --> 00:13:03,852 -Right. -She never took her coat off. 244 00:13:03,921 --> 00:13:06,754 I think I thought at first she had run away. 245 00:13:06,823 --> 00:13:08,551 -STEPHEN: Right. -And she that didn't tell me, 246 00:13:08,620 --> 00:13:10,059 and it's like, "Who is this person?" 247 00:13:10,128 --> 00:13:11,660 -Like we share everything. -She doesn't-- 248 00:13:11,729 --> 00:13:12,828 -(SHARON CHUCKLES) -Right, yeah. 249 00:13:12,897 --> 00:13:16,064 Exactly. You shared everything. How would you-- 250 00:13:16,133 --> 00:13:19,001 How would you not know that she was having, 251 00:13:19,070 --> 00:13:20,302 you know, such problems 252 00:13:20,371 --> 00:13:22,070 that she would've felt like she would need to run away? 253 00:13:22,139 --> 00:13:23,305 -Right. -She didn't take anything. 254 00:13:23,374 --> 00:13:25,401 There was nothing missing from her room. 255 00:13:25,470 --> 00:13:26,976 That's what I always said, like, 256 00:13:27,045 --> 00:13:30,312 she would have never left with no clothes. (LAUGHS) 257 00:13:30,381 --> 00:13:32,180 I believe with, you know, all that I am 258 00:13:32,249 --> 00:13:34,049 that my father is responsible. 259 00:13:34,118 --> 00:13:36,018 My mom had said that was one of the first things 260 00:13:36,087 --> 00:13:38,754 I had said though. "Her dad did something." 261 00:13:38,823 --> 00:13:40,055 I'm like, "I said that?" She was like, 262 00:13:40,124 --> 00:13:41,456 "Yeah, you said that. 263 00:13:41,525 --> 00:13:43,025 'Her dad did something to her.'" 264 00:13:43,094 --> 00:13:46,565 (WIND HOWLING FAINTLY) 265 00:13:51,703 --> 00:13:54,974 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 266 00:13:56,006 --> 00:13:58,340 RON, ACTOR: Baby, listen, it's after 10:00. 267 00:13:58,409 --> 00:14:00,108 -JENNIFER, ACTOR: I know, -And you know the rules? 268 00:14:00,177 --> 00:14:02,247 There's no calls after 10:00, please get off the phone. 269 00:14:05,516 --> 00:14:06,514 No. No, no. No, no. 270 00:14:06,583 --> 00:14:08,917 That doesn't mean start a whole new conversation. 271 00:14:08,986 --> 00:14:11,223 Okay, okay. Just give me a second to say goodbye. 272 00:14:12,489 --> 00:14:14,457 What part of "get off the goddamn phone" 273 00:14:14,526 --> 00:14:15,423 don't you understand? 274 00:14:15,492 --> 00:14:17,192 Fine, Ronald. I'll get off the goddamn phone. 275 00:14:17,261 --> 00:14:18,931 Sharon, I'll talk to you tomorrow. 276 00:14:23,601 --> 00:14:25,467 INTERVIEWER: Can you talk about the dynamics 277 00:14:25,536 --> 00:14:27,068 in your household? 278 00:14:27,137 --> 00:14:30,305 Yeah, my father was the heavy. Yeah, for sure. 279 00:14:30,374 --> 00:14:33,112 What I remember is just always walking on eggshells. 280 00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:39,318 My parents divorced in the mid to late '90s. 281 00:14:40,284 --> 00:14:42,651 My father sold his accounting practice, 282 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,752 and moved to Texas. 283 00:14:44,821 --> 00:14:47,256 I don't have a relationship with my father now clearly, 284 00:14:47,325 --> 00:14:50,391 and didn't really before. He scares me. 285 00:14:50,460 --> 00:14:52,562 And Jennifer and I, dealt with my father 286 00:14:52,631 --> 00:14:53,495 very differently. 287 00:14:53,564 --> 00:14:56,031 Where she would fight back. I was just, 288 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:58,567 "Give it to me and let me get out of here." 289 00:14:58,636 --> 00:15:01,402 We were three and a half, four years apart, 290 00:15:01,471 --> 00:15:05,173 in really different orbits. I was rarely at home. 291 00:15:05,242 --> 00:15:07,775 I was always at the golf course, or always with friends. 292 00:15:07,844 --> 00:15:11,313 And Jennifer was spending weekends away from the house. 293 00:15:11,382 --> 00:15:14,315 And I think it was a survival technique. 294 00:15:14,384 --> 00:15:17,589 Because being at home just didn't feel safe. 295 00:15:19,157 --> 00:15:21,657 My mother never protected my sister 296 00:15:21,726 --> 00:15:25,994 or me from my father, ever. 297 00:15:26,063 --> 00:15:28,263 When my father would get angry and violent, 298 00:15:28,332 --> 00:15:30,502 my mother, she stayed away. 299 00:15:32,202 --> 00:15:34,069 MARGIE: That looks like a school picture for Stephen, 300 00:15:34,138 --> 00:15:36,839 but that's probably just a JCPenney snapshot, 301 00:15:36,908 --> 00:15:38,277 or something of her. 302 00:15:40,044 --> 00:15:44,245 Stephen has made it his mission to convict his father. 303 00:15:44,314 --> 00:15:46,614 And that's fine if Ron did it. 304 00:15:46,683 --> 00:15:51,954 But because I can't say that Ron did it. 305 00:15:52,023 --> 00:15:53,122 He basically told me, 306 00:15:53,191 --> 00:15:55,256 he never wanted to speak to me again. 307 00:15:55,325 --> 00:15:57,859 I don't have a relationship with my grandchildren 308 00:15:57,928 --> 00:15:59,528 because of this. 309 00:15:59,597 --> 00:16:02,798 Believe me, if I had the answers I'd give them to him. 310 00:16:02,867 --> 00:16:04,136 But I don't. 311 00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:06,835 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪ 312 00:16:06,904 --> 00:16:09,174 INTERVIEWER: 313 00:16:11,309 --> 00:16:15,844 I think that the, um... the police department 314 00:16:15,913 --> 00:16:18,150 doesn't wanna put any more resources 315 00:16:18,816 --> 00:16:19,814 into this. 316 00:16:19,883 --> 00:16:22,985 They think it might be like a deathbed confession, 317 00:16:23,054 --> 00:16:24,786 you know, kind of thing. 318 00:16:24,855 --> 00:16:28,556 I-- I don't understand why... 319 00:16:28,625 --> 00:16:33,729 why there's not more effort put into finishing something 320 00:16:33,798 --> 00:16:35,634 that they seem to be so close on. 321 00:16:41,538 --> 00:16:43,405 WENDI REED: My name is Sergeant Wendi Reed, 322 00:16:43,474 --> 00:16:45,407 I'm with the James City County Police Department, 323 00:16:45,476 --> 00:16:47,876 and I was assigned this case in 2006 324 00:16:47,945 --> 00:16:49,614 when I became an investigator. 325 00:16:50,948 --> 00:16:52,513 I was working on patrol. 326 00:16:52,582 --> 00:16:54,845 In one of our hallways was a bulletin board, 327 00:16:54,914 --> 00:16:57,686 and on that was a missing person flyer 328 00:16:57,755 --> 00:16:59,483 for Jennifer Pandos. 329 00:16:59,552 --> 00:17:00,555 She had disappeared 330 00:17:00,624 --> 00:17:04,526 and had never been seen or heard from since. 331 00:17:04,595 --> 00:17:06,796 That kind of sparked my interest. 332 00:17:06,865 --> 00:17:10,235 ♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 333 00:17:11,268 --> 00:17:12,667 WENDI: When I got the case, 334 00:17:12,736 --> 00:17:17,039 not much had been done on it for probably about 18 years, 335 00:17:17,108 --> 00:17:19,208 because the case file 336 00:17:19,277 --> 00:17:21,776 had gone missing from the police department. 337 00:17:21,845 --> 00:17:25,380 And there had been no contact with Margie or Ron Pandos. 338 00:17:25,449 --> 00:17:28,150 Because we didn't have that original case file. 339 00:17:28,219 --> 00:17:29,317 We had no idea 340 00:17:29,386 --> 00:17:31,420 when the family reported the crime, 341 00:17:31,489 --> 00:17:34,824 who was listed as suspects or who was interviewed. 342 00:17:34,893 --> 00:17:36,358 So starting from scratch 343 00:17:36,427 --> 00:17:40,195 was my only option at that point. 344 00:17:40,264 --> 00:17:43,298 I started out just trying to find out about Jennifer 345 00:17:43,367 --> 00:17:44,765 through her friends. 346 00:17:44,834 --> 00:17:47,502 People's past behavior is usually a good indication 347 00:17:47,571 --> 00:17:49,504 of what they're gonna do in the future. 348 00:17:49,573 --> 00:17:54,076 So knowing a lot about Jennifer and how she was as a person 349 00:17:54,145 --> 00:17:56,781 could lead us to what happened to her. 350 00:18:00,184 --> 00:18:01,883 I'm Cori Tobler. 351 00:18:01,952 --> 00:18:03,755 And I'm her husband, Tony Tobler. 352 00:18:05,056 --> 00:18:08,056 INTERVIEWER: 353 00:18:08,125 --> 00:18:10,458 I knew her from elementary school. 354 00:18:10,527 --> 00:18:13,962 She would come and spend the night at our house with us. 355 00:18:14,031 --> 00:18:16,564 And I met her I think 356 00:18:16,633 --> 00:18:19,668 just coming to a new school, meeting people. 357 00:18:19,737 --> 00:18:21,637 INTERVIEWER: 358 00:18:21,706 --> 00:18:22,704 Yes. 359 00:18:22,773 --> 00:18:25,074 INTERVIEWER: 360 00:18:25,143 --> 00:18:28,143 Started dating, dated for a couple months. 361 00:18:28,212 --> 00:18:32,284 A group of us were friends, so it just happened. 362 00:18:35,452 --> 00:18:37,919 I think whatever happened with her was February, 363 00:18:37,988 --> 00:18:42,224 and her and I stopped dating the summer before that. 364 00:18:42,293 --> 00:18:44,425 -Very high school. (LAUGHS) -Yeah. 365 00:18:44,494 --> 00:18:46,298 Yeah. Very, very high school. 366 00:18:47,231 --> 00:18:48,263 CORI: She had no fear. 367 00:18:48,332 --> 00:18:49,564 I don't feel like she ever had fear. 368 00:18:49,633 --> 00:18:51,333 Like I just thought she left with somebody. 369 00:18:51,402 --> 00:18:52,667 TONY: Yeah, like, just ran away. 370 00:18:52,736 --> 00:18:55,037 She is that person who-- "Oh, I could pull that off." 371 00:18:55,106 --> 00:18:59,278 Like, you know, I just-- "Wow, she really did pull it off." 372 00:19:00,677 --> 00:19:02,343 WENDI: As I was investigating this case, 373 00:19:02,412 --> 00:19:04,980 I got in contact with Cori Tobler. 374 00:19:05,049 --> 00:19:07,782 She had spoken about a Kerry Hendrix 375 00:19:07,851 --> 00:19:12,287 that was an older man that Jennifer had babysat for. 376 00:19:12,356 --> 00:19:14,722 He would provide them with alcohol. 377 00:19:14,791 --> 00:19:17,859 He would buy us, um, alcohol if we wanted it. 378 00:19:17,928 --> 00:19:20,428 INTERVIEWER: What do you think about that situation? 379 00:19:20,497 --> 00:19:22,564 Then? No, I thought it was awesome. It was cool. 380 00:19:22,633 --> 00:19:24,800 You know, somebody was letting us do 381 00:19:24,869 --> 00:19:25,634 what we wanted or whatever. 382 00:19:25,703 --> 00:19:27,302 -But now? -Yeah. Now you're older 383 00:19:27,371 --> 00:19:29,204 -and you have your own kids... -Yeah, I wouldn't do that. 384 00:19:29,273 --> 00:19:30,438 I wouldn't want my daughter 385 00:19:30,507 --> 00:19:33,278 babysitting for somebody like him either, so... 386 00:19:34,045 --> 00:19:35,644 WENDI: I ran a criminal history 387 00:19:35,713 --> 00:19:39,281 and found that he had numerous convictions for crimes 388 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:42,779 that were fairly violent towards women. 389 00:19:42,848 --> 00:19:45,153 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 390 00:19:45,222 --> 00:19:47,155 WENDI: In March of 1990, 391 00:19:47,224 --> 00:19:49,324 he was charged with attempt to commit rape. 392 00:19:49,393 --> 00:19:52,793 He was also charged with felony kidnapping. 393 00:19:52,862 --> 00:19:55,734 He would be a very good suspect to look into. 394 00:19:56,167 --> 00:19:58,233 INTERVIEWER: 395 00:19:58,302 --> 00:20:00,668 I was not able to locate Kerry Hendrix 396 00:20:00,737 --> 00:20:03,708 when I had the case in order to speak with him in person. 397 00:20:04,776 --> 00:20:07,242 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 398 00:20:07,311 --> 00:20:08,677 WENDI: When we're investigating cases, 399 00:20:08,746 --> 00:20:11,750 we have to keep an open mind to everything. 400 00:20:12,749 --> 00:20:15,250 I interviewed Margie at her home. 401 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:17,047 Margie advised me that she believed 402 00:20:17,116 --> 00:20:18,982 that Tony Tobler had something to do 403 00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,756 with her daughter's disappearance. 404 00:20:20,825 --> 00:20:23,125 When I asked her why, she said that, 405 00:20:23,194 --> 00:20:24,359 she wasn't really sure, 406 00:20:24,428 --> 00:20:26,462 he had been involved in martial arts, 407 00:20:26,531 --> 00:20:28,429 but she had never seen him 408 00:20:28,498 --> 00:20:31,231 be violent towards Jennifer at all. 409 00:20:33,103 --> 00:20:34,770 If you become closed-minded 410 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:37,539 and believe this is strictly a runaway, 411 00:20:37,608 --> 00:20:40,779 you've failed to see things that are right in front of you. 412 00:20:49,153 --> 00:20:51,352 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪ 413 00:20:51,421 --> 00:20:55,823 WENDI: Now, this is the note. On March 10th, 2007, 414 00:20:55,892 --> 00:20:59,094 I had gone down to Charlotte to speak with Margie Pandos, 415 00:20:59,163 --> 00:21:01,463 we had her fill out a questionnaire, 416 00:21:01,532 --> 00:21:05,570 and one of the questions stated something to the effect of... 417 00:21:07,104 --> 00:21:08,603 "Are you hiding anything 418 00:21:08,672 --> 00:21:11,473 that is pertinent to this investigation?" 419 00:21:11,542 --> 00:21:14,175 And she got to that question, and had her pen on the paper 420 00:21:14,244 --> 00:21:15,711 and she sat there for a little bit 421 00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:18,041 and then looked up at me and said, 422 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:19,851 "Well, I have the note if you want it." 423 00:21:20,885 --> 00:21:21,982 I was like, "Yeah." 424 00:21:22,051 --> 00:21:25,120 That was the first opportunity I ever had to really see 425 00:21:25,189 --> 00:21:27,389 what was said in the note. 426 00:21:27,458 --> 00:21:29,758 The handwriting was very messy. 427 00:21:29,827 --> 00:21:31,993 It appeared as if someone wrote it 428 00:21:32,062 --> 00:21:33,890 with their non-dominant hand. 429 00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:35,130 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 430 00:21:35,199 --> 00:21:37,565 STEPHEN: "Mr. and Mrs. Pandos, your daughter is with me. 431 00:21:37,634 --> 00:21:41,236 She is fine. She is having some problems though. 432 00:21:41,305 --> 00:21:43,338 She needs some time away from this place. 433 00:21:43,407 --> 00:21:45,040 Three to five days max. 434 00:21:45,109 --> 00:21:48,576 She is like a daughter to me, and I'm like a dad to her. 435 00:21:48,645 --> 00:21:50,511 Here are some of Jennifer's quotes, 436 00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:53,548 'I'm fine. I just need time to think. 437 00:21:53,617 --> 00:21:55,450 Both of you, please go to work tomorrow 438 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,121 because I will try to call you. I won't call at home, 439 00:21:59,190 --> 00:22:01,223 only at one of y'all's work. 440 00:22:01,292 --> 00:22:03,525 Cancel my doctor's appointment on Friday. 441 00:22:03,594 --> 00:22:05,595 Please put money into my bank account. 442 00:22:05,664 --> 00:22:07,262 Do not call the police. 443 00:22:07,331 --> 00:22:09,264 I can easily find out if you do. 444 00:22:09,333 --> 00:22:12,567 And if you do, I may never come back home. 445 00:22:12,636 --> 00:22:14,602 Don't tell my friends about this. 446 00:22:14,671 --> 00:22:17,676 Just tell them I'm sick. Please do what I've asked.'" 447 00:22:20,311 --> 00:22:21,646 And that's the end of it. 448 00:22:22,479 --> 00:22:24,012 During that conversation, 449 00:22:24,081 --> 00:22:25,513 Margie advised me that 450 00:22:25,582 --> 00:22:27,878 the last time Jennifer had been seen 451 00:22:27,947 --> 00:22:30,385 was February 9th of 1987. 452 00:22:30,454 --> 00:22:33,988 She and Ron waited until Friday, February 13th, 453 00:22:34,057 --> 00:22:37,529 to call the police department to report Jennifer missing. 454 00:22:38,529 --> 00:22:39,594 We really don't know 455 00:22:39,663 --> 00:22:41,864 what happened in those three days. 456 00:22:41,933 --> 00:22:44,266 Ron has told us that he hung up flyers 457 00:22:44,335 --> 00:22:46,601 at her school and talked to her friends, 458 00:22:46,670 --> 00:22:49,238 but I have yet to find a friend that has said 459 00:22:49,307 --> 00:22:51,539 that they saw any fliers 460 00:22:51,608 --> 00:22:53,942 or that they talked to him at all. 461 00:22:54,011 --> 00:22:56,711 At one point, Ron said he went up to Pennsylvania 462 00:22:56,780 --> 00:23:00,748 to tell Jennifer's grandmother that she had run away. 463 00:23:00,817 --> 00:23:03,818 At some point, they say they both stayed home. 464 00:23:03,887 --> 00:23:06,688 At other points, they say they both went to work. 465 00:23:06,757 --> 00:23:08,484 When I asked Margie why she did that, 466 00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:12,227 she told me that the note said she needed to go to work, 467 00:23:12,296 --> 00:23:13,562 so that's what she did. 468 00:23:13,631 --> 00:23:15,730 I then asked her about the statement 469 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:18,601 in the note about putting the money they owe Jennifer 470 00:23:18,670 --> 00:23:19,802 into a bank account. 471 00:23:19,871 --> 00:23:21,837 And she couldn't give me a reason 472 00:23:21,906 --> 00:23:23,973 why they went to work like the note said, 473 00:23:24,042 --> 00:23:26,574 but didn't put any money into Jennifer's account, 474 00:23:26,643 --> 00:23:29,377 like the note instructed them to do. 475 00:23:29,446 --> 00:23:31,580 With all the conflicting stories, 476 00:23:31,649 --> 00:23:33,848 our suspicions started to move towards 477 00:23:33,917 --> 00:23:36,852 Ron and Margie Pandos knowing more about this case 478 00:23:36,921 --> 00:23:39,124 than what they were disclosing to us. 479 00:23:43,293 --> 00:23:45,526 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪ 480 00:23:45,595 --> 00:23:51,904 I am Karen Lichtin, and I am Stephen's girlfriend. 481 00:23:53,370 --> 00:23:56,841 S-- You know, life partner. 482 00:23:57,541 --> 00:23:59,508 Whatever you wanna call it. 483 00:23:59,577 --> 00:24:01,410 INTERVIEWER: 484 00:24:01,479 --> 00:24:03,878 Uh, four years, a little over four years. 485 00:24:03,947 --> 00:24:08,951 We met through a mutual friend and went out. And then, 486 00:24:09,020 --> 00:24:11,586 I think maybe a week later went on a second date. 487 00:24:11,655 --> 00:24:16,791 And on that date was sort of when he told me everything. 488 00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:20,295 When you're older and dating, you know, you just-- 489 00:24:20,364 --> 00:24:21,731 You don't play games. You just sort of 490 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,132 lay it all out there on the table. 491 00:24:23,201 --> 00:24:28,603 So we both sort of aired the... the issues in our life. 492 00:24:28,672 --> 00:24:32,942 Stephen's previous marriage was not a great one. 493 00:24:33,011 --> 00:24:35,343 But he had two amazing daughters. 494 00:24:35,412 --> 00:24:39,242 He adores them. There's nothing he wouldn't do for them. 495 00:24:39,311 --> 00:24:41,149 And I'm sure it crosses his mind. 496 00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:44,086 They're around the same age as his sister was 497 00:24:44,155 --> 00:24:45,754 when she disappeared. 498 00:24:45,823 --> 00:24:50,358 He has this horrible thing he's dealing with. 499 00:24:50,427 --> 00:24:51,927 I try and understand it. 500 00:24:51,996 --> 00:24:55,665 I don't know if I can fully explain it 501 00:24:55,734 --> 00:24:57,098 'cause I'm not in that head of his, 502 00:24:57,167 --> 00:25:00,735 which sometimes I wish I was, but I'll say, 503 00:25:00,804 --> 00:25:03,838 "You know, it's not really your responsibility 504 00:25:03,907 --> 00:25:07,947 to solve this case," but he's doing the best he can. 505 00:25:10,747 --> 00:25:13,783 DONNIE NORRELL: I think this is a very solvable case. 506 00:25:13,852 --> 00:25:15,917 I retired from Norfolk Police Department 507 00:25:15,986 --> 00:25:16,885 in 2003. 508 00:25:16,954 --> 00:25:18,586 -I was there 26 years. -Oh, wow. 509 00:25:18,655 --> 00:25:21,089 And I did a little over ten years in homicide. 510 00:25:21,158 --> 00:25:23,125 BRUCE WHITE: And I was in homicide for eight years, 511 00:25:23,194 --> 00:25:25,460 and I've worked a lot of cold cases, and a lot of stuff. 512 00:25:25,529 --> 00:25:26,561 There are a couple of things 513 00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:27,963 -that I have to ask you. -STEPHEN: Sure. 514 00:25:28,032 --> 00:25:29,531 BRUCE: Just to get it on the record here. 515 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,067 -STEPHEN: Yeah. -Did you kill your sister? 516 00:25:31,136 --> 00:25:32,301 No. 517 00:25:32,370 --> 00:25:34,002 Do you know who killed your sister? 518 00:25:34,071 --> 00:25:35,837 STEPHEN: I believe that my father did. 519 00:25:35,906 --> 00:25:38,373 Tell us a little bit about your father. 520 00:25:38,442 --> 00:25:41,643 He suffers from post traumatic stress disorder from Vietnam. 521 00:25:41,712 --> 00:25:44,145 Very, very short-tempered, can be violent. 522 00:25:44,214 --> 00:25:47,516 -BRUCE: Did he ever spank you? -Or worse, yeah. 523 00:25:47,585 --> 00:25:48,784 What do you mean, "Or worse"? 524 00:25:48,853 --> 00:25:51,552 Uh, hit, kick, choked. 525 00:25:51,621 --> 00:25:53,856 BRUCE: What would fire your father up the most? 526 00:25:53,925 --> 00:25:55,657 STEPHEN: In that situation with my sister 527 00:25:55,726 --> 00:25:57,993 probably that night, just being disrespectful. 528 00:25:58,062 --> 00:26:00,396 And if she had smarted off at him, 529 00:26:00,465 --> 00:26:01,930 you know, if he's-- 530 00:26:01,999 --> 00:26:04,567 It's February, you know, and he's an accountant 531 00:26:04,636 --> 00:26:05,867 in tax season, 532 00:26:05,936 --> 00:26:09,604 he'd probably been working 120 hours a week. 533 00:26:09,673 --> 00:26:11,843 Why are you so consumed about this? 534 00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:13,909 STEPHEN: Because it's only right. 535 00:26:13,978 --> 00:26:16,944 And Jennifer, she deserves better. 536 00:26:17,013 --> 00:26:20,315 This is getting to the point where it's gonna come down 537 00:26:20,384 --> 00:26:24,787 -to probably someone talking or admitting to something. -Right. 538 00:26:24,856 --> 00:26:28,190 Would your mom be open to an interview? 539 00:26:28,259 --> 00:26:29,257 I bet she would. 540 00:26:29,326 --> 00:26:32,661 I can tell you this, there are a couple suspects 541 00:26:32,730 --> 00:26:33,996 outside of the family. 542 00:26:34,065 --> 00:26:35,964 -Hmm. -Okay? The boyfriend, 543 00:26:36,033 --> 00:26:39,101 and then there was a guy that she babysitted for, 544 00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:41,364 I think his name was Hendrix or something. 545 00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:44,206 -Yeah. -And that guy had a bad record. 546 00:26:44,275 --> 00:26:47,743 In fact, he got arrested for some abductions 547 00:26:47,812 --> 00:26:50,178 -and some stuff later on. -Right. 548 00:26:50,247 --> 00:26:54,149 The thing that I can't get over is the note. 549 00:26:54,218 --> 00:26:56,318 Who is this mystery man that wrote the letter. 550 00:26:56,387 --> 00:26:59,555 None of her friends know anything about this man 551 00:26:59,624 --> 00:27:01,556 that's "like a daddy to me." 552 00:27:01,625 --> 00:27:04,759 -But nobody knows, not even her best friends know. -STEPHEN: Right. 553 00:27:04,828 --> 00:27:09,565 And then for the handwriting to be disguised. 554 00:27:09,634 --> 00:27:11,233 And the personal information... 555 00:27:11,302 --> 00:27:13,635 Look, you're running away from home, okay? 556 00:27:13,704 --> 00:27:14,970 STEPHEN: Right. And you don't take anything. 557 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:16,437 And you don't take anything. 558 00:27:16,506 --> 00:27:18,873 -Who gives a crap about some money going... -That's right. 559 00:27:18,942 --> 00:27:21,710 ...in your account or cancelling your doctor's appointments? 560 00:27:21,779 --> 00:27:24,245 I mean, if something doesn't smell right 561 00:27:24,314 --> 00:27:25,915 -it's not right. -STEPHEN: Right. That's right. 562 00:27:25,984 --> 00:27:27,516 -You know? -BRUCE: It's gotta make sense. 563 00:27:27,585 --> 00:27:28,951 It's gotta make sense. 564 00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:32,153 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 565 00:27:32,222 --> 00:27:34,522 YOUNG MARGIE: "Dear Mr. and Mrs. Pandos..." 566 00:27:34,591 --> 00:27:37,592 "Your daughter is with me. She's fine. 567 00:27:37,661 --> 00:27:39,261 She's having some problems, though. 568 00:27:39,330 --> 00:27:42,434 She needs some time away from this place." 569 00:27:43,668 --> 00:27:45,667 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC FADES) ♪ 570 00:27:45,736 --> 00:27:47,269 INTERVIEWER: 571 00:27:47,338 --> 00:27:49,308 I've never, physically... 572 00:27:51,276 --> 00:27:52,173 seen... 573 00:27:52,242 --> 00:27:54,609 But it's just weird how, you know, it starts off, 574 00:27:54,678 --> 00:27:58,951 "Mr. and Mrs. Pandos," and then there's quotes. 575 00:28:00,719 --> 00:28:01,717 STEPHEN: If Jennifer wrote it, 576 00:28:01,786 --> 00:28:04,486 why would she dictate this 577 00:28:04,555 --> 00:28:06,422 -to someone else to... -Right. 578 00:28:06,491 --> 00:28:07,722 ...to write it? 579 00:28:07,791 --> 00:28:09,792 But it's also like, the way I see this. 580 00:28:09,861 --> 00:28:11,860 There's like a lot of scratching out. 581 00:28:11,929 --> 00:28:13,496 STEPHEN: Right, you're trying to come up 582 00:28:13,565 --> 00:28:14,796 with a story on the fly. 583 00:28:14,865 --> 00:28:16,632 -Yeah, or you're like-- -At the end of something, 584 00:28:16,701 --> 00:28:18,567 whatever horrible just happened. 585 00:28:18,636 --> 00:28:20,901 And you're trying to piece this together. 586 00:28:20,970 --> 00:28:24,472 The premise that an adult is gonna go into someone's home 587 00:28:24,541 --> 00:28:27,943 in the middle of the night, and help someone run away 588 00:28:28,012 --> 00:28:30,215 in Kingsmill, of all places. 589 00:28:31,215 --> 00:28:32,342 You know? 590 00:28:32,411 --> 00:28:35,354 ♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 591 00:28:36,488 --> 00:28:37,822 It's crazy. 592 00:28:40,624 --> 00:28:44,126 This was the main thing for me. This note. 593 00:28:44,195 --> 00:28:47,757 My name is Kenneth Morris, and I was called in 594 00:28:47,826 --> 00:28:50,399 as a criminal profiler with the Virginia State Police. 595 00:28:50,468 --> 00:28:54,570 Well, as a profiler, what I do is go to a crime scene, 596 00:28:54,639 --> 00:28:56,105 and then tell investigators 597 00:28:56,174 --> 00:28:59,440 what type of personality committed that offense. 598 00:28:59,509 --> 00:29:02,377 With this case here, of course, there was no crime scene. 599 00:29:02,446 --> 00:29:05,381 I looked at the letter that was left in her bedroom. 600 00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:07,349 And by reading that, 601 00:29:07,418 --> 00:29:10,385 I was able to come up with a profile. 602 00:29:10,454 --> 00:29:13,055 There's intimate knowledge contained within that note. 603 00:29:13,124 --> 00:29:15,023 Doctor's appointments, bank accounts, 604 00:29:15,092 --> 00:29:17,860 things that only Jennifer or someone who knows Jennifer, 605 00:29:17,929 --> 00:29:20,523 would be familiar with. It's pretty much, 606 00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:23,265 "I'm leaving with a father figure. 607 00:29:23,334 --> 00:29:26,869 I'll come back, I'll contact you in a few days." 608 00:29:26,938 --> 00:29:29,938 It's written to delay the investigation. 609 00:29:30,007 --> 00:29:31,273 It's not realistic. 610 00:29:31,342 --> 00:29:34,410 It's something you might see in a Nancy Drew 611 00:29:34,479 --> 00:29:36,679 or Murder, She Wrote. 612 00:29:36,748 --> 00:29:39,181 STEPHEN: When I spoke to Ken Morris, 613 00:29:39,250 --> 00:29:42,685 he said that was one of the most ridiculous things 614 00:29:42,754 --> 00:29:44,614 he's ever seen in law enforcement, 615 00:29:44,683 --> 00:29:46,956 and that it was consistent with staging, 616 00:29:47,025 --> 00:29:49,925 which I totally believe. 617 00:29:49,994 --> 00:29:52,255 Yeah, I better put my glasses on. 618 00:29:52,324 --> 00:29:53,228 "The leaving of a note 619 00:29:53,297 --> 00:29:55,564 in a missing person case is unusual. 620 00:29:55,633 --> 00:30:00,135 Typically, its only purpose is to explain the disappearance. 621 00:30:00,204 --> 00:30:02,270 If the absence is by force, 622 00:30:02,339 --> 00:30:05,575 the message will be a demand for some type of ransom 623 00:30:05,644 --> 00:30:06,809 or action needed 624 00:30:06,878 --> 00:30:08,643 for the safe return of the victim." 625 00:30:08,712 --> 00:30:10,712 -♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -"Mr. and Mrs. Pandos, 626 00:30:10,781 --> 00:30:12,782 your daughter is with me, she is fine." 627 00:30:12,851 --> 00:30:14,216 KENNETH MORRIS: "It is my opinion 628 00:30:14,285 --> 00:30:17,286 that Jennifer had nothing to do with the creation of the letter. 629 00:30:17,355 --> 00:30:20,455 It is rare for a teenage girl to run away from home 630 00:30:20,524 --> 00:30:23,328 without previous warnings of her intentions. 631 00:30:24,362 --> 00:30:25,227 Awkward wording, 632 00:30:25,296 --> 00:30:27,829 and the use of quotes highly suggest 633 00:30:27,898 --> 00:30:29,798 Jennifer's contribution was absent 634 00:30:29,867 --> 00:30:31,870 during the formation of the letter. 635 00:30:33,337 --> 00:30:36,271 There's no evidence to the claim of a devoted stranger. 636 00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:38,807 No close friends were aware of this man, 637 00:30:38,876 --> 00:30:40,508 and the writing style suggests 638 00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:44,413 a distant, emotionally-detached, loveless writer. 639 00:30:44,482 --> 00:30:46,381 The inclusion of personal information 640 00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:48,884 in the letter, suggests the writer had 641 00:30:48,953 --> 00:30:51,419 an extremely close relationship to Jennifer. 642 00:30:51,488 --> 00:30:54,657 It can thereby be averred that the letter 643 00:30:54,726 --> 00:30:56,358 is an instrument created 644 00:30:56,427 --> 00:30:59,460 to facilitate a staged crime scene. 645 00:30:59,529 --> 00:31:02,865 Based on this premise, your most plausible offender 646 00:31:02,934 --> 00:31:06,005 would be one or both of the parents." 647 00:31:08,906 --> 00:31:10,872 WENDI: In August of 2007, 648 00:31:10,941 --> 00:31:14,444 we sent the note for handwriting analysis. 649 00:31:14,513 --> 00:31:15,945 Jennifer, Ron, 650 00:31:16,014 --> 00:31:18,747 and another individual were ruled out. 651 00:31:18,816 --> 00:31:21,449 Margie, the mom, was not eliminated 652 00:31:21,518 --> 00:31:24,223 as being the producer of that handwriting. 653 00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:27,156 KAREN LICHTIN: What are your thoughts 654 00:31:27,225 --> 00:31:29,725 on what makes the most sense out of all this? 655 00:31:29,794 --> 00:31:32,597 (HESITATES) I think that my father... 656 00:31:34,098 --> 00:31:35,964 basically threatened my mother. 657 00:31:36,033 --> 00:31:38,137 -And made her write it. -And made her write it. 658 00:31:40,971 --> 00:31:44,339 As an investigator, I just feel that this right here 659 00:31:44,408 --> 00:31:48,343 is the key to the whole case. And that this note 660 00:31:48,412 --> 00:31:53,181 is what's gonna lead to this case being solved. 661 00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:57,986 Even in suicide notes, like, if I was to commit suicide, 662 00:31:58,055 --> 00:32:00,422 and I left a note here, 663 00:32:00,491 --> 00:32:02,758 the police would come in, take the note, 664 00:32:02,827 --> 00:32:04,126 stick it in plastic, 665 00:32:04,195 --> 00:32:07,396 where they could protect any fingerprints. 666 00:32:07,465 --> 00:32:09,565 They would make a copy of the note, 667 00:32:09,634 --> 00:32:11,233 and put a copy in the file, 668 00:32:11,302 --> 00:32:14,303 and the original note would be put in evidence. 669 00:32:14,372 --> 00:32:17,576 ♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 670 00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:21,042 INTERVIEWER: What was going through your mind 671 00:32:21,111 --> 00:32:22,714 when Margie produced that note? 672 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,313 I couldn't believe it. 673 00:32:24,382 --> 00:32:27,415 I didn't think this note existed anymore. 674 00:32:27,484 --> 00:32:29,980 The former investigator that worked this case said, 675 00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:33,488 that the original note was in the original case file 676 00:32:33,557 --> 00:32:36,625 and that he had never given that back to the Pandos family. 677 00:32:36,694 --> 00:32:39,594 There was no logical reason why Margie should have had it. 678 00:32:39,663 --> 00:32:44,136 So when she gave it to me, I was kind of floored by that. 679 00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:47,836 DONNIE: So one of the mysteries of this case is, 680 00:32:47,905 --> 00:32:49,605 the missing case file. 681 00:32:49,674 --> 00:32:51,040 And in 2006, 682 00:32:51,109 --> 00:32:54,142 there were two detectives assigned to the cold case. 683 00:32:54,211 --> 00:32:56,211 And that was investigator Wendi Reed 684 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,914 and Sergeant Jeff Vellines. 685 00:32:58,983 --> 00:33:01,783 So, I guess Jeff contacts Margie, 686 00:33:01,852 --> 00:33:06,454 and Margie has somehow located a set of dental records, 687 00:33:06,523 --> 00:33:08,556 which were supposedly turned over, 688 00:33:08,625 --> 00:33:12,495 according to the dentist, to James City Police. 689 00:33:12,564 --> 00:33:13,561 So that's two items 690 00:33:13,630 --> 00:33:17,499 that were initially in possession of the police. 691 00:33:17,568 --> 00:33:21,170 And I got to believe that Jeff's thinking, 692 00:33:21,239 --> 00:33:23,072 "What the hell's going on? 693 00:33:23,141 --> 00:33:26,842 How the heck is this evidence getting from our files 694 00:33:26,911 --> 00:33:29,344 to the family?" 695 00:33:29,413 --> 00:33:31,213 -Hey, how you doing? -JEFF VELLINES: Hey, how are you? 696 00:33:31,282 --> 00:33:32,648 -Good. Jeff? -Good. 697 00:33:32,717 --> 00:33:33,815 Jeff, Jeff Vellines. 698 00:33:33,884 --> 00:33:35,050 DONNIE: Hi, Jeff. Donnie Norrell. 699 00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:38,186 Nice to meet you, Donnie. Come on in the house. 700 00:33:38,255 --> 00:33:41,885 I understand that you picked this case up as a cold case. 701 00:33:41,954 --> 00:33:44,059 You weren't the original investigator on it, 702 00:33:44,128 --> 00:33:45,393 -right. -Right? 703 00:33:45,462 --> 00:33:49,297 We started in the process of cold case investigations. 704 00:33:49,366 --> 00:33:53,034 At that point, I needed the file and the file was missing. 705 00:33:53,103 --> 00:33:54,503 DONNIE: Hmm. 706 00:33:54,572 --> 00:33:57,305 VELLINES: And that gave me great concern. 707 00:33:57,374 --> 00:34:00,876 There's no question in my mind, the file disappeared 708 00:34:00,945 --> 00:34:02,344 from the police department. 709 00:34:02,413 --> 00:34:05,414 But when Margie produced those X-rays and stuff... 710 00:34:05,483 --> 00:34:07,282 -VELLINES: Right. -...you knew at that point-- 711 00:34:07,351 --> 00:34:09,617 Going in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, 712 00:34:09,686 --> 00:34:12,755 "Okay, this is my probable cause that's kicking in." 713 00:34:12,824 --> 00:34:14,121 Right. Right. 714 00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:16,925 I placed a call to the Commonwealth Attorney's Office of Virginia. 715 00:34:16,994 --> 00:34:18,526 Hmm. Here. 716 00:34:18,595 --> 00:34:20,929 And I said, "I think I've got enough probable cause 717 00:34:20,998 --> 00:34:22,767 to get a search warrant for her house, 718 00:34:23,767 --> 00:34:25,367 because we're getting the dental records, 719 00:34:25,436 --> 00:34:27,472 we're getting this, we're getting that," 720 00:34:28,072 --> 00:34:29,204 and I was denied. 721 00:34:29,273 --> 00:34:31,373 What would you have been looking for? 722 00:34:31,442 --> 00:34:33,108 I'd have been looking for the case file. 723 00:34:33,177 --> 00:34:35,043 DONNIE: Okay. 724 00:34:35,112 --> 00:34:38,580 And you believe she possessed the case file? 725 00:34:38,649 --> 00:34:39,581 I believe she did. 726 00:34:39,650 --> 00:34:42,418 Did you ever find the original file? 727 00:34:42,487 --> 00:34:43,455 No. 728 00:34:44,255 --> 00:34:45,387 -Well, thank you again. -Yes, sir. 729 00:34:45,456 --> 00:34:46,388 -I appreciate it. -Thank you. 730 00:34:46,457 --> 00:34:47,822 -Good meeting you. -You too. 731 00:34:47,891 --> 00:34:50,295 -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -VELLINES: I'll walk you out. 732 00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:55,263 DONNIE: So talking to Sergeant Vellines, 733 00:34:55,332 --> 00:34:57,699 both of us had a little bit of suspicion 734 00:34:57,768 --> 00:35:02,605 that something nefarious may have happened to the file, 735 00:35:02,674 --> 00:35:04,306 and his theory was 736 00:35:04,375 --> 00:35:08,143 that Ron had been golf buddies or friends 737 00:35:08,212 --> 00:35:10,678 with the chief of security at Kingsmill, 738 00:35:10,747 --> 00:35:12,880 and that's where Ron lived at the time. 739 00:35:12,949 --> 00:35:17,052 And the chief of security's wife was actually a secretary 740 00:35:17,121 --> 00:35:19,754 for James City County Police Department. 741 00:35:19,823 --> 00:35:22,257 They thought some arrangements had been made 742 00:35:22,326 --> 00:35:25,360 between the three of them for her to obtain the file 743 00:35:25,429 --> 00:35:26,862 and remove it from the police department, 744 00:35:26,931 --> 00:35:30,733 so Ron could actually see what the police knew, 745 00:35:30,802 --> 00:35:32,771 and what the police had in the file. 746 00:35:41,546 --> 00:35:42,614 DONNIE: Mm-hmm. 747 00:35:44,215 --> 00:35:45,550 DONNIE: Yeah. 748 00:35:47,447 --> 00:35:48,487 Yeah. 749 00:35:58,797 --> 00:35:59,764 Yeah. 750 00:36:00,699 --> 00:36:01,766 Right. 751 00:36:06,437 --> 00:36:09,738 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC FADES) ♪ 752 00:36:09,807 --> 00:36:14,914 INTERVIEWER: 753 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,112 Nothing. 754 00:36:17,181 --> 00:36:20,352 That I could tell from our end, you know? 755 00:36:20,885 --> 00:36:21,954 Uh... 756 00:36:23,855 --> 00:36:29,357 INTERVIEWER: 757 00:36:29,426 --> 00:36:32,695 Well, the speculation is that Ron has it, 758 00:36:32,764 --> 00:36:33,963 or did have it. 759 00:36:34,032 --> 00:36:36,631 And I've never really known him to throw away anything. 760 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:39,501 So he probably still has it somewhere. 761 00:36:39,570 --> 00:36:41,506 I've never come across it here. 762 00:36:42,974 --> 00:36:48,208 INTERVIEWER: 763 00:36:48,708 --> 00:36:51,951 Hmm. No, I don't. 764 00:36:53,585 --> 00:36:54,719 Um... 765 00:36:56,087 --> 00:36:57,756 There's, you know... 766 00:37:01,625 --> 00:37:04,496 the speculation that he killed her. 767 00:37:05,730 --> 00:37:07,462 Uh... 768 00:37:07,531 --> 00:37:10,332 And if he did, I'm assuming that that's why 769 00:37:10,401 --> 00:37:13,638 he wanted it to see if they were, you know... 770 00:37:14,872 --> 00:37:17,376 looking at him as a suspect. 771 00:37:21,078 --> 00:37:24,316 ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 772 00:37:49,406 --> 00:37:50,838 ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC FADES) ♪ 773 00:37:50,907 --> 00:37:52,641 -Hey, Stephen, how are you? -Hey, Wendi. How are you? 774 00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:54,613 -Good to see you. -Good, you too. 775 00:37:55,546 --> 00:37:57,712 I was just asked a couple of weeks ago, 776 00:37:57,781 --> 00:37:59,949 what your biggest professional regret has been, 777 00:38:00,018 --> 00:38:03,351 and it's this case, 'cause it drives me crazy 778 00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:05,387 that we haven't been able to bring it 779 00:38:05,456 --> 00:38:07,188 to any kind of resolution. 780 00:38:07,257 --> 00:38:09,724 My opinion is my father is responsible. 781 00:38:09,793 --> 00:38:13,094 Two, I think my mother knows more than what she says. 782 00:38:13,163 --> 00:38:16,932 I think the evidence definitely points in that direction. 783 00:38:17,001 --> 00:38:19,934 And I think your mom's gonna be the key to it. 784 00:38:20,003 --> 00:38:22,804 I mean, you know, she's gonna be the one who's gonna say what happened. 785 00:38:22,873 --> 00:38:24,506 -She's the weak-- the weakest link. -WENDI: Mm-hmm. 786 00:38:24,575 --> 00:38:27,142 Do you have any objection to me talking to her? 787 00:38:27,211 --> 00:38:28,677 I don't, it's not my case. 788 00:38:28,746 --> 00:38:31,780 Your mom would never contact me. 789 00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:34,950 I can't recall her ever calling me, 790 00:38:35,019 --> 00:38:36,551 or ever emailing me first. 791 00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:38,420 -It was always me reaching out to her. -STEPHEN: Right. 792 00:38:38,489 --> 00:38:41,256 Your dad, on the other hand, was always fishing 793 00:38:41,325 --> 00:38:43,324 for what's going on with the case, 794 00:38:43,393 --> 00:38:46,161 almost as if he was trying to insert himself 795 00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:47,396 in the investigation. 796 00:38:47,465 --> 00:38:49,097 So if you were back on the case now, 797 00:38:49,166 --> 00:38:50,265 what would you do next? 798 00:38:50,334 --> 00:38:54,269 Those woods behind the house, I'd explore a little more. 799 00:38:54,338 --> 00:38:56,271 There's some overheads of the house. 800 00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:57,372 DONNIE: This is water. 801 00:38:57,441 --> 00:38:59,207 STEPHEN: Yeah, this is the mill pond. 802 00:38:59,276 --> 00:39:02,581 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 803 00:39:08,752 --> 00:39:10,522 INTERVIEWER: Where do you think she is? 804 00:39:11,755 --> 00:39:14,893 MARGIE: I don't know. The police asked me that. 805 00:39:16,327 --> 00:39:18,593 And I told them, "In the river, 806 00:39:18,662 --> 00:39:21,558 in the pond or on the railroad track." 807 00:39:21,627 --> 00:39:22,667 And... 808 00:39:25,103 --> 00:39:26,671 I don't know who put her there. 809 00:39:28,905 --> 00:39:31,740 DONNIE: Your mother, she names three places. 810 00:39:31,809 --> 00:39:34,642 She said something about some railroad tracks. 811 00:39:34,711 --> 00:39:39,447 And I think that's another time where she's almost coming out 812 00:39:39,516 --> 00:39:41,550 and saying where they took the body. 813 00:39:41,619 --> 00:39:45,553 Are you okay with the fact that your mother could be 814 00:39:45,622 --> 00:39:47,956 just as involved in this as your father? 815 00:39:48,025 --> 00:39:49,257 No, I'm not okay. 816 00:39:49,326 --> 00:39:50,593 You just-- Do you wanna know the truth? 817 00:39:50,662 --> 00:39:51,659 I wanna know the truth. 818 00:39:51,728 --> 00:39:54,462 And I don't believe that my mother... 819 00:39:54,531 --> 00:39:56,565 I think my mother knows what happened. 820 00:39:56,634 --> 00:39:59,368 And I think my father scared her, 821 00:39:59,437 --> 00:40:02,371 and threatened her to keep this a secret, 822 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,406 and it was a bad decision 823 00:40:04,475 --> 00:40:06,741 that has snowballed into a catastrophe. 824 00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:10,379 So when was the last time you talked to your mother? 825 00:40:10,448 --> 00:40:14,016 Probably at my grandmother's funeral 826 00:40:14,085 --> 00:40:15,050 some years ago. 827 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,252 -DONNIE: And you live... -Twenty minutes from her. 828 00:40:17,321 --> 00:40:18,620 ...20 minutes from her. 829 00:40:18,689 --> 00:40:21,156 Have you had any phone conversation at all? 830 00:40:21,225 --> 00:40:25,597 -Has she seen your kids? -Mm-mm. Not since the funeral. 831 00:40:26,396 --> 00:40:27,799 I just, you know, I-- 832 00:40:28,833 --> 00:40:31,567 If-- I can't go along with this charade. 833 00:40:31,636 --> 00:40:35,435 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 834 00:40:50,488 --> 00:40:51,820 STEPHEN: After my sister disappeared, 835 00:40:51,889 --> 00:40:54,517 I would ask questions from time to time. 836 00:40:54,586 --> 00:40:56,825 I remember asking my mother far more than my father. 837 00:40:56,894 --> 00:40:58,561 Just getting a "We don't have an update" 838 00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:59,862 kind of an answer. 839 00:40:59,931 --> 00:41:03,598 That changed, Christmas Day, 2008. 840 00:41:03,667 --> 00:41:04,967 I walked into my mother's house, 841 00:41:05,036 --> 00:41:07,502 and I knew that she would ask me if I called my father 842 00:41:07,571 --> 00:41:09,570 because we only spoke three times a year, 843 00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:11,406 birthday, Father's Day, Christmas. 844 00:41:11,475 --> 00:41:13,709 My parents were long divorced by then. 845 00:41:13,778 --> 00:41:15,277 And then she said to me, 846 00:41:15,346 --> 00:41:16,611 "I don't mean to ruin your Christmas, 847 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,176 but your father's a convicted felon in jail, 848 00:41:20,245 --> 00:41:21,884 and got remarried two years ago." 849 00:41:21,953 --> 00:41:26,321 Needless to say, I was-- I didn't know any of that. 850 00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:30,192 WENDI: In 2008, Ron Pandos was in jail in Oklahoma. 851 00:41:30,261 --> 00:41:33,829 He had opened six bank accounts for NFL players, 852 00:41:33,898 --> 00:41:36,999 and embezzled over 54,000 dollars. 853 00:41:37,068 --> 00:41:38,166 He had pled guilty, 854 00:41:38,235 --> 00:41:41,970 and then violated his probation by possessing firearms. 855 00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:43,905 STEPHEN: And it wasn't too long after that, 856 00:41:43,974 --> 00:41:46,575 that Wendi Reed came and asked my mother 857 00:41:46,644 --> 00:41:50,611 some questions about Jennifer, and my mother asked me 858 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,544 if I would be there. And I said, "Sure." 859 00:41:54,613 --> 00:41:57,085 And then Wendi asked my mother to take a polygraph, 860 00:41:57,154 --> 00:41:59,589 and that was the first really weird moment 861 00:41:59,658 --> 00:42:00,956 that registered with me. 862 00:42:01,025 --> 00:42:03,559 When Wendi asked, my mother glanced, 863 00:42:03,628 --> 00:42:05,828 to the left as she was thinking 864 00:42:05,897 --> 00:42:08,130 about whatever she was thinking about, 865 00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:09,932 and I answered for her. I was like, "Yeah, 866 00:42:10,001 --> 00:42:11,967 of course she'll take a polygraph." 867 00:42:12,036 --> 00:42:15,207 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(DOGS BARKING) 868 00:42:16,674 --> 00:42:18,707 WENDI: At this stage of the investigation, 869 00:42:18,776 --> 00:42:21,476 we were given permission to bring in cadaver dogs 870 00:42:21,545 --> 00:42:23,745 that could detect human decomposition. 871 00:42:23,814 --> 00:42:26,414 Initially, they went around the outside of the residence, 872 00:42:26,483 --> 00:42:30,252 and showed interest under the house into the crawlspace. 873 00:42:30,321 --> 00:42:31,586 We dug several holes, 874 00:42:31,655 --> 00:42:33,921 we were unable to find any human remains. 875 00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:38,026 According to the K9 handlers, that indicated the possibility 876 00:42:38,095 --> 00:42:42,530 that a body had been there, but not buried there. 877 00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,361 After that, the Secret Service conducted 878 00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:48,364 a polygraph examination on Margie. 879 00:42:48,433 --> 00:42:51,239 I proceeded to take the lie detector, 880 00:42:51,308 --> 00:42:53,145 and fail it miserably. 881 00:42:53,811 --> 00:42:55,314 One-hundred percent... 882 00:42:57,015 --> 00:42:58,146 failure. 883 00:42:58,215 --> 00:43:03,152 Which further convinced him that I was protecting Ron. 884 00:43:03,221 --> 00:43:06,358 I couldn't believe it. How did she fail the polygraph? 885 00:43:07,224 --> 00:43:08,351 I dug into it, 886 00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:10,125 learning that when my parents moved 887 00:43:10,194 --> 00:43:12,060 from Williamsburg, they didn't call 888 00:43:12,129 --> 00:43:14,796 and update contact information with the police department 889 00:43:14,865 --> 00:43:17,060 for like two and a half years. 890 00:43:17,129 --> 00:43:19,001 How do you do that? 891 00:43:19,070 --> 00:43:22,504 After that, I said, "This really could be reality 892 00:43:22,573 --> 00:43:26,678 that my parents are involved in my sister's disappearance." 893 00:43:36,821 --> 00:43:38,253 SUSAN DAVIS: All right. 894 00:43:38,322 --> 00:43:40,522 -MILDRED 'MIMI' ROBERTS: Oh, you got eggs. -SUSAN: Another one. 895 00:43:40,591 --> 00:43:42,657 Oh. Oh, my goodness, yes, I've got eggs. 896 00:43:42,726 --> 00:43:44,092 MILDRED: I didn't know you had a thing 897 00:43:44,161 --> 00:43:47,266 about eggs in your potato salad. Now, where did this come from? 898 00:43:48,198 --> 00:43:50,366 I was 17 years old when it happened. 899 00:43:50,435 --> 00:43:51,494 So all I know 900 00:43:51,563 --> 00:43:53,768 is what I've really been told as an adult, 901 00:43:53,837 --> 00:43:57,372 which was only probably in the last 15 years. 902 00:43:57,441 --> 00:43:59,341 Because it's just something that was not talked about. 903 00:43:59,410 --> 00:44:05,580 I got the call. She'd been gone a month is what I remember. 904 00:44:05,649 --> 00:44:11,856 And very calmly, no hysteria, no panic. 905 00:44:13,891 --> 00:44:16,728 "Jenny's gone. She's missing. Have you seen her?" 906 00:44:20,798 --> 00:44:22,798 (VOICE BREAKING) Not a hysterical mother 907 00:44:22,867 --> 00:44:25,367 out of her mind with worry. 908 00:44:25,436 --> 00:44:28,908 -(CAR ENGINE RUMBLING) -♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 909 00:44:31,742 --> 00:44:34,475 STEPHEN: After my mother failed her polygraph, 910 00:44:34,544 --> 00:44:36,344 I called my mother's sisters, 911 00:44:36,413 --> 00:44:38,813 so I could talk to all of them at the same time 912 00:44:38,882 --> 00:44:41,049 and tell them everything that was going on. 913 00:44:41,118 --> 00:44:43,752 And then my aunts came to Charlotte that weekend, 914 00:44:43,821 --> 00:44:45,287 kind of like a family intervention. 915 00:44:45,356 --> 00:44:49,892 And my mother didn't really have a good story about any of it. 916 00:44:49,961 --> 00:44:52,027 MILDRED: After talking with Margie that night 917 00:44:52,096 --> 00:44:55,864 at her house, and supposedly what went on, 918 00:44:55,933 --> 00:44:57,065 and all she can say is, 919 00:44:57,134 --> 00:45:00,372 "I excused myself from the situation." 920 00:45:04,975 --> 00:45:08,914 And what are we to think? Did she hear what was going on? 921 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,047 The hypothetical fight. 922 00:45:12,116 --> 00:45:13,953 It's like she knew too much. 923 00:45:15,152 --> 00:45:17,752 And then we had Stephen come over the next day, 924 00:45:17,821 --> 00:45:20,155 and that just ended up being-- in a screamfest. 925 00:45:20,224 --> 00:45:22,761 And we really didn't get anywhere. 926 00:45:24,362 --> 00:45:27,496 I knew there was strain on their side of the family. 927 00:45:27,565 --> 00:45:34,169 I did see one incidence in-- It was 1996, Ron struck Margie. 928 00:45:34,238 --> 00:45:36,972 And that was the first time I'd ever seen 929 00:45:37,041 --> 00:45:39,975 any physical violence. 930 00:45:40,044 --> 00:45:42,477 It's just hard to wrap your head around 931 00:45:42,546 --> 00:45:46,347 the level of emotional abuse that Margie has been under 932 00:45:46,416 --> 00:45:49,217 all of these years, that she would defend this man 933 00:45:49,286 --> 00:45:50,452 over her daughter. 934 00:45:50,521 --> 00:45:53,922 That's why I don't understand why she doesn't roll on Ronnie. 935 00:45:53,991 --> 00:45:58,494 You know, if Jenny's gone, why not take him down? 936 00:45:58,563 --> 00:46:01,761 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC FADES) ♪ 937 00:46:02,867 --> 00:46:04,033 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 938 00:46:04,102 --> 00:46:05,434 MELISSA MCMAHAN: So here you are. 939 00:46:05,503 --> 00:46:06,535 Hey, there. 940 00:46:06,604 --> 00:46:07,970 Hey. How are you? 941 00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:10,338 Mm, I'm okay. I'm okay. 942 00:46:10,407 --> 00:46:12,640 SUSAN: Are we ready to eat? Is everybody starved? 943 00:46:12,709 --> 00:46:15,611 STEPHEN: It seems like all-- alls I remember is eating at the little kids table. 944 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:16,812 (ALL CHUCKLE) 945 00:46:16,881 --> 00:46:18,579 MILDRED: The little kids table. 946 00:46:18,648 --> 00:46:20,582 -Can we ask you? -STEPHEN: Mm-hmm. 947 00:46:20,651 --> 00:46:22,684 What-- What do the girls know? 948 00:46:22,753 --> 00:46:26,055 They don't know any of the details at all. 949 00:46:26,124 --> 00:46:28,356 They know about Jennifer, that she's missing. 950 00:46:28,425 --> 00:46:30,826 So they've asked why they don't see Grandmother? 951 00:46:30,895 --> 00:46:32,194 STEPHEN: Yeah. And I've just told them 952 00:46:32,263 --> 00:46:34,896 that I just have a disagreement with my mom. 953 00:46:34,965 --> 00:46:37,560 After, you know, that one time we went to Charlotte 954 00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:38,967 and had the big sit-down with your mom, 955 00:46:39,036 --> 00:46:41,403 I still don't think we've ever all sat down, 956 00:46:41,472 --> 00:46:43,638 and talked about it, any of it, ever again. 957 00:46:43,707 --> 00:46:45,507 That did me in, that day, you know? 958 00:46:45,576 --> 00:46:48,877 That was it for me. I knew right then and there. 959 00:46:48,946 --> 00:46:52,047 Somebody had gone down. Something had happened. 960 00:46:52,116 --> 00:46:55,917 Why can't she go after the guilty one? The one-- 961 00:46:55,986 --> 00:47:00,155 Why can't she go after the abusive husband, father? 962 00:47:00,224 --> 00:47:01,991 MILDRED: That's what we don't understand. 963 00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:03,858 Their relationship's over. 964 00:47:03,927 --> 00:47:08,296 And-- And he's-- my father's been off and remarried twice since then. 965 00:47:08,365 --> 00:47:10,065 I wish she would take the risk, right? 966 00:47:10,134 --> 00:47:11,499 I mean, it's what she has to gain. 967 00:47:11,568 --> 00:47:14,136 -Not what she has to lose. -What does she have to gain? 968 00:47:14,205 --> 00:47:18,073 Peace. You know, the chance of a relationship 969 00:47:18,142 --> 00:47:20,208 with her son and grandchildren? 970 00:47:20,277 --> 00:47:23,045 MILDRED: Have you actually said those words to her? 971 00:47:23,114 --> 00:47:24,814 That she could have... 972 00:47:24,883 --> 00:47:26,148 MELISSA: What if you forgave her? 973 00:47:26,217 --> 00:47:28,016 If that would be the peace, that would... 974 00:47:28,085 --> 00:47:29,719 -There are no magic words. -There's gotta be a-- 975 00:47:29,788 --> 00:47:30,986 There's gotta be a-- There is though. 976 00:47:31,055 --> 00:47:32,722 -No, no. -There's gonna be a ma-- 977 00:47:32,791 --> 00:47:33,822 We don't know what it is. 978 00:47:33,891 --> 00:47:36,057 STEPHEN: There are no magic words. 979 00:47:36,126 --> 00:47:38,193 MILDRED: People take this to their deathbed. 980 00:47:38,262 --> 00:47:41,530 And I hate-- I really would hate that 981 00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,498 that would be our situation, 982 00:47:43,567 --> 00:47:45,570 that she would take this to her deathbed. 983 00:47:46,771 --> 00:47:49,541 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 984 00:47:59,150 --> 00:48:02,087 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 985 00:48:07,291 --> 00:48:10,593 INTERVIEWER: So Stephen, you have been at this 986 00:48:10,662 --> 00:48:12,722 since like 2008. 987 00:48:12,791 --> 00:48:15,968 Do you ever think about just moving on? 988 00:48:17,702 --> 00:48:20,602 I feel like I have just, um, 989 00:48:20,671 --> 00:48:22,237 have more resolve. 990 00:48:22,306 --> 00:48:27,376 Like I want resolution one way or the other. 991 00:48:27,445 --> 00:48:32,451 Even if, you know, if it's... a dead end and nothing... 992 00:48:33,117 --> 00:48:34,984 nothing to follow up on. 993 00:48:35,053 --> 00:48:37,686 Okay. Well, then get to that point. 994 00:48:37,755 --> 00:48:40,923 'Cause I, you know... I haven't given up on Jennifer. 995 00:48:40,992 --> 00:48:43,091 I would never give up on, you know, 996 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,127 heaven forbid something happened to either of my daughters. 997 00:48:45,196 --> 00:48:47,066 I would-- You just don't-- You don't quit. 998 00:48:48,867 --> 00:48:50,535 No matter what, you do not quit. 999 00:48:54,072 --> 00:48:59,007 INTERVIEWER: 1000 00:48:59,076 --> 00:49:02,377 Yeah, I think I've-- For sure I've learned, 1001 00:49:02,446 --> 00:49:04,945 you know, more about Jennifer than... 1002 00:49:06,618 --> 00:49:07,816 than I knew. 1003 00:49:07,885 --> 00:49:10,152 And a lot of affirmations, right, 1004 00:49:10,221 --> 00:49:14,126 I always thought of, you know, Jennifer, as a... 1005 00:49:14,926 --> 00:49:16,358 you know, a fighter. 1006 00:49:16,427 --> 00:49:18,922 She was not gonna back down from anybody, 1007 00:49:18,991 --> 00:49:23,165 even our father and Sharon reaffirmed all that. 1008 00:49:23,234 --> 00:49:27,736 And it makes me sad for what I missed, right? 1009 00:49:27,805 --> 00:49:29,404 How would she have evolved? 1010 00:49:29,473 --> 00:49:33,345 What would have become, you know, of her. 1011 00:49:34,278 --> 00:49:36,415 You know, beyond a 15-year-old. 1012 00:49:37,081 --> 00:49:40,119 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1013 00:49:45,322 --> 00:49:47,426 JENNIFER, ACTOR: "I can't erase the things I've done. 1014 00:49:48,259 --> 00:49:50,262 There is no place left to run. 1015 00:49:51,062 --> 00:49:54,262 Life is hard, but it goes on. 1016 00:49:54,331 --> 00:49:58,266 The times of the past are forever gone. 1017 00:49:58,335 --> 00:50:03,739 I can no longer sit and dwell. I have to leave my lonely shell. 1018 00:50:03,808 --> 00:50:07,176 Go on with my life. Start anew. 1019 00:50:07,245 --> 00:50:10,045 Live my days as if they were my last, 1020 00:50:10,114 --> 00:50:13,218 without looking back and forget the past." 1021 00:50:17,121 --> 00:50:18,654 STEPHEN: Pandos. 1022 00:50:18,723 --> 00:50:20,792 GUARD: 1023 00:50:27,498 --> 00:50:29,631 -STEPHEN: Huh? -CAMERAMAN: I'm just filming him. 1024 00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:30,669 STEPHEN: Just me. 1025 00:50:32,269 --> 00:50:34,239 -Okay, awesome. Thank you. -GUARD: There you are. 1026 00:50:38,509 --> 00:50:41,009 STEPHEN: This is the place that our parents lived 1027 00:50:41,078 --> 00:50:42,177 in Williamsburg. 1028 00:50:42,246 --> 00:50:45,550 I haven't been back here in a long, long time. 1029 00:50:55,988 --> 00:50:58,497 It was this last condo here on the end. 1030 00:51:08,906 --> 00:51:13,174 This is... strange. 1031 00:51:13,243 --> 00:51:15,580 -PAUL Fortin: Hi. -STEPHEN: Hi, there. 1032 00:51:17,447 --> 00:51:19,247 STEPHEN: I used to live here years ago. 1033 00:51:19,316 --> 00:51:20,715 -PAUL: -STEPHEN: Yeah. 1034 00:51:20,784 --> 00:51:23,418 Yeah. My parents rented it from you, probably. 1035 00:51:23,487 --> 00:51:25,153 -PAUL: They may have. -Yeah, Pandos. 1036 00:51:25,222 --> 00:51:26,754 I lived here in the-- 1037 00:51:26,823 --> 00:51:29,794 My parents lived here in the mid to late '80s. 1038 00:51:30,362 --> 00:51:31,293 PAUL: 1039 00:51:31,362 --> 00:51:32,664 STEPHEN: That's right. 1040 00:51:33,831 --> 00:51:35,200 (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) 1041 00:51:40,805 --> 00:51:42,037 STEPHEN: Yeah. 1042 00:51:42,106 --> 00:51:45,808 -PAUL: -Yeah. (CHUCKLES) 1043 00:51:45,877 --> 00:51:47,142 Yeah. No, no, I'm sorry. 1044 00:51:47,211 --> 00:51:48,580 -PAUL: Okay. -Oh. 1045 00:51:49,547 --> 00:51:51,383 It's okay. All right, thank you. 1046 00:51:56,687 --> 00:51:59,258 INTERVIEWER: I'm gonna see if he'll let us come inside the condo. 1047 00:52:02,426 --> 00:52:05,460 STEPHEN: Sort of being in here makes me think about, 1048 00:52:05,529 --> 00:52:07,832 you know, what happened that night. 1049 00:52:09,666 --> 00:52:14,102 I can hear it, you know, as Sharon described my father 1050 00:52:14,171 --> 00:52:17,206 yelling at my sister, "Get off the phone." 1051 00:52:17,275 --> 00:52:18,610 I can see him. 1052 00:52:20,178 --> 00:52:21,480 You know, I can just hear it. 1053 00:52:25,277 --> 00:52:29,854 -(WIND HOWLING FAINTLY) -♪ (EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1054 00:52:45,136 --> 00:52:46,367 -(STEPHEN GRUNTS) -(CAR DOOR OPENING) 1055 00:52:46,436 --> 00:52:48,573 ♪ (EERIE MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1056 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:51,772 -STEPHEN: Hello. -PAUL: Hi. 1057 00:52:51,841 --> 00:52:54,676 -Hi, I'm Stephen Pandos. -PAUL: Stephen Pandos. Yeah. 1058 00:52:54,745 --> 00:52:55,743 Paul Fortin. 1059 00:52:55,812 --> 00:52:57,279 -STEPHEN: Mr. Fortin, nice to meet you. -Yeah. 1060 00:52:57,348 --> 00:52:59,649 -STEPHEN: Uh, thank you for... -Yeah, okay. 1061 00:52:59,718 --> 00:53:02,317 -...letting us in your home. -Okay. 1062 00:53:02,386 --> 00:53:03,551 This is like, the master bedroom 1063 00:53:03,620 --> 00:53:04,919 -over here. -STEPHEN: Correct. Mm-hmm. 1064 00:53:04,988 --> 00:53:06,656 PAUL: And I don't know y-- whether your sister was here. 1065 00:53:06,725 --> 00:53:08,389 Yeah, she-- Her bedroom was here. 1066 00:53:08,458 --> 00:53:10,092 PAUL: That's surprising. Where was the parents'? 1067 00:53:10,161 --> 00:53:11,059 Upstairs. 1068 00:53:11,128 --> 00:53:13,428 So the parents were not in the master bedroom. 1069 00:53:13,497 --> 00:53:15,164 -STEPHEN: That's right. Right. -Okay. Okay. 1070 00:53:15,233 --> 00:53:16,668 Well, then there's the room right there. 1071 00:53:18,802 --> 00:53:21,069 STEPHEN: The story goes that my parents came in. 1072 00:53:21,138 --> 00:53:24,539 Uh, Jennifer's bed was exactly there. 1073 00:53:24,608 --> 00:53:28,747 Um, and there was a cedar chest at the bottom of the bed, 1074 00:53:29,446 --> 00:53:31,107 where they found the note, 1075 00:53:31,176 --> 00:53:33,376 and none of Jennifer's things were missing. 1076 00:53:33,445 --> 00:53:37,389 All of her clothes were here. Everything. Yeah, this is it. 1077 00:53:38,555 --> 00:53:40,622 Yeah, when did the police come back? 1078 00:53:40,691 --> 00:53:43,058 Were you here when they had the cadaver dogs 1079 00:53:43,127 --> 00:53:44,225 and stuff over here? 1080 00:53:44,294 --> 00:53:46,261 Uh, I was unaware 1081 00:53:46,330 --> 00:53:48,729 that this incident ever occurred at all. 1082 00:53:48,798 --> 00:53:51,467 They brought the cadaver dogs in and I said, 1083 00:53:51,536 --> 00:53:53,035 "Geez, after 17 years 1084 00:53:53,104 --> 00:53:54,236 what the hell are they gonna find?" 1085 00:53:54,305 --> 00:53:56,405 -STEPHEN: Right. -They said, "Don't worry. 1086 00:53:56,474 --> 00:53:58,439 They can find ancient bones." You know? 1087 00:53:58,508 --> 00:53:59,742 And they really never got a hit. 1088 00:53:59,811 --> 00:54:01,543 -Yeah. -The only place they got a hit 1089 00:54:01,612 --> 00:54:04,247 was in the living room where I keep candy, in a drawer. 1090 00:54:04,316 --> 00:54:05,647 (BOTH CHUCKLE) 1091 00:54:05,716 --> 00:54:07,349 And they wanted to do the outside 1092 00:54:07,418 --> 00:54:09,551 and underneath the house. 1093 00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:11,652 Yeah, the cadaver dogs that were here, you know, 1094 00:54:11,721 --> 00:54:16,291 underneath the house where they all had positive hits 1095 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,161 in the same place, and you know, this was it. 1096 00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:20,532 Uh... 1097 00:54:21,198 --> 00:54:22,701 It's strange being in here. 1098 00:54:24,234 --> 00:54:26,897 God, the leaves are really falling down 1099 00:54:26,966 --> 00:54:28,236 -like crazy now. -STEPHEN: Yeah. 1100 00:54:28,305 --> 00:54:29,605 Oh, it was windy, yeah. 1101 00:54:29,674 --> 00:54:32,912 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1102 00:54:40,512 --> 00:54:42,817 STEPHEN: My father would've brought Jennifer's body in here 1103 00:54:42,886 --> 00:54:46,021 and the dogs got hits close up to the front of the house. 1104 00:54:46,090 --> 00:54:49,357 Just on the other side of those two sort of columns 1105 00:54:49,426 --> 00:54:51,030 towards the front that way. 1106 00:54:52,129 --> 00:54:54,033 Yeah, this is creepy. 1107 00:54:56,701 --> 00:54:57,836 Um... 1108 00:54:59,603 --> 00:55:02,470 -But yeah, that's... -PAUL: Yeah. 1109 00:55:02,539 --> 00:55:04,072 That's where it would have been. 1110 00:55:04,141 --> 00:55:05,344 Um... 1111 00:55:06,944 --> 00:55:08,876 PAUL: This must be very emotional for you. 1112 00:55:08,945 --> 00:55:11,179 Yeah, I could feel-- When we were coming in here-- 1113 00:55:11,248 --> 00:55:13,949 I mean, I haven't been here since-- since my parents moved away. 1114 00:55:14,018 --> 00:55:16,651 -Yeah. -You know? And as I'm driving in, 1115 00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:19,754 I can feel, you know, my chest getting tight, 1116 00:55:19,823 --> 00:55:22,894 my heart is racing a mile a minute right now. 1117 00:55:43,247 --> 00:55:45,517 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1118 00:55:48,552 --> 00:55:50,818 WENDI: On August 19th of 2009, 1119 00:55:50,887 --> 00:55:54,523 the Secret Service conducted a polygraph on Ronald Pandos 1120 00:55:54,592 --> 00:55:57,326 who was in jail in Oklahoma. 1121 00:55:57,395 --> 00:55:59,360 The polygraph examiner asked him, 1122 00:55:59,429 --> 00:56:02,197 "Did you cause the disappearance of Jennifer?" 1123 00:56:02,266 --> 00:56:03,598 Ronald answered, "No." 1124 00:56:03,667 --> 00:56:05,466 And the polygraph examiner advised 1125 00:56:05,535 --> 00:56:07,703 that he was showing deception. 1126 00:56:07,772 --> 00:56:11,540 Ron began to draw out an overhead 1127 00:56:11,609 --> 00:56:13,542 of the area that they lived in. 1128 00:56:13,611 --> 00:56:16,644 He also put an X in the woods. 1129 00:56:16,713 --> 00:56:19,614 Ron began to say he was sorry for what happened, 1130 00:56:19,683 --> 00:56:22,217 and told the Secret Service agents 1131 00:56:22,286 --> 00:56:23,986 that if they could get a plane, 1132 00:56:24,055 --> 00:56:26,917 he would take them to Jennifer's body. 1133 00:56:26,986 --> 00:56:28,690 And then changed his mind, 1134 00:56:28,759 --> 00:56:30,795 and said he didn't know what happened. 1135 00:56:32,129 --> 00:56:34,063 STEPHEN: Here, these are interviews with my mother. 1136 00:56:34,132 --> 00:56:36,999 I got a call at six o'clock on Wednesday night 1137 00:56:37,068 --> 00:56:39,634 that my father had failed his polygraph. 1138 00:56:39,703 --> 00:56:44,206 At noon, the following day, I had my mother in the car 1139 00:56:44,275 --> 00:56:45,706 and took her to Williamsburg 1140 00:56:45,775 --> 00:56:47,909 to finally talk to the police department 1141 00:56:47,978 --> 00:56:48,877 about all this, 1142 00:56:48,946 --> 00:56:50,679 that there was just too much information, 1143 00:56:50,748 --> 00:56:54,549 and too much was out, that she had to tell the truth. 1144 00:56:54,618 --> 00:56:57,319 WENDI: The following day, Stephen brought Margie 1145 00:56:57,388 --> 00:56:58,519 to be interviewed. 1146 00:56:58,588 --> 00:57:00,889 And I spoke with our commonwealth attorney. 1147 00:57:00,958 --> 00:57:02,891 He was willing to provide immunity 1148 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,962 for Margie on all charges except for homicide. 1149 00:57:07,031 --> 00:57:08,997 STEPHEN: Her telling the truth with immunity 1150 00:57:09,066 --> 00:57:13,135 was an opportunity for her to be in some control 1151 00:57:13,204 --> 00:57:14,503 of the events. 1152 00:57:14,572 --> 00:57:17,372 She knew what it meant. 1153 00:57:17,441 --> 00:57:19,008 WENDI: That day was different. 1154 00:57:19,077 --> 00:57:21,576 Obviously, having great expectations 1155 00:57:21,645 --> 00:57:24,747 because Margie was coming up to tell us 1156 00:57:24,816 --> 00:57:26,446 what happened to Jennifer. 1157 00:57:27,286 --> 00:57:30,552 WENDI: 1158 00:57:30,621 --> 00:57:33,959 ♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1159 00:57:42,332 --> 00:57:45,601 ♪ (INTENSE MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1160 00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:48,908 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1161 00:58:30,314 --> 00:58:32,751 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC FADES) ♪