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Ambulance, police emergency.

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Is it possible to
get away with murder?

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What does a killer
do after committing

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the most heinous of crimes?

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There was also placed items
around Sian's body that could

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have caused you to believe that
this was a burglary gone wrong.

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Do they carry on as normal
and hide in plain sight?

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He violently killed this woman
and watched her bleed and die

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and he just went round
about his business as usual.

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Or go on the run?

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He's always on foot.

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He had his bag over his shoulder.
We had him on camera.

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How do the actions of a killer,
after their crime,

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influence the police investigation?

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He thought that he'd managed
to conceal all evidence

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of any blood on his footwear
and hadn't anticipated

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that we would find blood
on his footwear.

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By focusing on the aftermath,
we unpick the mindset of a killer,

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understand the motive and reveal
what the killer did next.

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In 1998, 29-year-old Sian Roberts
moved to this quiet street in Salford

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near Manchester and
gave birth to a baby daughter.

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Sian trained as a hairdresser at a
local college and soon found work.

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But after her father's death
and a series of break-ups,

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she began to struggle with
depression.

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In 2015, her mother died.

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Having nursed her through a long
illness, the loss hit Sian hard.

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Sian cared for her parents

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up until their deaths
and this really did affect her.

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She suffered from depression
and she really felt like she

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needed a fresh start.

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But the local community rallied
round and by the end of the year,

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Sian was starting to
turn her life around.

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Of who within the community, there
are people who cared for Sian.

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In fairness, it's no
different to anywhere else.

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It's a diverse community.

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But in November 2015,
everything would change forever.

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Having not seen her
for a couple of days,

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Sian's friends start
to become concerned.

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One of them goes to her house
and is shocked by what he finds.

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Within minutes, first responders
arrive in the cul-de-sac.

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My name is Pam Mather.

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I've worked for Greater Manchester
Police for 19 years

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and I currently hold the position
of Crime Scene Manager.

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It was on the Sunday evening.

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I was on a 2:10 shift
and the DI contacted me directly

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and asked me to attend the scene.

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He explained that it was
a suspicious death.

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At the scene, police are
met with a man claiming to be

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a friend of Sian's, who says he
found her lying dead in her bedroom.

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This is the same man who had made
the emergency call from her house.

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He had found Sian and it was him
that had alerted the police

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to attend at the property.

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We entered upstairs of the property,

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where we were told that there was a
body, a female body, on the floor,

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in what would be the back bedroom.

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When police try entering the room,
it appears to be blocked.

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You couldn't really enter the scene
of the bedroom

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because
the door would only open ajar.

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You could see, just from
opening that door,

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that there was numerous items
spilt around that floor -

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clothing, boxes, wardrobe door,
footwear scattered all around.

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Police managed to break
their way into the bedroom,

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and find Sian dead on the floor.

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A knife had also been placed
into Sian's hand, potentially,

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initially making it look like she'd
inflicted the wounds to herself.

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Just from the injuries,
from the scale,

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from the depth of the injury
to the right side of the chest,

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we knew that the murder weapon was
bigger than the knife in her hand.

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This wasn't a suicide,
self-inflicted or accidental.

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This was a murder enquiry.

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Police launch a
murder investigation.

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But first,
they need to secure the scene.

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The man who made the 999 call
is taken to the station

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to give a statement.

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It's quite clear from that,

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that he's very distressed
at what he's seen.

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He's very concerned and he's
very distressed on the phone

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when he makes that call.

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Police swiftly assess
the scene before them

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to try to ascertain
what had really gone on.

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A lot of items had been tipped out
and placed onto Sian's body.

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There was also some sex toys,
a vibrator and some handcuffs.

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Was this a burglary gone wrong

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or was there a sexual motive
behind this brutal crime?

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Police then make a
crucial discovery.

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After Sian had been stabbed,

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it's quite clear that she'd lived
for a time after,

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because there's evidence at the
murder scene - in the bedroom -

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that Sian, at some point, had been
sat on the side of the bed,

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bleeding out.

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But, of course, she's found on
the floor at the side of the bed.

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That was denoted by the large pool
of blood

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that was found on the floor
just under the bed,

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which would indicate
that she has been moved

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during or potentially after
she has passed away.

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It's now clear that
after killing Sian,

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her attacker moved her body.

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Could her killer have then
panicked and called the police?

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Police immediately hone in
on the man who found Sian.

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Mother-of-one Sian Roberts
has been murdered,

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her body found in her home
by her friend -

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a man by the name of Joel Gordon.

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But having assessed the scene
and discovered Sian's body

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was moved after her death,
police have a theory.

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The working hypotheses that we had
was that Joel Gordon,

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who found her, was involved in
the murder following an argument.

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Police immediately arrest
36-year-old Joel Gordon

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so they can interview
him under caution

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to ascertain if he knows
more about what happened.

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A 36-year-old man has been arrested
on suspicion of murder,

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after a woman
was found dead in Salford.

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Officers were called to St Heliers
Drive last night.

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Police say the area is still
cordoned off

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to find out how she died.

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Detectives want to know who Joel is

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and what his relationship is
with Sian.

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They were childhood sweethearts and
they reconnected later on in life.

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People would describe them as
inseparable and that they had

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a really strong connection.

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Despite the pair having given
their relationship another go,

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they soon split up, but remained
friends and in daily contact.

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Joel Gordon, a very interesting
character -

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albeit all the family
of Sian was saying he was

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a good influence and good for her.

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When Joel is questioned by police,
he maintains his innocence

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and explains that he
broke into Sian's home

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after not being able to get
through to her for almost two days.

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Joel was explaining that he had
found Sian and it was him that

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had alerted the police
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Joel found her. The events
on the Sunday night,

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having failed to get hold of her
on the phone,

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having failed to get
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he goes round to the back
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and the back patio door was open.

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So he goes in, up to the bedroom
and he finds Sian.

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He gave quite a graphic account
as to how he had found Sian,

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what actions he had taken to
see whether she'd passed away.

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He also was able to describe the
crime scene in a level of detail

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that potentially somebody
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wouldn't have been able to do.

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When detectives look
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they make a key discovery.

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He has a criminal history.

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He'd killed someone previously.

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He was, in fact, a man who is
out on licence, having been

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convicted of a previous murder,
which was a knife murder.

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Police quickly establish
that Joel Gordon has already

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served time for murder back in 1997,
after stabbing a teenager to death.

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That person had a past which was
very concerning and that put him

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at the top of the list of suspects.

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Because of his criminal past, police
are able to keep Joel in custody

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while they continue their
investigation into Sian's murder.

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When the results of the post
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they reveal Sian suffered
a brutal knife attack.

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The nature in which Sian
had been killed

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appeared to be
incredibly violent to me.

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She'd been stabbed four times.

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That stab wound was the fatal one,
in her right chest area, right side.

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That went in
16cm deep and was 4.1cm wide.

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Sian's wounds
also show a struggle may

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have taken place with her killer.

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She had two potentially defensive
injuries to her right hand,

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where you either grab that
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that's being thrust at you.

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Defensive injuries make you
readily aware

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that that person knows somebody
is coming at them with a knife

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and they think they need to protect
the vital parts of their body.

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That person knows that somebody is
trying to, at the very least,

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really hurt them and probably
kill them.

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With Joel Gordon still in custody,

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forensic officers process
the crime scene,

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hoping to find more evidence
linking him to the murder.

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And when they inspect the pool
of blood in the bedroom

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where Sian was found,
they find footwear marks.

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In some of the clothing that was
around and bedding that had been

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placed on top of Sian,

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it was very evident that
there were footprints in blood.

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So once we'd photographed some
of the footwear evidence

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or footprints in blood and also
latent footprints,

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copies of those impressions were
given to the major incident team

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that was dealing with
this job at the time.

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The footwear, the impressions that
we had, seemed very consistent.

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Footwear impressions in blood
and in Sian's blood.

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They were in the bathroom.

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They were in the bedroom
on different layers of debris

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that was put on top of Sian.

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So we knew what type of
footwear we were looking for.

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Police have a strong clue in
the hunt for Sian's killer.

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Will this link Joel Gordon
to the murder?

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As forensics decide to head back
to compare the footprint

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with Joel's shoes, there's
a development outside Sian's house.

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David Morgan turned up
at the police cordon

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and declared himself
to be boyfriend of Sian.

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And his behaviour,
by the officer that called him,

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was considered a bit odd.

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David Morgan asks the police if
the person inside the property

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has been stabbed.

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But this information has not
been revealed to the public yet.

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It is an immediate
red flag to the police.

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And he was also asking who was
inside the property which,

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as Sian's boyfriend,

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he probably should have known
that she lived there.

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So this raised some eyebrows
with the police force

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and they decided that they should
investigate him further.

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Another hypotheses was that he was
involved because crimes like this,

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generally, it's somebody known
to the victim - not always.

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And you do keep an open mind,

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but you do start
looking close to home first.

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Police want to know
more about David Morgan

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and his relationship with Sian.

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But he leaves the scene before
police can question him further.

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We had a phone number that
he'd left at the cordon.

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He answered once.
He failed to keep an appointment.

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He then didn't answer his phone.

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So his behaviour was strange.

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Detectives become concerned
that David Morgan appears to be

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avoiding their calls.

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Has this man got something to hide?

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We knew he knew the victim,

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so a decision was made to arrest
David Morgan.

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Police have now identified
two suspects in connection

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with Sian's murder -

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an ex-partner
and a current boyfriend.

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When a murder takes place, it's
often the people who are closest

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to them
who've carried out the crime.

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So if you are a partner
or an ex-partner, statistically,

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you are more likely to be
the person who's murdered them.

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Police make their way to David
Morgan's address to arrest him.

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However, upon arrival,

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they stumble across another man
leaving the house.

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This man is called Glyn Williams.

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But before he is able to leave,

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detectives notice his shoes
look rather familiar.

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Glyn Williams was stopped by
a very alert detective

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who said, "Who are you?"

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"Glyn Williams." "Let me
look at your feet, your shoes."

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So he showed him the soles
of his shoes

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and the officer knew that they
were the same type of footwear

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that we were looking for
from the murder scene.

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So Glyn Williams was arrested.

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So that was not just luck,

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it was good, old-fashioned policing.

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Both David Morgan and Glyn Williams
had been arrested in connection with

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Sian Roberts' murder.

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Police now have three
suspects in custody,

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but who was actually responsible?

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So, you're trying to
piece together, are they involved,

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aren't they involved?

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How can we eliminate them?

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With his boots appearing to match the
footprints found in Sian's blood,

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detectives want to know
who is Glyn Williams

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and what is his
connection to Sian Roberts?

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Sian Roberts and Glyn Williams

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met probably
three months prior to her murder.

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They didn't know
each other that long.

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They'd met through mutual friends.

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During a police interview,
Williams describes to police,

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a party that took place at Sian's
home the night before her murder.

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He was absolutely adamant
he hadn't seen Sian.

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He hadn't been with her.

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Police only have a matter of days
to find evidence to charge

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one of their three suspects
or let them go.

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They need to piece together
their movements on the CCTV

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in the days leading up to
and the day of Sian's murder.

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And it isn't long before
police uncover a vital clue.

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It's absolutely crucial.

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It's on camera. It is what it is.

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It has been less than a week

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since Sian Roberts was
found murdered in her home.

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Police still have three
people in custody -

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Joel Gordon,
David Morgan and Glyn Williams.

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There was quite a bit of interest
from the local media, now that

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three people had been arrested
on suspicion of Sian's murder.

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People wanted to know
who had murdered her

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and what the connection was
between three different men.

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Police have a crucial
source of information

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to help them crack the case.

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Hours of CCTV footage of Sian in
the hours leading up to her murder.

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So, we had four people we needed
to track on CCTV

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and we started to piece together
the movements of Sian,

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the movements of Glyn Williams,

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the movements of Joel Gordon,
and we had David Morgan.

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We really do go far and wide
for CCTV,

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because it's absolutely crucial

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and it's something
that cannot be argued.

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It's on camera. It is what it is.

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When police trawl through
the local CCTV,

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they manage to locate video footage
that reveals a group of people

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entering Sian's house
the night before her death.

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We were very, very fortunate in that

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we had a camera from another
residence

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that covered the front address
of Sian's house.

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So what that CCTV showed was
the events on the Friday night,

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into the Saturday morning, whereby
her friends attended her property

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and they had a party
on the Friday night.

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When police watched closely,

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they see five people enter the house
at 9:10pm, one by one.

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But five hours later,
only four people leave.

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The following morning,

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the CCTV reveals Sian leaving her
home with a man.

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Just after 10am, they both return.
They both enter the house.

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One of them is Sian.
The other is her killer.

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Police hone in on the person
seen with Sian

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leaving her house at 9:35am,

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30 minutes before
she was viciously murdered.

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But can they identify this person?

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Police spread their net wider
and locate multiple cameras

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in the local area,

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tracking the pair's movements
before they return to Sian's house

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in St Heliers Drive 30 minutes later.

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They go to a cafe called The
Godfather Cafe, where they separate.

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Sian goes in and buys two
breakfasts.

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The other person appears to
walk off up the high street

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while Sian waits inside.

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But some minutes later,

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Sian's friend returns and can be
clearly seen outside.

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Sian sees him.

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They speak to each other.

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She waits for the breakfast
to be completed cooking

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and then follows him
to a local shop.

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And when police trawl the CCTV
in this local shop,

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they finally identify the man
as 53-year-old Glyn Williams.

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When the police bring him in
for interview,

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Williams doesn't know he's been
spotted on CCTV with Sian.

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Glyn Williams denies
being with Sian Roberts

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on the morning she was murdered.

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But police believe the CCTV
footage proves otherwise.

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And when the DNA results
from the footprints found

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in Sian's blood come back,
they point to one clear suspect.

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It was Sian's blood on his shoes.

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Once we'd presented him with that,

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he then came up with the story
of he found her.

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He went in the back patio doors
and he found her in that state.

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He didn't ring the police

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because he thought he would get
arrested for murder.

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00:25:03,206 --> 00:25:07,246
Glyn Williams now changes his story.

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00:25:07,326 --> 00:25:11,086
Having initially claimed he
last saw Sian on Friday night

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when she was still alive, he now
tells police he discovered her dead

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00:25:15,766 --> 00:25:19,326
and panicked, fleeing
the scene without reporting it.

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Something he claims he is ashamed of.

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Detectives re-look at the CCTV

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to see if Glyn Williams
actually left the house

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shortly after finding Sian's body.

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00:26:03,566 --> 00:26:06,926
But they quickly discover
he did not leave her house

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until several hours later.

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CCTV and DNA evidence put Glyn
Williams at the scene of the murder

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00:26:47,806 --> 00:26:49,926
around the time it was committed.

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00:26:50,006 --> 00:26:51,726
But who is Glyn Williams?

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How does his path cross with Sian's
and why would he want to kill her?

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00:27:02,566 --> 00:27:04,566
Sian had a troubled life.

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00:27:04,646 --> 00:27:07,006
She got involved in
drugs early in her life.

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Her family, her sister,
had tried to help her give up drugs.

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She'd even been living at her
sister's house in the weeks prior

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to her death, in an effort to go
cold turkey to give up the drugs.

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00:27:20,126 --> 00:27:23,006
But that had failed
and she'd left her sister's house

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00:27:23,086 --> 00:27:27,046
and gone back to her group
of friends and drug taking.

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During this time, Sian was
introduced to Glyn Williams.

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00:27:32,006 --> 00:27:35,006
Sian and Glyn knew each other

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because of their common use
of drugs.

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They were both drug users
and hence, from that,

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had a very chaotic lifestyle.

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People would say that Sian was a
very friendly and lovely person who

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had a lot of friends. But perhaps
after the death of her parents,

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she was a bit lonely and she liked
to invite people into her house.

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00:27:53,366 --> 00:27:57,446
On the night before Sian's murder,
several people went to her house.

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They are caught on a
neighbour's CCTV camera.

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One of these partygoers
is Glyn Williams.

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00:28:18,966 --> 00:28:21,086
The following morning,
both Glyn and Sian

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are seen walking towards
The Godfather Cafe.

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00:28:25,926 --> 00:28:28,126
Sian is on her way to
buy them both breakfast,

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unaware her companion will kill
her within the next 30 minutes.

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Shortly afterwards,
Sian follows Glyn to a local shop.

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They start a conversation
and then leave.

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Moments later, they are seen
returning to her house.

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Just after 10am, they arrive back,

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00:29:05,286 --> 00:29:06,966
enter,

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00:29:07,046 --> 00:29:09,886
but Sian is never seen again.

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Our view is that he killed Sian
very shortly after they returned

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to her house on the morning
of Saturday, 28 November.

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They went in with their breakfasts.
They didn't eat them.

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00:29:29,366 --> 00:29:32,166
There was only one sausage
that had a slice taken out of it

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and the fork that they had used
had Glyn's DNA on it.

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00:29:36,366 --> 00:29:40,726
He then spends approximately
the next seven hours in the house,

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00:29:40,806 --> 00:29:43,806
compromising the crime scene,

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00:29:43,886 --> 00:29:46,926
disguising it,
positioning Sian's body.

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00:29:47,006 --> 00:29:50,486
Following this,
Glyn Williams stays in the property

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00:29:50,566 --> 00:29:54,806
and attempts to remove himself
from any traces of the crime.

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00:29:54,886 --> 00:29:56,166
In the bathroom,

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00:29:56,246 --> 00:30:00,686
we actually found DNA evidence
to suggest that Glyn Williams

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00:30:00,766 --> 00:30:04,926
had actually been in that bathroom,
potentially bleeding.

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00:30:05,006 --> 00:30:09,526
We found a diluted blood stain on
the window sill of the bathroom,

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00:30:09,606 --> 00:30:14,486
which turned out to be a
mixed profile DNA sample

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00:30:14,566 --> 00:30:18,246
from both Sian and Glyn Williams.

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00:30:27,006 --> 00:30:31,646
Glyn Williams remains in
Sian's house for several hours.

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00:30:31,726 --> 00:30:34,686
He's waited for the cover
of darkness.

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00:30:34,766 --> 00:30:37,126
He leaves via a neighbour's garden,

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00:30:37,206 --> 00:30:40,206
so he's hopped over a couple
of back garden fences,

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00:30:40,286 --> 00:30:43,326
because
we have him on CCTV, coming out.

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00:30:45,966 --> 00:30:49,686
And from there, he then just resumes
his normal daily business

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00:30:49,766 --> 00:30:52,446
of going buying drugs,
going mixing with drug takers,

401
00:30:52,526 --> 00:30:53,646
and socialising with people.

402
00:30:59,726 --> 00:31:04,286
The following day,
Williams meets up with friends

403
00:31:04,366 --> 00:31:07,846
and makes himself known to Sian's
current boyfriend, David Morgan.

404
00:31:09,806 --> 00:31:11,246
He wants information.

405
00:31:11,326 --> 00:31:13,246
He wants to see if the police
are going to get close to him.

406
00:31:13,326 --> 00:31:15,926
So, he's befriended David Morgan

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00:31:16,006 --> 00:31:21,206
and presented himself
as a friend of Sian's,

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00:31:21,286 --> 00:31:23,046
when that actually wasn't true.

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00:31:26,766 --> 00:31:28,286
But it's this new friendship

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00:31:28,366 --> 00:31:31,646
which leads Glyn Williams right
into the arms of the police.

411
00:31:31,726 --> 00:31:36,526
Police have three men in custody,
but all the evidence is pointing

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00:31:36,606 --> 00:31:39,686
to Glyn Williams as being
Sian's killer.

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00:31:39,766 --> 00:31:44,406
But with Glyn claiming he was in the
property but did not murder Sian,

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00:31:44,486 --> 00:31:48,566
detectives need irrefutable evidence
before they can charge him.

415
00:31:55,446 --> 00:31:57,606
Police interrogate
Joel Gordon and David Morgan

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00:31:57,686 --> 00:32:00,486
and are told by both men
that they had, in fact,

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00:32:00,566 --> 00:32:03,606
been calling Sian for two days
before she was found.

418
00:32:03,686 --> 00:32:07,406
Police follow this through
and check the phone records

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00:32:07,486 --> 00:32:11,566
of Joel Gordon and
David Morgan during 29 November.

420
00:32:11,646 --> 00:32:15,766
Some of the telephone evidence
was really important.

421
00:32:15,846 --> 00:32:18,046
They were making calls to Sian.

422
00:32:18,126 --> 00:32:23,086
And even though at the murder scene
the phone was there,

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00:32:23,166 --> 00:32:24,926
but the sim card had been taken out,

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00:32:25,006 --> 00:32:27,166
the battery had
been taken out by Glyn Williams.

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00:32:27,246 --> 00:32:32,926
It was the phone calls going
in to try and locate Sian

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00:32:33,006 --> 00:32:35,926
from Joel Gordon
and from David Morgan

427
00:32:36,006 --> 00:32:39,166
that certainly helped us to
eliminate them

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00:32:39,246 --> 00:32:41,006
from the investigation.

429
00:32:41,086 --> 00:32:43,446
Police release the two men.

430
00:32:43,526 --> 00:32:46,966
They need to build their
case against Glyn Williams.

431
00:32:47,046 --> 00:32:52,006
Days later,
new DNA results return from the lab.

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00:32:52,086 --> 00:32:54,406
There is a breakthrough.

433
00:33:01,318 --> 00:33:04,918
53-year-old Glyn Williams has been
interviewed by police for two days

434
00:33:04,998 --> 00:33:07,078
for the murder of Sian Roberts.

435
00:33:07,158 --> 00:33:09,998
After exploring all the evidence,

436
00:33:10,078 --> 00:33:13,478
police now know their killer is
sitting right in front of them.

437
00:33:13,558 --> 00:33:16,758
Detectives are prepared to
offer him one, final chance

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00:33:16,838 --> 00:33:19,478
to confess the truth.

439
00:33:45,478 --> 00:33:47,478
He isn't commenting.
He isn't responding.

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00:33:47,558 --> 00:33:51,878
His body language demonstrates
quite a lot of arrogance.

441
00:33:51,958 --> 00:33:53,918
It's almost as if he's resenting.

442
00:33:53,998 --> 00:33:56,638
"How dare you
question me about this?"

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00:34:07,118 --> 00:34:12,278
He deflected anything that pointed
evidence at him by simply either not

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00:34:12,358 --> 00:34:15,078
answering it or saying, "You've
got it wrong," in interview.

445
00:34:23,558 --> 00:34:25,358
With Glyn still denying
his involvement,

446
00:34:25,438 --> 00:34:29,518
police need to decide whether
to charge him or release him.

447
00:34:29,598 --> 00:34:34,878
But then, new DNA results come in
and it's a game changer.

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00:34:39,718 --> 00:34:43,358
Glyn Williams' cellular material
was found under Sian's fingernails.

449
00:34:43,438 --> 00:34:47,198
Significantly to that is, on arrest,

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00:34:47,278 --> 00:34:52,278
Glyn Williams
had some scratch marks on his throat

451
00:34:52,358 --> 00:34:56,118
that indicated that Sian had
scratched him during the struggle

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00:34:56,198 --> 00:34:58,358
and the altercation
that took place.

453
00:35:01,158 --> 00:35:04,118
This evidence proved to police
that Glyn Williams must have fought

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00:35:04,198 --> 00:35:07,718
Sian that morning, after they'd
returned with their breakfast.

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00:35:15,598 --> 00:35:18,398
And that, in a fit of rage,
he stabbed her to death.

456
00:35:22,958 --> 00:35:25,918
And yet, even with all the evidence
stacked against him,

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00:35:25,998 --> 00:35:29,038
police do not have
a clear motive for the crime.

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00:35:31,838 --> 00:35:34,918
But friends of Sian reveal
to detectives that she had

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00:35:34,998 --> 00:35:37,278
to fend off Glyn's unwanted advances.

460
00:35:41,358 --> 00:35:42,678
Glyn was attracted to Sian.

461
00:35:42,758 --> 00:35:46,398
He was attracted to her and wanted
to go into a relationship with her.

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00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:49,958
Glyn Williams was
telling people that he loved Sian

463
00:35:50,038 --> 00:35:51,878
and he wanted to marry her,
but it turns out,

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00:35:51,958 --> 00:35:53,558
he was actually giving her gifts
of jewellery

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00:35:53,638 --> 00:35:55,038
that belonged to other people.

466
00:35:55,118 --> 00:35:59,558
And it appears it wasn't just
other people Glyn was stealing from.

467
00:35:59,638 --> 00:36:03,518
Police believe he had
started to steal from Sian.

468
00:36:03,598 --> 00:36:05,878
And on the morning of her murder,

469
00:36:05,958 --> 00:36:08,518
they believe he was trying
to sell jewellery

470
00:36:08,598 --> 00:36:10,478
he had stolen from her house.

471
00:36:13,718 --> 00:36:17,918
He had disposed of some of her
property earlier that day.

472
00:36:17,998 --> 00:36:22,078
He'd passed on cheap items of
jewellery

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00:36:22,158 --> 00:36:25,158
to a shop in Chiltern Hills

474
00:36:25,238 --> 00:36:29,438
and he is seen on CCTV going
into that shop, bending down,

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00:36:29,518 --> 00:36:30,678
opening his rucksack,

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00:36:30,758 --> 00:36:34,238
as Sian comes back to meet him
with their breakfast.

477
00:36:35,998 --> 00:36:38,958
Police interview the shop worker
seen present in this footage,

478
00:36:39,038 --> 00:36:43,398
who confirms that Glyn Williams was
about to show him some jewellery,

479
00:36:43,478 --> 00:36:45,238
but is interrupted
when Sian walks in.

480
00:36:49,798 --> 00:36:54,518
I think, Glyn Williams'
violence towards Sian

481
00:36:54,598 --> 00:36:58,198
was probably escalated

482
00:36:58,278 --> 00:37:00,878
because he was stealing from her
and she's probably found him.

483
00:37:00,958 --> 00:37:02,118
That's what we believe.

484
00:37:02,198 --> 00:37:07,158
And Sian is not somebody who
will sit back and accept that.

485
00:37:07,238 --> 00:37:09,078
She will have
challenged him for sure.

486
00:37:10,798 --> 00:37:13,398
Police believe that when Sian
confronted Williams,

487
00:37:13,478 --> 00:37:16,318
it caused the argument
which erupted into violence

488
00:37:16,398 --> 00:37:18,558
and led to her untimely death.

489
00:37:21,518 --> 00:37:22,678
Police have everything they need

490
00:37:22,758 --> 00:37:25,518
to charge Glyn Williams
with the murder of Sian Roberts.

491
00:37:25,598 --> 00:37:28,078
He now faces a murder trial

492
00:37:28,158 --> 00:37:30,918
and a jury will ultimately decide
his fate.

493
00:37:30,998 --> 00:37:35,198
But this isn't the first time Glyn
Williams has been linked to a crime.

494
00:37:35,278 --> 00:37:38,878
His life is, in fact,
a story of crime.

495
00:37:38,958 --> 00:37:45,118
He's a great criminal. You know,
from the 1970s, he's been thieving.

496
00:37:45,198 --> 00:37:49,958
He's a burglar.
He's many, many events of burglary.

497
00:37:50,038 --> 00:37:51,318
Some minor assaults.

498
00:37:51,398 --> 00:37:55,038
What we do know of Glyn Williams,
he, from a young age,

499
00:37:55,118 --> 00:37:57,958
got involved in petty crime
and drug abuse.

500
00:37:58,038 --> 00:38:00,878
He was in and out of
prison for burglary and over time,

501
00:38:00,958 --> 00:38:02,358
became a prolific burglar.

502
00:38:02,438 --> 00:38:06,198
And his criminal backstory
didn't stop there.

503
00:38:08,598 --> 00:38:10,598
25 years before Sian's murder,

504
00:38:10,678 --> 00:38:14,198
a Manchester prison riot
lasted for 25 days.

505
00:38:14,278 --> 00:38:18,158
A shocking revelation was this man
was a key figure in

506
00:38:18,238 --> 00:38:20,958
the Strangeways riot, the longest
prison revolt in British history.

507
00:38:21,038 --> 00:38:25,038
So it's no surprise that someone
who was exposed to violence

508
00:38:25,118 --> 00:38:27,078
from such a young age,
would be able to go off

509
00:38:27,158 --> 00:38:28,958
and do something like this
in later life.

510
00:38:29,038 --> 00:38:32,798
Glyn Williams' history is littered
with rebellion.

511
00:38:32,878 --> 00:38:34,798
He doesn't care for authority.

512
00:38:34,878 --> 00:38:38,038
The riots that he took
part in were violent.

513
00:38:38,118 --> 00:38:39,798
They were sustained.
They were prolonged.

514
00:38:39,878 --> 00:38:43,998
And it was all about saying no
to the rules and regulations.

515
00:38:44,078 --> 00:38:46,198
If you think about him in society,
in general,

516
00:38:46,278 --> 00:38:49,678
that's how he lives his life.
He rejects the norm.

517
00:38:49,758 --> 00:38:53,838
He rejects morality and he does
exactly what he likes to do.

518
00:39:00,861 --> 00:39:02,901
The trial into the murder
of Sian Roberts

519
00:39:02,981 --> 00:39:05,021
begins at Greater Manchester
Crown Court.

520
00:39:05,101 --> 00:39:08,781
The prosecution present every detail
of the evidence

521
00:39:08,861 --> 00:39:10,261
against Glyn Williams.

522
00:39:10,341 --> 00:39:13,741
But even with this
stacked up against him,

523
00:39:13,821 --> 00:39:15,781
Glyn Williams denies it all.

524
00:39:17,381 --> 00:39:21,821
The defence tactic in this trial

525
00:39:21,901 --> 00:39:27,301
was to blame anybody and everybody
except Glyn Williams.

526
00:39:27,381 --> 00:39:31,701
But his favourite line was that
the killer was Joel Gordon,

527
00:39:31,781 --> 00:39:32,941
a convicted killer.

528
00:39:33,021 --> 00:39:37,701
Throughout the course of the trial,
Williams disrupts the courtroom.

529
00:39:37,781 --> 00:39:41,741
He, on occasions, wouldn't come
out of his cell and he'd sacked

530
00:39:41,821 --> 00:39:45,341
two lots of counsel who
were representing him.

531
00:39:45,421 --> 00:39:49,141
That shows his power need.
He wants to control everything.

532
00:39:49,221 --> 00:39:51,621
If it's not going his way,
he will create a diversion

533
00:39:51,701 --> 00:39:54,141
so that he can hopefully
regain that power and control.

534
00:39:54,221 --> 00:40:00,181
And Williams' behaviour
reaches new levels of barbarity.

535
00:40:00,261 --> 00:40:04,701
He actually throws his own
excrement at his defence team.

536
00:40:04,781 --> 00:40:09,581
That is absolutely unheard of.

537
00:40:09,661 --> 00:40:11,861
The fact that somebody would act
that way in court, but it draws us

538
00:40:11,941 --> 00:40:17,421
in to his personality traits
and that's how he's lived his life,

539
00:40:17,501 --> 00:40:21,461
disrespecting rules,
regulations and authority.

540
00:40:21,541 --> 00:40:24,741
And in this scenario where he had
little control,

541
00:40:24,821 --> 00:40:27,701
it was the only way to draw
attention back to him.

542
00:40:31,301 --> 00:40:33,301
In February 2017,

543
00:40:33,381 --> 00:40:37,661
the trial into the murder of
Sian Roberts comes to a close.

544
00:40:37,741 --> 00:40:41,021
The jury have reached a verdict.

545
00:40:41,101 --> 00:40:44,341
The jury came back with their
verdict and they found him guilty

546
00:40:44,421 --> 00:40:48,141
of murder and he was
sentenced to 21 years.

547
00:40:48,221 --> 00:40:52,621
He would not accept his guilt.
He was absolutely dishonest.

548
00:40:52,701 --> 00:40:54,501
A despicable character.

549
00:40:54,581 --> 00:41:00,821
He is just someone who is in denial
of what he's done. He has done it.

550
00:41:00,901 --> 00:41:02,101
There is no question of that.

551
00:41:03,901 --> 00:41:08,181
But even with the case now closed
and Glyn Williams locked behind bars,

552
00:41:08,261 --> 00:41:12,301
nothing will alleviate the pain
inflicted upon Sian's family.

553
00:41:12,981 --> 00:41:17,541
What's really sad about this
case is that Sian represents

554
00:41:17,621 --> 00:41:18,941
so many people out there.

555
00:41:19,021 --> 00:41:23,621
Good, compassionate, loving humans
who unfortunately find themselves

556
00:41:23,701 --> 00:41:26,541
in the throes of a
serious drug addiction.

557
00:41:26,621 --> 00:41:29,941
The most tragic thing about
this case is that Sian simply

558
00:41:30,021 --> 00:41:31,101
got involved in the wrong crowd.

559
00:41:31,181 --> 00:41:33,901
She was trying to kick her drug
addiction for her daughter,

560
00:41:33,981 --> 00:41:36,461
but she could never manage it,
and this is where she ended up.

561
00:41:36,541 --> 00:41:39,501
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