1 00:00:25,895 --> 00:00:28,637 May I have... I'm sure most everybody knows, 2 00:00:28,767 --> 00:00:31,335 but for anybody who might not, may we introduce you by name? 3 00:00:31,422 --> 00:00:32,510 - Al Jardine - Thank you, Al. 4 00:00:32,554 --> 00:00:34,208 - Dennis Wilson. - Thank you. 5 00:00:34,295 --> 00:00:36,558 - Brian Wilson. - Carl Wilson. 6 00:00:36,645 --> 00:00:38,647 Mike Love. 7 00:00:38,734 --> 00:00:41,345 Now, I think, uh... whoop, what happened? There you are. 8 00:00:41,432 --> 00:00:42,912 How long has this singing been going on? 9 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:44,740 About three years now. 10 00:00:44,783 --> 00:00:47,308 You know, it's an amazing thing, because you have hit after hit. 11 00:00:47,351 --> 00:00:51,138 Who determines, Brian, what will be done next? 12 00:00:51,225 --> 00:00:52,574 Well, I guess I do, I don't know. 13 00:00:54,315 --> 00:00:54,924 I write the songs and produce them, 14 00:00:55,011 --> 00:00:57,231 so I have a lot to say about it. 15 00:00:57,318 --> 00:00:59,581 - I think it's beautiful. 16 00:00:59,711 --> 00:01:01,583 This is a little intro, you know. 17 00:01:01,713 --> 00:01:03,715 All right, let's try to really pull it off good now. 18 00:01:03,802 --> 00:01:05,369 Here we go. 19 00:01:18,295 --> 00:01:19,688 Play hard and strong, all the way. 20 00:01:19,775 --> 00:01:21,820 - You know the part... 21 00:01:21,907 --> 00:01:23,474 - Do-do, do-do... - Yeah, after the horn. 22 00:01:23,561 --> 00:01:24,954 That's your spot... do-do, do-do. 23 00:01:25,041 --> 00:01:27,130 And then what after that, Brian? Then he goes... 24 00:01:27,217 --> 00:01:30,264 Boom! Two, three, four... 25 00:01:30,351 --> 00:01:31,395 - Let me hear the organ. - Ba-dum! 26 00:01:31,482 --> 00:01:32,483 - Perfect. 27 00:01:32,570 --> 00:01:33,876 Okay, we'll go with that. 28 00:01:33,963 --> 00:01:35,399 Let's go again, please. 29 00:01:43,886 --> 00:01:45,975 - Here we go. - Yeah. 30 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,418 You've been out on this really long tour. 31 00:01:54,505 --> 00:01:56,725 - Right. - You know, recording 32 00:01:56,812 --> 00:01:58,030 several new albums. 33 00:01:58,074 --> 00:01:59,989 Uh... you know, really nonstop since, you know, 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,208 since your late '50s era. 35 00:02:01,338 --> 00:02:03,035 - Right, right. - Um... 36 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:05,299 How do you explain that kind of burst of creativity and energy? 37 00:02:05,429 --> 00:02:06,561 Where does the, this, this sudden surge 38 00:02:06,648 --> 00:02:09,390 of creativity and energy come for you? 39 00:02:09,433 --> 00:02:12,436 It starts in my brain... 40 00:02:12,567 --> 00:02:14,960 makes its way out onto the piano... 41 00:02:15,047 --> 00:02:17,572 and then on to the... to the speakers in the studio. 42 00:02:17,659 --> 00:02:19,574 Yeah. 43 00:02:19,661 --> 00:02:20,966 Is that something you can explain? 44 00:02:21,053 --> 00:02:22,185 Is that something that's even explainable? 45 00:02:22,229 --> 00:02:23,839 No, I can't. I can't. 46 00:02:23,882 --> 00:02:25,449 And now, okay, I'd like to start it out 47 00:02:25,580 --> 00:02:28,365 with the, uh, organ and the Fender bass. 48 00:02:30,106 --> 00:02:31,629 He was one of the first people 49 00:02:31,673 --> 00:02:34,328 to actually use the studio as an instrument itself. 50 00:02:34,415 --> 00:02:35,807 Play hard and strong all the way. 51 00:02:35,894 --> 00:02:37,853 - Really feel it, fellas, play. 52 00:02:37,896 --> 00:02:39,942 And there's a certain amount of songwriting you can 53 00:02:39,985 --> 00:02:41,987 learn how to do and you can educate yourself, and then... 54 00:02:42,074 --> 00:02:43,598 - Watch me on that part. - ...it's just a fact 55 00:02:43,685 --> 00:02:45,643 that some people are just better than other people... 56 00:02:45,687 --> 00:02:46,992 and Brian's one of the people who's 57 00:02:47,079 --> 00:02:47,993 just better than other people. 58 00:02:48,037 --> 00:02:49,995 Are we ready? Let's go. 59 00:02:50,082 --> 00:02:51,606 Take five, "Good Vibrations." 60 00:02:56,611 --> 00:02:57,786 "Good Vibrations," goddamn. 61 00:02:57,873 --> 00:02:59,701 The idea that the chorus is at one studio 62 00:02:59,788 --> 00:03:01,572 and the verses are in the other studio? 63 00:03:01,703 --> 00:03:05,097 That's why that song is so freaky and so wonderful. 64 00:03:05,141 --> 00:03:08,710 "Good Vibrations" was recorded in four studios: 65 00:03:08,797 --> 00:03:13,367 Western, Sunset Sound, Gold Star and RCA Victor. 66 00:03:13,454 --> 00:03:15,717 Well, each studio was different, you know? 67 00:03:15,804 --> 00:03:17,588 Like, you can't... not any one studio's the same. 68 00:03:20,678 --> 00:03:24,073 He sets a very high standard for... 69 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,118 not just being innovative, 70 00:03:26,162 --> 00:03:31,907 but... to... also be emotionally evocative. 71 00:03:49,664 --> 00:03:51,274 Well, he used all the orchestra. 72 00:03:51,318 --> 00:03:52,623 He used orchestral things. 73 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:54,973 He used timpani, he used woodwinds. 74 00:03:55,104 --> 00:03:57,237 His musical knowledge wasn't just as a band. 75 00:03:57,324 --> 00:03:58,977 He had an orchestra in his head. 76 00:04:04,418 --> 00:04:07,203 I mean, the Beatles had George Martin to do it for them, 77 00:04:07,290 --> 00:04:08,900 but Brian, he did it himself. 78 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:16,343 Well, the Beatles were probably my favorite group. 79 00:04:16,473 --> 00:04:19,781 Very, very inspirational with "Rubber Soul." 80 00:04:19,911 --> 00:04:22,000 That made me write the "Pet Sounds" album. 81 00:04:25,874 --> 00:04:28,093 The level of musicianship and musicality... 82 00:04:28,180 --> 00:04:31,096 I don't think anybody's touched it yet, for, for my money. 83 00:04:35,797 --> 00:04:36,972 Back at that time, 84 00:04:37,015 --> 00:04:40,671 there's a lot of upbeat, up-tempo songs, 85 00:04:40,758 --> 00:04:44,545 but Brian brought in this haunting harmony. 86 00:04:46,982 --> 00:04:47,896 You know there's something going on 87 00:04:47,939 --> 00:04:49,680 with Brian Wilson. 88 00:04:49,811 --> 00:04:52,248 There's no hiding that this man is troubled 89 00:04:52,335 --> 00:04:55,251 and trying to escape something. 90 00:05:02,476 --> 00:05:05,566 He's just... one of the greatest artists 91 00:05:05,653 --> 00:05:06,958 who ever walked the face of the earth... 92 00:05:09,265 --> 00:05:11,049 ...in our time or in any time. 93 00:05:12,834 --> 00:05:14,401 - Good vibrations 94 00:05:36,858 --> 00:05:39,513 While we're making the tapes, Pop, 95 00:05:39,643 --> 00:05:41,297 we won't be able to have that, uh, camera going. 96 00:05:43,517 --> 00:05:45,040 It's a wonderful treat for me tonight 97 00:05:45,083 --> 00:05:47,738 to have heard and seen the Beach Boys... 98 00:05:47,825 --> 00:05:49,261 - ...and as you can hear 99 00:05:49,305 --> 00:05:51,263 in the background, the girls are still hollering for them. 100 00:05:51,307 --> 00:05:54,005 I'm quite pleased to present to you two of them, 101 00:05:54,136 --> 00:05:56,747 Brian Wilson on my right, 102 00:05:56,834 --> 00:05:59,750 and Carl Wilson, his brother, on the left. 103 00:05:59,837 --> 00:06:01,404 So, this is just two of them. 104 00:06:01,491 --> 00:06:03,580 In just a minute, you'll meet the rest of them, but... 105 00:06:03,667 --> 00:06:05,277 Brian, I understand that you've written, uh, 106 00:06:05,321 --> 00:06:07,105 many of the songs that you all have recorded, and... 107 00:06:07,236 --> 00:06:12,110 when you write a song, um, for yourself or for your group... 108 00:06:12,197 --> 00:06:15,810 what gives you the, um, incentive to write them? 109 00:06:15,897 --> 00:06:18,856 Well, usually, uh, just the fact that we're in the industry 110 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:20,728 and there's a lot of groups competing with us, 111 00:06:20,771 --> 00:06:22,556 and, uh, I feel that competition, you know, 112 00:06:22,643 --> 00:06:25,080 and also I just... I love music, 113 00:06:25,167 --> 00:06:27,125 and I get very inspired just generally creative anyway... 114 00:06:27,256 --> 00:06:28,605 - Right, I understand. - You know, and I just do it 115 00:06:28,692 --> 00:06:30,302 all the time, write all the time. 116 00:06:30,346 --> 00:06:31,869 Well, now, the, um... how many of them have you had 117 00:06:31,913 --> 00:06:34,002 that have been million-sellers? 118 00:06:34,132 --> 00:06:35,656 Well, actually, million-sellers, we've had one million-seller, 119 00:06:35,699 --> 00:06:37,353 that was "I Get Around," just recently. 120 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,573 - You wrote this? - Yes, I did. 121 00:06:48,364 --> 00:06:50,366 - Get around, round... 122 00:06:50,497 --> 00:06:51,672 Here's this genius 123 00:06:51,715 --> 00:06:53,151 who just can't help but come up 124 00:06:53,282 --> 00:06:55,850 with these complex arrangements of harmonies, 125 00:06:55,937 --> 00:06:58,679 and then his little brother comes in and says, 126 00:06:58,766 --> 00:07:00,507 "Well, you guys should write songs about cars and surfing, 127 00:07:00,594 --> 00:07:02,378 'cause that's what kids are into." 128 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:14,564 Name some of them that you've written, Brian. 129 00:07:14,608 --> 00:07:16,044 - Okay... 130 00:07:16,131 --> 00:07:18,481 Well, starting with, uh, "Surfin'," our first record, 131 00:07:18,568 --> 00:07:22,050 "Surfin' Safari," "409," "Surfer Girl," "Little Deuce Coupe," 132 00:07:22,137 --> 00:07:23,747 "Shutdown," "Surfin' U.S.A," "Be True to Your School..." 133 00:07:23,878 --> 00:07:25,314 "The Little Old Lady from Pasadena"? 134 00:07:25,445 --> 00:07:26,750 That's Jan and Dean. 135 00:07:26,881 --> 00:07:29,274 - Is that right? - And, uh... "Fun, Fun, Fun..." 136 00:07:29,361 --> 00:07:30,928 - Oh, it goes on and on. - "I Get Around," 137 00:07:30,972 --> 00:07:32,626 "Don't Worry, Baby..." we had "Little Saint Nick" 138 00:07:32,713 --> 00:07:34,192 - at Christmastime... - Uh-huh. 139 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:36,281 - And then... pardon me? - "When I Grow Up..." 140 00:07:36,368 --> 00:07:38,109 - "When I Grow Up to Be a Man" and "She Knows Me Too Well" 141 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,111 are our latest records. 142 00:07:40,198 --> 00:07:41,765 Well, you certainly are a talented young man. 143 00:07:41,852 --> 00:07:43,506 Let's talk to your brother just a minute. 144 00:07:43,593 --> 00:07:45,465 Do you share this, uh, admiration for your brother? 145 00:07:45,552 --> 00:07:47,205 - Yes. Well... 146 00:07:47,292 --> 00:07:48,946 He's, he's done very well with us, you know, I mean... 147 00:07:48,990 --> 00:07:51,558 we've had great good luck with the records... 148 00:07:51,688 --> 00:07:52,907 And this... you're Carl, right? 149 00:07:52,994 --> 00:07:54,212 - Right. - Carl's the lead guitar player. 150 00:07:54,299 --> 00:07:55,518 Lead guitar. 151 00:07:55,562 --> 00:07:58,347 How did you, uh, assemble the group...? 152 00:07:58,434 --> 00:08:00,088 Well, one day, as we were walking down the street, 153 00:08:00,175 --> 00:08:01,568 we all bumped heads. 154 00:08:01,655 --> 00:08:03,787 - No, I don't know. - Seriously, Dennis got the idea 155 00:08:03,874 --> 00:08:05,528 that we should write something about surfing, 156 00:08:05,615 --> 00:08:07,878 because he was a big, avid server... surfer then. 157 00:08:07,965 --> 00:08:10,054 - You're a surfer. - Yes, ma'am. 158 00:08:10,098 --> 00:08:12,361 Well, this is something we don't have much out in Oklahoma. 159 00:08:12,448 --> 00:08:14,319 - I, I know. 160 00:08:14,363 --> 00:08:15,756 Thanks so much for stopping by. 161 00:08:15,799 --> 00:08:16,974 May I compliment you on your beautiful dress? 162 00:08:17,018 --> 00:08:18,759 - Thank you. - It is beautiful. 163 00:08:18,846 --> 00:08:20,456 I think it is beautiful... is it a gown or a dress or...? 164 00:08:20,587 --> 00:08:24,678 Well, actually it's, uh... sort of, um, a beach girl type... 165 00:08:24,808 --> 00:08:26,244 - I like that. - I wanted to be in style 166 00:08:26,331 --> 00:08:28,986 when I talk to the Beach Boys. 167 00:08:32,773 --> 00:08:34,383 At the end of the concert, 168 00:08:34,470 --> 00:08:36,603 the girls would all rush the stage to get Dennis. 169 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:38,605 You know, we'd say... me and Mike and the guys would go, 170 00:08:38,692 --> 00:08:40,041 "What's going on here," you know? 171 00:08:40,128 --> 00:08:44,175 The girls were all crying, "Dennis, Dennis," you know? 172 00:08:44,262 --> 00:08:47,744 - Yeah. He was our sex symbol. - Right, right. 173 00:08:49,006 --> 00:08:51,618 You and he had a little competition, uh, 174 00:08:51,705 --> 00:08:53,837 for some women sometimes, too, didn't you? 175 00:08:53,968 --> 00:08:55,186 - Who, me and Dennis? - Yeah. 176 00:08:55,273 --> 00:08:56,231 - No... - No? 177 00:08:56,274 --> 00:08:57,275 He was a ladies' man. 178 00:08:57,406 --> 00:08:59,016 I never was a ladies' man, you know? 179 00:08:59,060 --> 00:09:01,715 - Right. - He was always the ladies' man. 180 00:09:01,802 --> 00:09:03,455 What, what prevented you 181 00:09:03,499 --> 00:09:06,284 from being a ladies' man, do you think? 182 00:09:06,415 --> 00:09:08,112 Ah... just shy of girls, a little shy. 183 00:09:08,199 --> 00:09:10,637 Uh-huh, right. 184 00:09:35,009 --> 00:09:37,011 You can park right there. 185 00:09:37,098 --> 00:09:38,882 - JASON: In the handicapped? - Yeah. Yeah. 186 00:09:38,969 --> 00:09:40,231 - I always park there. - Really? 187 00:09:40,318 --> 00:09:42,320 - Yeah. - Okay. 188 00:09:42,451 --> 00:09:44,888 These guys'll probably wanna move it, but I'll park here. 189 00:09:44,975 --> 00:09:46,020 Okay. 190 00:09:46,150 --> 00:09:47,717 I'm hungry. 191 00:09:47,761 --> 00:09:49,676 - All right, let's get in there. - Okay. 192 00:09:52,243 --> 00:09:55,812 Must have been to this deli with you about... 20 times. 193 00:09:55,899 --> 00:09:57,684 - Yeah, at least 20. - Right? 194 00:09:57,771 --> 00:09:59,773 - Good times here. - Yeah. 195 00:09:59,903 --> 00:10:02,427 It's, uh... I'm, I'm hot, you know? 196 00:10:02,514 --> 00:10:03,690 - Yeah. - I'm nervous. 197 00:10:03,820 --> 00:10:05,561 - Yeah. - I didn't sleep last night, 198 00:10:05,648 --> 00:10:06,693 and my head feels wacky. 199 00:10:06,823 --> 00:10:08,303 - Oh, it does? - Yeah. 200 00:10:08,346 --> 00:10:09,565 Why don't we just relax? 201 00:10:09,652 --> 00:10:12,829 Okay. Enjoy our food. 202 00:10:15,266 --> 00:10:17,529 When you get scared, what do you do? 203 00:10:17,573 --> 00:10:19,270 You just take a deep breath? 204 00:10:19,357 --> 00:10:23,013 If I take... if I get scared, I take a, a deep breath, 205 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:24,711 but I take it... try and take it from my belly. 206 00:10:24,841 --> 00:10:26,582 - Oh, take it... 207 00:10:26,669 --> 00:10:28,062 - ...really deep in here... - Right. 208 00:10:28,149 --> 00:10:30,717 ...and then... 209 00:10:30,804 --> 00:10:32,457 How's your mood been? 210 00:10:32,544 --> 00:10:33,894 - My mood? - Yeah. 211 00:10:33,981 --> 00:10:35,591 - It's been about even... - Good. Good. 212 00:10:35,678 --> 00:10:38,289 Not depressed, not elated, just... 213 00:10:38,376 --> 00:10:39,726 - even. - Mm-hmm. 214 00:10:39,813 --> 00:10:41,292 - Yeah. - You feeling scared now? 215 00:10:41,379 --> 00:10:43,643 Little bit. 216 00:10:43,730 --> 00:10:46,080 It's nice to be with you. 217 00:10:46,167 --> 00:10:47,734 You're a good guy, Jason. 218 00:10:47,864 --> 00:10:50,388 Thank you, Brian. You are too. 219 00:10:50,475 --> 00:10:52,390 You are a cool person. 220 00:10:52,477 --> 00:10:56,046 You have a very consistent way of talking, you know? 221 00:10:56,133 --> 00:10:58,919 You sorta stay in this one space, you know? 222 00:10:58,962 --> 00:11:00,616 In talk. 223 00:11:00,703 --> 00:11:02,052 Does it make you feel comfortable? 224 00:11:02,139 --> 00:11:03,967 - Yeah, helps me out. - Good, I'm glad. 225 00:11:04,054 --> 00:11:04,968 When I'm scared, I listen to you talk, you know? 226 00:11:05,055 --> 00:11:06,187 - Really? - Yeah. 227 00:11:06,317 --> 00:11:08,102 And thinking... it'll calm you down? 228 00:11:08,189 --> 00:11:09,407 - Yeah! - All right, man. 229 00:11:09,494 --> 00:11:11,322 Well, I'm there for you. 230 00:11:11,409 --> 00:11:13,803 - I'm there for you too. - Thanks, man. 231 00:11:16,588 --> 00:11:18,634 I first met Brian in 1995. 232 00:11:18,721 --> 00:11:20,070 I went to interview him 233 00:11:20,157 --> 00:11:21,768 for the paper I was working for at the time, 234 00:11:21,898 --> 00:11:23,378 and we had a nice chat. 235 00:11:23,421 --> 00:11:25,641 And when I first came to work at Rolling Stone 236 00:11:25,728 --> 00:11:26,903 in 1997, 237 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:29,558 Brian had begun to start 238 00:11:29,645 --> 00:11:32,169 what was gonna be sort of a solo career. 239 00:11:32,213 --> 00:11:34,084 He was putting a band together, 240 00:11:34,215 --> 00:11:36,217 he was releasing a record called "Imagination," 241 00:11:36,347 --> 00:11:40,003 and I... convinced... Jann, my boss, 242 00:11:40,090 --> 00:11:42,745 to let me go to Chicago, where he was rehearsing. 243 00:11:42,789 --> 00:11:44,355 One of the first times we spoke, 244 00:11:44,442 --> 00:11:46,531 uh, we were sitting in his living room. 245 00:11:46,618 --> 00:11:48,577 We were talking, and sort of right in the middle of our chat, 246 00:11:48,664 --> 00:11:51,623 about 10 minutes in, he just started to fidget, 247 00:11:51,667 --> 00:11:53,625 and he, he said, "I gotta go." 248 00:11:53,669 --> 00:11:55,584 And he got up and he left. 249 00:11:55,671 --> 00:11:56,890 And I was sitting there, 250 00:11:57,020 --> 00:11:58,108 I didn't know if he was coming back 251 00:11:58,195 --> 00:12:00,981 or, or not coming back, and I waited a while, 252 00:12:01,024 --> 00:12:02,678 and I just sorta started looking around, 253 00:12:02,809 --> 00:12:04,898 and I found myself in the kitchen, 254 00:12:05,028 --> 00:12:07,030 where I found Brian in the refrigerator. 255 00:12:07,161 --> 00:12:08,989 I said, uh, "What's going on?" 256 00:12:09,076 --> 00:12:11,034 He said, "I just got a little scared." 257 00:12:11,165 --> 00:12:12,819 And I said, "Well, what did you get scared of?" 258 00:12:12,906 --> 00:12:14,646 He said, "I don't know. 259 00:12:14,690 --> 00:12:17,345 You know, sometimes I just get scared, things scare me." 260 00:12:17,388 --> 00:12:19,129 I said, "Like what?" 261 00:12:19,216 --> 00:12:21,610 He said, um, "Like 'What a Fool Believes.' 262 00:12:21,697 --> 00:12:23,481 "You know that song by the Doobie Brothers? 263 00:12:23,612 --> 00:12:24,744 Scares the hell out of me." 264 00:12:24,831 --> 00:12:26,397 You know? And it was just like that. 265 00:12:26,484 --> 00:12:28,051 And we started having these moments, 266 00:12:28,182 --> 00:12:30,488 and ever since then, it just kinda became 267 00:12:30,575 --> 00:12:33,796 part of my beat at Rolling Stone to cover Brian. 268 00:12:41,499 --> 00:12:43,675 - JASON: And we became buddies. 269 00:12:47,592 --> 00:12:50,378 The idea of doing an interview makes Brian nervous, 270 00:12:50,465 --> 00:12:52,684 so he'll often ask if we can just take a drive 271 00:12:52,728 --> 00:12:54,861 and listen to some music. 272 00:12:54,991 --> 00:12:57,515 Look at that old car. 273 00:12:57,602 --> 00:12:58,734 What kinda car is that? 274 00:12:58,821 --> 00:12:59,648 - What is that? - I don't know. 275 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:01,389 Is that a Rolls-Royce? 276 00:13:01,476 --> 00:13:03,870 Yeah, I think it's... don't think it's a Rolls. 277 00:13:03,957 --> 00:13:05,436 I think it's American, isn't it? 278 00:13:05,523 --> 00:13:06,742 Cadillac. 279 00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:08,396 - Cadillac? - Yeah. 280 00:13:08,483 --> 00:13:09,266 Old Cadillac, right? 281 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:11,616 - Yeah. - From what, the '30s? 282 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:13,444 Or maybe from the '40s? 283 00:13:13,575 --> 00:13:14,794 - Maybe '40s. - Yeah. 284 00:13:14,881 --> 00:13:17,057 Ask the guy, yell it out, ask him. 285 00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:19,537 - Well, I can't... - Hey, buddy?! 286 00:13:19,668 --> 00:13:21,017 What year is that car? 287 00:13:21,104 --> 00:13:22,845 - MAN: '41. - It's a '41. 288 00:13:22,932 --> 00:13:25,239 - Thank you. '41. 289 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,549 It was probably "Surfin' Safari," 290 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:33,508 the first Beach Boys record I ever bought. 291 00:13:33,551 --> 00:13:37,207 The voices, the tone of the voices, was so beautiful. 292 00:13:37,294 --> 00:13:39,340 Bit like a classical choir, in a way. 293 00:13:39,427 --> 00:13:43,126 It made California sound such an incredible place to go. 294 00:13:43,257 --> 00:13:45,389 You know, the rooftop is down. 295 00:13:45,476 --> 00:13:47,000 The story begins. 296 00:13:47,087 --> 00:13:50,090 And then they invite you into that world, 297 00:13:50,177 --> 00:13:52,875 and that world has its own rules and its own code 298 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:54,485 and its own story to tell. 299 00:13:54,572 --> 00:13:58,098 There was no greater world created in rock-and-roll 300 00:13:58,141 --> 00:14:00,013 than the Beach Boys. 301 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:01,928 I mean, they defined Southern California 302 00:14:02,015 --> 00:14:03,668 for everybody around the world. 303 00:14:03,755 --> 00:14:05,932 It just took you out of where you were 304 00:14:06,019 --> 00:14:07,498 and took you to another place. 305 00:14:09,370 --> 00:14:11,589 Have you ever been to Paradise Cove? 306 00:14:11,676 --> 00:14:13,722 Years and years ago. 307 00:14:13,809 --> 00:14:17,160 Do you remember when you were shooting the album cover 308 00:14:17,247 --> 00:14:18,727 for the Beach Boys' first album? 309 00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:19,946 Can't remember. 310 00:14:20,033 --> 00:14:22,252 Right. It's a long time ago. 311 00:14:22,296 --> 00:14:24,124 Yup. 312 00:14:24,211 --> 00:14:25,560 Was it a little bit funny singing all, 313 00:14:25,603 --> 00:14:28,041 all the songs about surfing without actually surfing? 314 00:14:28,128 --> 00:14:29,738 Yeah, Dennis surfed. I never learned. 315 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:31,522 - Right. - ...how to surf. 316 00:14:31,609 --> 00:14:34,177 - There's Paradise Cove. - Here we are. 317 00:14:34,264 --> 00:14:35,526 Closer than I thought. 318 00:14:40,401 --> 00:14:42,620 - There it is, look! - There it is! 319 00:14:42,751 --> 00:14:44,274 - "This marks 'The Spot.'" 320 00:14:45,101 --> 00:14:46,668 55 years ago. 321 00:15:00,856 --> 00:15:03,337 How you feeling about Hawthorne? 322 00:15:03,424 --> 00:15:05,426 Uh, you know, I'm a little nervous to go back there. 323 00:15:05,556 --> 00:15:07,210 - You know what I mean? - Mm-hmm. 324 00:15:07,341 --> 00:15:09,212 'Cause, like, I, I grew up there, 325 00:15:09,299 --> 00:15:11,432 and it's like, you know... I have a very... 326 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:12,737 lot of sentiments about it, you know? 327 00:15:12,781 --> 00:15:15,653 Right. 328 00:15:21,964 --> 00:15:25,576 Please play "It's OK" on the, uh, "15 Big Ones." 329 00:15:25,663 --> 00:15:28,318 Okay... you got it. 330 00:15:46,858 --> 00:15:48,164 - So, has Hawthorne 331 00:15:48,251 --> 00:15:49,644 changed a lot from when you were young? 332 00:15:49,687 --> 00:15:52,299 Does it look... is it familiar-looking to you? 333 00:15:52,342 --> 00:15:54,040 - What's that? - Hawthorne? 334 00:15:54,127 --> 00:15:56,390 It doesn't look the same. It looks a little different. 335 00:15:56,477 --> 00:15:59,132 Uh-huh. 336 00:15:59,262 --> 00:16:01,612 So this is 119th Street right here? 337 00:16:01,699 --> 00:16:03,701 Yeah. 119th. 338 00:16:03,788 --> 00:16:04,702 And this is the street you lived on? 339 00:16:04,789 --> 00:16:06,487 - Yeah. - So this is where 340 00:16:06,574 --> 00:16:10,360 your house was. Right here. 341 00:16:10,447 --> 00:16:12,275 I don't wanna get out, I just wanna look. 342 00:16:12,406 --> 00:16:15,104 Okay. So, this was all where 343 00:16:15,148 --> 00:16:17,150 - the house was, right here? - Yeah. 344 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,065 Uh-huh. Look at the cover of the album. 345 00:16:19,152 --> 00:16:22,024 - Yeah. - Paradise Cove. 346 00:16:22,111 --> 00:16:25,288 "Site of the childhood home of the Beach Boys." 347 00:16:40,695 --> 00:16:44,742 Friday nights, my father would get his paycheck. 348 00:16:44,829 --> 00:16:46,918 So the three of us would be in the back seat singing away. 349 00:16:46,962 --> 00:16:50,748 And that's... actually that's the birth of the three brothers 350 00:16:50,835 --> 00:16:52,402 singing together. 351 00:17:06,199 --> 00:17:07,852 When we'd be singing harmony together, 352 00:17:07,939 --> 00:17:11,900 my father would just... fall down crying... with joy. 353 00:17:21,997 --> 00:17:25,914 There's me at my piano when I wrote "Surfer Girl." 354 00:17:34,531 --> 00:17:35,576 Forget it. 355 00:17:35,663 --> 00:17:37,578 That one killed you when it came out. 356 00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:41,495 I played that thing... a thousand times. 357 00:17:58,381 --> 00:18:00,688 How did it feel to be there? 358 00:18:00,775 --> 00:18:02,733 It was a little... scared me a little bit, you know? 359 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:04,257 - Did it? - 'Cause it, well... 360 00:18:04,344 --> 00:18:05,475 it didn't look the same. 361 00:18:05,519 --> 00:18:08,391 Right. 362 00:18:08,522 --> 00:18:10,089 Yeah. 363 00:18:40,815 --> 00:18:44,558 - Is this Dartmouth? - To the right, right, right. 364 00:18:47,082 --> 00:18:49,084 This is where you moved 365 00:18:49,171 --> 00:18:50,564 - with Marilyn. - Right. 366 00:18:50,651 --> 00:18:53,828 Was it right after you got married? 367 00:18:53,871 --> 00:18:56,787 About... three months after we got married. 368 00:18:56,874 --> 00:19:00,095 Wow. What a big time in your life. 369 00:19:00,182 --> 00:19:01,096 Yeah. 370 00:19:01,183 --> 00:19:03,185 I did an acid trip there. 371 00:19:03,272 --> 00:19:05,579 Aha... your first... the first time? 372 00:19:05,666 --> 00:19:07,972 Yeah. 373 00:19:08,016 --> 00:19:09,322 Oh, it was scary. 374 00:19:09,409 --> 00:19:11,933 What happened? 375 00:19:12,020 --> 00:19:14,240 I don't know, just... 376 00:19:14,327 --> 00:19:18,809 this friend of mine gave me acid and it freaked me out. 377 00:19:22,770 --> 00:19:25,599 I wrote "California Girls," "Help Me, Rhonda," 378 00:19:25,686 --> 00:19:28,471 and "She's Not the Little Girl I Once Knew." 379 00:19:28,558 --> 00:19:30,038 I wrote all those songs there. 380 00:19:30,125 --> 00:19:31,909 Were you still high when you were doing that? 381 00:19:31,996 --> 00:19:34,260 Uh, no, no, I wasn't. 382 00:19:34,347 --> 00:19:38,873 I wrote "California Girls" about a week or two after acid. 383 00:19:38,916 --> 00:19:41,092 Okay. Did you have a kinda western thing in mind? 384 00:19:41,136 --> 00:19:43,443 Well, I just had this, this... 385 00:19:43,486 --> 00:19:46,489 I guess that's western, right? 386 00:20:00,808 --> 00:20:02,157 Did you have a feeling 387 00:20:02,288 --> 00:20:03,506 that was gonna be a popular song? 388 00:20:03,593 --> 00:20:05,291 Oh, yeah, I could tell when I first wrote it. 389 00:20:05,421 --> 00:20:07,510 After we cut it... 390 00:20:07,597 --> 00:20:09,512 Mike did the lead, boy, and he sang great lead. 391 00:20:09,599 --> 00:20:11,122 - Mm-hmm. - He's a great singer. 392 00:20:27,748 --> 00:20:29,532 It was quite a, quite a different changeup 393 00:20:29,663 --> 00:20:31,491 from where I usually work. 394 00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:34,407 The way you connected the intro of the song... 395 00:20:34,494 --> 00:20:36,409 - Right. - ...to the rest of it was... 396 00:20:36,496 --> 00:20:37,758 A different kind of a thing. 397 00:20:37,888 --> 00:20:40,239 Brian just threw away the rule book... 398 00:20:40,326 --> 00:20:41,762 and it was all in his head, 399 00:20:41,892 --> 00:20:44,199 and it's just, "Wow, are you kidding me?" 400 00:20:44,286 --> 00:20:45,679 "What were you thinking, man? 401 00:20:45,766 --> 00:20:47,507 "How did you come up with this combination 402 00:20:47,550 --> 00:20:49,073 of chords and voices?" 403 00:20:49,117 --> 00:20:51,162 He said, "I was at the piano, 404 00:20:51,206 --> 00:20:52,990 "and I was trying not to move 405 00:20:53,077 --> 00:20:55,210 "my highest fingers and my lowest fingers, 406 00:20:55,297 --> 00:21:00,476 but make cool geometric patterns with the internal fingers." 407 00:21:00,563 --> 00:21:02,652 I don't know if he was telling me the truth... 408 00:21:05,525 --> 00:21:07,178 ...but he definitely said that to me. 409 00:21:07,222 --> 00:21:09,877 But if you think about that, 410 00:21:09,964 --> 00:21:14,011 that's kinda like what Mozart does with a string quartet. 411 00:21:14,142 --> 00:21:16,100 Brian had this unique ability 412 00:21:16,187 --> 00:21:20,235 to write a great melody and also arrange some great harmonies 413 00:21:20,366 --> 00:21:21,932 and produce some great records, 414 00:21:22,019 --> 00:21:23,760 so we had all in one with Brian Wilson. 415 00:21:23,804 --> 00:21:28,765 We had a, a, uh, shall we call it a... a jackpot. 416 00:21:28,809 --> 00:21:31,246 Equate that blend, that harmony, 417 00:21:31,377 --> 00:21:34,989 the sound of the vocals... it's like looking up to the heavens. 418 00:21:35,032 --> 00:21:36,120 It's almost ethereal. 419 00:21:36,207 --> 00:21:39,341 There's a very ethereal, uh, rising up. 420 00:21:42,126 --> 00:21:43,040 The only way 421 00:21:43,127 --> 00:21:44,607 to really accomplish a sound that big 422 00:21:44,738 --> 00:21:47,044 is in knowing what you want to hear, but also 423 00:21:47,175 --> 00:21:48,785 placing some trust in the people you're working with 424 00:21:48,829 --> 00:21:50,483 and saying, "We can all do this together 425 00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:52,267 if you just follow my lead." 426 00:21:54,748 --> 00:21:56,489 Brian was a leader, 427 00:21:56,619 --> 00:22:00,014 and he could shape this group around the brothers, you know, 428 00:22:00,057 --> 00:22:03,322 and his cousin and his neighbor, and that was his team, 429 00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:05,149 and he led these guys. 430 00:22:05,236 --> 00:22:07,848 And I think that that was... gave Brian so much confidence. 431 00:22:07,935 --> 00:22:09,632 They would do anything that he thought 432 00:22:09,719 --> 00:22:11,634 was the right thing to do. 433 00:22:13,723 --> 00:22:15,334 Hey, let's go... where you wanna go to now? 434 00:22:15,421 --> 00:22:17,814 So, let's go to Laurel Way. 435 00:22:17,858 --> 00:22:20,382 - Okay. - You know how to get there? 436 00:22:20,469 --> 00:22:21,340 Laurel Way... trying to think. 437 00:22:21,427 --> 00:22:22,558 Uh... 438 00:22:22,645 --> 00:22:23,864 Go up Santa Monica or Sunset? 439 00:22:23,994 --> 00:22:25,648 Laurel Way, I... can you navigate it? 440 00:22:25,735 --> 00:22:26,432 Yeah. 441 00:22:30,261 --> 00:22:32,002 What did you feel like when you lived here 442 00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:36,572 and you were young, married, money, writing hits? 443 00:22:36,659 --> 00:22:38,357 What was that feeling for you? 444 00:22:38,444 --> 00:22:39,923 It was excitement. 445 00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:42,796 Exciting and happy. 446 00:22:42,926 --> 00:22:44,319 Groovy feeling. 447 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:47,757 Haven't seen it since 1966. 448 00:23:00,727 --> 00:23:01,467 Were your parents around then? 449 00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:02,990 Did they come visit and...? 450 00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:05,340 No, they never did. 451 00:23:05,427 --> 00:23:07,473 Was this your first sort of big purchase? 452 00:23:07,603 --> 00:23:09,083 - Yeah. - So that must have been 453 00:23:09,126 --> 00:23:10,563 a really exciting time. 454 00:23:10,693 --> 00:23:13,435 It was, Jason, it was a great time. 455 00:23:28,276 --> 00:23:30,496 It's right up here. 456 00:23:30,583 --> 00:23:32,498 I think it's right up there. 457 00:23:32,585 --> 00:23:35,718 - This one? - No, it has a view, so it's 458 00:23:35,849 --> 00:23:38,373 - gotta be a little higher. - Okay. 459 00:23:38,504 --> 00:23:42,159 It has a view of the whole... downtown Los Angeles... 460 00:23:42,246 --> 00:23:44,074 - Oh, wow. - ...all the way to the beach. 461 00:23:44,161 --> 00:23:46,250 Did you have a room where you would work? 462 00:23:46,294 --> 00:23:48,339 The piano was in a sandbox. 463 00:23:48,383 --> 00:23:50,167 What was the idea behind that? 464 00:23:50,254 --> 00:23:54,389 I don't know, I just wanted to have a sandbox. 465 00:23:54,476 --> 00:23:55,738 - While you worked? - Yeah. 466 00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:57,523 Took our shoes and socks off... 467 00:23:57,610 --> 00:24:01,831 and wrote, you know, music on a piano in the sandbox. 468 00:24:01,962 --> 00:24:06,096 I put an Arabian tent up in my den, and I put, like, 469 00:24:06,183 --> 00:24:10,274 eight Tiffany lamps in my... in the living room, 470 00:24:10,361 --> 00:24:12,102 hanging from the ceiling. 471 00:24:12,189 --> 00:24:14,931 It was a trip. 472 00:24:14,975 --> 00:24:16,280 It sounds like it. 473 00:24:16,324 --> 00:24:18,544 What did you do inside the tent? 474 00:24:18,674 --> 00:24:20,154 - Smoked grass. - Uh-huh. 475 00:24:20,197 --> 00:24:22,983 Ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. 476 00:24:23,070 --> 00:24:26,900 You know. 477 00:24:26,987 --> 00:24:30,207 Young and rich. 478 00:24:36,431 --> 00:24:40,435 That's where I wrote, uh, the "Pet Sounds" album... 479 00:24:40,522 --> 00:24:43,612 - and "Good Vibrations." - Wow. 480 00:24:43,656 --> 00:24:46,789 That's, that's some pretty big stuff you wrote up here. 481 00:24:46,876 --> 00:24:48,748 Yeah. 482 00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:50,314 So, you think you'd wanna tour more? 483 00:24:50,358 --> 00:24:53,230 Yeah, I like to go on the road. 484 00:24:53,317 --> 00:24:55,450 What do you like about it? 485 00:24:55,581 --> 00:24:56,799 - Well, the concerts. - Yup. 486 00:24:56,886 --> 00:24:58,758 Makes you feel good? 487 00:24:58,801 --> 00:25:00,934 Yeah. It's fun to play a concert. 488 00:25:01,064 --> 00:25:02,239 Mm-hmm. 489 00:25:04,981 --> 00:25:08,724 You used to get nervous, but not so much anymore, huh? 490 00:25:08,811 --> 00:25:12,423 No... before a concert, I got very nervous. 491 00:25:12,467 --> 00:25:15,035 How long does it take you to calm down onstage? 492 00:25:15,122 --> 00:25:16,776 About two minutes. 493 00:25:23,173 --> 00:25:25,219 To this day, Brian's still even a little bit, 494 00:25:25,262 --> 00:25:27,351 a little bit nervous about "Pet Sounds," you know? 495 00:25:27,438 --> 00:25:29,484 "Are they gonna like it?" You know, "Is it too soft?" 496 00:25:29,571 --> 00:25:31,834 "Is it, is it manly?", he'll say sometimes. 497 00:25:31,921 --> 00:25:34,228 Hello, Los Angeles! 498 00:25:34,271 --> 00:25:37,536 The Hollywood Bowl. 499 00:26:04,214 --> 00:26:06,477 Well, you have the great "Caroline, No." 500 00:26:06,521 --> 00:26:09,785 It's one of the greatest songs in, in pop history, 501 00:26:09,872 --> 00:26:13,223 as far as dealing with oncoming adulthood, 502 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:18,054 loss of innocence, reckoning with the adult world... 503 00:26:18,098 --> 00:26:21,971 and the terrible heartache that comes along with it. 504 00:26:34,810 --> 00:26:36,551 I can hear him exploring 505 00:26:36,682 --> 00:26:39,075 the possibilities of these songs 506 00:26:39,162 --> 00:26:42,339 that he probably woke up, dug his feet in the sand, 507 00:26:42,426 --> 00:26:43,906 and wrote these songs. 508 00:26:55,135 --> 00:26:56,876 He rounded out writing happy songs 509 00:26:56,919 --> 00:26:59,792 and then, as he grew as a musician, 510 00:26:59,922 --> 00:27:04,318 his tastes refined, his writing refined, 511 00:27:04,361 --> 00:27:06,712 and he wanted to get away from the three-chord thing 512 00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:10,019 and experiment, and when you do that, 513 00:27:10,106 --> 00:27:11,804 you are drawn to the darker side-- I know I am. 514 00:27:11,891 --> 00:27:14,023 Brian's music, you know, especially "Pet Sounds," 515 00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:16,156 you never move on from it. 516 00:27:16,243 --> 00:27:18,462 I'll be listening to that record till the day I die. 517 00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:20,073 "Pet Sounds," 518 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,380 the beauty of it... carries with it a sense of... 519 00:27:23,467 --> 00:27:26,122 joyfulness even in the pain of living. 520 00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:29,038 The joyfulness of an emotional life. 521 00:27:29,125 --> 00:27:31,737 You have this music bed that is so complex, 522 00:27:31,824 --> 00:27:33,477 but the lyrics were very simple. 523 00:27:33,564 --> 00:27:36,306 All these concepts of things that we all ask ourselves, 524 00:27:36,393 --> 00:27:37,307 and it's there forever. 525 00:27:37,394 --> 00:27:39,266 50 years later, we're still celebrating 526 00:27:39,353 --> 00:27:41,311 what is probably one of the greatest records ever made. 527 00:28:00,026 --> 00:28:03,551 Whoa! 528 00:28:03,638 --> 00:28:04,770 I don't even know what that is. 529 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:07,816 Flutes in reverb? I don't know. 530 00:28:11,037 --> 00:28:13,430 Whoa... 531 00:28:48,814 --> 00:28:50,250 I don't even know where to begin. 532 00:28:50,380 --> 00:28:52,469 Probably took a minute 533 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,037 for everyone to wrap their heads around a 23-year-old kid 534 00:28:55,124 --> 00:28:57,387 coming in and telling 'em what was up. 535 00:28:59,389 --> 00:29:02,436 That's a banjo. It is a banjo, huh? 536 00:29:03,872 --> 00:29:06,266 Brian always had this thing where he used 537 00:29:06,396 --> 00:29:09,356 the fifth, uh, note of a chord as the bass note. 538 00:29:09,443 --> 00:29:11,488 "God Only Knows" is a prime example of that. 539 00:29:11,575 --> 00:29:14,013 with the bass note. 540 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,580 And "Someone Saved My Life Tonight" is exactly the same. 541 00:29:20,193 --> 00:29:22,064 So, you can, you can hear the other instruments. 542 00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:25,285 They're all in one room at the same time, playing. 543 00:29:28,505 --> 00:29:32,031 With Brian's music, you hear his spirit, and it's like... 544 00:29:32,074 --> 00:29:33,859 he may be playing a C chord, but there's, like, 545 00:29:33,989 --> 00:29:37,079 this other weird harmony drifting in over it. 546 00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:40,996 He's using the available tools that all of us have. 547 00:29:41,083 --> 00:29:42,737 You know, it may be a piano or a harpsichord 548 00:29:42,824 --> 00:29:45,653 or a guitar or whatever, but it's all in the architecture 549 00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:47,873 or the recording technique. 550 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,526 So, everybody has a piano or a guitar. 551 00:29:49,613 --> 00:29:51,441 Go grab whatever the fuck you want, but it's like the way 552 00:29:51,528 --> 00:29:55,881 you put in the strangeness, that's what he's the master of. 553 00:29:55,968 --> 00:29:57,926 Listen to that basic track. 554 00:29:57,970 --> 00:30:03,323 Sounds to me like it's maybe a piano... and... a banjo... 555 00:30:03,410 --> 00:30:07,109 and a harmonica kinda all becoming one sound. 556 00:30:07,196 --> 00:30:11,331 Brian had to sit home, dream up these textures 557 00:30:11,418 --> 00:30:16,118 that no one had ever, ever used... uh... 558 00:30:16,205 --> 00:30:20,862 That's one reason why people say Brian's a genius. 559 00:30:20,906 --> 00:30:23,473 That's being a complete visionary, 560 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,303 to dream up these textures that never existed before. 561 00:30:27,347 --> 00:30:30,089 I'm still awestruck by the construction. 562 00:30:30,176 --> 00:30:32,656 How he took very complex arrangements, 563 00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:34,745 and yet, at the end of the day, 564 00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:36,138 they sounded so simple 565 00:30:36,225 --> 00:30:37,531 when they, when they entered your ear. 566 00:30:39,315 --> 00:30:40,926 I think his imagination 567 00:30:41,013 --> 00:30:42,275 is what made him a great producer. 568 00:30:42,362 --> 00:30:46,453 We can all sit here and say we have all the technology 569 00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:48,020 and we know how to use it and we know how to do it, 570 00:30:48,107 --> 00:30:50,761 but the bottom line is it doesn't matter what you know, 571 00:30:50,805 --> 00:30:52,459 it's what's you're gonna do. 572 00:30:56,332 --> 00:30:58,726 I've been making records for... 40-some years, 573 00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:02,251 and I don't know how you do this. 574 00:31:02,338 --> 00:31:04,601 I don't know how you do that. 575 00:31:04,732 --> 00:31:07,387 Nobody knows... ... how you do that. 576 00:31:07,474 --> 00:31:10,912 What I hear is his competitive nature, 577 00:31:10,999 --> 00:31:15,047 him wanting to be more than what everybody else was. 578 00:31:15,134 --> 00:31:17,049 And you can totally hear how he was trying 579 00:31:17,136 --> 00:31:19,834 to make things sound better than the Beatles. 580 00:31:19,921 --> 00:31:23,838 But I think, more so, his biggest competitor was himself. 581 00:31:26,188 --> 00:31:27,407 How was that, was that cool? 582 00:31:27,494 --> 00:31:29,496 - Yeah, it's beautiful. - All right. 583 00:31:29,583 --> 00:31:31,019 When he started doing the music around "Pet Sounds," 584 00:31:31,063 --> 00:31:35,589 which was... more complex, more orchestral, more personal... 585 00:31:35,632 --> 00:31:38,287 you know, the guys started saying, "Whoa now," you know? 586 00:31:38,374 --> 00:31:40,289 I mean, uh, "Where are we going with this?" 587 00:31:40,376 --> 00:31:42,770 You know, this isn't about cars and girls anymore. 588 00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:45,164 And things started to fragment. 589 00:31:45,207 --> 00:31:47,383 And I don't think it's any wonder that Brian 590 00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:50,517 started to lose his confidence around that time. 591 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,320 When you think about recording or touring, do you feel 592 00:32:11,407 --> 00:32:14,367 like you still have something to accomplish musically? 593 00:32:14,454 --> 00:32:17,979 Do you still have things you want to get... you wanna do? 594 00:32:18,066 --> 00:32:19,546 Yeah, I might... wanna make a rock-and-roll album. 595 00:32:19,589 --> 00:32:20,764 Mm-hmm. 596 00:32:20,808 --> 00:32:22,941 Maybe something good, you know? 597 00:32:23,028 --> 00:32:24,420 Yeah. 598 00:32:24,464 --> 00:32:26,640 What's rock-and-roll to you? 599 00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:27,858 - Rock-and-roll? - Yeah. 600 00:32:27,902 --> 00:32:30,905 Chuck Berry... you know. 601 00:32:30,992 --> 00:32:33,821 - Little Richard. - Mm-hmm. 602 00:32:33,952 --> 00:32:36,041 Well, I recently watched 603 00:32:36,128 --> 00:32:39,131 - the "Smile" concert. - Yeah. 604 00:32:39,261 --> 00:32:40,871 Wow, you looked really happy that night. 605 00:32:40,915 --> 00:32:43,874 - Yeah, that was fun. - Was it hard to pull off? 606 00:32:43,918 --> 00:32:46,399 We, we premiered "Smile" and the "Lucky Old Sun" album 607 00:32:46,486 --> 00:32:49,228 2004 and 2005. 608 00:32:49,315 --> 00:32:52,796 When you let it go, when you stopped working on it in '67, 609 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,929 was that a hard thing for you? 610 00:32:55,016 --> 00:32:56,191 Yeah, it was rough, yeah. 611 00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:59,281 Me and Van Dyke got so into it, you know. 612 00:32:59,368 --> 00:33:00,848 We really got into it. 613 00:33:00,935 --> 00:33:03,285 When you premiered "Smile," how did you feel? 614 00:33:03,372 --> 00:33:05,679 I mean, it must have been a big relief. 615 00:33:05,722 --> 00:33:08,116 Well, it was, it was a big challenge to try 616 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,944 - to pull it off, you know? - Right. 617 00:33:10,031 --> 00:33:11,076 But we did. 618 00:33:11,163 --> 00:33:14,601 It went over very well. 619 00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:33,402 Around 2004, Brian decided 620 00:33:33,533 --> 00:33:36,710 that he was going to come back and work on "Smile," 621 00:33:36,797 --> 00:33:39,669 the, you know, most famous unreleased album of all time, 622 00:33:39,756 --> 00:33:41,976 something that he had abandoned around 1967, 623 00:33:42,063 --> 00:33:45,893 and, and I think, in retrospect, probably wisely, because it was 624 00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:48,417 proving to be insurmountable for all kinds of reasons. 625 00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:56,904 He was terrified, he didn't wanna do it... 626 00:33:57,035 --> 00:34:00,081 and then slowly, 627 00:34:00,168 --> 00:34:04,651 something about the music reconnected emotionally... 628 00:34:10,309 --> 00:34:13,529 So, all those bad associations that he had 629 00:34:13,573 --> 00:34:15,488 were being replaced with good ones... 630 00:34:19,361 --> 00:34:21,972 ...and it became more about the music again. 631 00:34:31,721 --> 00:34:33,680 Some of the stuff on that record was pretty wild, on "Smile." 632 00:34:33,767 --> 00:34:35,943 Yeah, some of that stuff was pretty complicated. 633 00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:38,032 - Yeah. - Complex. 634 00:34:38,163 --> 00:34:40,034 Mm-hmm. Well, why'd you let it go? 635 00:34:40,165 --> 00:34:43,081 We thought... it was a little ahead of its time. 636 00:34:43,168 --> 00:34:44,386 - Right. - We waited for, like, 637 00:34:44,517 --> 00:34:46,910 30 years... and we... 638 00:34:46,997 --> 00:34:48,912 finally finished it. 639 00:34:53,743 --> 00:34:56,703 It became something that was living now, 640 00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:59,401 as opposed to something that was dead in his mind. 641 00:34:59,532 --> 00:35:01,838 We're not picking up all your notes. 642 00:35:01,925 --> 00:35:03,623 Well, feel... you can feel it, but you can't really hear it. 643 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:06,756 In fact, we couldn't bring up that stuff... 644 00:35:06,843 --> 00:35:08,541 We couldn't even say the words "Heroes and Villains..." 645 00:35:08,628 --> 00:35:11,544 Yeah, 'cause he would freak out. 646 00:35:11,631 --> 00:35:13,067 What now? 647 00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:14,590 God, there are so many parts to this damn song. 648 00:35:16,201 --> 00:35:17,811 It's endless, it's endless and endless and endless. 649 00:35:17,854 --> 00:35:19,160 It never ends! 650 00:35:28,778 --> 00:35:30,476 When you listen to "Smile" 651 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:33,609 with that ear of hearing how segmental it was, 652 00:35:33,653 --> 00:35:36,438 and yet how seamlessly he put it together, 653 00:35:36,525 --> 00:35:38,832 it's quite wonderful. 654 00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:48,755 I remember sitting with him, and I handed him the, the CD, 655 00:35:48,842 --> 00:35:51,018 and I said, "Brian, that's 'Smile,' you finished it." 656 00:35:51,105 --> 00:35:53,760 You know, I could really see it meant something to him, 657 00:35:53,847 --> 00:35:56,589 because it was a disappointment that he'd been carrying around. 658 00:35:56,676 --> 00:35:59,374 Being able to finish it at last, 659 00:35:59,461 --> 00:36:01,550 even though it was 30 years later, 660 00:36:01,637 --> 00:36:03,813 was a big moment in his life. 661 00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:18,045 Do you still get ideas for different ways to produce... 662 00:36:18,132 --> 00:36:20,134 - Who, me? - ...things, sounds... yeah. 663 00:36:20,221 --> 00:36:21,657 Well, usually, you know, 664 00:36:21,701 --> 00:36:23,485 recording's a little slower these days. 665 00:36:23,572 --> 00:36:26,053 - Mm-hmm. - You know? 666 00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:28,273 What's your process like? 667 00:36:28,403 --> 00:36:30,057 - The process? - Yeah. 668 00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:31,580 Start with a background track... 669 00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:33,887 - Mm-hmm. - ...then you do the... 670 00:36:33,930 --> 00:36:36,498 background vocals, then you do the leads. 671 00:36:36,585 --> 00:36:39,849 - Okay. - Like we'll do today. 672 00:36:41,677 --> 00:36:44,202 - Will I be on keys? - That's correct. 673 00:36:46,726 --> 00:36:48,684 What's been making you feel like 674 00:36:48,728 --> 00:36:50,686 making a rock-and-roll record? 675 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:53,907 Uh, I don't know... well, actually, 676 00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:56,388 "Summer Days and Summer Nights" was a rock-and-roll album. 677 00:36:56,475 --> 00:36:58,433 - Yup. - But I'd like to do another one 678 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,522 with, with, uh, covers... 679 00:37:00,609 --> 00:37:01,741 - Mm-hmm... - Instead of originals. 680 00:37:01,871 --> 00:37:03,308 - Mm-hmm. - Is your click okay? 681 00:37:13,361 --> 00:37:16,103 How do you feel about spending a few days with your band? 682 00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:18,453 I think it'll be nice to be back with 'em, you know? 683 00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:21,500 It about time we all recorded like this. 684 00:37:25,068 --> 00:37:26,983 And we are here. 685 00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:28,246 - I'm nervous. - It's like you say 686 00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:29,464 when you go on stage, 687 00:37:29,551 --> 00:37:30,987 nervous for about two minutes. 688 00:37:31,074 --> 00:37:32,206 Right, and then as soon 689 00:37:32,337 --> 00:37:33,599 as I hear "California Girls," 690 00:37:33,686 --> 00:37:35,557 I'm cool. 691 00:37:35,644 --> 00:37:36,950 - DRUMMER, TAPPING: One, two... - You got this. 692 00:37:36,993 --> 00:37:38,430 ...one, two, three. 693 00:37:40,475 --> 00:37:41,955 right there. 694 00:37:41,998 --> 00:37:43,696 One, two, three... 695 00:37:47,134 --> 00:37:50,224 - Then... - No, on that "duh." 696 00:37:50,355 --> 00:37:52,313 - Are you sure it's that? - Yeah. 697 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,794 - Yeah, that's it. 698 00:38:00,016 --> 00:38:01,017 I'll play the piano. 699 00:38:01,104 --> 00:38:03,455 Yeah! Now we're talking! 700 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,371 - Hi, Russ. - How you doing, Brian? 701 00:38:06,501 --> 00:38:08,460 - I'm good, how are you? - Doing all right. 702 00:38:15,684 --> 00:38:17,469 Okay. 703 00:38:22,604 --> 00:38:24,389 Hi, Tom. 704 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:26,347 - Hi, Brian. - How are ya? 705 00:38:26,434 --> 00:38:27,522 - Good, how are you? - Good. 706 00:38:27,609 --> 00:38:30,830 We need a click, Wes. 707 00:38:30,917 --> 00:38:33,049 It's coming. 708 00:38:33,136 --> 00:38:34,268 What's coming? 709 00:38:34,355 --> 00:38:36,357 - The click. - Oh. 710 00:38:38,054 --> 00:38:39,317 Okay, it's cool. 711 00:38:39,404 --> 00:38:40,753 The click'll help ya! 712 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,058 Okay. 713 00:38:42,145 --> 00:38:44,060 One, two, three. 714 00:38:46,193 --> 00:38:47,934 - Paul - Yeah? 715 00:38:48,021 --> 00:38:50,415 It's just... 716 00:38:53,548 --> 00:38:56,116 No... 717 00:38:56,203 --> 00:38:57,291 Okay. 718 00:38:57,378 --> 00:38:59,206 One, two, three. 719 00:39:08,433 --> 00:39:10,043 - Hey, Paul. - Yeah? 720 00:39:10,086 --> 00:39:11,087 Play staccato. 721 00:39:11,174 --> 00:39:13,525 - Bah, bah, bah. - Okay. 722 00:39:15,396 --> 00:39:17,006 - Yeah. - Ooh. 723 00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:19,531 One, two, three, four. 724 00:39:22,882 --> 00:39:25,798 Hold it! The guitar sounds a little fuzzy. 725 00:39:25,885 --> 00:39:28,453 - See if that's better. 726 00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:31,325 Okay, one, two, three, four. 727 00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:34,372 Yeah, we're cool. 728 00:39:34,459 --> 00:39:36,983 - Let's try it once. - Okay. 729 00:39:37,070 --> 00:39:40,378 One... two... one, two, three. 730 00:40:07,709 --> 00:40:10,669 Two, a-one, two, three, four. 731 00:40:26,728 --> 00:40:28,904 Yeah, it can fall apart, that's cool. 732 00:40:28,991 --> 00:40:30,515 - Sounded pretty good. - I think that's a print! 733 00:40:30,645 --> 00:40:32,604 Wanna go in, wanna go in the booth. 734 00:40:32,691 --> 00:40:34,606 Can we come in the booth and hear it? 735 00:40:34,693 --> 00:40:37,086 - Yes. - Okay. 736 00:40:54,190 --> 00:40:55,670 Listen, syncopate it a little. 737 00:40:55,757 --> 00:40:56,976 - BRIAN: Oh. - Yeah, what are the words? 738 00:40:57,063 --> 00:40:59,195 - I don't know. - Sing it. 739 00:41:00,849 --> 00:41:01,937 All right, let me hear... sing it, sing it. 740 00:41:01,981 --> 00:41:03,635 - No. 741 00:41:03,722 --> 00:41:05,201 MURRY, STACCATO: 742 00:41:08,204 --> 00:41:10,511 - Sing the words, Murry. - Okay, I can't. 743 00:41:13,209 --> 00:41:14,863 Loosen up. 744 00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:17,344 Loosen up, sweetie, loosen up. 745 00:41:17,431 --> 00:41:20,565 My dad, uh, owned the publishing with Brian, 746 00:41:20,695 --> 00:41:22,784 and he managed the group for 10 percent. 747 00:41:22,915 --> 00:41:24,569 I just remember, there was a lot of tension, 748 00:41:24,699 --> 00:41:27,659 uh, with my dad and Brian. 749 00:41:27,789 --> 00:41:29,530 You guys think you're good? 750 00:41:29,574 --> 00:41:31,445 Can we hear a chord? 751 00:41:31,532 --> 00:41:34,013 Just a chord, like we used to. 752 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:37,320 When you used to sing clear records, okay? Let's go. 753 00:41:37,364 --> 00:41:38,757 His presence was very... 754 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,802 where he'd burst into a room, you know? 755 00:41:40,889 --> 00:41:42,543 - And beat everyone up. 756 00:41:42,587 --> 00:41:44,763 I got beaten around by my dad. 757 00:41:44,806 --> 00:41:46,634 One kinda spanking is... 758 00:41:46,678 --> 00:41:49,594 But the way I had it, Dad would double over his belt. 759 00:41:49,681 --> 00:41:51,465 His voice... 760 00:41:51,552 --> 00:41:53,206 ...very, very hard. 761 00:41:53,249 --> 00:41:54,468 Pretty tough business. 762 00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:57,166 His dad was extremely tough on him... 763 00:41:57,253 --> 00:41:59,125 um, abusive at times. 764 00:41:59,212 --> 00:42:00,561 You can hear this in, in all the old tapes 765 00:42:00,605 --> 00:42:01,910 from those studio sessions, 766 00:42:01,997 --> 00:42:03,477 where his dad takes it way too far. 767 00:42:03,564 --> 00:42:05,218 We just wanna be sure this is our thing. 768 00:42:05,261 --> 00:42:07,612 This is an absolute insult. 769 00:42:07,699 --> 00:42:09,222 Well, you're doing the same to me 770 00:42:09,265 --> 00:42:11,006 in front of 20 people. 771 00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:12,530 I'm sorry, I'll never help you guys... 772 00:42:12,617 --> 00:42:15,750 - Why? - Because you don't appreciate 773 00:42:15,837 --> 00:42:18,405 the good help I have given you. 774 00:42:18,492 --> 00:42:20,625 - We don't appreciate the help. - A beautiful gift, and when 775 00:42:20,712 --> 00:42:22,148 - you guys start coming off... - Okay. 776 00:42:22,235 --> 00:42:23,715 Now, listen, let me tell you something. 777 00:42:23,802 --> 00:42:26,326 - Yes. - When you guys get so big 778 00:42:26,369 --> 00:42:28,589 that you can't sing from your hearts, you're going downhill. 779 00:42:28,676 --> 00:42:31,070 - Downhill? - Down... hill! 780 00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:46,085 And as we got older, we told him 781 00:42:46,215 --> 00:42:47,434 we didn't want him to manage us anymore. 782 00:42:47,521 --> 00:42:49,044 It's very simple. 783 00:42:49,088 --> 00:42:50,959 BRIAN, EARLIER INTERVIEW: He got to the point 784 00:42:51,046 --> 00:42:52,221 where he was so overbearing to work with him 785 00:42:52,308 --> 00:42:53,701 that we had to fire him. 786 00:43:25,951 --> 00:43:29,128 Why did you move from Laurel Way to Bellagio? 787 00:43:29,258 --> 00:43:32,697 Marilyn wanted to move to Bel Air. 788 00:43:32,827 --> 00:43:34,655 Was it a bigger house? 789 00:43:34,699 --> 00:43:36,091 - What, Bellagio? - Yeah. 790 00:43:36,135 --> 00:43:38,616 - Much bigger. - Much bigger, I see. 791 00:43:41,227 --> 00:43:44,099 - There's Bellagio Road. - Oh, yeah. 792 00:43:44,143 --> 00:43:46,841 You wrote the directions to this house 793 00:43:46,928 --> 00:43:48,713 in a song, "Busy Doin' Nothin'." 794 00:43:48,843 --> 00:43:50,236 - Right. 795 00:43:50,323 --> 00:43:52,368 What inspired you to tell people where you live? 796 00:43:52,455 --> 00:43:55,154 - I don't know, jeez, I don't... 797 00:44:05,164 --> 00:44:07,688 Check it out. It was right here. 798 00:44:09,734 --> 00:44:12,475 Yeah, you can't see much, can you? 799 00:44:12,562 --> 00:44:14,739 But that's a beautiful house back there? 800 00:44:14,826 --> 00:44:16,958 Have a swimming pool and a backyard? 801 00:44:17,045 --> 00:44:18,873 Oh, yeah, we had that specially built. 802 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,050 - Wow. - A very big pool. 803 00:44:22,181 --> 00:44:25,097 I had, like, a den that we built a recording studio. 804 00:44:25,184 --> 00:44:27,229 - You remember that? - Yeah. 805 00:44:27,273 --> 00:44:30,668 It was a really state-of-the-art studio too, I think. 806 00:44:30,755 --> 00:44:32,321 Oh, it was a fantastic studio. 807 00:44:32,408 --> 00:44:33,235 - Mm-hmm. - Great. 808 00:44:35,411 --> 00:44:38,066 The Mamas and the Papas came over one time. 809 00:44:38,153 --> 00:44:39,502 - Oh, really? - Yeah. 810 00:44:39,546 --> 00:44:41,722 Did you record together? 811 00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:45,987 No, they just came over one night, John and Michelle... 812 00:44:46,074 --> 00:44:47,772 ...came over one night... 813 00:44:47,859 --> 00:44:51,079 - in the '70s. - Uh-huh. 814 00:44:51,166 --> 00:44:52,646 - Little Richard came over. - Really? 815 00:44:52,733 --> 00:44:53,995 - Yeah. 816 00:44:54,082 --> 00:44:56,084 Sly from the Family Stone came over. 817 00:44:56,171 --> 00:44:58,217 What? Okay... you gotta tell me about that. 818 00:44:58,304 --> 00:45:01,089 I don't remember, I just know he fell asleep on a couch. 819 00:45:02,917 --> 00:45:03,788 I think he was snortin'... 820 00:45:03,918 --> 00:45:04,963 - Oh. - Cocaine. 821 00:45:05,006 --> 00:45:07,356 - And he fell asleep? - Yeah. 822 00:45:08,749 --> 00:45:09,576 Did he come over to party 823 00:45:09,663 --> 00:45:11,317 or to record or just to visit? 824 00:45:11,404 --> 00:45:12,666 - Just to visit. - What was the vibe? 825 00:45:12,753 --> 00:45:14,015 Terry Melcher brought him over... 826 00:45:14,102 --> 00:45:15,930 - Okay. - ...to visit. 827 00:45:16,017 --> 00:45:18,585 - Sly seemed like a cool cat. - Who, Sly? 828 00:45:18,672 --> 00:45:19,934 - Yeah. - Yeah. 829 00:45:20,021 --> 00:45:21,806 - He was good. - Oh, yeah. 830 00:45:21,936 --> 00:45:24,243 - "Hot Fun in the Summertime"? - Oh, man. 831 00:45:24,330 --> 00:45:25,897 Heavy duty. 832 00:45:26,027 --> 00:45:27,246 Is this the house where Elton came over? 833 00:45:27,333 --> 00:45:28,813 Yeah. 834 00:45:28,943 --> 00:45:30,249 Going to Brian Wilson's house 835 00:45:30,336 --> 00:45:32,077 with Danny Hutton of Three Dog Night 836 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,818 was just the most amazing, surreal trip for me. 837 00:45:33,948 --> 00:45:36,603 Here we are, in Brian Wilson's house, 838 00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:39,040 who we used to lay on the floor and listen in our headphones 839 00:45:39,171 --> 00:45:40,825 to all his beautiful music. 840 00:45:40,912 --> 00:45:45,481 It was... one of the most moving nights of my life... 841 00:45:45,568 --> 00:45:47,179 and he tried to sell me his piano as well. 842 00:45:48,615 --> 00:45:50,573 But, um, to that time, 843 00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:53,620 he went through such a dark period of his life. 844 00:45:53,707 --> 00:45:56,188 So, Bellagio is kinda where... 845 00:45:56,275 --> 00:45:57,929 things got difficult for you, huh? 846 00:45:58,016 --> 00:46:00,496 - Yeah. - What was going on? 847 00:46:00,627 --> 00:46:04,805 Uh... I was just... kinda lonesome and, you know... 848 00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:08,678 hung out in my bedroom for a while. 849 00:46:08,722 --> 00:46:10,506 What were you staying in your bedroom for? 850 00:46:10,637 --> 00:46:12,639 I don't really know. I was having mental problems. 851 00:46:12,726 --> 00:46:14,597 Yeah. Yeah. 852 00:46:14,684 --> 00:46:16,034 And everyone always says, 853 00:46:16,121 --> 00:46:17,035 "Oh, you stayed in your bedroom for years." 854 00:46:17,078 --> 00:46:18,297 You didn't really do that. 855 00:46:18,384 --> 00:46:20,647 - No, for a couple of weeks. - Yeah. 856 00:46:25,173 --> 00:46:27,088 Sometimes you question yourself, 857 00:46:27,219 --> 00:46:29,264 and I think, especially when you grapple with demons, 858 00:46:29,308 --> 00:46:31,049 and you think, "Well, do I deserve this? 859 00:46:31,092 --> 00:46:32,746 Am I worthy of this?" 860 00:46:32,833 --> 00:46:36,184 And, you know, I think about Brian being saddled 861 00:46:36,271 --> 00:46:39,753 with... the term "genius" 862 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,276 from such an early age. 863 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,757 That's gotta weigh on you so much. 864 00:46:47,326 --> 00:46:48,631 I think about someone like Brian, 865 00:46:48,718 --> 00:46:51,025 and, and coming into this when he was becoming a man 866 00:46:51,112 --> 00:46:54,028 and really starting to make the music 867 00:46:54,115 --> 00:46:56,422 that would change the world in a lot of ways. 868 00:46:56,509 --> 00:46:57,553 And the pressure that comes with that. 869 00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,033 You know, the, the pressure 870 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,253 to continue to perform at that level 871 00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:03,081 and continue to be the person 872 00:47:03,168 --> 00:47:06,127 that people think you are supposed to be. 873 00:47:06,214 --> 00:47:08,564 You know, you deal with a lot of disappointment. 874 00:47:08,651 --> 00:47:12,873 Expectations are the foundation for disappointment. 875 00:47:26,365 --> 00:47:27,888 Most people in the music business 876 00:47:27,975 --> 00:47:30,673 are a little crazy in a variety of different ways. 877 00:47:30,717 --> 00:47:32,153 I think you wish for the people 878 00:47:32,284 --> 00:47:34,982 who delivered so much to you, 879 00:47:35,026 --> 00:47:39,595 you wish them happiness and a long life. 880 00:47:39,682 --> 00:47:40,901 You know, if you see someone 881 00:47:40,945 --> 00:47:42,685 who's going through a lot of pain, 882 00:47:42,772 --> 00:47:45,775 you wish, like, hey, nothing but good things. 883 00:48:02,357 --> 00:48:03,968 I think it's safe to say 884 00:48:04,055 --> 00:48:07,667 that creative people are usually sensitive people. 885 00:48:07,710 --> 00:48:12,150 That door to drugs and alcohol is an easy door to walk through. 886 00:48:12,237 --> 00:48:14,804 Brian Wilson was crying for help a long time ago. 887 00:48:14,848 --> 00:48:18,634 He put it in there, under this happiness. 888 00:48:18,721 --> 00:48:21,202 It is like the Mona Lisa. 889 00:48:21,289 --> 00:48:23,988 His tones that he chose, or those harmonies, 890 00:48:24,118 --> 00:48:26,381 were there on purpose. 891 00:48:26,425 --> 00:48:29,080 Was this him calling out that "I need help"? 892 00:48:35,303 --> 00:48:37,436 Remember the song "Long Promised Road"? 893 00:48:37,523 --> 00:48:38,654 Of course. 894 00:48:38,741 --> 00:48:40,352 Carl recorded it there, at Bellagio House. 895 00:48:40,439 --> 00:48:42,310 - Uh-huh. - At our house. 896 00:48:42,397 --> 00:48:45,096 And he had me come down to sing part of the bridge. 897 00:48:45,183 --> 00:48:46,619 - Mm-hmm. - So, okay... 898 00:48:46,662 --> 00:48:49,143 and I went... 899 00:48:51,189 --> 00:48:52,538 - I wrote that part. 900 00:48:52,625 --> 00:48:53,800 You kinda came down from your bedroom and did that 901 00:48:53,931 --> 00:48:55,106 and then went back up. 902 00:48:55,193 --> 00:48:56,237 - Yeah. 903 00:49:08,858 --> 00:49:10,121 Carl and Dennis were, were 904 00:49:10,208 --> 00:49:11,426 really different guys, weren't they? 905 00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:14,386 Yeah, Carl was a little easier-going. 906 00:49:14,473 --> 00:49:15,909 Dennis was a little more hyper. 907 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,780 - Mm-hmm. - Carl was like... 908 00:49:17,867 --> 00:49:19,217 easygoing kind of a person, you know? 909 00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:20,392 Mm-hmm. 910 00:49:20,479 --> 00:49:24,135 I was listening to Dennis's record recently. 911 00:49:24,265 --> 00:49:25,266 - Oh, "Pacific Ocean Blue"? - Wow. 912 00:49:25,397 --> 00:49:26,398 I have never heard his album. 913 00:49:26,485 --> 00:49:28,356 - Oh, man... - I heard... 914 00:49:31,707 --> 00:49:34,188 - Mm-hmm. - I... I heard that one. 915 00:49:34,275 --> 00:49:36,016 - Yup. - But I, I think there's, like, 916 00:49:36,103 --> 00:49:37,800 11 or 12 that I haven't heard yet. 917 00:49:37,887 --> 00:49:39,150 Oh, my God, "River Song"? 918 00:49:39,237 --> 00:49:40,847 - Did you ever hear that one? - No. 919 00:49:40,934 --> 00:49:42,283 Let's listen to it when we get back to your house. 920 00:49:42,414 --> 00:49:43,502 Is it, like, pretty cool? 921 00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:44,982 It's amazing... 922 00:49:45,069 --> 00:49:46,635 He made good music, didn't he? 923 00:49:46,722 --> 00:49:47,636 He sure did. 924 00:49:47,723 --> 00:49:49,812 The record is... really spectacular. 925 00:49:49,856 --> 00:49:51,379 You're gonna love it. 926 00:49:51,466 --> 00:49:53,077 I'm surprised you never heard it. 927 00:49:53,164 --> 00:49:54,513 No, I haven't. 928 00:49:54,643 --> 00:49:57,864 - After you had left Marilyn... - Right. 929 00:49:57,951 --> 00:49:59,648 ...and you were living in Pacific Palisades, 930 00:49:59,735 --> 00:50:01,955 that's when you were hanging out with Dennis a lot, right? 931 00:50:02,042 --> 00:50:04,740 No, actually I was hanging out with Dennis in Venice. 932 00:50:04,871 --> 00:50:06,916 Oh, in Venice, at his place? 933 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,961 Yeah, he used to play drums 934 00:50:08,048 --> 00:50:09,441 - and I'd play organ. - Mm-hmm. 935 00:50:09,528 --> 00:50:10,877 We used to fool around together. 936 00:50:11,008 --> 00:50:12,444 - Mm-hmm. - You know? 937 00:50:12,531 --> 00:50:15,751 - He was a, a good drummer. - Yeah, he was. 938 00:50:15,882 --> 00:50:17,536 You were really close friends with Dennis. 939 00:50:17,666 --> 00:50:21,540 Because we snorted cocaine together. 940 00:50:21,627 --> 00:50:23,498 He used to buy cocaine for me. 941 00:50:23,542 --> 00:50:25,022 Mm-hmm. 942 00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:27,285 You know what he used to do? 943 00:50:27,328 --> 00:50:30,505 He carried around a big, huge bottle, 944 00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:34,640 plastic bottle of grapefruit juice and vodka. 945 00:50:34,683 --> 00:50:36,294 Wow. 946 00:50:36,381 --> 00:50:38,078 And he would stay drunk the whole day. 947 00:50:38,165 --> 00:50:40,907 He was crazy. Crazy guy. 948 00:50:40,994 --> 00:50:43,344 You think that was 'cause he was anxious and nervous? 949 00:50:43,431 --> 00:50:45,216 Yeah, he, he's always been, like, a... 950 00:50:45,346 --> 00:50:46,565 little bit nervous person, you know? 951 00:50:46,652 --> 00:50:47,696 Mm-hmm. 952 00:50:47,783 --> 00:50:49,959 But he was such a sweet guy too, right? 953 00:50:50,003 --> 00:50:51,091 Didn't he have a big heart? 954 00:50:51,135 --> 00:50:52,745 Oh, he sure did, yeah. 955 00:50:52,788 --> 00:50:55,269 - I like his song "Forever." - Oh, yeah, oh, my God. 956 00:50:55,356 --> 00:50:57,663 - That was beautiful. - So beautiful. 957 00:51:02,276 --> 00:51:04,452 Yeah, I miss him. 958 00:51:16,943 --> 00:51:21,034 Brian's relationship with his brothers, he loved them so much. 959 00:51:29,564 --> 00:51:32,698 Carl was just a nice, soft person, 960 00:51:32,785 --> 00:51:34,743 and he was the peacekeeper in the family, 961 00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:37,050 and Brian was the genius, the introvert, 962 00:51:37,181 --> 00:51:40,488 and Dennis was probably everything Brian wanted to be. 963 00:51:40,575 --> 00:51:43,709 And Brian was everything Dennis wanted to be. 964 00:51:43,796 --> 00:51:47,756 And there in the middle you get that beautiful tug and pull. 965 00:51:47,843 --> 00:51:50,281 Beautiful brotherly relationship. 966 00:51:53,588 --> 00:51:56,025 This is just his little brother talking, 967 00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:57,766 but to see Brian on stage 968 00:51:57,853 --> 00:51:59,551 and see all the people respond to Brian 969 00:51:59,638 --> 00:52:02,031 is so overwhelming, it's so wonderful. 970 00:52:02,075 --> 00:52:04,251 To listen to a Brian Wilson composition, 971 00:52:04,295 --> 00:52:06,558 the only thing stemming from that, the roots, is the love. 972 00:52:06,645 --> 00:52:08,299 It's, it's love. 973 00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:18,004 What you gonna have at the deli? 974 00:52:18,091 --> 00:52:19,875 Good question. 975 00:52:19,962 --> 00:52:21,790 Possibly a Cobb salad. 976 00:52:21,877 --> 00:52:23,140 What about you? 977 00:52:23,227 --> 00:52:26,186 Cobb salad for me. 978 00:52:26,273 --> 00:52:29,450 Yeah, today was fun, I liked it. 979 00:52:32,584 --> 00:52:35,413 When you were... when you had the Radiant Radish, 980 00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:37,110 you'd actually work in the shop, wouldn't you? 981 00:52:37,197 --> 00:52:39,112 I worked there. 982 00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:40,418 Did you know a lot of information 983 00:52:40,461 --> 00:52:43,334 - about health foods and stuff? - No. 984 00:52:43,421 --> 00:52:45,249 A friend of mine was, though, yeah. 985 00:52:45,336 --> 00:52:47,207 - I ran the cash register. - Mm-hmm. 986 00:52:47,251 --> 00:52:49,253 I learned how to do a cash register. 987 00:52:49,340 --> 00:52:51,168 - That's fun. - Guess who I met there. 988 00:52:51,255 --> 00:52:53,170 - Who? - Jack Riley. 989 00:52:53,257 --> 00:52:54,432 - Really? - Yeah. 990 00:52:54,475 --> 00:52:56,042 That's where you met him the first time? 991 00:52:56,173 --> 00:52:58,566 - Yeah. - Wow. And he ended up 992 00:52:58,653 --> 00:53:00,351 managing the Beach Boys, right? 993 00:53:00,438 --> 00:53:03,223 It was his idea to go to Holland. 994 00:53:03,267 --> 00:53:04,485 What was that like? 995 00:53:04,572 --> 00:53:06,400 - It was a trip. - Mm-hmm. 996 00:53:06,487 --> 00:53:09,360 - "Holland" is a great record. - "Holland"? 997 00:53:09,447 --> 00:53:11,231 - Yeah. - Yeah. 998 00:53:11,275 --> 00:53:13,451 It was a kick, working in Holland. 999 00:53:13,538 --> 00:53:15,017 Mm-hmm. You didn't wanna go at first. 1000 00:53:15,061 --> 00:53:16,845 Oh, no, I didn't wanna go. 1001 00:53:16,932 --> 00:53:19,152 Jack said, "Look, Brian, it'd be a good vacation for us all, 1002 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,849 and we can record there." 1003 00:53:20,936 --> 00:53:24,462 I said, "Okay, I'll go," so we packed up and went. 1004 00:53:24,505 --> 00:53:26,377 Stayed there for a half a year. 1005 00:53:26,464 --> 00:53:28,379 - Wow. - That's a long vacation. 1006 00:53:28,466 --> 00:53:30,859 - Very long. - Six months 1007 00:53:30,946 --> 00:53:33,427 in goddamn Holland. 1008 00:53:33,514 --> 00:53:35,081 - Whoa... - Six months. 1009 00:53:35,168 --> 00:53:37,692 I was a little depressed, so I laid down 1010 00:53:37,736 --> 00:53:39,738 in front of the board, you know, the console? 1011 00:53:39,868 --> 00:53:42,262 - Yeah. - And just listened to Carl 1012 00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:44,525 produce for a couple of weeks, 1013 00:53:44,656 --> 00:53:47,485 and then, after I got over my depression, 1014 00:53:47,528 --> 00:53:51,706 I wrote "The Fairytale," and, uh, we did it. 1015 00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:54,318 - That's cool. - And then Carl... 1016 00:53:54,448 --> 00:53:55,884 he produced "The Fairytale." 1017 00:53:55,971 --> 00:53:57,669 That's awesome. 1018 00:53:57,756 --> 00:54:01,629 I wrote it, he produced it, and Jack Riley narrated it. 1019 00:54:01,716 --> 00:54:02,326 Wow. 1020 00:54:02,456 --> 00:54:05,111 "Funky Pretty." 1021 00:54:05,198 --> 00:54:06,547 "Funky Pretty" is amazing. 1022 00:54:06,634 --> 00:54:08,636 Yeah. 1023 00:54:08,723 --> 00:54:11,422 Carl was producing a lot at that point, right? 1024 00:54:11,509 --> 00:54:14,251 He produced his ass off, are you kidding? 1025 00:54:14,338 --> 00:54:16,209 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1026 00:54:16,296 --> 00:54:19,125 Must have been really cool to see your little brother step up. 1027 00:54:19,212 --> 00:54:20,561 Well, I was proud of him. 1028 00:54:20,648 --> 00:54:22,563 - He produced "The Fairytale." - Right. 1029 00:54:22,650 --> 00:54:24,130 He said, "Brian, I wanna produce this." 1030 00:54:24,217 --> 00:54:26,088 He goes, "I like these songs." 1031 00:54:26,175 --> 00:54:27,002 I said, "Go ahead, produce it." 1032 00:54:27,089 --> 00:54:28,526 That's cool. 1033 00:54:28,569 --> 00:54:29,962 - It, it blew my mind. - You didn't know 1034 00:54:30,005 --> 00:54:32,312 - he had it in him. - Oh, no, I did not. 1035 00:54:32,399 --> 00:54:35,707 You also... did you write "Sail on, Sailor" there? 1036 00:54:35,794 --> 00:54:37,448 Yeah. 1037 00:54:37,578 --> 00:54:39,798 That song, man, that's one of the greats. 1038 00:54:43,367 --> 00:54:44,672 "Sail on, Sailor" is probably 1039 00:54:44,759 --> 00:54:48,023 one of the best songs I ever wrote. 1040 00:54:48,110 --> 00:54:50,504 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1041 00:54:52,114 --> 00:54:54,465 When we get to my house, 1042 00:54:54,552 --> 00:54:55,814 would you please boot up Dennis's album? 1043 00:54:55,901 --> 00:54:57,381 Absolutely. We'll listen to 1044 00:54:57,468 --> 00:54:58,773 - a little of the record... - Okay. 1045 00:54:58,817 --> 00:55:01,036 - Then you can relax. - All right. 1046 00:55:01,167 --> 00:55:03,387 Will you give him the card? I'm gonna hit the head. 1047 00:55:03,517 --> 00:55:05,040 - I'll be right back. - All right. 1048 00:55:05,127 --> 00:55:06,607 - I'll take care of it, guys. - How's it going? 1049 00:55:06,694 --> 00:55:08,130 It's going great, Brian. 1050 00:55:08,217 --> 00:55:09,393 - You gonna take care of this? - Absolutely. 1051 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,481 All right, I'm gonna get the check. 1052 00:55:10,568 --> 00:55:11,482 Okay, Brent, okay. 1053 00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:12,700 He's gonna take care of it. 1054 00:55:12,787 --> 00:55:14,049 - All right, we scored! 1055 00:55:14,136 --> 00:55:16,182 - We scored! - I scored a friend. 1056 00:55:16,313 --> 00:55:17,488 Yeah, for sure. 1057 00:55:17,575 --> 00:55:19,054 I haven't had a friend... 1058 00:55:19,185 --> 00:55:21,056 I haven't had a friend to talk to in three years. 1059 00:55:21,187 --> 00:55:23,058 - Really? - Really. 1060 00:55:23,145 --> 00:55:25,800 My life has been so simple, you know? 1061 00:55:25,844 --> 00:55:26,714 Yeah. 1062 00:55:26,801 --> 00:55:28,281 So simple and, like, modest? 1063 00:55:28,368 --> 00:55:30,544 - Yeah. - No really sitting around 1064 00:55:30,631 --> 00:55:32,198 and shooting the shit kinda thing. 1065 00:55:32,285 --> 00:55:33,199 - Right. - I haven't had 1066 00:55:33,286 --> 00:55:34,418 that kind of thing since you. 1067 00:55:34,505 --> 00:55:35,854 Well, I'm here for ya. 1068 00:55:35,941 --> 00:55:37,377 Vice versa. 1069 00:55:37,421 --> 00:55:39,423 - Okay. - Let's go. 1070 00:55:48,649 --> 00:55:51,435 Yeah. The great Vanna White. 1071 00:55:53,437 --> 00:55:54,873 That's amazing. 1072 00:55:57,963 --> 00:55:59,965 Do you remember him talking to you about the record? 1073 00:56:00,052 --> 00:56:03,098 He came over and he played me just the "Evening News" song. 1074 00:56:03,185 --> 00:56:05,536 I never listened to his album till right now. 1075 00:56:07,015 --> 00:56:08,147 All right. 1076 00:56:10,628 --> 00:56:12,847 Can you make it a little louder? 1077 00:56:19,506 --> 00:56:24,076 If you ask Elvis Costello or Roger Taylor 1078 00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:25,860 or Peter Buck from REM, 1079 00:56:25,947 --> 00:56:27,209 I've heard all of these people talk about this record, 1080 00:56:27,296 --> 00:56:29,603 of it being this, like, lost jewel. 1081 00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:31,605 It's a bummer that it didn't slow him down 1082 00:56:31,692 --> 00:56:33,085 or knock some sense into him, 1083 00:56:33,128 --> 00:56:36,044 saying, "Lookit, dude, you are a great artist." 1084 00:56:39,831 --> 00:56:41,702 All right! 1085 00:56:41,789 --> 00:56:43,617 This could be cool for the rock-and-roll record. 1086 00:56:43,704 --> 00:56:45,663 - Yeah. 1087 00:56:45,706 --> 00:56:47,578 - Good. 1088 00:56:49,362 --> 00:56:52,365 Dennis was just an, an impulsive hell-raising dude, 1089 00:56:52,496 --> 00:56:53,714 but had a big heart, you know? 1090 00:56:53,845 --> 00:56:54,933 And loved his brother. 1091 00:56:58,023 --> 00:56:59,416 All right. 1092 00:56:59,503 --> 00:57:00,591 Do you wanna hear one more? 1093 00:57:00,678 --> 00:57:02,506 Wanna hear it all. 1094 00:57:02,636 --> 00:57:05,465 - Yeah. 1095 00:57:37,454 --> 00:57:38,977 This guy called me up, he goes, 1096 00:57:39,064 --> 00:57:40,718 "Brian, I'm sorry to tell you this, 1097 00:57:40,805 --> 00:57:43,068 but your brother Dennis drowned tonight." 1098 00:57:43,155 --> 00:57:46,114 I got this terrible feeling in my chest, you know? 1099 00:57:46,245 --> 00:57:47,420 Really scared me. 1100 00:57:51,206 --> 00:57:55,515 I have had two losses in my family in the last ten years, 1101 00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:57,212 and it's been hard for me. 1102 00:57:57,299 --> 00:57:59,127 The first loss was very hard, it was my father, 1103 00:57:59,214 --> 00:58:01,390 and then of course my brother Dennis... 1104 00:58:04,219 --> 00:58:07,005 We go back about 21 years, you know, 1105 00:58:07,092 --> 00:58:10,443 and it's hard to lose a brother, and somebody who had 1106 00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:14,969 such a vital, energetic thing about him, and, uh... 1107 00:58:15,056 --> 00:58:16,971 I just don't want to, to talk anymore about it. 1108 00:58:27,721 --> 00:58:30,419 - All right. 1109 00:58:30,463 --> 00:58:33,771 It's always a great day when you can ride to Malibu. 1110 00:58:33,858 --> 00:58:37,818 Taking a, a peaceful to drive to the, to our stomping grounds. 1111 00:58:37,905 --> 00:58:41,822 Yeah, you have a lot of, lot of history in Malibu. 1112 00:58:41,909 --> 00:58:47,045 - Yeah. Nine years. - Yeah. 1113 00:58:47,132 --> 00:58:49,482 Yeah, I served time for nine years. 1114 00:58:51,528 --> 00:58:53,355 Is it like a prison sentence? 1115 00:58:53,442 --> 00:58:55,183 Yeah, it was like... yeah, in a way, yeah. 1116 00:59:05,498 --> 00:59:10,329 - Oh, oh, oh, oh... 1117 00:59:19,773 --> 00:59:21,514 I contribute. 1118 00:59:21,601 --> 00:59:23,385 I'm a contributor. 1119 00:59:23,472 --> 00:59:25,692 - BRIAN: In my personal story, 1120 00:59:25,736 --> 00:59:26,867 it really didn't work out so well. 1121 00:59:26,998 --> 00:59:30,218 I did my dose of LSD, it shattered my mind, 1122 00:59:30,305 --> 00:59:32,656 and I, you know, came back, thank God, in... 1123 00:59:32,743 --> 00:59:34,527 I don't know how many pieces. 1124 00:59:34,614 --> 00:59:37,661 I think what happened was that it became too painful for him. 1125 00:59:37,748 --> 00:59:39,358 I was terrified for my brother. 1126 00:59:39,445 --> 00:59:41,316 Why in the world would a man 1127 00:59:41,403 --> 00:59:42,579 with that kind of God-given talent 1128 00:59:42,666 --> 00:59:44,319 need any help from drugs? 1129 00:59:44,406 --> 00:59:46,104 I have been taught the difference by my psychiatrist, 1130 00:59:46,234 --> 00:59:48,454 thank God, of a natural high and a drug high. 1131 00:59:48,541 --> 00:59:51,109 I mean, drugs are a definite balance of heaven and hell. 1132 00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:53,502 You go to heaven, then you go right to hell. 1133 00:59:53,546 --> 00:59:55,287 What made you come back, Brian? 1134 00:59:55,374 --> 00:59:57,289 I probably came back out of will, just... my name is Wilson, 1135 00:59:57,332 --> 01:00:00,422 maybe that's where I got the will. 1136 01:00:10,128 --> 01:00:12,217 They're called auditory hallucinations. 1137 01:00:12,304 --> 01:00:13,871 You're normal and then all of a sudden 1138 01:00:13,958 --> 01:00:16,743 you start hearing voices in your head. 1139 01:00:16,787 --> 01:00:19,790 The voices say, "I'm gonna hurt you, I'm gonna kill you," yeah. 1140 01:00:19,877 --> 01:00:21,922 I was afraid the devil came 1141 01:00:22,053 --> 01:00:23,532 in the form of other people 1142 01:00:23,576 --> 01:00:26,710 that were competing with me, that had ideas of, 1143 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,582 of killing me and getting rid of me. 1144 01:00:29,713 --> 01:00:32,629 Everywhere I looked, I would see, "Oh, the devil's after me." 1145 01:00:36,284 --> 01:00:41,289 What people have a tendency to do that suffer with depression 1146 01:00:41,376 --> 01:00:43,944 is they use drugs and alcohol to medicate themselves. 1147 01:00:44,075 --> 01:00:47,382 It's called nepenthe...numbing the soul. 1148 01:01:03,834 --> 01:01:09,187 If I had not taken control, he could be dead. 1149 01:01:09,274 --> 01:01:13,147 He had a year or two to live and he'd have died. 1150 01:01:13,191 --> 01:01:18,196 "We are worried that Brian Wilson is gonna follow Elvis." 1151 01:01:18,326 --> 01:01:20,285 Oh, God, no. 1152 01:01:27,292 --> 01:01:30,991 We met back in 1986, during the Landy years. 1153 01:01:31,122 --> 01:01:34,821 As time went on, he, he became... captive. 1154 01:01:34,865 --> 01:01:37,432 I wasn't allowed to call my family or my friends at all 1155 01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:38,956 for, for nine years. 1156 01:01:38,999 --> 01:01:41,741 He doped me up with, with, uh, medication. 1157 01:01:41,828 --> 01:01:43,308 He kept me, he kept me doped up 1158 01:01:43,395 --> 01:01:45,353 so I couldn't resist what he told me to do. 1159 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:46,441 Why? 1160 01:01:46,528 --> 01:01:47,965 I... he's a control freak. 1161 01:01:48,008 --> 01:01:50,402 He just... he gets off on controlling people. 1162 01:02:01,021 --> 01:02:03,676 Was it hard to let go? 1163 01:02:03,763 --> 01:02:05,460 A little bit hard for me to let go, yeah. It was hard. 1164 01:02:05,547 --> 01:02:07,462 When you've had a control figure in your life 1165 01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:09,334 for that long a period. 1166 01:02:09,421 --> 01:02:13,251 Nine years, starting from 1983 to 1992. 1167 01:02:13,338 --> 01:02:15,427 It was nine years of control. 1168 01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:34,751 He's the one that's done all this. 1169 01:02:34,838 --> 01:02:38,493 He, he's had support, like I say. 1170 01:02:38,624 --> 01:02:40,931 He's had emotional... emotional security, 1171 01:02:41,061 --> 01:02:45,457 but he is the one that's pulled himself out of the darkness, 1172 01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:46,806 back into the sunlight. 1173 01:02:54,466 --> 01:02:57,208 Dr. Landy controlled a lot of aspects of your life. 1174 01:02:57,338 --> 01:02:58,862 Yup. 1175 01:02:58,949 --> 01:02:59,863 Was he a pretty tough taskmaster? 1176 01:02:59,950 --> 01:03:01,299 He was rough, yeah. 1177 01:03:01,429 --> 01:03:02,909 He was rough. 1178 01:03:02,953 --> 01:03:06,957 He did things like he made me eat spaghetti off the floor. 1179 01:03:07,087 --> 01:03:08,349 - Uh-huh. - Crazy things, you know? 1180 01:03:08,436 --> 01:03:09,960 Why did he do that? 1181 01:03:10,047 --> 01:03:12,266 I don't know, he just acted crazy. 1182 01:03:12,310 --> 01:03:13,441 Mm-hmm. 1183 01:03:13,528 --> 01:03:15,226 He goes, "All right, 1184 01:03:15,313 --> 01:03:18,098 I want you to eat your spaghetti off the floor." 1185 01:03:18,229 --> 01:03:21,536 I said, "Oh, man," he goes, "I said eat your..." 1186 01:03:21,667 --> 01:03:23,103 You know, he was real mean, you know? 1187 01:03:23,234 --> 01:03:25,584 And then about two weeks, three weeks later, 1188 01:03:25,671 --> 01:03:27,194 he went, "Hi, Brian." 1189 01:03:27,281 --> 01:03:28,892 In a real friendly tone, you know? 1190 01:03:29,022 --> 01:03:30,676 That was really quite an experience. 1191 01:03:30,763 --> 01:03:32,983 - Kind of a mind trip. - Yeah. 1192 01:03:39,511 --> 01:03:41,905 Yeah, he didn't let me call my family. 1193 01:03:46,997 --> 01:03:48,128 That must have been hard. 1194 01:03:48,215 --> 01:03:49,260 Your daughters were growing up. 1195 01:03:49,347 --> 01:03:51,784 Oh, it was, Jason, it was. 1196 01:04:30,779 --> 01:04:32,390 So, do you have a hard time 1197 01:04:32,477 --> 01:04:34,348 making sense of the good parts and the bad parts? 1198 01:04:34,392 --> 01:04:36,742 No, I took the bad with the good with him, you know? 1199 01:04:36,873 --> 01:04:38,526 Yeah. 1200 01:04:38,613 --> 01:04:40,833 Balancing the two together, you know? 1201 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,009 Mm-hmm. 1202 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,147 You know what I had... you know what I did for a little while? 1203 01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:52,976 - What? - When I was, like, really fat? 1204 01:04:53,106 --> 01:04:57,067 I ate two New York steaks for breakfast 1205 01:04:57,154 --> 01:05:00,200 and a big piece of, uh, birthday cake. 1206 01:05:00,331 --> 01:05:01,636 - Really? - Yeah. 1207 01:05:01,767 --> 01:05:03,551 I went up... shot up to 311. 1208 01:05:03,638 --> 01:05:07,077 - Oh, my God. - Oh, Jason, I was so fat. 1209 01:05:07,207 --> 01:05:09,862 And when Gene Landy came into my life, 1210 01:05:09,949 --> 01:05:11,646 he had me weigh myself. 1211 01:05:11,777 --> 01:05:14,432 I weighed 311, and he goes, "And we're going to Kona, Hawaii, 1212 01:05:14,562 --> 01:05:17,348 and you're gonna start exercising." 1213 01:05:17,435 --> 01:05:21,787 So, in about five or six months, I goddamn lost... 1214 01:05:21,874 --> 01:05:24,224 went from 311 to 185. 1215 01:05:24,355 --> 01:05:25,530 Can you believe that? 1216 01:05:25,617 --> 01:05:27,532 - Oh, man. - Isn't that amazing? 1217 01:05:27,619 --> 01:05:30,100 Why do you think you were eating so bad? 1218 01:05:30,187 --> 01:05:32,145 Uh... I was just being stupid. 1219 01:05:32,276 --> 01:05:34,017 Uh-huh. 1220 01:05:34,104 --> 01:05:37,107 So, what was it like when Landy took you to Hawaii? 1221 01:05:37,237 --> 01:05:42,851 Well... I had to kick three main drug habits at the same time. 1222 01:05:42,895 --> 01:05:45,202 So I spent a few nights tossing and turning 1223 01:05:45,245 --> 01:05:47,682 and rolling in the bed, moaning and groaning 1224 01:05:47,769 --> 01:05:50,120 and it was like a guy kicking heroin, you know? 1225 01:05:50,207 --> 01:05:52,600 - Whoa. - Oh, it was rough. 1226 01:05:52,687 --> 01:05:55,647 I had to kick cigarettes, alcohol and cocaine. 1227 01:05:55,690 --> 01:05:56,909 All at once? 1228 01:05:56,996 --> 01:05:58,519 - All at once, yeah. - Whoa. 1229 01:05:58,563 --> 01:06:00,739 That was one of the roughest trips I ever took, yeah. 1230 01:06:00,826 --> 01:06:02,480 Which was the hardest to stop? 1231 01:06:02,567 --> 01:06:07,789 Um, the roughest... was... the cigarettes. 1232 01:06:07,833 --> 01:06:09,704 He motivated you. 1233 01:06:09,791 --> 01:06:11,837 He sure did, yeah. 1234 01:06:11,924 --> 01:06:15,058 But on the bad side, he controlled you. 1235 01:06:15,145 --> 01:06:16,450 Yeah, he did. 1236 01:06:16,494 --> 01:06:18,583 He made money off my name, you know? 1237 01:06:18,626 --> 01:06:20,498 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1238 01:06:20,585 --> 01:06:22,630 The thing about Eugene Landy 1239 01:06:22,717 --> 01:06:27,287 was that he was supposed to be watching Brian's diet 1240 01:06:27,418 --> 01:06:29,420 and taking care of him 1241 01:06:29,507 --> 01:06:31,857 physically and, uh, trying to get him 1242 01:06:31,944 --> 01:06:35,165 to lose weight and stop living a bad lifestyle. 1243 01:06:35,252 --> 01:06:39,952 Um, he kind of overstepped his, uh, boundaries or something, 1244 01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:41,954 whatever boundaries there were supposed to be, 1245 01:06:42,041 --> 01:06:43,477 and got involved in songwriting 1246 01:06:43,521 --> 01:06:44,826 and production and stuff like that. 1247 01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:47,307 That was kind of a real drag. 1248 01:06:47,394 --> 01:06:49,048 When people realized how bad that was, 1249 01:06:49,135 --> 01:06:50,832 I think that started the wheels turning pretty quickly 1250 01:06:50,876 --> 01:06:53,183 to, to get rid of Landy. 1251 01:06:53,313 --> 01:06:57,056 The day that that happened, Brian called me, 1252 01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:58,275 and he said, "I'm free now. 1253 01:06:58,318 --> 01:06:59,754 "I can do whatever I want. 1254 01:06:59,841 --> 01:07:01,539 What are you doing, Andy?" 1255 01:07:01,626 --> 01:07:04,194 And I said, "I'm... doing nothing, what do you wanna do?" 1256 01:07:04,324 --> 01:07:05,543 And he said, "I wanna write songs." 1257 01:07:05,673 --> 01:07:09,460 Trying to think of what I wanna hear. 1258 01:07:09,590 --> 01:07:13,203 Play... 1259 01:07:13,290 --> 01:07:14,900 "Long Promised Road"? 1260 01:07:15,031 --> 01:07:17,250 Great call. 1261 01:07:19,818 --> 01:07:21,863 Here it is. 1262 01:07:48,107 --> 01:07:50,370 It's a really cool track. 1263 01:07:50,457 --> 01:07:52,198 Did he write the words? Carl? 1264 01:07:52,242 --> 01:07:53,765 Yeah... uh, Jack Riley wrote 'em. 1265 01:07:53,808 --> 01:07:55,984 - Okay. - Yeah. 1266 01:07:56,028 --> 01:07:57,508 He died not too long ago. 1267 01:07:57,595 --> 01:07:59,118 - Jack died? - A few years ago, yeah. 1268 01:07:59,162 --> 01:08:00,728 How do you know that? 1269 01:08:00,815 --> 01:08:04,254 Somebody that I knew knew him, and told me that. 1270 01:08:04,384 --> 01:08:05,690 Where was he living, in Amsterdam? 1271 01:08:05,777 --> 01:08:07,822 Yeah, in, in Europe. I don't know if it was in Ams... 1272 01:08:07,909 --> 01:08:09,389 - He died? - Yeah. 1273 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,740 - Oh, man... - A few years back. 1274 01:08:22,837 --> 01:08:25,753 That's enough. 1275 01:08:34,327 --> 01:08:37,504 Jack seemed like a really fun guy. 1276 01:08:37,635 --> 01:08:39,941 Yeah. He's the one who thought of going to Holland. 1277 01:08:39,985 --> 01:08:42,379 - Uh-huh. - You know? 1278 01:08:45,991 --> 01:08:48,298 What did Jack die of? 1279 01:08:48,385 --> 01:08:51,083 I'm not sure. 1280 01:08:54,434 --> 01:08:56,523 Was he older than you? 1281 01:08:56,610 --> 01:08:58,482 Uh, I think he was about the same age as me. 1282 01:08:58,569 --> 01:09:01,354 Okay. 1283 01:09:04,401 --> 01:09:09,449 Would you play, um... 1284 01:09:09,536 --> 01:09:12,626 Uh... 1285 01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:14,411 "It's OK" by the Beach Boys? 1286 01:09:14,498 --> 01:09:17,979 - Heck, yeah. - On, uh, "15 Big Ones." 1287 01:09:43,831 --> 01:09:47,922 - Really cool line. - Yeah. 1288 01:09:53,667 --> 01:09:56,583 That broke my heart when I heard Jack Riley died. 1289 01:09:56,670 --> 01:09:58,716 Oh, man, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. 1290 01:09:58,803 --> 01:10:04,635 Absolutely... absolutely broke my heart. 1291 01:10:04,722 --> 01:10:08,726 - About three years ago? - I think so, yeah, maybe more. 1292 01:10:13,296 --> 01:10:14,645 Any other ones you wanna hear? 1293 01:10:14,775 --> 01:10:17,648 Yeah. 1294 01:10:17,778 --> 01:10:21,826 Play... 1295 01:10:21,869 --> 01:10:23,871 Don't play anything. 1296 01:10:23,958 --> 01:10:25,046 - I've heard enough today. - Okay. 1297 01:11:22,974 --> 01:11:24,454 You've gotta be tough 1298 01:11:24,541 --> 01:11:26,151 to go through what he's been through, 1299 01:11:26,238 --> 01:11:29,502 personally and musically, and, uh, with his family, 1300 01:11:29,589 --> 01:11:30,982 and stuff with his dad. 1301 01:11:31,025 --> 01:11:33,027 You've gotta be tough to survive that. 1302 01:11:50,697 --> 01:11:52,830 The odds were not on Brian, 1303 01:11:52,917 --> 01:11:55,485 but the fact that he is still here 1304 01:11:55,572 --> 01:11:59,924 and performing and making music... 1305 01:12:00,011 --> 01:12:01,404 it's a miracle, kind of, isn't it? 1306 01:12:01,491 --> 01:12:02,405 Really, it is. 1307 01:12:02,535 --> 01:12:04,363 I wonder if he sees it that way. 1308 01:12:21,162 --> 01:12:23,774 Here's your old spot. 1309 01:12:23,861 --> 01:12:26,080 Moonshadows. 1310 01:12:26,211 --> 01:12:29,606 Good... I think they have a dance, a dance floor there. 1311 01:12:29,693 --> 01:12:31,651 Had a couple, couple glasses of wine, 1312 01:12:31,782 --> 01:12:33,436 feel good, then I went and danced... 1313 01:12:33,523 --> 01:12:35,873 - Right. - ...for a little while. 1314 01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,614 I never knew you were a big dancer. 1315 01:12:37,657 --> 01:12:39,964 I can't dance very good, Jason. 1316 01:12:41,661 --> 01:12:45,404 You did... I saw, uh, that you did, 1317 01:12:45,491 --> 01:12:47,101 you did a lot of dancing at your wedding. 1318 01:12:47,188 --> 01:12:49,365 Yeah. 1319 01:12:49,452 --> 01:12:51,105 When the spirit moves you? 1320 01:12:51,192 --> 01:12:52,890 Yeah. 1321 01:12:52,977 --> 01:12:54,631 Tell me the story 1322 01:12:54,718 --> 01:12:56,415 of when you and Melinda decided to get married. 1323 01:12:56,459 --> 01:12:59,462 We were staying in a house on Ferrari... 1324 01:12:59,592 --> 01:13:01,681 - Uh-huh. - ...and she goes, 1325 01:13:01,768 --> 01:13:03,466 "Aren't you going to ask me to get married?" 1326 01:13:03,553 --> 01:13:04,467 I said, "Yeah." 1327 01:13:04,554 --> 01:13:05,903 She goes, "Yeah!" 1328 01:13:07,513 --> 01:13:08,384 I said, "Would you marry me?" 1329 01:13:08,471 --> 01:13:10,037 She goes, "Yeah!" 1330 01:13:11,474 --> 01:13:13,563 You must have been pretty excited. 1331 01:13:13,693 --> 01:13:15,042 Yeah, we got married in Palos Verdes. 1332 01:13:15,173 --> 01:13:16,870 Mm-hmm. 1333 01:13:16,914 --> 01:13:18,568 19... 95. 1334 01:13:18,655 --> 01:13:20,439 - MINISTER: To speak... - BRIAN: To speak... 1335 01:13:20,483 --> 01:13:22,833 - and to listen. - and to listen. 1336 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,488 - To inspire... - To inspire... 1337 01:13:25,575 --> 01:13:27,881 - ...and to respond. - And what? 1338 01:13:27,925 --> 01:13:29,013 - And to respond. 1339 01:13:29,056 --> 01:13:30,623 And to respond. 1340 01:13:42,374 --> 01:13:45,072 - To Brian and Melinda. 1341 01:13:55,735 --> 01:13:58,303 When did you guys decide to have kids? 1342 01:13:58,390 --> 01:14:00,958 - We adopted. - Yeah. 1343 01:14:01,045 --> 01:14:03,395 19... 98. 1344 01:14:03,482 --> 01:14:06,180 That must have been a big deal, adopting new kids. 1345 01:14:06,267 --> 01:14:07,312 Yeah, that was a trip. 1346 01:14:12,752 --> 01:14:16,277 - One, two, three, swing. 1347 01:14:16,364 --> 01:14:21,239 - One, two, three, swing. 1348 01:14:22,936 --> 01:14:24,764 Those kids are, like, very creative and playful. 1349 01:14:24,895 --> 01:14:28,289 I learned love from them, the way they express love. 1350 01:14:28,376 --> 01:14:32,206 Yeah, it's inspiring, it really is, yeah. 1351 01:14:48,309 --> 01:14:49,485 I don't think there would have been a third act 1352 01:14:49,572 --> 01:14:51,312 if it hadn't have been for Melinda. 1353 01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:52,792 Brian found his salvation. 1354 01:14:52,879 --> 01:14:54,141 He went through such a dark period of his life. 1355 01:14:54,228 --> 01:14:56,013 And whenever I see them, they're just like 1356 01:14:56,143 --> 01:14:58,798 a very happy, ordinary married couple with children. 1357 01:14:58,929 --> 01:15:01,235 He loves her, she loves him. 1358 01:15:01,366 --> 01:15:03,368 'Cause, again, he's not a person to live a lavish lifestyle. 1359 01:15:03,499 --> 01:15:05,109 He's just a California boy 1360 01:15:05,196 --> 01:15:07,154 that likes to make music and be with his family. 1361 01:15:10,201 --> 01:15:12,203 He doesn't deserve just the accolades about the music. 1362 01:15:12,246 --> 01:15:15,511 He deserves the accolades about his personal life. 1363 01:15:31,875 --> 01:15:34,355 Do you remember the day you came to Trankas 1364 01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:37,402 to, to your birthday party? 1365 01:15:37,489 --> 01:15:39,230 Yeah, McCartney was there... 1366 01:15:39,273 --> 01:15:42,363 and his wife, Linda... 1367 01:15:42,450 --> 01:15:44,583 - Uh-huh. - ... was there. 1368 01:15:44,670 --> 01:15:48,239 And it was a really cool house. 1369 01:15:48,326 --> 01:15:49,414 It's amazing, that day, you did so much that day. 1370 01:15:49,545 --> 01:15:50,850 It was your birthday party, 1371 01:15:50,937 --> 01:15:54,071 you filmed that Rolling Stone cover, 1372 01:15:54,201 --> 01:15:56,421 and you did that skit for Saturday Night Live, 1373 01:15:56,508 --> 01:15:57,727 all on the same day. 1374 01:15:57,814 --> 01:15:58,771 Let's go surfin' now. 1375 01:15:58,858 --> 01:16:00,077 Everybody's learnin' how. 1376 01:16:00,207 --> 01:16:01,644 Come on a safari with us. 1377 01:16:01,774 --> 01:16:03,210 - Come on. - Let's go. 1378 01:16:03,297 --> 01:16:03,994 Right. 1379 01:16:05,952 --> 01:16:09,086 How does it make you feel to hear these songs? 1380 01:16:09,173 --> 01:16:11,175 Oh, wonderful. 1381 01:16:11,262 --> 01:16:12,655 What a great feel. 1382 01:16:12,785 --> 01:16:15,353 Oh, I'm so proud of Carl, again, man. 1383 01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:16,876 When did you first know 1384 01:16:16,963 --> 01:16:20,532 that Carl could sing leads so well like that? 1385 01:16:20,619 --> 01:16:25,189 Well... 19... 60... 5 or 6. 1386 01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:27,452 When he sang "God Only Knows," you must have known, 1387 01:16:27,583 --> 01:16:31,543 "My gosh, he's really stepped up." 1388 01:16:31,674 --> 01:16:32,849 Well, I was gonna do the vocal, 1389 01:16:32,892 --> 01:16:35,416 and I said, "Carl, do you wanna do the vocal?" 1390 01:16:35,503 --> 01:16:38,550 He goes, "Sure, I'd love to," you know? So he did the vocal. 1391 01:16:38,637 --> 01:16:40,160 And he killed it. 1392 01:16:40,247 --> 01:16:41,988 Yeah, he did. 1393 01:17:34,171 --> 01:17:36,826 I saw him about a week before he died, 1394 01:17:36,913 --> 01:17:38,741 and he goes, "I'm gonna make it, Brian, 1395 01:17:38,828 --> 01:17:39,959 I'm gonna make it through." 1396 01:17:40,090 --> 01:17:41,961 And he died a couple of weeks later. 1397 01:17:42,048 --> 01:17:43,310 Oh... 1398 01:17:43,397 --> 01:17:45,138 It's emotionally hard to sing it. 1399 01:17:45,225 --> 01:17:47,097 I like... it feels good to sing, though, you know? 1400 01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:48,054 Mm-hmm. 1401 01:17:48,141 --> 01:17:49,839 When I sing it, I think about him. 1402 01:17:49,926 --> 01:17:52,145 "God Only Knows" gets a standing ovation every time. 1403 01:18:06,638 --> 01:18:09,772 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen! 1404 01:18:12,383 --> 01:18:13,297 Please be seated. 1405 01:18:13,384 --> 01:18:17,214 Thank you very much. 1406 01:18:28,442 --> 01:18:32,751 Yeah, there it is. 1407 01:18:55,339 --> 01:18:56,775 Right here. 1408 01:18:58,995 --> 01:18:59,909 I'm not gonna get out of the car. 1409 01:18:59,996 --> 01:19:01,954 - You sure? - Yeah. 1410 01:19:03,826 --> 01:19:06,611 I'm gonna get out, okay? Check it out. 1411 01:19:06,698 --> 01:19:08,134 No... I'm just gonna wait. 1412 01:19:08,221 --> 01:19:10,049 Too sentimental for me to go. 1413 01:19:10,180 --> 01:19:11,834 All right, I'll tell 'em. 1414 01:19:13,052 --> 01:19:16,360 - Want the music on? - Yeah. 1415 01:19:37,294 --> 01:19:39,513 I asked Brian one time, 1416 01:19:39,644 --> 01:19:43,300 "Why do you think we succeeded in such a big way?" 1417 01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:47,695 He said, "Well, I think the music celebrated the joy of life 1418 01:19:47,739 --> 01:19:49,393 in a real, simple way." 1419 01:19:51,743 --> 01:19:56,226 Not heavy or... or, or complex or anything. 1420 01:19:56,313 --> 01:19:59,359 Just a real direct experience of just joyfulness. 1421 01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,932 - Bah-bah, bah-bah... 1422 01:20:20,206 --> 01:20:21,991 - Too much on that one, huh? - Yeah. 1423 01:20:30,347 --> 01:20:32,958 Yeah. 1424 01:20:56,155 --> 01:20:58,288 - Ooh, ooh... 1425 01:21:31,321 --> 01:21:33,062 I wanna take this opportunity right now 1426 01:21:33,149 --> 01:21:37,196 to thank our beloved Brian for writing all that beautiful music 1427 01:21:37,327 --> 01:21:38,981 and making this evening possible. 1428 01:21:39,111 --> 01:21:41,766 Let's hear it for Brian Wilson. 1429 01:21:56,868 --> 01:21:58,565 - It's okay? - Sure. 1430 01:22:01,177 --> 01:22:02,221 Happy with it? 1431 01:22:02,308 --> 01:22:03,788 - Love it, yeah. - Okay. 1432 01:22:03,919 --> 01:22:06,095 It starts out one, two, three. 1433 01:22:09,794 --> 01:22:12,144 Okay, okay. 1434 01:22:12,231 --> 01:22:13,667 - It fades 1435 01:22:13,754 --> 01:22:15,017 in about eight, ten bars. 1436 01:22:15,104 --> 01:22:16,670 - Got it. - In ten. 1437 01:22:16,757 --> 01:22:18,890 I'm just gonna prepare myself mentally for the vocals. 1438 01:22:19,021 --> 01:22:20,805 - For some vocals? - Yeah. 1439 01:22:20,892 --> 01:22:22,502 Good! You want me to scratch your back or rub your back? 1440 01:22:22,589 --> 01:22:24,243 Sure. 1441 01:22:24,330 --> 01:22:27,116 DRUMMER, TAPPING: One, two, one, two, three, four. 1442 01:22:43,915 --> 01:22:47,919 - CHORUS: Yeah 1443 01:22:59,061 --> 01:23:00,410 It's a gift for all of us 1444 01:23:00,497 --> 01:23:02,238 to have someone like Brian or those guys 1445 01:23:02,325 --> 01:23:03,065 who still love music and wanna play music. 1446 01:23:03,195 --> 01:23:04,501 It's a gift to everybody, 1447 01:23:04,631 --> 01:23:06,590 because he certainly doesn't have to do that. 1448 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,026 Brian will always wanna go out and perform. 1449 01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:09,636 He will always wanna make records. 1450 01:23:09,723 --> 01:23:11,725 It's 'cause music runs through his veins. 1451 01:23:16,078 --> 01:23:17,427 I don't see age. 1452 01:23:17,514 --> 01:23:23,476 I see fucking history, and continuing to make history. 1453 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,522 I think he's enjoying himself. 1454 01:23:25,652 --> 01:23:29,091 He wants to go on the road and he wants to keep going, so... 1455 01:23:29,178 --> 01:23:30,962 I can't argue with that. 1456 01:23:43,757 --> 01:23:45,977 In the last two years, you've toured, like, 180 dates. 1457 01:23:46,064 --> 01:23:48,023 It's more than you've ever played 1458 01:23:48,110 --> 01:23:50,547 at any time in your career. 1459 01:23:50,634 --> 01:23:52,549 - Well, we toured the world. - You gotta be proud of that. 1460 01:23:52,636 --> 01:23:53,941 Lotta concerts. 1461 01:24:09,435 --> 01:24:11,481 I've been in a concert with him, and he did a song 1462 01:24:11,568 --> 01:24:13,439 that I thought I would never hear live, 1463 01:24:13,570 --> 01:24:15,311 and he opened his mouth and just went... "Aah..." 1464 01:24:15,354 --> 01:24:18,270 Brian's provided that for me many times, 1465 01:24:18,357 --> 01:24:20,533 and not only has he provided that for me, 1466 01:24:20,577 --> 01:24:22,361 he must get that every day in concert. 1467 01:24:22,492 --> 01:24:24,363 I didn't know what to expect from Brian's show. 1468 01:24:24,494 --> 01:24:26,148 Trying to play "Pet Sounds" live, you know, 1469 01:24:26,278 --> 01:24:27,845 it's like, what could be harder, 1470 01:24:27,932 --> 01:24:29,368 but we could not believe it. 1471 01:24:34,373 --> 01:24:36,245 If somebody was making a bet with me, 1472 01:24:36,332 --> 01:24:37,898 I would have bet that they had tapes 1473 01:24:37,985 --> 01:24:40,118 rolling along with what they were doing, 1474 01:24:40,205 --> 01:24:42,599 but at the end of the day, they simply learned 1475 01:24:42,686 --> 01:24:45,080 how to sing and recreate that music live, 1476 01:24:45,167 --> 01:24:47,517 and it made me so happy 1477 01:24:47,604 --> 01:24:50,998 to see what he created honored in that way. 1478 01:24:51,042 --> 01:24:52,696 This has been taken seriously, 1479 01:24:52,783 --> 01:24:55,960 and everybody on that stage loves this guy 1480 01:24:56,091 --> 01:24:57,614 and loves this music. 1481 01:25:00,269 --> 01:25:02,880 - Yeah! 1482 01:25:08,494 --> 01:25:10,366 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen! 1483 01:25:10,453 --> 01:25:11,976 I think everyone has issues, you know, 1484 01:25:12,063 --> 01:25:13,412 whether it's mental health or anything else, 1485 01:25:13,499 --> 01:25:16,198 and the fact that Brian is vulnerable enough 1486 01:25:16,328 --> 01:25:17,721 and real enough... 1487 01:25:17,808 --> 01:25:18,504 Thank you very much. 1488 01:25:18,591 --> 01:25:20,854 ...to get up there and do this, 1489 01:25:20,985 --> 01:25:24,119 I think gives people a lot of strength. 1490 01:25:24,206 --> 01:25:26,077 I know it gives me a lot of strength. 1491 01:25:34,912 --> 01:25:36,348 I love him. 1492 01:25:36,435 --> 01:25:39,438 I think he's a beautiful, sweet guy. 1493 01:25:39,525 --> 01:25:42,702 There is a real innocence and optimism 1494 01:25:42,746 --> 01:25:46,097 and positivity and goodness, that's what's at his core. 1495 01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,463 The funny thing about those songs 1496 01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:08,989 is they're both more joyful and more painful now 1497 01:26:09,076 --> 01:26:13,951 because of the loss of your own youth, your own adolescence, 1498 01:26:13,994 --> 01:26:17,128 and yet at the same time, it does speak to your current life, 1499 01:26:17,215 --> 01:26:21,480 which is the hallmark of great and lasting music. 1500 01:26:25,615 --> 01:26:27,834 You know, it's like there's some secret code 1501 01:26:27,921 --> 01:26:30,489 that makes Brian's music resonate 1502 01:26:30,576 --> 01:26:33,231 the same as this feather or a piece of grass 1503 01:26:33,275 --> 01:26:35,712 or a leaf or air or water. 1504 01:26:35,799 --> 01:26:37,366 You know, there's something about it that we need. 1505 01:26:37,496 --> 01:26:39,150 You know, it's like you hear his music and you need it to live. 1506 01:26:39,281 --> 01:26:42,240 You know, it's like an essential element of your life. 1507 01:26:42,284 --> 01:26:43,850 I don't think there are words for it. 1508 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,130 There's very few people 1509 01:27:03,174 --> 01:27:06,612 that continue to make the kind of impact he's made, 1510 01:27:06,699 --> 01:27:08,397 and having gone through all he's gone through 1511 01:27:08,527 --> 01:27:10,964 and coming out the other side, it's really kind of incredible, 1512 01:27:11,095 --> 01:27:12,314 and, again, so rare. 1513 01:27:12,444 --> 01:27:15,186 I think there's a... misconception 1514 01:27:15,273 --> 01:27:17,319 of what real artists are, 1515 01:27:17,449 --> 01:27:20,322 and the ones that are watching the clock. 1516 01:27:20,452 --> 01:27:23,325 Those are the people that don't belong here. 1517 01:27:23,412 --> 01:27:25,762 It's the ones that just keep going. 1518 01:27:25,849 --> 01:27:30,070 It's Brian Wilson, that wants to still beat "God Only Knows." 1519 01:27:30,157 --> 01:27:31,942 I mean, can you imagine that? 1520 01:27:31,985 --> 01:27:36,338 ...two, a one, two, three, four... no! 1521 01:27:36,425 --> 01:27:39,341 Someone's coming in too soon. 1522 01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,655 I can remember almost word for word a quote 1523 01:27:49,786 --> 01:27:52,963 that, uh, Brian Wilson, more than anybody else, 1524 01:27:53,006 --> 01:27:55,574 has had a profound effect over American rock music 1525 01:27:55,661 --> 01:27:57,228 for the next 30 years. 1526 01:27:57,315 --> 01:27:59,578 You can hear it... your influence is everywhere, Brian. 1527 01:27:59,709 --> 01:28:04,017 I mean, do you feel that's a strong responsibility? 1528 01:28:04,104 --> 01:28:06,455 Yes, I do, sure, because, uh, 1529 01:28:06,542 --> 01:28:09,327 once you've established yourself as... 1530 01:28:09,414 --> 01:28:14,550 an artist, producer, somebody who has something to say, 1531 01:28:14,593 --> 01:28:17,553 it's, it's an artist's obligation. 1532 01:28:17,596 --> 01:28:20,469 It's constructive work, you know, it's work. 1533 01:28:20,556 --> 01:28:23,385 Any artist that you find has that feeling. 1534 01:28:23,515 --> 01:28:27,737 He feels the need to please, you know? 1535 01:28:27,824 --> 01:28:29,913 And it's a very personal thing, 1536 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,176 and it's something that comes with... it's natural, you know? 1537 01:28:32,263 --> 01:28:34,265 It's a natural thing. 1538 01:28:34,396 --> 01:28:37,007 When I hear his music, it makes me smile. 1539 01:28:37,094 --> 01:28:40,663 It makes me realize that there's a lot of songs still left in me. 1540 01:28:40,706 --> 01:28:42,229 There's still a lot of songs left in Brian. 1541 01:28:42,273 --> 01:28:44,449 He's always writing, he's always making music. 1542 01:28:44,493 --> 01:28:47,757 And, well, I have that love of him that will never ever die. 1543 01:29:28,885 --> 01:29:31,235 We're gonna go. Can you hear yourself all right? 1544 01:29:31,322 --> 01:29:33,106 Yeah. 1545 01:29:33,193 --> 01:29:35,848 DRUMMER, TAPPING: One, two.. one, two, three. 1546 01:31:35,098 --> 01:31:37,056 It's like Brian's music taps into that same source 1547 01:31:37,100 --> 01:31:40,886 that gospel music taps into, of that deep, fundamental... 1548 01:31:40,973 --> 01:31:43,541 sadness or darkness that we all carry. 1549 01:31:43,628 --> 01:31:46,631 It's like it finds you there and it takes you up out of it. 1550 01:31:46,675 --> 01:31:49,199 That was just innately in the music. 1551 01:31:49,242 --> 01:31:51,549 The harmonies, the sound of them, 1552 01:31:51,636 --> 01:31:55,031 offered a way out, and offered a transcendence. 1553 01:31:55,118 --> 01:31:58,251 You can put on all these songs, and it still stands up. 1554 01:31:58,382 --> 01:32:01,167 We're never gonna have Brian Wilson ever again. 1555 01:32:01,254 --> 01:32:03,996 He once told me that, uh, he used to pray 1556 01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:06,259 to make really spiritual music 1557 01:32:06,346 --> 01:32:09,088 and to make a better album than "Rubber Soul." 1558 01:32:13,789 --> 01:32:15,573 - Good one. - That's a good prayer. 1559 01:32:15,617 --> 01:32:17,706 It worked. 1560 01:32:17,793 --> 01:32:19,969 That should convert you. 1561 01:32:20,056 --> 01:32:23,059 Brian is a living example, through his suffering, 1562 01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:26,497 through his pain, he found a joy. 1563 01:32:26,584 --> 01:32:29,152 His music... is an act of love. 1564 01:32:43,079 --> 01:32:44,950 Good one! 1565 01:32:44,994 --> 01:32:46,256 I like it! 1566 01:32:46,299 --> 01:32:47,649 Beautiful. 1567 01:32:55,178 --> 01:32:57,397 Barbara. 1568 01:33:03,752 --> 01:33:05,144 Barba... fan. 1569 01:33:05,231 --> 01:33:07,799 Ba, ba, ba. 1570 01:33:07,886 --> 01:33:09,584 Yay...!