1 00:00:02,331 --> 00:00:03,971 Hello, police emergency. What's your emergency? 2 00:00:09,371 --> 00:00:12,411 Is it possible to get away with murder? 3 00:00:12,411 --> 00:00:16,331 What does a killer do after committing the most heinous 4 00:00:16,331 --> 00:00:17,811 of crimes? 5 00:00:17,811 --> 00:00:23,011 Do they carry on as normal and hide in plain sight 6 00:00:23,011 --> 00:00:24,411 or go on the run? 7 00:00:28,011 --> 00:00:32,371 He messaged at 3:05 in the morning and told me to come and get him. 8 00:00:33,771 --> 00:00:37,451 How do the actions of a killer - after their crime - 9 00:00:37,451 --> 00:00:40,371 influence the police investigation? 10 00:00:40,371 --> 00:00:43,531 It was a very, very brutal attack. A slaying, really. 11 00:00:43,531 --> 00:00:46,891 He is behaving very sure of what he was going to do. 12 00:00:48,811 --> 00:00:51,371 By focusing on the aftermath, 13 00:00:51,371 --> 00:00:53,891 we unpick the mindset of a killer, 14 00:00:55,731 --> 00:00:59,611 understand the motive and reveal 15 00:00:59,611 --> 00:01:01,211 what the killer did next. 16 00:01:15,651 --> 00:01:20,531 31-year-old Daniel Seggie and his dad Geoff, 59, 17 00:01:20,531 --> 00:01:24,691 moved to this quiet street of family homes following Geoff's divorce. 18 00:01:26,731 --> 00:01:31,971 Mackworth is lovely. There's lots of wide, open, green spaces. 19 00:01:31,971 --> 00:01:34,051 It's a tight-knit community. 20 00:01:34,051 --> 00:01:36,491 There's families been living on this estate since it were built 21 00:01:36,491 --> 00:01:40,691 it in early '50s and they're still here now. 22 00:01:40,691 --> 00:01:43,171 Geoff and Dan soon settled into life on the street. 23 00:01:43,171 --> 00:01:47,251 Daniel worked at a care home in Mickleover, 24 00:01:47,251 --> 00:01:49,451 which is one of the nicer suburbs of Derby. 25 00:01:49,451 --> 00:01:53,691 He was just a normal guy. He was a Derby County football fan. 26 00:01:53,691 --> 00:01:56,051 He used to enjoy sports. 27 00:01:56,051 --> 00:02:00,451 He wasn't one for going out and, you know, drinking or womanising 28 00:02:00,451 --> 00:02:04,131 or anything like that. He was just an all-round normal guy. 29 00:02:04,131 --> 00:02:06,971 Despite the split within the family, 30 00:02:06,971 --> 00:02:10,531 Dan and his dad remained close to his mum and brother. 31 00:02:10,531 --> 00:02:13,651 Geoff and his ex-wife were separated, but they were still good 32 00:02:13,651 --> 00:02:17,451 friends. She'd sort out his bank account and his payments for him. 33 00:02:17,451 --> 00:02:19,691 Geoff Seggie was 59. 34 00:02:19,691 --> 00:02:22,331 He worked at AvailableCar in Castle Donington, 35 00:02:22,331 --> 00:02:24,011 about 20 minutes outside Derby. 36 00:02:24,011 --> 00:02:26,851 Daniel's brother also worked there. 37 00:02:26,851 --> 00:02:30,131 They used to travel together in the morning and travel back at night. 38 00:02:34,611 --> 00:02:38,051 Soon after moving in, Dan met mother-of-two, Zoe, 39 00:02:38,051 --> 00:02:40,691 and the pair started seeing each other frequently. 40 00:02:42,171 --> 00:02:46,291 So, I've known Dan over three years. I used to go to Dan's house a lot. 41 00:02:46,291 --> 00:02:48,691 He would invite me round for dinner. 42 00:02:48,691 --> 00:02:51,651 As the pair's relationship went from strength to strength, 43 00:02:51,651 --> 00:02:54,491 they spent more time together as a family, 44 00:02:54,491 --> 00:02:58,011 walking Zoe's dogs and playing with her children. 45 00:02:58,011 --> 00:03:01,971 He's been involved in my life, my children's life. 46 00:03:01,971 --> 00:03:03,931 He was always the caring one, 47 00:03:03,931 --> 00:03:05,691 the one that did everything for everyone else. 48 00:03:05,691 --> 00:03:11,011 But life for the young courting couple was about to change. 49 00:03:13,931 --> 00:03:17,851 On Wednesday, 30 November, 2016, 50 00:03:17,851 --> 00:03:21,251 Daniel Seggie was running household errands as normal, 51 00:03:21,251 --> 00:03:25,091 dropping into the bank and picking up a takeaway dinner. 52 00:03:30,091 --> 00:03:33,331 Daniel arranges to meet up with Zoe, his girlfriend, the next day, 53 00:03:33,331 --> 00:03:35,051 to go shopping. 54 00:03:39,211 --> 00:03:46,251 I was supposed to be having Dan come round in the morning to take me 55 00:03:46,251 --> 00:03:49,411 into town to get a few winter bits for the children. 56 00:03:49,411 --> 00:03:52,451 We were just going in for winter coats or something, 57 00:03:52,451 --> 00:03:56,051 and he said he would come to mine for about ten in the morning. 58 00:03:56,051 --> 00:04:00,811 He sent me a message saying he was on the way 59 00:04:00,811 --> 00:04:04,291 and then, just didn't turn up. 60 00:04:04,291 --> 00:04:06,651 So, I messaged him. I gave him a couple of hours. 61 00:04:06,651 --> 00:04:09,371 I thought he was obviously busy or something's come up with work. 62 00:04:09,371 --> 00:04:11,771 He'll get in touch with me when he needs to. 63 00:04:11,771 --> 00:04:13,851 And then, 64 00:04:13,851 --> 00:04:18,211 it went out to the whole day where nothing had happened. 65 00:04:18,211 --> 00:04:19,691 I'd not heard anything back. 66 00:04:19,691 --> 00:04:22,611 My messages hadn't delivered, so his phone was clearly switched off. 67 00:04:22,611 --> 00:04:25,091 I tried ringing him numerous times, 68 00:04:25,091 --> 00:04:30,611 just got nothing, and I was worried. 69 00:04:30,611 --> 00:04:35,011 As hours passed, Zoe still couldn't get hold of Daniel. 70 00:04:35,011 --> 00:04:37,331 She decided to go in search of him. 71 00:04:43,611 --> 00:04:46,211 So, I went to his house. 72 00:04:47,211 --> 00:04:51,931 But on arrival, Zoe was shocked at what she found. 73 00:04:51,931 --> 00:04:57,011 There's all police wire and everything, outside his house. 74 00:04:57,011 --> 00:04:58,811 So, I asked the police what had happened. 75 00:04:58,811 --> 00:05:00,851 They said they couldn't tell me. 76 00:05:00,851 --> 00:05:04,011 And then, they said there'd been a body found. 77 00:05:08,051 --> 00:05:11,051 I literally went to my mum and dad's, crying, 78 00:05:11,051 --> 00:05:13,091 and I was just in another world. 79 00:05:13,091 --> 00:05:15,051 I just thought it was a dream. 80 00:05:19,251 --> 00:05:20,531 The next morning, 81 00:05:20,531 --> 00:05:22,651 news spreads around the neighbourhood that police had been called to 82 00:05:22,651 --> 00:05:24,891 the scene of a murder. 83 00:05:27,891 --> 00:05:29,131 It was a shock, 84 00:05:29,131 --> 00:05:32,491 'cause it was something that never really happens in Mackworth estate, 85 00:05:32,491 --> 00:05:35,451 to know that somebody had actually been murdered. 86 00:05:35,451 --> 00:05:39,411 And, of course, my first concern was, was it a robbery gone wrong, 87 00:05:39,411 --> 00:05:41,011 was it a fight? 88 00:05:43,211 --> 00:05:46,931 Journalist Martin Naylor was on the story as it broke. 89 00:05:46,931 --> 00:05:50,491 I was in the office on the morning that we started to receive 90 00:05:50,491 --> 00:05:54,291 correspondence mainly through social media, that there was 91 00:05:54,291 --> 00:05:58,211 a large police presence in Mackworth, in Derby. 92 00:05:58,211 --> 00:06:02,211 There was a white tent outside the property, forensics teams 93 00:06:02,211 --> 00:06:03,891 were there. As you'd expect, 94 00:06:03,891 --> 00:06:06,371 the police in their white coats, going in and out the property. 95 00:06:06,371 --> 00:06:09,331 And quite a reasonable section 96 00:06:09,331 --> 00:06:12,451 of Marylebone Crescent was cordoned off. 97 00:06:14,571 --> 00:06:18,291 With police releasing few details, 98 00:06:18,291 --> 00:06:20,091 rumours are rife. 99 00:06:20,091 --> 00:06:21,731 Who was the victim? 100 00:06:23,371 --> 00:06:26,811 What exactly has gone on in this respectable neighbourhood? 101 00:06:26,811 --> 00:06:31,291 He suffered around 60 stab wounds, mainly to the neck, 102 00:06:31,291 --> 00:06:36,251 chest and head area, and he'd then been attacked with a hammer. 103 00:06:46,421 --> 00:06:47,861 In Mackworth, Derbyshire, 104 00:06:47,861 --> 00:06:50,301 police have arrived at the home of father and son, Geoff 105 00:06:50,301 --> 00:06:55,621 and Daniel Seggie, after receiving a call from Daniel's concerned mum. 106 00:06:57,301 --> 00:07:01,341 Geoff's ex-wife had been trying to contact 107 00:07:01,341 --> 00:07:06,781 both Geoff and Daniel and were unable to contact either of them. 108 00:07:06,781 --> 00:07:09,861 Geoff Seggie was a man of routine, you know. So, if he said he'd do 109 00:07:09,861 --> 00:07:13,061 something at 7:00 each day, he tends to do it at 7:00. 110 00:07:13,061 --> 00:07:14,981 If he did it at 8:00, he'd do it. 111 00:07:14,981 --> 00:07:18,061 Part of Geoff's routine means he speaks to his 112 00:07:18,061 --> 00:07:19,941 youngest son every morning. 113 00:07:19,941 --> 00:07:24,501 So when he didn't hear from his dad for two days, he became concerned. 114 00:07:26,301 --> 00:07:29,701 Police knocked down the door at Marylebone Crescent in Mackworth 115 00:07:29,701 --> 00:07:33,981 on December 1, because they'd had contact from the Seggie family, 116 00:07:33,981 --> 00:07:35,261 who were expressing their concern. 117 00:07:37,341 --> 00:07:42,421 But as police enter the house, they are confronted by a bloodbath. 118 00:07:45,701 --> 00:07:48,341 The victim was laid on the bed, having been attacked. 119 00:07:48,341 --> 00:07:50,301 There had been no attempt to conceal 120 00:07:50,301 --> 00:07:52,581 the body or dispose of the body. 121 00:07:52,581 --> 00:07:56,341 The victim is 59-year-old Geoff Seggie. 122 00:07:58,861 --> 00:08:02,301 And worryingly, son Daniel is nowhere to be seen. 123 00:08:04,061 --> 00:08:08,901 The post-mortem on Geoff reveals a sustained and violent attack. 124 00:08:08,901 --> 00:08:12,141 The post-mortem examination revealed that he'd suffered about 125 00:08:12,141 --> 00:08:18,501 60 stab wounds mainly to the neck, chest and head area, and also that 126 00:08:18,501 --> 00:08:21,981 he'd then been attacked with a hammer. 127 00:08:21,981 --> 00:08:25,581 There were about 20 hammer injuries. 128 00:08:25,581 --> 00:08:29,861 It was a very, very brutal attack. A slaying, really. 129 00:08:29,861 --> 00:08:35,341 The nature of it did surprise me, yeah. How could somebody do that? 130 00:08:35,341 --> 00:08:37,781 When you learn those sorts of things, it is shocking. 131 00:08:39,141 --> 00:08:44,141 We started to piece things together ourselves, here. It was an attack. 132 00:08:44,141 --> 00:08:45,781 It was a burglary gone wrong. 133 00:08:45,781 --> 00:08:48,221 It was a bungled burglary where someone's just, you know, 134 00:08:48,221 --> 00:08:49,861 attacked someone and killed someone. 135 00:08:51,581 --> 00:08:54,141 Police launch a murder investigation. 136 00:08:54,141 --> 00:08:57,701 They urgently need to find son Daniel to see if he can 137 00:08:57,701 --> 00:08:59,901 help the search for the killer - 138 00:08:59,901 --> 00:09:03,221 but Daniel Seggie is missing. 139 00:09:03,221 --> 00:09:08,061 I thought someone's attacked Geoff and they've obviously took Dan, 140 00:09:08,061 --> 00:09:12,781 abducted him or hurt him. And where is he? 141 00:09:12,781 --> 00:09:15,341 Police need to find a killer. 142 00:09:15,341 --> 00:09:17,901 They need to uncover a motive. 143 00:09:17,901 --> 00:09:21,301 They need to find out what was going on in Geoff's life. 144 00:09:21,301 --> 00:09:23,061 Who would want him dead? 145 00:09:26,421 --> 00:09:29,941 Police speak with his ex-wife, Daniel's mum, who had reported 146 00:09:29,941 --> 00:09:32,301 her concerns to them. 147 00:09:33,261 --> 00:09:36,901 She reveals Daniel has been pretending to be his father in phone 148 00:09:36,901 --> 00:09:40,781 calls and texts to her and his brother for the past two days. 149 00:09:43,061 --> 00:09:48,021 He used his father's phone to send a text to his brother. 150 00:09:48,021 --> 00:09:51,421 And he also called him as well and, clearly, the call wasn't from 151 00:09:51,421 --> 00:09:54,341 Geoff Seggie. It was from Daniel. Something wasn't right. 152 00:09:54,341 --> 00:09:56,061 He'd obviously not seen his dad for two days. 153 00:09:56,061 --> 00:09:59,221 He used to see him every day. So, the police became involved. 154 00:10:03,781 --> 00:10:05,821 Geoff is dead. 155 00:10:05,821 --> 00:10:08,381 His son Daniel is missing. 156 00:10:08,381 --> 00:10:10,781 And that's not all. 157 00:10:10,781 --> 00:10:13,821 He's missing and, actually, his father's car's missing as well. 158 00:10:13,821 --> 00:10:16,701 So, you know, it's a big clue for the investigators. 159 00:10:16,701 --> 00:10:21,981 Police need to find Daniel Seggie - but not as a missing person - 160 00:10:21,981 --> 00:10:24,221 as a suspect. 161 00:10:24,781 --> 00:10:26,981 But with results of the post-mortem 162 00:10:26,981 --> 00:10:28,701 leading police to believe Geoff Seggie 163 00:10:28,701 --> 00:10:32,861 has been dead for three days, Daniel Seggie could be anywhere. 164 00:10:34,901 --> 00:10:38,501 They turn to the one person they know Daniel is close to - 165 00:10:38,501 --> 00:10:43,581 Zoe - the last person to hear from Daniel 166 00:10:43,581 --> 00:10:45,101 before he went missing. 167 00:10:46,981 --> 00:10:49,941 He sent me a message and said he'd been a brave soldier, 168 00:10:49,941 --> 00:10:54,141 that he'd been to A&E, gone and got some stitches and an injection. 169 00:10:54,141 --> 00:10:57,301 Told me about some painkillers he had. 170 00:11:01,341 --> 00:11:05,621 Daniel told Zoe he had cut his finger and needed stitches. 171 00:11:05,621 --> 00:11:07,981 Crucially, this appears to be on the same night police 172 00:11:07,981 --> 00:11:11,101 believe Geoff Seggie was murdered. 173 00:11:12,661 --> 00:11:14,341 He showed me the injury, 174 00:11:14,341 --> 00:11:18,341 saying that he did it on a knife or Stanley blade at work. 175 00:11:20,781 --> 00:11:24,821 Police now believe Daniel Seggie was behind the brutal attack 176 00:11:24,821 --> 00:11:29,141 on his father and had cut his hand during the frenzied assault. 177 00:11:29,141 --> 00:11:31,061 But where is he now? 178 00:11:37,621 --> 00:11:39,341 They knew he was in a vehicle 179 00:11:39,341 --> 00:11:41,541 and they knew the registration number of the vehicle. 180 00:11:41,541 --> 00:11:46,021 So, to track Daniel down, there's the ANPR system which 181 00:11:46,021 --> 00:11:49,781 tracks numbers plates and would be able to identify where cars are. 182 00:11:49,781 --> 00:11:52,821 Around the country, there's many, many thousands of cameras that 183 00:11:52,821 --> 00:11:56,061 would be able to track the vehicle. 184 00:11:56,061 --> 00:12:00,421 Daniel Seggie has taken his father's black Honda Civic car 185 00:12:00,421 --> 00:12:04,541 and he's driven that through Staffordshire and down to Cardiff. 186 00:12:06,501 --> 00:12:10,341 Daniel's father's car is picked up by motorway cameras, 187 00:12:10,341 --> 00:12:11,781 arriving in Cardiff. 188 00:12:13,381 --> 00:12:17,901 It's then spotted by CCTV in the town centre. 189 00:12:17,901 --> 00:12:22,421 Daniel parks up and walks away. 190 00:12:22,421 --> 00:12:25,221 Then, the trail goes cold. 191 00:12:26,781 --> 00:12:31,381 On December 1, Daniel, after leaving the car in a carpark in Cardiff, 192 00:12:31,381 --> 00:12:34,901 he switched his mobile phone off, so that he was uncontactable. 193 00:12:36,181 --> 00:12:38,541 Police now have a problem. 194 00:12:38,541 --> 00:12:41,181 Daniel has dumped the car. 195 00:12:41,181 --> 00:12:43,861 Number plate recognition technology 196 00:12:43,861 --> 00:12:46,661 has helped the police as much as it can. 197 00:12:46,661 --> 00:12:51,101 And now, Daniel has switched off his phone, so police cannot trace 198 00:12:51,101 --> 00:12:53,901 the signal to pinpoint his location. 199 00:12:56,061 --> 00:12:59,861 What is Daniel gonna do next and how dangerous is he? 200 00:13:05,421 --> 00:13:09,541 By now, the police investigation was gathering huge amount of pace. 201 00:13:09,541 --> 00:13:12,301 Obviously, there was a manhunt going on. 202 00:13:12,301 --> 00:13:13,861 He could have had knives on him. 203 00:13:13,861 --> 00:13:16,101 He could have had other weapons on him. They weren't sure about 204 00:13:16,101 --> 00:13:18,901 that, at that point, so it was their priority to locate him. 205 00:13:20,461 --> 00:13:24,741 When Dan Seggie goes on the run, as far as the police are concerned, 206 00:13:24,741 --> 00:13:28,141 this is a man with great potential. 207 00:13:28,141 --> 00:13:31,421 They need to find him, fast, because he could be armed, 208 00:13:31,421 --> 00:13:33,491 he could be dangerous and he could strike again. 209 00:13:40,731 --> 00:13:44,251 Four days after the murder and press interest is growing as the hunt for 210 00:13:44,251 --> 00:13:46,451 Daniel Seggie intensifies. 211 00:13:46,451 --> 00:13:49,731 Well, I recall being told by the Detective Chief Inspector 212 00:13:49,731 --> 00:13:51,291 that, you know, 213 00:13:51,291 --> 00:13:54,011 they needed to get Daniel Seggie and they needed to get him quick. 214 00:13:54,011 --> 00:13:57,931 The reason being, they didn't know if he had any weapons on him. 215 00:13:57,931 --> 00:14:02,931 So, the whole investigation, we know now, was relatively covert. 216 00:14:02,931 --> 00:14:07,291 And I also understand that Zoe was helping the police at that time, 217 00:14:07,291 --> 00:14:09,811 trying to find out his whereabouts. 218 00:14:09,811 --> 00:14:14,171 The police first made contact by knocking on the door. 219 00:14:14,171 --> 00:14:16,571 They came in and asked me questions. 220 00:14:16,571 --> 00:14:19,291 How well I knew Dan? How long I've known him? 221 00:14:19,291 --> 00:14:22,611 If I knew his whereabouts or where he could have gone. 222 00:14:22,611 --> 00:14:26,451 I was literally getting dragged into the police station every day, 223 00:14:26,451 --> 00:14:29,011 but I ended up just staying in the police station in one of their, 224 00:14:29,011 --> 00:14:32,531 like, secret offices or whatever it was. 225 00:14:32,531 --> 00:14:36,291 And that's when they told me to make the contact with Dan. 226 00:14:36,291 --> 00:14:40,171 Well, through the police, Zoe was contacting Daniel through 227 00:14:40,171 --> 00:14:44,451 social media and through his mobile phone, texting him, trying to find 228 00:14:44,451 --> 00:14:46,251 out the location of where he was, 229 00:14:46,251 --> 00:14:50,731 so that the police could go there and arrest him. 230 00:14:52,291 --> 00:14:56,171 But for two days, Daniel Seggie remains elusive. 231 00:14:56,171 --> 00:15:00,531 The last sighting police have is of Daniel walking away from 232 00:15:00,531 --> 00:15:02,691 his dad's car in Cardiff. 233 00:15:08,571 --> 00:15:11,011 It's difficult to understand. 234 00:15:11,011 --> 00:15:13,011 Why did he go to Cardiff in the first instance? 235 00:15:13,011 --> 00:15:15,931 What was there in Cardiff and why would you go there? 236 00:15:15,931 --> 00:15:18,731 It's not an obvious choice from Derby. 237 00:15:19,531 --> 00:15:21,851 Daniel Seggie's phone is still off. 238 00:15:21,851 --> 00:15:28,411 Police trawl CCTV cameras in Cardiff city centre and suddenly spot him. 239 00:15:29,371 --> 00:15:32,371 Daniel, after leaving the car in a carpark in Cardiff, 240 00:15:32,371 --> 00:15:35,731 then went to Cardiff railway station. 241 00:15:35,731 --> 00:15:38,851 What is really telling about the CCTV footage 242 00:15:38,851 --> 00:15:39,931 is that he has nothing with him. 243 00:15:39,931 --> 00:15:43,211 He has no possessions. Not even a coat, no toothbrush. 244 00:15:43,211 --> 00:15:45,651 Nothing to suggest permanence. 245 00:15:45,651 --> 00:15:50,211 So, is Dan Seggie planning to potentially end his own life? 246 00:15:50,211 --> 00:15:53,971 That would be in keeping with the actions of his behaviour. 247 00:16:05,131 --> 00:16:09,371 Daniel Seggie has been on the run for four days and the 248 00:16:09,371 --> 00:16:13,491 last sighting of him was at Cardiff railway station buying a ticket. 249 00:16:13,491 --> 00:16:17,211 But no-one knows where to and why. 250 00:16:17,211 --> 00:16:21,571 Police are concerned about what he might do next. 251 00:16:21,571 --> 00:16:24,691 Then, suddenly, a breakthrough. 252 00:16:28,531 --> 00:16:34,451 Dan first made contact with me on 5 December at 7:15. 253 00:16:34,451 --> 00:16:37,811 He sent me a message saying, "I'm sorry. 254 00:16:37,811 --> 00:16:39,491 I honestly don't know what's happening. 255 00:16:39,491 --> 00:16:42,451 My heart is broken, but also my mind. 256 00:16:43,771 --> 00:16:47,131 I have no idea what has happened this past week. 257 00:16:47,131 --> 00:16:50,171 It's like I've been asleep for a week, and woken up in a nightmare. 258 00:16:50,171 --> 00:16:52,291 I'm so scared and confused. 259 00:16:52,291 --> 00:16:54,371 I honestly don't know what to do. 260 00:16:54,371 --> 00:16:56,091 All I want to do is hug you. 261 00:16:56,091 --> 00:16:57,931 I love you and the boys forever. 262 00:16:57,931 --> 00:16:59,571 Never forever that. 263 00:16:59,571 --> 00:17:03,891 You are not just my girlfriend. You are my best friend and I love you." 264 00:17:05,651 --> 00:17:07,931 Zoe tells police Dan has made contact. 265 00:17:07,931 --> 00:17:11,331 Immediately, she's taken to the station. 266 00:17:13,251 --> 00:17:16,251 Zoe is now a pawn in the manhunt for a killer. 267 00:17:16,251 --> 00:17:19,371 The police that was running the case 268 00:17:19,371 --> 00:17:21,771 was trying to get me to speak to him, 269 00:17:21,771 --> 00:17:25,571 see if I could get him to communicate, find out where he was. 270 00:17:25,571 --> 00:17:29,531 Then made contact with Dan, saying, "I'm really worried about you, Dan. 271 00:17:29,531 --> 00:17:32,371 Please don't be scared. The boys and I want to see you." 272 00:17:32,371 --> 00:17:34,091 And I asked him where you are. 273 00:17:38,451 --> 00:17:41,651 I got something, I think, it was 24 hours later. 274 00:17:46,091 --> 00:17:48,531 And said, "I really want to see you too, but I can't. 275 00:17:48,531 --> 00:17:51,651 I'm so far away and I can't remember how I got here. 276 00:17:51,651 --> 00:17:55,651 I have no money to get home. My wallet is gone and I'm all alone. 277 00:17:55,651 --> 00:18:00,011 I wish I was with you. I'm so sorry. I'm somewhere north. 278 00:18:00,011 --> 00:18:05,011 I wish I was OK, but I'm tired and alone and I feel so confused. 279 00:18:05,011 --> 00:18:07,891 I don't want you to worry. I will be OK and I love you." 280 00:18:09,451 --> 00:18:13,011 He then said, "I wish I could just come round and give you all hug. 281 00:18:13,011 --> 00:18:15,771 I wish I could tell you that I'm OK, but I'm not. 282 00:18:15,771 --> 00:18:19,091 I am safe, but I think I need to work out what to do." 283 00:18:31,251 --> 00:18:32,491 I'm sorry. 284 00:18:35,291 --> 00:18:37,931 With Daniel engaging with Zoe, 285 00:18:37,931 --> 00:18:42,291 police seize the opportunity to discover his whereabouts. 286 00:18:42,291 --> 00:18:46,131 The police then suggested that I made out that I was going to 287 00:18:46,131 --> 00:18:51,011 fetch Dan, to try and get him to hand himself in. 288 00:18:51,011 --> 00:18:53,931 So then, I told him, "I'll come and get you in my car." 289 00:18:53,931 --> 00:18:57,011 He told me, "I'm too far away." 290 00:18:59,131 --> 00:19:04,451 Within minutes, Daniel Seggie reveals to Zoe and waiting police, 291 00:19:04,451 --> 00:19:08,291 the city where he is hiding out. 292 00:19:08,291 --> 00:19:10,171 He was in Glasgow. 293 00:19:12,851 --> 00:19:16,571 Derbyshire Police immediately contact Police Scotland. 294 00:19:16,571 --> 00:19:19,011 With a violent killer on the loose, 295 00:19:19,011 --> 00:19:21,971 they need to corner Daniel Seggie fast. 296 00:19:23,771 --> 00:19:27,411 This killer has been on the run for five days, but now, 297 00:19:27,411 --> 00:19:30,171 police are about to catch up with him. 298 00:19:39,011 --> 00:19:42,891 In Glasgow, the net is closing in on a killer 299 00:19:42,891 --> 00:19:47,211 wanted for a violent murder several hundred miles away in Derbyshire. 300 00:19:47,211 --> 00:19:52,171 After five days on the run, Daniel Seggie has been traced 301 00:19:52,171 --> 00:19:55,771 through a series of text messages to his girlfriend Zoe. 302 00:19:55,771 --> 00:20:01,131 What had turned this gentle care worker into the brutal killer 303 00:20:01,131 --> 00:20:03,651 of his own father? 304 00:20:12,411 --> 00:20:17,611 Tuesday, November 29, 2016, should have been like any other day 305 00:20:17,611 --> 00:20:21,211 in the Seggie household in a quiet suburb of Derby. 306 00:20:24,291 --> 00:20:28,851 Geoff had finished work, said goodbye to his other son 307 00:20:28,851 --> 00:20:31,011 with whom he had worked, and returned home. 308 00:20:34,011 --> 00:20:38,011 What we now know is that when Geoff was preparing to go to bed, 309 00:20:38,011 --> 00:20:42,091 he was attacked by his son Daniel towards the end of the evening, 310 00:20:42,091 --> 00:20:44,571 10:00, 11:00, something along those lines. 311 00:20:44,571 --> 00:20:48,291 It was a vicious and a savage killing. There were more than 60 312 00:20:48,291 --> 00:20:53,011 stab wounds and then, he'd hit him more than 20 times with a hammer. 313 00:20:54,891 --> 00:20:57,771 When Daniel was attacking his father, 314 00:20:57,771 --> 00:21:01,851 it seems that his father was in quite a vulnerable position. 315 00:21:01,851 --> 00:21:04,331 He didn't have any clothes on. 316 00:21:04,331 --> 00:21:06,211 He was in his bedroom. 317 00:21:06,211 --> 00:21:09,851 That made him incredibly vulnerable. 318 00:21:09,851 --> 00:21:13,571 And that didn't seem to bother Daniel at all. Whatever 319 00:21:13,571 --> 00:21:19,571 was driving him to kill his father was much, much stronger than that. 320 00:21:19,571 --> 00:21:25,451 Following the murder, Daniel went and purchased a Chinese takeaway. 321 00:21:25,451 --> 00:21:28,771 Then, he came and ate that back at the home, 322 00:21:28,771 --> 00:21:32,331 which one may think is quite odd, 323 00:21:32,331 --> 00:21:35,891 having just killed your father. 324 00:21:35,891 --> 00:21:40,331 And then, one would almost expect the person to run away 325 00:21:40,331 --> 00:21:43,291 and escape the area very quickly. 326 00:21:51,291 --> 00:21:55,651 Daniel went to the Royal Derby Hospital where he was treated 327 00:21:55,651 --> 00:22:00,771 at A&E for a cut to his hand, quite a deep cut. He'd gone to... 328 00:22:00,771 --> 00:22:03,051 When he checked himself in at A&E, 329 00:22:03,051 --> 00:22:07,691 he told the nurses there that he'd cut that making a sandwich. 330 00:22:07,691 --> 00:22:10,611 Now, that was quite heavily strapped, heavily bandaged. 331 00:22:10,611 --> 00:22:12,771 And then, he went home. 332 00:22:12,771 --> 00:22:15,611 Dan Seggie also texts his girlfriend to tell her 333 00:22:15,611 --> 00:22:18,171 that he's had an injury. He says he's been a brave, little soldier. 334 00:22:18,171 --> 00:22:21,491 So he's creating this nice weaved alibi. 335 00:22:21,491 --> 00:22:25,291 But again, it just demonstrates that he's connecting himself 336 00:22:25,291 --> 00:22:28,651 with the crime. So he's obsessing about what he's done. 337 00:22:28,651 --> 00:22:32,611 It's really difficult to understand what's going on in his mind 338 00:22:32,611 --> 00:22:39,451 at the time. And partly, it may be that by continuing 339 00:22:39,451 --> 00:22:45,531 to behave in a normal way, it almost takes him away from 340 00:22:45,531 --> 00:22:49,971 what he's done and it gives him some time and it gives him some 341 00:22:49,971 --> 00:22:53,131 time to think about what his next steps are going to be. 342 00:22:56,051 --> 00:23:01,011 Every morning at 7am, Geoff Seggie would call or message his other son 343 00:23:01,011 --> 00:23:03,651 before they'd meet at work. 344 00:23:03,651 --> 00:23:08,931 But on Wednesday, 30 November, Daniel took on the role of his dad 345 00:23:08,931 --> 00:23:13,251 and kept normality ticking along by sending his routine text message. 346 00:23:17,211 --> 00:23:18,851 He sent him a text saying that, you know, 347 00:23:18,851 --> 00:23:22,291 he wasn't gonna go into work that day and 348 00:23:22,291 --> 00:23:25,571 he was quite suspicious about that, thinking, well, 349 00:23:25,571 --> 00:23:27,691 that's not like his dad. 350 00:23:27,691 --> 00:23:29,291 It was never gonna be convincing. 351 00:23:29,291 --> 00:23:32,451 So what is Dan Seggie trying to do here? 352 00:23:32,451 --> 00:23:37,571 Does he really believe that he can manipulate the world around him to 353 00:23:37,571 --> 00:23:39,531 get the gain that he desires? 354 00:23:39,531 --> 00:23:42,771 He wanted a period of time to adjust to the knowledge 355 00:23:42,771 --> 00:23:45,651 that soon, he would not be free for a very long time. 356 00:23:45,651 --> 00:23:50,531 Next, Daniel sent a text to his mother claiming to be Geoff. 357 00:23:53,051 --> 00:23:58,811 Daniel sent a text message from his father's phone to Geoff's ex-wife, 358 00:23:58,811 --> 00:24:05,491 asking her to transfer 100 pounds from his savings account 359 00:24:05,491 --> 00:24:06,971 to his current account. 360 00:24:06,971 --> 00:24:12,491 Later that day, Daniel Seggie goes about his business as usual, 361 00:24:12,491 --> 00:24:15,691 visiting the cash machine on the high street where he withdraws 362 00:24:15,691 --> 00:24:18,051 100 pounds from his father's account 363 00:24:21,211 --> 00:24:25,971 and then to McDonald's, where he's caught on their CCTV cameras. 364 00:24:27,491 --> 00:24:29,691 This is footage of a son 365 00:24:29,691 --> 00:24:33,851 who has murdered his father in the most brutal attack. 366 00:24:37,371 --> 00:24:41,091 When he goes to McDonald's to get some dinner, 367 00:24:41,091 --> 00:24:44,491 you can't help but question what was going through his mind, 368 00:24:44,491 --> 00:24:46,371 because the last thing you would imagine he would be 369 00:24:46,371 --> 00:24:50,371 thinking about is his tummy after he's murdered somebody violently. 370 00:24:50,371 --> 00:24:53,491 But doesn't that show, potentially, some real disassociation, 371 00:24:53,491 --> 00:24:58,571 as in, he's done it, but he's not really contemplating the enormity 372 00:24:58,571 --> 00:25:02,771 of his actions, so he just carries around his normal business? 373 00:25:02,771 --> 00:25:04,651 He was just acting like it was everyday life. 374 00:25:04,651 --> 00:25:09,651 Like, he was just carrying on. He was, like, smiling and smirking. 375 00:25:09,651 --> 00:25:13,411 It was just out of character for him. 376 00:25:13,411 --> 00:25:15,971 It's not something you'd ever expect. 377 00:25:18,971 --> 00:25:22,691 Daniel Seggie then returns to the house he shares with his dad Geoff, 378 00:25:22,691 --> 00:25:26,131 now laying dead in his bed. 379 00:25:26,131 --> 00:25:30,291 I find it strange that he stayed in the house 380 00:25:30,291 --> 00:25:31,691 with the body for two days, 381 00:25:31,691 --> 00:25:36,571 'cause so much anger... so much anger in that killing, 382 00:25:36,571 --> 00:25:38,011 and he stays there. 383 00:25:38,011 --> 00:25:43,531 So, at some level, he's thinking, 384 00:25:43,531 --> 00:25:49,291 "I've done the right thing. I'm justified in what I did." 385 00:25:49,291 --> 00:25:51,731 He's not frightened of his own violence. 386 00:25:51,731 --> 00:25:53,131 He's not frightened of what he's done. 387 00:25:53,131 --> 00:25:56,371 He stayed there with the body. 388 00:25:56,371 --> 00:25:57,851 He's comfortable being there with the body. 389 00:26:05,541 --> 00:26:08,501 It's now that Daniel decides to flee the scene of crime. 390 00:26:10,941 --> 00:26:13,461 He goes on the run in his father's car. 391 00:26:15,301 --> 00:26:17,661 But first, he makes another stop at a bank. 392 00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:24,861 And CCTV from the cashier's desk shows a smiling killer. 393 00:26:25,701 --> 00:26:29,101 He then withdrew some cash - 300 pounds cash. 394 00:26:29,101 --> 00:26:33,301 That demonstrates his lack of thinking it through. 395 00:26:33,301 --> 00:26:37,381 Why would you not have cash in the first instance? So, he knew 396 00:26:37,381 --> 00:26:40,181 he was going to kill him, but he didn't know what to do afterwards. 397 00:26:40,181 --> 00:26:43,621 And, you know, it brings it back to why did he stay in 398 00:26:43,621 --> 00:26:46,901 the house overnight? Well, he was perhaps thinking about what to do, 399 00:26:46,901 --> 00:26:50,781 because he'd got no means of escape and if he'd got no cash, 400 00:26:50,781 --> 00:26:54,541 then how was he going to escape? 401 00:26:54,541 --> 00:26:57,461 When he goes to the bank, you can see that what he's really craving 402 00:26:57,461 --> 00:26:59,381 is some kind of interaction. 403 00:26:59,381 --> 00:27:02,981 You know, he stays as long as he can, talking to the actual cashier, 404 00:27:02,981 --> 00:27:04,461 and he's talking about his injury. 405 00:27:04,461 --> 00:27:05,981 Yes, that's partly to do with covering his tracks, 406 00:27:05,981 --> 00:27:07,661 creating some kind of alibi. 407 00:27:07,661 --> 00:27:10,541 But also, it's about that human interaction. 408 00:27:10,541 --> 00:27:14,261 He's craving something. You almost feel a loneliness there. 409 00:27:14,261 --> 00:27:17,021 Having withdrawn more cash, 410 00:27:17,021 --> 00:27:21,741 Daniel Seggie leaves Derby in his father's car, heading for Cardiff. 411 00:27:26,061 --> 00:27:31,261 By this stage, his brother, having not seen his dad Geoff for two days, 412 00:27:31,261 --> 00:27:34,661 becomes suspicious and he calls the police. 413 00:27:38,381 --> 00:27:42,981 When they got there, they found Geoff's body on his bed, 414 00:27:42,981 --> 00:27:44,301 covered in a duvet. 415 00:27:49,821 --> 00:27:54,661 OK, so, I was commissioned to chair an independent review 416 00:27:54,661 --> 00:27:58,541 into the circumstances surrounding the homicide. 417 00:27:58,541 --> 00:28:02,101 It's interesting that this particular case, 418 00:28:02,101 --> 00:28:04,541 there hadn't been any agency involvement. 419 00:28:04,541 --> 00:28:08,661 Nothing to indicate that 420 00:28:08,661 --> 00:28:12,261 the outcome would've been as horrific as it is and certainly, 421 00:28:12,261 --> 00:28:16,061 there was nothing to indicate that it was an abusive relationship. 422 00:28:16,061 --> 00:28:19,541 The initial suspicions have got to be that Daniel's involved. 423 00:28:19,541 --> 00:28:21,541 Daniel's not in the house. 424 00:28:21,541 --> 00:28:23,261 Geoff's there, dead. 425 00:28:23,261 --> 00:28:24,821 There's no contact with Daniel. 426 00:28:24,821 --> 00:28:27,701 Why wouldn't Daniel report it? 427 00:28:27,701 --> 00:28:32,421 So, Daniel has got to be a prime suspect straightaway. 428 00:28:36,341 --> 00:28:39,981 With police in the house in Mackworth, Daniel Seggie is 429 00:28:39,981 --> 00:28:46,461 150 miles away in Cardiff, having driven off in his father's car. 430 00:28:49,341 --> 00:28:52,261 He heads to the train station. 431 00:28:56,181 --> 00:29:00,341 He bought himself a ticket using cash to go to Glasgow and he took 432 00:29:00,341 --> 00:29:03,701 a train to Glasgow from Cardiff. 433 00:29:07,981 --> 00:29:13,141 6.5 hours later, Daniel Seggie arrives in Glasgow. 434 00:29:16,701 --> 00:29:22,741 It seems to be, it was more of a random, "I'm just gonna go to 435 00:29:22,741 --> 00:29:25,461 that location and then, I'll think about the next location 436 00:29:25,461 --> 00:29:30,821 after that." There doesn't seem to have been a great deal of planning. 437 00:29:30,821 --> 00:29:35,101 Looking at his journey after he left the house, he just seems to 438 00:29:35,101 --> 00:29:41,701 be trying to put as much distance between him and his father's body 439 00:29:41,701 --> 00:29:43,621 as humanly possible. 440 00:29:43,621 --> 00:29:46,741 And he didn't seem to have an end destination in mind. 441 00:29:46,741 --> 00:29:50,021 Daniel Seggie joins the ticket queue. 442 00:29:51,781 --> 00:29:54,781 To everyone else around him, he is just another traveller. 443 00:29:54,781 --> 00:29:58,221 They have no idea there's a killer in their midst. 444 00:29:58,221 --> 00:30:02,541 On December 2, having arrived in Glasgow, 445 00:30:02,541 --> 00:30:06,701 he bought a ticket to Thurso, in the far north of Scotland, 446 00:30:06,701 --> 00:30:10,821 and he also checked in at a hotel for two nights. 447 00:30:12,781 --> 00:30:15,141 With the next train to Thurso two days away, 448 00:30:15,141 --> 00:30:18,861 Daniel Seggie lays low in hostel in Glasgow. 449 00:30:18,861 --> 00:30:24,501 And it seems something's playing on his mind. 450 00:30:24,501 --> 00:30:28,741 He made some internet searches around the police investigation. 451 00:30:28,741 --> 00:30:32,141 I guess he was trying to understand what the police would be doing, 452 00:30:32,141 --> 00:30:35,341 you know, how they would be actively going around pursuing him. 453 00:30:35,341 --> 00:30:40,061 Quite interesting, because what it shows is a lack of organisation 454 00:30:40,061 --> 00:30:43,381 or a lack of thinking through about what he's gonna do after 455 00:30:43,381 --> 00:30:44,941 he's committed the murder. 456 00:30:44,941 --> 00:30:46,821 You know, to start looking on the internet 457 00:30:46,821 --> 00:30:49,621 to see how police investigation is, 458 00:30:49,621 --> 00:30:54,541 you know, you would expect that to have been done beforehand. 459 00:30:54,541 --> 00:30:57,661 And that's not all Daniel Seggie does. 460 00:30:57,661 --> 00:31:01,661 It's at this point, he decides to reach out to the one person he feels 461 00:31:01,661 --> 00:31:05,501 he can confide in - his girlfriend Zoe. 462 00:31:12,541 --> 00:31:14,621 On December 5, 463 00:31:14,621 --> 00:31:18,661 Daniel sent a text message down to his friend Zoe. 464 00:31:18,661 --> 00:31:21,581 He sent me a message saying, "I'm sorry. 465 00:31:21,581 --> 00:31:23,261 I honestly don't know what's happening. 466 00:31:23,261 --> 00:31:26,661 My heart is broken, but also my mind." 467 00:31:26,661 --> 00:31:30,501 But Daniel Seggie's actions actually lead police right 468 00:31:30,501 --> 00:31:32,621 to his hiding place. 469 00:31:32,621 --> 00:31:35,381 Dan Seggie is on the run for five days. 470 00:31:35,381 --> 00:31:40,221 That's a long time to be knowledgeable 471 00:31:40,221 --> 00:31:43,301 about the crime you've committed, to be running out of money, 472 00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:46,501 to be missing home, missing the people you potentially loved. 473 00:31:46,501 --> 00:31:49,261 He's lured in through is girlfriend. 474 00:31:49,261 --> 00:31:52,261 I imagine that when he was talking to her, he had absolute 475 00:31:52,261 --> 00:31:57,221 trust for her, because he had deep feelings and deep meaning with her. 476 00:31:57,221 --> 00:32:01,781 So the fact that she was able to be used by the police to draw him in - 477 00:32:01,781 --> 00:32:04,461 whilst that was really important and necessary - it would've been 478 00:32:04,461 --> 00:32:07,781 incredibly difficult for Dan Seggie to process. 479 00:32:07,781 --> 00:32:11,901 I think Dan was scared and panicked. 480 00:32:11,901 --> 00:32:15,501 I think Dan knew he was gonna get found out. 481 00:32:15,501 --> 00:32:18,541 He left a lot of evidence behind. 482 00:32:18,541 --> 00:32:22,941 So it was just biding his time, really. 483 00:32:24,501 --> 00:32:27,741 Daniel Seggie has evaded police for five days, 484 00:32:27,741 --> 00:32:30,621 but time for this killer is running out. 485 00:32:43,241 --> 00:32:47,081 Seven days after the murder of Geoff Seggie in Derbyshire 486 00:32:47,081 --> 00:32:50,641 and five days after his body was found, 487 00:32:50,641 --> 00:32:53,001 police are ready to pounce on the killer - 488 00:32:53,001 --> 00:32:56,161 his eldest son Daniel Seggie - 489 00:32:59,521 --> 00:33:02,881 after he unwittingly reveals where he is hiding. 490 00:33:12,081 --> 00:33:17,721 He messaged at 3:05 in the morning and told me he's at the Jurys Inn. 491 00:33:17,721 --> 00:33:20,921 That's when the police went and arrested him. 492 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:27,081 The police arrested Daniel Seggie in the reception of the hotel where 493 00:33:27,081 --> 00:33:29,161 he'd been staying for two nights. 494 00:33:31,921 --> 00:33:34,001 When Dan Seggie's arrested, you can clearly see he's waiting for it. 495 00:33:34,001 --> 00:33:39,521 He's expecting it. He's recognised that it's just a waiting game. 496 00:33:39,521 --> 00:33:44,561 It's almost as if when he's led away, he's just accepted it, 497 00:33:44,561 --> 00:33:50,721 and there seems to be little shame, little concern, just a readiness. 498 00:33:50,721 --> 00:33:55,001 Daniel had led police on a manhunt across three countries 499 00:33:55,001 --> 00:34:00,361 from Derbyshire to Wales and finally to Scotland. 500 00:34:00,361 --> 00:34:04,161 But it was his text to girlfriend Zoe revealing his location which 501 00:34:04,161 --> 00:34:05,601 sealed his fate. 502 00:34:09,081 --> 00:34:11,641 I was at the police station in Derby, 503 00:34:11,641 --> 00:34:14,001 so I knew he'd obviously been arrested. 504 00:34:14,001 --> 00:34:16,561 He wouldn't have been expecting it. 505 00:34:16,561 --> 00:34:18,801 He'd honestly have thought it was me then, and he'd probably 506 00:34:18,801 --> 00:34:22,121 have gave me some rough idea of what had happened, 507 00:34:22,121 --> 00:34:24,361 then he'd probably plan his next move. 508 00:34:24,361 --> 00:34:27,001 I don't think he would've tried to come back to Derby with me, 509 00:34:27,001 --> 00:34:32,521 but I think it was more he wanted to see me for comfort sort of thing. 510 00:34:35,761 --> 00:34:38,961 With Daniel in custody, police hope he will crack 511 00:34:38,961 --> 00:34:44,361 under questioning and reveal a motive behind the horrific crime. 512 00:34:44,361 --> 00:34:47,761 What would drive a loving son to kill his father? 513 00:34:50,161 --> 00:34:53,121 During his police interview, he obviously doesn't make any comment, 514 00:34:53,121 --> 00:34:55,001 which is his right. 515 00:34:55,001 --> 00:34:58,081 But obviously, I thought Dan was innocent. 516 00:34:58,081 --> 00:35:00,481 I thought it was all a mistake and I didn't know what was going off, 517 00:35:00,481 --> 00:35:03,521 so I just presumed they would question Dan and then, 518 00:35:03,521 --> 00:35:07,721 he'd be walking out and it'd all be a dream, something else. 519 00:35:07,721 --> 00:35:11,041 He'd give an explanation why this has happened. 520 00:35:11,041 --> 00:35:13,401 My understanding is that it was a no-comment interview all the way 521 00:35:13,401 --> 00:35:17,241 through. I don't think he gave away any information. 522 00:35:17,241 --> 00:35:20,921 Police had found the murder weapons under Daniel's bed, 523 00:35:20,921 --> 00:35:23,921 the packaging of the knife hidden between the wall and his bed, 524 00:35:23,921 --> 00:35:25,921 his fingerprints all over it. 525 00:35:30,041 --> 00:35:32,841 The evidence against Daniel Seggie was overwhelming. 526 00:35:32,841 --> 00:35:36,041 Yet still, he refused to speak to police. 527 00:35:37,921 --> 00:35:41,961 Daniel Seggie has picked up quite a fearsome knife 528 00:35:41,961 --> 00:35:48,481 and chosen to attack his father in such a vicious way. 529 00:35:48,481 --> 00:35:50,161 And then, once that's happened, 530 00:35:50,161 --> 00:35:53,281 he's then picked up a hammer and done that as well. 531 00:35:53,281 --> 00:35:55,921 Now, whether the hammer was to hand, whether he 532 00:35:55,921 --> 00:35:59,601 took the weapons into the bedroom, whether there was that, you know, 533 00:35:59,601 --> 00:36:01,841 couple of minutes of pre-planning where he said in his head, 534 00:36:01,841 --> 00:36:05,521 "I'm gonna do this," only Daniel Seggie will know. 535 00:36:06,681 --> 00:36:10,041 You know, something's happened and it's created the situation 536 00:36:10,041 --> 00:36:13,961 and then it's kind of a panic and something that's taken over 537 00:36:13,961 --> 00:36:18,001 and he's panicked and lost control and, you know, 538 00:36:18,001 --> 00:36:20,361 all that kind of thing. 539 00:36:20,361 --> 00:36:24,761 It's not the behaviour you would associate with 540 00:36:24,761 --> 00:36:28,361 an average kid that goes to school, 541 00:36:28,361 --> 00:36:32,361 has a...you know, fun-loving guy 542 00:36:32,361 --> 00:36:35,801 who thinks about his family and thinks family is everything. 543 00:36:35,801 --> 00:36:39,281 It's not the kind of behaviour you'd expect with that. So, well, 544 00:36:39,281 --> 00:36:42,761 something's obviously tipped him over the edge, whatever that is. 545 00:36:42,761 --> 00:36:48,201 When there is such anger, when somebody feels that they need to 546 00:36:48,201 --> 00:36:52,881 lash out in this way, in, you know, in a single event, it's because, 547 00:36:52,881 --> 00:36:56,721 probably, that in the past, when this person has upset them, 548 00:36:56,721 --> 00:36:59,161 they have had no control. 549 00:36:59,161 --> 00:37:03,641 And usually, that's things that may have happened in childhood, 550 00:37:03,641 --> 00:37:06,921 abusive behaviours, all sorts of abuses, 551 00:37:06,921 --> 00:37:11,441 that perhaps parents are in a position to mete out. 552 00:37:20,961 --> 00:37:25,841 Daniel Seggie is charged with murdering his father. 553 00:37:25,841 --> 00:37:28,721 As yet, the police have no motive. 554 00:37:28,721 --> 00:37:32,041 Once again, they turn to Daniel's girlfriend, Zoe. 555 00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:35,681 Could she be the key to discovering what lay behind this brutal crime? 556 00:37:37,201 --> 00:37:41,441 One month after his arrest and he agrees to a visit from Zoe 557 00:37:41,441 --> 00:37:43,761 at the prison where he is on remand. 558 00:37:46,561 --> 00:37:49,681 It was scary, obviously. I've never been to somewhere like that before. 559 00:37:49,681 --> 00:37:52,601 It's not something I was ever wanting to go. 560 00:37:52,601 --> 00:37:54,401 It's just odd environment. 561 00:37:54,401 --> 00:37:59,041 And then, just seeing him there, he just looked so vulnerable and 562 00:37:59,041 --> 00:38:04,561 so out of place. It just, it wasn't for him, the sort of person I knew. 563 00:38:04,561 --> 00:38:10,041 He, like, looked all quiet and scared, but he said he 564 00:38:10,041 --> 00:38:13,441 was getting on with everyone, he was keeping his head down. 565 00:38:13,441 --> 00:38:16,361 Telling me still, he's innocent, 'cause I asked him to try and 566 00:38:16,361 --> 00:38:21,761 tell me what had happened, but he just turned off the subject. 567 00:38:21,761 --> 00:38:23,641 He wasn't interested. 568 00:38:24,441 --> 00:38:27,441 With Daniel revealing nothing further as to why he had 569 00:38:27,441 --> 00:38:32,201 committed this most horrific crime, it's left for him to face his fate. 570 00:38:36,161 --> 00:38:39,601 Almost six months after the murder of Geoff Seggie, 571 00:38:39,601 --> 00:38:43,281 his son Daniel appears at court for his trial. 572 00:38:45,081 --> 00:38:47,041 But it appears, once again, 573 00:38:47,041 --> 00:38:51,281 he doesn't want to have to account for his actions on that day. 574 00:38:51,281 --> 00:38:53,201 He pleaded guilty 575 00:38:53,201 --> 00:38:58,601 at the first opportunity at Nottingham Crown Court. 576 00:38:58,601 --> 00:39:02,881 Ultimately, he could've said anything, because his father, 577 00:39:02,881 --> 00:39:04,601 Geoff, was dead. 578 00:39:04,601 --> 00:39:07,441 Geoff couldn't say, "No, that didn't happen." 579 00:39:07,441 --> 00:39:09,441 A lot of it was down to Daniel. 580 00:39:09,441 --> 00:39:12,441 So, he could've said all sorts of things, 581 00:39:12,441 --> 00:39:14,001 but he chose not to. 582 00:39:16,401 --> 00:39:20,801 I think he pleaded guilty because he felt justified, 583 00:39:20,801 --> 00:39:24,801 at some level, for doing what he had done. 584 00:39:24,801 --> 00:39:29,961 The controversial part is that he won't say what that motivation is. 585 00:39:32,281 --> 00:39:36,441 But there is one. There's always a motivation with all murders. 586 00:39:36,441 --> 00:39:42,801 And him refusing to say what it is, means it's very personal. 587 00:39:44,561 --> 00:39:47,881 When Daniel Seggie appeared at court for sentencing, 588 00:39:47,881 --> 00:39:52,561 the judge revealed the extent of the injuries to his father. 589 00:39:52,561 --> 00:39:55,801 Geoff Seggie's carotid artery had been severed, 590 00:39:55,801 --> 00:39:58,201 leading to immediate death. 591 00:39:58,201 --> 00:40:02,281 Daniel Seggie didn't show very much emotion at all. 592 00:40:02,281 --> 00:40:04,561 There was just a neutral reaction from him. 593 00:40:04,561 --> 00:40:06,561 I do remember he had a hearing loop on and he's listening 594 00:40:06,561 --> 00:40:09,521 to the proceedings going on. 595 00:40:10,561 --> 00:40:16,001 When I saw Dan in court, he was a completely different person. 596 00:40:16,001 --> 00:40:19,201 This is when I started thinking, "Maybe there is more to this than 597 00:40:19,201 --> 00:40:21,041 what he was letting on and the Dan I knew," 598 00:40:21,041 --> 00:40:23,241 because there was just no remorse. 599 00:40:23,241 --> 00:40:25,521 He was just in the box, come straight in. He didn't 600 00:40:25,521 --> 00:40:31,441 even acknowledge his family or myself, my sister, all his friends. 601 00:40:31,441 --> 00:40:34,721 He just turned away. He was just looking straight to the judge, 602 00:40:34,721 --> 00:40:39,921 like he had other things to do and he wanted it to all be over with. 603 00:40:39,921 --> 00:40:45,241 The judge sentenced him to life with a minimum tariff of 20 years. 604 00:40:47,721 --> 00:40:52,041 Well, the judge told that he'd carried out a brutal, merciless 605 00:40:52,041 --> 00:40:55,681 and sustained attack on a naked man in his own bedroom, and that 606 00:40:55,681 --> 00:40:58,841 his father must have suffered considerable pain and anguish. 607 00:40:58,841 --> 00:41:00,041 He said, "Send him down." 608 00:41:00,041 --> 00:41:06,481 Daniel just took his hearing loop off, stood up and walked off. 609 00:41:06,481 --> 00:41:11,081 There was very little, you know, eye contact with his family 610 00:41:11,081 --> 00:41:13,681 or with anyone in the public gallery or the press bench. 611 00:41:13,681 --> 00:41:16,121 Not even with his own barrister. 612 00:41:16,121 --> 00:41:19,761 He just took the hearing loop off and walked off. 613 00:41:19,761 --> 00:41:22,521 Justice has been served. 614 00:41:22,521 --> 00:41:23,881 But for the family and friends, 615 00:41:23,881 --> 00:41:26,601 there are questions which may never be answered. 616 00:41:26,601 --> 00:41:30,281 In a victim statement read out in court, Daniel's mother said, 617 00:41:30,281 --> 00:41:32,841 "She still loved her son, but hated what he'd done 618 00:41:32,841 --> 00:41:35,121 and was left asking, "Why?"" 619 00:41:41,081 --> 00:41:46,601 I think something snapped in Daniel Seggie and he attacked his father. 620 00:41:46,601 --> 00:41:51,401 I don't know what it is that snapped, but something did. 621 00:41:51,401 --> 00:41:53,681 When you look at this case, it's hard to imagine that 622 00:41:53,681 --> 00:41:57,161 there weren't any driving forces or triggers behind 623 00:41:57,161 --> 00:41:59,441 Dan Seggie's murdering his father. 624 00:41:59,441 --> 00:42:05,201 But the truth is, people do have the potential to snap, 625 00:42:05,201 --> 00:42:08,681 even for some of the most simplest scenarios. 626 00:42:08,681 --> 00:42:14,361 So there is also a possibility that Dan Seggie was just another killer. 627 00:42:16,401 --> 00:42:17,721 Perhaps no-one will ever know 628 00:42:17,721 --> 00:42:20,401 what drove Daniel Seggie to murder his father. 629 00:42:20,401 --> 00:42:22,521 After all, 630 00:42:22,521 --> 00:42:26,801 there's only two people who know what took place that day and why. 631 00:42:26,801 --> 00:42:30,561 One of them is in prison and one of them is dead. 632 00:42:33,281 --> 00:42:37,401 It's still a massive shock, even, like, a year down the line, 633 00:42:37,401 --> 00:42:40,161 because, you know, people ask me about him 634 00:42:40,161 --> 00:42:42,841 and I'm still there defending the guy. 635 00:42:42,841 --> 00:42:45,201 Like, Dan, I'll still always stick up for. 636 00:42:45,201 --> 00:42:48,201 He was always the guy that never did anything wrong to me. 637 00:42:48,201 --> 00:42:51,121 He always supported me. He always had my back and the kids. 638 00:42:51,121 --> 00:42:55,521 It still seems unbelievable, but obviously, the evidence is there. 639 00:42:55,521 --> 00:42:58,561 He's been sentenced and he's gotta do his time. 640 00:42:58,561 --> 00:43:01,201 But I try and forget about that and just try and think about 641 00:43:01,201 --> 00:43:06,041 the good Dan and the good times we had and try and blank that bit out. 642 00:43:24,921 --> 00:43:27,921 Captioned by Ai-Media ai-media.tv