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I asked if you wanted one and you said no.

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-I didn't.
-You did.

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-You did a kind of shrug.
-I never heard you ask anything.

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Well, I did.

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Well, you need to talk louder, Tony.
Project.

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[slurps]

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Mm!

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[exhales]

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[Warren] Cups of tea are nice,

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but they're never nicer, are they…

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than when you've got a biscuit
to go with them.

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-You'd agree, wouldn't you?
-I've always thought that.

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-There you go, Kyle.
-Thanks, Vanessa.

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I feel sorry for you, for both of you.

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Your mouths must be very dry.

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Would you like a biscuit, Tony?

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Only if you make us a cup of tea first.

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I'll do it for three.

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-Three?
-Three, up front.

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Or I'm going nowhere.

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Two biscuits,
one up front, one on delivery.

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-How did you do so well out of this?
-[Warren] That's the deal, Tony.

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Take it or leave it.

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[door opens]

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[tense music playing]

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They're bringing him up now.

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Aren't we meant to wait?

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[Reiss] She doesn't want
to give him time to think.

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[elevator pings]

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[tense music continues]

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[door slams]

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[tense music continues]

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What are you looking at?

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He's talking to himself!

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[chair scraping]

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[Myerscough] Here we go.

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[eerie music playing]

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[beep]

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[Hobbs] The time is 16:10
on Thursday the second of April.

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Present, DCI Natalie Hobbs…

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[Reiss] DS Jamie Reiss.

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[Hobbs] And…

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Singh, Sandeep.

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Zero-six, zero-four, eighty-two.

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How was the trip over from…
where is it now, Belmarsh?

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You were in Brixton before, yes?

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I have no intention of helping you
with your inquiries. None whatsoever.

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Whatever they may be.

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But you know what they are, Sandeep.

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You were told when
you were arrested in your cell.

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I heard what they said.
I just don't know anything about it.

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[Hobbs] Remind me.

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Prior to conviction, you were
a successful businessman, weren't you?

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Projects in Malaysia,
Singapore, investment opportunities…

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When you were first arrested
in 2010

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and the custody sergeant
asked for your address,

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you said you had "properties dotted
around the south of England,

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and different cars
for different days of the week."

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That's the kind of character
we were dealing with at the time.

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-But the woman you murdered…
-[Reiss] Samantha West.

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[Hobbs] Whose money you wanted, who said
she would invest in one of your schemes,

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but pulled out
on the advice of her brother…

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She realized you weren't
the business expert

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you claimed you were.

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No.

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-Which is why you killed her?
-No.

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No, I killed her

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because she did not give me
her money on the date

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that she said she would,
and that made me very angry.

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Not because I was a bad businessman.

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Well, at least your business reputation
wasn't damaged.

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What would you know about business?

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Hmm?

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What would you know about business?

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About as much as you,
by the sounds of things.

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Your only remaining property now
is a studio flat in central London, yes?

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No.

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Once again, no.
Where did you even get that from?

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She's talking about your cell.

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This is not improving your chances
of me answering your questions.

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You're raking over old ground.
And for no good reason.

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-[Hobbs] Well, hang on…
-This has nothing to do with me.

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[Hobbs] Let us be the judge of that.

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And even if you think it does,

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let me remind you, I have no intention
of answering your inquiries.

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None whatsoever.

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-[Hobbs] Sandeep--
-Whatever they may be.

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[scoffs] For a man
who says he won't talk…

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The name Annabelle Ashcombe…

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Does that mean anything to you?

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Annabelle was
a young entrepreneur from Colchester.

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She went missing in September 2009.

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That's seven months prior to your arrest
for the murder of Samantha West.

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Not a case you're aware of, no?

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Her parents are now divorced.

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Mum got the house and still keeps
Annabelle's bedroom just the way it was,

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in case Annabelle decides
to walk in through the door

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as if the last 11 years never happened.

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Part of that means she cleans the room

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to stop it turning
into some sort of dusty shrine,

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and last week while she was doing this,

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she found something
she hadn't noticed before.

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A disposable camera.

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Do you remember those?

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The little wind-on cameras people used
to leave on tables at weddings?

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On that camera was an undeveloped photo

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of Annabelle Ashcombe
at just such a wedding,

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the weekend before she went missing.

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Not the last photo ever taken,
but not far off.

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Upsetting for a mum to see, but…

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also a nice thing to find.

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And that would have been that,

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had Annabelle's mum
not spotted someone else in the photo.

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A person you might recognize.

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A man later convicted
of the murder of Samantha West.

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And when we saw that
we thought, "That's funny.

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A murder victim and a murderer
together in the same shot like that?

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We should call Belmarsh,
invite Sandeep Singh over for a chat…

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or a business meeting,
as he might prefer to call it."

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[Reiss] That is you, isn't it?

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-Where was this taken?
-That wasn't the question.

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-At a wedding?
-At a wedding in Maidenhead.

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Never been to Maidenhead.

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-Well, with resp--
-Sorry, that's just a fact.

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[Hobbs] Well, we disagree.

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It's almost as if, Sandeep,
we've got a photograph to prove it.

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That is you.

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And that…

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is Annabelle Ashcombe.

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And six days later,
after that was taken, she disappeared.

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Don't forget. [clears throat]

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Sorry?

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To ask your question.

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What are you asking me?

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I'm asking how you explain that.

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I can't.

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-But you--
-Next.

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-But you knew Annabelle Ashcombe.
-No.

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-But you met her.
-No.

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-She's in the same photo.
-Yes.

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-[Hobbs] With you next to her.
-Behind her.

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-You're with her.
-She's facing the other way.

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-[Hobbs] You weren't introduced?
-[Sandeep] I don't know if that's her.

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-[Hobbs] Well, that is her.
-[Sandeep] But I don't know that, do I?

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I only know that's her
because you keep telling me,

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but I genuinely could not
pick her out of a line-up.

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I wonder if she would say
the same about you.

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-She can't do anything about it now.
-No, she can't, and why is that?

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Because you say
that she's been murdered.

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Which is terrible.

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-You think murder's terrible?
-Listen!

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I do not sit in my cell feeling proud.

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I regret what happened with Samantha West.

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I live with the fact
that I took the life of another

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every single day.

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-[Hobbs] Sandeep--
-But I only did that once!

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And I do not deserve to be pinned
to every single unsolved crime out there

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because I fucked up on this one occasion!

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Yes?

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Sit back in your chair for me, Sandeep.

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There's a good chap.

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[Petit] Should…
should we get uniform in the room?

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[Myerscough]
Only to stop her attacking him.

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[sighs]

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[sighs]

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It might have been the Ogbonnas.

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He's Nigerian. Public school type.

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If that was the wedding,
then yeah, I was there. On my own.

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That's the one.

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I remember that as being in Marlow.

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Marlow's not far from Maidenhead.

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What day did she go missing?

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-The following Friday.
-What date is that?

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That would be September fourth.

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September fourth, 2008.

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Nine.

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This was 2009?

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A few months before you were arrested
for the murder of Samantha West.

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We've already said that.

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In that case, I can help you.

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I can help you with your inquiries.

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It was not me.

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And how did we suddenly work that one out?

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Because…

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I took a contract with Intrepid in 2009,

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which I've already told you about

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in my last interview, 2010.

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I took a job as an Excursion Manager
with Intrepid Cruises

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for six weeks in the autumn of 2009.

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Not because I have an interest in travel,

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but because cruise ships are filled
with cash-rich 60-somethings who…

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and I will level with you…
are perfect potential investors.

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I did the same thing a few years earlier
and the dates were always the same.

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Travel out to Miami
on the August bank holiday,

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do a two-day induction and…

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off you go.

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Miami, Cozumel…

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Saint Kitts, Saint Thomas…

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-Yeah. Bang on.
-…back to Miami.

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[Warren] Shall I get a number?

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Yeah.

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[Sandeep] They still run that route,
I think.

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And like the wedding…

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they certainly took photos, too.

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[Reiss clears throat]

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[Hobbs] Interview suspended at 16:21.

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[beep]

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[rumble of thunder]

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The cruise is confirmed
as leaving Miami on the second,

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and by the time
Annabelle goes missing on the fourth,

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he's a million miles away,
playing gin rummy, doing the Macarena.

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And he was definitely on board?

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Yeah, he's even in the big group photo
that they do on deck.

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00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,000
-So he's alibi-ed.
-Yeah.

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Were Annabelle Ashcombe's family
told about the arrest?

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No.

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Ah, well… Nothing lost, eh?

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00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,920
It's not our fault he didn't do it.

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[Hobbs] Mm.

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Do you want me to tell him?

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00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,240
-Mm-hmm.
-Okay.

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00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,080
Right, the van from Belmarsh
is still downstairs.

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You need to give them two minutes' notice
so they can bring it round.

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Okay?

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00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,600
So that's it? We just stop?

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00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,160
Well, what were you after?
Some kind of conversational warm-down?

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[Warren chuckles]

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[Sandeep] But the driver from Belmarsh
isn't collecting me till six.

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You've got me for another hour.

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Don't need you for another hour.

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What you told us checks out.

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Conversation's over.

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00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,080
Why? Was there something
you wanted to add?

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00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,800
No, there was something I wanted to ask.

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Had I known who was responsible…

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And had I been open to telling you…

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What then?

238
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What would it have been worth?

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-Do you?
-No.

240
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But…

241
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You have, sitting before you…

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someone who has spent
the last ten years

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sharing cells and corridors

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with some of the most dangerous men
in the country.

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And those men talk.

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So there are crimes…

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high-profile crimes…

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high-profile, unsolved crimes,
that I do know something about,

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I can help you with.

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And you have a one-hour window
in which you can talk to me.

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So, to go back to my…

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original question…

253
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What is it worth?

254
00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,280
Well, why don't you tell us
what the case is

255
00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,480
and we'll decide whether it's high profile
and whether we want your help.

256
00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:39,680
Or…

257
00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,160
if we are brainstorming here,

258
00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:49,840
you name some of the highest-profile
unsolved crimes you can think of,

259
00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,880
and we'll see if it comes up.

260
00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,960
How about…

261
00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,240
Okay, then.

262
00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,720
The guy who fired into the crowd
at the, uh, Newcastle concert.

263
00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,960
[tense music playing]

264
00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,000
[Reiss] The man who killed the male
sex workers in Birmingham last year?

265
00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,280
Sorry.

266
00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,360
[sighs]

267
00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:39,840
What would you say, Tone?

268
00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,000
I'd say he should hurry up
and tell us himself.

269
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,880
Otherwise, we'll use the whole hour
just doing this bit.

270
00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,040
The missing boy.

271
00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:50,680
[clicks tongue] Alfie.

272
00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,320
-[typing]
-Alfie…

273
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,680
Alfie Ince. That's it.

274
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,160
Alfie Ince.

275
00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,320
[Warren] Shut up!

276
00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,680
That would be of interest, yes?

277
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,600
Considered high profile?

278
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,320
Enough that,
if I told you what happened,

279
00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,680
I may be able to negotiate
a reduction in my sentence?

280
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,880
[Warren] You are joking, aren't you?

281
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,280
This has got to be bullshit.

282
00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:45,800
[Myerscough] Well, we'd need to check,
but, um… [clears throat] 

283
00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,080
…in theory it's not impossible.

284
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:51,920
Good.

285
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,160
So with, what, 55 minutes left,

286
00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,800
let's find a way to do business.

287
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,360
[clears throat]

288
00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,520
Get DCS Miller on the line.

289
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,560
Tell her we need a prosecutor.

290
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,560
-CPS.
-We're calling them now.

291
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,480
Oh, God.

292
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,200
-What if he's lying?
-But what if he's not?

293
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,840
-Got to be nonsense.
-But what if it's not?

294
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,360
It's one of the biggest unsolved cases
in the country.

295
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,120
No, I know, I know.

296
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,440
Wait.

297
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,200
Paul Ottager.
He worked the Alfie Ince case, didn't he?

298
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,160
-Did he?
-Yes.

299
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,440
We were in the pub,
he was telling us all about it.

300
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,800
-Not the investigation, the case review.
-Guv…

301
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,160
If we can get Paul to sit in,
he can help steer this.

302
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,440
Guv, it wasn't Paul Ottager
that worked the Alfie Ince case.

303
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,880
-The CPS is sending Donna Swift.
-Oh…

304
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,320
Ten minutes away and not happy
about missing a leaving do at Wahaca.

305
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,360
[line ringing]

306
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,440
Hey, where are you?

307
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,320
[elevator pings]

308
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,880
[Swift] It's a two-stage process.

309
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,400
First, a scoping interview

310
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,080
in which Mr. Singh will give us
whatever information he claims to have,

311
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,160
then a debrief.

312
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,200
That's then written up,

313
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,240
signed by you, signed by us,
signed by the SIO,

314
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,400
to confirm the information
is sufficiently helpful.

315
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,840
Then that's all put before a judge,

316
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,160
who's the only person who can approve
the reduction of the term.

317
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,000
Can we guarantee the reduction
in the sentence in advance?

318
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,200
Not without knowing the quality
of the information.

319
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,040
-No. No, you're right. But…
-It would be foolish.

320
00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:59,360
Sure. But if we made that a condition…

321
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,360
Provided the information is of value…

322
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,200
We can certainly look into it.

323
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,680
Thank you.

324
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:16,800
Could we look into it now?

325
00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:22,480
We're in a hurry, I can tell.

326
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,440
What is the case that Mr. Singh
is looking to help us with today?

327
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,720
Alfie Ince.

328
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,480
-As in…
-As in, Alfie Ince.

329
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,280
He can help with that?

330
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,560
He says he can, yeah.

331
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,920
[Myerscough] The prosecutor's working
to see if she cannot guarantee

332
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,760
a reduction in your sentence.

333
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,760
-[Sandeep] How long will that take?
-Five or ten minutes.

334
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,720
[Sandeep] That won't leave us much time.
There's a lot I've got to tell you.

335
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,760
But this deadline of yours,
it's not real, is it?

336
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,200
We can talk again tomorrow.

337
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,520
You could. I won't.

338
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,960
[Reiss] So you won't want to discuss
a reduction in your sentence tomorrow?

339
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,280
I'm giving you a one-hour window,
less than that now…

340
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,520
to guarantee me
a reduction in my sentence.

341
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,360
Do that and I will tell you
what happened to Alfie Ince.

342
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,000
Fail, and my offer to help is retracted.

343
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,560
That is the line that I'm taking.

344
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,280
And I'm taking it because
putting you on the spot like this

345
00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:34,520
gives me a better chance
of a bigger reduction.

346
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,960
Now you may or may not choose

347
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,160
to believe that deadline is real.

348
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,400
That's up to you.

349
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,280
That's on your conscience.

350
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,200
You are the ones
who will have to tell Alfie Ince's parents

351
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,160
you decided to not take me seriously.

352
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,960
And in answer to your next question…

353
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,000
I want four years taken off.

354
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,400
[Reiss] From a 14-year bid?

355
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,520
Of which you've already served ten.

356
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,440
Meaning you'd barely go back
to Belmarsh at all.

357
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,840
[Sandeep] Only to collect
some of my stuff.

358
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,520
Is four years even doable?

359
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,000
It's right at the top end.

360
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,160
Done his homework, that's for sure.

361
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,160
Gavin? Gavin, can you hear me?

362
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,320
He was always going to bring this up,
wasn't he?

363
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:37,080
And there I was,
not wanting to give him time to think.

364
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,280
Okay.

365
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,960
But there can be no further requests.

366
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,960
We can't have you
increasing your demands as we go.

367
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,920
Four years.

368
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,080
That is the price.

369
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,640
-That is the deal.
-Nothing else?

370
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,960
Well, maybe a cup of tea.

371
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,440
Oh, and… a biscuit,

372
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:10,400
if you have one.

373
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,840
But if I can stick
a piece of paper in front of him,

374
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,760
something in principle,
I've got a feeling that might…

375
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,480
Yes, I know.

376
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,240
Yes, I realize,
but Gavin, this is Alfie Ince.

377
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:38,600
[tense music playing]

378
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,520
[machine whirring]

379
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,200
[elevator pings]

380
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,320
[Duffy] Is that for me?

381
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,400
[printer beeps, whirring]

382
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,320
[buzzing]

383
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,840
[Hobbs] Hugo worked
the Alfie Ince case review back in 2015.

384
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,000
He knows it better than any of us.

385
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,360
And you remember it?

386
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,240
Yes, ma'am.

387
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,720
Then I want you straight in.

388
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,120
Yes, ma'am.

389
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,800
Twenty-nine minutes to go.

390
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,280
-Says who?
-Says him.

391
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,880
[Warren] And we've decided
to take him seriously.

392
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,400
The recording is yet to start?

393
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,120
Tony wanted to wait for you.

394
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,720
You know, I was thinking
about this on my way over.

395
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,440
I should use all this to my advantage.

396
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,000
Tell you I'm not setting foot in that room
unless you let me back in here.

397
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,560
Reinstate me.

398
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,680
You were never going to try that, Hugo.
You're too good a man.

399
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,720
And a rubbish negotiator.

400
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,120
[Swift] From the CPS.

401
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,120
For your colleague.

402
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,560
That should get him talking.

403
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,520
[pulsing music playing]

404
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,640
Okay, let's go.

405
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,200
[pulsing music continues]

406
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,360
[beep]

407
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,080
[Myerscough] Interview starts at 17:42.

408
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,120
Present in the room,
Detective Inspector Tony Myerscough.

409
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,760
Hugo Duffy. And?

410
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,640
Singh, Sandeep, 06-04-82.

411
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,880
The Crown Prosecution Service's way
of saying

412
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,760
they'll recommend
a four-year reduction to your sentence.

413
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,080
Provided what I tell you is any good, yes?

414
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,480
What happened, where he is…

415
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,720
-[Myerscough] Whether he's dead or alive.
-No, he's not alive.

416
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,360
He was dead within hours
of being thrown into the van.

417
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,240
But we're getting ahead of ourselves.
[clears throat]

418
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,280
We begin at the beginning.

419
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,560
[slurps]

420
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,400
[exhales]

421
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:17,440
He was right.

422
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,080
The chap before you.

423
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,240
I was in Brixton before Belmarsh,

424
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,640
2010, somewhere around there.

425
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,000
First time being locked in a cell.

426
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,920
Nothing more terrifying.

427
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,000
Nothing, I promise you.

428
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,600
When they lock that door…

429
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,200
and the lights go out…

430
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,480
and all you're left with

431
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,800
are the memories of the actions

432
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,240
that brought you there
in the first place…

433
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,240
It's haunting.

434
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,120
And the only guy…

435
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,440
more terrified than me

436
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,800
was the guy…

437
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,720
a few cells down.

438
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,080
Turns out he's a high-end car thief.

439
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,760
The kind of cars that go missing
on Bond Street one day,

440
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,240
and end up in Bulgaria the next.

441
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,600
I start thinking,

442
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,200
it might be worth
getting closer to this guy

443
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,560
for business reasons,
because, you know, Bulgaria…

444
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:29,840
Macedonia…

445
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,440
all those countries around there
are full of potential investors.

446
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,880
And, if he can introduce me,

447
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,360
I could make it worth his while,
blah, blah, blah.

448
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Anyway, we're slowly making plans.

449
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,800
And once I have his trust…

450
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,320
he starts telling me

451
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,560
that this route to Bulgaria

452
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,920
is used for more than just cars.

453
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,440
-Alcohol?
-Alcohol.

454
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,520
-People?
-Yes.

455
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
-Girls, boys…
-Yes, that's it.

456
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,840
Alfie Ince.

457
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,200
-That's what I'm coming to.
-So he did do it?

458
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,760
That's what I'm telling you.

459
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,560
That he trafficked Alfie out of the UK?

460
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,120
For 25 grand.

461
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,720
That's what I thought.

462
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,880
[Myerscough] We need a name.

463
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,400
[Sandeep] But on the ferry over,
he said that Alfie tried to get out.

464
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,000
That Alfie climbed
into the front of the van

465
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,240
and tried to kick through the windscreen
and had to be subdued.

466
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,040
That's how it happened.

467
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,560
Screaming and shouting.

468
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,320
He'd have given the whole thing away,

469
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,040
the whole system, supply line,
had he not been subdued.

470
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,080
That's how he ended up killing him.

471
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,680
And his name?

472
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,400
Burying him in some national park, uh…

473
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,880
Near, what did he say? Uh, Arnhem.

474
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,680
All these details,
they're nothing without a name.

475
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,840
[sighs]

476
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,600
John Brian Buchanan.

477
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,960
He lives at The Ridge,
Emlin Lane, near Loughton.

478
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,000
Which means Epping Forest is his patch.

479
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,320
And what? You just happen
to know his full address off by heart?

480
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,200
I do.

481
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,680
It was the address we were to use
to set up a business.

482
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,240
It was to be our base.

483
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,640
A company doing what?

484
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,360
No comment.

485
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,320
Something illegal, then.

486
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,320
Physical laundering.

487
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,560
The company was going
to make money by moving money.

488
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,080
All right? That was the idea.

489
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,360
Illegal if it had started,
but we didn't, so you're fine.

490
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400
We stopped once I found out that, uh…

491
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,880
Buchanan had branched
into something that was…

492
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,960
unacceptable to me, personally.

493
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,440
He's right, CPS records have
Buchanan charged for smuggling,

494
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,360
sexual offenses…

495
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,560
All manner of stuff.

496
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,520
I'm no angel,

497
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,880
but it doesn't make
what he did any less abhorrent.

498
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,960
That's why I'm telling you all of this.

499
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Is that right?

500
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,760
[Sandeep] I'm giving you
all the information you need for Alfie.

501
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,560
Really?

502
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,880
And it feels like you're attacking me
for it. Is that your role here?

503
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,720
I don't have a role here, Sandeep.
Not anymore.

504
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,800
I'm just here because I promised
his family I'd do everything I could.

505
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,200
So when I heard you were here
talking about this,

506
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,560
I became a bit like the guys
in Brixton…

507
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,720
Keen to pay you a visit.

508
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,360
Did he live alone?

509
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Who?

510
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,320
Buchanan.

511
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,920
He was in prison.

512
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,040
But the house in Emlin Lane
where you were going to base this…

513
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,360
business.

514
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,040
Did he live there alone?

515
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,720
So why not do it somewhere more private?

516
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,520
-There was nowhere more private.
-No?

517
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,680
It was the only place we had.

518
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,240
No, no. You're forgetting,
Sandeep, you're a man of property.

519
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,520
Houses dotted around the south of England.

520
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,520
[Duffy] Now, I don't remember addresses
off by heart, not in the way you do.

521
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,960
In a way, that, to me, seems a little…

522
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,240
over-prepared.

523
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,680
But looking back
at the old Hugo Filing System,

524
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,320
I did come across…

525
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,480
Ash Lane.

526
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,600
Two, Ash Lane.

527
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,600
It's a little cottage of yours.

528
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,280
I said to my guv at the time,
when we were doing the review,

529
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,360
"Let's go down to Belmarsh,
see what Sandeep Singh has got to say.

530
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,080
After all, we've got a convicted murderer
living in Ash Lane in Thornwood.

531
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,600
That's only 200 yards
from where Alfie Ince was at the time."

532
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,760
-That's not true.
-What's not true?

533
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,800
Alfie Ince is from Loughton.
Not Thornwood. That is well documented.

534
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,440
It is, but Sandeep,
this was the summer holidays

535
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,240
and he was with his nan that day.

536
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,880
Who lives in Thornwood.

537
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:04,760
Near you.

538
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,080
[Sandeep sighs]

539
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,840
That was the link here, you see?

540
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,920
That's why I came running down here
like my career depended on it.

541
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,560
And that's what had me interested
back then, but my guv at the time…

542
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,160
He said not to bother with you.

543
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,160
Because you, in his words…

544
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,880
"…were the wrong kind of psycho."

545
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,440
Not a nonce.

546
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,040
Just a narcissist.

547
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,160
So we never went looking
for Alfie at your place.

548
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,680
Not then, anyway.

549
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,960
But now,

550
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,920
we are checking.

551
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,600
Are you?

552
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:49,960
No.

553
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,440
[Duffy] We have sent
scene-of-crime officers up there.

554
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,480
Number Two, Ash Lane, Thornwood.

555
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,480
See, I remembered it that time.

556
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,960
They're gonna have a look around,

557
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,600
have a dig about,

558
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,680
make sure Alfie isn't there after all.

559
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,400
You're a businessman, yeah?

560
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,800
So while you think on that,
let us make you an offer.

561
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,600
So, how about this?

562
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,240
If they find a body,

563
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,120
instead of a reduction in your sentence,
you'll be getting another 14.

564
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,680
That makes sense, yeah?

565
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,800
Whether you did this alone
or with Buchanan,

566
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,200
you'll now be serving two life sentences.

567
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,040
Don't need a spreadsheet
to work that one out.

568
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,400
However, if you cooperate,

569
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,720
if you are contrite,
and you genuinely try to help,

570
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,280
a judge may well look favorably on that.

571
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,200
It's what's known in your world
as cutting your losses.

572
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,280
[Duffy] So save us all time,

573
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,200
and tell us where to dig, Sandeep.

574
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:15,280
Tell us what they'll find, and whereabouts
in your back garden they will find it.

575
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,000
I'm going to have to hurry you, mate.
This offer only stands till 6:00 p.m.

576
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,400
Yeah? Why six?

577
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,440
-Because the SOCO team's on its way.
-And because that's the line we're taking.

578
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,680
[Duffy] Tell us what they'll find,
Sandeep, when they get there.

579
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,200
With all that scanning equipment
and all that.

580
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,560
Your garden, your patio,
under your floorboards…

581
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,080
When they start looking.

582
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,680
[Myerscough] Forget the big mirror.

583
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,440
The microphones,
and anybody else who might be watching.

584
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,760
Just tell us the truth.

585
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,520
What will they find?

586
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,520
What will they find, Sandeep?

587
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,640
[Duffy] Who will they find?

588
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,440
Make it better for the family.

589
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,760
Tell us now, Sandeep.

590
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,160
They'll find Annabelle Ashcombe.

591
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:48,280
[sinister music playing]

592
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,040
[sighs]

593
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,080
She told me, at the wedding,

594
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,400
she could invest half a million.

595
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,120
Half a million.

596
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,920
That meant I decided
to not take the job on the cruise.

597
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,400
She comes to see me
a few days after,

598
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,200
at the cottage.

599
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,320
Says she's changed her mind.

600
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,920
Meaning I've lost both the investment…

601
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,360
and the job.

602
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,960
And that's when I lost it.

603
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,000
I asked her if she'd like
to see the garden.

604
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,320
I don't know why.

605
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,360
I do know why.

606
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,720
And while she's standing there…

607
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,600
just like in the photo…

608
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,840
facing the other way…

609
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,400
I hit her with a pole.

610
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,720
Once.

611
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,400
That's all it needed.

612
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,400
And that is when
the football landed in the garden.

613
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:08,400
Sorry?

614
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,920
He comes in a few seconds later
to fetch it.

615
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,000
Alfie?

616
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,720
I say she's poorly.

617
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,640
Had had a fall.

618
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,960
I ask him to help me.

619
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,840
To check, see if she's still breathing.

620
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,880
And as he's leaning over,
back comes the pole.

621
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,840
[sinister music continues]

622
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,960
I went out to Florida…

623
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,960
but only got on the boat
in time for the photo at the end.

624
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,400
But I made sure I was in it…
I made sure I was in it…

625
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,480
I made sure I was in it!

626
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,520
[exhales gruffly]

627
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,880
They'll see a cross in the grass, your…

628
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,680
scene-of-crime people.

629
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,040
Where the bird table used to be.

630
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,600
Tell them to dig around there.

631
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,520
[Warren] Right. I'll notify the SIO.

632
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,120
[Petit] I'll call Belmarsh,
say we're hanging onto him for now.

633
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,280
[Warren] On it, Guv.

634
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,800
[sinister music continues]

635
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,800
[sighs]

636
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,600
[exhales deeply]

637
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,640
[roar of traffic]

638
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,720
[chair scraping]

639
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,760
So the prosecutor's gone,
and it's drinks at the Rose.

640
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,960
-Right. That's where we're off to, is it?
-That's the rumor.

641
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,640
Except Jamie's not coming,
because of all the paperwork,

642
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,160
and Vanessa's giving Kyle a lift home.

643
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:08,960
Oh, so it's just you, me and Hugo.

644
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,280
-[Hobbs] Well, Hugo can't.
-[Myerscough] He can have a soft drink.

645
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,240
[Hobbs] He needs an early night.
Starting a new job in the morning.

646
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,720
So, still worth it, then?

647
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:26,800
What do you mean?

648
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,240
How many clues do you need?

649
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:39,840
[eerie music playing]

650
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,440
Interview terminated at 18:13.

651
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,080
[beep]

652
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,120
[Warren chuckles] Yes!

653
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,840
[eerie music continues]