[Shaun Robinson] Tonight, Part 1
of the ultimate tell-all event,
and the couples aren't holding back.
The first time he had sex with this woman,
it was a month before we got married.
Two weeks ago, she sent me, like, a four-page email
and detailed their relationship.
[speaking Spanish]
[in English]
What is Brandan like when he gets mad?
I do sometimes call her a scammer.
I call her a bitch.
[Shaun] Angela, what could Mary possibly do
to Brandan that would make him call her some of those words?
Do you guys want to talk about the last incident?
[Shaun] Holly, I understand you've actually
been back in the States for a while.
How long has it been?
-Four months. -[Daniele] Whoa.
[Shaun] Oh, whoa.
Wayne, are you thinking about ending this relationship?
Yeah, I don't know.
I understand. Look at how she acts.
Where did she go?
[Shaun] And for the first time,
we'll be joined by four 90 Day veterans.
Each with a connection to our couples.
Tim, you and Kenny are friends.
Did you give them any advice
on the baby decision?
-Actually, I did not. I-- -Yes, he did.
I just feel like Kenny's gonna
dedicate the rest of his life to that child,
and he's doing it more for Armando than himself.
Respect India or don't be here.
Your opinion doesn't matter to me, Jenny.
Keep your ass in America.
Are you seriously coming up to me and confronting me?
Sit down.
So get out of my face. Goodbye.
He's a dick.
[Shaun] And it all begins now.
Hi. Good morning.
-Good morning. How are you? -How are you?
Good. Good.
Once me and Kirsten broken up, I have not spoken to her.
But I have been seeing social media,
and the lies...
The lies, the lies.
Things aren't always the way that they seem.
I'm excited to clear some things up, man.
You know, I'm just like, it's...
I'm just waiting for my turn to speak.
I'm ready.
[both laughing]
[Kenny] I love being back in the States.
I'm still like a fish out of water
a little bit in Mexico.
But we have
some big news to share today,
so I think some people will be really happy about it,
some people are gonna be, like,
"What the hell are you thinking?"
But I don't really care what they think.
-Hey. -Hey.
-How are you doing? -Good. How are you?
-I'm Julio. Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. I'm Kenny.
-How are you doing? -I was actually gonna wear that same color.
-Really? -No lie. No lie.
-I'm glad I didn't show up in it. -[both laughing]
That's funny.
[Holly] I was really nervous to come to New York at first.
I think it's gonna be really hard for me.
The way things stand now, it's really confusing between me and Wayne.
And I'm not really sure where we stand.
I don't know, it just...
It's upsetting and it's confusing.
-Watching-- -Hey.
-Look at you.
Can I have a hug?
-Of course. How are you? Nice to meet you. -I like your suit.
I'm Julio. I like your dress.
I'm excited to meet you guys so we can all trauma-bond.
[both laughing]
A big therapy session.
Holly,
um, I think she's a very
vulnerable, sweet, naive person.
I can see where she gets hurt
and taken advantage easily.
Aw, jeez. You're already making me... [mimics crying]
-Feel the connection. Feel it. -Do you feel it?
Feel the connection.
Hi.
Ever since Yohan announced that he wanted a divorce,
my life has been a complete rollercoaster.
I feel like today's all about vindication.
For sure.
I've been the villain and Yohan's really a piece of[bleep].
So now I feel like...
I have a lot of receipts
that I'm coming to this tell-all with,
and I'm going to confront Yohan with all of it.
He has no idea what he's in for.
-How are you? -Good. How about you?
Good. Thank you.
It is hard to be in New York alone.
I miss Turkey. And I miss Sarper.
So my heart is there.
I know people have a lot to say about his past sex life,
but they aren't the ones sleeping with him.
There are certain people on the show that I'm ready to call out today, actually.
So many toxic relationships.
So many.
I don't think they're ready for it, to be honest.
-Hi, guys. -[Kenny] Oh, hey.
-[Shekinah] How are you? -How are you?
Hi, Holly. How are you, honey?
-Hi there. -Nice to meet you.
Hi, I'm Shekinah.
-You look beautiful. -Thanks. You look handsome.
-Nice to meet you. I'm Julio. -Hi there. Oh. Hello.
Holly is a lot.
If I could give her some advice, I would just say,
"Leave your shoes on.
And don't run away from everything."
You just can't run away from issues as an adult.
You have to face them head on.
[Kenny] So, you guys,
you got some opinions on some people?
[Shekinah] Let's see.
Well, I said hello to Daniele and she didn't say hi back, so...
-[Holly] She didn't? -[Shekinah] No.
She just kinda seems like she's superior to everyone.
Like, she's on another level and, like,
she's too good.
[Kenny] Oh, really?
That is weird.
-I'm sorry. -[Shekinah] Mm-hmm.
That's okay.
I'm not here to make friends.
I don't care.
If she doesn't like me, you know, that's fine.
Good morning, Kimberly.
Good morning.
Getting married to TJ has been a definite adjustment.
Nobody told me how much marriage sucks.
And it does.
Living with TJ's family is just as you would expect.
I don't think that they care to understand my perspective.
I'm sure people will try to call me
spoiled or entitled.
-And, um-- -I could see that.
-Yeah. -Um...
-Hi! -[Julio] Hey.
-[Holly] Hi, Daniele. -[Daniele] Hi, everyone.
[Holly] Your hair looks pretty.
-[Daniele] Thank you much. Nice to meet you. -I like your dress.
Thank you.
Are you still in the DR?
-I am. -Oh, wow.
[Shekinah] I never really cared for Daniele.
I don't know, something about her rubbed me the wrong way.
I felt like she had very specific reasons
to choose Yohan as a partner.
I think she liked the way he looked,
she liked the size of his [bleep].
But I think she went into that relationship
looking to change him.
And I felt like she kinda manhandled him.
-[Kenny] Hi. -Hi.
-[Kenny] How you doing? -Good. How are you?
Hi.
-You look cute. -You look cute too.
-[Kimberly] Thank you. -So how does it feel to be back in the US?
It's really good. I don't want to leave. [laughs]
-[Shekinah] Really? -Yeah.
[Daniele] I can understand why Kimberly was upset in India.
I feel like
TJ's just expecting her to live like a servant,
and that's not how she wants to live.
She's clearly an independent woman.
He should've known that when he met her.
I do have a problem with the way that you treated Kirsten.
-How so, like... -[Shekinah] I think it was so
cold and harsh.
And she didn't deserve that.
[Julio] Well, I think that
there were a lot of things that
I was doing to somewhat protect her
or so I felt like I was protecting her.
Wait. How were you protecting her
in the way that you ended the relationship?
Oh, because there's things that I kept secret
that I really didn't want to speak on with our relationship.
[Daniele] So you're saying that Kirsten did something
-and you kept it a secret. -[Julio] So I kept... Yeah.
There were things that
happened between us that I just wanted to keep between us.
Now, during--
-Like bad things or... -Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, yeah. Like, kinda like that...
[Julio] Yeah.
I have a couple of things that
I think I've been quiet about
that I really want to speak on.
And I'm a little excited in a way to, like,
finally just let that out and clear some things up.
Let's go.
-[Julio] All righty. -[Holly] Yeah.
-[Kenny] Let's do it. -[Julio] Let's do it.
Babe.
But can they see us?
Oh, there's Mary.
-Mary and Brandan? -Uh-huh.
Who's that guy?
-Um... -Wayne?
[Shaun] Hi, guys. Good to see you again. Hi.
-[Holly] Hi. -Hi there.
[producer] All right, guys. Quiet, please.
Five,
four, three, two...
Welcome to 90 Day Fiancé: The Other Way
The Couples Tell All.
I'm Shaun Robinson.
You know, long distance relationships
can be hard, but just because a couple
closes the distance between them,
it doesn't mean their issues disappear.
Tonight, we'll discover why some couples found happiness
and others did not.
We'll also see what the future holds for everyone.
We have a lot to cover, so let's get to it.
I want to start with Kenny and Armando.
Good to see you guys again. How are you?
-Hola. -Hello.
We're good.
Now, Armando, you are speaking to us
from a new place. Where are you?
We're in Mexico City.
[Shaun] Wow. Congratulations.
I can't wait to hear about the new move
and how you're enjoying it.
But first, I'm gonna go over to Brandan and Mary.
How are you guys? I'm so sorry you could not make it to the tell-all.
But you have a very good reason, right?
[Brandan] Yes. Yes, we do.
I don't want to leave Mary alone with our new baby.
[Shaun] Your new baby. Congratulations.
[Brandan] Thank you.
And what did you name your daughter?
-Midnight. -Midnight.
[Shaun] Midnight.
[Brandan] It's a unique name.
[Shaun] Yes, it is very unique.
And we want to hear about life with the new baby
and how things are between you guys,
Mom and Dad.
But first, I want to touch base
with Daniele
and Yohan. Wow.
[Shaun] And just so everyone is aware,
we have translators on set for Yohan.
Okay. So, the last we saw you, the relationship was over.
Daniele, are you still separated?
[Shaun] You are?
[Shaun] I know you have a lot to say about that and I want to hear
Yohan's response later.
Kimberly and TJ.
-[Kimberly] Hi. -How are you?
-Good. How are you? -[Shaun] You look very beautiful.
TJ, how are you?
[Shaun] Good. Uh, I can't wait
to find out how things are going between the two of you,
especially with TJ's family.
Now, I want to go over
to Holly and Wayne.
-Welcome. -Hello.
[Shaun] I'm good, Wayne. Thank you for joining us.
It's very nice to meet you. And,
um, Holly, I understand
you've actually been back in the States for a while.
-How long has it been? -Four months.
Four months.
[Holly] Yeah.
[Shaun] Wayne, what has it been like
being without Holly for so long?
Um, it hasn't been fun, that's for sure.
[Shaun] All right. We'll dig more into that
in just a moment.
But right now, I'd like to welcome
Julio and Kirsten.
-Or should I say Julio? -Hello.
I never said I want to be called Julio.
-[Shaun] Really? -[Julio] Yeah.
I think that, you know,
with my travels around the world,
in Europe they pronounced the J's like that
and I just never corrected anyone, it's just...
-It's the way that they say it, you know. -[Shaun] All right.
-Yeah. -But Julio
-is how you would like to be called, yes. -Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
-Julio is fine. -[Shaun] All right.
Kirsten, how are you doing?
Hi, how are you? I'm good.
[Shaun] What is it like seeing Julio today?
We have a lot to discuss with you two
and what happened to your relationship,
so we will dig into that a little bit later.
Shekinah and Sarper. How are you?
We're great.
[Shaun] Wow. Uh...
How is your relationship today, Shekinah?
It's great. It's amazing.
It's the best relationship I've ever been in.
Wow.
Sarper, what is it like to hear Shekinah say
this is the best relationship she's ever been in?
It is the first relationship.
Yeah, it's a first for him.
[Shaun] Okay.
[whispering]
[Shaun] Well, we have a lot of questions
for the both of you,
especially about those
2,500 women,
Sarper, that you said you've been with.
Yeah.
Did you ever catch anything?
-[Sarper] Oh, my God. -Armando.
Wow.
[Sarper] Oh, my God.
-That's good. -Yeah.
[Shekinah] I do that at the beginning of every new relationship
that I'm entering,
so it wasn't something unusual for me to do.
And I provided the same...
Okay, babe.
[Shekinah chuckles awkwardly]
I was a virgin before I met him.
[Shaun] All right. Well, we are going to discuss that
a little more later.
But before that, I want to bring out
some very special guests.
These seasoned 90 Dayers
have each gone through their own 90 Day journeys.
From heartbreaking infidelity,
dealing with overbearing family members,
traveling to these countries,
or having a personal bond,
they all have some connection to these couples.
Please welcome
Tim, Kalani,
Andrei, and Tania.
Hey, guys!
Oh, my goodness.
-Hello. Good to see you. -[Andrei] Hello.
[Shaun] Welcome. Welcome.
-Hello, everyone. -[all] Hey.
[Kalani] You guys look lovely.
How are you all feeling?
[Andrei] Uh, pressure much?
-[Tim] Nervous? -[all chuckling]
[Shaun] I know that each of you can personally identify
with different aspects of these couples' stories,
and I'm excited to hear your thoughts.
We know that you have a lot to say.
Appraise and criticism.
So, uh,
is everybody ready?
-[Kenny] Ready. -[Julio] Get to it.
All right. Let's get started
with Kimberly and TJ.
So, Kimberly, are you still living in the apartment
above TJ's family?
-Yes. I'm still living in the apartment. -[Shaun] All right, so,
when you first went to the apartment,
you were saying things just weren't right.
[TJ speaking]
They didn't do it right.
They didn't do any of this right.
I'm giving up everything in my life,
and you can't follow through on this one thing for me!
No, you're supposed to be my partner and you're failing at it.
[Shaun] TJ, do you think that
Kimberly was overreacting in that situation?
[Shaun] Now, considering that TJ took out this
seven-year loan to finance the apartment,
is there anybody here who feels that
Kimberly wasn't being appreciative
of what he did?
I don't think she was
giving him enough credit
for the effort that he put into it.
-[Kenny] It's the way she said... [mimics scoffing] -[Shekinah] Yeah.
The delivery was off.
-[Kenny] Mm-hmm. -Sorry.
That's fine.
Kim, did you know that he took the seven-year loan?
No. He never discussed
-having that loan with me. -He never told you that? Okay.
I'd be more concerned about that.
[Shaun] And what did you think when you found out?
Um, I thought that I should've been informed about that.
How much money are we talking about?
-[Andrei] Oh, yeah? -Oh, you don't?
How much money did you take out?
-Oh. -[Shaun] Oh, wow.
Kimberly, you're just finding about that right now?
-Yeah. -[Kalani] Oh, wow.
[Shaun] TJ, how come you did not tell Kimberly
-that you took out this loan? -[TJ clears throat]
[Kimberly] I didn't know about the amount.
I didn't know that it was a loan.
Did you ask these questions?
-No. -[Shekinah] So she didn't ask.
[Kimberly] I mean, I get it,
'cause in his tradition,
he only vows to let me know about properties
and financial decisions after marriage.
So you could've married into, like, a lot of debt
-and not even know? -I could have.
[all laughing]
At least it was only 12,000.
Just $12,000.
I got lucky.
[Shaun] Okay. I want to bring in two people
who were eager to join us today
and weigh in on Kimberly and TJ's relationship
because they've had similar experiences.
Joining us remotely from India,
please welcome
Jenny and Sumit.
Yay.
[Shaun] Hey, guys.
Good to see you.
[both speaking Hindi]
So I'd love to get your take
on Kimberly and TJ's relationship.
What were some of the things that stood out to you?
Oh, God. Where do I even begin?[chuckles softly]
[Jenny] Uh, first of all,
Kimberly, to me, seemed very unappreciative
of everything.
What she got
was amazing, to me, and she appreciated nothing.
And her saying "I hate India,"
it broke my heart.
-Yeah. -Like, that broke my heart.
I can't believe she said that.
Your opinion doesn't matter to me, Jenny.
Well, your opinion doesn't matter to me either.
-First of all, respect India. -Okay.
Respect India, or don't be here.
[Kimberly] I don't want to, darlin'.
I don't want to.
Don't call me "darlin'." I am not your darlin', okay?
Keep your ass in America.
[Shaun] Okay. Wow.
[Jenny] You can laugh all you want, but you know what?
You're a very entitled,
little spoiled brat, is what you are.
You're a [bleep].
[all exclaiming]
Oh, she called you a... She called you the C-word, girl.
[Jenny] Come to India, honey.
Come to Jaipur, I'd love to meet you.
Come on, baby. I'll give you my address.
Oh, okay. Okay.
Shekinah, for him to talk to you like that, period,
is disrespectful,
and then to do it in front of your sister
is also super disrespectful.
[Kenny] Or taking something out of your mouth.
And hitting it on the floor.
[Daniele] Yo, that was it for me.
That lollipop would've been up his ass.
[Daniele] Did she not trust you or did you not trust her?
-I didn't trust her. -[Sarper] Julio.
I think so.
[Jenny] Come to India, honey.
Come to Jaipur, I'd love to meet you.
Come on, baby. I'll give you my address.
Oh, okay. Okay.
Kimberly, I think... I mean, you're being disrespectful to them.
I don't feel like I was being disrespectful.
[both chuckle]
TJ. What the hell, man?
Uh...
I think it's a defense mechanism,
because that response felt like not warranted by...
That's where part of your problem is, like, with him,
it's 'cause you elevate it.
Like, you don't try to bring it down. You keep bringing it up.
She's doubling down on it.
She's not sorry.
I'm not sorry. No.
Kimberly, do you feel that you have been
disrespectful to the Indian culture?
No, I do not.
Yes. Yes!
Please, Kimberly.
Stay out of India. Please, don't come back.
Kimberly, uh, you've heard
a lot of people here
say that you escalate
as opposed to bringing the argument down.
I want to take a look at an example of this
from a fight you had with TJ.
Let's take a look.
[Kimberly] I don't think
that whenever you and I get into an argument,
that it's healthy for you
to just go down there and not talk to me.
That's not how a marriage works.
That's a problem.
Yeah, that's a problem.
Tejaswi, I have asked you multiple times
not to dare call me crazy.
I don't call you an [bleep], I don't call you a dick,
I don't call you a titty baby.
-Titty baby? -Titty baby.
Don't you dare call me crazy.
What else you expect from me?
Maybe give me a [bleep] hug
and say, "I'm sorry, you're [bleep] depressed!"
[Kimberly] I don't want to separate from you!
-No, I said I don't! -[TJ] You said...
-God damn it! -[TJ] ...me several times.
-You said several times. -[screams maniacally]
Shut up!
Ugh.
-[Shekinah speaking] -Oh, my God.
The way that she comes at him,
and the way she speaks to him
is with 100% disrespect.
And screaming like that,
um, why?
[Julio] TJ, have you seen this side of Kimberly before
or just when she moved to India?
[Kimberly] TJ and I, we're still learning each other
with the communication gaps we have.
So, I don't think that we're going to learn unless we have these bumps
in the road.
Kimberly, like, everything was handed to her on a silver platter.
Me, I had to fight for all of it.
I was respectful to his parents
-the whole way through. -Yeah, whole way.
I was always respectful
to India.
I never complained.
But you are horrible.
Kimberly, you had used a word
during an argument with TJ.
-Oh, titty baby. -[Shaun] Yeah.
Have you ever called him that before?
Um... [chuckles]
-Am I allowed... Should I say it, baby? -Yeah.
Say it. Yeah.[chuckles]
I told him that he needed to get off his mom's teat.
[Shaun] Ooh. Okay.
Why did you say that?
[Kimberly sighs] Um,
just, like, whenever we get into an argument,
he would go downstairs and stay downstairs for days.
-[Shaun] For days? -[Kimberly] Days.
-[Armando] For days. -For days.
-[Kimberly] And not talk to me. -What?
The most we went I think was 72 hours.
-[Andrei] Ooh. -[Shaun] Whoa.
Jeez.
Look at how she acts.
I would go downstairs for days too.
She put herself in the situation
and then she's playing the victim.
She brought her American attitude with her to India, you can't do that.
So, right now, if I could do it over again, I would do things differently.
There you go.
[Kimberly] But
I like that I was able to learn
from saying those things they way I said them.
[Shaun] Well, Jenny and Sumit,
it is always a pleasure speaking with you.
Any final words on how to make a marriage work
between an American and an Indian?
You need to lose that attitude a little bit.
It's really out of control.
All right. Jenny and Sumit, thank you so much for being here.
We're gonna hear more from Kimberly and TJ a little later.
-[Jenny] Thank you, Shaun. -[Sumit] Thank you, Shaun.
-Bye, everyone. -Bye.
Now we are going to shift over to Shekinah and Sarper.
There were several aspects of this relationship
that rubbed viewers the wrong way.
Let's take a look at some moments that had people talking.
-Do I want you to weigh me? -Yeah.
You know your target.
What was it?
128.
I know if she comes to that target,
she will have the physique that I want.
Let's see.
-[Shekinah] Wait. [gasps] -[Sarper] Ooh.
-[Shekinah] That can't be right. -Four pounds off.
[Shekinah] Oh, my God.
[both speaking foreign language]
[Shekinah] We've talked about him having female clients
and kissing women on the cheek,
and we agreed that
he's not gonna do that, and he's doing both.
You're being so bitchy, no?
You're gonna call me a bitch right now when I'm upset?
[mumbling]
-[Shariyah] Wait. What? -Slut.
My sister acts like a slut?
I mean, bitchy.
That's, like, [bleep] up.
Shekinah, how do you feel watching that again?
-Um, I see how it looks. -[Shaun] Yeah.
You know. It doesn't look great.
It looks like he is kind of an [bleep].
For him to talk to you like that, period, is disrespectful,
and to do it in front of your sister
is also super disrespectful.
Or taking something out of your mouth.
And hitting it on the floor.
[Daniele] Yo, that was it for me.
That lollipop would've been up his ass. I'm not even playin'.
Sarper, are you still weighing Shekinah?
I'm a control freak.
I want her to
eat what I want.
If someone doesn't have some sort of control over me,
I feel like they don't care about me.
-Yeah. I do too. -[Holly] Like, they don't care...
So, I actually relate to you in that way and understand.
Yeah, and he's excited to have somebody that
is submissive.
[Sarper] Yeah.
And now that you two are apart,
does he still tell you what to do?
[Shekinah] We don't talk on the phone, but he does send me voice messages.
You know. Like, for example, he sent me some this morning,
and he just told me, like, you know, how to behave today,
how to look, you know, what to eat.
What?
That is ridiculous.
-I mean, let me play them for you... -[Shaun] Okay, yeah, yeah.
...so you can see how he tells me.
What you called Jenny,
-do you regret that? -No.
You should.
She's showing us a side of her
and the reaction she's getting, she deserves.
Shekinah can go [bleep] herself.
She has something negative to say about
everybody's relationship,
but also doesn't want to look at hers.
-I mean, let me play them for you... -Okay, yeah, yeah.
-...so you can see how he tells me. -Okay.
The way he delivers it is loving and it's endearing.
-It's not controlling. -[Shaun] Okay.
-I don't know if you guys can... -[Sarper speaking over phone]
You're being exposed, babe.
[Sarper speaking over phone]
Sorry, I didn't do that.
-It's all good advice. -Whoa. Okay.
-[Shekinah] It's all good advice, though. -[Kalani exclaims]
This is good advice. It's not anything unreasonable.
You don't view any of that as toxic, Shekinah, at all?
Did he sound mean?
-Did he sound controlling? -She's saying 'cause the way he sounds,
-she says it's nice. -He's so sweet.
So it almost feels like manipulation.
[Shekinah] I look at him as like my leader.
And he's leading us.
I know that she likes to be controlled.
I mean, it's her character, and mine is controlling, so,
-we are a perfect match. -We're the perfect match.
We are unusual, yeah.
Wow.
It sounds like
you're dealing with two people
who, like, have really
severe, like, toxic traits,
and they've decided to love each other
because they both accept each other's toxic traits.
I know that it looks controlling,
but I don't feel like I'm being controlled by him.
Doesn't it seem like a lot of pressure to be perfect?
He's not telling me to be perfect.
I think he is.
-[Shekinah] I don't think he is. -I think he is.
[Julio speaking]
He doesn't make me do anything.
[sighs]
[Shaun] Okay. I have another topic I want to move on to.
We reached out to
Shekinah's sister, Shariyah,
to join us today, but she declined
saying the two of them had a falling out.
Instead, she sent us a video statement
she wanted us to play.
I probably already know what she's gonna say.
Shekinah, I don't think that
Sarper is a good partner for you
because I haven't seen anything from him
-that makes me think that he is... -Oh, my God.
...an honest person.
He has no respect for you.
He has no respect for women.
That's not the kind of person you want to have in your life.
-You can shut this off now. -Who you want to bring around Sophie.
You know, I had thought about
a message for you, Sarper, but...
[Sarper] Oh, my God.
...I feel like anything that I could say to you,
you're not gonna be able to process it
because you haven't developed mentally yet.
-What a bitch. -So I feel like
-I can't relate. Um... -Wow.
I don't really want to waste my time even trying.
Yeah, my relationship with her is done.
My family is so negative.
They could not be more unsupportive,
and I actually
don't even talk to anyone in my family since the show.
Who in your family do you not talk to?
There are six of us, sisters.
[Shaun] So, six sisters--
And my mom. I don't talk to my mom.
Wow.
-And it's all because of your relationship with Sarper? -Yes.
Wow.
And I know if they met him, they would love him.
-Well, your sister's met him. -[chuckles]
So she came in guns blazing and she succeeded.
You know. He was not
at his best that day.
She is happy. She is happy.
Forget everything. She is happy.
It's not okay that she's just happy with you, though,
everybody needs a support system.
It takes other adults in someone's life
to make a full, fulfilled person.
It does suck that my family is now,
you know, basically not in my life.
Cutting off family is a big deal.
[Shaun] Okay.
We're gonna hear more from Shekinah and Sarper
a little later.
And we'll be back.
-[Shekinah] Uh... -So, about your food...
[Kimberly] Thank you.
Thank you.
Appreciate that.
What you called Jenny,
-do you regret that? -No.
You should.
That was really harsh.
You have zero remorse?
It's part of a process.
[Kenny] I think it's a little bit of a cop out.
You have to be humbled and say,
"Okay. I really did f up."
Yeah, just a little more humility would go so far.
I think that Kimberly needs to have more respect for people in general.
Not just Jenny, but her husband, his family.
I think she's rude.
-She's really a compassionate, caring person. -[Shekinah speaking]
[Holly] She really is compassionate, I promise, like, she is.
You don't need to try to sell us on her.
I'm not trying to sell you on her.
She's showing us a side of her,
and the reaction she's getting, she deserves.
[Kimberly] I feel like
Shekinah can go [bleep] herself.
She has something negative to say
about everybody's relationship
but also doesn't want to look at hers.
Julio.
Looking back, do you think you were a bit cold
during that conversation?
Well, that was, you know, that was...
We were having our trust issues.
The trust issues was the major aspect of it.
[Kirsten speaking]
[Shaun] Okay, everyone.
We're gonna move on now to Julio and Kirsten.
After Julio unexpectedly decided
not to move to the Netherlands,
Kirsten cut off all communication with him,
and they haven't spoken to each other at all
until now.
So, let's take a look at their final interaction.
For now, I just think I have stuff at home
that I have to work out with my family, you know.
[Julio] You can't put a timeline on things.
You can't just be like, you know,
"You have three to make a decision.
If that's the way you...
If that's how you want to look at it, then...
I guess we'll just end it on that note.
[chuckles]
'Cause you're saying...
[Kirsten] That's disrespect...
[Julio speaking]
[Julio] I'm sorry.
Looking back, do you think you were a bit cold
during that conversation?
Yeah. I think the way that I handled it
could've been better.
I think you had just gotten over it, you checked out,
you realized she wasn't the right one.
But you kind of misled her
a little too long,
making her think that the dream and the move was still gonna happen,
because probably you just felt bad.
Because you knew you were gonna hurt her.
I agree with you.
But I was looking at that misleading as hope.
I was looking at it as the hope that
that trust and communication problem that we were having
was gonna get better.
You know, we were having our trust issues.
The trust issues was the major aspect of it.
[Daniele] Did she not trust you or did you not trust her?
[Julio] Well, I didn't, really
-trust her. -[Sarper] Julio.
Julio, may I ask you something?
Kirsten, is there anything that you want to say?
[Kirsten speaking]
[Shaun] Julio, do you think that
Kirsten cheated on you?
I think so.
[Shaun] Oh, wow.
I knew it.
I'm tired of beating around the bush
and making it seem like I'm a horrible person
for trying to protect you.
Can I get my phone please?
I don't think she knows. I was recording her.
-Oh, yes. -Ooh.
Oh, my God.
[Shaun] Julio, do you think that
Kirsten cheated on you?
I think so.
Oh, wow.
Wow.
-Ooh. -[Julio] Um, Kirsten,
-can you-- -I know what you're doing, Julio.
-Julio... -What--
He's exposing you, honey.
With what? With what?
[Julio] When I was living there in the Netherlands,
Kirsten ended up going
dress shopping for this event that we had to attend.
And in the gist of those photos,
I see a photo of a man.
And I'm like, "Who is this?" She's like, "Oh, no, that's just a friend."
I'm like, "Okay. Just a friend."
But I don't know who this guy is.
What made you think there was an inappropriate relationship?
When I asked her to show me their conversations, and,
you know, them saying, "Oh, I can't wait
to meet your family. Can't wait to see you."
They were calling each other, like, you know, Mamiand Papi.
And I'm like, this is extensive, like,
the feelings were there.
He is literally my friend.
And now you're bringing this up as an excuse
because you're trying to save yourself?
[Julio] I'm tired of beating around the bush
and making it seem like I'm a horrible person
for trying to protect you.
Let me finish with the story.
So now, Kirsten pretty much
grabs my phone,
locks herself in the bathroom and deletes
the conversation that I recorded with her and this guy.
[gasps]
-You recorded a conversation with Kirsten and the guy? -[Julio] So I had...
-I had... -[Kirsten] We were on a fight.
So, I had the phone
recording the conversation, obviously, of the proof of all of this.
I didn't do nothing with him.
I didn't even kiss him.
That... You can mentally cheat.
Kirsten, if this guy was just a friend,
why did you delete the conversation with him?
I did not delete a conversation.
So you didn't delete the conversation that I had with the guy on my phone?
No. You were filming me and you were saying,
"Oh, I've been cheated on. I've been cheated on."
Okay. So, Julio wants his phone.
Can we bring his phone to him?
[chuckles]
Oh, my God.
[Shaun] What's on your phone now?
So that's when I decided
to go in the room and question her
and ask her about these things
that she did, and I was recording her.
-Oh, yes. -Ooh.
Play it.
[Julio] I don't think she knows. I was recording her.
[Shaun] Next time on 90 Day Fiancé: The Other Way
The Couples Tell All.
We haven't spoken in two-three weeks.
[Shaun] You and Wayne haven't spoken in two or three weeks?
Wow.
[Shaun] Do you feel that Holly has abandoned your marriage?
She was like, "I blocked them," and it's like...
Instead of you introducing me to this good friend of yours
you would just much rather block them? Like, come on.
And that's the real reason why.
It was the trust issues that I was having.
Because of that...
What?
-What? -[Kalani] What?
When I was with Kirsten,
-nothing had happened then. -[Kirsten] You met her during our relationship.
Why are you lying?
You're such a liar.
[Daniele] When I came home from New York,
I walked in to a very
unfortunate situation in my apartment.
You've been bringing women there the whole time.
That was your whore hotel.
[speaking Spanish]
Are you serious?
[speaking Spanish]