1 00:00:07,335 --> 00:00:09,934 This whole series of events 2 00:00:09,935 --> 00:00:13,174 began with a deliberate decision by a senior officer 3 00:00:13,175 --> 00:00:15,417 to breach the PACE code. 4 00:00:15,442 --> 00:00:16,761 Do you want another one? 5 00:00:16,762 --> 00:00:18,200 Another one? 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:23,084 What resulted was not admissible evidence in a criminal trial. 7 00:00:23,084 --> 00:00:26,226 We should still be OK with the case against him for Sian. 8 00:00:26,227 --> 00:00:27,639 We have the DNA evidence. 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,839 Her blood in his car, his DNA on her body. 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,123 What about Becky? 11 00:00:31,124 --> 00:00:33,639 The confession evidence is all we had. 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,479 And, er, I'm afraid, without that, 13 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:37,679 we'll have to take her name off the indictment. 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,117 Well, this is Fulcher's fault! 15 00:00:40,118 --> 00:00:41,937 Usual deal. None of what we talk about 16 00:00:41,938 --> 00:00:43,679 can be used by ITV until after the verdict. 17 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,639 Yeah, agreed. 18 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,639 Well, he's a serial killer, Rob. 19 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,089 I am convinced of it. 20 00:00:49,089 --> 00:00:53,427 His big hero was that Myra Hindley off the Moors Murders. 21 00:00:53,428 --> 00:00:56,479 I want to make a complaint about one of your police officers. 22 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,639 Well, it's a complaint, Steve. 23 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,639 We'll have to decide whether it constitutes 24 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,446 just misconduct or gross misconduct. 25 00:01:01,447 --> 00:01:03,999 - Really? - He said they were gunning for him. 26 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,639 He felt abandoned by Wiltshire Police, cut adrift. 27 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,639 But where is Becky in the pecking order? 28 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,380 Right down at the bottom, where she's always been. 29 00:01:10,380 --> 00:01:13,019 So you go back and you tell your bosses, no, I am not satisfied. 30 00:01:13,020 --> 00:01:14,379 Not at all. 31 00:01:14,380 --> 00:01:15,380 I had a word with Mike. 32 00:01:15,381 --> 00:01:18,379 Unfortunately, he's already referred it to the IPCC. 33 00:01:18,380 --> 00:01:20,379 They're going to charge you. 34 00:01:20,380 --> 00:01:22,380 Gross misconduct. 35 00:01:31,378 --> 00:01:38,327 _ 36 00:01:39,380 --> 00:01:42,380 - Happy anniversary! - Oh... 37 00:01:43,380 --> 00:01:45,379 - Thank you very much. - Happy anniversary, Mum. 38 00:01:45,380 --> 00:01:46,580 Happy anniversary, Dad. 39 00:01:47,133 --> 00:01:49,133 Oh, that's lovely! 40 00:01:50,380 --> 00:01:52,379 Oh, thank you. That's beautiful. 41 00:01:52,380 --> 00:01:55,219 - They helped me choose it. Didn't you? - Just a little bit. 42 00:01:55,220 --> 00:01:57,380 - Thank you. - Thank you. 43 00:01:59,549 --> 00:02:00,709 Ah-ha! 44 00:02:00,734 --> 00:02:02,734 I've always wanted... 45 00:02:03,380 --> 00:02:06,379 It's got a little red light that flashes if you're too stressed 46 00:02:06,380 --> 00:02:09,379 - and you press it too hard. - Do you think I'm stressed? 47 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:12,379 - Mm, maybe... - And I thought I was hiding it. 48 00:02:12,380 --> 00:02:13,419 [LAUGHTER] 49 00:02:13,420 --> 00:02:16,379 - Maybe a little bit. - Keep out of it, you. 50 00:02:16,380 --> 00:02:19,647 - The card's from all three of us. - Thank you very much. 51 00:02:26,687 --> 00:02:28,379 - We're behind you. - Thank you. 52 00:02:28,380 --> 00:02:31,127 - Happy anniversary. - Mm-hm. 53 00:02:32,380 --> 00:02:33,727 That helps me a lot, I'll tell you. 54 00:02:35,006 --> 00:02:37,006 We have statements from prostitutes 55 00:02:37,031 --> 00:02:40,599 putting Halliwell with Becky in the lead-up to the murder. 56 00:02:40,624 --> 00:02:42,570 We have the guy he shared a cell with 57 00:02:42,595 --> 00:02:45,588 saying that he liked to strangle women during sex. 58 00:02:45,589 --> 00:02:46,682 It's all there. 59 00:02:46,683 --> 00:02:49,219 Eight murders, he told his mate on the phone. 60 00:02:49,220 --> 00:02:51,059 Now, we know about two. 61 00:02:51,060 --> 00:02:52,851 Who's out there looking for the other six? 62 00:02:52,852 --> 00:02:56,087 It's not me. I'm sat on my arse on restricted duties. 63 00:02:57,380 --> 00:03:00,379 Have they, er, set a date for your disciplinary hearing? 64 00:03:00,380 --> 00:03:02,220 Before the end of the year. 65 00:03:03,807 --> 00:03:05,380 Meanwhile, I'm in total... 66 00:03:06,380 --> 00:03:08,007 ...limbo. 67 00:03:08,380 --> 00:03:10,380 No case, no team. 68 00:03:11,380 --> 00:03:13,219 The knives are out for me, too. 69 00:03:13,220 --> 00:03:15,379 - What? - Mike Veale suddenly announced to me 70 00:03:15,380 --> 00:03:17,379 that he didn't need me as a staff officer any more. 71 00:03:17,380 --> 00:03:19,136 He thought I'd resign. 72 00:03:19,137 --> 00:03:20,379 I refused to. 73 00:03:20,380 --> 00:03:24,379 Then I find this week that he's appointed a new staff officer. 74 00:03:24,380 --> 00:03:25,899 It's a joke. 75 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:28,687 I mean, this is my problem. They can't go after you, too. 76 00:03:30,767 --> 00:03:33,379 I'm going to have this out with them. 77 00:03:33,380 --> 00:03:35,327 Steve, don't. Steve... 78 00:03:35,740 --> 00:03:38,399 - Pat, can I have a quick word? - Steve... 79 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,059 Listen, I know there's a lot of flak flying around, 80 00:03:40,060 --> 00:03:41,379 but it's not fair to... 81 00:03:41,380 --> 00:03:43,379 What's wrong with your phone? I've been trying to call you. 82 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:45,691 - I had it on charge. - Mike Veale wants to see you. 83 00:03:45,692 --> 00:03:46,937 OK. 84 00:03:46,938 --> 00:03:48,647 I'll tell him you're on your way. 85 00:03:50,587 --> 00:03:52,587 - 25 years Halliwell got. - That's Karen. 86 00:03:53,443 --> 00:03:56,587 He'll get out, so he'll have plenty of his life in front of him. 87 00:03:57,587 --> 00:03:59,586 I feel for her, of course I do. But... 88 00:03:59,587 --> 00:04:01,586 Fulcher broke the law. 89 00:04:01,587 --> 00:04:02,587 You know that. 90 00:04:02,588 --> 00:04:05,586 I don't really know what I think any more, to be honest. 91 00:04:05,587 --> 00:04:09,266 I know I'd rather not get into this right here and now with Karen. 92 00:04:09,267 --> 00:04:11,088 - I'll sign. - Oh, thank you. 93 00:04:11,113 --> 00:04:12,793 Thank you very much. 94 00:04:14,947 --> 00:04:17,586 You're actually the first. That's... It's all my family there. 95 00:04:17,587 --> 00:04:19,587 That's... That's me at the top. 96 00:04:21,420 --> 00:04:22,607 Thank you. 97 00:04:30,587 --> 00:04:31,927 25 years... 98 00:04:32,807 --> 00:04:35,167 ...Halliwell got. And he'll get out. 99 00:04:39,587 --> 00:04:41,586 - [HE KNOCKS] - Mike wanted to see me? 100 00:04:41,587 --> 00:04:43,787 Oh, right, Steve. Just a minute. 101 00:04:47,587 --> 00:04:49,587 [KNOCK ON DOOR] 102 00:04:50,587 --> 00:04:52,207 [HE CLEARS HIS THROAT] 103 00:04:52,587 --> 00:04:54,587 Mike will see you now. 104 00:04:55,273 --> 00:04:56,273 Thank you. 105 00:04:57,267 --> 00:04:59,106 Hello, Steve. Come in. Sit down. 106 00:04:59,107 --> 00:05:00,426 [DOOR CLOSES] 107 00:05:00,427 --> 00:05:02,587 - Mike. Kier. - Steve. 108 00:05:03,587 --> 00:05:05,786 I asked DCS Pritchard to be here this morning 109 00:05:05,787 --> 00:05:07,787 to make a note of everything. 110 00:05:09,967 --> 00:05:12,586 Now, I have to tell you, Steve, that I am suspending you from duty 111 00:05:12,587 --> 00:05:14,427 with immediate effect. 112 00:05:15,047 --> 00:05:16,586 It's been brought to my attention 113 00:05:16,587 --> 00:05:19,106 that you had an unauthorised meeting with a member of the press, 114 00:05:19,107 --> 00:05:21,266 the ITV journalist Rob Murphy, 115 00:05:21,267 --> 00:05:23,586 during which you discussed Operation Mayan. 116 00:05:23,587 --> 00:05:26,587 This is a meeting that you were expressly forbidden to attend. 117 00:05:28,163 --> 00:05:31,586 An officer from a neighbouring force happened to be in the pub that night 118 00:05:31,587 --> 00:05:34,586 and witnessed the meeting and reported it to Kier. 119 00:05:34,587 --> 00:05:36,586 Well, as you know, Steve, I expressly told you 120 00:05:36,587 --> 00:05:38,807 you're not to do any interviews with journalists. 121 00:05:41,087 --> 00:05:44,007 I don't recall any conversation along those lines, Kier. 122 00:05:44,807 --> 00:05:46,586 I mentioned it at one of the routines recently. 123 00:05:46,587 --> 00:05:47,587 Mm-hm. 124 00:05:48,967 --> 00:05:50,586 Now, I consider this matter to be serious enough 125 00:05:50,587 --> 00:05:52,587 to warrant immediate suspension. 126 00:05:53,587 --> 00:05:55,927 - Do you have anything to say? - No, I don't. 127 00:05:58,587 --> 00:06:01,587 Very well, could you please give me your pass and warrant card? 128 00:06:10,587 --> 00:06:13,586 You will now be escorted from the premises by Tom, 129 00:06:13,587 --> 00:06:14,971 who's waiting for you outside. 130 00:06:14,972 --> 00:06:16,317 He'll accompany you to your house 131 00:06:16,318 --> 00:06:18,426 to recover any force documents or property. 132 00:06:18,427 --> 00:06:20,586 Do you understand what I've said to you? 133 00:06:20,587 --> 00:06:21,587 I do. 134 00:06:22,587 --> 00:06:24,946 I'll ask you again if you have anything to say. 135 00:06:24,947 --> 00:06:26,587 I don't. 136 00:06:28,333 --> 00:06:30,333 Fine. That's everything. 137 00:06:47,627 --> 00:06:49,586 Er, I'll take the phone. 138 00:06:49,587 --> 00:06:52,587 - Can I at least call my wife? - I'm afraid not. 139 00:06:58,587 --> 00:07:00,587 Oh, could I have that, please, sir? 140 00:07:28,979 --> 00:07:29,979 Are you coming in? 141 00:07:44,587 --> 00:07:46,267 Oh, it's Steve. 142 00:07:47,587 --> 00:07:49,586 Maughan and Ned are here. 143 00:07:49,587 --> 00:07:52,266 - Er, where's the laptop, please? - What's going on? 144 00:07:52,267 --> 00:07:54,586 It's in the kitchen on the dining table. 145 00:07:54,587 --> 00:07:56,710 Would you accompany me in there, please? 146 00:07:56,735 --> 00:07:58,541 - Steve...? - I've been suspended. 147 00:07:58,542 --> 00:08:01,267 What?! My mum and dad are in there. Can I get it for you? 148 00:08:02,267 --> 00:08:03,587 I'm sorry. 149 00:08:06,587 --> 00:08:08,426 Hi, folks. Hello. 150 00:08:08,427 --> 00:08:09,587 - Hi, Steve. - Hello. 151 00:08:14,587 --> 00:08:16,586 - Is this it? - Yes. 152 00:08:16,587 --> 00:08:19,087 - Everything all right? - Yes, it's a work thing. 153 00:08:30,534 --> 00:08:33,013 And she was going round all of the toilets in the school 154 00:08:33,014 --> 00:08:35,485 and she slid under all the doors, locked them, 155 00:08:35,510 --> 00:08:38,309 and then slid back out again so that all the doors, 156 00:08:38,334 --> 00:08:40,333 all the toilets in the whole school were locked. 157 00:08:40,334 --> 00:08:41,294 - How stupid. - Mm, goodness. 158 00:08:41,294 --> 00:08:43,613 I mean, it's kind of silly for her to get expelled, 159 00:08:43,614 --> 00:08:45,723 because she's a good student, she's got good grades. 160 00:08:45,724 --> 00:08:47,851 It's not that big a deal, it's just a joke. 161 00:08:47,876 --> 00:08:49,036 Just cos she's your friend. 162 00:08:49,037 --> 00:08:51,796 Do you remember Amelia who was here last week? 163 00:08:51,797 --> 00:08:54,021 - Oh, yeah. - You know, the really bitchy one. 164 00:08:54,022 --> 00:08:55,955 - She's not really bitchy. - Yes, she is. 165 00:08:55,956 --> 00:08:58,437 She's not that bad. But she's started to... 166 00:09:05,270 --> 00:09:06,750 Don't worry. 167 00:09:14,192 --> 00:09:15,436 Er, would you like to come through? 168 00:09:15,437 --> 00:09:16,957 Thank you. 169 00:09:18,930 --> 00:09:20,930 Thank you for coming to see me, Mrs Edwards. 170 00:09:21,790 --> 00:09:24,789 The IPCC is an independent body 171 00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:28,813 that's been set up to examine complaints against the police. 172 00:09:28,814 --> 00:09:32,813 I've asked you to come and see me today to discuss a complaint 173 00:09:32,814 --> 00:09:36,333 that has been made against the officer leading the investigation 174 00:09:36,334 --> 00:09:38,254 into the murder of your daughter Rebecca. 175 00:09:38,254 --> 00:09:40,377 Against Steve Fulcher? 176 00:09:40,377 --> 00:09:43,376 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, that's correct. 177 00:09:43,377 --> 00:09:46,376 I wanted to know if you wanted to add your name 178 00:09:46,377 --> 00:09:47,639 to the complaint against him. 179 00:09:49,377 --> 00:09:51,737 Who's made this complaint? 180 00:09:52,119 --> 00:09:54,376 Rebecca's father, John Godden. 181 00:09:54,377 --> 00:09:56,376 You're joking! John?! 182 00:09:56,377 --> 00:09:58,376 Oh, you've got to be kidding! That's... 183 00:09:58,377 --> 00:09:59,759 Have you met John Godden? 184 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,376 All complaints about the police 185 00:10:02,377 --> 00:10:04,878 must be dealt with without prejudice. 186 00:10:04,903 --> 00:10:08,056 And it has been deemed that the points Mr Godden has raised 187 00:10:08,057 --> 00:10:10,376 are serious enough to warrant an investigation. 188 00:10:10,377 --> 00:10:13,376 Specifically, Detective Superintendent Fulcher's failure 189 00:10:13,377 --> 00:10:15,625 to apply the rules of PACE 190 00:10:15,626 --> 00:10:19,168 to his interview with the chief suspect Christopher Halliwell 191 00:10:19,169 --> 00:10:21,601 and prevented justice for his daughter. 192 00:10:21,602 --> 00:10:25,056 But if it wasn't for Steve Fulcher we'd never have found our daughter. 193 00:10:25,057 --> 00:10:26,627 So, how does he work that one out? 194 00:10:26,628 --> 00:10:29,376 So, you don't agree with your ex-husband's view 195 00:10:29,377 --> 00:10:32,029 about Chief Superintendent Fulcher's conduct? 196 00:10:32,030 --> 00:10:33,836 No. We bloody don't. 197 00:10:33,837 --> 00:10:36,376 If Mrs Edwards could answer the question, please. 198 00:10:36,377 --> 00:10:37,973 No, I bloody well don't! 199 00:10:37,974 --> 00:10:39,376 We've got to help him, Charlie. 200 00:10:39,377 --> 00:10:41,376 We can't leave him to be thrown to the wolves. 201 00:10:41,377 --> 00:10:42,377 You know, I'm sure it suits them 202 00:10:42,378 --> 00:10:44,063 to make out he's the one that messed up. 203 00:10:44,064 --> 00:10:46,003 You know, "It's not us, it's him." 204 00:10:46,004 --> 00:10:48,376 But you can't take on everyone, Karen. 205 00:10:48,377 --> 00:10:49,896 So, they're after Steve's blood. 206 00:10:49,897 --> 00:10:52,048 But the man who murdered Becky has got away with it. 207 00:10:52,049 --> 00:10:54,377 - How do you work that one out? - Come on, love, get in. 208 00:10:56,570 --> 00:10:59,570 No, justice for Steve is justice for Becky. 209 00:11:13,897 --> 00:11:15,845 It's only a bloody can of Coke. 210 00:11:15,846 --> 00:11:17,377 He just had to ask first. 211 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:21,377 And I have told him that time and time again. 212 00:11:24,377 --> 00:11:26,873 He has no male role model in his life. 213 00:11:26,874 --> 00:11:29,679 Mick only sees him every other weekend. 214 00:11:30,377 --> 00:11:34,376 To all intents and purposes, I'm his father now. 215 00:11:34,377 --> 00:11:36,376 Let me in, Elaine. 216 00:11:36,377 --> 00:11:37,668 I want to help. 217 00:11:37,669 --> 00:11:39,377 [DOORBELL RINGS] 218 00:11:45,377 --> 00:11:47,376 - [DOOR OPENS] - Lauren! 219 00:11:47,377 --> 00:11:50,376 - I was just passing. - Come in. It's so lovely to see you. 220 00:11:50,377 --> 00:11:51,377 Come in. 221 00:11:56,057 --> 00:11:59,377 - Are you going to come and say hello? - I'm all right in here. 222 00:12:01,317 --> 00:12:03,317 Elaine... This is my daughter. 223 00:12:03,599 --> 00:12:06,376 - We don't get on, Pete. - Yeah, I know. 224 00:12:06,377 --> 00:12:08,377 But can't you just be the bigger person? 225 00:12:14,377 --> 00:12:16,639 Come on, love, let's go through. 226 00:12:23,377 --> 00:12:25,377 [TELEPHONE RINGS] 227 00:12:26,970 --> 00:12:28,490 Hello? 228 00:12:29,377 --> 00:12:30,779 Of course. 229 00:12:30,780 --> 00:12:32,377 OK, he's ready to see you now. 230 00:12:32,759 --> 00:12:34,376 Thank you very much. 231 00:12:34,377 --> 00:12:36,376 This is a great pleasure to meet you, Mr Edwards. 232 00:12:36,377 --> 00:12:37,377 - Charlie. - Please... 233 00:12:37,378 --> 00:12:39,376 Thank you very much for seeing us, Mr Buckland. 234 00:12:39,377 --> 00:12:41,376 - Not at all. - I know you must be very busy. 235 00:12:41,377 --> 00:12:43,557 You've got all the documents I sent you. 236 00:12:43,558 --> 00:12:45,376 - Mm. - I feel very passionate about this. 237 00:12:45,377 --> 00:12:48,056 Halliwell must be prosecuted for the murder of my daughter. 238 00:12:48,057 --> 00:12:50,736 Not just so Becky gets justice, but cos the police officer involved, 239 00:12:50,737 --> 00:12:53,870 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, because it's not fair 240 00:12:53,871 --> 00:12:55,876 that he should be facing losing his career over this 241 00:12:55,877 --> 00:12:58,376 - when all he did was try to save... - Karen, not all at once. 242 00:12:58,377 --> 00:13:00,377 You're bombarding the man. 243 00:13:01,377 --> 00:13:03,056 Sorry. It's just, once I start, I... 244 00:13:03,057 --> 00:13:04,759 ...I find it hard to stop. 245 00:13:06,230 --> 00:13:09,230 But what I wanted to say, and I know you're a lawyer yourself, 246 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,377 is I think there's a grey area here with PACE. 247 00:13:12,999 --> 00:13:14,377 I agree. 248 00:13:15,377 --> 00:13:16,919 You agree? 249 00:13:17,377 --> 00:13:18,377 Yes. 250 00:13:18,378 --> 00:13:20,759 Yeah, I think PACE does need to be looked at. 251 00:13:21,599 --> 00:13:23,056 So... 252 00:13:23,057 --> 00:13:24,376 ...can you help us? 253 00:13:24,377 --> 00:13:26,376 You've started a petition? 254 00:13:26,377 --> 00:13:29,376 Yes, we've got over 7,000 signatures so far. 255 00:13:29,377 --> 00:13:32,376 Right, you need to get that number up as high as you possibly can. 256 00:13:32,377 --> 00:13:33,377 If I'm to lobby the Government, 257 00:13:33,378 --> 00:13:35,376 the higher the number, the more they'll take notice. 258 00:13:35,377 --> 00:13:38,376 And you also need to keep on doing your radio and TV interviews 259 00:13:38,377 --> 00:13:39,919 whenever you get the chance. 260 00:13:40,417 --> 00:13:43,376 You see, the more the campaign features in the press, 261 00:13:43,377 --> 00:13:45,472 the likelihood increases that the Government 262 00:13:45,473 --> 00:13:48,376 could ask Wiltshire Police Service some awkward questions. 263 00:13:48,377 --> 00:13:50,376 Oh, right. 264 00:13:50,377 --> 00:13:51,896 You need to be visible, Mrs Edwards, 265 00:13:51,897 --> 00:13:54,376 and make people aware of PACE's limitations. 266 00:13:54,377 --> 00:13:56,417 But to answer your question simply, then... 267 00:13:56,919 --> 00:13:59,519 ...yes, I'd like to try and help you. 268 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:04,199 Oh, thank you! Thank you very much, Mr Buckland! 269 00:14:08,377 --> 00:14:10,376 - Hey. - Hi! 270 00:14:10,377 --> 00:14:11,959 Hi, how are you doing? 271 00:14:13,377 --> 00:14:14,377 Nice to see you. 272 00:14:14,378 --> 00:14:16,376 Can I get you a drink? 273 00:14:16,377 --> 00:14:18,376 - Erm, red wine. - Mm-hm. 274 00:14:18,377 --> 00:14:19,377 Thank you. 275 00:14:19,378 --> 00:14:21,376 They've sent a file off to the Crown Prosecution Service 276 00:14:21,377 --> 00:14:23,376 for a criminal prosecution against you. 277 00:14:23,377 --> 00:14:25,376 Criminal? What for? 278 00:14:25,377 --> 00:14:26,800 Malfeasance in a public office. 279 00:14:26,801 --> 00:14:27,982 Malfeasance?! 280 00:14:28,007 --> 00:14:29,376 They want to put him in prison now? 281 00:14:29,377 --> 00:14:31,763 Malfeasance is about abuse of office. 282 00:14:31,764 --> 00:14:33,733 Trying to find Sian alive 283 00:14:33,734 --> 00:14:36,377 and trying to recover the body of a missing girl isn't malfeasance. 284 00:14:36,839 --> 00:14:39,376 I mean, if that's the case, who is the victim? 285 00:14:39,377 --> 00:14:41,376 Hm? It'd have to be Halliwell. 286 00:14:41,377 --> 00:14:44,376 The prosecution case would have to be that, but for my actions, 287 00:14:44,377 --> 00:14:46,376 poor old Christopher Halliwell would be a free man. 288 00:14:46,377 --> 00:14:49,896 Well, the CPS threw it out. But it shows you their mind-set. 289 00:14:49,897 --> 00:14:51,432 Seems they want to get you for something. 290 00:14:51,457 --> 00:14:52,677 I'm going to the loo. 291 00:14:52,678 --> 00:14:54,377 I may well throw up. 292 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:01,217 This is driving her mad. 293 00:15:02,377 --> 00:15:04,217 She wants me to resign. 294 00:15:05,217 --> 00:15:08,376 And do what? I've been a detective for more than 20 years. 295 00:15:08,377 --> 00:15:10,216 Please, don't jump yet, Steve. 296 00:15:10,217 --> 00:15:11,960 At least wait until you see a lawyer 297 00:15:11,961 --> 00:15:13,666 about your defence for the disciplinary hearing. 298 00:15:13,667 --> 00:15:16,376 Hear what he has to say. I can't believe they won't exonerate you 299 00:15:16,377 --> 00:15:18,376 - once they hear the evidence. - Mm-hm. 300 00:15:18,377 --> 00:15:20,736 What's happening to you is horrible and unfair. 301 00:15:20,737 --> 00:15:22,377 But you mustn't give in. 302 00:15:23,063 --> 00:15:26,063 I'm not an expert and I've never done anything like this before. 303 00:15:26,377 --> 00:15:29,376 And I've discovered I actually hate the sound of my own voice. 304 00:15:29,377 --> 00:15:31,376 [CHUCKLING] 305 00:15:31,377 --> 00:15:33,919 But I am a mother who has lost her daughter. 306 00:15:34,737 --> 00:15:37,559 And I feel that gives me the right to speak my mind. 307 00:15:38,377 --> 00:15:42,039 Because I am absolutely raging about this inside. 308 00:15:43,479 --> 00:15:45,256 My daughter had her problems. 309 00:15:45,257 --> 00:15:48,056 But that doesn't mean she doesn't deserve justice. 310 00:15:48,057 --> 00:15:51,819 That doesn't mean we should treat her any differently to anybody else 311 00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:54,377 who's had their life snatched away from them. 312 00:15:55,377 --> 00:16:00,376 I'm asking the Government to urgently review Code C of PACE, 313 00:16:00,377 --> 00:16:04,376 which covers the detention, treatment and questioning 314 00:16:04,377 --> 00:16:06,377 of suspects by police officers. 315 00:16:07,377 --> 00:16:11,376 PACE is nearly 30 years old and it was brought in because of concerns 316 00:16:11,377 --> 00:16:14,101 over the way the police were behaving with people in custody. 317 00:16:14,125 --> 00:16:16,022 Which I understand. 318 00:16:16,377 --> 00:16:18,376 But what Steve Fulcher faced 319 00:16:18,377 --> 00:16:20,576 were a very, very unusual set of circumstances. 320 00:16:20,577 --> 00:16:24,056 And I feel there should be more flexibility 321 00:16:24,081 --> 00:16:27,543 when police officers arrest people in situations like that. 322 00:16:28,719 --> 00:16:31,376 Because I don't want anybody else to suffer 323 00:16:31,408 --> 00:16:33,408 what we have been through as a family. 324 00:16:35,305 --> 00:16:37,305 Thank you. Thank you very much. 325 00:16:53,541 --> 00:16:55,181 - I love you. - I love you, too. 326 00:16:55,206 --> 00:16:56,366 See you soon. 327 00:17:05,377 --> 00:17:07,376 Excuse me, it's Karen, isn't it? I'm Yvonne. 328 00:17:07,377 --> 00:17:09,376 Steve's wife. I just want to say hello. 329 00:17:09,377 --> 00:17:11,376 Oh, how lovely to meet you. 330 00:17:11,377 --> 00:17:13,376 This is my husband Charlie. 331 00:17:13,377 --> 00:17:15,376 I am so sorry Steve's having to go through this. 332 00:17:15,377 --> 00:17:17,856 In my opinion, it's an absolute disgrace 333 00:17:17,857 --> 00:17:20,376 and please don't think we had anything to do with it. 334 00:17:20,377 --> 00:17:22,376 This is all down to him. And when I heard he'd made a complaint, 335 00:17:22,377 --> 00:17:24,376 after all Steve has done for us, 336 00:17:24,377 --> 00:17:26,376 I could have wrung his neck. 337 00:17:26,377 --> 00:17:28,759 Nice to meet you. Erm, I was going to go outside. 338 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,216 - I'm not allowed to stay in here. - Oh, that's ridiculous. 339 00:17:31,217 --> 00:17:33,376 Don't you worry, love. We'll look after him. 340 00:17:33,377 --> 00:17:34,377 Thanks. 341 00:17:40,134 --> 00:17:41,174 Good morning, everyone. 342 00:17:41,174 --> 00:17:43,654 I am Chief Constable Andy Parker from Warwickshire Police 343 00:17:43,655 --> 00:17:45,054 and I'll be chairing this hearing. 344 00:17:45,054 --> 00:17:47,461 There are some of you that I haven't met before. 345 00:17:47,462 --> 00:17:49,661 I wonder if we can begin by you telling us your names? 346 00:17:49,662 --> 00:17:52,461 Anna Proctor, IPCC. 347 00:17:52,462 --> 00:17:53,462 Thank you. 348 00:17:53,463 --> 00:17:56,314 - The gentleman at the back? - Er... 349 00:17:56,792 --> 00:17:59,112 My name is John Godden. 350 00:17:59,380 --> 00:18:01,380 Father of Rebecca Godden. 351 00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:06,564 David Godden, John's brother. 352 00:18:08,375 --> 00:18:11,375 Karen Edwards, mother of Rebecca Godden-Edwards. 353 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,107 Could you just hang on a minute, cos I...? 354 00:18:14,132 --> 00:18:15,465 I think I'm on the wrong side here. 355 00:18:15,502 --> 00:18:18,030 Cos I don't want to be associated with this lot. 356 00:18:18,031 --> 00:18:20,083 Because we're here to support Steve Fulcher. 357 00:18:20,084 --> 00:18:22,142 So, were going to... Come on, Charlie. 358 00:18:23,815 --> 00:18:24,815 Thank you. 359 00:18:27,462 --> 00:18:29,684 Thank you. Carry on. 360 00:18:34,462 --> 00:18:36,461 The first allegation concerns a complaint 361 00:18:36,462 --> 00:18:38,461 brought against you by Mr Godden. 362 00:18:38,462 --> 00:18:40,461 It is alleged that your behaviour, 363 00:18:40,462 --> 00:18:43,960 when dealing with Mr Halliwell on 24th March, 2011, 364 00:18:43,961 --> 00:18:46,853 fell below the standards of professional behaviour 365 00:18:46,854 --> 00:18:49,462 required of an officer of your standing. 366 00:18:50,815 --> 00:18:52,815 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 367 00:18:53,884 --> 00:18:55,502 I deny the allegation. 368 00:18:56,060 --> 00:18:57,437 Allegation two. 369 00:18:57,462 --> 00:19:00,461 It is alleged by your employer, Wiltshire Police, 370 00:19:00,462 --> 00:19:03,502 that, by having inappropriate contact with the media, 371 00:19:03,804 --> 00:19:07,461 your conduct again fell below the same standards. 372 00:19:07,462 --> 00:19:09,461 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 373 00:19:09,462 --> 00:19:10,981 I deny the allegation. 374 00:19:10,982 --> 00:19:14,461 The provisions of PACE are quite clear, Mr Fulcher. 375 00:19:14,462 --> 00:19:16,628 I mean, they're there to protect the rights of all of us. 376 00:19:16,629 --> 00:19:18,744 - Yes. - Yet, you did not caution 377 00:19:18,769 --> 00:19:21,301 Christopher Halliwell as the law dictates. 378 00:19:21,302 --> 00:19:22,461 Now, why not? 379 00:19:22,462 --> 00:19:24,462 Because I felt it was disingenuous 380 00:19:25,124 --> 00:19:29,739 to begin an interview with Halliwell in those circumstances by saying, 381 00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:30,981 "You don't have to say anything." 382 00:19:30,982 --> 00:19:33,141 I felt his right to silence 383 00:19:33,142 --> 00:19:35,462 directly conflicted with Sian's right to life. 384 00:19:36,462 --> 00:19:38,977 Er, a little while later, Halliwell says to you, 385 00:19:38,978 --> 00:19:42,301 "Do you want another one?" Now, what did you understand this to mean? 386 00:19:42,302 --> 00:19:45,461 It wasn't actually clear, initially, what it meant. 387 00:19:45,462 --> 00:19:47,461 Well, if it wasn't clear, wouldn't it have been better 388 00:19:47,462 --> 00:19:49,070 to arrest him for Sian, caution him, 389 00:19:49,071 --> 00:19:51,461 and then clarify things on the other one back at the police station? 390 00:19:51,462 --> 00:19:53,461 But they wouldn't have been clarified, would they? 391 00:19:53,462 --> 00:19:56,461 His solicitor would've advised him to go, "No comment," 392 00:19:56,462 --> 00:19:58,651 - and that would've been that. - Not necessarily. 393 00:19:58,652 --> 00:20:00,461 He could've been properly cautioned, brought back to the station 394 00:20:00,462 --> 00:20:02,764 and then revealed the victim's whereabouts. 395 00:20:03,462 --> 00:20:05,501 That's the difference between theory and practice. 396 00:20:05,502 --> 00:20:08,461 I mean, in practice, that has never happened. 397 00:20:08,462 --> 00:20:09,821 Not once, in my whole career. 398 00:20:09,822 --> 00:20:12,795 Now, if you had arrested him and cautioned him at that point, 399 00:20:12,796 --> 00:20:14,301 then everything that followed 400 00:20:14,302 --> 00:20:15,821 would have remained admissible in evidence. 401 00:20:15,822 --> 00:20:19,141 Not to do so was a gross error of judgment on your part, wasn't it? 402 00:20:19,142 --> 00:20:20,462 I don't believe it was, no. 403 00:20:25,399 --> 00:20:29,461 I feel like a madman in a roomful of people who don't understand me. 404 00:20:29,462 --> 00:20:33,142 I'm saying the same thing over and over again and nobody's listening. 405 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,187 Mr Geenty, you've always supported Steve Fulcher's reasoning 406 00:20:53,212 --> 00:20:55,759 for not cautioning Christopher Halliwell, haven't you? 407 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,559 I have no doubt about his good faith that day. 408 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,559 Yes, but his judgment, his reasoning. 409 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,559 At the pre-trial hearing, before the Sian O'Callaghan trial, you said, 410 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,194 "I think the decision Steve made was, 411 00:21:09,195 --> 00:21:12,893 "to use the slang, a gutsy decision. 412 00:21:12,894 --> 00:21:15,559 "And I'd like to think I would make a similar decision 413 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,559 "in the same circumstances." 414 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,559 Well, that was when he was still hoping 415 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,399 that Sian might be found alive. 416 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,559 We all were. 417 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,559 But I disagree with his judgment 418 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,560 when it came to him being offered information about the second body. 419 00:21:28,762 --> 00:21:32,559 That is where I think PACE and the protection of the suspect 420 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,559 would have become paramount 421 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,559 because tragically, at that point, when he knew Sian was dead, 422 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,559 the urgent interview provision no longer applied. 423 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,857 So you agree with his actions in relation to Sian, but not to Becky? 424 00:21:43,858 --> 00:21:47,559 No, I believe, at that point, in the heat of the moment, 425 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,242 he could not have been thinking clearly. 426 00:21:49,243 --> 00:21:52,002 So what are you saying, then? That Becky doesn't matter? 427 00:21:53,896 --> 00:21:56,535 Would it be fair to say that Steve Fulcher 428 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,399 was by far the most experienced SIO that Wiltshire had 429 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,559 at the point of the Sian and Becky investigation? 430 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,902 Steve has demonstrated that he has a solid track record. 431 00:22:05,903 --> 00:22:08,559 And that, whatever else this case is about, 432 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,559 there is no doubt that he is an outstandingly good police officer. 433 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,992 He is a very competent officer, yes. 434 00:22:14,993 --> 00:22:17,919 Now, in spite of the fact that it's normal for senior officers 435 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,559 to give off-the-record media briefings, 436 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,559 you say you had a conversation with Steve Fulcher 437 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,134 to tell him of an order by the then Deputy Chief Constable Geenty 438 00:22:27,135 --> 00:22:29,559 that he wasn't to do any interviews with journalists. 439 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,919 That is correct, yes. 440 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,759 You made an entry into your diary that day, didn't you? 441 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,249 You record 16 points 442 00:22:36,250 --> 00:22:38,599 relating to various matters you'd discussed with him. 443 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,559 But the one thing you haven't recorded 444 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,264 is any mention of Steve Fulcher 445 00:22:43,265 --> 00:22:45,051 being told not to speak to the media. 446 00:22:45,052 --> 00:22:47,759 I spoke to Steve Fulcher about DCC Geenty's order 447 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,202 at the end of the conversation. 448 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,559 Those other points were from the first part of the conversation. 449 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,559 But surely, Mr Geenty's order 450 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,559 would've been the most important part of that conversation, 451 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,759 based on the fact that Steve Fulcher stands here today 452 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,559 with the prospect of losing his career because of it? 453 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,559 I didn't feel it necessary to have recorded 454 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,560 that part of the conversation. 455 00:23:07,561 --> 00:23:10,202 But I can assure you that it did happen. 456 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,559 Is this actually misconduct at all? 457 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,799 In both instances, the failure to caution Christopher Halliwell 458 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,559 and the interviews Detective Superintendent Fulcher 459 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,144 gave to the media, 460 00:23:21,145 --> 00:23:23,312 might not many members of the public say, 461 00:23:23,313 --> 00:23:27,967 "Surely, there are better ways for the police service and the IPCC 462 00:23:27,968 --> 00:23:29,559 "to deal with such matters? 463 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,559 "Are you really satisfied, based on the evidence before you, 464 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,935 "that you could take the steps to remove this man's career?" 465 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,240 - Thank you, Mr Beggs. - Are there any questions 466 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,372 from Rebecca's family members present today? 467 00:23:40,372 --> 00:23:43,800 Well, not from me. I'm very happy with how it's gone. 468 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:47,619 - Mrs Edwards? - I agree with Mr Beggs. 469 00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:51,619 It seems ridiculous all this public money's been spent on this. 470 00:23:51,620 --> 00:23:53,139 Thank you, both. 471 00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:56,014 Well, we shall now retire to consider our judgment. 472 00:23:56,015 --> 00:23:58,619 You will be informed of our verdict in due course, 473 00:23:58,620 --> 00:24:00,619 when this hearing will reconvene. 474 00:24:00,620 --> 00:24:01,782 Thank you. 475 00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:36,511 MAN: Come on, you reds! 476 00:24:46,620 --> 00:24:48,360 My sister got in a cab with him. 477 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:50,039 - With Halliwell? - Yeah. 478 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,359 She seen his picture in the paper and she was sure it was him. 479 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,359 She gets in his cab and he drives her the wrong way, 480 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:59,359 out towards Savernake Forest, acting all weird, like. 481 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,199 She screams and opens the door and someone sees them. 482 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,989 And he pulls over and lets her out. 483 00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:06,359 Says he was just having a laugh with her. 484 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,562 - She doesn't know how lucky she is. - Yeah, that's what my mum says. 485 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:13,842 All right, thank you. Thank you. 486 00:25:14,722 --> 00:25:17,359 We just wanted to check that you were OK. 487 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,360 See if you had any worries or questions. 488 00:25:19,722 --> 00:25:22,360 Thank you. It's much appreciated. 489 00:25:23,887 --> 00:25:27,308 I don't know if you're aware of what Karen Edwards is doing. 490 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,762 She's got a petition going. 491 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,400 I'm aware of it, yeah. 492 00:25:32,425 --> 00:25:36,615 Her support for Stephen Fulcher is very commendable, but... 493 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,756 ...Wiltshire Police Service feel it is... 494 00:25:39,884 --> 00:25:41,244 ...misguided. 495 00:25:41,723 --> 00:25:45,043 Our position is that Fulcher shouldn't have breached PACE. 496 00:25:46,948 --> 00:25:48,586 Yeah, that's how we feel. 497 00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:52,067 We would have found Sian's body anyway. 498 00:25:52,685 --> 00:25:54,005 That's good to know. 499 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,559 We've heard from Karen's FLO that she would like to meet you. 500 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,359 Would you be interested in us arranging that? 501 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:04,360 No, I wouldn't. Thank you. 502 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,562 After she got in the car with him... 503 00:26:08,682 --> 00:26:11,200 ...I keep wondering what happened to her after that. 504 00:26:13,813 --> 00:26:16,453 I torment myself wondering if it was quick. 505 00:26:19,802 --> 00:26:21,360 Erm... 506 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,960 He pleaded guilty, so we didn't have to give a detailed account in court. 507 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,199 Or at least... 508 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,682 ...one that we could challenge. 509 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:34,359 Did she know what he was going to do with her? 510 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:35,360 Was she frightened? 511 00:26:37,893 --> 00:26:40,533 Halliwell said that he killed her quickly. 512 00:26:41,613 --> 00:26:43,613 Within a few minutes of setting off. 513 00:26:44,607 --> 00:26:47,127 She started struggling, so he stabbed her. 514 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:50,360 Erm... 515 00:26:51,832 --> 00:26:53,792 I don't know if I believe him. 516 00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:59,750 She wasn't wearing her boots when you found her. 517 00:27:00,435 --> 00:27:01,795 They were tight-fitting. 518 00:27:03,884 --> 00:27:05,602 When did they come off? Did...? 519 00:27:06,091 --> 00:27:07,771 Did he start to undress her? 520 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,360 I just keep playing it over and over in my head. 521 00:27:25,893 --> 00:27:29,133 Different scenarios and... 522 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,360 ...I just see her face, Pete. 523 00:27:36,842 --> 00:27:38,360 Terrified. 524 00:27:41,642 --> 00:27:42,980 Come here... 525 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,360 It's OK. 526 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,759 Come here. 527 00:27:47,399 --> 00:27:48,719 Shh... 528 00:27:50,719 --> 00:27:52,719 [HE SIGHS] 529 00:27:54,312 --> 00:27:56,312 I want to look after you, Elaine. 530 00:27:58,593 --> 00:28:00,795 I'm here for you, all right? 531 00:28:03,926 --> 00:28:08,128 Everything that's happened has just made me want to protect you. 532 00:28:14,958 --> 00:28:16,958 Why don't you pack it in at work? 533 00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:20,832 You hate that fucking job. 534 00:28:22,421 --> 00:28:23,743 I can support you. 535 00:28:29,414 --> 00:28:31,936 I want us to be together properly, Elaine. 536 00:28:36,793 --> 00:28:37,793 Mm. 537 00:28:50,689 --> 00:28:53,367 I have asked you not to smoke inside. 538 00:29:07,246 --> 00:29:09,886 - Why don't you have a shower? - [HE SCOFFS] 539 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,946 Why don't you have a nice shower and we could go to Brighton? 540 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:15,440 The girls are out tonight. 541 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,200 We could have lunch and we wouldn't have to rush back. 542 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,513 Do I smell, Yvonne? 543 00:29:18,995 --> 00:29:20,512 - What? - Or do I stink? 544 00:29:20,513 --> 00:29:22,513 Can you smell me from there? 545 00:29:22,835 --> 00:29:24,512 I don't know what you're talking about. 546 00:29:24,513 --> 00:29:25,712 Oh, obfuscation. 547 00:29:25,713 --> 00:29:27,512 I can tell from your answer, 548 00:29:27,513 --> 00:29:29,513 or, more accurately, your... 549 00:29:29,875 --> 00:29:32,513 ...lack of an answer, that I don't. Therefore... 550 00:29:33,035 --> 00:29:34,512 ...no need for me to shower. 551 00:29:34,513 --> 00:29:35,955 Is this you being funny? 552 00:29:37,513 --> 00:29:40,112 Anyway, I'm not allowed to leave the county 553 00:29:40,113 --> 00:29:41,512 without getting permission from them. 554 00:29:41,513 --> 00:29:43,006 - You're joking? - It's true. 555 00:29:43,007 --> 00:29:45,235 I have to ask them if I can leave Wiltshire. 556 00:29:49,513 --> 00:29:50,513 Well... 557 00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:53,033 OK. 558 00:30:01,805 --> 00:30:05,512 What has happened to Steve Fulcher is nothing short of scandalous. 559 00:30:05,513 --> 00:30:09,192 Cos, without him, my daughter would be lying in a field somewhere 560 00:30:09,193 --> 00:30:11,512 without anyone knowing where she was. 561 00:30:11,513 --> 00:30:13,906 But he has been hounded from pillar to post 562 00:30:13,907 --> 00:30:16,241 while Christopher Halliwell, who murdered her, 563 00:30:16,242 --> 00:30:18,512 has never faced justice for what he did. 564 00:30:18,513 --> 00:30:21,512 Our Justice For Becky campaign is petitioning the Government 565 00:30:21,513 --> 00:30:22,552 to change the PACE law. 566 00:30:22,553 --> 00:30:26,512 So, please, sign our petition if you see us around Swindon. 567 00:30:26,513 --> 00:30:27,513 Not ideal. 568 00:30:27,514 --> 00:30:29,993 What, are you worried about a backlash 569 00:30:29,994 --> 00:30:33,512 if Karen Edwards' support for Steve Fulcher gains too much momentum? 570 00:30:33,513 --> 00:30:36,512 Because, I have to admit, it has crossed my mind. 571 00:30:36,513 --> 00:30:38,772 It's not great, from a PR point of view. 572 00:30:38,797 --> 00:30:39,910 No. 573 00:30:39,911 --> 00:30:43,192 Maybe we should have another think about the investigation. 574 00:30:43,193 --> 00:30:44,286 Yeah. 575 00:30:44,287 --> 00:30:47,032 I know we bicker, I know he can be... 576 00:30:47,033 --> 00:30:48,512 ...controlling. 577 00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:49,553 But... 578 00:30:50,035 --> 00:30:51,513 ...he can be so sweet. 579 00:30:53,193 --> 00:30:54,512 He's picked me up when I was down. 580 00:30:54,513 --> 00:30:56,712 He's been there for me all through this. He's been my rock. 581 00:30:56,713 --> 00:30:59,033 He did force you to get that lump on your boob checked. 582 00:30:59,034 --> 00:31:00,512 I will give him that. 583 00:31:00,513 --> 00:31:03,512 And just when I think he's exactly what I need, 584 00:31:03,513 --> 00:31:06,192 things happen and I wonder if he is. 585 00:31:06,193 --> 00:31:08,512 We've had another row because he says Aiden 586 00:31:08,513 --> 00:31:11,512 took a can of Coke out of the fridge without asking. 587 00:31:11,513 --> 00:31:13,513 Really? A can of Coke? 588 00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:15,835 That's the, er... 589 00:31:16,713 --> 00:31:19,513 ...the police at Karen's. I wonder what they're there for. 590 00:31:21,193 --> 00:31:22,513 She asked to meet me, Karen. 591 00:31:23,513 --> 00:31:25,715 - What did you say? - No. 592 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,762 I can't face her. I know I should, but... 593 00:31:31,513 --> 00:31:33,513 I can't really explain it. 594 00:31:34,439 --> 00:31:36,211 We have come across so many people 595 00:31:36,212 --> 00:31:38,290 who have given us information on Halliwell. 596 00:31:38,291 --> 00:31:40,123 People who say they got into his taxi with him 597 00:31:40,124 --> 00:31:41,552 and had scary experiences. 598 00:31:41,553 --> 00:31:44,986 People saying he got obsessed with women and would stalk them. 599 00:31:44,987 --> 00:31:47,735 People who can link him to girls who have gone missing. 600 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,512 But it's all hearsay, Karen. 601 00:31:49,513 --> 00:31:52,295 People say they know someone who knew him 602 00:31:52,296 --> 00:31:54,512 or people who've heard something about him 603 00:31:54,513 --> 00:31:56,201 and not seen it for themselves. 604 00:31:56,202 --> 00:31:58,715 Nothing that would stand up in court. 605 00:32:00,433 --> 00:32:03,433 I'm sorry, but trying to play amateur detective 606 00:32:03,458 --> 00:32:07,196 and criticising Wiltshire Police in the media is not helping things. 607 00:32:07,221 --> 00:32:08,523 It's not all critical. 608 00:32:08,553 --> 00:32:12,914 I always tell everybody what a fantastic job Steve Fulcher did. 609 00:32:12,915 --> 00:32:14,512 And he is a Wiltshire police officer, isn't he? 610 00:32:14,513 --> 00:32:16,094 We're all in this together. 611 00:32:16,451 --> 00:32:19,008 Now, I was speaking to Sian's mum Elaine the other day 612 00:32:19,033 --> 00:32:21,352 and she was saying the same thing. 613 00:32:21,353 --> 00:32:22,513 It's a team effort. 614 00:32:22,875 --> 00:32:26,512 Did you tell her I'd asked to meet her? 615 00:32:26,513 --> 00:32:28,513 - I did. - And what did she say? 616 00:32:30,373 --> 00:32:31,373 Er... 617 00:32:31,513 --> 00:32:34,513 She says it's not the right time for her at the moment. 618 00:32:40,427 --> 00:32:42,427 Well, my door is always open. 619 00:32:45,513 --> 00:32:47,512 When you spoke to the psychiatrist 620 00:32:47,513 --> 00:32:49,960 about those feelings of rage, Christopher, 621 00:32:49,961 --> 00:32:52,512 of being consumed by a single thought, 622 00:32:52,513 --> 00:32:55,755 did he talk about finding a harmless release mechanism? 623 00:32:56,726 --> 00:33:00,366 For example, to think of something that calms us down. 624 00:33:00,786 --> 00:33:03,042 Well, I told him I liked to go fishing. 625 00:33:04,513 --> 00:33:06,513 I used to love sitting there for hours on end. 626 00:33:07,715 --> 00:33:09,513 I find it very peaceful. 627 00:33:09,915 --> 00:33:11,513 And that's good. 628 00:33:12,513 --> 00:33:13,713 Yeah. 629 00:33:13,955 --> 00:33:16,513 I had this special place where I liked to fish. 630 00:33:16,842 --> 00:33:18,520 Out in the woods. 631 00:33:19,447 --> 00:33:21,447 It was like my own private... 632 00:33:21,513 --> 00:33:23,513 I don't know what you'd call it. A sanctum. 633 00:33:24,395 --> 00:33:25,513 Yeah. 634 00:33:26,915 --> 00:33:28,513 I used to love going there. 635 00:33:29,513 --> 00:33:31,315 My special place. 636 00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:52,900 [DOOR CLOSES] 637 00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:56,240 The panel feels that 638 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,358 the continuation of custody of Christopher Halliwell 639 00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:00,700 without caution or without any of the other safeguards 640 00:34:00,701 --> 00:34:02,540 afforded him by PACE, 641 00:34:02,541 --> 00:34:05,495 particularly when en route to the location of Rebecca Godden, 642 00:34:05,496 --> 00:34:06,700 cannot be justified. 643 00:34:06,701 --> 00:34:10,060 At such time as it became apparent that Sian O'Callaghan was dead, 644 00:34:10,061 --> 00:34:12,311 you should have stopped the car, turned it around 645 00:34:12,312 --> 00:34:14,380 and taken Halliwell into custody. 646 00:34:14,381 --> 00:34:17,141 And the panel has a wider duty to perform 647 00:34:17,142 --> 00:34:19,700 in respect to public confidence, 648 00:34:19,701 --> 00:34:22,290 and the message needs to be sent to other officers 649 00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:25,700 that a detective cannot ignore PACE to such an extent 650 00:34:25,701 --> 00:34:28,380 without being held fully to account. 651 00:34:28,381 --> 00:34:31,543 And we regard your conduct as gross misconduct. 652 00:34:32,541 --> 00:34:35,700 On allegation two, the panel concludes that, 653 00:34:35,701 --> 00:34:37,700 on the balance of probability, 654 00:34:37,701 --> 00:34:41,060 you were given an instruction by Chief Superintendent Pritchard 655 00:34:41,061 --> 00:34:42,700 to not give interviews to the media. 656 00:34:42,701 --> 00:34:45,257 This is not behaviour we would expect from a senior officer 657 00:34:45,288 --> 00:34:47,731 and we regard the conduct as gross misconduct. 658 00:34:49,171 --> 00:34:51,346 These breaches would justify dismissal. 659 00:34:52,701 --> 00:34:55,700 However, taking into account your previous exemplary record, 660 00:34:55,725 --> 00:34:58,967 the panel has concluded that the most appropriate sanction... 661 00:34:59,701 --> 00:35:01,701 ...is a final written warning. 662 00:35:05,372 --> 00:35:09,700 And I cannot stress how close you came to losing your job today. 663 00:35:09,701 --> 00:35:12,700 I do hope that you have learnt from this experience. 664 00:35:12,701 --> 00:35:14,540 It's not right what Fulcher did! 665 00:35:14,541 --> 00:35:17,542 Why should we have to pay with our pain because of his mistakes? 666 00:35:17,543 --> 00:35:19,701 I've been mentally scarred by this. 667 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,851 It seems to me, come to Swindon and commit a murder 668 00:35:23,876 --> 00:35:25,265 cos you'll get away with it. 669 00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:28,920 I will never trust the police again. 670 00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:31,140 Never. 671 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,720 I can start back as soon as possible. 672 00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:35,951 And you're actually going to? 673 00:36:35,952 --> 00:36:37,580 Well, what else am I going to do? 674 00:36:37,952 --> 00:36:40,500 I'm a police officer. It's all I... 675 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,639 It's all I know, Yvonne! 676 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,639 - And I am fucking good at it! - Good for you, Steve! 677 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,188 Fuck everyone else! 678 00:37:05,108 --> 00:37:06,839 We're very pleased to have you here, Steve. 679 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,159 Thank you. 680 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,639 - You knew Ray Hayward, is that right? - Er, yes. 681 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,640 Yes, I liked Ray. 682 00:37:11,641 --> 00:37:14,479 I met him many times in meetings. 683 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,748 He always had an interesting take on things, you know. 684 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,320 Here we are. 685 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,639 Now, when the word went round that you were available, 686 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,215 our previous Bobby Van manager has just retired. 687 00:37:28,216 --> 00:37:29,409 Mm-hm. 688 00:37:29,434 --> 00:37:32,007 - You're obviously a bit overqualified... - What exactly is Bobby Van? 689 00:37:32,008 --> 00:37:33,839 It's a local initiative to get a van out 690 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,639 to burglary and criminal damage victims 691 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,639 to get their windows and doors and suchlike fixed up. 692 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,639 Mm-hm. Right. 693 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,319 Well, I'll... 694 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,640 I'll leave you to it. 695 00:37:44,948 --> 00:37:46,639 Give you a chance to get up to speed on everything. 696 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,640 - Thank you. - OK. 697 00:37:53,219 --> 00:37:57,219 [REPORTERS SHOUT QUESTIONS] 698 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,868 This is about justice for Becky. 699 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,077 And justice for a brave police officer, 700 00:38:04,078 --> 00:38:07,639 whose career has been ruined just for doing his job. 701 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,639 And over 40,000 people have signed our petition, 702 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,640 and with the help of our local MP 703 00:38:15,068 --> 00:38:17,679 we are delighted to be able to deliver our demand 704 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,639 for a change in the law directly to Mr Cameron. 705 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,348 And this must never be allowed to happen again. 706 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,999 Will my Right Honourable friend join our cause for a thorough review 707 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,319 of Code C of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act 708 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,639 so that terrible situations like this will not happen again? 709 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,639 I will look very carefully at what my honourable friend has raised 710 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,999 and the specific case that he mentions, 711 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,639 and look also at this issue 712 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,467 of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act. 713 00:38:46,468 --> 00:38:49,020 It is always important that all information 714 00:38:49,021 --> 00:38:52,639 that possibly can be put in front of a court is put in front of the court 715 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,639 so the court can reach the correct, er... 716 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,320 ...the correct decision. 717 00:38:59,806 --> 00:39:02,639 I want you to know that it's OK to feel happy again. 718 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,639 That, if something good happens, it's OK to smile 719 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,639 or feel good inside. 720 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,160 It's not betraying Sian to feel like that. 721 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,639 Me and Pete have decided... 722 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,639 ...that we make each other happy. 723 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,640 So, we're going to get married. 724 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,559 And I wanted to tell you before anyone else, 725 00:39:26,584 --> 00:39:28,584 so you can tell me how you feel about it. 726 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,640 If it's what you want. 727 00:39:32,641 --> 00:39:35,068 - Mm. - I'm happy for you. 728 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,148 Aiden? 729 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,640 I'm glad that you want to marry Pete. 730 00:39:42,272 --> 00:39:44,272 I just want you to be happy, Mum. 731 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,480 [ELECTRIC TOOTHBRUSH WHIRS] 732 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,640 [HE TURNS OFF THE TOOTHBRUSH] 733 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,640 [HE SWILLS AND SPITS] 734 00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:31,740 I've had enough, Steve. 735 00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:35,948 I can't take any more. 736 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,348 [HE CLEARS HIS THROAT] 737 00:40:42,892 --> 00:40:44,892 - OK, if I retire early... - Mm-hm. 738 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,640 ...my pension will be cut. 739 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,480 - We wouldn't have enough to live on. - I don't care. 740 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:14,640 Good to see you. 741 00:41:14,641 --> 00:41:16,640 So, this is where we are. Erm... 742 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,639 Well, Mr Cameron was true to his word 743 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,159 and he referred this to Theresa May, the Home Secretary. 744 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,429 Excellent. 745 00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:26,639 And she referred it to Damian Green, the Policing Secretary. 746 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,639 And he passed it on to ACPO, 747 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,639 the Association of Chief Police Officers. 748 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,639 - Right. - And they asked for comments 749 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,639 from the relevant police service, Wiltshire. 750 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,639 Then they went back to Damian Green with their recommendation 751 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,148 for no action required. 752 00:41:42,406 --> 00:41:44,406 They advise that Section 11 of PACE 753 00:41:44,431 --> 00:41:47,431 is only applicable to a threat to life and the recovery of evidence 754 00:41:47,456 --> 00:41:49,456 and, therefore, didn't apply in this case. 755 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,048 But that's exactly what Steve was doing. 756 00:41:53,073 --> 00:41:56,073 He was trying to save Sian and recover Becky's body. So... 757 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,908 I'm very sorry. 758 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,640 The pond itself. 759 00:42:00,641 --> 00:42:03,639 And as you can see, we've pulled out a lot of pieces of clothing. 760 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,639 - That's quite a lot there. - It is. 761 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,640 What are we up to now? 762 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,479 About 20 items so far. But I expect that to go up. 763 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,479 We're going to have another scan of the pond 764 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,639 and see if we can pull anything else out. 765 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,087 We might have missed one or two things. 766 00:42:16,112 --> 00:42:17,146 Sir! 767 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:18,988 Yeah. 768 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,788 OK. Excellent. 769 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,520 I think that might be Sian's boot. 770 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,028 It was nice of you to come round. 771 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,999 I always felt that, with everything that happened, 772 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,639 I never really got the chance to tell you how sorry I was 773 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,640 about what happened to Ray. 774 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,532 Well, it's not been easy for me, 775 00:42:59,557 --> 00:43:03,482 knowing that he was so desperate and that we couldn't help him. 776 00:43:03,483 --> 00:43:04,640 Thanks. 777 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,640 Look, I can't speak about the allegations against him, but... 778 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,640 ...from my point of view, he was a good friend. 779 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,640 Yeah. There was a lot I wanted to say about how he was treated. 780 00:43:22,953 --> 00:43:24,953 It's not worth it, Steve. 781 00:43:25,506 --> 00:43:28,506 I know what's been happening with you, and it's not worth it. 782 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,640 The job meant everything to Ray, too. But... 783 00:43:34,228 --> 00:43:36,640 ...it wasn't more important than his children... 784 00:43:37,028 --> 00:43:38,640 ...than his life. 785 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,640 [PHONE RINGS] 786 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,308 Debs? 787 00:44:32,333 --> 00:44:34,333 Are you watching the local news? 788 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,908 I think the timing's a bit too convenient. 789 00:44:40,353 --> 00:44:41,873 Where was it? 790 00:44:41,898 --> 00:44:44,538 They're carrying out a dig at a spot in Ramsbury. 791 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,639 I think this has come from some information 792 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,639 passed on by Halliwell's probation officer. 793 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,639 ...the boot in the water which we have recovered. 794 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,128 So, you were walking along the lane and...? 795 00:44:54,129 --> 00:44:57,639 Scoping the ponds as to which I thought 796 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,639 would be most likely to deposit property. 797 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,148 Why now? 798 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,999 They've done nothing over the last 18 months and then suddenly, 799 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,639 "Look what a great job we're doing." 800 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,116 I reckon they're worried about backlash 801 00:45:08,117 --> 00:45:09,680 over the way you've been treated. 802 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,999 He says that numerous items have been recovered. 803 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,639 Mm. One of 60, I heard. 804 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:15,679 60? 805 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,640 This could be what you've been waiting for, Steve. 806 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,999 Yeah, I know. 807 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,639 Bollocks. 808 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,639 - What? - I handed in my resignation. 809 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,988 I'm no longer a police officer.