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[Shaun] <i>Previously on</i>
90 Day Fiance:
The Other Way,

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<i>The Couples Tell All...</i>

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Josh, how long has it been
since you and your wife
have been intimate?

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It's been a long time.

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[speaking Mandarin]

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[in English] In total,
you guys have slept
together five times?

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It hurts my soul
to hear that.

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I just don't have
that desire to make love.

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Keep that in mind.

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[Shaun] Okay, Angel,
what kinds of things

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would you like
to know about James?

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"Nothing."
She's not interested.

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I can't stand her.

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And I have to prepare for her
to be here.

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You are going to pay
for her visa?

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It's already in process.

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[Shaun] Wow.

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It's going to be
a war zone in your home.

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Did he tell you
that he had a girlfriend?

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Yes.

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But he said she's possessive
and unpredictable.

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What?

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I think it does seem
a little bit toxic.

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I'm gonna go.

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Just let me know
when she's off the screen.

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I don't want to keep
living moments like this
over and over.

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[Sarper speaking]

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<i>People don't realize,</i>
<i>like, how difficult it is</i>

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to have been in love
and having it taken away
from you.

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<i>And like that,</i>
<i>I'm out of here.</i>

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[Shekinah gasps]

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That's some weak [bleep].

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Now, that has
never happened before.

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Okay.
That was a surprise.

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Wow.

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So, he can say his piece,
and he doesn't want
to listen to me.

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What a punk-ass bitch!

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He says his part
and then leaves,

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so he holds no accountability
because he's a weak-ass bitch.

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And everything on that screen
is a mother [bleep] lie.

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[Shaun] Okay.

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Uh, Sarper, I understand
you've been in contact
with Ingi.

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You two
were talking earlier?

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[Sarper speaking]

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Did he give you any insight
into what he wanted to say?

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[Sarper speaking]

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[Sarper sighs]

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[Shaun] You want
to try to call him?

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-Call him, babe.
-[Shaun] Yeah, sure.

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Go.

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Maybe he'll listen to you.

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[Josh] I think he was
probably afraid of just
being tag teamed and--

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[Corona] You took it.

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-We all know we're going to be
in the volcano at some point.
-[Corona] Yeah.

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[speaking Icelandic]

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[speaking Icelandic]

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[line ringing]

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[Ingi speaking in English
on phone]

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[Sarper speaking]

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[Ingi speaking]

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-[Sarper speaking]
-[Ingi speaking]

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Say, "Be a man."

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[Ingi speaking]

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[Sarper speaking]

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[Ingi] <i>Yeah, yeah, yeah.</i>

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[Ingi speaking]

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[Shekinah] None of us were.

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Yeah. Because it's been
easy for anyone on this
[bleep] stage?

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Has anyone had an easy time?

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[Ingi speaking]

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We all understand that
for sure, man.

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We do understand.

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[Ingi speaking]

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[Sarper speaking]

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Just hang up.
That's all you're
going to get.

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-He's checked out.
-[Sarper speaking]

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-That's so unattractive.
-[Ingi speaking]

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-He's not a real man.
-[Ingi speaking]

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We don't admire you.

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-Weak [bleep].
-[Ingi speaking]

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-Okay.
-[Ingi speaking]

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I'm glad he can talk it out
with Sarper but not me.

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-That's great.
-[Sarper] Give me a talk.

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-Okay?
-[Corona] That's great.

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[Sarper speaking]

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-[Ingi speaking]
-Bye.

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You're way nicer to him
than he [bleep] deserves.

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[Joanne] Wow.

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But no one kicked him
off the set, you know.

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He chose to do this.

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He could have stayed
and said his side.

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[Shaun] Okay.

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Corona, um, let's get
the timeline together.

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So you were in Iceland.

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At what point did you decide
to come back to the States?

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I think it was definitely
weighing on my mind

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after I had the conversation
at the midwifery school
in Iceland.

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Yes.

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Because I knew
the textbooks are in English,

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so I assumed the lectures
would also be in English.

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But that turns out
to be not the case.

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So I'm thinking like, okay,
maybe I have to go back.

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So you decided to come back.

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And were there
any plans at the time
to have Ingi come with you?

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I filed a K-1 visa
for me and Ingi,

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and he seemed really excited.

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I would really much so
like to talk on that. Yes.

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When he says
the vibe was off,

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I had, like, so much stuff
going on in my life

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that I literally was, like,
barely hanging on by a thread.

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And instead of, like,
not even, like, helping me,

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but instead, like, being able
to take care of himself,

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he just
couldn't [bleep] do it.

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And then he said,
"Oh, well, now I don't
have any confidence

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because you're not, like,
all obsessed with me anymore."

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It's like, I don't have time
to be obsessed with you
right now

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because I've got
all this other [bleep]
going on.

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He just got up
and walked away.

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We were having a conversation
on a park bench.

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I mentioned, I was like,
"Okay, maybe, like, we need
individual therapy"

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because I do therapy
on my own.

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But after, like, that,
he was like, "Pfft. Okay."

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And he literally just walked,
got up, sulked off.

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I never saw
or heard from him again
in my [bleep] life.

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Oh, whoa. Really?

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Yes.

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Didn't answer
any of my texts,
didn't answer--

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Like, literally, just walked
the [bleep] out of my life.

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And I literally thought
we were about to get married.

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Okay, so you were
on the park bench,

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he gets up and leaves.

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And where does he go?

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Who knows?
I never saw him again
until just now.

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Wow.

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He's a piece of [bleep].

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Now, did anything
lead up to that?

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No. Like, I wish there was
some, like, big moment

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where I could be like,
"Yup, I popped off on him.

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It was too much,
and he left."

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Like, that would be--
That just was not the case.

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From what I saw, it really,
really felt like you guys

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-were always on a vacation
when you were together.
-Yeah.

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[James] And then he realized,
"Oh, she's actually got
stuff to do.

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She can't give me
all of her time,
all of her attention."

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He's got
a lot of maturing to do,
a lot of growing to do.

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And he met
a real adult woman,

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and he did not know
how to handle it.

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Yeah, he couldn't handle it.

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[James]
He couldn't handle it.

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You are--
You are who you are.
You know who you are.

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-He's still looking.
-Yeah.

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[Shekinah]
What's going on, babe?

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You're--

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All right. The producer
is telling me in my ear
that Ingi is not coming back.

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Wow.

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But his friend
was actually there
with him the whole time.

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And he wants to jump in here
to support him.

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Please welcome Gummi.

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Hi, Gummi, this is Shaun.
How are you?

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Well, uh, we're all here,
kind of, [stutters] in shock.

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Uh, we were hoping to hear
Ingi's side of the story

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about why this relationship
with Corona went south.

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Is Ingi in the room
with you now?

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<i>No. He left the room.</i>

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[Shaun] Okay.
He left the room.

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Okay. So what happened?

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[Sarper speaking]

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-That's the thing.
-[Shekinah] That's what.

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The--

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-No.
-[Sarper] Don't take it--

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Don't all get offended, but...

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-That's not true.
-[Sarper speaking]

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That's not true.

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[Corona] I mean, you're
just making assumptions.

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[Sarper speaking]

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I never yelled at him. No.

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No, not one [bleep] time.

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Gummi, did Ingi
say that Corona

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actually yelled at him
at any time?

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<i>No, he didn't.</i>

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Because I didn't.

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Okay. So if it wasn't an issue
with her anger, what was it?

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I mean, it's like
he's been saying here.

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It's the perception
that she was not
the same person,

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<i>and I can't really speak</i>
<i>to what that exactly means.</i>

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[Corona] How can you
be the exact same?

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How can you be
the same person?

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I'm a human being.
I have highs and lows.

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You have to see it
from his perspective, though.

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I wish I could see from
his perspective, Gummi.
He left.

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[razzes] Ha!

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No, that's bull [bleep].

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He did not get hoodwinked.

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If anything,
I got hoodwinked.

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How does that speak volumes?

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We're all sitting
on this stage.

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We've all been
going through things.

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What?

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He was corny.
He didn't--

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He didn't seem like
he loved Corona the same way.

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It was like,
[in gruff voice] "Okay. "

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[Fannie] He was just a wuss.

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Shekinah,
you're a mom yourself.

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And yet, you were going
to go move to Turkey and leave
your daughter behind.

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Oh, wow.

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I mean, I don't understand.

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If you're gonna
play that card...

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What?

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No, that's not true.

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[James] If you love someone,
you don't run away.

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It's your job to put
yourself to the side,
put them in front.

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[Joanne] I agree.

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It doesn't feel good.
It feels like he doesn't
respect you.

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It sucks.

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[Shaun] All right.

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Well, three of
Corona's family members

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were watching backstage
when Ingi walked away.

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Let's bring them on right now
to hear what they have to say.

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Please welcome
Corona's mom, Tonya,

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her grandmother, Fannie,
and her sister, Quentessia.

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Welcome, ladies.

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Well, um, you were watching
monitors backstage.

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Were you ladies
as surprised as we were

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when Ingi read his statement
and then walked off?

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No, I'm really
not surprised.

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I feel like he didn't take
the relationship serious.

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I don't think he really
put in a lot of effort.

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He was corny.
He didn't--

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He didn't seem like
he loved Corona the same way.

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It was like,
[in gruff voice] "Okay."

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[in normal voice]
Yeah, he was, kind of,
like, going with the flow.

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[Tonya] I just
never liked him.

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-I never liked him.
-[Shaun] Why not?

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He didn't try to like her.

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He didn't try
to contact us or her.

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This is her mother.

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Yeah. I will say
he didn't really make
as much of an effort

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to get to know my family
as I did to his.

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[Shaun] Corona, you told us
how Ingi just left you
on a park bench one day.

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What do you think
the reason is?

241
00:13:57,867 --> 00:14:00,767
I think he just didn't
want to, like, own up to it

242
00:14:00,767 --> 00:14:02,367
and didn't wanna have
a conversation about it.

243
00:14:02,367 --> 00:14:04,300
I think most importantly
is why he leaves

244
00:14:04,300 --> 00:14:06,700
and why he left here now,
because he is weak.

245
00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,900
[Shaun] Does anyone here
have any thoughts
on why that happened?

246
00:14:11,767 --> 00:14:12,967
I-- I don't know.

247
00:14:12,967 --> 00:14:15,300
I can't--
I don't know his insight.

248
00:14:15,300 --> 00:14:17,100
You've got too many.
"I don't knows."

249
00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:20,166
So I don't even know
why you're there.

250
00:14:20,166 --> 00:14:22,100
[Corona] He's only there
because Ingi walked off

251
00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:24,200
because he's so weak,
and left.

252
00:14:25,867 --> 00:14:27,700
For him to read his statement
and walk off.

253
00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:31,166
Maybe he's just not sure
about a lot of things

254
00:14:31,166 --> 00:14:35,367
since this is
his first real relationship.

255
00:14:35,367 --> 00:14:38,600
I need to ask him,
"What planet you live on?"

256
00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,100
I wish he was here
so you could.

257
00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:42,500
-I wish he was here, too.
-[Sarper speaking]

258
00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:44,000
[Tonya] You're almost 40,

259
00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,500
and you never
brought home a girl?

260
00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:47,500
That says a lot.

261
00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:49,867
To me, he's not datable.

262
00:14:49,867 --> 00:14:51,533
[Fannie] He was just a wuss.

263
00:14:54,767 --> 00:14:58,667
And I felt like he was
using my daughter for--

264
00:14:58,667 --> 00:14:59,600
I'm just gonna
put it out there.

265
00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,266
He was using her
for her money.

266
00:15:01,266 --> 00:15:04,166
He had my daughter
buying plane tickets for him.

267
00:15:04,166 --> 00:15:05,767
She paid for the visa.

268
00:15:05,767 --> 00:15:08,100
She paid-- She was gonna
pay for him to live over here.

269
00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:11,533
I don't like that.
I just think he was a user.

270
00:15:12,500 --> 00:15:13,667
A freeloader.

271
00:15:13,667 --> 00:15:16,667
Apparently,
he claims to have paid
for a lot of things,

272
00:15:16,667 --> 00:15:18,266
and you claim to have paid
for a lot of things.

273
00:15:18,266 --> 00:15:23,900
<i>But I can say</i>
<i>with 100% certainty</i>
<i>that he loved her.</i>

274
00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:25,600
I don't think so.

275
00:15:32,567 --> 00:15:33,867
That's a mom right there.

276
00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:36,767
Yeah. Yeah.

277
00:15:36,767 --> 00:15:41,967
Well, since Ingi
is not going to come back,

278
00:15:41,967 --> 00:15:46,900
the only thing
that we can do is move on.

279
00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:50,300
So, ladies,
thank you very much.

280
00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:53,000
We can see
how much you love Corona.

281
00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,266
Uh, Gummi, we appreciate you
taking the time to speak
with us today.

282
00:15:57,266 --> 00:15:58,900
Sorry you were
in the hot seat, Gummi.

283
00:15:58,900 --> 00:16:00,066
Thank you, Gummi.

284
00:16:00,066 --> 00:16:02,333
-Yeah. Bye-bye.
-[Corona] Bless, bless.

285
00:16:04,367 --> 00:16:06,266
Give it up
for these sexy ladies.

286
00:16:06,266 --> 00:16:07,834
Yes.

287
00:16:10,367 --> 00:16:14,467
Okay. Well, Corona,
you didn't get the closure
that you wanted.

288
00:16:14,467 --> 00:16:15,600
I had a feeling
I wasn't going to.

289
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,500
[James]
That was some pretty solid
closure right there.

290
00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:18,533
-She knows...
-[Shaun] Well, yeah.

291
00:16:18,533 --> 00:16:20,767
..."I was
with the wrong person.
He's a coward.

292
00:16:20,767 --> 00:16:23,867
Now I'm--
Now I'm stronger for it."

293
00:16:23,867 --> 00:16:26,100
-[Sarper speaking]
-Go ahead, Sarper.

294
00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:27,400
[Sarper speaking]

295
00:16:38,367 --> 00:16:39,900
[Shekinah] Mm.

296
00:16:42,266 --> 00:16:44,700
And with that,
we're gonna take a break.

297
00:16:44,700 --> 00:16:45,867
All right.
Thanks, guys.

298
00:16:45,867 --> 00:16:48,767
[exhales deeply]
God, that was a lot.

299
00:16:48,767 --> 00:16:51,834
-He's a coward.
-[Shekinah speaking]

300
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,500
If you would have asked me,
like, six months ago,

301
00:16:57,500 --> 00:16:59,800
I mean, I thought this was
gonna be my husband, you know.

302
00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,200
<i>That</i> [bleep] <i>sucks.</i>

303
00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,100
So, like,
[bleep] this dude.

304
00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:06,467
I was not expecting
to literally get no closure
from the end of this.

305
00:17:06,467 --> 00:17:10,667
-It's just a matter of now
you healing from within.
-Yeah.

306
00:17:10,667 --> 00:17:13,367
Honest opinion,
it was almost as if

307
00:17:13,367 --> 00:17:17,500
when you guys
filled out that K-1,
and he got to the US,

308
00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:19,667
-reality hit him.
-Yeah.

309
00:17:19,667 --> 00:17:22,266
-[Sarper] Exactly.
-And he bugged,
and he was like, "Bye."

310
00:17:22,266 --> 00:17:23,600
-Bolt. Yeah.
-[Sarper speaking]

311
00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:25,300
[Corona] Yeah.

312
00:17:28,367 --> 00:17:29,200
[Corona] Yeah.

313
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,700
No, he let his friend
fight for him.

314
00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:32,600
Exactly.
That sucks, you know.

315
00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,600
I just wanted
to understand Ingi.

316
00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:39,066
-But the way he couldn't
defend himself sucks.
-[Corona] Yeah.

317
00:17:39,066 --> 00:17:40,700
[Sarper speaking]

318
00:17:41,767 --> 00:17:43,000
[Joanne]
I always tell people

319
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,700
the universe
is always on time,

320
00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:46,367
so it's not the right person,
wrong time,

321
00:17:46,367 --> 00:17:49,100
-it's just the wrong person.
-That's true.

322
00:17:51,767 --> 00:17:52,834
Yeah.

323
00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,800
That's true. Yeah.

324
00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,800
-I'll be wiser next time.
-[Joanne] Yeah.

325
00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,266
[producer] Let's get
back to our seats.

326
00:18:01,266 --> 00:18:03,233
-Let's go sit down.
-[producer] All right, guys.
Here we go. Rolling!

327
00:18:03,967 --> 00:18:05,333
[Shaun] All right.

328
00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:11,467
[producer] All right, guys.
Quiet, please.

329
00:18:11,467 --> 00:18:13,400
Here we go.

330
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,100
-Let's go on then.
-[producer] Four, three, two.

331
00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:20,867
[Shaun] Let's move on now
to Joanne and Sean.

332
00:18:20,867 --> 00:18:25,767
After Joanne and Sean
kept their marriage
a secret for two years,

333
00:18:25,767 --> 00:18:29,100
they finally revealed the
big news to their families.

334
00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:31,066
But when her children
raised concerns,

335
00:18:31,066 --> 00:18:34,100
the future of this couple
became unclear.

336
00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:36,867
Sean and Joanne,
let's get right into it.

337
00:18:36,867 --> 00:18:38,367
-All right.
-[Shaun] First of all,

338
00:18:38,367 --> 00:18:40,767
Sean, it's really surprising
to have you with us.

339
00:18:40,767 --> 00:18:42,400
How are you even here?

340
00:18:49,166 --> 00:18:50,500
[Shaun] That's--

341
00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:52,100
That's really exciting.

342
00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:54,600
What paperwork was this?

343
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,867
-It's a Green Card.
-Green Card. He's a resident
of the United States now.

344
00:18:57,867 --> 00:18:59,467
-[Shaun] Congratulations.
-Wow.

345
00:18:59,467 --> 00:19:01,300
-Yay!
-[Shekinah] Congrats.

346
00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:02,800
[Sarper] Congrats.

347
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,867
Now, why did you
choose to do that?

348
00:19:06,867 --> 00:19:09,867
Well, Joanne was doing
all the flying back
and forward to me.

349
00:19:09,867 --> 00:19:11,767
I couldn't get into America
because I was banned

350
00:19:11,767 --> 00:19:13,900
because I overstayed
the visa before.

351
00:19:17,667 --> 00:19:20,667
Which turns out,
I wasn't even banned
when I went to the embassy.

352
00:19:20,667 --> 00:19:22,667
-A man told me that they
actually made a mistake...
-What?

353
00:19:22,667 --> 00:19:24,567
-...and that I shouldn't
have been banned.
-[Shekinah gasps]

354
00:19:24,567 --> 00:19:26,667
So you thought
you were banned.

355
00:19:26,667 --> 00:19:28,266
-How long ago was this?
-Oh, my God.

356
00:19:28,266 --> 00:19:29,767
Two and a half years ago.

357
00:19:29,767 --> 00:19:30,700
Wow.

358
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,500
So now the plan is

359
00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:34,200
you've got your green card.

360
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,467
What does that mean?

361
00:19:35,467 --> 00:19:37,300
Are you here permanently?

362
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,066
[sighs]

363
00:19:48,767 --> 00:19:50,400
Does your daughter know
you're here?

364
00:19:52,667 --> 00:19:54,100
[Jo] Well, but why?

365
00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:01,400
[Shaun] So you're
still keeping a secret

366
00:20:01,767 --> 00:20:03,233
from your children?

367
00:20:06,467 --> 00:20:07,433
[Jo] Yeah.

368
00:20:08,867 --> 00:20:10,500
She's going to find out now.

369
00:20:25,367 --> 00:20:27,567
So how long are you here

370
00:20:27,567 --> 00:20:28,900
in America right now?

371
00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:29,800
[chuckles]

372
00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:31,867
[Shaun laughing]

373
00:20:31,867 --> 00:20:33,500
You guys are like
allergic to planning.

374
00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:34,700
-I love it.
-We are.

375
00:20:35,567 --> 00:20:36,634
Hopefully it's
a quick turnaround.

376
00:20:36,634 --> 00:20:39,133
Hopefully I'm back over
with Bella real soon, so.

377
00:20:40,467 --> 00:20:42,667
Well, Joanne's mom,
Donna, was shocked

378
00:20:42,667 --> 00:20:46,266
when she found out
about her son-in-law, Sean.

379
00:20:46,266 --> 00:20:49,300
And she had
some hard-hitting questions
for him.

380
00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:51,867
Did she approve
of his answers?

381
00:20:51,867 --> 00:20:54,800
And does she approve
of him now?

382
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,066
That is what we are going
to find out.

383
00:20:57,066 --> 00:21:00,200
So please welcome
Joanne's mom, Donna.

384
00:21:02,667 --> 00:21:03,967
Yes!

385
00:21:03,967 --> 00:21:05,367
<i>-I'm so excited.</i>
-Hi.

386
00:21:05,367 --> 00:21:06,567
-[Shaun] Hi, Donna.
-[Corona] Hi, Donna.

387
00:21:06,567 --> 00:21:07,667
[Donna] <i>Hi, everybody.</i>

388
00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:08,767
-Hello, Donna.
-[Meitalia] Hi.

389
00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:10,166
How are you?

390
00:21:10,166 --> 00:21:11,300
I am doing well.

391
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:12,900
[Shaun] Is this the first time

392
00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:15,000
that you have seen Sean

393
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,867
-since he came to America?
<i>-</i> [Donna] <i>No.</i>

394
00:21:16,867 --> 00:21:18,567
Actually, I saw--

395
00:21:18,567 --> 00:21:21,300
I met Sean
for a quick hot minute.

396
00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:24,800
<i>I think they were with us</i>
<i>two and a half days.</i>

397
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,333
That's not a lot.

398
00:21:26,333 --> 00:21:28,834
[Shaun] And so what were
your first impressions of him?

399
00:21:29,767 --> 00:21:31,600
He's a handsome man.
After meeting him...

400
00:21:33,567 --> 00:21:34,700
[Sean] Oh.

401
00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:35,567
[all laughing]

402
00:21:35,567 --> 00:21:36,667
[Donna] <i>I liked him.</i>

403
00:21:36,667 --> 00:21:37,800
I liked him.

404
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,700
<i>And I don't blame him</i>
<i>for anything</i>

405
00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:41,700
that Joanne kept from me.

406
00:21:44,367 --> 00:21:46,967
I always thought we had
a very close relationship,

407
00:21:46,967 --> 00:21:49,867
and I was very hurt by Joanne.

408
00:21:49,867 --> 00:21:53,166
<i>She never kept secrets from me</i>
<i>that I know of.</i>

409
00:21:53,166 --> 00:21:57,200
So this hurt me a lot.

410
00:21:58,867 --> 00:22:00,166
And I don't blame Sean

411
00:22:00,166 --> 00:22:02,900
because I think that...

412
00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:04,967
I think Sean wanted
me to know.

413
00:22:04,967 --> 00:22:08,166
<i>I believe he did say that</i>
<i>to me.</i>

414
00:22:08,166 --> 00:22:10,367
You told Donna
that it wasn't you.

415
00:22:10,367 --> 00:22:12,300
You told Donna
that it was Joanne--

416
00:22:13,467 --> 00:22:15,600
[Shaun] You don't--
Is Donna mistaken?

417
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,066
[Donna] <i>It was basically Sean</i>

418
00:22:18,066 --> 00:22:21,467
that Joanne asked you
not to say anything.

419
00:22:21,467 --> 00:22:23,467
<i>She wouldn't even tell me</i>
<i>anything about you.</i>

420
00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:24,767
I knew nothing about you.

421
00:22:24,767 --> 00:22:26,667
I didn't know your last name,
where you lived.

422
00:22:26,667 --> 00:22:28,100
I mean, God, you could have
took her

423
00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,767
and sold her, for God's sakes.

424
00:22:29,767 --> 00:22:31,600
-Oh, here she goes.
-[Donna] <i>I didn't know</i>
<i>anything.</i>

425
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,300
We're selling people again.

426
00:22:35,066 --> 00:22:38,266
Listen, turns out
he's a really nice guy.

427
00:22:38,266 --> 00:22:39,266
I'm happy.

428
00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:42,667
But it doesn't take away

429
00:22:42,667 --> 00:22:45,600
the hurt you gave me, Joanne.
I'm sorry.

430
00:22:46,367 --> 00:22:48,800
-Okay.
-I mean,
I tell you everything.

431
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,300
-I tell you everything.
-Oh, I know.

432
00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:51,300
Oh, I know.

433
00:22:53,266 --> 00:22:54,700
Yeah, I know you know.

434
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,700
<i>You know, what could I say?</i>

435
00:22:58,567 --> 00:23:00,400
Are you even going
to have a wedding?

436
00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:02,600
[Donna speaking]

437
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,967
With you, ma. We're going
to come live with you

438
00:23:05,967 --> 00:23:08,367
so I can listen to this
every day

439
00:23:08,367 --> 00:23:11,100
for the rest
of [chuckling] my life.

440
00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:12,467
[Donna] <i>You're not going</i>
<i>to have to listen to it</i>

441
00:23:12,467 --> 00:23:14,600
for the rest of your life
'cause you know what?

442
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,767
Now I know
where I stand with you.

443
00:23:16,767 --> 00:23:18,667
Okay, fair enough.

444
00:23:18,667 --> 00:23:21,033
I can see why you kept it
from her, kind of.

445
00:23:22,066 --> 00:23:23,900
Because she's a lot.

446
00:23:24,667 --> 00:23:26,100
<i>Like, if this was my mom,</i>

447
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:29,133
I probably would want to keep
some things from her, too.

448
00:23:29,867 --> 00:23:30,867
[Donna] <i>Shekinah,</i>

449
00:23:30,867 --> 00:23:33,367
you don't know my relationship
with my daughter

450
00:23:33,367 --> 00:23:35,800
for you to say that, A.

451
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,967
B, you're a mom yourself,

452
00:23:38,967 --> 00:23:41,467
<i>and yet you are going</i>
<i>to go move to Turkiye</i>

453
00:23:41,467 --> 00:23:43,233
and leave
your daughter behind?

454
00:23:43,767 --> 00:23:45,133
[tense music playing]

455
00:23:46,667 --> 00:23:48,367
Oh, wow.

456
00:23:48,367 --> 00:23:49,834
I mean, I don't
understand that.

457
00:23:50,467 --> 00:23:52,600
If you're going
to play that card...

458
00:23:58,467 --> 00:24:00,567
There's no way in hell
I would let her
talk to my mom like that.

459
00:24:00,567 --> 00:24:03,000
She just came for me
about my mothering.

460
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,100
After a comment you made

461
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:05,467
that had
already made her upset...

462
00:24:05,467 --> 00:24:06,900
-Saying that she's a bit much?
-...by saying
that she's a bit much.

463
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:08,200
She's a bit much!

464
00:24:09,367 --> 00:24:10,500
Thank you, Corona.

465
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:11,900
-[Shekinah] Oh.
<i>-</i> [Donna] <i>Thank you.</i>

466
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:23,367
If you're going
to play that card,

467
00:24:23,367 --> 00:24:25,200
what I have to say to you is

468
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,667
I would never treat
my daughter

469
00:24:26,667 --> 00:24:28,133
the way that you treat
your daughter.

470
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:31,700
-You're overly opinionated.
-How do I treat my daughter?

471
00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:33,300
-And you're shoving
your opinions...
-[Donna] <i>No, I'm not.</i>

472
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:34,600
-...down her throat...
-No, I'm not.

473
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,467
[Shekinah] ...acting like
she's entitled
to tell you everything

474
00:24:36,467 --> 00:24:38,567
when you actually have
to earn that as a parent.

475
00:24:38,567 --> 00:24:39,400
-It seems like you think...
-I-- No, no, no.

476
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,800
...you're a lot closer
than she does.

477
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,200
I don't have to earn anything.

478
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,600
I, as a parent, do not
have to earn anything.

479
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,166
You have to earn
the respect of your child.

480
00:24:48,166 --> 00:24:49,667
Your children are
to respect you.

481
00:24:49,667 --> 00:24:52,767
And I'm not saying
anything against you.

482
00:24:52,767 --> 00:24:54,200
<i>I don't know you.</i>

483
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,100
-You just did.
-[Donna speaking]

484
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:57,266
No, you just said
a mouthful against me.

485
00:24:57,266 --> 00:24:59,166
You have a big mouth.

486
00:24:59,166 --> 00:25:00,500
[Shekinah] <i>And you're-- No.</i>

487
00:25:02,266 --> 00:25:03,266
You're talking too much.

488
00:25:03,266 --> 00:25:04,767
You're talking too much,
and that's a problem.

489
00:25:04,767 --> 00:25:06,767
And you talk too much.
You know what?

490
00:25:06,767 --> 00:25:09,266
-Okay. Okay
-You're saying
a bit much now. Okay?

491
00:25:09,266 --> 00:25:11,900
I think you need to shut it
and let it be.

492
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,900
[Corona] There's no way
in hell I would let her
talk to my mom like that.

493
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:16,800
My mom's a bit much,
too, but--

494
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,467
She just came for me
about my mothering.

495
00:25:19,467 --> 00:25:20,600
After a comment you made

496
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,967
that had
already made her upset...

497
00:25:21,967 --> 00:25:23,367
-Saying that she's a bit much?
-...by saying
that she's a bit much.

498
00:25:23,367 --> 00:25:24,367
She's a bit much!

499
00:25:24,367 --> 00:25:26,333
We're all a bit much,
so like...

500
00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:28,467
Thank you, Corona.

501
00:25:28,467 --> 00:25:29,367
-[Shekinah] Oh.
<i>-</i> [Donna] <i>Thank you.</i>

502
00:25:29,367 --> 00:25:31,533
Yeah, you guys can
be friends. [chuckles]

503
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,467
I mean, it's two mothers
getting protective

504
00:25:35,467 --> 00:25:36,400
over their daughters,

505
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,700
the same way I would
over my daughter, so.

506
00:25:39,967 --> 00:25:41,867
But what is she
protecting you from?

507
00:25:41,867 --> 00:25:43,900
This isn't a protecting thing.

508
00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:45,700
This is more of a, like,

509
00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:47,166
"You should tell me everything

510
00:25:47,166 --> 00:25:49,166
'cause I'm your mother" thing,

511
00:25:49,166 --> 00:25:51,166
which is, like, so off-putting

512
00:25:51,166 --> 00:25:51,900
because it's, like,

513
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:53,800
if you built
that relationship,

514
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,400
then you're going to go to her
with that information.

515
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,333
But it doesn't seem like

516
00:25:56,333 --> 00:25:58,567
that's the relationship
that you guys have.

517
00:25:58,567 --> 00:26:00,467
But it seems like
that's the relationship
Donna thought they had.

518
00:26:00,467 --> 00:26:02,066
-She said that she was
telling them everything.
-[Shekinah] She thought.

519
00:26:02,066 --> 00:26:03,600
She wants, she thinks.

520
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:05,500
It seems one-sided.

521
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:07,967
That's not true, Shekinah.
That's not true.

522
00:26:07,967 --> 00:26:09,166
Do you have a relationship
with your mom?

523
00:26:09,166 --> 00:26:10,266
I'm just saying
what I'm seeing.

524
00:26:10,266 --> 00:26:12,700
I'm not saying
that that's true.

525
00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:14,867
I'm saying
that's what I'm getting

526
00:26:14,867 --> 00:26:16,533
from this situation.

527
00:26:17,867 --> 00:26:19,767
So Shekinah, why do you think

528
00:26:19,767 --> 00:26:21,767
Joanne did not tell her mother

529
00:26:21,767 --> 00:26:22,767
that she got married?

530
00:26:22,767 --> 00:26:24,300
Probably because
she didn't want

531
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:25,333
to deal with all this,

532
00:26:25,333 --> 00:26:28,367
like all the opinions
and all of the, you know.

533
00:26:28,367 --> 00:26:30,000
With
overly opinionated mothers,

534
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,867
and I can say this
because I have one,

535
00:26:32,867 --> 00:26:34,867
it makes you want
to keep things from them.

536
00:26:34,867 --> 00:26:36,767
You're telling me
I'm an opinionated person.

537
00:26:36,767 --> 00:26:38,767
-[Shekinah] <i>You're</i>
<i>an opinionated person.</i>
-You know nothing about me.

538
00:26:38,767 --> 00:26:40,867
Why can't anyone else have
an opinion?

539
00:26:40,867 --> 00:26:42,967
You can have an opinion,

540
00:26:42,967 --> 00:26:44,000
but you don't even know me.

541
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,667
You're judging me.
You're not--

542
00:26:45,667 --> 00:26:47,100
You're not having an opinion.

543
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:48,500
You're judging me.

544
00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:50,767
I guess so none of us can,
like, comment

545
00:26:50,767 --> 00:26:53,567
'cause we don't know
her personally.

546
00:26:53,567 --> 00:26:56,000
I want everybody just to halt
for just a second.

547
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,667
And I want to give Joanne

548
00:26:57,667 --> 00:26:59,133
-a chance to speak.
-[Corona] Mm-hmm.

549
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,100
I-- I... [chuckles]

550
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:05,967
<i>It was something, again,</i>

551
00:27:05,967 --> 00:27:08,767
and I will say it
until I'm blue in the face,

552
00:27:08,767 --> 00:27:12,667
something that Sean
and I wanted

553
00:27:12,667 --> 00:27:15,200
to do for us.

554
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,400
I'm gonna agree with Shekinah
about other people's opinions.

555
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,500
Like, if I would have said
to anyone in the family,

556
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:26,266
"Hey, Sean and I are
getting married",

557
00:27:26,266 --> 00:27:27,967
they would all go, "What?
What are you doing?

558
00:27:27,967 --> 00:27:29,400
What are you crazy?
What are you doing?"

559
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,367
[mumbles gibberish]

560
00:27:30,367 --> 00:27:31,467
I don't want to hear that.

561
00:27:31,467 --> 00:27:33,000
I knew

562
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,400
I wanted to marry him.

563
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,100
I knew he wanted to marry me.

564
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:38,367
I knew who we were
as a couple,

565
00:27:38,367 --> 00:27:39,900
who we still are.

566
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:43,367
And so that was the reason
I didn't tell my mother.

567
00:27:43,367 --> 00:27:46,700
<i>However, it is not because her</i>
<i>and I are not close.</i>

568
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:48,567
So I will straighten that.

569
00:27:48,567 --> 00:27:49,900
Like, her and I are close.

570
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:52,100
Yes, we do tell each other
everything.

571
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:54,900
Um, but for this particular...

572
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,500
[chuckling] situation--
I don't even know.

573
00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:58,867
Like, it should be
a celebration.

574
00:27:58,867 --> 00:28:01,033
It shouldn't even be
a situation.

575
00:28:05,467 --> 00:28:06,266
[Shekinah] Joanne,
I didn't mean

576
00:28:06,266 --> 00:28:07,166
to come for your mom.

577
00:28:07,166 --> 00:28:08,300
I'm sorry.

578
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:09,000
It's just triggering,

579
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,900
'cause my mom is very similar.

580
00:28:12,166 --> 00:28:13,500
And...

581
00:28:14,066 --> 00:28:15,233
she also would like--

582
00:28:15,233 --> 00:28:18,000
she hits below the belt, too,
when she gets challenged.

583
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,100
And it's just...

584
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,600
too close to home.

585
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:25,967
[Shaun] <i>Well, Joanne</i>
<i>and Sean were nervous</i>

586
00:28:25,967 --> 00:28:28,467
to finally break the news
of their marriage

587
00:28:28,467 --> 00:28:29,333
to their families.

588
00:28:29,333 --> 00:28:32,300
But they knew
that the time had come.

589
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:33,066
Let's look back

590
00:28:33,066 --> 00:28:35,333
at how
those conversations went.

591
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:38,066
[Jo's aunt] Okay,
we're seated.

592
00:28:38,066 --> 00:28:39,934
I can't wait
to see what's next.

593
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:42,500
[Donna] Where are we going?

594
00:28:44,567 --> 00:28:45,700
Uh, well,

595
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,133
we'll be-- um,
well, we're married.

596
00:28:52,166 --> 00:28:53,400
[tense music playing]

597
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,266
You knew this?

598
00:28:56,266 --> 00:28:57,300
No.

599
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,400
-No.
-No. No. No. No. No!

600
00:29:01,767 --> 00:29:03,300
When did you get married?

601
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:06,533
Um, almost...

602
00:29:06,867 --> 00:29:07,967
two years ago.

603
00:29:07,967 --> 00:29:10,767
How do you not even tell
your mother you're married?

604
00:29:10,767 --> 00:29:12,567
-[Jo] Because I--
-I'm your mother!

605
00:29:12,567 --> 00:29:14,166
-[Jo] I understand.
-This is your aunt!

606
00:29:14,166 --> 00:29:15,567
First of all...

607
00:29:15,567 --> 00:29:18,166
-[Jo's aunt] No.
-...people elope all the time.

608
00:29:18,166 --> 00:29:20,233
-So--
-[Jo's aunt] But they come
back and tell people.

609
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,500
They come back and say,

610
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:22,767
"Hey, by the way, guess what?

611
00:29:22,767 --> 00:29:24,433
We decided to get married."

612
00:29:24,867 --> 00:29:26,233
You didn't do that.

613
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,634
[Jo] Well,

614
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,400
now that we are
all here together,

615
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,767
we, uh, [chuckles] have
some news

616
00:29:33,767 --> 00:29:34,934
to share with you guys.

617
00:29:40,467 --> 00:29:42,300
-[Jesse] Is it bad
or good news?
-Slow your roll, kid.

618
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:44,000
-Um, it's good news.
-[Bella] What?

619
00:29:44,266 --> 00:29:45,900
We love good news.

620
00:29:46,266 --> 00:29:47,433
[chuckles]

621
00:29:48,166 --> 00:29:49,000
[Jo and Sean] So...

622
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,900
Uh, [sighs] you want me
to tell them

623
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:51,800
or you want to tell them?

624
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:52,900
[Joey] Spit it out.

625
00:29:54,767 --> 00:29:57,700
Okay, so we did
a little thing...

626
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,900
about [chuckling] almost
two years ago.

627
00:30:02,767 --> 00:30:03,834
Um...

628
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:06,000
we're married.

629
00:30:08,367 --> 00:30:10,233
[tense music playing]

630
00:30:11,567 --> 00:30:12,367
No, you're not.

631
00:30:12,367 --> 00:30:13,900
[Jo's friend]
Bella's my favorite.

632
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:15,133
[Joey] Are you guys joking?

633
00:30:16,367 --> 00:30:17,700
For two years?

634
00:30:20,266 --> 00:30:21,867
You're married already?

635
00:30:21,867 --> 00:30:23,000
-Yeah.
-They're not married.

636
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,567
Like you're married and...

637
00:30:24,567 --> 00:30:26,867
-You're married?
You're legally married?
-They're not married.

638
00:30:26,867 --> 00:30:28,600
We're not stupid.

639
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,266
-We are.
-I like Jesse's reaction.

640
00:30:30,266 --> 00:30:32,667
-He's just eating cake.
-[Jo chuckles]

641
00:30:32,667 --> 00:30:34,767
-[Jo's friend] I mean,
like, congratulations...
-[Bella] No, you're not.

642
00:30:34,767 --> 00:30:35,800
[Jo's friend] ...but, like,

643
00:30:36,266 --> 00:30:37,667
-what the...
-[Jo chuckles]

644
00:30:37,667 --> 00:30:38,667
-Yeah, like, yeah.
-Sorry.

645
00:30:38,667 --> 00:30:40,333
What the actual...

646
00:30:41,867 --> 00:30:43,266
[Bella blows raspberry]

647
00:30:43,266 --> 00:30:45,367
-Maybe she needs a minute.
-Yeah.

648
00:30:45,367 --> 00:30:46,567
You want to go on a walk?

649
00:30:46,567 --> 00:30:48,500
-[Bella] No.
-[Sean] Okay.

650
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,533
-[Jo] All right.
-That's news.

651
00:30:52,467 --> 00:30:54,100
[tense music playing]

652
00:30:59,467 --> 00:31:00,400
Wow.

653
00:31:00,767 --> 00:31:02,400
They're so cute.

654
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,500
Thank you.

655
00:31:04,867 --> 00:31:06,367
[Jo] My sons,
just seeing them,

656
00:31:06,367 --> 00:31:09,500
that brings out emotion in me.

657
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,200
My mother's reaction,

658
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,467
the way she did it,
that is her.

659
00:31:13,467 --> 00:31:15,800
I would not have expected

660
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,166
any [chuckling]
other reaction.

661
00:31:18,166 --> 00:31:22,166
-Yes.
-But seeing the confusion
on Jesse's face,

662
00:31:22,166 --> 00:31:24,166
how shocked Joey was,

663
00:31:24,166 --> 00:31:25,700
how shocked Bella was,

664
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:27,367
like, it was just like,

665
00:31:27,367 --> 00:31:29,600
those were
the three people that,

666
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,667
if we told anybody,

667
00:31:31,667 --> 00:31:32,867
it should have been them.

668
00:31:32,867 --> 00:31:34,767
Your children. Yeah.

669
00:31:34,767 --> 00:31:37,700
You would have
done it differently?

670
00:31:38,166 --> 00:31:39,567
I think I would have said,

671
00:31:39,567 --> 00:31:41,867
"Hey, let's at least tell
the [chuckling] kids."

672
00:31:41,867 --> 00:31:44,367
-[Sean] <i>Yeah, we would change</i>
<i>waiting so long.</i>
<i>-</i> [Jo] <i>Yeah.</i>

673
00:31:44,367 --> 00:31:46,667
[Shaun] So you wouldn't
have told the kids

674
00:31:46,667 --> 00:31:47,800
you were going to get married.

675
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,467
You only would have told them
afterwards, but sooner?

676
00:31:51,467 --> 00:31:53,467
I definitely would have
told them sooner.

677
00:31:53,467 --> 00:31:54,700
But not before?

678
00:31:55,467 --> 00:31:56,467
Eh.

679
00:31:56,467 --> 00:31:58,200
-No, not before, no.
-Not really.

680
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,500
[Jo] No, I can't say...

681
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,767
Like, we don't regret
what we did, you know?

682
00:32:04,767 --> 00:32:06,467
<i>People elope all the time.</i>

683
00:32:06,467 --> 00:32:07,634
<i>But like my aunt said,</i>

684
00:32:07,634 --> 00:32:09,734
[imitating aunt] "They come
home and they tell people."

685
00:32:12,166 --> 00:32:13,000
[Shaun] Donna, you just heard

686
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,600
<i>your daughter explain</i>
<i>once again</i>

687
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:19,367
why she did not tell you.

688
00:32:19,367 --> 00:32:23,066
<i>You know, is it an explanation</i>
<i>that you accept?</i>

689
00:32:23,066 --> 00:32:24,700
Does it make you feel
any better?

690
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:27,133
[Donna] <i>Here's the thing.</i>

691
00:32:27,133 --> 00:32:30,467
I just wanted a chance
to celebrate her and Sean

692
00:32:30,467 --> 00:32:33,000
<i>and be happy for them.</i>

693
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,867
I have been through
hell and high water

694
00:32:34,867 --> 00:32:35,800
with Joanne.

695
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,700
<i>Yeah, maybe she had</i>
<i>to hear my opinion,</i>

696
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:42,600
<i>but I never, ever,</i>
<i>ever stopped her,</i>

697
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,767
Joanne, correct me
if I'm wrong,

698
00:32:44,767 --> 00:32:47,233
from doing
whatever you wanted to do.

699
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:49,667
<i>I would have liked</i>
<i>to have been</i>

700
00:32:49,667 --> 00:32:51,400
a part of that two years ago

701
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,200
and congratulated you then

702
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,100
and wished
the both of you well.

703
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:57,133
I wouldn't have been
against it.

704
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,667
-You wouldn't have been
against it?
-But I would have accepted it.

705
00:33:01,667 --> 00:33:02,800
Oh, my God.

706
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:04,266
No, you would not.

707
00:33:04,266 --> 00:33:06,200
-I would too.
-[Jo] <i>Okay.</i>

708
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,867
<i>You've done a lot</i>
<i>of things in your life</i>

709
00:33:08,867 --> 00:33:11,200
<i>that I've accepted,</i>
<i>and you know that.</i>

710
00:33:11,767 --> 00:33:14,200
It's over with.
We all know now.

711
00:33:15,266 --> 00:33:17,767
Now could we move on
to a celebration?

712
00:33:17,767 --> 00:33:19,266
Well, speaking of celebration,

713
00:33:19,266 --> 00:33:22,667
are there any plans
for a big celebration

714
00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:24,500
so that the larger family can
be a part of it?

715
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,000
-Yeah.
-Yes.

716
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,233
<i>When it comes</i>
<i>to the celebration,</i>

717
00:33:28,767 --> 00:33:30,200
I...

718
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,600
don't want to get married
here in the States.

719
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,300
You know, they're going
to see us get married.

720
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:37,567
They're going to come there.

721
00:33:37,567 --> 00:33:38,767
<i>They're going to come</i>
<i>to Ireland.</i>

722
00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:41,800
And whoever doesn't want
to get on a plane...

723
00:33:42,166 --> 00:33:44,500
I'm getting on the plane.

724
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,133
Oh, oh, okay.

725
00:33:46,967 --> 00:33:49,567
Now, Donna, would you want
to be involved

726
00:33:49,567 --> 00:33:50,667
in the wedding planning,

727
00:33:50,667 --> 00:33:53,400
<i>as mothers oftentimes are?</i>

728
00:33:54,266 --> 00:33:56,600
If she wants me to,
that's up to her.

729
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,767
<i>This is going</i>
<i>to be her wedding,</i>

730
00:33:58,767 --> 00:34:01,166
<i>her wedding day. And...</i>

731
00:34:01,166 --> 00:34:03,266
whatever she wants,
I'm with her.

732
00:34:03,266 --> 00:34:05,166
I'm getting married
in a castle.

733
00:34:05,166 --> 00:34:07,900
She wants a raven sitting
beside us and like--

734
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:09,000
Hell yeah.

735
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,100
I love that.

736
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:11,667
[Jo] Like, I want
to do it my way.

737
00:34:11,667 --> 00:34:13,066
Like, what the hell?

738
00:34:13,066 --> 00:34:15,467
-Well, not my way, like--
-No, I love it.

739
00:34:15,467 --> 00:34:17,133
-You know what I mean. Like...
-I love it.

740
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,200
But my way.

741
00:34:24,567 --> 00:34:26,400
[Donna] <i>And no matter what,</i>

742
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,867
I will be there
because your father is

743
00:34:28,867 --> 00:34:30,100
waiting to come.

744
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:31,433
I know he is.

745
00:34:32,266 --> 00:34:33,266
And your father knows...

746
00:34:33,266 --> 00:34:34,266
[Sean clears throat]

747
00:34:34,266 --> 00:34:36,900
[Shaun] ...that his daughter
is married, right?

748
00:34:40,066 --> 00:34:42,066
Go ahead, answer that one, Jo.

749
00:34:42,066 --> 00:34:43,500
[tense music playing]

750
00:34:51,367 --> 00:34:53,800
Sarper said there were
only maybe two

751
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,467
or three text messages,

752
00:34:55,467 --> 00:34:57,500
and there were actually
a lot more.

753
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,200
Let's take a look
at one particular exchange

754
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,500
that DeeDee had on her phone
from Sarper

755
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:05,700
that no one has seen yet.

756
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,300
Oh, my God.

757
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:08,400
Let's see it.

758
00:35:08,967 --> 00:35:10,300
[bleep] boy.

759
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:15,000
[tense music playing]

760
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,567
Donna, your husband
does not know

761
00:35:19,567 --> 00:35:21,600
his daughter is married?

762
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,500
That's correct.

763
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:27,333
Still?

764
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,834
Yes.

765
00:35:29,834 --> 00:35:31,767
-[Sean] Tell them why.
-[Jo] I'm gonna tell you
why, though.

766
00:35:31,767 --> 00:35:32,700
Okay?

767
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:35,133
My father, unlike my mother,

768
00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:36,800
<i>who's...</i>

769
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:38,667
[exclaims]

770
00:35:38,667 --> 00:35:42,100
...my father would
totally have taken it,

771
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:43,700
internalized it,

772
00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:45,200
and got really...

773
00:35:46,467 --> 00:35:47,533
[sighs]

774
00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:52,266
[Shekinah coos
sympathetically]

775
00:35:52,266 --> 00:35:53,467
You're his baby.

776
00:35:53,467 --> 00:35:55,133
That's what it comes down to.

777
00:35:56,066 --> 00:35:57,233
[exhales]

778
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,767
Are you worried
he's going to find out

779
00:36:00,767 --> 00:36:01,567
some other way now?

780
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,700
[choked up] I'm going
to tell him.

781
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:06,533
I'm going to tell him,

782
00:36:06,533 --> 00:36:08,700
but I feel like
that's something that

783
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:11,367
is going to have to be
a him-and-I moment.

784
00:36:11,367 --> 00:36:13,700
That's not something
that I'm willing...

785
00:36:14,867 --> 00:36:17,500
Listen, I know
her personality.

786
00:36:17,867 --> 00:36:19,300
<i>We'll get past it.</i>

787
00:36:20,367 --> 00:36:21,233
<i>Um...</i>

788
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:23,533
With him,

789
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:26,667
he is a Christian man,

790
00:36:26,667 --> 00:36:30,200
and he will...

791
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,667
pray on [chuckling] it
if he feels that he needs to,

792
00:36:32,667 --> 00:36:33,734
whatever his process is.

793
00:36:33,734 --> 00:36:36,667
But I have to give him
that respect in that moment.

794
00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:39,300
Like, I have to have
that talk with him.

795
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,133
Donna, where is he right now?

796
00:36:44,367 --> 00:36:46,734
He's in the other room
with the dogs.

797
00:36:47,767 --> 00:36:49,700
She looked around the corner.
I thought he was right there.

798
00:36:50,467 --> 00:36:51,667
[Shaun] So Donna,

799
00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:53,700
<i>you are sort of complicit</i>

800
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:56,300
in keeping this secret, right?

801
00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:59,000
Oh, no. That's not
for me to tell him.

802
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,200
Think it'll hurt him more
to now know, like,

803
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,700
everyone knew before him.

804
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:05,767
Oh, yeah. 100%.

805
00:37:05,767 --> 00:37:06,767
And that's why I think

806
00:37:06,767 --> 00:37:09,000
I have to, like,
gear myself up

807
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,867
for that conversation.

808
00:37:10,867 --> 00:37:11,867
So it's easier
to tell your mom

809
00:37:11,867 --> 00:37:13,467
'cause you thought
maybe she'll just get angry,

810
00:37:13,467 --> 00:37:15,300
but your dad, you thought
you might break his heart.

811
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:17,567
Yeah. 100%.

812
00:37:17,567 --> 00:37:20,133
[choked up] I'm not saying
that I didn't think

813
00:37:20,667 --> 00:37:22,400
she would be hurt by it.

814
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,066
-Yeah.
-[Jo] But it's a different--

815
00:37:25,066 --> 00:37:26,867
-It's a different kind
of hurt.
-[Corona] For sure.

816
00:37:26,867 --> 00:37:28,000
We have
a different relationship.

817
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,033
[Corona] 100%.

818
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,166
[Shaun] <i>So Donna,</i>

819
00:37:33,166 --> 00:37:34,700
we can tell that you love
your daughter very much

820
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:36,467
-and your new son-in-law.
<i>-</i> [Donna] <i>I do.</i>

821
00:37:36,467 --> 00:37:38,000
Yes, I do.

822
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,867
We appreciate you being here.
Take care.

823
00:37:40,867 --> 00:37:42,767
Good luck to everybody.

824
00:37:42,767 --> 00:37:43,700
Thank you.

825
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:44,667
Bye, Donna.

826
00:37:44,667 --> 00:37:46,100
[all] Bye.

827
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:47,033
Bye.

828
00:37:47,867 --> 00:37:49,100
[Shaun] Joanne and Sean,

829
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:50,600
we hope that you enjoy

830
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,667
having your big,
happy family all together

831
00:37:53,667 --> 00:37:54,834
-here in the States.
-Thank you.

832
00:37:54,834 --> 00:37:56,800
-[Jo and Sean] Thank you.
-[Shaun] We wish you the best.

833
00:37:57,967 --> 00:37:59,367
And no more keeping secrets.

834
00:37:59,367 --> 00:38:01,233
-[Sean chuckles]
-No, we'll try.

835
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,000
Okay, a little break, guys.

836
00:38:10,266 --> 00:38:11,800
Well, that's Donna.

837
00:38:12,166 --> 00:38:13,667
<i>She never has a filter.</i>

838
00:38:13,667 --> 00:38:15,467
She never has a filter.
There's no filter.

839
00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:16,667
<i>It's broken.</i>

840
00:38:16,667 --> 00:38:17,600
<i>She was nice to Sean.</i>

841
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,000
She put all the blame on me.

842
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,200
That's typical. And I took it.

843
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,500
So I was like,
"Yeah, all right, cool".

844
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:23,400
[laughing]
"Let's move forward".

845
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:25,767
Oh, man.

846
00:38:25,767 --> 00:38:27,367
I didn't know
what to expect there...

847
00:38:27,367 --> 00:38:29,867
-I thought it was going to be
a lot rougher, to be honest.
-[Jo and Corona] Yeah.

848
00:38:29,867 --> 00:38:31,867
[James] We see
where your strength
comes from.

849
00:38:31,867 --> 00:38:33,767
-Your mother is
a very strong woman.
-[Corona] Yeah.

850
00:38:33,767 --> 00:38:34,634
[ladies laugh]

851
00:38:34,634 --> 00:38:36,367
-[Corona] Yeah, she is.
-[all agreeing]

852
00:38:36,367 --> 00:38:37,467
[Jo] She means well.

853
00:38:37,467 --> 00:38:38,500
[Corona] She cares about you.

854
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:40,166
It's just...

855
00:38:40,166 --> 00:38:42,400
sometimes the delivery...

856
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,967
Her tongue has no bones.

857
00:38:43,967 --> 00:38:45,367
-[Jo] Nothing.
-We have
a Turkiye saying that...

858
00:38:45,367 --> 00:38:46,700
Nothing. No bones.

859
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:47,967
-[Corona] The Turkiye saying.
-There are
so many Turkish sayings.

860
00:38:47,967 --> 00:38:49,433
[Corona] I seriously want
a book of Turkiye sayings...

861
00:38:49,433 --> 00:38:52,000
-[Sean] Yeah, me too.
-[Corona] ...because
they are [bleep] wild.

862
00:38:55,266 --> 00:38:56,767
Oh, no,
there's the butter stick.

863
00:38:56,767 --> 00:38:58,166
[Jo] There's the butter stick.

864
00:38:58,166 --> 00:38:59,767
[Corona] I think
even the texture of that

865
00:38:59,767 --> 00:39:00,467
would send me.

866
00:39:00,467 --> 00:39:02,166
Like, just biting, like...

867
00:39:02,166 --> 00:39:03,333
[scoffs]

868
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:05,333
Oh, God.

869
00:39:06,166 --> 00:39:07,200
[Shekinah] We're
on a high-protein,

870
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,667
no-carb, no-sugar diet,

871
00:39:08,667 --> 00:39:10,767
-so...
-[Corona] Mm-hmm.

872
00:39:10,767 --> 00:39:12,800
-[Corona] So it hits the spot?
-...it's just
what we're used to.

873
00:39:13,166 --> 00:39:14,934
[Sarper speaking]

874
00:39:17,166 --> 00:39:18,133
[Corona laughing]
What happens?

875
00:39:18,133 --> 00:39:19,867
[Shekinah] I mean,
he instantly gets [bleep]

876
00:39:19,867 --> 00:39:20,667
from eating butter.

877
00:39:20,667 --> 00:39:22,066
-[Corona] Really?
-[Sarper] Yeah.

878
00:39:22,066 --> 00:39:23,800
[Corona] You're saying
butter makes you horny?

879
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,767
-Yeah. Everything.
-Everything makes him horny.
[laughing]

880
00:39:25,767 --> 00:39:27,767
-[Corona laughing] Yeah.
-[James] To be fair, that's...

881
00:39:27,767 --> 00:39:28,900
[laughing] I have
the same problem.

882
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:31,800
Do you want a stick of butter?

883
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,900
Oh, my goodness.

884
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:33,967
[James] Eat the udder butter.

885
00:39:33,967 --> 00:39:35,233
You eat the butter!

886
00:39:35,233 --> 00:39:36,066
-You eat the butter.
-[Corona shrieking]
You eat the butter!

887
00:39:36,066 --> 00:39:37,200
Put the butter in your mouth!

888
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,800
[Shekinah speaking]

889
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,500
I'll try one bite. F it.

890
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:42,400
-Is it cold at least?
-[Shekinah] Yeah.

891
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,767
[Corona] All right.
At least it's cold.

892
00:39:44,767 --> 00:39:46,500
-[Corona] I'm not tempted.
-[Shekinah] James.

893
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:48,467
[James] I'll just try
the back end of hers
when she's done.

894
00:39:48,467 --> 00:39:49,600
Have your own stick.

895
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,767
[James] Oh. Oh.

896
00:39:50,767 --> 00:39:52,200
You're so sweet.

897
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,634
[James] Okay.

898
00:39:57,166 --> 00:39:57,900
[Shekinah] Mm-hmm.

899
00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:58,900
[Sarper speaking]

900
00:40:07,266 --> 00:40:08,900
[bleep] Okay. Hold on.

901
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:12,000
All right. If you're going
to do it, you might as well

902
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,233
just commit to it.

903
00:40:13,667 --> 00:40:14,800
[Corona] That's a big bite!

904
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,567
It's actually not bad.
It's like...

905
00:40:18,567 --> 00:40:19,700
butter ice cream.

906
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:21,467
[Corona] You ate, like,
a quarter stick.

907
00:40:21,467 --> 00:40:22,867
How do you feel?

908
00:40:22,867 --> 00:40:24,367
Good luck tonight.

909
00:40:24,367 --> 00:40:27,266
-[all laughing]
-[indistinct chatter]

910
00:40:27,266 --> 00:40:28,700
[chuckles]

911
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:30,834
[woman chuckles]

912
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:33,033
Commit.

913
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:38,500
[woman chuckling]

914
00:40:44,467 --> 00:40:47,000
Come on.
It's not bad.

915
00:40:48,967 --> 00:40:50,600
No, that's gonna be
a no for me.

916
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,800
But I'm glad I tried.

917
00:40:53,667 --> 00:40:54,600
[woman] Okay.

918
00:40:54,867 --> 00:40:56,500
Come, hold me.

919
00:40:59,567 --> 00:41:01,433
[indistinct chatter]

920
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:16,567
I wanna go back now
to Shekinah and Sarper.

921
00:41:16,567 --> 00:41:18,967
So one of the things
that we discussed, Shekinah,

922
00:41:18,967 --> 00:41:20,500
after you walked off,

923
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:24,166
was the fact that there
were a lot more exchanges

924
00:41:24,166 --> 00:41:27,000
between Sarper and DeeDee

925
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,166
after they shared
that one night together.

926
00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:32,867
Sarper said there were only
maybe two or three
text messages,

927
00:41:32,867 --> 00:41:35,700
and there were actually
a lot more.

928
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:37,900
Let's take a look
at one particular exchange

929
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:40,200
that DD had on her phone
from Sarper,

930
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,700
that no one has seen yet.

931
00:41:43,166 --> 00:41:44,734
Oh, my God.

932
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:48,000
[Shekinah reading]

933
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,600
-[James] Wow.
-[Corona] Ooh.

934
00:41:54,066 --> 00:41:55,400
[bleep] boy.

935
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:59,600
But what's the date on that?
How long?

936
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,767
Before Shekinah.

937
00:42:01,767 --> 00:42:03,300
I mean, I was taking
this photo,

938
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:05,700
-sending to every girls--
-I know.

939
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:08,467
-[chuckling]
-I mean, he had
no standards back then.

940
00:42:08,467 --> 00:42:10,467
He's in shape, though,
I gotta say.

941
00:42:10,467 --> 00:42:12,300
[chuckling] <i>I'm sorry.</i>

942
00:42:12,967 --> 00:42:14,967
Sarper, did you use a filter

943
00:42:14,967 --> 00:42:16,300
-on that photo?
-No.

944
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:18,166
-He doesn't know
how to use filters.
-No.

945
00:42:18,166 --> 00:42:20,667
-[Shaun] No, that was all you?
-Yeah.

946
00:42:20,667 --> 00:42:22,700
-You still look like that?
-Yeah.

947
00:42:23,166 --> 00:42:24,433
Let's see it.

948
00:42:26,467 --> 00:42:28,367
I don't know if I want him
getting undressed.

949
00:42:28,367 --> 00:42:30,533
Like, let's keep
his clothes on, please.

950
00:42:36,367 --> 00:42:37,266
Yeah!

951
00:42:37,266 --> 00:42:39,600
-[laughs]
-Oh, it's what she wants now?

952
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,900
-And I'm like sitting here...
-[all chuckling]

953
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:44,934
Well, let's see
who he prioritizes
in this moment.

954
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:48,000
Let's have a show!

955
00:42:48,266 --> 00:42:51,000
[all chuckling]

956
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,100
He had me dissolve
all my fillers.

957
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,567
So your face now
is filler-less?

958
00:42:58,567 --> 00:43:01,600
-Correct, except for my lips.
-[laughing] I'm sorry. I...

959
00:43:02,467 --> 00:43:04,133
But, like, maybe it is.

960
00:43:13,767 --> 00:43:16,734
I'm already very triggered.
Like, let's keep his
clothes on, please.

961
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,667
I mean, it's literally just
two buttons away

962
00:43:19,667 --> 00:43:21,967
-from that shirt being off.
-[all chuckling]

963
00:43:21,967 --> 00:43:24,066
If you take it off,
I'm taking my dress off.

964
00:43:24,066 --> 00:43:25,467
Okay, then,
definitely take it off.

965
00:43:25,467 --> 00:43:27,333
-[James] Go, go, go, go!
-[all chuckling]

966
00:43:35,567 --> 00:43:38,867
Shekinah, are you being
a little possessive
in this moment?

967
00:43:38,867 --> 00:43:41,767
Yeah. I mean, I feel like,
he was just exposed...

968
00:43:41,767 --> 00:43:43,367
-[chuckling]
-[Shekinah] ...on the screen,

969
00:43:43,367 --> 00:43:45,467
and it's in another woman's
text messages.

970
00:43:45,467 --> 00:43:49,200
It's like, I'm sure
more than 2,500 people
are watching,

971
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,166
-so no, let's not
give them a show.
-[chuckles]

972
00:43:52,166 --> 00:43:54,967
Shekinah, how soon
after you and Sarper met,

973
00:43:54,967 --> 00:43:56,834
did he send you a sexy photo?

974
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,166
Um, the very same night...

975
00:43:59,166 --> 00:44:01,000
[chuckling]

976
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,734
...on my way home.
I didn't even get home yet.

977
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:08,500
[chuckling]

978
00:44:15,367 --> 00:44:16,800
"Here's a gift,

979
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,867
-and thanks."
-A parting gift.

980
00:44:18,867 --> 00:44:20,667
Is that what the photo is?

981
00:44:20,667 --> 00:44:23,400
A "thank you
for a good night"?

982
00:44:23,767 --> 00:44:25,333
[Sarper speaking]

983
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,133
So multiple women
got that photo?

984
00:44:46,667 --> 00:44:49,634
What made you
have that disconnect
from sex and love?

985
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:15,967
[chuckles softly]

986
00:45:15,967 --> 00:45:19,000
But then your dad
also gave you, like,

987
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,166
crazy advice
during that situation.

988
00:45:21,166 --> 00:45:23,767
He was like, "You can
never trust any woman,"

989
00:45:23,767 --> 00:45:26,100
-and I think
Sarper took that...
-He told you that at 13?

990
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:27,667
-[Shekinah] ...to the heart.
-Yeah.

991
00:45:27,667 --> 00:45:28,700
Wow.

992
00:45:30,867 --> 00:45:31,834
[Sarper speaking]

993
00:45:35,266 --> 00:45:36,200
Are you sure?

994
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:39,400
[Shekinah] Starting when?
Like, last week?

995
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,634
[Shekinah] When?
When did that start?

996
00:45:52,266 --> 00:45:53,900
[Shaun] Okay, one more thing
to clear up

997
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:56,100
with Shekinah back on stage...

998
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:58,800
We heard earlier
that you got in touch with DD

999
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,367
last November,

1000
00:46:00,367 --> 00:46:02,467
after you were with Shekinah.

1001
00:46:02,467 --> 00:46:05,066
You were asking DD
if she was in Turkey.

1002
00:46:05,066 --> 00:46:06,900
Why did you ask that question?

1003
00:46:08,066 --> 00:46:09,533
[Sarper speaking]

1004
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:21,233
[Corona] You wanted it
to be someone
that you slept with?

1005
00:46:27,266 --> 00:46:29,467
-How does she know you
better from everyone?
-[all laughing]

1006
00:46:29,467 --> 00:46:31,266
-[James] You did not
just say that.
-[laughing]

1007
00:46:31,266 --> 00:46:33,367
Is she a therapist
that you slept with?

1008
00:46:33,367 --> 00:46:35,500
Or... I don't understand
what's going on.

1009
00:46:37,767 --> 00:46:40,133
[Corona] That just so happens
to be a therapist.

1010
00:46:44,367 --> 00:46:46,934
Yes, not from someone
you slept with.

1011
00:46:48,266 --> 00:46:49,400
We didn't talk...

1012
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,266
I didn't think I would
have to say that.

1013
00:46:52,266 --> 00:46:54,900
It can't be a therapist
that you [bleep], Sarper.

1014
00:46:56,367 --> 00:46:58,600
What the heck?

1015
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,667
I'm just confused.

1016
00:46:59,667 --> 00:47:01,500
-[chuckling]
-I don't know
what's going on. What?

1017
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:03,066
I'm speechless.

1018
00:47:06,467 --> 00:47:10,900
There was an incident
where Meitalia accused James
of cheating.

1019
00:47:14,467 --> 00:47:16,700
As a married man,
my eyes were wandering.

1020
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:18,200
[gasping] What?

1021
00:47:30,767 --> 00:47:32,467
A couple of days ago?

1022
00:47:32,467 --> 00:47:33,700
Is that true?

1023
00:47:41,667 --> 00:47:44,000
How would you feel
if I called a guy

1024
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,567
that I previously slept with
and said,

1025
00:47:45,567 --> 00:47:47,166
"Can you come and give
relationship advice

1026
00:47:47,166 --> 00:47:48,467
to me and my boyfriend?"

1027
00:47:48,467 --> 00:47:49,967
How would you feel...

1028
00:47:49,967 --> 00:47:53,233
knowing I'd slept
with that person
who's giving you advice?

1029
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:56,800
I would feel so disrespectful.

1030
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,166
I will make you imagine that
because you should.

1031
00:47:59,166 --> 00:48:01,400
-You imagine me doing it.
-Mmm-mmm.

1032
00:48:03,266 --> 00:48:05,166
[Shaun] Okay, let's move on.

1033
00:48:05,166 --> 00:48:08,133
I wanna talk
about another topic...

1034
00:48:08,967 --> 00:48:10,934
-your nose, Shekinah.
-Oh.

1035
00:48:14,367 --> 00:48:16,033
You look absolutely beautiful.

1036
00:48:16,867 --> 00:48:17,900
I'm sorry?

1037
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:19,800
[chuckles softly]

1038
00:48:21,767 --> 00:48:23,667
What a weird thing to say.

1039
00:48:23,667 --> 00:48:26,000
[James] Way to go,
Michelangelo.

1040
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,133
What did you think
wasn't working about
her nose, Sarper?

1041
00:48:36,667 --> 00:48:38,667
Mmm-hmm.

1042
00:48:38,667 --> 00:48:40,967
[Shekinah] So at first,
he was very against me
having the surgery,

1043
00:48:40,967 --> 00:48:42,667
but I... I was gonna do it

1044
00:48:42,667 --> 00:48:44,500
regardless of what he thought

1045
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:47,367
because it's my body,
at the end of the day,

1046
00:48:47,367 --> 00:48:50,266
and I'd already had
two surgeries... on my nose,

1047
00:48:50,266 --> 00:48:53,467
and he's like, "Well,
whatever you're doing
isn't working,

1048
00:48:53,467 --> 00:48:54,467
so let me intervene.

1049
00:48:54,467 --> 00:48:56,367
I'm gonna help with this one,

1050
00:48:56,367 --> 00:48:58,266
so it can be your last
nose surgery."

1051
00:48:58,266 --> 00:49:00,467
So he... "designed" my nose.

1052
00:49:00,467 --> 00:49:02,800
I mean, I like... to her face,

1053
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,033
it's smaller. I like...

1054
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:08,200
I mean, it's not like... so...

1055
00:49:09,767 --> 00:49:12,467
In Turkey, a lot of the noses
were little Barbie noses,

1056
00:49:12,467 --> 00:49:14,300
-up-turned, super tiny.
-[Sarper] Like this.

1057
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:16,600
[Shekinah] And he didn't want
that to be my result, so...

1058
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,066
I think that's
one of the reasons

1059
00:49:18,066 --> 00:49:18,967
why he intervened.

1060
00:49:18,967 --> 00:49:20,300
He wanted it more natural.

1061
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:22,800
I think that's amazing
'cause most people
who get plastic surgery

1062
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,800
-don't ask for
the other person's input.
-[Shekinah] Yeah.

1063
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,000
And, of course,
he was excited to help.

1064
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,500
[all chuckling]

1065
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:29,734
I mean, it looks good.

1066
00:49:29,734 --> 00:49:31,166
-You did a good job.
-[James] You obviously
like it, right?

1067
00:49:31,166 --> 00:49:33,567
-I like it. Yes.
-[Joanne] You could
design noses

1068
00:49:33,567 --> 00:49:35,367
while you're here
in the United States.

1069
00:49:35,367 --> 00:49:37,300
[all chuckling]

1070
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:39,967
Is there anything else
you would like Shekinah to do?

1071
00:49:39,967 --> 00:49:40,600
[Sarper speaking]

1072
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,900
-[Shaun] Perfect?
-Yeah.

1073
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:43,133
-[chuckling]
-[Shaun] The way she is?

1074
00:49:48,767 --> 00:49:50,467
-Oh, [scoffs]
-[James] Oh!

1075
00:49:50,467 --> 00:49:51,900
[Sarper continues]

1076
00:49:57,900 --> 00:49:59,867
He had me dissolve
all my fillers.

1077
00:49:59,867 --> 00:50:01,667
And that was...
I mean, everything

1078
00:50:01,667 --> 00:50:03,634
-he's told me to do--
-So your face now
is filler-less?

1079
00:50:04,266 --> 00:50:05,767
Correct, except for my lips.

1080
00:50:05,767 --> 00:50:07,300
But everything
he's told me to do

1081
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:09,266
has worked in my favor,
I think,

1082
00:50:09,266 --> 00:50:12,200
and has made me
look and feel more confident
and beautiful,

1083
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,467
so I trust him.

1084
00:50:13,467 --> 00:50:14,967
That's why I trusted him to...

1085
00:50:14,967 --> 00:50:16,166
have an input about my nose.

1086
00:50:16,166 --> 00:50:18,600
Corona, what was that
eye-roll I just saw?

1087
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,000
[laughing] I'm sorry. I...

1088
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,367
But, like, maybe it is.
I don't... who...
what do I know?

1089
00:50:23,367 --> 00:50:25,367
Just the cheeks and the chin,
I'm not sure,

1090
00:50:25,367 --> 00:50:28,200
but, like, if you say it,
then I believe you. Sure.

1091
00:50:29,867 --> 00:50:30,967
Okay. Yeah.

1092
00:50:30,967 --> 00:50:33,266
I mean, my cheeks and chin
are mine.

1093
00:50:33,266 --> 00:50:36,600
I don't have filler there.
I don't have implants.

1094
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,000
[Corona] <i>I've seen what</i>
<i>your face looked like</i>
<i>before all this,</i>

1095
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,000
<i>and I don't think</i>
<i>all that filler is dissolved.</i>

1096
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,900
I mean, you're entitled
to your opinion.

1097
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:49,600
I know the facts,
though, so...

1098
00:50:50,567 --> 00:50:51,667
And I like it better.

1099
00:50:51,667 --> 00:50:53,834
I feel like I look... softer.

1100
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:56,433
Mmm-hmm.

1101
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:02,600
[Shaun] Shekinah, do you have
any other plans to change
your appearance?

1102
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,600
Or are you happy
with how you look now?

1103
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,500
[Shekinah] Um, well,
Sarper's getting a tattoo

1104
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:08,667
on our wedding day
of my lips on his neck,

1105
00:51:08,667 --> 00:51:10,700
and I'm getting his name
on my neck.

1106
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:13,133
-You're getting his name
tattooed on your neck?
-[James] Wow.

1107
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:16,600
Don't do it!

1108
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,100
Looking at it from
a metaphysical standpoint,

1109
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:21,166
a name does come with...

1110
00:51:21,166 --> 00:51:23,100
some generational trauma,

1111
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:24,767
some past life--

1112
00:51:24,767 --> 00:51:27,867
Like, everything
is tied together energetically

1113
00:51:27,867 --> 00:51:31,000
and so, I personally
wouldn't do it.

1114
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,700
Well, I just like that
his name means "trust."

1115
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:33,867
I like the meaning of it.

1116
00:51:33,867 --> 00:51:34,667
-So write "trust".
-[Corona] Yeah.

1117
00:51:34,667 --> 00:51:36,166
I just want it
to be more personal.

1118
00:51:36,166 --> 00:51:38,266
And I love his name,
so... I want...

1119
00:51:38,266 --> 00:51:39,900
I want it. I want it,
like, right here.

1120
00:51:42,967 --> 00:51:44,667
I said, don't do it,
by the way.

1121
00:51:44,667 --> 00:51:46,900
-Yeah.
-I mean, I'm not supportive
of this.

1122
00:51:48,166 --> 00:51:50,333
I mean, I want it,
like, this long.

1123
00:51:51,867 --> 00:51:52,700
Yeah.

1124
00:51:55,066 --> 00:51:57,100
That means you're not
all in, then.

1125
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:59,300
[Joanne] Every single person
that I know,

1126
00:51:59,300 --> 00:52:01,767
and I have a lot of
tattooed people around me,

1127
00:52:01,767 --> 00:52:04,166
they get a name,
they get divorced.

1128
00:52:04,166 --> 00:52:06,400
It's almost a bad juju thing.
Once you get the name...

1129
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,967
-[Joanne] Done.
-...it kind of starts
to take things.

1130
00:52:07,967 --> 00:52:10,367
I don't believe that
that means that will happen
for me.

1131
00:52:10,367 --> 00:52:12,300
And I also believe
in manifestation.

1132
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:14,867
So if I'm gonna go
into it saying, "I'm not gonna
do this

1133
00:52:14,867 --> 00:52:16,266
-because something
might happen..."
-Yeah.

1134
00:52:16,266 --> 00:52:18,300
...that's manifesting
something happening,

1135
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:20,300
So if I'm gonna go into it
and say, "Nothing will happen.

1136
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:22,900
-I'm making this level
of commitment for you..."
-Yeah.

1137
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:25,634
...then I'm manifesting
something better, so...

1138
00:52:27,166 --> 00:52:28,667
[Shaun] As you plan
for the future,

1139
00:52:28,667 --> 00:52:30,700
we wanna take
another quick look back.

1140
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:34,066
We want to show you some
never-before-seen footage

1141
00:52:34,066 --> 00:52:36,467
from Shekinah's time
in Turkey.

1142
00:52:36,467 --> 00:52:39,700
She and Sarper had
a unique dining experience.

1143
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:40,900
Let's watch.

1144
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:43,066
[Sarper] This is
one of my favorites.

1145
00:52:43,066 --> 00:52:44,400
-Really?
-[Sarper] Yeah.

1146
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,467
-What's it called?
-Shirdan.

1147
00:52:46,467 --> 00:52:48,000
What's it made out of?

1148
00:52:49,367 --> 00:52:51,667
Don't ask it.
Just eat it, baby.

1149
00:52:51,667 --> 00:52:53,300
-Yeah.
-"Don't ask"?

1150
00:52:56,367 --> 00:53:00,400
I don't know
what she will think
when she sees it.

1151
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:05,634
[Shekinah] Oh, my God.

1152
00:53:06,667 --> 00:53:08,300
What is this?

1153
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:11,266
It looks a little strange,

1154
00:53:11,266 --> 00:53:13,300
<i>but it is so delicious.</i>
<i>I love it.</i>

1155
00:53:16,967 --> 00:53:19,600
Babe, what in the world?
Ugh.

1156
00:53:20,367 --> 00:53:23,567
Is this, like, the [bleep]
of an animal?

1157
00:53:23,567 --> 00:53:25,967
-[Sarper] I will show you
how to eat it.
-[laughing]

1158
00:53:25,967 --> 00:53:27,500
-Oh, no.
-I don't know
if I want to eat this.

1159
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:28,567
[chuckling]

1160
00:53:28,567 --> 00:53:29,567
For me.

1161
00:53:29,567 --> 00:53:31,834
But it is eaten by hands.

1162
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:33,600
Oh, my God.

1163
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,567
Put it down.

1164
00:53:35,567 --> 00:53:37,300
-No, babe...
-Don't touch that.

1165
00:53:37,667 --> 00:53:38,800
Come here.

1166
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,066
No, it looks like
the worst [bleep]
I've ever seen.

1167
00:53:42,066 --> 00:53:44,367
I don't wanna see you
eat it either.

1168
00:53:44,367 --> 00:53:46,500
Ugh. What is happening? Ah!

1169
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,700
-What is happening.
-[Sarper] Delicious.

1170
00:53:52,166 --> 00:53:54,500
And what is... Shirdan?

1171
00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:59,367
-Oh.
-Yeah, it's...

1172
00:53:59,367 --> 00:54:01,166
But it looks
like a penis. Yeah.

1173
00:54:01,166 --> 00:54:02,200
It's so gross.

1174
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,600
[all chuckling]

1175
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,467
[Shaun] Okay...

1176
00:54:06,467 --> 00:54:09,967
Shekinah and Sarper,
it seems that you still have
some things to work out,

1177
00:54:09,967 --> 00:54:13,367
but the clock is ticking
on your K-1 visa.

1178
00:54:13,367 --> 00:54:17,266
We'll see if the 90-day period
ends with you saying
your "I do's."

1179
00:54:17,266 --> 00:54:19,800
-Thank you so much.
-[Shaun] And we wish you
the very best the best.

1180
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,867
I want to go back now
to James and Meitalia.

1181
00:54:23,867 --> 00:54:26,467
Now, James, earlier,
you mentioned that,
like Sarper,

1182
00:54:26,467 --> 00:54:30,100
you are not allowed
to have any female friends.

1183
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,066
-I'm only allowed
to have male friends. Yes.
-[Shaun] Oh. Okay.

1184
00:54:32,066 --> 00:54:34,700
And all of my female friends
that I did have
when we first met

1185
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:37,567
-are gone from my life.
-[Shaun] So, no female friends

1186
00:54:37,567 --> 00:54:39,567
from... from your work,

1187
00:54:39,567 --> 00:54:41,367
-career, or high school?
-[James] Nope.

1188
00:54:41,367 --> 00:54:43,166
-[Shaun] None?
-[James] None.
Absolutely zero.

1189
00:54:43,166 --> 00:54:45,266
Because she doesn't
want you to?

1190
00:54:45,266 --> 00:54:47,000
Not because...

1191
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,900
No, it's not just because she
doesn't want me to.

1192
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:51,367
She said she didn't
want me to,

1193
00:54:51,367 --> 00:54:52,967
and out of respect for that,

1194
00:54:52,967 --> 00:54:55,667
I separated myself
from those people.

1195
00:54:55,667 --> 00:54:57,867
And I even let them know,
like, I'm doing this...

1196
00:54:57,867 --> 00:54:59,400
"Yeah, I have no animosity
towards you.

1197
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,967
I'm just letting you know
you know, I'm with someone..."

1198
00:55:01,967 --> 00:55:04,066
-[Shaun] Okay.
-..."and this is what I think
is healthy for us."

1199
00:55:04,066 --> 00:55:08,367
I feel like if your man
talking to other women,

1200
00:55:08,367 --> 00:55:12,600
that's not for a job or like,
for something like that.

1201
00:55:13,567 --> 00:55:16,667
Like, why you need
to talk to this woman...

1202
00:55:16,667 --> 00:55:19,667
-about something else,
you know?
-Mmm.

1203
00:55:19,667 --> 00:55:22,600
-[Meitalia] So...
-I shouldn't be talking about
my... our personal,

1204
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,800
-my personal life
or our personal life...
-Yes.

1205
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,033
...with any other woman.

1206
00:55:26,033 --> 00:55:28,767
If I have personal issues
I want to talk to
anybody about,

1207
00:55:28,767 --> 00:55:30,700
-I should talk to her
about it.
-Yes.

1208
00:55:31,967 --> 00:55:35,567
[Shaun] Trust and jealousy
has been a big issue
for James and Tatha,

1209
00:55:35,567 --> 00:55:39,467
and we need to talk
about something that happened
a few months back.

1210
00:55:39,467 --> 00:55:44,100
There was an incident
where Meitalia accused James
of cheating.

1211
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,500
[gasping] What?

1212
00:55:52,367 --> 00:55:55,367
Vivian, you said at first
that you did not believe

1213
00:55:55,367 --> 00:55:57,300
this marriage would last.

1214
00:55:57,667 --> 00:55:59,033
How do you feel today?

1215
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:18,300
[Shaun] Meitalia accused James
of cheating.

1216
00:56:21,367 --> 00:56:23,200
She spoke to her sister
about it,

1217
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,000
but it's never been seen

1218
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,400
until now. Let's take a look.

1219
00:56:29,166 --> 00:56:30,033
[exhales]

1220
00:56:31,166 --> 00:56:33,166
[speaking Indonesian]

1221
00:56:33,166 --> 00:56:34,100
Mmm.

1222
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:35,700
[both conversing
in Indonesian]

1223
00:56:43,867 --> 00:56:45,166
[gasps]

1224
00:57:12,667 --> 00:57:14,667
[in English] If you're looking
for someone else,

1225
00:57:14,667 --> 00:57:17,767
when you have a partner

1226
00:57:17,767 --> 00:57:20,700
laying beside you,

1227
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:22,367
<i>that's cheating.</i>

1228
00:57:22,367 --> 00:57:23,700
<i>And in the past,</i>

1229
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:25,000
<i>if someone cheated on me,</i>

1230
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:29,100
But I love James.

1231
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:33,233
So, I willing to do
anything for him.

1232
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,000
But it still hurt
through this day.

1233
00:57:40,967 --> 00:57:41,867
[Shaun] All right.

1234
00:57:41,867 --> 00:57:43,100
Let me ask the cast.

1235
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:45,700
Who here thinks James cheated?

1236
00:57:46,266 --> 00:57:47,400
-[Joanne and Shekinah] No.
-Nope.

1237
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:48,433
-[Joanne] Absolutely not.
-[Shekinah] No.

1238
00:57:48,433 --> 00:57:49,934
-[Joanne] I'm sorry. Mmm-mmm.
-It's ridiculous.

1239
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,867
[James] For me, it was
a laughable thing.

1240
00:57:52,867 --> 00:57:55,000
I'm like, "Why are you
even mad?" Like, it's...

1241
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,166
It's literally just
every video...

1242
00:57:57,166 --> 00:57:59,500
[chuckling] on the Internet,
any kind of social media.

1243
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:01,634
[Shekinah] Poor James.
He can't catch a break.

1244
00:58:05,166 --> 00:58:06,300
It...

1245
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:07,800
You just swipe "next"...

1246
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:08,967
No, no!

1247
00:58:15,667 --> 00:58:17,600
-Okay, so because
I was following...
-So, you're like--

1248
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,800
So if I'm following,
is that cheating?

1249
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,166
If I'm following--

1250
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:30,400
[Corona] I don't know
if it's necessarily cheating,

1251
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,300
but maybe he, like,
overstepped boundaries

1252
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:34,300
that you laid down for him,

1253
00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:35,634
which I can see why
that would be upsetting
for you,

1254
00:58:35,634 --> 00:58:37,467
if you were like,
"Hey, don't look at girls.
Don't follow girls,"

1255
00:58:37,467 --> 00:58:39,600
whatever y'all's dynamic
is with that.

1256
00:58:39,967 --> 00:58:43,166
So... James, why...

1257
00:58:43,166 --> 00:58:45,000
Why were you following
the women?

1258
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:46,867
Um...

1259
00:58:46,867 --> 00:58:49,233
probably because they were
dancing in bikinis.

1260
00:58:50,767 --> 00:58:52,667
-[Corona] Well, now...
-[James] I'm gonna be honest
about it.

1261
00:58:52,667 --> 00:58:55,767
-Okay, I think you've just
lost Shekinah's support.
-[Corona] Well... Yeah.

1262
00:58:55,767 --> 00:58:58,000
-Mine, too, honestly.
-But to be honest [bleeping]

1263
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,000
Why? I mean, why else would I
be following these people?
I mean...

1264
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,867
Do you think that's respectful
to your wife?

1265
00:59:03,867 --> 00:59:05,166
No. And you know,

1266
00:59:05,166 --> 00:59:07,166
that's why in the moment,
I didn't understand it.

1267
00:59:07,166 --> 00:59:08,867
For me, I only
dated Americans,

1268
00:59:08,867 --> 00:59:10,700
so, like, I didn't know...

1269
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:12,333
that that was something
that's gonna be an issue.

1270
00:59:14,567 --> 00:59:16,000
-Yeah.
-Shekinah, you can speak.

1271
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,166
All these are
American woman, so...

1272
00:59:18,166 --> 00:59:19,800
they have a problem with it.

1273
00:59:20,367 --> 00:59:21,867
How did you fix this?

1274
00:59:21,867 --> 00:59:24,266
Uh, I deleted
that social media,

1275
00:59:24,266 --> 00:59:25,900
and I did apologize for it.

1276
00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:27,033
I have apologized since,

1277
00:59:27,033 --> 00:59:29,867
because it took me
probably like six months
to a year

1278
00:59:29,867 --> 00:59:32,166
to even understand
why it bothered her.

1279
00:59:32,166 --> 00:59:33,500
And now I understand
she's mad

1280
00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:36,166
because she felt like my eyes
were not for her.

1281
00:59:36,166 --> 00:59:37,900
They were for other...
My eyes were wandering.

1282
00:59:37,900 --> 00:59:40,100
-She was sharing
your attention.
-[Meitalia and James] Yes.

1283
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:42,467
Since then,
he never do it again.

1284
00:59:42,467 --> 00:59:44,567
And she has every password,

1285
00:59:44,567 --> 00:59:45,900
[chuckling] to every account.

1286
00:59:45,900 --> 00:59:48,800
She has access to every
single thing in my phone
anytime she wants.

1287
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,600
-[Corona chuckles]
-Yeah.

1288
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,634
And my location.

1289
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,266
Yeah, your whole body
should belong to your woman.

1290
01:00:06,266 --> 01:00:07,433
I mean...

1291
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,300
So you're objectifying women.

1292
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:43,567
-[all laughing]
-To be fair,
that's what it is.

1293
01:00:43,567 --> 01:00:46,667
And I was probably guilty
of that in what I was doing,

1294
01:00:46,667 --> 01:00:49,400
so, there's no other way
to cut that.

1295
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:50,634
That's exactly
what it was doing.

1296
01:00:50,634 --> 01:00:53,667
If I'm watching
that kind of thing,
I am objectifying women.

1297
01:00:53,667 --> 01:00:55,133
And it's not fair
for me to do.

1298
01:00:55,133 --> 01:00:57,266
If that's what they wanna do
with their body, that's fine
for them to do,

1299
01:00:57,266 --> 01:01:00,300
but as a married man,
who knows where his wife

1300
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:04,100
has put the line
and what she considers
acceptable,

1301
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:05,600
I have to respect that.

1302
01:01:08,367 --> 01:01:10,967
[Shaun] Okay, let's talk
about the future.

1303
01:01:10,967 --> 01:01:14,667
James, you've suggested
that you would return
to Indonesia

1304
01:01:14,667 --> 01:01:18,200
once you became stable
financially.

1305
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,600
Have you established
a plan and timeline
for a permanent move there?

1306
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,367
Yup, it was supposed
to be six months
when we first came back

1307
01:01:25,367 --> 01:01:27,667
but I ended up
having some money issues,

1308
01:01:27,667 --> 01:01:30,066
so that reset us back
to the six-month mark.

1309
01:01:30,066 --> 01:01:31,500
So six months from now?

1310
01:01:31,867 --> 01:01:32,967
Yup.

1311
01:01:32,967 --> 01:01:36,300
I waited three years,
I can wait another six months.

1312
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:37,834
[Shaun] All right.

1313
01:01:37,834 --> 01:01:41,266
James and Meitalia,
wherever you end up living,

1314
01:01:41,266 --> 01:01:44,367
the most important thing
is that you are together.

1315
01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:46,767
Good luck with your future.

1316
01:01:46,767 --> 01:01:48,600
[both] Thank you.

1317
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,433
These crazy kids
are gonna make it.

1318
01:01:52,066 --> 01:01:53,800
[Shaun] Okay.
A little break, guys.

1319
01:02:05,367 --> 01:02:06,767
[Sarper] 100%.

1320
01:02:06,767 --> 01:02:08,200
[Shekinah] Yeah.

1321
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,266
-And, like, I looked up to him
since last season.
-[Shekinah] Yeah. Aw.

1322
01:02:10,266 --> 01:02:15,300
I know Tatha can be a little
a little jealous sometimes.
Would she let you watch porn?

1323
01:02:18,667 --> 01:02:22,500
No. On certain social medias,
there were all these girls
dancing and stuff.

1324
01:02:22,500 --> 01:02:25,266
I was demanded
to get rid of that

1325
01:02:25,266 --> 01:02:27,066
after she told me she was
gonna break up with me

1326
01:02:27,066 --> 01:02:31,367
and that she wanted to leave
and go back to Indonesia...

1327
01:02:31,367 --> 01:02:34,200
So you're not allowed
to follow any girls
on social media, basically?

1328
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,767
No, I'm not allowed to have
specific social medias.

1329
01:02:37,767 --> 01:02:40,300
[Shekinah] Why do you
have to say "Not allowed"?

1330
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:43,367
Is it something
you want to do
and you just can't?

1331
01:02:43,367 --> 01:02:45,166
Like, why do you
want to do that?

1332
01:02:45,166 --> 01:02:47,400
-There wasn't anything--
-[Corona] She's behind you.

1333
01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:49,066
Um, but...

1334
01:02:50,667 --> 01:02:51,900
I don't wanna continue
the conversation,

1335
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:53,400
you have no idea
that we're talking about you.

1336
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,400
-So, that's what
the conversation...
-Yeah.

1337
01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:58,967
You did appear out of nowhere.

1338
01:02:58,967 --> 01:03:00,567
So it's like I just
whispered one thing

1339
01:03:00,567 --> 01:03:02,667
and boom, you're here.

1340
01:03:02,667 --> 01:03:05,100
-Can he watch porn?
-No.

1341
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:06,767
I mean, he can
watch it with me.

1342
01:03:06,767 --> 01:03:07,767
Okay.

1343
01:03:07,767 --> 01:03:09,500
-But not alone.
-Fair.

1344
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:10,634
What?

1345
01:03:13,066 --> 01:03:16,200
-Yeah...
-What?

1346
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,867
Is this your first time
figuring this out?

1347
01:03:17,867 --> 01:03:19,900
We have never
talked about this once

1348
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:21,600
in our entire relationship.

1349
01:03:23,767 --> 01:03:25,367
[Meitalia] I just don't want
you to watch it by yourself

1350
01:03:25,367 --> 01:03:27,567
and you're imagining
about that girl.

1351
01:03:27,567 --> 01:03:28,567
You know what I mean?

1352
01:03:32,266 --> 01:03:35,700
Okay, so if we were
to watch a video together,

1353
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:38,400
what would you
want it to have?

1354
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,800
-Just girls.
-Like, all girls?

1355
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,634
Or, like, one guy,
multiple guys, like, what--

1356
01:03:45,467 --> 01:03:46,867
One guy, one girl?

1357
01:03:46,867 --> 01:03:48,300
And then they're just doing,
like, missionary,

1358
01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:50,166
like, dressed
in church attire and like--

1359
01:03:50,166 --> 01:03:52,900
Oh, don't mock her.
Like, that's her preference.

1360
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:55,166
You guys are a couple,
she wants to see
another couple.

1361
01:03:55,166 --> 01:03:56,367
Appreciate it,
don't make fun of her.

1362
01:03:56,367 --> 01:03:57,500
I know, how has this
never come up before?

1363
01:03:57,500 --> 01:03:58,667
[Corona speaking]

1364
01:03:58,667 --> 01:03:59,300
Exactly.

1365
01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:10,100
Well, here's my question.

1366
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:13,266
Like what's the difference
between the choice

1367
01:04:13,266 --> 01:04:16,266
of watching it together
and me watching it alone?

1368
01:04:16,266 --> 01:04:20,300
If we're both watching it,
what is it you're visualizing
about it?

1369
01:04:23,667 --> 01:04:25,233
I like this. Okay.

1370
01:04:26,967 --> 01:04:29,066
[Shekinah] You
made his day, Tatha.

1371
01:04:29,066 --> 01:04:31,333
He now knows you can watch
porn together.

1372
01:04:35,667 --> 01:04:37,166
I think it is. I'm excited.

1373
01:04:37,166 --> 01:04:40,834
Yeah, you guys have opened
some new tools in your, like,
sexual playbooks.

1374
01:04:44,266 --> 01:04:45,500
[James] All righty.

1375
01:05:00,767 --> 01:05:04,266
I wanna loop back in now
with Josh and Lily.

1376
01:05:04,266 --> 01:05:08,100
One person who had concerns
about Josh moving to China
and leaving everything behind

1377
01:05:08,100 --> 01:05:09,867
was his brother Jarod.

1378
01:05:09,867 --> 01:05:13,266
Jarod visited them
and had a a firsthand look

1379
01:05:13,266 --> 01:05:15,400
at how Josh and Lily
were faring.

1380
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,600
Now he is here
to shed some light

1381
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,100
on the dynamics
of their relationship.

1382
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:25,667
Please welcome
Josh's brother, Jarod.
Jarod, come on out.

1383
01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:27,066
-Hi, Jarod.
-[Jarod] Hi!

1384
01:05:27,066 --> 01:05:28,266
Say hi to your brother.

1385
01:05:28,266 --> 01:05:30,166
-[Jarod] Hey, how's it going?
-Awesome.

1386
01:05:30,166 --> 01:05:31,400
[Jarod] Good to see you, man.

1387
01:05:34,266 --> 01:05:36,033
[Jarod] Hi, how are you
on the screen?

1388
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,266
We miss you too.

1389
01:05:39,266 --> 01:05:40,367
[Shaun] Aw, very sweet.

1390
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,700
Wow. Yeah, she certainly
was happy when she saw Jarod.

1391
01:05:49,967 --> 01:05:51,634
Yes, okay.

1392
01:05:55,467 --> 01:05:59,900
Well, Jarod, I've been shocked
about some of the things
that I've heard

1393
01:05:59,900 --> 01:06:02,767
between Josh and Lily
in their relationship.

1394
01:06:02,767 --> 01:06:07,500
What do you see that Lily
could be doing differently

1395
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:09,433
that would make
the relationship better?

1396
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:14,667
Well, I think you know, Lily,
he has some frustrations like,

1397
01:06:14,667 --> 01:06:18,800
"Hey, could we stop
talking about money?"

1398
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,800
But I don't see
Lily's waking up,
though, going,

1399
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,166
"Oh, you know what I'ma do?

1400
01:06:23,166 --> 01:06:25,266
Two o'clock today,
I'm gonna hit him with that
money thing again."

1401
01:06:25,266 --> 01:06:27,133
I don't see her doing that.

1402
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:29,500
But just to be aware,

1403
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:33,300
and I think that's what's
so awesome about having
this conversation.

1404
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:35,667
The fact that we're creating
this awareness.

1405
01:06:35,667 --> 01:06:38,367
You are the optimist.

1406
01:06:38,367 --> 01:06:40,266
You could be
a motivational speaker

1407
01:06:40,266 --> 01:06:42,000
or a couples therapist.

1408
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,166
[Shaun] So we saw Jarod trying
to help Josh and Lily
communicate better,

1409
01:06:49,166 --> 01:06:52,867
while Lily's daughter
was skeptical
of the relationship.

1410
01:06:52,867 --> 01:06:56,967
Connecting from China,
please welcome Vivian,
Lily's daughter.

1411
01:06:56,967 --> 01:06:58,700
Hi, Vivian. Can you hear me?

1412
01:06:59,100 --> 01:07:00,266
[Vivian speaking]

1413
01:07:00,266 --> 01:07:01,300
[Shaun] You said at first

1414
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:05,000
that you did not believe
this marriage would last.

1415
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,400
How do you feel today?

1416
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,300
[Sarper] Oh, my God.

1417
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:36,400
[people laughing]

1418
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,800
Oh, my God.

1419
01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:50,700
What is happening?

1420
01:07:59,467 --> 01:08:01,900
She continued to say
some hurtful things,

1421
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:04,600
and I reached out
to an attorney.

1422
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,367
-You are serious, then?
-Yes.

1423
01:08:06,367 --> 01:08:07,533
Josh!

1424
01:08:26,133 --> 01:08:30,100
All right, let Josh respond.

1425
01:08:32,567 --> 01:08:36,467
Because I want it to be
more than just angry sex.

1426
01:08:36,467 --> 01:08:38,266
I want it to be
more emotional,

1427
01:08:38,266 --> 01:08:41,667
I want us to be truly happy
and loving in that moment
to do it.

1428
01:08:41,667 --> 01:08:42,734
I want it to be special.

1429
01:08:42,734 --> 01:08:44,367
So why don't you
have sex with her then,

1430
01:08:44,367 --> 01:08:46,667
in those moments
when you're being loving?

1431
01:08:46,667 --> 01:08:49,100
Does every time
have to be this, like,

1432
01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:52,133
storybook, like,
"Let me braid her hair

1433
01:08:52,133 --> 01:08:54,600
and, like, whisper
sweet nothings in her ear"?

1434
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,066
-Like just get to business.
-What about a little quickie
every now and then?

1435
01:08:58,266 --> 01:09:01,266
So, Vivian, you heard
what your stepfather said.

1436
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:03,800
What is your response?

1437
01:09:15,266 --> 01:09:19,166
Vivian, do you consider
Josh your family?

1438
01:09:19,767 --> 01:09:21,600
Uh, to be honest...

1439
01:09:24,066 --> 01:09:25,500
sometimes, yeah.

1440
01:09:26,066 --> 01:09:27,600
-[Shaun] Okay.
-Okay.

1441
01:09:50,734 --> 01:09:51,834
[Shaun] Okay.

1442
01:09:51,834 --> 01:09:55,367
Do you think there is a future
for your mom and Josh?

1443
01:10:07,266 --> 01:10:09,000
A couple days ago?

1444
01:10:10,333 --> 01:10:14,100
Lily, did you ask Josh
for a divorce?

1445
01:10:20,467 --> 01:10:22,367
That was a surprising answer.

1446
01:10:22,367 --> 01:10:24,800
Actually, I hear it
quite a bit.

1447
01:10:26,333 --> 01:10:28,567
It's normal for couples
to get upset.

1448
01:10:28,567 --> 01:10:32,133
Just don't say, "I hate you,"
"I'm not in love with you,"

1449
01:10:32,133 --> 01:10:33,567
and "I want to leave you."

1450
01:11:04,033 --> 01:11:05,500
Did you say that, Josh?

1451
01:11:07,367 --> 01:11:09,767
After she said
she wanted a divorce,

1452
01:11:09,767 --> 01:11:12,100
I said,
"I'm gonna honor that,"

1453
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:15,433
and she continued to say
some hurtful things that day.

1454
01:11:15,433 --> 01:11:18,266
And I said, "You know what?
I don't care what you say.

1455
01:11:18,266 --> 01:11:20,567
I don't care about
your feelings at this point.

1456
01:11:20,567 --> 01:11:22,500
You know,
you want the divorce...

1457
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:25,133
So it is what it is."

1458
01:11:25,133 --> 01:11:26,600
[Shekinah] I'm sure
she wanted to hear you say

1459
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,467
"I will do whatever it
takes. I'm not losing you."

1460
01:11:30,467 --> 01:11:32,166
Yeah, to step up and fight.

1461
01:11:33,567 --> 01:11:35,367
It sounds like she was trying
to get you to understand

1462
01:11:35,367 --> 01:11:37,667
where she was coming from
to fix the issue.

1463
01:11:38,934 --> 01:11:40,867
The divorce was to get
your attention.

1464
01:11:40,867 --> 01:11:43,333
But, well, I've heard it
a hundred times.

1465
01:11:43,333 --> 01:11:44,567
[Joanne] Then
why did you stay?

1466
01:11:44,567 --> 01:11:45,533
[Josh] That's a good question.

1467
01:11:45,533 --> 01:11:46,700
[Joanne] You know what I mean?

1468
01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:49,100
Like a hundred times
somebody says
"I want a divorce."

1469
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:53,000
-If he said to me--
-[Sean] I would never.

1470
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,166
But if he turned to me
and said, "I want a divorce,"
it would take once.

1471
01:11:57,166 --> 01:11:59,800
Yeah, and that's why
I reached out to an attorney.

1472
01:12:00,767 --> 01:12:02,166
So you actually filed?

1473
01:12:02,166 --> 01:12:03,867
Well, I reached out
to an attorney.

1474
01:12:03,867 --> 01:12:05,734
-[Shaun] You reached out
to an attorney?
-Mm-hmm.

1475
01:12:06,567 --> 01:12:08,667
He understood
you are serious, then?

1476
01:12:08,667 --> 01:12:10,033
Yes.

1477
01:12:10,033 --> 01:12:11,000
I'd like to ask Lily.

1478
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,900
Lily, what led you
to ask Josh for a divorce?

1479
01:12:46,567 --> 01:12:47,734
Incorrect.

1480
01:12:56,467 --> 01:12:58,066
Josh.

1481
01:12:59,734 --> 01:13:03,533
Not once have I ever
kicked her out, not once.

1482
01:13:03,533 --> 01:13:07,667
She's the one that tells me
she wants to leave,
and I tell her, "Don't leave."

1483
01:13:07,667 --> 01:13:09,266
So you're saying
everything that just came
out of Lily's mouth right now

1484
01:13:09,266 --> 01:13:10,467
is a lie?

1485
01:13:10,467 --> 01:13:12,467
[Josh] 100%.

1486
01:13:18,934 --> 01:13:21,166
[Corona] I'm not sure
I'm convinced why you two
like each other.

1487
01:13:21,166 --> 01:13:22,667
I feel like we've talked
a lot about, like,

1488
01:13:22,667 --> 01:13:24,433
"I wanna change,
I'm in this for the marriage."

1489
01:13:24,433 --> 01:13:26,867
I don't know
if I've ever heard
either one of you be like,

1490
01:13:26,867 --> 01:13:29,367
"I like this
about this person."

1491
01:13:30,033 --> 01:13:33,300
[Sean speaking]

1492
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,100
[James] But you shouldn't
have tried in the beginning,
it sounds like.

1493
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:38,066
I mean,
right after the wedding,

1494
01:13:38,066 --> 01:13:40,500
she says she's never
happy again after that?

1495
01:13:41,934 --> 01:13:43,934
[Josh] Yeah,
and I admit that's my fault.

1496
01:13:43,934 --> 01:13:45,700
You know, I need to change.

1497
01:13:46,934 --> 01:13:50,934
[Shaun] Jarod, do you think
your brother and Lily
should be together?

1498
01:13:50,934 --> 01:13:54,567
I do. I think they should
continue putting
that effort into it.

1499
01:13:54,567 --> 01:13:59,500
Vivian, any last words
for your mom and Josh?

1500
01:14:26,967 --> 01:14:28,567
Okay, all right.

1501
01:14:28,567 --> 01:14:32,934
Vivian and Jarod,
thank you both so much
for joining us.

1502
01:14:32,934 --> 01:14:34,200
Be well.

1503
01:14:34,934 --> 01:14:36,467
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.

1504
01:14:37,467 --> 01:14:38,700
Bye.

1505
01:14:39,166 --> 01:14:40,667
Bye-bye.

1506
01:14:40,667 --> 01:14:43,934
Josh and Lily.
Good luck to the both of you.

1507
01:14:43,934 --> 01:14:45,266
Thank you.

1508
01:14:45,567 --> 01:14:48,367
Thank you.

1509
01:14:48,367 --> 01:14:53,467
That brings us to the end of
<i>90 Day Fiance: The Other Way</i>
"The Couples Tell All"

1510
01:14:53,467 --> 01:14:55,567
Thank you so much
to all of our couples

1511
01:14:55,567 --> 01:14:59,133
and our special guests
for letting us follow
your journeys

1512
01:14:59,133 --> 01:15:01,667
and for opening up
about your experiences.

1513
01:15:01,667 --> 01:15:04,166
We wish you all the very best.

1514
01:15:04,166 --> 01:15:07,066
I'm Shaun Robinson
and I'll see you next time.

1515
01:15:41,934 --> 01:15:44,266
I'm not buying it.
Whatever they're--

1516
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:54,066
I don't like
confrontation at all.

1517
01:15:55,166 --> 01:15:59,100
I actually studied verbal judo
to de-escalate situations,

1518
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:00,967
<i>so hopefully</i>
<i>it's nothing like,</i>

1519
01:16:00,967 --> 01:16:03,700
<i>"Oh, yeah,</i>
we definitely need to end it."

1520
01:16:09,767 --> 01:16:11,066
[sighs]

1521
01:16:12,333 --> 01:16:14,734
[James] <i>Right now,</i>
<i>I cannot make her happy.</i>

1522
01:16:14,734 --> 01:16:16,433
There's nothing
I can do about it.

1523
01:16:16,433 --> 01:16:19,300
And that's what
just tears me apart
every day right now.

1524
01:16:20,367 --> 01:16:23,600
Do you think we are
stronger now than when
we started?

1525
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,600
Or do you think
we are farther apart?

1526
01:16:30,667 --> 01:16:32,667
Has this brought us backwards?

1527
01:16:46,266 --> 01:16:47,300
[sighs]

1528
01:16:54,266 --> 01:16:55,500
[Josh] Can you hear me?

1529
01:17:31,367 --> 01:17:32,900
I understand.

1530
01:17:51,367 --> 01:17:54,066
Being with you makes me happy.

1531
01:17:54,467 --> 01:17:56,467
Even if I'm not smiling,

1532
01:17:56,467 --> 01:17:59,166
I don't want to be
away from you.

1533
01:17:59,166 --> 01:18:03,433
And I appreciate you
opening up and telling me
how you feel

1534
01:18:03,433 --> 01:18:05,900
because we need
that communication.

1535
01:18:13,033 --> 01:18:14,300
We got it.

1536
01:18:15,133 --> 01:18:16,467
We can do it.

1537
01:18:16,467 --> 01:18:17,634
I love you,

1538
01:18:17,634 --> 01:18:19,767
and you get
some sleep, sweetie.

1539
01:18:23,233 --> 01:18:24,200
[Josh] I love you.

1540
01:18:30,467 --> 01:18:31,567
Yes.

1541
01:18:32,233 --> 01:18:33,500
This is gonna be weird.

1542
01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:37,300
I love you,
I'm gonna hug the screen,
pretend it's you. Bye.

1543
01:18:43,634 --> 01:18:45,233
Oh, so cute.

1544
01:18:46,867 --> 01:18:48,367
Love you.

1545
01:19:01,567 --> 01:19:05,400
-I'm so glad to finally
meet you guys.
-Same here.

1546
01:19:08,634 --> 01:19:10,233
-You guys are wonderful.
-[Joanne] We try.

1547
01:19:11,767 --> 01:19:14,367
[Joanne] Yeah. You did.

1548
01:19:14,367 --> 01:19:17,233
-Just communicate more.
-Yeah, that is so true.

1549
01:19:18,266 --> 01:19:20,433
And sex. Yeah, definitely sex.

1550
01:19:20,433 --> 01:19:22,567
I'm gonna eat
a whole stick of butter.

1551
01:19:22,567 --> 01:19:24,000
-[Sean] Take it easy, bro.
-[Joanne] Thank you.

1552
01:19:34,567 --> 01:19:36,233
[Joanne] Yeah, thank you.

1553
01:19:39,467 --> 01:19:43,667
Ever since we told everybody
about, like, us being married,

1554
01:19:43,667 --> 01:19:49,400
it's been nonstop questions
and it was nice to finally,
like, put them to rest.

1555
01:19:51,033 --> 01:19:54,467
And the other couples
understood us,
so that was nice.

1556
01:19:55,266 --> 01:19:57,900
[Sean speaking]

1557
01:20:12,066 --> 01:20:12,967
I know.

1558
01:20:15,100 --> 01:20:16,166
Yeah, we do.

1559
01:20:17,166 --> 01:20:18,834
It's just one more thing.

1560
01:20:27,533 --> 01:20:29,367
[Corona] <i>I definitely feel</i>
<i>like there's a weight</i>
<i>off my shoulders</i>

1561
01:20:29,367 --> 01:20:34,133
'cause I think part of me
is like, "If he apologizes
or says the right words,

1562
01:20:34,133 --> 01:20:35,634
<i>maybe."</i>

1563
01:20:35,634 --> 01:20:37,166
There was this
lingering "Maybe."

1564
01:20:37,166 --> 01:20:39,433
And that maybe is gone.

1565
01:20:39,433 --> 01:20:41,967
Definitely no maybes.
No [bleep] maybes.

1566
01:20:41,967 --> 01:20:43,767
-James, Tatha.
-[James] Hey, Corona.

1567
01:20:44,867 --> 01:20:46,166
[Corona] It was so nice
to meet you guys.

1568
01:20:46,166 --> 01:20:48,100
-Have a double hug.
-It was good to see you.

1569
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:49,667
-I love you guys so much.
-Love you.

1570
01:20:49,667 --> 01:20:52,333
-Definitely.
Stay in touch, though.
-Yes.

1571
01:20:52,333 --> 01:20:53,867
Philadelphia. Portland, Maine.

1572
01:20:53,867 --> 01:20:55,100
[James] I mean, we can visit.

1573
01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:56,767
It's not that far.

1574
01:20:57,567 --> 01:21:01,467
I was expecting this, overall,
to be more combative,
confrontational.

1575
01:21:01,467 --> 01:21:04,266
I thought all the couples
were just gonna be like...
[mimics people fighting]

1576
01:21:04,266 --> 01:21:06,033
But it, like,
kind of wasn't that.

1577
01:21:06,033 --> 01:21:08,667
Like, we were able
to be honest and open
with each other.

1578
01:21:08,667 --> 01:21:11,300
<i>That's so rare, I feel like,</i>
<i>to actually happen.</i>

1579
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:15,133
<i>Next for me,</i>
<i>I definitely wanna date.</i>

1580
01:21:15,133 --> 01:21:16,333
<i>I've got a lotta love to give,</i>

1581
01:21:16,333 --> 01:21:19,467
and I've got a high sex drive
and it's gotta go somewhere.

1582
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:23,467
-Thank you so much!
-Welcome.

1583
01:21:23,467 --> 01:21:27,533
In my next relationship,
I think I just need someone
that can handle me.

1584
01:21:27,533 --> 01:21:29,100
Clearly, Ingi couldn't.

1585
01:21:43,433 --> 01:21:44,900
[James] So
how are you feeling?

1586
01:21:49,133 --> 01:21:51,467
I feel good to have it done,
have it behind us.

1587
01:21:51,467 --> 01:21:52,634
Yeah.

1588
01:21:52,634 --> 01:21:56,433
I feel like some people
had some hard questions
for us.

1589
01:21:56,433 --> 01:21:58,967
They definitely
didn't just let us go.
[chuckles]

1590
01:22:01,867 --> 01:22:03,734
<i>Today has been a whirlwind.</i>

1591
01:22:03,734 --> 01:22:05,367
Like, I'm trying
to do my best right now,

1592
01:22:05,367 --> 01:22:07,066
and just one thing
after another has continued

1593
01:22:07,066 --> 01:22:10,233
to just [bleep]
our relationship,
[bleep] everything.

1594
01:22:11,533 --> 01:22:14,333
My biggest concern right now
is with bringing Angel

1595
01:22:14,333 --> 01:22:16,800
to the United States
to come visit us.

1596
01:22:23,266 --> 01:22:24,433
[James] No, I understand that.

1597
01:22:24,433 --> 01:22:27,967
Like you said today,
you're not happy
with where we are.

1598
01:22:29,567 --> 01:22:31,934
<i>Right now,</i>
<i>I cannot make her happy.</i>

1599
01:22:31,934 --> 01:22:33,667
There's nothing
I can do about it.

1600
01:22:33,667 --> 01:22:36,467
And that's what
just tears me apart
every day right now.

1601
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:55,367
Do you think we are
stronger now than when
we started?

1602
01:22:55,367 --> 01:22:57,367
Or do you think
we are farther apart?

1603
01:23:02,333 --> 01:23:04,600
Has this brought us backwards?

1604
01:23:16,066 --> 01:23:18,500
I just wish one thing
would be easy for us.
[sniffles]

1605
01:23:19,467 --> 01:23:21,667
Just wish one thing
would work out right.

1606
01:23:32,166 --> 01:23:33,967
[Sarper speaking]

1607
01:23:41,567 --> 01:23:43,367
[Shekinah speaking]

1608
01:23:55,367 --> 01:23:57,800
You're so scared
of kissing in public.

1609
01:23:58,567 --> 01:24:00,767
I'm using my voice more now.

1610
01:24:00,767 --> 01:24:05,667
And I mean, I'm sorry
if he doesn't like that,
but he's on my turf now.

1611
01:24:05,667 --> 01:24:09,166
What's next, I guess
is just seeing how he
acclimates to the US,

1612
01:24:09,166 --> 01:24:11,634
seeing what changes
in our relationship

1613
01:24:11,634 --> 01:24:14,133
because of him
living here now,

1614
01:24:14,133 --> 01:24:16,367
and seeing if we
walk down the aisle.

1615
01:24:17,066 --> 01:24:18,400
Bye, guys.

1616
01:24:22,834 --> 01:24:26,166
<i>But sometimes Shekinah</i>
<i>doesn't understand me.</i>

1617
01:24:26,166 --> 01:24:30,900
<i>I left everything behind,</i>
<i>and it was a big decision</i>
<i>for me.</i>

1618
01:24:31,066 --> 01:24:32,567
[exhales]