1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,400 We've always loved horror. 2 00:00:08,450 --> 00:00:11,450 It's just that horror, unfortunately, 3 00:00:11,490 --> 00:00:13,970 hasn't always loved us. 4 00:00:23,460 --> 00:00:25,510 - Zombie! [indistinct]! 5 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,820 - What have we got here? 6 00:00:29,860 --> 00:00:31,640 - 7 00:00:31,690 --> 00:00:34,430 Terror and voodoo and all the weird black magic 8 00:00:34,470 --> 00:00:36,610 that the white man seldom see. 9 00:00:38,910 --> 00:00:40,870 - I'm gettin' outta here now! 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,090 You can be the boss down there. 11 00:00:44,130 --> 00:00:45,180 I'm boss up here. 12 00:00:45,220 --> 00:00:47,010 - Yes! That's history. 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,880 - 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,060 - "The name is Blacula!" 15 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:55,890 - 16 00:00:55,930 --> 00:00:58,580 - Is there any more scary imagery than this? 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,720 - I wanna hear you scream. 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,640 - It's cool to see yourself on the screen. 19 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,330 - There's something so powerful about scaring someone. 20 00:01:10,380 --> 00:01:11,340 - 21 00:01:11,380 --> 00:01:12,470 - Oh, my goodness. 22 00:01:12,510 --> 00:01:13,820 Allow me at least a kiss. 23 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:15,910 - I've been waiting for you, boy. 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:17,990 - Phew! 25 00:01:19,210 --> 00:01:21,740 - 26 00:01:24,780 --> 00:01:26,050 - Oh, my God. 27 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,790 - Yes, get rid of that, son. 28 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:32,140 - 29 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:36,750 - Isn't that beautiful? 30 00:01:45,850 --> 00:01:48,760 It's crazy. 31 00:01:48,810 --> 00:01:55,730 You got me all here in this creepy, confusing ass subarba. 32 00:01:55,770 --> 00:01:59,730 You all so serious, though? 33 00:01:59,780 --> 00:02:02,170 I feel like a sore thumb out here. 34 00:02:02,210 --> 00:02:03,260 Lakeith. Oh, yeah. 35 00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:04,690 Walking down the... 36 00:02:04,740 --> 00:02:06,350 Walking down the sidewalk at night. 37 00:02:06,390 --> 00:02:07,780 - In a suburban neighborhood. - In a suburban neighborhood. 38 00:02:07,830 --> 00:02:09,610 - On the cellphone by himself. 39 00:02:09,650 --> 00:02:10,610 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 40 00:02:10,660 --> 00:02:12,610 - Shit! - All of that. 41 00:02:12,660 --> 00:02:14,790 - I've been there. - Yeah, yeah. 42 00:02:14,830 --> 00:02:16,530 - It was the perfect black horror story. 43 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:17,580 - Yeah, really. 44 00:02:17,620 --> 00:02:20,620 - 45 00:02:20,670 --> 00:02:23,020 - I've never felt so ill at ease 46 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:26,500 because, for me, there was so much riding on this film 47 00:02:26,540 --> 00:02:29,540 in that is he going to get this right, 48 00:02:29,590 --> 00:02:31,200 not just in quality, 49 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,030 but for the way that we understand black people. 50 00:02:34,070 --> 00:02:35,160 - If there's too many white people, 51 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,770 I get nervous, you know? 52 00:02:36,810 --> 00:02:38,470 When I found out they were gonna let me 53 00:02:38,510 --> 00:02:39,820 actually direct "Get Out", 54 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:42,640 I knew something big was going to happen. 55 00:02:42,690 --> 00:02:45,600 I thought there was a chance something very bad could happen, 56 00:02:45,650 --> 00:02:49,960 that I would get run out of town, that, you know, 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,830 I thought there's a possibility that people, you know, 58 00:02:53,870 --> 00:02:58,180 don't want to see entertainment about something that... 59 00:03:00,660 --> 00:03:04,140 you know, has been traditionally dealt with 60 00:03:04,190 --> 00:03:05,540 with a certain reverence. 61 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:06,670 But I also thought, you know, 62 00:03:06,710 --> 00:03:08,450 this is the movie I wanted to see. 63 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:10,370 - To have a black protagonist, 64 00:03:10,410 --> 00:03:12,590 first of all, just in a horror trailer, 65 00:03:12,630 --> 00:03:13,630 had my attention. 66 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,720 "Huh? Wait, he might survive this." 67 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,030 He might not be the magical Negro 68 00:03:18,070 --> 00:03:19,940 or the sacrificial Negro or the first to die 69 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:21,470 and all those tropes, so it's like, 70 00:03:21,510 --> 00:03:24,080 "This is a story through a black lens by a black artist 71 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,250 and it's horror." 72 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:27,650 I thought I was in heaven. 73 00:03:27,690 --> 00:03:29,600 Jordan Peele, "Get Out". 74 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,650 This had never happened before 75 00:03:32,690 --> 00:03:36,220 to have an Oscar-nominated black horror movie. 76 00:03:36,260 --> 00:03:38,530 - And I think it really shows 77 00:03:38,570 --> 00:03:43,180 how horror films can really talk about things 78 00:03:43,230 --> 00:03:44,490 that are affecting us. 79 00:03:44,530 --> 00:03:47,670 - Black history is black horror. 80 00:04:06,470 --> 00:04:08,640 - Before we think about horror 81 00:04:08,690 --> 00:04:11,250 as we know it today, we can go back to the films 82 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:15,260 that perhaps wouldn't be on our radar as horror. 83 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:18,130 - 84 00:04:19,740 --> 00:04:21,790 - There's a character, Gus. 85 00:04:21,830 --> 00:04:24,960 Gus is a white actor in blackface 86 00:04:25,010 --> 00:04:28,530 who was depicted as being in pursuit of 87 00:04:28,580 --> 00:04:30,620 a young white girl. 88 00:04:30,670 --> 00:04:33,800 Gus is essentially lynched by the Klan. 89 00:04:36,930 --> 00:04:38,720 "The Birth of a Nation" was a horror film, 90 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,150 especially if you were a black person. 91 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:45,030 Most people, at that point, 92 00:04:45,070 --> 00:04:49,640 were getting to know what African Americans were like 93 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,950 through that film because they lived in communities 94 00:04:51,990 --> 00:04:54,730 where they had no African Americans. 95 00:04:54,780 --> 00:04:56,870 This was the only source of information 96 00:04:56,910 --> 00:04:58,650 and a lot of people got the wrong impression 97 00:04:58,690 --> 00:05:00,610 of who we are, certainly. 98 00:05:00,650 --> 00:05:02,000 - It's one of the first films 99 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,650 to be screened in the White House, 100 00:05:03,700 --> 00:05:05,700 in Woodrow Wilson's White House. 101 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:07,830 Didn't help that Woodrow Wilson said, 102 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:08,830 "That's exactly the way it is." 103 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,230 - Oh, you know, I mean... 104 00:05:11,270 --> 00:05:13,710 You know, he was a contributor to the problem. 105 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,320 - With the endorsement of the president, 106 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,800 it feels like policy. 107 00:05:20,850 --> 00:05:23,980 There were even advertisements and promotions 108 00:05:24,020 --> 00:05:27,110 that said this was essentially based on a true story 109 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,720 and it was as close to fact as one could get. 110 00:05:29,770 --> 00:05:31,200 - The Ku Klux Klan 111 00:05:31,250 --> 00:05:36,170 is being heralded as the solution to the black menace. 112 00:05:36,210 --> 00:05:38,560 - This is a movie that really solidifies 113 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:39,780 that there's this sort of 114 00:05:39,820 --> 00:05:43,300 odd black lust on the part of black men 115 00:05:43,350 --> 00:05:44,870 towards white women. 116 00:05:44,910 --> 00:05:47,000 You see it time and time again then 117 00:05:47,050 --> 00:05:48,920 throughout the horror genre, 118 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,620 from "King Kong"... 119 00:05:51,660 --> 00:05:53,180 ...to "Candyman". 120 00:05:53,230 --> 00:05:58,670 - It reigned as thepicture of black life 121 00:05:58,710 --> 00:06:00,150 for so many years. 122 00:06:00,190 --> 00:06:03,500 Hollywood could use its messaging 123 00:06:03,540 --> 00:06:06,060 to create fear around black people, 124 00:06:06,110 --> 00:06:09,200 especially fear around black men. 125 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,640 - It sets up black life and culture 126 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,730 as so deficient and so deviant 127 00:06:14,770 --> 00:06:18,730 and I think we see that kind of history 128 00:06:18,770 --> 00:06:21,690 in forming race relationships even today. 129 00:06:24,430 --> 00:06:25,740 - Dr. Clinton? 130 00:06:25,780 --> 00:06:28,130 Filmmakers in this period 131 00:06:28,170 --> 00:06:33,270 really want black actors to be what they think blackness is. 132 00:06:33,310 --> 00:06:35,220 - Don't bite on this time, Ms. Yoga. 133 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:36,750 These are the kinds of films 134 00:06:36,790 --> 00:06:38,880 that are coming out in the '20s and '30s, 135 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,530 leading up to Oscar Micheaux and Spencer Williams 136 00:06:41,580 --> 00:06:43,410 sort of saying, "Enough." 137 00:06:43,450 --> 00:06:44,890 Oscar Michaeux, 138 00:06:44,930 --> 00:06:46,980 who was one of the first African American directors, 139 00:06:47,020 --> 00:06:49,720 who would, like a lot of people 140 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,280 doing today in the independent world, 141 00:06:51,330 --> 00:06:54,720 he would have his own film crew, he would gather his actors, 142 00:06:54,770 --> 00:06:56,590 he would write a script around the actors. 143 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,120 - What Oscar Michaeux's films do 144 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,430 is say, "Don't engage in these behaviors, 145 00:07:02,470 --> 00:07:04,560 don't engage in these acts," 146 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,780 which ultimately could sort of bring down the race 147 00:07:07,820 --> 00:07:10,960 or sully the reputation of the race. 148 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,090 Oscar Michauex's making arguments 149 00:07:13,130 --> 00:07:15,870 that we are equal and to be respected 150 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,010 and to be valued as human beings. 151 00:07:19,660 --> 00:07:21,140 Spencer Williams' film 152 00:07:21,180 --> 00:07:24,750 from 1940, "The Son of Ingagi", is as interesting case. 153 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,800 Its genesis was a little bit odd 154 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,370 because there was a film called "Ingagi". 155 00:07:29,410 --> 00:07:30,980 "Ingagi" was an earlier 156 00:07:31,020 --> 00:07:34,110 low budget effort by a white director. 157 00:07:34,150 --> 00:07:35,680 - Which basically purported 158 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,550 that black Africans were mating with gorilla-like creatures. 159 00:07:40,590 --> 00:07:42,730 - "Ingagi" promises 160 00:07:42,770 --> 00:07:45,950 that it is a true story and that this mating 161 00:07:45,990 --> 00:07:51,390 has produced half-ape, half-human babies. 162 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:53,430 The whole thing is a scam. 163 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,960 - Even whites were like, "But that's not true, you know." 164 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,780 The "Son of Ingagi" is basically considered 165 00:07:57,830 --> 00:08:00,310 the first black-made horror film. 166 00:08:00,350 --> 00:08:01,440 The makeup isn't great, 167 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:02,750 and they didn't have much of a budget. 168 00:08:02,790 --> 00:08:04,100 - 169 00:08:04,140 --> 00:08:06,920 - But Spencer got it made. - Got it made, exactly. 170 00:08:06,970 --> 00:08:09,970 - And I look at that to this day as a testament. 171 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:13,930 - It stars a black woman as a scientist. 172 00:08:13,980 --> 00:08:16,850 She has a scientific lab in her basement 173 00:08:16,890 --> 00:08:20,810 and there is this ape-man that resides there 174 00:08:20,850 --> 00:08:22,290 that she has been taming 175 00:08:22,330 --> 00:08:25,420 and sort of helping this ape-man to thrive. 176 00:08:25,460 --> 00:08:27,730 - If it does what I think it will, 177 00:08:27,770 --> 00:08:30,910 I've done more for humanity than anyone else on Earth. 178 00:08:30,950 --> 00:08:32,780 - So, Spencer Williams actually 179 00:08:32,820 --> 00:08:37,610 kind of does the first black women in stem kind of film. 180 00:08:37,650 --> 00:08:39,780 You really get to see the black middle class 181 00:08:39,830 --> 00:08:41,390 on full display. 182 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,220 - 183 00:08:43,270 --> 00:08:44,090 You're seeing a bunch of black folks 184 00:08:44,140 --> 00:08:46,050 coming back from a wedding. 185 00:08:46,090 --> 00:08:50,230 It doesn't sound revolutionary, but in that era, in 1940, 186 00:08:50,270 --> 00:08:53,360 when did you ever see black people just being themselves? 187 00:08:53,410 --> 00:08:56,500 It was a way to show that not all black people 188 00:08:56,540 --> 00:08:58,280 were the way they had been depicted in films 189 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,370 up to that time. 190 00:08:59,410 --> 00:09:02,410 So we have a doctor and a lawyer, 191 00:09:02,460 --> 00:09:05,940 everyone is well-spoken, and in that way, 192 00:09:05,980 --> 00:09:10,510 it was a slice of black life that, to me, 193 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:13,990 is one of the most important aspects of that film. 194 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,300 - And if you know anything about television, 195 00:09:16,340 --> 00:09:18,780 Spencer Williams sounds familiar, right? 196 00:09:18,820 --> 00:09:22,830 He starred in the television situation comedy "Amos 'N Andy". 197 00:09:22,870 --> 00:09:26,260 - Oh, Andy, I love jokes! 198 00:09:26,310 --> 00:09:28,090 - Then you gonna like this one 199 00:09:28,140 --> 00:09:30,830 because I bought this gun at a joke store. 200 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:36,970 - So, what's sad about that 201 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:39,100 is that people will always know Williams 202 00:09:39,150 --> 00:09:41,980 as from "Amos 'N Andy", 203 00:09:42,020 --> 00:09:44,240 but what Spencer Williams contributes 204 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,500 to the history of film is absolutely unmatched. 205 00:09:48,550 --> 00:09:54,120 He sets up what we really probably think of is 206 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,160 modern black cinema today. 207 00:09:57,560 --> 00:09:59,120 By this time, Hollywood realized 208 00:09:59,170 --> 00:10:00,860 that horror was big business, 209 00:10:00,910 --> 00:10:02,560 especially during the Great Depression. 210 00:10:02,610 --> 00:10:05,170 I think people were looking for that kind of escapism in films 211 00:10:05,220 --> 00:10:07,870 and film going was like huge. 212 00:10:07,910 --> 00:10:10,530 That's where you get those Universal Studio classics like 213 00:10:10,570 --> 00:10:14,010 "Murders in the Rue Morgue", "The Mummy", "Dracula", 214 00:10:14,050 --> 00:10:16,140 "Frankenstein", "The Bride of Frankenstein". 215 00:10:16,180 --> 00:10:19,670 I love all of those films but clearly in the 1930s, 216 00:10:19,710 --> 00:10:23,320 they weren't really big on racial representation. 217 00:10:23,370 --> 00:10:25,150 Back in the '30s and '40s 218 00:10:25,190 --> 00:10:27,330 in those days, you know, 219 00:10:27,370 --> 00:10:29,020 there were only a few roles for black people. 220 00:10:29,070 --> 00:10:30,680 Yeah. - It was like a quiet servant 221 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,420 who's just basically furniture, tribesmen like in Africa 222 00:10:34,460 --> 00:10:37,070 or voodoo priestesses, that sort of thing. 223 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,510 - Hmm... At the theatre. - It was like... 224 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:42,340 - It was like the comedic buffoon 225 00:10:42,380 --> 00:10:44,820 who was like scared of his own shadow. 226 00:10:44,860 --> 00:10:46,740 227 00:10:48,740 --> 00:10:50,130 - Mantan Mulan. - Yes. 228 00:10:50,170 --> 00:10:52,520 - Was the last actor to play that kind of character 229 00:10:52,570 --> 00:10:54,220 and that was in spite of the baby, 230 00:10:54,270 --> 00:10:57,310 and after that, I would just say they were ready to move on. 231 00:10:59,490 --> 00:11:01,400 We are moving into this period 232 00:11:01,450 --> 00:11:04,280 of kind of the scientific or atomic age. 233 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,100 There's not a lot of room for servants, 234 00:11:07,150 --> 00:11:09,060 so in laboratories, 235 00:11:09,110 --> 00:11:12,150 there's no really place for blacks in that space. 236 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,590 In the '50s and '60s, 237 00:11:13,630 --> 00:11:16,460 no studio wanted to put a black scientist in there. 238 00:11:16,510 --> 00:11:21,120 That was a place where they felt black people weren't allowed in, 239 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,080 so like in hidden figures how hard it was for black people 240 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,340 to get into the space race and that sort of things, 241 00:11:26,380 --> 00:11:28,470 so it has another reason I think that black people 242 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,220 would pretty much disappear during the whole, you know, 243 00:11:31,260 --> 00:11:32,480 the decade or two. 244 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,390 - In all of those classic alien movies... 245 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,570 like"The Day the Earth Stood Still" 246 00:11:36,610 --> 00:11:39,140 and all that stuff, there are no black people 247 00:11:39,180 --> 00:11:42,230 but the "other" is this monster thing 248 00:11:42,270 --> 00:11:44,710 that I think is supposed to represent all people 249 00:11:44,750 --> 00:11:45,750 that are not white. 250 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,580 "Creature from the Black Lagoon" 251 00:11:49,630 --> 00:11:52,630 looks so much like those advertisements 252 00:11:52,670 --> 00:11:56,200 from the '20s and the '30s and the '40s. 253 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,770 The bulging lips looks just like those awful ads 254 00:12:00,810 --> 00:12:03,070 for Nigger Head Shrimp. 255 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,070 - It's like first we weren't in it, 256 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,030 we were played by white people... 257 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,340 - Yeah. - Then we were in it 258 00:12:06,380 --> 00:12:08,170 but we looked like aliens. 259 00:12:08,210 --> 00:12:10,250 - 260 00:12:10,300 --> 00:12:12,430 So here I am, this 10-year-old, 261 00:12:12,470 --> 00:12:14,650 in a drive-in theater with my mom, 262 00:12:14,690 --> 00:12:16,830 but even then, I knew that there was something 263 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:21,870 that horror was saying to me about blackness, about race. 264 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,620 I knew that King Kong was a metaphor for blackness. 265 00:12:25,660 --> 00:12:27,620 - 266 00:12:27,660 --> 00:12:29,190 - Even as a kid, there was something 267 00:12:29,230 --> 00:12:31,060 uncomfortable about it. 268 00:12:31,100 --> 00:12:33,190 - Monsters and aliens 269 00:12:33,230 --> 00:12:36,190 are stand-ins for black folks 270 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,980 but we're not actually present in the story. 271 00:12:39,020 --> 00:12:40,330 - But then there's this moment... 272 00:12:40,370 --> 00:12:44,160 "Night of the Living Dead". 273 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,600 - It's 1968, and that's important. 274 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,430 - 275 00:12:57,690 --> 00:12:59,390 I don't scare easily. 276 00:12:59,430 --> 00:13:03,050 "Night of the Living Dead" I think gave me nightmares. 277 00:13:03,090 --> 00:13:05,480 - It was a frightening, frightening film, 278 00:13:05,530 --> 00:13:08,090 and the black and white of it... 279 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,840 ...play such a huge part in what makes it scary. 280 00:13:19,630 --> 00:13:22,410 All law enforcement agencies and the military 281 00:13:22,460 --> 00:13:24,850 have been organized to search out and destroy 282 00:13:24,890 --> 00:13:26,370 the marauding ghouls. 283 00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:31,030 There's a zombie apocalypse 284 00:13:31,070 --> 00:13:33,860 and we have a small group of folks 285 00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:39,600 who all sort of converge on a cabin house to survive. 286 00:13:39,650 --> 00:13:42,220 - It has a black protagonist in Duane Jones. 287 00:13:42,260 --> 00:13:43,830 - You can be the boss down there. 288 00:13:43,870 --> 00:13:44,870 I'm boss up here. 289 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:46,310 - He's in charge. 290 00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:48,400 - If you stay up here, you take orders from me! 291 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,360 - You can never quite tell if the white woman 292 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,050 who Duane Jones is essentially saving 293 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:56,800 is more creeped out by the fact that there's zombies outside 294 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,360 or the fact that there's a black man in the house. 295 00:13:59,410 --> 00:14:01,710 - I was probably way too young to see it 296 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,020 but I was absolutely fascinated by the fact 297 00:14:05,060 --> 00:14:07,890 that there is this a beautiful, handsome black man. 298 00:14:07,940 --> 00:14:11,590 That was the first time I probably saw somebody black 299 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,340 in a movie, and they weren't a criminal, 300 00:14:14,380 --> 00:14:16,820 and they weren't gangster, and they were the hero. 301 00:14:16,860 --> 00:14:22,040 - At that time, there was not a black character 302 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,300 who was really a man, 303 00:14:26,350 --> 00:14:29,920 who was, again, who took charge of his fate. 304 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,570 Who wasn't waiting for the white man to save him. 305 00:14:32,610 --> 00:14:35,570 Duane Jones' performance stood out for me. 306 00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:37,580 By that point, I knew I wanted to be an actor 307 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:40,360 and I said, "Okay, I was gonna be fearless." 308 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,750 - He's slapping white people up inside the head. 309 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:46,410 He's killing white zombie after white zombie 310 00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:47,800 after white zombie. 311 00:14:47,850 --> 00:14:49,850 This had to be horrifying to racists. 312 00:14:54,940 --> 00:14:58,120 - The '60s was a turbulent time, you know. 313 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,300 We had assassination after assassination. 314 00:15:02,510 --> 00:15:05,300 We had riot after riot. 315 00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:07,950 - Civil rights movement and all those movements 316 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,520 were combining together and we were producing those men 317 00:15:12,570 --> 00:15:15,350 that were standing up and saying, "Not here. 318 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,010 Not again. Not me." 319 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:22,140 At the same time, he comes up and he does this film 320 00:15:22,190 --> 00:15:24,230 and that's the character, that's the man, 321 00:15:24,270 --> 00:15:25,580 that's the man I saw. 322 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,930 "Night of the Living Dead" was so important 323 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:32,590 because for the first time, we're not just the victims. 324 00:15:32,630 --> 00:15:34,550 We were the destroyers and the protectors 325 00:15:34,590 --> 00:15:35,940 for other people against monsters, 326 00:15:35,980 --> 00:15:37,510 That's a good point. 327 00:15:37,550 --> 00:15:40,460 Years later, I got to know George Romero. 328 00:15:40,510 --> 00:15:42,950 I asked him, I said, "Why Duane?" 329 00:15:42,990 --> 00:15:44,950 and he said, "The role wasn't even written, 330 00:15:44,990 --> 00:15:46,340 it wasn't written black. 331 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:48,170 Duane just happened to be the best actor 332 00:15:48,210 --> 00:15:49,730 to show up on that day." 333 00:15:49,780 --> 00:15:51,910 This is like in the '60s 334 00:15:51,950 --> 00:15:55,440 when people being hosed, people in sit-ins 335 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,050 and stuff like that. - Jim Crow era. 336 00:15:57,090 --> 00:15:58,180 - Exactly. - Yeah. 337 00:15:58,220 --> 00:15:59,440 - It just blew my mind that 338 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,180 this was a black guy who was doing all this, 339 00:16:02,230 --> 00:16:03,840 taking charge, he was the hero, 340 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,710 even though it didn't turn out for him in the end. 341 00:16:05,750 --> 00:16:06,930 - Alright then, hit him in the head, 342 00:16:06,970 --> 00:16:08,060 right between the eyes. 343 00:16:09,930 --> 00:16:11,710 I can remember seeing this 344 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,370 and not being able to move. 345 00:16:15,410 --> 00:16:17,370 - Okay, he's dead. Let's go get him. 346 00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:19,020 That's another one for the fire. 347 00:16:19,070 --> 00:16:21,680 He's killed by the white mob 348 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,250 which had to look a lot like white mobs 349 00:16:24,290 --> 00:16:26,420 that were roaming throughout the South, 350 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:29,600 menacing black folks and terrorizing black folks. 351 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:32,210 You see lynchings. 352 00:16:32,260 --> 00:16:36,910 You think of Emmett Till and it's just too much. 353 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,610 And so you are left just sitting there going, 354 00:16:41,660 --> 00:16:44,700 "My God. Did this just happen?" 355 00:16:51,190 --> 00:16:54,710 George Romero tells the story of putting the film cans 356 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,280 in the trunk of his car, driving to New York City, 357 00:16:59,330 --> 00:17:00,460 and they hear it. 358 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:02,110 They hear it on the radio. 359 00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:04,420 The Reverend Dr. Martin King, Jr. 360 00:17:04,460 --> 00:17:05,900 was killed by an assassin's bullet 361 00:17:05,940 --> 00:17:07,600 tonight in Memphis, Tennessee. 362 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,810 - And I can't imagine 363 00:17:09,860 --> 00:17:13,340 what happens in that car, what that feeling is like, 364 00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:16,780 the crush, the blow, the sinking, 365 00:17:16,820 --> 00:17:21,650 and I want to believe that they know what they have. 366 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:25,130 "Night of the Living Dead" becomes what it is 367 00:17:25,180 --> 00:17:30,100 exactly because of what's happening in this country 368 00:17:30,140 --> 00:17:31,580 while he's filming it. 369 00:17:31,620 --> 00:17:33,750 - I think the tenseness of the time 370 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,840 and the turbulence that was going on in society 371 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:41,190 and the political drama all fed into people 372 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,890 all of a sudden having a need to wanna see themselves on screen 373 00:17:44,940 --> 00:17:48,070 and that gave birth to the blacksploitation period. 374 00:17:52,730 --> 00:17:54,640 - We call 1970s film 375 00:17:54,690 --> 00:17:57,820 "blacksploitation" and it's really a portmanteau 376 00:17:57,860 --> 00:18:01,340 for "black" and "exploitation". 377 00:18:01,390 --> 00:18:02,780 Blacks are on the big screen. 378 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:06,960 Black audiences are really joyful for the inclusion 379 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,660 but the representations are sometimes just not right. 380 00:18:10,700 --> 00:18:13,620 We went from maids to pimps and hos. 381 00:18:13,660 --> 00:18:15,490 At that time, we didn't use that word 382 00:18:15,530 --> 00:18:16,710 profile... - No, no. 383 00:18:16,750 --> 00:18:19,880 - But we were horrifically profiled. 384 00:18:19,930 --> 00:18:22,840 I like to wear hats and I bought me a new hat 385 00:18:22,890 --> 00:18:27,200 and some white boy yells at me, "Hey, pimp!" you know, 386 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,720 and I think he's thinking 387 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,370 that he thinks he's complimented me. 388 00:18:31,420 --> 00:18:34,120 The big hats and collars 389 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:41,080 and they were images that were perpetrated by white people 390 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:47,130 who exploited these images for their own gain. 391 00:18:47,170 --> 00:18:52,530 Sam Arkoff owned American International Pictures, AIP, 392 00:18:52,570 --> 00:18:56,570 they were the great producers of films 393 00:18:56,620 --> 00:19:00,270 that fell under the blacksploitation period. 394 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,800 There are studios who get in 395 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,100 on the blacksploitation craze. 396 00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:08,190 And AIP's business model was, "We're not going to lead. 397 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,760 We're going to look, see what's happening out there, 398 00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:13,550 what might be popular, 399 00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:16,640 and then we're going to get on kind of the back side of this 400 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,250 and produce more of it." 401 00:19:18,290 --> 00:19:22,600 Theirs was a strictly for-profit budget model, 402 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,860 investing as little as they could 403 00:19:24,910 --> 00:19:26,820 and hoping something stuck. 404 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,830 Their films would go on just a few screens in some cases, 405 00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:36,480 often in black neighborhoods, very low investment, 406 00:19:36,530 --> 00:19:38,570 very low quality. 407 00:19:38,620 --> 00:19:40,620 - At the time, I was astute enough 408 00:19:40,660 --> 00:19:42,880 to look up AIP's budget, 409 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,750 but they weren't making any money at all. 410 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,710 I mean, the rumor was, was that they were in deep water, 411 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,670 and then "Blacula" brought in a lot of money for them. 412 00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:59,110 - The name is Blacula! 413 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,990 Starring William Marshall, 414 00:20:01,030 --> 00:20:02,290 a black actor, 415 00:20:02,330 --> 00:20:05,770 directed by William Crain, a black director. 416 00:20:05,820 --> 00:20:07,640 And so here's where you see 417 00:20:07,690 --> 00:20:11,780 how knowledgeable black directors and actors 418 00:20:11,820 --> 00:20:14,960 can have an extraordinary impact on a film. 419 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,000 - They wanted to do "Count Brown's in Town". 420 00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:18,870 - "Brown's in Town"? Really? - Yeah. 421 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,270 It was really...Yeah. - "Brown's in Town"? 422 00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:22,010 - So, we decided we were gonna do something else. 423 00:20:22,050 --> 00:20:24,010 I wasn't the favorite person there for them... 424 00:20:24,050 --> 00:20:26,180 - No, of course not. - ...because we had 425 00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:27,620 something else in mind. 426 00:20:27,660 --> 00:20:30,710 - The movie opens with him with his queen 427 00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:32,970 trying to argue with Count Dracula 428 00:20:33,020 --> 00:20:35,500 to end the transatlantic slave trade. 429 00:20:35,540 --> 00:20:37,980 - To totally cease the slave trade? 430 00:20:38,020 --> 00:20:39,150 When is the last time 431 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,200 black audiences had seen themselves 432 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,810 expressed visually in the 1700s as erudite and intelligent 433 00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:50,170 and holding court and trying to discuss world affairs? 434 00:20:50,210 --> 00:20:53,340 - Slavery has merit, I believe. 435 00:20:53,390 --> 00:20:58,170 - Merit? You find "merit" in barbarity? 436 00:20:58,220 --> 00:20:59,960 - But it was a big deal! - It was a big deal. 437 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,830 I just remember right out of school 438 00:21:01,870 --> 00:21:03,050 everyone say Black Dracula. 439 00:21:03,090 --> 00:21:05,350 - Vampires, I think they're possibly 440 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,700 the most fascinatin of all. 441 00:21:06,750 --> 00:21:07,880 - That's all I remember. 442 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,270 "What? A black Dracula?" 443 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,710 And it gave you a sense of something I can't even explain. 444 00:21:12,750 --> 00:21:14,760 I wanted to be an actor. Something opened up 445 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,760 'cause I think that affected me in a way 446 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,670 that probably I don't even understand. 447 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,720 - I was still in high school 448 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,500 and I had dreams of being the first black Dracula. 449 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,420 - 450 00:21:28,460 --> 00:21:31,730 - But when William Marshall, who came out with it, 451 00:21:31,770 --> 00:21:33,730 I was like, "Who could be mad about that?" 452 00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:36,990 I mean, it was-- because he was... 453 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,690 I've loved William Marshall. 454 00:21:38,740 --> 00:21:40,170 - When I was a kid, 455 00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:42,830 the vampires and the Draculas that had been going on 456 00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:45,960 were these really soft, metrosexual white guys 457 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,750 who didn't really have an energy to them for me, 458 00:21:48,790 --> 00:21:50,880 and then, Blacula. 459 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:56,230 Okay, so he's this yummy, yummy chocolate, dark, sexy man 460 00:21:56,270 --> 00:21:57,490 and so it was sort of, 461 00:21:57,540 --> 00:21:59,100 it was this really confusing thing as a child 462 00:21:59,150 --> 00:22:00,760 because I'm like, "Oh, my God, I'm scared! 463 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,760 But I'm excited. But I'm scared. 464 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,070 But I'm interested. I think I wanna kiss him." 465 00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:09,110 And I hadn't really experienced that with a "villain" before, 466 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,860 so I would say Blacula scared the fuck out of me. 467 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:15,950 - I was proud that a black man 468 00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:18,170 was kicking some butt. - Was eating people. 469 00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:20,730 - Kicking butt, yeah. - Hi, what'll you have? 470 00:22:20,780 --> 00:22:22,260 - Make is a Bloody Mary. 471 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:25,000 - He was having a Bloody Mary! 472 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,830 I found a lot of tangible resistance 473 00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:34,790 and maybe even tangible resentment... 474 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,920 - Racism? - Yeah. Well, for racism, 475 00:22:36,970 --> 00:22:38,710 I mean, nobody... - Because I'm sure your crew 476 00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:41,100 was predominantly white. 477 00:22:41,150 --> 00:22:42,760 - Everybody was white. - All right. 478 00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:45,150 - Right now, I can't remember 479 00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:46,980 anyone else black that was on that set. 480 00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:48,150 There was something of a resentment 481 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,590 on the part of many producers 482 00:22:49,630 --> 00:22:54,120 who didn't want our voices to ring resonantly about 483 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,470 and create a new kind of genre. 484 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:00,730 Remember the night club scene? 485 00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:02,470 And the 150 actors in that club scene, right? 486 00:23:02,510 --> 00:23:04,080 - Right, right, right. 487 00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:07,130 - And so, there was a mix of white and black. 488 00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:08,520 Right. Beautiful. 489 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,870 It really worked. 490 00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:13,180 And once the music was supposed to start, 491 00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:16,310 kids were supposed to be dancing and I watched the AD, 492 00:23:16,350 --> 00:23:20,920 the assistant director, he had the black couples 493 00:23:20,970 --> 00:23:23,270 and he had white couples, so I had this... 494 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,540 - He didn't mix it up? - No, he didn't. He didn't. 495 00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:27,280 They didn't have gloves to throw down but I said, 496 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,670 "Hold up, we're not gonna do this. 497 00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:29,670 This is what you're gonna do. 498 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,240 You're gonna mix these people up." 499 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:35,810 And it went all the way up to Sam Arkoff. 500 00:23:35,850 --> 00:23:37,070 - He got some resistance 501 00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:39,550 but his pushback helped even the higher-ups 502 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,860 doing this film understand that he was making 503 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:44,250 something really meaty and meaningful. 504 00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:48,340 It makes the film so memorable and impactful even to this day. 505 00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:52,000 We're sitting in this wonderful 506 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,130 old police station, and I saw this long range 507 00:23:56,180 --> 00:24:00,400 of about at least 20 yards, 508 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,440 and then I asked them 509 00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:03,230 for a high-speed camera. - Okay. 510 00:24:03,270 --> 00:24:04,580 - Which would be a slow-motion camera. 511 00:24:04,620 --> 00:24:05,930 - Right. Okay. 512 00:24:05,970 --> 00:24:08,190 - They didn't wanna do it. I wasn't gonna get it. 513 00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:10,890 This went on for at least a week. 514 00:24:10,930 --> 00:24:11,890 - Right. - And so, I was waiting 515 00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:13,020 for this camera to show up. 516 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:14,370 Never did show up. 517 00:24:14,410 --> 00:24:16,890 On the morning that we got ready to do that, 518 00:24:16,940 --> 00:24:19,240 this extra van pulls up... 519 00:24:19,290 --> 00:24:21,250 - And they gave it to you? - And these guys come out 520 00:24:21,290 --> 00:24:23,420 with this high-speed, slow motion camera. 521 00:24:23,470 --> 00:24:24,470 - Okay. 522 00:24:24,510 --> 00:24:25,680 - They decided to give it to you. 523 00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:27,120 - I bet they did after they start seeing 524 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,380 those dailies, right? 525 00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:30,390 - People are still talking about that shot. 526 00:24:43,660 --> 00:24:45,920 And it created kind of a cultural shift 527 00:24:45,970 --> 00:24:47,920 and to have that awareness to say, "Me, too," 528 00:24:47,970 --> 00:24:51,010 and then to come back with "Scream Blacula Scream", 529 00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:54,100 Pam Grier and Richard Lawson's first role. 530 00:24:54,150 --> 00:24:55,540 "Scream Blacula Scream" 531 00:24:55,580 --> 00:25:00,280 I did with William Marshall, Pam Grier, Don Mitchell, 532 00:25:00,330 --> 00:25:03,460 and a host of other wonderful black actors. 533 00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:05,250 I'm a Pam Grier fan. 534 00:25:05,290 --> 00:25:08,290 She ends up becoming the lead of the film 535 00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:12,040 which to me is fun because, in my opinion, 536 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,950 it's one of the only times they let her act, 537 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,000 like she really got to be a real person 538 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,310 and not a sex symbol. 539 00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:25,050 - Stay away! Who are you? 540 00:25:25,090 --> 00:25:28,490 - This is when you start to see women really emerge. 541 00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:31,140 Women are now starting to take the center stage. 542 00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:32,530 - How about that? 543 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:34,670 - She got to use her mind. - Change her wardrobe, 544 00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:35,750 she used her mind, 545 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,020 of course she saves the two guys 546 00:25:37,060 --> 00:25:38,370 at the end. - Yes. 547 00:25:38,410 --> 00:25:42,850 And she's like an historian of black antiquity, 548 00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:44,070 you know... - Exactly. 549 00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:46,200 That whole diaspora. 550 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,380 - In the white horror movies, 551 00:25:47,420 --> 00:25:51,250 the voodoo is always like the evil force. 552 00:25:51,290 --> 00:25:52,510 - Yeah. - And the villain. 553 00:25:52,550 --> 00:25:54,380 But in like "Scream Blacula Scream" 554 00:25:54,430 --> 00:25:56,910 it was like the force of good, it was kind of... 555 00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:59,000 - Exactly. - They relied on that 556 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,260 to conquer his curse basically. 557 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:04,350 They were using it to remove his curse. 558 00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:07,260 The cross horrors history voodoo 559 00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:10,090 is explicitly a sign to black people. 560 00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:11,700 All black people know voodoo! 561 00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:15,360 And it's really helpful if they're in Louisiana. 562 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,020 - How do you kill someone with voodoo? 563 00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:21,320 - You often see black women 564 00:26:21,370 --> 00:26:24,760 associated with voodoo on screen. 565 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,760 Commonly, we've seen black women be voodoo priestesses 566 00:26:28,810 --> 00:26:31,770 and things of that nature, and always use it for ill-will. 567 00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:35,550 - A is gonna growl, and rain is gonna rain. 568 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,690 - Black women were very much centered 569 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:41,650 as frightening because they wielded power. 570 00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:46,040 "Abby" the blacksploitation era film, is a really good example 571 00:26:46,090 --> 00:26:49,350 of both fear of black women in general 572 00:26:49,390 --> 00:26:53,400 but fear of black women's sexuality in particular. 573 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,490 - 574 00:26:55,530 --> 00:26:59,230 You're mine now! Mine! 575 00:26:59,270 --> 00:27:01,490 - Abby. - That's Abby. 576 00:27:01,540 --> 00:27:04,370 This scared me so much when I was a kid 577 00:27:04,410 --> 00:27:07,110 because she was pretty, but then she went crazy. 578 00:27:07,150 --> 00:27:08,720 - - Yeah. 579 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,940 - What do you think of my powers now? 580 00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:16,120 - Black women, of course, have always been depicted 581 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,250 as highly sexualized. 582 00:27:18,290 --> 00:27:23,080 This is definitely something that came to the fore with Abby. 583 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:24,820 On the one level, you could say she's sort of 584 00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:29,560 resisting her defined role as sort of a church wife, 585 00:27:29,610 --> 00:27:32,350 becoming possessed by a sex demon 586 00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:36,270 who basically attacks men through sex. 587 00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:37,920 It's a silly film, 588 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,100 but what's not silly about it is it does point to this fear 589 00:27:42,140 --> 00:27:44,970 of black women and black womanhood. 590 00:27:45,010 --> 00:27:46,490 - There is this one, I think, 591 00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:49,760 kind of cool movie. It's called "Sugar Hill". 592 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,110 - 593 00:27:52,150 --> 00:27:55,460 - Sugar's community is under siege 594 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,640 by some corrupt white gangsters. 595 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,810 - 596 00:28:00,860 --> 00:28:03,210 She conjured this voodoo god 597 00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:05,340 to get revenge on these gangsters 598 00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:06,730 who killed her boyfriend. 599 00:28:06,780 --> 00:28:09,600 - I want the power to destroy my enemies. 600 00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:12,130 It was one of the early films 601 00:28:12,170 --> 00:28:14,650 where a black woman was the lead. 602 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:15,780 - Remember me? 603 00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:18,570 - She had made her own determinations, 604 00:28:18,610 --> 00:28:23,530 was not suppressed by men and the system. 605 00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:26,660 She was smart, powerful, she was sexy, 606 00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:30,150 she was intelligent, and she was willful. 607 00:28:30,190 --> 00:28:32,320 - Show us what big man you are. 608 00:28:32,370 --> 00:28:33,410 This is a narrative 609 00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:35,280 that isn't entirely unproblematic. 610 00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:40,680 It does resurrect these early notions of black men 611 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,680 lusting for white women. 612 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,160 - 613 00:28:45,210 --> 00:28:47,860 - And so, for female audiences to watch 614 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:50,300 these movies on the big screen, 615 00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:53,300 certainly came with a bit of conflict. 616 00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:54,870 - So, the blacksploitation era 617 00:28:54,910 --> 00:28:58,170 probably gets mixed marks in terms of, you know, 618 00:28:58,220 --> 00:29:01,610 overall how black life was being portrayed, 619 00:29:01,660 --> 00:29:05,050 but you can see in even just these horror films 620 00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:06,920 that there's an effort to do more. 621 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,190 - One movie from the '70s 622 00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:16,190 that gets lumped in with blacksploitation 623 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,800 is "Ganja & Hess". 624 00:29:17,850 --> 00:29:20,280 It's really cool and it's from a black director. 625 00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:22,200 Bill Gunn is his name. 626 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,110 - Bill Gunn is a guy 627 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,460 who a lot of people don't know about 628 00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:29,640 because he was a playwright, a screenwriter. 629 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,730 He wrote the screenplay for a movie called "The Landlord" 630 00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:34,600 that Hal Ashby did. 631 00:29:34,650 --> 00:29:37,610 Bill Gunn was in episodes of "The Outer Limits", 632 00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:39,000 "Man From U.N.C.L.E.", you know, 633 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,390 they just wanted him to make 634 00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:41,610 a horror film. - Right. 635 00:29:41,650 --> 00:29:43,390 - You know, with black folks in it. 636 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,530 And the story is that he just, 637 00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:48,570 I think the producers were out of town or something, 638 00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:51,530 and he took the whole cast and crew 639 00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:55,580 up to some place at New York and rewrote it and shot it. 640 00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:58,020 - Wow. - You know, to talk about 641 00:29:58,060 --> 00:30:00,670 the history of blood, the history of African blood, 642 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,540 and how it's passed down to the ancestors. 643 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,420 - This is a film about a very erudite scholar 644 00:30:07,460 --> 00:30:08,770 who struggles with addiction, 645 00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:12,510 so he's using blood as an addiction metaphor 646 00:30:12,550 --> 00:30:14,730 which is something that spoke to this director 647 00:30:14,770 --> 00:30:17,250 and in his mind, I'm sure spoke to his community. 648 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:18,600 - He was recently turned into a vampire 649 00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:20,690 and he falls in love with this woman 650 00:30:20,740 --> 00:30:23,780 and he kinda has to decide whether to turn her 651 00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:24,830 and that sort of thing. 652 00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:27,830 And it's very slow and meditative. 653 00:30:32,010 --> 00:30:34,140 Throughout the movie, Hess, 654 00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:37,710 no matter how wealthy he is, no matter how educated, 655 00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:40,280 is still very fearful of the police. 656 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,020 - There's no possible way for you to know this 657 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:45,850 but I'm the only colored on the block, you see, 658 00:30:45,890 --> 00:30:49,200 and if another black man washes ashore around here, 659 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,680 you can believe 660 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,330 the authorities will drag me out for questioning. 661 00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:55,340 - The police still remain a threat 662 00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:58,820 to even this very wealthy, well-educated black man. 663 00:30:58,860 --> 00:31:01,340 - It got like a standing ovation 664 00:31:01,380 --> 00:31:02,990 at the Cannes Film Festival. - Yeah. 665 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,300 - It played at Cannes and got a lot of awards there. 666 00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:10,350 When it got to America, not so much. 667 00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:12,350 - Hollywood hates this movie 668 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,700 because it doesn't look anything like 669 00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:17,660 the blacksploitation films of this period. 670 00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:19,620 Frankly, it's a little too smart. 671 00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:21,840 It's a little too stylistic. 672 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,500 The characters are really a bit too developed and realized. 673 00:31:26,540 --> 00:31:28,020 They wanted something cruder. 674 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:30,980 - They recut it. before years, you know, 675 00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:35,070 I used to go some video stores and it was recut as a movie 676 00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:36,770 called "Blood Couple". 677 00:31:36,810 --> 00:31:38,330 For the longest time, 678 00:31:38,380 --> 00:31:40,730 it was sort of in this netherworld 679 00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:43,690 where the true version of the film 680 00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:46,910 was at the Museum of Modern Art in New York. 681 00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:49,350 - It was a film that I heard about for years 682 00:31:49,390 --> 00:31:50,910 before I was finally to see it. 683 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,350 - Hmm-mm. 684 00:31:52,390 --> 00:31:55,400 - Actually, Bill Gunn, when I was at Howard, came. 685 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,090 He didn't come with a print of the film. 686 00:31:57,140 --> 00:31:58,400 - He just came to talk about it? 687 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,180 - Yeah, 'cause the only print was available, 688 00:32:01,230 --> 00:32:04,970 the only print in existence was at the Museum of Modern Art. 689 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:06,410 He was an interesting cat, 690 00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:08,020 and "Ganja & Hess" was his chance 691 00:32:08,060 --> 00:32:14,890 to elevate a vampire story into something more meaningful. 692 00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:16,020 "Ganja & Hess" 693 00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:17,770 is like this beautiful, artistic film 694 00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:19,110 but it wasn't the only film during that time 695 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,640 that was making these broad stroke statements 696 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,950 about what was going on in society. 697 00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:25,770 There's a lot of blacksploitation horror films 698 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:28,600 that kind of deal with kind of involuntary experimentation 699 00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:30,730 and it doesn't feel like a coincidence. 700 00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:35,480 The Tuskeegee Experiment was this medical experiment 701 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,610 that spanned a 40-year time. 702 00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:41,440 There were these tests done on Southern men in the South, 703 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,010 some had syphilis, some didn't, 704 00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:44,490 but they all thought they were being treated 705 00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:46,450 for what was called "bad blood". 706 00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:50,620 They were promised free healthcare, free meals, 707 00:32:50,670 --> 00:32:53,980 free burial, but they weren't even treated. 708 00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:55,500 They were pretty much being tested 709 00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:59,070 to see the effects of syphilis over a lifetime. 710 00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:01,850 Some of those men lost their lives 711 00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:03,590 without knowing what they were fully consenting to, 712 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,120 and there was this big investigation 713 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,160 and it came a halt in early to mid-1970s. 714 00:33:09,510 --> 00:33:12,820 - You wanna use me for some type of human guinea pig, is that it? 715 00:33:13,910 --> 00:33:16,040 "Dr. Black & Mr. Hyde", 716 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,390 "Blackenstein", 717 00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:19,910 those are films that were lackluster in quality 718 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,440 and maybe even story, but they are centered around 719 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,880 medical experimentation on black males. 720 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,400 And so, you couldn't help but notice 721 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,010 those two things coming together and kind of converging. 722 00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:33,010 - This could be a good chance to try out that serum. 723 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:36,150 - No, you can't try that serum on a human. 724 00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:37,150 That's not right. 725 00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:40,800 Since blacks were brought here 726 00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:42,850 during slavery, we were treated as lab rats 727 00:33:42,890 --> 00:33:45,420 and for various, different medical purposes, 728 00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:48,070 they treated us as inhuman, as we were seen, 729 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,770 and so, you see a lot of that even today 730 00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:52,690 with movies like "Get Out". 731 00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:54,510 - Why us, huh? 732 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,610 Why black people? 733 00:33:58,650 --> 00:34:00,170 Also "The Girl with All the Gifts" 734 00:34:00,220 --> 00:34:01,910 and even "The First Purge". 735 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,960 - Should you choose to actively participate, 736 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,050 we'll implant a tracking device. 737 00:34:06,090 --> 00:34:08,920 After that, you'll be all set, as they say, to purge. 738 00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:13,050 - As sort of bad as 739 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:15,880 some of these blacksploitation films were, 740 00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:17,450 they just simply got worse. 741 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:18,710 - 742 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,630 - "Blackenstein" is so bad, 743 00:34:20,670 --> 00:34:22,540 literally, you can't see the film. 744 00:34:22,590 --> 00:34:23,850 I mean, you're like, 745 00:34:23,890 --> 00:34:25,760 Did they purposefully shoot it in shadow 746 00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:28,550 or just completely in the dark? 747 00:34:28,590 --> 00:34:29,940 In addition to that, 748 00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:33,680 civil rights groups are protesting these films 749 00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:36,250 and saying that they're not good for black culture, 750 00:34:36,290 --> 00:34:38,860 they're not good for black representations. 751 00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:43,080 - We may not have liked necessarily what we saw. 752 00:34:43,130 --> 00:34:44,130 - 753 00:34:44,170 --> 00:34:45,430 - It was stereotypical, 754 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,440 but those doors slowly started to open. 755 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,090 So, as all things in life, there's a double-edged sword. 756 00:34:52,140 --> 00:34:54,880 - We're finally seeing a number of movies 757 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,270 where black people are on the big screen. 758 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,320 And so, you think, "Okay, 759 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,450 the momentum is going to continue 760 00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:03,760 and maybe in the '80s, 761 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,930 we're going to get these representations right." 762 00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:09,590 Exactly the opposite happens. 763 00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:12,330 - 764 00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:19,770 - I always knew that if there was somebody black 765 00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:21,950 in the horror film, they will be the first to die. 766 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,300 MIGUEL A. NUÑI remember one of the first things I did 767 00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:27,870 was when I got the script 768 00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:30,570 was count the number of pages before I died. 769 00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:34,000 - If we're not dead in the first 15 minutes, 770 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:36,880 we're certainly dead by the last 30 minutes. 771 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,230 - It's like the red shirt phenomenon 772 00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:40,710 in "Star Trek". 773 00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:43,140 You know you can't kill Spock, you can't kill McCoy, 774 00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:45,190 you can't kill Captain Kirk or Uhura, 775 00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:49,500 so this poor crew member with the red shirt 776 00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:51,020 is the one who's going to die. 777 00:35:53,550 --> 00:35:55,030 And I think that's very much 778 00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:58,070 where blacks were kind of stuck in horror for a while. 779 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,640 It became such a joke about first to die 780 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,160 that there were these sort of tongue-in-cheek 781 00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:03,640 references to it. 782 00:36:03,690 --> 00:36:05,730 Snag one. 783 00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:07,340 - Snag one? - Yeah, snag one 784 00:36:07,390 --> 00:36:09,780 and put 'em in the bucket. 785 00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:11,690 - I seen this movie. The black dude dies first. 786 00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:12,830 You snag it. 787 00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:14,390 - So, let's talk about black people 788 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,830 always die first in horror movies. 789 00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:18,790 It's not entirely true. 790 00:36:18,830 --> 00:36:20,530 - Well, in "Alien", Yaphet is actually 791 00:36:20,570 --> 00:36:24,490 the last male to die, you know? - That's true. He is. 792 00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:26,620 Yeah, he makes it aways. 793 00:36:26,670 --> 00:36:28,620 - Get out of the room! 794 00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:30,670 - Sometimes they do die first. 795 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:32,150 - 796 00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:35,150 - But I wanna kinda dispel a little bit of that myth. 797 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,550 It often happens. 798 00:36:36,590 --> 00:36:38,680 - 799 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:39,940 - But then, at the same time, 800 00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:43,550 it can't always happen because black people 801 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,990 play a particular role in horror films. 802 00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:52,300 For example, if you have a really horrible, big, 803 00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:56,260 kind of badass monster, how do you evidence 804 00:36:56,300 --> 00:37:00,790 that that creature is as bad as it can get? 805 00:37:00,830 --> 00:37:02,480 You need a black guy. 806 00:37:02,530 --> 00:37:05,400 - I'm Sergeant Buford Brown, but my teammates call me Buba. 807 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,270 - If the monster beats that guy, 808 00:37:09,620 --> 00:37:12,230 then that monster must be a true badass. 809 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,410 - You believe any of this voodoo bullshit, Blair? 810 00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:15,540 - Well, you know, my first, 811 00:37:15,580 --> 00:37:17,890 my very first movie was "The Thing". 812 00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:19,890 - Yes! Yes, yes. - I lived to the very end. 813 00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:21,850 I survived. - Yes. 814 00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:25,940 In my next movie, I did die but not till the end. 815 00:37:27,730 --> 00:37:30,730 - Their roles are tokens, 816 00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:33,560 and so, they show up as sidekicks, 817 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,780 incidental characters. 818 00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:37,910 - Which would be fine 819 00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:40,610 except that often, they don't exist 820 00:37:40,650 --> 00:37:42,390 for any other reason in the movie. 821 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,220 They don't have wants, needs of their own, 822 00:37:46,270 --> 00:37:47,400 their only concern 823 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,010 is the welfare of the white protagonists, 824 00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:52,010 and that's where it becomes problematic. 825 00:37:52,060 --> 00:37:54,140 - I looked at it as I was the chosen black person 826 00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:55,280 for the film. - I know, that's right. 827 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,360 - I didn't look at it in a negative way. 828 00:37:56,410 --> 00:37:57,670 I looked at it like I was chosen. 829 00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:59,240 - I didn't look at it in a negative way, either, 830 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,320 'cause I was getting a check. MIGUEL A. NUÑAbsolutely. 831 00:38:00,370 --> 00:38:02,020 Everybody who had said anything about it, 832 00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:03,680 I'm in "Friday the 13th", you're not, 833 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:05,160 so I didn't look at it like that. 834 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,770 But it was really a good thing to be black 835 00:38:07,810 --> 00:38:09,290 and, in any film, in the '80s, 836 00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:11,990 not much less a horror movie, but any film. 837 00:38:12,030 --> 00:38:13,160 - I was like, "Hey, we're in this movie!" 838 00:38:13,210 --> 00:38:15,990 We're dying first. 839 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,080 - 840 00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:21,870 - Or we're sacrificing ourselves. 841 00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:25,000 - 842 00:38:28,180 --> 00:38:30,750 Or we're just a sidekick or we're just being sassy. 843 00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:32,750 - Dan keeping you up again? 844 00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:34,320 Girl, you gotta put a lock in that window. 845 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,880 - Or we're not gonna appear after the first act or whatever. 846 00:38:36,930 --> 00:38:39,970 But we were in it. We were in it! 847 00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:43,020 It's such a powerful validation of your existence 848 00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:46,850 and I think it's really difficult for a lot of whites 849 00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:49,160 to even imagine what it would feel like 850 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,200 if you were surrounded by entertainment 851 00:38:51,250 --> 00:38:53,940 that was nothing but black people, right? 852 00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:56,340 - I got on set and I read the script, 853 00:38:56,380 --> 00:38:58,470 and there was several little racial things in there. 854 00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:03,610 - I see you! 855 00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:05,560 Chocolate man. 856 00:39:05,610 --> 00:39:06,830 - And so, I, you know, I said, 857 00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:09,570 "Okay, you know, I'm gonna be alone on this." 858 00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:14,790 - Scary, isn't it? 859 00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:16,140 - Back when I was doing "The Craft", 860 00:39:16,180 --> 00:39:18,050 I definitely was really nervous 861 00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:19,840 about how to portray this character. 862 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,930 Like Bonnie has burns, or what's her name? 863 00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:27,060 Sarah! scars. 864 00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:29,500 And the other one is poor and very angry 865 00:39:29,540 --> 00:39:31,200 and probably bipolar, right? 866 00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:32,460 So when I first auditioned, 867 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:34,900 I had a big monologue about being anorexic 868 00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:37,420 and then I think once they decided to cast me, 869 00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:41,300 that is when they made race her issue, 870 00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:44,120 but for me, I was like, "I don't have an issue." 871 00:39:44,170 --> 00:39:45,690 I didn't think it was a big enough problem 872 00:39:45,730 --> 00:39:47,260 for her to have. 873 00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:49,520 Although, in retrospect, I actually think it's fantastic 874 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,090 they had it in because that is the kind of racism, 875 00:39:53,130 --> 00:39:57,090 whether it was subtle or big, that I went through, 876 00:39:57,140 --> 00:39:59,100 I'm sure you went through, and everyone went through, 877 00:39:59,140 --> 00:40:00,580 but isn't it interesting that I was able to 878 00:40:00,620 --> 00:40:02,530 compartmentalize it and be like, "What? 879 00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:05,060 She doesn't have a problem," because it's so ingrained in me 880 00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:06,930 that that's a part of me that I'm gonna go into a store 881 00:40:06,970 --> 00:40:08,370 and someone's gonna be horrible to me 882 00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:10,890 or somebody white's gonna say something terrible. 883 00:40:10,930 --> 00:40:12,540 - Why are you doing this to me, Laura? 884 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,810 - Because I don't like Negroids. 885 00:40:16,850 --> 00:40:18,200 - To this day, people come up to me 886 00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:19,810 and tell me how much it meant. 887 00:40:19,860 --> 00:40:21,470 I was getting off a train, this little girl was getting on 888 00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:22,730 and she would, 889 00:40:22,770 --> 00:40:25,340 "Yo... yo.. you were in the Crafts movie!" 890 00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:27,990 And I realized, "Oh! Oh, oh!" 891 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,210 I wasn't even thinking that like I'm now in a movie, 892 00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:33,300 so these girls don't have to go through what I did 893 00:40:33,350 --> 00:40:35,390 which was, you know, watching "Pretty in Pink" 894 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,960 and going, "There's no one who looks like me, 895 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,350 or acts like me, or sounds like me." 896 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,920 I am going to be that for these girls. 897 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,140 - I drink of my sisters 898 00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:48,710 and I ask for the ability to not hate those who hate me, 899 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:52,190 especially racist pieces of bleach blonde shit 900 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:53,580 like Laura Lizzie. 901 00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:56,720 - I think what Rochelle did was she gave us... 902 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,160 she gave us a way to kind of talk about our own experiences 903 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,550 and be comfortable with them 904 00:41:00,590 --> 00:41:03,900 because a lot of us were in like all-white spaces. 905 00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:05,470 - I live in a white world. 906 00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:06,990 I mean, most of the time, all I'm around is white people. 907 00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:09,040 A lot of times, when you're living in the world, 908 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,690 so you don't think of it being, "Oh, I'm a token," 909 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:13,260 or anything like that. 910 00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:15,520 You're just thinking, "Oh, I finally got a position in this 911 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,520 and it'll bring me other positions," 912 00:41:17,570 --> 00:41:22,220 so I think you think positively about what you're doing. 913 00:41:22,270 --> 00:41:23,790 It didn't really matter to me 914 00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:25,180 because we were working. 915 00:41:25,230 --> 00:41:28,010 I was so happy that I had a check but, on the set, 916 00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:30,450 it was absolute... I was the only black there. 917 00:41:30,490 --> 00:41:33,020 And I think minorities all over the world 918 00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:35,100 felt that Kincaid was their hero. 919 00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:36,540 Let's go kick the motherfucker's ass 920 00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:38,280 all over dreamland. 921 00:41:38,330 --> 00:41:40,200 Every script that I read 922 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:41,420 and the leading man, 923 00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:43,980 that was my part! 924 00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:45,290 That's the part I shoulda played! 925 00:41:45,330 --> 00:41:47,550 But I understood where it was. 926 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:48,380 There was no resentment. 927 00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:51,730 It was like, "In due time." 928 00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:54,380 - Perhaps the quintessential, 929 00:41:54,430 --> 00:41:57,170 although it pains me to say, token character, 930 00:41:57,210 --> 00:41:59,910 is Scatman Crothers in "The Shining". 931 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,130 - No problem, Mr. Urban, 932 00:42:01,170 --> 00:42:03,480 I was just getting to the ice cream. 933 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,660 - It pains me to say it because he's a terrific performer. 934 00:42:09,970 --> 00:42:12,530 The character played by Scatman Crothers 935 00:42:12,580 --> 00:42:16,750 who is a psychic in the book survives, but in the film, 936 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,150 to set up a danger for the important characters, 937 00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:22,630 meaning the child and the wife, 938 00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:25,110 Scatman Crothers got an axe to his chest 939 00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:27,070 the minute the brother walked through the door. 940 00:42:27,110 --> 00:42:28,900 - 941 00:42:32,380 --> 00:42:33,900 - Always bothered me 'cause I was always thinking, 942 00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:36,430 "Oh, if he's shinin', how come 943 00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:37,910 he didn't see it coming?" - He should see that. 944 00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:39,130 - He shoulda ducked that axe. 945 00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:41,080 - At the time, I mean, 946 00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:42,780 I thought it was an unusual choice 947 00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:45,260 because I knew it hadn't happened that way in the novel. 948 00:42:45,310 --> 00:42:47,260 I didn't understand that I was seeing a trope called 949 00:42:47,310 --> 00:42:48,960 the sacrificial Negro. 950 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,310 - The sacrificial Negro 951 00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:52,970 is just the character who literally just like 952 00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:54,840 puts themselves in the face of danger 953 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,970 and dies in order for the white character to survive. 954 00:42:59,010 --> 00:43:00,620 - In the first "Annabelle", 955 00:43:00,670 --> 00:43:03,580 poor Alfre Woodard has no investment in the film 956 00:43:03,630 --> 00:43:05,460 other than helping the white characters... 957 00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:08,200 - No, no! - 958 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,720 And I was like, "That's a little retro," 959 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,510 because you don't see that so much anymore. 960 00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:14,680 - It was literally Alfre Woodard saying, 961 00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:17,950 "Oh, I have lived my entire life just to save you." 962 00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:19,690 And it's just like, 963 00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:23,000 "Oh, my God, that drove me nuts!" 964 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,080 - I'm over that. 965 00:43:24,130 --> 00:43:25,520 I've seen that in almost every movie 966 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,000 I grew up with as a child where, you know, 967 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:33,740 the desexualized black woman mammy figure 968 00:43:33,790 --> 00:43:38,230 gives her life so that the little white girl can live. 969 00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:41,580 That's noble, I guess, but I just feel like, 970 00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:44,670 Why can't everybody live? Or everybody die? 971 00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:47,020 - I think it really honestly goes back 972 00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:49,760 to that era of the "Birth of a Nation" 973 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,020 where you have the faithful servant trope. 974 00:43:52,070 --> 00:43:57,070 That faithful servant trope is a really important image 975 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,120 for a lot of races because it shows them 976 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,380 that slavery and Jim Crow weren't so bad! 977 00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:05,860 Sometimes those secondary characters 978 00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:08,260 are just gonna have to die because if they don't, 979 00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:09,870 the audience won't believe 980 00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:12,350 something scary is about to happen to the real characters 981 00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:14,180 who are not the black characters, 982 00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:17,270 which is what I think gives birth to this other 983 00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:19,400 horrible trope which is the magical Negro. 984 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,230 - Molly, you in danger, girl. 985 00:44:22,270 --> 00:44:23,880 - They have super wisdom 986 00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:26,670 that helps like these white characters kind of thrive. 987 00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:29,060 - It's one of those boxes that black people get put in, 988 00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:31,240 the sort Uncle Remus thing, 989 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,330 where we're somehow afforded some mystical wisdom. 990 00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:39,770 - Alex, your friend's departure shows 991 00:44:39,810 --> 00:44:43,510 that death has a new design for all of you. 992 00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:46,210 - Then you have the other side of a terrible coin 993 00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:48,120 which is invisibility. 994 00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:49,430 - I remember being when I was younger... 995 00:44:49,470 --> 00:44:51,080 - Yeah. - Like around that age, 996 00:44:51,130 --> 00:44:53,220 like seven to eight grade and like discovering scary movies 997 00:44:53,260 --> 00:44:56,350 like, "You know what, I'm not gonna die 998 00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:58,130 'cause I'm not even in this." - 999 00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:59,790 It's like all my friends at the sleepover 1000 00:44:59,830 --> 00:45:01,620 should be scared 'cause they're all white 1001 00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:04,050 and no one's coming for the man who looks like me! 1002 00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:05,580 - No one's coming for us. Exactly. 1003 00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:06,790 - 'Cause I'm not even in it! 1004 00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:10,360 It's the Reagan era 1005 00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:13,540 and black people become the face 1006 00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:16,200 of what is bringing this country down. 1007 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,240 The nation is led to believe 1008 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,420 that their good, hard tax dollars 1009 00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:24,420 are being put into these young women 1010 00:45:24,460 --> 00:45:28,080 who are having babies and collecting welfare checks 1011 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,170 and it's a propaganda message 1012 00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:33,520 that really encourages the nation 1013 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,260 to turn its back on social programs. 1014 00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:41,660 Black people become monstrous in a real way in the political. 1015 00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:43,660 Horton fled, kidnapped a young couple, 1016 00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:47,180 stabbing the man and repeatedly raping his girlfriend. 1017 00:45:47,230 --> 00:45:49,710 - On the big screen then, 1018 00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:54,930 what is encouraged is that white, fleety urban. 1019 00:45:54,970 --> 00:45:58,800 "A Nightmare on Elm Street", "Amityville Horror", 1020 00:45:58,850 --> 00:46:01,500 "Halloween", all have pushed us out 1021 00:46:01,540 --> 00:46:04,200 into the suburban, away from the urban, 1022 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,380 and so we have to imagine new monsters. 1023 00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:07,720 - 1024 00:46:07,770 --> 00:46:09,860 - Take a movie like "Poltergeist", 1025 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:12,990 "Our homes are built on Indian burial grounds 1026 00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:17,520 and somehow it's radiating up and affecting us in awful ways 1027 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,780 not because we're inherently evil 1028 00:46:19,820 --> 00:46:22,300 but because black and brown people 1029 00:46:22,350 --> 00:46:24,790 were still the source of evil." 1030 00:46:24,830 --> 00:46:26,660 - One horror film with a lot of black faces in it 1031 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:28,830 that stands out from the 1980s is 1032 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,140 "The Serpent and the Rainbow", directed by Wes Craven, 1033 00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:35,540 and Wes Craven, I would say, was one of those filmmakers 1034 00:46:35,580 --> 00:46:38,230 who really did try to be inclusive in his films. 1035 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,580 He also did "Vampire Brooklyn" 1036 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:42,460 and he did "The People Under the Stairs". 1037 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:44,330 "The People Under the Stairs" 1038 00:46:44,370 --> 00:46:46,890 you had a young black kid 1039 00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:50,550 leading a major film for Universal. 1040 00:46:50,590 --> 00:46:52,200 It was ahead of its time. 1041 00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:55,820 - I remember seeing it on the VHS and I'm being like, 1042 00:46:55,860 --> 00:46:59,910 "This movie has a black child actor as the lead? 1043 00:46:59,950 --> 00:47:01,430 What's going on here?" 1044 00:47:01,470 --> 00:47:03,560 - I don't wanna kill you 1045 00:47:03,610 --> 00:47:06,650 but I will 'cause I don't like you much, anyway. 1046 00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:09,740 - One of the things that movie really captures is, 1047 00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:13,490 you know, black fear of white spaces, you know, 1048 00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:15,180 this thing we're talking about. 1049 00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:18,580 And this particular white space, you know, this is stereotypical 1050 00:47:18,620 --> 00:47:22,280 but like, you know, this idea of like sadomasochism 1051 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,670 and leather like psychosexual shit, 1052 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:28,590 like this torturing stuff. 1053 00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:31,590 It all seemed very white, you know? 1054 00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:33,810 - There's no community here. 1055 00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:38,690 All I see you are a couple of n... 1056 00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:40,990 ass bitch. You can. 1057 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,520 - What are you gonna do? 1058 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,560 Shoot us all? 1059 00:47:45,610 --> 00:47:47,870 - They had Roach in there, 1060 00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:52,000 in the walls, as a victim, and that, I think, 1061 00:47:52,050 --> 00:47:54,440 was the most powerful 1062 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,400 and terrifying part about that movie. 1063 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,050 You look at "Get Out", 1064 00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:03,620 it's clear that my deepest, deepest fears 1065 00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:05,630 come to this idea of confinement. 1066 00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:08,500 - And then we get this beautiful renaissance 1067 00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:09,850 called the '90s. 1068 00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:13,110 - I actually am not afraid to say Candyman. 1069 00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:16,240 - Candyman. 1070 00:48:16,290 --> 00:48:17,590 - Candyman! 1071 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,470 - No, no. 1072 00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:22,690 - I'm a really hard person to scare 1073 00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:24,910 and "Candyman" was like 1074 00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:28,130 one of the first things in a while that got me. 1075 00:48:28,170 --> 00:48:29,480 - That really got to you? 1076 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,300 - Yeah, I mean, that shot with the open mouth 1077 00:48:32,350 --> 00:48:35,660 inside the vacated apartment. 1078 00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:37,700 - I guess we kinda knew that we had something 1079 00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:39,790 but we didn't know what. 1080 00:48:39,830 --> 00:48:41,570 We had Tony Richmond, was our DP, 1081 00:48:41,620 --> 00:48:43,400 who did "The Man Who Fell to Earth", 1082 00:48:43,450 --> 00:48:44,840 we had Philip Glass 1083 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,540 whose incredible score kicked off the film, 1084 00:48:47,580 --> 00:48:51,630 we had the beautiful city of Chicago as our backdrop, 1085 00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:54,850 and we had a interracial conflict. 1086 00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:59,940 Tony Todd is such a powerful actor 1087 00:48:59,980 --> 00:49:02,940 and brings such gravitas to that role. 1088 00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:05,290 - Be my victim. 1089 00:49:05,340 --> 00:49:06,820 - Candyman is Tony Todd, 1090 00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:09,520 and Tony Todd is Candyman, for a lot of us. 1091 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,210 - Out of the blue, I get a call from my manager 1092 00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:14,480 at the time, saying there's a script on their table, 1093 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,000 it's called "Candyman" and I kinda... 1094 00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:22,270 in my cockiness, I hung up the phone because I said, 1095 00:49:22,310 --> 00:49:23,530 "What are we talking about? 1096 00:49:23,570 --> 00:49:26,530 Is this Sami Davis, Jr.'s story we doin'? 1097 00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:27,710 I'm way too tall." 1098 00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:31,230 - Do I know you? 1099 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,410 - No, but you doubted me. 1100 00:49:34,450 --> 00:49:36,500 - Tony's got a great screen presence. 1101 00:49:36,540 --> 00:49:38,330 - He does. - Candyman" was, you know, 1102 00:49:38,370 --> 00:49:39,940 it was obviously unique 1103 00:49:39,980 --> 00:49:42,850 because that was the first black supernatural killer. 1104 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,680 I loved Clive Barker, and Candyman being 1105 00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:51,030 sort of like the patron saint of urban legends. 1106 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:56,390 You know, I thought that was just such a beautiful invention, 1107 00:49:56,430 --> 00:49:57,820 such a beautiful monster. 1108 00:49:57,870 --> 00:49:59,220 - Candyman is not a bogeyman. 1109 00:49:59,260 --> 00:50:03,310 He was an artist who was happily doing his thing. 1110 00:50:03,350 --> 00:50:06,570 He happened to fall in love with a woman that wasn't his race 1111 00:50:06,620 --> 00:50:08,100 and he was lynched because of it, 1112 00:50:08,140 --> 00:50:11,580 and not only that, they cut off his art hand. 1113 00:50:11,620 --> 00:50:14,880 Bernard Rose directed "Candyman" 1114 00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:18,850 based on a short story set in the UK by Clive Barker. 1115 00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:20,930 They changed the original story 1116 00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:23,980 from sort of a class conversation 1117 00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:27,900 to one that is rooted in American racial history. 1118 00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:30,070 - It dealt with the social things. 1119 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,860 You have this white woman, you got this black guy, 1120 00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:34,950 you got this backstory about this black guy 1121 00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:38,600 and this white woman and kind of, you know, 1122 00:50:38,650 --> 00:50:42,780 how he is attacked because of this relationship. 1123 00:50:42,830 --> 00:50:44,960 - It was a very terrifying film, 1124 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,310 a film that I loved but a film that, you know, 1125 00:50:48,350 --> 00:50:50,010 is kind of problematic. 1126 00:50:50,050 --> 00:50:53,010 We shall die together in front of their very eyes. 1127 00:50:53,050 --> 00:50:54,710 Here again, we have a movie 1128 00:50:54,750 --> 00:50:57,710 that echoes what happened in "King Kong" in the '30s. 1129 00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:59,670 There is this black bogeyman 1130 00:50:59,710 --> 00:51:03,190 and he's in pursuit of this blonde white woman. 1131 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:04,800 - He becomes obsessed, 1132 00:51:04,850 --> 00:51:07,680 recirculating the same tropes. 1133 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:09,590 - I don't think that character 1134 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,990 would go after poor black people. 1135 00:51:12,030 --> 00:51:13,470 - Right. - This is where you can tell 1136 00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:16,250 that "Candyman" came from the mind of a white person. 1137 00:51:16,290 --> 00:51:18,210 He chooses to haunt, 1138 00:51:18,250 --> 00:51:21,820 to disrupt the lives of blacks in Chicago 1139 00:51:21,860 --> 00:51:24,080 in the Cabrini-Green Projects. 1140 00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:26,090 When really, right across the tracks, 1141 00:51:26,130 --> 00:51:28,350 are essentially the representatives, 1142 00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:31,660 the sort of, the folks who would have been responsible, 1143 00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:33,880 their ancestors, for his lynching. 1144 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,180 - He is a personification of racism in the United States, 1145 00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:38,360 like what it looks like and what it can conjure, 1146 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:39,670 like all that negative energy, 1147 00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:41,450 like what does it look like, and what does it do? 1148 00:51:41,490 --> 00:51:42,840 - Keep away from me! 1149 00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:44,190 For me, it's a character. 1150 00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:46,670 I don't live and breathe and die by it. 1151 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,370 I'm happy that I was able to do him 1152 00:51:49,410 --> 00:51:52,370 and hopefully I did him right. 1153 00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:54,900 - It was very empowering to me 1154 00:51:54,940 --> 00:51:58,550 to feel like we could... like black people can do anything. 1155 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,080 We're not in this box. 1156 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,690 We can be the Freddie of a movie. 1157 00:52:02,730 --> 00:52:05,080 - No! 1158 00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:07,300 - I remember Vondie Curtis-Hall 1159 00:52:07,340 --> 00:52:12,000 who was married to Kasi Lemmons who was in the film. 1160 00:52:12,050 --> 00:52:14,960 In the original screening, he shook his head, he says, 1161 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,570 "Man, you realize," and I said, "What?" 1162 00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:22,230 "You gonna be Candyman forever." 1163 00:52:22,270 --> 00:52:24,710 Candyman, Day of the Dead. 1164 00:52:24,750 --> 00:52:26,360 - Unfortunately, I think the sequels 1165 00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:27,710 kind of get overlooked. 1166 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,280 It gives Candyman a sympathetic backstory. 1167 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,020 He is the spirit that's conjured from the history of racism 1168 00:52:34,070 --> 00:52:36,810 and white supremacy in the United States. 1169 00:52:36,850 --> 00:52:39,680 - 1170 00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:43,030 - I feel like the sequel 1171 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,510 helps you understand the original 1172 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,250 a little bit better maybe. 1173 00:52:50,780 --> 00:52:52,040 The '90s were a renaissance 1174 00:52:52,090 --> 00:52:54,440 not just in film, I want to point out, 1175 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,920 but also in literature. 1176 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,830 This is the era that Spike Lee helped give birth to. 1177 00:52:58,870 --> 00:53:02,490 Spike Lee was like the Terry McMillan in film 1178 00:53:02,530 --> 00:53:05,140 as what Terry McMillan was doing in publishing. 1179 00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:07,490 You know, black people are going to see movies. 1180 00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:09,800 There was a push for black filmmaking 1181 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,970 started by like Spike Like and John Singleton 1182 00:53:12,020 --> 00:53:13,500 and people like that, 1183 00:53:13,540 --> 00:53:18,370 and I think it was kind of a response to the '80s 1184 00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:21,980 where black people were kind of marginalized. 1185 00:53:22,030 --> 00:53:23,510 - In the early 1990s, 1186 00:53:23,550 --> 00:53:25,600 you kind of saw like a lot of black filmmakers 1187 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,210 kind of come into the fold and not just make comedies 1188 00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:30,600 and dramatic films but also horror films, 1189 00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:31,650 and I think what they were doing 1190 00:53:31,690 --> 00:53:32,870 with the horror films at the time, 1191 00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:34,740 they were making movies that were kind of 1192 00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:37,170 socially conscious and more directly in tune 1193 00:53:37,220 --> 00:53:39,390 with what was going on in the outside world. 1194 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,440 - What you saw today, young brother, 1195 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,050 were victims of economics, 1196 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,840 environment Reganomics. 1197 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,360 Joel as the main character, 1198 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,490 this up-and-coming and soon to be minister. 1199 00:53:52,540 --> 00:53:55,500 He goes and visits his cousin that lives in New York City. 1200 00:53:55,540 --> 00:53:58,190 It really centers around Joel and his crisis of faith. 1201 00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,760 "Do I stick with kind of like my Bible 1202 00:54:00,810 --> 00:54:02,370 and Christian fundamentalism, 1203 00:54:02,420 --> 00:54:05,250 or do I kind of stray a little and have a little fun?" 1204 00:54:05,290 --> 00:54:09,080 - No, I wouldn't. Fornication is a sin. 1205 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,550 - It gets even more extreme than that 1206 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:11,770 because his, literally, 1207 00:54:11,820 --> 00:54:14,300 his soul is at stake with a demon who is like 1208 00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:16,650 looking to immediately kind of eradicate him. 1209 00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:18,040 - 1210 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,260 - It is super biblical, now that I think about it, 1211 00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:22,570 'cause she's basically the parallel of the devil. 1212 00:54:22,610 --> 00:54:23,790 - No! 1213 00:54:23,830 --> 00:54:25,350 - "Def by Temptation" 1214 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,700 is all about that battle between good and evil. 1215 00:54:28,750 --> 00:54:31,180 So, this is also a morality tale. 1216 00:54:31,230 --> 00:54:34,060 These are the lessons that mirror so closely 1217 00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:37,100 to what Michaeux and Spencer Williams 1218 00:54:37,150 --> 00:54:40,240 were offering up in earlier decades. 1219 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,410 I love that connection 1220 00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:42,630 that "Def by Temptation" 1221 00:54:42,670 --> 00:54:44,720 has with those older films from the 1940s. 1222 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,070 It was unique for the time because you weren't seeing 1223 00:54:47,110 --> 00:54:50,200 a lot of black horror films made in 1990, if any. 1224 00:54:50,250 --> 00:54:51,810 That's what makes it a real landmark. 1225 00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:59,300 I feel like "Tales from the Hood" 1226 00:54:59,340 --> 00:55:02,910 did more to kind of cement black horror for the '90s. 1227 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,180 - Welcome to hell! 1228 00:55:08,570 --> 00:55:10,530 - "Tales from the Hood" was groundbreaking. 1229 00:55:10,570 --> 00:55:12,920 - Oh, the shit! 1230 00:55:12,970 --> 00:55:13,880 "Tales from the Hood" 1231 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,320 was this anthology horror film. 1232 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,840 There's four short stories with one wraparound story. 1233 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,100 - My dad used to drag me to march after march 1234 00:55:21,150 --> 00:55:23,540 if it had black, colored, or Negro in the title, 1235 00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:24,930 he was a member. 1236 00:55:24,980 --> 00:55:29,720 So, when I, you know, started to look at horror 1237 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,770 as something to do myself, I'm like, 1238 00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:37,160 Well, I gotta have something in there to... 1239 00:55:37,210 --> 00:55:38,950 we gotta do, we gotta mix it up. 1240 00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:40,910 Not just have horror for horror's sake. 1241 00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:42,340 It deals with spousal abuse 1242 00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:44,650 and then child abuse in the home. 1243 00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:45,950 It deals with gang violence. 1244 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,130 It deals with racist politicians. 1245 00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:51,660 - Can't we all just get along? 1246 00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:53,270 It deals with police brutality. 1247 00:55:53,310 --> 00:55:55,920 So, all of these things kind of intertwine 1248 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,140 and create this kind of supernatural tale 1249 00:55:58,180 --> 00:56:00,970 about revenge and retribution. 1250 00:56:01,010 --> 00:56:03,450 - 1251 00:56:03,490 --> 00:56:06,110 It deals with a lot of different things. 1252 00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:09,500 The anthology format is actually really good in terms of 1253 00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:11,200 you can address a lot of different issues 1254 00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:12,890 with short stories. 1255 00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:15,200 - You have a racist politician. 1256 00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:17,160 An original American. 1257 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,730 Isn't it about time? 1258 00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:22,820 - That's great. I'd even vote for me! 1259 00:56:22,860 --> 00:56:24,380 - Is it really that farfetched 1260 00:56:24,430 --> 00:56:27,040 that someone would have that as a campaign slogan today? 1261 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,130 - I always tell my kids, 1262 00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:29,740 I'm like, you know, people in grave... 1263 00:56:29,780 --> 00:56:33,790 the dead people and the spirits are not gonna mess with you. 1264 00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:35,700 It's livin'... 1265 00:56:35,740 --> 00:56:37,140 - It's living people you gotta worry about, yeah. 1266 00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:38,010 - Yes, that's what we gotta worry about. 1267 00:56:46,890 --> 00:56:50,850 That's how we kinda twisted when we started to do "Tales", 1268 00:56:50,890 --> 00:56:54,680 we gotta turn the tables and make the horror redemptive. 1269 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:56,630 - No! 1270 00:57:02,250 --> 00:57:03,900 - This movie is kind of like 1271 00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:06,600 helping us see justice happening when we're not seeing it happen 1272 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,730 outside of a movie screen or a movie theatre. 1273 00:57:09,780 --> 00:57:12,170 There's cops being acquitted and there's LA riots 1274 00:57:12,210 --> 00:57:13,740 and it just seems like things are so hopeless 1275 00:57:13,780 --> 00:57:17,050 but then you kind of like exercise retribution 1276 00:57:17,090 --> 00:57:19,610 in a horror film for, you know, for justice, 1277 00:57:19,660 --> 00:57:21,790 for racial justice, and I think that's super dope. 1278 00:57:21,830 --> 00:57:27,580 - You tackled, you know, subjects that are horrific. 1279 00:57:27,620 --> 00:57:28,750 - Right. Right. 1280 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:29,750 - We're running around 1281 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,410 looking for ghosts and vampires 1282 00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:35,190 when the vampire is, you're married to him. 1283 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,280 - You're married to him. Exactly. 1284 00:57:36,330 --> 00:57:39,200 - You know, he's sucking you dry, 1285 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,070 you know, and beating you, 1286 00:57:41,110 --> 00:57:45,250 and also hurting and destroying your child. 1287 00:57:45,290 --> 00:57:50,950 That, and I was so young, I learned a lot on that set. 1288 00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:53,080 - 1289 00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:56,780 - I always liked David Alan Grier as a comedian-- 1290 00:57:56,820 --> 00:57:58,170 - Yeah. 1291 00:57:58,220 --> 00:58:01,700 - --but realizing what he could do as an actor. 1292 00:58:01,740 --> 00:58:03,530 That really, that really... 1293 00:58:03,570 --> 00:58:05,660 and then I found out that he was Shakespearian... 1294 00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:07,620 - Shakespearian trained. - Shakespearian trained. 1295 00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:10,710 - Yeah, I, you know, I used to do standup, 1296 00:58:10,750 --> 00:58:12,930 so I kinda knew David from the comedic thing 1297 00:58:12,970 --> 00:58:16,500 but I also knew that he had this Shakespearian background, 1298 00:58:16,540 --> 00:58:22,020 and when I was thinking of who to play that part, 1299 00:58:22,070 --> 00:58:24,940 I purposefully wanted someone 1300 00:58:24,980 --> 00:58:28,550 that everyone looked at as a nice guy. 1301 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,810 There was an interesting thing that happened 1302 00:58:30,860 --> 00:58:32,950 when we screened that episode. 1303 00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:35,690 - I'm gonna teach you and that boy some respect. 1304 00:58:35,730 --> 00:58:37,300 When David Allen Grier 1305 00:58:37,340 --> 00:58:40,650 was first hitting Paula, these kids were laughing. 1306 00:58:40,690 --> 00:58:43,650 - Wow. - And you know what happens, 1307 00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:45,660 particularly I think as a black teenager, 1308 00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:47,310 as someone that goes through the world, 1309 00:58:47,350 --> 00:58:49,440 you're always on the lookout 1310 00:58:49,490 --> 00:58:51,660 for how something is gonna mess with you. 1311 00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:55,970 You're not trying to show your vulnerability. 1312 00:58:56,010 --> 00:58:57,150 - Right. 1313 00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:58,800 - And the easiest way to do that is to 1314 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,240 - Laugh it off. Yeah. - laugh at something. 1315 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,670 And laugh at something. 1316 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,020 - 1317 00:59:03,060 --> 00:59:04,500 - As the beating went on, 1318 00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:07,290 it got quieter and quieter and quieter 1319 00:59:07,330 --> 00:59:09,980 until it felt like they were about to cry. 1320 00:59:10,030 --> 00:59:12,030 - When I rewatch this film, 1321 00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:15,160 it really stands head and shoulders above 1322 00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:17,510 a lot of black horror up to that point 1323 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,560 because in those four segments, what Rusty Cundieff is doing 1324 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,520 is using that metaphor to tell stories 1325 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,870 that were about real-life problems 1326 00:59:26,910 --> 00:59:28,310 facing the black communities. 1327 00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:29,610 - It kind of became more kind of 1328 00:59:29,660 --> 00:59:32,180 a genre classic or something that, you know, 1329 00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:34,050 the black community kind of like talked about 1330 00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:36,180 and it was kind of a word of mouth thing 1331 00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:38,750 but maybe it is because of "Get Out" that it got 1332 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,360 this kind of resurgence and then got a sequel. 1333 00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:44,150 - This shit ain't over yet, bitch! 1334 00:59:44,190 --> 00:59:46,760 - "Tales from the Hood 2", 1335 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,370 you know, Darren and I have been trying 1336 00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:50,420 to get this thing made forever. 1337 00:59:50,460 --> 00:59:53,900 - I think it's gonna be quite amazing! 1338 00:59:53,940 --> 00:59:55,860 We're back to telling 1339 00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:57,380 ...back to telling stories 1340 00:59:57,420 --> 01:00:01,040 that hopefully deal with some issues that people have. 1341 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,210 This one I think is, 1342 01:00:02,250 --> 01:00:04,650 there's some stuff that's a little headier. 1343 01:00:04,690 --> 01:00:07,300 It's a different kind of "Tales" story, 1344 01:00:07,350 --> 01:00:09,780 touches people in a different way, 1345 01:00:09,830 --> 01:00:11,050 though it is scary. 1346 01:00:11,090 --> 01:00:14,350 - 1347 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,710 - You start to see more women on screen in the 1990s. 1348 01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:24,450 "Eve's Bayou", Kasi Lemmons, 1349 01:00:24,490 --> 01:00:26,100 which is one of my favorite. 1350 01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:27,450 Some people don't consider it horror 1351 01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:30,590 but I do because it's just, 1352 01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:34,200 really, it's one of those great interchanges of human horror 1353 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,070 and hints of the supernatural. 1354 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,640 During the time, 1355 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,420 it was still super rare to see black women be directors, 1356 01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:42,470 so Kasi Lemmons really pushing to direct 1357 01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:45,950 was really groundbreaking and really important. 1358 01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:48,740 It has that beautiful cinematography. 1359 01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:50,260 The whole thing is like a poem, really, 1360 01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:51,560 it's just so beautiful. 1361 01:00:51,610 --> 01:00:54,920 The script by Kasi Lemmons is just fantastic. 1362 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,480 I've taught it in my black horror class at UCLA 1363 01:00:57,530 --> 01:00:58,750 and when I teach it, 1364 01:00:58,790 --> 01:01:01,270 I like to tweet out lines from the script. 1365 01:01:01,310 --> 01:01:02,920 It's just so beautifully written. 1366 01:01:02,970 --> 01:01:06,670 - That opening scene and the first thing you hear... 1367 01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:08,150 The summer I killed my father, 1368 01:01:08,190 --> 01:01:09,630 I was ten years old. 1369 01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:11,240 ...it's just brilliant, 1370 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,370 and it was a different kind of scary movie. 1371 01:01:14,410 --> 01:01:16,110 - Bad girl. 1372 01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:18,330 It's a movie about what memory means 1373 01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:19,720 in the eyes of a black young girl 1374 01:01:19,770 --> 01:01:23,900 and how she tries to help keep her family together 1375 01:01:23,940 --> 01:01:28,300 and also kind of heal any wounds that are kind of lingering 1376 01:01:28,340 --> 01:01:31,130 within, her father's, you know, infidelity, 1377 01:01:31,170 --> 01:01:34,130 and also maybe that kind of like touchy subject of, 1378 01:01:34,170 --> 01:01:36,700 "Is he being inappropriate with one of his daughters?" 1379 01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:39,220 - That Debbi Morgan character, 1380 01:01:39,260 --> 01:01:43,530 you feel so... so much strength from her. 1381 01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:49,450 But you feel so much pain because of what she's lost. 1382 01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:51,800 - Sometimes I feel like I've lost so much, 1383 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,060 I have to find new things to lose. 1384 01:01:55,110 --> 01:01:57,930 Magic steps in to sort of take the place 1385 01:01:57,980 --> 01:01:59,550 of those harder questions 1386 01:01:59,590 --> 01:02:01,760 about what's really happening in that house. 1387 01:02:01,810 --> 01:02:03,290 I think what Kasi Lemmons does 1388 01:02:03,330 --> 01:02:04,900 and what she kind of inspired 1389 01:02:04,940 --> 01:02:07,680 for a lot of the black women horror filmmakers that I talk to 1390 01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:11,950 is we do have a story to tell and don't be afraid 1391 01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:15,390 to kind of like, you know, "Oh, because a studio exec 1392 01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:18,350 or higher ups may not like seeing an all-black cast 1393 01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:21,090 or a film centered around black women, 1394 01:02:21,130 --> 01:02:22,260 then I can't do this." 1395 01:02:22,310 --> 01:02:23,740 And I think what Kasi Lemmons' film did, 1396 01:02:23,790 --> 01:02:25,350 she says, "No, we can do this," 1397 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,570 and to not be afraid of any pushback, 1398 01:02:27,620 --> 01:02:29,920 to keep pushing for your story, your voice, 1399 01:02:29,970 --> 01:02:31,530 which she did for a generation is tell them 1400 01:02:31,580 --> 01:02:33,580 that their voice really does matter. 1401 01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:37,500 - Horrible, isn't it? 1402 01:02:39,450 --> 01:02:40,930 - There's Billy and there's Jada. 1403 01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:41,980 - Billy and Jada. 1404 01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:42,940 - Do we have a deal? 1405 01:02:44,460 --> 01:02:45,900 She did surprise me, though. 1406 01:02:45,940 --> 01:02:48,070 She called me up, "Ernest, I colored my hair." 1407 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,940 "What?" 1408 01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:52,950 "I hope it doesn't mess you up too much. 1409 01:02:52,990 --> 01:02:55,430 I made it kind of like platinum." 1410 01:02:55,470 --> 01:02:58,170 I said, "Oh, Jada, Jada." 1411 01:02:59,390 --> 01:03:00,480 - 1412 01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:01,610 In 1995, 1413 01:03:01,650 --> 01:03:03,170 something really groundbreaking happens 1414 01:03:03,220 --> 01:03:06,090 because we kind of see this like first like contemporary 1415 01:03:06,130 --> 01:03:08,790 black final girl, and it's Jada Pinkette. 1416 01:03:08,830 --> 01:03:11,270 The final girl is this term coined by Carol Clover. 1417 01:03:11,310 --> 01:03:13,490 She wrote this book called "Men, Women, and Chainsaws, 1418 01:03:13,530 --> 01:03:15,190 Gender in The Modern Horror Film" 1419 01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:18,010 and the final girl is basically the last girl standing 1420 01:03:18,060 --> 01:03:22,580 and the common theme was that they were all white. 1421 01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:25,500 - I know that the producers wanted 1422 01:03:25,540 --> 01:03:29,030 another actress, a white actress, for that role 1423 01:03:29,070 --> 01:03:34,810 but I had just seen Jada in "Menace to Society"... 1424 01:03:34,860 --> 01:03:36,690 And I just said, "Oh, she's my Jeryline," 1425 01:03:36,730 --> 01:03:41,730 so I had to campaign hard to get her in there. 1426 01:03:41,780 --> 01:03:43,210 I said, you know, it's the perfect setup 1427 01:03:43,260 --> 01:03:47,130 because everybody's gonna think, "Oh, she's gonna die." 1428 01:03:47,170 --> 01:03:48,650 - Right. 1429 01:03:48,700 --> 01:03:49,700 - She's dead already, you know? We know that. 1430 01:03:49,740 --> 01:03:53,180 And she winds up being the sister 1431 01:03:53,220 --> 01:03:55,180 that winds up saving the world. 1432 01:03:55,230 --> 01:03:58,320 - 1433 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,270 - That was just like, "Oh, crap." 1434 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,710 You wouldn't have seen that in '80s. 1435 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,540 Fearless women on screen have been on the rise 1436 01:04:04,580 --> 01:04:08,370 ever since Kira in "The Invitation", 1437 01:04:08,410 --> 01:04:10,890 Aaliyah in "Queen of the Damned", 1438 01:04:10,940 --> 01:04:13,370 Sennia Nanua in "The Girl with All the Gifts". 1439 01:04:13,420 --> 01:04:15,640 They're black women and they're survivors. 1440 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,340 Seeing Saana Lathan side by side with the predator 1441 01:04:18,380 --> 01:04:20,770 and just killing aliens was just like, 1442 01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:23,340 "Wait a minute, so her and this predator 1443 01:04:23,380 --> 01:04:25,170 are gonna start like..." 1444 01:04:25,210 --> 01:04:26,690 That was so cool 1445 01:04:26,740 --> 01:04:28,610 because I think she was like the last person alive 1446 01:04:28,650 --> 01:04:32,520 and like he made her kind of a tribeswoman, 1447 01:04:32,570 --> 01:04:34,270 like she was a part of their crew now. 1448 01:04:36,570 --> 01:04:38,700 Right around the turn of the 21st century, 1449 01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:41,230 hip hop-inspired horror films started to come out. 1450 01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:43,060 - Then it's just add Z. 1451 01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:46,630 So "Wolvez" with a Z, 1452 01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:51,060 "Vampz" with a Z, "Bloodz VS Wolvez", 1453 01:04:51,110 --> 01:04:53,760 so there's just Zs exploding all over the place 1454 01:04:53,810 --> 01:04:56,810 but the Zs are there to indicate 1455 01:04:56,850 --> 01:04:59,160 that it's kind of a hip-hop kind of thing. 1456 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,820 You have rappers just showing up in horror movies. 1457 01:05:02,860 --> 01:05:07,120 LL Cool J is in "Halloween H20". 1458 01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:08,260 - Yeah? 1459 01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:09,390 What's going on, baby? 1460 01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:10,650 - I don't know. 1461 01:05:10,690 --> 01:05:12,430 - You had "Anaconda", you know, Ice Cube. 1462 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,130 - Will Smith and Jazzy Jeff 1463 01:05:14,170 --> 01:05:17,570 and it's a send-up to the film "Nightmare on Elm Street" 1464 01:05:17,610 --> 01:05:19,570 and the "Geto Boys" who are from Houston 1465 01:05:19,610 --> 01:05:22,920 who have really significant horror themes. 1466 01:05:22,970 --> 01:05:24,970 It's kind of a natural pairing. 1467 01:05:25,010 --> 01:05:27,410 They're fans, they're rapping about it, 1468 01:05:27,450 --> 01:05:29,620 and eventually, they end up on set. 1469 01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:36,460 One highlight from the early 2000s was "Bones" 1470 01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:38,940 which was this kind of this blacksploitation throwback. 1471 01:05:38,980 --> 01:05:40,420 It comments on what drugs did 1472 01:05:40,460 --> 01:05:42,420 to the black community specifically. 1473 01:05:42,460 --> 01:05:44,770 We had Snoop Dogg as this title character. 1474 01:05:44,810 --> 01:05:46,600 He's involved in gambling 1475 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,730 and stuff like that, but he ain't somebody 1476 01:05:48,770 --> 01:05:52,730 who always tried to give back to his community. 1477 01:05:52,780 --> 01:05:54,910 But for me, one of the most interesting things 1478 01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:57,300 about doing "Bones" was the love story. 1479 01:05:58,700 --> 01:06:00,610 - 1480 01:06:00,660 --> 01:06:03,140 - But just the idea, you know, of reviving a love 1481 01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:06,840 that had been lost and it's one of the things 1482 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,930 that the studio really kind of downplayed. 1483 01:06:09,970 --> 01:06:13,360 - Really? - Yeah, when they...yeah. 1484 01:06:13,410 --> 01:06:17,800 Yeah, I think they wanted kind of like a cheap horror film, 1485 01:06:17,850 --> 01:06:22,590 you know, and I think we gave it more than they anticipated. 1486 01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:23,850 But I gotta tell you this, 1487 01:06:25,810 --> 01:06:28,340 you haven't lived until you've seen Snoop blush. 1488 01:06:29,380 --> 01:06:30,950 'Cause Snoop, Snoop, 1489 01:06:30,990 --> 01:06:33,430 first day, Snoop had to kiss Pam Grier. 1490 01:06:33,470 --> 01:06:34,950 - For real? 1491 01:06:34,990 --> 01:06:36,080 And he kissed her and they were into it, 1492 01:06:36,130 --> 01:06:37,650 they were into it, they were into it, 1493 01:06:37,690 --> 01:06:40,000 I said, "Cut," and Snoop just... 1494 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,130 I said, "You blushing, man?" 1495 01:06:44,180 --> 01:06:47,490 He said, "Hey, man, I grew up dreaming about this woman. 1496 01:06:47,530 --> 01:06:48,830 Now I get to kiss her?" 1497 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,400 - Yeah, that's a good day. 1498 01:06:52,750 --> 01:06:54,270 But then, things started to change 1499 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,280 and more black characters are starting to be centralized 1500 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,410 or even if they were secondary characters, 1501 01:06:58,450 --> 01:07:00,190 they were much more prominent, 1502 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,670 more seen, not just as window dressing, 1503 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,720 but very integral to the story. 1504 01:07:06,550 --> 01:07:07,940 "Attack the Block", 1505 01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:09,770 I loved this film, man. This was the kind of movie 1506 01:07:09,810 --> 01:07:12,510 I would have loved to have seen as a kid. 1507 01:07:12,550 --> 01:07:13,730 - Now that you mention, 1508 01:07:13,770 --> 01:07:15,380 I wanna make sure I show it to my kids. 1509 01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:17,300 - But also growing up in a housing project 1510 01:07:17,340 --> 01:07:21,040 and seeing a film that says, "Yeah, we can be heroes, too." 1511 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,520 It's a story about 1512 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,650 working class youth in London 1513 01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:26,920 and literally, there's an alien invasion 1514 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,090 that comes crashing down on your neighborhood. 1515 01:07:33,100 --> 01:07:34,840 Moses, played by John Boyega, 1516 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,530 basically saves his neighborhood. 1517 01:07:36,580 --> 01:07:39,890 Every time I see this movie at the end, it gives me chills. 1518 01:07:39,930 --> 01:07:42,100 Moses is in a cop car with his friend Pest 1519 01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:44,850 and all he hears outside is his name being chanted 1520 01:07:44,890 --> 01:07:46,810 over again. "Moses, Moses!" 1521 01:07:46,850 --> 01:07:48,850 Moses! Moses! 1522 01:07:48,890 --> 01:07:49,900 - His friend looks at him, 1523 01:07:49,940 --> 01:07:50,900 he's like, "Hey, that's for you." 1524 01:07:50,940 --> 01:07:52,160 That's for you, man. 1525 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:53,290 This is why John Boyega 1526 01:07:53,330 --> 01:07:54,730 is in "Star Wars", right? 1527 01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:55,940 That's why he's this big star because he looks up 1528 01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:57,600 and he has this smile on his face, 1529 01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,300 this innocent, pure, child-like smile. 1530 01:08:01,340 --> 01:08:04,950 He gets to feel like he matters in his neighborhood. 1531 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,000 A lot of young black kids don't feel like they matter. 1532 01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,830 I think that's really the core of this film. 1533 01:08:10,830 --> 01:08:12,700 He gets to be the hero. 1534 01:08:12,740 --> 01:08:14,310 - I think something really important 1535 01:08:14,350 --> 01:08:16,570 happens in the 2000s. 1536 01:08:16,620 --> 01:08:19,750 When you have these more self-reflexive horror films 1537 01:08:19,790 --> 01:08:21,880 that are looking back and saying, 1538 01:08:21,930 --> 01:08:24,970 "That was the stereotype," or, "That was the cliché," 1539 01:08:25,020 --> 01:08:28,460 or, "That's the trope we are always relying on." 1540 01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:32,680 So, in exposing those kinds of well-worn, 1541 01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:37,160 kind of well-trodden knowns about horror, 1542 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,250 horror also had to catch up and mature 1543 01:08:39,290 --> 01:08:41,990 if it was going to continue to thrive. 1544 01:08:42,030 --> 01:08:43,560 It's all over. 1545 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,950 It's not over. It's just not yours anymore. 1546 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:47,910 Now you gotta see this film, 1547 01:08:47,950 --> 01:08:49,300 "The Girl with All the Gifts". 1548 01:08:49,350 --> 01:08:51,830 - I mean, I watched this 'cause you recommend it. 1549 01:08:51,870 --> 01:08:55,440 - Really well-done British horror film 1550 01:08:55,480 --> 01:08:59,140 with this young black girl as the main character. 1551 01:08:59,180 --> 01:09:01,140 It's after a disease that's hit humanity 1552 01:09:01,180 --> 01:09:05,540 where it's turned into everybody into like these feral animals. 1553 01:09:05,580 --> 01:09:07,020 - 1554 01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:08,410 - It's a zombie movie. 1555 01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:10,150 Sort of. It's terrifying. 1556 01:09:10,190 --> 01:09:13,020 It's an apocalyptic future where we're no longer us 1557 01:09:13,070 --> 01:09:16,680 but again it's probably white people's fear, right? 1558 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,510 That they're losing dominion, you know, 1559 01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:24,210 that the manifest destiny thing isn't quite working 1560 01:09:24,250 --> 01:09:25,250 like it used to. 1561 01:09:27,650 --> 01:09:30,000 That character was not written as black. 1562 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:31,910 That happened during the casting process. 1563 01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:33,690 It's a very similar process as to what happened 1564 01:09:33,740 --> 01:09:35,130 in "Night of the Living Dead". 1565 01:09:35,170 --> 01:09:38,390 She just killed the audition, so she got the part, 1566 01:09:38,440 --> 01:09:41,090 and it creates such a difference in the film 1567 01:09:41,140 --> 01:09:43,400 to have this black child. 1568 01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:45,620 - I read the book before I saw the movie, 1569 01:09:45,660 --> 01:09:47,100 so when I saw the movie 1570 01:09:47,140 --> 01:09:49,140 and they had cast a little black girl, 1571 01:09:49,190 --> 01:09:51,630 I was like, "Oh, my God, this is amazing!" 1572 01:09:51,670 --> 01:09:53,580 - We're alive? 1573 01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:54,540 - Yes. 1574 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,890 - Then why should it be us who die for you? 1575 01:09:58,940 --> 01:09:59,810 I talked to Mike Carey, 1576 01:09:59,850 --> 01:10:01,770 the writer/screenwriter. 1577 01:10:01,810 --> 01:10:03,900 This is a sharper social commentary 1578 01:10:03,940 --> 01:10:06,160 even maybe than that he had intended. 1579 01:10:06,210 --> 01:10:08,290 You see a story about a character, a black girl 1580 01:10:08,340 --> 01:10:11,080 who faces some insurmountable odds 1581 01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,260 where it seems impossible but you come up with plans 1582 01:10:14,300 --> 01:10:16,170 and you execute your plans. 1583 01:10:16,220 --> 01:10:18,390 This is the stuff that helps us get through life. 1584 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,270 That's the kind of opportunity 1585 01:10:23,310 --> 01:10:25,790 that I would have killed for in the '90s, 1586 01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:27,140 reading script after script after script 1587 01:10:27,180 --> 01:10:29,360 and wanting to read for the lead girl 1588 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,060 but going, "Oh, no, okay, I'm the friend, 1589 01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:34,670 so I'm gonna say, 'Are you okay? 1590 01:10:34,710 --> 01:10:36,370 Oh, are you okay? 1591 01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:37,760 Are you okay?'" 1592 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:38,760 - Are you okay? 1593 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,110 - Yeah. 1594 01:10:40,150 --> 01:10:42,150 - I mean, six million different ways to Sunday, 1595 01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,200 I have to figure out a million different line readings 1596 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,250 for the same line because whatever thing is going on, 1597 01:10:47,290 --> 01:10:49,550 it's not about the black people we're going through, 1598 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,250 it's, "Are you, white person in peril, okay?" 1599 01:10:52,290 --> 01:10:54,040 So when I saw that movie, 1600 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,520 I was like, "Okay, things are shifting." 1601 01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,080 We've shifted from being the focal point 1602 01:10:59,130 --> 01:11:03,520 of the fear, other, to being the heroes, right? 1603 01:11:03,570 --> 01:11:04,790 To being the icons. 1604 01:11:04,830 --> 01:11:06,610 To being the one that you in the audience 1605 01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:07,790 are looking up to. 1606 01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:10,270 That's been very exciting to watch unfold. 1607 01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:11,880 - If you have to ride in the back of the bus 1608 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,670 for 90% of history, it takes a little bit to get in front. 1609 01:11:16,710 --> 01:11:18,280 - Black is in fashion. 1610 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,060 "Get Out" I think, 1611 01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:27,290 is kind of like a perfect movie of its time. 1612 01:11:27,330 --> 01:11:29,900 It came out like the transition between the Obama administration 1613 01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:30,900 and the Trump administration. 1614 01:11:30,940 --> 01:11:31,900 - Yeah. 1615 01:11:31,940 --> 01:11:33,160 - So, I mean, 1616 01:11:33,210 --> 01:11:36,030 I remember when Obama was elected. 1617 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,250 People were actually having debates about whether 1618 01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:40,560 racism is dead now and that sort of thing. 1619 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,080 Is this a post-racial world and all that? 1620 01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:45,570 As Trump's campaign came along, 1621 01:11:45,610 --> 01:11:49,440 I think the public came to be aware like, 1622 01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:52,350 "Uh-oh, you know, racism still does exist." 1623 01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,310 - A horrific scene in Charlottesville, Virginia. 1624 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,190 The hate boiling over white supremacists 1625 01:11:58,230 --> 01:12:01,890 and countered protestors fighting with fists and clubs, 1626 01:12:01,930 --> 01:12:04,370 confederate flags on full display. 1627 01:12:04,410 --> 01:12:06,240 I think there's blame on both sides 1628 01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,020 and I have no doubt about it. 1629 01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:10,720 - You will not replace us. 1630 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,590 White lives matter! 1631 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:14,810 It sort of like shows you 1632 01:12:14,860 --> 01:12:16,380 where the culture is right now 1633 01:12:16,420 --> 01:12:18,030 as far as black men are concerned. 1634 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:19,290 - Yes. 1635 01:12:19,340 --> 01:12:21,820 - And a lot of the fears that we go through 1636 01:12:21,860 --> 01:12:24,740 being a part of the black race. 1637 01:12:26,910 --> 01:12:30,740 When I think about the fears that we deal with, 1638 01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:35,220 I think that anything that we suppress as people, 1639 01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:40,580 anything that we push down and hold deep is gonna explode. 1640 01:12:40,620 --> 01:12:44,410 It's gonna come out in a nasty way 1641 01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:48,720 if it's held on to long enough. 1642 01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:54,160 So, I think we need these valves for our fears. 1643 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:55,590 - Sink into the floor. 1644 01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:56,680 - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 1645 01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:57,640 - Sink. 1646 01:13:02,820 --> 01:13:04,780 - Floored me right to the... 1647 01:13:04,820 --> 01:13:06,650 I had no idea what to expect. 1648 01:13:06,690 --> 01:13:09,040 Is this something that we, as a people, 1649 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,390 always talk about. - Exactly. 1650 01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:13,910 - Like, you know, it's like you told our secret. 1651 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,700 - - That we do have a fear 1652 01:13:17,740 --> 01:13:24,100 that these people are trying to steal our souls. 1653 01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:26,010 It's an auction, you know. 1654 01:13:26,060 --> 01:13:27,620 It's an auction block 1655 01:13:27,670 --> 01:13:30,020 and she's disguised in a different way. 1656 01:13:30,060 --> 01:13:33,020 - 1657 01:13:33,060 --> 01:13:35,540 - What the maid to me represented in "Get Out" 1658 01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:39,330 is just what maids has been doing through history. 1659 01:13:39,370 --> 01:13:41,900 They've been trying to tell you. 1660 01:13:41,940 --> 01:13:47,600 - Oh, no. No. No. 1661 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,910 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 1662 01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:52,340 - They've been sitting at the table 1663 01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:54,830 with the white people and saying look, 1664 01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:57,480 "We ain't gonna do this. Get the hell out of here." 1665 01:13:59,130 --> 01:14:00,610 I think one of my favorite parts 1666 01:14:00,660 --> 01:14:04,490 is when the girl is smiling and crying at the same time. 1667 01:14:04,530 --> 01:14:06,490 - My favorite part is when he was beatin' their ass! 1668 01:14:06,530 --> 01:14:07,840 - 1669 01:14:09,490 --> 01:14:11,150 I was like, "Oh, you didn't get 1670 01:14:11,190 --> 01:14:14,540 that he was like picking cotton out of the chair?" 1671 01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:17,200 Or, "You didn't get, like he killed him with a buck. 1672 01:14:18,330 --> 01:14:19,980 Did you not know that black men were called bucks 1673 01:14:20,020 --> 01:14:21,370 during slavery?" 1674 01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:25,290 - I felt like I wanna make the movie 1675 01:14:25,330 --> 01:14:28,730 as answering every disappointed black person 1676 01:14:28,770 --> 01:14:32,990 that goes to a theater and watches, you know, 1677 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,950 white protagonists make dumb decisions. 1678 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,130 - No, no, no, no, no. 1679 01:14:36,170 --> 01:14:38,000 No, no, no, don't do that! 1680 01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:39,870 - And that sense of marginalization 1681 01:14:41,570 --> 01:14:44,610 that sense of, "Can we just...? 1682 01:14:44,660 --> 01:14:47,010 If there was a brother in here, that would never happen. 1683 01:14:47,050 --> 01:14:48,360 That would never happen. 1684 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,230 If there was a sister, would never let this... 1685 01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:52,230 she would be out of the house." 1686 01:14:56,930 --> 01:14:58,410 Spoiler alert, 1687 01:14:58,450 --> 01:15:01,280 but there's no good white people in this movie. 1688 01:15:01,330 --> 01:15:04,720 That white savior trope always pops up. 1689 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,200 There's always one good white person. 1690 01:15:07,250 --> 01:15:09,290 I saw this as obviously this opportunity 1691 01:15:09,330 --> 01:15:12,690 to use that to my favor. 1692 01:15:12,730 --> 01:15:14,820 The audience is expecting, though, you have to have 1693 01:15:14,860 --> 01:15:17,910 one good white person in the film, right? 1694 01:15:19,780 --> 01:15:21,610 - You know I can't give you the keys, right, babe? 1695 01:15:22,910 --> 01:15:24,480 - I couldn't believe what I was watching. 1696 01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:35,230 - I made "Get Out" for everybody in the audience, 1697 01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:40,450 you know, I didn't want anybody to see the film and not get it, 1698 01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:43,460 but I really made it for black audiences, 1699 01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:46,980 that meaning, if black audience didn't get it, 1700 01:15:47,020 --> 01:15:50,240 and didn't get like it, that's a fail, you know. 1701 01:15:50,290 --> 01:15:53,470 - Not surprisingly but kind of surprisingly, 1702 01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:56,690 the white guy next to me and all the audience members 1703 01:15:56,730 --> 01:15:58,990 who were white were cheering for Chris. 1704 01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,000 That empathy that we have so often 1705 01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,000 had to extend to characters who didn't look like us, 1706 01:16:09,050 --> 01:16:12,830 white audience members were extending their empathy to him. 1707 01:16:14,180 --> 01:16:16,840 The ending of "Get Out" 1708 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:21,750 was very inspired by "Night of the Living Dead", 1709 01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,320 although I didn't necessarily know it when it happened. 1710 01:16:25,370 --> 01:16:26,760 You know, it was common knowledge 1711 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,890 that my intention was to have Chris go to jail 1712 01:16:30,940 --> 01:16:33,330 and that the cops would come out and take him away. 1713 01:16:33,370 --> 01:16:34,460 - Get up here! 1714 01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:42,470 - Now most realistic ending is he's shot on the road. 1715 01:16:42,510 --> 01:16:43,600 - 1716 01:16:48,430 --> 01:16:49,610 - No one wants to watch that. 1717 01:16:49,650 --> 01:16:52,050 That's headlines, that's hashtags. 1718 01:16:52,090 --> 01:16:54,870 Prison would have been a little bit more of a mercy 1719 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,140 but even so, I have seen enough black men 1720 01:16:57,180 --> 01:16:58,620 in prison orange. 1721 01:16:58,660 --> 01:17:01,530 I could go my whole life without seeing another film 1722 01:17:01,580 --> 01:17:03,840 or television program about black men in prison. 1723 01:17:05,970 --> 01:17:09,980 By the time I showed the film to an audience, 1724 01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:11,800 the culture were at change, okay, 1725 01:17:11,850 --> 01:17:14,940 so Black Lives Matter had become a presence 1726 01:17:14,980 --> 01:17:17,900 and there was now attention to racial violence 1727 01:17:17,940 --> 01:17:20,860 in a way that there hadn't been when I first wrote it. 1728 01:17:20,900 --> 01:17:24,380 - The lights of the car said it was the cops coming 1729 01:17:24,430 --> 01:17:27,390 and it was a whole another rash of fear. 1730 01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:29,210 It was almost like the Klan is coming. 1731 01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:30,780 Because it was like, 1732 01:17:30,820 --> 01:17:32,560 "Oh, my God, if it's the cops, he doesn't have a chance." 1733 01:17:32,610 --> 01:17:36,660 - Black people also were expressing this like, 1734 01:17:36,700 --> 01:17:39,400 "Yo, we need a hero. We need a release. 1735 01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:41,570 We need a cheer," and so I listened to that. 1736 01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:47,100 To have Rod show up and save him, 1737 01:17:47,140 --> 01:17:51,760 that lets you know that there will be no Chris 1738 01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,330 being speared by meathooks, being burned on a pyre. 1739 01:17:55,370 --> 01:17:57,370 There will be no lynching today. 1740 01:17:57,420 --> 01:17:59,030 That's the power of "Get Out". 1741 01:18:02,590 --> 01:18:04,990 - The fact that this movie had never been made, 1742 01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:09,430 not only "Get Out" itself, the fact that there's, you know, 1743 01:18:09,470 --> 01:18:14,520 a small handful of films led by black people, 1744 01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,960 to me, was the horror itself. 1745 01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,960 It's no mistake that the sunken place 1746 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:26,140 feels and looks like a darkened theatre, right? 1747 01:18:26,180 --> 01:18:32,580 We're allowed to buy a ticket and yell at the screen 1748 01:18:32,620 --> 01:18:36,060 but we're never going to get that representation. 1749 01:18:39,330 --> 01:18:40,500 - What's going on, man? 1750 01:18:42,020 --> 01:18:43,980 I can't see myself. 1751 01:18:44,030 --> 01:18:47,420 - I'm afraid that's one of the misfortunes of the cursed. 1752 01:18:47,470 --> 01:18:49,340 - This really ain't hip! 1753 01:18:49,380 --> 01:18:51,990 I mean, a man has got to see his face! 1754 01:18:52,030 --> 01:18:53,780 Probably of any line in that film, 1755 01:18:53,820 --> 01:18:57,480 that line reverberates. 1756 01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,740 "A man has got to be able to see himself," 1757 01:19:00,780 --> 01:19:04,830 is really a prophetic line 1758 01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:08,180 'cause it represents black people 1759 01:19:08,230 --> 01:19:13,490 and black people's history and legacy and journey 1760 01:19:13,530 --> 01:19:16,150 and the ability to see yourself today. 1761 01:19:16,190 --> 01:19:19,370 - It's finally dawning on the powers that be 1762 01:19:19,410 --> 01:19:22,540 that horror is a valid genre, right? 1763 01:19:22,590 --> 01:19:24,940 It's not just some little odd thing over there 1764 01:19:24,980 --> 01:19:28,250 that low budget people make, and make a little money on, 1765 01:19:28,290 --> 01:19:29,550 and we make fun of. 1766 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,860 MIGUEL A. NUÑ Because of "Get Out" 1767 01:19:33,900 --> 01:19:35,640 I think black is the new green. 1768 01:19:35,690 --> 01:19:38,690 I think any little remaining shades of, 1769 01:19:38,730 --> 01:19:40,610 "Uh, if he's black, do you think it'll work? 1770 01:19:40,650 --> 01:19:42,220 You know, if it's a black cast, you think it'll work? 1771 01:19:42,260 --> 01:19:43,830 If it's a black director, you think it'll work?" 1772 01:19:43,870 --> 01:19:46,310 All those little bitty remaining barriers 1773 01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:48,270 have been completely removed. 1774 01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:50,530 There's some people right now, and I know this to be a fact, 1775 01:19:50,570 --> 01:19:52,620 that are changing some of their white scripts 1776 01:19:52,660 --> 01:19:54,360 to make them black now. 1777 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:55,530 - There's less and less of this, 1778 01:19:55,580 --> 01:19:56,930 "Oh, well, black people don't like, 1779 01:19:56,970 --> 01:19:58,490 watch, or make horror films." 1780 01:19:58,540 --> 01:20:02,710 I think that's a conversation that's becoming obsolete. 1781 01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,720 A part of the work that I do that I love doing is 1782 01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,680 I get to talk to these new and up-and-coming filmmakers 1783 01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,770 who are making these really fun and funny 1784 01:20:10,810 --> 01:20:14,070 but also scary and introspective films. 1785 01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,690 - Just so many up-and-coming talents out there 1786 01:20:17,730 --> 01:20:19,820 that's, you know, that's pretty exciting 1787 01:20:19,860 --> 01:20:23,870 and gives me hope for the future that we're... 1788 01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:24,950 - We'll help other and... 1789 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,000 - Yeah! - ...and change the game. 1790 01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,830 - We just need to all get in the door, you know. 1791 01:20:29,870 --> 01:20:32,310 There's so many stories and so many genres 1792 01:20:32,350 --> 01:20:33,750 that we belong to. 1793 01:20:33,790 --> 01:20:35,660 - I just have so many people like say, 1794 01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:37,100 "I got a horror film. I got a horror film. 1795 01:20:37,140 --> 01:20:38,100 I got a horror film," 1796 01:20:38,140 --> 01:20:40,450 and this is way before "Get Out". 1797 01:20:40,490 --> 01:20:41,970 And now, maybe they'll get a chance 1798 01:20:42,010 --> 01:20:44,630 to actually get that out to the public. 1799 01:20:44,670 --> 01:20:45,890 - These are stories 1800 01:20:45,930 --> 01:20:50,500 by black creators for black viewers. 1801 01:20:50,540 --> 01:20:52,720 If whites want to enjoy it,fine, 1802 01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,770 but it's not about them, right? It's about us. 1803 01:20:55,810 --> 01:20:58,600 I think the entire film industry 1804 01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,080 are ready for us to open up the doors. 1805 01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:07,130 Just seeing black heroes and leads on screen 1806 01:21:07,170 --> 01:21:08,820 like the next generation won't think, 1807 01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:10,610 "Oh, that's weird." 1808 01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:12,000 They're gonna think, 1809 01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,570 "That's perfectly normal to have the black lead, 1810 01:21:14,610 --> 01:21:15,960 the black person save the day." 1811 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,090 - If we can use what we've experienced, 1812 01:21:19,140 --> 01:21:22,180 we can tell stories that people have never seen before, 1813 01:21:22,230 --> 01:21:25,010 so that's what I'm excited to see coming. 1814 01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:29,980 - There's a draw and a connection there 1815 01:21:30,020 --> 01:21:33,330 in the minority experience for these horror films. 1816 01:21:33,370 --> 01:21:35,980 The industry's realized, "Oh, yeah, 1817 01:21:36,020 --> 01:21:41,250 white people will see movies about non-white people." 1818 01:21:43,290 --> 01:21:45,900 They will. They'll see. You just have to make 'em. 1819 01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:57,090 - Mic. - Thank you. 1820 01:21:57,130 --> 01:21:59,000 - Are we rolling? 1821 01:21:59,050 --> 01:22:00,610 Why didn't somebody tell us we were rolling? 1822 01:22:00,660 --> 01:22:02,310 No one said anything! 1823 01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:03,840 We just sitting here talking... I didn't know we were rolling. 1824 01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:05,320 No one said Action. 1825 01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:06,530 - That always got me up like 1826 01:22:06,580 --> 01:22:08,360 I don't know about the fashion of the time, 1827 01:22:08,410 --> 01:22:09,970 but I'm like, you know, 1828 01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:12,840 these murders going around, people with bites in their neck, 1829 01:22:12,890 --> 01:22:14,980 and no one's suspecting the guy with the cape. 1830 01:22:15,020 --> 01:22:17,680 - Nobody! - They did the mash... 1831 01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,370 They did the monster mash! 1832 01:22:19,420 --> 01:22:22,510 - Horra? Horror? 1833 01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:24,070 It's like rhymes with torah, right? 1834 01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,030 Horra? Torah? 1835 01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:29,820 I cannot horror. I love talking horra. 1836 01:22:29,860 --> 01:22:32,690 Oh, shit. I love talking horror. 1837 01:22:32,730 --> 01:22:34,690 They play the monster mash! 1838 01:22:36,910 --> 01:22:39,350 - Brown's in Town! 1839 01:22:39,390 --> 01:22:41,790 - "Return of the Living Dead" was one of my favorite films. 1840 01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:45,490 I didn't know anything and the entire film, 1841 01:22:45,530 --> 01:22:48,790 I was supposed to be walking around with a naked girl. 1842 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:50,360 - Right. - So, if you watch it, 1843 01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,270 go back to the movie, 'cause when the scenes were on her, 1844 01:22:53,620 --> 01:22:57,110 most people lookin' at her but next time, when you watch it, 1845 01:22:57,150 --> 01:22:59,410 look at me and I'm gonna be like this. 1846 01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,720 - Every scene I was like that! 1847 01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,770 - So, any of you filmmakers, 1848 01:23:04,810 --> 01:23:06,940 if you wanna include a couple of old timers, 1849 01:23:06,990 --> 01:23:10,380 hey, you know, my number still works. Okay? 1850 01:23:10,420 --> 01:23:12,430 - Our numbers still work. - You know what I mean? 1851 01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:14,430 - Are we finished? 'Cause I wanna watch this whole movie.