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Tonight, part one
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of an incredible
two-part event.
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The couples are ready
to tell all.
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No. Not one [bleep] time.
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Yeah.
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Lily, on a scale of 1-10,
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how would you rate your
relationship with Josh today?
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She say three?
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Ohhh!
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It doesn't take away
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the hurt you gave me, Joanne.
I'm sorry.
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I mean, I tell you everything.
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- I tell you everything.
- Oh, I know. Oh, I know.
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I would never
treat my daughter
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the way that you
treat your daughter.
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You're overly opinionated
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and you're shoving your
opinions down her throat...
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- No, I'm not. No, I'm not.
- ...acting like she's entitled
to tell you everything.
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Shekinah,
you're a mom yourself,
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and yet you were
gonna go move to Turkey
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and leave
your daughter behind?
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- I mean,
I don't understand that.
- Oh, wow.
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There was an incident
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where Meitalia
accused James of cheating.
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My eyes
were wandering.
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When you corresponded
with Sarper,
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did he tell you
that he had a girlfriend?
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- Yes.
- He did. Okay.
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- Scroll, scroll, scroll.
- Oh, whoa.
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- Oh, whoa. Oh!
- Oh, that's... Oh!
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- Hold on!
- Sarper!
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And it all starts now.
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A lot has happened
since you guys last saw me,
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and I definitely have
some updates.
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I'm not gonna lie.
I'm not looking forward
to this.
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You know what?
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I honestly don't think
people will be surprised
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where me and Ingi are at.
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I'm surprised. This was not
what I envisioned.
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But I think a lot of people
saw this coming.
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Today is gonna be
really rough.
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I'm feeling very vulnerable.
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I feel like I'm
going into all this,
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basically, naked and alone.
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Tatha's back
by my side,
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and I wish it meant things
were easier and going great,
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but they're not.
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We have a mountain
of obstacles to overcome,
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and a lot we need
to talk about today.
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I'm really nervous
we're gonna be too far apart
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on some of these big issues.
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I'm worried about
getting judged and attacked.
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- Yeah.
- I did not make
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some of the smartest
decisions in my life.
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I actually came back to the US
for some family events,
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but I'm missing China
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because I don't like
being away from Lily.
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The only big concern
I have is Lily.
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She does get defensive.
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If she hears something
she doesn't like,
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that's when she really
becomes defensive,
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starts her arguing.
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So, hopefully she doesn't
get triggered
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by people asking us questions.
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- Hi!
- Oh.
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- How are you?
- Good.
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- How are you?
- Awesome.
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Today, I'm excited
to meet everybody.
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I feel like I'm as ready
as I can possible be,
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but being a psychic,
I pick up on
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everything that
they're feeling.
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So it kind of has me
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on the inside
going like...
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But that's why
we have crystals.
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I have one that's mundane,
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that's just for fun
and fashion,
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and then I have the other
that is here to protect,
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and then there are others
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to keep me balanced,
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in the "goddesses pockets,"
as I like to call it.
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So, how long have you
been sitting here alone?
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- A few moments.
- Okay.
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- You look amazing.
- Thank you.
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- I appreciate it.
- I can't believe
I'm seeing you in person.
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I know, right? It's like,
"Oh, here you are in person."
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So, who do you think
is here with a partner?
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I have a feeling we may have
a surprise today.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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- Hey.
- Hey.
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Oh, my goodness.
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Oh.
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Hey, you look good.
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- You look good too.
- You look amazing.
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How are you?
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- Oh, thank you.
- Wow.
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- You guys look amazing.
- Thank you so much.
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How's everybody feeling?
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Good.
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I've noticed
we're all really good
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at sharing our secrets
with our family.
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- I'm probably gonna get
crucified for that.
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I'm feeling, like, your vibe.
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Your whole aura
is like, "I'm chill."
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- Oh, gosh.
- Like, I don't know.
You must have
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some grounding crystals on
or something, but there's...
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- I have a few.
- Okay.
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- I have a few.
- I'm like,
"There's something going on."
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I have something
that I brought...
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- Yeah?
- ...and so I'm gonna
be right back.
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- All right.
- Okay.
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Surprises already.
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I know.
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She's sitting here,
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so I'm assuming Sean came.
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Yeah.
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He is always the
coolest looking person.
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I know.
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Oh, my God.
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Brought something.
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Oh, my goodness.
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I have Sean here.
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Yeah, I'm looking good.
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I mean,
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the universe opened up
and was like,
"Send him there,"
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and I was like, "Yes!"
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- What's up?
How are you?
- Okay, James Bond.
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- Good. I'm okay.
- Wow.
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- How are you?
- I'm doing good.
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So, I'm here in the States
at the minute,
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but I don't know how long
that's gonna last.
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It feels awesome to be here.
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It just feels awesome
to be with Jo.
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Oh, my God!
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- Hey!
- No way!
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What's up? How are you?
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Oh, my God.
So good to see you.
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- I knew she was here.
I knew she was here.
- This is Tatha.
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- "Where is she?"
- Hi!
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- Hi!
- That's awesome.
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- I love your dress.
- Me too!
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- Thank you.
- That dress is lovely.
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- All done now.
- I know.
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Oh, hey.
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Hi!
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- Hi! You too!
- Oh, my goodness.
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- I like them shoes.
- Casual.
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- How are you?
It's nice to meet you.
- Hi! Oh, my goodness.
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- You look so handsome.
- Thank you.
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Oh, I love the shirt.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I'm so excited to see
the other couples.
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But it's like,
I'm not soft partnering
anyone on this stage,
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so I'm telling everyone
what I think,
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and I really wanna talk about
Josh and Lily.
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Lily is a boss ass bitch,
and I love her,
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and I think
she deserves the world,
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and if Josh
can't give it to her,
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she needs to go get it
somewhere else.
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And I do think, sometimes,
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James tries to say
the right thing,
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and so that does come across
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a little beauty pageant
sometimes,
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and a little, like,
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you know,
"What are you sugarcoating?"
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It is so surreal
having Sarper here in the US.
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We'll find out, babe.
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I was dreaming about
this day coming.
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I was hoping for it.
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I was manifesting it.
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I need a wardrobe rack
and a mirror and a table.
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So,
how are you feeling?
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I'm all right.
I'm... [exhales] You know.
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Ingi's not gonna
be here, then?
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He better not be.
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What happened
with all that?
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I guess we're gonna
get into that,
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- you know?
- I guess we are.
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Me and Ingi are definitely
no longer together.
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I think, quite personally,
he is a jackass
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and fumbled the bag big time,
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and he will regret that for
the rest of his [bleep] life.
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You know...
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I don't really wanna
talk about my breakup.
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He lied about loving me.
He just walked away, like...
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I had a lot of love to give,
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but he was completely phony.
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You could see
that you were totally
in love with him, like.
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Yeah,
which I feel like
such a [bleep] idiot for.
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Well, don't. Lessons.
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- Ah, what's up?
- Hi, guys.
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- Good to meet you.
- What's up, brother?
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So excited.
I'll give you a hug.
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- Hey, there.
Good to see you.
- Hi!
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- Is Lily missing?
- How are you?
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- Hi, guys.
- Hi!
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- Hi, babe.
How are you?
- Hello. Nice to see you.
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You too.
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How are you guys?
Congratulations
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- on your engagement.
- Thanks.
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- Yeah,
congratulations.
- Thank you so much.
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- Thanks.
- Can we see the ring?
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Show it. Show it.
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I love it.
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Why would you say the price?
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I was disappointed.
I thought it was,
like, $20,000.
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- Yeah, add a one to the front.
- Yeah, I didn't
wanna know the price.
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Out of curiosity,
show of hands,
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who all here
is still in a relationship?
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Well, we are.
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Aw.
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You guys kind of have an idea
what this is all like, right?
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- Yeah.
- How stressed should we be?
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Just relax and just...
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Yeah. Let it just unfold.
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Yeah. I mean,
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you have to be
that strong in a relationship
to to do this
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because you get attacked
from everybody,
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and if you were
to let all of that
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affect your relationship,
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none of us would ever make it.
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Are you guys
splitting a butter stick?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Sarper and I
eat butter every day.
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We basically only eat meat,
butter, cheese,
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just, like, high fat foods
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because we're on
the carnivore diet, so...
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Mmm.
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No, thank you.
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All right.
Here we go.
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I can't get over
how cute Lily is.
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- I'm sorry. She's just
so [bleep] cute.
- I know.
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- Good morning.
Morning, everyone.
- Morning.
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- Hi. Hello.
- Hello.
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- Look at Sarper,
in the flesh!
- Yeah.
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Oh, my gosh.
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- How's everybody doing?
- Good.
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- How are you?
- All good. All good. Hello.
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- You know.
- We're here.
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Yeah.
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Lily, can you hear me?
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Oh, thank you, Lily.
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Thank you so much.
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Corona, look it.
You brought the shoes today.
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Oh, these old things?
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Ingi, you can hear me?
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- Yeah, I can hear you.
- Okay, good.
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Welcome to 90 Day Fiance:
The Other Way,
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the couples Tell All.
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I'm Shaun Robinson.
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Now, you may have noticed
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one of our The Other Way
couples is not present.
253
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Statler and Dempsey
have broken up
254
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and they will not
be joining us.
255
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However, we do have
256
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more people here in person
for The Other Way
257
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than ever before.
258
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It's not often
that our Americans
259
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pick up and move abroad,
260
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only to return to this country
with their partners.
261
00:13:42,482 --> 00:13:46,379
Sarper, Meitalia and Sean,
262
00:13:46,379 --> 00:13:48,413
welcome to the United States.
263
00:13:48,413 --> 00:13:50,000
- Hello.
- I know we all have
264
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a lot of questions for you.
265
00:13:52,310 --> 00:13:55,827
Sarper, the last time
we saw you and Shekinah,
266
00:13:55,827 --> 00:13:59,827
you were trying to get her
to stay in Turkey.
267
00:13:59,827 --> 00:14:01,931
But you're here. Why?
268
00:14:10,103 --> 00:14:11,793
But here's what I wanna know.
269
00:14:11,793 --> 00:14:14,137
You had to get a visa
to come here.
270
00:14:15,275 --> 00:14:16,206
- Right?
- Mmm-hmm.
271
00:14:16,206 --> 00:14:18,931
So the K-1 visa
is in process,
272
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and your 90 days as started?
273
00:14:22,275 --> 00:14:23,275
Mmm-hmm.
274
00:14:23,275 --> 00:14:24,586
Okay.
275
00:14:24,586 --> 00:14:27,965
I cannot wait to get into
how that happened.
276
00:14:29,103 --> 00:14:31,379
Josh and Lily,
277
00:14:31,379 --> 00:14:33,000
- how are you doing?
- Doing good.
278
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,206
It is good to see you.
279
00:14:34,206 --> 00:14:37,827
- We have an interpreter,
right, for Lily?
- Yes.
280
00:14:37,827 --> 00:14:39,413
Lily...
281
00:14:41,379 --> 00:14:44,448
How have things been, Josh,
since the wedding?
282
00:14:45,931 --> 00:14:48,724
- We've had
our ups and downs...
- Mmm-hmm.
283
00:14:48,724 --> 00:14:51,517
...but the last month,
it's actually been improving.
284
00:14:53,827 --> 00:14:56,689
Lily, how do you think
things have been going
285
00:14:56,689 --> 00:14:58,448
since you and Josh
got married?
286
00:15:04,896 --> 00:15:06,034
Aw.
287
00:15:24,586 --> 00:15:25,482
Yeah. Overall,
288
00:15:25,482 --> 00:15:27,724
we've had a very
rough relationship.
289
00:15:28,517 --> 00:15:29,655
Okay.
290
00:15:29,655 --> 00:15:32,689
We're gonna dive into that
in just a little bit,
291
00:15:32,689 --> 00:15:35,206
but, first, I'm gonna go
to Joanne and Sean.
292
00:15:35,206 --> 00:15:37,482
It is great
to see both of you.
293
00:15:37,482 --> 00:15:39,793
- Sean, once again, welcome.
- Thank you.
294
00:15:39,793 --> 00:15:42,103
The last that
we left the two of you,
295
00:15:42,103 --> 00:15:45,000
you were trying to decide
how to continue
296
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,000
- this long distance
relationship.
- Yeah.
297
00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,068
Now, Sean,
as we understood it,
298
00:15:50,068 --> 00:15:51,586
you had visa issues
299
00:15:51,586 --> 00:15:53,620
and could not even
visit America,
300
00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:57,241
but now you're sitting
right there next to Joanne.
301
00:15:57,793 --> 00:15:59,206
That is some news.
302
00:15:59,206 --> 00:16:00,793
- Yeah.
- And Joanne,
303
00:16:00,793 --> 00:16:03,379
- you look very,
very happy about that.
- Very. Yeah.
304
00:16:03,379 --> 00:16:05,068
Are you here for good?
305
00:16:05,068 --> 00:16:06,103
Not this time.
306
00:16:06,103 --> 00:16:07,620
Not permanently yet.
307
00:16:08,620 --> 00:16:11,103
Okay. Can't wait
to talk to you about that.
308
00:16:11,103 --> 00:16:13,482
All right. James and Meitalia.
309
00:16:13,482 --> 00:16:15,000
- Can I call you Tatha?
- Yeah.
310
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,275
Okay. Great.
311
00:16:16,275 --> 00:16:18,896
It's a surprise to see you
back in the States.
312
00:16:18,896 --> 00:16:20,586
You look very happy.
313
00:16:20,586 --> 00:16:23,206
Quite different from when
we left the two of you.
314
00:16:23,206 --> 00:16:25,448
You were just bawling.
315
00:16:26,275 --> 00:16:30,275
I mean, he left me,
so, yeah.
316
00:16:30,275 --> 00:16:31,482
Throughout your story,
317
00:16:31,482 --> 00:16:35,517
people understood how
emotional things were for you,
318
00:16:35,517 --> 00:16:37,172
I'd like to ask what it's like
319
00:16:37,172 --> 00:16:40,517
being here in America
the second time.
320
00:16:40,517 --> 00:16:42,068
It's still the same.
321
00:16:42,068 --> 00:16:44,103
It's hard.
322
00:16:44,103 --> 00:16:46,689
And we still have
a lot of arguments.
323
00:16:46,689 --> 00:16:49,275
But the relationship's changed
from before we left, for sure.
324
00:16:49,275 --> 00:16:50,689
It's different today
325
00:16:50,689 --> 00:16:52,586
- than it was before.
- It's different today
than it was. Yeah.
326
00:16:52,586 --> 00:16:53,793
Okay.
327
00:16:53,793 --> 00:16:58,275
I can tell there's a lot
to dig into underneath there,
328
00:16:58,275 --> 00:16:59,793
so we will get into it
329
00:16:59,793 --> 00:17:02,000
- in just a moment.
- We'll fill you in.
330
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,689
Corona and Ingi,
331
00:17:03,689 --> 00:17:04,689
- good to meet you.
- Hi.
332
00:17:04,689 --> 00:17:06,724
- How are you?
- I'm doing great.
333
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,448
Ingi, how are you?
334
00:17:09,310 --> 00:17:11,482
- Really good.
- Really good.
Okay. Now,
335
00:17:11,482 --> 00:17:13,827
the last time that
we saw the both of you,
336
00:17:13,827 --> 00:17:16,172
Corona, you were
struggling to decide
337
00:17:16,172 --> 00:17:19,827
whether or not you were
going to stay in Iceland,
338
00:17:19,827 --> 00:17:24,379
or come back and work on
your midwifery program.
339
00:17:24,379 --> 00:17:27,000
Have you made up
your mind yet?
340
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,310
Oh, a thousand
million billion percent.
341
00:17:29,724 --> 00:17:31,482
I am 100% back in school.
342
00:17:31,482 --> 00:17:32,724
- Back in school.
- Yes.
343
00:17:32,724 --> 00:17:36,448
And what is the status of
your relationship with Ingi?
344
00:17:38,793 --> 00:17:41,931
Was that a hand gesture
right there?
345
00:17:42,206 --> 00:17:43,689
We're nothing.
346
00:17:43,689 --> 00:17:45,586
We're not friends.
We're not anything.
347
00:17:45,586 --> 00:17:47,793
Like, I literally haven't
spoken to this person.
348
00:17:47,793 --> 00:17:49,862
I don't know who this man
on the screen is.
349
00:17:50,517 --> 00:17:51,862
Okay.
350
00:17:53,172 --> 00:17:56,379
I gave him so much attention
and love and everything,
351
00:17:56,379 --> 00:17:58,034
and then he just left.
352
00:17:59,724 --> 00:18:03,206
Ingi, how would you
describe your relationship
with Corona today?
353
00:18:03,206 --> 00:18:05,034
It's definitely nothing.
354
00:18:06,103 --> 00:18:08,482
- Definitely nothing?
- Yeah.
355
00:18:08,482 --> 00:18:10,310
Okay. All right.
356
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:12,931
Corona, did you even
say hi to Ingi?
357
00:18:15,413 --> 00:18:17,068
No. Why would I?
358
00:18:17,068 --> 00:18:18,620
Hi, Corona.
359
00:18:20,275 --> 00:18:22,413
And he's only
doing that to be a smart ass.
He didn't say hi to me either.
360
00:18:22,413 --> 00:18:24,413
So, no, we're good.
361
00:18:28,172 --> 00:18:29,827
And he's laughing
like the piece of
362
00:18:29,827 --> 00:18:31,206
- that he is.
- 100%.
363
00:18:31,206 --> 00:18:33,310
Definitely not
a good look for you, man.
364
00:18:35,689 --> 00:18:38,172
Sean, why did you
call him that?
365
00:18:38,172 --> 00:18:39,931
'Cause he is.
He's a piece of [bleep].
366
00:18:39,931 --> 00:18:42,310
You know what you're doing.
You're a piece of [bleep].
367
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,931
- What?
- Don't "What?".
368
00:18:44,931 --> 00:18:46,758
You know exactly
what you're doing.
369
00:18:47,689 --> 00:18:50,137
- You're a scumbag.
You're a scumbag.
- No.
370
00:18:50,793 --> 00:18:52,275
No, I'm not.
371
00:18:52,275 --> 00:18:53,758
You really are, though.
372
00:18:54,413 --> 00:18:56,000
You really [bleep] are.
373
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,379
He made this woman
think he was in love with her.
374
00:18:59,379 --> 00:19:00,724
It was just bull [bleep].
375
00:19:05,103 --> 00:19:06,206
Why the
did you even show up
376
00:19:06,206 --> 00:19:07,379
if you're just gonna
be here lying
377
00:19:07,379 --> 00:19:09,655
with that smug [bleep] smile
on your face?
378
00:19:11,413 --> 00:19:13,310
What the [bleep]?
379
00:19:18,724 --> 00:19:21,000
I didn't know that there was
that motive behind it.
380
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,724
I thought he just, like,
loved me.
381
00:19:24,172 --> 00:19:25,689
Sarper, had you known
382
00:19:25,689 --> 00:19:28,896
that you would end up here
in the United States,
383
00:19:28,896 --> 00:19:30,482
would you have still proposed?
384
00:19:35,379 --> 00:19:38,000
That's a really long pause.
...a long pause.
385
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,310
Ohhh!
386
00:19:46,517 --> 00:19:48,206
Has Angel ever apologized
387
00:19:48,206 --> 00:19:50,310
- for, like, the lies
she's made up?
- She did!
388
00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:52,103
She did apologize
to him twice.
389
00:19:52,103 --> 00:19:54,103
Like, the next morning,
390
00:19:54,103 --> 00:19:56,310
she was already, like,
right back to the old ways.
391
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:58,482
She's wanting to
come into the relationship
392
00:19:58,482 --> 00:19:59,517
and destroy it.
393
00:20:12,068 --> 00:20:14,310
What the [bleep]?
394
00:20:15,793 --> 00:20:17,931
Let's move on.
Let's move the [bleep] on.
395
00:20:21,586 --> 00:20:23,379
Okay so, obviously,
396
00:20:23,379 --> 00:20:26,689
there is a lot that
we need to talk about.
397
00:20:26,689 --> 00:20:28,689
We're gonna give everybody
plenty of time
398
00:20:28,689 --> 00:20:30,758
to express
their points of view.
399
00:20:30,758 --> 00:20:33,413
But first,
it is time to dig in
400
00:20:33,413 --> 00:20:36,000
with our first couple
in the hot seat.
401
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,896
Is everybody ready?
402
00:20:37,896 --> 00:20:39,586
- Mmm-hmm.
- Let's do it.
403
00:20:39,586 --> 00:20:40,758
Yeah.
404
00:20:40,758 --> 00:20:42,586
Shekinah and Sarper,
are you ready to get into it?
405
00:20:42,586 --> 00:20:44,275
- Yeah.
- Let's do it.
406
00:20:44,275 --> 00:20:46,689
While Sarper did end up
coming to America,
407
00:20:46,689 --> 00:20:50,689
he had initially hoped
to convince Shekinah
to stay in Turkey,
408
00:20:50,689 --> 00:20:54,758
a plan he told his family
but kept hidden from her.
409
00:20:54,758 --> 00:20:58,206
Shekinah, how did you feel
when you found that out?
410
00:21:00,482 --> 00:21:02,482
I didn't know that there was
that motive behind it.
411
00:21:02,482 --> 00:21:05,931
I thought he just, like,
loved me.
412
00:21:05,931 --> 00:21:08,172
But it didn't
work for him, clearly.
413
00:21:08,172 --> 00:21:10,172
I mean, here he is in the US.
414
00:21:27,482 --> 00:21:29,310
- Is that right, Shekinah?
- Yeah.
415
00:21:29,310 --> 00:21:30,896
You just could not
adapt to Turkey?
416
00:21:30,896 --> 00:21:33,620
I gave it my best shot,
but it was just too difficult.
417
00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:36,620
He knows English,
so it's easier for him
to adapt to the US.
418
00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:37,896
I don't know Turkish.
419
00:21:43,896 --> 00:21:45,896
Yeah, that's
the biggest thing.
420
00:21:45,896 --> 00:21:47,689
The feeling of being
that far from her
421
00:21:47,689 --> 00:21:49,310
was just too difficult
422
00:21:49,310 --> 00:21:51,103
for me, long term,
to deal with.
423
00:21:51,103 --> 00:21:53,586
Do you consider yourself
an American now, Sarper?
424
00:21:53,586 --> 00:21:55,275
- No.
- No.
You said, "No.
425
00:21:55,275 --> 00:21:56,724
Not at all. Not at all."
426
00:21:58,517 --> 00:22:00,344
- One week? That's it?
- Mmm-hmm.
427
00:22:00,689 --> 00:22:02,310
Sarper, you proposed
428
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:05,689
thinking it would
lead Shekinah
to stay in Turkey.
429
00:22:05,689 --> 00:22:07,206
Had you known that you would
430
00:22:07,206 --> 00:22:09,689
end up here
in the United States,
431
00:22:09,689 --> 00:22:11,689
would you have still proposed?
432
00:22:11,689 --> 00:22:13,620
That's a good question, actually.
433
00:22:18,689 --> 00:22:21,275
- That's a really long pause.
- You're taking
a long pause.
434
00:22:21,275 --> 00:22:22,793
Don't even answer, actually.
435
00:22:22,793 --> 00:22:24,310
- Ohhh!
- I don't need
your answer.
436
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,137
I mean...
437
00:22:50,896 --> 00:22:53,310
Yeah. Long distance
is very difficult.
438
00:23:03,586 --> 00:23:04,827
That's normal.
439
00:23:07,793 --> 00:23:10,413
Jealous, possessive
and territorial.
440
00:23:27,275 --> 00:23:29,310
Yeah. Don't go out.
441
00:23:30,620 --> 00:23:32,517
Yeah. Stay in the orbit, babe.
442
00:23:32,517 --> 00:23:34,206
- Stay in the lane.
Don't go out.
- Stay in the orbit.
443
00:23:34,206 --> 00:23:36,206
What do you think
444
00:23:36,689 --> 00:23:38,172
could happen in the US?
445
00:23:38,172 --> 00:23:40,793
- I mean, he's in Los Angeles.
- We live
in Los Angeles.
446
00:23:40,793 --> 00:23:42,241
A lot could happen.
447
00:23:43,586 --> 00:23:44,758
There you go.
448
00:23:46,517 --> 00:23:47,689
He landed and said,
449
00:23:47,689 --> 00:23:50,482
"Parents, lock up
your daughters."
450
00:23:50,482 --> 00:23:52,827
- That's what he said
when he got off the plane.
- Oh, my God.
451
00:23:55,620 --> 00:23:57,275
- Same...
- "Lock the window."
452
00:23:57,275 --> 00:23:58,793
That is
definitely worse.
453
00:23:58,793 --> 00:24:01,310
- I think I have a good reason
to not fully trust you.
- That is worse.
454
00:24:03,172 --> 00:24:04,620
Is that just his humor?
455
00:24:04,620 --> 00:24:05,689
- Like, I don't know. Like...
- Yes,
456
00:24:05,689 --> 00:24:08,862
but I feel like,
behind, like, jokes like that,
457
00:24:08,862 --> 00:24:10,482
there's gotta be a little...
I mean,
458
00:24:10,482 --> 00:24:12,000
his mind is there.
459
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,482
Whether it's coming out
as a joke or not,
460
00:24:13,482 --> 00:24:15,827
- he's thinking, you know...
- Okay.
461
00:24:19,586 --> 00:24:20,827
You know...
462
00:24:24,586 --> 00:24:25,827
Okay.
463
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:31,206
Oh, my God, babe.
464
00:24:31,206 --> 00:24:32,862
I understand
465
00:24:32,862 --> 00:24:34,413
- where he's coming from.
- Just don't
talk anymore.
466
00:24:34,413 --> 00:24:35,862
- You do, James?
- I do.
467
00:24:35,862 --> 00:24:37,517
- I actually do.
- Well,
tell us, please.
468
00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:39,689
I have a terrible
sense of humor. She hates it.
469
00:24:39,689 --> 00:24:42,000
- When she first came here,
she absolutely hated it.
- I do.
470
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,482
And I told her,
"All right, well,
471
00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:46,103
when we go out in public,
if we're leaving the house,
472
00:24:46,103 --> 00:24:47,793
there's two rules
you should always remember.
473
00:24:47,793 --> 00:24:50,517
One, keep my hand full
and my balls empty
474
00:24:50,517 --> 00:24:52,620
and you won't ever have
to worry about anything."
475
00:24:52,620 --> 00:24:54,310
- Before we leave the house...
- James,
what the [bleep]?
476
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:55,586
- It always
should just...
- Wow.
477
00:24:55,586 --> 00:24:57,275
- What?
- It should
always be that way.
478
00:24:57,275 --> 00:24:58,551
You empty
your own balls.
479
00:24:58,551 --> 00:25:00,586
- Like, that's not
her responsibility...
- No?
480
00:25:00,586 --> 00:25:02,172
- ...to keep
your balls empty.
- We're married.
481
00:25:02,172 --> 00:25:04,172
You know, she's always like,
482
00:25:04,172 --> 00:25:05,379
"I don't want you
looking anywhere,"
483
00:25:05,379 --> 00:25:06,689
and if you think
I'm looking somewhere--
484
00:25:06,689 --> 00:25:08,275
So, if you got full balls,
you'll be looking?
485
00:25:08,275 --> 00:25:10,172
No, but if you think
I'm looking somewhere,
486
00:25:10,172 --> 00:25:11,689
and you ever feel that way,
487
00:25:11,689 --> 00:25:14,172
if you made sure that things
were taken care of,
488
00:25:14,172 --> 00:25:15,517
you'd never have to
worry about that
489
00:25:15,517 --> 00:25:17,517
because you'd know,
"Well, he's got nothing
to think about."
490
00:25:17,517 --> 00:25:18,724
Well, how does that
make her feel
491
00:25:18,724 --> 00:25:21,068
- when you're not
in the same country?
- Yeah.
492
00:25:21,068 --> 00:25:22,620
- When we're not
in the same country--
- With full balls.
493
00:25:22,620 --> 00:25:23,862
Oh, my goodness.
494
00:25:23,862 --> 00:25:25,275
No, no, no. Phone sex.
495
00:25:25,275 --> 00:25:26,827
Yeah.
496
00:25:28,896 --> 00:25:32,241
Since you have
moved to the States, Sarper,
497
00:25:33,275 --> 00:25:36,068
can you go out by yourself
without Shekinah?
498
00:25:36,068 --> 00:25:37,275
I didn't yet.
499
00:25:37,275 --> 00:25:38,517
You have not yet.
500
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,137
You don't need to
ask permission.
501
00:25:49,103 --> 00:25:50,655
You're not a prisoner.
502
00:25:51,482 --> 00:25:52,724
So, he can go out...
503
00:25:52,724 --> 00:25:53,896
- Do you feel like
you're a prisoner?
- You feel like
504
00:25:53,896 --> 00:25:56,137
- you're a prisoner?
- He's not.
505
00:25:57,620 --> 00:25:58,896
If you turn
your phone location on,
506
00:25:58,896 --> 00:26:00,724
I bet she'll let you go
wherever you wanna go.
507
00:26:02,689 --> 00:26:04,000
Oh, wow.
508
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,793
So, do you track his location?
509
00:26:05,793 --> 00:26:08,000
- I can't. He won't let me.
- No. No.
510
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,172
Oh, you don't
share your location.
511
00:26:10,172 --> 00:26:11,620
No, he doesn't.
512
00:26:12,482 --> 00:26:13,655
I mean...
513
00:26:22,379 --> 00:26:24,310
So shady.
514
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:26,172
She can't hold your phone,
or, like, you don't want her
515
00:26:26,172 --> 00:26:28,000
going through your phone,
kind of thing?
516
00:26:31,517 --> 00:26:34,793
What is happening there,
since you bring it up?
517
00:26:34,793 --> 00:26:36,000
- Why don't you
want her to see?
- Yeah.
518
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,448
If she
went through it right now,
519
00:26:37,448 --> 00:26:39,724
would she see something
that would make her upset,
do you think?
520
00:26:40,482 --> 00:26:41,724
All right.
521
00:26:51,793 --> 00:26:52,896
Well, I can see why
522
00:26:52,896 --> 00:26:54,689
- she would wanna
go through the DMs now.
- What?
523
00:26:54,689 --> 00:26:56,931
Wait, they're sending you
some what?
524
00:26:57,482 --> 00:26:59,172
Yeah, I mean, you know...
525
00:26:59,172 --> 00:27:01,620
- Yeah, lads' group.
Group chat.
- A guy. Yeah.
526
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,482
Naked women,
527
00:27:03,482 --> 00:27:05,517
porn videos.
528
00:27:08,379 --> 00:27:10,517
- That's not a friends' group.
- What the hell?
529
00:27:10,517 --> 00:27:13,241
That's just
a random group chat
that you're a part of?
530
00:27:23,896 --> 00:27:26,896
What?
531
00:27:28,758 --> 00:27:30,000
What?
532
00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:33,896
Is this the first time
you're hearing this?
533
00:27:35,172 --> 00:27:37,482
Yes. This is gross.
534
00:27:37,482 --> 00:27:38,896
- It's not, babe.
- It is gross.
535
00:27:38,896 --> 00:27:42,620
I don't want him imagining
and describing to his friends
536
00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:44,275
- what he would do
to someone else.
- Right.
537
00:27:44,275 --> 00:27:45,620
- That's not good.
- Like, that feels gross.
538
00:27:47,793 --> 00:27:49,586
- So, are you talking
in this group chat.
- No.
539
00:27:49,586 --> 00:27:52,103
Are you commenting
what you would do
to these people?
540
00:27:57,482 --> 00:27:59,793
So, you don't participate
in that group chat.
541
00:27:59,793 --> 00:28:01,586
- No, no, no, no.
- But you just
look at everything.
542
00:28:01,586 --> 00:28:03,896
But you don't ever
message or interact?
543
00:28:22,241 --> 00:28:24,000
- That's comforting.
Every girl loves to hear that.
- Great plan.
544
00:28:26,275 --> 00:28:28,586
Well,
when Shekinah and Sarper
545
00:28:28,586 --> 00:28:31,103
first applied
for his K-1 visa,
546
00:28:31,103 --> 00:28:33,689
her friend Josh
voiced concerns.
547
00:28:33,689 --> 00:28:36,206
And now that that visa
has been approved,
548
00:28:36,206 --> 00:28:39,482
we want to find out
if those feelings
have changed.
549
00:28:39,482 --> 00:28:43,137
From Los Angeles,
please welcome Josh.
550
00:28:45,103 --> 00:28:46,586
- Hi, Josh.
- Oh, Josh.
551
00:28:46,586 --> 00:28:48,275
How are you?
- How are you?
552
00:28:48,275 --> 00:28:50,413
- Amazing.
- Thanks for
joining us.
553
00:28:50,413 --> 00:28:51,896
Tell us, how do you feel about
554
00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:53,689
Sarper being
in the United States
555
00:28:53,689 --> 00:28:56,482
with less than 90 days
556
00:28:56,482 --> 00:28:58,931
to get married to Shekinah?
557
00:28:58,931 --> 00:29:01,689
Oh, [bleep],
where do I start?
558
00:29:03,517 --> 00:29:05,517
I have a lot of concerns,
obviously.
559
00:29:06,482 --> 00:29:08,482
The excessive jealousy
and the controlling factors.
560
00:29:08,482 --> 00:29:10,482
I mean, that's...
It's hindering.
561
00:29:10,482 --> 00:29:13,000
I mean, you already walk into
a relationship with issues,
562
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,413
and these are severe issues,
563
00:29:14,413 --> 00:29:17,103
these aren't issues
that have compounded
over a few days.
564
00:29:17,103 --> 00:29:19,275
This...
it's already happening.
565
00:29:19,275 --> 00:29:22,310
You're talking about jealousy
on the part of Shekinah?
566
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:24,586
- Both. I see both.
- Both. Okay.
567
00:29:24,586 --> 00:29:26,103
I just don't want it
to become an issue
568
00:29:26,103 --> 00:29:27,482
later on
down the road, Sarper,
569
00:29:27,482 --> 00:29:29,034
because, you know,
she kind of does have
570
00:29:29,034 --> 00:29:31,137
a lot of "male acquaintances"
that are all close
and who are--
571
00:29:34,172 --> 00:29:35,620
...you know?
572
00:29:35,620 --> 00:29:38,586
- Shekinah, Josh is
a good friend of yours, right?
- Yes.
573
00:29:38,586 --> 00:29:40,103
- He's one of my best friends.
- Okay.
574
00:29:40,103 --> 00:29:41,379
Best friends.
575
00:29:41,379 --> 00:29:44,103
Josh doesn't sleep with women,
so we're good.
576
00:29:50,689 --> 00:29:52,275
But also, Sarper,
it works both ways
577
00:29:52,275 --> 00:29:54,586
because,
since you're here in LA,
you'll be in our group,
578
00:29:54,586 --> 00:29:55,724
so there'll be female friends
579
00:29:55,724 --> 00:29:58,103
who you'll have as well,
called acquaintances.
580
00:29:58,586 --> 00:30:00,103
No, he won't, but,
581
00:30:00,103 --> 00:30:01,620
that's cute.
Okay. Okay.
582
00:30:06,517 --> 00:30:07,724
Yeah.
583
00:30:09,068 --> 00:30:11,000
Does that make sense
to you guys?
584
00:30:11,586 --> 00:30:14,413
- To me, no.
- Not really, no.
585
00:30:14,413 --> 00:30:16,068
100%.
586
00:30:16,068 --> 00:30:17,862
Tatha, you know
about jealousy.
587
00:30:17,862 --> 00:30:19,793
Yes.
588
00:30:19,793 --> 00:30:21,241
You certainly do.
589
00:30:22,379 --> 00:30:24,586
Can James have
any female friends?
590
00:30:24,586 --> 00:30:26,689
- No. Mmm-mmm.
- No.
591
00:30:26,689 --> 00:30:29,103
Absolutely not.
592
00:30:29,103 --> 00:30:32,275
- And that's with a capital N,
by the way.
- Yeah. No.
593
00:30:32,275 --> 00:30:34,379
I get it, you know.
Lily tells me,
594
00:30:34,379 --> 00:30:35,896
"The day I stop being jealous
595
00:30:35,896 --> 00:30:37,758
is the day I'm not
in love with you."
596
00:30:38,275 --> 00:30:40,103
And I get that from her.
597
00:30:40,103 --> 00:30:42,413
To each their own.
598
00:30:48,896 --> 00:30:51,103
- Mmm-hmm.
- Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
599
00:30:51,482 --> 00:30:52,862
As we know, in the past,
600
00:30:52,862 --> 00:30:56,379
Sarper has known
a lot of women in his life,
601
00:30:56,379 --> 00:30:59,103
including, he claims,
thousands of lovers.
602
00:30:59,103 --> 00:31:00,620
- Twenty-five-hundred?
- Yeah.
603
00:31:00,620 --> 00:31:02,586
- Yeah.
2,500, actually.
- I mean...
604
00:31:02,586 --> 00:31:05,310
And one of them
is with us tonight.
605
00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:06,689
She has kept in touch
with Sarper
606
00:31:06,689 --> 00:31:08,172
and has a unique perspective
607
00:31:08,172 --> 00:31:10,310
on who Sarper really is.
608
00:31:12,689 --> 00:31:14,758
Please welcome Deedee.
609
00:31:23,275 --> 00:31:25,000
I went to his apartment.
610
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,482
We drank, we hung out,
611
00:31:27,482 --> 00:31:30,206
- and we stayed in touch.
- Ohhh.
612
00:31:30,206 --> 00:31:31,862
- You stayed in touch
until when?
- When's the last time
613
00:31:31,862 --> 00:31:33,068
- you messaged him?
- Until when? Yeah.
614
00:31:33,068 --> 00:31:34,655
Yeah.
615
00:31:35,689 --> 00:31:37,896
- I don't...
- Let her answer.
616
00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:51,310
Please welcome Deedee.
617
00:31:54,448 --> 00:31:56,000
- Hi.
- Hi, Deedee.
618
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,793
Hi, Sarper. Hi!
619
00:31:59,689 --> 00:32:01,793
- What is this?
- Sarper,
you look stunned.
620
00:32:02,965 --> 00:32:04,310
Hello.
621
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:06,517
- Oh, my God.
- Sarper, you remember
Deedee, right?
622
00:32:07,137 --> 00:32:08,620
He has to. His face.
623
00:32:12,172 --> 00:32:14,586
Oh, I want popcorn.
624
00:32:14,586 --> 00:32:16,379
Shekinah, have you
ever heard of Deedee?
625
00:32:16,379 --> 00:32:18,000
No, I haven't.
626
00:32:19,241 --> 00:32:20,551
All right. Deedee,
627
00:32:20,551 --> 00:32:23,000
how long have you
known Sarper?
628
00:32:24,137 --> 00:32:27,827
Um, I met Sarper, I think,
three years ago.
629
00:32:28,586 --> 00:32:30,620
And how well
do you know Sarper?
630
00:32:31,137 --> 00:32:33,275
I think we're friends.
631
00:32:33,275 --> 00:32:34,793
- I consider us--
- You're friends?
632
00:32:34,793 --> 00:32:36,344
Friends. Yeah.
633
00:32:36,344 --> 00:32:38,344
Sarper doesn't have
any friends that are females.
634
00:32:38,344 --> 00:32:39,689
So you're not friends, honey.
635
00:32:39,689 --> 00:32:40,724
Do you think you're friends
right now?
636
00:32:40,724 --> 00:32:42,068
You're not
friends with Sarper.
637
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,206
Is that your friend?
638
00:32:48,482 --> 00:32:49,482
Yeah.
639
00:32:49,482 --> 00:32:51,034
So you were
one of the one-night stands.
640
00:32:51,034 --> 00:32:52,172
- Yeah.
- Okay.
641
00:32:52,172 --> 00:32:53,172
Okay.
642
00:32:53,172 --> 00:32:54,482
How did you two meet?
643
00:32:56,103 --> 00:32:57,172
Yeah.
644
00:32:59,137 --> 00:33:00,482
Oh, that's nice.
645
00:33:02,172 --> 00:33:06,000
And when did you guys like
first get together?
646
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,448
During Covid.
647
00:33:07,448 --> 00:33:10,379
Um, and I went
to his apartment.
648
00:33:10,379 --> 00:33:13,586
We drank, We hung out.
649
00:33:13,586 --> 00:33:17,000
It was fun,
and we stayed in touch.
650
00:33:19,689 --> 00:33:21,068
Oof!
651
00:33:21,068 --> 00:33:22,793
You stayed in touch
until when?
652
00:33:22,793 --> 00:33:23,862
- When was the
last time you messaged him?
- Until when? Yeah.
653
00:33:23,862 --> 00:33:24,896
Yeah.
654
00:33:24,896 --> 00:33:26,000
I don't know.
655
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,586
- I think it was--
- Let her answer it.
656
00:33:28,068 --> 00:33:29,758
Uh, November.
657
00:33:29,758 --> 00:33:31,758
Of this year?
Or last year, I mean.
658
00:33:31,758 --> 00:33:33,379
Mmm-hmm.
659
00:33:35,551 --> 00:33:41,103
When you corresponded
with Sarper in November,
660
00:33:41,103 --> 00:33:45,310
did he tell you
that he had a girlfriend?
661
00:33:48,965 --> 00:33:50,896
- Yes.
- He did? Okay.
662
00:33:50,896 --> 00:33:53,689
Because when
I was going to Turkey,
663
00:33:53,689 --> 00:33:57,793
I told him,
if he wanted to hang out,
664
00:33:57,793 --> 00:33:59,103
I would meet her...
665
00:33:59,862 --> 00:34:01,275
- Hang out. You know.
- What?
666
00:34:01,275 --> 00:34:04,103
If she wanted.
It didn't matter.
667
00:34:04,103 --> 00:34:05,793
Yeah, I'll pass on that.
668
00:34:05,793 --> 00:34:07,379
Thanks.
669
00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:09,103
So you actually
wanted to meet Shekinah?
670
00:34:09,103 --> 00:34:10,275
Yeah, but he said no
671
00:34:10,275 --> 00:34:14,000
because she's possessive
and unpredictable.
672
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,482
Oh, wow.
That's what you said?
673
00:34:21,068 --> 00:34:23,379
"Unpredictable"? Like...
674
00:34:23,379 --> 00:34:26,655
- That's so weird.
- And I want him
to be happy.
675
00:34:26,655 --> 00:34:29,000
- Like, I would love
to know her.
- He is happy.
676
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,379
I would love for him
to be happy.
677
00:34:31,379 --> 00:34:33,689
It's weird
that she thought
we could hang out.
678
00:34:33,689 --> 00:34:36,517
Like, that's... insane.
679
00:34:42,344 --> 00:34:43,689
Yeah.
680
00:34:48,068 --> 00:34:49,068
Go ahead.
681
00:34:52,172 --> 00:34:54,275
Yes. Yes.
682
00:35:10,793 --> 00:35:13,896
Before he was with like
every girl, every--
683
00:35:13,896 --> 00:35:15,379
every one-night stand.
684
00:35:15,379 --> 00:35:18,896
But right now,
from what I know of him,
685
00:35:18,896 --> 00:35:22,275
I just feel like
he will never cheat.
686
00:35:22,655 --> 00:35:23,689
I really think that.
687
00:35:23,689 --> 00:35:26,448
And, um, I think
that he will be very honest
688
00:35:26,448 --> 00:35:27,689
and very loyal.
689
00:35:30,965 --> 00:35:35,413
DeeDee,
do you think that Sarper
is afraid of Shekinah?
690
00:35:36,448 --> 00:35:40,896
I think that
it's the possessiveness,
691
00:35:40,896 --> 00:35:43,689
and like he says,
692
00:35:43,689 --> 00:35:47,379
he doesn't feel like
he can go anywhere
or have friends.
693
00:35:47,379 --> 00:35:48,413
What?
694
00:35:48,413 --> 00:35:51,482
Um, I think it does seem
a little bit toxic,
695
00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:54,551
- like unhealthy
in a lot of ways.
- Okay.
696
00:35:54,551 --> 00:35:55,896
That's fine.
697
00:35:55,896 --> 00:35:58,448
I really don't care
what you think
about our relationship.
698
00:35:58,448 --> 00:36:02,275
And like I said, I don't think
that he will cheat.
699
00:36:02,862 --> 00:36:04,586
- Um--
- Based on what?
700
00:36:04,586 --> 00:36:06,551
- Based on what?
- I think he's a good guy.
701
00:36:06,551 --> 00:36:08,896
I just think it's funny
you have such an opinion.
702
00:36:08,896 --> 00:36:11,586
Like, you don't even know him.
703
00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:15,172
Like, a one night stand,
and you're like,
"No, he wouldn't cheat."
704
00:36:15,172 --> 00:36:16,896
We do text.
705
00:36:16,896 --> 00:36:20,241
I mean, we talked about,
like, meeting up
706
00:36:20,241 --> 00:36:22,344
several other times.
I would be working,
707
00:36:22,344 --> 00:36:23,689
or something
would be going on,
708
00:36:23,689 --> 00:36:26,655
and, you know,
we didn't meet up.
709
00:36:26,655 --> 00:36:28,758
Okay, I'm going to go.
710
00:36:28,758 --> 00:36:30,379
I'll come back
when she's not here.
711
00:36:30,379 --> 00:36:31,793
So, how about that?
712
00:36:33,172 --> 00:36:35,379
Just let me know
when she's off the screen,
713
00:36:35,379 --> 00:36:38,172
'cause I can't look at
whatever that is any longer.
714
00:36:49,896 --> 00:36:51,896
To find out they
were texting in November,
715
00:36:51,896 --> 00:36:54,275
like, I'm so upset about that.
716
00:36:54,275 --> 00:36:56,448
And, what, she slept with him
one night?
717
00:36:56,448 --> 00:36:58,827
So did 2,500 other women.
718
00:37:03,586 --> 00:37:05,551
So you just
had that one night.
719
00:37:05,551 --> 00:37:08,724
And how many times
have you corresponded
720
00:37:09,068 --> 00:37:11,689
just via DM, text?
721
00:37:13,379 --> 00:37:15,827
- Two or three times?
- You've had three
conversations in life?
722
00:37:17,379 --> 00:37:19,275
I mean...
723
00:37:20,172 --> 00:37:22,000
How does she know
so much about you?
724
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,068
Three times.
725
00:37:23,068 --> 00:37:24,482
We talked a lot.
726
00:37:24,896 --> 00:37:26,103
You remember everything,
727
00:37:26,103 --> 00:37:27,931
just not how many times
we texted.
728
00:37:28,655 --> 00:37:31,000
You can see if you want,
how much we text.
729
00:37:33,172 --> 00:37:34,689
Scroll, scroll, scroll!
730
00:37:34,689 --> 00:37:36,000
Oh, whoa!
731
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,034
- Wait a second!
- Oh, no!
732
00:37:37,034 --> 00:37:39,896
These receipts needed
to come out long ago.
733
00:37:45,965 --> 00:37:49,517
Okay. Shekinah is refusing
to leave her dressing room.
734
00:37:51,275 --> 00:37:53,793
I've dealt with his past
ever since we met.
735
00:37:53,793 --> 00:37:55,172
It was the bottle collection,
736
00:37:55,172 --> 00:37:56,586
it was exes reaching out,
737
00:37:56,586 --> 00:38:00,275
it was his book,
and now it's this person.
738
00:38:00,275 --> 00:38:01,344
It's just insane.
739
00:38:01,344 --> 00:38:04,482
He needs to be the man
that I need him to be.
740
00:38:04,482 --> 00:38:05,655
And if he can't catch on,
741
00:38:05,655 --> 00:38:07,827
then we can't
walk down the aisle.
742
00:38:17,758 --> 00:38:20,896
So when it came to
the question I asked
743
00:38:20,896 --> 00:38:22,689
about how many times
you were DM'ing
744
00:38:22,689 --> 00:38:25,172
and you said
"two or three times,"
that was not truthful.
745
00:38:26,586 --> 00:38:28,068
She just scrolled.
746
00:38:29,068 --> 00:38:30,827
That was a lot of
"two or three times."
747
00:38:31,655 --> 00:38:34,344
The most recent was
November 10th,
748
00:38:34,344 --> 00:38:36,586
and he said,
"Are you in the US or Turkey?"
749
00:38:36,586 --> 00:38:39,689
And this was 2022.
He just sent a picture.
750
00:38:39,689 --> 00:38:41,793
- Okay,
this is before Shekinah.
- Before Shekinah.
751
00:38:41,793 --> 00:38:43,793
- Okay. So, DeeDee...
- Yeah.
752
00:38:43,793 --> 00:38:47,172
...how many different
threads are there?
753
00:38:47,758 --> 00:38:51,068
Four, five,
six, seven, eight--
754
00:38:51,068 --> 00:38:52,551
This was before
the relationship.
755
00:38:52,551 --> 00:38:53,379
- It was.
- Yeah.
756
00:38:53,379 --> 00:38:54,137
It was.
757
00:38:54,137 --> 00:38:55,482
It was before.
758
00:38:55,482 --> 00:38:57,275
Well, no.
No, there was some--
759
00:38:57,275 --> 00:38:58,862
- Some texting--
- ...crossover.
760
00:38:58,862 --> 00:39:01,137
I feel he handled it right,
though, because he did say,
761
00:39:01,137 --> 00:39:02,689
"I'm in a rela--"
Although he did say
that one weird thing.
762
00:39:02,689 --> 00:39:04,068
But he said,
"I'm in a relationship."
763
00:39:04,068 --> 00:39:05,310
Yeah.
764
00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:10,241
Okay, Shekinah is refusing
to leave her dressing room.
765
00:39:13,965 --> 00:39:16,793
All right, so it seems
like we should pause here,
766
00:39:16,793 --> 00:39:20,275
and hopefully Shekinah
will be back out with us soon.
767
00:39:20,275 --> 00:39:22,103
She will. Yeah.
768
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,862
DeeDee, thank you so much.
769
00:39:24,862 --> 00:39:27,241
- I know this was pretty
uncomfortable for you...
- Thank you!
770
00:39:27,241 --> 00:39:29,448
- But we certainly
appreciate you being here.
- No!
771
00:39:29,448 --> 00:39:30,793
It was totally fine.
772
00:39:30,793 --> 00:39:32,275
It's nice to meet you guys.
773
00:39:32,275 --> 00:39:35,482
And, Josh,
we appreciate
you being here also.
774
00:39:35,482 --> 00:39:37,896
- You are a good friend
to Shekinah, so...
- Thank you.
775
00:39:37,896 --> 00:39:41,103
- Thank you.
- ...we hope
that friendship lasts.
776
00:39:41,965 --> 00:39:43,172
It will.
777
00:39:44,862 --> 00:39:46,379
Let's take a quick break,
778
00:39:46,379 --> 00:39:49,103
but we will pick this back up
in a minute.
779
00:39:52,172 --> 00:39:53,517
Yes, yes.
780
00:39:58,103 --> 00:40:00,241
Sarper should have
followed me up here.
781
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,965
I've dealt with this past
ever since we met,
782
00:40:03,965 --> 00:40:05,275
and I'm tired of it.
783
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,379
It was the bottle collection,
784
00:40:08,379 --> 00:40:09,793
it was exes reaching out,
785
00:40:09,793 --> 00:40:13,310
it was his book,
and now it's this person.
786
00:40:13,689 --> 00:40:14,793
I'm tired of it.
787
00:40:19,896 --> 00:40:21,206
Knock, knock.
788
00:40:22,793 --> 00:40:24,413
- Shekinah?
- Yeah?
789
00:40:25,034 --> 00:40:26,689
- Are you okay?
- Yes.
790
00:40:26,689 --> 00:40:28,275
- I'm good.
- Yeah?
791
00:40:28,275 --> 00:40:29,413
- Yeah.
- Are you upset?
792
00:40:30,172 --> 00:40:31,931
I'm annoyed.
793
00:40:45,379 --> 00:40:47,172
I feel okay, but I don't know.
794
00:40:47,172 --> 00:40:49,862
He just [bleep] up
a few times there.
795
00:40:49,862 --> 00:40:51,379
And I just couldn't believe
she was sitting there
796
00:40:51,379 --> 00:40:55,068
and like had the audacity
to tell me about my man.
797
00:40:55,068 --> 00:40:58,068
- But you handled it better
than I would.
- Thanks.
798
00:40:58,068 --> 00:41:00,000
No, you handled it great,
in my opinion.
799
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,034
- I would have
popped off on him.
- Oh, I left.
800
00:41:02,034 --> 00:41:05,103
But, I mean, I do walk away
from situations
801
00:41:05,103 --> 00:41:07,344
when I feel like I am
gonna like snap.
802
00:41:07,344 --> 00:41:08,689
- Yeah, exactly.
- Yeah.
803
00:41:08,689 --> 00:41:10,241
I just hope you guys can,
you know,
804
00:41:10,241 --> 00:41:11,862
- work past this.
- Well, I hope he can
come in here
805
00:41:11,862 --> 00:41:14,344
and check on me,
because, right now,
806
00:41:14,344 --> 00:41:17,586
he's having a conversation
with the guys, it looks like.
807
00:41:17,586 --> 00:41:19,793
And I feel like the attention
808
00:41:19,793 --> 00:41:21,034
should be like over here.
809
00:41:21,034 --> 00:41:23,068
Okay, well,
I'll see you guys out there.
810
00:41:23,068 --> 00:41:24,724
- Okay. Yeah.
- Thank you.
811
00:41:26,482 --> 00:41:27,827
Hey, sharper.
812
00:41:28,482 --> 00:41:30,793
Are you gonna handle this?
813
00:41:30,793 --> 00:41:32,413
- Yeah.
- Or like...
814
00:41:33,103 --> 00:41:34,137
I won't to tell you
what to do.
815
00:41:34,137 --> 00:41:35,586
You know.
816
00:41:35,586 --> 00:41:36,965
I would recommend.
817
00:41:43,965 --> 00:41:46,310
Why did it take you
so long to come up here?
818
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,689
What?
819
00:41:49,689 --> 00:41:51,551
But why did you
have to finish that
820
00:41:51,551 --> 00:41:53,000
before coming after me?
821
00:41:53,896 --> 00:41:55,724
Why was that
conversation more--
822
00:41:56,586 --> 00:41:58,586
I left the stage.
Why didn't you?
823
00:42:04,379 --> 00:42:07,172
Lily, on a scale of
one to ten,
824
00:42:07,172 --> 00:42:10,931
how would you rate your
relationship with Josh today?
825
00:42:15,379 --> 00:42:17,379
I hate to say, it sounds
delusional at this point.
826
00:42:17,379 --> 00:42:18,551
Seeing your
guys' relationship,
827
00:42:18,551 --> 00:42:20,517
if there's any love,
it's one-sided.
828
00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:35,482
I left the stage.
Why didn't you?
829
00:42:54,275 --> 00:42:56,517
That sucks you
didn't come after me, babe.
830
00:43:00,137 --> 00:43:02,137
That is not your best.
831
00:43:02,137 --> 00:43:03,448
I know you
can do better than that.
832
00:43:03,448 --> 00:43:05,103
That's not your best.
833
00:43:09,896 --> 00:43:12,482
The only person you should be
concerned with making happy
834
00:43:12,482 --> 00:43:13,965
is the person that's
in your life.
835
00:43:13,965 --> 00:43:15,413
Is that woman in your life?
836
00:43:17,379 --> 00:43:18,965
Is that other woman
in your life?
837
00:43:18,965 --> 00:43:21,103
Then why do you care about
making her happy?
838
00:43:21,103 --> 00:43:23,448
Your past has come up
to haunt us
839
00:43:23,448 --> 00:43:26,103
nonstop
since we've been together.
840
00:43:26,103 --> 00:43:28,068
And I'm tired of it.
It's not normal.
841
00:43:32,103 --> 00:43:34,310
Don't call me a bitch
when I'm upset.
842
00:43:38,965 --> 00:43:41,000
If you yell at me right now...
843
00:44:04,137 --> 00:44:06,793
I don't want to keep living
moments like this
844
00:44:06,793 --> 00:44:08,103
over and over.
845
00:44:09,344 --> 00:44:11,689
It's creating small fractures
in our relationship
846
00:44:11,689 --> 00:44:14,172
that's going to end up
in a big break.
847
00:44:14,172 --> 00:44:17,206
I promise you. I just know
how things like this go.
848
00:44:19,862 --> 00:44:21,724
Nobody's winning
in this situation.
849
00:44:22,275 --> 00:44:23,517
Nobody's winning.
850
00:44:27,068 --> 00:44:28,793
If you're gonna look at
yourself as a prize,
851
00:44:28,793 --> 00:44:30,896
then you need to act like one.
852
00:44:31,793 --> 00:44:34,034
Sarper will give her that look
and she'll forgive him.
853
00:44:34,034 --> 00:44:36,137
- She'll melt. She'll melt.
Yeah, she will.
- It'll all be fine.
854
00:44:36,137 --> 00:44:37,241
She is gonna melt.
855
00:44:37,241 --> 00:44:39,586
I like the new Sarper, though.
856
00:44:39,586 --> 00:44:41,758
Honestly,
Sarper's a lot different than
I thought he was gonna be.
857
00:44:41,758 --> 00:44:43,551
- So different.
- A lot different.
858
00:44:44,793 --> 00:44:46,551
Yeah. He's changing his ways
for her,
859
00:44:46,551 --> 00:44:47,965
and that takes a lot.
860
00:44:47,965 --> 00:44:49,896
Even Shekinah surprised me
because she seems like
a submissive
861
00:44:49,896 --> 00:44:51,241
that's just going to
go along with everything.
862
00:44:51,241 --> 00:44:52,793
But she's actually
got a [bleep] backbone,
863
00:44:52,793 --> 00:44:54,275
and she puts him in his place.
864
00:44:55,896 --> 00:44:57,172
Let's go.
865
00:45:06,137 --> 00:45:08,275
Stop saying things like that.
866
00:45:22,793 --> 00:45:24,827
You're
so annoying sometimes.
867
00:45:25,586 --> 00:45:27,379
I see him trying.
868
00:45:27,379 --> 00:45:30,241
But he needs to show to me
in these 90 days
869
00:45:30,241 --> 00:45:33,482
that he can be
the man that I need him to be.
870
00:45:33,482 --> 00:45:34,793
And if he can't catch on,
871
00:45:34,793 --> 00:45:36,827
then we can't
walk down the aisle.
872
00:45:40,586 --> 00:45:42,000
Clearly, he loves her.
873
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,000
- Hi, Lily.
- Hello.
874
00:45:52,241 --> 00:45:54,448
Well, Shekinah has
rejoined us.
875
00:45:54,448 --> 00:45:55,448
How are you doing?
876
00:45:55,448 --> 00:45:56,482
I'm fine.
877
00:45:56,482 --> 00:45:57,758
Okay.
878
00:45:57,758 --> 00:46:00,137
Shekinah and Sarper,
we'll get back to you later.
879
00:46:00,137 --> 00:46:02,655
But, right now,
we're going to move on.
880
00:46:02,655 --> 00:46:06,379
Let's turn our attention to
Josh and Lily.
881
00:46:06,379 --> 00:46:08,379
Josh and Lily,
are you ready to get into it?
882
00:46:08,379 --> 00:46:09,689
Yes.
883
00:46:09,689 --> 00:46:12,344
- Yes, I'm ready.
- Okay, great.
884
00:46:12,344 --> 00:46:13,448
When we last saw you,
885
00:46:13,448 --> 00:46:16,758
the two of you were
enjoying your wedding day
886
00:46:16,758 --> 00:46:18,551
and looking forward
to the future.
887
00:46:18,551 --> 00:46:21,034
Josh, how would you say
things are
888
00:46:21,034 --> 00:46:23,896
on a scale
of one to ten today
889
00:46:23,896 --> 00:46:25,000
with your relationship?
890
00:46:28,482 --> 00:46:30,758
I would definitely say a six.
891
00:46:30,758 --> 00:46:32,482
A six.
892
00:46:32,482 --> 00:46:34,793
Because we still have
our issues,
893
00:46:34,793 --> 00:46:38,827
but we're slowly improving
the way we communicate
with each other.
894
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,310
Lily, how would you rate your
relationship with Josh today?
895
00:46:49,137 --> 00:46:50,241
Did she say three?
896
00:46:50,551 --> 00:46:51,793
Hoo!
897
00:46:52,172 --> 00:46:53,172
That's not good, Josh.
898
00:46:53,172 --> 00:46:54,586
Pretty low number.
899
00:46:54,586 --> 00:46:55,689
So low.
900
00:47:28,172 --> 00:47:31,586
So I know that, you know,
901
00:47:31,586 --> 00:47:33,482
she's not 100% happy,
902
00:47:33,482 --> 00:47:34,896
and that does bother me.
903
00:47:35,379 --> 00:47:36,724
You know, she's my wife.
904
00:47:37,482 --> 00:47:39,310
So it's hard.
905
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,137
Lily,
how does it make you feel
906
00:47:43,137 --> 00:47:45,310
to see Josh so emotional?
907
00:47:59,586 --> 00:48:01,551
I think in Lily's mind,
those are crocodile tears.
908
00:48:01,551 --> 00:48:04,724
Like, your tears don't even
put a dent in her emotions.
909
00:48:05,655 --> 00:48:07,137
Here's what I'm wondering.
910
00:48:07,137 --> 00:48:11,034
What is it that
you two are holding on to?
911
00:48:11,034 --> 00:48:15,310
Why is this a relationship
that you want to be in?
912
00:48:18,689 --> 00:48:21,586
Well, we've definitely had
our ups and downs,
913
00:48:21,586 --> 00:48:25,793
and I do believe that we are
in love with each other.
914
00:48:25,793 --> 00:48:30,068
It's just we haven't
expressed it properly.
915
00:48:30,068 --> 00:48:32,068
I hate to say, it sounds
delusional at this point.
916
00:48:32,068 --> 00:48:33,758
Seeing your
guys' relationship,
917
00:48:33,758 --> 00:48:35,482
there's not--
If there's any love,
918
00:48:35,482 --> 00:48:37,655
- it's one-sided.
- Fully.
919
00:48:37,655 --> 00:48:38,586
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
920
00:48:38,586 --> 00:48:40,413
One-sided? On whose side?
921
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,068
He may be in love with her,
or the idea of her.
922
00:48:45,068 --> 00:48:48,000
You don't think that Lily
is in love with Josh?
923
00:48:48,655 --> 00:48:50,551
Currently in love with him
right now?
924
00:48:50,551 --> 00:48:52,103
No. You don't--
925
00:48:52,103 --> 00:48:54,482
You don't say you believe
in your relationship on
a three out of ten.
926
00:48:54,482 --> 00:48:58,068
If you love someone, that's
not where it's gonna be.
927
00:48:58,068 --> 00:48:59,689
You wouldn't say it
in the way she said it.
928
00:48:59,689 --> 00:49:01,862
- That hurt.
- But she's still there.
929
00:49:01,862 --> 00:49:04,000
She's sticking it out
because she loves him.
930
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,034
I think.
931
00:49:05,034 --> 00:49:06,862
Otherwise,
if you're at a three,
932
00:49:06,862 --> 00:49:09,000
you're going to bail
unless you have love.
933
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,379
What's that old saying?
- It sounds like there's
934
00:49:10,379 --> 00:49:12,482
- two feet out the door.
- "The heart
needs more time to accept
935
00:49:12,482 --> 00:49:13,862
what the mind already knows."
936
00:49:13,862 --> 00:49:15,241
- Like, they're just--
- Yeah.
937
00:49:15,241 --> 00:49:16,862
They're clinging on for--
938
00:49:16,862 --> 00:49:20,931
Who thinks Lily is genuinely
in love with Josh.
939
00:49:22,241 --> 00:49:24,172
Whoa. I have no hands up here.
940
00:49:24,172 --> 00:49:25,689
I think she loves him.
941
00:49:25,689 --> 00:49:26,862
- She was.
- I think she was.
942
00:49:26,862 --> 00:49:29,137
- She loved him.
- At one point
in the beginning.
943
00:49:30,758 --> 00:49:33,586
There's part of me that,
you know, feels the same way.
944
00:49:35,758 --> 00:49:37,000
This is so damaging.
945
00:49:50,655 --> 00:49:51,655
Yeah.
946
00:49:55,862 --> 00:49:57,448
I hate to say it,
but I agree with him.
947
00:49:57,448 --> 00:49:59,000
And she said-- she said--
- Yeah, I mean...
948
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,448
- I wanna re--
- ...she lost--
949
00:50:00,448 --> 00:50:01,655
- I think Lily does love you.
- Physical intimacy
is very important.
950
00:50:01,655 --> 00:50:02,689
I think Lily does love you.
951
00:50:02,689 --> 00:50:04,379
I think
you've hurt her so much
952
00:50:04,379 --> 00:50:06,172
and she's
been rejected so much
953
00:50:06,172 --> 00:50:08,103
that she doesn't feel
wanted by you anymore.
954
00:50:08,103 --> 00:50:09,689
She said
she lost her confidence...
955
00:50:09,689 --> 00:50:11,379
- Yeah, which is a big deal.
- ...and I think that maybe
956
00:50:11,379 --> 00:50:14,379
because there's,
you know, no intimacy,
957
00:50:14,379 --> 00:50:17,172
that can make a woman
feel like not desired
958
00:50:17,172 --> 00:50:19,379
- and like
she's not enough or--
- Like, not feeling enough.
959
00:50:19,379 --> 00:50:21,793
- I mean, as a man, if your
woman doesn't touch you...
- So damaging.
960
00:50:21,793 --> 00:50:22,931
...how would you feel?
961
00:50:22,931 --> 00:50:24,241
- Is your spouse a partner?
- And that's part of it.
962
00:50:24,241 --> 00:50:25,896
You know, it...
963
00:50:25,896 --> 00:50:29,068
It's also going
the opposite way, you know.
964
00:50:29,068 --> 00:50:31,758
- So I-- you know--
- You can't share the blame
on everything.
965
00:50:31,758 --> 00:50:33,379
- You have
to take responsibility.
- I agree 100%.
966
00:50:33,379 --> 00:50:36,206
But you're the man.
You have to come towards
the woman.
967
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,172
I like that.
968
00:50:55,793 --> 00:50:57,344
Josh, how long has it been
969
00:50:57,344 --> 00:51:00,172
since you and your wife
have been intimate?
970
00:51:01,689 --> 00:51:04,137
It's been a long time.
I don't honestly remember.
971
00:51:04,137 --> 00:51:05,206
Was it that bad?
972
00:51:05,206 --> 00:51:08,000
How long? Like, three,
four, five, six months?
973
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:08,931
Probably four.
974
00:51:08,931 --> 00:51:10,275
Are you not sexually
attracted to her?
975
00:51:10,275 --> 00:51:11,551
Because Lily's hot as hell.
976
00:51:11,551 --> 00:51:13,482
No, I think she's very
beautiful, inside and out.
977
00:51:13,482 --> 00:51:15,137
- And I am--
- Who's rejecting who?
978
00:51:15,586 --> 00:51:17,482
It's...
979
00:51:17,482 --> 00:51:21,103
When I'm being put down
every day and belittled,
980
00:51:21,103 --> 00:51:24,137
I just don't have
that desire to...
981
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,482
you know, make love.
982
00:51:27,689 --> 00:51:29,275
Sometimes you just
got to hate [bleep] it out.
983
00:51:29,275 --> 00:51:31,793
Just get one in, and then
you can just, you know,
984
00:51:31,793 --> 00:51:33,655
get going from there.
985
00:51:33,655 --> 00:51:35,482
All right,
well, let's ask Lily.
986
00:51:35,482 --> 00:51:38,379
Lily, how long has it been
987
00:51:38,379 --> 00:51:41,172
since you and your husband
have been intimate?
988
00:51:50,655 --> 00:51:53,034
You know, I tried
every opportunity I could,
989
00:51:53,034 --> 00:51:54,172
- but--
- No.
990
00:52:10,137 --> 00:52:13,172
In total,
you guys have
slept together five times?
991
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,000
That hurts my soul
to hear that.
992
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,034
If I wasn't having sex,
I'd rate that relationship
less than a three,
993
00:52:21,034 --> 00:52:22,206
honestly.
994
00:52:24,586 --> 00:52:27,482
Why are you fighting
for this [bleep] relationship?
995
00:52:28,241 --> 00:52:29,517
Why?
996
00:52:47,379 --> 00:52:50,482
Now, Ingi, you got some heat
right off the bat
997
00:52:50,482 --> 00:52:52,241
over your breakup with Corona.
998
00:52:52,241 --> 00:52:55,896
How did we get to this point?
999
00:52:55,896 --> 00:52:58,241
When I went to the States
to visit her,
1000
00:52:59,551 --> 00:53:02,241
I arriving at the airport,
like this...
1001
00:53:02,241 --> 00:53:04,586
completely other person
just greeted me.
1002
00:53:04,586 --> 00:53:08,172
Like, I did not see the--
the loving, fun,
1003
00:53:08,172 --> 00:53:12,103
caring, uh, person
that I fell in love with.
1004
00:53:13,275 --> 00:53:14,689
What a weak bitch.
1005
00:53:14,689 --> 00:53:16,517
That's some weak [bleep].
1006
00:53:24,206 --> 00:53:26,931
Why are you fighting
for this [bleep] relationship?
1007
00:53:27,793 --> 00:53:28,896
Why?
1008
00:53:37,344 --> 00:53:40,344
Are you willing
to stay in this marriage
1009
00:53:40,344 --> 00:53:42,896
with your sex life
the way it is now,
1010
00:53:42,896 --> 00:53:45,068
which is basically
nonexistent?
1011
00:54:09,137 --> 00:54:11,241
That's what I'm talkin' about,
Sean.
1012
00:54:16,034 --> 00:54:17,103
Correct.
1013
00:54:26,655 --> 00:54:29,206
Yeah, the power dynamic
is so bad for you guys
1014
00:54:29,206 --> 00:54:30,551
because she's the breadwinner.
1015
00:54:30,551 --> 00:54:32,896
Yeah. So, that's so bad.
1016
00:54:32,896 --> 00:54:35,379
And why is that
necessarily a bad thing
1017
00:54:35,379 --> 00:54:38,413
that Lily is the provider?
1018
00:54:38,413 --> 00:54:40,103
I think it's because Josh
doesn't want Lily
1019
00:54:40,103 --> 00:54:42,275
to be the provider,
but that's just how it is.
1020
00:54:42,275 --> 00:54:43,827
He grew up traditional.
1021
00:54:47,655 --> 00:54:50,827
And I know that affects, like,
the libido, too, because...
1022
00:54:53,689 --> 00:54:55,896
Right off the bat, like,
I think it was like...
1023
00:54:55,896 --> 00:54:57,586
three or four times
the whole time
1024
00:54:58,034 --> 00:54:59,620
we were in Indonesia.
1025
00:55:01,482 --> 00:55:04,137
you and Tata
stopped having sex
1026
00:55:04,137 --> 00:55:05,965
because of
the financial issues?
1027
00:55:05,965 --> 00:55:08,103
Big time.
That and the constant fights
1028
00:55:08,103 --> 00:55:11,482
- of dealing with everything.
- What was it about
the financial issues
1029
00:55:11,482 --> 00:55:13,965
that made you not want to be
intimate with your wife?
1030
00:55:13,965 --> 00:55:15,793
Um, raised traditionally.
1031
00:55:15,793 --> 00:55:17,586
You know, it's beat
into your head a million times
1032
00:55:17,586 --> 00:55:20,655
that if you can't provide
for your wife or your spouse,
1033
00:55:20,655 --> 00:55:23,172
then you don't deserve
to have them.
1034
00:55:24,965 --> 00:55:26,689
Sarper,
you're shaking your head.
1035
00:55:26,689 --> 00:55:29,379
It's just a biological thing, hormones.
1036
00:55:29,379 --> 00:55:31,103
So you agree with James?
1037
00:55:37,586 --> 00:55:39,000
Yes.
1038
00:55:39,310 --> 00:55:41,275
Things need to change.
1039
00:55:41,275 --> 00:55:43,000
You know,
I'm putting all my faith,
1040
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,586
you know, trust and hope
this time around.
1041
00:55:45,586 --> 00:55:48,413
And if we truly do
give 100%,
1042
00:55:48,413 --> 00:55:51,275
then the sex will improve.
1043
00:55:51,275 --> 00:55:53,620
Obviously, this is
something you can't work on
1044
00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:55,655
until you get back to China.
1045
00:55:58,586 --> 00:56:00,206
Back to phone sex.
1046
00:56:07,034 --> 00:56:09,448
You say it, but you're right.
1047
00:56:13,896 --> 00:56:14,758
It takes practice, though.
1048
00:56:14,758 --> 00:56:17,000
You gotta learn
how to do it first.
1049
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,586
James,
how do you do it?
1050
00:56:22,551 --> 00:56:24,103
Well, you don't start off with
"What are you wearing?"
1051
00:56:24,103 --> 00:56:26,172
You start off with "What
can you take off right now?"
1052
00:56:26,172 --> 00:56:28,310
And then
it just escalates from there.
1053
00:56:28,310 --> 00:56:30,172
And then you just gotta make
sure you're talking correct
1054
00:56:30,172 --> 00:56:32,172
because you say one
wrong thing in phone sex,
1055
00:56:32,172 --> 00:56:33,241
nah, it's over.
1056
00:56:33,241 --> 00:56:35,034
Mood's killed.
Like, now you've butchered it.
1057
00:56:35,034 --> 00:56:36,482
Not interested anymore.
1058
00:56:36,482 --> 00:56:37,689
As you did, Sarper?
1059
00:56:37,689 --> 00:56:39,586
- I asked her--
- He always ruins it
with something.
1060
00:56:49,586 --> 00:56:51,344
That's the same thing
that would get me in trouble.
1061
00:56:51,344 --> 00:56:53,000
If I said
the same thing to her.
1062
00:56:54,206 --> 00:56:55,241
And then I was over it.
1063
00:56:55,241 --> 00:56:56,758
I was like,
"This is ending here."
1064
00:56:56,758 --> 00:56:58,413
"Why do you want it
to be somebody different?"
1065
00:57:04,620 --> 00:57:06,448
What's your new name?
1066
00:57:10,103 --> 00:57:11,482
You don't care?
1067
00:57:35,206 --> 00:57:37,068
We are going to pause
here for a little bit,
1068
00:57:37,068 --> 00:57:40,241
and we're going to hear
more from Josh and Lily
a little later.
1069
00:57:40,241 --> 00:57:42,172
Before we move on
to James and Tata,
1070
00:57:42,172 --> 00:57:44,793
I have a fun question
for you all.
1071
00:57:44,793 --> 00:57:46,448
Have you told
your current partners
1072
00:57:46,448 --> 00:57:49,689
how many people
you've slept with in the past?
1073
00:57:49,689 --> 00:57:52,517
James, does Tata
know your number?
1074
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,620
Yes, I think-- Yeah, she does.
1075
00:57:54,620 --> 00:57:57,068
- She wasn't too happy
about it, so.
- Okay.
1076
00:57:57,068 --> 00:57:58,758
Did she ask you what it was?
1077
00:57:58,758 --> 00:57:59,793
- Or you just told her?
- Um...
1078
00:57:59,793 --> 00:58:00,724
Yeah, she asked me.
1079
00:58:00,724 --> 00:58:02,758
Okay, see? That--
if somebody asks,
1080
00:58:02,758 --> 00:58:05,034
- that's one thing.
- She wanted to know. Yeah.
1081
00:58:05,034 --> 00:58:08,103
Tata, does James
know your number?
1082
00:58:08,448 --> 00:58:09,448
He does.
1083
00:58:09,448 --> 00:58:11,793
We are pretty open
in the very beginning.
1084
00:58:11,793 --> 00:58:13,206
- So...
- Okay.
1085
00:58:13,206 --> 00:58:16,172
Josh, does Lily
know your number?
1086
00:58:16,172 --> 00:58:18,896
I want to say we discussed it
when we first met.
1087
00:58:21,862 --> 00:58:24,551
- Yes.
- That does
not sound believable.
1088
00:58:24,551 --> 00:58:26,793
You're just as innocent
as you look.
1089
00:58:26,793 --> 00:58:29,793
I believe it, though.
He's obviously
not a sexual person.
1090
00:58:31,034 --> 00:58:33,310
Her, I mean,
I know she told me,
1091
00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:35,620
but, to me,
it was never an issue.
1092
00:58:35,620 --> 00:58:37,793
And I just don't want
to think about it.
1093
00:58:38,551 --> 00:58:40,379
Joanne, does Sean
know your number?
1094
00:58:41,586 --> 00:58:43,000
No.
1095
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,517
Sean, does Joanne
know your number?
1096
00:58:44,517 --> 00:58:45,689
No.
1097
00:58:46,551 --> 00:58:47,655
Don't care?
1098
00:58:48,103 --> 00:58:50,241
- Don't care.
- Don't care.
1099
00:58:50,241 --> 00:58:52,103
- The past is the past.
- It could be 500.
1100
00:58:52,103 --> 00:58:53,793
- I don't care.
- So if you knew it,
1101
00:58:53,793 --> 00:58:55,068
it would not bother you.
1102
00:58:55,655 --> 00:58:56,793
- No.
- No.
1103
00:58:57,344 --> 00:58:58,758
Okay, so let's do it.
1104
00:59:00,068 --> 00:59:02,172
Two thousand six hundred--
No. I mean...
1105
00:59:05,344 --> 00:59:06,551
I honestly, like,
1106
00:59:06,551 --> 00:59:07,551
I don't know
what the number is
1107
00:59:07,551 --> 00:59:09,586
because I don't
keep score of, you know--
1108
00:59:09,586 --> 00:59:10,586
You don't have a book?
1109
00:59:10,586 --> 00:59:12,068
- With tallies?
- No, I don't have a book.
1110
00:59:12,068 --> 00:59:14,344
As do I. I'll be honest.
Like, neither do--
1111
00:59:14,344 --> 00:59:17,241
It's not...
No offense, it's not that...
1112
00:59:17,241 --> 00:59:18,620
That's super human level, okay?
1113
00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:21,068
No one's touching that.
1114
00:59:21,068 --> 00:59:24,965
Shekinah, I know
this has been a touchy subject
for you too in the past,
1115
00:59:24,965 --> 00:59:27,586
with Sarper not wanting
to know your number.
1116
00:59:27,586 --> 00:59:30,241
Since the last Tell All,
have you told him?
1117
00:59:31,379 --> 00:59:34,413
No, I mean,
he tells it over and over
1118
00:59:34,413 --> 00:59:36,689
that he's slept
with 2500 women.
1119
00:59:36,689 --> 00:59:38,172
- But if he even knows...
- But he doesn't want to know--
Yeah.
1120
00:59:38,172 --> 00:59:40,655
...I've slept with one other
person besides him,
1121
00:59:40,655 --> 00:59:42,241
- he can't handle the thought.
- Shh.
1122
00:59:44,448 --> 00:59:46,413
Yeah.
1123
00:59:46,413 --> 00:59:49,413
I can see his eyes go crazy
the second you even mention
a body count.
1124
00:59:49,413 --> 00:59:52,379
I literally would love
to just tell him.
1125
00:59:52,379 --> 00:59:53,517
Tell him.
1126
00:59:53,517 --> 00:59:55,862
I feel like he would leave me.
1127
00:59:55,862 --> 00:59:58,689
So, what is your number,
Shekinah?
1128
01:00:05,482 --> 01:00:06,758
What?
1129
01:00:14,275 --> 01:00:16,896
Tatha, do you plan
to bring your sister
1130
01:00:16,896 --> 01:00:18,620
to live with you here
in the States?
1131
01:00:19,689 --> 01:00:22,896
In your house?
With you and James?
1132
01:00:23,448 --> 01:00:25,448
How is that gonna work?
1133
01:00:38,172 --> 01:00:40,896
I literally would love
to just tell him.
1134
01:00:40,896 --> 01:00:44,000
Just, like, how many people
I've slept with.
1135
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,241
Tell him.
1136
01:00:46,655 --> 01:00:48,310
I feel like it would change
the way he sees me
1137
01:00:48,310 --> 01:00:51,000
and, like, our relationship
might never be the same.
1138
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,620
Sarper, how--
1139
01:00:53,862 --> 01:00:55,551
Well, I mean,
'cause you told me...
1140
01:00:55,551 --> 01:00:58,931
...if you even tell me
it's one more then,
1141
01:00:58,931 --> 01:01:00,206
I mean...
1142
01:01:02,448 --> 01:01:06,931
He doesn't wanna know
anything about my past.
1143
01:01:06,931 --> 01:01:09,310
Well, if there's a future
for the relationship,
1144
01:01:09,310 --> 01:01:12,862
it certainly should be
based on honesty
and complete honesty.
1145
01:01:12,862 --> 01:01:14,655
Yeah, but I also
believe that, like,
1146
01:01:14,655 --> 01:01:16,172
if someone doesn't wanna
know something,
1147
01:01:16,172 --> 01:01:17,862
you have to respect that.
1148
01:01:17,862 --> 01:01:20,793
I mean, honestly,
I would have preferred
to not know his number,
1149
01:01:20,793 --> 01:01:22,620
but I wasn't given
that option.
1150
01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:24,862
So, I would like to at least
give him the courtesy.
1151
01:01:24,862 --> 01:01:27,000
But it's a double standard,
at the same time.
1152
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,344
Absolutely.
1153
01:01:28,344 --> 01:01:29,896
I just would like for him
to acknowledge the fact
1154
01:01:29,896 --> 01:01:32,620
that there's
a double standard there.
1155
01:01:32,620 --> 01:01:34,379
Can you do that
or you can't?
1156
01:01:36,310 --> 01:01:38,241
- But you know
you're not though, right?
- You're missing the point.
1157
01:01:40,448 --> 01:01:41,931
But you know you're not.
1158
01:01:43,413 --> 01:01:44,482
She, she has a daughter.
1159
01:01:44,482 --> 01:01:46,275
- So, you know that she--
You're not.
- Yeah.
1160
01:01:50,172 --> 01:01:54,448
Okay,
let's turn our attention now
to James and Meitalia.
1161
01:01:54,448 --> 01:01:57,827
After spending
more than three years
in Maine,
1162
01:01:57,827 --> 01:02:01,931
James and Meitalia
returned to her home
in Indonesia to settle down.
1163
01:02:01,931 --> 01:02:04,206
But just after
a few short months
1164
01:02:04,206 --> 01:02:06,034
and a lot of obstacles,
1165
01:02:06,034 --> 01:02:08,517
they are back
in the United States.
1166
01:02:08,517 --> 01:02:12,344
James and Tatha,
shall we get into it?
1167
01:02:12,344 --> 01:02:13,793
We might as well.
1168
01:02:13,793 --> 01:02:16,448
Okay, well,
first of all, Tatha,
1169
01:02:16,448 --> 01:02:18,896
uh, how long have you been
here in the States?
1170
01:02:20,241 --> 01:02:22,275
Uh, I think four months.
1171
01:02:22,275 --> 01:02:23,344
- Yep. Yep.
- About four months?
1172
01:02:24,310 --> 01:02:27,275
So, when we left you
this season,
1173
01:02:27,275 --> 01:02:31,000
there was no consensus
on where to live.
1174
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,448
Uh, Tatha, what ultimately
made you decide
1175
01:02:34,448 --> 01:02:37,275
to come back
to the United States
and be with James?
1176
01:02:48,275 --> 01:02:49,310
Was she gonna live
with you guys,
1177
01:02:49,310 --> 01:02:51,000
or just--
you wanted her to visit?
1178
01:02:51,655 --> 01:02:52,862
Just to visit, okay.
1179
01:02:52,862 --> 01:02:53,827
Oh.
1180
01:02:57,827 --> 01:03:00,103
- Yeah. That makes sense.
- Yeah.
1181
01:03:00,103 --> 01:03:02,862
But if you guys know
the history there,
1182
01:03:02,862 --> 01:03:04,827
like, it's, it's a lot more
than just that.
1183
01:03:04,827 --> 01:03:06,517
- Yeah.
- Any time she's around...
1184
01:03:06,517 --> 01:03:09,482
- There's drama? Yeah.
- ...it, it stirs up
so many things between us.
1185
01:03:09,482 --> 01:03:11,379
Because she's always got
something to say about me.
1186
01:03:11,379 --> 01:03:13,034
Always, always, always.
1187
01:03:14,034 --> 01:03:17,000
Yeah,
she's always trying to, like,
cause issues between us.
1188
01:03:31,724 --> 01:03:32,758
I mean...
1189
01:03:53,862 --> 01:03:56,172
She cries like this
in real life every day.
1190
01:03:56,172 --> 01:03:57,862
The simplest little thing.
1191
01:03:57,862 --> 01:03:59,862
I can say the wrong thing
and instantly,
1192
01:03:59,862 --> 01:04:01,310
apparently it was something
that, like,
1193
01:04:01,310 --> 01:04:03,206
hurt her deep
and she'll just start crying.
1194
01:04:07,655 --> 01:04:08,862
If, like...
1195
01:04:12,862 --> 01:04:15,241
I used to be that way,
Tatha, I used to...
1196
01:04:15,241 --> 01:04:17,896
- I couldn't even make
eye contact with someone.
- You?
1197
01:04:17,896 --> 01:04:19,448
- Yeah, once I got--
- Sarper!
1198
01:04:20,103 --> 01:04:21,482
- What?
- Heartless.
1199
01:04:21,482 --> 01:04:23,689
Because you don't
like emotion.
1200
01:04:23,689 --> 01:04:25,413
- He gets mad
if I'm not emotional...
- Heartless.
1201
01:04:25,413 --> 01:04:26,655
...and mad if I am.
1202
01:04:26,655 --> 01:04:28,758
- Oh, my goodness.
- So, I can't win.
1203
01:04:28,758 --> 01:04:31,000
With you, like,
I feel like some
of the situations,
1204
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,379
you're not crying
because of what's happening
right then,
1205
01:04:33,379 --> 01:04:35,103
but what's happening then
is triggering something
1206
01:04:35,103 --> 01:04:37,172
- that's happened
to you before.
- Yes. Yes, exactly.
1207
01:04:37,172 --> 01:04:38,586
- That's what I feel.
- Mmm-hmm.
Yeah.
1208
01:04:38,586 --> 01:04:40,724
- And I know I,
I still need to work on it.
- Yeah.
1209
01:04:40,724 --> 01:04:43,655
- And I'm trying my best.
- You will.
Yeah, you will.
1210
01:04:44,068 --> 01:04:44,896
All right.
1211
01:04:44,896 --> 01:04:46,862
Well, Tatha has shed
many tears
1212
01:04:46,862 --> 01:04:48,724
over the animosity
between James
1213
01:04:48,724 --> 01:04:50,551
and her older sister, Angel.
1214
01:04:50,862 --> 01:04:52,310
She is here
1215
01:04:52,310 --> 01:04:55,551
to fill us in
on where things stand now.
1216
01:04:55,551 --> 01:04:58,827
Please welcome
Meitalia's sister, Angel.
1217
01:04:59,965 --> 01:05:01,344
Hi, Angel.
1218
01:05:03,620 --> 01:05:05,310
And James
is right next to her.
1219
01:05:08,379 --> 01:05:09,275
Hi.
1220
01:05:13,931 --> 01:05:14,793
All right.
1221
01:05:15,103 --> 01:05:16,241
Okay, Angel,
1222
01:05:16,241 --> 01:05:21,965
um, you said that
you did not trust James 100%.
1223
01:05:21,965 --> 01:05:24,103
Do you trust him fully now?
1224
01:05:27,827 --> 01:05:30,068
Why didn't you try
to get to know James?
1225
01:05:33,103 --> 01:05:35,068
Well,
this is your sister's husband.
1226
01:05:35,068 --> 01:05:38,000
What kinds of things
would you like to know
about him?
1227
01:05:41,241 --> 01:05:43,068
Nothing. She's not interested.
1228
01:05:44,655 --> 01:05:45,827
Unbelievable.
1229
01:05:45,827 --> 01:05:49,206
So, you just enjoy
not trusting him
and not, like...
1230
01:05:50,103 --> 01:05:52,103
Do you love your sister?
1231
01:05:52,103 --> 01:05:54,068
It doesn't seem like
she truly loves her sister.
1232
01:05:54,068 --> 01:05:56,482
Because if she did,
she would wanna get to know
1233
01:05:56,482 --> 01:05:59,000
the person
her sister's in love with
and married to.
1234
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,000
And who's protecting her
1235
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,344
- and, like,
with her every day.
- Yeah.
1236
01:06:08,689 --> 01:06:11,103
But then you should
show it more.
1237
01:06:15,551 --> 01:06:16,896
That's sad.
1238
01:06:16,896 --> 01:06:19,413
Don't you wanna know
what her life is like
and what it--
1239
01:06:19,413 --> 01:06:22,103
what our life
is like together?
1240
01:06:22,103 --> 01:06:23,689
What did I do?
1241
01:06:30,655 --> 01:06:33,655
So, Tatha, do you plan
to bring your sister
1242
01:06:33,655 --> 01:06:35,275
to live with you here
in the States?
1243
01:06:37,379 --> 01:06:41,758
In your house?
With you and James?
1244
01:06:41,758 --> 01:06:43,655
How is that gonna work?
1245
01:07:04,620 --> 01:07:06,517
And that makes
our relationship harder.
1246
01:07:06,517 --> 01:07:09,068
You can't have a relationship
with a menage a trois, no.
1247
01:07:09,068 --> 01:07:10,413
We just want the two of us.
1248
01:07:10,413 --> 01:07:13,068
And it's always bringing
this third person
1249
01:07:13,068 --> 01:07:14,344
and just keeps coming back
1250
01:07:14,344 --> 01:07:16,724
like that bad penny
you can't throw far enough
away.
1251
01:07:20,241 --> 01:07:21,413
Angel,
with Tatha being, like,
1252
01:07:21,413 --> 01:07:23,551
your best friend
and your best sister
or whatever,
1253
01:07:23,551 --> 01:07:24,827
does it not hurt you to see
1254
01:07:24,827 --> 01:07:26,413
- that you're causing
this turmoil?
- Yeah.
1255
01:07:26,413 --> 01:07:28,103
Like, if you just
got to know James,
1256
01:07:28,103 --> 01:07:29,551
y'all wouldn't be
in this situation.
1257
01:07:29,551 --> 01:07:32,758
And he'd probably gladly
pay for your visa
and you can come visit.
1258
01:07:32,758 --> 01:07:34,896
Like, you don't have to be
as difficult as you're being.
1259
01:07:38,344 --> 01:07:40,586
Change your entire
personality.
1260
01:07:42,413 --> 01:07:44,724
So, no. Cool.
Cool, cool, cool.
1261
01:07:44,724 --> 01:07:45,965
Cool. Well, then...
1262
01:07:46,620 --> 01:07:48,482
I don't know what else to say.
1263
01:07:51,172 --> 01:07:52,655
You should be infuriated
1264
01:07:52,655 --> 01:07:55,482
by the way that your sister's
treated your husband.
1265
01:07:55,482 --> 01:07:59,137
She's wanting to come
into the relationship
and destroy it.
1266
01:07:59,896 --> 01:08:01,689
If you have a family member
like this
1267
01:08:01,689 --> 01:08:03,379
that's affecting
your relationship,
1268
01:08:03,379 --> 01:08:04,965
you have to cut them off.
1269
01:08:06,034 --> 01:08:08,206
- You think Tatha
should cut off Angel?
- Yeah.
1270
01:08:08,206 --> 01:08:09,827
- I agree with that.
- I do.
1271
01:08:09,827 --> 01:08:13,655
- Clearly, she doesn't give
a [bleep] about you or him.
- Yeah.
1272
01:08:13,655 --> 01:08:16,517
I did cut her off
for two years.
1273
01:08:16,517 --> 01:08:18,655
And now she's back
doing the same thing.
1274
01:08:22,206 --> 01:08:24,068
I don't even think
this would be an issue
right now,
1275
01:08:24,068 --> 01:08:25,827
if she was already married.
1276
01:08:26,413 --> 01:08:27,551
I don't think she would care.
1277
01:08:27,551 --> 01:08:28,862
Yeah, I think
there's a lot of jealousy
1278
01:08:28,862 --> 01:08:31,965
with the little sister
getting married first.
1279
01:08:56,137 --> 01:08:57,137
Wait, what?
1280
01:08:57,137 --> 01:08:59,068
Yeah,
it's because in my family,
1281
01:08:59,551 --> 01:09:00,862
because she's my older sister
1282
01:09:00,862 --> 01:09:02,517
and then
she's not married yet,
1283
01:09:02,517 --> 01:09:04,827
he need to ask her
to get permission.
1284
01:09:04,827 --> 01:09:08,103
"Can I marry
your younger sister?"
1285
01:09:08,103 --> 01:09:10,068
So, so, Tatha,
you never told James
1286
01:09:10,068 --> 01:09:12,137
that he was supposed to ask
your sister's permission?
1287
01:09:12,137 --> 01:09:14,034
I did. I did told him.
1288
01:09:17,482 --> 01:09:19,793
But he didn't. Mmm.
1289
01:09:22,551 --> 01:09:24,206
That's a big problem.
1290
01:09:27,655 --> 01:09:31,689
There is a lot
of broken promises
in your story.
1291
01:09:36,827 --> 01:09:37,724
Yes.
1292
01:09:59,310 --> 01:10:00,793
In my family,
1293
01:10:00,793 --> 01:10:03,068
he need to ask her
to get permission.
1294
01:10:03,068 --> 01:10:06,275
"Can I marry
your younger sister?"
1295
01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:07,586
Mmm.
1296
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,482
James did not do that.
1297
01:10:09,482 --> 01:10:12,241
- No.
- And so, that's part
of the animosity
1298
01:10:12,241 --> 01:10:13,965
between the two of them.
1299
01:10:13,965 --> 01:10:15,034
- Yes.
- But he didn't ask
1300
01:10:15,034 --> 01:10:16,413
because there was
already animosity.
1301
01:10:16,413 --> 01:10:19,517
Because she had already
spread the lies by that point, correct?
1302
01:10:19,517 --> 01:10:21,103
Exactly.
1303
01:10:21,103 --> 01:10:22,965
- She made up a lie
that he mistreats women badly.
- What the...
1304
01:10:22,965 --> 01:10:25,103
Has Angel ever
apologized for, like,
1305
01:10:25,103 --> 01:10:27,068
- the lies she's made up
about you?
- She did.
1306
01:10:27,068 --> 01:10:29,172
She did apologize to him
twice.
1307
01:10:29,172 --> 01:10:30,758
Like, her apology...
1308
01:10:30,758 --> 01:10:32,862
She did apologize
to me personally.
1309
01:10:32,862 --> 01:10:35,275
But then, like,
the next morning,
1310
01:10:35,275 --> 01:10:38,206
I already could feel, like,
she's already, like,
1311
01:10:38,206 --> 01:10:40,793
right back to the old ways
or, or whatnot.
1312
01:10:55,724 --> 01:10:56,931
If I had asked you,
1313
01:10:56,931 --> 01:10:58,413
you'd have just been like,
"No, go [bleep] yourself."
1314
01:10:58,413 --> 01:11:02,241
What would have been
my benefit in asking you?
1315
01:11:02,241 --> 01:11:03,724
You didn't try though.
1316
01:11:06,344 --> 01:11:11,551
Angel,
James made certain promises
to your family
1317
01:11:11,551 --> 01:11:14,379
in terms of how
he would care for Tatha.
1318
01:11:14,379 --> 01:11:16,517
One was
the financial stability,
1319
01:11:16,517 --> 01:11:20,103
and also one was
learning the language.
1320
01:11:20,103 --> 01:11:26,275
How do you feel
he actually came true
on those promises?
1321
01:11:30,413 --> 01:11:31,344
She admits it.
1322
01:11:39,137 --> 01:11:40,379
James, I love you, buddy,
1323
01:11:40,379 --> 01:11:44,068
but there is a lot
of broken promises
in your story.
1324
01:11:44,068 --> 01:11:45,206
So, I mean...
1325
01:11:45,206 --> 01:11:47,206
And I agree with this.
That's a fault of my own.
1326
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,551
Well, another
very important promise
1327
01:11:51,551 --> 01:11:52,862
that James had made to Tatha
1328
01:11:52,862 --> 01:11:55,655
was the promise
to have children.
1329
01:11:55,655 --> 01:11:57,551
James, at first,
said he wanted children,
1330
01:11:57,551 --> 01:11:58,931
but now says he doesn't.
1331
01:11:58,931 --> 01:12:00,206
Let me go to Angel first.
1332
01:12:00,206 --> 01:12:02,551
Angel, what was it like
for you to find out
1333
01:12:02,551 --> 01:12:05,448
James had changed his mind
about that?
1334
01:12:05,448 --> 01:12:06,482
Oh.
1335
01:12:08,172 --> 01:12:10,000
That's a really big question
for James.
1336
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,724
Do you really love my sister?
1337
01:12:13,724 --> 01:12:16,448
Yes, I love Tatha
with all my heart.
1338
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,448
In the beginning, I did.
The world's changed, not me.
1339
01:12:27,827 --> 01:12:30,896
After COVID,
people just forgot
how to interact,
1340
01:12:30,896 --> 01:12:34,206
forgot how to be kind
or genuine to people.
1341
01:12:34,206 --> 01:12:36,689
It seemed like
people were just so used
to living on the Internet,
1342
01:12:36,689 --> 01:12:37,620
that there's a lot
of people out there
1343
01:12:37,620 --> 01:12:39,758
that are just so cold
to everybody.
1344
01:12:39,758 --> 01:12:42,206
- That's always
been the case though.
- This is America, man.
1345
01:12:42,206 --> 01:12:44,310
- I feel like you may
be using that as an excuse.
- It changed, it changed
1346
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:46,206
the whole dynamic
of everybody.
1347
01:12:46,206 --> 01:12:48,965
- It really didn't though.
- Like, I saw people
change completely.
1348
01:12:54,862 --> 01:12:56,379
And they're failing
at the answer.
1349
01:12:56,379 --> 01:12:57,275
Yeah.
1350
01:13:03,310 --> 01:13:06,275
But James's reasons
are valid also,
1351
01:13:06,275 --> 01:13:07,172
and if he doesn't want that,
1352
01:13:07,172 --> 01:13:09,000
he shouldn't be forced
to do that.
1353
01:13:10,724 --> 01:13:12,379
To bring children
into a relationship,
1354
01:13:12,379 --> 01:13:13,517
you both have to be
on the same page.
1355
01:13:13,517 --> 01:13:15,206
That's at least 18 years.
1356
01:13:15,206 --> 01:13:16,206
I mean, you have a daughter.
1357
01:13:16,206 --> 01:13:17,965
- You know it's not easy.
- Yeah.
1358
01:13:17,965 --> 01:13:19,551
I didn't
wanna be a father.
1359
01:13:20,689 --> 01:13:23,517
But once I'd seen my child,
I was infatuated with her.
1360
01:13:23,517 --> 01:13:26,448
Yeah, but if you just feel
like you're not meant to be
a parent,
1361
01:13:26,448 --> 01:13:27,896
then you need to honor that.
1362
01:13:57,586 --> 01:14:00,344
So, you will stay
in the relationship
1363
01:14:00,344 --> 01:14:02,551
knowing that you and James
1364
01:14:02,551 --> 01:14:04,241
may never have
a child together?
1365
01:14:06,448 --> 01:14:07,310
Okay.
1366
01:14:12,586 --> 01:14:13,310
Mmm.
1367
01:14:14,758 --> 01:14:16,137
What, what was that, "Mmm"?
1368
01:14:16,137 --> 01:14:18,862
I can feel that
my sister really hurt
1369
01:14:18,862 --> 01:14:21,379
that James don't wanna
have a kid.
1370
01:14:21,379 --> 01:14:23,344
But she's gonna be with him,
1371
01:14:23,344 --> 01:14:26,482
and then still saying that,
"I'm happy with James."
1372
01:14:26,482 --> 01:14:28,931
I don't know.
It does not make sense for me.
1373
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,172
So, it's obvious that
1374
01:14:32,172 --> 01:14:35,758
Angel is still not on board
with this relationship.
1375
01:14:35,758 --> 01:14:38,000
This seems like you guys
are at an impasse.
1376
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,862
And I have to prepare for her
to be here.
1377
01:14:46,275 --> 01:14:48,103
You are going to pay
for her visa.
1378
01:14:48,103 --> 01:14:49,896
It's already in process.
1379
01:14:51,620 --> 01:14:54,206
Tatha wouldn't come
until I started the process.
1380
01:14:54,206 --> 01:14:55,482
It had to be started,
1381
01:14:55,482 --> 01:14:57,724
'cause she didn't trust me
to start it when she got here.
1382
01:15:02,206 --> 01:15:03,448
Yes.
1383
01:15:04,793 --> 01:15:06,310
You've already paid for it?
1384
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:07,862
Bro.
1385
01:15:07,862 --> 01:15:09,137
That's very dangerous.
1386
01:15:10,137 --> 01:15:11,965
It's gonna be a war zone
in your home.
1387
01:15:14,896 --> 01:15:18,655
You are collecting a team here
to attack him.
1388
01:15:18,655 --> 01:15:20,965
- Because we didn't
listen to him.
- I can do all this on my own.
1389
01:15:43,172 --> 01:15:47,482
So, James,
you've already paid
for Angel's visa.
1390
01:15:48,758 --> 01:15:50,068
Yes. Yep.
1391
01:15:51,034 --> 01:15:55,068
Then Tatha, you would not come
to the United States
1392
01:15:55,068 --> 01:15:59,620
until James applied
for Angel's visa.
1393
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,724
I don't think it was fair.
1394
01:16:06,551 --> 01:16:09,206
Uh, it's, you know,
it's an open up to six months.
1395
01:16:09,206 --> 01:16:10,310
- Wow.
- Pfft.
1396
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,206
Don't leave it open ended,
that's...
1397
01:16:13,206 --> 01:16:15,103
Well, I can put
whatever I want on there.
1398
01:16:15,103 --> 01:16:17,275
Do, like, one day.
1399
01:16:17,275 --> 01:16:19,655
There's somebody
negative like this coming in,
1400
01:16:19,655 --> 01:16:21,689
that's a cancer
on any relationship,
1401
01:16:21,689 --> 01:16:25,137
I you don't see how
any relationship can last.
1402
01:16:25,137 --> 01:16:26,896
- You're preaching to the choir
over here.
- Mmm-hmm.
1403
01:16:28,448 --> 01:16:29,655
As soon as she's here,
1404
01:16:29,655 --> 01:16:33,034
every day is gonna be,
"How can I save my marriage?"
1405
01:16:33,034 --> 01:16:34,000
Right.
1406
01:16:43,482 --> 01:16:46,379
I'm happy with James.
1407
01:16:59,137 --> 01:17:01,689
She's happy being with me,
which I love to hear.
1408
01:17:03,344 --> 01:17:05,965
But then she tells me
that she's not happy
where we are.
1409
01:17:05,965 --> 01:17:09,206
And you know, my whole goal
is to make her happy.
1410
01:17:09,206 --> 01:17:11,103
That's what makes me happy.
1411
01:17:11,758 --> 01:17:13,689
I could be
in the worst situation.
1412
01:17:13,689 --> 01:17:16,965
If she's smiling, I am happy.
1413
01:17:18,862 --> 01:17:19,862
Mmm.
1414
01:17:19,862 --> 01:17:21,482
And it's just one
of those things where
1415
01:17:21,482 --> 01:17:23,724
we're in a position
where there's nothing
I can do.
1416
01:17:25,551 --> 01:17:28,137
Because we'd reached
a point where
1417
01:17:28,137 --> 01:17:30,965
we were not gonna be able
to take care of ourselves
anymore.
1418
01:17:30,965 --> 01:17:32,689
I was not gonna be able
to take care of her,
1419
01:17:32,689 --> 01:17:34,724
provide for her,
put a roof over her head.
1420
01:17:34,724 --> 01:17:37,413
Without a work visa,
I couldn't get a job-job.
1421
01:17:37,413 --> 01:17:40,068
So, it was either,
"Okay, so I can stay here
1422
01:17:40,068 --> 01:17:42,068
and have her
lose faith in me here,
1423
01:17:42,068 --> 01:17:45,000
or I can go back
and at least do my damn best
1424
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,344
to get everything
back together,
1425
01:17:46,344 --> 01:17:48,206
try to do this again
the right way."
1426
01:17:56,034 --> 01:17:57,689
Well,
we can definitely see
1427
01:17:57,689 --> 01:18:00,551
how hard these decisions
have been on you.
1428
01:18:00,551 --> 01:18:02,896
James and Tatha,
let's pause here
1429
01:18:02,896 --> 01:18:05,310
and give you a break
from this conversation,
1430
01:18:05,310 --> 01:18:07,000
and we'll circle back
to you later.
1431
01:18:07,965 --> 01:18:08,862
Angel,
1432
01:18:08,862 --> 01:18:10,965
we appreciate you
joining us today.
1433
01:18:10,965 --> 01:18:11,827
Take care.
1434
01:18:12,379 --> 01:18:13,862
Thank you.
1435
01:18:13,862 --> 01:18:15,827
All right,
we're going to take
a quick break.
1436
01:18:15,827 --> 01:18:16,896
When we come back,
1437
01:18:16,896 --> 01:18:19,068
it'll be Corona
and Ingi's turn.
1438
01:18:22,275 --> 01:18:23,517
Are you okay?
1439
01:18:23,517 --> 01:18:25,000
Can I get a tissue
to blow my nose?
1440
01:18:26,482 --> 01:18:27,689
Sorry.
1441
01:18:30,103 --> 01:18:31,000
Thank you.
1442
01:18:47,896 --> 01:18:49,551
She, she hates my guts.
1443
01:18:49,551 --> 01:18:51,724
She hates that we--
1444
01:18:57,172 --> 01:18:58,689
Not often do you have,
like, a breakup,
1445
01:18:58,689 --> 01:18:59,965
and then
you're forced to, like,
1446
01:18:59,965 --> 01:19:04,068
rewatch your relationship
and then have to face your ex.
1447
01:19:04,068 --> 01:19:06,689
Quite honestly, like,
I don't want any updates
from Ingi.
1448
01:19:06,689 --> 01:19:08,586
Like, I don't care
what's new in his life.
1449
01:19:08,586 --> 01:19:10,862
I'd like to just
move the [bleep] on.
1450
01:19:14,379 --> 01:19:17,275
I have some questions
for Ingi.
1451
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,241
And he's laughing
1452
01:19:24,241 --> 01:19:26,310
- like the piece of
that he is.
- 100%.
1453
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:28,068
Definitely not a good look
for you, man.
1454
01:19:28,068 --> 01:19:29,448
You're a piece of [bleep].
1455
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,275
What?
1456
01:19:39,241 --> 01:19:41,724
I've been better, man.
I've been better.
1457
01:19:49,034 --> 01:19:50,482
Yeah.
1458
01:19:53,344 --> 01:19:56,310
Appreciate it,
the European support,
we stick together.
1459
01:20:07,206 --> 01:20:08,724
I mean, I didn't even walk--
wanna walk on the set.
1460
01:20:08,724 --> 01:20:09,862
I saw him on the camera
and I was like,
1461
01:20:09,862 --> 01:20:12,241
"I'm done.
I want to turn around."
1462
01:20:30,862 --> 01:20:32,310
Oh, [bleep].
1463
01:20:35,206 --> 01:20:36,137
Yeah.
1464
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,482
Bye.
1465
01:20:57,758 --> 01:20:59,689
I just don't wanna be there.
That's an uncomfortable, like,
1466
01:20:59,689 --> 01:21:00,896
no one wants to, like,
1467
01:21:00,896 --> 01:21:02,517
sit there in front of your ex
who broke your heart.
1468
01:21:09,068 --> 01:21:10,793
I can do this all on my own.
1469
01:21:10,793 --> 01:21:11,655
No, no.
1470
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:13,827
I mean...
1471
01:21:22,448 --> 01:21:23,310
Okay.
1472
01:21:29,758 --> 01:21:31,275
We are ready.
1473
01:21:31,275 --> 01:21:34,862
Five, four, three, two.
1474
01:21:34,862 --> 01:21:38,931
All right, we are going
to move on to Corona and Ingi.
1475
01:21:38,931 --> 01:21:41,758
I don't wanna do this.
1476
01:21:42,551 --> 01:21:44,000
- Mmm.
- Now, Ingi,
1477
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,206
you got some heat
right off the bat
1478
01:21:46,206 --> 01:21:47,620
over your breakup with Corona.
1479
01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:50,413
So, I wanna give you a second
to say your piece.
1480
01:21:50,413 --> 01:21:54,034
How did we get to this point?
1481
01:21:54,034 --> 01:21:55,000
Thank you.
1482
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,517
Uh, so, yeah, uh,
1483
01:21:57,517 --> 01:21:58,689
like, when we were in Iceland,
1484
01:21:58,689 --> 01:22:01,482
everything was, you know,
just awesome.
1485
01:22:01,482 --> 01:22:02,551
Like, uh...
1486
01:22:05,551 --> 01:22:07,379
And people...
1487
01:22:08,103 --> 01:22:09,551
You know, I think that,
you know,
1488
01:22:09,551 --> 01:22:13,862
I didn't love her and, like,
that's just so [bleep] unfair.
1489
01:22:15,275 --> 01:22:18,689
It's basically like
when I went to the States
to visit her.
1490
01:22:22,034 --> 01:22:24,068
Just by arriving
at the airport, uh,
1491
01:22:24,068 --> 01:22:27,482
like, this completely
other person just greeted me.
1492
01:22:27,482 --> 01:22:29,896
Like, I, I did not see the,
1493
01:22:29,896 --> 01:22:35,344
the loving, fun, caring,
uh, person that I fell
in love with.
1494
01:22:35,344 --> 01:22:37,000
When we were together, like...
1495
01:22:38,586 --> 01:22:40,344
Why, uh, like, uh...
1496
01:22:40,344 --> 01:22:42,241
I've wrapped my mind
around that many times
1497
01:22:42,241 --> 01:22:44,482
and, you know, nothing,
1498
01:22:44,482 --> 01:22:47,000
nothing good has ever come
from that, uh...
1499
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,931
You know,
I suggested couples--
1500
01:22:48,931 --> 01:22:50,931
couple therapy, uh,
1501
01:22:50,931 --> 01:22:55,172
she, she said that
I was the only one
that needed therapy,
1502
01:22:55,172 --> 01:22:56,655
or couple's therapy, so.
1503
01:22:56,655 --> 01:22:58,896
After we had
that conversation, I...
1504
01:22:59,896 --> 01:23:02,482
Yeah, I, I just left and,
and left for good.
1505
01:23:02,482 --> 01:23:05,931
And people don't realize,
like, how difficult it is
1506
01:23:05,931 --> 01:23:10,275
to have, uh, like,
been in love
1507
01:23:10,275 --> 01:23:13,655
and, uh, seeing a,
a future with someone
1508
01:23:13,655 --> 01:23:16,482
and having it taken away
from you.
1509
01:23:18,655 --> 01:23:20,793
Like, we were planning
on getting a K-1 visa.
1510
01:23:28,379 --> 01:23:29,344
And, yeah.
1511
01:23:29,344 --> 01:23:30,827
And I had to break up
with Corona.
1512
01:23:30,827 --> 01:23:34,000
And, uh, it was probably
the most difficult thing
that I ever did
1513
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,758
do, do in my life.
1514
01:23:35,758 --> 01:23:38,758
And like that,
I'm out of here.
1515
01:23:46,275 --> 01:23:48,068
Son of a... What a weak bitch.
1516
01:23:48,068 --> 01:23:49,517
That's some weak [bleep].
1517
01:23:51,586 --> 01:23:52,827
What the [bleep]?
1518
01:23:54,413 --> 01:23:55,448
I'm shocked.
1519
01:23:55,448 --> 01:23:58,931
Now that has never
happened before.
1520
01:24:02,965 --> 01:24:05,862
Next time on 90 Day Fiance:
The Other Way,
1521
01:24:05,862 --> 01:24:07,793
the couples Tell All.
1522
01:24:10,862 --> 01:24:13,241
Yes.
Not from someone
you slept with.
1523
01:24:14,689 --> 01:24:15,689
We, we didn't this.
1524
01:24:15,689 --> 01:24:18,068
I didn't think
I would have to say that.
1525
01:24:18,068 --> 01:24:20,758
It can't be a therapist
that you [bleep], Sarper.
1526
01:24:23,620 --> 01:24:26,862
Tatha accused James
of cheating.
1527
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,000
We don't regret what we did.
1528
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,103
You know,
people elope all the time.
1529
01:24:41,103 --> 01:24:42,586
Like, how do you
do that to me?
1530
01:24:42,586 --> 01:24:44,068
How do you hurt me like that?
1531
01:24:44,068 --> 01:24:45,241
I would never
treat my daughter
1532
01:24:45,241 --> 01:24:47,448
the way that you treat
your daughter.
1533
01:24:47,448 --> 01:24:49,586
- You're shoving your opinions
down her throat.
- No, I'm not.
1534
01:24:49,586 --> 01:24:51,310
No, you're judging me.
1535
01:24:51,310 --> 01:24:52,689
You have a big mouth.
1536
01:24:52,689 --> 01:24:55,206
I said you need to shut it
and let it be.
1537
01:24:56,655 --> 01:25:00,068
Is there any chance
we're getting Ingi back?
1538
01:25:00,068 --> 01:25:01,275
I hope not.
1539
01:25:01,275 --> 01:25:02,620
What a punk ass bitch.
1540
01:25:02,620 --> 01:25:03,862
He says his part
and then leaves.
1541
01:25:03,862 --> 01:25:05,482
So, he holds
no accountability.
1542
01:25:14,551 --> 01:25:16,655
We wanna hear his side.
1543
01:25:16,655 --> 01:25:18,620
You're way nicer to him
than he [bleep] deserves.
1544
01:25:22,965 --> 01:25:24,965
You said it first
that you did not believe
1545
01:25:24,965 --> 01:25:27,379
this marriage would last.
1546
01:25:27,379 --> 01:25:28,827
How do you feel today?