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♪

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When people say,

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"What's the roughest match
you ever saw?"

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[Crowd] Oh!

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That's the one,
that's... man.

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If I could describe
that match in one word...

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- [screaming]
- Oh!

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It was real.

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It was
shocking at times.

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It's personal.

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It was unbelievable.

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<i>[Narrator] One of the most
brutal wrestling matches ever</i>

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<i>took place far from
the big leagues.</i>

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This wasn't on
national television.

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This was in Philadelphia,
in the arena.

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<i>[Narrator] It happened on
the independent wrestling</i>

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<i>circuit in the
early 2000s.</i>

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They were two guys
at the tops of

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their own mountains.

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Samoa Joe was
carrying the flag

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of pro wrestling.

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Undeniably a world
champion level talent.

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I'm Samoa fucking Joe.

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I know how to whip
somebody's ass.

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And then you had
Necro Butcher, man...

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who was king of
the deathmatches.

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Necro Butcher was
the wild-eyed monster

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of deathmatch wrestling.

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When he'd just
punch the guy in the face,

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the fans heard
the punch connect.

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<i>[Announcer] Oh!</i>

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Necro would just
plain kick your head in.

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He was also in this movie
called The Wrestler.

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There's a fine line
between madness and genius,

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and that was Necro.

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[Necro] The mainstream
wrestlers,

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they thought I was
beneath them.

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So, when I got
Samoa Joe to fight me,

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I wanted to show the
world what I could do.

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<i>[Narrator]
For Necro Butcher,</i>

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<i>it was an opportunity
for redemption.</i>

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This match
had an air of danger.

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This is not fake.

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They just beat the
shit out of each other.

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The energy
was like, you know,

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somebody's gonna
die tonight.

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<i>[Announcer] Holy!</i>

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<i>[Narrator] Decades later,
those who were there</i>

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<i>reflect on
the legacy...</i>

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Oh, my God!

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<i>[Narrator] ...of one of the
most violent matches</i>

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<i>of all time.</i>

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This is a fight,
but it got pretty crazy.

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Forearms.
Suplexes. Punches.

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Chairs thrown.
Power bombs.

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<i>[Announcer] Holy shit!</i>

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This is
fucking nuts.

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[Necro] That was the
breakthrough moment

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for deathmatch wrestling.

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Whatever he was going to
do to me would not stop me.

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♪

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[Crowd chanting]
Holy shit! Holy shit!

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♪

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[Necro] The world's a
dark place sometimes.

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The world can be
really mean.

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I've had so many horrible
things happen to me

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when I was young.

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And wrestling
became my escape.

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It was a false reality.

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A place where no one
can hurt me.

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You know, that's why
I get into wrestling.

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Maybe I could be
somebody else's escape.

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[Crowd] Holy shit!
What the fuck?

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[Necro] But I wanted to
make it more believable.

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[Announcer]
[indistinct shouting]

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[Necro] I take incredible
amounts of punishment...

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[Announcer] Oh!

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[Necro] Because the
more believable that is,

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the more they're
going to get into it.

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<i>[Announcer]
Someone call 911!</i>

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You know, and forget
about what's bothering them.

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My name is
Dylan Summers.

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But you probably
know me better as

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the "Necro Butcher".

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[Crowd] [Chanting]
Necro! Necro!

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[Dylan] I got into
deathmatch wrestling

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because I wanted
to test myself,

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and I saw the guys in
the main event

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doing deathmatches,
and I said, alright,

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I want to be in
the main event,

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so that's what
I have to do.

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- Agh!
- Oh!

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A deathmatch is
death defying wrestling.

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My name is Dave Prazak,
and I was one of the

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commentators for
Necro Butcher

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versus Samoa Joe.

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Necro Butcher developed a
reputation as one of the

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very best at the deathmatch
style of wrestling.

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He was very reminiscent of
someone like a Bruiser Brody,

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with the crazy hair,
a wild demeanor.

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You never knew what he
was going to do next.

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<i>[Announcer]
He's got barbed wire</i>

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<i>wrapped around his fists!</i>

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I've seen that guy do
things to his body

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that I couldn't
ask a man to do.

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Glass, thumbtacks...

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<i>[Announcer] Oh!</i>

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Mousetraps.

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Fluorescent light tubes.

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Anything that
might cut you.

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<i>[Announcer] Jesus!</i>

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Night after night,
he volunteers himself

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and he will
always be the

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king of the death
matches to me.

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- That hurt, man.
- Jesus!

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I'm Mad Man Pondo.

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Me and Necro, we wrestled
each other for years and

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always left a statement
anywhere that we went.

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<i>[Announcer]
No, he's not!</i>

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[Dylan] I want people
to believe

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they're watching a
physical confrontation.

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- Agh!
- Oh!

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[Dylan] That psychology
comes from a very real place.

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<i>[Narrator] As a child growing
up in rural West Virginia,</i>

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<i>Dylan Summers
excelled in school,</i>

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<i>setting him apart
from those around him.</i>

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[Dylan] West Virginia
isn't exactly known

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for academic excellence,

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so I'd face the
wrath of my schoolmates.

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That was like a daily
thing when I was in school.

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If I had a bad day
in school,

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I was going to
watch wrestling

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with my dad on
the weekends.

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You know, that's what
I looked forward to.

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My dad was my
best friend.

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And then I woke up
one morning and

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my mother said
there was a fire.

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[Dylan] My father
was burned up.

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So...

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you know, didn't even get,
didn't even get to

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see him at the funeral.

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Had a
closed casket.

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I just really dove deeply
into wrestling because

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it's something
I did with him.

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After that, I was by
myself all the time.

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It was super tough.

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Through my entire
school years,

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bullying is not the word,
like it was way worse.

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I mean, punched, kicked,
knock you down stairs.

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I couldn't tell you
how many times

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my head was in toilets
in high school.

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You know, and I just
learned to flip that switch.

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You know, I'd just act
like I was fine,

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and I just didn't want to
let them know

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they were hurting me.

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That's why
sometimes I can take

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incredible amounts
of punishment.

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When I flick that switch,
you can't hurt me.

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You can't hurt me.

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No matter what you do,
you can't hurt me.

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[shouting & screaming]

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[Dylan] And once I showed
'em what I could do,

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I was the main event
to stay.

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[Crowd] [Chanting]
Necro! Necro!

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[Eddie] Necro Butcher, man,
my dude was

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carrying the flag for
deathmatch wrestling.

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I'm Eddie Kingston,
pro wrestler,

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and I was there
when Necro and Joe

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decided to go at it.

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In the early 2000s,

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there was one
company, folks...

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WWE.

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[Announcer] Here's how
we're kicking it off!

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[Eddie] That's on TV.

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Then you got guys over here
killing themselves

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doing independent
wrestling.

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We wanted to show we're
different from WWE.

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Doing it our way.

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<i>[Narrator] Dissatisfied with
mainstream wrestling</i>

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<i>on TV,</i>

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<i>hardcore fans flock
to the independents...</i>

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<i>where performers
push the limits.</i>

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[Eddie] Almost
every company,

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there was some type of
deathmatch in it.

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<i>-Oh!
- That is not right.</i>

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[Eddie] But some people
considered it

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garbage wrestling.

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Then Ring of Honor
came out.

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You know, hold for hold,
hard hitting, all that stuff.

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The Ring of Honor
set a standard for

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independent wrestling with
guys like Homicide,

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Low Ki,
Bryan Danielson,

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Christopher Daniels,
CM Punk.

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Then you had Samoa Joe,

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who was carrying the flag
of pro wrestling.

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<i>[Announcer]
Samoa... Joe!</i>

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<i>[Narrator] Although
Samoa Joe is a top star today,</i>

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<i>in 2005, he was
still making his name</i>

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<i>on the indie scene.</i>

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There was never a
doubt in my mind that

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I was one of the best
wrestlers in the world.

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Once that curtain
brushes past my face,

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and we're out there
in front of the crowd,

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the switch is turned and
we're ready to go.

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Agh!

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My name is Nuufolau
Joel Seanoa.

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And I'm one half of
the war that was...

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Joe versus Necro.

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My whole life is pretty
much been on stage

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with my family's
Polynesian show.

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I probably did 2 or 3 world
tours before I ever

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stepped foot in
a wrestling ring.

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You know, it definitely
prepared me for this career.

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In entertainment,
you need your hook.

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And, at my core,
my style is...

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walk you down,
smash you in the face.

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- Ah!
- Oh!

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[Nuufolau] The Ring
Of Honor, at the time,

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I had
become champion.

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I've had a two-year run
with the

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heavyweight championship,
and the rest is history.

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- [grunting]
- Oh!

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[Dylan] At the time,
I was a consistent

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main eventer doing
deathmatches. I said,

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"Alright, now what?"
And I wanted to test myself

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against the best
in the business.

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But, what had gotten
to me was that

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he didn't want
no part of that.

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<i>[Narrator] At the time,
Ring Of Honor wrestlers</i>

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<i>had a reputation
for dismissing</i>

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<i>the deathmatch style.</i>

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<i>So crossovers were rare.</i>

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[Nuufolau] I always
saw this with a lot of

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deathmatch wrestlers,
they always felt like

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they were kind
of looked down upon.

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The truth of it is,
you know,

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guys in ROH,
we had our style.

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You know, we had what
we were proud of,

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what we were doing.

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It's a very
different world.

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I mean, me personally,
you know,

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I'm down to
wrestle whoever.

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That's never been
an issue for me.

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But as far as, like,
wrestling Necro Butcher,

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you know, it was never
brought up to me

247
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or ever brought
up ever.

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♪

249
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[Nuufolau] I think the fans
probably have more

250
00:09:21,770 --> 00:09:24,980
to do with this than
anything else.

251
00:09:24,981 --> 00:09:27,108
[Rob] Before social media,
we had message boards

252
00:09:27,233 --> 00:09:30,778
where super hardcore nerdy
fans like me would go,

253
00:09:30,779 --> 00:09:31,945
and they would just
talk to each other and

254
00:09:31,946 --> 00:09:33,448
talk about matches
they've seen.

255
00:09:33,573 --> 00:09:35,450
If you went to the
Ring of Honor board,

256
00:09:35,575 --> 00:09:36,993
it was a little bit like
noses up in the air,

257
00:09:37,118 --> 00:09:39,454
like all of the
wrestling was beneath it.

258
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My name is
Rob Naylor,

259
00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:43,792
and I worked at places
like CZW and

260
00:09:43,917 --> 00:09:46,753
NXT and FCW, and I
at the time went on

261
00:09:46,878 --> 00:09:48,295
the Ring of Honor
message board,

262
00:09:48,296 --> 00:09:50,005
and I was like,
"I want to see

263
00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:53,968
Samoa Joe wrestle Necro!"
And then, oh my God,

264
00:09:54,094 --> 00:09:56,845
the barrage of other angry
other wrestling fans.

265
00:09:56,846 --> 00:09:58,639
"You're an idiot!
He sucks!"

266
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They just didn't want big
bad Necro Butcher to

267
00:10:00,558 --> 00:10:03,352
sully their wonderful
organization.

268
00:10:03,353 --> 00:10:05,312
But then,

269
00:10:05,313 --> 00:10:07,690
there was an
incident at Chikara!

270
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[Announcer] Good evening,
ladies and gentlemen,

271
00:10:09,234 --> 00:10:12,319
and welcome
to Chikara!

272
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<i>[Narrator] Stepping out
of the hardcore scene,</i>

273
00:10:14,489 --> 00:10:16,616
<i>Necro Butcher and
Mad Man Pondo</i>

274
00:10:16,741 --> 00:10:19,619
<i>enter a family friendly
tag team tournament,</i>

275
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<i>putting Necro on a
collision course</i>

276
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<i>with Samoa Joe.</i>

277
00:10:23,331 --> 00:10:25,833
[Rob] Chikara was,
bring Grandma,

278
00:10:25,834 --> 00:10:27,334
bring the kids,
you're gonna have

279
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a fun time watching
the wrestling,

280
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in this lovely,
little cafeteria.

281
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[Dylan] It might have
been a bit weird on paper.

282
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But I could not say no
because that was

283
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my only source
of income.

284
00:10:39,431 --> 00:10:40,807
I didn't care who
these guys were.

285
00:10:40,932 --> 00:10:42,641
I was just gonna
beat their ass.

286
00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:44,185
It just so happened
that two of them were

287
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Ring of Honor students.

288
00:10:45,311 --> 00:10:48,772
[Announcer] Matt Turner
and Anthony Franco!

289
00:10:48,773 --> 00:10:50,482
[Rob] Ring Of Honor didn't
want to send someone

290
00:10:50,483 --> 00:10:51,651
they were gonna beat.

291
00:10:51,776 --> 00:10:53,319
They just sent a couple
of their students.

292
00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,821
[Anthony] I was nervous
'cause I didn't really know

293
00:10:54,946 --> 00:10:56,905
who Necro Butcher was,
and he's like,

294
00:10:56,906 --> 00:10:59,701
"We'll just go out there
and we'll just brawl."

295
00:10:59,826 --> 00:11:02,327
I didn't really learn
that in, in school.

296
00:11:02,328 --> 00:11:03,162
Tonight,
it's gonna be

297
00:11:03,163 --> 00:11:05,372
nothing but curtains
for you two.

298
00:11:05,373 --> 00:11:07,082
[Andrew] We were definitely
a little nervous,

299
00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:09,710
but we figured, hey,
we got this, we got this.

300
00:11:09,711 --> 00:11:11,671
Boy howdy,
we were wrong, buddy.

301
00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:14,089
[Mad Man] Agh!

302
00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:15,424
<i>[Announcer] Not even waiting
for the ring introductions</i>

303
00:11:15,425 --> 00:11:16,550
<i>to make them bleed.</i>

304
00:11:16,551 --> 00:11:18,177
[Dylan] You had to try to
make a believable match with

305
00:11:18,178 --> 00:11:19,845
someone who doesn't
know what they're doing.

306
00:11:19,846 --> 00:11:20,929
Agh!

307
00:11:20,930 --> 00:11:22,349
[Dylan] And when they start
stinking the place up,

308
00:11:22,474 --> 00:11:23,891
I'm just gonna
beat their ass.

309
00:11:23,892 --> 00:11:25,934
[Anthony] Oh!
[Announcer] Oh-ho!

310
00:11:25,935 --> 00:11:27,729
[Dylan] I do what I do
because this is my job

311
00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:29,731
and I need the money.

312
00:11:29,856 --> 00:11:32,274
What package are you
offering to promoters?

313
00:11:32,275 --> 00:11:34,402
You have to offer
something different.

314
00:11:34,527 --> 00:11:36,070
I think I'm pretty
darn different.

315
00:11:36,071 --> 00:11:37,613
- Oh!
- I can hear the thud!

316
00:11:37,614 --> 00:11:40,741
[Eddie] Some people were very
concerned and believed that

317
00:11:40,742 --> 00:11:43,952
Pondo and Necro took
advantage of the students.

318
00:11:43,953 --> 00:11:45,954
The Ring of Honor board,
forget about it.

319
00:11:45,955 --> 00:11:47,081
They were really mad
at Necro Butcher.

320
00:11:47,082 --> 00:11:49,333
It was only another reason
for them not to like him.

321
00:11:49,334 --> 00:11:51,502
'Cause it was just like,
"How dare he?" you know?

322
00:11:51,503 --> 00:11:54,296
"That's breaking
the code."

323
00:11:54,297 --> 00:11:55,964
"Oh, he's unsafe."

324
00:11:55,965 --> 00:11:58,760
<i>[Announcer] Goes for a
suplex off the apron!</i>

325
00:11:58,885 --> 00:12:00,637
[Rob] "He's reckless."

326
00:12:00,762 --> 00:12:03,138
[Anthony] Chikara, you don't
really do that stuff.

327
00:12:03,139 --> 00:12:05,307
[Dylan] Who cares?
[laughing]

328
00:12:05,308 --> 00:12:06,601
♪

329
00:12:06,726 --> 00:12:08,185
<i>[Announcer]
Gets his head taken off!</i>

330
00:12:08,186 --> 00:12:09,645
[Dylan] I think people
found it entertaining.

331
00:12:09,646 --> 00:12:11,271
That's what I do.

332
00:12:11,272 --> 00:12:13,942
I beat people up in an
entertaining manner.

333
00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:15,567
[Andrew] He was knocked
out from the clothesline.

334
00:12:15,568 --> 00:12:17,111
I got knocked out
twice in the match.

335
00:12:17,112 --> 00:12:18,654
His chest looks
like hamburger meat.

336
00:12:18,655 --> 00:12:19,989
I have no idea
where I'm at.

337
00:12:19,990 --> 00:12:22,409
It was just survival.

338
00:12:22,534 --> 00:12:24,076
[Anthony] Yeah,
it was a little rough.

339
00:12:24,077 --> 00:12:25,620
[Andrew] Yeah.

340
00:12:25,745 --> 00:12:27,747
[Dylan] Turns out I
got the last laugh.

341
00:12:27,872 --> 00:12:31,084
That's how I got Samoa Joe
to fight me, you know.

342
00:12:31,209 --> 00:12:33,628
[Eddie] After the match,
message boards

343
00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:36,130
had their little
rumor mills going.

344
00:12:36,131 --> 00:12:38,633
The rumor was that
Joe was not happy.

345
00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:40,926
[Dave] Because Joe was
one of their mentors

346
00:12:40,927 --> 00:12:42,595
coming out of
Ring of Honor,

347
00:12:42,721 --> 00:12:44,597
and I think he may
have felt ROH was

348
00:12:44,723 --> 00:12:46,599
disrespected
by these guys.

349
00:12:46,725 --> 00:12:49,644
And it perfectly set the
stage for Joe to

350
00:12:49,769 --> 00:12:51,896
face Necro to get
some revenge.

351
00:12:52,022 --> 00:12:53,773
<i>[Announcer] Getting a
standing ovation!</i>

352
00:12:53,898 --> 00:12:55,566
[Rob] The fans bought
into it and they're like,

353
00:12:55,567 --> 00:12:57,609
all right, like, he's going
to get dealt some justice

354
00:12:57,610 --> 00:12:59,486
via Samoa Joe.

355
00:12:59,487 --> 00:13:02,197
<i>[Narrator] As discussion
on the internet heats up,</i>

356
00:13:02,198 --> 00:13:04,659
<i>promoter Ian Rotten
sees an opportunity.</i>

357
00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:06,243
[Ian] Ian Rotten here,
owner,

358
00:13:06,244 --> 00:13:09,163
promoter of IWA
Mid-South Wrestling.

359
00:13:09,164 --> 00:13:11,331
[Dave] As an independent
wrestling promoter,

360
00:13:11,332 --> 00:13:13,917
Ian Rotten had to come up
with unique matches.

361
00:13:13,918 --> 00:13:17,004
There is no television
program to try to really

362
00:13:17,005 --> 00:13:19,548
build a story, you have
to use the internet.

363
00:13:19,549 --> 00:13:22,843
And Ian Rotten was gearing
up for his first event

364
00:13:22,844 --> 00:13:25,847
in Philadelphia at
the old ECW arena,

365
00:13:25,972 --> 00:13:29,933
and he needed a big
match to fill the seats.

366
00:13:29,934 --> 00:13:31,853
<i>[Narrator] The match
that had long seemed</i>

367
00:13:31,978 --> 00:13:34,897
<i>impossible suddenly
became inevitable.</i>

368
00:13:34,898 --> 00:13:36,690
<i>After the Chikara incident,</i>

369
00:13:36,691 --> 00:13:38,193
<i>Necro Butcher and Samoa Joe</i>

370
00:13:38,318 --> 00:13:41,237
<i>signed with Ian Rotten
and the match is set.</i>

371
00:13:42,864 --> 00:13:46,325
[Eddie] This was the first
time that I remember that

372
00:13:46,326 --> 00:13:48,952
this legit went down between
a deathmatch wrestler

373
00:13:48,953 --> 00:13:50,913
and a pure
pro wrestler.

374
00:13:50,914 --> 00:13:52,666
Here we go.

375
00:13:52,791 --> 00:13:54,834
[Dylan] For one night
in Philadelphia,

376
00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:57,544
I'm gonna have the fight
of my life against

377
00:13:57,545 --> 00:13:59,546
the baddest dude
of all time.

378
00:13:59,547 --> 00:14:01,674
I have a chance
to show the world

379
00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,926
a deathmatch wrestler
could compete with

380
00:14:03,927 --> 00:14:05,511
the biggest, baddest
in the world.

381
00:14:05,512 --> 00:14:07,012
<i>[Announcer]
Face to face!</i>

382
00:14:07,013 --> 00:14:08,764
[Dylan] Which is all
I wanted all along.

383
00:14:08,765 --> 00:14:10,183
<i>[Announcer]
Here we go!</i>

384
00:14:15,105 --> 00:14:18,607
<i>[Narrator] With Necro Butcher
versus Samoa Joe set,</i>

385
00:14:18,608 --> 00:14:21,986
<i>Joe takes to the mic to
go after his opponent.</i>

386
00:14:32,539 --> 00:14:34,124
[Dylan] I don't agree
with being called a bully.

387
00:14:42,549 --> 00:14:44,425
[Mad Man] You have
no idea how

388
00:14:44,426 --> 00:14:47,636
intense Necro was
about that promo.

389
00:14:47,637 --> 00:14:49,805
He would recite
sentences to me

390
00:14:49,806 --> 00:14:52,141
about that
promo every day.

391
00:14:52,142 --> 00:14:54,394
That affected Necro.

392
00:14:58,398 --> 00:15:00,191
[Dylan] I thought
to myself, wow,

393
00:15:00,317 --> 00:15:02,651
so he thinks I'm not good
enough to be there with him.

394
00:15:02,652 --> 00:15:04,237
Okay, fine,
I got this.

395
00:15:04,362 --> 00:15:06,698
And now is my chance
to make a statement.

396
00:15:08,992 --> 00:15:10,075
[cheering]

397
00:15:10,076 --> 00:15:11,703
<i>[Announcer] Making
reference to Necro Butcher!</i>

398
00:15:11,828 --> 00:15:13,871
[cheering &
applauding]

399
00:15:13,872 --> 00:15:16,374
[Nuufolau] So, you know,
dude, can I be honest?

400
00:15:16,958 --> 00:15:19,794
Dude, legitimately, I look
back and I literally

401
00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:23,005
knew nothing about all
these moving pieces

402
00:15:23,006 --> 00:15:23,923
that were a part of it.

403
00:15:24,049 --> 00:15:25,674
Like, yeah, I never
trained a kid at

404
00:15:25,675 --> 00:15:27,761
ROH's school a
day in my life.

405
00:15:27,886 --> 00:15:30,846
Like I never
watched the match.

406
00:15:30,847 --> 00:15:34,016
It was mentioned to me for
a promo about, "Oh yeah,

407
00:15:34,017 --> 00:15:36,643
he roughed up a couple of
kids at the ROH school

408
00:15:36,644 --> 00:15:37,770
so you're, like,
gonna get revenge.

409
00:15:37,771 --> 00:15:39,314
Are you cool with that?"
I was like, "Yeah, sure."

410
00:15:39,439 --> 00:15:41,483
It's part
of the show, man.

411
00:15:41,608 --> 00:15:43,776
But, the more I hear
and the more I realize,

412
00:15:43,777 --> 00:15:45,820
old Ian Rotten may have
been telling people

413
00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:47,364
a lot of different tales,
trying to get

414
00:15:47,489 --> 00:15:49,449
certain reactions
out of that.

415
00:15:49,574 --> 00:15:51,200
[Dylan] Well, I mean,
there was gossip.

416
00:15:51,201 --> 00:15:52,534
You weren't talented.

417
00:15:52,535 --> 00:15:54,329
You were doing something
that was beneath them.

418
00:15:54,454 --> 00:15:55,829
I don't know if it
was true or not.

419
00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:57,873
I said, "A lot of people are
gonna watch this."

420
00:15:57,874 --> 00:16:00,376
So I just knew I had to show
them what I could do

421
00:16:00,377 --> 00:16:02,671
so they did not deny me
any longer.

422
00:16:02,796 --> 00:16:05,464
♪

423
00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:06,924
[Nuufolau] For me
personally, my wife,

424
00:16:06,925 --> 00:16:09,676
then girlfriend at the time,
she lived close to Philly.

425
00:16:09,677 --> 00:16:12,596
So like I had literally
took the booking...

426
00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,474
because I was trying
to get some ass.

427
00:16:14,599 --> 00:16:17,060
[Laughing]

428
00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:21,146
We were definitely
different mindsets,

429
00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:22,564
walking into this match.

430
00:16:22,565 --> 00:16:24,359
Until I got to
the arena, then,

431
00:16:24,484 --> 00:16:27,528
I realized it was
something different.

432
00:16:27,529 --> 00:16:30,198
<i>[Narrator]
On June 11th, 2005,</i>

433
00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:32,492
<i>hundreds packed
the ECW Arena</i>

434
00:16:32,617 --> 00:16:34,703
<i>expecting a bloodbath.</i>

435
00:16:34,828 --> 00:16:38,080
This is IWA
Mid-South wrestling.

436
00:16:38,081 --> 00:16:39,874
[Nuufolau] As I get
to the building...

437
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,084
you know, the boys
are standing outside.

438
00:16:42,085 --> 00:16:43,919
And I'm just like,
"What's up, fellas?"

439
00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,380
And then they go,
"Yo, what's up, man?

440
00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:46,714
I've been waiting for this."
And I'm like,

441
00:16:46,715 --> 00:16:48,757
"Alright, you know, cool,
homie." You know,

442
00:16:48,758 --> 00:16:51,176
what the fuck is going
on here, man, like...?

443
00:16:51,177 --> 00:16:53,554
[Dylan] I had just
come back from Japan,

444
00:16:53,555 --> 00:16:56,182
having flown all night, drinking.

445
00:16:56,307 --> 00:16:58,351
[Laughing]
I'm gonna sober up.

446
00:16:58,476 --> 00:17:00,227
I'm gonna get in my
'72 Ford pick-up and

447
00:17:00,228 --> 00:17:02,522
drive to Philadelphia and
fight Samoa Joe.

448
00:17:02,647 --> 00:17:05,734
I had arrived within
an hour of showtime.

449
00:17:05,859 --> 00:17:08,736
Went down to my little
secluded spot and,

450
00:17:08,737 --> 00:17:10,905
just waited my turn.

451
00:17:11,031 --> 00:17:12,531
[Bryce] Typically in
a pro wrestling match,

452
00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:14,450
a referee will check
in with opponents.

453
00:17:14,451 --> 00:17:15,909
"What is the
planned finish?

454
00:17:15,910 --> 00:17:17,037
Is there anything I need
to know about?"

455
00:17:17,162 --> 00:17:18,912
There was none of
that on this day.

456
00:17:18,913 --> 00:17:22,291
My name is Bryce Remsburg,
and I was the referee for

457
00:17:22,292 --> 00:17:25,920
the infamous Samoa Joe
- Necro Butcher match.

458
00:17:26,046 --> 00:17:27,713
The conversation that
I might have had with the

459
00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:29,924
two of them was definitely
shorter than 30 seconds.

460
00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:31,925
[Dylan] My mind was
made up beforehand.

461
00:17:31,926 --> 00:17:34,554
Whatever he was going to
do to me would not stop me.

462
00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:36,764
Not in that building,
not on that night.

463
00:17:36,765 --> 00:17:38,474
[Nuufolau] I know what
I'm going there for.

464
00:17:38,475 --> 00:17:39,641
I'm gonna get cracked.

465
00:17:39,642 --> 00:17:42,144
He's gonna get cracked,
and it's gonna be a brawl.

466
00:17:42,145 --> 00:17:44,773
[Dave] Everyone in the locker
room had the same questions

467
00:17:44,898 --> 00:17:46,565
as the wrestling fans
did about,

468
00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:47,900
do they really
hate each other?

469
00:17:47,901 --> 00:17:49,652
Is this going to turn
into a real fight?

470
00:17:49,653 --> 00:17:51,820
What's going to happen?

471
00:17:51,821 --> 00:17:54,449
[Nuufolau] All that shit went
into creating an atmosphere

472
00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:55,908
and a vibe
where it was like,

473
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:57,826
somebody's
going to die tonight.

474
00:17:57,827 --> 00:18:00,080
<i>[Announcer] And we
are ready for a</i>

475
00:18:00,205 --> 00:18:01,914
<i>long-awaited match up.</i>

476
00:18:01,915 --> 00:18:03,416
[Bryce] I recall being
in the ring before

477
00:18:03,541 --> 00:18:04,541
the match started,
looking up

478
00:18:04,542 --> 00:18:05,959
and seeing pretty much
the whole locker room

479
00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,961
lined up around
the commentary table.

480
00:18:07,962 --> 00:18:10,298
[Dave] I did commentary
with Eddie Kingston

481
00:18:10,423 --> 00:18:11,673
and CM Punk.

482
00:18:11,674 --> 00:18:13,425
We weren't doing
professional commentary

483
00:18:13,426 --> 00:18:15,010
by any means.

484
00:18:15,011 --> 00:18:17,263
It was just us reacting
to the spectacle

485
00:18:17,389 --> 00:18:18,806
that we were seeing.

486
00:18:18,807 --> 00:18:21,267
[Eddie] I walked up with
a hot dog, sat down,

487
00:18:21,393 --> 00:18:22,351
and I said,
"Let's do this."

488
00:18:22,352 --> 00:18:23,519
<i>[Announcer] This is the
match everybody's</i>

489
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,812
<i>been waiting to see!</i>

490
00:18:24,813 --> 00:18:27,815
[Rob] By that point,
everybody was

491
00:18:27,816 --> 00:18:29,692
foaming at the mouth to
see this thing.

492
00:18:29,693 --> 00:18:31,026
[Mad Man] I went up to the
balcony to watch this

493
00:18:31,027 --> 00:18:32,988
and was like,
holy shit,

494
00:18:33,113 --> 00:18:35,030
the whole building
was chanting.

495
00:18:35,031 --> 00:18:37,158
[Crowd] [Chanting]
Joe! Joe! Joe! Joe!

496
00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:38,618
[Nuufolau] Then as I'm kind
of walking around the

497
00:18:38,743 --> 00:18:40,120
ring here,
you started to hear,

498
00:18:40,245 --> 00:18:41,788
"Fuck him up, Joe."

499
00:18:41,913 --> 00:18:43,831
"Necro's gonna
fuck you up."

500
00:18:43,832 --> 00:18:46,501
[Rob] Philadelphia is
just very bloodthirsty.

501
00:18:46,626 --> 00:18:48,336
They wanted to
see violence.

502
00:18:48,461 --> 00:18:49,837
They wanted to see blood,

503
00:18:49,838 --> 00:18:52,881
and they wanted to see
Joe kill Necro Butcher.

504
00:18:52,882 --> 00:18:54,550
<i>[Announcer] There's the man
right there who wears</i>

505
00:18:54,551 --> 00:18:56,301
<i>the shirt that says,
"Choose Death"!</i>

506
00:18:56,302 --> 00:18:58,304
[Eddie] There he is,
look at this. Ha-ha!

507
00:18:58,430 --> 00:19:00,973
[Rob] All the combustible
elements were there.

508
00:19:00,974 --> 00:19:02,976
They were just primed
and ready to just

509
00:19:03,101 --> 00:19:04,644
kick the shit out
of each other.

510
00:19:04,769 --> 00:19:05,979
<i>[Announcer] Face to
face they come!</i>

511
00:19:06,104 --> 00:19:06,980
[Nuufolau] You obviously
know they didn't

512
00:19:07,105 --> 00:19:08,564
come here to see any
goddamn wrestling.

513
00:19:08,565 --> 00:19:09,732
They came here
to see a fight.

514
00:19:09,733 --> 00:19:12,652
Let's let everybody know
what this is really about.

515
00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,988
The easiest way to make
sure everybody knows

516
00:19:15,989 --> 00:19:18,033
it's a no-rules brawl
without announcing it is,

517
00:19:18,158 --> 00:19:19,575
you know,
take the rules and

518
00:19:19,576 --> 00:19:21,036
throw them
over the top rope.

519
00:19:21,161 --> 00:19:23,329
<i>[Announcer] They don't
need a referee!</i>

520
00:19:23,455 --> 00:19:24,873
♪

521
00:19:24,998 --> 00:19:26,541
[Bryce] There was
already, like

522
00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:28,584
a bunch of gunpowder
in the keg.

523
00:19:28,585 --> 00:19:31,171
With no referee,
it's chaos.

524
00:19:31,296 --> 00:19:33,088
[Nuufolau] Now we've got
everybody where we want them

525
00:19:33,089 --> 00:19:34,549
and now we take them
on the journey.

526
00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:35,716
<i>[Announcer]
Here we go!</i>

527
00:19:35,717 --> 00:19:37,926
<i>Break it down
in Philadelphia!</i>

528
00:19:37,927 --> 00:19:39,679
[Dylan] These forearms
were I'm telling this guy

529
00:19:39,804 --> 00:19:42,223
how this match
is gonna go.

530
00:19:42,348 --> 00:19:43,932
[Nuufolau] He wanted to
establish that's

531
00:19:43,933 --> 00:19:47,061
how hard he wanted
to throw? I said, "Alright."

532
00:19:47,062 --> 00:19:49,897
You have now just set your
punishment gauge.

533
00:19:49,898 --> 00:19:51,899
He could've done it
much easier. [Laughing]

534
00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:53,234
[Dylan] It's all
about believability.

535
00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,653
I want them to think
he's trying to kill me.

536
00:19:55,779 --> 00:19:57,780
If I'm going to have any
chance of beating him,

537
00:19:57,781 --> 00:19:59,365
I want to fight with him
on the floor.

538
00:19:59,366 --> 00:20:00,700
I want to brawl.

539
00:20:00,825 --> 00:20:02,202
<i>[Announcer] Oh!
[Indistinct screaming]</i>

540
00:20:02,327 --> 00:20:04,370
<i>Upside the head of
the Necro Butcher!</i>

541
00:20:04,371 --> 00:20:07,956
[Dylan] And that is a way
you can suck in the crowd.

542
00:20:07,957 --> 00:20:09,917
I want him to hit me.

543
00:20:09,918 --> 00:20:12,586
I was gonna fly
over the guardrail.

544
00:20:12,587 --> 00:20:14,963
But he hit me so hard,
I couldn't go

545
00:20:14,964 --> 00:20:16,091
over the guard-
Oh, Jesus!

546
00:20:16,216 --> 00:20:18,093
<i>[Announcer] Oh,
here comes Joe!</i>

547
00:20:18,218 --> 00:20:20,177
<i>Down goes Necro!</i>

548
00:20:20,178 --> 00:20:21,553
[Dylan] I'm gonna just
calmly walk over

549
00:20:21,554 --> 00:20:25,265
the guardrail now.
[Laughing]

550
00:20:25,266 --> 00:20:26,768
I'm gonna sit down and
compose myself

551
00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:28,435
for a minute after that.

552
00:20:28,436 --> 00:20:29,937
<i>[Announcer] All these
fans are moving!</i>

553
00:20:29,938 --> 00:20:31,480
<i>They're parting
like the Red Sea!</i>

554
00:20:31,481 --> 00:20:32,732
[Nuufolau] Trying to beat
the deathmatch wrestler

555
00:20:32,857 --> 00:20:33,942
with pro wrestling.

556
00:20:34,067 --> 00:20:36,402
Using my body as a weapon
to try to break you up.

557
00:20:36,403 --> 00:20:39,238
It was meant to accentuate
that contrast of styles.

558
00:20:39,239 --> 00:20:40,781
<i>[Announcer] The Necro's
back to his feet</i>

559
00:20:40,782 --> 00:20:41,782
<i>with a head butt!</i>

560
00:20:41,783 --> 00:20:42,908
[Eddie] And oh,
there's the head butt.

561
00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:44,910
You don't head butt
a Samoan.

562
00:20:44,911 --> 00:20:46,579
That's like a rule
you're taught.

563
00:20:46,705 --> 00:20:48,956
[Dylan] I had a very
bad cut on my head.

564
00:20:48,957 --> 00:20:52,961
I knew a stiff breeze
would bust me open,

565
00:20:53,086 --> 00:20:54,503
let alone a
Samoan head butt.

566
00:20:54,504 --> 00:20:56,631
[Nuufolau] Any deathmatch
wrestler will tell you,

567
00:20:56,756 --> 00:20:58,215
if they've already
got something open,

568
00:20:58,216 --> 00:20:59,967
they can't wait
for you to work it.

569
00:20:59,968 --> 00:21:01,594
And, we got that
fucker open.

570
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,970
[Laughing]

571
00:21:02,971 --> 00:21:04,680
<i>[Announcer]
Necro's busted open!</i>

572
00:21:04,681 --> 00:21:07,683
[Rob] Authentic head butts,
and then Necro's bleeding.

573
00:21:07,684 --> 00:21:10,103
So, the fervor only
grows from there.

574
00:21:10,228 --> 00:21:12,313
[Mad Man] Necro learned
a secret from me.

575
00:21:12,314 --> 00:21:14,356
If you want a
standing ovation,

576
00:21:14,357 --> 00:21:16,943
you knock their chairs
out from underneath them.

577
00:21:17,068 --> 00:21:19,654
<i>[Announcer] Everybody in this
building is on their feet!</i>

578
00:21:19,779 --> 00:21:21,113
[Mad Man]
Standing ovation.

579
00:21:21,114 --> 00:21:23,115
[Dylan] I don't think
Samoa Joe was really

580
00:21:23,116 --> 00:21:24,993
enjoying himself at this
point in the match.

581
00:21:25,118 --> 00:21:27,703
I was having a grand
old time, myself.

582
00:21:27,704 --> 00:21:28,996
[Nuufolau]
[Laughing] I mean,

583
00:21:28,997 --> 00:21:31,123
it's not the best
feeling, but...

584
00:21:31,124 --> 00:21:32,000
[Dylan] I was trying to
get him to a place

585
00:21:32,125 --> 00:21:33,668
where we could safely to
do the power slam,

586
00:21:33,793 --> 00:21:35,128
or so I thought.

587
00:21:35,253 --> 00:21:37,463
You know, when you make
people get out of their seat

588
00:21:37,464 --> 00:21:38,672
and move around,

589
00:21:38,673 --> 00:21:41,300
you run the risk of
spilling drinks.

590
00:21:41,301 --> 00:21:43,093
[Eddie] You can see it
all over the floor.

591
00:21:43,094 --> 00:21:45,138
There was just
wet spots everywhere.

592
00:21:45,263 --> 00:21:47,389
[Dylan] So maybe a power
slam wasn't the best idea.

593
00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:49,184
[Laughing]

594
00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,310
[Nuufolau] He ran at me.
I went to scoop him.

595
00:21:51,311 --> 00:21:53,103
Now, I don't know
if his foot slipped

596
00:21:53,104 --> 00:21:54,980
or whatever, but like
as we went for the lift,

597
00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:56,940
I felt him grab me
real tight.

598
00:21:56,941 --> 00:21:58,193
He was just
stuck to me.

599
00:21:58,318 --> 00:21:59,486
And then,
pushed my hips through

600
00:21:59,611 --> 00:22:01,987
and he was going over.

601
00:22:01,988 --> 00:22:04,823
<i>[Announcer] Power slam
on the floor!</i>

602
00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:05,825
[Nuufolau] That didn't
quite work the way

603
00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:07,201
he wanted it to.

604
00:22:07,202 --> 00:22:09,037
[Dave] And we're wondering
in the commentary position,

605
00:22:09,162 --> 00:22:11,122
how is that
physically possible?

606
00:22:11,247 --> 00:22:12,706
<i>[Announcer] I've never
seen such a thing!</i>

607
00:22:12,707 --> 00:22:14,083
[Nuufolau] And I
turn around, I go,

608
00:22:14,084 --> 00:22:16,419
"Jesus, you good?"
And he's- [groaning]

609
00:22:18,088 --> 00:22:21,006
[Bryce] I hear that sickening
thud of skull on cement.

610
00:22:21,007 --> 00:22:23,218
That right there is,
is a sign of danger.

611
00:22:23,343 --> 00:22:24,718
That's something you're
not gonna see on

612
00:22:24,719 --> 00:22:26,011
Monday Night Raw.

613
00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:27,596
[Crowd] [Chanting]
Necro! Necro!

614
00:22:27,597 --> 00:22:29,849
[Nuufolau] You know, in
today's wrestling world,

615
00:22:29,974 --> 00:22:31,934
that match shouldn't
continue probably.

616
00:22:31,935 --> 00:22:35,187
But that match and that
night, that atmosphere...

617
00:22:35,188 --> 00:22:37,565
that energy from the crowd,
it was like,

618
00:22:37,691 --> 00:22:39,525
now we're in the flow,

619
00:22:39,526 --> 00:22:43,028
and it just got more violent
and more fucked up from there.

620
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:44,864
[Chanting]
Holy shit! Holy shit!

621
00:22:47,951 --> 00:22:49,743
<i>[Narrator] Just two
minutes into the match,</i>

622
00:22:49,744 --> 00:22:51,912
<i>Samoa Joe drives
Necro Butcher</i>

623
00:22:51,913 --> 00:22:55,082
<i>face first onto
the concrete.</i>

624
00:22:55,083 --> 00:22:57,085
[Eddie] At that that time
we didn't stop.

625
00:22:57,210 --> 00:23:00,087
We go until the
wheels fall off.

626
00:23:00,088 --> 00:23:02,548
[Dylan] Maybe a normal
person would have been hurt.

627
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:04,383
But I was fine.

628
00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:06,052
[crowd shouting]

629
00:23:06,177 --> 00:23:09,263
[Eddie] Oh, that boot
definitely did not tickle.

630
00:23:09,264 --> 00:23:10,764
<i>[Announcer] Oh, Joe's
wiping the blood off him.</i>

631
00:23:10,765 --> 00:23:12,349
[Rob] Oh, that's a
great touch.

632
00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:14,144
Wiping the blood
off his head

633
00:23:14,269 --> 00:23:15,729
and wiping on his chest.

634
00:23:15,854 --> 00:23:18,314
The fans are such an
integral part to all this.

635
00:23:18,315 --> 00:23:19,232
They're so into it.

636
00:23:19,357 --> 00:23:20,482
[Crowd] Oh!

637
00:23:20,483 --> 00:23:21,359
[Nuufolau] If you look
at that floor right now,

638
00:23:21,484 --> 00:23:24,779
it could be any number
of bodily fluids, so...

639
00:23:24,904 --> 00:23:26,530
when things got
to the outside,

640
00:23:26,531 --> 00:23:28,741
this was Necro's
environment.

641
00:23:28,742 --> 00:23:30,492
But anytime we're inside
the ring, you know,

642
00:23:30,493 --> 00:23:31,994
that was my domain.

643
00:23:31,995 --> 00:23:33,496
<i>[Announcer] Over the
rail and back they go.</i>

644
00:23:33,621 --> 00:23:34,330
[Nuufolau]
Body language is,

645
00:23:34,456 --> 00:23:35,789
"I don't think
much of you."

646
00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:38,126
Arrogant pin, you know,
elbow on the chin,

647
00:23:38,251 --> 00:23:39,544
not really
scooping the leg.

648
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:40,961
But in the face
of that, you know,

649
00:23:40,962 --> 00:23:42,297
here he is
fighting back.

650
00:23:42,422 --> 00:23:44,757
<i>[Announcer]
Necro kicks out.</i>

651
00:23:44,758 --> 00:23:48,261
[Rob] He is not giving up.
He is continuing to fight.

652
00:23:48,386 --> 00:23:49,636
He puts the arm up.

653
00:23:49,637 --> 00:23:52,682
And then the very
pro Joe crowd,

654
00:23:52,807 --> 00:23:53,767
you start hearing more,

655
00:23:53,892 --> 00:23:55,477
"Necro, Necro,
Necro," chants.

656
00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:56,977
[Crowd]
Necro! Necro!

657
00:23:56,978 --> 00:23:58,229
[Rob] And it's
because of Necro's

658
00:23:58,355 --> 00:23:59,813
selling, selling, selling.

659
00:23:59,814 --> 00:24:01,649
The fans get
louder and louder.

660
00:24:01,650 --> 00:24:03,610
[Crowd]
Necro! Necro!

661
00:24:03,735 --> 00:24:05,486
[Rob] And now you
have that dynamic,

662
00:24:05,487 --> 00:24:07,154
the fans fighting
with each other.

663
00:24:07,155 --> 00:24:08,614
They're turning.

664
00:24:08,615 --> 00:24:09,657
<i>[Announcer] Wait 'til you
hear all these fans</i>

665
00:24:09,783 --> 00:24:11,159
<i>right here in a chorus.</i>

666
00:24:11,284 --> 00:24:12,951
[Nuufolau] I understood
what role I played in this.

667
00:24:12,952 --> 00:24:15,120
This is somebody fighting
against all the odds,

668
00:24:15,121 --> 00:24:16,997
you know, fighting to
break out of his box

669
00:24:16,998 --> 00:24:19,918
in the face of this
insurmountable entity.

670
00:24:20,043 --> 00:24:21,670
<i>[Announcer] Off the
ropes comes Necro!</i>

671
00:24:21,795 --> 00:24:23,295
<i>Connects with the boot.</i>

672
00:24:23,296 --> 00:24:25,465
[Dylan] Joe's weapon
is his killer instinct

673
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:28,133
and his ability.
Those are just tools.

674
00:24:28,134 --> 00:24:30,845
For me,
the opponent,

675
00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:33,472
the guardrail,
the ring itself.

676
00:24:33,473 --> 00:24:35,558
Those are the
tools of my trade.

677
00:24:35,683 --> 00:24:37,309
You don't really
have time to be hurt,

678
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:38,268
because you gotta
think, okay,

679
00:24:38,269 --> 00:24:40,437
what am I doing next,
what am I doing next?

680
00:24:40,438 --> 00:24:41,855
Oh, yeah, I was
trying to find

681
00:24:41,856 --> 00:24:44,316
a piece of guardrail
I could rip off.

682
00:24:44,317 --> 00:24:46,695
I'm going to smash you
with the guardrail.

683
00:24:49,656 --> 00:24:51,407
[Dylan] No, no.

684
00:24:51,408 --> 00:24:53,034
[Laughing]

685
00:24:54,452 --> 00:24:56,246
He was a
good sport about it.

686
00:24:56,371 --> 00:24:58,497
[Crowd] Oh!

687
00:24:58,498 --> 00:25:00,082
[Nuufolau] Yeah, it sucks.

688
00:25:00,083 --> 00:25:02,418
It's not pleasant, you know,
it's not pleasant.

689
00:25:02,419 --> 00:25:04,003
[Laughing]

690
00:25:04,129 --> 00:25:05,629
[Crowd] Oh!

691
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:06,672
[Nuufolau] What
people don't realize

692
00:25:06,673 --> 00:25:08,340
is that Necro
is blind also.

693
00:25:08,341 --> 00:25:09,676
Very blind.
[Laughing]

694
00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:10,719
[Dylan] I have
my glasses here.

695
00:25:10,844 --> 00:25:11,928
I can't tell who's who.

696
00:25:12,053 --> 00:25:14,097
There's a red light there,
red light over there.

697
00:25:14,222 --> 00:25:15,764
But I can't see nothing.

698
00:25:15,765 --> 00:25:18,726
[Announcer]
[indistinct commentary]

699
00:25:18,727 --> 00:25:20,812
[Eddie] [Laughing]
He did that

700
00:25:20,937 --> 00:25:24,815
and I was like, Jesus!
I did not expect it.

701
00:25:24,816 --> 00:25:26,484
[Nuufolau] This guy just
swings for the general

702
00:25:26,609 --> 00:25:28,068
fuzzy mound that's
in front of him

703
00:25:28,069 --> 00:25:29,571
and he hopes
that it connects.

704
00:25:29,696 --> 00:25:32,906
[Dylan] I hit him with
the perfect punch.

705
00:25:32,907 --> 00:25:35,326
Like, I felt all of
my knuckles

706
00:25:35,452 --> 00:25:37,120
hit him right in the jaw.

707
00:25:37,245 --> 00:25:38,829
[indistinct shouting]

708
00:25:38,830 --> 00:25:40,957
[Dylan] And I thought,
I'm gonna do it again.

709
00:25:41,082 --> 00:25:43,793
♪

710
00:25:43,918 --> 00:25:45,419
[Nuufolau] That's the
worst thing you do for me.

711
00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:47,921
Now the switch turns an
extra couple degrees.

712
00:25:47,922 --> 00:25:49,549
And I have come
to destroy worlds,

713
00:25:49,674 --> 00:25:51,800
and this is the
world before me

714
00:25:51,801 --> 00:25:53,594
which I must
lay waste to.

715
00:25:53,595 --> 00:25:54,679
[Dylan] Before I could
do it a third time,

716
00:25:54,804 --> 00:25:56,805
I went flying through
the air. [Laughing]

717
00:25:56,806 --> 00:25:58,641
<i>[Announcer]
Did you see the...</i>

718
00:25:58,767 --> 00:26:01,519
<i>holy shit!
Ah! [screaming]</i>

719
00:26:01,644 --> 00:26:04,772
<i>Holy... fuck!</i>

720
00:26:04,773 --> 00:26:06,690
[Rob] Good God.
This is...

721
00:26:06,691 --> 00:26:08,734
it just...

722
00:26:08,735 --> 00:26:11,612
[Eddie] Look at that
blood everywhere, man.

723
00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:13,864
This was wild.

724
00:26:13,865 --> 00:26:17,409
[Mad Man] That was the one
where I was like, holy shit.

725
00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:20,080
That one made me stand up
in my chair and,

726
00:26:20,205 --> 00:26:22,915
I was thinking about
going down there.

727
00:26:22,916 --> 00:26:25,210
<i>[Announcer] What the
fuck is happening?</i>

728
00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:31,049
[Dylan] Not me, not the kid.
A normal man, perhaps.

729
00:26:32,967 --> 00:26:33,927
[Dylan] That's not
gonna hurt me.

730
00:26:34,052 --> 00:26:35,928
I know what I'm doing.

731
00:26:35,929 --> 00:26:36,637
[Nuufolau] You know,
everybody talks about

732
00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:37,638
his face hitting
the floor.

733
00:26:37,639 --> 00:26:38,932
What they don't talk about
is his shoulder

734
00:26:39,057 --> 00:26:40,557
coming down on
top of my face

735
00:26:40,558 --> 00:26:41,475
and the back of my head
being driven

736
00:26:41,476 --> 00:26:42,685
into the cement.

737
00:26:42,811 --> 00:26:44,979
[Crowd] Oh!

738
00:26:45,105 --> 00:26:46,563
[Nuufolau] Thought my
nose was broken.

739
00:26:46,564 --> 00:26:49,359
Thought I'd
shattered my orbital.

740
00:26:49,484 --> 00:26:50,943
I broke my nose
a billion times,

741
00:26:50,944 --> 00:26:52,152
so it wasn't
uncommon.

742
00:26:52,153 --> 00:26:54,614
But yeah, this one put
another fracture in my nose.

743
00:26:54,739 --> 00:26:55,740
I'll give him this,
at least he looks

744
00:26:55,865 --> 00:26:57,449
worse for wear for
the whole deal.

745
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,410
[Dylan] There's an old
Johnny Valentine quote.

746
00:26:59,411 --> 00:27:02,205
He said, "I can't make
you believe in wrestling,

747
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:05,082
but I can make you believe
in Johnny Valentine."

748
00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:07,502
No one is ever gonna watch
that match, and say,

749
00:27:07,627 --> 00:27:09,420
"Yeah, that's,
that's all fake."

750
00:27:09,421 --> 00:27:12,966
I'm tough enough that
I can take that shit.

751
00:27:13,091 --> 00:27:15,135
Let's exploit
what we have.

752
00:27:19,723 --> 00:27:23,268
<i>the legendary ECW Arena, eaf</i>

753
00:27:23,393 --> 00:27:25,185
<i>Samoa Joe and
Necro Butcher</i>

754
00:27:25,186 --> 00:27:28,355
<i>leave everything in the ring
and on the floor.</i>

755
00:27:28,356 --> 00:27:29,356
[Dylan] Now see this
is what you call

756
00:27:29,357 --> 00:27:32,235
long-term
storytelling, guys.

757
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,404
Remember they had
that Chikara match.

758
00:27:34,529 --> 00:27:36,363
<i>[Announcer] ...goes for
a suplex off then apron!</i>

759
00:27:36,364 --> 00:27:38,115
[Dylan] I suplexed
the kid off the apron.

760
00:27:38,116 --> 00:27:40,160
<i>[Announcer] Off the
apron to the floor!</i>

761
00:27:40,285 --> 00:27:42,619
[Dylan] And then,
a month or two later,

762
00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:45,373
the master suplexes me
off the apron.

763
00:27:45,498 --> 00:27:46,832
<i>[Announcer]
Holy shit, ah!</i>

764
00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:50,045
[Dylan] Long-term story
telling at its finest.

765
00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:51,128
[Nuufolau] You know
what sucks?

766
00:27:51,129 --> 00:27:52,422
I wish I could've said
I planned all this shit,

767
00:27:52,547 --> 00:27:55,300
but- [Laughing]
Happy accident.

768
00:27:55,425 --> 00:27:57,426
[Dylan] Yeah, happy
accidents, here we go.

769
00:27:57,427 --> 00:27:58,635
[Laughing]

770
00:27:58,636 --> 00:28:00,847
[Bryce] The way Necro
is moving and selling,

771
00:28:00,972 --> 00:28:03,307
he's definitely hurt
and he's banged up,

772
00:28:03,308 --> 00:28:04,684
but he's with it.

773
00:28:04,809 --> 00:28:07,437
[Eddie] Just to see Necro
get up, we were like...

774
00:28:07,562 --> 00:28:10,064
He's like rising
from the dead.

775
00:28:10,065 --> 00:28:11,524
[Nuufolau] I'm not a guy
that'll ever dictate to

776
00:28:11,650 --> 00:28:13,318
somebody what
dangerous things

777
00:28:13,443 --> 00:28:14,736
they should do to
their own body.

778
00:28:14,861 --> 00:28:16,403
I put the ball in his court,
and I said, you know,

779
00:28:16,404 --> 00:28:18,948
"You tell me how far you
want this to go."

780
00:28:19,074 --> 00:28:21,284
But,
he had a vision.

781
00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:22,785
[Crowd] Oh!

782
00:28:22,786 --> 00:28:24,411
[Nuufolau] It's a
more primal vision.

783
00:28:24,412 --> 00:28:27,207
It's definitely not
eloquent in its execution.

784
00:28:27,332 --> 00:28:28,707
[Dylan] I think here
I was telling him,

785
00:28:28,708 --> 00:28:30,668
"Put the guardrail up
on the turnbuckle."

786
00:28:30,669 --> 00:28:32,879
There's so many
times in this match

787
00:28:33,004 --> 00:28:35,255
where I just said
some shit that could

788
00:28:35,256 --> 00:28:36,925
easily be
misinterpreted,

789
00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:39,427
but every time I told him
to do something,

790
00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:41,846
he did exactly what
I wanted him to do.

791
00:28:41,971 --> 00:28:43,263
[Nuufolau] In those
circumstances,

792
00:28:43,264 --> 00:28:45,182
I will default to the
masochist and

793
00:28:45,183 --> 00:28:46,851
let him paint
his picture.

794
00:28:46,976 --> 00:28:49,979
[Dylan] His ability to
dish out punishment,

795
00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:52,649
and my ability to
absorb punishment

796
00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:54,734
is what I based
the match upon.

797
00:28:54,859 --> 00:28:56,360
<i>[Announcer] ...power bomb
coming up!</i>

798
00:28:56,361 --> 00:28:58,571
<i>Wah! Oh!</i>

799
00:28:58,697 --> 00:29:00,949
<i>Somebody's gonna die!</i>

800
00:29:02,367 --> 00:29:04,285
[Bryce] In some
form or fashion,

801
00:29:04,411 --> 00:29:06,246
they were reading
the same book.

802
00:29:06,371 --> 00:29:07,913
I'm not sure they're
in the same chapter,

803
00:29:07,914 --> 00:29:11,668
same page quite, but to be
done even remotely safely

804
00:29:11,793 --> 00:29:15,879
involves a breed
of cooperation.

805
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,883
[Mad Man] The way Necro's
looking at it right here is,

806
00:29:19,009 --> 00:29:22,595
the more he gets beat up
and still stands up,

807
00:29:22,721 --> 00:29:25,639
he's becoming
a bigger star.

808
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,393
Back in the day,
before that match...

809
00:29:28,518 --> 00:29:32,563
me and Necro, we was
in a light tube match.

810
00:29:32,564 --> 00:29:35,399
We were just
bloody as hell.

811
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,485
I suplex Necro
and one of them

812
00:29:38,486 --> 00:29:41,281
went in so deep
in his arm, it just,

813
00:29:41,406 --> 00:29:43,699
it just cut a whole
chunk out of there.

814
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:46,201
I start yelling out.

815
00:29:46,202 --> 00:29:49,038
Fucking ambulance!
Ambulance!

816
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,665
And I'm just feeling terrible
that this happened to Necro.

817
00:29:51,666 --> 00:29:54,001
And finally Necro looked
over to me, and he said,

818
00:29:54,002 --> 00:29:57,422
"Pondo, would you chill out
and cheer up?"

819
00:29:57,547 --> 00:29:59,757
You know, he just never
complained about it.

820
00:29:59,758 --> 00:30:02,843
This was his chance to get
his name out there and show

821
00:30:02,844 --> 00:30:05,305
the world exactly what
the Necro Butcher can do,

822
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:08,098
and he just kept
on going and...

823
00:30:08,099 --> 00:30:10,059
here he is today.

824
00:30:10,060 --> 00:30:12,561
[Eddie] It's a very
old school way of

825
00:30:12,562 --> 00:30:15,273
getting somebody over.
It, it works.

826
00:30:15,398 --> 00:30:16,524
People can register that.

827
00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:18,942
People can respect
an underdog.

828
00:30:18,943 --> 00:30:20,695
[Dave] Is he going to
get back to his feet?

829
00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:22,739
The drama
continues to build.

830
00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:24,991
It's great storytelling.

831
00:30:25,116 --> 00:30:27,951
<i>[Announcer] Joe,
with the cover. No!</i>

832
00:30:27,952 --> 00:30:29,162
[Dylan] It has to be
one-sided for

833
00:30:29,287 --> 00:30:31,205
the story I'm
trying to tell.

834
00:30:31,206 --> 00:30:34,917
Too many matches today,
they're too back and forth.

835
00:30:34,918 --> 00:30:37,670
The fans don't buy the
comeback because

836
00:30:37,671 --> 00:30:39,589
the guys don't take the
time to set the heat

837
00:30:39,714 --> 00:30:41,548
the way they need to.

838
00:30:41,549 --> 00:30:42,966
[Nuufolau]
The whole point was,

839
00:30:42,967 --> 00:30:44,885
in my head was like,
we're going to

840
00:30:44,886 --> 00:30:46,346
put this guy through this
carnival of torture

841
00:30:46,471 --> 00:30:48,722
that he's wanted
so badly for so long.

842
00:30:48,723 --> 00:30:50,016
We're going to give him
everything he asked for.

843
00:30:50,141 --> 00:30:52,060
[Crowd] Oh!

844
00:30:52,185 --> 00:30:54,187
[Dylan] That could have been
a paralyzation there had

845
00:30:54,312 --> 00:30:56,856
somebody been an inch this
way or an inch that way,

846
00:30:56,981 --> 00:30:59,441
that could have easily been
a paralyzation there as well.

847
00:30:59,442 --> 00:31:01,652
<i>[Announcer] Cover!</i>
[Crowd] One, two!

848
00:31:01,653 --> 00:31:03,445
<i>[Announcer] He kicked out!</i>

849
00:31:03,446 --> 00:31:05,030
[Bryce] The look
on Joe's face is like,

850
00:31:05,031 --> 00:31:07,617
"What do I gotta do to put
this guy, this guy away?"

851
00:31:07,742 --> 00:31:09,451
[Dave] They're chanting,
"Necro!"

852
00:31:09,452 --> 00:31:11,704
He's earning the
respect of the crowd.

853
00:31:11,705 --> 00:31:12,580
<i>[Announcer] The fans of
Philadelphia are</i>

854
00:31:12,706 --> 00:31:13,665
<i>going nuts right now.</i>

855
00:31:13,790 --> 00:31:15,499
[Rob] All the punishment
Necro Butcher takes,

856
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:17,167
he's gonna
make it matter.

857
00:31:17,168 --> 00:31:20,547
He's not just gonna blow
off any kind of damage.

858
00:31:20,672 --> 00:31:21,506
<i>[Announcer] And they're
showing their support</i>

859
00:31:21,631 --> 00:31:22,841
<i>for Joe as well.</i>

860
00:31:22,966 --> 00:31:24,800
<i>Chop across the
chest of Necro.</i>

861
00:31:24,801 --> 00:31:25,801
[Dylan] I wanted to
look really feeble

862
00:31:25,802 --> 00:31:26,970
and barely on my feet.

863
00:31:27,095 --> 00:31:29,138
So that's what I was
trying to do here.

864
00:31:29,139 --> 00:31:33,434
A man doesn't win
when he's relaxed

865
00:31:33,435 --> 00:31:34,978
and thinks he's in control.

866
00:31:35,103 --> 00:31:37,147
A man wins when he
thinks he's losing.

867
00:31:37,272 --> 00:31:38,690
[Crowd] Oh!

868
00:31:39,774 --> 00:31:41,026
[Rob] There it is!

869
00:31:41,151 --> 00:31:44,070
He's fighting back,
boom, boom!

870
00:31:44,195 --> 00:31:45,320
Oh, my God.

871
00:31:45,321 --> 00:31:47,698
[Nuufolau] In the moment,
I'm annoyed at that.

872
00:31:47,699 --> 00:31:50,784
Like, what the fuck, man?

873
00:31:50,785 --> 00:31:53,038
<i>[Announcer] But Samoa Joe
with the palm strikes!</i>

874
00:31:53,163 --> 00:31:54,330
[Nuufolau] Classic pro
wrestling technique,

875
00:31:54,456 --> 00:31:55,914
the open-hand
palm strikes.

876
00:31:55,915 --> 00:31:58,376
Bro, put your hands up.
That's the first rule.

877
00:31:58,501 --> 00:32:01,004
[Dave] With each slap you
could see a mist of blood

878
00:32:01,129 --> 00:32:05,758
coming off the face
of Necro Butcher.

879
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:08,344
[Nuufolau] If I had to
pinpoint a time when

880
00:32:08,345 --> 00:32:11,138
my girlfriend at the time
had left the match,

881
00:32:11,139 --> 00:32:14,975
it was where the blood was
visibly flying into the crowd.

882
00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:16,477
She said she
almost threw up

883
00:32:16,478 --> 00:32:18,813
and then she
decided to bounce.

884
00:32:20,231 --> 00:32:22,400
And that's the whole
point of what I was doing.

885
00:32:22,525 --> 00:32:23,902
When you're dog
walking somebody,

886
00:32:24,027 --> 00:32:25,736
it's not a pretty affair.

887
00:32:25,737 --> 00:32:27,821
And that's what that
whole sequence was about.

888
00:32:27,822 --> 00:32:30,283
I've had enough.
I'm done with this.

889
00:32:30,408 --> 00:32:33,286
It's time for you
to die now.

890
00:32:33,411 --> 00:32:35,747
<i>[Announcer] Ah! God!</i>

891
00:32:38,583 --> 00:32:40,501
<i>[Narrator] The match
between Necro Butcher and</i>

892
00:32:40,502 --> 00:32:43,712
<i>Samoa Joe barrels toward
its violent finish.</i>

893
00:32:43,713 --> 00:32:45,965
<i>[Announcer] Look at the
blood on the body of</i>

894
00:32:46,091 --> 00:32:47,801
<i>Samoa Joe
from Necro!</i>

895
00:32:47,926 --> 00:32:50,970
♪

896
00:32:51,096 --> 00:32:53,138
[Bryce] This was not any
ordinary wrestling match,

897
00:32:53,139 --> 00:32:55,517
so it wasn't gonna
end any ordinary way.

898
00:32:55,642 --> 00:32:57,185
Joe's here 'cause
he wants to be here.

899
00:32:57,310 --> 00:32:59,019
Necro has nothing to lose.

900
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:00,854
So, the story
of Necro...

901
00:33:00,855 --> 00:33:02,148
calling these spots that
lead to his demise...

902
00:33:02,273 --> 00:33:03,315
<i>[Announcer]
Stay down!</i>

903
00:33:03,316 --> 00:33:04,359
[Bryce] He's saying that,
"I'm gonna lose,

904
00:33:04,484 --> 00:33:06,235
but I'm gonna go
down swinging."

905
00:33:06,236 --> 00:33:07,821
[Dave] The lasting
image of that match

906
00:33:07,946 --> 00:33:10,532
is the final strike.

907
00:33:10,657 --> 00:33:13,575
And Samoa Joe effectively
wins the match

908
00:33:13,576 --> 00:33:16,036
by knocking Necro out.

909
00:33:16,037 --> 00:33:17,621
[Bryce] What is unique about
this finish is that it's,

910
00:33:17,622 --> 00:33:19,707
in essence,
a technical knockout.

911
00:33:19,708 --> 00:33:21,209
[Dave] He didn't just
have to pin him for

912
00:33:21,334 --> 00:33:23,877
three seconds, he kept
him down for ten.

913
00:33:23,878 --> 00:33:27,382
[Rob] He just could not
take any more beating.

914
00:33:27,507 --> 00:33:28,507
<i>[Announcer]
He's getting up though.</i>

915
00:33:28,508 --> 00:33:30,552
<i>No!
And that's it!</i>

916
00:33:30,677 --> 00:33:33,054
<i>Samoa Joe gets
the knockout!</i>

917
00:33:33,179 --> 00:33:35,139
<i>Knockout win
for Samoa Joe!</i>

918
00:33:35,140 --> 00:33:36,849
[match bell ringing]

919
00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:39,435
[Nuufolau] Your great
messiah of hardcore death

920
00:33:39,436 --> 00:33:42,021
has been stricken down.

921
00:33:42,147 --> 00:33:44,691
All justice has
been served.

922
00:33:46,901 --> 00:33:48,318
[Dylan] What a mess.

923
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:49,862
<i>[Narrator] Though the
match may be over,</i>

924
00:33:49,863 --> 00:33:52,699
<i>Joe gives Necro one
last parting shot.</i>

925
00:33:52,824 --> 00:33:54,450
<i>[Announcer] Oh,
he's not done.</i>

926
00:33:54,451 --> 00:33:55,535
[Nuufolau] Brother was
down there selling so long,

927
00:33:55,660 --> 00:33:57,077
so I went over there
and I gave him like

928
00:33:57,078 --> 00:33:58,078
the little kick
in the head.

929
00:33:58,079 --> 00:33:59,329
Just like I knew he would,
he popped right up

930
00:33:59,330 --> 00:34:00,873
and started swinging
for the fences.

931
00:34:00,874 --> 00:34:03,585
And the monster rises
again from the dead.

932
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:05,252
[Dylan] Really? Really?
Get out of here.

933
00:34:05,253 --> 00:34:07,546
[Laughing]

934
00:34:07,547 --> 00:34:09,006
<i>[Announcer] The hardcore
Jesus is pissed.</i>

935
00:34:09,007 --> 00:34:10,132
[Nuufolau] I'm like, well,
I can't leave you

936
00:34:10,133 --> 00:34:11,425
laying in a puddle,
I mean, like,

937
00:34:11,426 --> 00:34:12,968
I thought it was
important to leave

938
00:34:12,969 --> 00:34:16,638
the arena with him at
least standing, you know.

939
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,808
<i>[Announcer] What a war
between these two men!</i>

940
00:34:19,809 --> 00:34:22,270
[Nuufolau] If there's no
fight in somebody then

941
00:34:22,395 --> 00:34:24,688
there's nothing really
there to care about.

942
00:34:24,689 --> 00:34:27,817
So, it was imperative to me
that we left Necro

943
00:34:27,942 --> 00:34:29,277
with the right kind of
perception on him

944
00:34:29,402 --> 00:34:30,611
of being just one of the

945
00:34:30,612 --> 00:34:32,404
toughest motherfuckers
on planet earth.

946
00:34:32,405 --> 00:34:34,574
[Crowd chanting]

947
00:34:37,786 --> 00:34:40,413
[Dylan] Match of
the year, huh? Wow.

948
00:34:40,538 --> 00:34:42,915
[Crowd] [Chanting]
Match of the year!

949
00:34:42,916 --> 00:34:44,292
[Dave] Everyone in the
building knew that

950
00:34:44,417 --> 00:34:46,670
they had just witnessed
something great.

951
00:34:46,795 --> 00:34:48,421
And when the fans
finally got a chance to

952
00:34:48,546 --> 00:34:51,256
see it on video,
it just intensified

953
00:34:51,257 --> 00:34:54,551
the buzz about the
match on the internet.

954
00:34:54,552 --> 00:34:57,097
[Dylan] How ironic that
that event was called

955
00:34:57,222 --> 00:34:58,555
"Something To Prove"

956
00:34:58,556 --> 00:35:01,350
because that's exactly
what I was trying to do,

957
00:35:01,351 --> 00:35:03,644
and I think that's
exactly what I did.

958
00:35:03,645 --> 00:35:05,647
That night in
Philly was special.

959
00:35:05,772 --> 00:35:08,107
I knew I'm never
gonna make it to

960
00:35:08,108 --> 00:35:09,317
Madison Square Garden.

961
00:35:09,442 --> 00:35:12,070
That was my Madison
Square Garden.

962
00:35:12,195 --> 00:35:13,904
After that match,

963
00:35:13,905 --> 00:35:17,199
I was a made man
in that building.

964
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,369
And that's all
I ever wanted.

965
00:35:21,454 --> 00:35:22,830
[Nuufolau] You know, coming
through the curtain in

966
00:35:22,831 --> 00:35:25,374
the post-match, it couldn't
have been more...

967
00:35:25,375 --> 00:35:27,334
I mean, docile.
[Laughing]

968
00:35:27,335 --> 00:35:28,711
You know, like...

969
00:35:28,712 --> 00:35:31,130
Necro came back,
dapped him up.

970
00:35:31,131 --> 00:35:33,716
[Dylan] I went to Joe
immediately and thanked him.

971
00:35:33,717 --> 00:35:36,552
I obviously had tremendous
amount of respect

972
00:35:36,553 --> 00:35:37,761
for him as a wrestler.

973
00:35:37,762 --> 00:35:40,348
He trusted the vision
of what I had,

974
00:35:40,473 --> 00:35:43,434
and helped me
follow it through.

975
00:35:43,435 --> 00:35:45,561
Well, after the match,
I had another show to do

976
00:35:45,562 --> 00:35:47,688
that evening in
the same arena.

977
00:35:47,689 --> 00:35:50,149
So I had to go back down
to the catacombs and

978
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:51,818
put my skull back together

979
00:35:51,943 --> 00:35:53,777
and catch my breath,

980
00:35:53,778 --> 00:35:55,070
and get ready to
get out there and

981
00:35:55,071 --> 00:35:56,364
do it all over again.

982
00:35:56,489 --> 00:35:59,033
<i>[Announcer] And here
comes the butcher!</i>

983
00:35:59,034 --> 00:36:01,410
[Dave] You'd think maybe
he'd be tired, but no.

984
00:36:01,411 --> 00:36:03,537
He just kept going.

985
00:36:03,538 --> 00:36:05,373
<i>[Announcer]
Excuse me!</i>

986
00:36:05,498 --> 00:36:07,959
[Rob] He never went 80%,
you know,

987
00:36:08,084 --> 00:36:10,085
he was always 110.

988
00:36:10,086 --> 00:36:12,047
It's a very heavy price,

989
00:36:12,172 --> 00:36:14,006
taking suplexes
to the floor,

990
00:36:14,007 --> 00:36:16,551
taking these bumps,
and he did it because

991
00:36:16,676 --> 00:36:18,635
he had pride in
what he was doing

992
00:36:18,636 --> 00:36:21,055
and he wanted to
get to the next level.

993
00:36:21,056 --> 00:36:23,724
It certainly seemed to me
that there was almost like

994
00:36:23,725 --> 00:36:26,935
a before and after for
both of those guys.

995
00:36:26,936 --> 00:36:30,230
[Dave] It eventually earned
Necro a regular spot

996
00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:32,524
in ROH for a
couple of years.

997
00:36:32,525 --> 00:36:34,860
[Dylan] Ring Of Honor could
not deny me any longer.

998
00:36:34,861 --> 00:36:36,696
<i>[Announcer] That's the
Necro Butcher!</i>

999
00:36:36,821 --> 00:36:38,322
[Dylan] I was on every
show for like four years.

1000
00:36:38,323 --> 00:36:40,491
[Chanting]
Necro! Necro!

1001
00:36:40,492 --> 00:36:41,450
[Bryce] He goes on to be
in the movie

1002
00:36:41,451 --> 00:36:42,618
"The Wrestler" in 2008.

1003
00:36:42,619 --> 00:36:43,578
[Mickey]
Talk to me about it.

1004
00:36:43,703 --> 00:36:45,037
What do you want
to do tonight?

1005
00:36:45,038 --> 00:36:46,372
[Necro] Are you cool
with the staples?

1006
00:36:46,373 --> 00:36:48,041
[Dylan] Maybe it was
a mainstream moment.

1007
00:36:48,166 --> 00:36:49,291
[Necro] Staple gun?

1008
00:36:49,292 --> 00:36:51,627
[Dylan] But, at the time,
I had more wrestling to do.

1009
00:36:51,628 --> 00:36:53,629
<i>[Announcer]
The Necro Butcher!</i>

1010
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:54,755
[Eddie] We were
in this together

1011
00:36:54,756 --> 00:36:56,257
as independent
wrestlers.

1012
00:36:56,383 --> 00:36:58,926
We were all trying
just to set

1013
00:36:58,927 --> 00:37:01,345
the world on fire with
our wrestling.

1014
00:37:01,346 --> 00:37:03,223
We were misfits,
all of us.

1015
00:37:03,348 --> 00:37:04,724
Even Joe was.

1016
00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:07,602
We saw Samoa Joe's
name getting

1017
00:37:07,727 --> 00:37:09,354
bigger and
bigger over time.

1018
00:37:09,479 --> 00:37:11,980
It was a sense
of pride.

1019
00:37:11,981 --> 00:37:15,943
If any indie guy made it,
we were all proud.

1020
00:37:15,944 --> 00:37:17,903
[Nuufolau] I finished
up with ROH,

1021
00:37:17,904 --> 00:37:20,948
I moved on to TNA Wrestling,
then moved on to WWE.

1022
00:37:20,949 --> 00:37:24,369
And now I currently find
myself in All Elite Wrestling.

1023
00:37:24,911 --> 00:37:26,578
[Dylan] It was
obvious back then,

1024
00:37:26,579 --> 00:37:30,417
what sort of trajectory
that man was on.

1025
00:37:30,542 --> 00:37:33,085
This was a
trajectory that was

1026
00:37:33,086 --> 00:37:35,463
closed to me.

1027
00:37:35,588 --> 00:37:38,716
[Dave] Necro Butcher never
got his WWE run

1028
00:37:38,717 --> 00:37:41,385
probably because he was
such an outlaw.

1029
00:37:41,386 --> 00:37:44,013
His home was
independent wrestling,

1030
00:37:44,014 --> 00:37:46,557
and so it's honestly not
much of a surprise that

1031
00:37:46,558 --> 00:37:49,936
that was where he
really excelled.

1032
00:37:50,061 --> 00:37:51,729
[Nuufolau] Many independent
wrestlers have gone on

1033
00:37:51,730 --> 00:37:53,856
to have lauded
careers...

1034
00:37:53,857 --> 00:37:55,816
all around the world.

1035
00:37:55,817 --> 00:37:57,818
If you ask me why
maybe Necro wasn't

1036
00:37:57,819 --> 00:37:59,987
a part of that pantheon
of people...

1037
00:37:59,988 --> 00:38:02,906
[sighing] you know,
at the end of the day,

1038
00:38:02,907 --> 00:38:05,826
it's just hard to put on a,
on a cereal box, you know?

1039
00:38:05,827 --> 00:38:07,329
[Mad Man] That's the
thing about deathmatches,

1040
00:38:07,454 --> 00:38:09,747
and people just
don't understand.

1041
00:38:09,748 --> 00:38:13,126
They say that we make
hotdogs and handshakes.

1042
00:38:13,251 --> 00:38:15,502
I do believe
that for Necro,

1043
00:38:15,503 --> 00:38:18,005
the crowd would chant
his name and...

1044
00:38:18,006 --> 00:38:20,716
to a wrestler, having a
crowd chant your name,

1045
00:38:20,717 --> 00:38:22,718
sing your song,
that means,

1046
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,846
that means more to us
than anything.

1047
00:38:24,971 --> 00:38:27,848
You're not gonna talk
him out of what he loves.

1048
00:38:27,849 --> 00:38:30,142
He loves wrestling.

1049
00:38:30,143 --> 00:38:32,686
[Dylan] I was going to
Japan like six times a year.

1050
00:38:32,687 --> 00:38:35,272
I'd got to Mexico a
couple times, Puerto Rico.

1051
00:38:35,273 --> 00:38:37,232
And then in 2020,

1052
00:38:37,233 --> 00:38:40,028
I had just come back
from Japan and I-

1053
00:38:40,153 --> 00:38:41,612
I didn't know what
was going on,

1054
00:38:41,613 --> 00:38:43,239
but I knew I
was really sick.

1055
00:38:44,574 --> 00:38:48,077
[Mad Man] So...
I remember when

1056
00:38:48,078 --> 00:38:51,039
I first seen him,
thinking to myself,

1057
00:38:51,164 --> 00:38:53,666
look at the weight
that he lost.

1058
00:38:53,792 --> 00:38:56,711
<i>[Announcer] Butcher!</i>
[Crowd] [cheering]

1059
00:38:56,836 --> 00:38:59,255
[Mad Man] He had
lost a lot of weight.

1060
00:39:00,590 --> 00:39:02,716
Like a lot of weight.

1061
00:39:02,717 --> 00:39:05,053
And, ah...

1062
00:39:05,178 --> 00:39:06,929
I, I didn't understand.

1063
00:39:06,930 --> 00:39:08,764
I didn't know
what was going.

1064
00:39:08,765 --> 00:39:11,016
<i>[Announcer]
He's passing the torch!</i>

1065
00:39:11,017 --> 00:39:13,560
[Mad Man] Shortly after that,
I went to visit him.

1066
00:39:13,561 --> 00:39:15,187
Took us out to eat.

1067
00:39:15,188 --> 00:39:17,272
Right before I left,
that's when he said,

1068
00:39:17,273 --> 00:39:19,191
"Hey, man, if I...

1069
00:39:19,192 --> 00:39:22,319
if I don't talk to you
from this day on,

1070
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,864
just realize I always
appreciated everything

1071
00:39:24,989 --> 00:39:26,115
you did for me."
And I'm like,

1072
00:39:26,116 --> 00:39:27,741
"What are you
talking about?"

1073
00:39:27,742 --> 00:39:29,993
And, ah...

1074
00:39:29,994 --> 00:39:32,663
I'm telling him,
I'm like,

1075
00:39:32,664 --> 00:39:34,915
"If you want me to stay,
I'll stay."

1076
00:39:34,916 --> 00:39:37,793
And he's like, "No."

1077
00:39:37,794 --> 00:39:41,381
So, that's when I found out
that Necro had cancer.

1078
00:39:47,595 --> 00:39:49,805
<i>[Narrator] Diagnosed
with stage three cancer,</i>

1079
00:39:49,806 --> 00:39:52,267
<i>Necro Butcher
fights for his life.</i>

1080
00:39:52,392 --> 00:39:55,352
[Dylan] Turns out I
had Hodgkin's lymphoma.

1081
00:39:55,353 --> 00:39:57,230
I was in a hospital bed for
about nine months

1082
00:39:57,355 --> 00:39:59,107
and had no energy
whatsoever.

1083
00:39:59,232 --> 00:40:01,859
Everything hurt.

1084
00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:04,404
Laying in bed for nine
months gives you

1085
00:40:04,529 --> 00:40:07,406
plenty of time to re-evaluate
things, you know.

1086
00:40:07,407 --> 00:40:10,576
Over the years, I've beat
so many guys up it's not

1087
00:40:10,577 --> 00:40:12,703
even something I keep
track of anymore.

1088
00:40:12,704 --> 00:40:14,913
And after a while,
they just blend together.

1089
00:40:14,914 --> 00:40:17,166
Looking back,

1090
00:40:17,167 --> 00:40:19,001
the Samoa Joe match,
let's be honest,

1091
00:40:19,002 --> 00:40:22,088
that's what people are
gonna remember about me.

1092
00:40:22,213 --> 00:40:24,966
Quite honestly,
I'm baffled sometimes.

1093
00:40:25,091 --> 00:40:26,800
People talk about
this match that

1094
00:40:26,801 --> 00:40:29,262
weren't even alive
when we did it.

1095
00:40:29,387 --> 00:40:31,638
I'm still very
flattered by it.

1096
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:34,433
It is one of the greatest
brawls you will ever see.

1097
00:40:34,434 --> 00:40:36,311
[Eddie] It's a
time capsule, man.

1098
00:40:36,436 --> 00:40:38,938
If people want to know how
the independents were

1099
00:40:39,064 --> 00:40:42,442
from 2000 to 2010,
that was it.

1100
00:40:42,567 --> 00:40:44,193
They made a moment.

1101
00:40:44,194 --> 00:40:45,778
For all of us on
the indies, man.

1102
00:40:45,779 --> 00:40:46,821
Because I'll tell
you right now,

1103
00:40:46,946 --> 00:40:50,491
more people started booking
those kind of matches.

1104
00:40:50,492 --> 00:40:52,661
They were the spark.

1105
00:40:52,786 --> 00:40:55,622
[Dave] Just how believable
that brawl was

1106
00:40:55,747 --> 00:40:57,998
is something that young
wrestlers now draw

1107
00:40:57,999 --> 00:41:02,003
inspiration for what a
fight could be like.

1108
00:41:02,128 --> 00:41:03,838
[Nuufolau] It's wild that
so many people have loved,

1109
00:41:03,963 --> 00:41:06,799
and enjoyed, and taken
pleasure from watching this.

1110
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,636
I just never would have
imagined it would have

1111
00:41:09,761 --> 00:41:11,428
taken on the life
that it has.

1112
00:41:11,429 --> 00:41:13,389
It's cool that...

1113
00:41:13,390 --> 00:41:15,015
that was part
of my journey.

1114
00:41:15,016 --> 00:41:17,310
It's neat.

1115
00:41:17,435 --> 00:41:19,687
<i>[Narrator] As he wages
his battle with cancer,</i>

1116
00:41:19,688 --> 00:41:22,816
<i>the Necro Butcher
discovers a new outlook.</i>

1117
00:41:22,941 --> 00:41:25,401
[Dylan] When I was in the
bed I found something

1118
00:41:25,402 --> 00:41:27,320
that was unshakeable.

1119
00:41:27,445 --> 00:41:29,531
And that was myself.

1120
00:41:29,656 --> 00:41:33,200
In the game of life,
you're not in charge

1121
00:41:33,201 --> 00:41:35,495
of where you start
on the boards.

1122
00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:38,622
The only thing you're in
control of is when you quit.

1123
00:41:38,623 --> 00:41:40,249
It's gonna hurt,
you're gonna suffer.

1124
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:42,376
But you have to
believe in yourself.

1125
00:41:42,377 --> 00:41:43,627
If you can't believe
you can do it,

1126
00:41:43,628 --> 00:41:46,047
then you're suffering
for nothing.

1127
00:41:46,172 --> 00:41:50,968
We did three cycles of
chemo with no improvement.

1128
00:41:50,969 --> 00:41:52,429
And they said, "Alright,
if we don't see

1129
00:41:52,554 --> 00:41:53,888
improvement
on the fourth one,

1130
00:41:54,014 --> 00:41:56,474
we're gonna quit and
that's gonna be that."

1131
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:59,727
Wouldn't you know it,
that fourth one took.

1132
00:41:59,728 --> 00:42:03,064
[Chuckling] And then,
got back into wrestling.

1133
00:42:03,189 --> 00:42:05,692
♪

1134
00:42:05,817 --> 00:42:07,569
[Mad Man] This is
the guy that

1135
00:42:07,694 --> 00:42:11,281
I've seen go
through the craziest bumps

1136
00:42:11,406 --> 00:42:14,658
that you
could ever think about.

1137
00:42:14,659 --> 00:42:17,704
And walk away
unscathed.

1138
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:22,250
But, look at him today.
He beat cancer.

1139
00:42:22,375 --> 00:42:25,419
His hip exploded,
he beat that.

1140
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:26,546
Still punching people
in the face.

1141
00:42:26,671 --> 00:42:28,214
<i>[Announcer]
Good God!</i>

1142
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:29,549
[Mad Man] That puts him
solid in

1143
00:42:29,674 --> 00:42:31,885
the bad
motherfuckers club.

1144
00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:32,968
[Dylan] You know,
I'm not moving around

1145
00:42:32,969 --> 00:42:34,428
great right now,
but I'm moving around

1146
00:42:34,429 --> 00:42:37,098
pretty good
for age 52.

1147
00:42:37,223 --> 00:42:38,975
I'm still out there
on the road.

1148
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:40,727
I'm motivated.

1149
00:42:40,852 --> 00:42:43,229
I just had a rough
match last week...

1150
00:42:43,355 --> 00:42:45,106
about died.

1151
00:42:45,231 --> 00:42:47,609
<i>[Announcer]
Oh, my God!</i>

1152
00:42:47,734 --> 00:42:50,862
[Dylan] I understand the
way we look back at things,

1153
00:42:50,987 --> 00:42:53,281
the further they get
in the mirror.

1154
00:42:53,406 --> 00:42:55,075
<i>[Announcer] And it's
June 11, 2005</i>

1155
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,785
<i>here in Philadelphia!</i>

1156
00:42:56,910 --> 00:42:58,536
[Dylan] That night
in Philadelphia,

1157
00:42:58,661 --> 00:43:01,915
it was my most immediate,
important event in my life.

1158
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,624
Oh, wow!
[Laughing]

1159
00:43:03,625 --> 00:43:05,584
That was better than
I thought. Wow!

1160
00:43:05,585 --> 00:43:08,629
What does any artist
want but for

1161
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:10,798
his art to be
remembered fondly?

1162
00:43:10,799 --> 00:43:13,134
And I think we're past
the point of this being

1163
00:43:13,259 --> 00:43:15,969
remembered more
than fondly so,

1164
00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:17,971
thank you, Samoa Joe.
Thank you.

1165
00:43:17,972 --> 00:43:19,515
[Nuufolau]
The feeling is mutual,

1166
00:43:19,516 --> 00:43:20,767
the thanks is mutual.

1167
00:43:20,892 --> 00:43:23,352
He managed to take a random
afternoon that I was

1168
00:43:23,353 --> 00:43:25,647
not expecting would be
what it was.

1169
00:43:25,772 --> 00:43:28,065
And it's become kind of a
touchstone for inspiration

1170
00:43:28,066 --> 00:43:30,401
in the great zeitgeist
of wrestling.

1171
00:43:30,402 --> 00:43:32,027
You know, to me,
I think that's when

1172
00:43:32,028 --> 00:43:34,446
pro wrestling can be
at its very best.

1173
00:43:34,447 --> 00:43:35,948
<i>[Announcer]
...to the crowd!</i>

1174
00:43:35,949 --> 00:43:39,076
[Dylan] I won 'em over with
my ability to not quit.

1175
00:43:39,077 --> 00:43:41,620
And that's the message
I try to tell people.

1176
00:43:41,621 --> 00:43:44,457
I haven't quit, so
you better not either.

1177
00:43:44,582 --> 00:43:46,333
I've had so many horrible
things happen to me

1178
00:43:46,334 --> 00:43:48,043
when I was young...

1179
00:43:48,044 --> 00:43:51,338
I just wanted to belong
and not be by myself.

1180
00:43:51,339 --> 00:43:53,132
<i>[Crowd chanting]
Necro! Necro!</i>

1181
00:43:53,133 --> 00:43:55,677
And I wanted to connect
with other people

1182
00:43:55,802 --> 00:43:58,512
that had the same
passions I did.

1183
00:43:58,513 --> 00:44:00,306
Just appreciate
the fine art

1184
00:44:00,432 --> 00:44:02,016
that is professional
wrestling,

1185
00:44:02,142 --> 00:44:04,811
and then to contribute
to that fine art, well,

1186
00:44:04,936 --> 00:44:07,147
what more, what more
could a man ask for?