1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:02,042 --> 00:00:03,083 [TV static drones] 3 00:00:03,167 --> 00:00:05,918 [bright tone] 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:13,459 --> 00:00:16,292 [anticipatory string music] 6 00:00:16,375 --> 00:00:19,584 ♪ ♪ 7 00:00:19,667 --> 00:00:23,000 - I remember it was Sunday morning after Thanksgiving. 8 00:00:23,083 --> 00:00:24,959 I was 11 years old, 9 00:00:25,042 --> 00:00:25,876 and I had spent the night 10 00:00:25,959 --> 00:00:28,751 at my best friend Tracy's house. 11 00:00:28,834 --> 00:00:30,292 ♪ ♪ 12 00:00:30,375 --> 00:00:32,542 The clock radio went off and woke me up, 13 00:00:32,626 --> 00:00:34,209 and I heard a news report say 14 00:00:34,292 --> 00:00:37,918 my mom's body was found off the coast of Catalina. 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,500 ♪ ♪ 16 00:00:40,584 --> 00:00:42,626 The next thing I knew, my stepdad's driver 17 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:45,959 was there with our nanny, Willie Mae. 18 00:00:46,042 --> 00:00:48,626 They had come to pick me up and take me home. 19 00:00:48,709 --> 00:00:50,500 ♪ ♪ 20 00:00:50,584 --> 00:00:52,792 It had rained, and the streets were wet, 21 00:00:52,876 --> 00:00:56,125 and I was asking, "Is Mommy okay?" 22 00:00:56,209 --> 00:00:58,167 But they were just comforting me, 23 00:00:58,250 --> 00:01:00,667 and they weren't really telling me what happened. 24 00:01:00,751 --> 00:01:02,459 ♪ ♪ 25 00:01:02,542 --> 00:01:04,542 When I got home, I got into my mom's bed 26 00:01:04,626 --> 00:01:07,500 and tried to comfort myself. 27 00:01:07,584 --> 00:01:10,167 I said, "Maybe she just has a broken leg 28 00:01:10,250 --> 00:01:13,834 or something like that." 29 00:01:13,918 --> 00:01:16,918 Then my stepdad came back. 30 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,459 I went down the steps, and I could tell, 31 00:01:20,542 --> 00:01:23,417 just when I looked at his face, 32 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:25,375 that something awful had happened. 33 00:01:25,459 --> 00:01:27,792 ♪ ♪ 34 00:01:27,876 --> 00:01:31,334 The day my mom died, my entire world was shattered, 35 00:01:31,417 --> 00:01:34,000 and our family has never been the same. 36 00:01:34,083 --> 00:01:36,667 ♪ ♪ 37 00:01:36,751 --> 00:01:39,584 Since then, there's been so much speculation 38 00:01:39,667 --> 00:01:42,709 and focus on how she died 39 00:01:42,792 --> 00:01:45,500 that it's overshadowed her life's work 40 00:01:45,584 --> 00:01:48,334 and who she was as a person. 41 00:01:50,709 --> 00:01:52,709 I'm Natasha Gregson Wagner, 42 00:01:52,792 --> 00:01:54,876 and my mom was Natalie Wood. 43 00:01:54,959 --> 00:01:57,834 [gentle orchestral waltz] 44 00:01:57,918 --> 00:02:04,918 ♪ ♪ 45 00:02:46,417 --> 00:02:48,375 - Hello, Natalie. - Oh, hello again. 46 00:02:48,459 --> 00:02:50,042 Please sit down. - Thank you. 47 00:02:50,125 --> 00:02:51,375 How's the food? 48 00:02:51,459 --> 00:02:52,918 - Best location food I ever ate. 49 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:53,959 - Well, I must say, you certainly seem 50 00:02:54,042 --> 00:02:55,083 to thrive on it. 51 00:02:55,167 --> 00:02:56,542 - Well, I was brought up on it. 52 00:02:56,626 --> 00:02:57,584 I've been eating lunch on the set 53 00:02:57,667 --> 00:02:58,918 since I was four years old. 54 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,125 - That's correct. Natalie's a movie veteran. 55 00:03:01,209 --> 00:03:03,751 Been in pictures since 1941. Is that correct? 56 00:03:03,834 --> 00:03:06,083 - That's right. 57 00:03:06,167 --> 00:03:07,709 My original real name 58 00:03:07,792 --> 00:03:10,042 was Natalia Nikolaevna Zakharenko. 59 00:03:10,125 --> 00:03:12,292 Zakharenko was always being mispronounced. 60 00:03:12,375 --> 00:03:14,375 It was very difficult, so my parents 61 00:03:14,459 --> 00:03:15,876 changed their name to Gurdin, 62 00:03:15,959 --> 00:03:17,542 and then that got mispronounced a lot, 63 00:03:17,626 --> 00:03:19,334 so when I was five years old 64 00:03:19,417 --> 00:03:21,459 and William Goetz put me into my first film, 65 00:03:21,542 --> 00:03:23,709 he that that Gurdin was not a good name, 66 00:03:23,792 --> 00:03:25,876 and at this point, I was being called Natasha, 67 00:03:25,959 --> 00:03:28,667 which is really a nickname for Natalia, 68 00:03:28,751 --> 00:03:31,292 so he chose Natalie, and then he chose Wood 69 00:03:31,375 --> 00:03:33,834 in honor of his friend Sam Wood, the director. 70 00:03:33,918 --> 00:03:35,334 So that's how I got named. 71 00:03:35,417 --> 00:03:38,459 Oh, daisies on your coffeepot! 72 00:03:38,542 --> 00:03:40,375 They're my favorite flower. 73 00:03:40,459 --> 00:03:41,626 - With Natalie Wood, 74 00:03:41,709 --> 00:03:43,876 one of the most fascinating things about her is, 75 00:03:43,959 --> 00:03:46,626 generations of people watched her grow up, 76 00:03:46,709 --> 00:03:48,667 and so it was congruent 77 00:03:48,751 --> 00:03:51,417 with what was happening with their own development. 78 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:53,834 - No, Mom. We haven't gone too far. 79 00:03:53,918 --> 00:03:55,709 - When you're an adolescent, you're a very different person 80 00:03:55,792 --> 00:03:58,167 than you were when you were five years old, 81 00:03:58,250 --> 00:04:00,918 and she certainly was that but on steroids, 82 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,876 'cause she was a movie star. 83 00:04:02,959 --> 00:04:03,918 - Wish me luck! 84 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,584 I'm gonna make a noise in the world! 85 00:04:05,667 --> 00:04:08,417 - The business she was in is a tough business, 86 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:10,125 and to survive in that business, 87 00:04:10,209 --> 00:04:13,042 you had to have a tough side to you, 88 00:04:13,125 --> 00:04:15,751 and so I think she had to develop that. 89 00:04:15,834 --> 00:04:17,375 But it wasn't comfortable. 90 00:04:17,459 --> 00:04:19,667 What she really wanted to do was to laugh and have fun 91 00:04:19,751 --> 00:04:21,000 and just be a regular person. 92 00:04:21,083 --> 00:04:23,334 But mainly, she had a big heart, 93 00:04:23,417 --> 00:04:24,834 and that showed up in her work. 94 00:04:24,918 --> 00:04:28,542 - You can't pinpoint what it is that draws you to a character. 95 00:04:28,626 --> 00:04:30,626 You just suddenly say, "I know her. 96 00:04:30,709 --> 00:04:32,834 I know that I can make her be real." 97 00:04:32,918 --> 00:04:35,959 - People knew she was smart and incredibly well-organized, 98 00:04:36,042 --> 00:04:38,751 and in a town where women were 99 00:04:38,834 --> 00:04:41,167 not always respected, 100 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:43,792 not in their work and not socially, 101 00:04:43,876 --> 00:04:45,292 she was an exception. 102 00:04:45,375 --> 00:04:47,417 [bell rings] She knew how it should be lit, 103 00:04:47,500 --> 00:04:48,959 she knew how the sound should be, 104 00:04:49,042 --> 00:04:51,292 she knew how she should look, 105 00:04:51,375 --> 00:04:53,584 and she sure knew how to give a great performance. 106 00:04:53,667 --> 00:04:55,125 - I know this may come as a great big shock 107 00:04:55,209 --> 00:04:56,292 to the both of you, 108 00:04:56,375 --> 00:04:58,209 but underneath all this hair and skin 109 00:04:58,292 --> 00:04:59,500 is a human girl 110 00:04:59,584 --> 00:05:01,167 with all the regular things going for me, 111 00:05:01,250 --> 00:05:02,417 and believe it or not, 112 00:05:02,500 --> 00:05:03,751 I don't want to spend the rest of my life 113 00:05:03,834 --> 00:05:06,209 married to a man who's doing me a big favor! 114 00:05:06,292 --> 00:05:08,542 Primarily, I'm an actress, and I think that at the point 115 00:05:08,626 --> 00:05:10,959 when you're a star, 116 00:05:11,042 --> 00:05:13,167 mainly, I was thinking of the work, 117 00:05:13,250 --> 00:05:16,500 not of the stardom that follows it. 118 00:05:16,584 --> 00:05:18,834 I've enjoyed the part where you act, 119 00:05:18,918 --> 00:05:20,459 where the red light goes on and the camera rolls 120 00:05:20,542 --> 00:05:23,042 and you really can do your work, 121 00:05:23,125 --> 00:05:26,334 and in the film business, there are so many other things 122 00:05:26,417 --> 00:05:28,584 that enter into making it possible 123 00:05:28,667 --> 00:05:29,626 for those moments 124 00:05:29,709 --> 00:05:31,792 where you just are able to do your craft 125 00:05:31,876 --> 00:05:34,167 without the interference of a lot of other things. 126 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:37,209 [gentle music] 127 00:05:37,292 --> 00:05:39,751 ♪ ♪ 128 00:05:39,834 --> 00:05:42,500 - I always knew that she was an actor, 129 00:05:42,584 --> 00:05:44,209 but, you know, around the house, 130 00:05:44,292 --> 00:05:46,792 my mom didn't wear a lot of makeup, 131 00:05:46,876 --> 00:05:49,083 and she was very casual, 132 00:05:49,167 --> 00:05:50,709 so I would look at her and think, 133 00:05:50,792 --> 00:05:53,626 "What is--what's the big deal about you, lady?" 134 00:05:53,709 --> 00:05:56,209 But then she and my stepdad would get dressed up, 135 00:05:56,292 --> 00:05:58,500 and they would go out to dinner or something, 136 00:05:58,584 --> 00:06:00,375 and she was amazing-looking. 137 00:06:00,459 --> 00:06:03,042 But we weren't raised by someone 138 00:06:03,125 --> 00:06:05,918 who seemed like a movie star at all. 139 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,876 All she just seemed was sort of larger than life 140 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:09,542 but not because she was famous, 141 00:06:09,626 --> 00:06:12,042 more because she was just her. 142 00:06:12,125 --> 00:06:14,417 ♪ ♪ 143 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:16,751 - I was seven when she passed away, 144 00:06:16,834 --> 00:06:19,375 and I feel like my memories of her 145 00:06:19,459 --> 00:06:21,459 are just ever-evolving. 146 00:06:21,542 --> 00:06:24,500 You know, there's her beautiful face 147 00:06:24,584 --> 00:06:26,209 and her voice and her hands 148 00:06:26,292 --> 00:06:28,292 and all those things that I remember. 149 00:06:28,375 --> 00:06:31,334 But when I try to think of my mom now, 150 00:06:31,417 --> 00:06:33,459 it's so hard; like, I will literally 151 00:06:33,542 --> 00:06:35,792 come across a picture, and I'll just look at it, 152 00:06:35,876 --> 00:06:37,959 and I'll look at it a little bit more, thinking, 153 00:06:38,042 --> 00:06:40,083 "Is that really my mom? 154 00:06:40,167 --> 00:06:42,584 How is it that she's my mom?" 155 00:06:42,667 --> 00:06:44,792 I just have this famous mother, 156 00:06:44,876 --> 00:06:47,292 and she's like this mythology character. 157 00:06:47,375 --> 00:06:48,792 I--you know. 158 00:06:48,876 --> 00:06:51,334 I hope one day, I'll get to a place 159 00:06:51,417 --> 00:06:55,584 where I can really access the true feeling 160 00:06:55,667 --> 00:06:59,542 that this was my mother, that I came from her 161 00:06:59,626 --> 00:07:02,250 and that she was mine 162 00:07:02,334 --> 00:07:03,334 for a short time, you know? 163 00:07:03,417 --> 00:07:04,959 Like, I feel like 164 00:07:05,042 --> 00:07:09,334 it's just been very hard to hold on to that. 165 00:07:12,417 --> 00:07:13,751 - I have two fathers. 166 00:07:13,834 --> 00:07:16,334 My biological father is Richard Gregson. 167 00:07:16,417 --> 00:07:18,459 I call him Daddy Gregson. 168 00:07:18,542 --> 00:07:20,209 My stepfather is Robert Wagner, 169 00:07:20,292 --> 00:07:21,959 who everyone calls RJ, 170 00:07:22,042 --> 00:07:24,083 and I call him Daddy Wagner. 171 00:07:24,167 --> 00:07:26,459 My mom was the one that started calling them 172 00:07:26,542 --> 00:07:28,083 Daddy Gregson and Daddy Wagner 173 00:07:28,167 --> 00:07:31,667 to clarify who was who in case people got confused. 174 00:07:31,751 --> 00:07:34,667 [laughs] And then it's just nicknames that have stuck. 175 00:07:34,751 --> 00:07:36,792 From the age of two, I was primarily raised 176 00:07:36,876 --> 00:07:38,459 by my Daddy Wagner, 177 00:07:38,542 --> 00:07:39,834 and in all that time, 178 00:07:39,918 --> 00:07:42,000 he treated me like his own blood. 179 00:07:42,083 --> 00:07:44,083 ♪ ♪ 180 00:07:44,167 --> 00:07:46,876 So, Dad, I just want to say 181 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:51,209 that I'm really excited to talk to you about my mom... 182 00:07:51,292 --> 00:07:52,667 - Yes, I am too. 183 00:07:52,751 --> 00:07:54,626 - And everything we've been through, 184 00:07:54,709 --> 00:07:56,918 the highs and the lows, 185 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,834 how we've always stayed 186 00:07:58,918 --> 00:08:01,626 connected through all of it. 187 00:08:01,709 --> 00:08:03,542 - I don't think there's a day 188 00:08:03,626 --> 00:08:06,125 that has ever gone by in my life that 189 00:08:06,209 --> 00:08:07,667 there hasn't been a moment 190 00:08:07,751 --> 00:08:09,667 that I haven't thought about Natalie 191 00:08:09,751 --> 00:08:11,500 and how much she meant to me 192 00:08:11,584 --> 00:08:13,709 in my heart and in my soul. 193 00:08:13,792 --> 00:08:15,334 We started so young. 194 00:08:15,417 --> 00:08:18,167 To see her evolve over the years 195 00:08:18,250 --> 00:08:19,626 into the woman that she was 196 00:08:19,709 --> 00:08:22,167 was very special. 197 00:08:22,250 --> 00:08:24,584 - How did you two meet? I want to hear both versions. 198 00:08:24,667 --> 00:08:26,667 - Well, actually, when I was ten years old 199 00:08:26,751 --> 00:08:28,083 and RJ was about 18, I guess, 200 00:08:28,167 --> 00:08:29,459 when you were first under contract, 201 00:08:29,542 --> 00:08:32,250 I remember walking down the hallway with my mother, 202 00:08:32,334 --> 00:08:35,918 and I saw him, and I said to my mother, 203 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,709 "When I grow up, I wish that I could marry him." 204 00:08:39,792 --> 00:08:41,125 - Did you really? - I really did. 205 00:08:41,209 --> 00:08:43,042 - Did you really know that she... 206 00:08:43,125 --> 00:08:44,751 - Well, I didn't know it then. 207 00:08:44,834 --> 00:08:46,209 It sure could've saved me a lot of trouble, 208 00:08:46,292 --> 00:08:47,209 I'll tell you. 209 00:08:47,292 --> 00:08:48,792 [laughter] 210 00:08:48,876 --> 00:08:51,042 - Could I ask for your version of when you met? 211 00:08:51,125 --> 00:08:52,542 - When I came into Natalie's life, 212 00:08:52,626 --> 00:08:54,626 I was sort of a Happy Jack Squirrel kid, 213 00:08:54,709 --> 00:08:58,542 you know, with nothing on my mind much but my hair 214 00:08:58,626 --> 00:09:01,083 and... [laughter] 215 00:09:01,167 --> 00:09:02,876 She sort of resisted me a bit, actually, 216 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,459 at the beginning, because-- - I did? 217 00:09:04,542 --> 00:09:05,584 - I was--yeah, well, I was so different 218 00:09:05,667 --> 00:09:07,876 than all the rest of the-- - I don't remember that. 219 00:09:07,959 --> 00:09:09,459 - Well, yes, you did, and then I finally started 220 00:09:09,542 --> 00:09:10,876 taking you--I remember I took you out on-- 221 00:09:10,959 --> 00:09:13,125 - On my 18th birthday, mm-hmm. - On your 18th birthday. 222 00:09:13,209 --> 00:09:14,959 I took her out on her birthday, 223 00:09:15,042 --> 00:09:18,250 July 20, 1956. 224 00:09:18,334 --> 00:09:20,000 I had done a picture 225 00:09:20,083 --> 00:09:22,209 with Spencer Tracy called "The Mountain," 226 00:09:22,292 --> 00:09:25,125 and we went to the premiere, and that sort of started it. 227 00:09:25,209 --> 00:09:27,292 - Everybody knew about Robert Wagner, 228 00:09:27,375 --> 00:09:29,918 and my dad had introduced me to RJ 229 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,292 when I was maybe nine 230 00:09:31,375 --> 00:09:33,334 when he did "Prince Valiant," 231 00:09:33,417 --> 00:09:35,709 which was, at the time, my favorite movie, 232 00:09:35,792 --> 00:09:37,459 and there he was, Prince Valiant. 233 00:09:37,542 --> 00:09:39,000 There was nobody handsomer. 234 00:09:39,083 --> 00:09:41,918 And he was so kind to me. 235 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,876 - On December 6, 1957, I made a reservation 236 00:09:45,959 --> 00:09:47,459 at a restaurant in Beverly Hills 237 00:09:47,542 --> 00:09:49,334 called Romanoff's. 238 00:09:49,417 --> 00:09:51,334 Man, I got Natalie down there, 239 00:09:51,417 --> 00:09:53,375 and I opened a bottle of champagne. 240 00:09:53,459 --> 00:09:55,000 - We had some champagne, 241 00:09:55,083 --> 00:09:57,667 and I suddenly looked in my glass, 242 00:09:57,751 --> 00:10:00,167 and there was a ring in it, 243 00:10:00,250 --> 00:10:02,042 and I took the ring out and looked, 244 00:10:02,125 --> 00:10:05,125 and he said, "Look, guys," and, "My God, what is this?" 245 00:10:05,209 --> 00:10:06,834 Then he said, "Look on the inside," 246 00:10:06,918 --> 00:10:09,292 and it said, "Marry me." 247 00:10:09,375 --> 00:10:11,167 [laughs] [applause] 248 00:10:11,250 --> 00:10:17,918 ♪ ♪ 249 00:10:55,584 --> 00:10:59,209 - We got married in Scottsdale, Arizona, 250 00:10:59,292 --> 00:11:01,834 and I got a private railroad car. 251 00:11:01,918 --> 00:11:04,292 ♪ ♪ 252 00:11:04,375 --> 00:11:07,083 After the ceremony, we went to the private car, 253 00:11:07,167 --> 00:11:09,751 and a big train came by and picked us up, 254 00:11:09,834 --> 00:11:11,918 and off we went to Chicago. 255 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,876 It was pretty exciting. 256 00:11:13,959 --> 00:11:19,834 ♪ ♪ 257 00:11:19,918 --> 00:11:21,751 - Maybe we should stay too. 258 00:11:21,834 --> 00:11:23,292 - Well, I think you ought to go. 259 00:11:23,375 --> 00:11:24,959 I really think you ought to. 260 00:11:25,042 --> 00:11:26,584 Maybe she'll be better by the morning. 261 00:11:26,667 --> 00:11:28,083 Here. 262 00:11:28,167 --> 00:11:30,042 - Will you come back to the apartment? 263 00:11:30,125 --> 00:11:32,209 - Yeah, yeah. It's 695 Park Avenue. 264 00:11:32,292 --> 00:11:34,083 Yeah, I'll come back. 265 00:11:34,167 --> 00:11:36,542 - I loved working with RJ and Natalie. 266 00:11:36,626 --> 00:11:37,667 There was something about her 267 00:11:37,751 --> 00:11:39,417 that was incredibly ingratiating. 268 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:42,584 She made you feel important, not her. 269 00:11:42,667 --> 00:11:44,584 Something that's one of the tricks of life 270 00:11:44,667 --> 00:11:46,250 and success 271 00:11:46,334 --> 00:11:48,542 is to make other people feel important 272 00:11:48,626 --> 00:11:50,751 when they're around you, not because you are 273 00:11:50,834 --> 00:11:51,959 an important person. 274 00:11:52,042 --> 00:11:53,751 - While here, still enjoying the plaudits 275 00:11:53,834 --> 00:11:55,292 for his "In Love and War" role, 276 00:11:55,375 --> 00:11:56,500 is Robert Wagner 277 00:11:56,584 --> 00:11:58,000 with his lovely wife, Natalie Wood. 278 00:11:58,083 --> 00:12:01,375 - The studios were always anxious to get publicity, 279 00:12:01,459 --> 00:12:02,751 and at that time, 280 00:12:02,834 --> 00:12:05,125 the movie magazines were the thing-- 281 00:12:05,209 --> 00:12:07,334 "Photoplay," "Modern Screen"-- 282 00:12:07,417 --> 00:12:09,542 and Natalie and I were one of the hot things 283 00:12:09,626 --> 00:12:10,626 for the magazines, 284 00:12:10,709 --> 00:12:12,292 so they were very much involved 285 00:12:12,375 --> 00:12:13,626 in our relationship. 286 00:12:13,709 --> 00:12:16,751 - Nat and RJ were both major stars, 287 00:12:16,834 --> 00:12:20,083 and I didn't feel like one was outshining the other. 288 00:12:20,167 --> 00:12:22,918 There's a sort of royalty to that business, 289 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,209 and RJ and Nat were that royalty. 290 00:12:26,292 --> 00:12:29,834 ♪ ♪ 291 00:12:31,375 --> 00:12:34,500 - So why don't we start by you telling me 292 00:12:34,584 --> 00:12:35,959 how you and my mom met? 293 00:12:36,042 --> 00:12:38,167 - Oh, okay. [coughs] 294 00:12:38,250 --> 00:12:40,459 Let's see. How did we meet? 295 00:12:40,542 --> 00:12:44,334 Well, I met your mother and Daddy Wagner 296 00:12:44,417 --> 00:12:47,083 the same day, the same moment, 297 00:12:47,167 --> 00:12:51,292 because I was working for the director Elia Kazan, 298 00:12:51,375 --> 00:12:53,459 and I was a production assistant 299 00:12:53,542 --> 00:12:55,459 on "Splendor in the Grass." 300 00:12:55,542 --> 00:12:57,626 There, I had to go and get your mother 301 00:12:57,709 --> 00:12:58,876 every morning. 302 00:12:58,959 --> 00:13:01,417 Therefore, we talked an awful lot, 303 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:04,375 and it was clear to me 304 00:13:04,459 --> 00:13:08,000 that there was trouble in their marriage. 305 00:13:08,083 --> 00:13:09,667 - Mm. 306 00:13:09,751 --> 00:13:12,876 - I discovered that my mom had written an article 307 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,375 for "Ladies' Home Journal" in 1966 308 00:13:15,459 --> 00:13:16,876 that was never published. 309 00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:17,876 It was called 310 00:13:17,959 --> 00:13:20,417 "Public Property, Private Person." 311 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:23,209 It was amazing to read this article. 312 00:13:23,292 --> 00:13:25,500 I found out so many things about my mom's life 313 00:13:25,584 --> 00:13:26,542 that I didn't know, 314 00:13:26,626 --> 00:13:28,667 especially during a really challenging time 315 00:13:28,751 --> 00:13:30,751 for her. 316 00:13:30,834 --> 00:13:33,292 - "After two years of marriage, 317 00:13:33,375 --> 00:13:35,209 "things began to change. 318 00:13:35,292 --> 00:13:37,334 "We were aware that we had problems, 319 00:13:37,417 --> 00:13:40,209 "but we tried to avoid the real conflicts. 320 00:13:40,292 --> 00:13:43,167 "We maintained a superficially happy relationship 321 00:13:43,250 --> 00:13:45,834 "and hoped that by pretending there was nothing wrong, 322 00:13:45,918 --> 00:13:47,792 "the problems would go away. 323 00:13:47,876 --> 00:13:50,542 "How do you separate reality from illusion 324 00:13:50,626 --> 00:13:54,209 "when you have been trapped in make-believe all your life? 325 00:13:54,292 --> 00:13:56,792 "Marriage requires patience and work, 326 00:13:56,876 --> 00:13:59,918 "as well as the capacity to accept another human being, 327 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,250 "flaws and all, without cloaking him 328 00:14:02,334 --> 00:14:05,042 in a smothering mantle of perfection." 329 00:14:06,626 --> 00:14:09,959 - With the pressure of being this wonderful couple 330 00:14:10,042 --> 00:14:13,500 and the marriage starting to have difficulties in it, 331 00:14:13,584 --> 00:14:16,083 I could feel it unraveling, and so could she, 332 00:14:16,167 --> 00:14:17,375 and that time, 333 00:14:17,459 --> 00:14:20,500 her career really started to catch on fire. 334 00:14:20,584 --> 00:14:22,125 It was like striking a match. 335 00:14:22,209 --> 00:14:24,876 And when she did "Splendor" with Kazan, 336 00:14:24,959 --> 00:14:27,792 I mean, this was a dream come true for her. 337 00:14:27,876 --> 00:14:30,667 - "Though nothing can bring back the hour 338 00:14:30,751 --> 00:14:32,834 "of splendor in the grass, 339 00:14:32,918 --> 00:14:35,292 "glory in the flower, 340 00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:38,000 "we will grieve not, 341 00:14:38,083 --> 00:14:42,167 "rather find the strength 342 00:14:42,250 --> 00:14:46,167 in what remains behind." 343 00:14:46,250 --> 00:14:48,209 - And on that picture, she knew 344 00:14:48,292 --> 00:14:51,459 that she was not Kazan's first choice, 345 00:14:51,542 --> 00:14:53,167 and she was out to prove 346 00:14:53,250 --> 00:14:56,292 that she was a serious actress. 347 00:14:56,375 --> 00:14:58,375 - Miss Metcalf, 348 00:14:58,459 --> 00:15:00,042 may I please be e-- 349 00:15:01,167 --> 00:15:03,876 [sobbing] 350 00:15:03,959 --> 00:15:05,792 The opportunity to work with Kazan 351 00:15:05,876 --> 00:15:07,417 was just fantastic, 352 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:09,918 but it was emotionally a very demanding role, 353 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,959 and it--I don't know. 354 00:15:12,042 --> 00:15:15,375 It had quite an effect on my life, I think. 355 00:15:15,459 --> 00:15:18,459 - "As RJ and I struggled to make our marriage work, 356 00:15:18,542 --> 00:15:21,042 "the problems continued to pile up. 357 00:15:21,125 --> 00:15:23,584 "After finishing work on 'Splendor in the Grass,' 358 00:15:23,667 --> 00:15:25,876 "I went directly into 'West Side Story' 359 00:15:25,959 --> 00:15:29,375 "for another solid and rigorous eight months. 360 00:15:29,459 --> 00:15:31,709 "The rest of the cast had been rehearsing together 361 00:15:31,792 --> 00:15:33,918 "for a month while I finished 'Splendor.' 362 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,375 "Now I had to cram four weeks of rehearsals 363 00:15:36,459 --> 00:15:37,876 "into weekends. 364 00:15:37,959 --> 00:15:39,167 "I was worn out, 365 00:15:39,250 --> 00:15:41,167 "and I didn't have time to be the kind of wife 366 00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:42,918 "I wanted to be. 367 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,626 "During this hectic period, 368 00:15:44,709 --> 00:15:46,125 "RJ went through an ordeal 369 00:15:46,209 --> 00:15:48,125 "that all performers, including myself, 370 00:15:48,209 --> 00:15:49,292 "have to face. 371 00:15:49,375 --> 00:15:51,626 "His career hit a momentary lull. 372 00:15:51,709 --> 00:15:53,792 "Sometimes I waited for him to complain 373 00:15:53,876 --> 00:15:55,167 "or start a fight, 374 00:15:55,250 --> 00:15:57,792 "but his calm exterior remained intact. 375 00:15:57,876 --> 00:16:00,667 His coolness drove me frantic." 376 00:16:01,918 --> 00:16:05,417 - My career was not igniting like hers was, 377 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:08,751 but that wasn't really a very big factor 378 00:16:08,834 --> 00:16:11,375 in the fact that we separated 379 00:16:11,459 --> 00:16:12,584 and then finally divorced. 380 00:16:12,667 --> 00:16:15,375 It was the pressure on her and her career 381 00:16:15,459 --> 00:16:17,375 that caused that, and also, 382 00:16:17,459 --> 00:16:19,167 I think that I might have been able 383 00:16:19,250 --> 00:16:20,542 to handle it a little bit better. 384 00:16:20,626 --> 00:16:21,751 If I'd have been a little bit older 385 00:16:21,834 --> 00:16:23,000 and had more experience, 386 00:16:23,083 --> 00:16:24,375 I might have been able 387 00:16:24,459 --> 00:16:26,000 to have worked it out. 388 00:16:26,083 --> 00:16:28,000 - Any rumors that you've heard-- 389 00:16:28,083 --> 00:16:29,792 I mean, I'm here to say 390 00:16:29,876 --> 00:16:32,667 that Warren Beatty, who was her costar 391 00:16:32,751 --> 00:16:34,334 in "Splendor in the Grass," 392 00:16:34,417 --> 00:16:37,667 was not the problem at all, 393 00:16:37,751 --> 00:16:40,375 and there definitely did not develop 394 00:16:40,459 --> 00:16:42,500 a relationship between them 395 00:16:42,584 --> 00:16:46,918 until long after "Splendor" had wrapped. 396 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,083 - We were separated, and Warren, I think, 397 00:16:49,167 --> 00:16:52,334 was very much taken by her, and why wouldn't he be? 398 00:16:52,417 --> 00:16:54,250 But that was a very difficult time 399 00:16:54,334 --> 00:16:56,292 because I was so upset 400 00:16:56,375 --> 00:16:58,417 and so disturbed by everything, 401 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:00,083 I was ready to go after him. 402 00:17:00,167 --> 00:17:01,584 I can talk about that pretty easily now, 403 00:17:01,667 --> 00:17:04,000 but at the time, it was a little bit difficult, 404 00:17:04,083 --> 00:17:05,542 as you can imagine. 405 00:17:05,626 --> 00:17:08,334 - The relationship between her and Warren Beatty was hot. 406 00:17:08,417 --> 00:17:09,709 You could almost not look at them. 407 00:17:09,792 --> 00:17:11,042 Your eyes were gonna burn out. 408 00:17:11,125 --> 00:17:13,584 They were so good-looking. 409 00:17:13,667 --> 00:17:14,834 - I was alone, 410 00:17:14,918 --> 00:17:16,751 I didn't have anybody in my life, 411 00:17:16,834 --> 00:17:19,918 and I just couldn't stay in Los Angeles anymore 412 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,417 and be alone, 413 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:23,083 and I made a decision 414 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:24,292 to move to Europe. 415 00:17:24,375 --> 00:17:25,959 So I talked to her, 416 00:17:26,042 --> 00:17:28,375 and I said I was going to Europe. 417 00:17:28,459 --> 00:17:30,834 "Do you feel like you'd want to come there?" 418 00:17:30,918 --> 00:17:35,042 And she said, "No, I have other plans," 419 00:17:35,125 --> 00:17:40,500 and I said, "Okay," and I hung up the phone, 420 00:17:40,584 --> 00:17:41,792 and that was it. 421 00:17:43,334 --> 00:17:44,959 - "Neither Warren nor I was ready 422 00:17:45,042 --> 00:17:46,918 "for a permanent relationship, 423 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,626 "although our romance lasted approximately two years. 424 00:17:50,709 --> 00:17:54,167 "Our affair was a collision from start to finish. 425 00:17:54,250 --> 00:17:56,751 "While RJ never did express hostility, 426 00:17:56,834 --> 00:17:58,584 "Warren couldn't stop, 427 00:17:58,667 --> 00:18:01,334 "and I contributed my share of fireworks too. 428 00:18:01,417 --> 00:18:03,334 "In fact, we were both so confused 429 00:18:03,417 --> 00:18:05,459 "that we thought fighting and hostility 430 00:18:05,542 --> 00:18:08,209 meant real emotional honesty." 431 00:18:09,709 --> 00:18:12,876 After her relationship with Warren had broken up, 432 00:18:12,959 --> 00:18:15,667 my mom had a string of relationships, 433 00:18:15,751 --> 00:18:17,083 and during the '60s, 434 00:18:17,167 --> 00:18:19,083 before she married my Daddy Gregson, 435 00:18:19,167 --> 00:18:21,250 she had a couple of broken engagements, 436 00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:23,417 one with Arthur Loew Jr., 437 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:25,834 who remained a very close friend of hers, 438 00:18:25,918 --> 00:18:27,667 another with Ladislav Blatnik, 439 00:18:27,751 --> 00:18:30,834 who was known as the shoe king of Venezuela, 440 00:18:30,918 --> 00:18:34,083 but I think that my mom was longing 441 00:18:34,167 --> 00:18:36,918 to be taken care of emotionally, 442 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,959 and I think that's what she was looking for 443 00:18:39,042 --> 00:18:40,792 during that time. 444 00:18:40,876 --> 00:18:42,751 - I was flattered that I was, I think, 445 00:18:42,834 --> 00:18:44,918 the only one she ever dated who was younger than she, 446 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,918 and I was four years younger than she was. 447 00:18:47,042 --> 00:18:49,542 Didn't bother me. Didn't bother her. 448 00:18:49,626 --> 00:18:51,709 But it was never gonna go anywhere. 449 00:18:51,792 --> 00:18:53,751 It was never supposed to go anywhere. 450 00:18:53,834 --> 00:18:55,918 It was fun for as long as it lasted, 451 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,334 and it--the friendship lasted way beyond the dating period. 452 00:18:59,417 --> 00:19:01,542 [somber music] 453 00:19:01,626 --> 00:19:03,042 - "For the first time in my life, 454 00:19:03,125 --> 00:19:05,042 "I considered, in horror, 455 00:19:05,125 --> 00:19:07,083 "the possibility that I might join 456 00:19:07,167 --> 00:19:09,709 "that sad parade of famous movie ladies 457 00:19:09,792 --> 00:19:12,042 "who wind up desperately lonely 458 00:19:12,125 --> 00:19:14,751 "with nothing more substantial to sustain them 459 00:19:14,834 --> 00:19:17,250 "than their scrapbooks and old photos 460 00:19:17,334 --> 00:19:20,959 "and memories of romances and divorces. 461 00:19:21,042 --> 00:19:24,417 "My ex-husband's first child had just been born. 462 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:27,167 "I cried when I heard the news. 463 00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:29,709 "It wasn't only from the sense of loss I felt 464 00:19:29,792 --> 00:19:31,584 "for something we never shared. 465 00:19:31,667 --> 00:19:34,959 It was also happiness for him." 466 00:19:35,042 --> 00:19:36,459 - My mom's name was Marion Marshall 467 00:19:36,542 --> 00:19:38,417 when she was in the picture business, 468 00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:41,500 Marion Donen when she was married to Stanley Donen, 469 00:19:41,584 --> 00:19:43,083 and she had two boys, 470 00:19:43,167 --> 00:19:45,250 my brothers Josh Donen and Peter Donen, 471 00:19:45,334 --> 00:19:47,459 who are eight and ten years older than me. 472 00:19:47,542 --> 00:19:49,500 ♪ ♪ 473 00:19:49,584 --> 00:19:52,334 - I left Los Angeles and lived in Rome 474 00:19:52,417 --> 00:19:54,167 for three years, 475 00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:55,417 and I saw Marion, 476 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:56,959 and Marion and I started going out, 477 00:19:57,042 --> 00:19:59,083 traveling all over Europe together, 478 00:19:59,167 --> 00:20:00,459 and fell in love with each other 479 00:20:00,542 --> 00:20:04,167 and got married and came back to the United States. 480 00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:06,542 She had two sons, Peter and Josh. 481 00:20:06,626 --> 00:20:07,876 I loved these two boys, 482 00:20:07,959 --> 00:20:09,709 and we had a wonderful life together, 483 00:20:09,792 --> 00:20:13,334 and I had a daughter with her called Katie, 484 00:20:13,417 --> 00:20:15,959 and that was a joy in my life. 485 00:20:21,751 --> 00:20:23,375 - Here we are in Wales 486 00:20:23,459 --> 00:20:26,000 at my father Richard Gregson's house. 487 00:20:26,083 --> 00:20:29,334 My dad has Parkinson's at this point in his life, 488 00:20:29,417 --> 00:20:32,876 and this might be one of the last times 489 00:20:32,959 --> 00:20:35,250 we get to speak about my mom. 490 00:20:59,834 --> 00:21:02,667 - I was with her the night she met your father. 491 00:21:02,751 --> 00:21:04,334 They started seeing each other, dating, 492 00:21:04,417 --> 00:21:06,918 and it got serious. 493 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,667 - Richard Gregson was my agent, 494 00:21:08,751 --> 00:21:10,500 and then he became a producer 495 00:21:10,584 --> 00:21:11,751 from being my agent, 496 00:21:11,834 --> 00:21:13,375 and right from the beginning, I saw him 497 00:21:13,459 --> 00:21:16,292 as a very, very smart, elegant guy 498 00:21:16,375 --> 00:21:18,292 and very, very sophisticated, 499 00:21:18,375 --> 00:21:21,334 more so than any of the agents that I knew in Hollywood. 500 00:21:21,417 --> 00:21:23,459 And I was best man at their wedding. 501 00:21:23,542 --> 00:21:25,542 - I remember a story with him saying 502 00:21:25,626 --> 00:21:28,792 that he asked all his wives to marry him 503 00:21:28,876 --> 00:21:30,792 but they turned him down, 504 00:21:30,876 --> 00:21:33,167 so he then had to wait for them to ask him. 505 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:35,375 And eventually, Natalie asked him 506 00:21:35,459 --> 00:21:37,083 to marry him, and they'd been together 507 00:21:37,167 --> 00:21:38,751 for three or four years at that time. 508 00:21:38,834 --> 00:21:41,209 - And they had a big, big, fancy wedding 509 00:21:41,292 --> 00:21:43,584 at a Russian church, Russian ceremony, 510 00:21:43,667 --> 00:21:45,584 and it was beautiful. 511 00:21:45,667 --> 00:21:52,667 ♪ ♪ 512 00:21:53,792 --> 00:21:55,542 - How long have you been married now? 513 00:21:55,626 --> 00:21:56,834 - Five months. - Five months. 514 00:21:56,918 --> 00:21:59,334 - Five months. And they said it wouldn't last. 515 00:21:59,417 --> 00:22:02,500 [laughter] - Don't say that! 516 00:22:02,584 --> 00:22:03,792 - And you've been quoted as saying 517 00:22:03,876 --> 00:22:05,000 you wouldn't now take a film 518 00:22:05,083 --> 00:22:07,375 that was thousands of miles apart? 519 00:22:07,459 --> 00:22:08,834 - Not if it meant being away from Richard, 520 00:22:08,918 --> 00:22:11,042 no, I wouldn't. 521 00:22:11,125 --> 00:22:12,667 - How long have you been married, Robert? 522 00:22:12,751 --> 00:22:14,250 - 11 years. 523 00:22:14,334 --> 00:22:16,918 [applause] 524 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,250 [laughs] 525 00:22:18,334 --> 00:22:20,751 - And what advice would you give this young couple? 526 00:22:20,834 --> 00:22:23,417 - Yes, Redford, tell us what to do. 527 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:26,417 - Well, just try to keep track 528 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:27,959 of how many years you're married 529 00:22:28,042 --> 00:22:31,459 and, you know, remember the dates when they come up. 530 00:22:31,542 --> 00:22:32,918 - That's right, 'cause somebody asked you last week, 531 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,626 and they said, "What day were you married on?" 532 00:22:34,709 --> 00:22:37,709 and simultaneously, I said May 30th, 533 00:22:37,792 --> 00:22:39,500 and he said May 31st. 534 00:22:39,584 --> 00:22:41,417 - You don't need to ask who was wrong, right? 535 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:42,876 - Yeah. - [laughs] 536 00:23:02,125 --> 00:23:04,459 - There's nothing quite like finding out 537 00:23:04,542 --> 00:23:05,959 for the very first time 538 00:23:06,042 --> 00:23:07,083 that you're gonna be pregnant 539 00:23:07,167 --> 00:23:09,500 and to go through that first pregnancy. 540 00:23:09,584 --> 00:23:13,500 There's just nothing ever quite as miraculous as that. 541 00:23:13,584 --> 00:23:15,959 Ah. - She didn't "get pregnant." 542 00:23:16,042 --> 00:23:18,792 She got pregnant because she wanted a baby, 543 00:23:18,876 --> 00:23:20,959 so she was doing what she wanted 544 00:23:21,042 --> 00:23:23,918 and doing it well, and then the work, 545 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,375 she put it aside for a while. 546 00:23:25,459 --> 00:23:26,751 She knew she'd get back to it. 547 00:23:26,834 --> 00:23:28,792 There was nothing more important to Natalie 548 00:23:28,876 --> 00:23:31,417 than being a mom; that was really clear. 549 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:35,584 - I once walked in, and she was coddling you, 550 00:23:35,667 --> 00:23:37,959 and she just looked up at me and said, 551 00:23:38,042 --> 00:23:43,250 "Who needs show business when one has this?" 552 00:23:43,334 --> 00:23:46,375 My God, you were the spitting image of her, 553 00:23:46,459 --> 00:23:48,167 you know, when you were born and a child. 554 00:23:48,250 --> 00:23:50,167 It was incredible. 555 00:23:50,250 --> 00:23:51,751 - Before Natasha was born, 556 00:23:51,834 --> 00:23:53,834 she would do a great deal of things with us. 557 00:23:53,918 --> 00:23:55,709 We'd go out, we'd go to SeaWorld, 558 00:23:55,792 --> 00:23:57,083 we'd go to Disneyland, 559 00:23:57,167 --> 00:23:59,375 but then when Natasha was born, 560 00:23:59,459 --> 00:24:02,667 her sole focus, really, I would say, was on Natasha. 561 00:24:02,751 --> 00:24:04,375 ♪ ♪ 562 00:24:13,375 --> 00:24:17,334 - Richard felt that Natalie was so involved 563 00:24:17,417 --> 00:24:19,125 and emotionally connected to Natasha 564 00:24:19,209 --> 00:24:21,751 that there wasn't any room for him, 565 00:24:21,834 --> 00:24:23,667 so he did something really stupid 566 00:24:23,751 --> 00:24:25,542 and got thrown out. 567 00:24:25,626 --> 00:24:27,542 - What happened when you and Mommy got divorced? 568 00:24:45,792 --> 00:24:47,000 - Changed the locks, I think. 569 00:24:57,125 --> 00:24:58,709 - I love the story 570 00:24:58,792 --> 00:25:00,500 about how you and Mommy reconnected 571 00:25:00,584 --> 00:25:03,125 at your friend John Foreman's party. 572 00:25:03,209 --> 00:25:05,083 - We saw each other at this party, 573 00:25:05,167 --> 00:25:07,667 and so the sparks sort of flew a little bit, 574 00:25:07,751 --> 00:25:09,542 and then I offered to drive her home, 575 00:25:09,626 --> 00:25:12,209 and I did drive her home and dropped her off 576 00:25:12,292 --> 00:25:13,918 and said good night to her, and... 577 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,751 - And then she got into her house on Bentley 578 00:25:17,834 --> 00:25:20,751 and started to cry, 579 00:25:20,834 --> 00:25:22,250 and then what did you do? 580 00:25:22,334 --> 00:25:24,250 - I drove down the street, and I stopped, 581 00:25:24,334 --> 00:25:27,459 and I had tears in my eyes as well. 582 00:25:27,542 --> 00:25:28,709 - Because you guys realized 583 00:25:28,792 --> 00:25:30,751 that you still missed each other. 584 00:25:30,834 --> 00:25:33,500 - How come you got married to Bob Wagner again? 585 00:25:33,584 --> 00:25:34,792 - Again? - I mean, and how does it feel 586 00:25:34,876 --> 00:25:38,042 when you marry your husband after you divorced him? 587 00:25:38,125 --> 00:25:39,500 And if you don't want to talk about it, we'll pass. 588 00:25:39,584 --> 00:25:40,584 - Oh, it feels terrific. 589 00:25:40,667 --> 00:25:41,834 I don't mind talking about it. - Okay. 590 00:25:41,918 --> 00:25:43,209 - I was just fortunate, you know? 591 00:25:43,292 --> 00:25:45,375 Timing was on our side. 592 00:25:45,459 --> 00:25:48,667 We happened to meet at a time when we were both free. 593 00:25:48,751 --> 00:25:51,626 The fact that we both had feelings toward the other one 594 00:25:51,709 --> 00:25:53,083 we didn't keep to ourselves. 595 00:25:53,167 --> 00:25:54,667 I mean, we managed to convey that. 596 00:25:54,751 --> 00:25:57,667 Because I really had no idea that RJ 597 00:25:57,751 --> 00:26:00,500 felt something still toward me, even though I knew that I did, 598 00:26:00,584 --> 00:26:03,125 and he felt the same way and didn't know if I did. 599 00:26:03,209 --> 00:26:07,167 But luckily, we didn't keep that to ourselves. 600 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:11,584 - I came into Natalie's life through RJ. 601 00:26:11,667 --> 00:26:15,083 RJ married my mother, 602 00:26:15,167 --> 00:26:17,042 and when RJ and my mother divorced, 603 00:26:17,125 --> 00:26:19,334 I remained very close to RJ, 604 00:26:19,417 --> 00:26:23,000 so when he started seeing Natalie again, 605 00:26:23,083 --> 00:26:26,459 naturally, that's how I was introduced to Natalie, 606 00:26:26,542 --> 00:26:28,709 and after college, 607 00:26:28,792 --> 00:26:31,626 Natalie said, "Come and live in our guest house," 608 00:26:31,709 --> 00:26:33,876 and I stayed there for years, 609 00:26:33,959 --> 00:26:35,334 and that's when we became really close. 610 00:26:35,417 --> 00:26:37,500 You know, and it was clear, seeing them together, 611 00:26:37,584 --> 00:26:40,167 that they loved each other, but it was more. 612 00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:44,042 It seemed to me that they should be together. 613 00:26:44,125 --> 00:26:46,876 This seemed right. 614 00:26:46,959 --> 00:26:49,375 - When you and Mommy got back together, 615 00:26:49,459 --> 00:26:52,083 she was a mom and you were a dad. 616 00:26:52,167 --> 00:26:53,626 - That's right. - And you guys had had 617 00:26:53,709 --> 00:26:55,167 ten years between. 618 00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:57,626 So had you both really grown up? 619 00:26:57,709 --> 00:26:58,834 - I think so. 620 00:26:58,918 --> 00:27:00,209 You know, when we were younger, 621 00:27:00,292 --> 00:27:02,334 we were very interested in our careers 622 00:27:02,417 --> 00:27:03,918 and where we could go with it, 623 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,834 and that became less important the second time. 624 00:27:06,918 --> 00:27:09,876 I mean, it had more to do with us 625 00:27:09,959 --> 00:27:13,209 and you and Katie. 626 00:27:13,292 --> 00:27:15,250 - It was pretty exciting to be a part of that 627 00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:16,834 relationship and that love affair. 628 00:27:17,459 --> 00:27:19,626 And then they got married the second time around 629 00:27:19,709 --> 00:27:21,167 on the "Ramblin' Rose," 630 00:27:21,250 --> 00:27:22,334 and it was just an incredible day. 631 00:27:22,417 --> 00:27:23,709 It was a small group of people, 632 00:27:23,792 --> 00:27:25,375 probably about 30 people. 633 00:27:25,459 --> 00:27:28,626 [gentle music] 634 00:27:28,709 --> 00:27:30,542 - We got married in Paradise Cove, 635 00:27:30,626 --> 00:27:32,709 and then we went from Paradise Cove 636 00:27:32,792 --> 00:27:33,876 over to the Isthmus, 637 00:27:33,959 --> 00:27:36,209 and we spent our honeymoon in Catalina. 638 00:27:36,292 --> 00:27:39,334 ♪ ♪ 639 00:27:39,417 --> 00:27:41,500 - Clearly, RJ was the love of her life, 640 00:27:41,584 --> 00:27:42,709 because when they got back together, 641 00:27:42,792 --> 00:27:45,667 it was like just two parts of the same whole 642 00:27:45,751 --> 00:27:47,000 coming together again, 643 00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:49,334 and I saw her in a more complete way. 644 00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:51,792 You know, she was totally happy. 645 00:27:51,876 --> 00:27:54,250 ♪ ♪ 646 00:27:54,334 --> 00:27:56,083 - Natalie, you tried natural childbirth 647 00:27:56,167 --> 00:27:57,417 with your second child. 648 00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:59,417 - Well, with my first child, I did have-- 649 00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:00,751 - You tried it? - I was awake, 650 00:28:00,834 --> 00:28:02,042 and I watched Natasha being born. 651 00:28:02,125 --> 00:28:03,584 - Mm-hmm. - And with Courtney, 652 00:28:03,667 --> 00:28:05,083 suddenly, there were complications, 653 00:28:05,167 --> 00:28:08,417 you know, after about 17 or 18 hours of labor, 654 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:10,584 and all of a sudden, the doctor said, 655 00:28:10,667 --> 00:28:12,626 "Oh, no, this is gonna be an emergency section," 656 00:28:12,709 --> 00:28:13,918 and he got Courtney out in two minutes, 657 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,250 saved her life. 658 00:28:15,334 --> 00:28:18,834 ♪ ♪ 659 00:28:18,918 --> 00:28:22,167 - I was born March 9, 1974, 660 00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:23,876 and I think there was a big-- 661 00:28:23,959 --> 00:28:25,959 like, a whole thing in the paper 662 00:28:26,042 --> 00:28:28,876 saying that, like, I was near death and-- 663 00:28:28,959 --> 00:28:31,292 but I was the lovechild. [laughs] 664 00:28:31,375 --> 00:28:38,250 ♪ ♪ 665 00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:41,459 - I had had Katie with Marion, 666 00:28:41,542 --> 00:28:44,167 and she had had Natasha with Richard, 667 00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:46,417 and we had Courtney together, 668 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:49,459 so we were--we were thrilled. 669 00:28:49,542 --> 00:28:52,209 - Do you know something more the second time around? 670 00:28:52,292 --> 00:28:54,876 - I know to appreciate him for what-- 671 00:28:54,959 --> 00:28:56,500 - Oh, you're taking the blame, huh? 672 00:28:56,584 --> 00:28:57,626 You didn't appreciate him first time around? 673 00:28:57,709 --> 00:28:58,959 - No, no, no. Not necessarily. 674 00:28:59,042 --> 00:29:01,083 I think we both appreciate each other more, 675 00:29:01,167 --> 00:29:04,250 and I think we know each other better as people, 676 00:29:04,334 --> 00:29:05,792 and we're kind of on the same wavelength. 677 00:29:05,876 --> 00:29:07,292 You know, we like to do the same things, 678 00:29:07,375 --> 00:29:09,083 and we like hanging out together. 679 00:29:09,167 --> 00:29:10,751 We like hanging out with the kids. 680 00:29:10,834 --> 00:29:14,375 ♪ ♪ 681 00:29:14,459 --> 00:29:16,334 - When we got married, we were living in the Springs. 682 00:29:16,417 --> 00:29:18,834 I had this home in Palm Springs. 683 00:29:18,918 --> 00:29:20,500 And then we found this house 684 00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:22,876 on Cañon Drive in Beverly Hills, 685 00:29:22,959 --> 00:29:25,709 and then we bought that and moved into there. 686 00:29:28,959 --> 00:29:31,834 - When we were all very much a family in the '70s, 687 00:29:31,918 --> 00:29:34,042 it was you, Mommy, Courtney, and I, 688 00:29:34,125 --> 00:29:36,125 and Katie came and lived with us, 689 00:29:36,209 --> 00:29:37,959 and that was our group 690 00:29:38,042 --> 00:29:40,834 with visits from Josh and Peter, 691 00:29:40,918 --> 00:29:43,292 Sarah, Charlotte, and Hugo. 692 00:29:43,375 --> 00:29:45,000 - The guest house was rather filled, wasn't it? 693 00:29:45,083 --> 00:29:46,918 - Yeah, it was always turning over, 694 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,125 and many, many dogs, 695 00:29:48,209 --> 00:29:49,959 many cats, many birds, many-- 696 00:29:50,042 --> 00:29:51,209 - Lizards. - Lizards. 697 00:29:51,292 --> 00:29:53,292 - Ducks. - [laughs] 698 00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:56,542 - We had this amazing nanny named Willie Mae 699 00:29:56,626 --> 00:29:58,250 who lived with us until she passed away 700 00:29:58,334 --> 00:30:00,209 at the age of 90. 701 00:30:00,292 --> 00:30:01,417 - Great lady. 702 00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:04,209 - I was really attached to Willie Mae. 703 00:30:04,292 --> 00:30:06,500 I was always much more attached to Willie Mae, 704 00:30:06,584 --> 00:30:07,751 really, than my mom. 705 00:30:07,834 --> 00:30:09,459 I felt that Natasha had my mom 706 00:30:09,542 --> 00:30:10,751 and I had Willie Mae. 707 00:30:10,834 --> 00:30:12,334 And then, you know, we had each other, 708 00:30:12,417 --> 00:30:15,000 but I just--I don't know what it was about Willie Mae. 709 00:30:15,083 --> 00:30:17,042 I just loved Willie Mae so much. 710 00:30:17,125 --> 00:30:19,834 - Willie Mae Worthen was the nanny, 711 00:30:19,918 --> 00:30:21,000 who I adored. 712 00:30:21,083 --> 00:30:22,209 Everybody adored her. 713 00:30:22,292 --> 00:30:25,667 She was this six-foot giant from down South, 714 00:30:25,751 --> 00:30:28,292 very brusque but loving. 715 00:30:28,375 --> 00:30:30,751 She was part of the family. 716 00:30:30,834 --> 00:30:33,334 And I was Natalie Wood's personal assistant 717 00:30:33,417 --> 00:30:34,667 for four years. 718 00:30:34,751 --> 00:30:36,375 My office was literally 719 00:30:36,459 --> 00:30:38,417 in the corner of the master bedroom. 720 00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:40,626 These two were in bed. [laughs] 721 00:30:40,709 --> 00:30:43,083 It was quite-- it was quite funny, actually, 722 00:30:43,167 --> 00:30:46,417 to be in that situation, having come from an office. 723 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:50,500 And Natalie would give incredible parties, 724 00:30:50,584 --> 00:30:51,918 but the main one each year 725 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,959 would be the New Year's Eve party. 726 00:30:54,042 --> 00:30:55,000 The guests would come. 727 00:30:55,083 --> 00:30:56,876 There would be George Segal and his wife. 728 00:30:56,959 --> 00:30:59,209 There would be Gregory Peck, Jimmy Stewart, 729 00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:00,709 Roddy McDowall. 730 00:31:00,792 --> 00:31:01,918 - I look to my right, 731 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,083 and there I saw, 732 00:31:04,167 --> 00:31:06,125 I swear to God, 733 00:31:06,209 --> 00:31:09,375 Fred Astaire singing Cole Porter 734 00:31:09,459 --> 00:31:11,042 with a pianist accompanying him, 735 00:31:11,125 --> 00:31:12,417 and he finished his song, 736 00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:14,042 and everybody burst into applause. 737 00:31:14,125 --> 00:31:15,584 - Those parties were the best. 738 00:31:15,667 --> 00:31:17,417 You'd be talking to someone 739 00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:21,125 and turn around, and, ooh, Sir Laurence Olivier. 740 00:31:21,209 --> 00:31:23,292 Now I have to figure out what kind of conversation 741 00:31:23,375 --> 00:31:25,125 I can have with him. 742 00:31:25,209 --> 00:31:29,292 And the house was just so full of love 743 00:31:29,375 --> 00:31:31,292 and happiness, 744 00:31:31,375 --> 00:31:34,459 it made you feel good to be there. 745 00:31:34,542 --> 00:31:35,626 - So many people coming and going 746 00:31:35,709 --> 00:31:37,959 in the Cañon Drive house that were not only famous 747 00:31:38,042 --> 00:31:39,292 but just friends, you know, 748 00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:40,584 really, really great friends. 749 00:31:40,667 --> 00:31:42,626 They had parties all the time. 750 00:31:42,709 --> 00:31:44,375 You know, our holidays were huge. 751 00:31:44,459 --> 00:31:46,459 Courtney got as many presents at Natasha's birthday 752 00:31:46,542 --> 00:31:49,042 as Natasha got at Courtney's birthday. 753 00:31:49,125 --> 00:31:52,042 [gentle piano music] 754 00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:59,125 ♪ ♪ 755 00:32:00,417 --> 00:32:02,000 - Everything was heaven. 756 00:32:02,083 --> 00:32:05,334 The house was so beautiful and also welcoming, 757 00:32:05,417 --> 00:32:07,834 and Natalie was so candid, 758 00:32:07,918 --> 00:32:10,292 and the focus was the children, not the grown-ups. 759 00:32:10,375 --> 00:32:13,876 ♪ ♪ 760 00:32:13,959 --> 00:32:16,500 - I remember the parties. I remember the laughter. 761 00:32:16,584 --> 00:32:18,834 I remember they were so in love with each other, 762 00:32:18,918 --> 00:32:20,876 and my mom would always say, 763 00:32:20,959 --> 00:32:22,542 "Oh, RJ, honestly!" 764 00:32:22,626 --> 00:32:24,751 but then she would, like, break out laughing. 765 00:32:24,834 --> 00:32:26,792 They were just always laughing. 766 00:32:26,876 --> 00:32:29,500 - That connection that they had 767 00:32:29,584 --> 00:32:31,417 is what I remember growing up. 768 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,083 And they were always buying each other presents, 769 00:32:34,167 --> 00:32:36,459 and my mom was always concocting 770 00:32:36,542 --> 00:32:38,125 some kind of an incredible surprise 771 00:32:38,209 --> 00:32:40,375 for my dad that she would tell us about. 772 00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:44,209 - The most important thing for me is my family 773 00:32:44,292 --> 00:32:46,083 and my husband, my kids. 774 00:32:46,167 --> 00:32:47,709 That's why we like spending a lot of time on the boat, 775 00:32:47,792 --> 00:32:50,042 where we really are just a family 776 00:32:50,125 --> 00:32:52,709 and there aren't a lot of other things to relate to. 777 00:32:52,792 --> 00:32:55,626 - We got a boat together, the "Splendour," 778 00:32:55,709 --> 00:32:57,751 and we spent most weekends 779 00:32:57,834 --> 00:32:59,584 and most vacations in Catalina. 780 00:32:59,667 --> 00:33:01,667 We spent a lot of time on that island. 781 00:33:03,125 --> 00:33:05,167 - Natalie never cooked at home, 782 00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:07,667 but she would always cook breakfast on the boat, 783 00:33:07,751 --> 00:33:09,918 and it was huevos rancheros, 784 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000 and she enjoyed the boat. 785 00:33:12,083 --> 00:33:15,042 You know, she'd have the hat on and the outfit. 786 00:33:15,125 --> 00:33:17,167 It was fun for the family, and it was fun 787 00:33:17,250 --> 00:33:20,375 for RJ and Natalie to get away as well. 788 00:33:20,459 --> 00:33:27,542 ♪ ♪ 789 00:33:31,834 --> 00:33:34,209 - My parents were very relaxed on the boat. 790 00:33:34,292 --> 00:33:36,918 They'd bring other friends, or we'd bring our friends. 791 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,292 We'd go to Catalina. We'd go to Emerald Bay. 792 00:33:39,375 --> 00:33:40,751 We'd go to the Isthmus. 793 00:33:40,834 --> 00:33:43,834 And it was a really happy time for us there. 794 00:33:46,959 --> 00:33:49,375 - As we reported earlier, actress Natalie Wood 795 00:33:49,459 --> 00:33:50,709 was found dead today. 796 00:33:50,792 --> 00:33:52,417 Her body was discovered fully clothed 797 00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:54,792 in waters off Santa Catalina Island. 798 00:33:54,876 --> 00:33:57,042 Los Angeles County officials can only confirm 799 00:33:57,125 --> 00:33:59,334 the 43-year-old Ms. Wood drowned, 800 00:33:59,417 --> 00:34:01,876 but nothing further on the circumstances. 801 00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:04,584 David Burrington reports. 802 00:34:04,667 --> 00:34:06,167 - Natalie Wood and her husband, 803 00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:07,626 actor Robert Wagner, 804 00:34:07,709 --> 00:34:09,292 had sailed to Catalina Island 805 00:34:09,375 --> 00:34:12,000 to spend the holiday weekend with friends. 806 00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:14,083 Apparently, they had returned to their yacht, 807 00:34:14,167 --> 00:34:16,459 the "Splendour," after dinner, 808 00:34:16,542 --> 00:34:18,167 when Natalie went back out on the water 809 00:34:18,250 --> 00:34:19,751 in this rubber boat. 810 00:34:19,834 --> 00:34:22,459 Exactly what happened then, nobody knows, 811 00:34:22,542 --> 00:34:24,959 but her body was found after dawn this morning 812 00:34:25,042 --> 00:34:28,125 in a small cove not far from the rubber boat. 813 00:34:28,209 --> 00:34:29,918 - It was on the news, 814 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,500 and I called our mutual friend Leonard Gershe, 815 00:34:32,584 --> 00:34:35,000 and I said, "Is Natalie all right?" 816 00:34:35,083 --> 00:34:38,125 And he said, "No. Nat's..." 817 00:34:38,209 --> 00:34:41,125 [somber music] 818 00:34:41,209 --> 00:34:42,626 ♪ ♪ 819 00:34:42,709 --> 00:34:44,626 Natalie was gone. 820 00:34:44,709 --> 00:34:47,667 - I remember being devastated by that news 821 00:34:47,751 --> 00:34:52,167 and, having such affection for her, 822 00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:53,959 hurt by the news. 823 00:34:54,042 --> 00:34:55,542 - The phone rang, 824 00:34:55,626 --> 00:34:57,167 and I pick up the phone... 825 00:34:57,250 --> 00:35:01,209 [clears throat] And RJ screams 826 00:35:01,292 --> 00:35:02,834 into the phone... 827 00:35:02,918 --> 00:35:04,334 [sighs] 828 00:35:04,417 --> 00:35:06,667 ♪ ♪ 829 00:35:06,751 --> 00:35:08,834 "She's gone!" 830 00:35:08,918 --> 00:35:12,125 - My brother Peter Donen called me--my late brother-- 831 00:35:12,209 --> 00:35:13,792 called me about 6:00 in the morning, 832 00:35:13,876 --> 00:35:16,292 and he--I picked up my phone in my room, 833 00:35:16,375 --> 00:35:20,292 and he said, "Natalie's dead. She drowned." 834 00:35:20,375 --> 00:35:22,000 And I thought to myself, "Well, she drowned, 835 00:35:22,083 --> 00:35:23,375 but she'll be back, right?" 836 00:35:23,459 --> 00:35:25,083 I mean, that weird thing that you think 837 00:35:25,167 --> 00:35:26,959 when you hear something like that. 838 00:35:27,042 --> 00:35:28,334 - I was walking along the beach, 839 00:35:28,417 --> 00:35:30,042 and it was early in the morning, 840 00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:32,834 and I saw my brother 841 00:35:32,918 --> 00:35:34,459 came out onto the beach, 842 00:35:34,542 --> 00:35:36,417 and he came over to me; he put his arms around me. 843 00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:38,751 He said, "Natalie's died." 844 00:35:38,834 --> 00:35:41,125 And I was just in a state of shock. 845 00:35:41,209 --> 00:35:44,292 - That was one of the worst mornings 846 00:35:44,375 --> 00:35:46,876 that we've ever experienced. 847 00:35:46,959 --> 00:35:51,375 So we got in the car and went over to Cañon, 848 00:35:51,459 --> 00:35:54,000 and already, there was press out in the street 849 00:35:54,083 --> 00:35:56,042 and cameras and all of that, 850 00:35:56,125 --> 00:35:58,292 and we were there before RJ was there. 851 00:35:58,375 --> 00:36:00,667 - Eventually, RJ came home, 852 00:36:00,751 --> 00:36:02,250 and we went downstairs, 853 00:36:02,334 --> 00:36:05,500 and he came in looking like death. 854 00:36:05,584 --> 00:36:09,000 - I remember Willie Mae woke me up, 855 00:36:09,083 --> 00:36:13,584 and I could hear my sister Natasha crying, 856 00:36:13,667 --> 00:36:15,250 and I saw all of these people 857 00:36:15,334 --> 00:36:16,959 in the living room, 858 00:36:17,042 --> 00:36:18,751 and I was walking down the steps, 859 00:36:18,834 --> 00:36:21,250 and my dad was at the edge of the steps, 860 00:36:21,334 --> 00:36:23,792 and he said to me, "You know, you're not gonna see 861 00:36:23,876 --> 00:36:25,167 your mom anymore." 862 00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:29,000 - He said, "But I want you to know 863 00:36:29,083 --> 00:36:31,209 "that we're going to be all right. 864 00:36:31,292 --> 00:36:33,167 "We're staying together, 865 00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:35,042 "we're still a family, 866 00:36:35,125 --> 00:36:37,584 and we're gonna get through this." 867 00:36:37,667 --> 00:36:40,876 It was heavy-duty stuff, 868 00:36:40,959 --> 00:36:43,584 and he just clung on to them 869 00:36:43,667 --> 00:36:45,375 and they on him. 870 00:36:45,459 --> 00:36:48,584 - It's like, the instant that my mom passed away 871 00:36:48,667 --> 00:36:52,292 is like the air in the balloon that was our life, you know, 872 00:36:52,375 --> 00:36:54,292 it just--it just-- 873 00:36:54,375 --> 00:36:57,250 you know, it just-- the party was over. 874 00:37:03,667 --> 00:37:06,667 - I remember hearing that my grandma fainted, 875 00:37:06,751 --> 00:37:08,459 but I remember that I didn't want 876 00:37:08,542 --> 00:37:10,125 to be around my grandma 877 00:37:10,209 --> 00:37:12,667 because she was too hysterical. 878 00:37:12,751 --> 00:37:15,417 I think I was more of a private griever, 879 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:20,083 and my grandma was so kind of colorful 880 00:37:20,167 --> 00:37:22,792 with her grief, 881 00:37:22,876 --> 00:37:25,417 so I didn't feel safe around her. 882 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:28,250 - I remember my grandmother being really-- 883 00:37:28,334 --> 00:37:30,959 I mean, talk about someone that was checked out. 884 00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:33,167 I mean, she would just faint, you know. 885 00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:35,209 She was very dramatic too. 886 00:37:35,292 --> 00:37:37,000 I mean, there would be times where you would hear 887 00:37:37,083 --> 00:37:39,584 that, like, she suddenly just got frightened 888 00:37:39,667 --> 00:37:40,709 and she ran into a wall 889 00:37:40,792 --> 00:37:41,876 because she wasn't paying attention. 890 00:37:41,959 --> 00:37:44,042 I mean, she was just-- you know, this was a woman 891 00:37:44,125 --> 00:37:46,083 that was grief-stricken 892 00:37:46,167 --> 00:37:50,667 and whose whole life revolved around her daughter. 893 00:37:50,751 --> 00:37:53,334 [pizzicato music] 894 00:37:53,417 --> 00:37:55,584 - My mom's parents, my grandparents, 895 00:37:55,667 --> 00:37:57,876 were Nick and Maria Gurdin. 896 00:37:57,959 --> 00:38:00,083 They spoke with these thick Russian accents 897 00:38:00,167 --> 00:38:01,792 because they were both immigrants 898 00:38:01,876 --> 00:38:04,542 who met and married in San Francisco. 899 00:38:04,626 --> 00:38:07,500 My mom called her parents Mud and Fad, 900 00:38:07,584 --> 00:38:09,626 short for Mudda and Fadda. 901 00:38:09,709 --> 00:38:12,125 My mom was the middle child of three girls. 902 00:38:12,209 --> 00:38:14,500 She had an older half sister named Olga 903 00:38:14,584 --> 00:38:16,542 who was ten years older than her 904 00:38:16,626 --> 00:38:20,459 and a younger sister, Lana, who was eight years younger. 905 00:38:20,542 --> 00:38:23,042 - My parents moved from San Francisco 906 00:38:23,125 --> 00:38:26,125 to Santa Rosa when I was about two, I think, 907 00:38:26,209 --> 00:38:28,876 and then a movie company came to Santa Rosa 908 00:38:28,959 --> 00:38:31,500 on location, and they needed a little girl 909 00:38:31,584 --> 00:38:33,375 to drop an ice cream cone and cry, 910 00:38:33,459 --> 00:38:36,292 and I think my mama gave me a little nudge 911 00:38:36,375 --> 00:38:38,083 in the right direction and said, 912 00:38:38,167 --> 00:38:39,751 "Why don't you go talk to that nice man, 913 00:38:39,834 --> 00:38:41,417 sing him some of your songs?" 914 00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:43,959 And... [laughs] 915 00:38:44,042 --> 00:38:47,167 So I did, and he chose me to drop the ice cream cone, 916 00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:50,918 and then he remembered me a year later 917 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,667 when he was doing "Tomorrow is Forever." 918 00:38:52,751 --> 00:38:54,125 His name was Irving Pichel, 919 00:38:54,209 --> 00:38:55,792 and he wrote to my parents and said 920 00:38:55,876 --> 00:38:57,751 that he would like to have me come 921 00:38:57,834 --> 00:38:59,626 to Los Angeles and do a screen test 922 00:38:59,709 --> 00:39:02,125 because he had a part for a young German girl, 923 00:39:02,209 --> 00:39:04,918 and against my father's deeper wishes, 924 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,709 my mother and I traveled down by train, 925 00:39:07,792 --> 00:39:10,042 and I made the screen test, got the part, 926 00:39:10,125 --> 00:39:13,792 and it seemed a good idea to move down to Los Angeles, 927 00:39:13,876 --> 00:39:16,209 which we then did, and my father began working 928 00:39:16,292 --> 00:39:19,500 in the miniature prop department at the studios, 929 00:39:19,584 --> 00:39:21,209 so we would sometimes bump into each other. 930 00:39:21,292 --> 00:39:23,542 We were both working. 931 00:39:23,626 --> 00:39:25,834 Shall we go away soon, Father? 932 00:39:25,918 --> 00:39:28,375 [mournful orchestral music] 933 00:39:28,459 --> 00:39:29,876 - Go? 934 00:39:29,959 --> 00:39:32,209 - You said maybe we would leave here. 935 00:39:32,292 --> 00:39:35,000 - I was her first leading man, 936 00:39:35,083 --> 00:39:37,709 and for six or seven takes, 937 00:39:37,792 --> 00:39:40,125 I kept blowing my lines. 938 00:39:40,209 --> 00:39:41,834 Not Natalie. 939 00:39:41,918 --> 00:39:43,334 I think it was her first picture, 940 00:39:43,417 --> 00:39:46,375 but she was already a perfect little pro. 941 00:39:46,459 --> 00:39:47,959 - Well, young lady, what's your name? 942 00:39:48,042 --> 00:39:50,250 - Susan Walker. What's yours? 943 00:39:50,334 --> 00:39:52,459 - Mine? Kriss Kringle. 944 00:39:52,542 --> 00:39:55,042 I'm Santa Claus. 945 00:39:55,125 --> 00:39:57,792 Oh, you don't believe that, do you? 946 00:39:57,876 --> 00:39:59,000 - Mm-mm. 947 00:39:59,083 --> 00:40:00,751 You see, my mother's Mrs. Walker, 948 00:40:00,834 --> 00:40:03,626 the lady who hired you. - Oh. 949 00:40:03,709 --> 00:40:04,792 - But I must say, 950 00:40:04,876 --> 00:40:06,417 you're the best-looking one I've ever seen. 951 00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:08,250 - Really? - Your beard doesn't have 952 00:40:08,334 --> 00:40:10,125 one of those things that goes over your ears. 953 00:40:10,209 --> 00:40:11,584 - Well, that's because it's real, 954 00:40:11,667 --> 00:40:13,876 just like I'm really Santa Claus. 955 00:40:13,959 --> 00:40:17,000 - What stands out about Natalie Wood's performance 956 00:40:17,083 --> 00:40:19,667 in "Miracle on 34th Street" is, 957 00:40:19,751 --> 00:40:21,125 there's no artifice. 958 00:40:21,209 --> 00:40:24,500 She's so watchful and skeptical 959 00:40:24,584 --> 00:40:28,209 and very sure-seeming in who she was, 960 00:40:28,292 --> 00:40:30,500 and then in the end, she had the same dreams 961 00:40:30,584 --> 00:40:33,167 and fantasies as everybody else, 962 00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:36,751 and I think that's what was so appealing about it. 963 00:40:39,459 --> 00:40:42,918 - "The reality of Hollywood was a dash of cold water. 964 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,500 "Instead of glamour, I found myself immersed 965 00:40:45,584 --> 00:40:47,626 "in work and study. 966 00:40:47,709 --> 00:40:49,167 "By the time I was 12, 967 00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:52,375 "my father suffered the first of a series of heart attacks. 968 00:40:52,459 --> 00:40:54,876 "For a few years, he couldn't work at all. 969 00:40:54,959 --> 00:40:57,626 "This meant my acting was the sole economic support 970 00:40:57,709 --> 00:40:59,292 "of my family, 971 00:40:59,375 --> 00:41:00,709 "and therefore, getting jobs 972 00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:03,542 "became a tremendous responsibility. 973 00:41:03,626 --> 00:41:05,042 "Sometimes I had nightmares 974 00:41:05,125 --> 00:41:08,959 about the family starving if I didn't act." 975 00:41:09,042 --> 00:41:10,542 - The story I remember 976 00:41:10,626 --> 00:41:11,584 Natalie telling me about her mother 977 00:41:11,667 --> 00:41:14,000 was an audition she went to, 978 00:41:14,083 --> 00:41:17,209 and her mother felt it hadn't gone terribly well, 979 00:41:17,292 --> 00:41:19,918 and on the way out of the studio, 980 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,292 she said to Natalie, 981 00:41:22,375 --> 00:41:24,500 "Well, that wasn't very good, was it? 982 00:41:24,584 --> 00:41:26,834 No new shoes for your sister." 983 00:41:26,918 --> 00:41:28,167 Of course, Natalie was called back 984 00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:30,209 and did get the role, so presumably, 985 00:41:30,292 --> 00:41:32,542 Lana did get her new shoes. 986 00:41:32,626 --> 00:41:34,375 [thunder booming] 987 00:41:34,459 --> 00:41:36,083 But there was a lot of pressure 988 00:41:36,167 --> 00:41:37,500 on young Natalie. 989 00:41:40,042 --> 00:41:42,000 - When she did a film called "The Green Promise," 990 00:41:42,083 --> 00:41:43,918 she injured her wrist... 991 00:41:47,709 --> 00:41:49,083 And it never healed properly, 992 00:41:49,167 --> 00:41:52,083 and so her wrist bone was bigger 993 00:41:52,167 --> 00:41:53,584 on one wrist than the other, 994 00:41:53,667 --> 00:41:55,584 and she felt self-conscious about it, 995 00:41:55,667 --> 00:41:58,959 so she always wore a bracelet to cover it up. 996 00:41:59,042 --> 00:42:00,459 - She had a bracelet she always wore, 997 00:42:00,542 --> 00:42:03,083 and it covered up a thing on her wrist, 998 00:42:03,167 --> 00:42:05,000 and it always kind of made me think, 999 00:42:05,083 --> 00:42:06,876 "This is a woman in total control 1000 00:42:06,959 --> 00:42:10,584 but had a flaw that she was aware of." 1001 00:42:10,667 --> 00:42:12,918 Didn't mean anything, but in a way, 1002 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,584 it made me feel a connection with her vulnerability 1003 00:42:16,667 --> 00:42:19,167 and this childhood stardom that she had had 1004 00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:21,375 that she was childhood star, huge. 1005 00:42:21,459 --> 00:42:24,209 - Don't you know that children should be seen and not heard? 1006 00:42:24,292 --> 00:42:25,918 - Not according to Jeremiah. 1007 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,334 "Say not I am a child, 1008 00:42:27,417 --> 00:42:29,626 "for thou shalt go to all that I shalt send thee, 1009 00:42:29,709 --> 00:42:32,542 and whatsoever I command thee, thou shalt speak." 1010 00:42:32,626 --> 00:42:35,042 - Steven, will you take her away from here? 1011 00:42:35,125 --> 00:42:36,751 - Did you not feel that you were missing 1012 00:42:36,834 --> 00:42:38,542 a lot of the fun of being a child? 1013 00:42:38,626 --> 00:42:40,292 - Well, I wasn't aware of it at the time, you know? 1014 00:42:40,375 --> 00:42:41,626 I mean, I guess I wasn't aware 1015 00:42:41,709 --> 00:42:44,125 that other kids did other things. 1016 00:42:44,209 --> 00:42:47,209 And then when I was about 12, 1017 00:42:47,292 --> 00:42:48,959 I started going to a regular school 1018 00:42:49,042 --> 00:42:50,459 in between jobs, 1019 00:42:50,542 --> 00:42:52,626 and I did feel a bit of a misfit then 1020 00:42:52,709 --> 00:42:53,834 during that period, 1021 00:42:53,918 --> 00:42:55,792 because I was so comfortable with adults 1022 00:42:55,876 --> 00:42:57,417 and rather uncomfortable with kids, 1023 00:42:57,500 --> 00:42:59,292 having not been around very many. 1024 00:42:59,375 --> 00:43:02,542 ♪ ♪ 1025 00:43:02,626 --> 00:43:05,375 - I met Natalie Wood in junior high. 1026 00:43:05,459 --> 00:43:07,125 She was very nice, very pleasant. 1027 00:43:07,209 --> 00:43:10,667 She wasn't, "Ha, look at me. I'm a movie star," 1028 00:43:10,751 --> 00:43:12,334 not with anyone in the school, 1029 00:43:12,417 --> 00:43:14,667 and they didn't treat her like she was. 1030 00:43:14,751 --> 00:43:16,709 But we became fast friends, 1031 00:43:16,792 --> 00:43:19,334 and her mother was very protective 1032 00:43:19,417 --> 00:43:22,334 of who she chatted with, who she went out with, 1033 00:43:22,417 --> 00:43:25,000 and I passed her mother's test. 1034 00:43:25,083 --> 00:43:28,417 [laughs] So that was good. 1035 00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:31,125 - Natalie's parents were very involved with her. 1036 00:43:31,209 --> 00:43:33,459 They knew everything that she did 1037 00:43:33,542 --> 00:43:35,459 and where she went and what she wore, 1038 00:43:35,542 --> 00:43:37,959 and they were helicopter parents, you know? 1039 00:43:38,042 --> 00:43:41,626 They were always hovering around her all the time. 1040 00:43:41,709 --> 00:43:44,792 - Natalie's father, Nick, he was very quiet. 1041 00:43:44,876 --> 00:43:46,417 When I met him, 1042 00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,584 I think he had developed a heart problem, 1043 00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:51,375 and he generally was a quiet, gentle man, 1044 00:43:51,459 --> 00:43:52,417 that I knew. 1045 00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:54,751 Didn't have a lot of dialogue with him, 1046 00:43:54,834 --> 00:43:56,542 but with Maria, I did. 1047 00:43:56,626 --> 00:43:58,250 She was a strange lady. 1048 00:43:58,334 --> 00:44:00,542 She would say, "Don't walk on that side of the road 1049 00:44:00,626 --> 00:44:01,876 "when the sun is shining, 1050 00:44:01,959 --> 00:44:04,083 because you'll be struck down." 1051 00:44:04,167 --> 00:44:07,292 And lots of little fears. 1052 00:44:07,375 --> 00:44:10,334 - My grandma was incredibly superstitious, 1053 00:44:10,417 --> 00:44:12,542 so she filled my mom's head 1054 00:44:12,626 --> 00:44:15,000 with all kinds of crazy stories. 1055 00:44:15,083 --> 00:44:19,167 - I've always been terrified-- still am--of water, 1056 00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:22,334 dark water, seawater or, you know, river water. 1057 00:44:22,417 --> 00:44:25,667 - There's this story that a gypsy told my grandma 1058 00:44:25,751 --> 00:44:29,375 that her second daughter would become world-famous... 1059 00:44:30,626 --> 00:44:31,626 - Oh! 1060 00:44:31,709 --> 00:44:33,375 - But to beware of dark water. 1061 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,375 - Can you swim? 1062 00:44:37,459 --> 00:44:38,709 - A little! 1063 00:44:38,792 --> 00:44:40,626 - All right, cut. 1064 00:44:40,709 --> 00:44:42,459 - People are fixated on the fact 1065 00:44:42,542 --> 00:44:44,250 that my mom was afraid of dark water, 1066 00:44:44,334 --> 00:44:46,459 I think, simply because she drowned. 1067 00:44:46,542 --> 00:44:48,584 But, you know, as a child, she was in the pool with us 1068 00:44:48,667 --> 00:44:50,542 all the time, and she and I 1069 00:44:50,626 --> 00:44:52,918 never talked about her fear of dark water, 1070 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,500 so it never felt like this big thing. 1071 00:44:56,584 --> 00:44:58,459 I mean, who likes dark water? 1072 00:44:58,542 --> 00:45:01,125 It's not very enticing. 1073 00:45:01,209 --> 00:45:03,542 But my grandma was so fantastical. 1074 00:45:03,626 --> 00:45:07,334 She was so twirling and swirling with stories 1075 00:45:07,417 --> 00:45:09,834 that I don't know what was real and what wasn't. 1076 00:45:09,918 --> 00:45:11,918 - I remember Natalie was in bed, 1077 00:45:12,042 --> 00:45:13,584 studying her script, 1078 00:45:13,667 --> 00:45:17,209 and Maria was in one of the second bedrooms, 1079 00:45:17,292 --> 00:45:20,542 and all of a sudden, she started to tremble, 1080 00:45:20,626 --> 00:45:22,167 and her eyes rolled up, 1081 00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:25,459 and I dashed back into the room to Natalie. 1082 00:45:25,542 --> 00:45:27,667 I put her on the bed, and I said, "Natalie, 1083 00:45:27,751 --> 00:45:29,334 "your mother, she's ill. 1084 00:45:29,417 --> 00:45:31,792 I think she's having an epileptic fit." 1085 00:45:31,876 --> 00:45:33,834 And so Natalie said... 1086 00:45:35,209 --> 00:45:37,876 "She'll be all right in a minute." 1087 00:45:37,959 --> 00:45:39,250 Never blinked an eye. 1088 00:45:39,334 --> 00:45:41,042 And it was from then I learned 1089 00:45:41,125 --> 00:45:44,751 that this was a regular habit of Maria's to get attention. 1090 00:45:44,834 --> 00:45:46,751 - My mom's very complicated relationship 1091 00:45:46,834 --> 00:45:48,876 with my grandma and being a daughter 1092 00:45:48,959 --> 00:45:51,250 of a narcissistic, controlling, 1093 00:45:51,334 --> 00:45:53,626 possessive mother-- 1094 00:45:53,709 --> 00:45:56,167 I mean, that's played out in so many of her films. 1095 00:45:56,250 --> 00:46:00,125 - On "Gypsy," your mother actually said to me, 1096 00:46:00,209 --> 00:46:01,792 "I don't know how I'm gonna play 1097 00:46:01,876 --> 00:46:03,834 this last scene," 1098 00:46:03,918 --> 00:46:07,167 and I just nearly fell on the floor, and I said, 1099 00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:09,918 "What?" [both laugh] 1100 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,542 "You don't know how to play that scene? 1101 00:46:12,626 --> 00:46:15,083 "I mean, just look at Rosalind Russell in the eye 1102 00:46:15,167 --> 00:46:17,792 "and pretend it's your mother, 1103 00:46:17,876 --> 00:46:19,959 "it's Maria Gurdin, 1104 00:46:20,042 --> 00:46:21,459 and you got it." 1105 00:46:21,542 --> 00:46:24,792 - Mama, look at me now! I'm a star! 1106 00:46:24,876 --> 00:46:26,626 Look! Look how I live! 1107 00:46:26,709 --> 00:46:29,334 Look at my friends. Look where I'm going. 1108 00:46:29,417 --> 00:46:31,000 I'm not staying in burlesque. 1109 00:46:31,083 --> 00:46:33,626 I'm moving, maybe up, maybe down, 1110 00:46:33,709 --> 00:46:36,125 but wherever it is, I'm enjoying it. 1111 00:46:36,209 --> 00:46:37,959 I'm having the time of my life 1112 00:46:38,042 --> 00:46:39,417 because for the first time, 1113 00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:42,042 it is my life, and I love it. 1114 00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:43,584 I love every second of it, 1115 00:46:43,667 --> 00:46:46,375 and I'll be damned if you're gonna take it away from me! 1116 00:46:46,459 --> 00:46:48,000 - Her mother was 1117 00:46:48,083 --> 00:46:50,959 like a lot of mothers of successful people. 1118 00:46:51,042 --> 00:46:52,709 She was determined 1119 00:46:52,792 --> 00:46:55,250 that her daughter was going to be successful, 1120 00:46:55,334 --> 00:46:58,667 I think, and Natalie was. 1121 00:46:58,751 --> 00:47:02,876 - I think she once told me that she didn't really decide 1122 00:47:02,959 --> 00:47:05,417 that that was what she wanted to do 1123 00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:07,000 was be an actress 1124 00:47:07,083 --> 00:47:10,167 until Nick Ray and "Rebel," 1125 00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:11,792 and then it was clear to her 1126 00:47:11,876 --> 00:47:14,542 that she was not just being pushed by her mother 1127 00:47:14,626 --> 00:47:16,042 any longer. - Mm-hmm. 1128 00:47:17,584 --> 00:47:19,792 - He looks at me like 1129 00:47:19,876 --> 00:47:23,417 I was the ugliest thing in the world. 1130 00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:25,459 He doesn't like my friends. 1131 00:47:25,542 --> 00:47:28,542 He doesn't like one thing about me. 1132 00:47:28,626 --> 00:47:32,876 And he called me... 1133 00:47:32,959 --> 00:47:36,250 he called me a dirty tramp! 1134 00:47:36,334 --> 00:47:38,209 My own father! 1135 00:47:38,292 --> 00:47:41,375 - It was a very important film for me personally 1136 00:47:41,459 --> 00:47:43,709 because up until then, I had worked as a child, 1137 00:47:43,792 --> 00:47:46,042 and I had always just done as I was told. 1138 00:47:46,125 --> 00:47:47,667 I was--you know, "You do this picture next, 1139 00:47:47,751 --> 00:47:49,000 and then you do that picture next," 1140 00:47:49,083 --> 00:47:51,584 and I was a rather dutiful child. 1141 00:47:51,667 --> 00:47:54,751 And when my parents read the script of "Rebel," 1142 00:47:54,834 --> 00:47:56,417 they said, "Oh, no, not this one," 1143 00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:57,709 'cause this, you know, showed parents 1144 00:47:57,792 --> 00:48:00,292 in a rather unsympathetic light, 1145 00:48:00,375 --> 00:48:02,167 and yet I read it, and for the first time in my life, 1146 00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:03,459 I said, "Oh, wait a minute. 1147 00:48:03,542 --> 00:48:05,709 I have to do this. I love this." 1148 00:48:05,792 --> 00:48:07,792 You know, I love Judy, and I felt 1149 00:48:07,876 --> 00:48:11,000 very much of a connection, identification with the part, 1150 00:48:11,083 --> 00:48:13,667 and I guess I was going through my first rebellion. 1151 00:48:13,751 --> 00:48:16,042 - My mom wanted to make "Rebel Without a Cause" 1152 00:48:16,125 --> 00:48:18,292 because she knew that it was gonna take her 1153 00:48:18,375 --> 00:48:21,000 away from these sort of good little girl roles 1154 00:48:21,083 --> 00:48:22,918 into leading lady roles, 1155 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,083 and so she fought really hard to get that part. 1156 00:48:26,167 --> 00:48:27,584 - When I was 15 years old 1157 00:48:27,667 --> 00:48:28,959 and doing "Rebel Without a Cause," 1158 00:48:29,042 --> 00:48:30,417 at that time, 1159 00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:31,667 the director and the studios and so forth 1160 00:48:31,751 --> 00:48:32,918 said I was too young, 1161 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,083 even though I was exactly the right age. 1162 00:48:34,167 --> 00:48:35,459 They were sort of testing older girls, 1163 00:48:35,542 --> 00:48:38,751 and they also saw me in pigtails with a pinafore, 1164 00:48:38,834 --> 00:48:40,125 because those were the kind of parts 1165 00:48:40,209 --> 00:48:42,083 that I was associated with. 1166 00:48:42,167 --> 00:48:43,459 So I tested for it 1167 00:48:43,542 --> 00:48:45,000 a number of times, as a matter of fact. 1168 00:48:45,083 --> 00:48:46,334 Well, it's all right now. 1169 00:48:46,417 --> 00:48:48,500 You're our baby now. 1170 00:48:48,584 --> 00:48:50,626 I think I also got into a car accident, 1171 00:48:50,709 --> 00:48:52,792 and instead of telling them to call my parents, 1172 00:48:52,876 --> 00:48:54,000 I told them to call the director 1173 00:48:54,083 --> 00:48:55,167 because one of the policemen 1174 00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:57,500 called me a juvenile delinquent, 1175 00:48:57,584 --> 00:48:58,876 and I said, "Oh, well, then that must mean 1176 00:48:58,959 --> 00:49:02,626 that I have the part." [laughs] 1177 00:49:02,709 --> 00:49:04,834 "Call Nick Ray." 1178 00:49:04,918 --> 00:49:05,959 - There's sort of a famous story 1179 00:49:06,042 --> 00:49:08,042 where she went to the Chateau Marmont 1180 00:49:08,125 --> 00:49:09,209 to get together with Nicholas Ray, 1181 00:49:09,292 --> 00:49:10,792 the director of "Rebel Without a Cause," 1182 00:49:10,876 --> 00:49:13,459 and something intimate went on with the two of them, 1183 00:49:13,542 --> 00:49:14,667 a risky business back then. 1184 00:49:14,751 --> 00:49:17,125 She was underage, and he was older, 1185 00:49:17,209 --> 00:49:18,667 right, so that would've been a problem today. 1186 00:49:18,751 --> 00:49:21,250 - I met Nicholas Ray a couple of times 1187 00:49:21,334 --> 00:49:23,709 even before she was in "Rebel," 1188 00:49:23,792 --> 00:49:27,667 and I knew when we went to Nicholas Ray's apartment 1189 00:49:27,751 --> 00:49:29,876 that I never went upstairs. 1190 00:49:30,542 --> 00:49:32,834 And she would tell me the next day or two 1191 00:49:32,918 --> 00:49:35,500 she just thought she was in love with Nicholas Ray, 1192 00:49:35,584 --> 00:49:37,792 and I said, "Natalie, he's so old." 1193 00:49:37,876 --> 00:49:39,709 She's, "Well, you know I like older men." 1194 00:49:39,792 --> 00:49:41,375 I said, "But this is really old." 1195 00:49:41,459 --> 00:49:43,876 - At no time did any of the gentlemen 1196 00:49:43,959 --> 00:49:45,959 who were considered your bosses-- 1197 00:49:46,042 --> 00:49:47,667 did they ever ask you to do something 1198 00:49:47,751 --> 00:49:51,334 that might be considered immoral? 1199 00:49:51,417 --> 00:49:52,959 - No. 1200 00:49:55,584 --> 00:49:57,209 [light music] 1201 00:49:57,292 --> 00:50:01,167 - Natalie is a product of the studio system: 1202 00:50:01,250 --> 00:50:03,167 getting there on time in the morning, 1203 00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:04,959 working all day long, 1204 00:50:05,042 --> 00:50:07,667 knowing all of her lines all the time. 1205 00:50:07,751 --> 00:50:10,083 That was the training in that system, 1206 00:50:10,167 --> 00:50:13,792 and she came out of it in such a good way. 1207 00:50:13,876 --> 00:50:15,334 Not everybody did, 1208 00:50:15,417 --> 00:50:16,751 because that system 1209 00:50:16,834 --> 00:50:19,584 controlled everything in your life. 1210 00:50:19,667 --> 00:50:22,083 You were just told what pictures you're gonna do 1211 00:50:22,167 --> 00:50:24,918 and what time to report. 1212 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,834 - She was owned by the studio, 1213 00:50:26,918 --> 00:50:28,375 and she didn't want to be owned. 1214 00:50:28,459 --> 00:50:30,709 She wanted to have control over the choices. 1215 00:50:30,792 --> 00:50:33,500 I mean, if she's gonna spend three months doing a film, 1216 00:50:33,584 --> 00:50:35,209 she wants to believe in it, 1217 00:50:35,292 --> 00:50:37,626 so she took on Jack Warner and told him, 1218 00:50:37,709 --> 00:50:38,876 "I'm gonna go on strike 1219 00:50:38,959 --> 00:50:40,250 "because I don't like the roles 1220 00:50:40,334 --> 00:50:42,542 that you're choosing for me." 1221 00:50:42,626 --> 00:50:45,250 - The suspension lasted about 18 months, 1222 00:50:45,334 --> 00:50:47,334 so that--the punishment was 1223 00:50:47,417 --> 00:50:49,334 that if you wouldn't work for them, 1224 00:50:49,417 --> 00:50:50,834 you couldn't work anywhere else either. 1225 00:50:50,918 --> 00:50:52,000 - Right. - It wasn't that I was 1226 00:50:52,083 --> 00:50:52,959 trying to get more money. 1227 00:50:53,042 --> 00:50:54,959 That really wasn't it at all. 1228 00:50:55,042 --> 00:50:57,626 But what I eventually did get the right to do 1229 00:50:57,709 --> 00:51:01,626 was the right to choose one picture a year 1230 00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:02,959 that, you know, was my choice. 1231 00:51:03,042 --> 00:51:04,542 The first one that I was able to choose 1232 00:51:04,626 --> 00:51:05,792 was "West Side Story." 1233 00:51:05,876 --> 00:51:08,125 Tonight is the real beginning of my life 1234 00:51:08,209 --> 00:51:10,751 as a young lady of America. 1235 00:51:10,834 --> 00:51:13,584 - With "West Side Story," she became iconic, 1236 00:51:13,667 --> 00:51:15,125 a great legend. 1237 00:51:15,209 --> 00:51:18,250 I remember going to train stations with Natalie 1238 00:51:18,334 --> 00:51:20,209 or going to airports with her, 1239 00:51:20,292 --> 00:51:23,417 and there--hundreds of people would recognize her. 1240 00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:26,125 - Madre de Dios, I will do anything. 1241 00:51:26,209 --> 00:51:27,792 Make me die, 1242 00:51:27,876 --> 00:51:30,000 only please make it to be true! 1243 00:51:30,083 --> 00:51:32,375 - Today she would never be cast in that role 1244 00:51:32,459 --> 00:51:34,125 because she's not Puerto Rican. 1245 00:51:34,209 --> 00:51:35,584 That was obviously a different time. 1246 00:51:35,667 --> 00:51:36,626 - It's sort of interesting 1247 00:51:36,709 --> 00:51:38,626 that Natalie Wood would not have 1248 00:51:38,709 --> 00:51:42,500 one of her iconic roles today, for sure. 1249 00:51:42,584 --> 00:51:45,334 - You didn't get nominated for an Academy Award 1250 00:51:45,417 --> 00:51:46,334 for "West Side Story," 1251 00:51:46,417 --> 00:51:48,834 but there was a particular reason why. 1252 00:51:48,918 --> 00:51:50,584 - Well, I was nominated for "Splendor in the Grass." 1253 00:51:50,667 --> 00:51:52,459 - Right. [both laugh] 1254 00:51:52,542 --> 00:51:55,042 - By the age of 25, my mom had been nominated 1255 00:51:55,125 --> 00:51:56,125 for three Oscars. 1256 00:51:56,209 --> 00:51:58,292 She was nominated for Best Supporting Actress 1257 00:51:58,375 --> 00:51:59,918 for "Rebel Without a Cause," 1258 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,626 she was nominated for Best Actress 1259 00:52:01,709 --> 00:52:02,959 for "Splendor in the Grass," 1260 00:52:03,042 --> 00:52:04,459 and she was nominated for Best Actress 1261 00:52:04,542 --> 00:52:06,584 for "Love with the Proper Stranger." 1262 00:52:06,667 --> 00:52:09,000 Unfortunately, she never won, 1263 00:52:09,083 --> 00:52:10,918 but I remember, in 1980, 1264 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,042 my parents getting dressed up 1265 00:52:12,125 --> 00:52:13,876 to go to the Golden Globe Awards, 1266 00:52:13,959 --> 00:52:15,042 and she won. 1267 00:52:15,125 --> 00:52:17,709 - Natalie Wood. [applause] 1268 00:52:17,792 --> 00:52:20,209 - She won a Golden Globe for the television version 1269 00:52:20,292 --> 00:52:23,709 of "From Here to Eternity" with William Devane. 1270 00:52:23,792 --> 00:52:25,792 - This really feels nice. 1271 00:52:25,876 --> 00:52:28,042 Thank you very much. 1272 00:52:28,125 --> 00:52:30,000 I'm completely surprised. 1273 00:52:30,083 --> 00:52:32,334 - She always had the ability 1274 00:52:32,417 --> 00:52:34,918 to recognize good material, 1275 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,042 and when she did "Splendor" 1276 00:52:37,125 --> 00:52:40,417 and after "West Side Story" was a tremendous hit, 1277 00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:42,375 she could start to make her own decisions 1278 00:52:42,459 --> 00:52:43,792 on what she wanted to do 1279 00:52:43,876 --> 00:52:45,459 and what was available for her. 1280 00:52:45,542 --> 00:52:47,000 She stepped out there and took risks. 1281 00:52:47,083 --> 00:52:49,042 - I'm a female past the age of consent. 1282 00:52:49,125 --> 00:52:51,792 I was the first woman to edit the newspaper at my college. 1283 00:52:51,876 --> 00:52:53,751 And I shall remain handcuffed to this door 1284 00:52:53,834 --> 00:52:56,125 until I become the first female reporter 1285 00:52:56,209 --> 00:52:58,334 of the "New York Sentinel." - Over my dead body. 1286 00:52:58,417 --> 00:53:00,083 - In "The Great Race," 1287 00:53:00,167 --> 00:53:02,083 even though it was a comedy, 1288 00:53:02,167 --> 00:53:04,375 she still was playing a character 1289 00:53:04,459 --> 00:53:07,667 who was defending women, believed in women, 1290 00:53:07,751 --> 00:53:09,292 but she found out that she was not 1291 00:53:09,375 --> 00:53:12,083 being paid or treated equally 1292 00:53:12,167 --> 00:53:14,334 to Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon, 1293 00:53:14,417 --> 00:53:17,417 so she went to all kinds of extremes 1294 00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:19,417 to make sure that everything was equal, 1295 00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:21,167 down to the length 1296 00:53:21,250 --> 00:53:23,125 of the phone cord in their rooms. 1297 00:53:23,209 --> 00:53:24,876 - And she was one of the few women 1298 00:53:24,959 --> 00:53:27,918 that had the power to do that at that time. 1299 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,709 There weren't a lot of women that did 1300 00:53:29,792 --> 00:53:31,542 and who were outspoken enough 1301 00:53:31,626 --> 00:53:34,042 and could back it up with her knowledge, 1302 00:53:34,125 --> 00:53:35,834 and everyone who worked with her knew it. 1303 00:53:35,918 --> 00:53:37,292 They all learned from her. 1304 00:53:37,375 --> 00:53:38,417 - There's a picture of her 1305 00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:40,375 where she's at the head of the table, 1306 00:53:40,459 --> 00:53:42,959 and then there's her publicist, her agent, 1307 00:53:43,042 --> 00:53:44,334 her business manager. 1308 00:53:44,417 --> 00:53:45,792 They all work for her. 1309 00:53:45,876 --> 00:53:47,000 She's the only woman, 1310 00:53:47,083 --> 00:53:48,709 and she's at the head of the table. 1311 00:53:48,792 --> 00:53:51,417 And she wasn't afraid to be empowered. 1312 00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:55,250 - I certainly owe the beginning 1313 00:53:55,334 --> 00:53:57,000 of my career in film to her 1314 00:53:57,083 --> 00:53:59,834 'cause I was an actor on Broadway in the theater, 1315 00:53:59,918 --> 00:54:02,334 and so she came to see a play that I was in, 1316 00:54:02,417 --> 00:54:04,000 came backstage to say hello. 1317 00:54:04,083 --> 00:54:06,417 I was very flattered, and then that was that. 1318 00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:08,250 Then a while later, when they were getting her 1319 00:54:08,334 --> 00:54:10,918 to do "Inside Daisy Clover," my name came up, 1320 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,167 but I wasn't known at all in Hollywood, 1321 00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:15,209 and she was the one 1322 00:54:15,292 --> 00:54:18,000 that stuck up for me and said, "I want him." 1323 00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:20,334 And there were a lot of people that tried to resist that, 1324 00:54:20,417 --> 00:54:21,500 said, "Well, he's just not known, 1325 00:54:21,584 --> 00:54:23,500 and you're a big star and he's not," and so forth. 1326 00:54:23,584 --> 00:54:25,792 She--"I don't care. I want to do it with him." 1327 00:54:25,876 --> 00:54:27,834 There was a young lady named Cherry 1328 00:54:27,918 --> 00:54:31,250 who used to get swacked on sweet sherry. 1329 00:54:31,334 --> 00:54:33,500 And when they said-- 1330 00:54:33,584 --> 00:54:34,876 uh, when they said. 1331 00:54:34,959 --> 00:54:38,125 What--what... what--what--help me! 1332 00:54:38,209 --> 00:54:40,125 - Um... - When they said what? 1333 00:54:40,209 --> 00:54:41,542 - Um... - Do you think 1334 00:54:41,626 --> 00:54:43,959 it's a sensible drink? 1335 00:54:44,042 --> 00:54:45,375 - That's good. 1336 00:54:47,042 --> 00:54:48,584 She replied... 1337 00:54:52,334 --> 00:54:53,375 Not very. 1338 00:54:54,542 --> 00:54:57,292 So once that happened and we made that film, 1339 00:54:57,375 --> 00:54:59,042 then we went into "This Property Is Condemned," 1340 00:54:59,125 --> 00:55:00,417 which she was desperate to make. 1341 00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:03,209 She's, "Well, I'd like to stay connected to Bob," 1342 00:55:03,292 --> 00:55:05,209 so she just sort of carried me along. 1343 00:55:05,292 --> 00:55:06,959 - Just because some people might think I'm beautiful, 1344 00:55:07,042 --> 00:55:09,334 that doesn't mean I'm everybody's property. 1345 00:55:09,417 --> 00:55:11,125 - If you really thought you were beautiful, 1346 00:55:11,209 --> 00:55:12,459 you wouldn't be anybody's property. 1347 00:55:12,542 --> 00:55:13,751 You'd be your own girl. 1348 00:55:13,834 --> 00:55:16,542 - I am my own girl, Mr. Legate, 1349 00:55:16,626 --> 00:55:18,667 and I certainly don't need some smart aleck like you 1350 00:55:18,751 --> 00:55:20,667 to come along and point out the error of my ways. 1351 00:55:20,751 --> 00:55:23,292 - When I watch her films, I straddle a fine line 1352 00:55:23,375 --> 00:55:26,209 between being caught in her performance 1353 00:55:26,292 --> 00:55:30,709 and then searching for clues about who she was. 1354 00:55:30,792 --> 00:55:33,000 I think many of the movies that my mom chose 1355 00:55:33,083 --> 00:55:36,751 had a cathartic aspect, "Daisy Clover" especially. 1356 00:55:36,834 --> 00:55:38,584 The scene in the recording booth 1357 00:55:38,667 --> 00:55:40,709 where she's supposed to dub herself 1358 00:55:40,792 --> 00:55:42,542 and we can't hear her 'cause we're outside 1359 00:55:42,626 --> 00:55:44,709 of the recording booth but she's screaming... 1360 00:55:44,792 --> 00:55:46,250 - [screams] 1361 00:55:46,334 --> 00:55:48,083 - That's how she felt on the inside. 1362 00:55:48,167 --> 00:55:49,459 She was screaming on the inside, 1363 00:55:49,542 --> 00:55:51,876 but nobody can hear her because she was 1364 00:55:51,959 --> 00:55:54,751 owned by the studio. 1365 00:55:54,834 --> 00:55:56,417 - You have, in "Daisy Clover," 1366 00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:58,417 the really brilliant crack-up scene. 1367 00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:00,542 You have another one in "Splendor in the Grass" 1368 00:56:00,626 --> 00:56:01,876 in the bathtub. 1369 00:56:01,959 --> 00:56:04,042 Those scenes must have been difficult to do. 1370 00:56:04,125 --> 00:56:06,292 - I think they're the kind of scenes 1371 00:56:06,375 --> 00:56:08,876 that one does just have to, you know, 1372 00:56:08,959 --> 00:56:10,209 get into a certain mood, 1373 00:56:10,292 --> 00:56:12,542 and it's the kind of thing that you can't do 1374 00:56:12,626 --> 00:56:14,417 very many times over and over again. 1375 00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,542 No, Mom! I'm not spoiled! 1376 00:56:17,626 --> 00:56:20,125 I'm not spoiled, Mom! - Deanie... 1377 00:56:20,209 --> 00:56:21,918 - I'm just as fresh and I'm virginal 1378 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,417 like the day I was born, Mom! 1379 00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:25,000 - Stop it! Stop it! 1380 00:56:25,083 --> 00:56:27,292 - In the time that my mom came of age, 1381 00:56:27,375 --> 00:56:30,125 nervous breakdowns and mental institutions 1382 00:56:30,209 --> 00:56:31,876 and suicide, 1383 00:56:31,959 --> 00:56:34,042 that was more of a taboo thing. 1384 00:56:34,125 --> 00:56:36,125 There was a stigma about all that stuff. 1385 00:56:36,209 --> 00:56:37,209 - Deanie, come back here! 1386 00:56:37,292 --> 00:56:38,918 - And in "Splendor in the Grass," 1387 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,417 she tries to commit suicide in the water, 1388 00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:44,626 and then she goes to a mental institution 1389 00:56:44,709 --> 00:56:46,167 for two years. 1390 00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:47,417 - She hasn't spoken a word of sense 1391 00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:49,959 since they brought her in here. 1392 00:56:50,042 --> 00:56:51,751 - But in 1964, 1393 00:56:51,834 --> 00:56:53,918 three years after "Splendor" was released, 1394 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,834 these themes were actually reflected 1395 00:56:55,918 --> 00:56:57,751 in her real life. 1396 00:56:57,834 --> 00:56:59,918 While she was filming "The Great Race," 1397 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,500 she felt lonely and unhappy 1398 00:57:02,584 --> 00:57:05,334 and afraid of never being able to maintain 1399 00:57:05,417 --> 00:57:08,000 a stable and healthy relationship, 1400 00:57:08,083 --> 00:57:10,209 so she took enough sleeping pills 1401 00:57:10,292 --> 00:57:11,876 to kill herself. 1402 00:57:11,959 --> 00:57:13,667 When I found out about all this, 1403 00:57:13,751 --> 00:57:16,334 my Daddy Wagner told me to talk to Mart 1404 00:57:16,417 --> 00:57:18,500 because he was spending the night at her house 1405 00:57:18,584 --> 00:57:19,709 when it happened. 1406 00:57:19,792 --> 00:57:22,500 - It was an overdose and a half. 1407 00:57:22,584 --> 00:57:24,959 I mean, God almighty, she was out. 1408 00:57:25,042 --> 00:57:27,292 And I was told that, 1409 00:57:27,375 --> 00:57:29,250 you know, after they pumped her stomach, they didn't know 1410 00:57:29,334 --> 00:57:30,792 whether she was gonna pull through or not, 1411 00:57:30,876 --> 00:57:32,542 but she did. 1412 00:57:32,626 --> 00:57:34,209 - She spent the weekend in the hospital, 1413 00:57:34,292 --> 00:57:35,417 and on Monday morning, 1414 00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:37,292 she was back at work on "The Great Race." 1415 00:57:37,375 --> 00:57:39,292 But I don't necessarily look at that night 1416 00:57:39,375 --> 00:57:40,709 as a suicide attempt. 1417 00:57:40,792 --> 00:57:43,209 It was really a cry for help. 1418 00:57:43,292 --> 00:57:44,709 After she swallowed the pills, 1419 00:57:44,792 --> 00:57:46,667 she banged on Mart's door, 1420 00:57:46,751 --> 00:57:49,209 so obviously, she wanted to live. 1421 00:57:49,292 --> 00:57:51,125 - I read that you were in analysis-- 1422 00:57:51,209 --> 00:57:52,375 I don't know if this is correct or not-- 1423 00:57:52,459 --> 00:57:54,250 eight year--for eight years, five days a week, 1424 00:57:54,334 --> 00:57:56,000 in Freudian analysis. - Mm-hmm. 1425 00:57:56,083 --> 00:57:58,167 - You must have dry-cleaned your mother and father, 1426 00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:59,709 I mean, during that period of time. 1427 00:57:59,792 --> 00:58:01,751 - Well, I sorted out a few problems. 1428 00:58:01,834 --> 00:58:05,167 Dr. Judd, don't they realize I'm me? 1429 00:58:05,250 --> 00:58:08,292 I don't think I could ever go back home again. 1430 00:58:08,375 --> 00:58:10,834 I don't think I could ever feel the same way 1431 00:58:10,918 --> 00:58:12,792 I used to feel about them. 1432 00:58:13,584 --> 00:58:15,709 - We didn't talk a lot about her childhood, 1433 00:58:15,792 --> 00:58:17,584 but I knew some things, 1434 00:58:17,667 --> 00:58:19,334 and she needed some help, 1435 00:58:19,417 --> 00:58:22,000 and she wasn't gonna get that from her mom, 1436 00:58:22,083 --> 00:58:25,083 and it probably went way back, undoubtedly, 1437 00:58:25,167 --> 00:58:26,125 all of it. 1438 00:58:26,209 --> 00:58:30,417 So with her own significant intelligence 1439 00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:32,292 and a good therapist, 1440 00:58:32,375 --> 00:58:36,083 she was able to make sense of some pretty severe nonsense 1441 00:58:36,167 --> 00:58:37,626 that had come and gone her way. 1442 00:58:37,709 --> 00:58:38,876 - How do you know? 1443 00:58:38,959 --> 00:58:40,417 - Because I've been your analyst for three years. 1444 00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:41,459 I know what you're capable of, 1445 00:58:41,542 --> 00:58:42,751 and I know what you're not capable of. 1446 00:58:42,834 --> 00:58:43,876 - Would you like to bet? 1447 00:58:43,959 --> 00:58:45,250 - My reputation in psychiatry 1448 00:58:45,334 --> 00:58:47,000 against anything you care to put up. 1449 00:58:47,083 --> 00:58:48,292 - Will this be enough? 1450 00:58:48,375 --> 00:58:50,375 I feel I got a great deal out of analysis, 1451 00:58:50,459 --> 00:58:52,375 and I think a lot of people think that analysis 1452 00:58:52,459 --> 00:58:54,209 makes one become introspective, 1453 00:58:54,292 --> 00:58:55,334 and I think it does the opposite. 1454 00:58:55,417 --> 00:58:56,542 I think it opens you. 1455 00:58:56,626 --> 00:58:58,000 I think it frees you from being 1456 00:58:58,083 --> 00:59:01,042 locked into your own-- worrying about yourself. 1457 00:59:01,125 --> 00:59:02,751 - One of the most wonderful things 1458 00:59:02,834 --> 00:59:05,209 that she ever did for me was, she convinced me 1459 00:59:05,292 --> 00:59:07,000 to get into analysis, 1460 00:59:07,083 --> 00:59:09,417 and it saved my life, without question. 1461 00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:13,417 - I remember the day that I saw Barbra Streisand 1462 00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:15,667 come to the set to talk to Natalie 1463 00:59:15,751 --> 00:59:20,292 about how to block off time to see your psychiatrist 1464 00:59:20,375 --> 00:59:22,542 during a movie, 'cause stars didn't have that 1465 00:59:22,626 --> 00:59:23,792 in their contracts at that time, 1466 00:59:23,876 --> 00:59:25,876 but she did. 1467 00:59:25,959 --> 00:59:27,918 There was nothing out-of-bounds with Natalie. 1468 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,417 I felt so comfortable with her. 1469 00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:33,542 - Here's a toast to Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice. 1470 00:59:33,626 --> 00:59:35,375 - That's a good-- I'll drink to us. 1471 00:59:35,459 --> 00:59:36,542 - Hats and horns. - [laughing] Four... 1472 00:59:36,626 --> 00:59:38,918 of the grooviest people I've ever known. 1473 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,876 - This movie was about infidelity 1474 00:59:40,959 --> 00:59:42,125 and these encounter groups 1475 00:59:42,209 --> 00:59:44,751 where people were looking into their real me 1476 00:59:44,834 --> 00:59:48,334 and all the things that were spanking new at the time 1477 00:59:48,417 --> 00:59:50,000 and very controversial. 1478 00:59:50,083 --> 00:59:51,834 - It just seems wrong. 1479 00:59:51,918 --> 00:59:53,125 - Oh, it's not. 1480 00:59:53,209 --> 00:59:54,834 Look, it's just nice feelings. 1481 00:59:54,918 --> 00:59:56,834 It's something that we've never done before. 1482 00:59:56,918 --> 01:00:00,167 It's physical fun. It's just sex. 1483 01:00:00,250 --> 01:00:02,500 - I was not sure of it. 1484 01:00:02,584 --> 01:00:04,459 I thought it might be exploitative 1485 01:00:04,542 --> 01:00:07,500 in terms of the sexual aspect of it, 1486 01:00:07,584 --> 01:00:10,959 but Natalie brought what the film needed: 1487 01:00:11,042 --> 01:00:12,667 not only a star 1488 01:00:12,751 --> 01:00:16,083 but a quality of intelligence 1489 01:00:16,167 --> 01:00:19,500 that an audience could identify with. 1490 01:00:19,584 --> 01:00:21,792 And even the scene 1491 01:00:21,876 --> 01:00:24,209 when we're all in bed together, 1492 01:00:24,292 --> 01:00:26,834 I wore two pairs of jockey shorts, 1493 01:00:26,918 --> 01:00:30,918 but Natalie made it so easy 1494 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,375 and so natural. 1495 01:00:32,459 --> 01:00:35,876 So that was a great gift for all of us. 1496 01:00:35,959 --> 01:00:39,292 - In 1970, she had just come off a big success 1497 01:00:39,375 --> 01:00:41,125 with "Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice." 1498 01:00:41,209 --> 01:00:44,417 My Daddy Gregson called her "rich and happy" 1499 01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:46,918 because she owned points in that film, 1500 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,375 and so I think she was in a really good place 1501 01:00:49,459 --> 01:00:51,042 at that time. 1502 01:00:51,125 --> 01:00:54,000 [peaceful music] 1503 01:00:54,083 --> 01:00:57,500 - At one point, you had unbelievable power 1504 01:00:57,584 --> 01:00:58,876 for a female 1505 01:00:58,959 --> 01:01:00,834 when you were one of the few females 1506 01:01:00,918 --> 01:01:02,959 who could get a picture made, 1507 01:01:03,042 --> 01:01:06,584 and then you seemed to opt out of stardom. 1508 01:01:06,667 --> 01:01:08,167 Why? 1509 01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:10,500 - Oh, gosh, Rona, I don't know. 1510 01:01:10,584 --> 01:01:13,751 I've been acting since I was five, really, 1511 01:01:13,834 --> 01:01:17,083 and I think that I came to a point in my life 1512 01:01:17,167 --> 01:01:19,709 where I felt that I wanted to live some of my life 1513 01:01:19,792 --> 01:01:20,876 without work, 1514 01:01:20,959 --> 01:01:24,000 because I'd always been so absorbed in work. 1515 01:01:24,083 --> 01:01:27,209 And I also got married and wanted to have children, 1516 01:01:27,292 --> 01:01:30,584 and I really just enjoyed being with them. 1517 01:01:30,667 --> 01:01:33,542 [gentle piano music] 1518 01:01:33,626 --> 01:01:38,709 ♪ ♪ 1519 01:01:38,792 --> 01:01:41,876 - After I was born in 1970, 1520 01:01:41,959 --> 01:01:43,834 my mom took a break from acting 1521 01:01:43,918 --> 01:01:46,209 for maybe four or five years 1522 01:01:46,292 --> 01:01:49,292 because she wanted to be a stay-at-home mom. 1523 01:01:49,375 --> 01:01:50,375 And then slowly, you know, 1524 01:01:50,459 --> 01:01:53,167 the acting bug came back around, 1525 01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:56,167 and so she did start to feel the need to go back to work. 1526 01:01:56,250 --> 01:01:57,292 - May I come in? 1527 01:01:57,375 --> 01:01:58,876 - Why the hell not? 1528 01:01:58,959 --> 01:02:00,125 Better late than never. 1529 01:02:00,209 --> 01:02:02,584 - And then when Courtney and I were getting older, 1530 01:02:02,667 --> 01:02:03,959 she wanted to act 1531 01:02:04,042 --> 01:02:06,626 with the knowledge of being a mother. 1532 01:02:06,709 --> 01:02:07,918 - All right. 1533 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,083 That's little Cassie, always obedient. 1534 01:02:10,167 --> 01:02:11,792 Kiss your mother. Go to confession. 1535 01:02:11,876 --> 01:02:13,500 Change the baby. Shut your mouth. 1536 01:02:13,584 --> 01:02:16,459 - "The Cracker Factory" was a big television event 1537 01:02:16,542 --> 01:02:18,000 of that time, 1538 01:02:18,083 --> 01:02:22,000 and it was very unusual that a big movie star 1539 01:02:22,083 --> 01:02:25,083 was going to portray a character on television 1540 01:02:25,167 --> 01:02:27,250 that had so many flaws. 1541 01:02:27,334 --> 01:02:29,000 And I played her daughter, 1542 01:02:29,083 --> 01:02:30,959 and I remember her being excited 1543 01:02:31,042 --> 01:02:33,876 about playing real struggles of people's families 1544 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,584 and about being real. 1545 01:02:35,667 --> 01:02:37,834 - It was a book that I just thought was wonderful, 1546 01:02:37,918 --> 01:02:39,709 and I thought what made it unusual 1547 01:02:39,792 --> 01:02:41,167 is the woman's real wit 1548 01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:42,751 and her way of dealing 1549 01:02:42,834 --> 01:02:44,792 with the problems that she had. 1550 01:02:44,876 --> 01:02:46,918 And I think it wasn't only about alcoholism. 1551 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,334 I think it was also about the many pressures 1552 01:02:49,417 --> 01:02:53,834 that face a woman, wife, mother today. 1553 01:02:53,918 --> 01:02:58,125 - I would hear discussions with Natalie and RJ 1554 01:02:58,209 --> 01:02:59,250 'cause here they are in the bed, 1555 01:02:59,334 --> 01:03:00,626 and I'm over here at the desk. 1556 01:03:00,709 --> 01:03:03,626 RJ was doing "Hart to Hart," 1557 01:03:03,709 --> 01:03:05,459 and Natalie would say, "Well, I've got the script, 1558 01:03:05,542 --> 01:03:07,959 'Meteor' with Sean Connery." 1559 01:03:08,042 --> 01:03:10,542 And he'd say, "Well, okay, I have a break 1560 01:03:10,626 --> 01:03:14,083 during this time," because their main rule was, 1561 01:03:14,167 --> 01:03:16,042 they wouldn't both be working at the same time, 1562 01:03:16,125 --> 01:03:18,083 that somebody would be home for the children. 1563 01:03:18,167 --> 01:03:19,876 - It doesn't look like you're ready to jump rope. 1564 01:03:19,959 --> 01:03:21,375 - Well, I think I'm gonna watch, 1565 01:03:21,459 --> 01:03:23,292 and I'll let the Harts jump rope today. 1566 01:03:23,375 --> 01:03:24,417 But we do jump rope at home, 1567 01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:25,542 and the kids are gonna jump rope, 1568 01:03:25,626 --> 01:03:27,375 Courtney, Natasha, Katie. 1569 01:03:27,459 --> 01:03:29,042 - I love jump rope. 1570 01:03:29,125 --> 01:03:31,167 - Why? - Because. 1571 01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:32,959 - Does it make you feel good? - Yes. 1572 01:03:33,042 --> 01:03:34,334 - Do you recommend it? 1573 01:03:34,417 --> 01:03:35,834 - I don't know. 1574 01:03:35,918 --> 01:03:39,042 - I think women today are trying to have it all 1575 01:03:39,125 --> 01:03:41,876 in the sense that we don't just choose 1576 01:03:41,959 --> 01:03:43,792 to be one thing or the other. 1577 01:03:43,876 --> 01:03:46,417 We don't just say, "Well, now we're gonna give up career, 1578 01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:49,292 "sacrifice our life, and be a wife and a mother, 1579 01:03:49,375 --> 01:03:51,834 or we're gonna be a career woman, pursue that." 1580 01:03:51,918 --> 01:03:56,209 I mean, I think a lot of us are trying to do 1581 01:03:56,292 --> 01:03:57,667 all of it, you know, 1582 01:03:57,751 --> 01:04:00,918 without having, you know, one suffer. 1583 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,918 - I think it was difficult for her. 1584 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,918 She was torn by wanting 1585 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,751 to be there with her children 1586 01:04:08,834 --> 01:04:11,167 in a family unit with RJ 1587 01:04:11,250 --> 01:04:13,709 and to fulfill this other side of her 1588 01:04:13,792 --> 01:04:14,918 that was her core, 1589 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,542 and I think that was a real growing pressure. 1590 01:04:18,626 --> 01:04:19,876 - Marker. 1591 01:04:19,959 --> 01:04:21,792 - With your children growing up, 1592 01:04:21,876 --> 01:04:25,375 with your going back into doing more movies, 1593 01:04:25,459 --> 01:04:29,209 how would you like to see your 40th birthday approached? 1594 01:04:29,292 --> 01:04:30,792 - Oh, gosh. 1595 01:04:30,876 --> 01:04:33,209 Well, I would like to...work. 1596 01:04:33,292 --> 01:04:34,542 I would like to keep working, 1597 01:04:34,626 --> 01:04:37,000 not necessarily at a faster speed, 1598 01:04:37,083 --> 01:04:38,918 but I'd like to be able to do good parts. 1599 01:04:39,042 --> 01:04:40,626 I loved working in "West Side Story," 1600 01:04:40,709 --> 01:04:41,876 but I wouldn't go back. 1601 01:04:41,959 --> 01:04:43,000 Today's what counts, 1602 01:04:43,083 --> 01:04:45,083 and RainTree helps you make the most of it. 1603 01:04:45,167 --> 01:04:47,375 - She was going through a transition in age, 1604 01:04:47,459 --> 01:04:50,334 which Hollywood was not very accepting of, 1605 01:04:50,417 --> 01:04:53,459 and even now, it's a problem once you get those crow's-feet, 1606 01:04:53,542 --> 01:04:54,459 you know? 1607 01:04:54,542 --> 01:04:55,959 Maybe you don't get the great roles. 1608 01:04:56,042 --> 01:04:58,626 - If you're like me, you don't want to go back in time. 1609 01:04:58,709 --> 01:05:00,709 You want to stay ahead of it. 1610 01:05:00,792 --> 01:05:02,459 - But she was unsinkable. 1611 01:05:02,542 --> 01:05:04,751 She would accept that, "Yes, I'm now 40," 1612 01:05:04,834 --> 01:05:06,542 which seems like nothing now, 1613 01:05:06,626 --> 01:05:07,584 "and I'm gonna work, and I'm gonna be 1614 01:05:07,667 --> 01:05:10,375 a woman my age, and it's gonna be great." 1615 01:05:10,459 --> 01:05:13,792 - Come on, now. Stop holding things back. 1616 01:05:13,876 --> 01:05:15,375 - All right, God damn it. 1617 01:05:15,459 --> 01:05:17,083 I'm not sorry they're getting divorced. 1618 01:05:17,167 --> 01:05:19,250 I mean, I am sorry they're getting divorced. 1619 01:05:19,334 --> 01:05:21,375 [both laugh] 1620 01:05:21,459 --> 01:05:23,334 - She had, like, two personalities, 1621 01:05:23,417 --> 01:05:25,334 both of which she controlled, 1622 01:05:25,417 --> 01:05:28,000 but when she chose to be a movie star, 1623 01:05:28,083 --> 01:05:30,459 she was all made up. 1624 01:05:30,542 --> 01:05:32,250 - And, honey... - Yeah. 1625 01:05:32,334 --> 01:05:34,375 - While you're finishing your hot dog, 1626 01:05:34,459 --> 01:05:35,918 think of this. 1627 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,876 I'm not wearing anything underneath my coat. 1628 01:05:38,959 --> 01:05:41,167 - You're kidding. 1629 01:05:43,167 --> 01:05:45,626 So she was very wise 1630 01:05:45,709 --> 01:05:48,667 about how she dispensed herself, 1631 01:05:48,751 --> 01:05:50,667 the commercial side of her. 1632 01:05:50,751 --> 01:05:52,918 - My mom had a great publicist 1633 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,334 named George Kirvey, and he felt, 1634 01:05:55,417 --> 01:05:57,667 when she was hitting her 40s, 1635 01:05:57,751 --> 01:05:59,792 that it was time to revamp her image. 1636 01:05:59,876 --> 01:06:01,667 - I was working for "Look" magazine 1637 01:06:01,751 --> 01:06:04,209 and "People" magazine, 1638 01:06:04,292 --> 01:06:06,209 and George Kirvey said, 1639 01:06:06,292 --> 01:06:10,250 "Maybe, you know, we want to change Natalie's image 1640 01:06:10,334 --> 01:06:13,626 "to some more sensual, maybe a little sexier, 1641 01:06:13,709 --> 01:06:17,334 and more of the '70s time," and we did that, 1642 01:06:17,417 --> 01:06:19,000 and we really accomplished that. 1643 01:06:19,083 --> 01:06:20,709 It's been written about: I changed 1644 01:06:20,792 --> 01:06:23,792 the whole professional look of Natalie Wood. 1645 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,834 This is my favorite photo of Natalie Wood. 1646 01:06:29,918 --> 01:06:33,417 This is published all around the world. 1647 01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:37,000 And this is the "Anastasia" poster portrait 1648 01:06:37,083 --> 01:06:39,918 that we did for-- you hold it up-- 1649 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,876 for the Ahmanson Theatre. 1650 01:06:41,959 --> 01:06:45,959 - It was an exciting time for her professionally. 1651 01:06:46,042 --> 01:06:48,000 I remember having conversations 1652 01:06:48,083 --> 01:06:49,542 with her and George 1653 01:06:49,626 --> 01:06:52,751 about her first stage appearance 1654 01:06:52,834 --> 01:06:54,125 in "Anastasia." 1655 01:06:54,209 --> 01:06:56,375 She was petrified of the stage 1656 01:06:56,459 --> 01:06:58,918 but wanted to overcome it. 1657 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,250 - During that time that Mommy 1658 01:07:00,334 --> 01:07:02,417 was thinking about "Anastasia," 1659 01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:04,250 you were working really hard. 1660 01:07:04,334 --> 01:07:05,584 - Well, we were still doing "Hart to Hart." 1661 01:07:05,667 --> 01:07:07,125 - You were doing "Hart to Hart." 1662 01:07:07,209 --> 01:07:09,167 - I was in Hawaii, you know, on location 1663 01:07:09,250 --> 01:07:10,542 when she was doing "Brainstorm" 1664 01:07:10,626 --> 01:07:12,584 in North Carolina. 1665 01:07:12,667 --> 01:07:15,250 - In 1981, when my mom passed away, 1666 01:07:15,334 --> 01:07:18,167 she was in the middle of filming "Brainstorm," 1667 01:07:18,250 --> 01:07:21,209 starring Christopher Walken and Louise Fletcher. 1668 01:07:21,292 --> 01:07:23,584 She was shooting on location in North Carolina, 1669 01:07:23,667 --> 01:07:25,125 and it was kind of a big deal 1670 01:07:25,209 --> 01:07:28,125 because that was the first time that my mom 1671 01:07:28,209 --> 01:07:29,125 and my Daddy Wagner 1672 01:07:29,209 --> 01:07:30,751 would be working at the same time. 1673 01:07:30,834 --> 01:07:32,834 - I think I can get it down to size 1674 01:07:32,918 --> 01:07:34,459 and make it look attractive, 1675 01:07:34,542 --> 01:07:38,375 maybe something like stereo headphones. 1676 01:07:38,459 --> 01:07:40,417 - I'm not worried about that. I know you can. 1677 01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:43,125 It's Michael. 1678 01:07:43,209 --> 01:07:46,125 You're gonna have to work very closely with him. 1679 01:07:46,209 --> 01:07:47,584 Is that a problem? 1680 01:07:47,667 --> 01:07:49,250 - No. 1681 01:07:49,334 --> 01:07:50,918 That won't be any problem. 1682 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,792 - Okay. - Not for me. 1683 01:07:52,876 --> 01:07:55,083 - At first, I was very intimidated 1684 01:07:55,167 --> 01:07:56,626 with the idea of working with Natalie Wood. 1685 01:07:56,709 --> 01:07:58,417 This is an extremely experienced 1686 01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:00,334 and competent actress, 1687 01:08:00,417 --> 01:08:03,959 and Chris Walken is kind of an experimental performer, 1688 01:08:04,042 --> 01:08:05,876 and he's so extraordinary. 1689 01:08:05,959 --> 01:08:07,417 So I never felt any problem 1690 01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:10,125 with trying to make them fit together as a couple. 1691 01:08:10,209 --> 01:08:11,334 From a director's standpoint, 1692 01:08:11,417 --> 01:08:12,918 I thought it was gonna work fine. 1693 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,709 But one of the things that I wanted to comment on 1694 01:08:15,792 --> 01:08:17,500 in the context of this interview 1695 01:08:17,584 --> 01:08:19,834 is that there was a love scene between the two, 1696 01:08:19,918 --> 01:08:21,292 a sex scene, actually, 1697 01:08:21,375 --> 01:08:23,667 and I found out in the shooting of that scene 1698 01:08:23,751 --> 01:08:26,334 that there was almost no physical charisma 1699 01:08:26,417 --> 01:08:27,834 between them at all, 1700 01:08:27,918 --> 01:08:30,626 and so that made me believe, in retrospect now, 1701 01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:32,500 that the suggestion that there was some love triangle 1702 01:08:32,584 --> 01:08:35,292 between Natalie and Christopher and RJ or something like that, 1703 01:08:35,375 --> 01:08:36,792 whatever anybody would make of it, 1704 01:08:36,876 --> 01:08:37,959 is not true. 1705 01:08:38,042 --> 01:08:39,417 I just think it's impossible. 1706 01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:42,125 - Based on conversations I had with Natalie, 1707 01:08:42,209 --> 01:08:44,292 she was not having an affair. 1708 01:08:44,375 --> 01:08:46,709 That's based on what she was saying to me. 1709 01:08:48,417 --> 01:08:50,584 That's what I believe. 1710 01:08:51,167 --> 01:08:53,209 - How do you and your wife manage to combine 1711 01:08:53,292 --> 01:08:56,584 two successful careers and a good family life? 1712 01:08:56,667 --> 01:08:58,459 - She's a really wonderful lady, 1713 01:08:58,542 --> 01:09:00,959 and she rather makes it all work out. 1714 01:09:01,042 --> 01:09:03,375 You know, she really-- it's a very difficult thing 1715 01:09:03,459 --> 01:09:04,751 to be a mother and an actress 1716 01:09:04,834 --> 01:09:06,584 and have a career and have a husband 1717 01:09:06,667 --> 01:09:08,209 and all of that. 1718 01:09:08,292 --> 01:09:10,209 It's difficult because we haven't really 1719 01:09:10,292 --> 01:09:11,667 ever been apart this long. 1720 01:09:11,751 --> 01:09:13,167 This is the longest we've been apart, 1721 01:09:13,250 --> 01:09:16,626 and it has been--I find it very difficult, really, 1722 01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:18,834 because, you know, we've been together so much, 1723 01:09:18,918 --> 01:09:21,792 and I think it's difficult for anybody who's in love 1724 01:09:21,876 --> 01:09:24,000 to be...away from the one-- 1725 01:09:24,083 --> 01:09:25,542 the person that they're in love with. 1726 01:09:25,626 --> 01:09:27,375 - I think it really is a question 1727 01:09:27,459 --> 01:09:28,918 of trying to figure out how to use your time 1728 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,000 the best way... - Mm-hmm. 1729 01:09:30,083 --> 01:09:31,209 - And to be flexible. 1730 01:09:31,292 --> 01:09:32,584 Because I think the main thing 1731 01:09:32,667 --> 01:09:34,542 is to try to be together as much as possible 1732 01:09:34,626 --> 01:09:36,167 so that everybody--you know, 1733 01:09:36,250 --> 01:09:37,250 so that you're with your kids enough 1734 01:09:37,334 --> 01:09:40,584 and with your husband enough and with yourself enough 1735 01:09:40,667 --> 01:09:43,959 and doing your own thing enough. 1736 01:09:44,042 --> 01:09:45,584 - When she went to North Carolina, 1737 01:09:45,667 --> 01:09:47,876 I remember that I would write her these letters, 1738 01:09:47,959 --> 01:09:50,334 and I would cry as I was writing the letter 1739 01:09:50,417 --> 01:09:51,459 'cause I missed her so much, 1740 01:09:51,542 --> 01:09:54,792 and then I would draw around the tear, 1741 01:09:54,876 --> 01:09:57,000 and then I would write "tear" with an arrow... 1742 01:09:57,083 --> 01:09:58,709 [laughs] Because obviously, 1743 01:09:58,792 --> 01:10:01,209 she couldn't see the tear 'cause it had dried up. 1744 01:10:01,292 --> 01:10:02,834 - Yeah, you did miss her a lot. - Yeah. 1745 01:10:02,918 --> 01:10:05,000 I really missed her, and I wasn't used 1746 01:10:05,083 --> 01:10:06,709 to her being gone, 1747 01:10:06,792 --> 01:10:09,876 so when she came back, 1748 01:10:09,959 --> 01:10:12,584 we were all really happy to see her. 1749 01:10:12,667 --> 01:10:14,459 - We had wrapped in North Carolina. 1750 01:10:14,542 --> 01:10:16,667 We were done with the location shooting, 1751 01:10:16,751 --> 01:10:18,083 and we were going back to LA 1752 01:10:18,167 --> 01:10:20,834 to shoot the interiors and set stuff back at MGMs 1753 01:10:20,918 --> 01:10:22,417 after the Thanksgiving holiday. 1754 01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:24,959 - In 1981, we had Thanksgiving together as a family 1755 01:10:25,042 --> 01:10:26,667 at the house on Cañon Drive. 1756 01:10:26,751 --> 01:10:29,209 A house full of people, as always. 1757 01:10:29,292 --> 01:10:31,459 Natalie had returned from North Carolina 1758 01:10:31,542 --> 01:10:33,500 to finish shooting "Brainstorm" in Los Angeles, 1759 01:10:33,584 --> 01:10:35,834 and Daddy had come back from Hawaii, 1760 01:10:35,918 --> 01:10:38,000 where he had been shooting "Hart to Hart," 1761 01:10:38,083 --> 01:10:40,751 and it was very rainy and stormy that weekend. 1762 01:10:40,834 --> 01:10:42,417 Natalie and Daddy would go out on the boat 1763 01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:43,417 a lot for weekends. 1764 01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:44,751 A lot of times, the kids would go, 1765 01:10:44,834 --> 01:10:46,918 but in this case, they were gonna have an adult weekend, 1766 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,250 and I know that Natalie had asked several people 1767 01:10:49,334 --> 01:10:50,417 to join them. 1768 01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:52,000 Christopher Walken was in Los Angeles 1769 01:10:52,083 --> 01:10:53,083 to finish "Brainstorm." 1770 01:10:53,167 --> 01:10:54,709 He did not live in Los Angeles. 1771 01:10:54,792 --> 01:10:56,334 And so naturally, she asked him 1772 01:10:56,417 --> 01:10:57,500 to go on the boat. 1773 01:10:57,584 --> 01:11:00,000 And they asked several other friends 1774 01:11:00,083 --> 01:11:01,125 that just didn't feel comfortable 1775 01:11:01,209 --> 01:11:02,876 and didn't want to go. 1776 01:11:02,959 --> 01:11:06,667 - It's pouring with rain the entire Thanksgiving. 1777 01:11:06,751 --> 01:11:08,792 We all were at dinner. 1778 01:11:08,876 --> 01:11:11,709 And I thought, "Well, this is absurd." 1779 01:11:11,792 --> 01:11:13,209 I mean, besides trying to get out of it 1780 01:11:13,292 --> 01:11:15,250 because, you know, it was clear 1781 01:11:15,334 --> 01:11:19,250 that RJ and Chris were arguing all the time, 1782 01:11:19,334 --> 01:11:20,876 I didn't want any part of it. 1783 01:11:20,959 --> 01:11:24,751 - I remember feeling that it was a little bit tense, 1784 01:11:24,834 --> 01:11:28,250 and I remember staying later with her 1785 01:11:28,334 --> 01:11:29,792 to see if she was okay 1786 01:11:29,876 --> 01:11:32,292 after we'd all had dinner, 1787 01:11:32,375 --> 01:11:34,626 and she told me that she was 1788 01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:36,542 and that she'd been under a lot of pressure 1789 01:11:36,626 --> 01:11:38,042 in the movie 1790 01:11:38,125 --> 01:11:40,709 and would I please come on the boat, 1791 01:11:40,792 --> 01:11:42,751 but it was my son's birthday, 1792 01:11:42,834 --> 01:11:44,042 so I said to Natalie, 1793 01:11:44,125 --> 01:11:45,292 "I'm not gonna come on the boat, 1794 01:11:45,375 --> 01:11:48,584 so we'll all have dinner on the Sunday night," 1795 01:11:48,667 --> 01:11:50,959 and that was the last time I saw her. 1796 01:11:51,042 --> 01:11:53,500 - We sat up until all hours of the night 1797 01:11:53,584 --> 01:11:55,500 on the last night, talking, 1798 01:11:55,584 --> 01:11:58,500 and she was anxious about going on the boat 1799 01:11:58,584 --> 01:12:02,459 because she felt compromised. 1800 01:12:02,542 --> 01:12:05,334 She loved the life she had, 1801 01:12:05,417 --> 01:12:07,500 and she loved the work, 1802 01:12:07,584 --> 01:12:10,250 and she knew she couldn't do both fully, 1803 01:12:10,334 --> 01:12:13,209 and these two men actually represented 1804 01:12:13,292 --> 01:12:14,792 both sides of that argument. 1805 01:12:14,876 --> 01:12:16,918 You know, Chris was-- in her mind, 1806 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,250 he was a free spirit, an artist, 1807 01:12:19,334 --> 01:12:23,042 and RJ was a responsible husband and father. 1808 01:12:23,125 --> 01:12:25,918 And I said to her that I thought it was 1809 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,667 important that she go on the boat, 1810 01:12:27,751 --> 01:12:29,083 that it would give her an opportunity 1811 01:12:29,167 --> 01:12:30,417 to work through all of this, 1812 01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:34,459 and...silly me. 1813 01:12:34,542 --> 01:12:39,417 - I've never forgiven myself for not going, 1814 01:12:39,500 --> 01:12:40,834 because I'm sure there would've been 1815 01:12:40,918 --> 01:12:43,918 a different dynamic somewhere. 1816 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,584 - The last time I saw my mom 1817 01:12:46,667 --> 01:12:49,042 was the day after Thanksgiving 1818 01:12:49,125 --> 01:12:51,209 at our house on Cañon Drive. 1819 01:12:51,292 --> 01:12:52,876 It was raining outside, 1820 01:12:52,959 --> 01:12:55,792 and I didn't want them to go on the boat, 1821 01:12:55,876 --> 01:12:57,375 so I was hugging her, and I was telling her, 1822 01:12:57,459 --> 01:12:59,626 "I love you, and I don't want you to go on the boat," 1823 01:12:59,709 --> 01:13:02,792 and she was comforting me and telling me not to worry 1824 01:13:02,876 --> 01:13:04,500 and that everything would be okay. 1825 01:13:04,584 --> 01:13:08,250 So a few hours later, my parents left on the boat 1826 01:13:08,334 --> 01:13:10,417 for Catalina with Christopher Walken, 1827 01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:12,334 who I didn't know very well, 1828 01:13:12,417 --> 01:13:14,459 and Dennis Davern, who my parents hired 1829 01:13:14,542 --> 01:13:16,792 to take care of the "Splendour." 1830 01:13:16,876 --> 01:13:19,626 - She'd called me from Catalina, 1831 01:13:19,709 --> 01:13:22,417 and she left two messages on my machine 1832 01:13:22,500 --> 01:13:24,459 saying, had I heard from RJ? 1833 01:13:24,542 --> 01:13:25,918 She and RJ had had an argument 1834 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,209 the night before. 1835 01:13:27,292 --> 01:13:28,792 The second was, she had called back 1836 01:13:28,876 --> 01:13:31,209 to say everything was fine, not to worry. 1837 01:13:32,209 --> 01:13:34,417 - On the first night, Mommy had gone 1838 01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:37,626 onto Catalina Island and stayed in a hotel, 1839 01:13:37,709 --> 01:13:38,751 right? - In Avalon. 1840 01:13:38,834 --> 01:13:39,876 - In Avalon, right. - Yeah. 1841 01:13:39,959 --> 01:13:42,083 And the reason for that was because 1842 01:13:42,167 --> 01:13:45,334 we couldn't pick up a mooring inside the harbor, 1843 01:13:45,417 --> 01:13:48,375 so we dropped the anchor outside on the breakwater, 1844 01:13:48,459 --> 01:13:50,709 and it was a very rough night, 1845 01:13:50,792 --> 01:13:53,500 and the boat was, you know, just going up and down, 1846 01:13:53,584 --> 01:13:54,667 up and down, 1847 01:13:54,751 --> 01:13:56,209 and it was very uncomfortable. 1848 01:13:56,292 --> 01:13:58,334 - So you guys were kind of arguing. 1849 01:13:58,417 --> 01:13:59,834 - Yes, that got your mother 1850 01:13:59,918 --> 01:14:02,167 very nervous, and so we decided 1851 01:14:02,250 --> 01:14:03,375 that she'd go ashore, 1852 01:14:03,459 --> 01:14:05,959 and Chris and I stayed on board the boat 1853 01:14:06,042 --> 01:14:07,167 and just took watches to see 1854 01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:08,292 that it was all right and everything, 1855 01:14:08,375 --> 01:14:10,292 and then she came back on board the next morning, 1856 01:14:10,375 --> 01:14:13,167 and we decided to go from Avalon 1857 01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:14,918 down to the Isthmus, 1858 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,250 and we were gonna show Chris that anyway, 1859 01:14:17,334 --> 01:14:19,125 'cause that's where we spent our honeymoon 1860 01:14:19,209 --> 01:14:20,709 and all of that. - Mm-hmm. 1861 01:14:20,792 --> 01:14:23,167 - And when we were at the Isthmus, 1862 01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:25,918 we tied up there, and I went to sleep 1863 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,459 'cause I was really tired. 1864 01:14:27,542 --> 01:14:28,959 - From the night before. - From the night before. 1865 01:14:29,042 --> 01:14:31,250 - Uh-huh. - And when I woke up, 1866 01:14:31,334 --> 01:14:33,500 Chris and your mother had gone to shore... 1867 01:14:33,584 --> 01:14:36,375 - Mm-hmm. - To this bar that was there. 1868 01:14:36,459 --> 01:14:38,334 I met them. I got a shore boat. 1869 01:14:38,417 --> 01:14:39,667 And, you know, they had these boats 1870 01:14:39,751 --> 01:14:42,209 that came up, picked you up, and I went and met them, 1871 01:14:42,292 --> 01:14:44,876 and we had dinner, which was pretty nice, 1872 01:14:44,959 --> 01:14:49,667 and I remember I had, you know, a few glasses of vino, 1873 01:14:49,751 --> 01:14:54,209 and I was feeling pretty good, and... 1874 01:14:54,292 --> 01:14:58,500 we came back, you know, to the boat. 1875 01:14:58,584 --> 01:15:00,626 I opened up another bottle of wine 1876 01:15:00,709 --> 01:15:02,125 and had a couple more glasses of wine, 1877 01:15:02,209 --> 01:15:06,292 and I sat there with Chris, and... 1878 01:15:06,375 --> 01:15:08,918 we started talking, and... 1879 01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,751 he started to mention to me about your mother 1880 01:15:11,834 --> 01:15:12,918 and how wonderful she was 1881 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,751 and what a great actress she was 1882 01:15:14,834 --> 01:15:16,417 and how he enjoyed working with her, 1883 01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:18,375 and he said, "You know, I think it's important 1884 01:15:18,459 --> 01:15:19,542 that she works," and I said, 1885 01:15:19,626 --> 01:15:21,751 "I think it's important if you stay out of her life." 1886 01:15:21,834 --> 01:15:25,292 You know, I was a little teed off about that. 1887 01:15:25,375 --> 01:15:27,209 Suddenly, he's telling me 1888 01:15:27,292 --> 01:15:30,250 what she should do and how she should behave. 1889 01:15:30,334 --> 01:15:32,000 I got angry at that. 1890 01:15:32,083 --> 01:15:34,042 And so your mother went down below, 1891 01:15:34,125 --> 01:15:36,250 our stateroom, where we st-- 1892 01:15:36,334 --> 01:15:38,042 our bedroom was down below, 1893 01:15:38,125 --> 01:15:40,542 and she went down below to get ready to go to bed, 1894 01:15:40,626 --> 01:15:42,876 and I sat there with Chris, and I said, 1895 01:15:42,959 --> 01:15:44,125 "Why don't you just"-- 1896 01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:45,792 you know, "Don't tell her what to do 1897 01:15:45,876 --> 01:15:47,584 and, "Stay out of her life," 1898 01:15:47,667 --> 01:15:50,500 and I picked up the bottle and smashed it on the table, 1899 01:15:50,584 --> 01:15:54,167 and, you know, I was really, you know... 1900 01:15:54,250 --> 01:15:57,834 angry at him about it, 1901 01:15:57,918 --> 01:16:01,000 and as I look back at it, unjustifiably so, 1902 01:16:01,083 --> 01:16:03,083 you know, but he ducked out, 1903 01:16:03,167 --> 01:16:06,918 went out, went up on the top 1904 01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,209 of the deck, 1905 01:16:09,292 --> 01:16:11,417 and I followed him out there, 1906 01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:14,876 and I was still saying to him, you know, 1907 01:16:14,959 --> 01:16:16,375 "Just stay out of it, Chris." 1908 01:16:16,459 --> 01:16:17,792 You know, "Don't get involved in it. 1909 01:16:17,876 --> 01:16:19,042 It's important. She's got three children." 1910 01:16:19,125 --> 01:16:20,292 Da-da--you know. - Yeah. 1911 01:16:20,375 --> 01:16:24,125 - I mean, I was also a little high at the time, I might say. 1912 01:16:24,209 --> 01:16:25,250 But I calmed down. 1913 01:16:25,334 --> 01:16:30,250 You know, I guess me being out in the air and... 1914 01:16:30,334 --> 01:16:32,667 Anyway, I calmed down, 1915 01:16:32,751 --> 01:16:35,667 and we went back down below 1916 01:16:35,751 --> 01:16:37,792 and talked for a while. 1917 01:16:37,876 --> 01:16:39,250 - You and Chris? - Yeah. 1918 01:16:39,334 --> 01:16:41,709 - Uh-huh. - And he went to his cabin, 1919 01:16:41,792 --> 01:16:44,500 which was up on the other part of the--forward on the boat, 1920 01:16:44,584 --> 01:16:47,083 and Dennis-- 1921 01:16:47,167 --> 01:16:50,083 I had Dennis--you know, we swept up the glass 1922 01:16:50,167 --> 01:16:54,292 off the floor and cleaned up the salon a bit. 1923 01:16:54,375 --> 01:16:57,375 And we talked about leaving the next day 1924 01:16:57,459 --> 01:16:59,292 to go back to the mainland, 1925 01:16:59,375 --> 01:17:02,125 and then I went below, and when I went below, 1926 01:17:02,209 --> 01:17:04,125 she wasn't there, 1927 01:17:04,209 --> 01:17:06,667 and so I looked around. 1928 01:17:06,751 --> 01:17:10,250 I looked in the bathroom, and she wasn't in the bathroom, 1929 01:17:10,334 --> 01:17:13,334 and I went on the aft end of the boat, 1930 01:17:13,417 --> 01:17:14,834 and the dinghy was gone, 1931 01:17:14,918 --> 01:17:16,209 and I came back up, and I said-- 1932 01:17:16,292 --> 01:17:18,417 I got Dennis and Chris. 1933 01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:19,584 I said, you know, "Natalie's not here. 1934 01:17:19,667 --> 01:17:23,250 "She's...she's taken off, 1935 01:17:23,334 --> 01:17:24,542 "I guess, on the dinghy. 1936 01:17:24,626 --> 01:17:27,334 I better--did any of you hear it?" 1937 01:17:27,417 --> 01:17:29,542 And we--n--see, nobody heard anything. 1938 01:17:29,626 --> 01:17:30,751 - Right. - I didn't hear anything. 1939 01:17:30,834 --> 01:17:31,959 I didn't hear anything about--you know. 1940 01:17:32,042 --> 01:17:34,459 We would have heard it if-- I believe, 1941 01:17:34,542 --> 01:17:36,042 if the dinghy had fired up. 1942 01:17:36,125 --> 01:17:37,834 - Yes. 1943 01:17:37,918 --> 01:17:40,334 - So... [sighs] 1944 01:17:40,417 --> 01:17:44,375 I...called a shore boat 1945 01:17:44,459 --> 01:17:46,000 when the guys come out, 'cause I thought 1946 01:17:46,083 --> 01:17:47,500 maybe she had gone back to the restaurant 1947 01:17:47,584 --> 01:17:48,626 or back to the Isthmus, 1948 01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:49,834 where there were these little slips 1949 01:17:49,918 --> 01:17:51,000 where you could put your boat in and go in. 1950 01:17:51,083 --> 01:17:52,375 - I remember those. 1951 01:17:52,459 --> 01:17:54,250 - The dinghy wasn't there, and she wasn't there, 1952 01:17:54,334 --> 01:17:55,542 and I yelled up, and the guy says, 1953 01:17:55,626 --> 01:17:58,167 "Natalie up there?" "No, she's not here." 1954 01:17:58,250 --> 01:18:01,083 I got back, and the shore boat came back. 1955 01:18:01,167 --> 01:18:03,292 I said, "She's not-- she didn't go ashore, 1956 01:18:03,375 --> 01:18:05,083 at least to the Isthmus." - Right. 1957 01:18:05,167 --> 01:18:08,250 - So it was then that we called the shore patrol 1958 01:18:08,334 --> 01:18:09,876 and said, "Have you, you know, seen anything?" 1959 01:18:09,959 --> 01:18:11,751 "No, we haven't seen anything." 1960 01:18:11,834 --> 01:18:13,417 We called the coast guard. The coast guard came in. 1961 01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:17,751 And then, you know, we waited for a long-- 1962 01:18:17,834 --> 01:18:20,083 God, it seemed like forever to me, and... 1963 01:18:20,167 --> 01:18:21,375 - 'Cause they were looking for her, right? 1964 01:18:21,459 --> 01:18:23,000 - Yeah, they were looking for her, 1965 01:18:23,083 --> 01:18:24,250 and this man that I knew 1966 01:18:24,334 --> 01:18:25,876 and that your mother knew, Doug Bombard, 1967 01:18:25,959 --> 01:18:28,709 he took care of everything in Catalina at that time 1968 01:18:28,792 --> 01:18:32,417 and had all the moorings, of which we had one, 1969 01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:36,626 and he said, "We found her," 1970 01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:40,125 and I said... 1971 01:18:40,209 --> 01:18:44,250 "Is she okay?" and he said, "She's dead." 1972 01:18:44,334 --> 01:18:48,000 And... 1973 01:18:48,083 --> 01:18:51,250 everything just went out from under me. 1974 01:18:51,334 --> 01:18:54,959 You know, just--it just-- everything just 1975 01:18:55,042 --> 01:18:58,709 went away from me, and... 1976 01:18:58,792 --> 01:19:01,542 we were all stunned, everybody, and... 1977 01:19:01,626 --> 01:19:03,709 [somber music] 1978 01:19:03,792 --> 01:19:05,876 [sighs] 1979 01:19:05,959 --> 01:19:09,334 That night's gone through my mind so many times, 1980 01:19:09,417 --> 01:19:13,250 you can imagine, and... 1981 01:19:13,334 --> 01:19:17,542 and I... 1982 01:19:17,626 --> 01:19:19,292 You know, Chris was there with me. 1983 01:19:19,375 --> 01:19:24,667 He, by the way, is a very stand-up guy 1984 01:19:24,751 --> 01:19:27,667 and a gentleman, a true gentleman. 1985 01:19:27,751 --> 01:19:29,000 - I remember that Mart told me 1986 01:19:29,083 --> 01:19:31,542 that he picked you and Chris Walken up 1987 01:19:31,626 --> 01:19:33,667 at the helicopter... - Pad, yeah. 1988 01:19:33,751 --> 01:19:36,000 - And you drove to see Arthur Malin... 1989 01:19:36,083 --> 01:19:37,459 - Mm-hmm. - Your therapist, 1990 01:19:37,542 --> 01:19:38,918 because you needed to talk to him 1991 01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,292 about how you were gonna tell Courtney and I. 1992 01:19:41,375 --> 01:19:44,584 - He said to me... 1993 01:19:44,667 --> 01:19:46,876 "RJ," he said, "I'll just tell you one thing. 1994 01:19:46,959 --> 01:19:48,292 "Don't minimize it. 1995 01:19:48,375 --> 01:19:53,000 Just tell them actually how devastating it is." 1996 01:19:53,083 --> 01:19:54,626 And I remember, I took you in my arms, 1997 01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:56,792 and, you know, you were at the bottom of the stairs. 1998 01:19:56,876 --> 01:19:58,751 You remember? 1999 01:19:58,834 --> 01:20:03,375 And I said about your mother. 2000 01:20:03,459 --> 01:20:07,209 - And then we were all together. 2001 01:20:07,292 --> 01:20:09,667 - And we've been all together. 2002 01:20:09,751 --> 01:20:11,959 - Yeah. 2003 01:20:12,042 --> 01:20:13,375 - Thank God. 2004 01:20:13,459 --> 01:20:15,709 - Yeah. 2005 01:20:15,792 --> 01:20:17,751 - This afternoon, Natalie Wood was buried 2006 01:20:17,834 --> 01:20:19,709 in a private ceremony in Los Angeles, 2007 01:20:19,792 --> 01:20:22,334 attended only by family and close friends. 2008 01:20:22,417 --> 01:20:26,042 - The funeral was another media storm. 2009 01:20:26,125 --> 01:20:29,000 They weren't allowed into the cemetery, 2010 01:20:29,083 --> 01:20:31,083 but they got ladders to get up on the wall, 2011 01:20:31,167 --> 01:20:33,709 and it was not very pleasant, 2012 01:20:33,792 --> 01:20:36,334 considering we were trying to pay our respects 2013 01:20:36,417 --> 01:20:38,542 and hold ourselves together. 2014 01:20:38,626 --> 01:20:40,792 - There was photographers everywhere, 2015 01:20:40,876 --> 01:20:42,250 taking our picture, 2016 01:20:42,334 --> 01:20:45,918 and I was thinking, "How can they take my picture 2017 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:50,667 "when I just said good-bye to my mom? 2018 01:20:50,751 --> 01:20:52,542 It seems so wrong." 2019 01:20:52,626 --> 01:20:54,083 - I remember your grandmother's 2020 01:20:54,167 --> 01:20:55,751 parting shot to me, 2021 01:20:55,834 --> 01:20:58,209 the last thing that she ever said to me 2022 01:20:58,292 --> 01:20:59,542 at the funeral. 2023 01:20:59,626 --> 01:21:01,125 She came up to me and said, 2024 01:21:01,209 --> 01:21:02,918 "If you," meaning me, 2025 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,542 "if you had been on that boat, 2026 01:21:06,626 --> 01:21:10,083 my daughter would be alive." 2027 01:21:10,167 --> 01:21:15,209 ♪ ♪ 2028 01:21:15,292 --> 01:21:16,792 - The day after the funeral, 2029 01:21:16,876 --> 01:21:20,125 there was a big, bizarre, hysterical party at the house. 2030 01:21:20,209 --> 01:21:22,626 RJ was in bed upstairs, 2031 01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:24,751 and there were all these movie stars there. 2032 01:21:24,834 --> 01:21:26,792 It was really odd. I mean, to me, it was odd. 2033 01:21:26,876 --> 01:21:30,500 It was like Madame Tussauds brought to life, almost, 2034 01:21:30,584 --> 01:21:33,292 and Elizabeth Taylor was there with the crystal ball, 2035 01:21:33,375 --> 01:21:36,167 and Shirley MacLaine was gonna heal RJ, 2036 01:21:36,250 --> 01:21:39,334 and it was just really completely surreal atmosphere, 2037 01:21:39,417 --> 01:21:40,500 I thought. 2038 01:21:40,584 --> 01:21:42,751 - I definitely was trying to be strong 2039 01:21:42,834 --> 01:21:46,751 because my Daddy Wagner was so very fragile. 2040 01:21:46,834 --> 01:21:50,959 I was worried that if I was too upset 2041 01:21:51,042 --> 01:21:53,334 that it would be too much for him 2042 01:21:53,417 --> 01:21:56,000 and he would just drop dead. 2043 01:21:56,083 --> 01:21:57,584 - He was really suffering, 2044 01:21:57,667 --> 01:22:00,542 and he didn't leave the bed for days, 2045 01:22:00,626 --> 01:22:02,125 and then Willie Mae, 2046 01:22:02,209 --> 01:22:03,918 who was really part of the family, 2047 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,751 she came up to the bedroom, and she said, 2048 01:22:05,834 --> 01:22:06,959 "RJ, you have to get up 2049 01:22:07,042 --> 01:22:08,209 "and get out of this bed right now. 2050 01:22:08,292 --> 01:22:10,167 Your girls think you're gonna die." 2051 01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:11,667 And that was that. 2052 01:22:11,751 --> 01:22:14,042 Thank God for Willie Mae, you know? 2053 01:22:14,125 --> 01:22:15,542 - Well, I remember Willie Mae, 2054 01:22:15,626 --> 01:22:17,500 she helped me get up, 2055 01:22:17,584 --> 01:22:20,500 and I pulled myself together, and... 2056 01:22:20,584 --> 01:22:22,792 one foot went in front of the other. 2057 01:22:22,876 --> 01:22:24,792 - Slowly. 2058 01:22:24,876 --> 01:22:27,125 - Very slowly. 2059 01:22:27,209 --> 01:22:29,626 - The press didn't go away. 2060 01:22:29,709 --> 01:22:31,792 It was really horrible. 2061 01:22:31,876 --> 01:22:33,292 The children couldn't go out. 2062 01:22:33,375 --> 01:22:34,626 They could go in the back garden, 2063 01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:36,584 but they certainly couldn't go out the front, 2064 01:22:36,667 --> 01:22:40,834 and every friend that came up to pay their respects, 2065 01:22:40,918 --> 01:22:42,459 click, click, click, click, click. 2066 01:22:42,542 --> 01:22:45,584 - Most people can't imagine what that's like, 2067 01:22:45,667 --> 01:22:47,834 to live in that kind of a fishbowl, 2068 01:22:47,918 --> 01:22:50,334 and so RJ 2069 01:22:50,417 --> 01:22:53,167 didn't want to be at home at Christmas. 2070 01:22:53,250 --> 01:22:55,876 - We then went away for Christmas to Switzerland 2071 01:22:55,959 --> 01:22:57,709 to see his friend David Niven 2072 01:22:57,792 --> 01:23:01,375 and be there and just get away from the mania 2073 01:23:01,459 --> 01:23:02,375 that was going on around the house 2074 01:23:02,459 --> 01:23:03,709 on Cañon Drive at the time. 2075 01:23:03,792 --> 01:23:05,125 - And RJ brought the kids, 2076 01:23:05,209 --> 01:23:07,000 encouraged by my father 2077 01:23:07,083 --> 01:23:08,375 to get out of town, 2078 01:23:08,459 --> 01:23:10,834 and found a chalet for RJ 2079 01:23:10,918 --> 01:23:14,042 not far from my father's chalet. 2080 01:23:14,125 --> 01:23:17,667 - Soon after that, my dad wanted us to go 2081 01:23:17,751 --> 01:23:20,959 to England to be with Richard Gregson. 2082 01:23:21,042 --> 01:23:24,334 - It was New Year's Eve, just after the accident. 2083 01:23:24,417 --> 01:23:26,918 There were reporters hanging off the trees, 2084 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,751 and RJ was walking around the garden 2085 01:23:28,834 --> 01:23:30,959 with Richard in tears, 2086 01:23:31,042 --> 01:23:32,918 but at the same time, we had a party. 2087 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,626 You know, we had fun, if that sounds odd. 2088 01:23:35,709 --> 01:23:37,250 - There was so much activity. 2089 01:23:37,334 --> 01:23:39,083 When we were traveling and stuff, 2090 01:23:39,167 --> 01:23:41,834 that seemed rather comforting to me. 2091 01:23:41,918 --> 01:23:44,417 I think it was finally coming back home 2092 01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:46,250 and, like, going back to school, 2093 01:23:46,334 --> 01:23:48,125 that didn't feel right. 2094 01:23:48,209 --> 01:23:50,083 - My parents had tried so hard to give us 2095 01:23:50,167 --> 01:23:52,542 this very stabilized and structured life, 2096 01:23:52,626 --> 01:23:56,542 and then when she died, everything went upside down. 2097 01:23:56,626 --> 01:24:00,542 So I think it was a lot of just surviving for a while. 2098 01:24:05,876 --> 01:24:09,167 - When I went to pay the condolence call 2099 01:24:09,250 --> 01:24:10,918 to the Wagner house, 2100 01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,667 he was broken. 2101 01:24:12,751 --> 01:24:14,667 They were all broken. 2102 01:24:14,751 --> 01:24:17,626 And I had experienced loss of my own. 2103 01:24:17,709 --> 01:24:20,959 I had lost my ex-husband in a plane crash. 2104 01:24:21,042 --> 01:24:23,709 I knew what loss felt like. 2105 01:24:23,792 --> 01:24:27,083 - When Jill came into my life, I was shattered. 2106 01:24:27,167 --> 01:24:29,751 I mean, I was totally empty, 2107 01:24:29,834 --> 01:24:32,751 and she had me by my elbow. 2108 01:24:32,834 --> 01:24:35,042 She was holding me up, 2109 01:24:35,125 --> 01:24:38,417 and I was a lot of weight. 2110 01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:40,417 - We did fall in love 2111 01:24:40,500 --> 01:24:43,459 but not exactly immediately. 2112 01:24:43,542 --> 01:24:45,459 There was such pain 2113 01:24:45,542 --> 01:24:47,417 from such a loss, 2114 01:24:47,500 --> 01:24:49,375 and it took time. 2115 01:24:49,459 --> 01:24:51,167 Fortunately for us, 2116 01:24:51,250 --> 01:24:53,542 it evolved into something quite beautiful. 2117 01:24:53,626 --> 01:24:56,209 - You know, in the beginning, when Daddy Wagner and Jill 2118 01:24:56,292 --> 01:24:57,500 started dating, 2119 01:24:57,584 --> 01:24:59,500 I would express to him at times 2120 01:24:59,584 --> 01:25:01,584 that it was painful and I didn't like it 2121 01:25:01,667 --> 01:25:04,000 and I didn't feel close to Jill, 2122 01:25:04,083 --> 01:25:06,459 and she and I talked about it in therapy. 2123 01:25:06,542 --> 01:25:10,667 I mean, it was definitely a process. 2124 01:25:10,751 --> 01:25:13,709 - After my mom passed away and even now, 2125 01:25:13,792 --> 01:25:15,792 I feel like I have this ever-present echo 2126 01:25:15,876 --> 01:25:18,876 in my ear that just sounds like it says... 2127 01:25:18,959 --> 01:25:20,834 [whispering] "That's Natalie Wood's daughter. 2128 01:25:20,918 --> 01:25:22,667 That's Natalie Wood's daughter." 2129 01:25:22,751 --> 01:25:24,083 You know, and I just hear that, 2130 01:25:24,167 --> 01:25:25,500 and the only thing I can think of 2131 01:25:25,584 --> 01:25:29,292 that I have to balance that weird feeling 2132 01:25:29,375 --> 01:25:32,876 is my sister Natasha, you know, and my sister Katie. 2133 01:25:32,959 --> 01:25:35,751 I just thank God we had each other during that 2134 01:25:35,834 --> 01:25:37,209 and just in life anyway, 2135 01:25:37,292 --> 01:25:40,334 because I'm so, so close with my sisters. 2136 01:25:40,417 --> 01:25:43,709 - Courtney was so young. She was only seven. 2137 01:25:43,792 --> 01:25:45,876 To think that she lost her mom at that age 2138 01:25:45,959 --> 01:25:47,792 is unimaginable, 2139 01:25:47,876 --> 01:25:49,542 and I think she wanted 2140 01:25:49,626 --> 01:25:52,000 to numb the pain, she wanted to stop it, 2141 01:25:52,083 --> 01:25:54,209 so she struggled with drugs and alcohol 2142 01:25:54,292 --> 01:25:56,000 for a really long time, 2143 01:25:56,083 --> 01:25:58,834 and there were times when I absolutely thought 2144 01:25:58,918 --> 01:26:00,709 that I would lose my sister. 2145 01:26:03,125 --> 01:26:04,834 - When we as a family 2146 01:26:04,918 --> 01:26:07,334 addressed Courtney's struggles, 2147 01:26:07,417 --> 01:26:11,042 we were all able to speak from our hearts 2148 01:26:11,125 --> 01:26:13,584 things, perhaps, we hadn't vocalized before 2149 01:26:13,667 --> 01:26:15,375 of how we felt, 2150 01:26:15,459 --> 01:26:18,918 and I believe it brought us closer as a family. 2151 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,083 - The main thing that sobriety has brought me 2152 01:26:22,167 --> 01:26:25,292 is that that is where I can have 2153 01:26:25,375 --> 01:26:27,083 total control of my life. 2154 01:26:27,167 --> 01:26:28,459 I thought that the other night. 2155 01:26:28,542 --> 01:26:29,918 I thought, "You know what? 2156 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,417 "I'm in control of my life now, 2157 01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:34,375 and I don't have to worry about anything." 2158 01:26:34,459 --> 01:26:37,375 [gentle music] 2159 01:26:37,459 --> 01:26:40,542 - When my mom was alive, she always said 2160 01:26:40,626 --> 01:26:42,209 that I wore my heart on my sleeve, 2161 01:26:42,292 --> 01:26:45,209 and I did. 2162 01:26:45,292 --> 01:26:46,500 But when she died, 2163 01:26:46,584 --> 01:26:50,292 I didn't have a safe place anymore to be vulnerable, 2164 01:26:50,375 --> 01:26:53,584 so I armored myself to the outside world 2165 01:26:53,667 --> 01:26:55,334 with, "I'm fine. I'm okay. 2166 01:26:55,417 --> 01:26:56,959 "I don't need your pity. 2167 01:26:57,042 --> 01:26:59,209 I'm just fine, thank you very much." 2168 01:26:59,292 --> 01:27:01,125 But after my mom died, 2169 01:27:01,209 --> 01:27:02,876 I found a lot of strength and clarity 2170 01:27:02,959 --> 01:27:04,292 from being in therapy, 2171 01:27:04,375 --> 01:27:06,542 and I knew that I wanted to have a child. 2172 01:27:06,626 --> 01:27:09,042 That was really important, 2173 01:27:09,125 --> 01:27:10,334 and after my daughter was born, 2174 01:27:10,417 --> 01:27:13,959 I was flooded with so much happiness 2175 01:27:14,042 --> 01:27:15,292 and gratitude, 2176 01:27:15,375 --> 01:27:17,375 so I named my daughter Clover, 2177 01:27:17,459 --> 01:27:19,709 not necessarily after the character 2178 01:27:19,792 --> 01:27:22,751 that my mom played, Daisy Clover, 2179 01:27:22,834 --> 01:27:25,751 but mostly because clovers are lucky 2180 01:27:25,834 --> 01:27:28,584 and I felt so lucky to have her. 2181 01:27:28,667 --> 01:27:30,584 And having my daughter has been 2182 01:27:30,667 --> 01:27:35,417 the most healing thing for me. 2183 01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:36,918 - There's a development tonight 2184 01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,626 in one of Hollywood's most enduring mysteries, 2185 01:27:39,709 --> 01:27:41,542 the death of Natalie Wood. 2186 01:27:41,626 --> 01:27:44,667 - What do we think about, recently, 2187 01:27:44,751 --> 01:27:46,209 them reopening this case? 2188 01:27:46,292 --> 01:27:48,542 - Wood's death was ruled an accidental drowning, 2189 01:27:48,626 --> 01:27:50,000 but in 2011, 2190 01:27:50,083 --> 01:27:51,500 Los Angeles sheriff's detectives 2191 01:27:51,584 --> 01:27:52,500 reopened the case 2192 01:27:52,584 --> 01:27:54,834 after Dennis Davern coauthored a book 2193 01:27:54,918 --> 01:27:56,834 in which he gave a very different account 2194 01:27:56,918 --> 01:27:58,083 of what happened that night. 2195 01:27:58,167 --> 01:28:01,042 - I believe that Robert Wagner was with her 2196 01:28:01,125 --> 01:28:03,042 up until the moment she went into the water. 2197 01:28:03,125 --> 01:28:04,209 - I mean, I know how I feel. 2198 01:28:04,292 --> 01:28:05,959 I feel like people just want 2199 01:28:06,042 --> 01:28:08,626 to have some kind of media storm. 2200 01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:10,792 - This new information is substantial enough 2201 01:28:10,876 --> 01:28:12,626 for us to want to take another look at the case. 2202 01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:15,542 - Is Robert Wagner a suspect? - No. 2203 01:28:15,626 --> 01:28:18,918 - Oh, the--it's just so transparent to me. 2204 01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,876 They can print anything that they want to print today, 2205 01:28:20,959 --> 01:28:23,876 and, you know, there was the coast guard. 2206 01:28:23,959 --> 01:28:25,584 There was the highway patrol, 2207 01:28:25,667 --> 01:28:27,209 the police department. 2208 01:28:27,292 --> 01:28:29,042 Everybody was on this. 2209 01:28:29,125 --> 01:28:31,250 - When it first happened, yes. - When it first happened. 2210 01:28:31,334 --> 01:28:33,876 - Shortly after midnight 2211 01:28:33,959 --> 01:28:36,751 of the Sunday morning, 2212 01:28:36,834 --> 01:28:39,834 she apparently attempted 2213 01:28:39,918 --> 01:28:44,125 to get onto the dinghy, 2214 01:28:44,209 --> 01:28:47,500 slipped, and fell in the water, 2215 01:28:47,584 --> 01:28:52,000 unable to return to the dinghy or the boat. 2216 01:28:52,083 --> 01:28:55,209 - Noguchi said there was no evidence of foul play. 2217 01:28:55,292 --> 01:28:56,667 He did indicate, however, 2218 01:28:56,751 --> 01:28:59,626 that tests revealed Ms. Wood was technically drunk 2219 01:28:59,709 --> 01:29:01,918 but continually referred to Wood's condition 2220 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,751 as "slightly inebriated." 2221 01:29:03,834 --> 01:29:05,083 He nevertheless admitted 2222 01:29:05,167 --> 01:29:07,042 that alcohol might have been one reason 2223 01:29:07,125 --> 01:29:09,417 why the actress was rendered unconscious. 2224 01:29:09,500 --> 01:29:13,250 - When the toxicology report came out after Natalie drowned, 2225 01:29:13,334 --> 01:29:14,209 it was clear that there was 2226 01:29:14,292 --> 01:29:15,584 a lot of alcohol in her system. 2227 01:29:15,667 --> 01:29:16,751 There was also a Dalmane, 2228 01:29:16,834 --> 01:29:18,250 the sleeping pill that she took. 2229 01:29:18,334 --> 01:29:21,042 - The assumption was, when she went down below, 2230 01:29:21,125 --> 01:29:22,918 she could have gone out 2231 01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,876 to retie the dinghy. 2232 01:29:24,959 --> 01:29:27,042 - Well, I remember it used to drive her crazy, 2233 01:29:27,125 --> 01:29:29,542 and she would always say, "RJ, can you move the dinghy? 2234 01:29:29,626 --> 01:29:32,334 - Yeah, 'cause it-- - 'Cause the way the water hit 2235 01:29:32,417 --> 01:29:34,209 up against the boat, it would bang, 2236 01:29:34,292 --> 01:29:36,042 and she was so sensitive to noise. 2237 01:29:36,125 --> 01:29:37,834 - Yeah, and when she went out there, was-- 2238 01:29:37,918 --> 01:29:39,834 it was a slight mist that night... 2239 01:29:39,918 --> 01:29:43,000 - Mm-hmm. - And the assumption is that 2240 01:29:43,083 --> 01:29:45,000 she went out and slipped 2241 01:29:45,083 --> 01:29:47,000 and hit her head 2242 01:29:47,083 --> 01:29:49,250 and rolled into the water. - Mm-hmm. 2243 01:29:49,334 --> 01:29:51,042 - But there's always conjecture 2244 01:29:51,125 --> 01:29:53,334 about someone who's very famous, 2245 01:29:53,417 --> 01:29:57,000 and your mother was a very famous person. 2246 01:29:57,083 --> 01:29:58,459 And there's always conjecture, I think, 2247 01:29:58,542 --> 01:29:59,792 you know, that always comes up 2248 01:29:59,876 --> 01:30:01,167 but not to this degree. 2249 01:30:01,250 --> 01:30:02,792 I mean, this has really been something 2250 01:30:02,876 --> 01:30:04,459 that the media has taken over. 2251 01:30:04,542 --> 01:30:06,083 - We were approached by a news agency 2252 01:30:06,167 --> 01:30:08,083 who wanted to take another look at the case. 2253 01:30:08,167 --> 01:30:09,459 We thought it was a good idea 2254 01:30:09,542 --> 01:30:11,042 to try and go ahead and do that. 2255 01:30:11,125 --> 01:30:12,918 - What's a person of interest? 2256 01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,584 - Just that. He's a person of interest 2257 01:30:14,667 --> 01:30:17,709 like...he was there with her, 2258 01:30:17,792 --> 01:30:20,292 last person with her before she ends up dead. 2259 01:30:20,375 --> 01:30:22,417 - How does it make you feel 2260 01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:24,834 when they call you a person of interest? 2261 01:30:24,918 --> 01:30:27,375 - I don't pay very much attention to it, Natasha, 2262 01:30:27,459 --> 01:30:29,375 because they're not gonna redefine me. 2263 01:30:29,459 --> 01:30:30,834 - That's right. 2264 01:30:30,918 --> 01:30:32,042 - You know, they're not gonna redefine me. 2265 01:30:32,125 --> 01:30:33,334 I know who I am. 2266 01:30:33,417 --> 01:30:37,167 - But it's important to me, Daddy, that people 2267 01:30:37,250 --> 01:30:40,876 think of you the way I know that you are, 2268 01:30:40,959 --> 01:30:44,459 and it bothers me that anyone would ever think 2269 01:30:44,542 --> 01:30:47,792 that you would be involved in what happened to her, 2270 01:30:47,876 --> 01:30:52,125 because you would've given your life for my mom. 2271 01:30:52,209 --> 01:30:54,125 - And that's true. I would've. 2272 01:30:54,209 --> 01:30:57,459 We all would've. I mean, if there was an-- 2273 01:30:57,542 --> 01:30:58,459 if we'd have heard anything 2274 01:30:58,542 --> 01:31:00,459 or known anything that was going on 2275 01:31:00,542 --> 01:31:02,792 or any kind of disaster was gonna take place, 2276 01:31:02,876 --> 01:31:04,918 we'd have been there. 2277 01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,209 - Have you ever been back to Catalina? 2278 01:31:07,292 --> 01:31:10,292 - No, I never have gone back to the island. 2279 01:31:11,584 --> 01:31:13,042 I see it once in a while. 2280 01:31:13,125 --> 01:31:14,709 You know how sometimes you can see it, 2281 01:31:14,792 --> 01:31:16,209 it's so clear? - Mm-hmm. 2282 01:31:16,292 --> 01:31:19,751 - Or if I'm taking off from LAX, you know, 2283 01:31:19,834 --> 01:31:22,667 they turn to the south, and you go by the island, 2284 01:31:22,751 --> 01:31:24,459 and I look down at the Isthmus, 2285 01:31:24,542 --> 01:31:27,167 and I think of all of the great times 2286 01:31:27,250 --> 01:31:28,209 that we had there 2287 01:31:28,292 --> 01:31:30,667 and all of the wonderful life-giving experiences, 2288 01:31:30,751 --> 01:31:34,000 and...you know, it's just so ironic 2289 01:31:34,083 --> 01:31:37,292 that this all happened, 2290 01:31:37,375 --> 01:31:39,500 you know, that it came to an end like that, so... 2291 01:31:39,584 --> 01:31:41,375 No, but I never have been back. 2292 01:31:41,459 --> 01:31:43,334 - Do you have any interest in going back? 2293 01:31:43,417 --> 01:31:44,709 - Not particularly, no. 2294 01:31:44,792 --> 01:31:46,250 - Do you think that the real story 2295 01:31:46,334 --> 01:31:49,751 of Natalie Wood's death has actually come out? 2296 01:31:49,834 --> 01:31:51,751 - The real story of her death 2297 01:31:51,834 --> 01:31:53,459 is that she... 2298 01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,000 Drowned, 2299 01:31:57,083 --> 01:32:00,751 and...nobody knows how she drowned 2300 01:32:00,834 --> 01:32:02,751 or what happened 2301 01:32:02,834 --> 01:32:05,751 except...her. 2302 01:32:05,834 --> 01:32:07,876 [quick piano music] 2303 01:32:07,959 --> 01:32:10,417 - Even if you have black and white in the situation, 2304 01:32:10,500 --> 01:32:12,792 the tabloid media will create gray, 2305 01:32:12,876 --> 01:32:14,542 so every year around the anniversary 2306 01:32:14,626 --> 01:32:16,375 of Natalie's death, you'd always start 2307 01:32:16,459 --> 01:32:18,500 to see things pop up, 2308 01:32:18,584 --> 01:32:20,751 'cause that's when they can sell the most. 2309 01:32:20,834 --> 01:32:22,876 And I've had conversations with editors. 2310 01:32:22,959 --> 01:32:26,334 "Why do you keep running these awful stories today?" 2311 01:32:26,417 --> 01:32:28,709 "Because they still want to read about it, 2312 01:32:28,792 --> 01:32:30,751 so they're still making us money." 2313 01:32:30,834 --> 01:32:32,292 A lot of people have made money 2314 01:32:32,375 --> 01:32:33,959 off of Natalie Wood's death. 2315 01:32:34,042 --> 01:32:37,792 - On that level, they're just barracudas. 2316 01:32:37,876 --> 01:32:39,083 They're just feeding on something 2317 01:32:39,167 --> 01:32:41,626 that means nothing to them, 2318 01:32:41,709 --> 01:32:45,626 and because this meant so much to us, 2319 01:32:45,709 --> 01:32:49,125 to ever exploit this situation 2320 01:32:49,209 --> 01:32:50,834 would be criminal to do that, 2321 01:32:50,918 --> 01:32:53,751 and I know there are people who want to talk about it, 2322 01:32:53,834 --> 01:32:56,417 but they're doing it for themselves, 2323 01:32:56,500 --> 01:32:57,626 and how dare they? 2324 01:32:57,709 --> 01:33:00,000 How dare they? 2325 01:33:00,083 --> 01:33:01,626 - I think the investigation 2326 01:33:01,709 --> 01:33:03,125 was mishandled from the beginning. 2327 01:33:03,209 --> 01:33:06,334 Things were oversimplified and ignored. 2328 01:33:06,417 --> 01:33:09,417 Conspiracy is a bit far-fetched, 2329 01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:14,334 but were things covered up and overlooked purposefully? 2330 01:33:14,417 --> 01:33:16,334 I'm certain they were. 2331 01:33:16,417 --> 01:33:19,083 - What I read in the press and I see on these TV shows 2332 01:33:19,167 --> 01:33:21,000 when Lana appears 2333 01:33:21,083 --> 01:33:23,167 really upsets me 2334 01:33:23,250 --> 01:33:25,167 'cause it hurts RJ, it hurts the girls, 2335 01:33:25,250 --> 01:33:28,334 it hurts the memory of Natalie, 2336 01:33:28,417 --> 01:33:31,334 and it makes me sad and angry. 2337 01:33:31,417 --> 01:33:33,042 - Are you suggesting 2338 01:33:33,125 --> 01:33:36,584 that he knocked her out in some way 2339 01:33:36,667 --> 01:33:38,000 and threw her in the water, or-- 2340 01:33:38,083 --> 01:33:40,959 - It is something like that, absolutely. 2341 01:33:41,042 --> 01:33:43,125 - Natalie was very kind to Lana, 2342 01:33:43,209 --> 01:33:45,792 very respectful of her situation, 2343 01:33:45,876 --> 01:33:48,125 because Natalie was the one who was the big success 2344 01:33:48,209 --> 01:33:49,709 with the parents, 2345 01:33:49,792 --> 01:33:52,375 and Natalie took great care of her. 2346 01:33:52,459 --> 01:33:54,584 - Lana became an actress, 2347 01:33:54,667 --> 01:33:57,042 I think, because her sister was a star, 2348 01:33:57,125 --> 01:33:59,042 and her name was not Wood, 2349 01:33:59,125 --> 01:34:01,918 but her mother changed it to Lana Wood. 2350 01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,709 - I don't know; the whole thing with Lana, 2351 01:34:03,792 --> 01:34:05,375 it's just... 2352 01:34:05,459 --> 01:34:08,959 I don't even think she believes what she's saying. 2353 01:34:09,042 --> 01:34:11,542 I think she's just angry, and I can understand that. 2354 01:34:11,626 --> 01:34:13,667 I can understand being angry. 2355 01:34:13,751 --> 01:34:15,959 I can certainly understand having misplaced feelings. 2356 01:34:16,042 --> 01:34:18,167 I can understand all of that, 2357 01:34:18,250 --> 01:34:20,792 but when I just think about, like, my dad 2358 01:34:20,876 --> 01:34:22,417 having to deal with any of this stuff, 2359 01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:24,709 it's just so hard to even imagine 2360 01:34:24,792 --> 01:34:28,876 when, you know, he experienced, like, a true nightmare. 2361 01:34:28,959 --> 01:34:31,000 I mean, a true nightmare. 2362 01:34:31,083 --> 01:34:33,250 - One thing that I've heard Lana say 2363 01:34:33,334 --> 01:34:35,918 is that my stepdad, RJ, 2364 01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,417 kept her away from us, 2365 01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:40,751 but I don't have a memory of being close to Lana 2366 01:34:40,834 --> 01:34:42,584 even before my mom died. 2367 01:34:42,667 --> 01:34:45,125 When she would come to our house on Cañon Drive, 2368 01:34:45,209 --> 01:34:47,959 it always felt like she was more focused on my mom 2369 01:34:48,042 --> 01:34:49,292 than Courtney or me, 2370 01:34:49,375 --> 01:34:52,375 so I never had that kind of relationship with her 2371 01:34:52,459 --> 01:34:55,083 that my daughter has with my sisters. 2372 01:34:55,167 --> 01:34:59,042 And she's literally accused my dad of killing my mom 2373 01:34:59,125 --> 01:35:02,626 when that's the farthest thing from the truth. 2374 01:35:03,792 --> 01:35:06,542 - Sadly, some of the residue of the tragedy 2375 01:35:06,626 --> 01:35:08,167 will always be there, 2376 01:35:08,250 --> 01:35:10,709 because people like drama, don't they, and tragedy, 2377 01:35:10,792 --> 01:35:13,417 and they'll have theories about it. 2378 01:35:13,500 --> 01:35:15,209 And even my friends sometimes say-- 2379 01:35:15,292 --> 01:35:17,876 you know, they almost, like, take you aside and say, 2380 01:35:17,959 --> 01:35:20,000 "Okay, you can tell me what really happened," 2381 01:35:20,083 --> 01:35:23,792 as if you have some great scoop on it. 2382 01:35:23,876 --> 01:35:27,125 - Natalie Wood falls into the category 2383 01:35:27,209 --> 01:35:29,250 of Marilyn Monroe, 2384 01:35:29,334 --> 01:35:30,792 Elvis Presley. 2385 01:35:30,876 --> 01:35:32,834 They were such icons, 2386 01:35:32,918 --> 01:35:35,000 the things about their passing 2387 01:35:35,083 --> 01:35:37,250 will always be brought up. 2388 01:35:37,334 --> 01:35:39,876 But Natalie is not a headline. 2389 01:35:39,959 --> 01:35:42,417 Natalie was a life well lived. 2390 01:35:42,500 --> 01:35:44,250 It was foreshortened, 2391 01:35:44,334 --> 01:35:46,876 but she did a lot in that lifetime 2392 01:35:46,959 --> 01:35:49,876 for her children, for her friends, 2393 01:35:49,959 --> 01:35:51,667 for the industry. 2394 01:35:51,751 --> 01:35:53,500 She made a difference. 2395 01:35:53,584 --> 01:35:56,125 - It's really sad that she died when she did, 2396 01:35:56,209 --> 01:35:59,000 because it'd be really great to see what she was gonna do 2397 01:35:59,083 --> 01:36:02,626 as a woman in her 40s and 50s 2398 01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:05,709 and the kinds of roles she would take on over time 2399 01:36:05,792 --> 01:36:07,375 because she was always grappling 2400 01:36:07,459 --> 01:36:09,834 with what it means to be a woman 2401 01:36:09,918 --> 01:36:12,375 in different stages of life. - Ah! 2402 01:36:12,459 --> 01:36:14,334 - But that's the great thing about being an actor. 2403 01:36:14,417 --> 01:36:18,125 You're always alive. Those movies still exist. 2404 01:36:18,209 --> 01:36:19,709 - Natalie was unique. 2405 01:36:19,792 --> 01:36:23,125 She doesn't have a false moment in her films. 2406 01:36:23,209 --> 01:36:24,834 She didn't "act." 2407 01:36:24,918 --> 01:36:27,334 She found something in her gut, 2408 01:36:27,417 --> 01:36:29,542 in her heart, and in her intellect, 2409 01:36:29,626 --> 01:36:31,542 and she applied all of that. 2410 01:36:31,626 --> 01:36:33,709 - I love you, Mother. 2411 01:36:33,792 --> 01:36:36,459 - And young women seeing that now, 2412 01:36:36,542 --> 01:36:39,000 supposing you decide to catch one of these movies, 2413 01:36:39,083 --> 01:36:40,417 you'd be struck 2414 01:36:40,500 --> 01:36:44,000 by a multidimensional young woman 2415 01:36:44,083 --> 01:36:47,542 unafraid to show her vulnerabilities, 2416 01:36:47,626 --> 01:36:50,375 her passion, her strength, 2417 01:36:50,459 --> 01:36:52,292 and her intelligence. 2418 01:36:52,375 --> 01:36:53,918 All of that is there. 2419 01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,375 - Won't you join me back in the limelight, 2420 01:36:55,459 --> 01:36:56,959 little lady of pain? 2421 01:36:58,125 --> 01:36:59,167 All she was ever looking for 2422 01:36:59,250 --> 01:37:02,918 was the comfort of good friends, good people, 2423 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,417 and being able to be a normal human being. 2424 01:37:05,500 --> 01:37:07,125 That was her search. 2425 01:37:07,209 --> 01:37:09,334 It was so hard against the reputation 2426 01:37:09,417 --> 01:37:10,500 of being a movie star. 2427 01:37:10,584 --> 01:37:13,584 And I witnessed her desire, her reaching out 2428 01:37:13,667 --> 01:37:16,334 to try to be just a regular human being 2429 01:37:16,417 --> 01:37:18,125 against the odds of being treated 2430 01:37:18,209 --> 01:37:19,292 like a movie star, 2431 01:37:19,375 --> 01:37:21,250 and she did it beautifully. 2432 01:37:23,167 --> 01:37:26,083 [gentle orchestral waltz] 2433 01:37:26,167 --> 01:37:33,125 ♪ ♪ 2434 01:38:25,542 --> 01:38:28,459 [soft music] 2435 01:38:28,542 --> 01:38:35,542 ♪ ♪ 2436 01:39:56,751 --> 01:39:59,167 [bright tone]