[Shaun] Previously on 90 Day Fiancé: The Other Way,
the couples tell all.
I have a lot of receipts that I'm coming to this tell-all with,
and I am going to confront Yohan with all of it.
He has no idea what he's in for.
-Hi. -[Kimberly] Hi, Daniele.
I never really cared for Daniele.
I felt like she had very specific reasons to choose Yohan as a partner.
She liked the size of his [bleep]
and I felt like she kind of manhandled him.
Kimberly, to me, seemed very unappreciative of everything.
Your opinion doesn't matter to me, Jenny.
Well, your opinion doesn't matter to me, either...
-Okay. [chuckles] -...First of all, respect India.
You can laugh all you want but you know what,
you're a very entitled little spoilt brat is what you are.
You're a [bleep].
-Oh! -[woman 1] She called you the C-word, girl.
Come to India, honey. I'd love to meet you.
What you called Jenny,
-do you regret that? -No.
You should.
She's showing us a side of her
and the reaction she's getting, she deserves.
Shekinah can go [bleep] herself.
She has something negative to say about everybody's relationship
but also doesn't wanna look at hers.
Shekinah, now that you two are apart
does he still tell you what to do?
We don't talk on the phone but he does send me voice messages.
You're being exposed, babe.
[recording of Sarper in other language]
[in English]
-[Shekinah] It's all good advice. -Whoa, okay.
[exclaims, sighs]
[Julio] Kirsten ended up going dress shopping.
And in the gist of those photos I see a photo of a man.
And, you know, them saying, "Oh, I can't wait to see you."
They're calling each other, like, you know, mami and papi.
I didn't do nothing with him. He is literally my friend.
[Julio] Kirsten grabs my phone, locks herself in the bathroom
and deletes the conversation that I recorded with her and this guy.
So, I decide to question her and I was recording.
[Kalani gasps]
[Julio] The following morning when I realized that everything was gone,
this is what I, pretty much, had to say with her.
[Julio speaking in recording]
-[Kirsten in recording] -[Julio speaks]
[Kirsten speaks]
[Julio speaking]
[Kirsten speaks]
[Julio speaking]
[Kirsten speaks]
[Julio speaking]
[Kirsten speaks]
-[Julio speaks] -[Kirsten speaks]
[Julio speaks]
[Kirsten speaks]
[Julio speaks]
-[Kirsten speaks] -[Julio speaking]
[Kirsten speaking]
[Julio] Do you see...
[Julio speaking]
[exhales]
Kirsten, were you having a relationship with this guy?
Why weren't you more open about this relationship?
If he was just a friend, why didn't you
help him become friends with, uh, Julio?
[Shaun] So, why would you refer to him as "papi"?
-Papi's kind of like a, like a, a nickname. -Term of endearment.
Because he...
And like...
Why were you sending him pictures?
-[Andrei] What kind of pictures? -What were the pictures of?
-[Daniele] Yeah, what kind of pictures were they? -What kind of pictures was it?
When she was trying on the dress she sent him the photos of that.
So, he sent her a ph--
It doesn't matter.
I have a lot of friends and a lot of them are male
and I do, like, send them daily things, we talk all the time.
-You're saying she cheated... -[Tim] But she lied about it, right?
...and nothing's been a nude?
-Nothing was like, "Hey, papi." Like... -[Julio] But, but, just...
It was a whole relationship that she was having
without him knowing about it, though.
It's not about the message itself, it's about the person behind it.
We all move differently with different intentions.
You know when someone is moving innocently,
and you know when someone is moving not innocently.
Do you think that Kirsten was moving
innocently or not?
I think the fact that she lied about it just now
when she was like, "I didn't delete anything. What do you..."
She acted like she didn't know what was happening.
That makes me feel a little bit off.
[Shaun] Kirsten, um, you said
that you could get this guy on the phone.
Can you call him?
Yeah.
[Shekinah speaking]
Look, wait, I show you how he's, like, in my phone, right?
[man 1] "Homie."
[Shaun] "Homie."
Please, we've all put fake numbers in our phone, sis.
[laughs]
[Shaun] Okay, wait, we're gonna call Homie right now.
Okay, Kirsten, go ahead.
[phone ringing]
[speaks in other language]
Hi, um, my ex, Julio, you know Julio, right?
-[Homie speaks] -He think I cheated with you.
[Homie speaking]
-[Homie speaking] -Did we flirt?
[Homie speaks]
He's saying no to everything.
Julio, what question would you like to ask this guy?
Why would Kirsten keep him a secret from me?
[Homie] Uh...
[Kirsten] Uh-huh. Yeah.
[Julio] So, he didn't...
So, he had no idea she was in a relationship, pretty much.
You knew I was in a relationship, right?
[Homie speaks]
-You knew... [chuckles] You knew I was... -See? He, he's...
-...in a relationship, right? -[Homie] Yeah.
And y'all were gonna get married and you lived there two months.
-He acts like he barely even knows who you are. -That's what I'm saying.
[stutters]
Huh? Okay.
Does anybody has a question for him?
No, we know you're a liar.
[Daniele] Did you say, "Okay, I wanna meet his guy now?
He's your good friend, you guys had this conversation.
I'm gonna be here for another month. Where's he at?"
Well, she was like, "I blocked them."
And it's like, instead of you introducing me to this good friend of yours,
you would just much rather block them? Like, come on.
And did she ever give you an authentic apology about it?
She'll be in denial for it, you know, forever.
[Tim] So, never once at the rest of the month
she was like, "Hey, I'm really sorry I made you feel insecure."
-No. -[Tim] She just would be like, "I didn't do anything."
[Julio] That's it. And that's the real reason why.
It was the trust issues that I was having.
Because of that situation--
-[Holly] What? -What?
-[woman 2] What? -[man 2] Wait what?
[crying] It's just so unfair.
You have a relationship with her now, right?
[continues crying]
Who is the girl that Kirsten's talking about?
-Someone that-- -[Kirsten] Which is so... Can I say, can I...
Go ahead, Kirsten.
[Kirsten] So...
[sniffling]
Yeah.
[Julio] Kirsten, you're trying to
-tie something-- You're... -You met her during our relationship,
-and that's why you broke up with me because you... -Kirsten. Kirsten... She's...
-She's trying... -You fell in love with her. You fell in love with her.
-...she's trying to tie something-- -[Shaun] Okay, so Julio,
is that true? Did you meet this woman
before you broke up with Kirsten?
-Kirsten is making it... -Yes.
Kirsten is making it seem like I went out of my way to meet this woman.
-No, she's not. Shaun's asking. -I was, I was, I was...
In September I was with Kirsten,
I was DJing a wedding. Okay?
That person was there. Yes.
-That was it. -You meet her.
-That was it. That was it. -After that, after that,
I saw you followed each other on Instagram.
Liking everything.
Then, two months later, you broke up with me.
And then suddenly you went on a vacation with her.
That's the real reason you broke up with me.
And now you're gonna say, oh, I cheated on you
with a good friend that I literally didn't do anything with.
Okay, so you broke up with Kirsten
-in November. -[Julio] Mmm-hmm.
Prior to that, in September, you're DJing a wedding.
You meet this woman at this wedding.
And you two start following each other
-on social media. Is that right? -No.
When I was with Kirsten, nothing had happened.
-After the breakup, you guys followed each other? -[Julio] Yeah.
-After the breakup. -How did you find each other?
-[Julio] Huh? -[Kirsten] No, that's not true. Why are you lying?
[crying] You're such a liar.
-[Julio] How... -You literally follow each other during our relationship.
That's why you were so cold on FaceTime.
That's the real reason why you're so cold.
You didn't care about me. You were in love with her.
You found something else, and that's okay. [crying, sniffling]
But, just be honest about it. Like... [continues crying]
And this is the woman that you are dating today?
[Shaun] Okay.
I get where Kirsten's trying to make conclusions
and how she's seeing it.
So because of that, obviously when you met this,
or saw this woman at the wedding.
She caught your eye.
So, how did you reconnect with her?
'Cause obviously she was still on your mind.
Uh, well, Instagram. The wedding party, the,
we have tagged photos and everything.
[Julio] Yeah.
Kirsten, whatever last words you would like to say to Julio,
what would those be?
Julio, you know the truth, right?
You know that you met this girl
and that's why you broke up with me.
Deep down you know the truth.
[Shaun] Julio?
Whether she wants to accuse me of doing whatever
after our relationship.
We both know what the truth is, so...
[Shaun] All right, Julio and Kirsten,
hopefully you can learn from what went wrong
and use that knowledge to improve your future relationships.
Best of luck. Thank you.
Thank you.
I think everybody could use a break after that.
[Julio] Kirsten, you know, to everyone was perfect.
But all the issues we were having
were behind closed doors. I didn't wanna,
you know, just release that out to everyone 'cause I know
whatever it is that we're going through,
we'll try to get over it ourselves,
but other people don't, you know?
[Kenny] When you guys are breaking up in the video, why didn't you say then,
"I'm breaking up with you," or "I don't wanna be with you
because of this, this, and this"?
'Cause it came off just, like, cold. Didn't it?
But that's the thing is, she knew the real reason why.
And she just kept, like, just beating around it,
-beating around it, -So, was she crying so much because she felt
sorry and she was regretful,
or because you were cold and heartless?
[chuckles] She was crying because it was, uh,
it was her gimmick.
[Daniele] I think the Kirsten, Julio situation is really interesting.
He had a story and he came with evidence.
She didn't really come with evidence that he cheated on her.
But, like, this was the first time
that I heard about the makeup artist.
And he never shared that story,
and I think that was an interesting choice.
You don't think it's weird that 15 minutes went by,
and when she felt like everybody was turning on her,
then she all of a sudden brought up that he left her for another woman?
That would've been the first thing as a woman you said.
I feel like you could be lying to us just to save face.
I feel like in the back of your mind you probably felt like
you were already emotionally cheated on.
I wasn't gonna look at it as an eye for an eye kind of thing.
I still wanted to build something with Kirsten.
The very fact that, like, you met this person while you two were dating,
and you got a relationship so soon after...
-[Kalani] No. -...makes me feel like...
Yeah, no. That's what made me
start not believing either of them.
[staff] Three, two...
Now, we are going to speak to Kenny and Armando.
Two years after tying the knot,
they were considering two more huge life decisions.
A move to Mexico City
and having a baby via surrogacy.
And let me start with the move, gentlemen.
That was an item of debate between the two of you.
Armando, you were very hesitant to move to Mexico City.
How are you liking it now?
Uh, I'm loving it. I mean, there's still
some concerns here and there because it is a big city.
[Kenny] You know, one thing that happened,
we went to a club that's in our area.
And the next night, right?
Next door to it, someone got kidnapped and killed.
-[Shaun] Ooh. -[Kenny] And he was freaking out about it.
And I said, "You know, people get killed in America too."
There's crime everywhere you go, you know?
I am an overthinker, so I'm just always keeping a lookout, you know,
when I'm walking down the street to walk the dogs, I, like,
if I hear someone shuffling behind me,
I just make sure to see who's behind me.
It does give me, like, a sick feeling and,
but obviously it gives me more reason to just keep an eye on Hannah.
But, I made Kenny pay up for a nicer apartment,
so we have a guard at the entrance,
so I feel a lot safer.
We're on a two-year lease, so we committed to...
I said, "Let's just commit to two years."
-Yeah. -So we committed to two years.
Very nice. Now, Hannah has to adjust to a new school.
-How's that been going? -It's actually going pretty good.
She, um, I was very concerned for her because
I know she's, like, quiet, and I was worried that
she would, you know, maybe not make friends.
But the first day she was off, she said she loved it.
She made a new friend.
So that made me feel a lot more happy and comfortable.
So, have you told Kenny that he was right about making the move?
-[slowly] No... -[all laughing]
All right, another consideration of moving to Mexico City
was that you'd be closer to the clinic
where you are working with a donor and a surrogate mother,
hopefully, to have a baby.
Any update there? What can you tell us?
Well, we had some bumps.
We picked a egg donor,
and she went through the whole process.
And the day she's supposed to come in, she ghosted the clinic.
-[Shaun] Oh, wow. -[Kenny] And never showed up.
Never did anything.
So, we had to go through the whole process again.
[crying] Um...
[sniffles]
I'm trying to get it out. Um... [sniffles]
I did a lot of pushback on it because I was
in fear over it. Um...
There was two things in my life that I almost,
um, didn't do. And one was being with him,
and one was starting a family with him, and it was both due to my age.
Can you imagine if I didn't, what I would've lost out on?
So, I'm very thankful that we did this
surrogacy process 'cause
I would've lost out on something else as well.
But I'm happy to say that we have seven embryos now.
[Shaun] Oh, wow.
-Congratulations. -Fantastic. Congratulations.
[applause]
Has the clinic asked you how many eggs or embryos
that you wanna try and transfer?
Let me tell you something, Shaun.
We are in a debate on this.
He wants to implant two, I want one.
I had triplets. I know it can happen.
-That's how I had triplets. -Oh, wow.
And we have to decide in the next 15 days.
So, what are you gonna do?
Tim, you and Kenny are friends.
Did you give them any advice on the baby decision?
-Uh, actually I did not. -Yes, he did.
He told him, "Don't do it."
[Tim] I just feel like Kenny's doing it
more for Armando than himself.
Like, you're sitting there smiling like this is funny.
This is woman, after woman, after woman.
While I was handing out gifts, you were sending pictures of your [bleep].
The first time he had sex with this woman,
it was a month before we got married.
We are in a debate on this.
He wants to implant two, I want one
because they have a very high success rate there.
They have a 80% success rate,
which is really good.
Well, the thing is, one is more so, like,
a 70% or nothing at all.
And they did say two is more of, like, 85%, 90%.
Well, so he wants to have two, but then you could have twins.
I had triplets. I know it can happen. That's how I had triplets.
But if you implant one and it doesn't work, you can do it again?
-Yeah. I mean, it costs. -But we're already so behind...
Like, it feels like we're so behind on everything,
and it just, it not working and being, like,
just this is like... [groans] Ugh, like, I don't know.
What are you gonna do?
[chuckles softly] We don't know.
I want him to change his mind on it.
This was $74,000.
-Whoa! Really? That much? -[Kenny] Mmm-hmm.
[bleeping]
[Kenny] Yes.
[Shaun] Tim, you and Kenny are friends.
Did you give them any advice on the baby decision?
-Uh, actually I did not-- -Yes, he did.
-Well... -He told him, "Don't do it."
Yeah, I did say that I actually, a while back.
[Kenny] When Tim did message me, he said, he goes,
"I can tell in your eyes you don't wanna do it."
And he was right at that moment.
I just feel like Kenny's love for Armando is so big,
he's gonna dedicate the rest of his life to that child.
And I feel like he's doing it more for Armando than himself.
That's a very serious commitment.
And especially hearing this about the possibility of twins,
like, that... that... that's even scarier to me.
[Armando] It will change our lives.
But at the same time, we both know what it's like.
Uh, we're not newbies. Um...
So at the end of the day...
he's wanting this too, I think.
I'm the type where I just go for stuff.
And most of the time, it has worked out for me.
Somethings have failed here and there.
But I always just go for it.
Because I don't look at having regrets on something or what if.
I am kind of a selfless person. I like to put others first.
I've put my kids first. I've put my family first. I do do that.
But it's not sacrifice and anything for me to do that.
[Shaun] Kenny, um, you admitted that you co-created a monster?
By encouraging Armando to exert more control.
Uh, in what ways have you seen Armando become controlling?
You know, when you start out a relationship, he let me take the lead.
But then, he's become much more vocal in what he wants.
He tells you how he feels.
It was always sort of, his way.
So he had to learn to kind of give in and go down from where he was.
I kind of told him,
I wanna be submissive.
But it didn't turn out that way.
Yeah, he told me that. I liked, you know, for you to take control.
He led me to believe that.
And so, I did.
But then, I think that annoyed him, [chuckles] after a while.
You know, one of the biggest disagreements that we saw you two have...
centered around the conversation of Armando saying
-he doesn't want to feel like he owes you something... -[Kenny] Mmm-hmm.
...for moving to Mexico.
Armando, do you still feel that way?
Uh, what he did was big.
You know, it's something that not just anybody does.
He didn't hold a gun to my head to move to Mexico.
I did it with my own free will.
I have never said to him,
"You know, I freaking moved to this country for you,"
and all that kind of stuff.
I've never thrown that in his face.
He's given me actually...
like, a new lease on life, you know.
'Cause, um, a lot of people my age are just sitting around, doing [bleep].
And, he has made my life ten times better,
and very exciting and adventurous.
And even the struggles that we may have and little things like that,
it's all worth it.
You might be 61, but you act like you're in your 30s.
And I'm not like Gino. I don't need a blue pill.
[all laughs]
Well, speaking of your sex life,
I wanna focus on a side of Armando
that we've never seen before,
when he and Kenny hit up a gay club.
And while Armando seemed uncomfortable at first,
it didn't take long for him to feel right at home.
Oh, gosh.
[Armando speaking]
[Kenny] I want to take Armando out of his comfort zone.
He didn't know this was happening.
First time seeing that.
Go. Go. Whoo.
You see how heavy he's breathing? [laughs]
He looks scared. [laughs]
This is my favorite scene, like ever.
[Armando] I don't want to disrespect Kenny, but...
Oh, my God.
I'm crazier than you think.
That part's true.
Did you enjoy that?
A little side note, they went completely nude.
-[Shaun] Oh, whoa. -[Kenny] Then they were on Viagra too.
[Shaun] Oh, my gosh.
So he got quite a show later.
[Shaun] Armando, you said, quote, "I'm crazier than you think."
Do you care to elaborate on that?
[sighs] I'll say too much, if I open my mouth.
[Shaun] Oh, please tell us.
-I'll say this. Kenny's gonna kill me. -Oh. God.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What do you all roleplay as?
Yeah. I wanna know what you all roleplay.
-[Armando] Cop and robber. -[all laughs]
-[Tim] Oh. -[Julio] Oh, who's daddy?
-I wanna ask a question to Tim. -Oh, God.
I know on text, you call Kenny, Daddy.
Are you sure nothing has gone down in New York when you're there with him?
Oh, my God.
Wait a minute. What?
Never have I ever had a menage a trois.
[exclaims] Okay.
One of mine was with another 90 Day Fiancé person.
-So was mine. -What the [bleep]?
Oh, God.
The truth is...
I have gotten messages from women every single day.
I didn't look for these women.
Two months ago, when I came home from New York,
I walked in to a very... unfortunate situation in my apartment.
Damn.
[Armando] I wanna ask a question to Tim.
Are you sure nothing has gone down in New York when you're there with him?
Oh, my God.
[Kenny] This is... But I was gonna bring this up.
-And then we started-- -Wait a minute. What?
We were friends and he'll like,
-message or say, "Hey, Daddy. What's up?" -Yeah.
And I show-- He knows it's all in fun.
'Cause, you know, he gets crap on lying about his orientation, and he's not.
But he is comfortable in his own skin
to play around like that and stuff.
So, he'll just say it in a joking way.
And he knows it. He's not bothered by it either.
Well...
I mean, he has been in my room quite a lot.
Oh, my gosh.
-Now we're getting the dirt. -[all laughs]
Some people think it. But, no. We're just like really. We're tight.
We just get along. We have a good time.
With us, it just banged. I-- [laughs]
[all laughs]
It just shows that people have different orientation
that can just goof around and be friends.
And there's no hang-ups like that or anything like that.
And he's putting on here a little bit like, oh, you--
But he'll say it to me, like, "Oh, what's happening with Tim?"
I goof around, but I trust him.
So, what's he told me is what it is.
And, you know, it's all in fun. It's fine.
[Shaun] Well, Armando, we saw you getting
pretty close to that stripper earlier.
What were you thinking when the guy was coming over to you?
I was just nervous.
You know, I don't like to be like the center of attention or put on the spot.
I gotta ask Sarper.
How would you compare your moves, Sarper,
to that dancer that we saw?
I mean, he's professional. I wasn't like that.
-I think you're great, babe. -You like it?
I can teach you some moves.
-[all laughs] -Show us now.
-Just do it for us. Just do it. -Okay.
Buttons coming off.
[Shekinah] Oh, wow.
You're really doing this, babe?
-Oh, it's a lesson. -Oh.
Stroking your hand?
[Sarper] Stroking.
[all laughs]
[Sarper speaking]
[Kenny] Oh, my God.
-Oh, going downstairs. -[Sarper] Yes.
She's like, I've seen this a couple times. [laughs]
He loves to do this one.
All right.
Thanks for the striptease.
Well, Kenny and Armando, it has been a pleasure.
Hopefully, the next time we talk to you
you'll be introducing us to your new baby.
So good luck with everything.
Or babies.
[Shaun] Or babies, yes.
Okay. Taking a quick break.
So much more when we come back.
[exclaims]
Yes.
[Kimberly] Oh, my God.
Excuse me, ladies.
Your man would be very proud of you. You're sitting up very straight.
[Shekinah] Oh, thanks.
I take traction well.
-[Kenny laughs] -Wow.
-[Tim] Hey. -Hello.
[others] Hi.
[Daniele] I understand why they brought each of you.
I think you're for South Africa.
You're right. I was here for the South African,
but I actually feel like I connected, a lot more watching it,
I feel like I connected a lot more to you.
-Really? -Yeah.
Me too. Infidelity, yeah. So much fun.
Is there anybody in this room that's never been cheated on?
This was my first time.
[Kenny speaks]
You've never been cheated on?
-[all laughs] -That I know of, I never have.
How old were you when you realized you were gay?
I knew when... I was a teenager that something was up.
-Right. -You know? And I dated a lot of girls in high school,
and in my early 20s and so often.
So when's the last time you had sex with a woman?
Oh, God.
I lived in Miami for a while.
-I'm just saying. -[all laughs]
Look at his answer to every question.
Well, I lived in Miami. Miami doesn't really count.
-Juicy. -[Kenny] It was a manage a trois.
[all exclaims and laughs]
Damn.
Okay. Never have I ever had a manage a trois.
-I haven't either. -[woman speaking]
No. You don't know never have I ever?
-No. -Oh, my--
I know it. But I never did the drinking.
-I was Mormon. -[Kenny speaks]
Wait. But how do you play? I don't know how to play it either.
Oh, so you put up three fingers and like, I say something I've never done.
And if you've done it, you put a finger down.
-Oh. -Oh, okay.
So never have I ever had a manage a trois.
If you have, put a finger down?
-So that means, if you have, put a finger down. -[exclaims]
[all exclaims and laughs]
We got three in the building.
That's four.
I... I'm only gonna say one thing.
My... Or one of mine was with another 90 Day Fiancé person.
So was mine.
What the [bleep]?
-Not Veronica? -Yeah, with Veronica.
[laughs] God.
When was the last time you two saw each other in person?
[Yohan speaking in Spanish]
Oh!
We had dinner with his family.
-[Shaun] Wait, you had dinner with his family? -We?
[Shaun] Even though you were separated?
He's lied and cheated and everything like...
He doesn't deserve your time nor your friendship.
So, why?
We are going to direct our tension
to Daniele and Yohan.
[automated voice] Just a reminder,
we have a translator on set for Yohan today.
So, when was the last time you two saw each other in person?
[Yohan speaking in Spanish]
-Oh! -[Shaun] Okay.
How did that go?
Um, surprisingly fine.
We had dinner with his family.
-[Shaun] Wait, you had dinner with his family? -We?
Wow!
In the house that he lives in?
-Okay. Even though you were separated? -Yup.
Okay, wow!
He's lied and cheated and everything like...
He doesn't deserve your time nor your friendship.
So, why?
I value his mother, his sisters.
They're really good people, and they deal with a lot of terrible men, like--
-You can still have on with them. -Yeah.
He just doesn't need to be.
-You're right. -[speaking in Spanish]
It sounds so crazy, but I do it because his family is important to me.
Because I wanna make sure that he's okay and he has what he needs.
As we know, I maintain positive relationships with all of my exes.
[laughs] So I'm trying to keep the continuity.
I wanna discuss the initial expectations
that you both brought into your marriage.
You had different perspectives on everything,
from finances to living arrangements.
Let's watch some of your more contentious moments.
[man speaking in Spanish]
[speaking in Spanish]
[in English] Okay.
That isn't the way it's going to work. Enough.
[speaking in Spanish]
[in English] So go home.
Go home.
I'm not giving you money.
Get the [bleep] out of my house.
Get out of my house.
You are out of your mind.
And I don't want you here anymore.
Do you understand that? I don't want you here.
Daniele, what is your reaction to seeing it now?
I think it's really interesting that he called our relationship a horror story.
I thought that was interesting language to use.
I think that...
one of the reasons why...
One of the reasons why I put up with all the [bleep] that he did,
was because our day-to-day...
was so positive.
Like, we got up. We went to the beach in the morning.
We traveled every other weekend.
Like, the majority of our life was really beautiful.
As long as I was funding him.
So to see like, all of these sides of him...
[sighs] It's upsetting.
That he will throw his life away for it.
And so now, he has nothing.
He has nothing. He's living in his parent's house with nothing.
So like,
he spent all this time worrying about money and he'll never have it.
He'll never have it.
And it just... It makes me sad for him.
[Yohan speaking in Spanish]
[in English] He thought I got a cash cow.
She's gonna buy me a crib. She's gonna buy me a car.
She's gonna give me everything I want.
-Mmm-hmm. -And I'm not gonna have to contribute.
When what I said was, yes, we will have a car and an apartment,
but not me alone.
-Together. -Yeah.
[speaking in Spanish]
[Daniele in English] Every single woman in his family,
works three jobs.
Every single one.
They have businesses in their homes.
They go to a day job during the day.
And then some of them watch kids.
They do-- They are like hustlers.
And the fact that he said my family doesn't have money to eat,
that's [bleep].
They have plenty of money. It's him.
Yeah.
[speaking in Spanish]
[Daniele in English] There's no way in hell that this girl ever said,
don't worry, son. You can stay home,
and do nothing and I'll work to take care of you.
No one who knows me would ever think that I would say something like that.
That's not a me thing.
[Shaun] I wanna show you a moment when Daniele learned something about Yohan
that ultimately damaged their relationship, beyond repair.
Let's take a look.
[Daniele] It's been a month since Yohan officially moved out.
And, this is my last day in this apartment.
The other day a woman wrote to me,
and told me that she has
been in a relationship with my husband for two years,
since the month before we got married.
Um, that she met his father and his nephew.
And gave them money.
That she had sex with him.
Um, that he brought her to this apartment complex.
She gave me a play-by-play of their entire relationship.
And just grabbed every single detail, every time she saw him.
Um, sent me pictures that he sends her.
One of them was a picture of his [bleep] on Christmas eve,
while I was handing out gifts to his family in his neighborhood.
Really.
I think that the Yohan that I was seeing
and was believing was there, was never actually in front of me.
I started thinking more. I went through his computer.
And I found evidence of other women that he's been in relationships with.
That he spent the night with.
Um, there are at least six different women
that I know have had inappropriate relationship with my husband.
Women that he's either reached out to and asked for money.
That he's had video conversations with.
That he's made plans to meet up with.
And he sat here and bitched all [bleep] that he was broke.
Meanwhile he's been getting money from multiple bitches.
Nah.
I want nothing to do with this man ever again.
[Shaun exclaims] Boy.
Um...
-Daniele. -[chuckles]
That's rough. Um, how's it feel watching that back?
I mean, the truth is...
the first time he had sex with this woman,
it was a month before we got married.
There was no reason for him to continue in this relationship.
But he wanted cash from her.
He wanted cash from me.
He wanted cash from every one of these women that he reached out to.
Because he was collecting money.
Don't ask me where it is.
Because the fact that he says he paid for everything
is straight comedy, because I wanna see receipts.
'Cause I have receipts.
Like, you're sitting there smiling, like this is funny.
Like, this is woman, after woman, after woman.
While I was handing out gifts, you were sending pictures of your [bleep].
Get out of here.
I'm like, okay, maybe she's lying.
I want evidence. Give me evidence.
So she sent me a screenshot of a picture that he sent him.
-[Shaun] Of his private part? -Of his very private part.
[sneers]
How many women since you two have been together,
do you think...
Yohan had physically hooked up with?
[Daniele] So I don't keep count.
I could use help from Sarper. [laughs]
I don't keep count.
I have a lot of screenshots, but...
probably close to like, 50 or 60.
-He slept with them? -I don't know.
I don't know who he slept with and who he hasn't.
I know that there are, ones that I've confirmed, that he's met in person.
One of them being one of my clients.
Multiple women that he's reached out come see me.
"I wanna see you. I love you." Like, he has multiple...
Even now, 'cause he doesn't realize this,
but I can see every message in everywhere in his life.
He has multiple women that he's in a relationship with now
that think that they're the only one.
What!
So, do you think Wayne has been avoiding you?
I, I don't know.
-I don't know. -[Wayne] Um...
I asked him this morning. I text him, I said,
"Do you, are you with someone else?"
I'm so confused. I guess I can ask you
in front of everybody.
He has multiple women that he's in a relationship with now
that think that they're the only one.
What?
[speaking Spanish]
[Daniele] I didn't look for these women.
Two months ago, when I came home from New York,
I walked in to a very unfortunate situation in my apartment.
And so what I did was I started digging.
And I started going through your Facebook,
and I added every single one of the females that
you are friend with as my friends,
because I knew that every single one of those women would be like,
"Huh, why is Daniele adding me?"
And some people would block me,
and some people would reach out to me,
and some people would just kind of pay attention.
And I paid attention to what every single one of those women did.
-And the ones who blocked me... -Dang.
I went looking deeper. I'm very smart.
Like, I'm not the right person to do this to.
[chuckles]
When you say you walked into an unfortunate
thing in your apartment, what was that?
[Daniele] When I walked in from the last trip to New York,
the house was kind of a mess, and my pool floats were moved.
Which sounds crazy, but the only people
who go on those pool floats are me and Yohan.
And so when he came home, I was like, "Who was on the pool floats?"
"No one."
"Who was here?" "No one. No one"
And I was like, "The pool floats are moved.
They were over there when I left, and they're over there."
"Oh, my nephew was here."
You and your 22-year-old nephew were floating in the pool together?
-I don't think so. -[laughing]
[both chuckling]
Do you think he brought a woman, physically, to your home?
I think he did.
Yohan, did you ever bring another woman
to the apartment where you and Daniele lived?
Daniele, do you believe that?
No.
[Yohan speaks]
-You got the CCTV? -[laughing]
[Yohan speaks]
You don't have to go through the reception.
You can go through the side door. You know...
We never went through reception one time that we lived there.
We parked on the side and went up the side stair.
So, that tells me right now that you definitely did,
because that was some crazy story.
You've been bringing women there the whole time you worked at that hotel.
That was your whore hotel.
Every single time you brought a woman
from your hotel, you brought them to that apartment complex.
That's why you wanted to live there.
Uh-oh.
That's why you picked that as our home.
Oh, my God.
So in my opinion, this is past cheating.
It's sociopathic,
because he is telling everyone that he loves them.
And Kimberly's temper is too much.
Yash, do you believe that
Kimberly is a good wife for your brother?
You brought a woman from your hotel,
you brought them to that apartment complex.
That's why you wanted to live there.
That's why you picked that as our home.
Oh.
This is the sanky-panky home.
I didn't realize that at the time,
but after this girl told me all--
She described the apartment complex you took her to.
I was like, "Oh, this is the spot."
And that's why you said, "Oh, I have a place. It's really nice."
Yeah, that's why you like that place,
because this is where you take your women.
Like, I am so
floored by how stupid I was.
Like, "Okay, I clearly did not know who my husband was."
[Yohan speaking]
Yohan, um, did you send a picture
of your private parts to another woman?
Are you serious?
I have images of the messages that he sent to these women.
And that's not true. It's just not true.
There's evidence that that is not the case.
[Shaun] Daniele, how do you know
that Yohan was the one that sent the picture
to these other women?
Um, because they had sent screenshots
of the conversation.
-Wow. -So first of all,
I can see his DMs, so I can see what he's sending.
That's the first thing. So, if he's sending it via Instagram, I can see it.
How were you able to see his DMs?
Because I created his Instagram account.
-[laughs] -[Daniele] He doesn't know how to get into
his Instagram account, so he doesn't have the access to change the password.
It's like a big... [indistinct]
It was attached to an old phone.
So I can see it all.
-[chuckles] -[Andrei] Smart.
I have a question, I have a question for Yohan like...
I just wanna say, like, why is he sending [bleep] pics
to females while you're married?
Like, what's up with the [bleep] pics?
[sighs deeply]
I don't think he's gonna admit that he did it then.
You're in debt because you took a $10,000 loan after I left you.
I saw the loan. I saw the date. I saw it.
You are saying that you are in debt because of me.
You're in debt because you don't have me anymore,
and you lost all your cash cows 'cause now we all know.
You are out of women.
[laughing]
That has nothing to do with me.
Do you have an example of a woman
who I reached out to and spoke bad about you?
[Daniele speaks Spanish]
[in English] Oh, the page. The sanky-panky page. Yes.
[Daniele] I can explain.
One of my friends told me about the sanky-panky page, like,
you post a picture and say, "Hey, is anybody else dating Yohan?"
And I was angry. It was a petty move.
But I did it. I was like, "Hey, just letting you know, there's this guy..."
'Cause it's a page, like, "Is anybody else dating this guy
in Dominican Republic?" It's a whole page about it.
And I posted his picture and I said,
"He has been looking for women here, here, and here."
And, you know, "Just be careful. Don't give him money."
Now mind you, after that post
more women reached out to me and were like,
"Hey, yeah he did." So, it was an effective strategy.
-It just probably was a little bit petty. -[laughing]
-[Daniele] So, I apologize for that. -[Holly] I don't think
-you're being petty. -I don't think so either.
So in my opinion, this is past cheating.
-This is scamming. -[Daniele] Yeah, no.
-[Tim] You know what I mean, like... -It's scamming, it's cheating.
It's all of that. It's sociopathic,
because he is telling everyone that he loves them.
-[gasps] -So, my thoughts were like,
um, with you posting that
and kind of alerting other women
to not get scammed, people still tie you to him,
-so you're protecting your own reputation. -I know.
-I don't think it's wrong of you to do that. -[Daniele] For sure.
[stutters] I could have handled...
I recognize that I could have handled that better.
Like, there was a better way to do that, but it is also, like,
"Yes, like, I'm done with this man." [chuckles]
He's not only a scammer, but he's a liar also.
Like, damn.
[Armando speaking Spanish]
Okay.
Well, we are going to hear more from Daniele and Yohan a little bit later.
For now, I wanna turn our attention back to Kimberly and TJ.
Let's talk about the biggest issue between you two,
TJ's family.
And let's specifically focus on the conflict between
Kimberly and TJ's brother, Yash.
Let's look at one of their intense arguments.
Oh, how long am I staying?
Did you just call me stupid?
"Did you just call me stupid," is what I asked.
No, I'm not showing stupidity.
You're not understanding my words...
[Kimberly] You're not speaking clearly,
and you're not understanding what I'm saying.
[angrily] But you don't you dare ever call me stupid.
Obviously.
And I don't care about you either.
[laughing]
[laughs mockingly]
And you don't either!
Let's get Yash into the conversation.
Oh, [bleep] .
[Shaun] Welcome, Yash.
-Hi, Yash. -Hi, everyone.
-[Shaun] What did you think watching that back? -[Yash] Um...
What, so Kimberly, I'd like to know
what you think watching that scene back?
I think I handled myself pretty well,
given the circumstances.
Okay, what circumstances are you talking about?
Whenever somebody is talking down to you
and saying that you have to do
everything that they're telling you do, or to leave.
I think I handled myself well. I set my boundaries clearly.
I don't think I disrespected them in any way.
TJ, how do you feel, there's a conflict between
Kimberly and your brother is affecting your relationship?
Um...
You have to take a side.
[Andrei] You have to.
[Andrei] Okay.
Well, she's your newly formed family, that's what I'm saying.
It's a newly formed family.
You choose her, she choose you.
Pay attention to what you have.
Yash what do you think about the fight that
your brother and Kimberly had?
-[Yash] You said several time... -[screams] Goddamnit!
-[Yash] You said several time... -[shrieks violently]
Like...
We're gonna have bumps in the road. It's just gonna happen.
That's true.
Kimberly, we saw you say that you would suck up to TJ's family
if it means staying together.
Uh, is that still the case?
I mean, I think at first I had to suck up.
Yash, do you believe that Kimberly is a good wife for your brother?
Do you have plans to go back to South Africa?
Uh, not really.
We haven't spoken in two or three weeks?
-Whoa. -Oh, whoa.
[Yash speaking]
[in English] I have a question for Kimberly.
Just like, as a whole,
giving everything you did, everything you said,
is there anything you regret or you wanna apologize for?
Do you think you did anything wrong?
[Kimberly] I'll apologize for the tone.
But I needed that. I needed to say things how I felt.
I needed to do things exactly the way it was done.
I have a question too.
Uh, I wonder why Yash cornered her so much?
I think he's pressuring her too much.
So, both Yash and I are very blunt,
and we seem aggressive whenever we talk,
but we don't necessarily mean it that way.
And I think that's where most of our trouble comes in.
That's the thing, maybe she didn't get along with Yash because
they're both very similar. What she doesn't like about him,
she's very much the same way.
She's, uh, very confrontational, and,
you know, and she's condescending.
Kimberly, um, Yash said that you had much ego.
What is your response to that?
Um, I think everybody has an ego.
Everybody has an ego, but you can balance an ego.
Yash, do you think her ego is too big?
So, you're mad that she gave Yash,
Yash the same attitude that Yash was giving her?
Yes.
Okay.
[chuckles]
So when you said, "Kimberly's attitude is too much,"
or "How she speaks is too much."
What do you mean by that?
Ooh.
-So, we have to hold it all in. -Yeah, you're...
-We have to be able to take it. -No, he's saying one side
needs to be calmer.
But he keeps saying, "her, as the lady.
"As the lady. As the lady."
'Cause it's a woman he's talking about.
Okay, so how do things work today?
Do you just stay upstairs, and the family stays downstairs,
and you don't co-mingle at all?
Um, I'll go downstairs every once in a while.
[scattered laughter]
Like, what is, "every once in a while"?
[hesitates] I try to, uh... Hmm.
I don't know if I could put a timestamp on it.
TJ, how often does Kimberly go downstairs and mingle with the family?
[TJ speaking]
Well, it seems like things have gotten
-at least a little bit better. -[Kimberly] Mmm-hmm.
[Shaun] With TJ's family.
Yes.
[Shaun] Okay, so, Yash,
let me ask you a very, very easy question.
Do you like Kimberly being your sister-in-law?
-You know! -[applauding]
Oh, thank you.
Wow.
That-- that took a minute.
-Yeah. -[all laughing]
[Shaun] But, we gotta say goodbye
to Yash right now.
Yash, thank you so much for sharing your honest opinion.
We appreciate you being here.
[Shaun] Kimberly and TJ, despite the difficulties
in your living situation
and the family conflict,
I can tell you have a lot of love for each other.
We hope you focus on that
and hopefully, everything else will sort itself out.
Thank you so much.
Let's turn our attention now to Holly and Wayne.
Holly agreed to move to South Africa
despite serious concerns about their safety.
But, after moving there, things got even worse,
pushing Holly to the point of considering a move back
to America.
Holly, let me start with your current living situation.
You said that you've been here in the States for the last four months.
Why haven't you gone back to South Africa?
I flew back here 'cause my mom was really sick
and um, I'd racked up some credit card debt in South Africa.
So, I knew that if I went back to South Africa,
I couldn't get a job.
So, I knew if I stayed here, I could just pay it off really quick.
Do you have plans to go back to South Africa?
Uh...
Not-- not really.
We haven't-- we haven't spoken in two-- two-three weeks.
-Whoa. -Oh, whoa.
You and Wayne haven't spoken two or three weeks?
Two-- like, two minutes, here--
[Wayne] Yeah.
[Shaun] What's been the issue with your communication?
[Wayne speaking]
So, get a new phone.
[Holly] You know, what happened is that
I'm-I'm generally a very happy person
and I've never struggled with depression
and when everything came crashing down,
I was depressed.
He didn't like me depressed.
He liked the way I used to be.
And he just couldn't understand why I was depressed.
[Wayne speaking]
But, that's what I needed.
You didn't like it 'cause I wasn't all fun and exciting anymore
because I was like, struggling with everything.
So, do you think Wayne has been avoiding you?
I-I don't know.
- I-I-- I don't know. -[Wayne] Um--
[Holly] I asked him this morning,
I texted him, said, "Do you-- are you with someone else?"
I'm so confused, like, what do you want?
'Cause I haven't had a chance to talk to you in three weeks.
So, I guess I can ask you on-- in front of everybody.
Do you feel that Holly has abandoned your marriage?
Yeah, but who's gonna pay the debt?
-[Wayne] It's ridiculous. - [Holly] I've got credit cards
-that I charged to help your business. -[Wayne speaking]
You're not working.
[sighs]
He didn't talk to you when you were there.
Every time you try to talk to him,
it was never the right time for him.
'Cause you seem like a kind of a vulnerable person
that you really need a lot of support
and a lot of emotional support.
And he doesn't seem like the man to give it to you.
-[Wayne] Yeah, I don't-- -He always seems annoyed by you.
He seems annoyed today.
He just seems very annoyed at the whole situation.
[Wayne speaking]
You're not working.
[sighs]
Wait, I-I need to make sure that I understand what I'm hearing.
So, you went down to South Africa,
he didn't have any money so you used your credit cards
to get you guys settled to help his business.
-[Wayne] No, no, no, no, no, no, no. -No, no, no, no. He had--
-[Wayne] No, that's not what I-- -The first time
I went down there, his business was doing well.
The second time,
his business was falling apart
and so, there was times when he needed materials
and I said, "Put it on my cards."
So, I have to pay this off.
I cannot go to South Africa
and get a job where I make enough to pay the bills.
So, I told him, I'll pay it off very quickly here
because he doesn't have an in-- a steady income coming in.
So, I don't-- how's that my f-- how am I the villain in this narrative?
Holly, how long will it take you to pay it off?
[Holly] About two more months.
He has this thing, this narrative
in his mind that I don't wanna go back there
when I've done everything a person could possibly do
to be-- with another person
and you still-- like, you still don't trust me, I don't understand it.
Could you go back for, like, a week or two?
Is there, like, something where you're like,
"Hey, I haven't seen you, I wanna see you, I wanna touch you."
That's a good point.
He was supposed to come down and visit me
after I was here for two weeks and check out America.
He never came.
I offered him to come to United States with me.
Okay, Wayne, is that a possibility?
-[Wayne] No. No. -Why?
Um...
Wayne, would it not be worth coming and just seeing it,
to like, come visit the country?
And if you hate it, you could go home.
And you said you were gonna do that.
You remember, we talked about that.
But, if she's telling you, like,
she came to-to live with you,
she offered you support,
she sacrificed a lot of her own life
to make you happy and be there and be your wife,
and now she's here paying off that debt
and she's asking for you to take a vacation for two weeks.
She's not asking for you to move.
She's not asking for you to leave your-your life.
But maybe, take a trip just to come and visit.
That might make her feel like you really do love her
and you want to be with her, because right now,
she feels like you don't give a [bleep] if she's alive.
But then, what I'm saying is
I'm sitting there and then she's the one
that's supporting me again like she says.
I never supported you.
He-He did support me, like--
Well, that's what you told everybody.
-No, who did I tell that to? - You told everybody.
-[Holly] Uh the-- everybody who? -[Wayne speaking]
Who did I tell that to?
I said we bought materials for your business,
but you did support me.
-He did pay the rent-- - Okay, so that's racking debt up
- on my business. -He did buy my food.
He did-- he did feed me, he did give me water, like-like...
[all laughing]
He did let me out of the cage.
[all laughing]
[Holly] I was down there for almost a year.
It's not like I just, you know, skipped town
and-- like a thief in the night.
I gave up everything to go there
and you just don't even seem like you want me back.
So, I'm super confused.
- Yeah. -[Holly] Like, why don't you talk to me?
I-- that's the weird part.
I don't get it.
If you don't wanna be with someone, just break if off, cut ties.
He didn't talk to you when you were there.
Every time you tried to talk to him,
it was never the right time for him.
'Cause you seem like a kind of a vulnerable person
that you really need a lot of support
and a lot of emotional support.
And he doesn't seem like the man to give it you.
He always seems annoyed by you, he seems annoyed today.
He just seems very annoyed at the whole situation with you.
[Shaun] All right, well, I wanna look back
at how your time in South Africa ended.
You began to have reservations
about continuing to fight for your marriage
and even wondering
whether you should have gotten married at all, take a look.
There is so many reasons why I don't wanna live here anymore.
This is like, one of the main ones.
I mean, we had three home invasions.
- While you were there? -[Wayne sighs] Hey, baby.
I can't do this anymore.
- That's great. -I wanna leave, I wanna go to America.
-Hello. -[Holly] Hi.
-[Holly, indistinct] -[Wayne speaking]
Baby, I'm trying to communicate to you
-how upset I am. -[Wayne] Yeah, but let me just help you.
-You're giving me stress. -[Holly] I feel like I can't even talk to you
because I know that if I express how I feel,
you're gonna say I'm complaining.
-I'm not trying. -Baby, I am tired.
I'm been working the whole night and day.
[Holly] I knew-- you can't make excuses.
We're having this con-- This is happening now.
It's so simple.
We can leave, we don't have to live here.
But, you have a wife now. It's different.
Can't you like, just give it some more time
in South Africa, just to like, adapt here?
No.
[Wayne] And what's gonna happen with us? I mean...
Are you-- are you willing to, like, live without me?
I don't wanna do that.
But, I don't know what else to do-- I don't know what to do.
I just...
Like, I sometimes-- I just wish it never happened, honestly.
You just wish we never got married?
Yeah, if things are gonna be like this
-and my wife's a little rich than me. -Really, that's how you feel?
-Saying it as it is. -Why would you even say that to me?
What I'm trying to say I thought it wouldn't be this hard, that's what
I'm trying to say.
You said you wish you never would've got married.
[Wayne] Baby, please.
-[Holly] That's what you just said. -Hold on, baby.
-[Holly] That's what you just said. -Hold on.
-I'm not saying I don't love you. -Aw.
[Wayne] You know, I'm just saying.
I thought it would be, like, easy after we're were married and stuff.
Then you should have married a [bleep] South African person.
[Kenny] It's okay, Holly.
[Wayne] Do you know what I mean?
I'm saying, if things... If I knew things were so difficult,
I would've never done this.
You're an idiot. I'm done.
-[Holly sniffles] -[Shaun] Holly?
Yeah?
What did you think after listening to the conversation?
[sniffles] I, uh...
[sighs] It just... You do seem like you kinda brushed me off.
Like, you look very annoyed right now that you're having to deal with me.
He's literally rolling his eyes at you
as you're saying your feelings.
[Holly sniffles]
[crying softly]
I don't know. If he didn't love me, he shouldn't have married me. [sniffles]
Yeah, I don't know.
[Holly sniffles]
Wayne, Holly loves you so much,
but it don't seem that you care.
Wayne, do you see a future for this relationship?
But what about now?
[Wayne speaking]
I don't know. If he didn't love me, he shouldn't have married me. [sniffles]
Yeah, I don't know.
[Shaun] Wayne?
[sniffles]
[Wayne] Um... [clears throat]
I just didn't wanna live in danger, and... [sniffles]
you just thought it was like, oh, I was just being a drama queen,
and, like, my life had been traumatizing.
I believe she was traumatized a little bit.
[Kimberly] When the power goes out for a long time,
that's really annoying, too.
He has a system set up to turn the power on in their place
when there's power outages. He just said that.
Yeah, but obviously, she didn't know.
The thing is, Wayne, um, Holly loves you so much
and I can see it, but you don't seem that you care.
She needs your comfort, but I think you don't love her that much.
Yeah.
She's crying, and you don't care.
[Kenny] She told you that, too.
Holly's told you that you don't seem like you care.
[Wayne speaking]
All she's wanting is you to say, "Oh, baby, I'm sorry you're sad.
Like, let me hug you."
But you're just like...
"Here she goes again. Oh, she's being emotional."
She just wants you to comfort her.
[Tejaswi speaking]
Ah, what?
You also don't have to keep saying you're a man.
Like, we all know you're a man. You don't have
-to keep saying that. -No, but it's engrained in him to be the provider
-and to be a hard worker, so-- -We get that, but he doesn't have to say,
"I'm the man. I have--"
Yeah, but a man also gives emotional support, too.
You wanna pride yourself on this, like, macho way,
that I work and I'm the man and I wanna provide.
Well, you're girl's in debt, so you're not providing, obviously.
And you're not even being emotionally supportive to her,
so what are you doing for her?
Are you checked out? Do you wanna be with her?
My mom was sick.
[Holly] She wasn't fine the next day.
She was in the hospital.
[Shekinah] But let me tell you something,
I think Wayne gave a lot of emotional support
by being on the phone for hours and hours,
listening to you crying. That is emotional support.
-No, no, he didn't. No, he didn't. No. -[Shekinah] How is that
not being supportive?
[Holly] You did the first week.
You did the first week.
I'm being honest.
And what about Wayne's emotional support?
He's going through a lot right now.
Every time he needs me, I have my phone on,
he can call me day or night, and I'll answer it.
Any time you've needed moral support, haven't I given it to you?
Yeah, yeah, you did.
[Holly] I call him all the time. Any time when you--
Okay, but when you do call him, is it all about you?
What are you talking about?
Look at what he's going through, too.
Try to be more compassionate to him for the situation
-that he's in. -And he just said I was there for him emotionally
every time he's needed me.
[Shekinah] He doesn't have the capacity to handle
all of her emotions right now with everything else he has going on in his life.
I'm supporting both,
and I see part of what she's saying.
Like, my take is that Wayne did everything he thought of,
and it wasn't enough.
And then he just started shutting down
because his business was failing, he was getting depressed himself,
his wife wasn't happy.
He doesn't have the capacity, I don't think,
to handle all of her emotions,
and every time she calls, it's all about all of her problems, problems, problems.
You do dwell in your issues a lot.
[Tim] He-- He's shutting down.
-He's shutting down. -[Shekinah] And he's shutting down
'cause he can't handle it.
I think he's purposely avoiding her.
And it's understandable.
Wayne, are you purposely avoiding Holly?
There's not a man in this building,
that if he wanted to talk to his wife that he loved,
would not figure out a way to talk to her.
[Shekinah] He doesn't wanna talk to her.
It's the same thing every time.
[Linda] What are you gonna do to work on yourself
so you can help emotionally support your wife?
-He does emotionally support her. -[Linda] To a limit,
but if someone says, "My wife is too much..."
She is.
[Wayne speaking]
Wayne, are you thinking about ending this relationship?
[Holly sniffles]
Wow.
[sniffles and cries]
-[sniffles] -Holly, are you okay?
Yeah.
[sniffles]
Wayne, do you see a future for this relationship?
But what about now?
When I met Kenny, I was emotionally broken,
you know, with my past, with my family,
with losing Hannah's mom.
I had a whole set of issues,
and that's what made me fall for Kenny,
that he was never annoyed.
I was so needy, but he was there for me,
to love me and support me.
And I think that's what Holly needs.
That's why I am feeling for her.
I'm getting emotional now with him talking like that.
Because, sometimes, you know,
you got to put the other person first for a while.
-[Holly crying] -Baby, calm down.
Calm down, babes, calm down.
[Holly crying and sniffling]
-Baby, calm down. -[Holly crying]
[sniffles]
Where did she go?
[Shaun] Next time on 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way,
The Couples Tell All.
How would you feel if your daughter ended up
in a relationship exactly like this one?
I consider this a healthy relationship, so I would be happy.
For her to be controlled like that?
I don't feel like I'm being controlled.
Look who is talking.
The most toxic man in history, maybe.
I think there is a double standard.
You know, like, she doesn't want me talking to other girls,
but she's also posted videos of her in a bikini and stuff like that.
She's shaking her ass on social media,
but doesn't want Brandan to do anything.
A lot of people do that.
If he was shaking his butt in his Speedo,
she would not tolerate that at all.
Are you seriously coming up to me and confronting me?
-[Andrei speaking] -[Shekinah] Sit down.
-[Andrei speaking] -I don't know what you're talking about.
So get out of my face. Goodbye.
[Shekinah] Then stand there all day.
[Andrei speaking]
Okay, goodbye.
[Holly] Do you still love me?
[sniffles]
Do you still wanna be with me?
Did you and Dan date?
We weren't in a relationship.
How many dates did you guys go on?
-[Shekinah speaking] -[Tim speaking]
-[Dan] Ha. -Tim, what did you say?
No, we never have had sex, we've never been intimate, no.
What? Excuse me?
But that's fine.
Oh, my God.
Just be honest. Just for once
-in your life just tell the truth. -[in Spanish]
There have been a lot of women that Yohan has spoken with,
and we have one of them with us today.