Tonight, part one
of an incredible two-part event.
The couples are ready to tell all.
No. Not one [bleep] time.
Yeah.
Lily, on a scale of 1-10,
how would you rate your relationship with Josh today?
She say three?
Ohhh!
It doesn't take away
the hurt you gave me, Joanne. I'm sorry.
I mean, I tell you everything.
- I tell you everything. - Oh, I know. Oh, I know.
I would never treat my daughter
the way that you treat your daughter.
You're overly opinionated
and you're shoving your opinions down her throat...
- No, I'm not. No, I'm not. - ...acting like she's entitled to tell you everything.
Shekinah, you're a mom yourself,
and yet you were gonna go move to Turkey
and leave your daughter behind?
- I mean, I don't understand that. - Oh, wow.
There was an incident
where Meitalia accused James of cheating.
My eyes were wandering.
When you corresponded with Sarper,
did he tell you that he had a girlfriend?
- Yes. - He did. Okay.
- Scroll, scroll, scroll. - Oh, whoa.
- Oh, whoa. Oh! - Oh, that's... Oh!
- Hold on! - Sarper!
And it all starts now.
A lot has happened since you guys last saw me,
and I definitely have some updates.
I'm not gonna lie. I'm not looking forward to this.
You know what?
I honestly don't think people will be surprised
where me and Ingi are at.
I'm surprised. This was not what I envisioned.
But I think a lot of people saw this coming.
Today is gonna be really rough.
I'm feeling very vulnerable.
I feel like I'm going into all this,
basically, naked and alone.
Tatha's back by my side,
and I wish it meant things were easier and going great,
but they're not.
We have a mountain of obstacles to overcome,
and a lot we need to talk about today.
I'm really nervous we're gonna be too far apart
on some of these big issues.
I'm worried about getting judged and attacked.
- Yeah. - I did not make
some of the smartest decisions in my life.
I actually came back to the US for some family events,
but I'm missing China
because I don't like being away from Lily.
The only big concern I have is Lily.
She does get defensive.
If she hears something she doesn't like,
that's when she really becomes defensive,
starts her arguing.
So, hopefully she doesn't get triggered
by people asking us questions.
- Hi! - Oh.
- How are you? - Good.
- How are you? - Awesome.
Today, I'm excited to meet everybody.
I feel like I'm as ready as I can possible be,
but being a psychic, I pick up on
everything that they're feeling.
So it kind of has me
on the inside going like...
But that's why we have crystals.
I have one that's mundane,
that's just for fun and fashion,
and then I have the other that is here to protect,
and then there are others
to keep me balanced,
in the "goddesses pockets," as I like to call it.
So, how long have you been sitting here alone?
- A few moments. - Okay.
- You look amazing. - Thank you.
- I appreciate it. - I can't believe I'm seeing you in person.
I know, right? It's like, "Oh, here you are in person."
So, who do you think is here with a partner?
I have a feeling we may have a surprise today.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
- Hey. - Hey.
Oh, my goodness.
Oh.
Hey, you look good.
- You look good too. - You look amazing.
How are you?
- Oh, thank you. - Wow.
- You guys look amazing. - Thank you so much.
How's everybody feeling?
Good.
I've noticed we're all really good
at sharing our secrets with our family.
- I'm probably gonna get crucified for that. - Yeah.
I'm feeling, like, your vibe.
Your whole aura is like, "I'm chill."
- Oh, gosh. - Like, I don't know. You must have
some grounding crystals on or something, but there's...
- I have a few. - Okay.
- I have a few. - I'm like, "There's something going on."
I have something that I brought...
- Yeah? - ...and so I'm gonna be right back.
- All right. - Okay.
Surprises already.
I know.
She's sitting here,
so I'm assuming Sean came.
Yeah.
He is always the coolest looking person.
I know.
Oh, my God.
Brought something.
Oh, my goodness.
I have Sean here.
Yeah, I'm looking good.
I mean,
the universe opened up and was like, "Send him there,"
and I was like, "Yes!"
- What's up? How are you? - Okay, James Bond.
- Good. I'm okay. - Wow.
- How are you? - I'm doing good.
So, I'm here in the States at the minute,
but I don't know how long that's gonna last.
It feels awesome to be here.
It just feels awesome to be with Jo.
Oh, my God!
- Hey! - No way!
What's up? How are you?
Oh, my God. So good to see you.
- I knew she was here. I knew she was here. - This is Tatha.
- "Where is she?" - Hi!
- That's awesome.
- I love your dress. - Me too!
- Thank you. - That dress is lovely.
- All done now. - I know.
Oh, hey.
Hi!
- Hi! You too! - Oh, my goodness.
- I like them shoes. - Casual.
- How are you? It's nice to meet you. - Hi! Oh, my goodness.
- You look so handsome. - Thank you.
Oh, I love the shirt.
Oh, my gosh.
I'm so excited to see the other couples.
But it's like, I'm not soft partnering anyone on this stage,
so I'm telling everyone what I think,
and I really wanna talk about Josh and Lily.
Lily is a boss ass bitch, and I love her,
and I think she deserves the world,
and if Josh can't give it to her,
she needs to go get it somewhere else.
And I do think, sometimes,
James tries to say the right thing,
and so that does come across
a little beauty pageant sometimes,
and a little, like,
you know, "What are you sugarcoating?"
It is so surreal having Sarper here in the US.
We'll find out, babe.
I was dreaming about this day coming.
I was hoping for it.
I was manifesting it.
I need a wardrobe rack and a mirror and a table.
So, how are you feeling?
I'm all right. I'm... [exhales] You know.
Ingi's not gonna be here, then?
He better not be.
What happened with all that?
I guess we're gonna get into that,
- you know? - I guess we are.
Me and Ingi are definitely no longer together.
I think, quite personally, he is a jackass
and fumbled the bag big time,
and he will regret that for the rest of his [bleep] life.
You know...
I don't really wanna talk about my breakup.
He lied about loving me. He just walked away, like...
I had a lot of love to give,
but he was completely phony.
You could see that you were totally in love with him, like.
Yeah, which I feel like such a [bleep] idiot for.
Well, don't. Lessons.
- Ah, what's up? - Hi, guys.
- Good to meet you. - What's up, brother?
So excited. I'll give you a hug.
- Hey, there. Good to see you. - Hi!
- Is Lily missing? - How are you?
- Hi, guys. - Hi!
- Hi, babe. How are you? - Hello. Nice to see you.
You too.
How are you guys? Congratulations
- on your engagement. - Thanks.
- Yeah, congratulations. - Thank you so much.
- Thanks. - Can we see the ring?
Show it. Show it.
I love it.
Why would you say the price?
I was disappointed. I thought it was, like, $20,000.
- Yeah, add a one to the front. - Yeah, I didn't wanna know the price.
Out of curiosity, show of hands,
who all here is still in a relationship?
Well, we are.
Aw.
You guys kind of have an idea what this is all like, right?
- Yeah. - How stressed should we be?
Just relax and just...
Yeah. Let it just unfold.
Yeah. I mean,
you have to be that strong in a relationship to to do this
because you get attacked from everybody,
and if you were to let all of that
affect your relationship,
none of us would ever make it.
Are you guys splitting a butter stick?
Yeah.
Yeah. Sarper and I eat butter every day.
We basically only eat meat, butter, cheese,
just, like, high fat foods
because we're on the carnivore diet, so...
Mmm.
No, thank you.
All right. Here we go.
I can't get over how cute Lily is.
- I'm sorry. She's just so [bleep] cute. - I know.
- Good morning. Morning, everyone. - Morning.
- Hi. Hello. - Hello.
- Look at Sarper, in the flesh! - Yeah.
Oh, my gosh.
- How's everybody doing? - Good.
- How are you? - All good. All good. Hello.
- You know. - We're here.
Yeah.
Lily, can you hear me?
Oh, thank you, Lily.
Thank you so much.
Corona, look it. You brought the shoes today.
Oh, these old things?
Ingi, you can hear me?
- Yeah, I can hear you. - Okay, good.
Welcome to 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way,
the couples Tell All.
I'm Shaun Robinson.
Now, you may have noticed
one of our The Other Way couples is not present.
Statler and Dempsey have broken up
and they will not be joining us.
However, we do have
more people here in person for The Other Way
than ever before.
It's not often that our Americans
pick up and move abroad,
only to return to this country with their partners.
Sarper, Meitalia and Sean,
welcome to the United States.
- Hello. - I know we all have
a lot of questions for you.
Sarper, the last time we saw you and Shekinah,
you were trying to get her to stay in Turkey.
But you're here. Why?
But here's what I wanna know.
You had to get a visa to come here.
- Right? - Mmm-hmm.
So the K-1 visa is in process,
and your 90 days as started?
Mmm-hmm.
Okay.
I cannot wait to get into how that happened.
Josh and Lily,
- how are you doing? - Doing good.
It is good to see you.
- We have an interpreter, right, for Lily? - Yes.
Lily...
How have things been, Josh, since the wedding?
- We've had our ups and downs... - Mmm-hmm.
...but the last month, it's actually been improving.
Lily, how do you think things have been going
since you and Josh got married?
Aw.
Yeah. Overall,
we've had a very rough relationship.
Okay.
We're gonna dive into that in just a little bit,
but, first, I'm gonna go to Joanne and Sean.
It is great to see both of you.
- Sean, once again, welcome. - Thank you.
The last that we left the two of you,
you were trying to decide how to continue
- this long distance relationship. - Yeah.
Now, Sean, as we understood it,
you had visa issues
and could not even visit America,
but now you're sitting right there next to Joanne.
That is some news.
- Yeah. - And Joanne,
- you look very, very happy about that. - Very. Yeah.
Are you here for good?
Not this time.
Not permanently yet.
Okay. Can't wait to talk to you about that.
All right. James and Meitalia.
- Can I call you Tatha? - Yeah.
Okay. Great.
It's a surprise to see you back in the States.
You look very happy.
Quite different from when we left the two of you.
You were just bawling.
I mean, he left me, so, yeah.
Throughout your story,
people understood how emotional things were for you,
I'd like to ask what it's like
being here in America the second time.
It's still the same.
It's hard.
And we still have a lot of arguments.
But the relationship's changed from before we left, for sure.
It's different today
- than it was before. - It's different today than it was. Yeah.
Okay.
I can tell there's a lot to dig into underneath there,
so we will get into it
- in just a moment. - We'll fill you in.
Corona and Ingi,
- good to meet you. - Hi.
- How are you? - I'm doing great.
Ingi, how are you?
- Really good. - Really good. Okay. Now,
the last time that we saw the both of you,
Corona, you were struggling to decide
whether or not you were going to stay in Iceland,
or come back and work on your midwifery program.
Have you made up your mind yet?
Oh, a thousand million billion percent.
I am 100% back in school.
- Back in school. - Yes.
And what is the status of your relationship with Ingi?
Was that a hand gesture right there?
We're nothing.
We're not friends. We're not anything.
Like, I literally haven't spoken to this person.
I don't know who this man on the screen is.
Okay.
I gave him so much attention and love and everything,
and then he just left.
Ingi, how would you describe your relationship with Corona today?
It's definitely nothing.
- Definitely nothing? - Yeah.
Okay. All right.
Corona, did you even say hi to Ingi?
No. Why would I?
Hi, Corona.
And he's only doing that to be a smart ass. He didn't say hi to me either.
So, no, we're good.
And he's laughing like the piece of
- that he is. - 100%.
Definitely not a good look for you, man.
Sean, why did you call him that?
'Cause he is. He's a piece of [bleep].
You know what you're doing. You're a piece of [bleep].
- What? - Don't "What?".
You know exactly what you're doing.
- You're a scumbag. You're a scumbag. - No.
No, I'm not.
You really are, though.
You really [bleep] are.
He made this woman think he was in love with her.
It was just bull [bleep].
Why the did you even show up
if you're just gonna be here lying
with that smug [bleep] smile on your face?
What the [bleep]?
I didn't know that there was that motive behind it.
I thought he just, like, loved me.
Sarper, had you known
that you would end up here in the United States,
would you have still proposed?
That's a really long pause. ...a long pause.
Ohhh!
Has Angel ever apologized
- for, like, the lies she's made up? - She did!
She did apologize to him twice.
Like, the next morning,
she was already, like, right back to the old ways.
She's wanting to come into the relationship
and destroy it.
What the [bleep]?
Let's move on. Let's move the [bleep] on.
Okay so, obviously,
there is a lot that we need to talk about.
We're gonna give everybody plenty of time
to express their points of view.
But first, it is time to dig in
with our first couple in the hot seat.
Is everybody ready?
- Mmm-hmm. - Let's do it.
Yeah.
Shekinah and Sarper, are you ready to get into it?
- Yeah. - Let's do it.
While Sarper did end up coming to America,
he had initially hoped to convince Shekinah to stay in Turkey,
a plan he told his family but kept hidden from her.
Shekinah, how did you feel when you found that out?
I didn't know that there was that motive behind it.
I thought he just, like, loved me.
But it didn't work for him, clearly.
I mean, here he is in the US.
- Is that right, Shekinah? - Yeah.
You just could not adapt to Turkey?
I gave it my best shot, but it was just too difficult.
He knows English, so it's easier for him to adapt to the US.
I don't know Turkish.
Yeah, that's the biggest thing.
The feeling of being that far from her
was just too difficult
for me, long term, to deal with.
Do you consider yourself an American now, Sarper?
- No. - No. You said, "No.
Not at all. Not at all."
- One week? That's it? - Mmm-hmm.
Sarper, you proposed
thinking it would lead Shekinah to stay in Turkey.
Had you known that you would
end up here in the United States,
would you have still proposed?
That's a good question, actually.
- That's a really long pause. - You're taking a long pause.
Don't even answer, actually.
- Ohhh! - I don't need your answer.
I mean...
Yeah. Long distance is very difficult.
That's normal.
Jealous, possessive and territorial.
Yeah. Don't go out.
Yeah. Stay in the orbit, babe.
- Stay in the lane. Don't go out. - Stay in the orbit.
What do you think
could happen in the US?
- I mean, he's in Los Angeles. - We live in Los Angeles.
A lot could happen.
There you go.
He landed and said,
"Parents, lock up your daughters."
- That's what he said when he got off the plane. - Oh, my God.
- Same... - "Lock the window."
That is definitely worse.
- I think I have a good reason to not fully trust you. - That is worse.
Is that just his humor?
- Like, I don't know. Like... - Yes,
but I feel like, behind, like, jokes like that,
there's gotta be a little... I mean,
his mind is there.
Whether it's coming out as a joke or not,
- he's thinking, you know... - Okay.
You know...
Okay.
Oh, my God, babe.
I understand
- where he's coming from. - Just don't talk anymore.
- You do, James? - I do.
- I actually do. - Well, tell us, please.
I have a terrible sense of humor. She hates it.
- When she first came here, she absolutely hated it. - I do.
And I told her, "All right, well,
when we go out in public, if we're leaving the house,
there's two rules you should always remember.
One, keep my hand full and my balls empty
and you won't ever have to worry about anything."
- Before we leave the house... - James, what the [bleep]?
- It always should just... - Wow.
- What? - It should always be that way.
You empty your own balls.
- Like, that's not her responsibility... - No?
- ...to keep your balls empty. - We're married.
You know, she's always like,
"I don't want you looking anywhere,"
and if you think I'm looking somewhere--
So, if you got full balls, you'll be looking?
No, but if you think I'm looking somewhere,
and you ever feel that way,
if you made sure that things were taken care of,
you'd never have to worry about that
because you'd know, "Well, he's got nothing to think about."
Well, how does that make her feel
- when you're not in the same country? - Yeah.
- When we're not in the same country-- - With full balls.
Oh, my goodness.
No, no, no. Phone sex.
Yeah.
Since you have moved to the States, Sarper,
can you go out by yourself without Shekinah?
I didn't yet.
You have not yet.
You don't need to ask permission.
You're not a prisoner.
So, he can go out...
- Do you feel like you're a prisoner? - You feel like
- you're a prisoner? - He's not.
If you turn your phone location on,
I bet she'll let you go wherever you wanna go.
Oh, wow.
So, do you track his location?
- I can't. He won't let me. - No. No.
Oh, you don't share your location.
No, he doesn't.
I mean...
So shady.
She can't hold your phone, or, like, you don't want her
going through your phone, kind of thing?
What is happening there, since you bring it up?
- Why don't you want her to see? - Yeah.
If she went through it right now,
would she see something that would make her upset, do you think?
All right.
Well, I can see why
- she would wanna go through the DMs now. - What?
Wait, they're sending you some what?
Yeah, I mean, you know...
- Yeah, lads' group. Group chat. - A guy. Yeah.
Naked women,
porn videos.
- That's not a friends' group. - What the hell?
That's just a random group chat that you're a part of?
What?
Is this the first time you're hearing this?
Yes. This is gross.
- It's not, babe. - It is gross.
I don't want him imagining and describing to his friends
- what he would do to someone else. - Right.
- That's not good. - Like, that feels gross.
- So, are you talking in this group chat. - No.
Are you commenting what you would do to these people?
So, you don't participate in that group chat.
- No, no, no, no. - But you just look at everything.
But you don't ever message or interact?
- That's comforting. Every girl loves to hear that. - Great plan.
Well, when Shekinah and Sarper
first applied for his K-1 visa,
her friend Josh voiced concerns.
And now that that visa has been approved,
we want to find out if those feelings have changed.
From Los Angeles, please welcome Josh.
- Hi, Josh. - Oh, Josh.
How are you? - How are you?
- Amazing. - Thanks for joining us.
Tell us, how do you feel about
Sarper being in the United States
with less than 90 days
to get married to Shekinah?
Oh, [bleep], where do I start?
I have a lot of concerns, obviously.
The excessive jealousy and the controlling factors.
I mean, that's... It's hindering.
I mean, you already walk into a relationship with issues,
and these are severe issues,
these aren't issues that have compounded over a few days.
This... it's already happening.
You're talking about jealousy on the part of Shekinah?
- Both. I see both. - Both. Okay.
I just don't want it to become an issue
later on down the road, Sarper,
because, you know, she kind of does have
a lot of "male acquaintances" that are all close and who are--
...you know?
- Shekinah, Josh is a good friend of yours, right? - Yes.
- He's one of my best friends. - Okay.
Best friends.
Josh doesn't sleep with women, so we're good.
But also, Sarper, it works both ways
because, since you're here in LA, you'll be in our group,
so there'll be female friends
who you'll have as well, called acquaintances.
No, he won't, but,
that's cute. Okay. Okay.
Yeah.
Does that make sense to you guys?
- To me, no. - Not really, no.
100%.
Tatha, you know about jealousy.
Yes.
You certainly do.
Can James have any female friends?
- No. Mmm-mmm. - No.
Absolutely not.
- And that's with a capital N, by the way. - Yeah. No.
I get it, you know. Lily tells me,
"The day I stop being jealous
is the day I'm not in love with you."
And I get that from her.
To each their own.
- Mmm-hmm. - Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
As we know, in the past,
Sarper has known a lot of women in his life,
including, he claims, thousands of lovers.
- Twenty-five-hundred? - Yeah.
2,500, actually. - I mean...
And one of them is with us tonight.
She has kept in touch with Sarper
and has a unique perspective
on who Sarper really is.
Please welcome Deedee.
I went to his apartment.
We drank, we hung out,
- and we stayed in touch. - Ohhh.
- You stayed in touch until when? - When's the last time
- you messaged him? - Until when? Yeah.
Yeah.
- I don't... - Let her answer.
Please welcome Deedee.
- Hi. - Hi, Deedee.
Hi, Sarper. Hi!
- What is this? - Sarper, you look stunned.
Hello.
- Oh, my God. - Sarper, you remember Deedee, right?
He has to. His face.
Oh, I want popcorn.
Shekinah, have you ever heard of Deedee?
No, I haven't.
All right. Deedee,
how long have you known Sarper?
Um, I met Sarper, I think, three years ago.
And how well do you know Sarper?
I think we're friends.
- I consider us-- - You're friends?
Friends. Yeah.
Sarper doesn't have any friends that are females.
So you're not friends, honey.
Do you think you're friends right now?
You're not friends with Sarper.
Is that your friend?
Yeah.
So you were one of the one-night stands.
- Yeah. - Okay.
Okay.
How did you two meet?
Yeah.
Oh, that's nice.
And when did you guys like first get together?
During Covid.
Um, and I went to his apartment.
We drank, We hung out.
It was fun, and we stayed in touch.
Oof!
You stayed in touch until when?
- When was the last time you messaged him? - Until when? Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
- I think it was-- - Let her answer it.
Uh, November.
Of this year? Or last year, I mean.
Mmm-hmm.
When you corresponded with Sarper in November,
did he tell you that he had a girlfriend?
- Yes. - He did? Okay.
Because when I was going to Turkey,
I told him, if he wanted to hang out,
I would meet her...
- Hang out. You know. - What?
If she wanted. It didn't matter.
Yeah, I'll pass on that.
Thanks.
So you actually wanted to meet Shekinah?
Yeah, but he said no
because she's possessive and unpredictable.
Oh, wow. That's what you said?
"Unpredictable"? Like...
- That's so weird. - And I want him to be happy.
- Like, I would love to know her. - He is happy.
I would love for him to be happy.
It's weird that she thought we could hang out.
Like, that's... insane.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Yes. Yes.
Before he was with like every girl, every--
every one-night stand.
But right now, from what I know of him,
I just feel like he will never cheat.
I really think that.
And, um, I think that he will be very honest
and very loyal.
DeeDee, do you think that Sarper is afraid of Shekinah?
I think that it's the possessiveness,
and like he says,
he doesn't feel like he can go anywhere or have friends.
What?
Um, I think it does seem a little bit toxic,
- like unhealthy in a lot of ways. - Okay.
That's fine.
I really don't care what you think about our relationship.
And like I said, I don't think that he will cheat.
- Um-- - Based on what?
- I think he's a good guy.
I just think it's funny you have such an opinion.
Like, you don't even know him.
Like, a one night stand, and you're like, "No, he wouldn't cheat."
We do text.
I mean, we talked about, like, meeting up
several other times. I would be working,
or something would be going on,
and, you know, we didn't meet up.
Okay, I'm going to go.
I'll come back when she's not here.
So, how about that?
Just let me know when she's off the screen,
'cause I can't look at whatever that is any longer.
To find out they were texting in November,
like, I'm so upset about that.
And, what, she slept with him one night?
So did 2,500 other women.
So you just had that one night.
And how many times have you corresponded
just via DM, text?
- Two or three times? - You've had three conversations in life?
I mean...
How does she know so much about you?
Three times.
We talked a lot.
You remember everything,
just not how many times we texted.
You can see if you want, how much we text.
Scroll, scroll, scroll!
Oh, whoa!
- Wait a second! - Oh, no!
These receipts needed to come out long ago.
Okay. Shekinah is refusing to leave her dressing room.
I've dealt with his past ever since we met.
It was the bottle collection,
it was exes reaching out,
it was his book, and now it's this person.
It's just insane.
He needs to be the man that I need him to be.
And if he can't catch on,
then we can't walk down the aisle.
So when it came to the question I asked
about how many times you were DM'ing
and you said "two or three times," that was not truthful.
She just scrolled.
That was a lot of "two or three times."
The most recent was November 10th,
and he said, "Are you in the US or Turkey?"
And this was 2022. He just sent a picture.
- Okay, this is before Shekinah. - Before Shekinah.
- Okay. So, DeeDee... - Yeah.
...how many different threads are there?
Four, five, six, seven, eight--
This was before the relationship.
- It was. - Yeah.
It was.
It was before.
Well, no. No, there was some--
- Some texting-- - ...crossover.
I feel he handled it right, though, because he did say,
"I'm in a rela--" Although he did say that one weird thing.
But he said, "I'm in a relationship."
Yeah.
Okay, Shekinah is refusing to leave her dressing room.
All right, so it seems like we should pause here,
and hopefully Shekinah will be back out with us soon.
She will. Yeah.
DeeDee, thank you so much.
- I know this was pretty uncomfortable for you... - Thank you!
- But we certainly appreciate you being here. - No!
It was totally fine.
It's nice to meet you guys.
And, Josh, we appreciate you being here also.
- You are a good friend to Shekinah, so... - Thank you.
- ...we hope that friendship lasts.
It will.
Let's take a quick break,
but we will pick this back up in a minute.
Yes, yes.
Sarper should have followed me up here.
I've dealt with this past ever since we met,
and I'm tired of it.
It was the bottle collection,
it was exes reaching out,
it was his book, and now it's this person.
I'm tired of it.
Knock, knock.
- Shekinah? - Yeah?
- Are you okay? - Yes.
- I'm good. - Yeah?
- Yeah. - Are you upset?
I'm annoyed.
I feel okay, but I don't know.
He just [bleep] up a few times there.
And I just couldn't believe she was sitting there
and like had the audacity to tell me about my man.
- But you handled it better than I would. - Thanks.
No, you handled it great, in my opinion.
- I would have popped off on him. - Oh, I left.
But, I mean, I do walk away from situations
when I feel like I am gonna like snap.
- Yeah, exactly. - Yeah.
I just hope you guys can, you know,
- work past this. - Well, I hope he can come in here
and check on me, because, right now,
he's having a conversation with the guys, it looks like.
And I feel like the attention
should be like over here.
Okay, well, I'll see you guys out there.
- Okay. Yeah. - Thank you.
Hey, sharper.
Are you gonna handle this?
- Yeah. - Or like...
I won't to tell you what to do.
You know.
I would recommend.
Why did it take you so long to come up here?
What?
But why did you have to finish that
before coming after me?
Why was that conversation more--
I left the stage. Why didn't you?
Lily, on a scale of one to ten,
how would you rate your relationship with Josh today?
I hate to say, it sounds delusional at this point.
Seeing your guys' relationship,
if there's any love, it's one-sided.
I left the stage. Why didn't you?
That sucks you didn't come after me, babe.
That is not your best.
I know you can do better than that.
That's not your best.
The only person you should be concerned with making happy
is the person that's in your life.
Is that woman in your life?
Is that other woman in your life?
Then why do you care about making her happy?
Your past has come up to haunt us
nonstop since we've been together.
And I'm tired of it. It's not normal.
Don't call me a bitch when I'm upset.
If you yell at me right now...
I don't want to keep living moments like this
over and over.
It's creating small fractures in our relationship
that's going to end up in a big break.
I promise you. I just know how things like this go.
Nobody's winning in this situation.
Nobody's winning.
If you're gonna look at yourself as a prize,
then you need to act like one.
Sarper will give her that look and she'll forgive him.
- She'll melt. She'll melt. Yeah, she will. - It'll all be fine.
She is gonna melt.
I like the new Sarper, though.
Honestly, Sarper's a lot different than I thought he was gonna be.
- So different. - A lot different.
Yeah. He's changing his ways for her,
and that takes a lot.
Even Shekinah surprised me because she seems like a submissive
that's just going to go along with everything.
But she's actually got a [bleep] backbone,
and she puts him in his place.
Let's go.
Stop saying things like that.
You're so annoying sometimes.
I see him trying.
But he needs to show to me in these 90 days
that he can be the man that I need him to be.
And if he can't catch on,
then we can't walk down the aisle.
Clearly, he loves her.
- Hi, Lily. - Hello.
Well, Shekinah has rejoined us.
How are you doing?
I'm fine.
Okay.
Shekinah and Sarper, we'll get back to you later.
But, right now, we're going to move on.
Let's turn our attention to Josh and Lily.
Josh and Lily, are you ready to get into it?
Yes.
- Yes, I'm ready. - Okay, great.
When we last saw you,
the two of you were enjoying your wedding day
and looking forward to the future.
Josh, how would you say things are
on a scale of one to ten today
with your relationship?
I would definitely say a six.
A six.
Because we still have our issues,
but we're slowly improving the way we communicate with each other.
Lily, how would you rate your relationship with Josh today?
Did she say three?
Hoo!
That's not good, Josh.
Pretty low number.
So low.
So I know that, you know,
she's not 100% happy,
and that does bother me.
You know, she's my wife.
So it's hard.
Lily, how does it make you feel
to see Josh so emotional?
I think in Lily's mind, those are crocodile tears.
Like, your tears don't even put a dent in her emotions.
Here's what I'm wondering.
What is it that you two are holding on to?
Why is this a relationship that you want to be in?
Well, we've definitely had our ups and downs,
and I do believe that we are in love with each other.
It's just we haven't expressed it properly.
I hate to say, it sounds delusional at this point.
Seeing your guys' relationship,
there's not-- If there's any love,
- it's one-sided. - Fully.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
One-sided? On whose side?
He may be in love with her, or the idea of her.
You don't think that Lily is in love with Josh?
Currently in love with him right now?
No. You don't--
You don't say you believe in your relationship on a three out of ten.
If you love someone, that's not where it's gonna be.
You wouldn't say it in the way she said it.
- That hurt. - But she's still there.
She's sticking it out because she loves him.
I think.
Otherwise, if you're at a three,
you're going to bail unless you have love.
What's that old saying? - It sounds like there's
- two feet out the door. - "The heart needs more time to accept
what the mind already knows."
- Like, they're just-- - Yeah.
They're clinging on for--
Who thinks Lily is genuinely in love with Josh.
Whoa. I have no hands up here.
I think she loves him.
- She was. - I think she was.
- She loved him. - At one point in the beginning.
There's part of me that, you know, feels the same way.
This is so damaging.
Yeah.
I hate to say it, but I agree with him.
And she said-- she said-- - Yeah, I mean...
- I wanna re-- - ...she lost--
- I think Lily does love you. - Physical intimacy is very important.
I think Lily does love you.
I think you've hurt her so much
and she's been rejected so much
that she doesn't feel wanted by you anymore.
She said she lost her confidence...
- Yeah, which is a big deal. - ...and I think that maybe
because there's, you know, no intimacy,
that can make a woman feel like not desired
- and like she's not enough or-- - Like, not feeling enough.
- I mean, as a man, if your woman doesn't touch you... - So damaging.
...how would you feel?
- Is your spouse a partner? - And that's part of it.
You know, it...
It's also going the opposite way, you know.
- So I-- you know-- - You can't share the blame on everything.
- You have to take responsibility. - I agree 100%.
But you're the man. You have to come towards the woman.
I like that.
Josh, how long has it been
since you and your wife have been intimate?
It's been a long time. I don't honestly remember.
Was it that bad?
How long? Like, three, four, five, six months?
Probably four.
Are you not sexually attracted to her?
Because Lily's hot as hell.
No, I think she's very beautiful, inside and out.
- And I am-- - Who's rejecting who?
It's...
When I'm being put down every day and belittled,
I just don't have that desire to...
you know, make love.
Sometimes you just got to hate [bleep] it out.
Just get one in, and then you can just, you know,
get going from there.
All right, well, let's ask Lily.
Lily, how long has it been
since you and your husband have been intimate?
You know, I tried every opportunity I could,
- but-- - No.
In total, you guys have slept together five times?
That hurts my soul to hear that.
If I wasn't having sex, I'd rate that relationship less than a three,
honestly.
Why are you fighting for this [bleep] relationship?
Why?
Now, Ingi, you got some heat right off the bat
over your breakup with Corona.
How did we get to this point?
When I went to the States to visit her,
I arriving at the airport, like this...
completely other person just greeted me.
Like, I did not see the-- the loving, fun,
caring, uh, person that I fell in love with.
What a weak bitch.
That's some weak [bleep].
Why are you fighting for this [bleep] relationship?
Why?
Are you willing to stay in this marriage
with your sex life the way it is now,
which is basically nonexistent?
That's what I'm talkin' about, Sean.
Correct.
Yeah, the power dynamic is so bad for you guys
because she's the breadwinner.
Yeah. So, that's so bad.
And why is that necessarily a bad thing
that Lily is the provider?
I think it's because Josh doesn't want Lily
to be the provider, but that's just how it is.
He grew up traditional.
And I know that affects, like, the libido, too, because...
Right off the bat, like, I think it was like...
three or four times the whole time
we were in Indonesia.
you and Tata stopped having sex
because of the financial issues?
Big time. That and the constant fights
- of dealing with everything. - What was it about the financial issues
that made you not want to be intimate with your wife?
Um, raised traditionally.
You know, it's beat into your head a million times
that if you can't provide for your wife or your spouse,
then you don't deserve to have them.
Sarper, you're shaking your head.
It's just a biological thing, hormones.
So you agree with James?
Yes.
Things need to change.
You know, I'm putting all my faith,
you know, trust and hope this time around.
And if we truly do give 100%,
then the sex will improve.
Obviously, this is something you can't work on
until you get back to China.
Back to phone sex.
You say it, but you're right.
It takes practice, though.
You gotta learn how to do it first.
James, how do you do it?
Well, you don't start off with "What are you wearing?"
You start off with "What can you take off right now?"
And then it just escalates from there.
And then you just gotta make sure you're talking correct
because you say one wrong thing in phone sex,
nah, it's over.
Mood's killed. Like, now you've butchered it.
Not interested anymore.
As you did, Sarper?
- I asked her-- - He always ruins it with something.
That's the same thing that would get me in trouble.
If I said the same thing to her.
And then I was over it.
I was like, "This is ending here."
"Why do you want it to be somebody different?"
What's your new name?
You don't care?
We are going to pause here for a little bit,
and we're going to hear more from Josh and Lily a little later.
Before we move on to James and Tata,
I have a fun question for you all.
Have you told your current partners
how many people you've slept with in the past?
James, does Tata know your number?
Yes, I think-- Yeah, she does.
- She wasn't too happy about it, so. - Okay.
Did she ask you what it was?
- Or you just told her? - Um...
Yeah, she asked me.
Okay, see? That-- if somebody asks,
- that's one thing. - She wanted to know. Yeah.
Tata, does James know your number?
He does.
We are pretty open in the very beginning.
- So... - Okay.
Josh, does Lily know your number?
I want to say we discussed it when we first met.
- Yes. - That does not sound believable.
You're just as innocent as you look.
I believe it, though. He's obviously not a sexual person.
Her, I mean, I know she told me,
but, to me, it was never an issue.
And I just don't want to think about it.
Joanne, does Sean know your number?
No.
Sean, does Joanne know your number?
No.
Don't care?
- Don't care. - Don't care.
- The past is the past. - It could be 500.
- I don't care. - So if you knew it,
it would not bother you.
- No. - No.
Okay, so let's do it.
Two thousand six hundred-- No. I mean...
I honestly, like,
I don't know what the number is
because I don't keep score of, you know--
You don't have a book?
- With tallies? - No, I don't have a book.
As do I. I'll be honest. Like, neither do--
It's not... No offense, it's not that...
That's super human level, okay?
No one's touching that.
Shekinah, I know this has been a touchy subject for you too in the past,
with Sarper not wanting to know your number.
Since the last Tell All, have you told him?
No, I mean, he tells it over and over
that he's slept with 2500 women.
- But if he even knows... - But he doesn't want to know-- Yeah.
...I've slept with one other person besides him,
- he can't handle the thought. - Shh.
Yeah.
I can see his eyes go crazy the second you even mention a body count.
I literally would love to just tell him.
Tell him.
I feel like he would leave me.
So, what is your number, Shekinah?
What?
Tatha, do you plan to bring your sister
to live with you here in the States?
In your house? With you and James?
How is that gonna work?
I literally would love to just tell him.
Just, like, how many people I've slept with.
Tell him.
I feel like it would change the way he sees me
and, like, our relationship might never be the same.
Sarper, how--
Well, I mean, 'cause you told me...
...if you even tell me it's one more then,
I mean...
He doesn't wanna know anything about my past.
Well, if there's a future for the relationship,
it certainly should be based on honesty and complete honesty.
Yeah, but I also believe that, like,
if someone doesn't wanna know something,
you have to respect that.
I mean, honestly, I would have preferred to not know his number,
but I wasn't given that option.
So, I would like to at least give him the courtesy.
But it's a double standard, at the same time.
Absolutely.
I just would like for him to acknowledge the fact
that there's a double standard there.
Can you do that or you can't?
- But you know you're not though, right? - You're missing the point.
But you know you're not.
She, she has a daughter.
- So, you know that she-- You're not. - Yeah.
Okay, let's turn our attention now to James and Meitalia.
After spending more than three years in Maine,
James and Meitalia returned to her home in Indonesia to settle down.
But just after a few short months
and a lot of obstacles,
they are back in the United States.
James and Tatha, shall we get into it?
We might as well.
Okay, well, first of all, Tatha,
uh, how long have you been here in the States?
Uh, I think four months.
- Yep. Yep. - About four months?
So, when we left you this season,
there was no consensus on where to live.
Uh, Tatha, what ultimately made you decide
to come back to the United States and be with James?
Was she gonna live with you guys,
or just-- you wanted her to visit?
Just to visit, okay.
Oh.
- Yeah. That makes sense. - Yeah.
But if you guys know the history there,
like, it's, it's a lot more than just that.
- Yeah. - Any time she's around...
- There's drama? Yeah. - ...it, it stirs up so many things between us.
Because she's always got something to say about me.
Always, always, always.
Yeah, she's always trying to, like, cause issues between us.
I mean...
She cries like this in real life every day.
The simplest little thing.
I can say the wrong thing and instantly,
apparently it was something that, like,
hurt her deep and she'll just start crying.
If, like...
I used to be that way, Tatha, I used to...
- I couldn't even make eye contact with someone. - You?
- Yeah, once I got-- - Sarper!
- What? - Heartless.
Because you don't like emotion.
- He gets mad if I'm not emotional... - Heartless.
...and mad if I am.
- Oh, my goodness. - So, I can't win.
With you, like, I feel like some of the situations,
you're not crying because of what's happening right then,
but what's happening then is triggering something
- that's happened to you before. - Yes. Yes, exactly.
- That's what I feel. - Mmm-hmm. Yeah.
- And I know I, I still need to work on it. - Yeah.
- And I'm trying my best. - You will. Yeah, you will.
All right.
Well, Tatha has shed many tears
over the animosity between James
and her older sister, Angel.
She is here
to fill us in on where things stand now.
Please welcome Meitalia's sister, Angel.
Hi, Angel.
And James is right next to her.
Hi.
All right.
Okay, Angel,
um, you said that you did not trust James 100%.
Do you trust him fully now?
Why didn't you try to get to know James?
Well, this is your sister's husband.
What kinds of things would you like to know about him?
Nothing. She's not interested.
Unbelievable.
So, you just enjoy not trusting him and not, like...
Do you love your sister?
It doesn't seem like she truly loves her sister.
Because if she did, she would wanna get to know
the person her sister's in love with and married to.
And who's protecting her
- and, like, with her every day. - Yeah.
But then you should show it more.
That's sad.
Don't you wanna know what her life is like and what it--
what our life is like together?
What did I do?
So, Tatha, do you plan to bring your sister
to live with you here in the States?
In your house? With you and James?
How is that gonna work?
And that makes our relationship harder.
You can't have a relationship with a menage a trois, no.
We just want the two of us.
And it's always bringing this third person
and just keeps coming back
like that bad penny you can't throw far enough away.
Angel, with Tatha being, like,
your best friend and your best sister or whatever,
does it not hurt you to see
- that you're causing this turmoil? - Yeah.
Like, if you just got to know James,
y'all wouldn't be in this situation.
And he'd probably gladly pay for your visa and you can come visit.
Like, you don't have to be as difficult as you're being.
Change your entire personality.
So, no. Cool. Cool, cool, cool.
Cool. Well, then...
I don't know what else to say.
You should be infuriated
by the way that your sister's treated your husband.
She's wanting to come into the relationship and destroy it.
If you have a family member like this
that's affecting your relationship,
you have to cut them off.
- You think Tatha should cut off Angel? - Yeah.
- I agree with that. - I do.
- Clearly, she doesn't give a [bleep] about you or him. - Yeah.
I did cut her off for two years.
And now she's back doing the same thing.
I don't even think this would be an issue right now,
if she was already married.
I don't think she would care.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of jealousy
with the little sister getting married first.
Wait, what?
Yeah, it's because in my family,
because she's my older sister
and then she's not married yet,
he need to ask her to get permission.
"Can I marry your younger sister?"
So, so, Tatha, you never told James
that he was supposed to ask your sister's permission?
I did. I did told him.
But he didn't. Mmm.
That's a big problem.
There is a lot of broken promises in your story.
Yes.
In my family,
he need to ask her to get permission.
"Can I marry your younger sister?"
Mmm.
James did not do that.
- No. - And so, that's part of the animosity
between the two of them.
- Yes. - But he didn't ask
because there was already animosity.
Because she had already spread the lies by that point, correct?
Exactly.
- She made up a lie that he mistreats women badly. - What the...
Has Angel ever apologized for, like,
- the lies she's made up about you? - She did.
She did apologize to him twice.
Like, her apology...
She did apologize to me personally.
But then, like, the next morning,
I already could feel, like, she's already, like,
right back to the old ways or, or whatnot.
If I had asked you,
you'd have just been like, "No, go [bleep] yourself."
What would have been my benefit in asking you?
You didn't try though.
Angel, James made certain promises to your family
in terms of how he would care for Tatha.
One was the financial stability,
and also one was learning the language.
How do you feel he actually came true on those promises?
She admits it.
James, I love you, buddy,
but there is a lot of broken promises in your story.
So, I mean...
And I agree with this. That's a fault of my own.
Well, another very important promise
that James had made to Tatha
was the promise to have children.
James, at first, said he wanted children,
but now says he doesn't.
Let me go to Angel first.
Angel, what was it like for you to find out
James had changed his mind about that?
Oh.
That's a really big question for James.
Do you really love my sister?
Yes, I love Tatha with all my heart.
In the beginning, I did. The world's changed, not me.
After COVID, people just forgot how to interact,
forgot how to be kind or genuine to people.
It seemed like people were just so used to living on the Internet,
that there's a lot of people out there
that are just so cold to everybody.
- That's always been the case though. - This is America, man.
- I feel like you may be using that as an excuse. - It changed, it changed
the whole dynamic of everybody.
- It really didn't though. - Like, I saw people change completely.
And they're failing at the answer.
Yeah.
But James's reasons are valid also,
and if he doesn't want that,
he shouldn't be forced to do that.
To bring children into a relationship,
you both have to be on the same page.
That's at least 18 years.
I mean, you have a daughter.
- You know it's not easy. - Yeah.
I didn't wanna be a father.
But once I'd seen my child, I was infatuated with her.
Yeah, but if you just feel like you're not meant to be a parent,
then you need to honor that.
So, you will stay in the relationship
knowing that you and James
may never have a child together?
Okay.
Mmm.
What, what was that, "Mmm"?
I can feel that my sister really hurt
that James don't wanna have a kid.
But she's gonna be with him,
and then still saying that, "I'm happy with James."
I don't know. It does not make sense for me.
So, it's obvious that
Angel is still not on board with this relationship.
This seems like you guys are at an impasse.
And I have to prepare for her to be here.
You are going to pay for her visa.
It's already in process.
Tatha wouldn't come until I started the process.
It had to be started,
'cause she didn't trust me to start it when she got here.
Yes.
You've already paid for it?
Bro.
That's very dangerous.
It's gonna be a war zone in your home.
You are collecting a team here to attack him.
- Because we didn't listen to him. - I can do all this on my own.
So, James, you've already paid for Angel's visa.
Yes. Yep.
Then Tatha, you would not come to the United States
until James applied for Angel's visa.
I don't think it was fair.
Uh, it's, you know, it's an open up to six months.
- Wow. - Pfft.
Don't leave it open ended, that's...
Well, I can put whatever I want on there.
Do, like, one day.
There's somebody negative like this coming in,
that's a cancer on any relationship,
I you don't see how any relationship can last.
- You're preaching to the choir over here. - Mmm-hmm.
As soon as she's here,
every day is gonna be, "How can I save my marriage?"
Right.
I'm happy with James.
She's happy being with me, which I love to hear.
But then she tells me that she's not happy where we are.
And you know, my whole goal is to make her happy.
That's what makes me happy.
I could be in the worst situation.
If she's smiling, I am happy.
Mmm.
And it's just one of those things where
we're in a position where there's nothing I can do.
Because we'd reached a point where
we were not gonna be able to take care of ourselves anymore.
I was not gonna be able to take care of her,
provide for her, put a roof over her head.
Without a work visa, I couldn't get a job-job.
So, it was either, "Okay, so I can stay here
and have her lose faith in me here,
or I can go back and at least do my damn best
to get everything back together,
try to do this again the right way."
Well, we can definitely see
how hard these decisions have been on you.
James and Tatha, let's pause here
and give you a break from this conversation,
and we'll circle back to you later.
Angel,
we appreciate you joining us today.
Take care.
Thank you.
All right, we're going to take a quick break.
When we come back,
it'll be Corona and Ingi's turn.
Are you okay?
Can I get a tissue to blow my nose?
Sorry.
Thank you.
She, she hates my guts.
She hates that we--
Not often do you have, like, a breakup,
and then you're forced to, like,
rewatch your relationship and then have to face your ex.
Quite honestly, like, I don't want any updates from Ingi.
Like, I don't care what's new in his life.
I'd like to just move the [bleep] on.
I have some questions for Ingi.
And he's laughing
- like the piece of that he is. - 100%.
Definitely not a good look for you, man.
You're a piece of [bleep].
What?
I've been better, man. I've been better.
Yeah.
Appreciate it, the European support, we stick together.
I mean, I didn't even walk-- wanna walk on the set.
I saw him on the camera and I was like,
"I'm done. I want to turn around."
Oh, [bleep].
Yeah.
Bye.
I just don't wanna be there. That's an uncomfortable, like,
no one wants to, like,
sit there in front of your ex who broke your heart.
I can do this all on my own.
No, no.
I mean...
Okay.
We are ready.
Five, four, three, two.
All right, we are going to move on to Corona and Ingi.
I don't wanna do this.
- Mmm. - Now, Ingi,
you got some heat right off the bat
over your breakup with Corona.
So, I wanna give you a second to say your piece.
How did we get to this point?
Thank you.
Uh, so, yeah, uh,
like, when we were in Iceland,
everything was, you know, just awesome.
Like, uh...
And people...
You know, I think that, you know,
I didn't love her and, like, that's just so [bleep] unfair.
It's basically like when I went to the States to visit her.
Just by arriving at the airport, uh,
like, this completely other person just greeted me.
Like, I, I did not see the,
the loving, fun, caring, uh, person that I fell in love with.
When we were together, like...
Why, uh, like, uh...
I've wrapped my mind around that many times
and, you know, nothing,
nothing good has ever come from that, uh...
You know, I suggested couples--
couple therapy, uh,
she, she said that I was the only one that needed therapy,
or couple's therapy, so.
After we had that conversation, I...
Yeah, I, I just left and, and left for good.
And people don't realize, like, how difficult it is
to have, uh, like, been in love
and, uh, seeing a, a future with someone
and having it taken away from you.
Like, we were planning on getting a K-1 visa.
And, yeah.
And I had to break up with Corona.
And, uh, it was probably the most difficult thing that I ever did
do, do in my life.
And like that, I'm out of here.
Son of a... What a weak bitch.
That's some weak [bleep].
What the [bleep]?
I'm shocked.
Now that has never happened before.
Next time on 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way,
the couples Tell All.
Yes. Not from someone you slept with.
We, we didn't this.
I didn't think I would have to say that.
It can't be a therapist that you [bleep], Sarper.
Tatha accused James of cheating.
We don't regret what we did.
You know, people elope all the time.
Like, how do you do that to me?
How do you hurt me like that?
I would never treat my daughter
the way that you treat your daughter.
- You're shoving your opinions down her throat. - No, I'm not.
No, you're judging me.
You have a big mouth.
I said you need to shut it and let it be.
Is there any chance we're getting Ingi back?
I hope not.
What a punk ass bitch.
He says his part and then leaves.
So, he holds no accountability.
We wanna hear his side.
You're way nicer to him than he [bleep] deserves.
You said it first that you did not believe
this marriage would last.
How do you feel today?