1 00:00:08,367 --> 00:00:09,700 [narrator] In Utah, 2 00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:11,900 [officer] 3 00:00:14,533 --> 00:00:18,367 a wanted ex con kidnaps a baby. 4 00:00:23,266 --> 00:00:24,433 [gunshots] 5 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:30,000 [police radio] 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,533 [police radio] 7 00:00:33,066 --> 00:00:37,533 [narrator] He wants to trade the baby's life for his freedom. 8 00:00:39,867 --> 00:00:43,100 We had given him every opportunity to give up the baby 9 00:00:43,100 --> 00:00:45,233 and he wasn't going to have it. 10 00:00:46,700 --> 00:00:50,266 I remember thinking, how am I going to save this baby? 11 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,734 [police radio] 12 00:01:08,700 --> 00:01:12,266 [narrator] On Utah's south western border with Arizona, 13 00:01:12,266 --> 00:01:14,700 lies the city of St. George. 14 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:17,533 It's surrounded by the Mojave Desert. 15 00:01:22,967 --> 00:01:24,700 [Lefevre] The city sits in a valley 16 00:01:24,700 --> 00:01:29,634 and it's a beautiful area with a lot of red rock, desert landscape, 17 00:01:29,634 --> 00:01:30,000 almost like, uh, what you would envision in a dream. 18 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,100 almost like, uh, what you would envision in a dream. 19 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:34,533 Something on a wallpaper on a computer. Very stunning. 20 00:01:42,467 --> 00:01:45,000 [narrator] Police from neighboring Washington City 21 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,600 are following a car containing ex-convict Oscar Alcantara. 22 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,533 They have a warrant for his arrest. 23 00:01:55,634 --> 00:01:57,600 [Willinger] The suspect was known to us. 24 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,000 He has had previous convictions for domestic violence 25 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,166 He has had previous convictions for domestic violence 26 00:02:02,166 --> 00:02:05,533 as well as a previous incident of holding a hostage at gunpoint. 27 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,367 [Ence] Law enforcement had come into contact with him 28 00:02:08,367 --> 00:02:11,266 on, like, two or three separate incidences over the past week. 29 00:02:11,266 --> 00:02:14,500 And he had been able to evade us. 30 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:17,600 Washington City Police Department had received a tip 31 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,266 that he was going to be at this particular apartment complex. 32 00:02:21,266 --> 00:02:24,333 So they were going to try to apprehend him. 33 00:02:27,533 --> 00:02:30,000 [narrator] Officers can see there's a young woman in the car. 34 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,100 [narrator] Officers can see there's a young woman in the car. 35 00:02:33,266 --> 00:02:36,100 She pulled over, 'cause she's like what do you want me to do? 36 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:38,333 You know, they're telling me to pull over. 37 00:02:56,867 --> 00:03:00,000 She was absolutely hysterical. 38 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:00,700 She was absolutely hysterical. 39 00:03:00,700 --> 00:03:03,533 She's yelling at the officers that her child is in the car. 40 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:07,634 [officer] 41 00:03:54,467 --> 00:03:58,266 Alcantara has taken the baby boy out of the car seat 42 00:03:58,266 --> 00:04:00,000 and is holding him on his lap. 43 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:00,166 and is holding him on his lap. 44 00:04:12,734 --> 00:04:15,700 [Willinger] I was the afternoon shift, the swing shift 45 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:18,533 and as we were just starting our day, 46 00:04:18,533 --> 00:04:21,100 the call came out over our radio 47 00:04:21,100 --> 00:04:25,367 that Washington City was in pursuit of a vehicle. 48 00:04:25,367 --> 00:04:28,900 A gentleman had kidnapped a child and stolen the vehicle. 49 00:04:30,166 --> 00:04:34,367 I've never once heard an actual, legitimate kidnapping 50 00:04:34,367 --> 00:04:36,500 be broadcast over the radio, 51 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:40,066 so this is something that we need to take very serious. 52 00:04:57,166 --> 00:04:58,867 We had a hostage, right? 53 00:04:58,867 --> 00:05:00,000 A child that was kidnapped. It's priority number one. 54 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,867 A child that was kidnapped. It's priority number one. 55 00:05:01,867 --> 00:05:05,000 And so we were going to do what was needed 56 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,367 in order to rescue and save that child. 57 00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:15,533 [officer] 58 00:05:58,266 --> 00:06:00,000 I was kind of brought into negotiations a little bit later on in my career. 59 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,500 I was kind of brought into negotiations a little bit later on in my career. 60 00:06:01,500 --> 00:06:04,166 Um, I'd spent most of it as an investigator 61 00:06:04,166 --> 00:06:07,734 where, you know, you kind of develop being able to talk to people. 62 00:06:07,734 --> 00:06:10,266 And that's one of the kind of the skill sets that's a requirement 63 00:06:10,266 --> 00:06:12,734 as a negotiator is just being able to communicate right. 64 00:06:17,367 --> 00:06:21,634 I went to my vehicle to join the pursuit 65 00:06:21,634 --> 00:06:25,333 and then dispatch patched through the suspect to my phone. 66 00:06:40,266 --> 00:06:43,700 Immediately, I just put the car back into park and just sat there 67 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:45,333 in the parking lot of the police department. 68 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:10,600 There was no way to communicate with him. He was literally just yelling. 69 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,100 You know, it's one of those things. 70 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:17,433 If I can't say anything, right? We can't get that two way conversation going. 71 00:07:35,166 --> 00:07:40,867 [Ence] Had there not been a baby or somebody kidnapped, 72 00:07:40,867 --> 00:07:43,967 we know who he was, we know where, essentially, he lived. 73 00:07:43,967 --> 00:07:45,634 We would not have pursued. 74 00:07:45,634 --> 00:07:50,166 Um, we would have not risked the lives of citizens and law enforcement 75 00:07:50,166 --> 00:07:51,100 to pursue him. 76 00:07:54,734 --> 00:07:56,600 [Willinger] That child is what changed it all. 77 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,000 We were doing everything we were doing for the child. 78 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:00,634 We were doing everything we were doing for the child. 79 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,734 [officer] 80 00:08:15,467 --> 00:08:18,467 As the vehicles proceeded on I-15, 81 00:08:18,467 --> 00:08:23,634 the suspect just accelerated at a very, very quick pace. 82 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:38,867 [Ence] The suspect had been in the system. 83 00:08:38,867 --> 00:08:42,700 It wasn't like he was new to how police respond 84 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:46,166 and he knew that by holding that baby on his lap, 85 00:08:46,166 --> 00:08:49,734 that that would restrict our abilities to stop him 86 00:08:49,734 --> 00:08:52,867 and he used that, obviously, to his advantage. 87 00:08:52,867 --> 00:08:58,100 There are mechanisms in place to stop pursuits or to end pursuits sooner, right? 88 00:08:58,100 --> 00:09:00,000 You can spike the tires. You can use what's known as a pit maneuver. 89 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,166 You can spike the tires. You can use what's known as a pit maneuver. 90 00:09:03,166 --> 00:09:04,600 But all of those things, 91 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,266 you have to account for the fact that there's an innocent child 92 00:09:07,266 --> 00:09:09,634 and the vehicle could crash. 93 00:09:10,867 --> 00:09:13,500 Ultimately, it all hinged. 94 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:16,266 He has to stop or slow down drastically. 95 00:09:16,266 --> 00:09:20,367 That was the only way that I could even see a positive outcome. 96 00:09:20,367 --> 00:09:24,600 The suspect is the one in control of the situation, right? 97 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,900 Uh, he holds all of the cards. 98 00:09:28,166 --> 00:09:30,000 [officer] 99 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,800 [officer] 100 00:09:56,367 --> 00:09:58,600 [Willinger] We lost sight of him. 101 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,000 With him weaving in and out of traffic, we honestly lost sight. 102 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,700 With him weaving in and out of traffic, we honestly lost sight. 103 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:10,634 On that particular day, um, I decided to run traffic on, uh, Dixie Drive. 104 00:10:10,634 --> 00:10:15,000 Dixie Drive intersects with I-15. 105 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,100 I told myself, hey, you know, I'll drive to an area close to I-15 106 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:22,066 just to be in that area. 107 00:10:23,467 --> 00:10:27,634 I just happened to be in the right place at the right time. 108 00:10:56,100 --> 00:10:59,266 Initially, the whole discussion with the negotiation 109 00:10:59,266 --> 00:11:00,000 was trying to get him to release the baby. 110 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,367 was trying to get him to release the baby. 111 00:11:02,367 --> 00:11:07,867 And if he no longer had the baby, then obviously 112 00:11:07,867 --> 00:11:11,367 our response to that type of a call is going to change. 113 00:11:43,634 --> 00:11:45,900 [Trombley] People who will drive like that 114 00:11:45,900 --> 00:11:48,533 will do whatever it takes to try to get away. 115 00:11:48,533 --> 00:11:53,082 Which can be one of the scariest, scariest moments. 116 00:11:53,082 --> 00:11:53,166 Which can be one of the scariest, scariest moments. 117 00:11:53,166 --> 00:11:56,166 When he decided to go to the left 118 00:11:56,166 --> 00:11:58,734 and he crossed three lanes of travel, 119 00:11:58,734 --> 00:12:02,166 the only thing that went through my mind is they're going to collide 120 00:12:02,166 --> 00:12:05,900 and, you know, with that type of speed, 121 00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:09,900 um, he's probably going to kill himself, the kid, 122 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:13,333 the vehicle that he hits, whoever's driving that. 123 00:12:25,266 --> 00:12:29,100 We couldn't trust that he was going to just let the baby go, 124 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:32,367 so we can't just willfully stop following him 125 00:12:32,367 --> 00:12:37,100 in hopes that he's going to safely let the child go once we're out of sight, 126 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:39,433 so our hands were tied. 127 00:12:51,166 --> 00:12:53,082 He didn't think that I was listening to him. 128 00:12:53,082 --> 00:12:54,000 He didn't think that I was listening to him. 129 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,266 He didn't think that I was taking him seriously. 130 00:12:56,266 --> 00:13:00,533 Which, of course, I was trying to get him to understand that I was. 131 00:13:30,734 --> 00:13:31,734 [gunshots] 132 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:35,734 [police radio] 133 00:13:40,467 --> 00:13:42,100 And all of a sudden, it was quiet. 134 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:45,000 And I heard a couple of shots. 135 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,166 And he came in... 136 00:14:14,166 --> 00:14:17,467 He said, that was... 137 00:14:17,467 --> 00:14:19,634 I'm serious. I don't want to shoot the baby. 138 00:14:38,266 --> 00:14:41,533 I see his hand reach out the driver's side window, 139 00:14:41,533 --> 00:14:43,467 and then I look at the end of his hand 140 00:14:43,467 --> 00:14:49,734 as it's starting to, um, reach back towards me, that it's a handgun. 141 00:14:49,734 --> 00:14:51,900 [gunshots] 142 00:14:52,533 --> 00:14:53,082 I'm trying to process everything 143 00:14:53,082 --> 00:14:54,100 I'm trying to process everything 144 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:57,100 and then all of a sudden, there's two shots fired. 145 00:14:57,100 --> 00:14:59,066 [gunshots] 146 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,533 It was at that point 147 00:15:02,533 --> 00:15:07,867 I realized this wasn't going to be a typical negotiation 148 00:15:07,867 --> 00:15:10,166 'cause in his mindset, he was prepared to die. 149 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,900 [police radio] 150 00:17:00,166 --> 00:17:05,100 As Highway 91 continues west, it gets smaller and smaller. 151 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:09,467 It turns into a rural, two lane old highway 152 00:17:09,467 --> 00:17:13,533 and then it goes right out into the high desert of Mohave County. 153 00:17:57,867 --> 00:18:01,083 He thought once he crossed into Arizona, we were just going to miraculously stop 154 00:18:01,083 --> 00:18:02,867 He thought once he crossed into Arizona, we were just going to miraculously stop 155 00:18:02,867 --> 00:18:07,367 and not continue on but little did he know, right? He took a child hostage, 156 00:18:07,367 --> 00:18:09,266 kidnapped a child and that changes things 157 00:18:09,266 --> 00:18:12,533 where we are going to ensure that child's safety. 158 00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:28,266 He actually listened. 159 00:19:28,266 --> 00:19:31,083 And that's when you know that your negotiation is going to go somewhere. 160 00:19:31,083 --> 00:19:31,900 And that's when you know that your negotiation is going to go somewhere. 161 00:19:51,266 --> 00:19:52,500 He'd made an agreement. 162 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:55,266 And I was certain, I was probably, if someone had asked me, 163 00:19:55,266 --> 00:19:57,166 I would say 95% certain, 164 00:19:57,166 --> 00:20:00,533 that he had made up his mind that he was going to leave the baby. 165 00:20:25,367 --> 00:20:27,266 [Sgt. Willison] At the end of this pursuit 166 00:20:27,266 --> 00:20:31,066 it was the furthest thing from an ideal scenario. 167 00:20:31,066 --> 00:20:31,083 We are in Mohave County. 168 00:20:31,083 --> 00:20:33,367 We are in Mohave County. 169 00:20:33,367 --> 00:20:36,500 Um, several miles into Arizona. 170 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:38,533 But we are on the one side. 171 00:20:38,533 --> 00:20:44,967 There's traffic coming up the opposing side that we have no control over. 172 00:20:44,967 --> 00:20:47,700 [narrator] Arizona deputies have joined the chase, 173 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:51,634 unaware that Alcantara has agreed to stop. 174 00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:54,467 We had no way of communicating. 175 00:20:54,467 --> 00:20:57,000 Our radios don't talk to Mohave County. 176 00:21:23,367 --> 00:21:27,634 At one point, a Mohave County sheriff's deputy comes right up on him. 177 00:22:13,066 --> 00:22:16,367 And it's at that moment where I'm thinking, okay, holy cow. 178 00:22:16,367 --> 00:22:17,967 This is going to happen. 179 00:22:17,967 --> 00:22:22,500 He actually is going to leave the child there on the shoulder of the road 180 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:23,800 and continue on. 181 00:23:02,867 --> 00:23:05,734 Somebody had gotten too close. 182 00:23:05,734 --> 00:23:09,000 And at that point, the phone went dead. 183 00:23:39,166 --> 00:23:42,867 We've given him every opportunity to put the child down, 184 00:23:42,867 --> 00:23:45,734 to just leave the child alone and continue on. 185 00:23:45,734 --> 00:23:48,734 We would leave him alone but that wasn't happening. 186 00:23:48,734 --> 00:23:51,634 Honestly, it was very stressful. 187 00:23:51,634 --> 00:23:54,433 We needed to control the situation. 188 00:24:04,367 --> 00:24:06,433 I hear on the radio 189 00:24:07,533 --> 00:24:08,533 he's running 190 00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:12,533 and I can't do anything about it. 191 00:24:12,533 --> 00:24:14,734 I was so close. It was so close. 192 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,367 And it just got out of my hand. 193 00:24:20,367 --> 00:24:23,000 And I couldn't get it back. 194 00:24:37,734 --> 00:24:39,433 [police radio] 195 00:24:41,734 --> 00:24:44,634 [narrator] Alcantara appears to be heading towards houses 196 00:24:44,634 --> 00:24:46,433 on the edge of the desert. 197 00:24:48,166 --> 00:24:52,000 Would he break into a home? Would he take other people hostage? 198 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,600 Would the situation just grow? 199 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,166 That was something that we couldn't let happen. 200 00:24:56,166 --> 00:24:58,266 We made a plan that we were going to get people in strategic positions 201 00:24:58,266 --> 00:25:00,900 We made a plan that we were going to get people in strategic positions 202 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:04,533 to kind of contain him and the baby. 203 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:09,433 [police radio] 204 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:28,266 He went straight out into the open desert. 205 00:25:28,266 --> 00:25:28,634 He went straight out into the open desert. 206 00:25:35,266 --> 00:25:40,166 He never once does not have the child between us and him. 207 00:25:40,166 --> 00:25:43,100 Never. It was a human shield, right? 208 00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:44,800 It was protection for him. 209 00:26:05,266 --> 00:26:09,600 I knew that Officer Thompson was a sniper on our SWAT team 210 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,467 and I asked him to deploy. 211 00:26:11,467 --> 00:26:15,266 So he went and positioned himself on top of a truck 212 00:26:15,266 --> 00:26:17,600 in an attempt to kill the suspect. 213 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,467 To end the situation if it came to that. 214 00:26:20,467 --> 00:26:23,700 But then on the other side, it's like, well, what if he stands up 215 00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:25,467 and he has empty hands. 216 00:26:25,467 --> 00:26:27,433 We're going to go and we're going to arrest him. 217 00:26:35,467 --> 00:26:37,533 [police radio] 218 00:27:08,734 --> 00:27:11,100 When he fired that first shot, 219 00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:13,900 we couldn't see the suspect and the child. 220 00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:17,233 So we had no idea if it was successful. 221 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,166 I'm thinking is the child all right? 222 00:27:40,166 --> 00:27:41,734 Was the shot successful? 223 00:27:41,734 --> 00:27:44,467 Was it a shot that didn't harm the child 224 00:27:44,467 --> 00:27:46,233 and do we have a suspect that was down? 225 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,367 [Willinger] The handgun was pointed directly at us, at the line. 226 00:28:42,367 --> 00:28:45,634 To me, that signaled that we were beginning to push him 227 00:28:45,634 --> 00:28:49,467 to where he was starting to feel our presence 228 00:28:49,467 --> 00:28:53,367 because he had really just been threatening the child 229 00:28:53,367 --> 00:28:55,634 and had shot towards us during the pursuit 230 00:28:55,634 --> 00:28:58,266 but now he was pointing his gun at us. 231 00:28:58,266 --> 00:28:58,734 but now he was pointing his gun at us. 232 00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:28,266 I saw that need and I said, "All right." 233 00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:28,467 I saw that need and I said, "All right." 234 00:29:28,467 --> 00:29:30,000 I'll step up, I'll start talking to him. 235 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,867 I mean, I don't have training and experience with crisis negotiations. 236 00:29:33,867 --> 00:29:36,533 Um, so it was a little awkward at first. 237 00:29:36,533 --> 00:29:41,000 You give me a task and I want to complete that task. 238 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,734 And so now my intention is to get him to surrender. 239 00:30:01,166 --> 00:30:02,867 [Willinger] Is he going to shoot one of us? 240 00:30:02,867 --> 00:30:04,734 Is he going to shoot this child? 241 00:30:04,734 --> 00:30:07,066 Those are all things that were going through our minds. 242 00:30:20,367 --> 00:30:22,967 [police radio] 243 00:30:24,634 --> 00:30:26,867 Our visibility was very, very limited. 244 00:30:26,867 --> 00:30:28,266 So the drone was used to give a better overview 245 00:30:28,266 --> 00:30:30,367 So the drone was used to give a better overview 246 00:30:30,367 --> 00:30:32,333 of what was actually happening. 247 00:30:37,367 --> 00:30:39,800 [officer] 248 00:30:59,634 --> 00:31:02,734 I just wanted to, like, just grab him and just shake him 249 00:31:02,734 --> 00:31:04,867 and be like, "Dude, just listen to me." 250 00:31:04,867 --> 00:31:07,100 Um, but it was frustrating. 251 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:11,734 And it felt like the longer we kind of were in a stalemate, 252 00:31:11,734 --> 00:31:14,900 the greater the chance the child was going to be harmed. 253 00:31:21,734 --> 00:31:22,900 [Willinger] The plan was put into place 254 00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:26,634 to get Officer Lefevre into position, 255 00:31:26,634 --> 00:31:28,266 our second sniper on scene, there, to end it. 256 00:31:28,266 --> 00:31:30,367 our second sniper on scene, there, to end it. 257 00:31:30,367 --> 00:31:31,900 To end the chaos. 258 00:31:52,467 --> 00:31:54,367 [Lefevre] Some of the things that you have to consider 259 00:31:54,367 --> 00:31:56,367 when you're a sniper on the SWAT team 260 00:31:56,367 --> 00:31:58,266 is that you're going to have to make lethal choices. 261 00:31:58,266 --> 00:32:00,166 is that you're going to have to make lethal choices. 262 00:32:00,166 --> 00:32:03,266 and you're going to have to take someone's life to save someone's life. 263 00:32:03,266 --> 00:32:05,900 And that's something that I realized a long time ago. 264 00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,533 Something that I was willing to do. 265 00:32:20,634 --> 00:32:24,000 In the sniper realm, this is a really difficult shot to make, 266 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,867 because the ultimate liability is killing an innocent subject, 267 00:32:27,867 --> 00:32:28,266 especially unintentionally, 268 00:32:28,266 --> 00:32:29,266 especially unintentionally, 269 00:32:29,266 --> 00:32:32,367 and I remember feeling that way. 270 00:32:32,367 --> 00:32:35,066 Thinking, okay. You've only got one shot at this. 271 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,100 I remember seeing Mr. Alcantara. 272 00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:50,800 I remember seeing this innocent baby. 273 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,467 And all I could see were their heads, essentially. 274 00:32:53,467 --> 00:32:58,266 And I remember thinking, wow, this is someone's child just like I have a child. 275 00:32:58,266 --> 00:32:59,266 And I remember thinking, wow, this is someone's child just like I have a child. 276 00:32:59,266 --> 00:33:01,634 How am I going to save this baby? 277 00:33:25,634 --> 00:33:31,500 I needed Officer Lefevre to be able to move in as undetected as possible. 278 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:35,583 And Officer Ott was encouraged to just engage in conversation to buy that distraction. 279 00:33:35,583 --> 00:33:38,266 And Officer Ott was encouraged to just engage in conversation to buy that distraction. 280 00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:41,000 I understand that we're trying to get a sniper into position, 281 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,734 but it's my job to get him to surrender before we even have to take a shot. 282 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:10,734 In that moment, it was like, yes, yes, this is it. 283 00:34:10,734 --> 00:34:13,867 He's going to either let the baby go, 284 00:34:13,867 --> 00:34:16,333 or he's going to put the baby down and walk up to me. 285 00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:40,967 It just kept prolonging, prolonging, prolonging. 286 00:34:40,967 --> 00:34:44,266 [Lefevre] There's always the possibility of a peaceful outcome 287 00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:46,600 and generally, that's what happens. 288 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,000 They see that they've put themselves in a corner that they can't get out of 289 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,600 and for the most part, people do give up. 290 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,867 And during that time, I was thinking, 291 00:34:57,867 --> 00:35:00,066 well, we're running out of time 292 00:35:00,066 --> 00:35:02,367 but how much time do we give him to give up? 293 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,734 I remember looking through the scope. 294 00:35:44,734 --> 00:35:49,266 Um, you could see, you know, the anxiety on his face 295 00:35:49,266 --> 00:35:53,166 and it looked and appeared as though he was never going to give up. 296 00:35:53,166 --> 00:35:59,000 And I had made a decision that if I got into a position where I could take a shot, 297 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,533 I was going to take that shot. 298 00:36:01,533 --> 00:36:03,734 [Ott] Seth is a very good friend of mine. 299 00:36:03,734 --> 00:36:05,583 I know that that's what he has to do. 300 00:36:05,583 --> 00:36:06,600 I know that that's what he has to do. 301 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,000 And honestly, I don't wish that upon anybody. 302 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,467 I wanted to do everything I could 303 00:36:11,467 --> 00:36:15,166 to prevent Seth from being put into that incident 304 00:36:15,166 --> 00:36:17,734 where he has to live with that the rest of his life. 305 00:36:17,734 --> 00:36:21,867 And then knowing that the baby also needed to be saved as well. 306 00:36:21,867 --> 00:36:25,900 So I was very vested in trying to get him to surrender. 307 00:37:21,867 --> 00:37:26,000 There were very many times I thought that okay, now I have a shot. 308 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,500 But the human body moves all the time. 309 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:32,066 And then it wasn't the time because then it would have shot the baby. 310 00:37:32,066 --> 00:37:34,000 And that was a very difficult feeling for me. 311 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,583 And I kind of wondered, am I ever going to be able to do this? 312 00:37:35,583 --> 00:37:36,967 And I kind of wondered, am I ever going to be able to do this? 313 00:37:36,967 --> 00:37:42,800 Um, am I going to be able to make sure that this baby goes home to its mother. 314 00:38:19,266 --> 00:38:22,967 Mr. Alcantara stopped moving. 315 00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:27,367 It was just a split second, but it was enough for me to be able to take that shot. 316 00:38:27,367 --> 00:38:29,266 Even though it was inches away from the baby's head. 317 00:38:31,467 --> 00:38:35,500 What I remember seeing was Mr. Alcantara and the baby 318 00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:35,583 just, uh, falling backwards in a violent manner. 319 00:38:35,583 --> 00:38:39,266 just, uh, falling backwards in a violent manner. 320 00:38:39,266 --> 00:38:41,634 And I couldn't see anything else. 321 00:38:51,266 --> 00:38:54,066 [Willinger] It was an experience that I'll never forget, 322 00:38:54,066 --> 00:38:58,967 because I didn't know if that child was safe 323 00:38:58,967 --> 00:39:03,900 and ultimately, what we were doing, we were doing for the child. 324 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,734 [Lefevre] When I fired the shot, I was very confident 325 00:39:31,734 --> 00:39:35,583 all the way up until when the rescue team went to go pick up the baby. 326 00:39:35,583 --> 00:39:35,734 all the way up until when the rescue team went to go pick up the baby. 327 00:39:35,734 --> 00:39:42,066 I immediately felt nauseated and horrified 328 00:39:42,066 --> 00:39:44,166 thinking, you know, did I just shoot that baby? 329 00:40:12,533 --> 00:40:15,500 [Willinger] When I scooped the child up from underneath the suspect, 330 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:20,000 it was just total validation. 331 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,100 That everything we had done worked and that he was safe. 332 00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,367 From the time that the suspect took the child 333 00:40:27,367 --> 00:40:32,266 till law enforcement picked the child up after the suspect was killed, 334 00:40:32,266 --> 00:40:34,734 was one hour and 17 minutes, 335 00:40:34,734 --> 00:40:35,583 which was an eternity for that mother. 336 00:40:35,583 --> 00:40:38,367 which was an eternity for that mother. 337 00:40:38,367 --> 00:40:40,800 I can only imagine what she must have been feeling. 338 00:40:43,734 --> 00:40:48,066 [narrator] Oscar Alcantara had a lengthy and violent criminal history 339 00:40:48,066 --> 00:40:51,000 including a previous conviction for kidnapping. 340 00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:57,100 An investigation clears Officer Lefevre of any wrongdoing 341 00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,800 for firing the fatal shot. 342 00:41:00,467 --> 00:41:03,066 [Lefevre] I remember going home, 343 00:41:03,066 --> 00:41:05,583 using tweezers and just pulling out cactus quills 344 00:41:05,583 --> 00:41:06,066 using tweezers and just pulling out cactus quills 345 00:41:06,066 --> 00:41:07,634 out of my body in the shower, 346 00:41:07,634 --> 00:41:11,467 and it seemed like at that moment, I was able just to kind of relax 347 00:41:11,467 --> 00:41:15,634 and to be able to think about the magnitude of the situation. 348 00:41:15,634 --> 00:41:17,634 Thinking, wow, I just took a life 349 00:41:17,634 --> 00:41:20,600 but also, I took a life but I saved a life by doing that. 350 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,900 And, um, that responsibility sometimes falls heavy on your shoulders. 351 00:41:28,266 --> 00:41:29,967 It felt like I had just failed my mission. 352 00:41:29,967 --> 00:41:32,066 I wasn't able to get Oscar to surrender. 353 00:41:32,066 --> 00:41:35,583 And I was really invested in this, almost too much. 354 00:41:35,583 --> 00:41:35,734 And I was really invested in this, almost too much. 355 00:41:36,367 --> 00:41:38,634 And so it was hard. Very hard. 356 00:41:40,867 --> 00:41:43,000 [narrator] Officer Ott had the opportunity 357 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,600 to meet the baby whose life he helped save. 358 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,734 I remember just giving him stickers, giving him coloring books. 359 00:41:49,734 --> 00:41:51,600 Letting him play with my police dog. 360 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,100 Like, just trying to bring joy to this kid 361 00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:56,634 and then also being able to see that he's not harmed, 362 00:41:56,634 --> 00:41:58,266 so it was really good 363 00:41:58,266 --> 00:42:01,734 and kind of actually brought some closure to everything that had happened.