[narrator] Previously on 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way.
Today's the day that me and Isabel are gonna get married.
[cell phone buzzing]
[Gabe speaking]
[Isabel speaking Spanish]
[Gabe sniffles]
[man speaking other language]
Stop wasting my time.
You think you might have a life with somebody and then...
you don't.
You wanna talk about money, but...
You wanna scream at me?
[Kris] Oh, you-- We're done.
[Kris] Goddamn it.
I told you to shut the [bleep] up and you wouldn't listen.
[Gabe] Monica's not coming.
That's crazy.
That's real crazy.
[Marie] It's almost time.
You have to hurry up. We have to get ready.
[Gabe] I feel like I'm going bald, all this stress.
[groans] Oh, my gosh.
- [Marie] Gabe, calm down. - [indistinct]
- [Gabe] It's gonna be... - It's gonna be okay.
[Gabe] Yeah, it's probably fine.
You're looking good.
Even though I'm really disappointed and hurt
that my sister's not coming to my wedding,
I'm feeling very grateful
that my mom is here to support me and,
I'm just gonna take her advice
and just keeping moving forward.
[softly] Okay.
It's my wedding day, I'm supposed to be happy.
Rain, baby, rain!
Perfect.
[Marie] It's supposed to be good luck.
[Gabe] Even though I'm running late,
I decided not tell Isabel what's going on.
I really don't wanna stress her out
or have her worried about how I'm doing
because my sister's not coming.
- Yeah, let's go. - Let's go.
[Gabe] I'm just gonna tell people Monica's sick
'cause I'm not gonna let it take the attention away
from me and Isabel.
It's our day. Not her day.
We're here. We made it.
Oh. Ooh!
[Gabe speaking Spanish]
- [Gabe speaking Spanish] - [Ruben speaking Spanish]
[Gabe speaking Spanish]
[Ruben speaking Spanish]
[Marie chuckles softly]
- [Ruben speaking Spanish] - [Marie speaking Spanish]
[Ruben speaking Spanish]
[Gabe] It feels really good seeing
my mom and Isabel's father together
because it's like, wow, my parents are here
and your parents are here,
and they're like, together.
And it's like they accept our union.
So it's like, it was nice.
It was really nice.
I feel a little bit nervous.
It's a happy moment, right?
I'm nervous, oh, I feel like my throat is...
[Marie and Gabe speaking Spanish]
- Does it look nice? - [Marie] Yes, it looks nice, yes.
- [woman speaking] Spanish - [Isabel speaking Spanish]
[woman 2 speaking Spanish]
- [Isabel speaking Spanish] - [woman 2 speaking Spanish]
[Isabel speaking Spanish]
[Isabel sighs]
[Isabel speaking Spanish]
- [woman 3 speaking Spanish] - [woman 4 speaking Spanish]
[woman 4 speaking Spanish]
[Isabel speaking Spanish]
- [Isabel speaking Spanish] - [woman 4 speaking Spanish]
[Isabel speaking Spanish]
[woman 4 speaking Spanish]
["Wedding March" playing]
[Gabe] I would've never thought that my life would end up here.
I sacrificed everything that I have for Isabel.
I moved everything from the US to Columbia.
- [Gabe speaking Spanish] - [Marie speaking Spanish]
[Gabe] And when I first started my transition,
I thought that, you know, nobody's gonna accept me
to be with like, forever.
But it all paid off.
I found a woman that wants to marry me.
And I'm happy.
Like, who would've thought?
♪ Lights go out ♪
♪ I put my best dress on ♪
♪ You keep a firelight Inside of you ♪
[Isabel speaking Spanish]
[Gabe speaking softly] Hi.
[chuckles softly]
[officiant speaking Spanish]
[officiant continues speaking Spanish]
[Isabel chuckles softly]
[Gabe chuckles softly]
[officiant speaking Spanish]
[chuckling]
[Isabel laughs and speaks Spanish]
[both chuckling]
[Gabe] It feels good to finally find somebody that accepts me.
And I wouldn't have chosen anybody else to be with other than Isabel.
[crowd cheers and applauds]
[Isabel and Gabe speaking Spanish]
[crowd cheering]
- Dip in the water? - [Mahmoud speaking]
Sounds nice.
I've been living in Egypt for five months.
And since I've been struggling,
Mahmoud and I have been talking about moving to US.
He's willing to do it,
and so as soon as his visa is approved,
we're coming to America.
I am so excited about that.
[both speaking other language]
[Nicole] I know that he's only doing it for me,
and he's never wanted that for himself.
So I actually have no idea
if Mahmoud will be happy with me in the United States or not.
It's a nice spot.
[Mahmoud] It's nice.
- [Mahmoud] I'm happy you like it. - I do like it.
[Mahmoud] Mmm.
[Nicole] So we got the email about the visa.
We're getting closer.
Are you ready to...
to move?
Yeah.
[Nicole] Are you worried that our, uh, clothing fight
will continue or get worse in--
[chuckles softly] Well, that's why it's important for us to figure it out.
- So we can just live our lives. - [Mahmoud] Just--
[Mahmoud speaking]
Well, I mean...
I'm hoping that, uh, like...
you could be maybe like, a little less of like, a dictator.
I'm not asking for much.
Just you know, a little less.
Maybe even like to, you know,
just like, in the summer
kind of like, wear a shirt that maybe would be to there.
You know, like...
[Mahmoud speaking]
Uh, well, is there any way
that you could address your own anger about that?
'Cause it sounds like
you may be putting your anger on me, but like,
it's you getting angry.
- [Nicole] Really? - Yeah.
[Mahmoud speaking]
[Nicole] I know.
I-- I just think it's not fair to either of us
that I can't be myself.
Those are the types of things that make me
like, you know, get online and book flights
and just like, ready to leave.
[Mahmoud speaking]
Right, well, I mean, I-- I agree that it's probably not like,
the best thing to do when we're having a fight.
But you wanna talk about what you do?
Or go have little chats?
[chuckles nervously]
Chat with who... [indistinct]
These girls in other countries?
I never did.
[Nicole] Oh, really?
[chuckles nervously]
What I did?
How old are you?
What are you doing?
Did you make it back to your hotel okay last night?
[Mahmoud] Why?
[Kris] Find somebody else to pay your [bleep] bills.
[Jeymi speaking other language]
Go away!
Go away.
[woman 5 speaking other language] Where were you?
[Kris] Bye.
She's a [bleep] crazy, you look?
[Rishi speaking]
And now, she just break up with me.
[sighs deeply]
I like to go to the temple whenever I'm feeling hopeless.
So I asked my friend Nitesh to meet me at this temple.
[Nitesh sighs]
[Rishi speaking Hindi]
[chuckles]
[Rishi speaking Hindi]
[Nitesh speaking Hindi]
[Rishi speaking Hindi]
[Nitesh speaking Hindi]
But I believe in love more than, uh, astrology.
I'm not ready to give up.
I'll fight for us.
[Kris] I'm not gonna sit and be treated like that.
[sniffles]
[Jeymi speaking other language]
[Kris sniffles]
My son just went to jail.
That's why I didn't come back for her birthday.
Because my son got arrested.
[exhales sharply]
[sniffles]
But that don't matter.
'Cause I'm supposed to be here.
[sniffles]
It's selfish is what it is.
[sniffles]
My son got into some trouble with some drugs,
and,
I had to be there to help him.
Although Jeymi seemed very supportive
of what was going on,
that all changed.
It's very hard.
But then she wants to say that I'm not doing anything
for our relationship.
I can't work here.
So, I'm there, working.
For her to sit there and say that
I wasn't helping her,
she hasn't worked, she just started working.
She hasn't been working.
I'm the only one who's been working.
But oh, no, I do nothing to help her.
I send her my...
[speaking foreign language]
[sniffles]
[speaking foreign language]
[sighs and sniffles]
[Kris sniffles]
[bleep]
[sniffles]
You can't
talk about something,
and not let me respond to it.
And that's what you're doing,
I sat here,
and listened to you talk,
and talk, and talk.
And then as soon as I started talking,
you,
were jumping in, you weren't letting me talk.
Kris, you no listen to me
for five minutes.
When you talk about a subject,
are you not gonna let me respond to the subject,
to give my part in it?
I don't get to defend myself on the subject?
'Cause you're talking about me.
[Jeymi] Okay, yes, because I need to tell...
I have too much things in my head, Kris.
- And right now yes, I have a-- - [Kris] How much did I tell you
was the most I could spend for rent?
What?
How much did I tell you that I could spent on rent?
$400.
- And-- - And how much did you get the rent was?
- $500. - [Kris] $550.
I saw it on the contract.
You forgot that I got the contract, it's $550.
And yet, I've still been spending that, I've still been doing it,
- even though it's above my amount. - [Jeymi] Okay.
- Good-- - [Kris] And you wanna talk about money?
Here's what I'll talk to you about,
I'm done!
I'm done with this [bleep],
I'm done with you being selfish and all about yourself.
I'm sorry I wasn't here for your birthday,
but my son comes first always.
And I'm sorry I raised my voice, but I'm done.
That's right,
I'm done!
I'm getting all my [bleep] and I'm leaving and I'm done.
You can do whatever the hell you want, I don't care anymore.
I don't care.
- Okay. - [Kris] I'm done!
[bleep] done!
- [Jeymi] And no listen to me again. - [Kris] Selfish
selfish person.
It's all about yourself and don't give a [bleep] about anybody else
but yourself.
And I'm done.
[Kris] You're so immature.
[Kris] Go [bleep] yourself.
I'm done!
Find somebody else to pay your [bleep] bills.
I tried.
That's it, I'm done. I'm not talking to her any more.
It's just pointless.
[Jeymi speaking foreign language]
[in English] Can we go now?
[Jeymi speaking]
- [Jeymi speaking] - You're talking, just...
Be quiet.
I didn't say that one damn time
- the whole time I've been talking. - [Jeymi speaking]
- [Kris] [bleep] ridiculous. - [Jeymi speaking]
- Ridiculous.
Get the [bleep] away from me.
I came over here to be away from you!
Get the [bleep] away from me.
[Jeymi] I no talk to you.
Go away!
[Jeymi] What happen no?
- Get the [bleep] away! - [woman yelling in background]
- [woman] Stop! - Get away!
[woman] Stop.
- She has some [bleep] crazy... - [woman] I know.
...do you look?
This is [bleep] crazy, not me.
[speaking foreign language]
[sighs shakily]
[speaking foreign language]
[sniffling]
[sobbing]
[speaking Spanish]
[Isabel speaking Spanish]
[speaking Spanish]
[in English] You asked, "Did you make it back to your hotel safely?"
It really crossed some lines.
[soft music playing]
[both chuckling]
[speaking Spanish]
[both speaking Spanish]
[chuckling]
[people speaking Spanish]
[people cheering]
[whooping and laughing]
[Isabel speaking Spanish]
[speaking Spanish]
Mmm-hmm.
[Isabel speaking]
Mmm-hmm.
[Gabe speaking Spanish]
[Isabel speaking]
[Spanish upbeat music playing]
[Ruben speaking]
[Socorro speaking]
[whooping]
[Spanish music playing]
[Isabel speaking]
[both laughing]
[Gabe speaking English] After every thing that I've been through,
I feel like I'm finally where I'm meant to be.
I am really excited for my new adventure
with my wife,
because we have a lot of love for each other
and I just can't wait to grow
together.
[Mahmoud] Why you go through my phone?
You think it's okay?
No, I don't think it's okay.
- [Mahmoud] So, I think it's kinda-- - But I think
it's about as okay as you, uh, having chats with girls.
And you know where you crossed the line.
The other day, we had a fight
because he sometime-- he like,
takes off and doesn't tell me where he's going,
and then doesn't take his phone.
And then I don't have any way to get a hold of him,
find out what he's doing, where he is,
and it irritates me.
And then,
I took the liberty of looking at his phone,
uh, which is total invasion of privacy.
But I did find some chats
from a couple of girls.
One in particular was uh, a girl from China.
I-It started as,
like, there were some TVs,
and she was clearly trying to sell these TVs to Mahmoud,
and Mahmoud thought that she was
being nice or something.
And so he decides that he's gonna like,
chat her up.
He shouldn't be asking somebody
who wants to sell TVs to him
their age,
and like, what they're doing,
and sending like, cute little emojis,
I think that's weird.
It just really surprised me,
you know?
[Mahmoud speaking]
It's not your business to ask most of that stuff,
- yeah. - [Mahmoud] Yes, I know.
This what I did wrong.
You asked, "Did you make it back to your hotel safely",
or whatever, like that was,
to me, pretty inappropriate.
Yeah well, do you see how that seems pretty suspicious?
[Mahmoud] Uh, yes, but...
- [Nicole] I did, yeah. - And nothing's there.
Uh, yeah, I guess, I mean-- still, I still have some,
some anger about it a little bit,
'cause I just don't understand
why you would need to ask those questions.
It was stupid, yeah.
[Mahmoud] Yeah.
[Nicole] One thing that I appreciate is that
you admitted that you crossed a line.
I mean, I'm just gonna move on
because it was just ridiculous.
It could be worse, right?
Like, you could really cross some lines.
- And it was a mistake. - Yeah, I did mistake and I'm sorry about that.
Okay?
Yeah, but just like, let this be your,
your warning, you know?
- Don't do that any more, please. - [Mahmoud] Never.
Okay?
I love you.
I agreed to let these messages go because
I just put it in perspective, like,
people make mistakes.
I really want us to focus on the future.
You know how much I love you and,
want you happy.
Like, about your clothes, so...
Thank you.
And I need to work on things too.
'Cause I don't want all of this junk to go with us.
Yeah.
Because it's not healthy,
and it's just like,
we can't even more forward to do anything.
- [Nicole] It's not. - No.
- Every day we have to work on it. - [Mahmoud] Yeah.
[Mahmoud speaking]
I remember one of the first conversations,
uh, we had when I moved here was about my shirt length,
from here to here, and you stormed off.
- [Mahmoud] Yeah. - And...
Now here we are, and we're...
Sitting here, talking about it, and uh,
doesn't seem to be such a big deal
and you didn't storm off and I didn't buy a ticket.
[chuckles]
- Yeah. - [Nicole] Yeah, I think we did good.
It's really, uh, amazing that we made it
as far as we have,
and we're both willing to
work through all of the junk.
[Mahmoud] Yeah. [continues in other language]
[Nicole] [speaks other language]
[in English] Thank God about that. [continues in other language]
[Nicole in English] When Mahmoud moves to the U.S.,
I'm sure that our life is going to be full of,
like, a whole new set of challenges,
and there's going to probably be some residue
from the stuff that we haven't
fully been able to deal with.
And I'm lucky to have you.
[Mahmoud speaking]
Aw, so are you, sweetie.
I'd like to think that love is enough
to keep two people together.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
I don't know, I mean...
I think we'll find out.
[chuckles]
I love you, too.
You need to move on.
[Indian music playing]
Rishi's been reaching out to me like,
we're still together.
So, I'm on my way
to let him know that,
I'm leaving.
It's been about a week since Rishi and I broke up.
And Rishi has not been taking our break-up well.
In fact,
I'm not sure he understands that it's...
Really over.
I know I'm not like,
allowing myself to feel too much emotion right now.
Probably will be a wreck about this in about a week,
but right now it's just like,
I'm in survival mode, which is,
being very clear with him
about this being over,
and me moving on.
I think it's gonna take me being out of the country
to get him to a place where he understands
that the relationship is over.
Thank you.
- Hi. - How's you?
- Hello. - [man in background] Okay.
[Jen] I got you a chai.
- Thank you. - [Jen] Sure.
Yeah.
Um...
One of the reasons that I wanted us to meet today
was just to kinda like, talk about
how we left things the last time we talked,
and,
make sure that we're both on the same page.
Where do you feel like we stand right now?
[Jen] Well...
With so many things
against us, I just...
I need to move on
and...
You need to move on.
And,
I decided that I'm gonna go back to the United States.
When?
Soon.
This is the last time
we're gonna see each other.
At this point, like,
it's the best thing for both of us.
[Rishi speaking in Hindi]
[sighs]
[in English] I want you to know, I do want you to be happy.
Okay?
[Rishi] I want to say, "Don't go, don't leave me."
But uh...
For me, it's like really hard to
say or express
anything right now.
[Jen] Listen,
it's really hard to let you go,
but I have to let you go
because I need you to let me go, too.
I... wanted to think that it could work,
and I guess I felt like if I...
tried hard enough, that I could make it work,
but I just feel like I have no control right now.
Which is, like, really hard.
[sniffles]
Then I think about the good times that we had together,
and the love that I have for him, and...
I don't...
regret it.
I don't.
I don't regret the relationship.
[pensive music playing]
I'm feeling empty from inside,
and I don't know that
I will ever see Jen again.
But I'm losing the hope here.
And, uh, I'll fight for our relationship still.
Even I know right now that, uh, I have to fight alone.
[Shaun] Coming up on The Other Way: The Couples Tell All.
I'm a cop. I can sniff out [bleep] from miles away.
And you're the biggest [bleep] I've seen in my entire life.
You're lucky Mama gave you a second of her life.
It's been a crazy trip.
I have been violently ill.
[Gabriel] I do not like Kris.
I'm not a fan.
I think that she's full of baloney.
She's like, "Ahh, I'm sick, I'm...
Ahh, my neck, my back, my everything." I'm like...
[speaking Spanish]
Where are you, my love?
Oh!
[Shaun] Tonight, part one
of 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way, The Couples Tell All.
No, no, no, no, no.
- You have proof... - Oh, yes.
When we do go out,
Gabe does pull a lot of women.
I mean, you can see, like, how women respond to him.
He's a mama's boy.
I can't make him choose between his family and me.
I think Rishi didn't stand up to his mother for you.
Yep.
I think he was a coward.
I'm telling you this, bro,
you don't got no balls.
You gotta stick up for your woman.
Well, let me tell you something.
You are so full of [bleep].
You messed with somebody's mama.
You don't do that.
Sixty texts in, what, two hours?
Psychopath.
[speaking Spanish]
[Daniele speaking]
I don't see him changing.
[sighs]
Tell 'em right now.
[sniffles]
[Gabriel] Brah, you literally force her to do everything.
You suppress her
and, like, behind closed doors.
[bleep]
Honey, it's okay. It's okay.
Oh.
[upbeat music playing]
I woke up in New York. It feels great.
But look at this view.
It is beautiful here.
Packin' up now. I'm gonna head to the studio.
I hope Isabel's not late.
I actually can't wait to see her on the screen.
I'm really excited to see Daniele,
and I wanna see Miss Debbie.
There's a lot going on with that story.
[quirky music playing]
[Jen speaking]
I'm like, super excited,
but I'm also nervous.
I have no idea what they're gonna throw at me.
I'm a little nervous about Rishi because
I just really don't know what to expect.
I feel like I'm not going to love... [chuckles]
Debbie's, um, dude in Morocco.
I like to think most people have good intentions, but...
I really question that with Oussama.
I just, um...
It's heartbreaking to watch.
I'm here.
Here we go. It's gonna be a good day.
I know it's gonna be a good day.
It's gonna be a good day.
Mahmoud and I have, uh...
we've gone through a lot of changes.
And I think people are gonna be surprised
at some of the things I have to say today.
- Gabe! - What's up?
Oh, my gosh, it's so nice to meet you.
Oh, you look so nice. [laughs]
- How are you? - I'm good, how are you?
Oh, I'm good, I'm good.
Nice to see you.
- Yeah. I'm nervous. - You look great.
I'm a little bit nervous. Yeah? Thank you.
I'm a fan of the hair.
- Oh, thank you. Thank you. - Yeah.
Yeah. At first I thought it was a wig.
- It's not a wig, though. - Yes.
Some people, I notice, online think it's a wig, too.
'Cause it looks perfect, that's why.
- Oh, thanks. - Yeah. [laughs]
Are you excited?
Do you have, like, one person
you're more excited to see than others?
Um...
I'm not a fan of Mahmoud.
He... Ah.
He's so young to have a mind that's so controlling.
Mmm.
Like, question. Your dress.
Because, um, Mahmoud said you can wear it up to here.
Mmm.
But now you got, like...
You cut the whole sleeve off.
- Is that, like, rebelling or... - I did. I don't know--
Well, here's the deal.
I've decided that this year is the year
that, like, I no longer ask his permission
to be who I am and wear what I want.
So I'm no longer going to enable his insecurity.
That's good.
Because you're one of my favorites.
- Mmm. - So I'm like...
How can you treat her like that?
Like, it was, like, breaking my heart.
Are you gonna tell him that today?
[quirky music playing]
Good morning.
I'm sure Yohan and I will get criticism today about our relationship.
I don't think a lot of people understand us.
I think people are surprised
that I'm willing to say to this beautiful man,
like, I'm not gonna stand for your [bleep].
Like, I think people just think I should
cook and clean for him 'cause he's hot. [chuckles]
I'm gonna handle today
just like I handle every day with Yohan.
I'm gonna be honest and speak my truth,
and he's gonna have to accept it.
Hi!
[Nicole] Oh, Daniele.
- Oh, my gosh, you look beautiful. - Superstar.
- Oh, wow. - [Gabriel chuckles]
Hi!
- Hi. Good morning. - How are you?
How are you guys? You excited?
- Mmm-hmm. - Yeah.
How do you feel about Oussama?
Without, like, being nice, without being mean,
just, like, facts.
Facts? Okay.
I'm sure that he love-bombed the [bleep] out of her
before she ever went to Morocco, right?
And then all of a sudden he changes everything?
But I've had that happen, believe me.
She thought that he accepted her, who she is.
- [Gabe] - And then she gets there,
and he changed everything.
- Yeah? - Yeah.
I think he loves her so much.
And I feel like Debbie loves him.
And I don't think he's using her for visa at all.
Because why did he say that he wants her to go back
and then marry the next time she comes?
I feel like he's genuine.
I think, you know what,
you never know what goes on behind closed doors,
so I'm interested to hear what Debbie has to say
about, like, what actually is in her heart.
Yep.
Oh, my gosh, I'm here.
At the epicenter of temporary insanity.
[laughs]
There's a lot of things that can be stressful about today.
Number one, seeing Oussama.
I just wanna hear what he has to say,
and then I'm gonna dissect those words.
And, you know, sometimes Miss Debbie's emotional
and I can't help it.
And I might say some unkind things.
- Hey! - Debbie!
- Hi, you guys. - Oh, my God, look at you.
[Gabriel] Miss Debbie is here.
You lookin' tight, honey.
[laughs]
Miss Debbie is all about accessories, y'all.
[upbeat music playing]
[Kris] It has been an experience for sure, getting here.
Let's do this!
I have been extremely sick
the last few days.
But nothing gonna keep me from being in New York.
If Jeymi has resentment towards me,
then it's her own fault.
So tell us, how's it going, Kris?
Ooh. It's been a crazy trip.
I have been violently ill,
throwing up in airports.
[Debbie speaking]
[Kris] A trainwreck.
I do not like Kris. Not a fan.
I think that she's full of baloney.
She's like, "Ahh, I'm sick, I'm...
Ahh, my neck, my back, my everything." I'm like...
If I just hop up suddenly and run like heck,
it's okay, I'll be back. [laughs]
That's a lot.
[all] Hi!
Oh, my gosh, so exciting!
[laughs] Live and in person.
[Daniele] I'm so nervous.
- You're nervous? - Yeah!
Daniele, you're thriving better than most of us.
Me, it's like I'm still a work in progress
at 67 years old.
- We're all a work in progress. - Agreed.
- Every single one of us. - Yes.
[laughter]
[quirky music playing]
[dramatic music playing]
[producer] Hey, guys.
[cameraman] Okay, shot one.
One, two, three, four, five.
- Hey, guys. Hi, everybody. - [all] Hi!
How are you? Hello. Hi.
- Hi. - Hi.
Hi, here.
[upbeat music playing]
This is the most exciting time of the year.
We get to commentate. We're not in the hot seat.
- And we get to ask questions. - Right.
And we get answers.
- I can't wait. - Yes.
Like, I'm excited to hear what's going on,
but I'm also excited to go and talk to some of these people.
- I'm more excited to go talk to some of these people. - Seriously.
I'm super excited to meet Debbie.
And Gabe.
Debbie? Really?
Yes. Look at that coat!
Gettin' close.
It's almost time!
I think some [bleep] is about to go down.
[dramatic music playing]
Here we go, guys. All right, ready.
Five, four, three, two, one.
Welcome to 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way,
The Couples Tell All.
I'm Shaun Robinson.
The search for love can lead to unexpected places.
Half of the people here today
experienced that firsthand.
Leaving friends, families, jobs,
and homes in America behind
to move to foreign nations.
Today, we'll be digging into their experiences abroad
and hear the latest on where their relationships stand.
For those who need them,
we'll have interpreters on hand the entire time
so nothing is lost in translation.
And guess what, we have 90 Day alumni,
Tim and Veronica backstage.
As Pillow Talk-ers,
they know these couples better than almost anyone,
and they're ready to give us their unfiltered opinions
throughout the show.
So, we'll be bringing them on stage a little later.
We have so much to get to,
so let's dig right on in.
Debbie and Oussama.
Very nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, too, Shaun. - [Oussama speaking]
Your journey, I tell you.
Have you two been in touch since you left each other?
Mmm.
Osama has tried to communicate with me.
[Shaun] How many times did you try to call her?
Oh, wow. Okay.
And Debbie, you weren't picking up that phone because?
It was just too difficult for me
to wrap my head around what went on in Morocco.
And, you know, I needed to heal myself
and press a reset button.
Clearly, there is more to your story,
so we're gonna come back to you in a few.
Daniele and Yohan, how are you?
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
[speaking Spanish]
You guys left us very unsure
whether your relationship was going to continue.
First of all, I want to know,
are you still married?
Yes, we are still, technically, married.
Technically married?
Yohan, is that what you would call it, "technically married"?
[Daniele laughs]
[Shaun] All right.
We'll hear more about where things stand
and what that "technically" actually means.
Okay.
Jen and Rishi, nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you too.
How are you doin'? Rishi, how are you?
I'm doing good. How's you?
Hi to all of you.
Uh, we're doing just fine.
The last time we saw you,
you guys had a rollercoaster relationship
- and it came to an end. - [exhales]
Have you been in contact at all?
We've talked a little.
- Ah. Okay. - [chuckles]
Can't wait to find out
what those conversations are about.
Gabriel and Isabel.
Hi, there. How are you? Nice to meet you.
I'm good. Nice to meet you, Miss Shaun. How are you today?
I'm doing excellent, thank you.
First of all, Isabel,
what is like in Colombia without Gabriel there?
[speaking Spanish]
- [Shaun] Oh, okay. - Aww.
I miss you more.
Aww.
We'll hear more from Gabe and Isabel a little later.
But first, Nicole and Mahmoud,
how are you? Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
So, first of all, I've got to say,
the thing that I have noticed is,
Nicole, you have dressed much less conservatively
than we saw you throughout the season.
Uh, well, I did send the picture to Mahmoud.
Of course, he chose something,
uh, much different than this.
But I went with this.
- [Shaun] Yeah, 'cause we have skin showing today. - Yeah.
Mahmoud, how do you feel
about the way Nicole has dressed today?
[Shaun laughs] I see.
He's walking very carefully today.
He's walking a fine line.
Is this the outfit you would've chosen for her, Mahmoud?
No.
[laughter]
[Shaun] All right, that's what I thought he was going to say.
We'll hear more about, uh, your relationship
in just a bit.
But now I wanna say hello to Kris and Jeymi.
How you doin'?
- Hey, hey. - Hi.
Um, so the last time we saw the two of you,
you had an explosive fight.
Kris, you said you were done.
Have you two talked since then?
- No. - No.
Wow. Okay.
I can't wait to dig in to your journey
because it seems like there's a lot of she said, she said.
It's gonna be a long dig.
- [chuckles] - Yes, okay.
We have so much to get to,
so let's start with Debbie and Oussama.
Debbie couldn't wait to fly to Morocco
to start her new life with Oussama,
a man over 40 years younger than she is.
But it didn't take long for Debbie to realize
her trip would not go as planned.
Take a look at how quickly the two of them discovered
how far apart their expectations really were.
We have to spend some time in reality.
You're telling me you're not going to marry me
and this is a two-month test drive?
You lied to me.
I don't believe you.
What's your idea
of what comes next for you and me?
You have like a mental sickness or something.
What?
It's all about your future?
No. No, it's not about a visa.
You're a cold-blooded snake right now.
[Shaun sighs]
How do you feel looking back at that?
It's hurtful to see that.
It really is.
You know, the old Oussama I used to know
wasn't a mean person.
But now he's a very mean, unkind person.
Oussama, what is your version
of what happened in this relationship?
I don't know if he's been smoking something
- or what's going on. - [laughter]
[Yohan speaking Spanish]
- Yeah. Stalker. - [Debbie] What?
[Jen] He's like, "Help this young man."
We're not non-profit.
- [laughter] - [Jen] He's a loser.
[Debbie] Like, what-- I don't understand.
I don't how to see...
He's a terrible person.
[speaking Spanish]
[Gabe] I kinda seem, um, Yohan's point,
because it's like you can come and live in his country
and get a visa for his country,
but if he wants to go and live in your country,
it's a problem.
It's like she could be using him to live in Morocco.
But nobody acknowledges that.
But I think Oussama, he messed up.
'Cause she could have gave you, like, the life
that you think you could have had in the United States.
You blew it all.
[Shaun] So, Oussama,
were you really in love with Debbie?
Because she won't let you come to America?
Like, that's the reason you don't love her?
- He doesn't know what love means. - No.
He just doesn't know.
[Shaun] But Oussama, why were you trying to contact her so many times
if you say you don't love her?
[laughs]
- I'm sorry. - [Nicole] I mean, things were clear
before you tried to make the phone calls.
How many times can he lie, like-- Five minutes?
Who makes phone calls to somebody to tell them it's over?
When they're not taking your calls?
[Jen laughs]
- Yeah, Oussama. - [Jen] Okay.
- Yeah, that figures. - [Daniele] You can kind of tell he's a dick.
I'm 24.
Twenty-four, so...
[Oussama speaking]
He was never sincere.
[Shaun] Well, Debbie's son, Julian
opposed her plans with Oussama from the very start.
Let's bring him out here. Please welcome, Julian.
[Julian] Boy, let me tell you something.
You are so full of [bleep]
You messed with somebody's mama. You don't do that.
You're in my world now.
I can sniff out [bleep] from miles away.
The whole time you've been up here you lied.
Trying to use people to come over here for green cards.
Go to the dentist, and get yourself fixed up, man.
Holy [bleep]
[Julian] You messed with somebody's mama. You don't do that.
You're in my world now.
And you're lucky you ain't here.
Yeah. [claps]
[bleeps]
[Jen] Oh, my gosh.
I... I love you.
- Wow. - Yeah.
- Okay. - I just love you.
Wow.
[Julian] This needs to be over with, and his stalker ways.
He better not be calling no more. He better bot be texting.
Sixty texts in what, two hours. Psychopath.
He's saying, " Oh, I love you." Who does that?
[Shaun] Oussama you told us, you were calling her multiple times
to end the relationship.
Did you send Debbie a text that said, "I love you."
[Julian speaking]
[Shaun] Debbie, has Oussama sent you a text saying, "I love you."
Yeah, yeah. He says that he loves me or proclaims he does.
And he doesn't. It's obvious, you know.
You know, I'm a cop.
- I can sniff out [bleep] from miles away. - [Jen laughs]
And you're the biggest [beep] I've seen in my entire life.
- [claps] - You're lucky, my mom
even gave you a second of her life.
Go to the dentist, and get yourself fixed up, man.
Holy [bleep]
[Julian] Trying to use people to come over here
for green cards.
Quit preying off of elderly women
that look like they're vulnerable.
Get a job.
[Shaun] Okay, I wanna switch gears,
and get back to the connection you two have.
Oussama, when you saw Debbie in person,
did you ever have a physical attraction to her?
What are nights in Casablanca?
You can ask her.
We had some wonderful evenings together.
Enjoyed wine, and cheese, and fine food.
And yes, he tried to get amorous with me.
Wait, tried to get... amorous?
[laughter]
[Debbie] But that's normal, you know.
- Say Barry White time. - [Debbie] Yes.
He wanted to get Barry White time with you, right?
- [Debbie] Yes. - [laughter]
- He tried to get some Barry White time, yeah. - [laughs]
[Shaun] Oussama, you said that you planned to marry Debbie
in Morocco, and then come over to the United States.
That true, Mom?
No.
The whole time you've been up here, you lied dude. Not a ounce of truth, dude.
So, Debbie, you guys never talked about bringing Oussama to the United States.
Well, Shaun, it's like,
I did mention it
early on, like a few years ago.
I told him, could you imagine
me applying for your green card?
I said, "The immigration officer would look at the dates
and laugh, and throw our application in the trash."
Wouldn't that just blow your mind Veronica,
if after all this we found out that Debbie was just
- trying to use him for a Moroccan green card. - [laughs]
Yes. Yes, it would blow my mind.
He just seems to like, not like the conflict
- and he'll just lie to anybody and everybody. - Right.
[Tim] He crossed the point of no return with,
when he basically, told her, I'm using you for a green card.
- [Veronica] I'm here for a green card, for sure. - Right, yeah.
But out of every couple here,
- to me he is the biggest scam artist of anyone. - Oussama?
- Yes. - Oh, for sure.
[Shaun] Debbie, let's talk about money.
- [Debbie] Yes. - In the entire time,
that you were in a relationship with Oussama,
how much money do you think you've sent him?
[Debbie] I think, honestly,
probably in over four years,
maybe $2,000, $3,000, which is chump change.
I paid for groceries, for like, day-to-day living expenses,
so, it's like, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
[Yohan speaking other language]
[Kris] I know where she's coming from.
You know, we have big hearts about helping other people.
You're right, Kris.
[scoffs]
You helping people, that's fantastic. That is great.
But there is a snake that was trying
to get into your pocketbook for other motives.
[Julian] Put your big boy pants on, go get a job.
Do what you can, you know, you don't stop and say,
"Oh, I'm just gonna paint pictures and do poetry."
The world takes sweat, blood, and tears.
Sell your paintings to tourists.
Tourists love to buy art from different countries.
- [Gabe] So, he-- No. - [Kris] I'm sorry but--
- Basically, he's saying that-- - [Oussama speaking]
...he only, he only
wants to sell his art to people
- that appreciate his art - [Jen] Yes.
- Yes. - [Gabe] That doesn't make any sense.
- You're limiting yourself. - [Oussama speaking]
- Crazy, this is crazy. - [Jen] Yeah.
Bro, I was like, on your side so much, and you're making me look bad.
[Shaun] All right, Oussama, I wanna circle back to a crucial question.
When Julian first came out, he said
that you had been trying to get Debbie back.
Have you been trying to get Debbie back into a relationship?
[Julian] Dude come on.
Look at all these people, all these strangers here can smell your [bleep] dude.
Well, uh...
Why do you force her to change the way she dresses?
[Gabe] Oh.
So, basically, it's what I say goes or nothing else.
[bleep]
[Shaun] Oussama, have you been trying to get Debbie back into a relationship?
All these strangers here can smell your [bleep] dude.
Thank you, that wasn't hard, was it? [claps]
Yeah, yeah.
You delete his [bleep] off your phone, your iPad, your computer.
I don't want you talking to him again.
- I want you to find a real man. - [Jen] Yes.
[Shaun] So, Debbie, yes or no?
If Oussama reaches out to you after today, will you respond to him?
Probably not. He'd have to... move a mountain for me to respond to him.
What kind of mountain would that be?
You know, he could start by sending me an airline ticket.
- No, see-- - [Jen] Oh.
- See that's what I'm talking about. - [laughter]
[Julian] That's exactly what I'm talking about.
[Daniele speaking]
Well, it's a lot easier to cut after,
- you know, him showing his true colors there. - [Daniele] Yes.
[Shaun] Okay. Oussama, are you open to moving a mountain
to get Debbie back?
Yeah, we'll see text messages in about three days.
[laughter]
[Shaun] Okay.
Well, Julian, we know you are looking out for your mom,
and we appreciate you being here to share your concerns with her.
Thank you. I appreciate y'all.
[Shaun] And Debbie, and Oussama, I don't know where
this relationship is going in the future
but we certainly wish both of you the very best.
- Thank you. Appreciate it. - Thank you.
So much more to talk about, but right now we're gonna take a quick break.
[indistinct chatter]
- I'm okay right now. - [man] Good.
Oh, Julian. Thank you for being here. Give mama a hug.
- [Julian] I love you, Mom. - Oh, that was so hard for me.
[Julian] I know, I know.
It's just that I missed my old best friend,
- and he's gone. - [Julian] He's never-- He's not your best friend.
He's never been your best friend.
- He's a con artist, Mom. - Did you see, he did not look well?
- Did you see his eyes? - [Julian speaking]
[Debbie] Maybe he needs therapy.
[Julian] Maybe you need to stop thinking about what he needs,
and just think about what you need.
Right, right. Well, I'm doing that.
I do not like-- Yeah, this whole, um--
He-- Mom, maybe if he moves this mountain, no. No.
Wrong answer. I don't want-- I don't like that one bit.
Well, I'll tell you, I've never slammed doors, and locked them.
I may have slammed some.
[Julian] You need to lock this one, and throw the key away.
You really do.
- [Debbie] Guess what, Julian? - What?
- This is between you and me, and the fence post. - [Julian laughs] What?
[Debbie] Didn't you think Jen was kind of cute and nice?
Do you think she kind of was like, batting her eyes at you a little bit?
I think, that she is a cool person.
Why you putting me on a spot like that, Mom?
I'm not putting you on no spot. I'm just saying that,
hey, you know, her dude is kind of like,
he's kind of-- Acts like Oussama a little bit.
- The Oussama-- - Well, you got my number, you can give it to her. Okay.
Well, you did good. I'm proud of you.
Let's, let's close this chapter of our lives, and move on.
I think, I got a different purpose in life now.
My time for love is probably, just about over.
[laughs] I don't buy that BS one bit, Mom.
- Well... - You're not a good liar.
You're good at anything that's painting pictures and poetry
but you're not a good liar.
- Yeah, okay. - [Debbie laughs]
[Debbie laughs]
I wanted to be stable with a job,
that way when gets here I can help him.
You're gonna be supporting the both of you?
Initially, I will, I will be, yes.
Would that make you uncomfortable, if she is making all the money?
All right, it is time to move on over to Nicole and Mahmoud.
Nicole and Mahmoud.
[Veronica] They've been married for years, and I'm super curious
to see how he's gonna react when he comes here.
- Bro. - Because it's all fun and games
when he gets to tell her what to do.
How's he gonna feel when he has to assimilate?
They hate each other, and they're never gonna be right, like, come on.
They don't hate each other.
Now the last time we saw you two,
you were discussing moving back to America,
and bringing Mahmoud over here to the States.
Where are you in that process?
Well, I'm living in Los Angeles now.
And in about like, 20 days or so,
Mahmoud has his visa appointment,
uh, so if it's approved then he can come over any time.
[Shaun] That is really quick. So congratulations.
- Yes, congratulations. - So nice it's gonna happen a lot early.
Congratulations.
Uh, so, Mahmoud, how are you feeling
about coming over to the States any day now?
You don't seem really happy.
[laughter]
So, Nicole, you're living in Los Angeles right now,
why didn't you just wait until Mahmoud got his spousal visa,
and come over here together?
I wanted to be stable
with a job and an apartment.
And everything that I needed for myself.
And that way, when he gets here I can help him.
So you're gonna be supporting the both of you?
Initially, I will, I will be, yes.
Mahmoud, would that make you uncomfortable, if she is making all the money?
Mmm...
Hmm, very nice.
Uh, now Mahmoud,
we're gonna talk a little bit more about
your stay in the United States, uh, in a little while.
But I wanna go back, you asked Nicole to marry you
after just a week of knowing her in person, right?
- About a week, approximately one week or so. - [Shaun] About a week. Okay.
So in seven days,
there must have been some sparks a-flying.
[Nicole and Mahmoud laugh]
You know, when I look back at that time, it's like,
I would never have done that like, ever, ever, and so I--
To look back, and think that I did that--
It's crazy to me, but of course,
it would only be with him
- that I would do something like that. - [laughter]
[Shaun] How did you know she was the one, Mahmoud?
[Mahmoud speaking]
[Shaun] Now Nicole, you converted to Islam
just two days before the wedding
Did you think that you really understood the concepts of the religion at that time?
[Nicole] Um...
Uh-- I don't know.
I don't know if I-- I didn't-- There was a lot I didn't know,
and I went, like, head first into, into everything
- in this relationship. Everything. - [Shaun] Mm-hmm.
Was that your preference, Mahmoud that she converted before you got married?
What happens if your child doesn't want to be Muslim?
[Gabe] What if they don't want to?
- 'Cause America-- It's a free country - [Mahmoud speaking]
What if you have a daughter?
Are you gonna force her to wear the hijab, and everything?
I don't think you should force religion on your child.
You literally forced her to do everything.
Don't even say you don't force her to do anything,
'cause you do.
You sound like an idiot.
[bleep]
- [bleep] - [Nicole] You're--
My love,
just, it's okay.
[sobbing] Sorry, everybody.
What if you have a daughter?
Are you gonna force her to wear the hijab, and everything?
- And what if she doesn't want to? - [Mahmoud speaking]
But then, why do you force her to change the way she dresses?
[Gabe] Oh.
So basically, it's what I say goes or nothing else.
- So basically, you're gonna talk to her in private-- - [Mahmoud speaking]
[Gabe] So she doesn't-- Yeah.
It's such a weird thing. It seems like such a superficial thing
to care about, right? But I think,
it feels bad to me to have
to be told what to wear, when to wear it, like,
- that I have to cover-- - [Kris] Are you gonna teach your child
if you have one?
Did they-- Are you gonna make your child
stay true to this faith you are now.
Are you gonna let them choose their own religion
or are you gonna force it on them?
- How, and then they choose. - [Mahmoud speaking]
Will they go to Quranic school here, Nicole?
I'm not sure. I don't have any kids right now,
- so, it's like hard for me to-- [laughs] - [laughter]
[Shaun] So, let me, let me ask this.
If this were a Jewish couple
saying that their kids would be Jewish.
This was a Christian couple saying that their kids would be Christian.
- [Gabe speaking] - Would they get the same type of criticism?
What-- Bro, you literally forced her to do everything.
You suppress her in, like, behind closed doors.
So don't even say you don't force her to do anything, 'cause you do.
You sound like an idiot.
[bleep]
Honey, it's okay, it's okay.
[bleep]
- [bleep] - You're-- It's okay, sweetheart, just tell your...
[bleep]
When he's challenged, he walks away.
[bleep]
[sobbing]
[Shaun] Next time on 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way,
The couples Tell All.
[speaking Spanish]
[in English]
I'm being straight up, women gravitate towards him.
Women are attracted towards him.
So, it's not me that's like, "Oh, I'm the one that, you know."
Telling him to go and do this, and do that.
If he's gonna do something, he's gonna do it on his own.
So she does have some calls for concern.
[Isabel speaking Spanish]
Rishi, you need to tell them.
- Okay, but, uh, they answer-- - Do it. No, no.
Tell 'em right now.
[Jeymi] Come on.
- [Jen] Tell 'em. - [Jeymi] Go, go.
[claps]
[in other language]
Daniele, I think that you emasculated Yohan,
and I think, you carried his balls in your purse.
Wow.
[Mahmoud over phone]
[bleep]
I'm sorry, honey, I can't control what comes out of the mouths of other people.
- But we have to be-- - [Mahmoud speaking over phone]
- [bleep] - ...stronger together.
[bleep]
Where are you my love?
[bleep]