1 00:00:04,211 --> 00:00:06,661 - [Announcer] On behalf of the motion picture industry, 2 00:00:06,696 --> 00:00:09,630 welcome to the world of home video entertainment. 3 00:00:10,734 --> 00:00:13,392 [reel rattling] 4 00:00:25,956 --> 00:00:29,339 [dark synthesizer music] 5 00:00:49,152 --> 00:00:51,189 - [Narrator] A video nasty is a colloquial term 6 00:00:51,223 --> 00:00:53,743 used in the United Kingdom and Europe 7 00:00:53,777 --> 00:00:56,918 to describe a number of films which are distributed 8 00:00:56,953 --> 00:01:00,922 on VHS video in the early 1980s, which were heavily 9 00:01:00,957 --> 00:01:03,684 criticized by the press, Parliament 10 00:01:03,718 --> 00:01:06,135 and various religious organizations 11 00:01:06,169 --> 00:01:07,860 for their content which contained 12 00:01:07,895 --> 00:01:10,622 strong use of violence and graphic nudity. 13 00:01:10,656 --> 00:01:15,144 No legislation was in place to regulate home video content. 14 00:01:15,178 --> 00:01:17,663 This meant that any films on the market 15 00:01:17,698 --> 00:01:21,529 and available for video rental stores had no certification. 16 00:01:21,564 --> 00:01:24,360 Although the act did not govern home video at the time, 17 00:01:24,394 --> 00:01:27,190 at this time the British Board of Film Censorship 18 00:01:27,225 --> 00:01:30,849 was established in 1912 only governed theatrical 19 00:01:30,883 --> 00:01:32,920 cinematic releases and was not 20 00:01:32,954 --> 00:01:35,060 enforced to censor home video. 21 00:01:35,095 --> 00:01:36,855 This is due to a loophole within 22 00:01:36,889 --> 00:01:39,271 the film classification laws at the time. 23 00:01:39,306 --> 00:01:41,722 Because of this, in the early 1980s, 24 00:01:41,756 --> 00:01:44,794 the market was flooded with low budget horror films 25 00:01:44,828 --> 00:01:47,728 featuring gore, violence and graphic nudity. 26 00:01:47,762 --> 00:01:50,627 Due to the video nasty debate in both Parliament 27 00:01:50,662 --> 00:01:53,458 and in the courts, this resulted in a number of films 28 00:01:53,492 --> 00:01:55,598 being prosecuted in the early 80s 29 00:01:55,632 --> 00:01:58,152 by the director of public prosecutions. 30 00:01:58,187 --> 00:01:59,740 Following this, the government passed 31 00:01:59,774 --> 00:02:02,329 the Video Recordings Act 1984, 32 00:02:02,363 --> 00:02:04,952 which meant in Britain all video releases 33 00:02:04,986 --> 00:02:06,954 had to appear before the BBFC. 34 00:02:06,988 --> 00:02:09,267 The so-called video nasties caused 35 00:02:09,301 --> 00:02:13,167 an outright media frenzy during the early 1980s. 36 00:02:13,202 --> 00:02:16,688 - [Announcer] To avoid fainting, keep repeating, it's-- 37 00:02:16,722 --> 00:02:21,382 - [Crowd] Only a movie, only a movie, only a movie. 38 00:02:21,417 --> 00:02:24,074 - [Narrator] In 1982, Vidco placed an advertisement 39 00:02:24,109 --> 00:02:26,905 for the Driller Killer in a VHS magazine. 40 00:02:26,939 --> 00:02:29,390 This advertisement served to bring the awareness 41 00:02:29,425 --> 00:02:32,807 of these types of films to the attention of the masses. 42 00:02:32,842 --> 00:02:34,361 What happens next was-- 43 00:02:34,395 --> 00:02:37,364 - Censorship, censorship. 44 00:02:37,398 --> 00:02:38,606 - [Announcer] Cannibalism. 45 00:02:42,023 --> 00:02:43,784 - Censorship. 46 00:02:43,818 --> 00:02:45,268 - I think it's important for us to define 47 00:02:45,303 --> 00:02:46,890 what we're talking about here at the start. 48 00:02:46,925 --> 00:02:49,030 This isn't the small type of censorship, 49 00:02:49,065 --> 00:02:51,585 say an adult trying to restrict the access of a small child 50 00:02:51,619 --> 00:02:53,863 to pornography, something you could argue 51 00:02:53,897 --> 00:02:56,866 is in the best interest of someone who is not capable 52 00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:59,696 of deciding for themselves what's best for them 53 00:02:59,731 --> 00:03:01,733 or what is possibly bad for them. 54 00:03:01,767 --> 00:03:02,699 This is something different. 55 00:03:02,734 --> 00:03:04,494 This is something larger. 56 00:03:04,529 --> 00:03:05,461 This is something insidious. 57 00:03:05,495 --> 00:03:07,635 This is a small group of people, 58 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:09,499 a governing body of some type 59 00:03:09,534 --> 00:03:13,089 restricting the access of the body, 60 00:03:13,123 --> 00:03:17,093 of the masses to something that they want. 61 00:03:18,715 --> 00:03:21,028 These are people who can decide for themselves 62 00:03:21,062 --> 00:03:23,513 what's good for them or possibly bad for them, 63 00:03:23,548 --> 00:03:26,551 but you have this overreaching governing agency 64 00:03:26,585 --> 00:03:29,864 or government enforcing their own 65 00:03:29,899 --> 00:03:33,627 ideals, morals on the masses. 66 00:03:34,697 --> 00:03:37,355 This is where things get wrong. 67 00:03:37,389 --> 00:03:39,253 And this is what we're talking about 68 00:03:39,288 --> 00:03:41,911 when we talk about censorship within this context, 69 00:03:41,945 --> 00:03:46,571 the video nasties, the PRMC, the Satanic Panic, 70 00:03:46,605 --> 00:03:51,610 this whole era of restriction of music and film and art 71 00:03:54,337 --> 00:03:58,928 in general from the masses. 72 00:03:58,962 --> 00:04:00,826 - So if you were lucky enough to own a video player 73 00:04:00,861 --> 00:04:04,830 in the early 80s, you had unrestricted access 74 00:04:04,865 --> 00:04:08,489 to a number of violent horror gore films 75 00:04:08,524 --> 00:04:12,735 full of blood full of gore full of splinters going in eyes, 76 00:04:12,769 --> 00:04:15,807 full of drills going in heads, full of nudity, 77 00:04:15,841 --> 00:04:18,879 full of Nazis, full of everything. 78 00:04:18,913 --> 00:04:22,020 The video nasties are bloody amazing. 79 00:04:22,054 --> 00:04:25,265 They're very important for film, for film history. 80 00:04:25,299 --> 00:04:27,784 I don't think there isn't a film maker 81 00:04:28,682 --> 00:04:29,993 a horror film maker alive today 82 00:04:30,028 --> 00:04:33,238 who doesn't owe a debt to a video nasty. 83 00:04:33,273 --> 00:04:35,067 They were such a big part of our British culture 84 00:04:35,102 --> 00:04:37,863 and worldwide, they're a worldwide phenomenon. 85 00:04:37,898 --> 00:04:41,453 - Even the word nasty, what does it mean? 86 00:04:41,488 --> 00:04:44,042 At the time when that phrase was coined, 87 00:04:44,076 --> 00:04:48,495 it was considered an incredibly nasty, vicious film 88 00:04:48,529 --> 00:04:52,153 with a lot of violence, usually sexualized violence. 89 00:04:52,188 --> 00:04:56,330 Women were the main target and victims in these films. 90 00:04:56,365 --> 00:05:01,301 And certainly American films I even find distasteful 91 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,062 the early Wes Craven, Last House on the Left, 92 00:05:04,096 --> 00:05:07,237 I Spit On Your Grave, for example another film from that genre 93 00:05:08,377 --> 00:05:12,242 which seemed to revel in sexual violence 94 00:05:12,277 --> 00:05:14,900 and it's something that I've never felt comfortable with. 95 00:05:14,935 --> 00:05:17,593 But whether those films should be banned 96 00:05:17,627 --> 00:05:19,560 or whether they should just have a warning on them 97 00:05:19,595 --> 00:05:21,666 is a controversial subject. 98 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:23,668 Because if you talk about banning things 99 00:05:23,702 --> 00:05:27,119 then you get into that area where 100 00:05:27,154 --> 00:05:29,536 if you know Fahrenheit 451 essentially 101 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:34,575 is the temperature of which paper erupts into flame 102 00:05:35,956 --> 00:05:39,097 and that was kind of exemplified as an example 103 00:05:39,131 --> 00:05:41,375 in that great film of the same name. 104 00:05:42,411 --> 00:05:45,345 - Pretty much everything on this list is known for its brutality, 105 00:05:45,379 --> 00:05:48,140 movies like House on the Edge of the Park. 106 00:05:48,175 --> 00:05:50,004 It's got a lot of rape scenes, 107 00:05:50,039 --> 00:05:52,559 but they're also very violent in nature. 108 00:05:52,593 --> 00:05:54,664 The same thing with Last House on the Left. 109 00:05:54,699 --> 00:05:57,046 I think that's sort of what in a lot of ways 110 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,599 what makes these videos video nasty, 111 00:05:58,634 --> 00:06:00,843 it's just the nastiness of it all. 112 00:06:00,877 --> 00:06:03,017 - I know the actual New York repo 113 00:06:03,052 --> 00:06:06,538 and they actually escorted that film out of the country 114 00:06:06,573 --> 00:06:08,851 because they didn't want anyone even making bootleg copies 115 00:06:08,885 --> 00:06:11,405 or any distributor getting hold of that film. 116 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,650 So the New York repo was actually escorted out the country, 117 00:06:14,684 --> 00:06:16,065 which is really crazy. 118 00:06:16,099 --> 00:06:18,516 - But here's the problem censorship inevitably runs into 119 00:06:18,550 --> 00:06:21,933 is that any time an art form, music, film whatever 120 00:06:21,967 --> 00:06:26,489 is censored that inevitably creates an underground movement, 121 00:06:26,524 --> 00:06:31,045 a collective of creative people that are inspired by 122 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,152 the restrictions that have been placed upon them 123 00:06:34,186 --> 00:06:36,050 and seek to circumvent that 124 00:06:36,085 --> 00:06:38,984 and find new ways, new forms of expression, 125 00:06:39,019 --> 00:06:41,435 more extreme forms of expression 126 00:06:41,470 --> 00:06:46,440 as a direct response to the unfairness of the censorship. 127 00:06:50,099 --> 00:06:54,655 That whether it's hip hop, whether it's punk rock, 128 00:06:54,690 --> 00:06:56,416 whether it's horror films, 129 00:06:56,450 --> 00:06:59,004 that underground movement eventually 130 00:06:59,039 --> 00:07:00,385 because of that extremity 131 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:03,975 because of the interest in the rebelliousness 132 00:07:04,009 --> 00:07:05,977 of what they're trying to do 133 00:07:07,392 --> 00:07:10,947 that outside group inevitably takes over the mainstream 134 00:07:10,982 --> 00:07:15,089 down the road and becomes the mainstream. 135 00:07:15,124 --> 00:07:18,679 The real hilarious thing about censorship 136 00:07:18,714 --> 00:07:21,510 is if you think about things that have been 137 00:07:21,544 --> 00:07:26,549 censored from The Wolf Man in 1931 to Friday the 13th 138 00:07:27,688 --> 00:07:31,658 to Where the Wild Things Are it doesn't work. 139 00:07:32,037 --> 00:07:34,005 I mean in the end over the long term, 140 00:07:34,039 --> 00:07:37,180 censorship does not work, because eventually 141 00:07:37,215 --> 00:07:39,459 these things you're trying suppress always 142 00:07:39,493 --> 00:07:42,047 get out there, always. 143 00:07:42,082 --> 00:07:44,015 That's the irony of censorship. 144 00:07:44,049 --> 00:07:45,499 - Censorship. 145 00:07:45,534 --> 00:07:48,053 - [Lloyd] There should be no censorship in films whatsoever 146 00:07:48,088 --> 00:07:50,987 except for children, protect the children, that's it. 147 00:07:52,644 --> 00:07:56,027 It was a disaster to ban the movies in the 80s, 148 00:07:58,029 --> 00:08:00,169 like Mother's Day, Toxic Avenger 149 00:08:00,203 --> 00:08:03,828 because what you got a 40-minute version 150 00:08:03,862 --> 00:08:05,415 of the Toxic Avenger. 151 00:08:05,450 --> 00:08:08,108 It wasted people's money, it wasted their time 152 00:08:09,558 --> 00:08:11,387 and wasted very good art. 153 00:08:11,421 --> 00:08:13,907 There's no reason for any kind of censorship. 154 00:08:13,941 --> 00:08:15,805 This is idiotic. 155 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,773 - So it means that what we're in danger of 156 00:08:17,807 --> 00:08:21,190 is throwing all of these films into a great conflagration 157 00:08:21,224 --> 00:08:22,778 and destroying them forever 158 00:08:22,812 --> 00:08:26,851 and then a very valid part of our movie history is lost. 159 00:08:26,885 --> 00:08:29,992 So I think that's what the British government at the time 160 00:08:30,026 --> 00:08:33,478 had in mind when the list of video nasties emerged, 161 00:08:33,513 --> 00:08:36,895 where they decided that any film that had any kind 162 00:08:36,930 --> 00:08:41,866 of graphic violence was considered beyond the taste 163 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:45,352 of the British taste makers and because of that 164 00:08:45,386 --> 00:08:49,563 they decided that the public should not have access to them. 165 00:08:49,598 --> 00:08:52,532 They became an illegal list whereby if you wanted them 166 00:08:53,671 --> 00:08:55,155 and they still were available, you literally 167 00:08:55,189 --> 00:08:58,503 had to get them in a brown paper bag under the counter 168 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:00,850 and take them home and bring them back in the same manner. 169 00:09:00,885 --> 00:09:03,094 - The story I heard is that they had a Go Video 170 00:09:03,128 --> 00:09:06,097 once try to drum up some publicity for his film 171 00:09:06,131 --> 00:09:08,064 so he sent a copy to Mary Whitehouse 172 00:09:08,099 --> 00:09:11,447 pretending to be an angry member of the public 173 00:09:11,481 --> 00:09:14,277 who had come across it in a video store 174 00:09:14,312 --> 00:09:16,141 and he was hoping that she'd complain about it 175 00:09:16,176 --> 00:09:18,799 and that would get people going out and buying it. 176 00:09:18,834 --> 00:09:22,562 But instead it had a bit of a catastrophic effect 177 00:09:22,596 --> 00:09:26,255 on the video industry as a whole at the time 178 00:09:26,289 --> 00:09:27,497 because then it kickstarted 179 00:09:27,532 --> 00:09:31,778 the whole Department of Public Prosecutions 180 00:09:32,917 --> 00:09:36,817 raids and making a list and police raids. 181 00:09:36,852 --> 00:09:39,855 So I think that was the kind of catalyst for the whole thing 182 00:09:39,889 --> 00:09:42,029 but most of the time you would have video magazines 183 00:09:42,064 --> 00:09:44,376 that would have full page ads 184 00:09:44,411 --> 00:09:47,932 for stuff like The Dreaded Cutter, Essex Experiment Camp 185 00:09:47,966 --> 00:09:52,868 and things like that and the video industry 186 00:09:52,902 --> 00:09:54,455 didn't help themselves at the time. 187 00:09:54,490 --> 00:09:58,114 - But as you can see from the list of video nasties 188 00:09:58,149 --> 00:10:02,325 a lot of the films are great Italian classics. 189 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,294 You're looking at Suspiria, one of the great art movies 190 00:10:05,328 --> 00:10:06,744 of the late 20th century. 191 00:10:06,778 --> 00:10:09,401 Looking at Tenebrae another really beautiful, 192 00:10:09,436 --> 00:10:12,991 but extremely violent film, which also had humor 193 00:10:13,026 --> 00:10:17,858 and some of the most dramatic camera movements 194 00:10:17,893 --> 00:10:20,378 ever recorded in cinema history. 195 00:10:20,412 --> 00:10:23,657 You had the films from Lucio Fulci, 196 00:10:23,692 --> 00:10:27,972 which again are extremely violent zombie films, 197 00:10:28,006 --> 00:10:29,870 but they're zombie films. 198 00:10:29,905 --> 00:10:32,183 They're not to be taken that seriously. 199 00:10:32,217 --> 00:10:33,702 Zombies are fantasy. 200 00:10:33,736 --> 00:10:35,704 As we can see now in the 21st century, 201 00:10:35,738 --> 00:10:37,913 one of the biggest shows on the planet 202 00:10:37,947 --> 00:10:39,155 is The Walking Dead. 203 00:10:39,190 --> 00:10:40,709 Now nobody is trying to ban that show 204 00:10:40,743 --> 00:10:42,711 and it's far more violent and aggressive 205 00:10:42,745 --> 00:10:45,748 than anything that came out in the 70s and the 80s. 206 00:10:45,783 --> 00:10:50,235 Again I think video nasties were a product of their time 207 00:10:50,270 --> 00:10:52,790 and a kind of ethos of the time 208 00:10:52,824 --> 00:10:56,241 of political correctness where people felt that 209 00:10:56,276 --> 00:11:01,177 we need to safeguard the moral life of the viewer. 210 00:11:03,732 --> 00:11:06,666 It is fascinating when you look at the films on the list now 211 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:09,254 you're looking at The Evil Dead and you think well 212 00:11:09,289 --> 00:11:12,533 why was that film on the list of video nasties? 213 00:11:12,568 --> 00:11:17,504 Probably because there was penetration with a tree branch 214 00:11:17,538 --> 00:11:19,989 basically a women was raped by a tree 215 00:11:20,024 --> 00:11:25,029 and then you also had a lot of scenes of aggressive violence 216 00:11:26,237 --> 00:11:28,895 but again that sort of thing was I think when 217 00:11:28,929 --> 00:11:31,794 sexualized violence was included with 218 00:11:31,829 --> 00:11:34,555 the more mainstream horror violence, 219 00:11:34,590 --> 00:11:37,524 then became a tricky area for the taste makers in Britain. 220 00:11:37,558 --> 00:11:39,595 - Police and forces were going around 221 00:11:39,629 --> 00:11:42,702 removing these video tapes from video shops 222 00:11:42,736 --> 00:11:46,153 and burning them, it's totally crazy. 223 00:11:46,188 --> 00:11:48,742 You think it wasn't that long ago that this was happening. 224 00:11:48,777 --> 00:11:51,296 I mean where would these bloody people be now? 225 00:11:51,331 --> 00:11:53,954 What would Mary Whitehouse do with the Internet? 226 00:11:53,989 --> 00:11:57,337 Would she sit there going around every webcam 227 00:11:57,371 --> 00:12:00,616 sex fucking website trying to censor that? 228 00:12:00,650 --> 00:12:02,756 What would she be doing now? 229 00:12:02,791 --> 00:12:04,827 - They wanted to get people to buy their products 230 00:12:04,862 --> 00:12:08,313 and they tried it in the most sensationalist way possible 231 00:12:08,348 --> 00:12:12,697 and I think at the time they could have been more like if they hadn't done 232 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:14,872 maybe we wouldn't have had censorship 233 00:12:14,906 --> 00:12:17,529 or censorship wouldn't have been so tough as it was. 234 00:12:20,256 --> 00:12:23,052 But they really kind of in their need 235 00:12:23,087 --> 00:12:26,228 to try and get people buying their videos 236 00:12:26,262 --> 00:12:28,230 they really went overboard 237 00:12:28,264 --> 00:12:29,818 because at the time when videos first came out 238 00:12:29,852 --> 00:12:31,612 there wasn't any categorization. 239 00:12:31,647 --> 00:12:34,477 It was classed as a publishing medium alongside 240 00:12:34,512 --> 00:12:37,757 books and music and I don't know, 241 00:12:37,791 --> 00:12:40,794 it would be interesting to see what would have happened 242 00:12:40,829 --> 00:12:44,004 with home video and watching films at home 243 00:12:44,039 --> 00:12:47,836 if the home video nasty scandal hadn't happened. 244 00:12:47,870 --> 00:12:51,115 I mean would it have gone down the same path as 245 00:12:51,149 --> 00:12:55,015 publishing mediums like books and music and stuff 246 00:12:55,050 --> 00:12:59,951 or would the classification system be inevitable? 247 00:13:01,090 --> 00:13:03,713 - Well my views on censorship as a whole, 248 00:13:03,748 --> 00:13:05,198 it's a tricky one isn't it? 249 00:13:05,232 --> 00:13:09,616 Because I'm a libertarian, I believe in freedom of speech. 250 00:13:09,650 --> 00:13:13,240 We fought two world wars, even English civil war 251 00:13:13,275 --> 00:13:15,449 was partly about the freedom of speech. 252 00:13:15,484 --> 00:13:18,728 John Milton actually wrote a famous pamphlet 253 00:13:18,763 --> 00:13:20,903 speaking about censorship which I've read. 254 00:13:20,938 --> 00:13:22,836 That's even now regarded as a classic. 255 00:13:22,871 --> 00:13:25,701 So even then back in the 1640s, 50s 256 00:13:25,735 --> 00:13:28,152 people were against censorship. 257 00:13:28,186 --> 00:13:31,155 The only thing, where do you cut the line? 258 00:13:31,189 --> 00:13:35,435 Where you have that point where you think this is too much? 259 00:13:35,469 --> 00:13:38,162 - I think censorship it needs to be in place. 260 00:13:38,196 --> 00:13:39,611 I mean there were definitely movies 261 00:13:39,646 --> 00:13:42,200 that I was watching when I was young 262 00:13:42,235 --> 00:13:46,791 that I really question how I even got to do that. 263 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:49,380 I really believe some things just shouldn't 264 00:13:49,414 --> 00:13:51,485 be sent to young persons you know. 265 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,351 You need to be mature and you need to have life experience 266 00:13:55,386 --> 00:13:58,527 to be able to digest what it is that you're seeing 267 00:13:58,561 --> 00:14:00,909 so it doesn't affect you in a negative way. 268 00:14:00,943 --> 00:14:04,774 Still baffled that a lot of the stuff in America is unrated. 269 00:14:04,809 --> 00:14:07,812 I would die if one of my kids grabbed a hold 270 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:11,643 of Cannibal Holocaust and they were 10 years old 271 00:14:11,678 --> 00:14:14,129 or something it's kind of scary. 272 00:14:14,163 --> 00:14:15,371 I think it's good in this country, 273 00:14:15,406 --> 00:14:17,408 in Australia that we have pretty strict laws 274 00:14:17,442 --> 00:14:20,342 on the classifications because it is appropriate 275 00:14:20,376 --> 00:14:22,516 that some stuff that kids shouldn't see 276 00:14:22,551 --> 00:14:25,278 until their minds are formed. 277 00:14:25,312 --> 00:14:27,176 - I think you've got to have some boundaries 278 00:14:27,211 --> 00:14:29,627 with censorship because I don't want to see 279 00:14:29,661 --> 00:14:32,043 inappropriate material that children are being put 280 00:14:32,078 --> 00:14:34,045 in films and that. 281 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,427 Because you can't have a free-for-all I don't believe. 282 00:14:36,461 --> 00:14:37,704 So there's certain things which 283 00:14:37,738 --> 00:14:38,774 I don't think you should show. 284 00:14:38,808 --> 00:14:42,951 Stuff like kids, but other things 285 00:14:42,985 --> 00:14:46,126 like people being killed on camera, 286 00:14:46,161 --> 00:14:48,542 not for real of course, I mean I'm totally against that 287 00:14:48,577 --> 00:14:50,924 because some people even want to legalize 288 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:53,237 so-called snuff movies where people are actually 289 00:14:53,271 --> 00:14:56,412 being killed for real and that should never be allowed 290 00:14:56,447 --> 00:14:58,311 to happen in any civilized society 291 00:14:58,345 --> 00:15:00,451 that those films should be made freely available 292 00:15:00,485 --> 00:15:04,179 if they even exist because some people say it's just a myth. 293 00:15:04,213 --> 00:15:07,044 So censorship some things are inappropriate, 294 00:15:07,078 --> 00:15:09,632 which I just said, but on the whole, 295 00:15:09,667 --> 00:15:12,187 you can't censorship with films like this to be honest 296 00:15:12,221 --> 00:15:13,671 because at the end of the day 297 00:15:13,705 --> 00:15:14,879 it's just actors, they're acting 298 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:16,812 even if they weren't that good some of them. 299 00:15:16,846 --> 00:15:17,882 It's just fiction. 300 00:15:19,021 --> 00:15:20,505 People who want to ban all these films 301 00:15:20,540 --> 00:15:22,231 should get over it in my humble opinion. 302 00:15:22,266 --> 00:15:25,200 - The idea of singling out films in my opinion, 303 00:15:25,234 --> 00:15:27,685 it's just absurd the whole idea of censorship 304 00:15:27,719 --> 00:15:30,377 in this day and age as well, particular the Internet and-- 305 00:15:30,412 --> 00:15:31,551 - Censorship. 306 00:15:31,585 --> 00:15:33,760 - The idea that you can get, you can buy these things 307 00:15:33,794 --> 00:15:35,451 and the fact that you know you had films 308 00:15:35,486 --> 00:15:37,143 that were banned for years and years 309 00:15:38,316 --> 00:15:39,662 and then they've all been released 310 00:15:39,697 --> 00:15:41,975 and there's been no discernible affect on society. 311 00:15:42,010 --> 00:15:44,460 There's not been a sudden uprise in violence and crimes 312 00:15:44,495 --> 00:15:46,186 and this is all the sort of things 313 00:15:46,221 --> 00:15:47,532 that Mary Whitehouse and Margaret Thatcher 314 00:15:47,567 --> 00:15:50,950 was trying these films were responsible for 315 00:15:50,984 --> 00:15:54,884 when in fact it was her way diverting attention away 316 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:56,679 from how badly she's running the country and stuff. 317 00:15:56,714 --> 00:15:58,785 With Mary Whitehouse, I think she just wanted 318 00:15:58,819 --> 00:16:03,755 to make people follow the kind of Christian viewpoint 319 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:07,897 of what she believed in and horror films 320 00:16:07,932 --> 00:16:09,347 didn't really fit in with that. 321 00:16:09,382 --> 00:16:11,315 - I've got a big thing about censorship. 322 00:16:11,349 --> 00:16:14,421 It's really not endorsed by anybody but myself, 323 00:16:14,456 --> 00:16:16,458 really my views on censorship 324 00:16:16,492 --> 00:16:20,117 we're at an age now where films are so accessible, 325 00:16:20,151 --> 00:16:22,222 the imagery is so accessible to everybody, 326 00:16:22,257 --> 00:16:23,430 so easy to get ahold of 327 00:16:24,604 --> 00:16:25,846 and we're also at an age where people 328 00:16:25,881 --> 00:16:27,400 know what is fake and what is real. 329 00:16:27,434 --> 00:16:28,642 They know how films are made. 330 00:16:28,677 --> 00:16:30,748 They know how special effects are made. 331 00:16:30,782 --> 00:16:31,991 It wasn't like back in the day 332 00:16:32,025 --> 00:16:34,269 where you only had Fangoria to look at, 333 00:16:34,303 --> 00:16:35,270 to look at behind the scenes, 334 00:16:35,304 --> 00:16:38,135 you know through Blu-Ray releases 335 00:16:38,169 --> 00:16:39,757 and special features, documentaries that we make 336 00:16:39,791 --> 00:16:42,587 that things are fake, how to put together 337 00:16:42,622 --> 00:16:43,761 and the crews are doing it. 338 00:16:43,795 --> 00:16:46,902 So saying that censorship is needed 339 00:16:46,936 --> 00:16:50,526 to protect people from imagery they shouldn't be watching 340 00:16:50,561 --> 00:16:54,220 and also saying that by watching those films 341 00:16:54,254 --> 00:16:56,601 people are affected and will do things 342 00:16:56,636 --> 00:16:59,294 they shouldn't be doing is I think is wrong really. 343 00:16:59,328 --> 00:17:01,296 Because I'm watched horror films all my life 344 00:17:01,330 --> 00:17:03,470 and I'm not saying it's one example, 345 00:17:03,505 --> 00:17:05,162 because I know people have issues, 346 00:17:05,196 --> 00:17:08,027 but when people do have issues regards to horror 347 00:17:08,061 --> 00:17:11,340 and do act out and do blame horror films 348 00:17:11,375 --> 00:17:16,380 people who aren't exactly people who's side are you on. 349 00:17:17,553 --> 00:17:19,521 The average Joe who watches a horror film 350 00:17:19,555 --> 00:17:22,627 understands entertainment, understands how it's made 351 00:17:22,662 --> 00:17:23,904 and enjoys it for what it is. 352 00:17:23,939 --> 00:17:27,356 - Yeah yeah yeah, I kind of I agree. 353 00:17:29,358 --> 00:17:32,465 I think that's why we've got certification of films. 354 00:17:32,499 --> 00:17:33,638 - But but-- 355 00:17:33,673 --> 00:17:35,295 - No no I'm just saying that's why right, 356 00:17:35,330 --> 00:17:38,160 it's how we interpret stuff okay. 357 00:17:38,195 --> 00:17:41,922 We're one of the fortunate few who have rightly brought up 358 00:17:41,957 --> 00:17:45,098 to see films we shouldn't have at a young age 359 00:17:45,133 --> 00:17:47,204 against age restrictions right? 360 00:17:47,238 --> 00:17:50,862 And yeah we are two living examples among many 361 00:17:50,897 --> 00:17:54,142 who have seen these films and not one thing has happened. 362 00:17:54,176 --> 00:17:56,903 If anything it's kind of huh exists. 363 00:17:57,973 --> 00:18:02,184 - It wasn't a kid's movie. 364 00:18:02,219 --> 00:18:04,324 - It actually inspired us. 365 00:18:05,532 --> 00:18:07,327 It inspired us to do what we do now. 366 00:18:07,362 --> 00:18:09,329 - We wouldn't have met. - We wouldn't have met 367 00:18:09,364 --> 00:18:11,297 except for a love of horror. 368 00:18:12,781 --> 00:18:14,162 - And there's a lot of people. 369 00:18:14,196 --> 00:18:15,922 Look at horror fans who watch all these, 370 00:18:15,956 --> 00:18:18,338 making also you meet all these people, 371 00:18:18,373 --> 00:18:20,754 the actors, the talent behind these films 372 00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:25,138 they always say what a wonderful crowd horror fans are, 373 00:18:25,173 --> 00:18:27,036 how loyal there are and everything. 374 00:18:27,071 --> 00:18:30,454 There's gonna be instances I have no doubt 375 00:18:30,488 --> 00:18:33,802 where people are affected in different ways, 376 00:18:33,836 --> 00:18:35,321 but you know what it's not just with films, 377 00:18:35,355 --> 00:18:36,839 it's with anything. 378 00:18:36,874 --> 00:18:40,740 It's that social backdrop, do you know what I mean? 379 00:18:40,774 --> 00:18:42,845 It's how they were brought up, et cetera. 380 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,054 And also it's how the mind works. 381 00:18:45,089 --> 00:18:48,437 - We're also in a culture where we blame people-- 382 00:18:48,472 --> 00:18:49,887 - Well they're scapegoats. 383 00:18:49,921 --> 00:18:52,061 - We blame other-- - Child's Play 3, 384 00:18:52,096 --> 00:18:53,960 Jamie Bulger. - Exactly. 385 00:18:53,994 --> 00:18:57,032 We blame things to make our case stronger. 386 00:18:57,066 --> 00:18:59,552 The guy who blamed the Scream movies, 387 00:18:59,586 --> 00:19:01,864 the guy for the killings that he did 388 00:19:01,899 --> 00:19:04,902 the guy who blamed Nightmare on Elm Street. 389 00:19:04,936 --> 00:19:09,009 You said you know fortunately Jamie Bulger case in the UK, which was a big case. 390 00:19:09,044 --> 00:19:10,908 It obviously affected a lot of people in this country. 391 00:19:10,942 --> 00:19:12,737 And Child's Play 3 suddenly banned, 392 00:19:12,772 --> 00:19:15,084 one and two isn't, but Child's Play 3 is. 393 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,672 - For one video. - Because the children 394 00:19:16,707 --> 00:19:18,157 said they watched that movie 395 00:19:18,191 --> 00:19:19,813 and you know there are similarities between 396 00:19:19,848 --> 00:19:21,090 Jamie Bulger and Chucky. 397 00:19:21,125 --> 00:19:24,646 But you can't then blame the film for the actions 398 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,512 of people who aren't completely there. 399 00:19:28,546 --> 00:19:30,997 I knew as a 10-year-old when I was 400 00:19:31,031 --> 00:19:33,793 watching those films they were pretend. 401 00:19:33,827 --> 00:19:37,106 I knew when I was 15, those films were pretend. 402 00:19:37,141 --> 00:19:41,766 The fact they are on the screen and are made to entertain. 403 00:19:41,801 --> 00:19:44,493 Horror is one of the biggest entertainment genres around 404 00:19:44,528 --> 00:19:47,013 because people love to be scared. 405 00:19:47,047 --> 00:19:50,603 Horror sounds nasty and it can certainly be, 406 00:19:50,637 --> 00:19:51,880 with your Blumhouses and you still have that-- 407 00:19:51,914 --> 00:19:53,399 - I think the two strongest emotions 408 00:19:53,433 --> 00:19:55,539 the two biggest things you can react to 409 00:19:55,573 --> 00:19:57,334 is horror and comedy. - Exactly. 410 00:19:57,368 --> 00:19:59,128 - It's a rollercoaster. 411 00:19:59,163 --> 00:20:00,475 It's just a movie. 412 00:20:00,509 --> 00:20:01,959 [screams] 413 00:20:01,993 --> 00:20:04,203 - [Announcer] Don't Look in the Basement. 414 00:20:04,237 --> 00:20:08,621 The makers of Last House On The Left warn you again 415 00:20:08,655 --> 00:20:12,487 to avoid fainting, keep repeating, 416 00:20:12,521 --> 00:20:17,526 it's only a movie, only a movie, only a movie. 417 00:20:21,668 --> 00:20:23,498 [screams] 418 00:20:23,532 --> 00:20:25,983 - Well I think censorship thing just backfired. 419 00:20:26,017 --> 00:20:28,296 It basically promoted to the curious 420 00:20:29,676 --> 00:20:33,473 all it did was made everyone want to see these 421 00:20:33,508 --> 00:20:35,958 and here it is 40 years later 422 00:20:35,993 --> 00:20:37,719 and people are still talking about them 423 00:20:37,753 --> 00:20:41,240 and wanting to see what's all the fuss. 424 00:20:41,274 --> 00:20:43,483 Look where we are right now with all 425 00:20:43,518 --> 00:20:46,866 re-releases on Blu-Ray and vinyl releases. 426 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:51,388 I mean the supply and demand is there. 427 00:20:51,422 --> 00:20:54,494 I just wish a lot of the film makers could see 428 00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:58,326 the popularity that it got 429 00:20:58,360 --> 00:20:59,982 because they can finally get their due. 430 00:21:00,017 --> 00:21:03,089 - No, I do not think that these movies should be banned 431 00:21:03,123 --> 00:21:06,265 or be put on any sort of list like this. 432 00:21:06,299 --> 00:21:08,543 I mean you don't ban paintings 433 00:21:08,577 --> 00:21:11,477 and they really don't ban books anymore. 434 00:21:11,511 --> 00:21:14,652 I think that no matter how extreme the film is 435 00:21:14,687 --> 00:21:16,896 in it's nature, it's still art 436 00:21:16,930 --> 00:21:19,312 and I don't believe that art should be censored. 437 00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:23,316 - I don't agree that young children should be watching films 438 00:21:23,351 --> 00:21:25,249 should be watching violence films. 439 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:27,734 I don't think a five-year-old should be watching 440 00:21:27,769 --> 00:21:30,668 A Serbian Film or The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 441 00:21:30,703 --> 00:21:32,946 So in that way I do agree that there should be 442 00:21:32,981 --> 00:21:35,777 some sort of classification system put in place 443 00:21:35,811 --> 00:21:39,677 and young children shouldn't have access 444 00:21:39,712 --> 00:21:41,196 to these sort of things. 445 00:21:41,230 --> 00:21:43,405 But when you get to the 18s category, 446 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,304 I think that a lesser branch of the law, 447 00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:49,722 unless there's actually something illegal 448 00:21:49,756 --> 00:21:51,240 going on in the film then the whole idea 449 00:21:51,275 --> 00:21:55,831 that any kind of censorship should exist is stupid. 450 00:21:58,489 --> 00:22:01,803 - Censorship should video nasties be banned? 451 00:22:01,837 --> 00:22:03,736 Well now I don't think they should. 452 00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:06,635 Because it's part of a cinema history. 453 00:22:06,670 --> 00:22:08,050 It's part of the genre. 454 00:22:08,085 --> 00:22:09,569 If you ban them, people are 455 00:22:09,604 --> 00:22:11,709 just gonna want to see them anyway, aren't they? 456 00:22:11,744 --> 00:22:13,746 History has shown whenever's something's banned, 457 00:22:13,780 --> 00:22:15,817 people are gonna try and find out why it's been banned 458 00:22:15,851 --> 00:22:18,682 and watch it so no they shouldn't be banned. 459 00:22:18,716 --> 00:22:20,166 People are gonna get them anyway, aren't they? 460 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,962 You've got the Internet and YouTube things like that 461 00:22:22,996 --> 00:22:25,136 so no they definitely shouldn't be banned. 462 00:22:25,171 --> 00:22:27,380 - I think some yes and some no. 463 00:22:27,415 --> 00:22:31,488 Some of the movies were quite gross. 464 00:22:31,522 --> 00:22:35,284 Others were probably more what I would consider an R rating, 465 00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:37,321 which you could stomach. 466 00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:40,669 Perhaps back in the 80s, it might have been 467 00:22:40,704 --> 00:22:43,396 really gross and sort of barbaric for some people, 468 00:22:43,431 --> 00:22:46,882 but I think definitely now you'll see some of the movies 469 00:22:46,917 --> 00:22:50,369 that were an R rating then are now an MA rating. 470 00:22:51,818 --> 00:22:53,786 So they've dropped as we've been able to digest 471 00:22:53,820 --> 00:22:56,547 this material more and more over the years. 472 00:22:56,582 --> 00:22:59,481 So I think at the time some yes and some no. 473 00:23:00,586 --> 00:23:03,209 - Do I think they should have been banned? 474 00:23:03,243 --> 00:23:04,728 It's hard to say that really 475 00:23:04,762 --> 00:23:07,040 because you're looking back, you're looking back 30 years 476 00:23:07,075 --> 00:23:10,112 and you're thinking well, these are just movies, 477 00:23:10,147 --> 00:23:12,736 how could they have possibly have offended 478 00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:15,842 so many people to think that they should be banned. 479 00:23:15,877 --> 00:23:19,225 But they were in parts of the world 480 00:23:19,259 --> 00:23:21,538 and they were done because there were fears 481 00:23:21,572 --> 00:23:26,163 that these would affect kids and impressionable viewers. 482 00:23:26,197 --> 00:23:28,476 And to a degree, you can sort of see 483 00:23:28,510 --> 00:23:30,650 that that does make some sense. 484 00:23:32,652 --> 00:23:34,274 You can imagine a little bit 485 00:23:34,309 --> 00:23:37,726 well I'm sure there is a weird guy down the street 486 00:23:37,761 --> 00:23:40,453 who watches this movie and he might get an idea. 487 00:23:40,488 --> 00:23:44,871 If he knocks on my door, I can get beheaded, right? 488 00:23:46,045 --> 00:23:48,185 - No, I don't think any of these films 489 00:23:48,219 --> 00:23:52,534 should have been put on a list for the people 490 00:23:52,569 --> 00:23:55,157 can't consume them, can't watch them. 491 00:23:55,192 --> 00:23:57,574 They're made to be consumed by an audience. 492 00:23:58,954 --> 00:24:01,923 They're made for adult entertainment. 493 00:24:01,957 --> 00:24:05,892 If anything, I'd say try harder 494 00:24:05,927 --> 00:24:08,481 to keep it out of the hands of children I guess, 495 00:24:08,516 --> 00:24:11,450 but that doesn't fall back on really the film maker. 496 00:24:11,484 --> 00:24:13,831 That falls on the parents and the people 497 00:24:13,866 --> 00:24:18,560 that are letting them see the films, you know what I mean? 498 00:24:19,803 --> 00:24:23,013 You have to be a certain age to drink and smoke 499 00:24:23,047 --> 00:24:26,395 and watch porno you know what I mean? 500 00:24:26,430 --> 00:24:29,088 It just throws something on that 501 00:24:29,122 --> 00:24:31,193 and get a little more strict on that if you want, 502 00:24:31,228 --> 00:24:35,991 but I wouldn't need to ban a film 503 00:24:36,026 --> 00:24:39,270 so nobody can see it, unless people are actually 504 00:24:39,305 --> 00:24:43,067 being killed in the film for the sake of the film. 505 00:24:43,102 --> 00:24:45,587 Not so much in a Face of Death situation 506 00:24:45,622 --> 00:24:48,279 where it's supposedly documented death 507 00:24:48,314 --> 00:24:50,523 where it happened and it was caught on tape 508 00:24:50,558 --> 00:24:53,699 so they'll make use of it that way. 509 00:24:56,356 --> 00:24:58,531 For the most part, it's all art. 510 00:24:58,566 --> 00:24:59,739 It's all entertainment. 511 00:25:01,776 --> 00:25:03,640 It's not real. 512 00:25:03,674 --> 00:25:05,365 There's stories being told that might be a little 513 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,369 more gorier than Gone With the Wind and stuff, 514 00:25:09,404 --> 00:25:13,442 but that doesn't mean they need to be blacklisted 515 00:25:13,477 --> 00:25:17,412 and cut out of the womb of society 516 00:25:17,446 --> 00:25:18,965 so nobody could watch them. 517 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,519 - When it comes to do I think the film 518 00:25:20,553 --> 00:25:23,487 should have been banned and put in the video nasty list, 519 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:25,006 I don't feel like they should have. 520 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,940 I feel like they should have warnings on the front cover 521 00:25:27,974 --> 00:25:30,874 of the videotapes that says this movie should only 522 00:25:30,908 --> 00:25:34,256 be viewed by people 18 and up. 523 00:25:34,291 --> 00:25:36,362 They just should have really good warnings on the ones 524 00:25:36,396 --> 00:25:38,053 that really were shocking. 525 00:25:38,088 --> 00:25:40,193 Because the idea of banning a movie, 526 00:25:40,228 --> 00:25:42,575 because honestly when you ban a movie, 527 00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:46,061 all it really does is put more attention to the movie. 528 00:25:46,096 --> 00:25:48,098 It's kind of like if your parent says 529 00:25:48,132 --> 00:25:50,445 you can't watch that, you can't see that movie, 530 00:25:50,479 --> 00:25:52,551 that's not something you should never see that, 531 00:25:52,585 --> 00:25:54,311 it makes you want to watch it more. 532 00:25:54,345 --> 00:25:56,589 Like I remember when I was in school, 533 00:25:56,624 --> 00:25:59,558 I remember there was a sheriff that came into 534 00:25:59,592 --> 00:26:01,560 when I was in middle school, I think I was in sixth grade 535 00:26:01,594 --> 00:26:04,286 he came in and said, there's one movie 536 00:26:04,321 --> 00:26:07,842 you should never watch and it's called Natural Born Killers. 537 00:26:07,876 --> 00:26:09,050 It's shocking. 538 00:26:09,084 --> 00:26:10,189 It's terrible. 539 00:26:10,223 --> 00:26:12,467 It has bad depictions of police, 540 00:26:12,501 --> 00:26:14,849 bad depictions of everybody, he was going on and on and on 541 00:26:14,883 --> 00:26:17,645 about this list about it again and again and again, 542 00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:20,440 continuously going on about Natural Born Killers. 543 00:26:20,475 --> 00:26:22,408 You know what I did that night 544 00:26:22,442 --> 00:26:24,479 when I got back home from school? 545 00:26:24,513 --> 00:26:26,930 I immediately rented the movie. 546 00:26:26,964 --> 00:26:30,209 - You know maybe you gotta out of your way a little more 547 00:26:30,243 --> 00:26:32,867 to make sure that they don't go into the wrong hands 548 00:26:32,901 --> 00:26:34,420 if that's what you're worried about, 549 00:26:34,454 --> 00:26:37,630 but I don't think really I don't think 550 00:26:37,665 --> 00:26:42,635 horror movies have ever really caused problems 551 00:26:45,431 --> 00:26:46,743 in the sense that they're thinking of 552 00:26:46,777 --> 00:26:48,952 in killing people and stuff. 553 00:26:48,986 --> 00:26:50,643 I think that when somebody goes out 554 00:26:50,678 --> 00:26:52,645 and they kill somebody 555 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,716 they're killing somebody because they want to kill them. 556 00:26:54,751 --> 00:26:59,687 I feel like whether they grew up watching Pound Puppies 557 00:27:01,102 --> 00:27:05,209 24/7 their entire life if it's in them to kill somebody, 558 00:27:06,072 --> 00:27:07,522 then they'll kill somebody. 559 00:27:07,556 --> 00:27:10,318 I don't think watching The Beyond or Blood Feast 560 00:27:10,352 --> 00:27:13,735 is something that's gonna send them over the edge. 561 00:27:15,806 --> 00:27:18,878 But I think yeah all censorship in a whole 562 00:27:20,121 --> 00:27:21,674 is not a good thing. 563 00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:25,298 People shouldn't be dictated to 564 00:27:26,714 --> 00:27:28,819 on what they need to do or what they need to watch 565 00:27:28,854 --> 00:27:31,684 and what they can and can't do. 566 00:27:31,719 --> 00:27:33,410 Because I think people are they have free will 567 00:27:33,444 --> 00:27:36,275 and they should be able to make their own decisions. 568 00:27:37,897 --> 00:27:41,004 - Yes, so I think banning a movie, 569 00:27:41,038 --> 00:27:44,801 all it really does is bringing more attention to the movies 570 00:27:44,835 --> 00:27:47,562 so making it so people were like you're gonna ban, 571 00:27:47,596 --> 00:27:49,737 I'm gonna find some way to watch it. 572 00:27:49,771 --> 00:27:53,154 All it really was doing is making more and more people 573 00:27:53,188 --> 00:27:55,846 have to go out and find any way they can to sort out 574 00:27:55,881 --> 00:27:59,643 and find the movie with bootlegs or anything that they could 575 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:02,370 sending away from the copy from the US. 576 00:28:02,404 --> 00:28:04,199 Anything that's all it really did. 577 00:28:04,234 --> 00:28:05,753 So banning it, I really don't think 578 00:28:05,787 --> 00:28:07,375 that was the way to do it. 579 00:28:07,409 --> 00:28:09,515 And I also really hate the idea of banning something 580 00:28:09,549 --> 00:28:11,724 and saying you can't watch that. 581 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:12,932 That's I don't know I just really 582 00:28:12,967 --> 00:28:15,901 hate the concept of doing that to a movie 583 00:28:15,935 --> 00:28:17,937 and censoring it and all that kind of stuff. 584 00:28:17,972 --> 00:28:19,180 - Should there have been a ban? 585 00:28:19,214 --> 00:28:21,044 You've got these movies being made, 586 00:28:21,078 --> 00:28:25,600 they are produced they are funded by studios, 587 00:28:25,634 --> 00:28:26,843 financed independently. 588 00:28:26,877 --> 00:28:28,637 - I mean a lot of them were done quiet rough. 589 00:28:28,672 --> 00:28:30,432 - Yeah, some of them were European, 590 00:28:30,467 --> 00:28:32,780 they were being released in Europe, 591 00:28:32,814 --> 00:28:34,264 released in America, banned here. 592 00:28:34,298 --> 00:28:37,854 Now obviously we had a particular issue in the UK 593 00:28:37,888 --> 00:28:39,303 in regards to these films. 594 00:28:39,338 --> 00:28:41,167 Now obviously we had mentioned before was BBFC 595 00:28:41,202 --> 00:28:42,824 was Mary Whitehouse, so should they have 596 00:28:42,859 --> 00:28:44,757 been banned because of that? 597 00:28:44,792 --> 00:28:45,965 No they shouldn't have been. - No. 598 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,415 - They were banned because of an agenda 599 00:28:47,449 --> 00:28:49,348 from a particular political group 600 00:28:49,382 --> 00:28:51,108 or a particular organization 601 00:28:51,143 --> 00:28:54,802 who deemed those films to be inappropriate. 602 00:28:54,836 --> 00:28:56,907 They weren't banned because 603 00:28:56,942 --> 00:28:59,220 there was an uproar from the community in the public, 604 00:28:59,254 --> 00:29:02,292 far from it, actually the public were drawn towards 605 00:29:02,326 --> 00:29:05,260 these films even more so because they were banned. 606 00:29:05,295 --> 00:29:06,952 - That's the thing ultimately, 607 00:29:06,986 --> 00:29:09,540 I'm talking about all this in retrospect-- 608 00:29:09,575 --> 00:29:11,370 - Of course yeah. - We weren't there at the time 609 00:29:11,404 --> 00:29:13,303 in the sense of knowing-- - I've done my research 610 00:29:13,337 --> 00:29:18,342 and watching, so talk about me maybe on this, 611 00:29:19,205 --> 00:29:21,552 on this our kind of experiences. 612 00:29:21,587 --> 00:29:26,454 So for me, I got into horror films from a very early age 613 00:29:26,488 --> 00:29:29,802 and in fact, doing the story part now 614 00:29:29,837 --> 00:29:33,288 my first encounter with a video nasty, 615 00:29:33,323 --> 00:29:35,428 albeit I didn't realize it at the time 616 00:29:35,463 --> 00:29:38,707 was the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 617 00:29:40,019 --> 00:29:43,643 My old man I had actually seen Part 2 first 618 00:29:43,678 --> 00:29:45,887 on a pirate Dutch video, my dad had it 619 00:29:45,922 --> 00:29:48,614 and the reason I think we got on to watching that 620 00:29:48,648 --> 00:29:51,651 was because I think I was helping him organized his vinyls 621 00:29:51,686 --> 00:29:55,034 and he had the original soundtrack Chainsaw Massacre 2. 622 00:29:55,069 --> 00:29:56,518 The cover threw me straight away. 623 00:29:56,553 --> 00:29:58,175 It was the breakfast club shot, 624 00:29:58,210 --> 00:30:00,039 which now it's absolutely hilarious. 625 00:30:00,074 --> 00:30:02,662 When you're a little kid and you see this hideous face 626 00:30:02,697 --> 00:30:07,046 with a chainsaw and nubbins, corpse, it was terrifying. 627 00:30:07,081 --> 00:30:08,013 We watched it. 628 00:30:08,047 --> 00:30:08,979 I was entertained. 629 00:30:09,014 --> 00:30:10,291 I was terrified. 630 00:30:11,499 --> 00:30:13,328 But you know it was a memorable experience. 631 00:30:13,363 --> 00:30:15,020 Then not long afterwards he dug out 632 00:30:15,054 --> 00:30:20,059 his original Iver Film Services VHS box of Chainsaw Massacre 633 00:30:21,371 --> 00:30:24,650 the original like it was just the silhouette 634 00:30:24,684 --> 00:30:27,170 Leatherface waving the chainsaw around. 635 00:30:27,204 --> 00:30:31,760 Thrown all over the box is uncut, uncensored, it happened, 636 00:30:31,795 --> 00:30:36,800 completely sensationalizing the product. 637 00:30:37,663 --> 00:30:39,527 And he popped it on and I think I only watched 638 00:30:39,561 --> 00:30:42,979 a segment first it was when Kirk runs into the house 639 00:30:43,013 --> 00:30:46,430 and Pam does as well and they both met their demises. 640 00:30:46,465 --> 00:30:50,883 So I'd experienced horror, but never on that level 641 00:30:50,918 --> 00:30:53,092 and unfortunately the bar was set then 642 00:30:53,127 --> 00:30:55,301 and not much in the year since 643 00:30:55,336 --> 00:30:57,027 has the had same impact on me. 644 00:30:57,062 --> 00:30:59,892 - I don't really believe in censorship. 645 00:30:59,927 --> 00:31:02,826 I don't really see the point behind it, 646 00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:04,517 particularly in this day and age. 647 00:31:06,036 --> 00:31:09,798 But the BBFC's viewpoint has always 648 00:31:09,833 --> 00:31:14,838 that they will ban something if they feel that 649 00:31:15,943 --> 00:31:18,946 it can cause harm through to an individual 650 00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:22,639 or to society for the actions of an individual, 651 00:31:22,673 --> 00:31:24,779 which I think is just something that's just 652 00:31:24,813 --> 00:31:28,196 never been proved, it's just illogical. 653 00:31:28,231 --> 00:31:30,889 It's like saying you know for example 654 00:31:30,923 --> 00:31:34,685 if you take something like a gun, a gun is harmful. 655 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,930 It's been proved to cause harm, so therefore we ban it. 656 00:31:37,965 --> 00:31:41,071 But when it comes to films, to say that some people 657 00:31:41,106 --> 00:31:44,833 might watch a film and go out and cause harm or whatever, 658 00:31:45,973 --> 00:31:49,321 while other people might not is pretty much 659 00:31:49,355 --> 00:31:52,117 kind of proves that films don't cause harm. 660 00:31:54,395 --> 00:31:56,776 The way that people act in society 661 00:31:56,811 --> 00:32:00,056 comes back the whole kind of nature, nurture debate. 662 00:32:00,090 --> 00:32:03,818 It's all about how someone was brought up, 663 00:32:03,852 --> 00:32:08,857 their kind of how they learn about ethics and morality 664 00:32:10,273 --> 00:32:12,896 and how they understand their actions cause harm to others 665 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:15,416 or it can be through the nature side of things. 666 00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:20,179 If someone has some sort of mental problems in their brain, 667 00:32:20,214 --> 00:32:23,113 if it's like caused through genetics 668 00:32:23,148 --> 00:32:27,255 or it's caused through in psychology I learned about 669 00:32:27,290 --> 00:32:30,569 how someone's frontal lobe gets damaged 670 00:32:30,603 --> 00:32:32,571 and that relates to their theory of mind 671 00:32:32,605 --> 00:32:36,747 and how their understanding of their 672 00:32:36,989 --> 00:32:38,818 actions causes harm to other people. 673 00:32:39,819 --> 00:32:40,786 These are the sort of things 674 00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:42,029 that make people go out and kill. 675 00:32:42,063 --> 00:32:43,996 If you've been brought up as a normal person, 676 00:32:44,031 --> 00:32:46,930 you're brought up, you understand the difference 677 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,449 between right and wrong. 678 00:32:48,483 --> 00:32:51,003 You understand that your actions have consequences 679 00:32:51,038 --> 00:32:53,247 and you understand the feelings of other people, 680 00:32:53,281 --> 00:32:54,627 you're not gonna watch a film 681 00:32:54,662 --> 00:32:58,114 and then have all of those beliefs changed. 682 00:32:58,148 --> 00:33:01,945 If I spent the weekend watching the film Reservoir Dogs, 683 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:03,395 I'm not gonna go out on Monday 684 00:33:03,429 --> 00:33:04,810 and start cutting policemen's ears off. 685 00:33:04,844 --> 00:33:09,194 That's just not how human beings work. 686 00:33:10,333 --> 00:33:13,992 I think if a film doesn't break the law, 687 00:33:14,026 --> 00:33:16,373 if it's not like child pornography 688 00:33:16,408 --> 00:33:19,998 or a real life snuff film or doesn't have animal cruelty in, 689 00:33:21,413 --> 00:33:24,140 then I don't think that anything should be banned. 690 00:33:24,174 --> 00:33:25,555 I think it's absurd as well, 691 00:33:25,589 --> 00:33:27,867 the fact that we still have stuff like 692 00:33:27,902 --> 00:33:30,318 A Serbian Film is banned. 693 00:33:30,353 --> 00:33:32,700 The full, uncut version is still being cut. 694 00:33:34,219 --> 00:33:35,979 Yet, you can go onto Amazon now 695 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:39,258 and buy the full uncut Swedish release 696 00:33:39,293 --> 00:33:41,847 next to the BBFC-approved version. 697 00:33:41,881 --> 00:33:43,642 I don't understand what these people are doing 698 00:33:43,676 --> 00:33:45,782 in their little SoHo office. 699 00:33:47,163 --> 00:33:51,236 It just seems a bit crazy idea that they still sit there 700 00:33:51,270 --> 00:33:55,136 and they still agonize over which bits to cut 701 00:33:55,171 --> 00:33:57,345 and which bits to leave in. 702 00:33:57,380 --> 00:34:01,108 Oh should we is this okay, should we have this shot here? 703 00:34:01,142 --> 00:34:04,145 As if any of that really matters. 704 00:34:06,665 --> 00:34:10,738 Like I said, going back to the and the other thing as well 705 00:34:10,772 --> 00:34:13,706 you get films which were banned once 706 00:34:13,741 --> 00:34:15,329 and then have now been released. 707 00:34:16,226 --> 00:34:21,093 Their logic has always been that 708 00:34:21,128 --> 00:34:25,097 well society's changed and what was once harmful 709 00:34:25,132 --> 00:34:28,618 is now not harmful and going back to my example of the gun. 710 00:34:30,413 --> 00:34:32,484 If I shot someone with a gun now, 711 00:34:32,518 --> 00:34:37,523 if we waited 20 years and then I shot someone, 712 00:34:38,628 --> 00:34:40,285 the fact that society has changed 713 00:34:40,319 --> 00:34:44,910 or the world has changed, it's still harmful. 714 00:34:44,944 --> 00:34:47,809 Whereas the idea of a film being harmful 715 00:34:47,844 --> 00:34:50,847 and then not being harmful is just illogical. 716 00:34:50,881 --> 00:34:55,507 We've got access to 24 hours a day hardcore pornography. 717 00:34:55,541 --> 00:35:00,374 We haven't got a society full of rapists and sex offenders 718 00:35:00,408 --> 00:35:01,720 as a result of it. 719 00:35:01,754 --> 00:35:03,653 - I'll tell you what is actually 720 00:35:03,687 --> 00:35:05,275 the silver bullet is technology. 721 00:35:05,310 --> 00:35:09,141 Technology will always advance faster 722 00:35:09,176 --> 00:35:11,833 than oppression can keep it down. 723 00:35:11,868 --> 00:35:16,873 You put warning labels on tapes, on music, 724 00:35:18,046 --> 00:35:19,427 on heavy metal, on hip hop and rap 725 00:35:19,462 --> 00:35:21,671 and people copy the tapes and distribute them. 726 00:35:21,705 --> 00:35:24,570 You ban videos, you ban horror movies 727 00:35:24,605 --> 00:35:26,848 from being sold from video stores 728 00:35:26,883 --> 00:35:29,782 from being sold in the market place and people copy them. 729 00:35:29,817 --> 00:35:33,303 You ban videos now, they get up on the Internet. 730 00:35:33,338 --> 00:35:34,684 Technology is the silver bullet. 731 00:35:34,718 --> 00:35:36,030 Technology is the thing 732 00:35:36,064 --> 00:35:38,998 that always triumphs over censorship. 733 00:35:39,033 --> 00:35:43,210 - It's about the constant fear of what if. 734 00:35:43,244 --> 00:35:45,833 I think especially when you become a parent, 735 00:35:45,867 --> 00:35:48,249 that comes into play a lot, because you're always 736 00:35:48,284 --> 00:35:50,320 what if something were to happen? 737 00:35:50,355 --> 00:35:54,911 What if something was to happen to my child 738 00:35:54,945 --> 00:35:57,189 or yours or anybody else's, 739 00:35:57,224 --> 00:36:00,261 the people in society that need more protection than others? 740 00:36:00,296 --> 00:36:02,298 And there's a feeling that you want to take over 741 00:36:02,332 --> 00:36:06,716 and control or at least make safe and make safe 742 00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:08,856 is an interesting term, because you say make safe 743 00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:12,446 and yet making safe is not it may be safe for you, 744 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,482 but that's not safe for everybody else. 745 00:36:14,517 --> 00:36:17,105 In fact, that's just straight out controlling. 746 00:36:18,762 --> 00:36:20,902 That's where I think a lot of the mindset 747 00:36:20,937 --> 00:36:24,354 was coming from within the idea to ban these films. 748 00:36:25,562 --> 00:36:27,046 You gotta keep in mind that 749 00:36:27,081 --> 00:36:29,635 these were not just typical horror films with the violence 750 00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:33,225 you would have already seen or expected to see. 751 00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:35,952 Blood that was in color and red and gore, 752 00:36:35,986 --> 00:36:37,816 I mean that was sort of already there. 753 00:36:37,850 --> 00:36:41,095 People were expecting some of that 754 00:36:41,129 --> 00:36:44,271 that was there, but this was balls out. 755 00:36:44,305 --> 00:36:46,825 This was the stuff where you would just figure 756 00:36:46,859 --> 00:36:49,793 if somebody was dying by a knife or a machete 757 00:36:49,828 --> 00:36:52,934 that's bad enough, but to have them chopped into pieces 758 00:36:52,969 --> 00:36:55,868 or guts pulled out or somebody's eating the guts 759 00:36:55,903 --> 00:36:58,492 and then you turn around you cut off the head 760 00:36:58,526 --> 00:37:00,804 next person who's watching this happen. 761 00:37:00,839 --> 00:37:02,772 I mean that's just going for broke. 762 00:37:02,806 --> 00:37:05,533 You cut off the genitals and eat that penis, 763 00:37:05,568 --> 00:37:07,294 because everybody in cannibal land 764 00:37:07,328 --> 00:37:09,882 seems to want to eat the genitals, I don't know why. 765 00:37:09,917 --> 00:37:14,680 Anyway, there's this idea that it's not just a horror movie, 766 00:37:14,715 --> 00:37:17,235 it's not just what you might expect to see 767 00:37:17,269 --> 00:37:22,240 down in the cinema, it's no restrictions. 768 00:37:23,655 --> 00:37:25,588 It's balls out in your face. 769 00:37:25,622 --> 00:37:27,521 Whatever you could imagine what would happen 770 00:37:27,555 --> 00:37:29,626 would happen in these movies. 771 00:37:29,661 --> 00:37:32,664 - [Announcer] To avoid fainting, keep repeating-- 772 00:37:32,698 --> 00:37:36,357 - [Crowd] It's only a movie, it's only a movie, 773 00:37:36,392 --> 00:37:37,841 it's only a movie. 774 00:37:37,876 --> 00:37:40,188 - What's great about video nasties I think 775 00:37:40,223 --> 00:37:43,847 is it's something that doesn't exist at all anymore. 776 00:37:43,882 --> 00:37:45,953 Don't get me wrong, there's still censorship, 777 00:37:45,987 --> 00:37:47,644 but what we have now these days 778 00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:50,820 is ease of access to all these films. 779 00:37:50,854 --> 00:37:51,959 You can download them. 780 00:37:51,993 --> 00:37:53,167 You can buy them in shops. 781 00:37:53,201 --> 00:37:56,066 Half of them are now available in Poundland. 782 00:37:56,101 --> 00:37:58,655 - Yeah and I also think the audience's perception 783 00:37:58,690 --> 00:38:00,381 of what is gory and what is horrific 784 00:38:00,416 --> 00:38:03,246 and also censorship itself has completely changed now. 785 00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:06,111 Whereas you look back in the video nasties of the day 786 00:38:06,145 --> 00:38:08,355 and actually in today's comparison, 787 00:38:08,389 --> 00:38:11,841 they're kind of tame, we said when we we're talking 788 00:38:11,875 --> 00:38:15,258 about our own that these films, 789 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:17,916 some of them aren't the greatest of films. 790 00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:19,331 But they have become cult classics 791 00:38:19,366 --> 00:38:21,299 because they were labeled as video nasties. 792 00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:24,025 - I don't really think these films should have been banned. 793 00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:25,717 I mean okay they've got a rating, 794 00:38:25,751 --> 00:38:28,858 so you've got a rating for a film that's fine. 795 00:38:28,892 --> 00:38:31,101 But they shouldn't have been outright banned. 796 00:38:31,136 --> 00:38:34,139 It wasn't just children who were seeing these films. 797 00:38:34,173 --> 00:38:35,968 It was adults who were being told 798 00:38:36,003 --> 00:38:39,144 they couldn't watch the video nasties. 799 00:38:39,178 --> 00:38:41,595 So these were being banned from everybody. 800 00:38:41,629 --> 00:38:43,562 The major thing was children 801 00:38:43,597 --> 00:38:46,324 might see these at home or whatever. 802 00:38:46,358 --> 00:38:47,532 But what about the adults? 803 00:38:47,566 --> 00:38:49,188 Can't they make their own mind up? 804 00:38:49,223 --> 00:38:51,294 That's what I really didn't get is how 805 00:38:52,709 --> 00:38:55,643 they didn't even put a rating on it or anything like that. 806 00:38:55,678 --> 00:39:00,165 [dramatic music] [screaming] 807 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,305 Adults couldn't even make a decision 808 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:04,583 to watch these films or not. 809 00:39:04,618 --> 00:39:05,791 So I really don't think these films 810 00:39:05,826 --> 00:39:07,034 should have been banned at all. 811 00:39:07,068 --> 00:39:08,967 - Perhaps they were seeing the title alone 812 00:39:09,001 --> 00:39:11,694 and they were imagining in their mind 813 00:39:11,728 --> 00:39:13,143 what was happening in this movie, 814 00:39:13,178 --> 00:39:16,008 what could possibly be in this movie. 815 00:39:16,043 --> 00:39:17,838 And of course you've got to give it to the people 816 00:39:17,872 --> 00:39:20,081 making the box covers because you look at something 817 00:39:20,116 --> 00:39:22,567 like Driller Killer and you see the drill 818 00:39:22,601 --> 00:39:24,292 going into the guy's head. 819 00:39:24,327 --> 00:39:27,710 It's puncturing the skull and it's drilling away 820 00:39:27,744 --> 00:39:29,608 and all the blood is coming down. 821 00:39:29,643 --> 00:39:32,991 The guy is screaming and it's probably in his brain already. 822 00:39:33,025 --> 00:39:38,030 And you gotta imagine if that's on the box cover, 823 00:39:39,135 --> 00:39:40,516 my God, what else could be in this movie? 824 00:39:41,413 --> 00:39:43,381 - The Last House on the Left, 825 00:39:43,415 --> 00:39:46,038 this film was on the banned nasties list. 826 00:39:46,073 --> 00:39:48,938 It was rejected until 2000, I think, 827 00:39:48,972 --> 00:39:50,802 I think they submitted it again in 2000 828 00:39:50,836 --> 00:39:53,598 and then it was rejected and then in 2003, 829 00:39:53,632 --> 00:39:57,912 they allowed a cut version to be released. 830 00:39:57,947 --> 00:40:00,259 And then in 2007, it was submitted again 831 00:40:00,294 --> 00:40:03,228 and they allowed it through uncut. 832 00:40:03,262 --> 00:40:07,197 I'm thinking when it was banned in 2000 833 00:40:07,232 --> 00:40:10,166 and they said no, you can't release this film, 834 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,824 did they honestly believe that it was harmful then? 835 00:40:12,858 --> 00:40:15,654 Then 10 years later, or less than 10 years 836 00:40:15,689 --> 00:40:18,105 they'd allow it to be released fully uncut? 837 00:40:18,139 --> 00:40:21,695 I mean are there admitting that they were wrong 838 00:40:21,729 --> 00:40:24,801 and they're saying we were wrong, 839 00:40:24,836 --> 00:40:26,562 it's not actually a harmful film. 840 00:40:26,596 --> 00:40:27,494 It's illogical. 841 00:40:27,528 --> 00:40:29,047 It doesn't make any sense. 842 00:40:29,081 --> 00:40:31,912 I've seen all these films and I don't go out killing people. 843 00:40:31,946 --> 00:40:33,983 Going back to video nasties, 844 00:40:34,017 --> 00:40:37,469 the only thing which I do agree with being cut 845 00:40:37,504 --> 00:40:39,471 or censored is the animal cruelty 846 00:40:39,506 --> 00:40:42,854 which comes into a lot of the Italian cannibal films 847 00:40:42,888 --> 00:40:46,823 unfortunately because that does, that breaks the law. 848 00:40:46,858 --> 00:40:49,826 Animal cruelty is illegal. 849 00:40:49,861 --> 00:40:52,657 We don't really want to watch it. 850 00:40:52,691 --> 00:40:55,936 I agree like I said anything that breaks the law 851 00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:59,284 shouldn't be allowed in the film, 852 00:40:59,318 --> 00:41:02,494 but when it comes to made-up violence 853 00:41:02,529 --> 00:41:05,980 and fake effects and things like that, 854 00:41:06,015 --> 00:41:08,155 then there's no logical reason 855 00:41:08,189 --> 00:41:09,708 to keep banning that sort of thing, 856 00:41:09,743 --> 00:41:11,227 to keep censoring that sort of thing. 857 00:41:11,261 --> 00:41:12,780 - Video nasties I always found 858 00:41:12,815 --> 00:41:14,782 a very interesting subject matter 859 00:41:14,817 --> 00:41:17,336 because over the years I think a lot of the films 860 00:41:17,371 --> 00:41:22,100 that were considered video nasties are art films. 861 00:41:22,134 --> 00:41:23,964 They're actually really beautiful examples 862 00:41:23,998 --> 00:41:29,003 of how horror could be enter like the art mainstream. 863 00:41:30,384 --> 00:41:33,180 I know in a way that sounds like a contradiction, 864 00:41:33,214 --> 00:41:35,113 where a lot of people think art movies 865 00:41:35,147 --> 00:41:39,497 are Ingmar Bergman and Antonioni 866 00:41:39,531 --> 00:41:41,637 or people like that, and of course those films 867 00:41:41,671 --> 00:41:43,604 are really artistic, but the reason is 868 00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:48,057 the Italians always took a very blanket view 869 00:41:48,091 --> 00:41:51,439 of making a film, whereas they actually thought 870 00:41:51,474 --> 00:41:54,684 and rightfully so that the visual aspect 871 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,619 of making a film and the audio aspect 872 00:41:58,654 --> 00:42:00,656 should marry as a really beautiful thing. 873 00:42:00,690 --> 00:42:05,108 Even if the subject matter is dark and the Italians felt 874 00:42:05,143 --> 00:42:07,628 that the overall package should be beautiful. 875 00:42:07,663 --> 00:42:08,905 I totally agree with that. 876 00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:11,011 I think that film is a visual medium 877 00:42:11,045 --> 00:42:14,670 and so unless you are creating something 878 00:42:14,704 --> 00:42:19,157 with a look that's meant to be deliberately grungy 879 00:42:19,191 --> 00:42:22,056 because say it's like a mockumentary 880 00:42:22,091 --> 00:42:24,231 or a fan film footage film, 881 00:42:24,265 --> 00:42:25,853 then I think films should be beautiful, 882 00:42:25,888 --> 00:42:28,511 no matter how dark the subject matter. 883 00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:31,997 I suppose in a way that means when I talk about 884 00:42:32,032 --> 00:42:34,034 video nasties I'm really thinking about 885 00:42:34,068 --> 00:42:37,002 the Italian films that came out at the time. 886 00:42:37,037 --> 00:42:40,143 Of course when I rented them as a boy on VHS, 887 00:42:40,178 --> 00:42:43,077 I always remember going down to the VHS store 888 00:42:43,112 --> 00:42:45,079 and you'd find out the latest horror movie 889 00:42:45,114 --> 00:42:48,289 had come in from Italy or had come in from the USA. 890 00:42:48,324 --> 00:42:49,843 And they weren't video nasties then. 891 00:42:49,877 --> 00:42:51,465 They were just the latest horror movie 892 00:42:51,499 --> 00:42:53,812 and so many in retrospect that these films 893 00:42:53,847 --> 00:42:55,642 are considered video nasties. 894 00:42:55,676 --> 00:42:59,128 - Horror films of the 1970s and the 80s 895 00:42:59,162 --> 00:43:02,027 are notorious primarily for their gore. 896 00:43:03,201 --> 00:43:06,480 I think it was a prime period for horror films. 897 00:43:06,514 --> 00:43:09,621 The style had changed way before then 898 00:43:09,656 --> 00:43:11,519 from the your gothic castles 899 00:43:11,554 --> 00:43:16,352 to the real world, serial killers. 900 00:43:16,386 --> 00:43:17,767 - You change to mass killer kind of films 901 00:43:17,802 --> 00:43:20,632 compared to your Dracula films or your Hammer horrors. 902 00:43:20,667 --> 00:43:22,634 - And then by the late 70s, you've got the odd zombie films. 903 00:43:22,669 --> 00:43:25,672 So you're dealing with two kind of extremes. 904 00:43:25,706 --> 00:43:28,640 On the the one hand, you've got you're gritty, 905 00:43:28,675 --> 00:43:31,470 realistic films like Last House on the Left 906 00:43:31,505 --> 00:43:33,645 and then on the other hand, you've got your 907 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,201 beyond fantastical films like Evil Dead. 908 00:43:38,236 --> 00:43:40,203 - But this was an issue then for the censors 909 00:43:40,238 --> 00:43:42,965 that when these films like Last House on the Left 910 00:43:42,999 --> 00:43:45,484 came out they were so real in their terms, 911 00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:49,005 they weren't monsters or vampires, 912 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,628 they're sort of real things happening. 913 00:43:50,662 --> 00:43:51,836 - And then that's where you can probably 914 00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:54,183 like easily that question then. 915 00:43:54,217 --> 00:43:57,393 You know it's hard for me to discern 916 00:43:57,427 --> 00:43:59,360 what should be and shouldn't be banned. 917 00:43:59,395 --> 00:44:01,362 I think Gunner Hansen once said 918 00:44:01,397 --> 00:44:04,469 he finds it outrageous a small group of people 919 00:44:04,503 --> 00:44:07,265 like the BBFC were able, 920 00:44:07,299 --> 00:44:09,716 all it has is a small group of people 921 00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:12,235 who basically decide whether everyone else 922 00:44:12,270 --> 00:44:13,961 can watch it or not. 923 00:44:13,996 --> 00:44:15,376 - Well, that's true, you've got think about 924 00:44:15,411 --> 00:44:18,034 the types of people, you're middle class people. 925 00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:20,692 - Video nasty was a mass class divide, wasn't it? 926 00:44:20,727 --> 00:44:24,316 - Well yeah, Mary Whitehouse this older lady, 927 00:44:24,351 --> 00:44:26,664 who was probably in her 60s, 70s maybe-- 928 00:44:26,698 --> 00:44:28,527 - And she hadn't even seen-- - She hadn't seen 929 00:44:28,562 --> 00:44:29,701 any of these horror films that she was dictating 930 00:44:29,736 --> 00:44:30,944 to people-- - And then you had 931 00:44:30,978 --> 00:44:32,152 James Furman say the-- - James Furman yeah. 932 00:44:32,186 --> 00:44:34,741 - The impact of Texas Chainsaw Massacre 933 00:44:34,775 --> 00:44:38,537 might not affect your everyday person, 934 00:44:38,572 --> 00:44:41,609 but it might affect what was it, a working class 935 00:44:41,644 --> 00:44:44,543 member from Birmingham like you. 936 00:44:44,578 --> 00:44:46,373 [laughs] 937 00:44:46,407 --> 00:44:50,480 And so going back on that you're super realistic 938 00:44:50,515 --> 00:44:52,586 horror films because that's what it was, right? 939 00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:55,140 It was either serial killers. 940 00:44:56,452 --> 00:44:58,074 I mean you had your cannibal movies, 941 00:44:58,109 --> 00:44:59,455 but then you had your zombie movies. 942 00:44:59,489 --> 00:45:02,492 So if I was to say, if I was given the choice 943 00:45:02,527 --> 00:45:05,772 one of these is more susceptible to being banned 944 00:45:05,806 --> 00:45:08,188 than the other then in my eyes 945 00:45:08,222 --> 00:45:09,983 because they're doing it because the effect 946 00:45:10,017 --> 00:45:12,399 it might have on the audience. 947 00:45:12,433 --> 00:45:15,471 And in this instance, their major worry is kids. 948 00:45:15,505 --> 00:45:19,371 Then in all reality, the ones that should be looked at more 949 00:45:19,406 --> 00:45:21,339 would be your Last House on the Left, 950 00:45:21,373 --> 00:45:23,824 because you're literally I mean the thing is 951 00:45:23,859 --> 00:45:26,585 Wes Craven and I'll say this as a fan of the film, 952 00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:29,519 Wes Craven never set out to make Last House on the Left 953 00:45:29,554 --> 00:45:31,383 to glorify violence, it was his-- 954 00:45:31,418 --> 00:45:33,903 - Or to be a banned film. - No, or to be a banned film, 955 00:45:33,938 --> 00:45:36,906 but it was his reaction to the Vietnam War 956 00:45:36,941 --> 00:45:40,013 and the fact that the TV was showing such violence. 957 00:45:40,047 --> 00:45:43,154 All right, we know that as fans of the film 958 00:45:43,188 --> 00:45:45,743 and a lot of people do, that that was his intent. 959 00:45:45,777 --> 00:45:47,641 The BBFC's perception of it was 960 00:45:47,675 --> 00:45:49,194 that it's glorifying violence. 961 00:45:49,229 --> 00:45:50,989 So ultimately it's down the violence, 962 00:45:51,024 --> 00:45:54,682 but Last House on the Left, you are kind of showing 963 00:45:54,717 --> 00:45:57,996 what could be a very real situation, 964 00:45:58,031 --> 00:46:01,034 which no doubt there has been situations like that. 965 00:46:01,068 --> 00:46:04,416 If there are to make a decision on that or Evil Dead, 966 00:46:04,451 --> 00:46:07,488 which was also on that same list and Zombie Flesh Eaters, 967 00:46:08,904 --> 00:46:10,975 then that would be the one, at least I personally lean 968 00:46:11,009 --> 00:46:12,562 more towards if there was ones to be banned. 969 00:46:12,597 --> 00:46:14,012 Because-- - But why like you said, 970 00:46:14,047 --> 00:46:15,980 why was a small group of people banning those films? 971 00:46:16,014 --> 00:46:18,879 What was it about those particular films? 972 00:46:18,914 --> 00:46:21,744 - One of my memories of renting was 973 00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:23,056 when we got I Spit On Your Grave 974 00:46:23,090 --> 00:46:25,644 and I watched it with two of my friends 975 00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:28,302 probably around 12 or 13. 976 00:46:28,337 --> 00:46:31,167 My dad walked in me, the scene right where 977 00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:33,514 the rape was about to start 978 00:46:33,549 --> 00:46:36,172 and he just sat down with us and started watching it. 979 00:46:36,207 --> 00:46:38,554 We were like just laughing uncontrollably 980 00:46:38,588 --> 00:46:40,936 because we were just basically embarrassed 981 00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:43,076 we didn't know how to process it 982 00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:45,319 and he just turned to us and said, this isn't funny. 983 00:46:45,354 --> 00:46:46,596 We just felt so stupid, 984 00:46:46,631 --> 00:46:48,253 but he ended up watching the whole thing with us. 985 00:46:48,288 --> 00:46:50,773 - I think in a lot of ways the video rental store 986 00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:53,396 was sort of a gateway to the video nasty. 987 00:46:54,570 --> 00:46:57,021 I remember renting both Last House on the Left 988 00:46:57,055 --> 00:46:58,401 and I Spit On Your Grave 989 00:46:58,436 --> 00:47:00,300 for the first time at a video store. 990 00:47:00,334 --> 00:47:02,371 I remember when I rented Last House on the Left, 991 00:47:02,405 --> 00:47:04,891 I had to rent it on my dad's rental account 992 00:47:04,925 --> 00:47:07,445 because of course I wasn't old enough at the time. 993 00:47:08,618 --> 00:47:10,862 The movie actually got eaten in his VCR 994 00:47:10,897 --> 00:47:12,381 and I remember he got really upset 995 00:47:12,415 --> 00:47:13,865 and told me this is what happens 996 00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:15,798 when you try watching old movies. 997 00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:17,662 So I'll always have that memory 998 00:47:17,696 --> 00:47:19,043 from watching Last House on the Left, 999 00:47:19,077 --> 00:47:21,045 renting it at the store. 1000 00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:23,288 Then I also remember I Spit On Your Grave 1001 00:47:23,323 --> 00:47:25,290 from the time I was 15 I think 1002 00:47:25,325 --> 00:47:27,603 and so I had to have an older friend rent it for me 1003 00:47:27,637 --> 00:47:30,675 actually and he made a bootleg copy of it on video 1004 00:47:30,709 --> 00:47:32,953 with photocopy guard so 1005 00:47:32,988 --> 00:47:34,713 I could watch it in on my own any time. 1006 00:47:34,748 --> 00:47:36,923 Because at the time that movie hadn't really been available 1007 00:47:36,957 --> 00:47:40,029 here other than the Wizard release in America 1008 00:47:40,064 --> 00:47:41,928 and obviously it was a video nasty, 1009 00:47:41,962 --> 00:47:45,414 so it was practically impossible to find at the time. 1010 00:47:45,448 --> 00:47:47,657 So I always have those memories 1011 00:47:47,692 --> 00:47:50,522 and they definitely stick out for that reason. 1012 00:47:50,557 --> 00:47:52,870 - I've got so many favorite video nasties. 1013 00:47:52,904 --> 00:47:54,872 I love Cannibal Ferox. 1014 00:47:54,906 --> 00:47:56,218 That is one of my favorite ones, 1015 00:47:56,252 --> 00:47:58,323 really do love this film, Cannibal Ferox. 1016 00:47:59,773 --> 00:48:02,120 I think this is actually a bootleg copy as well. 1017 00:48:02,983 --> 00:48:04,743 I paid about 50 quid for this. 1018 00:48:05,744 --> 00:48:07,091 I actually remember years ago, 1019 00:48:07,125 --> 00:48:09,990 these did have a small box like this, 1020 00:48:10,025 --> 00:48:12,579 but this one does look like a bootleg version. 1021 00:48:12,613 --> 00:48:16,307 I think this actual label is far too shiny, 1022 00:48:16,341 --> 00:48:17,860 if you can see that one there. 1023 00:48:19,793 --> 00:48:22,002 So I actually think this is a bootleg. 1024 00:48:22,037 --> 00:48:25,799 Cannibal Ferox is one of my favorite all time video nasties. 1025 00:48:25,833 --> 00:48:28,353 I love the actual soundtrack, the score. 1026 00:48:28,388 --> 00:48:29,596 It was so shocking. 1027 00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:31,805 When you actually watch this film, 1028 00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:35,222 I remember seeing this as a bootleg copy 1029 00:48:35,257 --> 00:48:37,949 and it scared the shit out of me, this film. 1030 00:48:37,984 --> 00:48:39,192 It's bloody brilliant. 1031 00:48:39,226 --> 00:48:42,816 That haunting score, you hear this music, 1032 00:48:42,850 --> 00:48:45,819 this synth kind of prog rock music come up, 1033 00:48:45,853 --> 00:48:47,579 the same part all throughout 1034 00:48:47,614 --> 00:48:49,857 and you know there's gonna be a death scene 1035 00:48:49,892 --> 00:48:51,963 or a killing scene, so I think one of my 1036 00:48:51,998 --> 00:48:53,827 all time favorites is Cannibal Ferox. 1037 00:48:53,861 --> 00:48:56,864 [creepy rock music] 1038 00:49:02,180 --> 00:49:04,355 [screams] 1039 00:49:06,184 --> 00:49:09,360 - My favorite video nasty is probably 1040 00:49:09,394 --> 00:49:11,396 it's a tough call but I'd probably say 1041 00:49:11,431 --> 00:49:14,399 either The Evil Dead or Cannibal Holocaust 1042 00:49:14,434 --> 00:49:18,507 because those movies are really balls to the wall 1043 00:49:18,541 --> 00:49:21,889 and really intense and you take the Evil Dead 1044 00:49:21,924 --> 00:49:24,444 that's a little more cartoony 1045 00:49:24,478 --> 00:49:26,687 than Cannibal Holocaust would be. 1046 00:49:26,722 --> 00:49:28,413 Because Cannibal Holocaust was pretty much 1047 00:49:28,448 --> 00:49:31,761 just a documentary, but it's a fake documentary, 1048 00:49:31,796 --> 00:49:34,247 but it's shot entirely like a documentary 1049 00:49:34,281 --> 00:49:37,422 so you're supposed to believe that these things are real. 1050 00:49:37,457 --> 00:49:39,562 And then The Evil Dead you're not supposed 1051 00:49:39,597 --> 00:49:41,357 to believe these things are real. 1052 00:49:41,392 --> 00:49:44,567 It's a very kind of far out there tale 1053 00:49:48,054 --> 00:49:52,334 of just gore and madness. 1054 00:49:52,368 --> 00:49:56,441 Cannibal Holocaust is more along the lines 1055 00:49:56,476 --> 00:49:57,822 is this is what happens on 1056 00:49:57,856 --> 00:49:59,997 the other side of the world type deal, 1057 00:50:01,101 --> 00:50:04,035 which is scary, because it's that unknown. 1058 00:50:04,070 --> 00:50:08,902 You'll probably never find yourself in a situation 1059 00:50:08,936 --> 00:50:12,561 where you'd have to deal with that group of people, 1060 00:50:12,595 --> 00:50:15,184 but it's still scary to know that they're out there. 1061 00:50:16,565 --> 00:50:19,809 - I think for me definitely Flesh For Frankenstein 1062 00:50:19,844 --> 00:50:22,088 as I had been watching all these horror movies, 1063 00:50:22,122 --> 00:50:23,813 when I finally discovered that one, 1064 00:50:23,848 --> 00:50:26,195 actually there was two films, there was Blood for Dracula, 1065 00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:28,542 which were both Andy Warhol films. 1066 00:50:28,577 --> 00:50:30,475 But they're both borderline pornographic 1067 00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:34,824 and I think being a teenager, a pubescent teenager 1068 00:50:34,859 --> 00:50:39,243 starting to get really interested in the other sex. 1069 00:50:40,347 --> 00:50:41,452 And finding these movies 1070 00:50:41,486 --> 00:50:44,041 were sort of borderline pornographic, 1071 00:50:44,075 --> 00:50:46,560 but had the horror and the gore that I really loved, 1072 00:50:46,595 --> 00:50:48,424 so definitely Flesh For Frankenstein, 1073 00:50:48,459 --> 00:50:49,736 that would be my favorite. 1074 00:50:50,978 --> 00:50:53,015 - I would have to say my favorite is Absurd 1075 00:50:53,050 --> 00:50:55,052 and it's actually one of the latest entries 1076 00:50:55,086 --> 00:50:57,813 from my findings, I first heard of it 1077 00:50:57,847 --> 00:51:00,954 from the soundtrack and was immediately blown away by it. 1078 00:51:00,988 --> 00:51:05,131 And as a film, it checks every box for video nasties, 1079 00:51:05,165 --> 00:51:07,961 and of course it's got the great score, 1080 00:51:07,995 --> 00:51:09,273 but the story is good. 1081 00:51:09,307 --> 00:51:11,171 It's intriguing, it's actually one of the few 1082 00:51:11,206 --> 00:51:13,311 that you don't have to check your watch 1083 00:51:13,346 --> 00:51:16,383 and you don't have to fast forward it. 1084 00:51:16,418 --> 00:51:20,007 The story is entertaining and it keeps you entertained. 1085 00:51:20,042 --> 00:51:22,251 It definitely takes a lot from Halloween, 1086 00:51:22,286 --> 00:51:26,013 but that's cool and George Eastman rules. 1087 00:51:26,048 --> 00:51:30,017 It delivers on very, checks every box. 1088 00:51:30,052 --> 00:51:32,951 - I guess maybe around here we called them 1089 00:51:32,986 --> 00:51:37,991 bootleg the old VHSes back in the day, 1090 00:51:39,165 --> 00:51:42,099 you'd see guys selling out of a trunk of a car. 1091 00:51:43,686 --> 00:51:46,482 Some people because they rip people off 1092 00:51:46,517 --> 00:51:48,174 and in some cases because they were too violent 1093 00:51:48,208 --> 00:51:50,693 and sexually explicit. 1094 00:51:50,728 --> 00:51:55,698 Now this stuff was very sought after when I was a kid, 1095 00:51:56,941 --> 00:52:00,358 because there was no video on demand. 1096 00:52:00,393 --> 00:52:04,397 There was no Amazon Prime or Vimeo 1097 00:52:04,431 --> 00:52:07,400 so people couldn't find these things. 1098 00:52:07,434 --> 00:52:08,849 They had to exchange them. 1099 00:52:10,023 --> 00:52:11,542 It's kind of creepy if you think about it, 1100 00:52:11,576 --> 00:52:16,581 it's like a dark web of inappropriate VHS movies, 1101 00:52:17,962 --> 00:52:22,587 but I think that it really built up independent film-making 1102 00:52:24,382 --> 00:52:27,316 in a big way and I personally feel 1103 00:52:29,284 --> 00:52:30,940 without some of the video nasties 1104 00:52:30,975 --> 00:52:35,980 and how they were exchanged almost illegally 1105 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:38,810 or illegally in some countries, some states. 1106 00:52:39,984 --> 00:52:42,089 I think without that you wouldn't have seen 1107 00:52:42,124 --> 00:52:45,955 such a surge of independent film makers 1108 00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:50,581 who later did move on to the Hollywood level in the 90s. 1109 00:52:50,615 --> 00:52:53,722 You saw a lot of people get their start 1110 00:52:53,756 --> 00:52:55,206 working on these movies 1111 00:52:55,241 --> 00:52:59,762 that it was so shocking everybody wanted to see it. 1112 00:53:00,936 --> 00:53:03,835 It had either the insane gore effects 1113 00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:07,736 or a sex scene that was crazy for its time. 1114 00:53:08,875 --> 00:53:11,360 You know very low budget stuff 1115 00:53:11,395 --> 00:53:14,881 and personally the last couple of movies I've done 1116 00:53:14,915 --> 00:53:18,056 such as Witchhunt and Parts Unknown, 1117 00:53:18,091 --> 00:53:23,096 I think I've modeled a lot of what I've done 1118 00:53:24,511 --> 00:53:26,789 as a director around some of these so-called video nasties. 1119 00:53:26,824 --> 00:53:30,345 Because they were shot on much smaller budgets. 1120 00:53:32,036 --> 00:53:35,177 I think the budget wasn't what was important. 1121 00:53:36,074 --> 00:53:38,836 It was what was accomplished. 1122 00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:43,875 And what was accomplished was creating almost this 1123 00:53:46,706 --> 00:53:49,985 taboo situation where you can go 1124 00:53:50,019 --> 00:53:51,780 and watch one of these things. 1125 00:53:51,814 --> 00:53:53,782 You weren't seeing in a theater. 1126 00:53:54,886 --> 00:53:56,716 They were hard to find, hard to track down 1127 00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:58,890 and you had something that somebody didn't. 1128 00:54:00,306 --> 00:54:02,342 It wasn't just because it was hard-to-get movie either. 1129 00:54:02,377 --> 00:54:05,552 It was because it actually had 1130 00:54:05,587 --> 00:54:07,209 the sex scene and violence in it 1131 00:54:08,383 --> 00:54:09,591 and the good stuff that I think 1132 00:54:09,625 --> 00:54:11,524 sometimes we don't get to see anymore. 1133 00:54:12,973 --> 00:54:17,461 As our society changes and becomes a little bit more PC 1134 00:54:17,495 --> 00:54:22,155 and we're not allowed to show stuff in film, 1135 00:54:22,189 --> 00:54:25,883 I think there's gonna be a big someday a big resurgence 1136 00:54:25,917 --> 00:54:28,955 in this underground film making. 1137 00:54:28,989 --> 00:54:33,718 And a way to bring this back for fans of this genre, 1138 00:54:34,788 --> 00:54:36,342 I'd say anyone watching his is probably 1139 00:54:36,376 --> 00:54:37,653 a fan of this genre, 1140 00:54:39,034 --> 00:54:43,280 is to go and support the local horror conventions 1141 00:54:43,314 --> 00:54:46,490 and some of the local people that set up shop 1142 00:54:46,524 --> 00:54:48,561 at these small events. 1143 00:54:48,595 --> 00:54:51,874 Because they're the ones selling the stuff now. 1144 00:54:53,324 --> 00:54:55,844 The Amazon Primes and all that stuff, that's cool, 1145 00:54:55,878 --> 00:54:58,191 but what you're gonna see on there 1146 00:54:58,225 --> 00:54:59,675 and Netflix and all that is probably 1147 00:54:59,710 --> 00:55:01,332 more of what you've already seen. 1148 00:55:02,471 --> 00:55:05,957 So hopefully someday we get to back to this, 1149 00:55:05,992 --> 00:55:08,857 it might not be VHS, it might be on Blu-Ray 1150 00:55:12,067 --> 00:55:15,864 or even digital, but someday I hope there's a way 1151 00:55:15,898 --> 00:55:17,452 to kind of trade these movies again. 1152 00:55:17,486 --> 00:55:21,559 I think it got a lot of people their start. 1153 00:55:21,594 --> 00:55:23,458 It found a lot of fans. 1154 00:55:25,874 --> 00:55:29,360 That's kind of my feeling about the importance 1155 00:55:29,395 --> 00:55:33,053 of the so-called video nasties 1156 00:55:33,088 --> 00:55:35,193 and what they did for people like me 1157 00:55:36,367 --> 00:55:41,027 who make low budget material. 1158 00:55:41,061 --> 00:55:43,478 - I got into video nasties 1159 00:55:43,512 --> 00:55:46,239 as around it might be around '98, '99 time 1160 00:55:46,619 --> 00:55:48,655 when they were still banned, but it was right before 1161 00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:50,519 James Furman left the BBFC. 1162 00:55:53,936 --> 00:55:57,388 All these films started to become unbanned 1163 00:55:57,423 --> 00:56:00,736 and were starting to get certificates and stuff. 1164 00:56:00,771 --> 00:56:03,221 So I got into the video nasties at a time 1165 00:56:03,256 --> 00:56:06,224 when they were still banned and then I saw 1166 00:56:06,259 --> 00:56:10,505 the point when they started to get re-released. 1167 00:56:12,817 --> 00:56:14,405 When they were still banned I remember 1168 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,512 my other school and a friend of mine 1169 00:56:17,546 --> 00:56:20,204 I'd always had an interest in horror films 1170 00:56:20,238 --> 00:56:22,448 and extreme films so the video nasties 1171 00:56:22,482 --> 00:56:24,242 were something that always fascinated me. 1172 00:56:25,658 --> 00:56:28,626 That idea these films that you shouldn't watch, 1173 00:56:28,661 --> 00:56:32,147 that they've been banned somehow dangerous or whatever, 1174 00:56:32,181 --> 00:56:35,426 if you watched them they could be disturbing to you 1175 00:56:35,461 --> 00:56:36,807 and say that when you were at school, 1176 00:56:36,841 --> 00:56:40,189 that just makes you want to find all these films. 1177 00:56:40,224 --> 00:56:44,090 At that time a friend of mine he came across an advert 1178 00:56:44,124 --> 00:56:47,265 on the back Darling Free Ads newspaper magazine, 1179 00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:48,853 if anybody remembers that. 1180 00:56:48,888 --> 00:56:51,580 Someone was sending copies of The Exorcist. 1181 00:56:51,615 --> 00:56:54,480 Then he asked about nasties, if he had any other tapes 1182 00:56:56,482 --> 00:56:59,450 and he had a whole list, he had pretty much 1183 00:56:59,485 --> 00:57:00,693 the whole video nasties. 1184 00:57:00,727 --> 00:57:04,800 He had loads of obscure, cult hard-to-find films. 1185 00:57:08,183 --> 00:57:10,806 That's where I basically started seeing these things. 1186 00:57:10,841 --> 00:57:14,258 We would spend I think he used to do two for 10 quid 1187 00:57:14,292 --> 00:57:16,985 or two for 15 pounds, he'd put two films into one tape 1188 00:57:18,435 --> 00:57:19,884 I used to start buying those, 1189 00:57:19,919 --> 00:57:23,474 I think all of them from laser discs or pre-seller copies. 1190 00:57:23,509 --> 00:57:25,925 My first experience to the video nasties 1191 00:57:25,959 --> 00:57:27,789 was just all through bootleg copies. 1192 00:57:27,823 --> 00:57:29,307 But his ones were really good quality. 1193 00:57:29,342 --> 00:57:32,725 I remember a friend who also had another guy selling them. 1194 00:57:32,759 --> 00:57:36,280 And they were fifth, sixth, seventh generation copies 1195 00:57:36,314 --> 00:57:37,730 and they were almost unwatchable, 1196 00:57:37,764 --> 00:57:41,837 but this guy from the Darling Free Ads magazine, 1197 00:57:41,872 --> 00:57:43,805 his stuff was always like amazing quality. 1198 00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:45,945 I think they were all from laser discs he got them. 1199 00:57:48,395 --> 00:57:51,537 Then around that time I actually started 1200 00:57:51,571 --> 00:57:53,780 making bootlegs as well to sell on eBay. 1201 00:57:53,815 --> 00:57:55,230 Like I said at the time this is when they were 1202 00:57:55,264 --> 00:57:56,645 still banned and you couldn't get them 1203 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,198 so I used to make copies. 1204 00:57:59,717 --> 00:58:01,512 Used to get four-hour tapes and put two films 1205 00:58:01,547 --> 00:58:02,996 that were kind of connected one tape 1206 00:58:03,031 --> 00:58:05,171 and stick them on eBay and send them for like 10 pound, 1207 00:58:05,205 --> 00:58:08,450 15 pound a pop each time. 1208 00:58:08,485 --> 00:58:11,488 Stuff like Cannibal Holocaust and Cannibal Ferox would go onto one tape. 1209 00:58:11,522 --> 00:58:13,662 I Spit On Your Grave and Last House on the Left 1210 00:58:13,697 --> 00:58:14,905 would go on another tape. 1211 00:58:14,939 --> 00:58:16,700 Occasionally you'd get bootlegs from people 1212 00:58:16,734 --> 00:58:18,805 saying they didn't realize they were buying bootlegs 1213 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,532 and your account would be closed down. 1214 00:58:21,567 --> 00:58:24,742 - So did I ever own any bootlegs of the video nasties? 1215 00:58:24,777 --> 00:58:28,263 God yes, I tell you, this is a really great story. 1216 00:58:28,297 --> 00:58:31,611 In about '96, '97, this is before the Internet 1217 00:58:31,646 --> 00:58:34,511 was really big, e-mail might have been used 1218 00:58:34,545 --> 00:58:35,995 by some people that I knew. 1219 00:58:36,029 --> 00:58:41,034 But in '96 to '97 I started doing mail trading 1220 00:58:42,208 --> 00:58:45,452 of movies on VHS where we would send dupes. 1221 00:58:47,213 --> 00:58:49,664 Through e-mail you would make contacts with people. 1222 00:58:49,698 --> 00:58:52,287 I guess they did have websites up which is really 1223 00:58:52,321 --> 00:58:55,083 how you would find people, but they were into trades, 1224 00:58:55,117 --> 00:58:56,947 so somebody would have their list 1225 00:58:56,981 --> 00:58:58,535 of what movies they had 1226 00:58:58,569 --> 00:59:01,330 and you would have a list of what movies you had and we would swap lists. 1227 00:59:01,365 --> 00:59:02,573 And of course we'd make a deal. 1228 00:59:02,608 --> 00:59:04,679 You say well geez, I would really love 1229 00:59:04,713 --> 00:59:05,680 to get this, this and this 1230 00:59:05,714 --> 00:59:07,164 and then the guy on the other end 1231 00:59:07,198 --> 00:59:09,062 would pick same amount of movies from your list. 1232 00:59:09,097 --> 00:59:13,170 You would make the copies if you were a reputable trader, 1233 00:59:13,204 --> 00:59:14,585 you would buy brand new video tapes 1234 00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:16,138 and make the copies onto those. 1235 00:59:16,173 --> 00:59:18,382 I guess some people might have used previously used 1236 00:59:18,416 --> 00:59:20,453 blank tapes, which was the 1237 00:59:20,487 --> 00:59:21,834 shittiest thing to do for somebody. 1238 00:59:21,868 --> 00:59:24,043 But anyway you're buy blank tapes, 1239 00:59:24,077 --> 00:59:25,976 copy the movie you had, so you're making 1240 00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:28,668 your third or fourth generation movie 1241 00:59:28,703 --> 00:59:31,257 onto a fifth or sixth generation movie 1242 00:59:31,291 --> 00:59:33,880 because everybody is trading a dupe of a dupe of a dupe 1243 00:59:33,915 --> 00:59:35,986 and then you mail them in the mail. 1244 00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:37,815 Well this went on for me for a few years 1245 00:59:37,850 --> 00:59:41,819 and I got so many movies through the mail trading. 1246 00:59:41,854 --> 00:59:44,339 Cannibal Holocaust, Cannibal Ferox, 1247 00:59:44,373 --> 00:59:46,168 Beyond the Darkness, I got that one. 1248 00:59:46,203 --> 00:59:49,206 I got everything you see, uncut Friday the 13th Part One. 1249 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:54,245 These were all the movies that were not on DVD at all yet. 1250 00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:57,283 They were not being re-released and remastered. 1251 00:59:57,317 --> 00:59:59,941 They were still on very ropey old tapes. 1252 00:59:59,975 --> 01:00:03,151 Another company I'm aware of was of course Midnight Video. 1253 01:00:03,185 --> 01:00:04,635 They were selling it at the time. 1254 01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:06,913 A lot of people I knew had that movie 1255 01:00:06,948 --> 01:00:08,674 or Midnight movie tapes 1256 01:00:08,708 --> 01:00:10,779 and they were making dupes of that to trade. 1257 01:00:10,814 --> 01:00:12,781 So I got Anthropothigast and stuff 1258 01:00:13,886 --> 01:00:17,199 and the Midnight Video Anthropothigast 1259 01:00:17,234 --> 01:00:18,684 was made up of different sources. 1260 01:00:18,718 --> 01:00:21,790 So when it came to see George Eastman 1261 01:00:21,825 --> 01:00:25,173 reach into the woman and pull out the fetus to eat her 1262 01:00:25,207 --> 01:00:26,933 that particular piece of footage 1263 01:00:26,968 --> 01:00:30,178 was coming in this very, very washed out 1264 01:00:30,212 --> 01:00:32,870 blurry piece of video and then would cut out 1265 01:00:32,905 --> 01:00:34,872 sort of washed out video where you saw 1266 01:00:34,907 --> 01:00:36,080 the rest of the movie. 1267 01:00:36,115 --> 01:00:38,531 So you had different composites put together. 1268 01:00:38,565 --> 01:00:40,671 - So yeah, I remember when I was a kid, 1269 01:00:40,706 --> 01:00:45,642 the one in the United States everybody wanted to see 1270 01:00:49,093 --> 01:00:51,578 Faces of Death, that was the big thing. 1271 01:00:51,613 --> 01:00:56,169 If you had a VHS of Faces of Death, you were like a king. 1272 01:00:56,204 --> 01:00:58,655 You'd go into a party and be like hey, 1273 01:00:58,689 --> 01:01:03,383 I bought this off of some dude on the street 1274 01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:07,871 and everybody would gather around the TV and watch this 1275 01:01:07,905 --> 01:01:10,701 I have no idea if that's actually real or not. 1276 01:01:10,736 --> 01:01:11,737 I feel like it's mixed. 1277 01:01:11,771 --> 01:01:16,776 It was just that suspense I think 1278 01:01:18,191 --> 01:01:20,607 really paved the way for things like The Blair Witch, 1279 01:01:20,642 --> 01:01:25,129 the found footage films that excitement of 1280 01:01:26,579 --> 01:01:30,721 I'm seeing something that's nobody supposed to see. 1281 01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:36,244 I think it really captured what independent film 1282 01:01:36,278 --> 01:01:41,283 is supposed to be and not a system of Hollywood B 1283 01:01:42,422 --> 01:01:46,910 which is what we tend to get on a lot of the video-on-demand services. 1284 01:01:46,944 --> 01:01:49,015 - One of the next things that I have here 1285 01:01:50,568 --> 01:01:52,985 is actually bootleg copy of Tenebrae. 1286 01:01:53,019 --> 01:01:57,334 This was a copy of the Video Media release as you can see, 1287 01:01:57,368 --> 01:02:00,786 but it's a totally photocopied cover art. 1288 01:02:01,925 --> 01:02:03,892 And also something interesting about it, 1289 01:02:03,927 --> 01:02:05,376 you can see here maybe is that it's got 1290 01:02:05,411 --> 01:02:08,517 the British rating on it instead of the American one. 1291 01:02:08,552 --> 01:02:10,243 It's sort of all over the place here, 1292 01:02:10,278 --> 01:02:13,488 but this is the way I first saw the film. 1293 01:02:13,522 --> 01:02:16,180 It's what interested me to not only Dario Argento's movies, 1294 01:02:16,215 --> 01:02:18,010 but Italian movies as well. 1295 01:02:19,183 --> 01:02:20,771 That seen at the end with the girl 1296 01:02:20,806 --> 01:02:22,083 that gets her arm chopped off 1297 01:02:22,117 --> 01:02:23,843 and sprays blood all over the wall 1298 01:02:23,878 --> 01:02:25,396 was sort of life changing for me 1299 01:02:25,431 --> 01:02:28,537 because that's the moment I realized horror was art. 1300 01:02:29,953 --> 01:02:32,610 This movie will always stand out to me for that reason. 1301 01:02:32,645 --> 01:02:34,716 Even though this is a bootleg copy 1302 01:02:34,751 --> 01:02:37,305 and I of course have better versions of this to watch 1303 01:02:37,339 --> 01:02:38,996 I'm always gonna hold onto this, 1304 01:02:39,031 --> 01:02:40,791 because this is what started my love for Italian horror, 1305 01:02:40,826 --> 01:02:43,587 this very bootleg release of Tenebrae. 1306 01:02:43,621 --> 01:02:46,141 - I did own one banned film. 1307 01:02:46,176 --> 01:02:47,902 I remember in Melbourne, Victoria, 1308 01:02:47,936 --> 01:02:49,489 there weren't a lot of films banned. 1309 01:02:49,524 --> 01:02:51,112 I mean the Driller Killer was. 1310 01:02:51,146 --> 01:02:53,321 I think Silent Night, Deadly Night perhaps. 1311 01:02:53,355 --> 01:02:55,806 Some of these films you could into state. 1312 01:02:57,014 --> 01:02:59,534 I remember a friend of mine came to me knowing how much I adored horror 1313 01:02:59,568 --> 01:03:01,812 and he'd been to the States and he picked me up 1314 01:03:01,847 --> 01:03:04,332 a copy of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, 1315 01:03:04,366 --> 01:03:05,851 and I remember that was banned. 1316 01:03:05,885 --> 01:03:09,544 I was the only guy I knew that had this video tape, 1317 01:03:09,578 --> 01:03:12,098 and so attracted a lot of friends to come and watch it. 1318 01:03:12,133 --> 01:03:13,686 And that was a banned film, 1319 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,136 so that was probably one of the only ones 1320 01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:18,587 that I really owned at the time that did have the stigma. 1321 01:03:18,622 --> 01:03:21,349 - I did own a lot of bootleg because I was on a quest 1322 01:03:21,383 --> 01:03:24,179 to try and own all of the video nasties, 1323 01:03:24,214 --> 01:03:27,493 so I literally did own, I still do now 1324 01:03:27,527 --> 01:03:30,565 so I've got a lot of bootleg copies of stuff like that. 1325 01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:33,879 I had these tapes and it was stuck on the side, 1326 01:03:33,913 --> 01:03:37,883 hand written Driller Killer and stuff like that on there. 1327 01:03:37,917 --> 01:03:42,370 - Yes, I owned several bootlegs actually of these movies. 1328 01:03:42,404 --> 01:03:45,649 Growing up back then, they weren't that accessible. 1329 01:03:45,683 --> 01:03:47,754 You couldn't just walk into a Best Buy 1330 01:03:47,789 --> 01:03:50,723 if you wanted to buy a movie like this. 1331 01:03:50,757 --> 01:03:52,932 You had to track them down. 1332 01:03:52,967 --> 01:03:54,520 You had to do your research. 1333 01:03:54,554 --> 01:03:58,110 Usually, they were second, third, fourth generation copies. 1334 01:03:58,144 --> 01:04:01,147 They were squiggly and grainy and looked like crap 1335 01:04:01,182 --> 01:04:04,737 and you could barely tell what was happening sometimes. 1336 01:04:04,771 --> 01:04:06,428 It was in a lot of ways really cool 1337 01:04:06,463 --> 01:04:07,844 because you knew that this 1338 01:04:07,878 --> 01:04:09,328 was the only way to see the movie. 1339 01:04:09,362 --> 01:04:11,123 You were seeing something that not everybody else saw. 1340 01:04:11,157 --> 01:04:13,884 - So they were a bit thing, the bootleg copies, 1341 01:04:13,919 --> 01:04:15,092 because they were just going around. 1342 01:04:15,127 --> 01:04:17,336 I mean when I was a kid in teenage years, 1343 01:04:17,370 --> 01:04:18,578 it was bootleg copies. 1344 01:04:18,613 --> 01:04:21,409 You never saw a real copy of a video nasty. 1345 01:04:21,443 --> 01:04:26,172 So from about '85 to about 2000 or even 2001, 1346 01:04:26,207 --> 01:04:28,554 you had these bootleg VHS copies 1347 01:04:28,588 --> 01:04:31,729 and bootleg DVD copies in circulation. 1348 01:04:31,764 --> 01:04:33,386 So you're watching these, sometimes it was like 1349 01:04:33,421 --> 01:04:35,388 a fifth generation bootleg 1350 01:04:35,423 --> 01:04:37,459 of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre you were watching 1351 01:04:37,494 --> 01:04:39,358 or something like that. 1352 01:04:39,392 --> 01:04:42,430 - It's funny because it's given me a really high tolerance 1353 01:04:42,464 --> 01:04:45,019 for low-quality transfers 1354 01:04:45,053 --> 01:04:46,158 because I just grew up watching 1355 01:04:46,192 --> 01:04:47,469 a whole lot of bootleg movies. 1356 01:04:47,504 --> 01:04:49,368 Nowadays it doesn't bother me. 1357 01:04:49,402 --> 01:04:52,612 I can watch really horrible stuff on YouTube and I don't blink an eye. 1358 01:04:52,647 --> 01:04:54,373 It's part of growing up watching those bootlegs 1359 01:04:54,407 --> 01:04:57,410 and it's still sort of exciting if I'm at a flea market now 1360 01:04:57,445 --> 01:04:59,896 or garage sale and I find a bootleg of an old horror movie, 1361 01:04:59,930 --> 01:05:01,621 I definitely snatch it up. 1362 01:05:01,656 --> 01:05:02,553 It's nostalgic. 1363 01:05:02,588 --> 01:05:04,038 It's really cool and unique 1364 01:05:04,072 --> 01:05:06,626 and it's exciting to watch a movie like that sometimes. 1365 01:05:06,661 --> 01:05:09,181 It adds a lot to the mystique of the movie. 1366 01:05:12,529 --> 01:05:13,979 - [Announcer] See Abel Ferrera as Reno Miller, 1367 01:05:15,083 --> 01:05:16,498 a man driven to the very edge. 1368 01:05:17,637 --> 01:05:19,812 [moaning] 1369 01:05:22,194 --> 01:05:24,023 And then beyond. 1370 01:05:24,058 --> 01:05:29,063 [drill rattling] [screaming] 1371 01:05:35,138 --> 01:05:36,587 The Driller Killer is coming. 1372 01:05:38,106 --> 01:05:39,280 - The Driller Killer when it came out 1373 01:05:39,314 --> 01:05:40,971 I remember was a very controversial film 1374 01:05:41,006 --> 01:05:43,905 because they had all this rumor going on at the time 1375 01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:46,183 that when Abel Ferrara made the film 1376 01:05:46,218 --> 01:05:48,668 and starred in it that he was actually killing down and outs. 1377 01:05:48,703 --> 01:05:51,016 Because the people in the film 1378 01:05:51,050 --> 01:05:52,845 really looked like down and outs. 1379 01:05:52,879 --> 01:05:54,467 Some of them probably were and they were paid 1380 01:05:54,502 --> 01:05:56,883 a few dollars to become part of this movie. 1381 01:05:58,161 --> 01:06:00,542 I always found that very disturbing 1382 01:06:00,577 --> 01:06:03,580 for years after seeing it and then experiencing again 1383 01:06:03,614 --> 01:06:05,962 over the years and the decades. 1384 01:06:05,996 --> 01:06:08,516 I've still found it a very troubling film. 1385 01:06:08,550 --> 01:06:12,278 I think because it's incredibly realistic on one aspect 1386 01:06:12,313 --> 01:06:14,004 and a little over the top in others 1387 01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:16,041 in terms of the performance. 1388 01:06:16,075 --> 01:06:17,214 The performance of Abel Ferrara himself 1389 01:06:17,249 --> 01:06:20,769 it's mixed, it's very strong at times. 1390 01:06:20,804 --> 01:06:24,049 And then it's so wild it's like do I quite believe that? 1391 01:06:24,083 --> 01:06:27,328 But it was shot in such a lurid style 1392 01:06:27,362 --> 01:06:28,950 that you couldn't help be sucked into 1393 01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:31,953 that grimy, horrible underworld. 1394 01:06:31,988 --> 01:06:34,024 And then when the murders you were like 1395 01:06:34,059 --> 01:06:37,234 oh my God, is this happening for real? 1396 01:06:37,269 --> 01:06:40,893 So in a way, even though it's not found footage, 1397 01:06:40,927 --> 01:06:43,965 it kind of feels like a mockumentary-style film, 1398 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,141 which would have been one of the first of that kind. 1399 01:06:47,175 --> 01:06:51,041 Driller Killer is a film that's always stayed with me 1400 01:06:51,076 --> 01:06:55,011 for its level of violence, grungy atmosphere 1401 01:06:55,045 --> 01:06:59,981 and general feeling of dismay and overall horror. 1402 01:07:02,259 --> 01:07:06,160 - [Announcer] Faces of Death, now a major motion picture. 1403 01:07:06,194 --> 01:07:11,096 - Faces of Death, the mother of all Mondo movies. 1404 01:07:11,130 --> 01:07:13,167 Oh, where to start with this one. 1405 01:07:13,201 --> 01:07:15,548 In a nutshell, it's a documentary about dying. 1406 01:07:16,756 --> 01:07:19,311 It's pretty tame compared to what 1407 01:07:19,345 --> 01:07:20,795 a lot of people think about it. 1408 01:07:20,829 --> 01:07:22,831 A lot of people think it's a flat out snuff movie 1409 01:07:22,866 --> 01:07:24,902 where you see real people getting murdered on video 1410 01:07:24,937 --> 01:07:26,559 and that's not at all what it is. 1411 01:07:26,594 --> 01:07:30,011 It's got a narrator, he basically discusses 1412 01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:32,427 the whole cycle of life 1413 01:07:32,462 --> 01:07:36,086 and what really happens to us when we pass on. 1414 01:07:36,121 --> 01:07:38,537 They examine it throughout different cultures 1415 01:07:38,571 --> 01:07:40,677 and they look at the different traditions 1416 01:07:40,711 --> 01:07:45,371 that different people do around death in their own cultures. 1417 01:07:46,545 --> 01:07:48,892 It's got some pretty notorious scenes, 1418 01:07:48,926 --> 01:07:51,860 like a man that is caught on fire. 1419 01:07:53,103 --> 01:07:54,449 I think that the original movie 1420 01:07:54,484 --> 01:07:56,934 is the movie with the monkey brains. 1421 01:07:58,522 --> 01:08:01,456 There's quite a few scenes that really make this movie 1422 01:08:01,491 --> 01:08:06,461 stand out, but it's notorious for being mostly fake. 1423 01:08:06,496 --> 01:08:07,842 A lot of the stuff was staged. 1424 01:08:07,876 --> 01:08:10,569 It's come to light now throughout various documentaries 1425 01:08:10,603 --> 01:08:12,157 and information on the Internet 1426 01:08:12,191 --> 01:08:16,230 that the re-enacted a lot of the stuff. 1427 01:08:16,264 --> 01:08:18,646 I think that the scene that takes place 1428 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,234 in the Middle East with the monkeys 1429 01:08:20,268 --> 01:08:22,028 was supposed to take place on 1430 01:08:22,063 --> 01:08:24,307 a tradition somewhere in Russia. 1431 01:08:24,341 --> 01:08:26,205 So they changed a lot of things 1432 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,553 to not offend so many cultures when the movie came out, 1433 01:08:29,588 --> 01:08:32,384 but to me the movie's just a big spectacle. 1434 01:08:32,418 --> 01:08:36,319 The fear surrounding the movie with parents, 1435 01:08:36,353 --> 01:08:38,735 the fact that you couldn't find it anywhere, 1436 01:08:38,769 --> 01:08:40,426 you had to ask for it some places 1437 01:08:40,461 --> 01:08:41,841 or it was in a special section 1438 01:08:41,876 --> 01:08:44,637 with the other death movies or pornography even. 1439 01:08:44,672 --> 01:08:46,536 You had to be 18 to get it. 1440 01:08:46,570 --> 01:08:48,814 That always really appealed to me 1441 01:08:48,848 --> 01:08:50,091 and made the movie probably more exciting 1442 01:08:50,126 --> 01:08:52,231 than it is to watch, because like I said 1443 01:08:52,266 --> 01:08:55,510 it's a pretty by-the-number 70s documentary. 1444 01:08:55,545 --> 01:08:57,063 It's just focused on death. 1445 01:08:57,098 --> 01:08:58,824 I think that even today it's the type of thing 1446 01:08:58,858 --> 01:09:01,758 you could probably show to a high school class 1447 01:09:01,792 --> 01:09:03,380 and nobody would bat an eye. 1448 01:09:03,415 --> 01:09:04,657 Everybody would be on their phones 1449 01:09:04,692 --> 01:09:06,832 watching stuff more extreme on YouTube. 1450 01:09:06,866 --> 01:09:09,075 It's funny because those movies 1451 01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:11,077 will stick out and be the most extreme, 1452 01:09:11,112 --> 01:09:15,289 but by today's standards they're almost a joke. 1453 01:09:15,323 --> 01:09:19,638 I think that that whole series really stands out 1454 01:09:19,672 --> 01:09:21,950 against the other video nasties 1455 01:09:21,985 --> 01:09:24,160 just because it's sort of the real deal 1456 01:09:24,194 --> 01:09:27,611 and it was the first of its kind when it came out. 1457 01:09:27,646 --> 01:09:29,406 - I remember another series of video nasties 1458 01:09:29,441 --> 01:09:33,893 which was quite horrific at the time to be quite frank. 1459 01:09:33,928 --> 01:09:36,586 Faces of Death, do you remember those? 1460 01:09:36,620 --> 01:09:38,588 It was a series of films, video films 1461 01:09:38,622 --> 01:09:40,486 with apparently people actually dying. 1462 01:09:40,521 --> 01:09:42,074 Well I wouldn't want to watch them now 1463 01:09:42,108 --> 01:09:43,282 and it actually turns me stomach 1464 01:09:43,317 --> 01:09:45,284 to think I watched them back then. 1465 01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:46,734 But there was one that I remember 1466 01:09:46,768 --> 01:09:49,426 and it was a chap in a gas chamber 1467 01:09:49,461 --> 01:09:51,842 and you actually had the cameraman in the gas chamber. 1468 01:09:51,877 --> 01:09:54,328 Even as a kid I thought hold on, this can't be right. 1469 01:09:54,362 --> 01:09:56,985 Then it turned out most of them were faked. 1470 01:09:57,020 --> 01:09:58,504 Then there was one of a magician 1471 01:09:58,539 --> 01:10:00,541 and mostly goes round and he's trying to cut himself 1472 01:10:00,575 --> 01:10:02,957 out of something and these knives come down 1473 01:10:02,991 --> 01:10:04,510 and go into his head and he dies. 1474 01:10:04,545 --> 01:10:06,995 He's so obviously it was a rubber head or something 1475 01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:08,963 or plastic or wax head, 1476 01:10:08,997 --> 01:10:12,656 but then you still had some what still appears to me 1477 01:10:12,691 --> 01:10:14,727 genuine footage of people dying. 1478 01:10:14,762 --> 01:10:16,591 THere's one terrible scene where a chap 1479 01:10:16,626 --> 01:10:18,835 gets out of a car in Africa or somewhere 1480 01:10:18,869 --> 01:10:20,492 and he's filming this lioness. 1481 01:10:20,526 --> 01:10:23,357 They cut to actually him filming it on this teeny camera 1482 01:10:23,391 --> 01:10:26,601 and then this other lion comes up from behind him 1483 01:10:26,636 --> 01:10:28,569 and attacks him and kills him. 1484 01:10:28,603 --> 01:10:31,088 All the people are screaming 1485 01:10:31,123 --> 01:10:32,262 and they have the footage of him 1486 01:10:32,297 --> 01:10:34,368 being put in a car in a body bag. 1487 01:10:34,402 --> 01:10:35,886 So that was pretty horrific. 1488 01:10:35,921 --> 01:10:37,509 I wouldn't want to watch them again I didn't think. 1489 01:10:37,543 --> 01:10:39,235 - Some of the sickest video nasty, 1490 01:10:39,269 --> 01:10:42,307 I would say the craziest, goriest, sickest one 1491 01:10:42,341 --> 01:10:45,102 out of the whole lot would be Faces of Death. 1492 01:10:45,137 --> 01:10:47,760 [droning music] 1493 01:10:49,210 --> 01:10:50,418 - [Announcer] Now a motion picture dares 1494 01:10:50,453 --> 01:10:52,282 to take you beyond the threshold of the living 1495 01:10:52,317 --> 01:10:55,527 where you may discover your own face of death. 1496 01:10:56,769 --> 01:10:59,324 - I think that film is really sick. 1497 01:10:59,358 --> 01:11:01,153 I mean there's actually, is there real killings 1498 01:11:01,187 --> 01:11:02,396 in that film or not? 1499 01:11:02,430 --> 01:11:04,294 I don't know because I've never actually 1500 01:11:04,329 --> 01:11:06,020 got the whole way through it. 1501 01:11:06,054 --> 01:11:08,885 I've put it on before, but it actually turns my stomach. 1502 01:11:08,919 --> 01:11:10,369 There was that big thing in the 80s 1503 01:11:10,404 --> 01:11:13,027 where they were deemed to be eating monkey brains 1504 01:11:13,061 --> 01:11:15,063 and we've got prime ministers, MPs, 1505 01:11:15,098 --> 01:11:18,239 saying they're eating monkey brains for God sake in that. 1506 01:11:18,274 --> 01:11:19,482 They weren't. 1507 01:11:19,516 --> 01:11:21,967 It was all fake anyway, which was totally crazy. 1508 01:11:22,001 --> 01:11:25,626 But Faces of Death has to be the sickest, craziest film. 1509 01:11:25,660 --> 01:11:27,628 I think the film that you'd crown 1510 01:11:27,662 --> 01:11:32,115 the king of the video nasty would be I Spit On Your Grave. 1511 01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:35,360 That poster art, that whole cover is synonymous 1512 01:11:35,394 --> 01:11:39,571 of being the queen, king of the video nasty. 1513 01:11:39,605 --> 01:11:41,952 It's such an amazing film. 1514 01:11:41,987 --> 01:11:43,195 It's really brilliant. 1515 01:11:43,229 --> 01:11:45,680 - Faces of Death was actually created 1516 01:11:45,715 --> 01:11:47,682 for the Japanese film market. 1517 01:11:47,717 --> 01:11:49,063 It was a movie called Junk. 1518 01:11:49,097 --> 01:11:50,582 It was released there that way. 1519 01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:55,587 They tested it with American audiences and it caught on, 1520 01:11:55,621 --> 01:11:57,105 so they dropped it on home video 1521 01:11:57,140 --> 01:11:59,142 and it ended up becoming a really popular American series 1522 01:11:59,176 --> 01:12:00,488 known as Faces of Death. 1523 01:12:01,627 --> 01:12:02,801 A lot of people also don't know 1524 01:12:02,835 --> 01:12:04,975 is that almost every installment of the film 1525 01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:08,600 was released in a different version in other countries. 1526 01:12:08,634 --> 01:12:11,085 Notoriously Faces of Death 3, 1527 01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:12,362 it's not actually on the list, 1528 01:12:12,397 --> 01:12:14,122 but it's a sequel to the original. 1529 01:12:14,157 --> 01:12:18,403 That was released as Fear in most parts of Europe 1530 01:12:18,437 --> 01:12:20,266 and it had a completely different narrator, 1531 01:12:20,301 --> 01:12:23,200 totally different scenes, it was edited completely different 1532 01:12:23,235 --> 01:12:24,443 and in some ways it's a lot better 1533 01:12:24,478 --> 01:12:28,033 than the American version that came out. 1534 01:12:28,067 --> 01:12:30,932 Of course there's several versions that were released 1535 01:12:30,967 --> 01:12:32,796 of Last House on the Left. 1536 01:12:32,831 --> 01:12:35,730 America first got the R-rated version 1537 01:12:35,765 --> 01:12:37,214 when it came out to theaters, 1538 01:12:37,249 --> 01:12:39,769 but then we did eventually get the uncut version 1539 01:12:39,803 --> 01:12:41,978 on home video even though it was missing 1540 01:12:42,012 --> 01:12:44,946 a lot of the gore that Wes Craven had shot. 1541 01:12:44,981 --> 01:12:46,465 It was still a little bit longer 1542 01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:49,330 than what the UK got for example. 1543 01:12:50,538 --> 01:12:54,439 - Definitely Faces of Death would have to be 1544 01:12:54,473 --> 01:12:57,442 the most sadistic I mean when I first heard the name, 1545 01:12:57,476 --> 01:13:01,756 it was almost like this taboo Fear Factor. 1546 01:13:01,791 --> 01:13:04,172 Someone would say Faces of Death, have you seen it? 1547 01:13:04,207 --> 01:13:06,347 And people would go no, don't watch that. 1548 01:13:06,382 --> 01:13:08,004 It's supposed to be terrifying. 1549 01:13:08,038 --> 01:13:10,420 I think because you know it's really a documentary. 1550 01:13:10,455 --> 01:13:14,010 And it was the first video footage 1551 01:13:14,044 --> 01:13:15,460 that came out in the 80s 1552 01:13:15,494 --> 01:13:18,394 where apparently you could see these real deaths. 1553 01:13:18,428 --> 01:13:21,500 Of course there was skepticism. 1554 01:13:21,535 --> 01:13:23,399 Some people thought they were staged and whatnot, 1555 01:13:23,433 --> 01:13:26,505 but Faces of Death at least where I was living, 1556 01:13:26,540 --> 01:13:29,957 that was supposed to be the most scariest 1557 01:13:29,991 --> 01:13:34,996 and the most taboo so just based on the reputation of those. 1558 01:13:35,445 --> 01:13:37,827 There was a whole spawn of documentaries that came out. 1559 01:13:37,861 --> 01:13:40,312 I remember there was Savage Man, Savage Beast, 1560 01:13:40,346 --> 01:13:43,453 Shocking Asia and there was Being Different. 1561 01:13:43,488 --> 01:13:46,767 There was The Killing of America, there was this whole range 1562 01:13:46,801 --> 01:13:48,320 Savage Man, Savage Beast. 1563 01:13:48,354 --> 01:13:50,736 So it was really appeared in the 80s 1564 01:13:50,771 --> 01:13:54,844 where I guess horror film became sort of popular. 1565 01:13:54,878 --> 01:13:57,812 Then they went into documentary stream. 1566 01:13:57,847 --> 01:14:00,505 It almost like trying to find the scariest 1567 01:14:00,539 --> 01:14:05,544 or trying to find the most impact with the gore factor. 1568 01:14:06,442 --> 01:14:07,857 That's what people were after. 1569 01:14:07,891 --> 01:14:09,375 It was almost those people that had an obsession 1570 01:14:09,410 --> 01:14:11,930 and they wanted to get as nasty as they could. 1571 01:14:11,964 --> 01:14:14,035 And of course now everything is reality TV. 1572 01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:15,451 So even documentaries back then 1573 01:14:15,485 --> 01:14:17,556 I think they were onto something. 1574 01:14:17,591 --> 01:14:21,111 - One of the most violent other than Faces of Death 1575 01:14:21,146 --> 01:14:23,700 in the video nasties would probably be Cannibal Holocaust. 1576 01:14:23,735 --> 01:14:27,117 I mean there's a lot of violent movies on the list, 1577 01:14:27,152 --> 01:14:28,947 but that's the one that really 1578 01:14:28,981 --> 01:14:30,500 pushed the envelope at the time 1579 01:14:30,535 --> 01:14:33,365 and was notorious for its graphic nature. 1580 01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:37,507 The impalement through the woman's anus and out of her mouth 1581 01:14:37,542 --> 01:14:40,614 is pretty iconic now as far as horror imagery goes. 1582 01:14:41,718 --> 01:14:43,168 I think that would probably have to go down 1583 01:14:43,202 --> 01:14:46,240 as probably the most sickest of the banned films, 1584 01:14:46,274 --> 01:14:48,967 followed closely by movies like Faces of Death. 1585 01:14:49,001 --> 01:14:51,521 - Every time I watch it it makes say 1586 01:14:51,556 --> 01:14:54,213 god damn this fucking movie goes all the way. 1587 01:14:54,248 --> 01:14:57,423 I mean Cryo House Releasing has the perfect tag line. 1588 01:14:57,458 --> 01:14:59,253 It's the one that goes all the way. 1589 01:14:59,287 --> 01:15:01,842 But it's a good piece of cinema. 1590 01:15:01,876 --> 01:15:03,671 It's a fucking good movie. 1591 01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:08,089 It deserves to be seen by a lot more people. 1592 01:15:08,124 --> 01:15:10,160 But I think a lot of people hear stories 1593 01:15:10,195 --> 01:15:12,887 and of course the animal torture stuff, 1594 01:15:12,922 --> 01:15:16,235 the animal killings, it's a tough movie, 1595 01:15:16,270 --> 01:15:21,275 but it deserves to be on that list. 1596 01:15:24,243 --> 01:15:27,557 It's one that deserved to be on that list 1597 01:15:27,592 --> 01:15:32,597 as far as being making sure that young kids don't see it. 1598 01:15:34,184 --> 01:15:37,567 The rape and all that it's a tough movie. 1599 01:15:37,602 --> 01:15:39,465 - Yeah, I gotta admit there are films 1600 01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:41,398 on the list of video nasties 1601 01:15:41,433 --> 01:15:44,781 that I really couldn't watch today. 1602 01:15:44,816 --> 01:15:46,058 - Oh good Lord! 1603 01:15:47,543 --> 01:15:51,477 It's unbelievable, it's horrible. 1604 01:15:53,065 --> 01:15:55,516 I can't understand the reason for such cruelty. 1605 01:15:56,931 --> 01:15:59,209 - Cannibal films I have no interest in watching those. 1606 01:15:59,244 --> 01:16:02,212 I don't like the idea of innocent people being tortured 1607 01:16:02,247 --> 01:16:04,042 and ripped apart and eaten alive. 1608 01:16:05,181 --> 01:16:07,459 It's just not something that appeals to me. 1609 01:16:07,493 --> 01:16:11,774 - I wouldn't say that there's any films I couldn't stomach, 1610 01:16:11,808 --> 01:16:14,708 but perhaps there's scenes I can't stomach. 1611 01:16:15,709 --> 01:16:17,365 I've noticed as I get older 1612 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:18,988 it's just getting increasingly harder 1613 01:16:19,022 --> 01:16:20,955 for me to be able to keep my eyes on the screen 1614 01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:22,578 during the excessive gore. 1615 01:16:23,717 --> 01:16:28,687 In particular, the scene in Cannibal Holocaust 1616 01:16:29,826 --> 01:16:32,588 where it shows the woman impaled. 1617 01:16:32,622 --> 01:16:34,244 That's pretty hard to look at. 1618 01:16:35,487 --> 01:16:38,628 Obviously being a guy, the scene in 1619 01:16:38,663 --> 01:16:43,633 I Spit On Your Grave where she takes the guy's manhood. 1620 01:16:44,738 --> 01:16:45,842 It doesn't actually show anything, 1621 01:16:45,877 --> 01:16:47,361 but that's definitely something 1622 01:16:47,395 --> 01:16:51,365 that is very hard as a guy to watch. 1623 01:16:52,642 --> 01:16:56,577 And also in Zombie Flesh Eaters of course 1624 01:16:56,612 --> 01:16:58,406 the notorious scene with the eyeball, 1625 01:16:58,441 --> 01:16:59,925 this split in the eyeball. 1626 01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:02,583 I don't know how anybody can watch that scene 1627 01:17:02,618 --> 01:17:04,136 without covering their eyes, 1628 01:17:04,171 --> 01:17:06,518 because it's just it's torture 1629 01:17:06,552 --> 01:17:08,865 as her eye gets closer and closer and closer 1630 01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:11,040 to that splinter, it's like oh my God, 1631 01:17:11,074 --> 01:17:13,007 turn your head what are you doing? 1632 01:17:13,042 --> 01:17:14,284 It's very hard to watch. 1633 01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:16,114 And then it pierces and it's disgusting 1634 01:17:16,148 --> 01:17:18,530 and in typical Lucio Fulci fashion, 1635 01:17:18,564 --> 01:17:20,566 it doesn't cut away right away. 1636 01:17:20,601 --> 01:17:23,293 So it's very hard to watch, 1637 01:17:23,328 --> 01:17:25,019 but it's still an enjoyable movie. 1638 01:17:25,054 --> 01:17:27,332 All of these movies are really enjoyable, 1639 01:17:27,366 --> 01:17:29,679 even if I have to cover my eyes through parts of them. 1640 01:17:30,576 --> 01:17:32,509 - No, I wish there was. 1641 01:17:32,544 --> 01:17:34,684 I mentioned Cannibal Holocaust, 1642 01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:38,412 but I mean like I said I got desensitized to it. 1643 01:17:38,446 --> 01:17:42,899 But there's really nothing that does it to me anymore. 1644 01:17:42,934 --> 01:17:46,006 So no, I wish there was though. 1645 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,836 I wish I was and I say it a lot 1646 01:17:48,871 --> 01:17:51,045 because I know some of these films I could mention 1647 01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:56,085 like having friends seeing I would envy that feeling again. 1648 01:17:56,948 --> 01:17:58,432 But I just don't get it anymore. 1649 01:17:59,605 --> 01:18:01,400 - I think a film I couldn't stand like 1650 01:18:01,435 --> 01:18:03,748 it has to be Faces of Death is one I couldn't stand, 1651 01:18:03,782 --> 01:18:08,614 but Cannibal Holocaust watching that film turned my stomach. 1652 01:18:08,649 --> 01:18:10,616 It's such a good horror film. 1653 01:18:10,651 --> 01:18:12,791 It's a great video nasty and a great horror film, 1654 01:18:12,826 --> 01:18:14,897 but it actually turns my stomach. 1655 01:18:14,931 --> 01:18:17,485 There's a scene in there where they're killing a turtle 1656 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,799 and it just makes me even now I'll put that on, 1657 01:18:20,834 --> 01:18:23,319 I will retch, my stomach will turn 1658 01:18:23,353 --> 01:18:25,424 when it comes to that scene. 1659 01:18:25,459 --> 01:18:28,738 So yeah I think Cannibal Holocaust and Faces of Death 1660 01:18:28,773 --> 01:18:31,810 even now they make me feel queasy even thinking about them. 1661 01:18:31,845 --> 01:18:36,228 Both really amazing films, but really, really sick. 1662 01:18:36,263 --> 01:18:38,506 - I think Cannibal Holocaust, 1663 01:18:38,541 --> 01:18:42,683 a friend of mine had a re-release on DVD 1664 01:18:42,718 --> 01:18:45,237 and he put it on and I was like okay, 1665 01:18:45,272 --> 01:18:47,446 we'll go back there, we'll have a look. 1666 01:18:47,481 --> 01:18:48,689 But I really just felt sick. 1667 01:18:48,724 --> 01:18:51,036 I was kind of not really probably now 1668 01:18:51,071 --> 01:18:52,831 being a grown man, it wasn't scary. 1669 01:18:52,866 --> 01:18:54,660 It was a bit more sadistic. 1670 01:18:54,695 --> 01:18:58,872 I think that was a movie that was a little more disturbing. 1671 01:18:58,906 --> 01:19:03,842 It just didn't really have much of a clear narrative 1672 01:19:04,084 --> 01:19:06,707 that I like I mean for me film is definitely an escape. 1673 01:19:06,742 --> 01:19:09,123 I love fiction, so I think that one was almost 1674 01:19:09,158 --> 01:19:10,366 sort of borderline real 1675 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,092 and it just kind of made me feel sick. 1676 01:19:12,126 --> 01:19:13,783 - So yeah, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre is one of 1677 01:19:13,818 --> 01:19:16,510 my all-time favorite video nasties. 1678 01:19:16,544 --> 01:19:18,339 The strange thing about that film was 1679 01:19:18,374 --> 01:19:20,652 I remember watching that and another bootleg version 1680 01:19:20,686 --> 01:19:24,069 for The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and it was really fuzzy. 1681 01:19:24,104 --> 01:19:26,071 Before I watched that film, I felt scared 1682 01:19:26,106 --> 01:19:28,177 because I knew something really bad was gonna happen. 1683 01:19:28,211 --> 01:19:30,213 Everyone was talking about this film. 1684 01:19:30,248 --> 01:19:32,802 But the crazy thing is in the actual film, 1685 01:19:32,837 --> 01:19:36,323 there's hardly any blood, hardly any gore at all. 1686 01:19:36,357 --> 01:19:37,634 In fact, there's basically none. 1687 01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:39,982 Everything we see happens off screen. 1688 01:19:41,397 --> 01:19:43,502 All right, you see him grab Pam and stick her up on the hook 1689 01:19:43,537 --> 01:19:44,676 but you don't see anything else. 1690 01:19:44,710 --> 01:19:48,369 You don't see any incisions of hooks 1691 01:19:48,404 --> 01:19:51,476 and bloody heads coming off and guts or anything like that. 1692 01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:53,754 A lot of that film is what you don't see 1693 01:19:53,789 --> 01:19:55,756 that is actually scarier in that film. 1694 01:19:55,791 --> 01:19:57,862 And for me The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 1695 01:19:57,896 --> 01:20:01,555 is one of the all-time best not just video nasties, 1696 01:20:01,589 --> 01:20:04,420 but one of the best horror films of all time. 1697 01:20:04,454 --> 01:20:06,042 So for me, you get that kind of film 1698 01:20:06,077 --> 01:20:09,321 and you think why would you ban a piece of art? 1699 01:20:09,356 --> 01:20:10,564 Because that's what you're doing. 1700 01:20:10,598 --> 01:20:12,048 You're banning pieces of art with these films. 1701 01:20:12,083 --> 01:20:13,878 - So the The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, 1702 01:20:13,912 --> 01:20:15,776 two siblings and three of their friends, 1703 01:20:15,811 --> 01:20:18,606 on route to visit their grandfather's grave in Texas 1704 01:20:18,641 --> 01:20:19,884 end up falling victim to 1705 01:20:19,918 --> 01:20:22,852 a family of cannibalistic psychopaths. 1706 01:20:22,887 --> 01:20:24,405 [laughs] 1707 01:20:24,440 --> 01:20:28,858 Yeah, when I saw Texas it was by a company called Film Waves 1708 01:20:28,893 --> 01:20:30,826 and I think the whole thing about it was that 1709 01:20:30,860 --> 01:20:32,897 it was based on a true story. 1710 01:20:32,931 --> 01:20:34,933 That was the biggest fear factor. 1711 01:20:34,968 --> 01:20:37,108 It's interesting now seeing film makers like 1712 01:20:37,142 --> 01:20:38,626 Nicolas Rining Refin he thinks 1713 01:20:38,661 --> 01:20:41,008 it's his favorite film as well. 1714 01:20:41,043 --> 01:20:43,424 I was very lucky and obviously McGunner 1715 01:20:43,459 --> 01:20:46,048 and also received a copy of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 1716 01:20:46,082 --> 01:20:49,016 signed by Tobe Hooper himself for my 30th birthday. 1717 01:20:49,051 --> 01:20:51,191 So the movie really resonated with me. 1718 01:20:51,225 --> 01:20:56,092 That was one of the films that was almost slash doco style. 1719 01:20:56,127 --> 01:20:58,888 It was very raw, very gritty 1720 01:20:58,923 --> 01:21:00,890 and kind of changed the face of cinema 1721 01:21:00,925 --> 01:21:02,271 as far as horror goes. 1722 01:21:02,305 --> 01:21:04,549 So definitely a big thumbs up for me. 1723 01:21:04,583 --> 01:21:06,378 It would be in my top four for sure. 1724 01:21:07,863 --> 01:21:10,589 - I think I've got this is the German copy this one. 1725 01:21:10,624 --> 01:21:13,696 So this is the German copy of the video nasty. 1726 01:21:13,730 --> 01:21:15,249 I actually really like this cover art. 1727 01:21:15,284 --> 01:21:17,251 You've got a chainsaw massacre 1728 01:21:17,286 --> 01:21:19,702 going through this woman, it's bloody brilliant. 1729 01:21:21,704 --> 01:21:23,879 [screams] 1730 01:21:30,057 --> 01:21:31,576 - Great film from that list to me 1731 01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:33,267 is The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 1732 01:21:33,302 --> 01:21:36,098 and the hellish time Tobe Hooper had trying 1733 01:21:36,132 --> 01:21:38,963 to get that film made in one of the hottest summers ever 1734 01:21:38,997 --> 01:21:43,243 in the US with stinking, rotting meat on set. 1735 01:21:43,277 --> 01:21:46,177 I mean I'm sure the experience of making that film 1736 01:21:46,211 --> 01:21:48,558 was a video nasty in itself. 1737 01:21:48,593 --> 01:21:51,527 Because a lot of them are throwing up in the heat of the day 1738 01:21:51,561 --> 01:21:53,356 with the smell of the interiors 1739 01:21:53,391 --> 01:21:56,221 and all the rotting flesh that they had to keep filming. 1740 01:21:56,256 --> 01:21:59,397 In those days they weren't using digital. 1741 01:21:59,431 --> 01:22:01,088 They were actually shooting on 16 mil. 1742 01:22:01,123 --> 01:22:03,194 So they knew that if they wasted any film 1743 01:22:03,228 --> 01:22:04,954 or wasted any time, 1744 01:22:04,989 --> 01:22:09,338 then they may not get to finish their film. 1745 01:22:09,372 --> 01:22:12,237 The funders they leaned on them strongly 1746 01:22:12,272 --> 01:22:16,034 that they got the film made in time and on budget 1747 01:22:17,208 --> 01:22:19,210 and hopefully ended up with something 1748 01:22:19,244 --> 01:22:22,799 that they could sell or that they could exploit in cinemas. 1749 01:22:22,834 --> 01:22:25,147 And as we know it became a massive hit. 1750 01:22:25,181 --> 01:22:27,114 - [Announcer] After you stop screaming, 1751 01:22:27,149 --> 01:22:28,564 you'll start talking about it. 1752 01:22:28,598 --> 01:22:31,774 [droning music] 1753 01:22:31,808 --> 01:22:33,086 - I'm not sure it was ever considered 1754 01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,019 a video nasty in the USA, 1755 01:22:35,053 --> 01:22:39,092 but of course when it came out in Britain and Ireland, 1756 01:22:39,126 --> 01:22:40,990 it quickly became part of that list. 1757 01:22:41,025 --> 01:22:44,580 Which is more amusing about it, that film contains more 1758 01:22:44,614 --> 01:22:47,376 psychological violence than physical violence. 1759 01:22:47,410 --> 01:22:49,274 Even though there is physical violence in it, 1760 01:22:49,309 --> 01:22:53,106 a lot of it off screen and that is very interesting to me. 1761 01:22:53,140 --> 01:22:55,418 It goes to show that you don't need to show 1762 01:22:55,453 --> 01:22:58,421 the really nasty stuff, you just need to suggest it 1763 01:22:58,456 --> 01:23:00,044 and then the audience were deeply disturbed. 1764 01:23:00,078 --> 01:23:02,218 Because there's nothing, nothing, nothing more 1765 01:23:02,253 --> 01:23:05,152 powerful than the human mind and the human imagination. 1766 01:23:05,187 --> 01:23:06,912 If you pull away from what's happening 1767 01:23:06,947 --> 01:23:08,949 and then leave it up the audience member 1768 01:23:08,984 --> 01:23:12,366 to decide what it is that happened in that moment 1769 01:23:12,401 --> 01:23:15,852 and how it came about, then you find that they walk away 1770 01:23:15,887 --> 01:23:18,924 with their own idea of the worst possible scenario. 1771 01:23:20,616 --> 01:23:23,929 That's an example I think of cinema today, 1772 01:23:23,964 --> 01:23:25,552 where you don't need to show everything 1773 01:23:25,586 --> 01:23:27,450 in order to have that great effect. 1774 01:23:27,485 --> 01:23:29,487 - Another fairly obscure release of 1775 01:23:29,521 --> 01:23:32,869 a not-so obscure movie would be the Wizard Video release 1776 01:23:32,904 --> 01:23:35,458 of the The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 1777 01:23:36,839 --> 01:23:39,738 This was the first version of the movie I got. 1778 01:23:39,773 --> 01:23:41,154 This is the way that I saw the film 1779 01:23:41,188 --> 01:23:42,431 when it first came out. 1780 01:23:42,465 --> 01:23:44,398 It's a very murky dark grain print, 1781 01:23:44,433 --> 01:23:45,641 but a lot of people would argue 1782 01:23:45,675 --> 01:23:47,712 that's the only way to see this movie. 1783 01:23:47,746 --> 01:23:50,853 I know now that this tape is worth quite a bit. 1784 01:23:50,887 --> 01:23:52,475 It goes on eBay for a lot of money. 1785 01:23:52,510 --> 01:23:56,410 It's fully intact, you can see all the flaps there. 1786 01:23:56,445 --> 01:23:58,447 It's in really good condition still, 1787 01:23:58,481 --> 01:24:01,036 but it's definitely not something I'm gonna let go of. 1788 01:24:01,070 --> 01:24:02,140 I mean it's the very first release 1789 01:24:02,175 --> 01:24:03,590 of probably my all-time favorite movie, 1790 01:24:03,624 --> 01:24:05,902 The Texas Chainsaw Massacre so it's definitely one 1791 01:24:05,937 --> 01:24:08,629 that I cherish and will always have in my collection 1792 01:24:08,664 --> 01:24:11,046 of awesome VHS movies. 1793 01:24:12,116 --> 01:24:12,978 - Stop, stop. 1794 01:24:14,049 --> 01:24:17,431 [chainsaw rattling] [screaming] 1795 01:24:17,466 --> 01:24:19,502 - Craziest memory would have to be 1796 01:24:19,537 --> 01:24:23,472 I think I was like grade six, form one in school 1797 01:24:23,506 --> 01:24:27,027 I was quite young and I loved horror so much. 1798 01:24:27,062 --> 01:24:29,409 At school they used to call me the gore freak 1799 01:24:29,443 --> 01:24:33,723 because I had a fascination with the gore and the effects. 1800 01:24:33,758 --> 01:24:38,349 It was probably not so much the fear factor of these movies, 1801 01:24:38,383 --> 01:24:40,661 but I was really interested in how the makeup worked, 1802 01:24:40,696 --> 01:24:44,872 so I was really trying to find really gross makeup effects 1803 01:24:44,907 --> 01:24:48,221 like in your Xtro and a lot of these movies. 1804 01:24:48,255 --> 01:24:49,981 Sort of push it to the next limit, 1805 01:24:50,015 --> 01:24:52,121 I had a mate of mine at school, 1806 01:24:52,156 --> 01:24:53,674 we used to watch a lot of these horror films 1807 01:24:53,709 --> 01:24:54,951 and we'd got into the video store. 1808 01:24:54,986 --> 01:24:56,401 He knew because I was the gore freak 1809 01:24:56,436 --> 01:24:58,093 that I'd probably pick a good film. 1810 01:24:58,127 --> 01:25:00,888 So I introduced him to the Evil Dead 1811 01:25:00,923 --> 01:25:05,583 so I said to him if you really want to test your stamina 1812 01:25:05,617 --> 01:25:07,930 for this sort of stuff, we're gonna drink milk. 1813 01:25:07,964 --> 01:25:10,484 He said to me why am I drinking milk during this film? 1814 01:25:10,519 --> 01:25:12,452 I said just have a glass of milk there. 1815 01:25:12,486 --> 01:25:15,455 Then when the demon started to spurt blood, 1816 01:25:15,489 --> 01:25:18,837 which is white, I was trying to make him vomit, 1817 01:25:18,872 --> 01:25:21,392 so that was the test drinking milk 1818 01:25:21,426 --> 01:25:22,945 whilst watching Evil Dead trying to make 1819 01:25:22,979 --> 01:25:25,706 my friend vomit so it was a tough one we used to go. 1820 01:25:28,192 --> 01:25:31,022 [chainsaw buzzes] 1821 01:25:34,991 --> 01:25:37,097 - Stop it, help! 1822 01:25:37,132 --> 01:25:38,409 - Well it definitely affected me. 1823 01:25:38,443 --> 01:25:40,238 It's the core inspiration for my 1824 01:25:40,273 --> 01:25:42,378 Cinema Therapy Video Nasties Mix 1825 01:25:42,413 --> 01:25:44,794 Forbidden Horrors and Dirty Sin Scores. 1826 01:25:44,829 --> 01:25:48,073 It was me going down this rabbit hole 1827 01:25:48,108 --> 01:25:52,492 of finding these films that made me realize 1828 01:25:52,526 --> 01:25:55,736 the core connection was all this gore. 1829 01:25:55,771 --> 01:25:58,153 The music the tie-in was the music. 1830 01:25:58,187 --> 01:26:01,949 The 30 cents and the funky disco and the prog rock. 1831 01:26:01,984 --> 01:26:05,194 When I was looking for a new project to compile 1832 01:26:05,229 --> 01:26:09,819 for a VJ mix, it was perfect 1833 01:26:09,854 --> 01:26:12,615 because I didn't really know about the controversy 1834 01:26:12,650 --> 01:26:16,999 until I started putting together the pieces of these films 1835 01:26:17,033 --> 01:26:18,345 and what they meant to be. 1836 01:26:19,519 --> 01:26:21,210 Which was basically the music, 1837 01:26:21,245 --> 01:26:24,317 it was the music that drove me to find these films. 1838 01:26:24,351 --> 01:26:25,904 - Now I Spit On Your Grave definitely 1839 01:26:25,939 --> 01:26:28,252 had a high impact on me. 1840 01:26:28,286 --> 01:26:29,908 It was brutal. 1841 01:26:29,943 --> 01:26:33,326 It was a feared movie when it came out. 1842 01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,845 Highly inspired my movie Tomboys, 1843 01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,227 my film Tomboys, which is really five girls 1844 01:26:38,262 --> 01:26:41,403 that kidnap a serial rapist to seek revenge, 1845 01:26:41,437 --> 01:26:44,716 again loosely based on a true story. 1846 01:26:44,751 --> 01:26:46,684 The funny thing I found out afterwards 1847 01:26:46,718 --> 01:26:48,858 was that the director actually married 1848 01:26:48,893 --> 01:26:51,102 the lead in that movie, her name was Jennifer Hill, 1849 01:26:51,136 --> 01:26:52,793 which was also my mother's name. 1850 01:26:52,828 --> 01:26:57,833 So that was also kind of creepy and I had an affinity to it. 1851 01:26:59,006 --> 01:27:01,250 But definitely right up there in my top four. 1852 01:27:01,285 --> 01:27:02,838 - I think the video nasties had affected 1853 01:27:02,872 --> 01:27:06,876 a lot of my work down to Gransportation, VHS Lives, 1854 01:27:06,911 --> 01:27:09,810 Dance of Toxic Shlock, The Crazy Corny Horror. 1855 01:27:09,845 --> 01:27:12,813 It's really influenced a lot of my work. 1856 01:27:12,848 --> 01:27:15,851 - As far as censorship, I don't really agree 1857 01:27:15,885 --> 01:27:17,922 with censorship per say. 1858 01:27:17,956 --> 01:27:21,408 I'm more of a believer in having a good disclaimer 1859 01:27:21,443 --> 01:27:24,031 which lists come of the content that the viewer 1860 01:27:24,066 --> 01:27:26,689 will be watching when they put that film on. 1861 01:27:28,208 --> 01:27:29,968 Some nights for dinner you may be okay 1862 01:27:30,003 --> 01:27:33,869 with necrophilia but others you may not. 1863 01:27:33,903 --> 01:27:38,218 So sometimes the subject matter may not be what 1864 01:27:38,253 --> 01:27:39,702 even the most hardened horror fan 1865 01:27:39,737 --> 01:27:42,912 is ready for at that particular time. 1866 01:27:42,947 --> 01:27:45,190 So just having a good disclaimer 1867 01:27:45,225 --> 01:27:47,089 is really all that you need 1868 01:27:47,123 --> 01:27:50,334 so that the viewer is making the decision. 1869 01:27:50,368 --> 01:27:52,232 It's in our hands how far we want to watch, 1870 01:27:52,267 --> 01:27:54,027 how far we want to take it 1871 01:27:54,061 --> 01:27:55,925 and then there's no creative expression 1872 01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,721 that's taken away from the artist behind the film. 1873 01:27:58,756 --> 01:28:00,344 There's no watering down of the message 1874 01:28:00,378 --> 01:28:02,691 that they intended to put out there, 1875 01:28:02,725 --> 01:28:04,382 which was their reasoning for behind 1876 01:28:04,417 --> 01:28:06,350 making the film in the first place. 1877 01:28:06,384 --> 01:28:09,491 - Italy had a tradition of extreme movies, 1878 01:28:09,525 --> 01:28:14,047 especially in the 70s and 80s. 1879 01:28:14,081 --> 01:28:17,464 Most of them are big part of the list 1880 01:28:17,499 --> 01:28:21,365 of the video nasties, so titles like 1881 01:28:21,399 --> 01:28:25,507 100 Bottoms, Cannibal Holocaust, Cannibal Ferox 1882 01:28:25,541 --> 01:28:30,546 or How Many Cemetery just for some type of. 1883 01:28:31,927 --> 01:28:35,379 Those are some of the masterpiece that gets banned 1884 01:28:35,413 --> 01:28:37,139 and forbidden for many countries. 1885 01:28:40,176 --> 01:28:45,181 Also surprise me to find amazing titles like Driller Killer 1886 01:28:46,597 --> 01:28:50,566 or Flesh For Frankenstein. 1887 01:28:52,913 --> 01:28:56,158 I think censorship is something really 1888 01:28:56,192 --> 01:28:59,403 that doesn't have reason to exist 1889 01:28:59,437 --> 01:29:03,890 because yes it's good to protect child, 1890 01:29:03,924 --> 01:29:07,859 protect people that is not ready or able 1891 01:29:07,894 --> 01:29:12,036 to see and watch this kind of movies, 1892 01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:17,075 but people must have the freedom to choose what they watch 1893 01:29:17,938 --> 01:29:19,595 to enjoy what they want to enjoy 1894 01:29:19,630 --> 01:29:22,218 and discovery what needs to discovery. 1895 01:29:22,253 --> 01:29:25,187 Especially thinking that some titles now 1896 01:29:25,221 --> 01:29:28,708 are considered masterpiece, 1897 01:29:28,742 --> 01:29:31,814 we are able to watch in TV and internet 1898 01:29:31,849 --> 01:29:35,300 every kind of murder and accident and disaster. 1899 01:29:35,335 --> 01:29:39,477 But there is someone that believe that a movie 1900 01:29:39,512 --> 01:29:42,480 can be much more dangerous than watching 1901 01:29:42,515 --> 01:29:45,069 these kind of programs and news and TV. 1902 01:29:45,103 --> 01:29:47,174 - I mean the real question is how do you 1903 01:29:47,209 --> 01:29:48,175 actually legislate morality? 1904 01:29:48,210 --> 01:29:49,694 Where is there a line in the sand 1905 01:29:49,729 --> 01:29:52,525 that you can draw for a massive group of people 1906 01:29:52,559 --> 01:29:55,148 that applies to every single's person 1907 01:29:55,182 --> 01:29:58,185 own personal line where they decide 1908 01:29:58,220 --> 01:30:00,118 something is decent and something is not decent. 1909 01:30:00,153 --> 01:30:02,845 You can't do it, it's a subjective thing. 1910 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,642 So to unnaturally enforce this line 1911 01:30:06,677 --> 01:30:08,437 where you say this is appropriate 1912 01:30:08,472 --> 01:30:10,439 you can watch The Crying Game, 1913 01:30:10,474 --> 01:30:14,201 but you can't watch The Hills Have Eyes, right I don't know. 1914 01:30:14,236 --> 01:30:18,205 It's a fallacy you can't do it 1915 01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,069 because everyone has their own tastes. 1916 01:30:20,104 --> 01:30:21,899 Everyone has to decide on their own 1917 01:30:21,933 --> 01:30:24,453 what is appropriate, what is over the line. 1918 01:30:24,488 --> 01:30:26,455 That's our right as people. 1919 01:30:26,490 --> 01:30:27,456 That's our right as consumers. 1920 01:30:27,491 --> 01:30:29,941 That's our right as patrons 1921 01:30:29,976 --> 01:30:32,703 of whatever art form we want to patronize. 1922 01:30:33,842 --> 01:30:38,329 To arbitrarily put this line here 1923 01:30:38,363 --> 01:30:40,538 where you're saying everything on this side of this 1924 01:30:40,573 --> 01:30:45,025 is forbidden from you, it doesn't work. 1925 01:30:46,613 --> 01:30:48,684 [screaming] 1926 01:30:48,719 --> 01:30:51,376 [droning music] 1927 01:30:52,792 --> 01:30:55,104 [screaming] 1928 01:30:56,554 --> 01:30:58,176 - Just wanted to talk. 1929 01:30:59,419 --> 01:31:00,834 - [Lloyd] Nothing should be censored 1930 01:31:00,869 --> 01:31:03,319 other than for children and that's up to the parents 1931 01:31:03,354 --> 01:31:04,838 to keep the children away. 1932 01:31:04,873 --> 01:31:05,701 - Censorship. 1933 01:31:06,944 --> 01:31:10,948 - The time of the video nasties is a weird time. 1934 01:31:10,982 --> 01:31:14,572 It's almost like if you had like what we thought 1935 01:31:14,607 --> 01:31:16,471 was a really cool cover to your movie 1936 01:31:16,505 --> 01:31:19,819 would instantly get put on this list. 1937 01:31:19,853 --> 01:31:24,858 So basically you had movies that were basically 1938 01:31:25,997 --> 01:31:29,725 art house films like Driller Killer, 1939 01:31:31,209 --> 01:31:34,523 which see that cover, that cover is awesome. 1940 01:31:34,558 --> 01:31:36,387 We think that's awesome. 1941 01:31:36,421 --> 01:31:40,149 But there's little of that actually in the film. 1942 01:31:40,184 --> 01:31:41,357 What you get is a character piece 1943 01:31:41,392 --> 01:31:43,843 of a man slowly going insane 1944 01:31:43,877 --> 01:31:48,882 for various reasons and all justifiable reasons. 1945 01:31:50,401 --> 01:31:54,785 They way he vents is kind of a little questionable. 1946 01:31:54,819 --> 01:31:59,721 Like he buys a drill with its own power pack 1947 01:32:00,584 --> 01:32:01,999 and just goes in the streets 1948 01:32:02,033 --> 01:32:05,209 and starts taking out homeless people with it. 1949 01:32:05,243 --> 01:32:07,349 But that's well into the movie. 1950 01:32:08,488 --> 01:32:10,421 Before that, you see fantastic scenes 1951 01:32:10,455 --> 01:32:14,287 like when he and his lesbian roommates 1952 01:32:14,321 --> 01:32:17,911 they order pizza, a large pizza, 1953 01:32:17,946 --> 01:32:20,535 you get to see him played by director 1954 01:32:20,569 --> 01:32:23,745 Abel Ferrara consume this entire pizza, 1955 01:32:23,779 --> 01:32:26,817 this entire large pizza by himself. 1956 01:32:28,612 --> 01:32:30,752 And you see many art house moments 1957 01:32:30,786 --> 01:32:32,236 like that in Driller Killer, 1958 01:32:32,270 --> 01:32:35,066 which was clearly labeled a video nasty 1959 01:32:35,101 --> 01:32:37,068 just for the cover alone. 1960 01:32:37,103 --> 01:32:40,347 - I think censorship will be moving in a good direction 1961 01:32:40,382 --> 01:32:43,558 in the future, which means it will be more lax. 1962 01:32:43,592 --> 01:32:45,490 There's going to be more avenues 1963 01:32:45,525 --> 01:32:50,150 just every day for the artist to get their art out there 1964 01:32:50,185 --> 01:32:53,533 to the fans directly going hand in hand 1965 01:32:53,568 --> 01:32:55,708 and having that connection and cutting out 1966 01:32:55,742 --> 01:32:58,642 the bigger companies and some of the other sources 1967 01:32:58,676 --> 01:33:03,163 that get in the middle and meddle in our entertainment 1968 01:33:03,198 --> 01:33:04,751 where they don't belong. 1969 01:33:04,786 --> 01:33:08,824 I think also the calling for having the ability 1970 01:33:08,859 --> 01:33:12,207 to watch a video nasty, take your aggression out 1971 01:33:12,241 --> 01:33:15,866 on entertainment, throw up, cry, scream, 1972 01:33:15,900 --> 01:33:17,799 but it's all at your screen. 1973 01:33:17,833 --> 01:33:20,284 We have the message, we know it's happening 1974 01:33:20,318 --> 01:33:22,217 in our neighborhoods or our towns. 1975 01:33:22,251 --> 01:33:25,427 But the ability to press pause and stop 1976 01:33:25,461 --> 01:33:27,878 and just come back to it, revisit, 1977 01:33:27,912 --> 01:33:32,468 you can still handle it as an entertainment level type thing 1978 01:33:32,503 --> 01:33:35,713 instead of just watching the news 1979 01:33:35,748 --> 01:33:37,542 and having that reality in your face. 1980 01:33:37,577 --> 01:33:40,822 It's having more control as a viewer. 1981 01:33:40,856 --> 01:33:43,583 It's having more control as a human being in general. 1982 01:33:44,791 --> 01:33:46,517 There's gonna be more calling for it 1983 01:33:46,551 --> 01:33:49,037 as we move forward and the mindset 1984 01:33:49,071 --> 01:33:51,660 that people are in these days. 1985 01:33:51,695 --> 01:33:56,147 We need those outlets and as long as we need them, 1986 01:33:56,182 --> 01:33:57,355 they're gonna get stronger 1987 01:33:57,390 --> 01:33:58,943 and they're gonna flow in the direction 1988 01:33:58,978 --> 01:34:01,739 of the voice of the people. 1989 01:34:01,774 --> 01:34:03,499 - I was watching those movies 1990 01:34:03,534 --> 01:34:05,674 before I even knew what video nasties even were, 1991 01:34:05,709 --> 01:34:08,297 like Friday the 13th, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, 1992 01:34:08,332 --> 01:34:10,541 all those types of movies that were banned on that list. 1993 01:34:10,575 --> 01:34:13,233 They were banned over there, censored so you couldn't even get them over there. 1994 01:34:13,268 --> 01:34:14,752 We had a luckily we over here at the States, 1995 01:34:14,787 --> 01:34:17,306 we watched them over here and over there 1996 01:34:17,341 --> 01:34:19,999 you'd have to get them on bootleg and that kind of thing. 1997 01:34:20,033 --> 01:34:21,690 I'm not really sure I think it was over there, 1998 01:34:21,725 --> 01:34:23,209 possibly try to order them 1999 01:34:23,243 --> 01:34:26,522 through a merchandise video catalog probably. 2000 01:34:26,557 --> 01:34:30,009 Video nasties man, there's some probably good ones 2001 01:34:30,043 --> 01:34:33,184 like Cannibal Holocaust, I remember watching it way later 2002 01:34:33,219 --> 01:34:35,877 I was like 13 watching that. 2003 01:34:35,911 --> 01:34:37,982 I didn't even know it was a video nasty at the time. 2004 01:34:38,017 --> 01:34:40,571 I found out through research on Fangoria 2005 01:34:40,605 --> 01:34:41,676 what video nasties were. 2006 01:34:41,710 --> 01:34:43,367 I would see the term video nasties, 2007 01:34:43,401 --> 01:34:45,265 but I didn't really know what that term really was. 2008 01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:46,681 I did some research on them. 2009 01:34:46,715 --> 01:34:48,096 It was like this list of these movies 2010 01:34:48,130 --> 01:34:50,063 that were banned, but a pretty cool list. 2011 01:34:50,098 --> 01:34:51,858 Because it had movies on there that I would use 2012 01:34:51,893 --> 01:34:55,068 for research to find at video stores over here also, 2013 01:34:55,103 --> 01:34:57,726 like Don't Drip Blood and things like that 2014 01:34:57,761 --> 01:34:59,003 that were on that list. 2015 01:34:59,038 --> 01:35:01,488 Evil Speak and that kind of stuff, 2016 01:35:01,523 --> 01:35:03,905 I would use that as a list as a guideline 2017 01:35:03,939 --> 01:35:06,321 so I could find these movies at video shops. 2018 01:35:06,355 --> 01:35:08,012 But the ones I remember the most getting 2019 01:35:08,047 --> 01:35:12,914 was Cannibal Holocaust, crazy movie, 2020 01:35:12,948 --> 01:35:15,710 Xtro which is really weird, especially the part 2021 01:35:15,744 --> 01:35:17,194 where the dude's getting born. 2022 01:35:17,228 --> 01:35:21,232 He's kind of coming out of this weird alien birth. 2023 01:35:21,267 --> 01:35:23,269 It's really strange, it's all slimy coming out of there 2024 01:35:23,303 --> 01:35:25,823 it's like ew, but it's really cool.