[Shaun] Previously on 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way,
The Couples Tell All...
Josh, how long has it been since you and your wife have been intimate?
It's been a long time.
[speaking Mandarin]
[in English] In total, you guys have slept together five times?
It hurts my soul to hear that.
I just don't have that desire to make love.
Keep that in mind.
[Shaun] Okay, Angel, what kinds of things
would you like to know about James?
"Nothing." She's not interested.
I can't stand her.
And I have to prepare for her to be here.
You are going to pay for her visa?
It's already in process.
[Shaun] Wow.
It's going to be a war zone in your home.
Did he tell you that he had a girlfriend?
Yes.
But he said she's possessive and unpredictable.
What?
I think it does seem a little bit toxic.
I'm gonna go.
Just let me know when she's off the screen.
I don't want to keep living moments like this over and over.
[Sarper speaking]
People don't realize, like, how difficult it is
to have been in love and having it taken away from you.
And like that, I'm out of here.
[Shekinah gasps]
That's some weak [bleep].
Now, that has never happened before.
Okay. That was a surprise.
Wow.
So, he can say his piece, and he doesn't want to listen to me.
What a punk-ass bitch!
He says his part and then leaves,
so he holds no accountability because he's a weak-ass bitch.
And everything on that screen is a mother [bleep] lie.
[Shaun] Okay.
Uh, Sarper, I understand you've been in contact with Ingi.
You two were talking earlier?
[Sarper speaking]
Did he give you any insight into what he wanted to say?
[Sarper speaking]
[Sarper sighs]
[Shaun] You want to try to call him?
-Call him, babe. -[Shaun] Yeah, sure.
Go.
Maybe he'll listen to you.
[Josh] I think he was probably afraid of just being tag teamed and--
[Corona] You took it.
-We all know we're going to be in the volcano at some point. -[Corona] Yeah.
[speaking Icelandic]
[line ringing]
[Ingi speaking in English on phone]
[Sarper speaking]
[Ingi speaking]
-[Sarper speaking] -[Ingi speaking]
Say, "Be a man."
[Ingi speaking]
[Sarper speaking]
[Ingi] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[Ingi speaking]
[Shekinah] None of us were.
Yeah. Because it's been easy for anyone on this [bleep] stage?
Has anyone had an easy time?
[Ingi speaking]
We all understand that for sure, man.
We do understand.
[Ingi speaking]
[Sarper speaking]
Just hang up. That's all you're going to get.
-He's checked out. -[Sarper speaking]
-That's so unattractive. -[Ingi speaking]
-He's not a real man. -[Ingi speaking]
We don't admire you.
-Weak [bleep]. -[Ingi speaking]
-Okay. -[Ingi speaking]
I'm glad he can talk it out with Sarper but not me.
-That's great. -[Sarper] Give me a talk.
-Okay? -[Corona] That's great.
[Sarper speaking]
-[Ingi speaking] -Bye.
You're way nicer to him than he [bleep] deserves.
[Joanne] Wow.
But no one kicked him off the set, you know.
He chose to do this.
He could have stayed and said his side.
[Shaun] Okay.
Corona, um, let's get the timeline together.
So you were in Iceland.
At what point did you decide to come back to the States?
I think it was definitely weighing on my mind
after I had the conversation at the midwifery school in Iceland.
Yes.
Because I knew the textbooks are in English,
so I assumed the lectures would also be in English.
But that turns out to be not the case.
So I'm thinking like, okay, maybe I have to go back.
So you decided to come back.
And were there any plans at the time to have Ingi come with you?
I filed a K-1 visa for me and Ingi,
and he seemed really excited.
I would really much so like to talk on that. Yes.
When he says the vibe was off,
I had, like, so much stuff going on in my life
that I literally was, like, barely hanging on by a thread.
And instead of, like, not even, like, helping me,
but instead, like, being able to take care of himself,
he just couldn't [bleep] do it.
And then he said, "Oh, well, now I don't have any confidence
because you're not, like, all obsessed with me anymore."
It's like, I don't have time to be obsessed with you right now
because I've got all this other [bleep] going on.
He just got up and walked away.
We were having a conversation on a park bench.
I mentioned, I was like, "Okay, maybe, like, we need individual therapy"
because I do therapy on my own.
But after, like, that, he was like, "Pfft. Okay."
And he literally just walked, got up, sulked off.
I never saw or heard from him again in my [bleep] life.
Oh, whoa. Really?
Yes.
Didn't answer any of my texts, didn't answer--
Like, literally, just walked the [bleep] out of my life.
And I literally thought we were about to get married.
Okay, so you were on the park bench,
he gets up and leaves.
And where does he go?
Who knows? I never saw him again until just now.
Wow.
He's a piece of [bleep].
Now, did anything lead up to that?
No. Like, I wish there was some, like, big moment
where I could be like, "Yup, I popped off on him.
It was too much, and he left."
Like, that would be-- That just was not the case.
From what I saw, it really, really felt like you guys
-were always on a vacation when you were together. -Yeah.
[James] And then he realized, "Oh, she's actually got stuff to do.
She can't give me all of her time, all of her attention."
He's got a lot of maturing to do, a lot of growing to do.
And he met a real adult woman,
and he did not know how to handle it.
Yeah, he couldn't handle it.
[James] He couldn't handle it.
You are-- You are who you are. You know who you are.
-He's still looking. -Yeah.
[Shekinah] What's going on, babe?
You're--
All right. The producer is telling me in my ear that Ingi is not coming back.
Wow.
But his friend was actually there with him the whole time.
And he wants to jump in here to support him.
Please welcome Gummi.
Hi, Gummi, this is Shaun. How are you?
Well, uh, we're all here, kind of, [stutters] in shock.
Uh, we were hoping to hear Ingi's side of the story
about why this relationship with Corona went south.
Is Ingi in the room with you now?
No. He left the room.
[Shaun] Okay. He left the room.
Okay. So what happened?
[Sarper speaking]
-That's the thing. -[Shekinah] That's what.
The--
-No. -[Sarper] Don't take it--
Don't all get offended, but...
-That's not true. -[Sarper speaking]
That's not true.
[Corona] I mean, you're just making assumptions.
[Sarper speaking]
I never yelled at him. No.
No, not one [bleep] time.
Gummi, did Ingi say that Corona
actually yelled at him at any time?
No, he didn't.
Because I didn't.
Okay. So if it wasn't an issue with her anger, what was it?
I mean, it's like he's been saying here.
It's the perception that she was not the same person,
and I can't really speak to what that exactly means.
[Corona] How can you be the exact same?
How can you be the same person?
I'm a human being. I have highs and lows.
You have to see it from his perspective, though.
I wish I could see from his perspective, Gummi. He left.
[razzes] Ha!
No, that's bull [bleep].
He did not get hoodwinked.
If anything, I got hoodwinked.
How does that speak volumes?
We're all sitting on this stage.
We've all been going through things.
What?
He was corny. He didn't--
He didn't seem like he loved Corona the same way.
It was like, [in gruff voice] "Okay. "
[Fannie] He was just a wuss.
Shekinah, you're a mom yourself.
And yet, you were going to go move to Turkey and leave your daughter behind.
Oh, wow.
I mean, I don't understand.
If you're gonna play that card...
What?
No, that's not true.
[James] If you love someone, you don't run away.
It's your job to put yourself to the side, put them in front.
[Joanne] I agree.
It doesn't feel good. It feels like he doesn't respect you.
It sucks.
[Shaun] All right.
Well, three of Corona's family members
were watching backstage when Ingi walked away.
Let's bring them on right now to hear what they have to say.
Please welcome Corona's mom, Tonya,
her grandmother, Fannie, and her sister, Quentessia.
Welcome, ladies.
Well, um, you were watching monitors backstage.
Were you ladies as surprised as we were
when Ingi read his statement and then walked off?
No, I'm really not surprised.
I feel like he didn't take the relationship serious.
I don't think he really put in a lot of effort.
He was corny. He didn't--
He didn't seem like he loved Corona the same way.
It was like, [in gruff voice] "Okay."
[in normal voice] Yeah, he was, kind of, like, going with the flow.
[Tonya] I just never liked him.
-I never liked him. -[Shaun] Why not?
He didn't try to like her.
He didn't try to contact us or her.
This is her mother.
Yeah. I will say he didn't really make as much of an effort
to get to know my family as I did to his.
[Shaun] Corona, you told us how Ingi just left you on a park bench one day.
What do you think the reason is?
I think he just didn't want to, like, own up to it
and didn't wanna have a conversation about it.
I think most importantly is why he leaves
and why he left here now, because he is weak.
[Shaun] Does anyone here have any thoughts on why that happened?
I-- I don't know.
I can't-- I don't know his insight.
You've got too many. "I don't knows."
So I don't even know why you're there.
[Corona] He's only there because Ingi walked off
because he's so weak, and left.
For him to read his statement and walk off.
Maybe he's just not sure about a lot of things
since this is his first real relationship.
I need to ask him, "What planet you live on?"
I wish he was here so you could.
-I wish he was here, too. -[Sarper speaking]
[Tonya] You're almost 40,
and you never brought home a girl?
That says a lot.
To me, he's not datable.
[Fannie] He was just a wuss.
And I felt like he was using my daughter for--
I'm just gonna put it out there.
He was using her for her money.
He had my daughter buying plane tickets for him.
She paid for the visa.
She paid-- She was gonna pay for him to live over here.
I don't like that. I just think he was a user.
A freeloader.
Apparently, he claims to have paid for a lot of things,
and you claim to have paid for a lot of things.
But I can say with 100% certainty that he loved her.
I don't think so.
That's a mom right there.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, since Ingi is not going to come back,
the only thing that we can do is move on.
So, ladies, thank you very much.
We can see how much you love Corona.
Uh, Gummi, we appreciate you taking the time to speak with us today.
Sorry you were in the hot seat, Gummi.
Thank you, Gummi.
-Yeah. Bye-bye. -[Corona] Bless, bless.
Give it up for these sexy ladies.
Yes.
Okay. Well, Corona, you didn't get the closure that you wanted.
I had a feeling I wasn't going to.
[James] That was some pretty solid closure right there.
-She knows... -[Shaun] Well, yeah.
..."I was with the wrong person. He's a coward.
Now I'm-- Now I'm stronger for it."
-[Sarper speaking] -Go ahead, Sarper.
[Sarper speaking]
[Shekinah] Mm.
And with that, we're gonna take a break.
All right. Thanks, guys.
[exhales deeply] God, that was a lot.
-He's a coward. -[Shekinah speaking]
If you would have asked me, like, six months ago,
I mean, I thought this was gonna be my husband, you know.
That [bleep] sucks.
So, like, [bleep] this dude.
I was not expecting to literally get no closure from the end of this.
-It's just a matter of now you healing from within. -Yeah.
Honest opinion, it was almost as if
when you guys filled out that K-1, and he got to the US,
-reality hit him. -Yeah.
-[Sarper] Exactly. -And he bugged, and he was like, "Bye."
-Bolt. Yeah. -[Sarper speaking]
[Corona] Yeah.
No, he let his friend fight for him.
Exactly. That sucks, you know.
I just wanted to understand Ingi.
-But the way he couldn't defend himself sucks. -[Corona] Yeah.
[Sarper speaking]
[Joanne] I always tell people
the universe is always on time,
so it's not the right person, wrong time,
-it's just the wrong person. -That's true.
Yeah.
That's true. Yeah.
-I'll be wiser next time. -[Joanne] Yeah.
[producer] Let's get back to our seats.
-Let's go sit down. -[producer] All right, guys. Here we go. Rolling!
[Shaun] All right.
[producer] All right, guys. Quiet, please.
Here we go.
-Let's go on then. -[producer] Four, three, two.
[Shaun] Let's move on now to Joanne and Sean.
After Joanne and Sean kept their marriage a secret for two years,
they finally revealed the big news to their families.
But when her children raised concerns,
the future of this couple became unclear.
Sean and Joanne, let's get right into it.
-All right. -[Shaun] First of all,
Sean, it's really surprising to have you with us.
How are you even here?
[Shaun] That's--
That's really exciting.
What paperwork was this?
-It's a Green Card. -Green Card. He's a resident of the United States now.
-[Shaun] Congratulations. -Wow.
-Yay! -[Shekinah] Congrats.
[Sarper] Congrats.
Now, why did you choose to do that?
Well, Joanne was doing all the flying back and forward to me.
I couldn't get into America because I was banned
because I overstayed the visa before.
Which turns out, I wasn't even banned when I went to the embassy.
-A man told me that they actually made a mistake... -What?
-...and that I shouldn't have been banned. -[Shekinah gasps]
So you thought you were banned.
-How long ago was this? -Oh, my God.
Two and a half years ago.
Wow.
So now the plan is
you've got your green card.
What does that mean?
Are you here permanently?
[sighs]
Does your daughter know you're here?
[Jo] Well, but why?
[Shaun] So you're still keeping a secret
from your children?
[Jo] Yeah.
She's going to find out now.
So how long are you here
in America right now?
[chuckles]
[Shaun laughing]
You guys are like allergic to planning.
-I love it. -We are.
Hopefully it's a quick turnaround.
Hopefully I'm back over with Bella real soon, so.
Well, Joanne's mom, Donna, was shocked
when she found out about her son-in-law, Sean.
And she had some hard-hitting questions for him.
Did she approve of his answers?
And does she approve of him now?
That is what we are going to find out.
So please welcome Joanne's mom, Donna.
Yes!
-I'm so excited. -Hi.
-[Shaun] Hi, Donna. -[Corona] Hi, Donna.
[Donna] Hi, everybody.
-Hello, Donna. -[Meitalia] Hi.
How are you?
I am doing well.
[Shaun] Is this the first time
that you have seen Sean
-since he came to America? - [Donna] No.
Actually, I saw--
I met Sean for a quick hot minute.
I think they were with us two and a half days.
That's not a lot.
[Shaun] And so what were your first impressions of him?
He's a handsome man. After meeting him...
[Sean] Oh.
[all laughing]
[Donna] I liked him.
I liked him.
And I don't blame him for anything
that Joanne kept from me.
I always thought we had a very close relationship,
and I was very hurt by Joanne.
She never kept secrets from me that I know of.
So this hurt me a lot.
And I don't blame Sean
because I think that...
I think Sean wanted me to know.
I believe he did say that to me.
You told Donna that it wasn't you.
You told Donna that it was Joanne--
[Shaun] You don't-- Is Donna mistaken?
[Donna] It was basically Sean
that Joanne asked you not to say anything.
She wouldn't even tell me anything about you.
I knew nothing about you.
I didn't know your last name, where you lived.
I mean, God, you could have took her
and sold her, for God's sakes.
-Oh, here she goes. -[Donna] I didn't know anything.
We're selling people again.
Listen, turns out he's a really nice guy.
I'm happy.
But it doesn't take away
the hurt you gave me, Joanne. I'm sorry.
-Okay. -I mean, I tell you everything.
-I tell you everything. -Oh, I know.
Oh, I know.
Yeah, I know you know.
You know, what could I say?
Are you even going to have a wedding?
[Donna speaking]
With you, ma. We're going to come live with you
so I can listen to this every day
for the rest of [chuckling] my life.
[Donna] You're not going to have to listen to it
for the rest of your life 'cause you know what?
Now I know where I stand with you.
Okay, fair enough.
I can see why you kept it from her, kind of.
Because she's a lot.
Like, if this was my mom,
I probably would want to keep some things from her, too.
[Donna] Shekinah,
you don't know my relationship with my daughter
for you to say that, A.
B, you're a mom yourself,
and yet you are going to go move to Turkiye
and leave your daughter behind?
[tense music playing]
Oh, wow.
I mean, I don't understand that.
If you're going to play that card...
There's no way in hell I would let her talk to my mom like that.
She just came for me about my mothering.
After a comment you made
that had already made her upset...
-Saying that she's a bit much? -...by saying that she's a bit much.
She's a bit much!
Thank you, Corona.
-[Shekinah] Oh. - [Donna] Thank you.
If you're going to play that card,
what I have to say to you is
I would never treat my daughter
the way that you treat your daughter.
-You're overly opinionated. -How do I treat my daughter?
-And you're shoving your opinions... -[Donna] No, I'm not.
-...down her throat... -No, I'm not.
[Shekinah] ...acting like she's entitled to tell you everything
when you actually have to earn that as a parent.
-It seems like you think... -I-- No, no, no.
...you're a lot closer than she does.
I don't have to earn anything.
I, as a parent, do not have to earn anything.
You have to earn the respect of your child.
Your children are to respect you.
And I'm not saying anything against you.
I don't know you.
-You just did. -[Donna speaking]
No, you just said a mouthful against me.
You have a big mouth.
[Shekinah] And you're-- No.
You're talking too much.
You're talking too much, and that's a problem.
And you talk too much. You know what?
-Okay. Okay -You're saying a bit much now. Okay?
I think you need to shut it and let it be.
[Corona] There's no way in hell I would let her talk to my mom like that.
My mom's a bit much, too, but--
She just came for me about my mothering.
After a comment you made
that had already made her upset...
-Saying that she's a bit much? -...by saying that she's a bit much.
She's a bit much!
We're all a bit much, so like...
Thank you, Corona.
-[Shekinah] Oh. - [Donna] Thank you.
Yeah, you guys can be friends. [chuckles]
I mean, it's two mothers getting protective
over their daughters,
the same way I would over my daughter, so.
But what is she protecting you from?
This isn't a protecting thing.
This is more of a, like,
"You should tell me everything
'cause I'm your mother" thing,
which is, like, so off-putting
because it's, like,
if you built that relationship,
then you're going to go to her with that information.
But it doesn't seem like
that's the relationship that you guys have.
But it seems like that's the relationship Donna thought they had.
-She said that she was telling them everything. -[Shekinah] She thought.
She wants, she thinks.
It seems one-sided.
That's not true, Shekinah. That's not true.
Do you have a relationship with your mom?
I'm just saying what I'm seeing.
I'm not saying that that's true.
I'm saying that's what I'm getting
from this situation.
So Shekinah, why do you think
Joanne did not tell her mother
that she got married?
Probably because she didn't want
to deal with all this,
like all the opinions and all of the, you know.
With overly opinionated mothers,
and I can say this because I have one,
it makes you want to keep things from them.
You're telling me I'm an opinionated person.
-[Shekinah] You're an opinionated person. -You know nothing about me.
Why can't anyone else have an opinion?
You can have an opinion,
but you don't even know me.
You're judging me. You're not--
You're not having an opinion.
You're judging me.
I guess so none of us can, like, comment
'cause we don't know her personally.
I want everybody just to halt for just a second.
And I want to give Joanne
-a chance to speak. -[Corona] Mm-hmm.
I-- I... [chuckles]
It was something, again,
and I will say it until I'm blue in the face,
something that Sean and I wanted
to do for us.
I'm gonna agree with Shekinah about other people's opinions.
Like, if I would have said to anyone in the family,
"Hey, Sean and I are getting married",
they would all go, "What? What are you doing?
What are you crazy? What are you doing?"
[mumbles gibberish]
I don't want to hear that.
I knew
I wanted to marry him.
I knew he wanted to marry me.
I knew who we were as a couple,
who we still are.
And so that was the reason I didn't tell my mother.
However, it is not because her and I are not close.
So I will straighten that.
Like, her and I are close.
Yes, we do tell each other everything.
Um, but for this particular...
[chuckling] situation-- I don't even know.
Like, it should be a celebration.
It shouldn't even be a situation.
[Shekinah] Joanne, I didn't mean
to come for your mom.
I'm sorry.
It's just triggering,
'cause my mom is very similar.
And...
she also would like--
she hits below the belt, too, when she gets challenged.
And it's just...
too close to home.
[Shaun] Well, Joanne and Sean were nervous
to finally break the news of their marriage
to their families.
But they knew that the time had come.
Let's look back
at how those conversations went.
[Jo's aunt] Okay, we're seated.
I can't wait to see what's next.
[Donna] Where are we going?
Uh, well,
we'll be-- um, well, we're married.
[tense music playing]
You knew this?
No.
-No. -No. No. No. No. No!
When did you get married?
Um, almost...
two years ago.
How do you not even tell your mother you're married?
-[Jo] Because I-- -I'm your mother!
-[Jo] I understand. -This is your aunt!
First of all...
-[Jo's aunt] No. -...people elope all the time.
-So-- -[Jo's aunt] But they come back and tell people.
They come back and say,
"Hey, by the way, guess what?
We decided to get married."
You didn't do that.
[Jo] Well,
now that we are all here together,
we, uh, [chuckles] have some news
to share with you guys.
-[Jesse] Is it bad or good news? -Slow your roll, kid.
-Um, it's good news. -[Bella] What?
We love good news.
[chuckles]
[Jo and Sean] So...
Uh, [sighs] you want me to tell them
or you want to tell them?
[Joey] Spit it out.
Okay, so we did a little thing...
about [chuckling] almost two years ago.
Um...
we're married.
[tense music playing]
No, you're not.
[Jo's friend] Bella's my favorite.
[Joey] Are you guys joking?
For two years?
You're married already?
-Yeah. -They're not married.
Like you're married and...
-You're married? You're legally married? -They're not married.
We're not stupid.
-We are. -I like Jesse's reaction.
-He's just eating cake. -[Jo chuckles]
-[Jo's friend] I mean, like, congratulations... -[Bella] No, you're not.
[Jo's friend] ...but, like,
-what the... -[Jo chuckles]
-Yeah, like, yeah. -Sorry.
What the actual...
[Bella blows raspberry]
-Maybe she needs a minute. -Yeah.
You want to go on a walk?
-[Bella] No. -[Sean] Okay.
-[Jo] All right. -That's news.
[tense music playing]
Wow.
They're so cute.
Thank you.
[Jo] My sons, just seeing them,
that brings out emotion in me.
My mother's reaction,
the way she did it, that is her.
I would not have expected
any [chuckling] other reaction.
-Yes. -But seeing the confusion on Jesse's face,
how shocked Joey was,
how shocked Bella was,
like, it was just like,
those were the three people that,
if we told anybody,
it should have been them.
Your children. Yeah.
You would have done it differently?
I think I would have said,
"Hey, let's at least tell the [chuckling] kids."
-[Sean] Yeah, we would change waiting so long. - [Jo] Yeah.
[Shaun] So you wouldn't have told the kids
you were going to get married.
You only would have told them afterwards, but sooner?
I definitely would have told them sooner.
But not before?
Eh.
-No, not before, no. -Not really.
[Jo] No, I can't say...
Like, we don't regret what we did, you know?
People elope all the time.
But like my aunt said,
[imitating aunt] "They come home and they tell people."
[Shaun] Donna, you just heard
your daughter explain once again
why she did not tell you.
You know, is it an explanation that you accept?
Does it make you feel any better?
[Donna] Here's the thing.
I just wanted a chance to celebrate her and Sean
and be happy for them.
I have been through hell and high water
with Joanne.
Yeah, maybe she had to hear my opinion,
but I never, ever, ever stopped her,
Joanne, correct me if I'm wrong,
from doing whatever you wanted to do.
I would have liked to have been
a part of that two years ago
and congratulated you then
and wished the both of you well.
I wouldn't have been against it.
-You wouldn't have been against it? -But I would have accepted it.
Oh, my God.
No, you would not.
-I would too. -[Jo] Okay.
You've done a lot of things in your life
that I've accepted, and you know that.
It's over with. We all know now.
Now could we move on to a celebration?
Well, speaking of celebration,
are there any plans for a big celebration
so that the larger family can be a part of it?
-Yeah. -Yes.
When it comes to the celebration,
I...
don't want to get married here in the States.
You know, they're going to see us get married.
They're going to come there.
They're going to come to Ireland.
And whoever doesn't want to get on a plane...
I'm getting on the plane.
Oh, oh, okay.
Now, Donna, would you want to be involved
in the wedding planning,
as mothers oftentimes are?
If she wants me to, that's up to her.
This is going to be her wedding,
her wedding day. And...
whatever she wants, I'm with her.
I'm getting married in a castle.
She wants a raven sitting beside us and like--
Hell yeah.
I love that.
[Jo] Like, I want to do it my way.
Like, what the hell?
-Well, not my way, like-- -No, I love it.
-You know what I mean. Like... -I love it.
But my way.
[Donna] And no matter what,
I will be there because your father is
waiting to come.
I know he is.
And your father knows...
[Sean clears throat]
[Shaun] ...that his daughter is married, right?
Go ahead, answer that one, Jo.
[tense music playing]
Sarper said there were only maybe two
or three text messages,
and there were actually a lot more.
Let's take a look at one particular exchange
that DeeDee had on her phone from Sarper
that no one has seen yet.
Oh, my God.
Let's see it.
[bleep] boy.
[tense music playing]
Donna, your husband does not know
his daughter is married?
That's correct.
Still?
Yes.
-[Sean] Tell them why. -[Jo] I'm gonna tell you why, though.
Okay?
My father, unlike my mother,
who's...
[exclaims]
...my father would totally have taken it,
internalized it,
and got really...
[sighs]
[Shekinah coos sympathetically]
You're his baby.
That's what it comes down to.
[exhales]
Are you worried he's going to find out
some other way now?
[choked up] I'm going to tell him.
I'm going to tell him,
but I feel like that's something that
is going to have to be a him-and-I moment.
That's not something that I'm willing...
Listen, I know her personality.
We'll get past it.
Um...
With him,
he is a Christian man,
and he will...
pray on [chuckling] it if he feels that he needs to,
whatever his process is.
But I have to give him that respect in that moment.
Like, I have to have that talk with him.
Donna, where is he right now?
He's in the other room with the dogs.
She looked around the corner. I thought he was right there.
[Shaun] So Donna,
you are sort of complicit
in keeping this secret, right?
Oh, no. That's not for me to tell him.
Think it'll hurt him more to now know, like,
everyone knew before him.
Oh, yeah. 100%.
And that's why I think
I have to, like, gear myself up
for that conversation.
So it's easier to tell your mom
'cause you thought maybe she'll just get angry,
but your dad, you thought you might break his heart.
Yeah. 100%.
[choked up] I'm not saying that I didn't think
she would be hurt by it.
-Yeah. -[Jo] But it's a different--
-It's a different kind of hurt. -[Corona] For sure.
We have a different relationship.
[Corona] 100%.
[Shaun] So Donna,
we can tell that you love your daughter very much
-and your new son-in-law. - [Donna] I do.
Yes, I do.
We appreciate you being here. Take care.
Good luck to everybody.
Thank you.
Bye, Donna.
[all] Bye.
Bye.
[Shaun] Joanne and Sean,
we hope that you enjoy
having your big, happy family all together
-here in the States. -Thank you.
-[Jo and Sean] Thank you. -[Shaun] We wish you the best.
And no more keeping secrets.
-[Sean chuckles] -No, we'll try.
Okay, a little break, guys.
Well, that's Donna.
She never has a filter.
There's no filter.
It's broken.
She was nice to Sean.
She put all the blame on me.
That's typical. And I took it.
So I was like, "Yeah, all right, cool".
[laughing] "Let's move forward".
Oh, man.
I didn't know what to expect there...
-I thought it was going to be a lot rougher, to be honest. -[Jo and Corona] Yeah.
[James] We see where your strength comes from.
-Your mother is a very strong woman. -[Corona] Yeah.
[ladies laugh]
-[Corona] Yeah, she is. -[all agreeing]
[Jo] She means well.
[Corona] She cares about you.
It's just...
sometimes the delivery...
Her tongue has no bones.
-[Jo] Nothing. -We have a Turkiye saying that...
Nothing. No bones.
-[Corona] The Turkiye saying. -There are so many Turkish sayings.
[Corona] I seriously want a book of Turkiye sayings...
-[Sean] Yeah, me too. -[Corona] ...because they are [bleep] wild.
Oh, no, there's the butter stick.
[Jo] There's the butter stick.
[Corona] I think even the texture of that
would send me.
Like, just biting, like...
[scoffs]
Oh, God.
[Shekinah] We're on a high-protein,
no-carb, no-sugar diet,
-so... -[Corona] Mm-hmm.
-[Corona] So it hits the spot? -...it's just what we're used to.
[Sarper speaking]
[Corona laughing] What happens?
[Shekinah] I mean, he instantly gets [bleep]
from eating butter.
-[Corona] Really? -[Sarper] Yeah.
[Corona] You're saying butter makes you horny?
-Yeah. Everything. -Everything makes him horny. [laughing]
-[Corona laughing] Yeah. -[James] To be fair, that's...
[laughing] I have the same problem.
Do you want a stick of butter?
Oh, my goodness.
[James] Eat the udder butter.
You eat the butter!
-You eat the butter. -[Corona shrieking] You eat the butter!
Put the butter in your mouth!
[Shekinah speaking]
I'll try one bite. F it.
-Is it cold at least? -[Shekinah] Yeah.
[Corona] All right. At least it's cold.
-[Corona] I'm not tempted. -[Shekinah] James.
[James] I'll just try the back end of hers when she's done.
Have your own stick.
[James] Oh. Oh.
You're so sweet.
[James] Okay.
[Shekinah] Mm-hmm.
[Sarper speaking]
[bleep] Okay. Hold on.
All right. If you're going to do it, you might as well
just commit to it.
[Corona] That's a big bite!
It's actually not bad. It's like...
butter ice cream.
[Corona] You ate, like, a quarter stick.
How do you feel?
Good luck tonight.
-[all laughing] -[indistinct chatter]
[chuckles]
[woman chuckles]
Commit.
[woman chuckling]
Come on. It's not bad.
No, that's gonna be a no for me.
But I'm glad I tried.
[woman] Okay.
Come, hold me.
[indistinct chatter]
I wanna go back now to Shekinah and Sarper.
So one of the things that we discussed, Shekinah,
after you walked off,
was the fact that there were a lot more exchanges
between Sarper and DeeDee
after they shared that one night together.
Sarper said there were only maybe two or three text messages,
and there were actually a lot more.
Let's take a look at one particular exchange
that DD had on her phone from Sarper,
that no one has seen yet.
Oh, my God.
[Shekinah reading]
-[James] Wow. -[Corona] Ooh.
[bleep] boy.
But what's the date on that? How long?
Before Shekinah.
I mean, I was taking this photo,
-sending to every girls-- -I know.
-[chuckling] -I mean, he had no standards back then.
He's in shape, though, I gotta say.
[chuckling] I'm sorry.
Sarper, did you use a filter
-on that photo? -No.
-He doesn't know how to use filters. -No.
-[Shaun] No, that was all you? -Yeah.
-You still look like that? -Yeah.
Let's see it.
I don't know if I want him getting undressed.
Like, let's keep his clothes on, please.
Yeah!
-[laughs] -Oh, it's what she wants now?
-And I'm like sitting here... -[all chuckling]
Well, let's see who he prioritizes in this moment.
Let's have a show!
[all chuckling]
He had me dissolve all my fillers.
So your face now is filler-less?
-Correct, except for my lips. -[laughing] I'm sorry. I...
But, like, maybe it is.
I'm already very triggered. Like, let's keep his clothes on, please.
I mean, it's literally just two buttons away
-from that shirt being off. -[all chuckling]
If you take it off, I'm taking my dress off.
Okay, then, definitely take it off.
-[James] Go, go, go, go! -[all chuckling]
Shekinah, are you being a little possessive in this moment?
Yeah. I mean, I feel like, he was just exposed...
-[chuckling] -[Shekinah] ...on the screen,
and it's in another woman's text messages.
It's like, I'm sure more than 2,500 people are watching,
-so no, let's not give them a show. -[chuckles]
Shekinah, how soon after you and Sarper met,
did he send you a sexy photo?
Um, the very same night...
[chuckling]
...on my way home. I didn't even get home yet.
[chuckling]
"Here's a gift,
-and thanks." -A parting gift.
Is that what the photo is?
A "thank you for a good night"?
[Sarper speaking]
So multiple women got that photo?
What made you have that disconnect from sex and love?
[chuckles softly]
But then your dad also gave you, like,
crazy advice during that situation.
He was like, "You can never trust any woman,"
-and I think Sarper took that... -He told you that at 13?
-[Shekinah] ...to the heart. -Yeah.
Wow.
[Sarper speaking]
Are you sure?
[Shekinah] Starting when? Like, last week?
[Shekinah] When? When did that start?
[Shaun] Okay, one more thing to clear up
with Shekinah back on stage...
We heard earlier that you got in touch with DD
last November,
after you were with Shekinah.
You were asking DD if she was in Turkey.
Why did you ask that question?
[Sarper speaking]
[Corona] You wanted it to be someone that you slept with?
-How does she know you better from everyone? -[all laughing]
-[James] You did not just say that. -[laughing]
Is she a therapist that you slept with?
Or... I don't understand what's going on.
[Corona] That just so happens to be a therapist.
Yes, not from someone you slept with.
We didn't talk...
I didn't think I would have to say that.
It can't be a therapist that you [bleep], Sarper.
What the heck?
I'm just confused.
-[chuckling] -I don't know what's going on. What?
I'm speechless.
There was an incident where Meitalia accused James of cheating.
As a married man, my eyes were wandering.
[gasping] What?
A couple of days ago?
Is that true?
How would you feel if I called a guy
that I previously slept with and said,
"Can you come and give relationship advice
to me and my boyfriend?"
How would you feel...
knowing I'd slept with that person who's giving you advice?
I would feel so disrespectful.
I will make you imagine that because you should.
-You imagine me doing it. -Mmm-mmm.
[Shaun] Okay, let's move on.
I wanna talk about another topic...
-your nose, Shekinah. -Oh.
You look absolutely beautiful.
I'm sorry?
[chuckles softly]
What a weird thing to say.
[James] Way to go, Michelangelo.
What did you think wasn't working about her nose, Sarper?
Mmm-hmm.
[Shekinah] So at first, he was very against me having the surgery,
but I... I was gonna do it
regardless of what he thought
because it's my body, at the end of the day,
and I'd already had two surgeries... on my nose,
and he's like, "Well, whatever you're doing isn't working,
so let me intervene.
I'm gonna help with this one,
so it can be your last nose surgery."
So he... "designed" my nose.
I mean, I like... to her face,
it's smaller. I like...
I mean, it's not like... so...
In Turkey, a lot of the noses were little Barbie noses,
-up-turned, super tiny. -[Sarper] Like this.
[Shekinah] And he didn't want that to be my result, so...
I think that's one of the reasons
why he intervened.
He wanted it more natural.
I think that's amazing 'cause most people who get plastic surgery
-don't ask for the other person's input. -[Shekinah] Yeah.
And, of course, he was excited to help.
[all chuckling]
I mean, it looks good.
-You did a good job. -[James] You obviously like it, right?
-I like it. Yes. -[Joanne] You could design noses
while you're here in the United States.
[all chuckling]
Is there anything else you would like Shekinah to do?
[Sarper speaking]
-[Shaun] Perfect? -Yeah.
-[chuckling] -[Shaun] The way she is?
-Oh, [scoffs] -[James] Oh!
[Sarper continues]
He had me dissolve all my fillers.
And that was... I mean, everything
-he's told me to do-- -So your face now is filler-less?
Correct, except for my lips.
But everything he's told me to do
has worked in my favor, I think,
and has made me look and feel more confident and beautiful,
so I trust him.
That's why I trusted him to...
have an input about my nose.
Corona, what was that eye-roll I just saw?
[laughing] I'm sorry. I...
But, like, maybe it is. I don't... who... what do I know?
Just the cheeks and the chin, I'm not sure,
but, like, if you say it, then I believe you. Sure.
Okay. Yeah.
I mean, my cheeks and chin are mine.
I don't have filler there. I don't have implants.
[Corona] I've seen what your face looked like before all this,
and I don't think all that filler is dissolved.
I mean, you're entitled to your opinion.
I know the facts, though, so...
And I like it better.
I feel like I look... softer.
Mmm-hmm.
[Shaun] Shekinah, do you have any other plans to change your appearance?
Or are you happy with how you look now?
[Shekinah] Um, well, Sarper's getting a tattoo
on our wedding day of my lips on his neck,
and I'm getting his name on my neck.
-You're getting his name tattooed on your neck? -[James] Wow.
Don't do it!
Looking at it from a metaphysical standpoint,
a name does come with...
some generational trauma,
some past life--
Like, everything is tied together energetically
and so, I personally wouldn't do it.
Well, I just like that his name means "trust."
I like the meaning of it.
-So write "trust". -[Corona] Yeah.
I just want it to be more personal.
And I love his name, so... I want...
I want it. I want it, like, right here.
I said, don't do it, by the way.
-Yeah. -I mean, I'm not supportive of this.
I mean, I want it, like, this long.
Yeah.
That means you're not all in, then.
[Joanne] Every single person that I know,
and I have a lot of tattooed people around me,
they get a name, they get divorced.
It's almost a bad juju thing. Once you get the name...
-[Joanne] Done. -...it kind of starts to take things.
I don't believe that that means that will happen for me.
And I also believe in manifestation.
So if I'm gonna go into it saying, "I'm not gonna do this
-because something might happen..." -Yeah.
...that's manifesting something happening,
So if I'm gonna go into it and say, "Nothing will happen.
-I'm making this level of commitment for you..." -Yeah.
...then I'm manifesting something better, so...
[Shaun] As you plan for the future,
we wanna take another quick look back.
We want to show you some never-before-seen footage
from Shekinah's time in Turkey.
She and Sarper had a unique dining experience.
Let's watch.
[Sarper] This is one of my favorites.
-Really? -[Sarper] Yeah.
-What's it called? -Shirdan.
What's it made out of?
Don't ask it. Just eat it, baby.
-Yeah. -"Don't ask"?
I don't know what she will think when she sees it.
[Shekinah] Oh, my God.
What is this?
It looks a little strange,
but it is so delicious. I love it.
Babe, what in the world? Ugh.
Is this, like, the [bleep] of an animal?
-[Sarper] I will show you how to eat it. -[laughing]
-Oh, no. -I don't know if I want to eat this.
[chuckling]
For me.
But it is eaten by hands.
Oh, my God.
Put it down.
-No, babe... -Don't touch that.
Come here.
No, it looks like the worst [bleep] I've ever seen.
I don't wanna see you eat it either.
Ugh. What is happening? Ah!
-What is happening. -[Sarper] Delicious.
And what is... Shirdan?
-Oh. -Yeah, it's...
But it looks like a penis. Yeah.
It's so gross.
[all chuckling]
[Shaun] Okay...
Shekinah and Sarper, it seems that you still have some things to work out,
but the clock is ticking on your K-1 visa.
We'll see if the 90-day period ends with you saying your "I do's."
-Thank you so much. -[Shaun] And we wish you the very best the best.
I want to go back now to James and Meitalia.
Now, James, earlier, you mentioned that, like Sarper,
you are not allowed to have any female friends.
-I'm only allowed to have male friends. Yes. -[Shaun] Oh. Okay.
And all of my female friends that I did have when we first met
-are gone from my life. -[Shaun] So, no female friends
from... from your work,
-career, or high school? -[James] Nope.
-[Shaun] None? -[James] None. Absolutely zero.
Because she doesn't want you to?
Not because...
No, it's not just because she doesn't want me to.
She said she didn't want me to,
and out of respect for that,
I separated myself from those people.
And I even let them know, like, I'm doing this...
"Yeah, I have no animosity towards you.
I'm just letting you know you know, I'm with someone..."
-[Shaun] Okay. -..."and this is what I think is healthy for us."
I feel like if your man talking to other women,
that's not for a job or like, for something like that.
Like, why you need to talk to this woman...
-about something else, you know? -Mmm.
-[Meitalia] So... -I shouldn't be talking about my... our personal,
-my personal life or our personal life... -Yes.
...with any other woman.
If I have personal issues I want to talk to anybody about,
-I should talk to her about it. -Yes.
[Shaun] Trust and jealousy has been a big issue for James and Tatha,
and we need to talk about something that happened a few months back.
There was an incident where Meitalia accused James of cheating.
[gasping] What?
Vivian, you said at first that you did not believe
this marriage would last.
How do you feel today?
[Shaun] Meitalia accused James of cheating.
She spoke to her sister about it,
but it's never been seen
until now. Let's take a look.
[exhales]
[speaking Indonesian]
Mmm.
[both conversing in Indonesian]
[gasps]
[in English] If you're looking for someone else,
when you have a partner
laying beside you,
that's cheating.
And in the past,
if someone cheated on me,
But I love James.
So, I willing to do anything for him.
But it still hurt through this day.
[Shaun] All right.
Let me ask the cast.
Who here thinks James cheated?
-[Joanne and Shekinah] No. -Nope.
-[Joanne] Absolutely not. -[Shekinah] No.
-[Joanne] I'm sorry. Mmm-mmm. -It's ridiculous.
[James] For me, it was a laughable thing.
I'm like, "Why are you even mad?" Like, it's...
It's literally just every video...
[chuckling] on the Internet, any kind of social media.
[Shekinah] Poor James. He can't catch a break.
It...
You just swipe "next"...
No, no!
-Okay, so because I was following... -So, you're like--
So if I'm following, is that cheating?
If I'm following--
[Corona] I don't know if it's necessarily cheating,
but maybe he, like, overstepped boundaries
that you laid down for him,
which I can see why that would be upsetting for you,
if you were like, "Hey, don't look at girls. Don't follow girls,"
whatever y'all's dynamic is with that.
So... James, why...
Why were you following the women?
Um...
probably because they were dancing in bikinis.
-[Corona] Well, now... -[James] I'm gonna be honest about it.
-Okay, I think you've just lost Shekinah's support. -[Corona] Well... Yeah.
-Mine, too, honestly. -But to be honest [bleeping]
Why? I mean, why else would I be following these people? I mean...
Do you think that's respectful to your wife?
No. And you know,
that's why in the moment, I didn't understand it.
For me, I only dated Americans,
so, like, I didn't know...
that that was something that's gonna be an issue.
-Yeah. -Shekinah, you can speak.
All these are American woman, so...
they have a problem with it.
How did you fix this?
Uh, I deleted that social media,
and I did apologize for it.
I have apologized since,
because it took me probably like six months to a year
to even understand why it bothered her.
And now I understand she's mad
because she felt like my eyes were not for her.
They were for other... My eyes were wandering.
-She was sharing your attention. -[Meitalia and James] Yes.
Since then, he never do it again.
And she has every password,
[chuckling] to every account.
She has access to every single thing in my phone anytime she wants.
-[Corona chuckles] -Yeah.
And my location.
Yeah, your whole body should belong to your woman.
I mean...
So you're objectifying women.
-[all laughing] -To be fair, that's what it is.
And I was probably guilty of that in what I was doing,
so, there's no other way to cut that.
That's exactly what it was doing.
If I'm watching that kind of thing, I am objectifying women.
And it's not fair for me to do.
If that's what they wanna do with their body, that's fine for them to do,
but as a married man, who knows where his wife
has put the line and what she considers acceptable,
I have to respect that.
[Shaun] Okay, let's talk about the future.
James, you've suggested that you would return to Indonesia
once you became stable financially.
Have you established a plan and timeline for a permanent move there?
Yup, it was supposed to be six months when we first came back
but I ended up having some money issues,
so that reset us back to the six-month mark.
So six months from now?
Yup.
I waited three years, I can wait another six months.
[Shaun] All right.
James and Meitalia, wherever you end up living,
the most important thing is that you are together.
Good luck with your future.
[both] Thank you.
These crazy kids are gonna make it.
[Shaun] Okay. A little break, guys.
[Sarper] 100%.
[Shekinah] Yeah.
-And, like, I looked up to him since last season. -[Shekinah] Yeah. Aw.
I know Tatha can be a little a little jealous sometimes. Would she let you watch porn?
No. On certain social medias, there were all these girls dancing and stuff.
I was demanded to get rid of that
after she told me she was gonna break up with me
and that she wanted to leave and go back to Indonesia...
So you're not allowed to follow any girls on social media, basically?
No, I'm not allowed to have specific social medias.
[Shekinah] Why do you have to say "Not allowed"?
Is it something you want to do and you just can't?
Like, why do you want to do that?
-There wasn't anything-- -[Corona] She's behind you.
Um, but...
I don't wanna continue the conversation,
you have no idea that we're talking about you.
-So, that's what the conversation... -Yeah.
You did appear out of nowhere.
So it's like I just whispered one thing
and boom, you're here.
-Can he watch porn? -No.
I mean, he can watch it with me.
Okay.
-But not alone. -Fair.
What?
-Yeah... -What?
Is this your first time figuring this out?
We have never talked about this once
in our entire relationship.
[Meitalia] I just don't want you to watch it by yourself
and you're imagining about that girl.
You know what I mean?
Okay, so if we were to watch a video together,
what would you want it to have?
-Just girls. -Like, all girls?
Or, like, one guy, multiple guys, like, what--
One guy, one girl?
And then they're just doing, like, missionary,
like, dressed in church attire and like--
Oh, don't mock her. Like, that's her preference.
You guys are a couple, she wants to see another couple.
Appreciate it, don't make fun of her.
I know, how has this never come up before?
[Corona speaking]
Exactly.
Well, here's my question.
Like what's the difference between the choice
of watching it together and me watching it alone?
If we're both watching it, what is it you're visualizing about it?
I like this. Okay.
[Shekinah] You made his day, Tatha.
He now knows you can watch porn together.
I think it is. I'm excited.
Yeah, you guys have opened some new tools in your, like, sexual playbooks.
[James] All righty.
I wanna loop back in now with Josh and Lily.
One person who had concerns about Josh moving to China and leaving everything behind
was his brother Jarod.
Jarod visited them and had a a firsthand look
at how Josh and Lily were faring.
Now he is here to shed some light
on the dynamics of their relationship.
Please welcome Josh's brother, Jarod. Jarod, come on out.
-Hi, Jarod. -[Jarod] Hi!
Say hi to your brother.
-[Jarod] Hey, how's it going? -Awesome.
[Jarod] Good to see you, man.
[Jarod] Hi, how are you on the screen?
We miss you too.
[Shaun] Aw, very sweet.
Wow. Yeah, she certainly was happy when she saw Jarod.
Yes, okay.
Well, Jarod, I've been shocked about some of the things that I've heard
between Josh and Lily in their relationship.
What do you see that Lily could be doing differently
that would make the relationship better?
Well, I think you know, Lily, he has some frustrations like,
"Hey, could we stop talking about money?"
But I don't see Lily's waking up, though, going,
"Oh, you know what I'ma do?
Two o'clock today, I'm gonna hit him with that money thing again."
I don't see her doing that.
But just to be aware,
and I think that's what's so awesome about having this conversation.
The fact that we're creating this awareness.
You are the optimist.
You could be a motivational speaker
or a couples therapist.
[Shaun] So we saw Jarod trying to help Josh and Lily communicate better,
while Lily's daughter was skeptical of the relationship.
Connecting from China, please welcome Vivian, Lily's daughter.
Hi, Vivian. Can you hear me?
[Vivian speaking]
[Shaun] You said at first
that you did not believe this marriage would last.
How do you feel today?
[Sarper] Oh, my God.
[people laughing]
Oh, my God.
What is happening?
She continued to say some hurtful things,
and I reached out to an attorney.
-You are serious, then? -Yes.
Josh!
All right, let Josh respond.
Because I want it to be more than just angry sex.
I want it to be more emotional,
I want us to be truly happy and loving in that moment to do it.
I want it to be special.
So why don't you have sex with her then,
in those moments when you're being loving?
Does every time have to be this, like,
storybook, like, "Let me braid her hair
and, like, whisper sweet nothings in her ear"?
-Like just get to business. -What about a little quickie every now and then?
So, Vivian, you heard what your stepfather said.
What is your response?
Vivian, do you consider Josh your family?
Uh, to be honest...
sometimes, yeah.
-[Shaun] Okay. -Okay.
[Shaun] Okay.
Do you think there is a future for your mom and Josh?
A couple days ago?
Lily, did you ask Josh for a divorce?
That was a surprising answer.
Actually, I hear it quite a bit.
It's normal for couples to get upset.
Just don't say, "I hate you," "I'm not in love with you,"
and "I want to leave you."
Did you say that, Josh?
After she said she wanted a divorce,
I said, "I'm gonna honor that,"
and she continued to say some hurtful things that day.
And I said, "You know what? I don't care what you say.
I don't care about your feelings at this point.
You know, you want the divorce...
So it is what it is."
[Shekinah] I'm sure she wanted to hear you say
"I will do whatever it takes. I'm not losing you."
Yeah, to step up and fight.
It sounds like she was trying to get you to understand
where she was coming from to fix the issue.
The divorce was to get your attention.
But, well, I've heard it a hundred times.
[Joanne] Then why did you stay?
[Josh] That's a good question.
[Joanne] You know what I mean?
Like a hundred times somebody says "I want a divorce."
-If he said to me-- -[Sean] I would never.
But if he turned to me and said, "I want a divorce," it would take once.
Yeah, and that's why I reached out to an attorney.
So you actually filed?
Well, I reached out to an attorney.
-[Shaun] You reached out to an attorney? -Mm-hmm.
He understood you are serious, then?
Yes.
I'd like to ask Lily.
Lily, what led you to ask Josh for a divorce?
Incorrect.
Josh.
Not once have I ever kicked her out, not once.
She's the one that tells me she wants to leave, and I tell her, "Don't leave."
So you're saying everything that just came out of Lily's mouth right now
is a lie?
[Josh] 100%.
[Corona] I'm not sure I'm convinced why you two like each other.
I feel like we've talked a lot about, like,
"I wanna change, I'm in this for the marriage."
I don't know if I've ever heard either one of you be like,
"I like this about this person."
[Sean speaking]
[James] But you shouldn't have tried in the beginning, it sounds like.
I mean, right after the wedding,
she says she's never happy again after that?
[Josh] Yeah, and I admit that's my fault.
You know, I need to change.
[Shaun] Jarod, do you think your brother and Lily should be together?
I do. I think they should continue putting that effort into it.
Vivian, any last words for your mom and Josh?
Okay, all right.
Vivian and Jarod, thank you both so much for joining us.
Be well.
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Bye.
Bye-bye.
Josh and Lily. Good luck to the both of you.
Thank you.
That brings us to the end of 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way "The Couples Tell All"
Thank you so much to all of our couples
and our special guests for letting us follow your journeys
and for opening up about your experiences.
We wish you all the very best.
I'm Shaun Robinson and I'll see you next time.
I'm not buying it. Whatever they're--
I don't like confrontation at all.
I actually studied verbal judo to de-escalate situations,
so hopefully it's nothing like,
"Oh, yeah, we definitely need to end it."
[sighs]
[James] Right now, I cannot make her happy.
There's nothing I can do about it.
And that's what just tears me apart every day right now.
Do you think we are stronger now than when we started?
Or do you think we are farther apart?
Has this brought us backwards?
[sighs]
[Josh] Can you hear me?
I understand.
Being with you makes me happy.
Even if I'm not smiling,
I don't want to be away from you.
And I appreciate you opening up and telling me how you feel
because we need that communication.
We got it.
We can do it.
I love you,
and you get some sleep, sweetie.
[Josh] I love you.
Yes.
This is gonna be weird.
I love you, I'm gonna hug the screen, pretend it's you. Bye.
Oh, so cute.
Love you.
-I'm so glad to finally meet you guys. -Same here.
-You guys are wonderful. -[Joanne] We try.
[Joanne] Yeah. You did.
-Just communicate more. -Yeah, that is so true.
And sex. Yeah, definitely sex.
I'm gonna eat a whole stick of butter.
-[Sean] Take it easy, bro. -[Joanne] Thank you.
[Joanne] Yeah, thank you.
Ever since we told everybody about, like, us being married,
it's been nonstop questions and it was nice to finally, like, put them to rest.
And the other couples understood us, so that was nice.
[Sean speaking]
I know.
Yeah, we do.
It's just one more thing.
[Corona] I definitely feel like there's a weight off my shoulders
'cause I think part of me is like, "If he apologizes or says the right words,
maybe."
There was this lingering "Maybe."
And that maybe is gone.
Definitely no maybes. No [bleep] maybes.
-James, Tatha. -[James] Hey, Corona.
[Corona] It was so nice to meet you guys.
-Have a double hug. -It was good to see you.
-I love you guys so much. -Love you.
-Definitely. Stay in touch, though. -Yes.
Philadelphia. Portland, Maine.
[James] I mean, we can visit.
It's not that far.
I was expecting this, overall, to be more combative, confrontational.
I thought all the couples were just gonna be like... [mimics people fighting]
But it, like, kind of wasn't that.
Like, we were able to be honest and open with each other.
That's so rare, I feel like, to actually happen.
Next for me, I definitely wanna date.
I've got a lotta love to give,
and I've got a high sex drive and it's gotta go somewhere.
-Thank you so much! -Welcome.
In my next relationship, I think I just need someone that can handle me.
Clearly, Ingi couldn't.
[James] So how are you feeling?
I feel good to have it done, have it behind us.
Yeah.
I feel like some people had some hard questions for us.
They definitely didn't just let us go. [chuckles]
Today has been a whirlwind.
Like, I'm trying to do my best right now,
and just one thing after another has continued
to just [bleep] our relationship, [bleep] everything.
My biggest concern right now is with bringing Angel
to the United States to come visit us.
[James] No, I understand that.
Like you said today, you're not happy with where we are.
Right now, I cannot make her happy.
There's nothing I can do about it.
And that's what just tears me apart every day right now.
Do you think we are stronger now than when we started?
Or do you think we are farther apart?
Has this brought us backwards?
I just wish one thing would be easy for us. [sniffles]
Just wish one thing would work out right.
[Sarper speaking]
[Shekinah speaking]
You're so scared of kissing in public.
I'm using my voice more now.
And I mean, I'm sorry if he doesn't like that, but he's on my turf now.
What's next, I guess is just seeing how he acclimates to the US,
seeing what changes in our relationship
because of him living here now,
and seeing if we walk down the aisle.
Bye, guys.
But sometimes Shekinah doesn't understand me.
I left everything behind, and it was a big decision for me.
[exhales]