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[man sighs]
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Okay, nice and simple.
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Let me tell you what happened,
everything I can remember, in order.
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Then when I'm done
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if there's anything you want to ask
I'll do my best to answer.
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How does that sound?
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So, Friday a week ago, me and the team,
we go for drinks at the Cabin.
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That's the, uh, the pub near Latimer Road.
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The one that stays open late on a Friday
and Saturday, turns into a bit of a club.
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So that's, uh, that's me, Andy,
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that's… that's Andrew Flanagan
from Finance,
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and then my sales team, that's, uh…
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Kelly, Sanjay, and then, you know…
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Sarah.
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As in Sarah Macklin.
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I get the first round,
my way of marking the end of the week.
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We drink those, that's the rule,
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and then whoever wants to stay stays,
and whoever wants to go, they can go.
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It's the same every Friday.
Nobody is forced to do anything.
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And just after nine, uh,
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Sanjay and Kelly go home, separately.
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So that leaves me,
Andy and Sarah. Yes?
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You know, we're still there,
the three of us, when the club bit starts.
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Whenever that starts, um…
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Midnight, something like that.
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And this probably doesn't help me
but it's true.
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We're all a bit worse for wear
by this point.
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You know, Sarah is, definitely,
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and she's new, and I'm thinking
she still wants to show us she's a laugh.
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Well, not show us she's a laugh.
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Show us she's not "not a laugh"
if that makes sense.
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You know, I'm pissed,
because I just am, that's allowed.
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Andy's well gone, because it's…
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well, because it's Friday
and because he works in Finance
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and that's nobody's idea of a fun week.
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Oh, and, um,
nobody's eaten anything either.
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So I start thinking we should leave.
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All of us.
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But then Sarah says she wants to stay,
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and because she says that,
Andy wants to stay,
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when Andy's too drunk to stand up.
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But Sarah says she wants to talk to me
about how the new job's going.
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One of those, um…
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serious conversations people want to have
when they're drunk. You know?
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Opportunities, promotions,
shouting over the music.
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You know, "I respect you.
I want to make my way up the company."
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You know, ambitious.
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I'm like, "You're doing great."
And all that. I mean, she's doing okay.
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She's only been there a month.
She made a few sales.
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Not as much as some,
but you know.
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And then I look over at Andy
and I decide it's time Andy went home.
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Not because of anything
between me and her,
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but because it's time we all went home.
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So we get in a cab, uh…
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We drop him off. He's first.
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If you do the route from there,
he is first. You can check that.
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And then there's just the two of us.
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And she wants to get another drink,
to keep talking.
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Her suggestion.
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But that's not going to work
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because the only place near there that's
still open at that time is the Cabin,
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the place we've just come from.
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So she says… she asks…
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where do I live?
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Can we get a drink back at mine?
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Her idea.
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"Don't get any funny ideas,"
she tells me.
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Loud and clear.
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This is platonic. That's the message.
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And God knows why that's the message,
given the reasons we're here,
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but that was what was said at the time,
and is understood by me, loud and clear.
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She says she wants my advice.
"Please," you know, because, uh…
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"Because you're where I want to be
in five years' time"
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All her.
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And so we do.
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We drink wine at mine.
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Music, uh…
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I'm on the sofa, she's on the chair.
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She gets up, goes to the loo,
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comes back in again, sits back down,
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but now she's on the sofa next to me.
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Close.
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Right up here, close, in like that.
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And I don't mind it.
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I'll be honest. I don't mind it.
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I mean, she's there, she's flirting,
making all the running.
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That's up to her. She's…
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She's drinking, she's choosing the music.
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She says she's going to kiss me
because she likes this song.
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She kisses me…
You know, I kiss her back.
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I'm not saying that I don't.
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Then it gets to the point
where she's… so pissed,
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and the songs she's picking are so loud,
and not what anyone needs to be hearing,
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that I, um…
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I book her an Uber.
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You've got that from before.
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I get her an Uber. It's on my account.
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But when it comes, she won't take it.
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Now I can't get her to go.
She sits back down.
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"One for the road!"
And she's fit, yes.
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And I'm not-- What's…
What's the word… uninterested.
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We end up in the bedroom
and in the bed… on the bed.
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I never said we didn't.
We do it once, one and a half times.
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Badly, probably.
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But we both wanted to do it
and that's the point.
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And in the morning, she's…
she's gone, which is okay.
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We don't speak
on the Saturday or the Sunday,
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and on the Monday afternoon
when she's back in the office,
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neither of us mentions it.
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It's not until today,
that's basically a week later,
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that your lot turn up
and start with all this shit.
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And this shit's going to ruin me.
[sobbing softly]
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[shudders, sniffs]
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[Hobbs] Do you want to say it or shall I?
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No, no. You can go.
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Okay.
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Alex…
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We don't believe you.
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[sighs]
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[eerie music playing]
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[machine whirring]
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[elevator dings]
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[indistinct chatter]
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Alex, there was a moment there,
when you were explaining what happened,
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when you wanted something written down.
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It was important, I could tell.
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The fact that Sarah was the one
that suggested we go back to mine.
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-That is important.
-I get it.
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-And so I did want that written down.
-I get that.
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-And did you?
-Sorry?
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Write it down?
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Yeah.
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But the point I'm making
is that when you made that gesture,
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you made it to me.
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You didn't ask Tony,
even though we both have notebooks.
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I don't follow.
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Even though it was Tony
who you were looking at at the time.
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-No, hang on.
-You still made that gesture at me.
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For me to write it down.
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No, no. Are you trying to say that's
because you're a woman? Is that it?
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Because that's not what that was.
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To be clear,
there's no way you're doing that.
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-I'm just asking.
-Yeah, and don't worry, I'm answering.
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I asked you to write it down,
because I wanted it written down.
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And I had to ask someone. It was a 50-50.
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Maybe in your mind,
I don't know, I look more, um…
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-secretarial?
-[Alex scoffs]
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[laughing] This is…
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[Hobbs] Look, I'm sure
you didn't mean anything by it.
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And it's not like it changes
anything that's happening here.
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It's just…
well, it speaks to something.
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How we do things,
judge people without thinking…
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Sorry, but this has nothing to do
with why we're here.
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This has everything to do
with why we're here. This stuff…
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Oh, this is where it starts.
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[Petit] Is that the real Natalie,
or is that just a…
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strategy?
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-[Warren] I'm not sure.
-[Petit] Mmm.
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Tony's not sure either.
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Look.
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[Warren] Oh, he's okay. Just limbering up.
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Okay, Alex. Listen.
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Rather than attack your story,
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turn this into an argument,
us accusing you and so on,
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we're better off telling you why
we've deemed it necessary to arrest you.
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Go through some of the details
you've either chosen not to mention…
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-I haven't "chosen" not to--
-Wait.
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Or details you may be unaware of.
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So that you get to see things
from our side.
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So you get the chance to explain
why we've got this so very wrong.
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Okay?
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No point going after you
for something that hasn't happened.
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-No.
-No.
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No point taking Sarah's account
as reliable
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without interrogating it properly.
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-No.
-No.
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No point not doing the same
with your account.
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-No.
-Okay. Good.
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Right.
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Before we get bogged down
in all the details
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surrounding the alleged rape itself,
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let me start you with this one.
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Who is Claire Hassan?
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Sarah's mate.
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[Myerscough] Sarah's best mate.
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Claire Hassan, here she is…
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was the one
who recommended Sarah to your agency
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because she was interested
in working in property.
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[Alex] Yeah. Her…
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Her brother worked with us once.
Nyle Hassan. Why?
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[Myerscough] Claire Hassan…
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is also flatmates with Sarah.
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Now, she and Sarah
were always messaging each other.
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Dozens of times a day,
you know the kind of thing.
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Were you aware of that?
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Why would I be aware of that?
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No, fair point.
But that's great for us, to be honest.
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Because by letting us
have access to their phones,
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it lets us have access
to a whole wealth of data.
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Clues, essentially.
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Clues to where Sarah was,
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when Sarah was in those places…
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And how Sarah was feeling
at any given time,
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including sixth March,
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the night she was with you. Now…
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If I can get my colleague Vanessa to…
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[beep]
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[Myerscough] What does that mean,
do we think?
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How would you describe that?
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I dunno. Pissed off? Angry?
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It's definitely a dissatisfied face,
isn't it?
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This is what Sarah sent Claire Hassan
at 4:00 a.m.,
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the night she was with you.
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I'm not denying it.
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-Denying what?
-That we were together that night.
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-I've literally just told you.
-Alex, calm down.
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We're just getting started here.
Fly off the handle, by all means.
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But there is stuff coming up, I promise.
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Three minutes later, even at that time,
Claire writes back…
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And then straight after, we get this.
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-"He just kissed me."
-"He just kissed me."
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That's what it says.
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So what does it mean?
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It means what it says it means.
"He just kissed me."
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As in?
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As in, "We went back to his place…"
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as in, my place, which we did,
I've said that more than once…
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And she knows her best mate's wondering
what's gone on between me and her,
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me and Sarah, gossip-wise.
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So Sarah's messaged, "He just kissed me."
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As in…
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As in,
"All that's happened is, we kissed."
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Just a burger and no fries.
Just a soft drink, not a beer.
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Just a kiss, nothing more.
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-So she wanted to kiss?
-Yes.
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-She was okay with that?
-Yes.
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So why the angry emoji?
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You know, because…
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Because she liked me.
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Run that one by me again, sorry.
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Ever since joining the company,
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she was always, uh, hanging around.
You know?
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If we were out together,
she'd be right there,
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following, laughing at all my shit jokes.
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If there was a sales meeting
and I looked at her,
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00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,200
I'd notice she was already looking at me.
That kind of thing.
248
00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,440
She fancied you.
249
00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,440
Yeah, in a word, mate, yes.
250
00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,720
That's not me making out I'm good-looking.
251
00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,440
I'm not bad looking, but there are
better-looking guys out there, okay?
252
00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,320
Most women don't fancy me
as far as I know.
253
00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,800
Some women do,
and she was one of the ones that did,
254
00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,000
and she was doing little things
to let me know…
255
00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,680
No. Still talking.
256
00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,880
[exhales] Oof.
257
00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,600
When we were out together that night,
258
00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,160
at the bar,
259
00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,280
she got what she wanted:
me on my own, then back to my place.
260
00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,760
She got a kiss, like I said,
261
00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,720
and that's when at that point,
I decided to leave it,
262
00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,320
and that's when she sent that message.
263
00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,960
She's angry. But only as a bit of a joke.
264
00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,440
She's angry because
all we'd done was kiss.
265
00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,120
"Just kissed,"
when she was wanting more.
266
00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,600
[Hobbs] But she got more.
267
00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:00,800
[Alex] In the end. In the end she did.
268
00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,680
That's the other thing. Sarah was…
269
00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,760
What's the word I'm looking for?
270
00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:06,240
Drunk?
271
00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:08,640
Persuasive.
272
00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,240
Sarah's one of those girls who can, uh…
273
00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,040
you know, get her own way.
Hard to say no to.
274
00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,760
Why do you think I gave her
the sales job in the first place?
275
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,720
[beeping]
276
00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,280
[Warren] Hilarious,
the way that he's talking.
277
00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,680
It's as if he was the one
who was forced into it.
278
00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,400
Can you tell, as a woman?
279
00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,080
Can you look at a guy
and get a feeling he might be trouble?
280
00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,600
No, of course you can't, Kyle.
281
00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,120
How do you think we end up
in situations like this?
282
00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,800
They don't come wearing a badge.
283
00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,840
[Hobbs] There's more to it
than that, though.
284
00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,360
There's a man who knows
what he wants.
285
00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,600
Careful, Guv.
286
00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,240
Alright, I haven't said it yet.
287
00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,240
There's the guy who knows
what he wants, right?
288
00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:02,360
Assertive.
289
00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,880
Assertiveness can be attractive.
Women can be drawn to that.
290
00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,640
And then there's the assertive type
who is so sure of what he wants,
291
00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,440
and is so used to getting it,
that when it doesn't happen…
292
00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,280
-He just takes it.
-Yeah.
293
00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,800
So we don't spot the clue,
because the clue is the quality.
294
00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,320
And that's how we end up
with situations like this.
295
00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,920
How are we doing
with this medical report?
296
00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,600
-Here you go, Guv.
-Thank you.
297
00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,400
Oh…
298
00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,960
-This is all they sent us?
-It's everything you asked for.
299
00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,000
Diagrams on the blue pages,
gynecologist's statement at the back.
300
00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,560
-Needs fattening up.
-As in?
301
00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,440
Put it in a bigger file
with a load of paper, or a heavy notebook.
302
00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,720
But this is the file they sent.
303
00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,560
-I'm not with you. Sorry.
-[sighs]
304
00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,640
Doesn't matter what else is in the folder.
305
00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,680
It's all about first impressions.
306
00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,200
When you bring in a file
that contains evidence,
307
00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,280
you don't want to put it down
like it's a flappy bit of paper.
308
00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,080
You want to whack it down
like it's War and bloody Peace.
309
00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,280
[buzzer]
310
00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,680
[tense music playing]
311
00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,200
So when do we take it through?
312
00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,800
[Warren] Tony wants it
as soon as he opens his can of water.
313
00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:50,840
[beep]
314
00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,920
[Myerscough] Interview resumes at 18:52.
Same persons present in the room.
315
00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,520
Let's go through Sarah's account.
316
00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,320
Sarah Macklin.
317
00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,600
Not that you need reminding of course,
but here's one we took earlier.
318
00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,840
Now, a lot of what Sarah says
319
00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,840
in the statement that she gave to her OIC,
320
00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,360
that's her Officer In Care…
321
00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,440
It's quite faithful to yours,
to be honest.
322
00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,280
Uh…
323
00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:20,960
You bought the first round, but only
because you always buy the first round.
324
00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,800
Flanagan's house was the first drop-off
on the way back home,
325
00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,880
and she willingly came back
to your flat for a drink.
326
00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,320
And that it was her idea.
327
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,320
And that it was her idea.
Yes, she agrees.
328
00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,960
"I was the one who suggested
we have one more,
329
00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,600
go back to his and all that."
330
00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:38,560
And then…
331
00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,640
she goes into this whole thing
about blaming herself,
332
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,400
and her Officer In Care is saying how
she shouldn't blame herself for anything.
333
00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,720
Blah, blah, blah…
334
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,360
And… Yes.
335
00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,640
"He says yes to going back to his.
336
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,120
'There's nothing to worry about,' he says.
'My girlfriend is away.'"
337
00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:03,040
And?
338
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:04,440
[clicks tongue]
339
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,560
Nothing, only you didn't mention that bit.
340
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,360
About having a girlfriend.
341
00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,360
No.
342
00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:11,720
Why?
343
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,920
Because it's not relevant.
344
00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,240
Because she's not going to be
my girlfriend anymore.
345
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,240
Because of all this?
346
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,920
She looks nice.
347
00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,920
Well, maybe you should
go out with her.
348
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,920
Sorry.
349
00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,920
Sarah says she was dancing.
She says that you chose the music.
350
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:46,960
Not true.
351
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,280
[Myerscough] "He put on 'Beautiful'
by Christina Aguilera."
352
00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:52,280
-Not true.
-"Said it was one of his favorites."
353
00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:54,880
-Definitely not true.
-"In a guilty pleasure kind of way.
354
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,120
It made him think about beautiful things
and what everyone was doing to the planet,
355
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,560
and sometimes it even made him cry."
356
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,480
Are you the crying type, Alex?
357
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,440
-You ever been known to shed a tear?
-[solicitor] You need to stop that.
358
00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,680
Quite right.
359
00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,120
Back to the attack.
360
00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:13,200
"I had a good time. I fancied him.
361
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,040
I snogged him. I liked it to begin with.
362
00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:17,840
I remember thinking
he was a good kisser, to be fair.
363
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,000
A sensitive kisser.
364
00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,360
But what pissed me off…"
This will be the angry face.
365
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,400
"…is that he had this way about him
366
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,360
where he was expecting things
to happen between us straightaway."
367
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,280
No.
368
00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:29,920
"He just presumed, in that way
when you bring home chips,
369
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,520
or a Chinese meal, or whatever,
you eat it the second you get home.
370
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,040
Before the song was even over,
371
00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,240
he was trying to put his hand
down the front of my trousers."
372
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,080
That song's four minutes long.
373
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,440
-Quick work.
-I did not put my hand there.
374
00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,440
She put my hand there.
375
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,200
I can't believe we're even…
376
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,920
Does this stuff get played in court?
377
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,280
What makes you think
this is going to court?
378
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,840
[tense music playing]
379
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,240
"He started doing that.
380
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,440
Trying to get his fingers in.
381
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,560
I didn't want him to go that far.
382
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,840
I could see a picture of his girlfriend
on the side,
383
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,160
she was looking at us
from a photo frame."
384
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,080
Yes. That's the photo
she was looking at.
385
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,120
"Staring at us
like we were doing something wrong.
386
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,400
I asked him to stop it,
to book me an Uber."
387
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,440
-"But the Uber never came."
-It's on my phone.
388
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,560
[Hobbs] The booking is.
So is the cancellation.
389
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,480
-[Alex] She asked me to cancel it.
-[Hobbs] She says it was you.
390
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,240
And no one will ever know.
391
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,200
That she was annoyed it hadn't come,
the Uber,
392
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,800
so she went to the toilet
and texted her mate Claire.
393
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,080
"He just kissed me,"
angry face, all of that.
394
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,320
"And when I came out
he said it was time to go hit the hay."
395
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,160
As in, go to bed, yeah?
396
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,480
Is that one of your phrases?
397
00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:47,760
-Can you verbalize that for the tape?
-[Alex groans]
398
00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:49,760
I don't know anymore.
399
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,000
Have you got that?
400
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,520
Have you got that?
401
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,120
Can you read my lips?
402
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,400
I do not know what is happening here.
403
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,160
What you were saying, okay,
that is not what fucking happened.
404
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,800
[Warren] "Bungalow Reunion."
405
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,840
[Petit] "Bungalow reunion?"
406
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,440
It's the last message
407
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,680
that Claire sent Sarah
before Sarah called it in.
408
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,040
[hissing]
409
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,480
Remember, state clearly
that what you're holding is evidence,
410
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,040
then put it down, yes?
411
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,200
[fizzing]
412
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:44,960
Here you go.
413
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,040
-[Myerscough clears throat]
-[keypad beeping]
414
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,560
[door buzzing]
415
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,360
[Hobbs] For the tape, Detective
Constable Petit has entered the room.
416
00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:58,360
The medical report.
417
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,600
Thank you.
418
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,720
One of the worst parts of our job.
419
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:17,920
Paperwork.
420
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,440
Thank you.
421
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,600
[tense music playing]
422
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,840
Call the detectives that brought him in.
See if it rings any bells with them.
423
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,440
[Petit] The specific phrase was
"bungalow reunion."
424
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,120
If this was a place they rented
or somewhere they went on holiday,
425
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,800
we wouldn't know, because we don't
have access to their bank transactions.
426
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,600
Well, I'm happy to look for you,
but sending it all over will take time.
427
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:14,880
How about you check,
and call me if something comes up?
428
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:24,240
Bye, now.
429
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,520
[Hobbs] If you're right,
and you didn't assault her,
430
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,480
why would Sarah say that you did?
431
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,520
She didn't contact us
for several days after the alleged attack.
432
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,800
Why would that be?
433
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,960
It's not his job to work that out.
434
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,440
[Hobbs] No, no.
435
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,280
But if he has an idea,] it might help.
436
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,520
See, normally,
437
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,960
if someone's got good reason
to deny something like this…
438
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,480
They're gonna get back to us.
439
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,440
[Hobbs] There's been so much going on,
440
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,760
maybe you haven't had a chance
to give it a proper thought.
441
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,560
It's all I've been thinking about.
442
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,280
[Hobbs] And yet you have no theory?
443
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:04,720
Oh, I've got a theory.
I just don't like it.
444
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,560
I don't want to think
I think this way about women.
445
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,280
I don't like the way
it will make her sound.
446
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,080
She's accusing you of rape.
447
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,440
Alright, look…
448
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,080
[sighs]
449
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,800
She was applying
for a more senior role at the office.
450
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,280
She was never gonna get it.
451
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,280
She probably knew that
before she applied.
452
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,720
On Tuesday…
453
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:36,240
Tuesday, after she'd been at the flat,
454
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,920
my co-manager Jason
told her she hadn't got it.
455
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:41,840
He said she was pissed off.
456
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,040
And then I realized that…
457
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,440
you know, maybe she only, um…
458
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,840
She only slept with you to get the job?
459
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:55,880
It just became…
460
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,880
obvious to me at that point.
461
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:04,160
And completely honestly, if you want
to know what I really think…
462
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,720
If she got that promotion and there'd been
another one going the next week after,
463
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,640
she'd have done
the same thing again.
464
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,520
That's actually not very helpful.
[clears throat]
465
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,680
I hate the fact that I think that, but…
466
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,960
But that's what I think.
467
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,840
[Hobbs] Hmm.
468
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:28,120
[Myerscough] Okay, the medical report.
469
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,960
Before you start with all that, Detective,
470
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,440
would it be okay
to have a word with my client?
471
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:34,840
Of course. No problem.
472
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,600
Do you want us to find you a room?
473
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,320
No, this one's fine.
It'll only take five minutes.
474
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,440
You do know this room is monitored?
475
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,120
We'll be able to see and hear you.
476
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,080
That's okay.
We have nothing to hide.
477
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,000
Okay.
478
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,880
[Myerscough] Interview suspended at 19:05.
479
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,680
[beep]
480
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,960
[door opens]
481
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,640
-[door closes]
-[solicitor clears throat]
482
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,520
Okay.
483
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,880
Forget what actually happened.
Don't worry about that.
484
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,240
Just tell me this.
485
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,760
If that report shows Sarah suffered
significant internal bruising…
486
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,480
-I don't think--
-Just let me ask you the question.
487
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,960
If that's what it says,
488
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,800
I'm not saying it will, but if that's
what's in there, for whatever reason…
489
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,880
What do you think
that means for you, legally?
490
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,840
That… well…
491
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,680
If that's what it says…
492
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,000
That looks bad, I guess,
but that's not what it's--
493
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,000
Stop there.
494
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,040
Now, if on the other hand
it shows no signs of internal bruising…
495
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:44,360
-[Alex] Which it will.
-Okay, now, but hypothetically…
496
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,040
What does that mean, legally?
497
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,560
Well, that's got to be good, hasn't it?
That means, you know, um…
498
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,840
-normal sex, which is what we had.
-Good.
499
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,440
And anything in between those two points
500
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,640
is on a sliding scale, if you like.
501
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,960
Degrees of interpretation.
502
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,760
Okay, so this is what
you need to understand clearly
503
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,240
before we let these people
back into this room.
504
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,800
All of those answers are wrong.
505
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,000
Because…
506
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,280
internal bruising alone
can never prove rape.
507
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,920
There's always a way to maintain,
however severe,
508
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,360
that the bruising is the result
of consensual intercourse, yes?
509
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,720
Which breaks my heart,
to be honest, love, but that's the rule.
510
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,720
And it has to be the rule
to prevent the rare exceptions…
511
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,400
[sniffs]
512
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,840
-You okay?
-[clears throat]
513
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,520
And for similar reasons,
a lack of bruising
514
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,320
cannot show an absence of rape.
515
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,520
Does that make sense?
516
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,600
As in, rapes are not always a fight
or a physical overpowering.
517
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,320
They can be coercive.
518
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,360
But wait, that's bad.
519
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,400
-I'm her boss. They might think I--
-Alex.
520
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,760
-But I didn't.
-Alex.
521
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,280
All you need to understand…
522
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,800
Whatever's in that file…
523
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,560
It cannot show anything either way.
524
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,160
That's why they make
a song-and-dance about bringing it in,
525
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,080
making a point about putting the page back
in the file before they leave the room.
526
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,800
They want you to feel
there's more in there than there is.
527
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,920
They want you to think it's relevant,
528
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:34,400
but thankfully for you, love, it's not.
529
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,360
And they know it.
530
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,760
Is there internal bruising?
531
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,960
[solicitor clears throat]
532
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,800
That's why, when they come back in,
533
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,600
and this one here starts all the business
with the glasses and the file…
534
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,400
we do not rise to it.
535
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,160
Okay?
536
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,000
[clears throat]
537
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,080
[sighs]
538
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,680
Ready now. Thank you.
539
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,240
Alright. We go back to her statement.
Her account.
540
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,880
Go through her version, every detail.
541
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,760
We've still got
the semen on the jacket.
542
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,800
You're allowed to have sex
with someone who's wearing a jacket.
543
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,600
But it suggests
she was trying to leave.
544
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,680
-So?
-So that backs up her story.
545
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,240
But it's the same old defense, isn't it?
546
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Passion.
547
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,480
If there's bruising, it's passion.
548
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,120
If she's still in her coat and shoes,
it's passion.
549
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,320
Everything is in his favor.
550
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,120
You say it like you think he did it.
551
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,640
And I'm not saying that he didn't,
552
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,280
or that we don't put him
through the wringer, but…
553
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,520
Let's be honest, we've got nothing
that contradicts his account.
554
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,840
Okay, so he's a bit of a prat.
555
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,680
Doesn't make him guilty.
556
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,200
[Myerscough] And the fact that
the system's tipped in his favor,
557
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,640
it's not his fault, is it?
558
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,520
[solicitor] Hello?
559
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,080
[eerie music playing]
560
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,560
[beep]
561
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,240
[Myerscough] Interview resumes at 19:10.
562
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,480
Right, let's get to it. This attack…
563
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,920
There was no attack.
564
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,480
Well, then, the moment
you slept together, then, badly.
565
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,600
The intercourse. What happened?
566
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,800
-In what way, sorry?
-Well, I don't know. You tell me.
567
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,880
Were you on top, pinning her down?
568
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,200
You were in the bedroom, you said.
Were you there the whole time?
569
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,400
Were you on the bed throughout?
570
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,200
Paint us a picture.
571
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,200
Well, we… or she, I should say…
572
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,600
decided to go to take things
to the bedroom.
573
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,480
We had been kissing
and we were drunk, as I said.
574
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,000
And then she asked if I loved Anja.
575
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,400
My girlfriend.
576
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,760
Do you?
577
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,800
Yes.
578
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,120
Is that what you told her?
579
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,280
No.
580
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,920
I thought if we were about to have sex
she'd prefer to hear that I didn't.
581
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560
And they say chivalry is dead.
582
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,120
So what you mean is,
you manipulated her?
583
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,760
I lied about loving my girlfriend
584
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,880
to improve the chances
of us having consensual sex,
585
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,640
which is what we did.
586
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,920
So you manipulated her.
587
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,920
Did you tie her up?
588
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,040
No.
589
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,960
Really? Not even…
590
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,280
What about around the wrists?
591
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,200
Nope.
592
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,080
Did you hold her
593
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,640
around the wrists?
594
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,240
No.
595
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,360
You don't sound certain.
596
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,080
I'm sure I…
597
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,160
-Wait, by "hold her"--
-Just answer the question, Alex.
598
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,240
[message alert]
599
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,800
Look…
600
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,440
See…
601
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,040
what your solicitor here told you
602
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,720
is right.
603
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,560
The stuff that's in here isn't relevant,
604
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,400
legally, for all the reasons
that she said, but…
605
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,920
a very simple fact remains.
606
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,240
Whatever's in here
607
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,320
still needs to match what you're saying,
608
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,400
and if it doesn't…
609
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,880
Well, then we've got a problem.
610
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,640
I say "we"…
611
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,200
Yeah, alright. Look, please…
612
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,440
I do not have any recollection
of holding her, or tying her wrists.
613
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,000
That's not really my…
614
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,400
That's not the way I tend to do things
when I do things, okay?
615
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,160
But maybe I might have…
616
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,320
held her like that briefly.
617
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,120
If I did… I don't think I did, but…
618
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,880
I'm just trying to…
619
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,720
I'm not sure.
620
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,800
-Why?
-Why?
621
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,760
-Aren't you sure?
-Because I was dr…
622
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:49,720
Drunk?
623
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,280
That's it. You told us that
from the very beginning.
624
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,280
"I was pissed, because I was.
That's allowed."
625
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,880
So you were drunk from about 11:00 p.m.?
626
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,760
-Around then.
-"Around then"?
627
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,200
All right, we'll be generous,
but by that score,
628
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,520
anything you say about anything
that happened after 11:00 p.m.
629
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,880
is also not to be trusted.
630
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,640
-Not with something like this. No.
-[Petit] Whoa.
631
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,320
I may have touched her wrist.
632
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,880
I don't remember everything,
every word that was said,
633
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,320
every thing that happened,
down to the tiniest detail.
634
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,360
But what I do know, and I'm sick to death
of you speaking to me like this…
635
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,000
is that I did not rape anyone.
636
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,880
I know that and you know that too,
and you should stop--
637
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:34,800
Alex.
638
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:35,880
I don't care.
639
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:40,480
I'm not answering any more
of his chip-on-the-shoulder questions.
640
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,200
Finished?
641
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,040
No comment.
642
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,400
-[beep]
-[Warren over speaker] Guv…
643
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,800
For the tape,
Detective Hobbs is leaving the room.
644
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,280
-[Petit] Ma'am.
-[Hobbs] Yes?
645
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,240
The picture of Claire Hassan
was lifted from her LinkedIn page.
646
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,560
It said she'd worked
in her last full-time job
647
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,400
for less than a month, last year.
648
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,480
Mm-hmm.
649
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,800
Turns out she had put herself
up for a promotion, hadn't got it,
650
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,880
then made an allegation of
sexual misconduct against her boss.
651
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,880
They ended up paying her to leave.
652
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,600
We had their bank accounts checked.
653
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,280
She spent the money
on a trip to South Africa.
654
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,240
And she took Sarah.
655
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,000
They shared something
called a Safari Bungalow.
656
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,960
Before she reported the attack
Sarah texted Claire,
657
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,800
saying she hadn't got the promotion.
658
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,360
Yes. I remember.
659
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,000
Claire messaged back…
660
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,080
"Bungalow reunion, question mark."
661
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,640
As if now was another opportunity
to, you know…
662
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,560
Cash in.
663
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,880
I just don't want that to be true.
664
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,360
I don't want any woman to be like that.
665
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,400
But we also don't want people going down
for things they haven't done.
666
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,200
Even if they are estate agents.
667
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,240
[buzzer]
668
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,600
For the tape, Detective Hobbs
has re-entered the room.
669
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,040
Alex, is there anything else
you'd like to say
670
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,760
in relation to the night you spent
with Sarah Macklin?
671
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,680
Any details you think
we might have missed?
672
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,440
Anything you have not said that might
prevent us from pressing charges?
673
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,160
Then with the time at 19:17,
674
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,200
I am terminating this interview.
675
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,920
You will be taken back to custody
to collect your things and be discharged.
676
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,920
Detective Myerscough will fill you in
on the remaining details,
677
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,120
but otherwise…
678
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,440
you're free to go.
679
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,680
[beep]
680
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,640
That's it, then? They believe me?
681
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,880
Well, they did not have
sufficient evidence
682
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,520
to corroborate the allegation made,
683
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,240
so the result is the same.
684
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,080
So what does that mean, now?
685
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,040
-Sorry?
-For me.
686
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,640
It means you get to go home.
687
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,280
But what do they give me?
688
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,400
What do you give me?
689
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,520
You put me through all that,
that living nightmare.
690
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,840
Now what?
You suddenly decide I'm telling the truth?
691
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,080
No, we didn't decide that.
692
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,200
We decided that we cannot show
that you're lying.
693
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,680
Those are different things.
694
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,520
But is there…
Where are you going?
695
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,320
I'm trying to ask you a question.
696
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,360
You're just walking out mid-sentence.
697
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,600
Is there some sort
of official form I receive?
698
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,000
I'd like a letter or a statement
699
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,520
or something on the record,
700
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,480
saying that I did not do this.
701
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,440
We don't know that you didn't.
702
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,080
It was her word against mine.
703
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,000
Exactly.
704
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,840
-So, hang on…
-I'm gonna go.
705
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,400
I'm expected to just get up, walk out…
No, no, look, please!
706
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,080
Please, would you just do me a favor…
707
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,080
and sit down.
708
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,760
And give me five minutes of your time,
when I gave you five hours.
709
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,040
[tense music playing]
710
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,520
[Petit] Should we get some uniform in here
in case this becomes a problem?
711
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,840
-[Hobbs] Yeah.
-I'll go.
712
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,720
[Alex] So just to be clear…
713
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,520
I'm now expected just to get up,
walk out of here,
714
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,840
go back to my life,
back to my office, the, uh…
715
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,320
the place your colleagues arrested me,
716
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,960
the place I was escorted out of,
717
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,960
in front of my mates,
colleagues, my clients…
718
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,640
I just go and rock back up there
in the morning, do I?
719
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,800
Well, if that's what you want to do.
720
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,440
It's what I need to do.
That's how I earn a living.
721
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,560
Okay, then.
722
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,000
"Okay, then," what?
723
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,520
If that's what you need to do,
that's what you'll need to do.
724
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,400
[chuckles softly]
725
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,400
[sighs]
726
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,280
My interest in all this ended
about three minutes ago.
727
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,760
[chuckles softly]
728
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,920
Tell me the answer to this one thing.
729
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,160
My, uh…
730
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:33,200
my mum and my stepdad
have this flat, in Liverpool.
731
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,080
They rent out to students.
732
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,240
Last year the police called
saying they needed to search it.
733
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,760
Something to do with…
734
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,200
drugs and one of their tenants,
or something.
735
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,040
They turned the place upside down.
736
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,600
Trashed it, basically.
737
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,440
But when they'd finished…
738
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,320
after they were done…
739
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,320
and she went back there to see it,
740
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,480
she walked back in
to find they'd put everything back.
741
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,280
It was perfect.
742
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,800
Any of the stuff they'd broken,
it had all been replaced.
743
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,240
Some of it was better than before.
So my question to you is…
744
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:16,560
Why?
745
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,720
Why did they put the furniture back?
746
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,200
Because she'd been inconvenienced.
747
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,720
I've been inconvenienced.
748
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,040
-She had committed no crime.
-Neither have I.
749
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,600
She was completely innocent.
750
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:30,720
So am I.
751
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,680
No.
752
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,480
You were arrested for something,
753
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,520
and we decided not to press charges.
754
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,840
And if that situation changes,
755
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,040
then we will be in touch.
756
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,400
-Sorry.
-But that's not good enough.
757
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,800
You have to help me out,
758
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,920
because whatever the truth is here,
this shit sticks.
759
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,760
That's the point.
760
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,000
I was tarnished the second your mates
came into my office in their uniforms,
761
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,520
and nowadays,
not being charged with rape,
762
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,640
that's not enough, okay?
763
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,320
People will say I got away with it,
764
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,280
that I wriggled out of it,
when I did not do it.
765
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,320
So you come back to my office, please.
766
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,560
You speak to my friends,
the women in my family…
767
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:21,600
you come back and you fix it.
768
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,000
You put the furniture back
just how it was.
769
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,800
-[sighs]
-[officer] Step back from the door.
770
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,360
[buzzing]
771
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,560
I think some other people
might need the room.
772
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,000
[Alex] But I want to keep talking.
773
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,560
Continue this conversation.
774
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,440
Alex, the conversation is over.
775
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,840
[chuckles softly]
776
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,600
He's one of the ones
that came to get me from before.
777
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,720
How many times do I have to prove
I'm not a problem to you people?
778
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,600
You stay away from me. Get off me!
779
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,000
Get off me! Take your hands off me!
780
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,720
Take your hands off me!
781
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,360
You're not allowed to do this.
782
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:18,200
Good work today.
783
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,280
Deciding to let him go.
That's a result. Yes?
784
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,280
Yeah.
785
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,280
Yeah.
786
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,800
[eerie music playing]
787
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,520
[eerie music continues]
788
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,880
[music intensifies]
789
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,680
[eerie music continues]