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  Weighing in                   
at 274 pounds...                

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  The Sandman!                  

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   [narrator]                   
  In the 1990s,                 

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  Extreme Championship          
  Wrestling was meaner,         

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  more aggressive, and          
 bloodier than anything         

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 audiences                      
  had seen before,              

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  as the demands of the         
  company's rabid fanbase led to

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 a dangerous escalation         
  of in-ring violence.          

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 What is this?                  
 These guys are crazy.          

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  It felt so personal.          

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  Daddy, you're drunk.          

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   And I think that's why the   
 fans were so involved with it. 

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 People didn't know if          
it was scripted or not.         

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  And the more popular it got,  

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  the more they had to          
   top the last show.           

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 An escalation embodied         
    by The Sandman.             

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  The Sandman!                  

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  You know, got his jeans on,   
his t-shirt on,                 

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  his kendo stick, smoking a    
  cigarette, drinking a beer.   

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  Fan's like, "I could          
 be this guy."                  

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 You might think it is,         
 because all you see is         

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   a beer drinking, cigarette   
   smoking, scumbag.            

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   Sandman's character was as   
organic as it could get.        

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God, I love ECW.                

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   There's not a whole lot of   
   difference between           

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James Fullington                
and The Sandman.                

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  What can I do that            
 somebody hasn't done?          

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I can make myself bleed         
  before I get into the ring?   

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  Nobody else                   
 has done that.                 

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  Though a hardcore icon        

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    countless injuries and a    
  lawless locker room           

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  create no shortage of         
 controversies,                 

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   leaving The Sandman          
    with a brutal and           

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   complicated legacy.          

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  Somebody has got to           
   stop The Sandman.            

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 Why fuck with what's           
 going on in the back?          

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   As soon as the coke ends,    
   or the pot ends,             

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  there was, you know,          
  painkillers.                  

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  We all did alcohol,           
   drugs, pills that            

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   you could                    
   possibly think of.           

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  I don't know if he remembers  
 even half of the stuff         

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that has ever happened.         

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 I told my family, said, "Tell  
them the fucking worst.         

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   People need to know this."   

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   [Chanting]                   
   ECW! ECW!                    

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   He should've been            
 dead a long time ago.          

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[Bell chiming continues]        

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Yeah...                         

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 Alright, so my                 
music's playing.                

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Maybe some days                 
it's 30 seconds,                

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some days it's a                
  minute and a half...          

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 but at the one point,          
  it's like, alright,           

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  everybody should be clapping  
   your hands at this point.    

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   So when I come in,           
  I don't want                  

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  everybody to see me           
 at one time.                   

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  I want, like, some people to  
  see me and they'll be like,   

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  "Oh, shit,                    
   he's over there"!            

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 And then it works its          
way around the building,        

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 and it might take ten,         
  fifteen seconds 'til          

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   everybody actually figures   
 out you're over here.          

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   [Cheering]                   

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And then at that                
point I got 'em                 

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 and it's time                  
 to pop a beer.                 

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 Back in the day, dude,         
  I would drink, like,          

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six beers on the                
way to the ring.                

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 I'd smash 'em                  
against my head.                

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I'd be bloody before I          
even get into the ring.         

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 I mean, that's                 
his personality.                

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  He's drinking beer,           
   spitting it out.             

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   He's pouring beer            
   down your throat.            

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   [Cheering]                   

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  You feel like you're          
part of it, and you are.        

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 If you got a                   
  'Sandman' shirt on,           

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  you're definitely getting a   
 beer poured down your throat.  

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 You know what                  
  I'm saying?                   

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   It's the best part           
 of the show...                 

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unless you're wrestling.        
  If you're wrestling it sucks  

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   'cause you gotta wait for    
him to get to the ring.         

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But if you're watching,         
  it's great.                   

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   You know, 'cause you give    
   the fans what they want.     

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   He's one of them,            
   you know?                    

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 It's a great entrance.         

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 With those pants, and          
   put the durag on,            

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  it's like the equivalent of   
 like getting up and putting a  

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  hat on and, you know, going   
and doing your errands.         

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  Except this guy was putting   
  this shit on and going out    

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   and entertaining hundreds    
of thousands of people.         

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  At this point I'm having as   
  much fun as they're having,   

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 you know what I mean,          
  because...                    

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this is                         
   what I want to do.           

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  This is what, what I worked   
  my whole life to be in this   

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fucking moment right, right now,
 you know what I mean?          

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 I want that moment to          
last forever, you know?         

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I want to live                  
in that moment.                 

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It's a party. You know,         
his entrance is a party.        

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  And, you know, once           
  that's over, then, you know,  

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   you gotta see him wrestle.   

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  Oh!                           

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   Oh my God!                   

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  Yo, I'm The Sandman.          
   What the fuck up?            

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  Yeah, dude.                   
My parents call me Hak,         

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  my kids call me Hak,          

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   my granddaughter             
  calls me Poppy Hak.           

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I've had that name since        
 I was five years old,          

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my older brother                
 gave it to me.                 

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 Ah, dude, it was like          
  Saturday afternoon.           

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 I watched WW...WF at           
   one o'clock on Saturdays.    

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   Down goes Conrad!            

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   Dude, that's all I           
   ever wanted to be            

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  was a professional wrestler.  

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And the bloodied Sandman        
   thrown through that table.   

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   I was all coked up           
 and I was drunk and...         

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 I burglarize the house, which  
 is basically the only, like,   

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real like, "crime" crime        
that I ever did.                

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  And my first day in jail, I   
  punched a guard in the face.  

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I got in a fight with a         
guy over the television.        

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   I was watching something,    
   and he went to change it     

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  and then we got in a fight.   

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   Two guards were,             
  had to break it up.           

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  He ducked, I punched          
  a guard in the face.          

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   Broke his glasses.           

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I was lucky I didn't get        
  charged with assault          

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  on a guard. That could have   
been a couple of years,         

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 you know what I mean?          

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But I ended up literally        
   going to the hole            

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for six months.                 

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  I'm glad it happened          
   because, you know,           

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it's throwing a                 
rock in a pond.                 

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  If that ripple's not there,   
 maybe this ripple's not here.  

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   It's just the stupid shit    
I walk into in my life.         

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   ♪                            

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   I get out of jail,           
 it's like '84.                 

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   And like, this new           
 club opens up.                 

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  [Chattering]                  

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  And dude, the place           
  holds 2,000 people.           

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  It's like five storeys high.  

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 It's like the                  
  greatest thing ever.          

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  So, Thursday nights was ten   
  bucks all you could drink.    

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   So I'm out there,            
I'm on the dance floor.         

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Some blonde comes up and        
starts dancing with me,         

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  grabs me by my hand,          

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 and started walking me         
  across dance floor.           

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  I'm like, "Alright.           

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Where am I gonna go have        
  sex with this chick?          

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Where is-" 'Cause that's        
   exactly what I'm thinking.   

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We end up going                 
up these stairs.                

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 We're in this little frickin'  
 office, and I'm like,          

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"Well, how am I gonna do        
  this in this little office"?  

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   She goes,                    
 "Take your shirt off."         

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 I'm thinking how am I          
   gonna screw her?             

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  She goes, "Listen,            
I'm a producer-director         

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 for the Chippendales.          

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   I want you to be a           
 Chippendales."                 

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   I was one of those           
   guys who wore the            

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   black pants, tight pants,    
   the cuffs and the collar,    

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  and I just entertain          
   the women.                   

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   Because I don't leave the    
club until two o'clock          

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   in the morning, you know.    

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   You're snorting coke with    
  the boys who's down           

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  in the locker room, because   
   that's just what you did     

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  back in them days.            
 You know what I mean?          

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 And then I go out to           
 the after-hours club,          

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   and then I go to the club    
that opened up at 6 AM.         

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 It's just crazy, man.          

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And that was my job for         
 the next year or so,           

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   until I got fired            
for soliciting.                 

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  Soliciting.                   
  And I got...                  

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  because they weren't          
 paying a lot of money.         

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  I had like four guys          
   in on it with me.            

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  So, it was 100 bucks          
   to do us,                    

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 there was the Alpine Inn down  
  the street, that was 42.50.   

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   So of course, 100 for us,    
   42.50 for the Alpine Inn     

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   for however long it took.    

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 And that lasted for about six  
 months, until... I don't know, 

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just one day there's a          
   couple of state troopers,    

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   they're like, "Listen, we    
   could file some charges,     

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   or you could quit            
   and tell us who,             

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  who your boys are."           
I said,                         

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 "Well, I'm not telling         
  you who my boys are.          

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   That's your job to           
figure that out.                

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But, I'll quit."                
 So I was done.                 

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   He was not the type that I   
  would've saw myself           

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   going for, really.           
 He was very...                 

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  I don't know if you           
want to say flamboyant,         

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 but something                  
drew me to him.                 

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  And believe it or not, that   
   night we sat and talked,     

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 and he was just like,          
  "I think I could love you."   

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  -Hey, I work quick.           
  -[Laughing]                   

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  Dude, that's kinda            
 how I've been with...          

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 it's like I meet 'em           
and then, like, I'm in.         

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  I ended up actually,          
  a few months later,           

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 finding out I                  
 was pregnant.                  

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  And he said he'd like to get  
married before the child        

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 was born so he wasn't          
 born out of wedlock.           

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 Miss Peaches!                  

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   [Cheering]                   

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  My name is                    
 Lori Stolecki, a.k.a.          

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  'Peaches' from ECW,           
 and Sandman's ex-wife.         

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 He was in construction         
  at the time,                  

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and Joel Goodhart opened        
 up a wrestling school.         

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   I had to go check it out,    
 and then next thing you know,  

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 dude, like, three days later,  
 I gave the guy, like,          

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  3,500 bucks.                  

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   Three months later           
   I was in the ring.           

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   It's not gonna be pretty.    

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There's gonna be blood,         
   there's gonna be             

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   broken bones, and            
   it's me and you.             

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 When I first signed,           
 it was probably 1991.          

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He was a surfer.                

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   He had white stuff on his    
   nose, he wore a wetsuit,     

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  and he carried a surfboard.   

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   From South Beach,            
 California...                  

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  this is The Sandman!          

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My name's Sabu.                 

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  I've been wrestling           
over 30 years,                  

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   and I participated in ECW.   

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   Oh my God!                   

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   I, I remember him.           

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  And he came out with          
   Peaches, his wife.           

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  I met up with the promoter,   
 and he goes, "I got your name. 

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You're gonna be                 
'Mr. Sandman'."                 

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And he looks at my wife,        
 then he goes,                  

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  "You're gonna be 'Peaches'."  

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Peaches!                        

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  He used to wear this          
   god awful wetsuit            

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 that smelled horrible.         

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   I'm Kelly, and The           
   Sandman is my dad.           

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 And he would come out          
   with my mom, Miss Peaches,   

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   and he would come out with   
 his stupid surfboard.          

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   That was his very            
first gimmick.                  

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  You know, it started          
out doing, like,                

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little gymnasiums, and,         
like, car dealerships...        

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but it was, like, just a        
   fresh new company.           

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 It was, like,                  
   everybody was just           

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getting their bearings,         
   you know?                    

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 We're feeling it out.          

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  But, he was                   
  consistent with it.           

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 It was like his life's dream.  

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It's my pleasure being          
   here with all you people,    

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  'cause if it wasn't for you,  
   I wouldn't have this belt!   

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  Irish Whip!                   

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  The gimmick was bad,          
  his ability was not.          

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   I mean, he's big,            
  he was good looking,          

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  very bright, very athletic.   

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  Oh!                           

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 My name is Tod Gordon.         

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  I'm the creator and           
the founder of                  

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  Extreme Championship          
   Wrestling.                   

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  Oh, thank heaven. Here's our  
   commissioner, here's Tod.    

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  Sandman and I have been best  
   friends since we first met   

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 30 years ago, when I           
started my own company,         

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   which was Eastern            
 Championship Wrestling         

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  at the time,                  
  which became                  

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  Extreme Championship          
   Wrestling.                   

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   He was on my first           
   grouping of people to use.   

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  I've had that belt,           
I've been there before,         

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and I'll be there again.        

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    Sandman now on top of thing.

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 Philadelphia's Eastern         
 Championship Wrestling         

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 was a struggling               
 indie promotion,               

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  until the arrival of          
  Paul Heyman,                  

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  who transforms                
 the company into               

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  Extreme Championship          
   Wrestling,                   

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  Look at him!                  
   Fuck him!                    

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  Paul Heyman was the           
   right guy because            

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   he is great mind             
   for the business.            

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How to be a rule                
  breaker 101.                  

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Dude, he is the                 
 greatest mind ever in,         

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   in the history of            
professional wrestling.         

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Creatively, nobody could        
 touch Paul Heyman and          

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 come anywhere                  
  close to that dude.           

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  And I would not be sitting    
  here right now if it wasn't   

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   for Paul Heyman giving me    
  the ball and letting me run.  

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  First night,                  
 I go in there,                 

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  fucking he sees me            
  with the surfboard.           

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He goes, "That's getting broken 
   over your head tonight."     

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   And then the next            
thing you know,                 

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  I forgot my wrestling boots.  

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 I'm like, "Paul, sorry dude,   
 I forgot my wrestling boots."  

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 He goes, "I don't give         
a fuck." And I'm like...        

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  I don't have to wear          
wrestling shoes no more.        

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  Dude, it was a fucking light  
   bulb going off in my head.   

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When Paul Heyman says,          
"I don't give a fuck if         

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you're wearing wrestling        
boots." I'm like, boom,         

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  I'm not even gonna change.    
 I'm gonna wear the clothes...  

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   I'm gonna, I'm gonna show    
   up to the arena, and dude,   

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I'm gonna be me.                

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 I'm just gonna fucking         
be me out there.                

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   And it got to that- It was   
at that point I'm like,         

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  you're never                  
gonna be able to                

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 walk through                   
  this curtain again.           

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Like, you, you literally        
 cannot enter the ring          

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 like a normal                  
  wrestler ever again,          

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 because this is what's         
expected of you.                

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 He will be more hardcore than  
  the next Traci Lords video.   

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 And as for me,                 
  Paul E. Dangerously,          

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 haven't had a                  
   shave in a couple of weeks   

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 and don't look like I          
 really care anymore!           

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   Upon Paul Heyman's arrival,  

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    The Sandman drops           
    his surfer look,            

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 changing with the times        
  to re-invent himself          

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    with a whole new persona.   

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 I was always                   
   trying to figure,            

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00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,102
  what hasn't                   
 somebody done?                 

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00:12:16,168 --> 00:12:19,205
  Well, the good time's over,   
here comes The Sandman.         

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00:12:19,238 --> 00:12:21,574
 I'm the guy that's in the bar, 
 loses a game of pool,          

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00:12:21,607 --> 00:12:23,676
   and wants to get             
 into a fight with ya.          

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00:12:23,709 --> 00:12:25,711
 That was me in                 
 my life, dude.                 

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  That was my regular           
   Friday and Saturday night.   

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 You know what I mean?          
Like, I was a gimmick...        

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 by, by myself,                 
   born as a gimmick.           

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   We got to be ourselves in    
 the dressing room and          

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 ourselves in the ring.         

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 The beauty of                  
  Paul's intelligence,          

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00:12:38,390 --> 00:12:40,559
is he makes you                 
figure it out.                  

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00:12:40,593 --> 00:12:44,096
   By trial and error, that's   
   how he became The Sandman.   

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00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:45,464
  Hey, daddy.                   

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   My name is                   
 Bill 'Fonzie' Alfonso,         

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   and I am a 40 year           
plus veteran of                 

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 sports entertainment.          

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00:12:53,405 --> 00:12:55,941
   This is a winner!            
He's a winner!                  

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   Fuck you, asshole!           

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00:12:57,810 --> 00:13:00,246
  He would put things together  
in his head that                

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he thought would work in        
   ECW, and they did.           

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00:13:03,716 --> 00:13:05,651
   Life's a bitch...            

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00:13:07,753 --> 00:13:09,922
and then you marry one.         

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00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:11,957
   He's a typical Philly guy.   

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00:13:11,991 --> 00:13:14,059
 Like, you go to a bar,         
  you get in a brawl,           

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00:13:14,093 --> 00:13:15,461
   you know,                    
here's the dude.                

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00:13:15,494 --> 00:13:17,329
   He was a relatable           
   character.                   

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00:13:17,396 --> 00:13:21,433
 People could kind of identify  
 with that South Philly vibe.   

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00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:24,470
  He was your buddy who would   
  come off the couch and just   

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 step into the ring, and swing  
   a cane and drink a beer.     

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   My name is Raven,            
 professional wrestling         

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   superstar, but you           
   already know that.           

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00:13:33,112 --> 00:13:35,247
For the first time ever,        

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00:13:35,281 --> 00:13:39,618
 Raven goes one on one          
   with The Sandman.            

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   You know, every fan says,    
 "Oh, I would get in the ring." 

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00:13:42,454 --> 00:13:44,990
Sandman with the                
  guillotine leg drop.          

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00:13:45,024 --> 00:13:47,092
 But he's the guy that          
   actually goes and does it.   

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00:13:47,126 --> 00:13:49,361
  Part of being a good worker   
  is knowing how to get your    

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00:13:49,428 --> 00:13:51,931
   character over and how to    
   keep the character over.     

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00:13:51,964 --> 00:13:55,534
And he's done that for,         
you know, 35 years now.         

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00:13:58,537 --> 00:14:01,040
 Well, yeah! And like,          
   coming through the crowd.    

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00:14:01,106 --> 00:14:03,609
 I think I came through         
   the crowd because,           

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00:14:03,642 --> 00:14:05,778
me and Missy were coming        
   through the crowd.           

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00:14:05,811 --> 00:14:10,983
[Laughing] Dude.                
 Me and Missy.                  

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00:14:11,016 --> 00:14:16,155
  [Laughing] We're in           
fucking Queens,                 

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00:14:16,188 --> 00:14:18,791
  and there is                  
this strip club.                

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00:14:18,824 --> 00:14:21,627
  Me and Missy are over in the  
   strip club and my music's    

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00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:23,796
 playing, it's already          
  played once this whole time.  

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00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:26,498
  So, I wasn't going, fucking   
 up through the back,           

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00:14:26,532 --> 00:14:27,700
 into in there.                 

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00:14:27,733 --> 00:14:30,336
  I just went through           
the front fucking door.         

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00:14:30,369 --> 00:14:32,238
   Boom! Light bulb.            

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00:14:32,304 --> 00:14:34,240
 Nobody's come through          
   the crowd before.            

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00:14:34,306 --> 00:14:36,709
Just drinking his beer,         
 walking through the audience.  

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00:14:36,742 --> 00:14:39,345
   Meanwhile, he's drunk off    
his ass by then, geez.          

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00:14:39,378 --> 00:14:41,547
Then he's drinking five         
on the way to the ring.         

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 We trusted him because         

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 we knew he was                 
 able to do it.                 

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00:14:46,585 --> 00:14:49,555
My name is RVD.                 
   That stands for...           

363
00:14:49,588 --> 00:14:52,658
 Rob! Van! Dam!                 

364
00:14:52,691 --> 00:14:55,060
   [Cheering]                   

365
00:14:55,094 --> 00:14:58,330
  You know, he proved himself   
  that he was able to           

366
00:14:58,364 --> 00:15:00,366
 wrestle when                   
 he was drunk.                  

367
00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:01,901
   Watching him, I would get    
   nervous with his             

368
00:15:01,934 --> 00:15:04,436
  freaking ass, climbing up on  
   the top rope and I'm like,   

369
00:15:04,503 --> 00:15:06,772
  "Is he really gonna           
 attempt this                   

370
00:15:06,839 --> 00:15:08,574
aerial maneuver                 
  right now"?                   

371
00:15:08,607 --> 00:15:10,676
  Oh!                           

372
00:15:10,709 --> 00:15:12,544
  I know I can                  
trust him drunk.                

373
00:15:12,578 --> 00:15:14,079
   Anybody drunk? No.           

374
00:15:14,113 --> 00:15:16,248
 Sandman, yes.                  
 Anybody else?                  

375
00:15:16,282 --> 00:15:18,417
  I wouldn't allow it either.   
But Sandman...                  

376
00:15:18,450 --> 00:15:19,852
   you're not drunk?            

377
00:15:19,885 --> 00:15:21,253
 I'm not wrestling you.         
   [Laughing]                   

378
00:15:24,023 --> 00:15:25,591
   So, it's a Sunday.           

379
00:15:25,624 --> 00:15:26,892
 Paul's like,                   
  "Let's go outside."           

380
00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:28,794
And we're standing next         
 to this fucking tree.          

381
00:15:28,861 --> 00:15:30,896
  Paul goes, "You know          
 that kid overseas that         

382
00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,065
got caught spray                
   painting the car"?           

383
00:15:33,098 --> 00:15:34,733
 I'm like, "Yeah, kid,          
 Michael Fay." He goes,         

384
00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:36,435
  "Good, you know what          
  I'm talking about."           

385
00:15:36,468 --> 00:15:39,071
   Singapore had sentenced an   
  18 year old American          

386
00:15:39,104 --> 00:15:41,473
  to six strokes with           
a bamboo cane.                  

387
00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:42,875
  And I said, "Yeah."           

388
00:15:42,908 --> 00:15:44,443
Dude, you ever see that         
  fucking cane that they use?   

389
00:15:44,476 --> 00:15:46,578
Every shot they hit you         
with it makes you bleed.        

390
00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:48,948
  He goes, "You're gonna start  
   carrying a Singapore cane    

391
00:15:48,981 --> 00:15:52,151
 to the ring." I'm like, "Paul, 
  okay, what am I gonna use"?   

392
00:15:52,217 --> 00:15:54,586
   He goes...                   

393
00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:56,956
   rips a branch off            
   the fucking tree,            

394
00:15:56,989 --> 00:15:59,158
   rips all the little other    
branches off it, says,          

395
00:15:59,224 --> 00:16:00,592
"Get some tape,                 
 wrap it around there.          

396
00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:02,094
That's gonna be                 
  your Singapore cane.          

397
00:16:02,127 --> 00:16:03,662
   I want you to cut            
   a promo with it."            

398
00:16:03,729 --> 00:16:07,166
The first ever                  
Singapore Caning Match.         

399
00:16:07,232 --> 00:16:12,237
   May 14th                     
  Saturday night ECW!           

400
00:16:12,271 --> 00:16:16,241
And now it's The Sandman        
  caning Iron Man Tommy Cairo.  

401
00:16:16,275 --> 00:16:18,577
  -[Smacking]                   
  -Did you hear that?           

402
00:16:18,610 --> 00:16:21,113
  And then the, the angle with  
   Dreamer, just. [Whistling]   

403
00:16:22,414 --> 00:16:24,583
 It went to ten lashes.         

404
00:16:24,616 --> 00:16:26,085
 I can't look!                  

405
00:16:26,118 --> 00:16:27,619
  Ah!                           

406
00:16:27,653 --> 00:16:29,321
  It skyrocketed both           
of our careers.                 

407
00:16:29,355 --> 00:16:32,091
 He got his ass kicked,         
   but he took it like a man.   

408
00:16:32,124 --> 00:16:33,826
 And Philly loves that.         

409
00:16:33,859 --> 00:16:37,529
Thank you, sir.                 
  May I have another!           

410
00:16:37,596 --> 00:16:39,798
 And The Sandman takes          
   an eleventh shot!            

411
00:16:39,832 --> 00:16:42,267
 It's hardcore                  
   because it's real.           

412
00:16:42,301 --> 00:16:44,937
   And to me you're pulling     
  something out of the inside   

413
00:16:44,970 --> 00:16:47,973
of somebody that they're        
feeling somehow                 

414
00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:49,375
   what you're doing            
 in the ring.                   

415
00:16:49,441 --> 00:16:52,277
Hardcore isn't violence         
to do violence.                 

416
00:16:52,311 --> 00:16:55,280
   To me, like, the hardcore    
   is violence for a reason.    

417
00:16:55,314 --> 00:16:57,149
And then it just                
   means more people,           

418
00:16:57,182 --> 00:16:58,484
   and you can see it           
in their faces.                 

419
00:16:58,517 --> 00:17:00,319
  You can see how they react.   

420
00:17:00,352 --> 00:17:02,221
   Sandman wasn't a wrestler.   

421
00:17:02,287 --> 00:17:04,356
 He was a entertainer.          

422
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:06,358
That cigarette hit our          
  cameraman right in the eye.   

423
00:17:06,392 --> 00:17:08,227
   That's what ECW was about.   

424
00:17:08,293 --> 00:17:09,661
  Wrestling is entertainment.   

425
00:17:09,695 --> 00:17:11,964
 You don't have to do a         
wristlock, a wristwatch,        

426
00:17:11,997 --> 00:17:13,532
 a moonsault to                 
  get over it.                  

427
00:17:13,565 --> 00:17:15,467
It doesn't have                 
to be wrestling.                

428
00:17:15,501 --> 00:17:20,706
 I'm getting ready to take you  
  to a new level of extreme!    

429
00:17:20,739 --> 00:17:22,241
  Ah!                           

430
00:17:22,307 --> 00:17:24,810
 He got better and better and   
 knew how to play The Sandman,  

431
00:17:24,843 --> 00:17:27,146
and he was just                 
 acting this part out.          

432
00:17:27,179 --> 00:17:28,814
   Everybody was kind           
  of riding that high.          

433
00:17:28,847 --> 00:17:30,849
Everyone was like, "Man,        
  like, they made it."          

434
00:17:30,883 --> 00:17:33,385
   We're in this very           
   concentrated community and   

435
00:17:33,419 --> 00:17:35,854
 everybody knew                 
  who he was.                   

436
00:17:35,888 --> 00:17:38,824
  He dropped me off at school   
and he's got gash marks         

437
00:17:38,857 --> 00:17:40,826
 on his head from like          
the beer cans.                  

438
00:17:40,859 --> 00:17:42,694
And my teacher's                
   like, "The fuck...           

439
00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:44,229
  Tyler, you alright?"          

440
00:17:44,263 --> 00:17:47,833
   I'm Tyler Fullington, and    
   The Sandman is my father.    

441
00:17:47,866 --> 00:17:50,169
Every time he was home,         
   you know,                    

442
00:17:50,202 --> 00:17:51,737
   he made sure to spend time   
with us because                 

443
00:17:51,770 --> 00:17:54,239
 he knew he would be on         
  the road, you know,           

444
00:17:54,273 --> 00:17:55,674
  a lot, and be away.           

445
00:17:55,707 --> 00:17:58,077
 And he wanted to make          
sure that his kids were         

446
00:17:58,110 --> 00:17:59,511
having his time                 
   when he was home.            

447
00:17:59,545 --> 00:18:00,879
   You know,                    
hurting or not.                 

448
00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:02,281
 He would just                  
roll out of bed,                

449
00:18:02,347 --> 00:18:04,917
throw pants on and like,        
  let's roll.                   

450
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:07,252
Literally, he would say,        
 "Let's roll"!                  

451
00:18:07,286 --> 00:18:10,722
  The older and older I got I   
  felt, this is cool and all,   

452
00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:15,794
  but times I'd rather          
just have my dad around.        

453
00:18:16,795 --> 00:18:20,065
Sandman's schedule becomes even 
more punishing                  

454
00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:22,201
 as ECW explodes in popularity  

455
00:18:22,234 --> 00:18:25,437
by constantly pushing their own 
limits.                         

456
00:18:27,573 --> 00:18:31,210
 Paul's show is                 
aimed at adults.                

457
00:18:31,243 --> 00:18:33,479
  The Sandman exposes           
 his ex-wife!                   

458
00:18:33,545 --> 00:18:36,882
   And so storylines            
  were adult.                   

459
00:18:36,915 --> 00:18:39,151
   The Sandman's got            
  a hold of his wife!           

460
00:18:39,218 --> 00:18:41,286
He just, he just                
pulled up her...                

461
00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,255
  and woman is                  
lashing Peaches!                

462
00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:44,623
   Just thought like,           
this is like the                

463
00:18:44,656 --> 00:18:47,059
furthest thing                  
  from pro wrestling.           

464
00:18:47,092 --> 00:18:50,262
 But Paul would                 
guide us the way                

465
00:18:50,295 --> 00:18:52,898
 the ECW energy                 
 needed to be.                  

466
00:18:52,931 --> 00:18:55,601
   Well, I had Nancy with me,   
  too, so that helps.           

467
00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:57,336
 Why thank you,                 
Sandman.                        

468
00:18:57,402 --> 00:18:59,104
And that's just                 
the beginning.                  

469
00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:01,173
   I've been known to           
 enhance a few careers.         

470
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,509
   She was so smart.            
   I would be like,             

471
00:19:03,575 --> 00:19:04,910
 "Yeah, I want to do it         
  this way." She goes,          

472
00:19:04,943 --> 00:19:06,278
 "No, we're not                 
   doing it that way.           

473
00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:08,480
   We're doing it this way."    
 I'm like, "Alright."           

474
00:19:08,514 --> 00:19:11,984
-Woman!                         
  -[Cheering]                   

475
00:19:12,017 --> 00:19:15,754
  And so if something           
 happens outside of the         

476
00:19:15,787 --> 00:19:17,856
   wrestling world,             
   they're gonna go with it,    

477
00:19:17,923 --> 00:19:19,925
 and the fans are gonna         
  know about it anyway          

478
00:19:19,958 --> 00:19:22,427
 because they were all,         
 what we called                 

479
00:19:22,461 --> 00:19:25,197
'the smart fans'                
or 'the smarks.'                

480
00:19:25,264 --> 00:19:27,866
   I walk into the building     
  and Paul Heyman goes to me,   

481
00:19:27,933 --> 00:19:31,170
 "I've been talking to          
   Macaulay Culkin.             

482
00:19:31,203 --> 00:19:32,604
  This is what we're gonna do.  

483
00:19:32,638 --> 00:19:34,439
   We're gonna bring him in     
  as your kid." And I'm like,   

484
00:19:34,473 --> 00:19:36,208
"Dude, I have a                 
Macaulay Culkin sitting         

485
00:19:36,275 --> 00:19:37,843
 right out in my van."          
   He goes, "Great!             

486
00:19:37,876 --> 00:19:39,645
   We'll use Tyler."            

487
00:19:39,678 --> 00:19:41,513
That's just one                 
of Paul's lies.                 

488
00:19:41,547 --> 00:19:43,448
 Had no connection to           
Macaulay Culkin at all.         

489
00:19:44,449 --> 00:19:46,852
 Yeah.                          

490
00:19:46,885 --> 00:19:48,187
   Of course they do.           

491
00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:50,155
  He could sell you snowballs   
 in winter, trust me.           

492
00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:51,690
   Yeah, I was about            
six years old.                  

493
00:19:51,723 --> 00:19:54,193
My mom,                         
   dad came up to me.           

494
00:19:54,226 --> 00:19:56,195
  "How would you like to be,    
like, part of the show, or..."? 

495
00:19:56,228 --> 00:19:58,830
   I'm like,                    
 "Uh, I guess"?                 

496
00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:00,065
   You know,                    
  what am I gonna do?           

497
00:20:00,132 --> 00:20:02,167
I just remember he takes        
 my wife, and then he,          

498
00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:05,070
 and then he takes my kid, and  
 then we're off to the races.   

499
00:20:13,412 --> 00:20:15,547
The Sandman'swife Lauri has long
   been an ECW fixture          

500
00:20:15,581 --> 00:20:17,149
 as part of her husband's       
   storylines.                  

501
00:20:17,182 --> 00:20:20,819
  And now takes center stage in 
   his latest feud with Raven   

502
00:20:21,153 --> 00:20:23,088
   You took my child.           

503
00:20:23,155 --> 00:20:27,993
  Tonight, I'm gonna take you,  
 Raven, to the extreme.         

504
00:20:28,026 --> 00:20:30,395
  However, the idea of bringing 
   his son Tyler into the mix   

505
00:20:30,429 --> 00:20:31,830
    was something the           
 wrestling world                

506
00:20:31,863 --> 00:20:33,899
    hasn't seen and             
    wouldn't expect.            

507
00:20:33,932 --> 00:20:35,234
Oh dear Lord...                 

508
00:20:35,267 --> 00:20:38,337
   I don't even know            
   how it all began.            

509
00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:42,341
   Inside this woman's body,    
  began the constant            

510
00:20:42,374 --> 00:20:45,777
evolution of the                
  Sandman's successor.          

511
00:20:45,844 --> 00:20:48,547
  Sandman and my feud,          
  I would say,                  

512
00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:51,016
is one of the greatest          
  feuds in the history of the   

513
00:20:51,049 --> 00:20:53,585
   business, but I'm partial    
   'cause I was in the feud.    

514
00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:55,454
But I really think that.        

515
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,056
Everybody knows somebody        
who has a marriage that         

516
00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:00,926
   got ended in divorce where   
  the child is used as          

517
00:21:00,959 --> 00:21:03,862
 a prop to gain                 
  concessions.                  

518
00:21:03,895 --> 00:21:07,966
 All the abuse, the suffering,  
 the emotional alienation that  

519
00:21:08,033 --> 00:21:11,036
  I took as a child is          
  now being inflicted           

520
00:21:11,069 --> 00:21:13,238
 upon your son,                 
Sandman.                        

521
00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:14,806
   And it's the most            
lowdown, dirty,                 

522
00:21:14,873 --> 00:21:16,575
and cruel thing                 
  you can do.                   

523
00:21:16,608 --> 00:21:18,277
   So I'm like, "Oh,            
this is great."                 

524
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:20,612
  The main crux of it was that  
   Raven and Sandman had been   

525
00:21:20,646 --> 00:21:23,215
feuding and they wanted         
   to take it the next level.   

526
00:21:23,248 --> 00:21:26,218
So Raven, quote unquote,        
 stole Sandman's wife.          

527
00:21:26,251 --> 00:21:28,287
  I've already pimped           
  her out to                    

528
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,489
the whole locker                
  room before.                  

529
00:21:30,555 --> 00:21:32,090
   But then he stole            
  Sandman's son Tyler,          

530
00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:34,059
   which was really             
 controversial because          

531
00:21:34,092 --> 00:21:36,962
we had a kid who's like         
  five years old in the ring.   

532
00:21:36,995 --> 00:21:39,464
  Next thing you know,          
  here we are.                  

533
00:21:39,498 --> 00:21:42,267
   He's got a little            
flannel shirt on and...         

534
00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:44,603
   and they just coached him    
   in the back a little bit     

535
00:21:44,636 --> 00:21:47,439
   just what to say.            
   And, you know...             

536
00:21:47,472 --> 00:21:49,808
 Don't you dare fucking         
smile out there.                

537
00:21:49,841 --> 00:21:51,443
Nothing.                        

538
00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:54,112
   I don't want any reaction    
 from you on anything.          

539
00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:56,615
  This is where your face is.   

540
00:21:56,648 --> 00:21:58,450
   What do you think            
   about that, kid?             

541
00:21:58,483 --> 00:22:00,819
  That's your face and          
that's the way you stay.        

542
00:22:00,852 --> 00:22:02,587
Look at him, there's the        
   face right there.            

543
00:22:02,621 --> 00:22:04,122
There's the face, that,         
that's the face                 

544
00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,124
 that I always told him         
  to have on.                   

545
00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:07,492
The money shot.                 

546
00:22:07,526 --> 00:22:12,130
  I can close my eyes and see   
him dressed like Raven.         

547
00:22:12,164 --> 00:22:13,498
 It was crazy.                  

548
00:22:13,532 --> 00:22:15,767
 I was young and naive.         

549
00:22:15,801 --> 00:22:17,869
You know, me and my mom         
   are coming down the aisle.   

550
00:22:17,936 --> 00:22:19,438
 Raven's a bloody mess,         
got barbed wire                 

551
00:22:19,471 --> 00:22:20,706
 in his hair or                 
  something like that.          

552
00:22:20,772 --> 00:22:22,774
   We just get in the front,    
  Raven says,                   

553
00:22:22,808 --> 00:22:23,942
   "Tyler, tell him."           

554
00:22:23,975 --> 00:22:26,611
   -Tyler, tell him!            
 -Daddy, you're drunk!          

555
00:22:26,645 --> 00:22:29,147
  Now I worship Raven.          

556
00:22:29,181 --> 00:22:31,683
 I hit the line and you         
   could hear, like,            

557
00:22:31,717 --> 00:22:34,353
   a somberness, like           
 almost over the crowd.         

558
00:22:34,386 --> 00:22:38,623
   Like, "Ooh." Like,           
like that hurt.                 

559
00:22:38,657 --> 00:22:40,826
It wasn't like a cheer.         
 It wasn't like a boo.          

560
00:22:40,859 --> 00:22:42,494
  Like it was like...           

561
00:22:42,527 --> 00:22:44,730
   oh, shit.                    
  Like, damn.                   

562
00:22:44,796 --> 00:22:48,467
   "I worship Raven." And the   
whole place was like...         

563
00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:50,402
   [Gasping]                    

564
00:22:52,904 --> 00:22:54,573
 Quiet.                         

565
00:22:54,639 --> 00:22:57,042
   And you don't hear           
   that in the arena.           

566
00:22:57,075 --> 00:22:58,577
These people ate it up.         

567
00:22:58,643 --> 00:22:59,811
  They were just like,          
  "Holy shit,                   

568
00:22:59,845 --> 00:23:01,480
 you just hurt                  
 The Sandman."                  

569
00:23:01,513 --> 00:23:04,549
Like, Raven became the,         
   the heel's heel.             

570
00:23:04,583 --> 00:23:07,819
   You know, now you came in    
   and you stole his family.    

571
00:23:07,853 --> 00:23:10,155
 That shit put                  
asses in seats.                 

572
00:23:10,188 --> 00:23:11,757
[Crying]                        

573
00:23:11,823 --> 00:23:13,925
  Don't do this to me!          

574
00:23:13,992 --> 00:23:15,494
   Tyler is an amazing actor.   

575
00:23:15,527 --> 00:23:17,729
Hey, you little bastard,        
 why don't you shut up?         

576
00:23:17,763 --> 00:23:20,198
   The Sandman's not            
  even your real dad.           

577
00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:22,000
   [Gasping]                    

578
00:23:22,033 --> 00:23:24,569
He never missed a cue.          
He never missed a spot.         

579
00:23:24,603 --> 00:23:26,738
  -This sucks.                  
 -Shut up, kid.                 

580
00:23:26,772 --> 00:23:29,107
   We'd be gone doing           
 promos after the show,         

581
00:23:29,174 --> 00:23:31,042
 and I'd be drunk, and          
 I'd screw up a promo,          

582
00:23:31,076 --> 00:23:32,511
or I'd forget to                
   give him the line,           

583
00:23:32,544 --> 00:23:34,279
 and he would still hit         
the line anyway                 

584
00:23:34,346 --> 00:23:35,447
   exactly in the right spot.   

585
00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:36,715
I mean,                         
he was amazing.                 

586
00:23:36,748 --> 00:23:38,183
   Hey, kid.                    

587
00:23:38,216 --> 00:23:40,552
   You know the divorce was     
 your daddy's fault, don't ya?  

588
00:23:40,585 --> 00:23:42,187
I know.                         

589
00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:44,389
  I think I know now,           
 more,                          

590
00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,224
   like looking back            
on it, like...                  

591
00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:47,392
  man, yeah,                    
those guys were                 

592
00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,227
 pretty fucking crazy,          
   you know? Like...            

593
00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:52,030
   but at the time,             
I was just being a kid.         

594
00:23:52,063 --> 00:23:54,466
   I don't even know if I was   
 prepared for it, and I'm like, 

595
00:23:54,533 --> 00:23:57,569
  "Oh, my God, this is really   
 happening." And I'm thinking,  

596
00:23:57,602 --> 00:24:00,605
  "This is gonna turn my life   
upside down." You know?         

597
00:24:00,639 --> 00:24:02,574
   'Cause everything            
  had to be separate.           

598
00:24:02,607 --> 00:24:05,477
   Travel separate,             
   show up separate,            

599
00:24:05,544 --> 00:24:08,146
leave separate.                 
 It was crazy.                  

600
00:24:08,213 --> 00:24:11,116
  We'd be leaving the           
 arena, separate cars,          

601
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:12,784
 and you have a                 
 meeting spot.                  

602
00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:15,320
You pulled up to the gas        
  station and kinda look like,  

603
00:24:15,387 --> 00:24:16,888
anybody with an                 
 ECW shirt on?                  

604
00:24:16,922 --> 00:24:18,623
Like, alright, get out,         
 switch cars,                   

605
00:24:18,657 --> 00:24:20,459
   like get back in the car,    
   you know, stuff like that.   

606
00:24:20,492 --> 00:24:22,994
  You know, the marks,          
  they're always out,           

607
00:24:23,061 --> 00:24:24,296
 always looking for ya.         

608
00:24:24,329 --> 00:24:27,165
 They know exactly who          
 you are, where you go.         

609
00:24:27,232 --> 00:24:30,769
  And it's hard trying to keep  
  that whole storyline          

610
00:24:30,802 --> 00:24:34,105
separate for as                 
long as we did.                 

611
00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:37,242
  Me, my dad,                   
my mom, Tyler...                

612
00:24:37,275 --> 00:24:38,910
   we did this all together.    

613
00:24:38,944 --> 00:24:40,412
   They might've been           
   in the spotlight,            

614
00:24:40,445 --> 00:24:42,147
but we did this                 
 all together.                  

615
00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:44,616
We're traveling to shows        
 constantly every week.         

616
00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:47,018
   You know,                    
 that was life.                 

617
00:24:47,085 --> 00:24:49,087
  Shit, there were times we'd   
  be driving around New York    

618
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,922
   and they would find this,    
   like, playground.            

619
00:24:50,956 --> 00:24:52,624
 It's like two o'clock          
in the morning.                 

620
00:24:52,657 --> 00:24:54,593
We were in like,                
   bum fuck New York,           

621
00:24:54,626 --> 00:24:56,595
and it was pouring rain,        
   and Raven saying,            

622
00:24:56,628 --> 00:24:59,331
   "This is like the            
 best weather to like,          

623
00:24:59,364 --> 00:25:00,966
 we gotta shoot                 
  this promo."                  

624
00:25:00,999 --> 00:25:04,369
 I am their salvation.          

625
00:25:04,436 --> 00:25:08,173
   And at the very end they     
  cut to me, and I just said-   

626
00:25:08,206 --> 00:25:11,343
Quote the Raven,                
   nevermore.                   

627
00:25:11,376 --> 00:25:14,713
   "Quote the Raven,            
  nevermore."                   

628
00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:17,148
   [Laughing]                   

629
00:25:17,182 --> 00:25:18,550
I had one line, cut it,         

630
00:25:18,617 --> 00:25:20,151
  and I guess I got to          
   go back to sleep.            

631
00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:23,522
  [Laughing] You see,           
I control the children.         

632
00:25:23,555 --> 00:25:26,558
   I just think they got away   
   with doing so much           

633
00:25:26,625 --> 00:25:28,960
  that other                    
   companies didn't.            

634
00:25:28,994 --> 00:25:32,030
  And they just really          
pushed the line.                

635
00:25:32,063 --> 00:25:34,332
   They pushed every            
 limit that they could.         

636
00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:36,968
  This is just heartbreaking.   

637
00:25:37,002 --> 00:25:39,971
   I couldn't do it mentally    
 anymore and I didn't           

638
00:25:40,005 --> 00:25:42,173
  want my kids to be a          
  part of it anymore.           

639
00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:45,844
It was too much.                

640
00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:48,380
    The Sandman and Raven's     
    storyline proves to be      

641
00:25:48,413 --> 00:25:50,549
    a massive success for the   
    company.                    

642
00:25:50,582 --> 00:25:53,518
But their attempt to take it to 
 the next level                 

643
00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:57,589
could end up bringing ECW down. 

644
00:25:57,656 --> 00:25:59,591
The best way to describe        
   Raven is he's a martyr for   

645
00:25:59,658 --> 00:26:01,993
 society's dysfunction,         
 and he wants everyone          

646
00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:03,595
   to feel his pain.            

647
00:26:03,662 --> 00:26:05,263
 So I came up with the          
   idea of putting Sandman up   

648
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:07,832
  on a cross so he could feel   
 my pain. So I'm like,          

649
00:26:07,866 --> 00:26:09,167
"I can't build a cross."        
He goes,                        

650
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,036
  "I'll build it, idiot face."  

651
00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:12,404
   Dude, people don't           
 realize that,                  

652
00:26:12,437 --> 00:26:13,772
that I used to                  
   build shit, dude.            

653
00:26:13,838 --> 00:26:15,440
   That's what I was.           
   I was, fuckin'...            

654
00:26:15,507 --> 00:26:17,876
I was a roofer,                 
 I was a concrete dude,         

655
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:19,444
   I was a carpenter.           

656
00:26:19,511 --> 00:26:20,779
 So...                          
   [chuckles]                   

657
00:26:20,845 --> 00:26:22,747
   he built his own cross and   
 we had a thorny crown,         

658
00:26:22,781 --> 00:26:26,785
   we had a barbed wire crown   
to be the thorny crown.         

659
00:26:26,851 --> 00:26:29,721
 Oh yeah, we made sure we got   
 all the little touches on it.  

660
00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:31,456
  So we throw Sandman           
 out to the floor, me,          

661
00:26:31,523 --> 00:26:33,024
 Stevie and the                 
Meanie and Nova,                

662
00:26:33,058 --> 00:26:35,560
   and we start tying           
   him to the cross.            

663
00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:39,097
   We start hoisting it up...   

664
00:26:39,130 --> 00:26:42,367
and all of a sudden the         
place goes, "Oh, shit."         

665
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,570
 Putting my dad                 
  on a cross.                   

666
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:48,106
That's the, it's a holy         
  figure- [laughing]            

667
00:26:48,139 --> 00:26:51,443
with barbed wire wrapped        
  around his head as if he is,  

668
00:26:51,476 --> 00:26:55,947
   you know, this embodiment    
   of Jesus Christ.             

669
00:26:55,981 --> 00:26:58,617
  I wasn't raised very          
  religious, clearly,           

670
00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:01,586
but somebody's                  
seeing that. I, I mean,         

671
00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:06,558
   I was like, "What the fuck   
 is gonna happen now"?          

672
00:27:13,632 --> 00:27:17,736
  As the Sandman and Raven steal
    the ECW spotlight,          

673
00:27:17,769 --> 00:27:20,105
  both are looking to shock the 
    audience                    

674
00:27:20,138 --> 00:27:24,943
   But neither man is prepared  
   for the backstage fallout.   

675
00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:26,511
I'm on the cross                
   and Stevie's like,           

676
00:27:26,578 --> 00:27:28,446
 "This is fucked up." I'm like, 
   "Shut the fuck up,           

677
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,615
  this is great, Stevie." And   
  then we get to the fucking,   

678
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,183
 fucking back,                  
I'm like, "Damn,                

679
00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:34,119
that was fucking                
 great, guys"!                  

680
00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:36,421
  And Paul E.'s like, "There's  
 so much heat on this."         

681
00:27:36,454 --> 00:27:37,922
I'm like, "Why?"                

682
00:27:37,956 --> 00:27:39,524
 And then everything was great  
   except fucking Kurt Angle    

683
00:27:39,591 --> 00:27:41,092
 happened to be in the fucking  
 building that night.           

684
00:27:41,126 --> 00:27:43,495
 You know, he's this Olympian,  
   it's his first time being    

685
00:27:43,528 --> 00:27:45,330
  around pro wrestling          
  and shit like that.           

686
00:28:09,487 --> 00:28:11,856
Paul wants to get this          
  Olympic fucking champion to   

687
00:28:11,890 --> 00:28:14,325
   come work for fucking ECW,   
 you know what I mean?          

688
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,994
   So Paul's kissing his ass.   

689
00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:18,463
   So, they get fucking Raven   
  to go out and apol-           

690
00:28:18,496 --> 00:28:20,298
I said,                         
   "That's fucking bullshit.    

691
00:28:20,331 --> 00:28:21,966
  I disagree.                   
  Fuck all you dudes."          

692
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,535
And I just walked away.         

693
00:28:23,568 --> 00:28:25,704
 And so, for the people         
 who I deeply offended,         

694
00:28:25,737 --> 00:28:27,839
  I apologize.                  

695
00:28:27,872 --> 00:28:29,307
 Despite the controversy        
   surrounding                  

696
00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:31,376
 the crucifixtion angle.        

697
00:28:31,409 --> 00:28:33,678
  the scandal doesn't slow The  
  Sandman's momentum.           

698
00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:35,013
 Dude,                          
  are you kidding me?           

699
00:28:35,046 --> 00:28:38,249
  Me and my man Scorp,          
  we have the Tag Team titles.  

700
00:28:38,316 --> 00:28:42,487
  I have the Heavyweight title  
   and he's got the TV title.   

701
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,023
 When you and your boy got all  
  the titles in the company,    

702
00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:47,192
  then you know you're          
 doing something right.         

703
00:28:47,225 --> 00:28:50,261
   Despite the accolades and    
 championships                  

704
00:28:50,328 --> 00:28:53,698
  life on the road and          
ECW's hard hitting style        

705
00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:56,868
are taking a toll on The        
Sandman's body.                 

706
00:28:58,103 --> 00:28:59,370
   Oh my God!                   

707
00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:04,442
   What, are you kidding me?    
   I've broken like 27 bones.   

708
00:29:04,509 --> 00:29:08,279
 Yeah. Broken my neck,          
   this clavicle three times,   

709
00:29:08,346 --> 00:29:11,015
I need a new hip, I need        
two shoulder surgeries.         

710
00:29:11,049 --> 00:29:13,184
Dude, Superplex                 
  off the top rope is           

711
00:29:13,218 --> 00:29:15,053
 a 30 mile an                   
hour car crash.                 

712
00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,622
   Imagine doing ten of them    
every day of your life.         

713
00:29:17,689 --> 00:29:21,059
Forget it. I got                
  operated on,                  

714
00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:23,461
this leg is operated on,        
 that morning.                  

715
00:29:23,528 --> 00:29:26,464
They shaved my meniscus         
and flew back to Philly.        

716
00:29:26,531 --> 00:29:28,433
  I came into the ring where,   
I had crutches.                 

717
00:29:28,466 --> 00:29:29,634
 You know what                  
  I'm saying?                   

718
00:29:29,701 --> 00:29:31,870
  You love what you're          
 doing so much                  

719
00:29:31,903 --> 00:29:35,306
   that you just don't care.    

720
00:29:35,373 --> 00:29:37,542
I actually was                  
home one night,                 

721
00:29:37,575 --> 00:29:40,378
   and I got a call from Tod,   
  and he said,                  

722
00:29:40,411 --> 00:29:42,781
  "Hak's got a concussion and   
  he can't remember."           

723
00:29:42,814 --> 00:29:44,482
  And I was like, "Oh,          
   that's a good one.           

724
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:48,086
   You guys just go have fun    
  and stop trying to goat me."  

725
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,455
And he's like,                  
   "I'm not kidding.            

726
00:29:50,488 --> 00:29:53,224
 He got hit in the head and he  
  doesn't remember anything."   

727
00:29:53,258 --> 00:29:57,896
 He's like, "I'm dead serious." 
  So I had gone down,           

728
00:29:57,929 --> 00:30:01,599
and sure enough,                
  here he was.                  

729
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:04,269
  "Who won the match?           
What did it look like?"         

730
00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:06,271
 I said, "I don't know.         
I wasn't there."                

731
00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:09,407
  "Who won the match?"          
   It was relentless.           

732
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,809
  And then that was early on,   

733
00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:13,812
 and there is countless         
   times after that.            

734
00:30:13,845 --> 00:30:16,247
 I was like, "You can't         
keep doing this.                

735
00:30:16,281 --> 00:30:20,785
  You're not gonna be able to   
   do things with the kids."    

736
00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:22,153
  You know...                   

737
00:30:22,187 --> 00:30:25,423
they just wanna keep on         
  going, that's all they know.  

738
00:30:25,456 --> 00:30:27,091
 You get hurt,                  
 you get hurt.                  

739
00:30:27,125 --> 00:30:31,196
   So be it.                    
  Suck it the fuck up.          

740
00:30:31,262 --> 00:30:33,264
  He would never take a pill.   

741
00:30:33,298 --> 00:30:35,667
  And then it just got          
to a point where                

742
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,802
  you get in this pain and...   

743
00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:40,438
  well, okay, couple.           

744
00:30:40,471 --> 00:30:43,441
  Leads to a couple more, and   
  your body gets used to it,    

745
00:30:43,474 --> 00:30:46,377
 and a couple more...           
   and then you're drinking.    

746
00:30:46,444 --> 00:30:49,814
   And then you gotta go to     
  bed so you're taking Xanax,   

747
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:52,884
and then you gotta be up        
so you're doing cocaine.        

748
00:30:52,951 --> 00:30:55,320
 It's a vicious cycle.          

749
00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:59,490
And once you get on it,         
   it's very hard to get off.   

750
00:30:59,524 --> 00:31:01,693
  You know, I, I knew           
  what was going on.            

751
00:31:01,726 --> 00:31:03,828
  I knew what he kept           
  in his fanny pack.            

752
00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,363
  What am I gonna say?          
   I'm a kid.                   

753
00:31:05,396 --> 00:31:06,898
 I don't know.                  
 I'm 12, 13 years old.          

754
00:31:06,965 --> 00:31:09,634
Like, I don't know what         
   a Xanax is, or, you know,    

755
00:31:09,667 --> 00:31:11,469
 a perk or... whatever.         

756
00:31:11,502 --> 00:31:14,372
   At the time, like,           
 pain medicine.                 

757
00:31:14,405 --> 00:31:16,241
   That's all I know,           
   and if, you know,            

758
00:31:16,307 --> 00:31:18,309
I gotta trust him. "Yes,        
to help my back,                

759
00:31:18,343 --> 00:31:20,211
  help my neck, help."          
   You know?                    

760
00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:22,013
  Alright. You gotta            
 do what you gotta do.          

761
00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:24,883
   You work 300 nights a year   
getting body slammed and        

762
00:31:24,916 --> 00:31:26,751
you tell me what                
 you would do.                  

763
00:31:26,818 --> 00:31:29,053
   You know, as time            
  went on, of course,           

764
00:31:29,087 --> 00:31:31,189
   they have the barbed wire,   
  the chairs,                   

765
00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:33,491
the light bulbs,                
   the tacks.                   

766
00:31:33,524 --> 00:31:37,562
  So, a couple Perks,           
 some Somas...                  

767
00:31:37,595 --> 00:31:40,331
and it just progressed.         

768
00:31:40,365 --> 00:31:43,167
   I used to joke back then,    
   if you pass a piss test,     

769
00:31:43,201 --> 00:31:44,502
 you can't work for us.         

770
00:31:44,535 --> 00:31:47,038
We all got high, we all         
   partied, it's what we did.   

771
00:31:47,071 --> 00:31:49,540
  I remember my first           
 bag of pills I found.          

772
00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:51,342
 I knew exactly                 
  what it was.                  

773
00:31:51,376 --> 00:31:53,378
I remember my first bag         
 of coke that I found.          

774
00:31:53,411 --> 00:31:55,046
  First line of coke I found.   

775
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:58,182
   The older and older I got,   
  he was taking drugs,          

776
00:31:58,216 --> 00:32:01,085
  you know, just going          
  down the wrong path.          

777
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:04,022
 We used to go, on one          
  month every Friday,           

778
00:32:04,055 --> 00:32:05,690
we'd have three doctors         
 that we would                  

779
00:32:05,723 --> 00:32:07,392
go see in Philadelphia.         

780
00:32:07,425 --> 00:32:12,730
  All three doctors would give  
   us 90 OxyContin eighties.    

781
00:32:12,764 --> 00:32:16,968
 So, you're getting 270         
  OxyContin eighties,           

782
00:32:17,035 --> 00:32:20,405
 you're getting                 
 300 Percocets,                 

783
00:32:20,438 --> 00:32:23,608
   you're getting 300 Somas.    

784
00:32:23,641 --> 00:32:25,410
  And everybody would           
  come out, we would call it,   

785
00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:26,911
  oh, we would                  
 get our booty.                 

786
00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:28,579
There was a lot                 
 of drugs that                  

787
00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:29,981
went around the                 
dressing room.                  

788
00:32:30,048 --> 00:32:32,283
 I remember one time I          
 had a friend that had          

789
00:32:32,317 --> 00:32:34,152
brought me some                 
  mushrooms, and I was          

790
00:32:34,218 --> 00:32:37,388
   looking forward to trying    
 them after my match.           

791
00:32:37,422 --> 00:32:41,559
 I came for them later          
 and my bag was empty,          

792
00:32:41,592 --> 00:32:44,095
 and I was like, "Man,          
 who ate my mushrooms"?         

793
00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:46,831
 And Sandman was like,          
"Oh, were those yours"?         

794
00:32:46,898 --> 00:32:50,168
   [Laughing] He ate            
the whole bag.                  

795
00:32:50,234 --> 00:32:53,137
  He should be dead.            
Sandman should be dead.         

796
00:32:53,171 --> 00:32:56,441
  Raven, Sandman and I          
  was driving in a car          

797
00:32:56,474 --> 00:32:58,242
we were going 200 miles.        

798
00:32:58,276 --> 00:33:00,812
  Raven had got hurt            
 like the week before.          

799
00:33:00,845 --> 00:33:03,114
   He had a ruptured            
disc taken out,                 

800
00:33:03,147 --> 00:33:07,919
 so they gave him this          
   highly addictive narcotic.   

801
00:33:07,952 --> 00:33:10,421
  So we have to stop at a gas   
station so I can go to          

802
00:33:10,455 --> 00:33:12,023
  the bathroom and so           
I can shoot up,                 

803
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:13,758
'cause I gotta                  
get my dose in.                 

804
00:33:13,791 --> 00:33:15,460
I had never shot                
anything before,                

805
00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:18,262
 but I've seen TV shows         
  and shit like that.           

806
00:33:18,296 --> 00:33:19,630
I'm like, "Dude,                
  what are you doing"?          

807
00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:21,265
He's like, "I'm shooting        
an 80." He goes,                

808
00:33:21,299 --> 00:33:22,333
  "It's really good."           
   I'm like,                    

809
00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:24,335
 "Well, damn,                   
I want to try. I'm in"!         

810
00:33:24,369 --> 00:33:26,204
   You know,                    
 'cause I'm a druggie.          

811
00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:28,106
  So, I go to shoot a           
  whole 80, he goes,            

812
00:33:28,139 --> 00:33:30,041
 "Dude, do not                  
   shoot a whole 80.            

813
00:33:30,108 --> 00:33:32,176
   You do not want."            
   I'm like, "I snort five of   

814
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:34,112
  these things a day,           
  I can shoot an 80."           

815
00:33:34,145 --> 00:33:36,014
  So he shoots up the           
   same amount too,             

816
00:33:36,047 --> 00:33:40,051
and we get back in the          
   SUV and we start driving.    

817
00:33:40,118 --> 00:33:43,321
  Sandman starts going          
like- [Snorting]                

818
00:33:43,354 --> 00:33:44,722
He can't breathe right.         

819
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:47,125
   I said, "Raven, Sandman is   
   having trouble breathing."   

820
00:33:47,158 --> 00:33:48,793
 He said, "Oh,                  
   he'll be alright."           

821
00:33:48,826 --> 00:33:50,695
About 5 minutes                 
 later I said,                  

822
00:33:50,728 --> 00:33:53,031
 "Hey, daddy, his lips          
  are turning blue."            

823
00:33:53,064 --> 00:33:54,399
And we're like, "What"?         

824
00:33:54,465 --> 00:33:56,234
He's like, "His lips are        
 turning blue."                 

825
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:58,703
We're like, "Holy shit,         
 he's OD'ing."                  

826
00:33:58,736 --> 00:34:01,239
 Now we got a problem.          
  He's dying.                   

827
00:34:07,645 --> 00:34:10,648
  The Sandman's reckless nature 
 and persistent drug use        

828
00:34:10,681 --> 00:34:13,818
have landed him on the brink of 
 death.                         

829
00:34:13,851 --> 00:34:15,820
Thank God they stopped,         
   they called the ambulance,   

830
00:34:15,853 --> 00:34:18,990
the ambulance came, the         
adrenaline shot, needle.        

831
00:34:19,023 --> 00:34:21,359
   ♪                            

832
00:34:21,392 --> 00:34:23,394
They take me to                 
 the hospital.                  

833
00:34:23,428 --> 00:34:25,396
   I wake up at like            
  four in the morning.          

834
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:27,365
   I ripped the shit            
out of my arms,                 

835
00:34:27,398 --> 00:34:28,733
  grabbed my shit out           
   of the hospital,             

836
00:34:28,766 --> 00:34:30,935
  fucking went into the hotel,  
  fell asleep, got up,          

837
00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:32,703
and went to the show the        
   next day and shot            

838
00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:34,939
an OxyContin 80                 
 and loved it.                  

839
00:34:35,006 --> 00:34:36,274
   I liked it so much           
I'm like, "Dude,                

840
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:38,709
I can't do this again.          
  I'll end up fucking really,   

841
00:34:38,743 --> 00:34:42,613
 actually being dead."          
  Never did it again.           

842
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,285
I found bills in my mail        
 that show that he was          

843
00:34:47,351 --> 00:34:50,421
   resuscitated from            
  shooting up and flatlining,   

844
00:34:50,455 --> 00:34:52,690
 and he never told me.          

845
00:34:52,723 --> 00:34:54,058
 I wasn't telling her.          

846
00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:56,527
  Oh yeah, hon, I OD'd fucking  
 on the road last week.         

847
00:34:56,561 --> 00:34:58,062
  Almost died.                  

848
00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,730
  Yeah, I'm not coming          
  home with that story          

849
00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:02,033
 fucking Sunday                 
   afternoon.                   

850
00:35:02,066 --> 00:35:05,036
  As The Sandman struggles with 
   his personal issues          

851
00:35:05,069 --> 00:35:08,439
   ECW experiences a decline as 
 their top stars                

852
00:35:08,473 --> 00:35:11,275
leave for bigger, more          
mainstream promotions.          

853
00:35:11,309 --> 00:35:13,077
Towards the end of ECW,         

854
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:17,482
WCW and WWF was                 
  picking our talent.           

855
00:35:17,548 --> 00:35:19,951
  They would leave us           
   and go to WWF so,            

856
00:35:19,984 --> 00:35:23,654
Sandman got one of those        
offers to go to WCW and         

857
00:35:23,721 --> 00:35:27,225
   make five times the money    
 he was making in ECW,          

858
00:35:27,258 --> 00:35:28,459
  so why wouldn't he?           

859
00:35:28,493 --> 00:35:30,595
   And all the guys             
  up there were huge.           

860
00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:32,163
   Big monster guys.            

861
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:34,232
And Sandman was                 
a big, tall kid,                

862
00:35:34,265 --> 00:35:36,400
   but not big muscle bound.    

863
00:35:36,434 --> 00:35:37,768
   But he wanted to get big.    

864
00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:39,237
   But he, remember,            
  he didn't work out,           

865
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:40,605
he didn't go to                 
the gym at all.                 

866
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:43,508
   So, he ordered all           
   kind of steroids.            

867
00:35:43,574 --> 00:35:45,009
 We called it the gas.          

868
00:35:45,076 --> 00:35:47,278
   So that's the six months     
  that I was doing the juice,   

869
00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:49,514
   the steroids and             
  the growth hormone.           

870
00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:51,282
And the only reason why         
 I did it was because           

871
00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:52,850
  I was going to WCW,           

872
00:35:52,917 --> 00:35:55,620
 and that was the land          
of the freaking giants.         

873
00:35:55,653 --> 00:35:59,357
   What was funny about when    
Sandman went to WCW was         

874
00:35:59,423 --> 00:36:02,360
he got jacked, like for         
 the first time ever.           

875
00:36:02,426 --> 00:36:04,829
   [Cheering]                   

876
00:36:04,862 --> 00:36:08,633
  Course we had access to the   
best gas on the planet          

877
00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:10,468
   from Germany or whatever,    

878
00:36:10,501 --> 00:36:12,870
  the latest shit that          
 makes you big.                 

879
00:36:12,937 --> 00:36:16,040
So he was on it, and it         
 affects your thought,          

880
00:36:16,107 --> 00:36:17,942
 it makes you                   
mean sometimes.                 

881
00:36:17,975 --> 00:36:20,978
  It has a, an effect           
  on your personality.          

882
00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:23,147
 It turned my dad into          

883
00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:26,450
  an abusive,                   
  harmful individual.           

884
00:36:26,484 --> 00:36:30,288
 And my mom turned into         
this almost subservient,        

885
00:36:30,321 --> 00:36:33,524
meek woman for                  
a little while.                 

886
00:36:33,558 --> 00:36:35,393
   Breaking point for           
   me was the abuse.            

887
00:36:37,562 --> 00:36:39,797
  Mm-hm, yeah.                  

888
00:36:39,830 --> 00:36:41,699
My hair pulled.                 

889
00:36:41,732 --> 00:36:43,901
   I had a pillow put           
 over my face.                  

890
00:36:43,968 --> 00:36:48,539
  Not just physically abused,   
   but mental abuse.            

891
00:36:48,573 --> 00:36:52,376
   "You're stupid," you know,   
a bunch of that.                

892
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:54,045
   And sometimes the            
   mental stuff was             

893
00:36:54,078 --> 00:36:57,548
   harder than the physical.    

894
00:36:57,582 --> 00:37:00,751
 We were at his house,          
 and we're at the table         

895
00:37:00,818 --> 00:37:02,587
   and he's being a             
   dick to his wife,            

896
00:37:02,653 --> 00:37:05,756
and he poured a                 
   beer on her head.            

897
00:37:05,823 --> 00:37:08,059
He wouldn't have done it        
   unless he was off            

898
00:37:08,092 --> 00:37:10,361
 and gassed up                  
  and drunk.                    

899
00:37:10,394 --> 00:37:12,763
So, Sandman just                
got a shipment,                 

900
00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:17,368
$10,000 shipment                
of steroids and                 

901
00:37:17,401 --> 00:37:19,670
Peaches went in                 
   the refrigerator,            

902
00:37:19,704 --> 00:37:23,174
   and she fucking dumped it    
   all out in the front lawn,   

903
00:37:23,207 --> 00:37:24,875
  and he says, "Do you          
realize you just                

904
00:37:24,909 --> 00:37:27,111
 dumped $10,000                 
worth the shit?"                

905
00:37:27,178 --> 00:37:28,679
 And she said, "I don't         
 give a fuck, Sandman.          

906
00:37:28,713 --> 00:37:31,115
  You're acting like a          
  dick on this shit."           

907
00:37:31,182 --> 00:37:32,450
 I don't care.                  

908
00:37:32,516 --> 00:37:34,719
  You know, 'cause it           
made him angry.                 

909
00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:39,123
Like he was just angry.         

910
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:40,958
  It hurt. As much as           
  I loved him                   

911
00:37:41,025 --> 00:37:42,927
   I hated his guts,            
   you know?                    

912
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,362
   Because it was difficult.    

913
00:37:44,395 --> 00:37:45,796
   It was extremely             
difficult to see my mom         

914
00:37:45,863 --> 00:37:48,032
   go through what she had to   
  go through and like,          

915
00:37:48,065 --> 00:37:49,900
you love us so much how         
could you treat somebody        

916
00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:51,302
  you love like that?           

917
00:37:51,369 --> 00:37:53,037
 He's your parent, and          
you know it's not right,        

918
00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:54,972
 but you don't                  
   know how to help.            

919
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:56,874
  You know, you don't           
   know what to do.             

920
00:37:56,907 --> 00:38:00,211
  It got harder and harder to,  
you know, trust him and,        

921
00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:01,812
   you know, want to            
be around him.                  

922
00:38:01,879 --> 00:38:04,248
 I put fucking                  
   Lori through hell.           

923
00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:06,450
   Now I understand,            
 like her perspective,          

924
00:38:06,484 --> 00:38:08,386
 you know what I mean?          
  And it was all me.            

925
00:38:08,419 --> 00:38:10,621
If I could have                 
   my shit together,            

926
00:38:10,655 --> 00:38:12,757
 then maybe me and her          
would still be together.        

927
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:14,392
   Who knows.                   

928
00:38:14,425 --> 00:38:19,497
  All I can say is I            
  stayed in too long,           

929
00:38:19,563 --> 00:38:24,735
   and there's always           
   help to...                   

930
00:38:24,769 --> 00:38:28,172
   guide you to where           
you need to be.                 

931
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,809
   My mom...                    
took her a while, but...        

932
00:38:31,842 --> 00:38:35,012
  she made a decision.          

933
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,249
  And she decided that this is  
  not how she wants to          

934
00:38:38,282 --> 00:38:41,619
 live her life anymore,         
 she's got three kids.          

935
00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:44,789
  It was all my fault,          
 and I know it.                 

936
00:38:44,822 --> 00:38:46,657
 Dude, she was                  
 like an angel.                 

937
00:38:46,691 --> 00:38:48,759
  I was like the devil          
  reincarnated                  

938
00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:51,796
  for a little while.           
Maybe for a long while.         

939
00:38:59,937 --> 00:39:03,607
    In 2001, ECW closes its doos
 and two years later            

940
00:39:03,641 --> 00:39:07,211
   its assets are sold to Vince 
  McMahon's WWE.                

941
00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:10,848
Giving The Sandman one last shot
in the spotlight                

942
00:39:10,881 --> 00:39:12,216
   as the brand is re-launched. 

943
00:39:12,283 --> 00:39:14,518
   What's that smell?           

944
00:39:14,552 --> 00:39:17,388
Sandman's character was         
 kind of watered down,          

945
00:39:17,455 --> 00:39:20,057
 you know, no cigarette         
   smoking, no beer.            

946
00:39:20,124 --> 00:39:21,959
  Drinking on the job?          

947
00:39:21,992 --> 00:39:24,362
 What the hell is this?         

948
00:39:24,395 --> 00:39:26,897
  Society had changed,          
and so he wasn't                

949
00:39:26,964 --> 00:39:28,666
used as well as                 
   he could've been.            

950
00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:30,468
  The zombie!                   

951
00:39:30,501 --> 00:39:31,702
 That's not the                 
ECW that I know,                

952
00:39:31,736 --> 00:39:33,804
  that's not the ECW            
  that the fans know.           

953
00:39:33,838 --> 00:39:36,674
 A lot of the original          
   ECW fans                     

954
00:39:36,707 --> 00:39:41,379
 want to forget                 
about that time.                

955
00:39:41,412 --> 00:39:43,848
    Sandman's time in           
    the WWE is brief,           

956
00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:46,217
   and un-remarkable.           

957
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:48,152
And though his wrestling career 
   is largely over,             

958
00:39:48,185 --> 00:39:50,755
   his trouble with addiction   
   continue.                    

959
00:39:51,088 --> 00:39:52,590
  I got a phone call.           

960
00:39:52,656 --> 00:39:55,393
"Dad just got arrested,         
 he's going to jail."           

961
00:39:55,426 --> 00:39:58,896
  Like I was at work.           
 I'm like, "For what?"          

962
00:39:58,929 --> 00:40:01,265
 So, me and my brother          
   packed our shit,             

963
00:40:01,332 --> 00:40:02,833
 drove up to New York.          

964
00:40:02,867 --> 00:40:05,369
   How am I going to            
 find a freakin lawyer?         

965
00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:06,904
 I don't even                   
   know what he did.            

966
00:40:06,937 --> 00:40:09,240
  Like, I'm in                  
   Yonkers, New York.           

967
00:40:09,273 --> 00:40:11,242
I'd watched him wrestle         
  for how many years?           

968
00:40:11,275 --> 00:40:12,510
  He walked into this           
 courtroom looking like         

969
00:40:12,543 --> 00:40:14,378
   he just got put through a    
   washing machine.             

970
00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:16,247
  He, like, physically          
  looked hurt.                  

971
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,616
  And I was just like,          
"What happened?"                

972
00:40:18,682 --> 00:40:22,019
   30 Long Island iced teas,    
 that's what happened.          

973
00:40:22,052 --> 00:40:24,288
  [Slurring] Alright,           
   everybody here's thinking,   

974
00:40:24,355 --> 00:40:26,891
"You know what?                 
   This guy's drunk."           

975
00:40:26,924 --> 00:40:29,560
 You're right!                  

976
00:40:29,593 --> 00:40:31,228
Got in a fight                  
with the owner.                 

977
00:40:31,262 --> 00:40:33,464
  So, he threw a bottle at me,  
  hit me in the head.           

978
00:40:33,531 --> 00:40:35,599
 I chased him                   
   into the kitchen,            

979
00:40:35,633 --> 00:40:37,568
broke a bunch of                
  shit in the kitchen,          

980
00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:41,138
   then the SWAT team           
 came and took me away.         

981
00:40:41,205 --> 00:40:43,040
  Basically had to go through   
   the court system.            

982
00:40:43,073 --> 00:40:45,309
   They finally set his bail.   

983
00:40:45,376 --> 00:40:47,411
  So I remember calling this    
  bank and I'm like, "Listen,   

984
00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:51,081
   I need you to authorize a    
  $10,000 from ATMs."           

985
00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:52,950
 And she's like, "Well,         
 there's only gonna be          

986
00:40:52,983 --> 00:40:55,820
  like a $2000                  
 limit per each ATM and         

987
00:40:55,886 --> 00:40:57,221
  that's just                   
the ATM itself."                

988
00:40:57,254 --> 00:40:59,223
Like you're only allowed        
to take so much.                

989
00:40:59,256 --> 00:41:02,226
  So here I am bouncing around  
'til I got to ten grand.        

990
00:41:02,259 --> 00:41:05,496
  So I would be on the phone    
  with them at an ATM 'cause,   

991
00:41:05,563 --> 00:41:07,331
you know, you see these         
  kids getting money            

992
00:41:07,398 --> 00:41:09,733
out of an ATM,                  
 they're gonna rob ya.          

993
00:41:09,767 --> 00:41:11,635
 And finally we're able         
   to give them bail            

994
00:41:11,669 --> 00:41:12,970
  about like,                   
 three, four...                 

995
00:41:13,003 --> 00:41:14,305
  something in                  
  the morning.                  

996
00:41:14,338 --> 00:41:16,774
I remember walking into         
  this, like, huge...           

997
00:41:16,807 --> 00:41:20,644
prison and like,                
 giving them this money         

998
00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:22,680
   and like,                    
   out comes my dad.            

999
00:41:22,746 --> 00:41:24,915
And I was like, "Get the        
fuck in the fucking car         

1000
00:41:24,949 --> 00:41:27,284
   we're fucking going home.    
   I can't fucking believe."    

1001
00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:31,021
  And like, of course,          
   of course.                   

1002
00:41:31,088 --> 00:41:33,691
 Like, this is my life.         

1003
00:41:33,757 --> 00:41:35,426
 No kid should                  
have to do that.                

1004
00:41:35,459 --> 00:41:38,329
   It was your life.            
 You lived it.                  

1005
00:41:38,362 --> 00:41:41,999
  You just, you don't know how  
  horrible it is until later.   

1006
00:41:42,032 --> 00:41:45,302
  Or how horrible you           
 might have made it for         

1007
00:41:45,336 --> 00:41:47,671
 other people that you,         
 that you love.                 

1008
00:41:47,705 --> 00:41:50,474
   ♪                            

1009
00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:54,278
Deep down, he realizes          
he's done a lot of bad,         

1010
00:41:54,311 --> 00:41:58,182
  and that maybe this           
  is his redemption?            

1011
00:41:58,215 --> 00:42:02,987
  I would like for him          
  to accept what was,           

1012
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:07,558
  accept what he has,           
 and move on from here.         

1013
00:42:07,625 --> 00:42:11,362
   But I think it's gonna be    
 kind of cleansing for          

1014
00:42:11,395 --> 00:42:14,698
   all of us,                   
 and hopefully himself,         

1015
00:42:14,732 --> 00:42:19,670
 to just... let it go.          

1016
00:42:19,703 --> 00:42:22,373
  I don't know. I'm an          
  idiot, I, dude, I...          

1017
00:42:22,406 --> 00:42:25,543
   I've been so self            
-sabotaging in my life.         

1018
00:42:25,576 --> 00:42:29,980
 It's like, there's been a lot  
 of just, personal destruction. 

1019
00:42:30,014 --> 00:42:32,516
  And now it hits me a little   
 bit different because          

1020
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:36,220
I'm older and you think         
  about that stupid shit that   

1021
00:42:36,253 --> 00:42:38,389
you've done that kind of        
  changes everything,           

1022
00:42:38,422 --> 00:42:39,757
 you know what I mean?          

1023
00:42:39,823 --> 00:42:42,226
So, there's a different         
  perspective in my head now.   

1024
00:42:42,259 --> 00:42:44,595
 I want him to realize,         
   no matter how bad            

1025
00:42:44,662 --> 00:42:46,997
 things were at times,          

1026
00:42:47,031 --> 00:42:49,900
including family life,          
  that where he came from and   

1027
00:42:49,934 --> 00:42:52,570
 what he did was a lot          
   of hard work and,            

1028
00:42:52,603 --> 00:42:54,104
   you know,                    
accomplishment.                 

1029
00:42:54,171 --> 00:42:56,941
 Was a perfect by any           
  stretch of the imagination?   

1030
00:42:57,007 --> 00:42:58,776
No. He's made a                 
lot of mistakes,                

1031
00:42:58,842 --> 00:43:00,210
  and he'll be the one          
  to tell you.                  

1032
00:43:00,244 --> 00:43:03,280
  But, he's self-made           
   and it's okay to-            

1033
00:43:03,347 --> 00:43:04,915
  [Chuckling]                   
 it's okay to say that.         

1034
00:43:04,949 --> 00:43:06,517
   He lived his life's dream.   

1035
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:08,719
 There always has to be         
  an end for everyone.          

1036
00:43:08,752 --> 00:43:11,221
   There always has to be an    
end to what you can do.         

1037
00:43:11,255 --> 00:43:12,590
  And you've done it.           

1038
00:43:12,623 --> 00:43:14,725
   A lot of people can't say    
that they've done that.         

1039
00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:17,962
  He can still be The Sandman,  
he still is The Sandman.        

1040
00:43:18,028 --> 00:43:19,530
   There will never             
  be another Sandman.           

1041
00:43:19,563 --> 00:43:22,066
   I, I really just wish that   
he would understand that        

1042
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:23,601
what happened happened,         

1043
00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:27,404
  and he can                    
 move forward.                  

1044
00:43:27,438 --> 00:43:30,641
  Sandman is an icon.           

1045
00:43:30,708 --> 00:43:32,409
Poster boy for hardcore.        

1046
00:43:32,443 --> 00:43:35,913
   People loved The Sandman.    

1047
00:43:35,946 --> 00:43:38,282
I am the hardcore icon.         

1048
00:43:38,315 --> 00:43:41,251
   I mean, who else is gonna    
 drink beer, smoke cigarettes,  

1049
00:43:41,285 --> 00:43:44,588
  swing a cane, wear            
sweatpants to the ring,         

1050
00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,657
   t-shirt,                     
 and get over?                  

1051
00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:52,429
  The first person to           
   do a lot of shit.            

1052
00:43:52,463 --> 00:43:54,732
  You know, the first person    
  to bleed before he got into   

1053
00:43:54,765 --> 00:43:57,468
   the ring, the first person   
   to come out of the crowd.    

1054
00:43:57,501 --> 00:43:59,303
 You know what I mean?          
  Smoke a cigarette.            

1055
00:43:59,336 --> 00:44:02,806
   I am the king of extreme!    

1056
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,642
   [Cheering]                   

1057
00:44:04,675 --> 00:44:06,777
Smoking, drinking, yeah!        

1058
00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:09,179
 Cool.                          

1059
00:44:09,246 --> 00:44:11,582
   No wonder why I'm fucking    
fucked up in the head.