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[narrator] In Utah,
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[officer]
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a wanted ex con
kidnaps a baby.
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[gunshots]
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[police radio]
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[police radio]
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[narrator] He wants to trade
the baby's life
for his freedom.
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We had given him
every opportunity
to give up the baby
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and he wasn't
going to have it.
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I remember thinking,
how am I going to
save this baby?
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[police radio]
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[narrator]
On Utah's south western border
with Arizona,
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lies the city of St. George.
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It's surrounded
by the Mojave Desert.
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[Lefevre]
The city sits in a valley
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and it's a beautiful area
with a lot of red rock,
desert landscape,
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almost like, uh,
what you would envision
in a dream.
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almost like, uh,
what you would envision
in a dream.
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Something on a wallpaper
on a computer. Very stunning.
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[narrator] Police from
neighboring Washington City
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are following a car containing
ex-convict Oscar Alcantara.
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They have a warrant
for his arrest.
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[Willinger] The suspect
was known to us.
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He has had
previous convictions
for domestic violence
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He has had
previous convictions
for domestic violence
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as well as a previous incident
of holding a hostage
at gunpoint.
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[Ence] Law enforcement
had come into contact with him
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on, like, two or three
separate incidences
over the past week.
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And he had been able
to evade us.
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Washington City
Police Department
had received a tip
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that he was going to be
at this particular
apartment complex.
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So they were going to
try to apprehend him.
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[narrator] Officers can see
there's a young woman
in the car.
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[narrator] Officers can see
there's a young woman
in the car.
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She pulled over,
'cause she's like
what do you want me to do?
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You know, they're telling me
to pull over.
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She was absolutely hysterical.
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She was absolutely hysterical.
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She's yelling at the officers
that her child is in the car.
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[officer]
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Alcantara has taken
the baby boy
out of the car seat
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and is holding him on his lap.
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and is holding him on his lap.
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[Willinger]
I was the afternoon shift,
the swing shift
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and as we were
just starting our day,
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the call came out
over our radio
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that Washington City
was in pursuit of a vehicle.
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A gentleman had
kidnapped a child
and stolen the vehicle.
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I've never once heard
an actual, legitimate
kidnapping
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be broadcast over the radio,
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so this is something
that we need to take
very serious.
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We had a hostage, right?
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A child that was kidnapped.
It's priority number one.
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A child that was kidnapped.
It's priority number one.
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And so we were going to do
what was needed
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in order to rescue
and save that child.
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[officer]
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I was kind of brought
into negotiations a little bit
later on in my career.
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I was kind of brought
into negotiations a little bit
later on in my career.
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Um, I'd spent most of it
as an investigator
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where, you know,
you kind of develop
being able to talk to people.
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And that's one of the kind of
the skill sets
that's a requirement
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as a negotiator
is just being able
to communicate right.
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I went to my vehicle
to join the pursuit
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and then dispatch
patched through the suspect
to my phone.
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Immediately, I just
put the car back into park
and just sat there
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in the parking lot
of the police department.
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There was no way
to communicate with him.
He was literally just yelling.
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You know,
it's one of those things.
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If I can't say anything,
right? We can't get that
two way conversation going.
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[Ence]
Had there not been a baby
or somebody kidnapped,
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we know who he was,
we know where, essentially,
he lived.
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We would not have pursued.
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Um, we would have not
risked the lives of citizens
and law enforcement
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to pursue him.
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[Willinger] That child
is what changed it all.
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We were doing everything
we were doing for the child.
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We were doing everything
we were doing for the child.
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[officer]
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As the vehicles proceeded
on I-15,
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the suspect just accelerated
at a very, very quick pace.
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[Ence] The suspect had been
in the system.
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It wasn't like he was new
to how police respond
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and he knew
that by holding that baby
on his lap,
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that that would restrict
our abilities to stop him
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and he used that,
obviously, to his advantage.
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There are mechanisms in place
to stop pursuits or to end
pursuits sooner, right?
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You can spike the tires.
You can use what's known as
a pit maneuver.
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You can spike the tires.
You can use what's known as
a pit maneuver.
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But all of those things,
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you have to account
for the fact that there's
an innocent child
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and the vehicle could crash.
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Ultimately, it all hinged.
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He has to stop
or slow down drastically.
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That was the only way
that I could even see
a positive outcome.
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The suspect is the one
in control of the situation,
right?
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Uh, he holds all of the cards.
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[Willinger]
We lost sight of him.
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With him weaving
in and out of traffic,
we honestly lost sight.
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With him weaving
in and out of traffic,
we honestly lost sight.
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On that particular day,
um, I decided to run traffic
on, uh, Dixie Drive.
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Dixie Drive intersects
with I-15.
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I told myself, hey, you know,
I'll drive to an area
close to I-15
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just to be in that area.
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I just happened to be
in the right place
at the right time.
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Initially,
the whole discussion
with the negotiation
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was trying to get him
to release the baby.
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was trying to get him
to release the baby.
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And if he no longer
had the baby,
then obviously
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our response
to that type of a call
is going to change.
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[Trombley] People who
will drive like that
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will do whatever it takes
to try to get away.
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Which can be
one of the scariest,
scariest moments.
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Which can be
one of the scariest,
scariest moments.
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When he decided to go
to the left
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and he crossed
three lanes of travel,
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the only thing
that went through my mind is
they're going to collide
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and, you know,
with that type of speed,
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um, he's probably going to
kill himself, the kid,
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the vehicle that he hits,
whoever's driving that.
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We couldn't trust
that he was going to just
let the baby go,
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so we can't just
willfully stop following him
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in hopes that he's going to
safely let the child go
once we're out of sight,
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so our hands were tied.
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He didn't think
that I was listening to him.
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He didn't think
that I was listening to him.
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He didn't think that I was
taking him seriously.
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Which, of course, I was trying
to get him to understand
that I was.
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[gunshots]
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[police radio]
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And all of a sudden,
it was quiet.
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And I heard a couple of shots.
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And he came in...
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He said, that was...
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I'm serious.
I don't want to
shoot the baby.
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I see his hand reach out
the driver's side window,
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and then I look
at the end of his hand
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as it's starting to, um,
reach back towards me,
that it's a handgun.
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[gunshots]
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I'm trying to process
everything
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I'm trying to process
everything
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and then all of a sudden,
there's two shots fired.
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[gunshots]
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It was at that point
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I realized
this wasn't going to be
a typical negotiation
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'cause in his mindset,
he was prepared to die.
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[police radio]
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As Highway 91 continues west,
it gets smaller and smaller.
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It turns into a rural,
two lane old highway
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and then it goes right out
into the high desert
of Mohave County.
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He thought once he crossed
into Arizona, we were just
going to miraculously stop
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He thought once he crossed
into Arizona, we were just
going to miraculously stop
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and not continue on
but little did he know, right?
He took a child hostage,
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kidnapped a child
and that changes things
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where we are going to ensure
that child's safety.
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He actually listened.
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And that's when you know
that your negotiation
is going to go somewhere.
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And that's when you know
that your negotiation
is going to go somewhere.
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He'd made an agreement.
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And I was certain,
I was probably,
if someone had asked me,
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I would say 95% certain,
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that he had made up his mind
that he was going to
leave the baby.
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[Sgt. Willison] At the end
of this pursuit
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it was the furthest thing
from an ideal scenario.
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We are in Mohave County.
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We are in Mohave County.
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Um, several miles
into Arizona.
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But we are on the one side.
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There's traffic coming
up the opposing side
that we have no control over.
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[narrator] Arizona deputies
have joined
the chase,
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unaware that Alcantara
has agreed to stop.
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We had no way
of communicating.
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Our radios don't talk
to Mohave County.
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At one point, a Mohave County
sheriff's deputy
comes right up on him.
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And it's at that moment
where I'm thinking,
okay, holy cow.
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This is going to happen.
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He actually is going to
leave the child there
on the shoulder of the road
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and continue on.
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Somebody had gotten too close.
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And at that point,
the phone went dead.
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We've given him
every opportunity
to put the child down,
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to just leave the child alone
and continue on.
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We would leave him alone
but that wasn't happening.
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Honestly,
it was very stressful.
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We needed to control
the situation.
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I hear on the radio
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he's running
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and I can't do anything
about it.
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I was so close.
It was so close.
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And it just
got out of my hand.
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And I couldn't get it back.
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[narrator] Alcantara
appears to be heading
towards houses
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on the edge of the desert.
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Would he break into a home?
Would he take
other people hostage?
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Would the situation just grow?
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That was something
that we couldn't let happen.
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We made a plan that we were
going to get people
in strategic positions
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We made a plan that we were
going to get people
in strategic positions
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to kind of contain him
and the baby.
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[police radio]
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He went straight out
into the open desert.
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He went straight out
into the open desert.
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He never once
does not have the child
between us and him.
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Never. It was a human shield,
right?
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It was protection for him.
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I knew that Officer Thompson
was a sniper on our SWAT team
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and I asked him to deploy.
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So he went
and positioned himself
on top of a truck
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in an attempt
to kill the suspect.
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To end the situation
if it came to that.
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But then on the other side,
it's like, well,
what if he stands up
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and he has empty hands.
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We're going to go
and we're going to arrest him.
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When he fired that first shot,
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we couldn't see
the suspect and the child.
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So we had no idea
if it was successful.
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I'm thinking
is the child all right?
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Was the shot successful?
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Was it a shot
that didn't harm the child
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and do we have a suspect
that was down?
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[Willinger] The handgun
was pointed directly at us,
at the line.
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To me, that signaled
that we were
beginning to push him
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to where he was
starting to feel our presence
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because he had
really just been
threatening the child
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and had shot towards us
during the pursuit
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but now he was pointing
his gun at us.
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but now he was pointing
his gun at us.
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I saw that need
and I said, "All right."
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I saw that need
and I said, "All right."
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I'll step up,
I'll start talking to him.
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I mean, I don't have training
and experience
with crisis negotiations.
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Um, so it was a little awkward
at first.
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You give me a task
and I want to
complete that task.
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And so now my intention
is to get him to surrender.
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[Willinger] Is he going to
shoot one of us?
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Is he going to shoot
this child?
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Those are all things
that were going
through our minds.
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[police radio]
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Our visibility
was very, very limited.
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So the drone was used
to give a better overview
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So the drone was used
to give a better overview
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of what was
actually happening.
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[officer]
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I just wanted to, like,
just grab him
and just shake him
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and be like,
"Dude, just listen to me."
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Um, but it was frustrating.
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And it felt like
the longer we kind of
were in a stalemate,
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the greater the chance
the child was going to be
harmed.
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[Willinger] The plan
was put into place
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to get Officer Lefevre
into position,
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our second sniper
on scene, there, to end it.
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our second sniper
on scene, there, to end it.
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To end the chaos.
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[Lefevre] Some of the things
that you have to consider
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when you're a sniper
on the SWAT team
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is that you're going to
have to make lethal choices.
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is that you're going to
have to make lethal choices.
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and you're going to have to
take someone's life
to save someone's life.
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And that's something
that I realized
a long time ago.
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Something that I was
willing to do.
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In the sniper realm,
this is a really difficult
shot to make,
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because the ultimate liability
is killing
an innocent subject,
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especially unintentionally,
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especially unintentionally,
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and I remember
feeling that way.
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Thinking, okay.
You've only got
one shot at this.
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I remember seeing
Mr. Alcantara.
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I remember seeing
this innocent baby.
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And all I could see
were their heads,
essentially.
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And I remember thinking,
wow, this is someone's child
just like I have a child.
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And I remember thinking,
wow, this is someone's child
just like I have a child.
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How am I going to
save this baby?
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I needed Officer Lefevre
to be able to move in
as undetected as possible.
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And Officer Ott was encouraged
to just engage in conversation
to buy that distraction.
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And Officer Ott was encouraged
to just engage in conversation
to buy that distraction.
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I understand that we're trying
to get a sniper into position,
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but it's my job to get him
to surrender before we even
have to take a shot.
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In that moment, it was like,
yes, yes, this is it.
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He's going to either
let the baby go,
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or he's going to
put the baby down
and walk up to me.
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It just kept prolonging,
prolonging, prolonging.
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[Lefevre]
There's always the possibility
of a peaceful outcome
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and generally,
that's what happens.
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They see that they've
put themselves in a corner
that they can't get out of
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and for the most part,
people do give up.
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And during that time,
I was thinking,
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well, we're running
out of time
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but how much time
do we give him to give up?
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I remember looking
through the scope.
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Um, you could see, you know,
the anxiety on his face
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and it looked and appeared
as though he was
never going to give up.
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And I had made a decision
that if I got into a position
where I could take a shot,
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I was going to take that shot.
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[Ott]
Seth is a very good friend
of mine.
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I know that that's what
he has to do.
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I know that that's what
he has to do.
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And honestly, I don't wish
that upon anybody.
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I wanted to do
everything I could
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to prevent Seth
from being put
into that incident
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where he has to live with that
the rest of his life.
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And then knowing that the baby
also needed to be saved
as well.
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So I was very vested
in trying to get him
to surrender.
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There were very many times
I thought that okay,
now I have a shot.
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But the human body
moves all the time.
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And then it wasn't the time
because then it would have
shot the baby.
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And that was a very difficult
feeling for me.
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And I kind of wondered,
am I ever going to be able
to do this?
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And I kind of wondered,
am I ever going to be able
to do this?
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Um, am I going to be able to
make sure that this baby
goes home to its mother.
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Mr. Alcantara stopped moving.
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It was just a split second,
but it was enough for me
to be able to take that shot.
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Even though it was inches away
from the baby's head.
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What I remember seeing was
Mr. Alcantara and the baby
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just, uh, falling backwards
in a violent manner.
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just, uh, falling backwards
in a violent manner.
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And I couldn't see
anything else.
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[Willinger]
It was an experience
that I'll never forget,
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because I didn't know
if that child was safe
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and ultimately,
what we were doing,
we were doing for the child.
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[Lefevre]
When I fired the shot,
I was very confident
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all the way up until
when the rescue team
went to go pick up the baby.
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all the way up until
when the rescue team
went to go pick up the baby.
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I immediately felt
nauseated and horrified
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thinking, you know,
did I just shoot that baby?
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[Willinger]
When I scooped the child up
from underneath the suspect,
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it was just total validation.
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That everything we had done
worked and that he was safe.
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From the time that the suspect
took the child
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till law enforcement
picked the child up
after the suspect was killed,
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was one hour and 17 minutes,
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which was an eternity
for that mother.
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which was an eternity
for that mother.
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I can only imagine what
she must have been feeling.
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[narrator] Oscar Alcantara
had a lengthy and violent
criminal history
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including a previous
conviction for kidnapping.
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An investigation clears
Officer Lefevre
of any wrongdoing
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for firing the fatal shot.
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[Lefevre]
I remember going home,
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using tweezers and just
pulling out cactus quills
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using tweezers and just
pulling out cactus quills
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out of my body in the shower,
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and it seemed like
at that moment, I was able
just to kind of relax
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and to be able to
think about the magnitude
of the situation.
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Thinking, wow,
I just took a life
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but also, I took a life
but I saved a life
by doing that.
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And, um, that responsibility
sometimes falls heavy
on your shoulders.
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It felt like
I had just failed my mission.
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I wasn't able to get
Oscar to surrender.
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And I was really invested
in this, almost too much.
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And I was really invested
in this, almost too much.
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And so it was hard. Very hard.
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[narrator] Officer Ott
had the opportunity
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to meet the baby
whose life he helped save.
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I remember just
giving him stickers,
giving him coloring books.
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Letting him play
with my police dog.
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Like, just trying to bring joy
to this kid
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and then also
being able to see
that he's not harmed,
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so it was really good
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and kind of actually brought
some closure to everything
that had happened.