1 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:17,519 WENDI REED: This is the spiral notebook 2 00:00:17,588 --> 00:00:21,618 that Margie Pandos, uh, turned over to us 3 00:00:21,687 --> 00:00:24,226 when she turned over the note. 4 00:00:24,295 --> 00:00:26,061 The note that was left at the scene 5 00:00:26,130 --> 00:00:27,699 came out of this notebook. 6 00:00:29,466 --> 00:00:32,100 This is a notebook that Jennifer used 7 00:00:32,169 --> 00:00:34,870 to write back and forth with a friend. 8 00:00:34,939 --> 00:00:36,604 So Jennifer would write summin', 9 00:00:36,673 --> 00:00:39,774 when she'd finished, she would give it to her friend, Kerrie, 10 00:00:39,843 --> 00:00:43,811 and then Kerrie would respond. I thought it was pretty typical 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,615 of what a 15-year-old girl would do during high school. 12 00:00:46,684 --> 00:00:47,686 (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 13 00:00:49,020 --> 00:00:51,720 There's a paragraph written that states, 14 00:00:51,789 --> 00:00:53,422 "You may not know this, 15 00:00:53,491 --> 00:00:55,623 but there are great problems among my family." 16 00:00:55,692 --> 00:00:58,026 JENNIFER PANDOS, ACTOR: "There are great problems in my family." 17 00:00:58,095 --> 00:00:59,260 WENDI: "It just doesn't seem that way." 18 00:00:59,329 --> 00:01:01,196 "It just doesn't seem that way. 19 00:01:01,265 --> 00:01:03,798 The tension in my family is so great, 20 00:01:03,867 --> 00:01:07,136 I don't let many people know how I feel deep inside 21 00:01:07,205 --> 00:01:09,308 because I don't care what happens to my family. 22 00:01:10,007 --> 00:01:11,373 We were never a family. 23 00:01:11,442 --> 00:01:13,241 But my parents think they can make us 24 00:01:13,310 --> 00:01:15,075 one big, happy family. 25 00:01:15,947 --> 00:01:17,349 I let them think it's working... 26 00:01:18,282 --> 00:01:20,415 but it isn't, and it never will." 27 00:01:20,484 --> 00:01:22,885 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 28 00:01:22,954 --> 00:01:24,353 WENDI: As we can see, she was having 29 00:01:24,422 --> 00:01:27,021 some type of issue in the household. 30 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:32,494 The last entry in this notebook was made on February 9th, 1987. 31 00:01:32,563 --> 00:01:34,764 And there's nothing in here that would indicate 32 00:01:34,833 --> 00:01:37,065 that she was contemplating 33 00:01:37,134 --> 00:01:39,704 running away or hurting herself in any way. 34 00:01:53,084 --> 00:01:55,446 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 35 00:01:55,515 --> 00:01:57,589 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 36 00:02:03,828 --> 00:02:05,530 WENDI: 37 00:02:12,269 --> 00:02:13,805 MARGIE PANDOS: 38 00:02:44,497 --> 00:02:46,571 MARGIE: 39 00:03:09,994 --> 00:03:12,597 MARGIE: 40 00:03:18,736 --> 00:03:19,905 (DOOR OPENING) 41 00:04:11,388 --> 00:04:13,658 KAREN SHULER: 42 00:04:15,093 --> 00:04:16,761 KAREN: 43 00:04:25,737 --> 00:04:26,705 STEPHEN PANDOS: 44 00:04:33,945 --> 00:04:36,748 KAREN: 45 00:05:30,167 --> 00:05:31,770 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 46 00:05:50,822 --> 00:05:51,856 WENDI: 47 00:06:50,148 --> 00:06:52,651 STEPHEN: 48 00:06:55,986 --> 00:06:58,723 STEPHEN: For me, it was just one of these moments of... 49 00:06:59,756 --> 00:07:03,091 "Is this really happening? Am I really here?" 50 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,628 When the police were trying to get ahold of my mother, 51 00:07:06,697 --> 00:07:09,865 Wendi called my mother seven times 52 00:07:09,934 --> 00:07:11,933 before my mother called her back. 53 00:07:12,002 --> 00:07:16,071 And during that period of time, my mother is emailing my father, 54 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:18,438 asking, "What do they want?" 55 00:07:18,738 --> 00:07:22,581 STEPHEN: 56 00:07:23,448 --> 00:07:24,716 (STEPHEN SCOFFS) 57 00:07:32,752 --> 00:07:34,960 STEPHEN: 58 00:07:38,630 --> 00:07:39,899 (WENDI CHUCKLES) 59 00:07:54,012 --> 00:07:55,547 STEPHEN: 60 00:08:25,676 --> 00:08:27,609 WENDI: That day was stressful. 61 00:08:27,678 --> 00:08:30,479 The letter of immunity was on all crimes 62 00:08:30,548 --> 00:08:31,846 other than homicide. 63 00:08:31,915 --> 00:08:34,649 Margie didn't want the letter, which led me to believe 64 00:08:34,717 --> 00:08:36,886 that Margie was somehow more involved 65 00:08:36,954 --> 00:08:39,891 than what we had thought at that point. 66 00:08:57,208 --> 00:09:01,541 STEPHEN: 67 00:09:24,236 --> 00:09:26,005 MARGIE: 68 00:09:36,180 --> 00:09:37,716 STEPHEN: 69 00:09:39,851 --> 00:09:42,054 (YELLS) 70 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:14,753 -♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(BIRDS CHIRPING) 71 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,355 -Hi there. Come on in. -INTERVIEWER: Hey. 72 00:10:20,424 --> 00:10:22,991 Nice to see you again. 73 00:10:23,060 --> 00:10:25,093 INTERVIEWER: I thought this could be just real informal, 74 00:10:25,162 --> 00:10:27,829 get more background information and stuff, so... 75 00:10:27,898 --> 00:10:29,301 -Okay. -(DOORBELL RINGING) 76 00:10:29,601 --> 00:10:30,802 Hang on. 77 00:10:31,535 --> 00:10:33,072 -How you doing? -MARGIE: Hi. 78 00:10:34,506 --> 00:10:35,604 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 79 00:10:35,673 --> 00:10:37,873 -Have a good one. -Thank you. 80 00:10:37,942 --> 00:10:41,510 Okay. Uh, that was unexpected. 81 00:10:41,579 --> 00:10:43,979 Uh. This is from the National Center 82 00:10:44,048 --> 00:10:46,148 for Missing and Exploited Children. 83 00:10:46,217 --> 00:10:48,687 So it might be the age-progressed... 84 00:10:49,421 --> 00:10:50,689 drawing. 85 00:10:51,790 --> 00:10:53,555 False alarm. 86 00:10:53,624 --> 00:10:55,825 They asked for a photograph of me 87 00:10:55,894 --> 00:10:58,528 from around the time I was 45 or so. 88 00:10:58,597 --> 00:10:59,999 Many long years ago. 89 00:11:01,032 --> 00:11:03,799 -(ENVELOPE RUSTLING) -(TELEPHONE RINGING) 90 00:11:03,868 --> 00:11:06,034 MARGIE: I don't know who that is. 91 00:11:06,103 --> 00:11:08,807 -(CLEARS THROAT) -(TELEPHONE CONTINUES RINGING) 92 00:11:10,035 --> 00:11:11,974 Oh. Hello. 93 00:11:12,043 --> 00:11:14,544 -CALLER: Uh, is this Margie? -It is. 94 00:11:14,613 --> 00:11:15,944 JOHN: Hello, my name is John-- 95 00:11:16,013 --> 00:11:17,680 MARGIE: That telephone ringing with me, 96 00:11:17,749 --> 00:11:19,848 getting up to answer it... (EXHALES) 97 00:11:19,917 --> 00:11:23,386 ...I've always been that way since she left. 98 00:11:23,455 --> 00:11:24,990 You know, I can't... 99 00:11:26,023 --> 00:11:28,928 Unless I can see, you know, who's calling... 100 00:11:29,927 --> 00:11:31,396 I'm answering that phone. 101 00:11:32,663 --> 00:11:35,297 INTERVIEWER: So how did you meet Ron? 102 00:11:35,366 --> 00:11:36,665 MARGIE: I was head cashier 103 00:11:36,734 --> 00:11:39,601 and he was one of the department managers, 104 00:11:39,670 --> 00:11:43,205 and we married and Stephen came along and 105 00:11:43,274 --> 00:11:45,808 you know, it's just a very mundane, 106 00:11:45,877 --> 00:11:47,913 ordinary, nothing... 107 00:11:48,913 --> 00:11:50,912 spectacular life. 108 00:11:50,981 --> 00:11:54,819 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 109 00:11:56,954 --> 00:11:59,721 MARGIE: Stephen was born when he was stationed 110 00:11:59,790 --> 00:12:02,361 at Hunter Army Airfield in Savannah. 111 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,327 And when he was a month old, 112 00:12:05,396 --> 00:12:10,032 I moved down there, and in mid-October 113 00:12:10,101 --> 00:12:12,067 he got called up to go to Vietnam 114 00:12:12,136 --> 00:12:16,041 and left Thanksgiving of '68. 115 00:12:23,014 --> 00:12:26,181 He was the door gunner on a helicopter, 116 00:12:26,250 --> 00:12:31,253 but he never really talked to me about what happened... 117 00:12:31,322 --> 00:12:33,656 what he's-- had seen, what he did. 118 00:12:33,725 --> 00:12:35,223 I really don't know. 119 00:12:35,292 --> 00:12:37,158 I know he came home with a Bronze Star, 120 00:12:37,227 --> 00:12:39,131 but I don't know what that was for. 121 00:12:42,099 --> 00:12:45,400 And when he got back, he got his degree in accounting 122 00:12:45,469 --> 00:12:49,572 and a few years later, Jennifer was born. 123 00:12:49,641 --> 00:12:51,807 She had some problems. 124 00:12:51,876 --> 00:12:55,347 Her hemoglobin was very low, very pale. 125 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,880 But within two months, 126 00:12:57,949 --> 00:13:00,181 her iron was back where it needed to be 127 00:13:00,250 --> 00:13:05,421 and we were happy and healthy, and she was a jolly baby. 128 00:13:05,490 --> 00:13:06,722 Very independent. 129 00:13:06,791 --> 00:13:09,457 She was pulling up with your fingers 130 00:13:09,526 --> 00:13:10,759 when she was eight weeks old, 131 00:13:10,828 --> 00:13:12,894 wanting to stand. I always said that 132 00:13:12,963 --> 00:13:15,130 when she learned how to open the refrigerator, 133 00:13:15,199 --> 00:13:17,169 that was the last she needed of me. 134 00:13:18,235 --> 00:13:22,137 INTERVIEWER: 135 00:13:22,206 --> 00:13:26,407 MARGIE: It was always strained, I think, 136 00:13:26,476 --> 00:13:29,444 because Stephen was an infant when Ron went to Vietnam 137 00:13:29,513 --> 00:13:33,181 and he came home, and he was an 18-month-old toddler, 138 00:13:33,250 --> 00:13:36,050 you know, and he didn't really know him. 139 00:13:36,119 --> 00:13:41,821 He knew me and his grandmother. It was somebody he had to learn. 140 00:13:42,694 --> 00:13:46,261 As he got older and into sports, 141 00:13:46,330 --> 00:13:50,098 Ron was the little league dad on his back, 142 00:13:50,167 --> 00:13:54,803 and he was always that way, on his back about something. 143 00:13:54,872 --> 00:13:58,039 He had a sh-- very short fuse. 144 00:13:58,108 --> 00:14:02,514 Very short fuse. Um, you just... 145 00:14:05,516 --> 00:14:10,018 mm... (HESITATES) ...knew when to stop, 146 00:14:10,087 --> 00:14:12,091 you know, if you were trying to make a point. 147 00:14:12,957 --> 00:14:15,357 If you woke him up, 148 00:14:15,426 --> 00:14:18,359 you did it from a distance because you didn't know 149 00:14:18,428 --> 00:14:21,333 if he was gonna come up swinging or not. 150 00:14:30,274 --> 00:14:33,243 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 151 00:14:33,311 --> 00:14:34,446 (CUP CLATTERING) 152 00:14:36,014 --> 00:14:39,484 So, what I'd like to do is... 153 00:14:41,085 --> 00:14:44,653 um, what we call is a "debrief." 154 00:14:44,722 --> 00:14:50,658 And, uh, the reason we do that is to look at all the facts. 155 00:14:50,727 --> 00:14:54,396 Do we have motives? Do we have people of interest, 156 00:14:54,465 --> 00:14:56,397 people that we need to interview? 157 00:14:56,466 --> 00:14:59,400 And then we try to figure out the best avenue 158 00:14:59,469 --> 00:15:03,238 of following investigations. Does that make sense? 159 00:15:03,307 --> 00:15:10,179 -So... what happened... -♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 160 00:15:10,248 --> 00:15:13,552 -(MARKER SCRATCHING) -DONNIE NORRELL: ...to... 161 00:15:14,918 --> 00:15:16,088 Jennifer? 162 00:15:17,088 --> 00:15:19,021 (CROW CAWING) 163 00:15:19,090 --> 00:15:21,490 DONNIE: So, scenario one, 164 00:15:21,559 --> 00:15:24,192 Jenn left on her own. 165 00:15:24,261 --> 00:15:26,661 If she left on her own from her home 166 00:15:26,730 --> 00:15:30,332 to at least the gate, if she met somebody afterwards, 167 00:15:30,401 --> 00:15:33,072 there was a pretty good distance of a walk. 168 00:15:33,605 --> 00:15:36,371 It was 28 degrees. 169 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,107 Did she take anything? We don't know. 170 00:15:39,176 --> 00:15:41,911 When she normally leaves on a planned visit, 171 00:15:41,980 --> 00:15:43,345 she takes a ton of stuff. 172 00:15:43,414 --> 00:15:45,915 Her girlfriends have verified that. 173 00:15:45,984 --> 00:15:47,950 But the bigger question is 174 00:15:48,019 --> 00:15:51,019 if she wrote the note and she left on her own, 175 00:15:51,088 --> 00:15:54,659 why was it necessary to disguise her writing? 176 00:15:55,521 --> 00:15:56,658 Disguising the writing 177 00:15:56,727 --> 00:16:00,362 would rule this out because it wasn't necessary. 178 00:16:00,431 --> 00:16:03,031 If she was leaving on her own free will, 179 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:06,367 why not write the note in her own writing? 180 00:16:06,436 --> 00:16:12,002 You always have to consider this, suicidal ideation. 181 00:16:12,071 --> 00:16:15,510 She left on her own and she was gonna take her life, 182 00:16:15,579 --> 00:16:18,980 maybe jump off a bridge, jump into water. 183 00:16:19,049 --> 00:16:21,349 But that scenario doesn't fit 184 00:16:21,418 --> 00:16:23,422 because she had no history of it. 185 00:16:24,188 --> 00:16:25,988 So, scenario two 186 00:16:26,057 --> 00:16:29,592 is Jenn calls somebody to pick her up. 187 00:16:29,661 --> 00:16:32,022 Who would come and get her? 188 00:16:32,091 --> 00:16:38,266 Tony, the ex-boyfriend, the unknown father figure? 189 00:16:38,335 --> 00:16:42,438 There is one slight possibility of Hendrix. 190 00:16:42,507 --> 00:16:43,906 This is a person 191 00:16:43,975 --> 00:16:46,541 that she babysitted for in the past. 192 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:50,813 And could this possibly be the same person? 193 00:16:50,882 --> 00:16:52,081 I don't know. 194 00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:55,851 Then again, why disguise handwriting? 195 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,086 Why was that necessary? 196 00:16:58,155 --> 00:17:01,223 I believe that this is the less likely 197 00:17:01,292 --> 00:17:03,491 of all the scenarios that could have happened 198 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,294 because you have to get past the gate, 199 00:17:06,363 --> 00:17:09,264 you have to know where the residence is, 200 00:17:09,333 --> 00:17:11,499 you have to enter the residence 201 00:17:11,568 --> 00:17:14,403 and participate in writing a note 202 00:17:14,472 --> 00:17:17,239 knowing that her parents are upstairs. 203 00:17:17,308 --> 00:17:18,841 It doesn't make sense 204 00:17:18,910 --> 00:17:21,546 if nothing nefarious was going on. 205 00:17:24,315 --> 00:17:29,417 In the last scenario, something happens in the house. 206 00:17:29,486 --> 00:17:31,790 There's only three people in the house... 207 00:17:32,290 --> 00:17:35,494 Mom, Dad, Jenn. 208 00:17:36,527 --> 00:17:39,428 In this scenario, there's explanations 209 00:17:39,497 --> 00:17:42,164 why the handwriting is disguised. 210 00:17:42,233 --> 00:17:44,961 "I'll never come back if you notify the police," 211 00:17:45,030 --> 00:17:47,836 so there's a time delay for the parents. 212 00:17:47,905 --> 00:17:49,337 Certain details, 213 00:17:49,406 --> 00:17:52,836 the money in the bank, the doctor's appointments. 214 00:17:52,905 --> 00:17:54,176 I need to cancel her doctor's appointment 215 00:17:54,245 --> 00:17:55,476 on Friday. (INHALES DEEPLY) 216 00:17:55,545 --> 00:17:59,047 Mom makes the appointments, and a 15-year-old kid 217 00:17:59,116 --> 00:18:01,549 just goes whenever Mom says, 218 00:18:01,618 --> 00:18:05,020 "Remember, we got a doctor's appointment Friday." 219 00:18:05,089 --> 00:18:08,323 The parents’ behavior was bizarre. 220 00:18:08,392 --> 00:18:11,360 Most parents, if their kid was gone in the morning 221 00:18:11,429 --> 00:18:13,294 and there was a crazy note like that, 222 00:18:13,363 --> 00:18:15,998 the first thing they'd have done is call 911. 223 00:18:16,067 --> 00:18:17,165 (COIN RATTLING) 224 00:18:17,234 --> 00:18:19,068 DONNIE: Sharon is the last person 225 00:18:19,137 --> 00:18:20,668 that calls Jennifer and talks to her 226 00:18:20,737 --> 00:18:23,138 the night before her disappearance, 227 00:18:23,207 --> 00:18:26,474 calls from school on two occasions. 228 00:18:26,543 --> 00:18:28,613 Hi, Mrs. Pandos. Is Jenn there? 229 00:18:31,182 --> 00:18:33,048 She's sick? 230 00:18:33,117 --> 00:18:35,287 Oh, well can you tell her that I called? 231 00:18:36,888 --> 00:18:38,653 DONNIE: The first occasion, 232 00:18:38,722 --> 00:18:41,490 the mother says that Jenn's sick. 233 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:44,688 Is she still sick? You said she was sick. 234 00:18:44,757 --> 00:18:45,961 DONNIE: And on the second, 235 00:18:46,030 --> 00:18:47,328 -she's off with her father. -Oh. 236 00:18:47,397 --> 00:18:49,231 Well, can you tell her to call me 237 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:50,431 when she gets home, please? 238 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:52,801 DONNIE: She's lying to school kids 239 00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:54,069 about her daughter, 240 00:18:54,138 --> 00:18:56,641 when she knows her daughter is missing. 241 00:18:57,141 --> 00:18:58,440 And then, again, 242 00:18:58,509 --> 00:19:01,910 none of her friends ever hear from her. 243 00:19:01,979 --> 00:19:04,513 I still stick to this scenario 244 00:19:04,582 --> 00:19:06,647 as the one that I would pursue. 245 00:19:06,716 --> 00:19:09,784 I'm thinking she had some type of accidental death. 246 00:19:09,853 --> 00:19:13,956 The parents’ behavior is way too crazy to believe, 247 00:19:14,025 --> 00:19:17,053 and then the polygraphs, the handwriting, 248 00:19:17,122 --> 00:19:20,328 the father's history of potential violence, 249 00:19:20,397 --> 00:19:22,297 post-traumatic stress syndrome. 250 00:19:22,366 --> 00:19:25,600 It's tax time. He's stressed, he's working hard. 251 00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:28,536 She's got a crappy teenage attitude 252 00:19:28,605 --> 00:19:30,406 in calling him by his first name. 253 00:19:30,475 --> 00:19:31,706 Okay, okay, all right. 254 00:19:31,775 --> 00:19:33,508 All right, I'll get off the goddamn phone, Ronald, okay? 255 00:19:33,577 --> 00:19:35,477 Sharon, I'll talk to you tomorrow. 256 00:19:35,546 --> 00:19:37,612 "Didn't I tell you to get off that phone? 257 00:19:37,681 --> 00:19:40,282 -It's a school night." -I'm off the phone, Ronald. 258 00:19:40,351 --> 00:19:41,616 "Whatever, Ronald." 259 00:19:41,685 --> 00:19:43,822 (GRUNTS) I can't wait to just get away from you. 260 00:19:45,457 --> 00:19:46,321 (GASPS) 261 00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:48,627 And it could have been as simple as-- 262 00:19:49,594 --> 00:19:50,829 (JENNIFER THUDS) 263 00:19:53,998 --> 00:19:55,130 DONNIE: And you fall back 264 00:19:55,199 --> 00:19:57,132 and hit your head on the bedpost... 265 00:19:57,201 --> 00:19:58,799 Baby. Baby, wake up. 266 00:19:58,868 --> 00:20:00,703 DONNIE: ...fracture your skull and you're dead. 267 00:20:00,772 --> 00:20:02,204 Wake up. Baby, wake up. 268 00:20:02,273 --> 00:20:04,639 Wake up, baby. (PANTS) Baby, wake up. 269 00:20:04,708 --> 00:20:08,310 Those are things that only two people know 270 00:20:08,379 --> 00:20:11,547 and that's the mother and the father. 271 00:20:11,616 --> 00:20:15,254 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 272 00:20:18,322 --> 00:20:20,055 STEPHEN: So where do you think she is? 273 00:20:20,124 --> 00:20:22,252 Where do I think she is? I have no idea. 274 00:20:22,321 --> 00:20:24,693 STEPHEN: No, we gotta-- you gotta think she's someplace. 275 00:20:24,762 --> 00:20:26,594 -What do you think-- if-- -If Ron were-- 276 00:20:26,663 --> 00:20:29,365 Hypothetically, if Ron were to accidently kill her, 277 00:20:29,434 --> 00:20:30,827 where would he put her? 278 00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:34,339 I think he took her somewhere 279 00:20:35,106 --> 00:20:37,072 on one of his nightly excursions 280 00:20:37,141 --> 00:20:39,241 or when he went to Pennsylvania. 281 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:46,285 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 282 00:20:48,719 --> 00:20:52,024 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -(COFFEE POURING) 283 00:20:54,925 --> 00:20:56,891 (CROCKERY CLATTERING) 284 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,661 STEPHEN'S DAUGHTER: I'll call you about my car later. 285 00:20:59,730 --> 00:21:00,832 Okay. Yeah. 286 00:21:02,066 --> 00:21:03,568 STEPHEN'S DAUGHTER: Bye, Dad. 287 00:21:06,170 --> 00:21:10,809 (CLOCK TICKING) 288 00:21:12,344 --> 00:21:13,675 (DOOR CLOSING) 289 00:21:13,744 --> 00:21:16,581 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(KEYS RATTLING) 290 00:21:17,314 --> 00:21:19,985 (CAR BEEPING) 291 00:21:24,221 --> 00:21:25,890 (CAR ENGINE REVVING) 292 00:21:26,719 --> 00:21:31,630 (RAIN PATTERING) 293 00:21:33,598 --> 00:21:36,665 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 294 00:21:36,734 --> 00:21:41,907 MARGIE: 295 00:21:49,980 --> 00:21:55,955 -WENDI: -MARGIE: 296 00:22:07,632 --> 00:22:08,763 STEPHEN: In the three days 297 00:22:08,832 --> 00:22:11,294 between the time that my sister disappeared 298 00:22:11,363 --> 00:22:14,402 and the time that my parents called the police, 299 00:22:14,471 --> 00:22:16,404 and my father telling the police department 300 00:22:16,473 --> 00:22:18,640 that he went to Pennsylvania 301 00:22:18,709 --> 00:22:21,413 to tell his mother about Jennifer... 302 00:22:22,179 --> 00:22:23,415 That never happened. 303 00:22:31,688 --> 00:22:33,722 INTERVIEWER: So... can you tell me 304 00:22:33,791 --> 00:22:36,861 -your relationship to Stephen? -Cousin. 305 00:22:38,829 --> 00:22:41,296 JENNIFER BROADT: Once a year in the summer, 306 00:22:41,365 --> 00:22:42,865 Jennifer and Stephen would come in-- 307 00:22:42,934 --> 00:22:45,300 more so Jennifer for about two weeks, 308 00:22:45,369 --> 00:22:48,804 and I would spend time with her. When Jenny and I were little, 309 00:22:48,873 --> 00:22:51,874 I remember her and Ron would be very playful, 310 00:22:51,943 --> 00:22:53,441 wrestling and-- 311 00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:55,338 And it would get rough sometimes. 312 00:22:55,407 --> 00:22:57,645 And sometimes he did hurt her, not intentionally, 313 00:22:57,714 --> 00:23:00,483 but, you know, Jenny would cry in the corner. 314 00:23:00,552 --> 00:23:01,916 It was that kind of thing. 315 00:23:01,985 --> 00:23:04,623 My aunt would always be yelling, "Knock it off, knock it off." 316 00:23:05,423 --> 00:23:06,854 So they were playful and loving, 317 00:23:06,923 --> 00:23:09,024 but then on the other hand, she was terrified of him. 318 00:23:09,093 --> 00:23:09,991 I could see it. 319 00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:11,726 But when I was a kid, I just thought it was 320 00:23:11,795 --> 00:23:14,397 because you're afraid to get in trouble by your parents. 321 00:23:14,466 --> 00:23:15,696 I don't know, though. 322 00:23:15,765 --> 00:23:20,402 It's-- It's just hard to believe all of it really. 323 00:23:20,471 --> 00:23:23,508 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 324 00:23:25,742 --> 00:23:27,409 -STEPHEN: Hey, Uncle Bob. -BOB RITZ: Hey, Stephen. 325 00:23:27,478 --> 00:23:28,443 -How are you? -(BOTH CHUCKLE) 326 00:23:28,512 --> 00:23:29,711 -STEPHEN: Give me a hug. -(BOB GROANS) 327 00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:31,347 -How are you? -Good, Jenn. How are you? 328 00:23:31,416 --> 00:23:32,308 Good. 329 00:23:32,377 --> 00:23:33,749 -I have something for you. -(PAPER RUSTLING) 330 00:23:33,818 --> 00:23:35,984 -STEPHEN: What's that? -(CLEARS THROAT) 331 00:23:36,053 --> 00:23:38,453 STEPHEN: (INHALES DEEPLY) Oh, my God. 332 00:23:38,522 --> 00:23:40,455 -I was a fat baby. -(BOB LAUGHS) 333 00:23:40,524 --> 00:23:42,558 DONNA BROADT: (LAUGHS) Weren't you. 334 00:23:42,627 --> 00:23:43,692 STEPHEN: Oh, so when's that? 335 00:23:43,761 --> 00:23:44,993 DONNA: That was when he graduated from... 336 00:23:45,062 --> 00:23:46,694 -STEPHEN: High school? -DONNA: ...high school. 337 00:23:46,763 --> 00:23:48,830 And then the other one is his grandmother, my aunt. 338 00:23:48,899 --> 00:23:51,033 -STEPHEN: That's my grandma. -(DONNA CHATTING INDISTINCTLY) 339 00:23:51,102 --> 00:23:52,034 STEPHEN: What did-- 340 00:23:52,103 --> 00:23:54,069 What did my parents tell Nan all these years? 341 00:23:54,138 --> 00:23:55,070 You know? 342 00:23:55,139 --> 00:23:56,471 BOB: Well, it's a mystery to us. 343 00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:58,941 But we didn't find out until-- we assume 344 00:23:59,010 --> 00:24:01,643 -it was 1997 or '98 probably. -Yeah. 345 00:24:01,712 --> 00:24:03,373 -BOB: Right? -DONNA: One time I remember 346 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,380 when they came up to visit in the summertime, 347 00:24:05,449 --> 00:24:09,384 they said that Jenny was invited to go to the shore with friends 348 00:24:09,453 --> 00:24:13,822 and that's why she wasn't there. And then when you got married, 349 00:24:13,891 --> 00:24:16,591 your nan told us that Jenny was living with somebody 350 00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:18,961 who forbid her to come to the wedding. 351 00:24:19,030 --> 00:24:20,529 So we had no reason-- 352 00:24:20,598 --> 00:24:21,896 BROADT: That's not what I heard. 353 00:24:21,965 --> 00:24:26,229 -DONNA: What did you hear? -I heard that your dad had said 354 00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:29,004 she had a trip planned with friends. 355 00:24:29,073 --> 00:24:30,605 That's why she wasn't at your wedding. 356 00:24:30,674 --> 00:24:31,840 But I thought, "Why wouldn't you be 357 00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:33,374 at your own brother's wedding?" 358 00:24:33,443 --> 00:24:34,677 DONNA: Yeah, I heard you say that 359 00:24:34,746 --> 00:24:36,145 but Aunt Kitty told me... 360 00:24:36,214 --> 00:24:38,246 -BOB: Different story. -DONNA: ...a different story. 361 00:24:38,315 --> 00:24:41,116 BOB: I think the most perplexing thing-- if indeed 362 00:24:41,185 --> 00:24:43,484 -Jenn was missing, right... -STEPHEN: Mm-hmm. 363 00:24:43,553 --> 00:24:45,587 -...the day she was missing... -STEPHEN: Yeah. 364 00:24:45,656 --> 00:24:48,123 BOB:...why wouldn't someone try to get in touch 365 00:24:48,192 --> 00:24:50,793 with one of us to see if Jenn ever called us 366 00:24:50,862 --> 00:24:52,727 -or talk-- talked to us? -STEPHEN: Yeah. 367 00:24:52,796 --> 00:24:55,030 That's, I guess, the-- what bothers me the most. 368 00:24:55,099 --> 00:24:59,935 When your grandmother got sick, I remember saying to him, 369 00:25:00,004 --> 00:25:02,774 "Ron, you need to tell your mother about Jenny." 370 00:25:04,442 --> 00:25:06,841 And later I ask him, 371 00:25:06,910 --> 00:25:09,845 "Did you tell your mother?" And he said, "Yes." 372 00:25:09,914 --> 00:25:12,647 And I said, "What did she say?" 373 00:25:12,716 --> 00:25:14,853 And he said, "She asked me what I did to her." 374 00:25:16,087 --> 00:25:18,086 It's obvious from this letter he sent me 375 00:25:18,155 --> 00:25:21,023 when he got out of prison that, yeah, there is some things 376 00:25:21,092 --> 00:25:23,825 that he carries with him from Vietnam. 377 00:25:23,894 --> 00:25:27,730 "To this day, I remember vividly my first confirmed kill. 378 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:29,765 To this day, I see the lady's face 379 00:25:29,834 --> 00:25:32,233 and I constantly ask if she had a family 380 00:25:32,302 --> 00:25:33,569 and did she have any children? 381 00:25:33,638 --> 00:25:35,703 I still have flashbacks. 382 00:25:35,772 --> 00:25:38,741 My granddaughter was born on August 12th, 1999 383 00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:40,308 and I haven't seen her yet. 384 00:25:40,377 --> 00:25:41,676 Not because I don't want to, 385 00:25:41,745 --> 00:25:43,645 but because I'm too ashamed to see my son. 386 00:25:43,714 --> 00:25:46,051 I feel that I failed my son and my daughter." 387 00:25:48,653 --> 00:25:49,955 It's just sad. 388 00:25:55,694 --> 00:25:57,260 INTERVIEWER: 389 00:25:57,329 --> 00:25:59,294 (STEPHEN SIGHS) 390 00:25:59,363 --> 00:26:00,495 I don't know how to say this, 391 00:26:00,564 --> 00:26:02,564 so I'm just gonna sort of spit it out 392 00:26:02,633 --> 00:26:04,904 and it's gonna be really inarticulate. 393 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:10,738 (SIGHS) This whole experience... 394 00:26:10,807 --> 00:26:15,878 and maybe o-- one of the reasons that I fight... (INHALES) 395 00:26:15,947 --> 00:26:20,015 ...you know, so hard for Jennifer, 396 00:26:20,084 --> 00:26:25,588 is that it's what a family I think is supposed to be. 397 00:26:25,657 --> 00:26:27,026 If that makes any sense? 398 00:26:28,327 --> 00:26:29,761 Um... 399 00:26:31,796 --> 00:26:35,230 And that ideal, you know. Um... 400 00:26:35,299 --> 00:26:40,305 I guess because I never had it and it's what I... 401 00:26:41,672 --> 00:26:44,273 probably want more than anything. 402 00:26:44,342 --> 00:26:49,144 That sense of belonging that, you know, that I don't have 403 00:26:49,213 --> 00:26:51,746 because I really don't have a family... 404 00:26:51,815 --> 00:26:54,286 -(CAR HORN HONKS) -...an immediate family. Um... 405 00:27:00,024 --> 00:27:02,694 (INHALES) Uh... 406 00:27:14,005 --> 00:27:15,374 Does that make any sense? 407 00:27:17,108 --> 00:27:18,077 INTERVIEWER: Yeah. 408 00:27:22,346 --> 00:27:26,251 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 409 00:27:32,622 --> 00:27:35,227 -Hello? -INTERVIEWER: Hello. Come in. 410 00:27:36,461 --> 00:27:39,060 This box is... 411 00:27:39,129 --> 00:27:44,466 the evidence that I collected against Ron Pandos. 412 00:27:44,535 --> 00:27:48,173 It includes everything I had on him. 413 00:27:49,373 --> 00:27:53,374 -INTERVIEWER: You okay? -No. (CHUCKLES) No, I'm not. 414 00:27:53,443 --> 00:27:55,010 (SNIFFLES) It's very difficult 415 00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:58,783 because no one's wanted to hear my story. No one. 416 00:27:59,851 --> 00:28:02,684 And I begged people, I begged them... 417 00:28:02,753 --> 00:28:04,856 (SNIFFLES) ...to hear my story. 418 00:28:05,855 --> 00:28:07,823 INTERVIEWER: Where would you like to start? 419 00:28:07,892 --> 00:28:09,894 You want to start with just meeting Ron? 420 00:28:11,395 --> 00:28:13,933 Well, I met him in... 421 00:28:15,566 --> 00:28:20,703 2005 through an internet dating site. 422 00:28:20,772 --> 00:28:22,037 I just really, like, 423 00:28:22,106 --> 00:28:24,673 fell head over heels in love with him... 424 00:28:24,742 --> 00:28:25,874 (INHALES) 425 00:28:25,943 --> 00:28:29,211 ...becau-- And he seemed to be in love with me. 426 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,913 You know, he'd tell me he was a veteran 427 00:28:31,982 --> 00:28:35,951 and that his daughter was like an endangered runaway. 428 00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:39,688 And then he showed up one day at my house 429 00:28:39,757 --> 00:28:41,222 and he said, "I brought something 430 00:28:41,291 --> 00:28:44,159 for you to read." And I said, "What is it?" 431 00:28:44,228 --> 00:28:45,794 And he handed me a piece of paper, 432 00:28:45,863 --> 00:28:48,530 it was in a, uh, plastic holder. 433 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:50,866 And he said, "This is the ransom note 434 00:28:50,935 --> 00:28:52,871 they left when someone... 435 00:28:53,771 --> 00:28:55,270 kidnapped my daughter." 436 00:28:55,339 --> 00:28:58,343 And the ransom note was written in... 437 00:28:59,577 --> 00:29:01,380 like a black Marks-A-Lot, 438 00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:05,180 in letters probably that big. 439 00:29:05,249 --> 00:29:07,953 And I don't remember now what it said, 440 00:29:08,653 --> 00:29:12,087 but it struck me as very odd. 441 00:29:12,156 --> 00:29:14,822 And I said-- I said, "Is that the original ransom?" 442 00:29:14,891 --> 00:29:16,825 He goes, "Yes, it is." I said, "Why do you have it? 443 00:29:16,894 --> 00:29:18,760 How come the police department didn't have it?" 444 00:29:18,829 --> 00:29:21,033 He said, "Well, they didn't seem to be interested." 445 00:29:22,434 --> 00:29:23,731 And then, 446 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,803 I went and read an article about Jennifer. 447 00:29:27,872 --> 00:29:30,272 It had the ransom note that was left 448 00:29:30,341 --> 00:29:34,176 the night she disappeared. The note he showed me 449 00:29:34,245 --> 00:29:37,078 is totally different than the other note. 450 00:29:37,147 --> 00:29:38,847 Plus, when I read that other note, 451 00:29:38,916 --> 00:29:41,083 I said, "Well, I can tell you who wrote it. 452 00:29:41,152 --> 00:29:44,119 He wrote it, because that's the way he writes." 453 00:29:44,188 --> 00:29:45,888 Like starting out in first person 454 00:29:45,957 --> 00:29:47,957 and then going into, like, third person. 455 00:29:48,026 --> 00:29:50,895 He does that as a matter of course. 456 00:29:52,296 --> 00:29:56,766 DONNIE: So Ron marries Ruth Ann in 2007. 457 00:29:56,835 --> 00:29:59,468 He pleads guilty to the fraud charge 458 00:29:59,537 --> 00:30:02,070 in South Carolina, 2008. 459 00:30:02,139 --> 00:30:05,808 Shortly after that, Ruth Ann turns him in 460 00:30:05,877 --> 00:30:07,342 on possession of a firearm, 461 00:30:07,411 --> 00:30:10,078 says something's going bad with their marriage. 462 00:30:10,147 --> 00:30:12,981 He is sentenced to three years. 463 00:30:13,050 --> 00:30:15,050 During that time, a protective order 464 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:19,788 is issued on behalf of Ruth Ann. He's released on the 23rd, 465 00:30:19,857 --> 00:30:22,691 and on March 25th, 466 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,096 he is accused of stalking her and going by her residence. 467 00:30:27,165 --> 00:30:28,697 RUTH ANN PHILLIPS: And they all wondered, 468 00:30:28,766 --> 00:30:30,065 "Why doesn't she divorce him? 469 00:30:30,134 --> 00:30:31,666 Why does she stay married to him?" 470 00:30:31,735 --> 00:30:36,304 I did it because, as his wife, I was able to give evidence 471 00:30:36,373 --> 00:30:39,774 to Wendi Reed, the FBI, and whoever needed it. 472 00:30:39,843 --> 00:30:42,945 WENDI: I spoke with Ruth Ann about her relationship with Ron. 473 00:30:43,014 --> 00:30:45,180 She told me Ron was a habitual liar 474 00:30:45,249 --> 00:30:48,350 and that she had come to believe that Ron had killed Jennifer. 475 00:30:48,419 --> 00:30:51,887 It was horrifying. It was horrifying. 476 00:30:51,956 --> 00:30:53,756 You know, think about that daughter. 477 00:30:53,825 --> 00:30:54,789 (INHALES) And... 478 00:30:54,858 --> 00:30:57,693 Okay, Ron had always told me that her boyfriend-- 479 00:30:57,762 --> 00:30:59,462 he was trying to get her boyfriend, 480 00:30:59,531 --> 00:31:00,823 like, indicted. 481 00:31:00,892 --> 00:31:03,999 That guy is innocent. Ron's trying to blame him. 482 00:31:04,068 --> 00:31:07,639 I hope that man's not having to live in fear of this. 483 00:31:08,773 --> 00:31:11,871 JEFF VELLINES: 484 00:31:39,771 --> 00:31:41,737 (RUSTLING) 485 00:31:41,806 --> 00:31:44,309 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 486 00:31:50,514 --> 00:31:52,214 -INTERVIEWER: I just-- -Be-- Before you start... 487 00:31:52,283 --> 00:31:54,182 -INTERVIEWER: Yeah. -...just so you know, 488 00:31:54,251 --> 00:31:57,019 because-- And I tell this to everybody that talks to me, 489 00:31:57,088 --> 00:32:00,189 is I don't BS, 490 00:32:00,258 --> 00:32:03,491 and I'll tell it to you just like I have it. (EXHALES) 491 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,496 So, if you can't deal with that, that's your problem. 492 00:32:07,565 --> 00:32:08,831 (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 493 00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,432 INTERVIEWER: Well, I'm all right with that. 494 00:32:10,501 --> 00:32:13,435 Okay. I just-- Just so you know. (CHUCKLES) 495 00:32:13,504 --> 00:32:16,572 INTERVIEWER: So walk me through the night before. 496 00:32:16,641 --> 00:32:18,107 What-- What do you remember? 497 00:32:18,176 --> 00:32:21,572 -About the night before? -INTERVIEWER: Yeah. And like... 498 00:32:21,641 --> 00:32:24,980 (EXHALES DEEPLY) I do remember... 499 00:32:25,049 --> 00:32:27,416 Jenny was in her room. Well, I was working. 500 00:32:27,485 --> 00:32:29,621 I worked late that night, I remember that. 501 00:32:30,422 --> 00:32:32,154 Uh... 502 00:32:32,223 --> 00:32:36,491 Jenny was doing homework when I came home. 503 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,597 She was in her room doing her homework. 504 00:32:39,596 --> 00:32:43,565 And, uh, we just basically all went to bed. 505 00:32:43,634 --> 00:32:47,368 'Cause we watched-- Yeah, we just went to bed. 506 00:32:47,437 --> 00:32:53,112 And then the next morning, my wife at the time got up... 507 00:32:54,145 --> 00:32:56,677 and went to open her door and it was locked. 508 00:32:56,746 --> 00:33:00,719 We were going, "What the hell"-- Sorry, "What's going on?" 509 00:33:02,754 --> 00:33:04,519 Got the door open, 510 00:33:04,588 --> 00:33:07,355 and then the note was laying on her bed. 511 00:33:07,424 --> 00:33:10,091 And then I read the note... (INHALES DEEPLY) 512 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,398 ...and I went, "What the hell just happened?" 513 00:33:14,832 --> 00:33:17,469 First thing I did that I remember... 514 00:33:18,664 --> 00:33:22,065 was I went to both gates... 515 00:33:22,134 --> 00:33:25,875 to see if they had a record of anybody who came in... 516 00:33:25,944 --> 00:33:29,281 into the gates, came into the subdivision, 517 00:33:30,682 --> 00:33:32,384 but they didn't have anything. 518 00:33:33,818 --> 00:33:35,320 Passed out posters, 519 00:33:36,521 --> 00:33:38,653 went... (SIGHS) 520 00:33:38,722 --> 00:33:42,524 ...tried to find Tony Tobler. Couldn't find Tony 521 00:33:42,593 --> 00:33:45,164 'cause I still say he has something to do 522 00:33:45,763 --> 00:33:46,765 with the issue. 523 00:33:48,366 --> 00:33:51,232 And I could be wrong, but that's just my opinion. 524 00:33:51,301 --> 00:33:53,101 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 525 00:33:53,170 --> 00:33:55,403 CROWD: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag 526 00:33:55,472 --> 00:33:57,272 of the United States of America 527 00:33:57,341 --> 00:34:00,175 and to the Republic for which it stands, 528 00:34:00,244 --> 00:34:02,544 one nation, under God, 529 00:34:02,613 --> 00:34:06,285 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." 530 00:34:08,352 --> 00:34:10,622 INTERVIEWER: When's the last time you talked to Stephen? 531 00:34:13,023 --> 00:34:15,727 (WHISTLES) Eight years ago. 532 00:34:18,329 --> 00:34:20,665 He had come to the prison to talk to me. 533 00:34:21,165 --> 00:34:22,932 And he wanted me 534 00:34:23,001 --> 00:34:24,766 to admit to doing stuff 535 00:34:24,835 --> 00:34:27,902 that I know I didn't do, and I wouldn't admit to it. 536 00:34:27,971 --> 00:34:30,609 INTERVIEWER: Do you remember any part of that conversation? 537 00:34:33,277 --> 00:34:34,779 Not that I wanna talk about. 538 00:34:39,216 --> 00:34:41,549 STEPHEN: In February 2010, 539 00:34:41,618 --> 00:34:44,586 I went to see my father when he was in prison. 540 00:34:44,655 --> 00:34:47,622 I'm speaking to my father, you know, through-- 541 00:34:47,691 --> 00:34:50,025 on a telephone, through a piece of glass. 542 00:34:50,094 --> 00:34:51,994 And it was during that, you know, 543 00:34:52,063 --> 00:34:53,862 three and a half hour conversation 544 00:34:53,931 --> 00:34:55,596 that my father said, you know, 545 00:34:55,665 --> 00:34:58,099 "Hypothetically, I hit her and she fell and hit her head." 546 00:34:58,168 --> 00:34:59,701 And you know, "You want me to take the fall 547 00:34:59,770 --> 00:35:02,570 for this for your mother? I'll take the fall." 548 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:04,740 Which I believe is my father's way of saying 549 00:35:04,809 --> 00:35:06,269 he did it while being a victim. 550 00:35:06,338 --> 00:35:09,378 You know, a martyr for my mother or an accident if he hit her. 551 00:35:09,447 --> 00:35:11,483 But he gets to avoid responsibility. 552 00:35:12,016 --> 00:35:15,116 (RAIN PATTERING) 553 00:35:15,185 --> 00:35:17,756 (THUNDER RUMBLING) 554 00:35:22,126 --> 00:35:24,326 DONNIE: So, from the time-- from the prison, 555 00:35:24,395 --> 00:35:27,429 how many contacts have you had since then? 556 00:35:27,498 --> 00:35:29,999 -He left me one voicemail. -Oh, just a voicemail? 557 00:35:30,068 --> 00:35:31,432 -STEPHEN: That was it. -What did he say? 558 00:35:31,501 --> 00:35:34,770 You know, he accused me of playing God, I guess, 559 00:35:34,839 --> 00:35:36,972 with this thing with my mother. 560 00:35:37,041 --> 00:35:38,741 Is he married now? 561 00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:40,512 He is. Wife number three. 562 00:35:41,712 --> 00:35:44,446 DONNIE: How do you feel about giving him a call again? 563 00:35:44,515 --> 00:35:46,851 Do you think he'd ever tell you the truth? 564 00:35:48,052 --> 00:35:49,484 I'd like to think that he would. 565 00:35:49,553 --> 00:35:51,587 DONNIE: We don't have anything to lose, do we? 566 00:35:51,656 --> 00:35:52,624 Nothing. 567 00:35:54,458 --> 00:35:57,525 Yeah, he can call me. Yeah. 568 00:35:57,594 --> 00:36:00,795 And if you have an issue, let's get down and settle it. 569 00:36:00,864 --> 00:36:03,735 If you have something to discuss, let's discuss it. 570 00:36:22,882 --> 00:36:25,224 (INHALES DEEPLY) Here it is. 571 00:36:27,457 --> 00:36:30,659 -I put this out for Jennifer. -♪ (SOFT MUSIC FADES) ♪ 572 00:36:30,728 --> 00:36:33,729 I just felt like, after, you know, 573 00:36:33,798 --> 00:36:36,735 the court declared her deceased, that... 574 00:36:38,168 --> 00:36:39,769 I had to do something. 575 00:36:39,838 --> 00:36:42,407 And when we put this out, we had a little, 576 00:36:43,842 --> 00:36:46,745 you know, ceremony I guess with, uh... 577 00:36:48,812 --> 00:36:53,252 one of the local ministers from town came out here. But... 578 00:36:54,285 --> 00:36:56,655 (INHALES) Uh... 579 00:36:59,256 --> 00:37:00,759 This is what we did for her. 580 00:37:01,592 --> 00:37:04,329 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 581 00:37:11,470 --> 00:37:14,234 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 582 00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:16,641 It's all dirty. 583 00:37:19,911 --> 00:37:20,776 It's just one of those things 584 00:37:20,845 --> 00:37:22,915 that reminds you that this is a reality, 585 00:37:24,382 --> 00:37:26,485 and it's hard to get used to. 586 00:37:27,819 --> 00:37:28,787 (SIGHS) 587 00:37:45,803 --> 00:37:47,973 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 588 00:37:54,578 --> 00:37:56,982 RON: I got an email from Stephen this morning. 589 00:37:58,648 --> 00:38:02,384 "Hi, Dad. A lot has happened that you don't know about. 590 00:38:02,453 --> 00:38:06,889 In 2014, I petitioned the court in Virginia to have 591 00:38:06,958 --> 00:38:11,330 Jennifer declared deceased, which they did. 592 00:38:12,463 --> 00:38:14,934 I also subpoenaed the police department 593 00:38:15,667 --> 00:38:17,465 for Jennifer's case file. 594 00:38:17,534 --> 00:38:19,671 That is what I want to discuss." 595 00:38:21,705 --> 00:38:24,740 So that kind of irritated me a little bit. 596 00:38:24,809 --> 00:38:28,176 Actually, a lot, to be honest with you. 597 00:38:28,245 --> 00:38:30,082 I understand it's his sister... 598 00:38:31,516 --> 00:38:33,114 but it's their daughter, 599 00:38:33,183 --> 00:38:36,719 And what gives him the right to tell everybody she's dead 600 00:38:36,788 --> 00:38:38,757 if they don't know that for a fact? 601 00:38:39,790 --> 00:38:41,860 Unless he knows something we don't know. 602 00:38:44,628 --> 00:38:46,561 Which is a good-- Which is a question. 603 00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:48,196 Somebody's not being straight up, 604 00:38:48,265 --> 00:38:50,535 let me put it that way. Hmm. 605 00:38:51,401 --> 00:38:53,336 And I really think the last thing... 606 00:38:53,405 --> 00:38:54,569 (CLEARS THROAT) 607 00:38:54,638 --> 00:38:57,376 ...somebody wants to do is not be straight up. 608 00:38:58,604 --> 00:38:59,941 Hmm. 609 00:39:00,010 --> 00:39:02,845 Because God forbid if that becomes the case. 610 00:39:02,914 --> 00:39:07,086 -(INHALES) Hmm. -(CELLPHONE LINE RINGING) 611 00:39:10,487 --> 00:39:12,221 DONNIE: (OVER PHONE) Hey, Stephen. How you doing? 612 00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:14,023 I'm doing great, Donnie. How are you? 613 00:39:14,092 --> 00:39:15,357 DONNIE: All right. What's up? 614 00:39:15,426 --> 00:39:18,998 I'm hoping to have a conversation with my father... 615 00:39:21,032 --> 00:39:22,258 here shortly. 616 00:39:22,327 --> 00:39:24,633 I want to hear, you know, what he has to say 617 00:39:24,702 --> 00:39:27,136 about some of the accusations 618 00:39:27,205 --> 00:39:29,237 in this analysis of these notes. 619 00:39:29,306 --> 00:39:30,873 -DONNIE: Then ask him. -Yeah, well-- 620 00:39:30,942 --> 00:39:33,236 DONNIE: But let me tell you, though, 621 00:39:33,305 --> 00:39:36,078 sometimes you gotta eat a little crow. 622 00:39:36,147 --> 00:39:38,447 I don't know if you love him, but I would say, 623 00:39:38,516 --> 00:39:43,018 "Dad, we don't have much family but you are my father. 624 00:39:43,087 --> 00:39:45,954 So if you know something, you know, please tell me. 625 00:39:46,023 --> 00:39:46,855 I just want to know 626 00:39:46,924 --> 00:39:48,924 what happened to my little sister." 627 00:39:48,993 --> 00:39:52,027 But I mean, our time on Earth is limited. 628 00:39:52,096 --> 00:39:53,896 He's not getting any younger 629 00:39:53,965 --> 00:39:57,199 and you want to find out what happened, right? 630 00:39:57,268 --> 00:39:58,266 Absolutely. 631 00:39:58,335 --> 00:40:02,271 DONNIE: Because every time he gets in a dialogue, 632 00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:04,872 he says stuff like the crazy comments 633 00:40:04,941 --> 00:40:09,377 about, "Get me in an airplane and I'll show you where she is." 634 00:40:09,446 --> 00:40:12,248 You know, what do you have to lose? 635 00:40:12,317 --> 00:40:13,114 Not a lot. 636 00:40:13,183 --> 00:40:14,617 -DONNIE: All right, man. -Thanks, Donnie. 637 00:40:14,686 --> 00:40:15,883 -DONNIE: See you later. -Okay. 638 00:40:15,952 --> 00:40:17,622 -DONNIE: Take care. Goodbye. -All right, bye-bye. 639 00:40:18,490 --> 00:40:20,792 (PAPER RUSTLING) 640 00:40:22,927 --> 00:40:24,029 (EXHALES DEEPLY) 641 00:40:36,841 --> 00:40:37,809 Okay. 642 00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:45,717 (CELLPHONE LINE RINGING) 643 00:40:49,386 --> 00:40:51,656 Can we take a break for a minute? 644 00:40:52,457 --> 00:40:53,625 Hello. 645 00:40:53,991 --> 00:40:54,957 Hey, Dad. 646 00:40:55,026 --> 00:40:58,427 RON: Hey, uh, help me out here. What's going on? 647 00:40:58,496 --> 00:40:59,928 Who gave you the authority 648 00:40:59,997 --> 00:41:02,134 to go and have her declared deceased? 649 00:41:03,668 --> 00:41:05,835 I-- I, you know, I'm her brother. 650 00:41:05,904 --> 00:41:08,570 I-- I can do that. Take it up at the court. 651 00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:11,406 That's what I did. And at the same time, 652 00:41:11,475 --> 00:41:14,743 I subpoenaed the police department 653 00:41:14,812 --> 00:41:17,780 for Jennifer's case file. When they picked the case 654 00:41:17,849 --> 00:41:20,148 back up in the early 2000s, 655 00:41:20,217 --> 00:41:24,319 they had to rebuild a case file and that's what they gave me. 656 00:41:24,388 --> 00:41:26,082 Ask him if he can send you a copy-- 657 00:41:26,151 --> 00:41:27,592 Can you send me a copy of it? 658 00:41:29,027 --> 00:41:29,925 Yeah. 659 00:41:29,994 --> 00:41:32,695 So, I'm gonna email you a couple things 660 00:41:32,764 --> 00:41:34,063 and then we can go through 661 00:41:34,132 --> 00:41:35,901 while you're sitting there on the phone. 662 00:41:36,929 --> 00:41:38,367 I just sent it. 663 00:41:38,436 --> 00:41:41,436 Print those things and then call me back. 664 00:41:41,505 --> 00:41:43,038 -JAY HALFORD-PANDOS: Okay. -Okay, great. 665 00:41:43,107 --> 00:41:44,910 -Thanks. Bye-bye. -JAY: All right, bye. 666 00:41:46,778 --> 00:41:49,144 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 667 00:41:49,213 --> 00:41:51,016 His wife Jay has no idea. 668 00:41:53,451 --> 00:41:54,619 She doesn't know... 669 00:41:56,621 --> 00:41:57,789 any of this. 670 00:41:59,824 --> 00:42:01,522 You can look at the other. 671 00:42:01,591 --> 00:42:03,792 We're supposed to read it and call him back. 672 00:42:03,861 --> 00:42:05,995 "The inclusion of personal information 673 00:42:06,064 --> 00:42:07,929 in the letter suggests the writer 674 00:42:07,998 --> 00:42:11,400 had an extremely close relationship to Jennifer." 675 00:42:11,469 --> 00:42:13,669 STEPHEN: So, I just sent my father 676 00:42:13,738 --> 00:42:16,638 an analysis of the note 677 00:42:16,707 --> 00:42:18,911 that was left when Jennifer disappeared. 678 00:42:19,978 --> 00:42:21,777 JAY: "If your note was fabricated 679 00:42:21,846 --> 00:42:23,912 to misdirect the investigation 680 00:42:23,981 --> 00:42:26,414 and it contains personal information, 681 00:42:26,483 --> 00:42:28,017 your most plausible offender 682 00:42:28,086 --> 00:42:30,289 would be one or both of the parents." 683 00:42:33,091 --> 00:42:34,159 (SIGHS) 684 00:42:35,193 --> 00:42:36,258 What? 685 00:42:36,327 --> 00:42:38,694 I just don't comprehend. 686 00:42:38,763 --> 00:42:40,933 Well, some things don't make sense. 687 00:42:43,967 --> 00:42:46,935 STEPHEN: The stuff in here, I think it's pretty chilling. 688 00:42:47,004 --> 00:42:50,671 If he's not real medicated right now, 689 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:52,007 he's reading this and just getting 690 00:42:52,076 --> 00:42:54,980 angrier and angrier with every sentence. 691 00:42:56,447 --> 00:42:58,046 RON: I can partially understand 692 00:42:58,115 --> 00:43:01,316 where he's coming from. Not totally, partially. 693 00:43:01,385 --> 00:43:02,651 -JAY: But how do you-- -Hmm. 694 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,619 JAY: What do you think happened to Jennifer that night? 695 00:43:04,688 --> 00:43:08,184 RON: I really think somebody came in to get Jennifer. 696 00:43:08,253 --> 00:43:10,391 And whether they lived in there, 697 00:43:10,460 --> 00:43:12,561 -or whether they-- -JAY: But why? 698 00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:14,830 I don't know. If I knew why, 699 00:43:14,899 --> 00:43:16,335 -I'd be a happy camper. -JAY: I know. 700 00:43:19,503 --> 00:43:21,504 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 701 00:43:21,573 --> 00:43:25,144 (CELLPHONE RINGING) 702 00:43:26,678 --> 00:43:28,110 STEPHEN: Hello. 703 00:43:28,179 --> 00:43:30,313 JAY: Hello, Stephen, it's me again. 704 00:43:30,382 --> 00:43:31,479 Hi. 705 00:43:31,548 --> 00:43:35,651 I still don't see anything that Margie or Ron, either one, 706 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:37,953 did anything to Jennifer. 707 00:43:38,022 --> 00:43:41,123 You know, Jay, when you read these documents 708 00:43:41,192 --> 00:43:45,060 and you take into account all of the other things. 709 00:43:45,129 --> 00:43:47,529 The four different teams of cadaver dogs 710 00:43:47,598 --> 00:43:52,034 that all had positive hits underneath my parents’ house, 711 00:43:52,103 --> 00:43:55,337 that my father did not tell his family 712 00:43:55,406 --> 00:44:00,609 that Jennifer disappeared for at least seven years 713 00:44:00,678 --> 00:44:03,978 -after the fact. That-- -Stephen, he went up 714 00:44:04,047 --> 00:44:07,450 and told your grandmother about a week after it happened. 715 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:08,584 That's not true. 716 00:44:08,653 --> 00:44:10,152 -Yeah, it is. -Yeah, it is. 717 00:44:10,221 --> 00:44:12,121 It is-- It is not true. It is not-- 718 00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:13,756 JAY: Well, that's-- according to-- 719 00:44:13,825 --> 00:44:15,323 according to his aunt... 720 00:44:15,392 --> 00:44:16,724 STEPHEN: I've talked to them. 721 00:44:16,793 --> 00:44:20,763 They did not know for seven years, at least. 722 00:44:20,832 --> 00:44:22,765 I've talked to Sharon Rose, 723 00:44:22,834 --> 00:44:24,899 who was on the phone with Jennifer 724 00:44:24,968 --> 00:44:28,904 when you guys got into a fight the night that she disappeared. 725 00:44:28,973 --> 00:44:31,607 Both my parents have failed polygraphs. 726 00:44:31,676 --> 00:44:32,875 You know, why did you guys 727 00:44:32,944 --> 00:44:34,977 wait three days to call the police? 728 00:44:35,046 --> 00:44:37,212 Because that's what the note said to do. 729 00:44:37,281 --> 00:44:39,348 They really believed what the note read. 730 00:44:39,417 --> 00:44:41,283 -STEPHEN: Okay. All right. -JAY: They didn't know. It said 731 00:44:41,352 --> 00:44:43,084 -not to contact the police. -STEPHEN: So here it is. 732 00:44:43,153 --> 00:44:44,787 So you believed and you wanted to follow 733 00:44:44,856 --> 00:44:46,221 all the terms of the note. 734 00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:50,024 The note also said to put money into Jennifer's bank account, 735 00:44:50,093 --> 00:44:53,328 -but you guys never did that. -That's right. We never did. 736 00:44:53,397 --> 00:44:54,764 Right. So how do you follow 737 00:44:54,833 --> 00:44:56,865 some terms of the note, but not all? 738 00:44:56,934 --> 00:44:59,735 I don't think they canceled the doctor's appointment either. 739 00:44:59,804 --> 00:45:00,936 Okay, you're deflecting. 740 00:45:01,005 --> 00:45:02,838 -You know, the-- -RON: No, we're not. 741 00:45:02,907 --> 00:45:05,040 No, we're not. We're not deflecting at all. 742 00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:07,142 -It's ridiculous. -RON: No, it's not. 743 00:45:07,211 --> 00:45:08,811 You need to get your head on straight. 744 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,512 My head is pretty much on straight. 745 00:45:10,581 --> 00:45:12,147 -You know-- -No, I don't. 746 00:45:12,216 --> 00:45:13,582 STEPHEN: You don't have good answers. 747 00:45:13,651 --> 00:45:14,850 Well, the fact that they could 748 00:45:14,919 --> 00:45:16,885 get rid of the body is ludicrous. 749 00:45:16,954 --> 00:45:18,821 I mean, where-- where did they put it? 750 00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:20,222 I don't know. Why don't you ask my dad? 751 00:45:20,291 --> 00:45:22,992 He drew a partial map when he failed his polygraph. 752 00:45:23,061 --> 00:45:24,993 -A map to what? -RON: A map to what? 753 00:45:25,062 --> 00:45:28,631 To where Jennifer's body is, behind the mill pond. 754 00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:30,198 No, you better back up there 755 00:45:30,267 --> 00:45:34,469 because what they asked me to do was they asked me to draw 756 00:45:34,538 --> 00:45:37,906 the back of the property. And then they asked me 757 00:45:37,975 --> 00:45:40,643 what was on the other side of the pond 758 00:45:40,712 --> 00:45:43,212 and my answer was woods. 759 00:45:43,281 --> 00:45:45,114 Okay, well, I'm just-- I'm just-- 760 00:45:45,183 --> 00:45:47,249 I'm telling you what I've been told. 761 00:45:47,318 --> 00:45:49,885 And the police have no reason to lie to me. 762 00:45:49,954 --> 00:45:51,252 Are you sure about that? 763 00:45:51,321 --> 00:45:52,888 STEPHEN: Yeah, I'm sure about that. 764 00:45:52,957 --> 00:45:54,757 When I confronted my father about this 765 00:45:54,826 --> 00:45:56,759 when he was in prison in Oklahoma, 766 00:45:56,828 --> 00:45:58,493 what did you tell me, Dad? 767 00:45:58,562 --> 00:46:00,896 You said hypothetically what? 768 00:46:00,965 --> 00:46:04,399 Oh, I said, hypothetically, do you want me to... 769 00:46:04,468 --> 00:46:07,306 state that your mother did it, or something like that? 770 00:46:07,739 --> 00:46:08,804 STEPHEN: No. 771 00:46:08,873 --> 00:46:10,205 You said hypothetically 772 00:46:10,274 --> 00:46:12,873 you hit Jennifer and she fell and hit her head. 773 00:46:12,942 --> 00:46:15,243 And then you said, "You want me to take the fall 774 00:46:15,312 --> 00:46:17,780 for this for your mother? I'll take the fall." 775 00:46:17,849 --> 00:46:19,681 Which is your way of saying you did it. 776 00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:22,212 -(SIGHS) -Outside of Jennifer 777 00:46:22,281 --> 00:46:23,488 walking in the door, 778 00:46:24,421 --> 00:46:27,189 is there anything else gonna convince you 779 00:46:27,258 --> 00:46:30,095 that your father had nothing to do with this? 780 00:46:31,729 --> 00:46:32,898 Doubtful. 781 00:46:35,031 --> 00:46:38,233 JAY: Did you guys have any type of relationship at all? 782 00:46:38,302 --> 00:46:41,403 STEPHEN: No. My father was not safe to be around. 783 00:46:41,472 --> 00:46:42,270 (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 784 00:46:42,339 --> 00:46:44,639 STEPHEN: He was-- had a temper. 785 00:46:44,708 --> 00:46:46,976 He was unpredictable and violent 786 00:46:47,045 --> 00:46:49,311 and abusive to me and to my sister. 787 00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:52,284 And emotionally abusive to my mother. So no. 788 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,420 -That's interesting. -Yeah, that is. 789 00:46:58,489 --> 00:47:00,355 JAY: Has he ever hit you? 790 00:47:00,424 --> 00:47:02,891 -STEPHEN: Absolutely. (CHUCKLES) -Yeah. 791 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,260 JAY: I'm not talking about a spanking. 792 00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:07,729 Oh, no. I'm talking about-- I've been choked, punched, 793 00:47:07,798 --> 00:47:12,137 kicked, hit with a golf club. You name it, it's happened. 794 00:47:12,737 --> 00:47:14,202 Okay. Hmm. 795 00:47:14,271 --> 00:47:16,405 JAY: This exactly is why I said 796 00:47:16,474 --> 00:47:19,975 you need to talk to your dad and to your mom, 797 00:47:20,044 --> 00:47:22,978 and I feel really sorry for your mom right now. 798 00:47:23,047 --> 00:47:24,479 -I feel so sorry. -STEPHEN: Well, you know what? 799 00:47:24,548 --> 00:47:28,817 I'm sorry for her too. And I'm-- And I'm angry that, 800 00:47:28,886 --> 00:47:32,120 you know, for her in that, you know, my father 801 00:47:32,189 --> 00:47:35,691 has robbed her of any kind of life over this. 802 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,226 That was your choice, Stephen. 803 00:47:37,295 --> 00:47:39,194 Now, Stephen, you gotta own up to that. 804 00:47:39,263 --> 00:47:41,997 Ron had nothing to do with your decision making. 805 00:47:42,066 --> 00:47:44,203 RON: And when was the last time you talked to her? 806 00:47:45,437 --> 00:47:46,605 Mm... 807 00:47:49,006 --> 00:47:50,139 I don't know. 808 00:47:50,208 --> 00:47:51,740 It's been a little while. 809 00:47:51,809 --> 00:47:54,980 Yeah. So you really think I did it? 810 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,112 STEPHEN: Yes. 811 00:47:57,181 --> 00:47:58,948 -Okay. Hmm. -JAY: All right. 812 00:47:59,017 --> 00:48:00,883 Well, listen. You have a nice day. 813 00:48:00,952 --> 00:48:02,387 -Sure. Bye-bye-bye. -Bye. 814 00:48:06,224 --> 00:48:09,394 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 815 00:48:16,435 --> 00:48:17,469 That was surreal. 816 00:48:21,939 --> 00:48:23,172 And I just was-- 817 00:48:23,241 --> 00:48:24,907 I feel like I'm surrounded by crazy. 818 00:48:24,976 --> 00:48:26,475 I don't-- 819 00:48:26,544 --> 00:48:28,778 But, you know, conversations like this 820 00:48:28,847 --> 00:48:30,615 are just maddening. 821 00:48:31,516 --> 00:48:32,584 You know? 822 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,053 To me, I don't know how anybody can read this 823 00:48:38,122 --> 00:48:42,324 and honestly say that it's not conclusive. 824 00:48:42,393 --> 00:48:45,861 INTERVIEWER: Sharon did say that she heard you on the phone. 825 00:48:45,930 --> 00:48:48,329 And the way she describes it, 826 00:48:48,398 --> 00:48:51,032 you got heated with Jennifer about getting off the phone. 827 00:48:51,101 --> 00:48:52,234 (COUGHS) Could be. 828 00:48:52,303 --> 00:48:53,769 If it was past her bedtime, 829 00:48:53,838 --> 00:48:55,307 I would have said, "Get off the phone." 830 00:48:56,473 --> 00:48:58,574 I could see me doing that in a heartbeat. 831 00:48:58,643 --> 00:49:00,142 JAY: I can see you being strict. 832 00:49:00,211 --> 00:49:03,378 I can fully see that, a 100 percent. 833 00:49:03,447 --> 00:49:09,051 But I can't see you being physical-abusive, I can't. 834 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,285 -Hmm. Nah. -Do you think 835 00:49:10,354 --> 00:49:12,157 -Marge was afraid of you? -No. 836 00:49:14,324 --> 00:49:16,561 I don't, you know... As far as I know, no. 837 00:49:17,629 --> 00:49:18,730 It's crazy. 838 00:49:20,631 --> 00:49:23,135 I-- Am I nuts? You know? 839 00:49:25,136 --> 00:49:26,671 After all this. 840 00:49:27,572 --> 00:49:28,969 You know, I feel that way. 841 00:49:31,942 --> 00:49:35,114 I just-- I don't know what else I can do right this second. 842 00:49:37,715 --> 00:49:40,483 (INHALES) I feel like I've tried everything 843 00:49:40,552 --> 00:49:41,620 over the years. 844 00:49:48,259 --> 00:49:50,392 MARGIE: I don't know if we'll ever have a relationship. 845 00:49:50,461 --> 00:49:53,062 I don't know if he will ever be able 846 00:49:53,131 --> 00:49:56,932 to put that aside and know that I'm here. 847 00:49:57,001 --> 00:49:58,033 I'm here for him, 848 00:49:58,102 --> 00:50:00,705 I feel his pain, I have pain myself. 849 00:50:01,905 --> 00:50:06,875 INTERVIEWER: I think the assumption by Stephen is that 850 00:50:06,944 --> 00:50:09,011 the note was in the case file, 851 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,314 so you having it makes it suspicious. 852 00:50:12,383 --> 00:50:14,983 MARGIE: As for the missing case file, 853 00:50:15,052 --> 00:50:19,120 I cannot say with total recall 854 00:50:19,189 --> 00:50:21,691 that I saw that-- that Ron had it, 855 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,562 but something... 856 00:50:24,695 --> 00:50:28,563 out there wants me to say that yes, he did. 857 00:50:28,632 --> 00:50:31,900 Some inkling back in the recesses of my mind 858 00:50:31,969 --> 00:50:34,073 that he had it. 859 00:50:34,839 --> 00:50:38,277 And how he got it, I don't know. 860 00:50:43,314 --> 00:50:46,814 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 861 00:50:46,883 --> 00:50:50,519 STEPHEN: So we're going to do a cadaver dog search 862 00:50:50,588 --> 00:50:54,289 in Kingsville, where my father drew this partial map. 863 00:50:54,358 --> 00:50:56,557 This would be the second one, they've done one before. 864 00:50:56,626 --> 00:51:00,896 Wendi wants to do it again, so we're gonna do it again, 865 00:51:00,965 --> 00:51:03,198 and hopefully they find something. 866 00:51:03,267 --> 00:51:05,470 (INDICATOR CLICKING) 867 00:51:07,438 --> 00:51:08,903 -Good to see you. -STEPHEN: Good to see you. 868 00:51:08,972 --> 00:51:11,073 -WENDI: How are you? Good. -STEPHEN: I'm good. How are you? 869 00:51:11,142 --> 00:51:12,741 OFFICER 1: So tell me what this area looked like 870 00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:13,608 back in '87. 871 00:51:13,677 --> 00:51:15,077 -Probably much-- -Were these houses here? 872 00:51:15,146 --> 00:51:16,477 -Yeah. Everything was here. -OFFICER 1: Okay. 873 00:51:16,546 --> 00:51:18,681 OFFICER 2: Do we have some reason to believe 874 00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:20,148 that an altercation occurred 875 00:51:20,217 --> 00:51:21,283 -in these areas... -DONNIE: No. 876 00:51:21,352 --> 00:51:22,884 ...or is that just a supposition? 877 00:51:22,953 --> 00:51:25,754 DONNIE: I'm thinking for a body-- 878 00:51:25,823 --> 00:51:28,389 hiding a body, body disposal. 879 00:51:28,458 --> 00:51:30,562 -Well, I think we have a plan. -(CELLPHONE RINGING) 880 00:51:31,029 --> 00:51:33,929 WENDI: 881 00:51:33,998 --> 00:51:35,196 If you can give him a call, 882 00:51:35,265 --> 00:51:36,998 he wanted to talk to you while you're up here. 883 00:51:37,067 --> 00:51:38,100 Sure. 884 00:51:38,169 --> 00:51:40,703 (CAR ENGINE REVVING) 885 00:51:40,772 --> 00:51:41,773 STEPHEN: Good luck. 886 00:51:43,074 --> 00:51:44,973 Yeah, okay. 887 00:51:45,042 --> 00:51:46,675 I'll see you back at the hotel later. 888 00:51:46,744 --> 00:51:47,810 Yeah. 889 00:51:47,879 --> 00:51:49,148 DONNIE: All right. 890 00:51:50,982 --> 00:51:54,253 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 891 00:52:03,756 --> 00:52:04,796 OFFICER 1: Are you ready? 892 00:52:06,465 --> 00:52:07,432 Search! 893 00:52:11,202 --> 00:52:14,573 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 894 00:52:18,843 --> 00:52:20,876 (CELLPHONE LINE RINGING) 895 00:52:20,945 --> 00:52:22,244 JAKE RICE: 896 00:52:22,313 --> 00:52:24,012 Hey, Jake. Stephen. 897 00:52:24,081 --> 00:52:25,781 -JAKE: -Hey, how you doing? 898 00:52:25,850 --> 00:52:28,984 JAKE: 899 00:52:29,053 --> 00:52:30,119 Yeah, yeah. 900 00:52:30,188 --> 00:52:32,521 JAKE: 901 00:52:32,590 --> 00:52:36,156 Yeah, yeah. That's fine. We can do it now if you want to. 902 00:52:37,996 --> 00:52:39,762 INTERVIEWER: Tell us who Jake is. 903 00:52:39,831 --> 00:52:41,229 STEPHEN: So, Jake Rice, 904 00:52:41,298 --> 00:52:44,099 he's the guy in charge of the investigation. 905 00:52:44,168 --> 00:52:46,371 We're gonna go see what he has to say. 906 00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:49,208 (CAR DOOR CLOSING) 907 00:52:57,814 --> 00:53:00,319 -STEPHEN: You all right? -JAKE: I'm doing. I'm doing. 908 00:53:27,945 --> 00:53:28,914 INTERVIEWER: What? 909 00:53:30,381 --> 00:53:35,420 They found the case file buried in the bottom of the... 910 00:53:36,987 --> 00:53:39,822 (CLICKS TONGUE) ...you know, property evidence room in a-- 911 00:53:39,891 --> 00:53:41,156 the-- in a box somewhere. 912 00:53:41,225 --> 00:53:43,595 They found the original case file. 913 00:54:01,713 --> 00:54:03,315 |Don't you guys wanna hear this? 914 00:54:04,782 --> 00:54:08,921 -JAKE: (OVER RECORDING) -STEPHEN: Oh. 915 00:54:09,588 --> 00:54:12,288 JAKE: 916 00:54:12,357 --> 00:54:13,655 STEPHEN: Okay. 917 00:54:13,724 --> 00:54:15,190 JAKE: 918 00:54:15,259 --> 00:54:16,525 STEPHEN: Okay. 919 00:54:16,594 --> 00:54:19,965 JAKE: 920 00:54:35,713 --> 00:54:36,745 STEPHEN: Yeah. 921 00:54:36,814 --> 00:54:38,546 JAKE: 922 00:54:38,615 --> 00:54:44,887 -STEPHEN: Right. Yeah. -JAKE: 923 00:54:44,956 --> 00:54:46,054 STEPHEN: Okay. 924 00:54:46,123 --> 00:54:48,958 JAKE: 925 00:54:49,027 --> 00:54:50,091 STEPHEN: All right. 926 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:56,431 JAKE: 927 00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:58,668 -STEPHEN: Uh-huh. -JAKE: 928 00:54:58,737 --> 00:55:00,772 -STEPHEN: All right. -JAKE: 929 00:55:10,381 --> 00:55:11,547 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 930 00:55:11,616 --> 00:55:13,518 STEPHEN: Yeah, come on in. 931 00:55:14,551 --> 00:55:17,319 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 932 00:55:17,388 --> 00:55:18,486 So, how did it go? 933 00:55:18,555 --> 00:55:20,055 WENDI: Uh, they ran the three dogs... 934 00:55:20,124 --> 00:55:21,422 -Uh-huh. -...and they showed 935 00:55:21,491 --> 00:55:22,957 -some interest in the area... -STEPHEN: Yeah. 936 00:55:23,026 --> 00:55:27,196 ...but they didn't indicate that there was anything there. 937 00:55:27,265 --> 00:55:30,732 If the theory is that something happened 938 00:55:30,801 --> 00:55:34,102 and your sister was removed from the house, 939 00:55:34,171 --> 00:55:36,872 then it looks more like, you know, 940 00:55:36,941 --> 00:55:38,944 they probably would have left in a car. 941 00:55:40,978 --> 00:55:42,510 All right. 942 00:55:42,579 --> 00:55:45,748 Which that opens up the door for anywhere... 943 00:55:45,817 --> 00:55:47,550 -STEPHEN: Right. -DONNIE: ...you know. 944 00:55:47,619 --> 00:55:50,718 So, I went and saw Jake, um, 945 00:55:50,787 --> 00:55:52,724 and he told me that they found the case file. 946 00:55:53,958 --> 00:55:56,058 He said that there was some new stuff in it 947 00:55:56,127 --> 00:55:57,927 but didn't really elaborate. 948 00:55:57,996 --> 00:55:59,862 It's hard to get your head around, right? 949 00:55:59,931 --> 00:56:00,763 -Right. -You know-- 950 00:56:00,832 --> 00:56:02,665 It's a lot to process in one day. 951 00:56:02,734 --> 00:56:04,961 Right. In a couple of hours. 952 00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:06,366 -Right. -(STEPHEN CHUCKLES) 953 00:56:09,441 --> 00:56:10,943 (SIGHS) Right. 954 00:56:11,776 --> 00:56:14,779 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 955 00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:21,883 JAKE: The original case file was located. 956 00:56:21,952 --> 00:56:24,919 It was located inside of our records division. 957 00:56:24,988 --> 00:56:28,856 INTERVIEWER: So what changed for you then when that happened? 958 00:56:28,925 --> 00:56:31,359 Well, what changed is that there was information in there 959 00:56:31,428 --> 00:56:32,664 that we had never had. 960 00:56:33,664 --> 00:56:35,397 Different names that were in there. 961 00:56:35,466 --> 00:56:37,432 It gave us a little bit more perspective 962 00:56:37,501 --> 00:56:40,368 on exactly what the parents were telling us. 963 00:56:40,437 --> 00:56:41,937 By looking in that case file, 964 00:56:42,006 --> 00:56:44,439 you can tell that the mother and father 965 00:56:44,508 --> 00:56:48,143 were very active in the case when she went missing. 966 00:56:48,212 --> 00:56:50,545 They were out handing out flyers 967 00:56:50,614 --> 00:56:53,052 and constantly in contact with the police department. 968 00:56:54,285 --> 00:56:55,383 INTERVIEWER: Now, the parents, 969 00:56:55,452 --> 00:56:58,386 are they still high on your list of suspects? 970 00:56:58,455 --> 00:56:59,922 JAKE: They were in the house with her. 971 00:56:59,991 --> 00:57:02,123 They were the last ones to see her. 972 00:57:02,192 --> 00:57:04,960 So, Ron and Margie are suspects 973 00:57:05,029 --> 00:57:08,597 as long as we don't have information 974 00:57:08,666 --> 00:57:11,470 or evidence that exonerates them. 975 00:57:15,674 --> 00:57:16,905 STEPHEN: I mean, does the fact 976 00:57:16,974 --> 00:57:18,574 that they have now found the case file, 977 00:57:18,643 --> 00:57:20,275 does it change anything? 978 00:57:20,344 --> 00:57:22,744 It gives the current investigator 979 00:57:22,813 --> 00:57:25,480 things to follow up on I'm sure. 980 00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:26,649 -Right. -WENDI: It's just new 981 00:57:26,718 --> 00:57:28,617 information to check on. 982 00:57:28,686 --> 00:57:30,585 It just seems like... 983 00:57:30,654 --> 00:57:32,888 everything my parents did was opposite... 984 00:57:32,957 --> 00:57:33,822 Right. 985 00:57:33,891 --> 00:57:35,391 STEPHEN: ...of what everybody else does. 986 00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:38,093 Yeah. And with the note, 987 00:57:38,162 --> 00:57:41,329 you know, no logical person is gonna do something to a kid 988 00:57:41,398 --> 00:57:43,465 and then break back into the house... 989 00:57:43,534 --> 00:57:45,033 -STEPHEN: Right. -...to leave a note 990 00:57:45,102 --> 00:57:46,605 and risk getting caught. 991 00:57:47,471 --> 00:57:49,271 All right. Well, what's next, Donnie? 992 00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:53,976 I've always wanted to do the interview with your mother. 993 00:57:54,045 --> 00:57:55,477 STEPHEN: Yeah, for sure. 994 00:57:55,546 --> 00:57:57,682 DONNIE: It's gonna be a tough interview. 995 00:57:58,716 --> 00:58:00,783 I think she knows more. 996 00:58:00,852 --> 00:58:03,953 I don't know that she knows all the details. 997 00:58:04,022 --> 00:58:08,323 I think if my father could have kept, 998 00:58:08,392 --> 00:58:10,258 you know, details to himself, 999 00:58:10,327 --> 00:58:11,827 that he would have done it, 1000 00:58:11,896 --> 00:58:13,563 but I don't think there's any doubt 1001 00:58:13,632 --> 00:58:14,833 that she knows more. 1002 00:58:17,969 --> 00:58:19,905 INTERVIEWER: 1003 00:58:20,171 --> 00:58:21,369 Yes. 1004 00:58:21,438 --> 00:58:24,673 I believe all cases are solvable. 1005 00:58:24,742 --> 00:58:26,775 Now, some take a whole lot more time, 1006 00:58:26,844 --> 00:58:28,844 some of them take just the extreme 1007 00:58:28,913 --> 00:58:32,380 little bit of luck, and I believe 1008 00:58:32,449 --> 00:58:36,317 that we are going to come to a conclusion on this case. 1009 00:58:36,386 --> 00:58:40,759 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1010 00:59:25,303 --> 00:59:31,143 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪