1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:32,208 --> 00:00:34,333 Get a couple more shots in. 4 00:00:34,417 --> 00:00:35,875 Photographer: Okay. 5 00:00:35,959 --> 00:00:38,291 You know what I want you to do? Be really brave. 6 00:00:38,375 --> 00:00:40,000 I want you to jump up so you-- 7 00:00:40,083 --> 00:00:42,709 Jump as high as you can, so you and Mike are the same height. 8 00:00:42,792 --> 00:00:44,667 On the count of three. Okay? 9 00:00:44,750 --> 00:00:47,041 One, two, jump! 10 00:00:47,125 --> 00:00:48,583 Cool! All right. 11 00:00:48,667 --> 00:00:52,375 -I blinked, though, 'cause he threw his arms. -(laughter) 12 00:00:52,458 --> 00:00:55,959 I think when I was with him, he was happy. 13 00:00:56,041 --> 00:00:58,041 -Photographer: Michael, you don't understand that. -Yeah! 14 00:00:58,125 --> 00:01:01,166 Kids and animals, they always try to do that. 15 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,834 James: He was at the peak 16 00:01:04,917 --> 00:01:06,709 of his creativity, 17 00:01:06,792 --> 00:01:10,625 and he was at the peak of his success. 18 00:01:10,709 --> 00:01:14,709 And everybody wanted to meet Michael or be with Michael. 19 00:01:14,792 --> 00:01:17,667 He was already larger than life. 20 00:01:17,750 --> 00:01:19,375 And then he likes you. 21 00:01:19,458 --> 00:01:23,583 ♪ ♪ 22 00:01:23,667 --> 00:01:26,750 Wade: He was one of the kindest, 23 00:01:26,834 --> 00:01:29,750 most gentle, loving, 24 00:01:29,834 --> 00:01:33,166 caring people I knew. 25 00:01:35,333 --> 00:01:38,083 He helped me... tremendously. 26 00:01:38,166 --> 00:01:39,333 He helped me with my career. 27 00:01:39,417 --> 00:01:41,083 He helped me with my creativity, 28 00:01:41,166 --> 00:01:43,625 with all of those sorts of things. 29 00:01:46,333 --> 00:01:49,166 And he also sexually abused me. 30 00:01:50,917 --> 00:01:53,166 For seven years. 31 00:01:54,333 --> 00:01:57,667 ♪ ♪ 32 00:02:12,917 --> 00:02:15,000 ♪ ♪ 33 00:02:15,625 --> 00:02:17,458 -(child giggles) -Girl: Want to turn him on? 34 00:02:17,542 --> 00:02:19,875 Woman: He just wants to eat it. Oh! 35 00:02:19,959 --> 00:02:22,041 (indistinct chattering) 36 00:02:24,709 --> 00:02:26,959 I'm Wade Robson. 37 00:02:27,041 --> 00:02:28,583 ♪ ♪ 38 00:02:28,667 --> 00:02:32,583 So, I was born in Brisbane, Australia, 39 00:02:32,667 --> 00:02:37,834 and I am the third of three kids. 40 00:02:39,041 --> 00:02:42,959 My dad, he worked in construction for a while, 41 00:02:43,041 --> 00:02:46,583 and then he got into, like, the fruit business. 42 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:49,875 So, when I was young, he had a couple of fruit shops. 43 00:02:49,959 --> 00:02:51,834 And my mother used to work with him, 44 00:02:51,917 --> 00:02:54,125 with those businesses. 45 00:02:54,208 --> 00:02:57,125 Hi, I'm Joy Robson, mother of Wade Robson. 46 00:02:57,208 --> 00:02:59,417 -(indistinct chatter) - Well, we were a middle-class 47 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:01,625 Australian family. 48 00:03:01,709 --> 00:03:02,834 ♪ ♪ 49 00:03:02,917 --> 00:03:05,000 We lived on three acres. 50 00:03:05,083 --> 00:03:08,333 We had horses and angora goats, 51 00:03:08,417 --> 00:03:11,333 and a dog named Sally. 52 00:03:11,417 --> 00:03:13,875 Where's it supposed to be going? 53 00:03:13,959 --> 00:03:15,333 Boy: In here! 54 00:03:15,417 --> 00:03:17,667 Joy: Shane was quite a bit older. He's nine and a half years 55 00:03:17,750 --> 00:03:20,875 older than Wade, and he was... 56 00:03:20,959 --> 00:03:25,291 already well into elementary school when Wade was born. 57 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,917 It was just a, like a, I think, a three-bedroom, 58 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,625 like, single-story house. 59 00:03:32,834 --> 00:03:34,166 We had a pool. 60 00:03:34,250 --> 00:03:36,291 There was always, like, always family over, 61 00:03:36,375 --> 00:03:38,542 and I had parties there and pool parties. 62 00:03:38,625 --> 00:03:41,333 -(grunts) -(laughter) 63 00:03:41,417 --> 00:03:43,500 Pretty good memories from that place. 64 00:03:43,583 --> 00:03:46,041 (giggling) 65 00:03:46,125 --> 00:03:48,542 Joy: Chantal was very close with him. 66 00:03:48,625 --> 00:03:53,208 Being three years apart, they played together a lot. 67 00:03:53,291 --> 00:03:55,000 Chantal: Wade was always a... 68 00:03:55,083 --> 00:03:57,333 a very sensitive boy. 69 00:03:57,417 --> 00:04:00,375 He wasn't really a guy's guy. He wasn't into, like-- 70 00:04:00,458 --> 00:04:03,291 You know, he played basketball for fun as a little kid, 71 00:04:03,375 --> 00:04:05,542 but if he had a choice of doing anything, 72 00:04:05,625 --> 00:04:07,875 he was gonna read a book or listen to music 73 00:04:07,959 --> 00:04:09,500 or dance, you know, 74 00:04:09,583 --> 00:04:12,709 versus going outside to play football with his friends. 75 00:04:12,792 --> 00:04:14,709 ♪ ♪ 76 00:04:14,792 --> 00:04:16,417 Joy: He was the youngest in the area, 77 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:18,917 so he really had nobody to play with. 78 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,500 So he and I, we were very close. 79 00:04:20,583 --> 00:04:22,875 We spent a lot of time together. 80 00:04:22,959 --> 00:04:25,709 John Landis: One, two, three! Go! 81 00:04:25,792 --> 00:04:28,125 Joy: I remember one day coming home 82 00:04:28,208 --> 00:04:31,417 with the video of The Making of Thriller. 83 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:35,375 Someone had told me that it would be a collector's item. 84 00:04:35,458 --> 00:04:38,792 ♪ ♪ 85 00:04:39,750 --> 00:04:42,083 I really wasn't a fan of his, 86 00:04:42,166 --> 00:04:45,333 but I did like some of his music. 87 00:04:49,083 --> 00:04:51,583 Wade: Once I saw that tape, you know, 88 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,000 everything changed for me. 89 00:04:55,125 --> 00:04:59,792 The music, I couldn't help but move to it. 90 00:04:59,875 --> 00:05:01,875 Kind of set me on fire. 91 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:05,125 You know, just made everything tingle, 92 00:05:05,208 --> 00:05:07,208 and it was so exciting. 93 00:05:10,375 --> 00:05:13,041 I remember just watching the tape 94 00:05:13,125 --> 00:05:14,625 over and over again. 95 00:05:14,709 --> 00:05:17,125 Pausing, rewinding. 96 00:05:17,208 --> 00:05:19,625 I would just try over and over and over again 97 00:05:19,709 --> 00:05:22,625 to really perfect the complexities 98 00:05:22,709 --> 00:05:24,709 of Michael's movement. 99 00:05:24,792 --> 00:05:27,583 ♪ 'Cause this is thriller ♪ 100 00:05:27,667 --> 00:05:29,458 ♪ Thriller night ♪ 101 00:05:29,542 --> 00:05:31,125 ♪ And no one's gonna save you ♪ 102 00:05:31,208 --> 00:05:32,667 ♪ From the beast about to strike ♪ 103 00:05:32,750 --> 00:05:37,333 I slowly but surely started, you know, plastering 104 00:05:37,417 --> 00:05:41,041 my walls with images of Michael, 105 00:05:41,125 --> 00:05:44,709 and it literally became like the wallpaper. 106 00:05:44,792 --> 00:05:46,000 So... 107 00:05:46,083 --> 00:05:52,208 going to sleep, waking up in Michael Jackson land. 108 00:05:52,291 --> 00:05:55,583 ♪ ♪ 109 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,542 Newsman: Jackson's world tour coincides with the release 110 00:06:00,625 --> 00:06:03,583 of his latest album, entitled Bad. 111 00:06:03,667 --> 00:06:05,000 Sales are good. 112 00:06:05,083 --> 00:06:08,500 A half-million copies were sold the day it went on the market. 113 00:06:08,583 --> 00:06:10,750 Newsman 2: Not since Thriller five years ago 114 00:06:10,834 --> 00:06:14,792 has the record industry been so focused on a single album. 115 00:06:16,917 --> 00:06:18,542 Joy: He would've just turned five, 116 00:06:18,625 --> 00:06:22,208 and people kept telling me, you know, he's really good. 117 00:06:22,291 --> 00:06:25,834 You should, you should do something with him. 118 00:06:25,917 --> 00:06:28,959 That week, a friend of mine came to me and said, 119 00:06:29,750 --> 00:06:32,542 "You know Michael Jackson's here on the Bad tour." 120 00:06:32,625 --> 00:06:36,458 I said, yes, actually, I thought about buying tickets. 121 00:06:36,542 --> 00:06:39,083 But I thought, he's so young, I don't think I-- 122 00:06:39,166 --> 00:06:41,750 She said, "You should go." She said, 123 00:06:41,834 --> 00:06:44,208 "There's a dance competition. You should enter him. 124 00:06:44,291 --> 00:06:46,667 First prize is to meet Michael Jackson." 125 00:06:46,750 --> 00:06:48,917 ♪ ♪ 126 00:06:57,333 --> 00:07:01,333 The competition was only like a week before the concert. 127 00:07:01,417 --> 00:07:02,709 And he went into the heat, 128 00:07:02,792 --> 00:07:04,959 and they were held in the Target store. 129 00:07:05,041 --> 00:07:07,291 He had his little hat on, his little Bad outfit. 130 00:07:07,375 --> 00:07:09,667 My hairdresser had made it for him. 131 00:07:09,750 --> 00:07:11,083 Wade: I was actually too young. 132 00:07:11,166 --> 00:07:13,875 It was, like, seven or eight, and up, 133 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:15,917 and I was five at the time. 134 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,083 So, they said, "Well, you know, he can't compete 135 00:07:18,166 --> 00:07:20,583 "because of his age, but, um, 136 00:07:20,667 --> 00:07:24,583 but we'll let him perform as, like, a special guest." 137 00:07:24,667 --> 00:07:28,417 Joy: It's one of those little things that he got on stage and everything changed. 138 00:07:28,500 --> 00:07:31,166 He just wasn't that shy, little boy, and he had got on stage 139 00:07:31,250 --> 00:07:33,417 and brought the place down. 140 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:36,083 Everybody was screaming for him. 141 00:07:36,166 --> 00:07:38,291 ♪ ♪ 142 00:07:40,375 --> 00:07:43,208 And at the end of it, the store manager was the judge, 143 00:07:43,291 --> 00:07:45,750 and he said, "Well, I wanna get out of here alive, 144 00:07:45,834 --> 00:07:48,667 so I'm going to declare Wade Robson the winner." 145 00:07:48,750 --> 00:07:52,000 ♪ ♪ 146 00:07:53,875 --> 00:07:57,125 Michael Jackson's people were there to interview 147 00:07:57,208 --> 00:07:59,208 and asked him, 148 00:07:59,291 --> 00:08:02,375 if he could speak to Michael, what would he say. 149 00:08:02,458 --> 00:08:05,417 I'm gonna ask him if he might come over to dinner. 150 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:06,959 Interviewer: Coming over for dinner. 151 00:08:07,041 --> 00:08:09,125 Why would you want him to come over for dinner? 152 00:08:09,208 --> 00:08:11,125 I want him to... 153 00:08:11,208 --> 00:08:13,792 I want him to show me how he dances. 154 00:08:13,875 --> 00:08:15,667 Oh, well, that's a big deal. 155 00:08:15,750 --> 00:08:18,291 You're gonna see the show, you know that? 156 00:08:18,375 --> 00:08:19,834 You gonna be able to see him dance then? 157 00:08:19,917 --> 00:08:22,291 -Mm-hmm. -You think that's gonna be nice? 158 00:08:22,375 --> 00:08:24,500 Yeah? Why is that gonna be so nice? 159 00:08:24,583 --> 00:08:28,000 -Because I get to see him. -Yeah. 160 00:08:28,083 --> 00:08:32,542 Wade: You know, this complete impossibility, 161 00:08:32,625 --> 00:08:36,834 this being from another world-- 162 00:08:36,917 --> 00:08:39,000 Michael, and supposedly it was gonna happen, 163 00:08:39,083 --> 00:08:41,834 and we were actually gonna meet now. 164 00:08:41,917 --> 00:08:45,917 I was just excited beyond measure. 165 00:08:46,709 --> 00:08:49,250 I remember getting this 166 00:08:49,333 --> 00:08:51,667 glow that sort of started in my heart 167 00:08:51,750 --> 00:08:53,542 and went to all my extremities. 168 00:08:53,625 --> 00:08:55,250 It was an amazing feeling. 169 00:08:55,333 --> 00:08:57,542 When something magical was going to happen, 170 00:08:57,625 --> 00:08:59,542 I would get that feeling. 171 00:09:01,375 --> 00:09:04,625 ♪ ♪ 172 00:09:19,792 --> 00:09:22,625 I'm James Safechuck. 173 00:09:26,875 --> 00:09:30,542 I grew up in a little town called Simi Valley. 174 00:09:30,625 --> 00:09:32,291 (birds chirping) 175 00:09:32,375 --> 00:09:35,333 I was pretty happy and pretty outgoing. 176 00:09:35,417 --> 00:09:38,625 Kind of a performer, I guess. 177 00:09:38,709 --> 00:09:41,875 My father worked at a rubbish company. 178 00:09:41,959 --> 00:09:43,750 So, we had a family rubbish company 179 00:09:43,834 --> 00:09:46,583 that my grandfather started. 180 00:09:46,667 --> 00:09:50,959 My mom, she had a hair styling business, 181 00:09:51,041 --> 00:09:55,250 and, um, I remember being in the beauty salon as a kid. 182 00:09:55,333 --> 00:09:57,625 I'd hang out there while she was working 183 00:09:57,709 --> 00:10:00,041 and just sweep the floors. 184 00:10:00,125 --> 00:10:02,417 My name is Stephanie Safechuck. 185 00:10:02,500 --> 00:10:03,917 I'm Jam-- 186 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,417 I'm Jimmy's mother. 187 00:10:06,500 --> 00:10:09,750 When I married Jimmy's father, 188 00:10:09,834 --> 00:10:13,250 he had two children, it came with the marriage. 189 00:10:13,333 --> 00:10:16,291 At the time, my husband had had a vasectomy, 190 00:10:16,375 --> 00:10:18,750 and I didn't think I could have any children. 191 00:10:18,834 --> 00:10:21,000 ♪ ♪ 192 00:10:21,083 --> 00:10:23,792 About three, four years into the marriage, 193 00:10:23,875 --> 00:10:26,542 I really wanted a baby. 194 00:10:26,625 --> 00:10:31,041 So, my husband had it reversed for me, 195 00:10:31,125 --> 00:10:34,542 which back then, they guaranteed nothing. 196 00:10:35,667 --> 00:10:38,083 I was so fortunate to have a baby. 197 00:10:38,166 --> 00:10:41,542 I just remember having him and being overwhelmed, 198 00:10:41,625 --> 00:10:45,959 just crying over his crib, that he'll always be all right. 199 00:10:46,041 --> 00:10:48,667 He's my love. 200 00:10:50,291 --> 00:10:52,625 James: I have an older brother and older sister. 201 00:10:52,709 --> 00:10:54,166 They are much older. 202 00:10:54,250 --> 00:10:57,250 They left home early also, so... 203 00:10:57,333 --> 00:10:59,667 I was alone. 204 00:11:00,542 --> 00:11:02,583 ♪ ♪ 205 00:11:04,583 --> 00:11:06,834 Stephanie: It was actually a friend of ours, 206 00:11:06,917 --> 00:11:09,291 her daughter was in commercials, 207 00:11:09,375 --> 00:11:13,875 and ran into my husband and Jimmy 208 00:11:13,959 --> 00:11:15,583 in the grocery store and said, 209 00:11:15,667 --> 00:11:17,208 "You ought to get him in commercials. 210 00:11:17,291 --> 00:11:20,625 He is so adorable," and gave my husband 211 00:11:20,709 --> 00:11:23,000 the agent's card. 212 00:11:23,083 --> 00:11:24,333 So, I called the agent, 213 00:11:24,417 --> 00:11:26,625 and when she met him, she said, 214 00:11:26,709 --> 00:11:29,625 "He's money in the bank. I'll take him." 215 00:11:30,542 --> 00:11:33,291 So, he did very well right away. 216 00:11:33,375 --> 00:11:35,250 ♪ ♪ 217 00:11:35,333 --> 00:11:37,417 Jimmy: Michael? 218 00:11:39,583 --> 00:11:41,959 -(knocking) -Mr. Jackson? 219 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,542 James: I met Michael on the set 220 00:11:46,625 --> 00:11:49,375 of the Pepsi commercial. 221 00:11:49,458 --> 00:11:52,083 I don't remember being 222 00:11:52,166 --> 00:11:55,500 a huge fan of his at the time. 223 00:11:55,583 --> 00:11:57,959 I was probably more into, like, 224 00:11:58,041 --> 00:12:01,083 Voltron and Transformers. (chuckles) 225 00:12:01,166 --> 00:12:02,500 ♪ ♪ 226 00:12:02,583 --> 00:12:06,208 This kid wanders around backstage 227 00:12:06,291 --> 00:12:09,000 and he discovers the dressing room, 228 00:12:09,083 --> 00:12:13,208 and he goes in there and he sees the jackets and the hats 229 00:12:13,291 --> 00:12:16,792 and the glasses and all that, and I'm trying it on. 230 00:12:17,959 --> 00:12:21,041 And then, Michael walks in and... 231 00:12:21,125 --> 00:12:22,625 and he says... 232 00:12:24,291 --> 00:12:26,959 -Michael: Looking for me? -("Bad" playing) 233 00:12:27,959 --> 00:12:29,250 -(laughs) -They were trying to get 234 00:12:29,333 --> 00:12:31,792 my reaction on camera the first time I saw him. 235 00:12:31,875 --> 00:12:35,333 So, first time I see him is actually the shot 236 00:12:35,417 --> 00:12:36,959 that they use in the commercial. 237 00:12:37,041 --> 00:12:39,542 ♪ ♪ 238 00:12:40,625 --> 00:12:44,959 He invited me into his, um, trailer. 239 00:12:47,041 --> 00:12:48,750 Stephanie: This was exciting for Jimmy, 240 00:12:48,834 --> 00:12:52,125 and I didn't want to be in his way. 241 00:12:52,208 --> 00:12:54,667 I wanted Jimmy to have fun and have a good day, 242 00:12:54,750 --> 00:12:57,083 so I let Jimmy go in his trailer, 243 00:12:57,166 --> 00:12:59,917 Michael's trailer, with Michael's hairstylist 244 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,834 and makeup artist, Karen. 245 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,959 And I stayed outside. What she said to me was, 246 00:13:06,041 --> 00:13:09,458 "He's like a nine-year-old little boy." 247 00:13:09,542 --> 00:13:11,166 So, that made me feel comfortable. 248 00:13:13,750 --> 00:13:16,959 James: How do you explain Michael Jackson? (laughs) 249 00:13:17,041 --> 00:13:19,625 He's larger than life. 250 00:13:19,709 --> 00:13:22,625 There's no stars like that now, 251 00:13:22,709 --> 00:13:26,041 that kind of megastar. 252 00:13:26,125 --> 00:13:30,041 And everybody wanted to meet Michael or be with Michael. 253 00:13:31,166 --> 00:13:33,834 He was quiet, and he laughed a lot at me, 254 00:13:33,917 --> 00:13:35,709 and he was giggly. 255 00:13:35,792 --> 00:13:39,208 The stand-in, we became kind of buddies, and I looked at him and I said, 256 00:13:39,291 --> 00:13:42,250 "Oh, we're the luckiest boys in the world." 257 00:13:44,208 --> 00:13:47,583 ♪ ♪ 258 00:13:56,834 --> 00:14:00,792 Wade: He was performing two nights in Brisbane. 259 00:14:02,959 --> 00:14:07,166 We went to the first night of the concert just to watch, 260 00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:08,959 and that was the first time 261 00:14:09,041 --> 00:14:13,041 I'd seen him perform live. 262 00:14:13,125 --> 00:14:17,166 ♪ ♪ 263 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:22,166 I remember my mind just being blown. 264 00:14:22,250 --> 00:14:26,834 Experiencing his energy magnified... 265 00:14:26,917 --> 00:14:29,041 through all those thousands of people, 266 00:14:29,125 --> 00:14:32,250 and through all those speakers, you know, and that energy 267 00:14:32,333 --> 00:14:35,542 just kind of shaking my whole body. 268 00:14:35,625 --> 00:14:38,667 ♪ ♪ 269 00:14:38,750 --> 00:14:40,792 Joy: We went to the concert the Friday night, 270 00:14:40,875 --> 00:14:43,375 and we had a meet and greet with Michael. 271 00:14:43,458 --> 00:14:46,667 ♪ ♪ 272 00:14:51,917 --> 00:14:54,000 Wade: Here he was now... 273 00:14:55,917 --> 00:14:58,250 as, you know, 274 00:14:58,333 --> 00:15:01,959 a seemingly real human being. 275 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,125 He kept commenting on my Bad outfit, 276 00:15:07,208 --> 00:15:09,041 how great he thought it was. 277 00:15:09,125 --> 00:15:12,917 Joy: And Michael said, "Were you at the concert tonight?" 278 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,458 And we said yes. He said, "I wish I'd known. I would've put him on stage with me." 279 00:15:17,542 --> 00:15:19,250 The stage mother in me kicked in. 280 00:15:19,333 --> 00:15:21,250 I said, "We'll be there tomorrow night," 281 00:15:21,333 --> 00:15:24,834 'cause they had given us tickets as well as the winner. 282 00:15:24,917 --> 00:15:26,917 So, he said, "I'll see what I can do." 283 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,000 ♪ ♪ 284 00:15:29,834 --> 00:15:32,375 Wade won a dancing competition this week on Thursday night 285 00:15:32,458 --> 00:15:34,417 at Indooroopilly. He won the dancing competition. 286 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:36,917 These are some of the photos of him in action. 287 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,417 Wade: The next day, I was on... 288 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:42,750 a TV show, like a morning TV show. 289 00:15:42,834 --> 00:15:44,750 Woman: Wade, come on over, very quickly, 290 00:15:44,834 --> 00:15:46,208 because we're gonna tell everyone. 291 00:15:46,291 --> 00:15:48,834 This is a secret, okay? This is a bit of a secret. 292 00:15:48,917 --> 00:15:51,583 Now tonight, what's gonna happen tonight? 293 00:15:51,667 --> 00:15:52,917 Um... 294 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,083 When I saw him, Michael Jackson 295 00:15:55,166 --> 00:15:58,291 told me to go on stage with him and dance. 296 00:15:58,375 --> 00:16:00,625 Woman: Well, best of luck. I hope you do dance with him tonight. 297 00:16:00,709 --> 00:16:02,166 So, if you're going to Michael Jackson tonight, 298 00:16:02,250 --> 00:16:04,083 -keep an eye out for Wade, okay? -Yeah. 299 00:16:04,166 --> 00:16:06,709 ♪ ♪ 300 00:16:08,625 --> 00:16:11,458 (crowd cheering) 301 00:16:11,542 --> 00:16:14,041 ("Bad" playing) 302 00:16:15,291 --> 00:16:16,625 Wade: Music is still blaring, 303 00:16:16,709 --> 00:16:19,041 and all the lights are going, this intensity. 304 00:16:19,125 --> 00:16:21,583 It was a wild sensation. 305 00:16:21,667 --> 00:16:22,875 ♪ ♪ 306 00:16:22,959 --> 00:16:25,417 Joy: Then all of a sudden, this huge black man 307 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:27,458 came out of nowhere with a big top hat, 308 00:16:27,542 --> 00:16:31,458 and took Wade out of Dennis's arms, 309 00:16:31,542 --> 00:16:34,667 and told us to wait there, and took him backstage. 310 00:16:34,750 --> 00:16:38,000 You know, being-- The curtains being pulled back, 311 00:16:38,083 --> 00:16:42,542 right, of kind of just the whole world behind the scenes-- his world. 312 00:16:42,625 --> 00:16:44,875 ♪ ♪ 313 00:16:44,959 --> 00:16:48,792 Michael came up to me 314 00:16:48,875 --> 00:16:51,375 and grabbed my hand, 315 00:16:51,458 --> 00:16:53,834 and just sort of gave me a signal like, 316 00:16:53,917 --> 00:16:57,166 you know, come on, like, let's do it. 317 00:16:57,250 --> 00:17:01,542 I kind of look out at this sea of people, 318 00:17:01,625 --> 00:17:04,166 -and then something clicked. -(snaps fingers) 319 00:17:04,250 --> 00:17:07,041 And I grabbed my hat, you know... 320 00:17:07,125 --> 00:17:09,542 (blows)... and threw it off, 321 00:17:09,625 --> 00:17:12,208 and just started going, started dancing. 322 00:17:12,291 --> 00:17:13,959 ♪ ♪ 323 00:17:14,041 --> 00:17:16,166 Like, I was him, almost, 324 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:17,667 for a moment. I mean, you know, 325 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:20,625 the center of his stage with his audience. 326 00:17:20,709 --> 00:17:22,667 (crowd cheering) 327 00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:24,125 ♪ Be bad! ♪ 328 00:17:24,208 --> 00:17:27,458 ♪ Yeah! Ow! I'm bad! ♪ 329 00:17:27,542 --> 00:17:30,250 ♪ Really, really bad! ♪ 330 00:17:30,333 --> 00:17:32,959 ♪ Bad, bad, really, really bad ♪ 331 00:17:33,041 --> 00:17:35,208 Wade: You got all these other kids, 332 00:17:35,291 --> 00:17:37,500 and Stevie Wonder was on stage as well. 333 00:17:37,583 --> 00:17:40,375 He was singing with Michael. 334 00:17:40,458 --> 00:17:42,458 ♪ Really, really bad ♪ 335 00:17:42,542 --> 00:17:45,917 ♪ Woo! I'm bad! You know! ♪ 336 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,709 We love you! 337 00:17:47,792 --> 00:17:50,291 Joy: And then, it was time for Michael to leave. 338 00:17:50,375 --> 00:17:52,667 It was the end of the concert, so he called the kids 339 00:17:52,750 --> 00:17:55,750 to follow him off stage. 340 00:17:55,834 --> 00:17:57,709 But Wade was so into what he was doing, 341 00:17:57,792 --> 00:18:00,542 he didn't see that, and he's still dancing. 342 00:18:00,625 --> 00:18:02,333 So, Michael's sort of walked away 343 00:18:02,417 --> 00:18:03,834 and realized Wade wasn't coming, 344 00:18:03,917 --> 00:18:06,166 and he turned back and he laughed. 345 00:18:07,208 --> 00:18:09,500 Michael just clapped and walked off, 346 00:18:09,583 --> 00:18:12,208 and Wade suddenly realized everybody was leaving, 347 00:18:12,291 --> 00:18:15,500 so he followed them out. It was very cute. 348 00:18:15,583 --> 00:18:19,291 ♪ Bad, bad, really, really bad ♪ 349 00:18:20,083 --> 00:18:21,583 ♪ Bad, bad ♪ 350 00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:25,834 Each moment of that actual kind of eye connection... 351 00:18:25,917 --> 00:18:28,125 (sighs) was, uh... 352 00:18:28,208 --> 00:18:30,917 like a bit of a shock to the system. 353 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,250 That performance, that meet and greet, 354 00:18:34,333 --> 00:18:37,000 were such dream-like... 355 00:18:37,083 --> 00:18:40,166 experiences, and kind of, um, 356 00:18:43,542 --> 00:18:45,834 sensory overload, 357 00:18:45,917 --> 00:18:47,583 an emotional overload. 358 00:18:47,667 --> 00:18:51,041 ♪ ♪ 359 00:18:51,125 --> 00:18:53,041 ♪ Michael Jackson's bad! ♪ 360 00:18:53,125 --> 00:18:54,458 (cheering) 361 00:18:54,542 --> 00:18:57,792 Shane: I remember them coming home after the concert, 362 00:18:57,875 --> 00:19:01,125 and Dad come in my bedroom, and he was all excited 363 00:19:01,208 --> 00:19:03,375 'cause Wade had danced with Michael Jackson, 364 00:19:03,458 --> 00:19:06,709 and I remember Dad, kind of, getting teary-eyed telling us... 365 00:19:06,792 --> 00:19:08,583 telling the story about it, you know, 366 00:19:08,667 --> 00:19:10,417 dancing with Michael Jackson. 367 00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:12,750 ♪ ♪ 368 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:19,000 Joy: The next morning, I wanted to bring in a thank-you letter 369 00:19:19,083 --> 00:19:21,000 for Michael 'cause this was his last concert. 370 00:19:21,083 --> 00:19:22,917 He was leaving Australia. 371 00:19:25,583 --> 00:19:28,959 There were a lot of fans around, and they all recognized Wade. 372 00:19:29,041 --> 00:19:30,709 So, he was a little celebrity. 373 00:19:30,792 --> 00:19:34,542 They were all taking photos with him and talking to him. 374 00:19:34,625 --> 00:19:36,917 Michael had heard that we were in the lobby, 375 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,333 and he wanted us to come up to his room. 376 00:19:39,417 --> 00:19:43,000 And I can remember Wade's face just lighting up. 377 00:19:43,083 --> 00:19:45,000 "I'm gonna meet a real superstar." 378 00:19:45,083 --> 00:19:46,625 He was so excited. 379 00:19:46,709 --> 00:19:51,000 I mean, this was-- Who gets to meet their hero, their superhero? 380 00:19:51,083 --> 00:19:54,417 This is this little boy getting to do it twice now. 381 00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:57,125 We end up spending about two hours with him 382 00:19:57,208 --> 00:19:58,792 in his hotel suite. 383 00:19:58,875 --> 00:20:00,166 ♪ ♪ 384 00:20:00,250 --> 00:20:02,709 He was in some sort of editing process 385 00:20:02,792 --> 00:20:05,875 for his Moonwalker film. 386 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:09,875 It's like, there he was on the TV screen, 387 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,375 as I was used to seeing him, 388 00:20:12,458 --> 00:20:14,667 and then there he was, 389 00:20:14,750 --> 00:20:16,959 sitting right next to me on the bed. 390 00:20:17,041 --> 00:20:19,625 Michael's hand was rubbing up and down 391 00:20:19,709 --> 00:20:23,417 on the sheets right beside my elbow as he was talking to us. 392 00:20:23,500 --> 00:20:25,375 And I can remember thinking, 393 00:20:25,458 --> 00:20:29,166 "Oh my God. I'm on a bed with Michael Jackson." 394 00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:32,917 I can remember thinking that no one's ever gonna believe this. 395 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,458 It was pretty overwhelming. 396 00:20:34,542 --> 00:20:37,041 We all had an overwhelming weekend, 397 00:20:37,125 --> 00:20:38,500 that is for sure. 398 00:20:38,583 --> 00:20:41,333 ♪ ♪ 399 00:20:41,417 --> 00:20:43,375 Wade: This little Australian boy, 400 00:20:43,458 --> 00:20:46,041 who had had this other-worldly, 401 00:20:46,125 --> 00:20:48,709 impossible experience 402 00:20:48,792 --> 00:20:51,041 of having this meeting with 403 00:20:51,125 --> 00:20:53,875 my idol and my mentor and my god. 404 00:20:53,959 --> 00:20:55,709 Like I'd been... 405 00:20:55,792 --> 00:20:59,208 anointed, you know, in some kind of way. 406 00:20:59,291 --> 00:21:01,500 ♪ ♪ 407 00:21:06,333 --> 00:21:08,375 ♪ ♪ 408 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,417 Stephanie: One day, the phone rang, I picked it up. 409 00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:22,041 "Hi, this is Michael. 410 00:21:22,125 --> 00:21:25,291 "I'm calling from Australia. I was-- 411 00:21:25,375 --> 00:21:27,500 I saw Jimmy's commercial." 412 00:21:27,583 --> 00:21:29,417 I thought, how touching. 413 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:31,500 He doesn't think it's his commercial. 414 00:21:31,583 --> 00:21:33,291 He thinks it's Jimmy's. 415 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:36,000 So, I put Jimmy on the phone, 416 00:21:36,083 --> 00:21:39,792 and I could hear Jimmy say, 417 00:21:39,875 --> 00:21:42,709 "People tell me at school that you're weird." 418 00:21:42,792 --> 00:21:45,959 Michael said, "Don't listen to what anybody says. 419 00:21:46,041 --> 00:21:48,959 You know me, You know I'm not weird," 420 00:21:49,041 --> 00:21:52,041 and that started the relationship. 421 00:21:52,125 --> 00:21:54,291 So, Michael's still in Australia, and asked 422 00:21:54,375 --> 00:21:58,125 if he could send a crew to our house to film Jimmy. 423 00:21:58,208 --> 00:22:00,834 So, a crew came. 424 00:22:00,917 --> 00:22:03,709 Jimmy didn't have any posters of Michael, 425 00:22:03,792 --> 00:22:06,458 so they put up posters of Michael 426 00:22:06,542 --> 00:22:09,792 all through Jimmy's bedroom, so that when they filmed it, 427 00:22:09,875 --> 00:22:12,291 you know, it was more appealing. 428 00:22:12,375 --> 00:22:15,959 It was exciting for all us, for the whole family. 429 00:22:16,041 --> 00:22:18,375 And I was thrilled! 430 00:22:18,458 --> 00:22:20,542 Like, wow! 431 00:22:20,625 --> 00:22:23,083 Because it's, um... 432 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:25,750 It's like... 433 00:22:25,834 --> 00:22:28,333 It's hard to believe that I can see Michael Jackson 434 00:22:28,417 --> 00:22:31,709 when people just dream about him. 435 00:22:32,667 --> 00:22:35,125 And that stuff, it's really neat. 436 00:22:35,208 --> 00:22:38,041 I sat on the bed and put all this memorabilia there, 437 00:22:38,125 --> 00:22:40,083 and they just interviewed me, 438 00:22:40,166 --> 00:22:43,875 and then I did a little dance performance and they filmed that. 439 00:22:43,959 --> 00:22:45,667 ♪ You've been hit by ♪ 440 00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:48,875 ♪ You've been hit by a smooth criminal ♪ 441 00:22:48,959 --> 00:22:51,208 ♪ ♪ 442 00:22:52,542 --> 00:22:53,583 ♪ Ow! ♪ 443 00:22:55,083 --> 00:22:57,709 Now, that I look... Now that I look back on it, 444 00:22:57,792 --> 00:23:02,041 it's almost like an audition for him 445 00:23:02,125 --> 00:23:04,542 when he sends his film crew out. 446 00:23:04,625 --> 00:23:06,542 ♪ A crescendo, Annie ♪ 447 00:23:06,625 --> 00:23:08,083 ♪ He came into your apartment ♪ 448 00:23:08,166 --> 00:23:10,583 ♪ Left the blood stains on the carpet ♪ 449 00:23:10,667 --> 00:23:13,583 ♪ And then you ran into the bedroom ♪ 450 00:23:13,667 --> 00:23:15,542 He didn't explain it. 451 00:23:15,625 --> 00:23:18,208 I just figured he's far away. 452 00:23:18,291 --> 00:23:21,375 This is part of how he can be with people, 453 00:23:21,458 --> 00:23:25,208 and he made it clear that he was very lonely. 454 00:23:25,291 --> 00:23:27,458 He didn't have any friends. 455 00:23:27,542 --> 00:23:29,959 And then, his... 456 00:23:30,750 --> 00:23:34,375 secretary or somebody called and... 457 00:23:34,458 --> 00:23:36,750 asked if we would 458 00:23:36,834 --> 00:23:39,917 like to go to dinner at the Hayvenhurst house. 459 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,208 ♪ ♪ 460 00:23:54,291 --> 00:23:57,417 Going to Hayvenhurst, it felt... 461 00:23:57,500 --> 00:23:59,792 it felt magical, I guess. 462 00:23:59,875 --> 00:24:01,792 The house is beautiful. 463 00:24:01,875 --> 00:24:04,583 It had the recording studio, so we went in there, 464 00:24:04,667 --> 00:24:08,458 and I think we saw his brothers, said hi. 465 00:24:09,208 --> 00:24:12,458 We had dinner and watched 466 00:24:12,542 --> 00:24:14,709 Batteries Not Included. 467 00:24:14,792 --> 00:24:17,208 He gets movies before they come out, 468 00:24:17,291 --> 00:24:19,583 so he had a little movie theater there. 469 00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:21,750 ♪ ♪ 470 00:24:21,834 --> 00:24:25,959 I remember seeing his dance floor for the first time. 471 00:24:26,041 --> 00:24:29,959 Kind of a magical thing to see Michael at the dance floor, 472 00:24:30,041 --> 00:24:32,083 like, his private dance floor. 473 00:24:32,166 --> 00:24:34,625 ♪ ♪ 474 00:24:34,709 --> 00:24:36,625 Stephanie: We were so excited. 475 00:24:36,709 --> 00:24:39,000 This was big for us. 476 00:24:39,083 --> 00:24:41,083 Nobody can befriend him. 477 00:24:41,166 --> 00:24:42,834 He has to befriend people. 478 00:24:42,917 --> 00:24:44,208 He's unapproachable. 479 00:24:44,291 --> 00:24:48,458 So, for him to wanna be our friend 480 00:24:48,542 --> 00:24:50,500 was, "Oh my God! 481 00:24:50,583 --> 00:24:53,458 How lucky are we?" 482 00:24:53,542 --> 00:24:55,667 ♪ ♪ 483 00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:59,667 James: Mom and Dad, I think they were in awe. 484 00:24:59,750 --> 00:25:01,834 And you're just starstruck. 485 00:25:01,917 --> 00:25:04,083 You know, it's, um... 486 00:25:06,375 --> 00:25:08,625 It's like... (chuckles) 487 00:25:09,542 --> 00:25:12,166 And then at the same time, 488 00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:15,458 he's becoming a real person. 489 00:25:15,542 --> 00:25:19,250 He's not this sort of, like, two-dimensional icon. 490 00:25:19,959 --> 00:25:22,458 He gives you focused attention, 491 00:25:22,542 --> 00:25:24,208 and I think at that age, 492 00:25:24,291 --> 00:25:27,125 you want to be important, 493 00:25:27,208 --> 00:25:31,709 and you want to be noticed and loved. 494 00:25:31,792 --> 00:25:34,917 So, it's a powerful, um, 495 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,834 attraction. 496 00:25:36,917 --> 00:25:41,041 ♪ ♪ 497 00:25:41,125 --> 00:25:43,125 We went into the closet and we're looking at his stuff 498 00:25:43,208 --> 00:25:46,917 and he told me I can pick out a jacket. 499 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,667 I could have that, that would be mine. 500 00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:52,792 I picked the Thriller jacket. 501 00:25:52,875 --> 00:25:56,291 Of course. Go big. 502 00:25:56,375 --> 00:26:01,083 And I took it home. I wore it to the grocery store. 503 00:26:01,166 --> 00:26:05,250 As I was leaving, he gave me an envelope full of cash, 504 00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:07,041 several hundred dollars. 505 00:26:07,125 --> 00:26:10,542 Which, at the time, was a lot. It's still a lot. 506 00:26:10,625 --> 00:26:12,667 ♪ ♪ 507 00:26:16,125 --> 00:26:20,792 Stephanie: He had our phone number, and he called the next day. 508 00:26:20,875 --> 00:26:23,417 And he was gonna be by himself. 509 00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:28,417 And I couldn't believe that, how can this man be by himself? 510 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:32,291 And so, my parents offered to go pick him up. 511 00:26:36,917 --> 00:26:40,291 We got in the car, and we drove to the Hayvenhurst house. 512 00:26:40,375 --> 00:26:42,834 And there's always, like, reporters and fans, 513 00:26:42,917 --> 00:26:45,500 so we had to sneak him out. 514 00:26:45,583 --> 00:26:48,417 Michael was ducked with me in the back. 515 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:50,625 Some people gave chase and we had to, 516 00:26:50,709 --> 00:26:52,583 like, lose them and... 517 00:26:52,667 --> 00:26:55,959 So, I think my father was excited to, like, 518 00:26:56,041 --> 00:26:58,667 "lose the reporters." 519 00:26:58,750 --> 00:27:01,792 He had to drive fast or something. 520 00:27:01,875 --> 00:27:04,000 ♪ ♪ 521 00:27:04,083 --> 00:27:05,583 Stephanie: And he came to our house, 522 00:27:05,667 --> 00:27:08,041 and went through Jimmy's closets, 523 00:27:08,125 --> 00:27:09,458 went through everything, 524 00:27:09,542 --> 00:27:12,125 acted like a little boy, giggling. 525 00:27:12,208 --> 00:27:14,542 You watch movies, and you eat popcorn. 526 00:27:14,625 --> 00:27:16,875 He loved popcorn. 527 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,542 Michael would come to our house a lot. 528 00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:24,250 Michael and I would take 529 00:27:24,333 --> 00:27:26,667 walks around my neighborhood. 530 00:27:27,375 --> 00:27:29,333 Just talking 531 00:27:29,417 --> 00:27:31,125 and walking and... 532 00:27:31,208 --> 00:27:34,000 It would be at night time, of course, 533 00:27:34,083 --> 00:27:35,792 so he could sort of hide. 534 00:27:35,875 --> 00:27:37,458 As soon as somebody noticed him, 535 00:27:37,542 --> 00:27:40,667 then the newspapers would be there and... 536 00:27:42,667 --> 00:27:45,959 I think I went to Hayvenhurst a few times. 537 00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:48,542 The more I would visit, the more, sort of, alone time 538 00:27:48,625 --> 00:27:50,667 you'd get with him. 539 00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:55,166 So, I brought him some toys, and he gave me some gifts. 540 00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:57,291 ♪ ♪ 541 00:27:58,750 --> 00:28:02,625 It's more like hanging out with a friend 542 00:28:02,709 --> 00:28:04,750 that's more your age. 543 00:28:05,583 --> 00:28:08,542 So, it feels natural. 544 00:28:08,625 --> 00:28:11,083 ♪ ♪ 545 00:28:11,166 --> 00:28:13,667 Stephanie: I came to feel like 546 00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:15,917 he was one of my sons 547 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,458 by how he behaved. 548 00:28:17,542 --> 00:28:19,959 I loved him. 549 00:28:20,041 --> 00:28:22,834 He was a son I started to take care for. 550 00:28:22,917 --> 00:28:25,750 He would spend the night. I'd wash his clothes. 551 00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:29,750 At the time, when I was thinking about 552 00:28:29,834 --> 00:28:32,041 should we get Jimmy in commercials, 553 00:28:32,125 --> 00:28:35,208 I prayed to the Lord that 554 00:28:35,291 --> 00:28:38,208 if this is good for Jimmy, 555 00:28:38,291 --> 00:28:41,458 open the doors for him and let this happen. 556 00:28:41,542 --> 00:28:45,542 And if it's not, don't let it happen. 557 00:28:45,625 --> 00:28:48,542 Well, of course, the doors opened so quickly. 558 00:28:48,625 --> 00:28:51,083 And then, when Michael would come to our house, 559 00:28:51,166 --> 00:28:54,542 I had told this story to Michael about how I prayed 560 00:28:54,625 --> 00:28:56,166 about this before it happened. 561 00:28:56,250 --> 00:28:58,709 Well, Michael tells me, 562 00:28:58,792 --> 00:29:00,500 "I prayed, too. 563 00:29:00,583 --> 00:29:03,458 "I prayed that I could have a friend. 564 00:29:03,542 --> 00:29:04,834 And then I met Jimmy." 565 00:29:04,917 --> 00:29:06,500 Well, to me, 566 00:29:06,583 --> 00:29:09,667 the two prayers came together, 567 00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:13,542 and this was a friendship that was meant to be. 568 00:29:13,625 --> 00:29:15,959 (jet engine whining) 569 00:29:16,041 --> 00:29:19,667 ♪ ♪ 570 00:29:28,583 --> 00:29:30,709 James: I went to Hawaii with Michael 571 00:29:30,792 --> 00:29:33,625 for the Pepsi convention. 572 00:29:35,125 --> 00:29:38,041 The trip felt like an adventure. 573 00:29:38,125 --> 00:29:40,750 Rented out an amusement park for the night, 574 00:29:40,834 --> 00:29:43,125 and everybody went there and played. 575 00:29:43,208 --> 00:29:44,709 We were treated very nicely there. 576 00:29:44,792 --> 00:29:47,041 We went on a helicopter ride, 577 00:29:47,125 --> 00:29:48,500 which was nice. 578 00:29:49,834 --> 00:29:51,458 James: And I remember there were dolphins, 579 00:29:51,542 --> 00:29:53,542 and you could just go see them. 580 00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:56,375 I mean, we're from a small town, 581 00:29:57,333 --> 00:30:00,291 so this is bigger than, 582 00:30:00,375 --> 00:30:04,417 I think, anybody's expectations. 583 00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:06,250 ♪ ♪ 584 00:30:07,917 --> 00:30:10,834 Stephanie: I wanted them to have fun, and I wanted my son 585 00:30:10,917 --> 00:30:12,959 to be happy and have a good time. 586 00:30:13,041 --> 00:30:17,542 So, I stayed my distance there in Hawaii during the day. 587 00:30:18,917 --> 00:30:21,125 James: The hotel was beautiful, of course. 588 00:30:21,208 --> 00:30:25,000 And I remember really wanting to stay in the room with him, and... 589 00:30:25,083 --> 00:30:28,333 my mom wouldn't allow it at the time. 590 00:30:28,417 --> 00:30:31,125 I didn't think it was appropriate 591 00:30:31,208 --> 00:30:33,625 for my son to go sleep with him. 592 00:30:33,709 --> 00:30:36,500 I knew he was a kind man, and he was doing everything 593 00:30:36,583 --> 00:30:39,959 to make our trip there as good as it could be, 594 00:30:40,041 --> 00:30:43,834 but, you know, that-- it didn't fit-- you don't, um... 595 00:30:43,917 --> 00:30:46,291 It didn't feel right. You don't... 596 00:30:46,375 --> 00:30:47,875 go sleep with, 597 00:30:47,959 --> 00:30:50,500 you know, somebody else that you don't really know. 598 00:30:50,583 --> 00:30:52,792 Jimmy was, "Please, Mom, please!" You know, 599 00:30:52,875 --> 00:30:55,166 'cause he loved Michael. 600 00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:57,959 But, no, I wouldn't let him. 601 00:30:58,041 --> 00:30:59,959 But made sure I had my meals with them 602 00:31:00,041 --> 00:31:02,291 and that Jimmy slept with me. 603 00:31:03,834 --> 00:31:07,834 And that's how it was the first trip. 604 00:31:07,917 --> 00:31:10,083 ♪ ♪ 605 00:31:12,083 --> 00:31:15,500 James: I remember the plane being quite empty. 606 00:31:15,583 --> 00:31:17,917 And I did this mock interview with him. 607 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000 He said I could ask him anything I wanted. 608 00:31:20,083 --> 00:31:23,709 Michael: We're in the air. We're on our way home from Hawaii. 609 00:31:23,792 --> 00:31:27,375 Thousands of feet in the air on this DC-10. 610 00:31:27,458 --> 00:31:30,333 I've had a wonderful time with Jimmy. 611 00:31:30,417 --> 00:31:32,000 Jimmy: Are you taping? 612 00:31:32,083 --> 00:31:34,417 -Michael: Sure. -Jimmy: Uh... 613 00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:35,875 Michael: You can ask anything. 614 00:31:35,959 --> 00:31:38,166 I was just playing reporter. 615 00:31:39,166 --> 00:31:41,500 And he never gave interviews, 616 00:31:41,583 --> 00:31:45,041 so it was kind of like, sure, you can interview me, 617 00:31:45,125 --> 00:31:46,583 but nobody else got interviews, 618 00:31:46,667 --> 00:31:48,792 so it was also a big deal. 619 00:31:48,875 --> 00:31:50,500 Jimmy: How did you like Hawaii? 620 00:31:50,583 --> 00:31:52,542 What was your, like, best thing? 621 00:31:52,625 --> 00:31:54,875 -Michael: My best thing about Hawaii? -Jimmy: Yeah. 622 00:31:54,959 --> 00:31:56,333 Michael: Being with you. 623 00:31:56,417 --> 00:31:58,792 Jimmy: How do you feel about, um, 624 00:31:58,875 --> 00:32:01,542 performing and stuff, do you like it? 625 00:32:01,625 --> 00:32:02,917 Michael: I love performing. 626 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,583 It is the greatest thing in the world because, um... 627 00:32:06,667 --> 00:32:09,125 I feel at home on stage. I could live on stage. 628 00:32:09,208 --> 00:32:11,208 I'm the most happiest when I'm on stage, 629 00:32:11,291 --> 00:32:14,542 and when I'm with Jimmy Safechuck. 630 00:32:14,625 --> 00:32:17,417 But the best commercial of all the Pepsi commercials 631 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:19,625 is the one that you and I did. 632 00:32:19,709 --> 00:32:23,208 And I'm not just saying that, that's the best one. 633 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:25,709 'Cause it has heart. 634 00:32:25,792 --> 00:32:28,917 Every time I see it, it makes me smile. 635 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,667 And I hope to be you all's friends for a long-- forever, 636 00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:34,417 for a long time. 637 00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:37,667 Good-bye, signing off! Bye. 638 00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:40,667 James: And it's... 639 00:32:42,375 --> 00:32:44,709 hard to listen to. 640 00:32:46,917 --> 00:32:48,709 You can hear, like, 641 00:32:48,792 --> 00:32:51,125 the infatuation, 642 00:32:51,208 --> 00:32:52,750 and, and... 643 00:32:53,542 --> 00:32:55,792 how much I was attracted to him, 644 00:32:55,875 --> 00:32:57,917 and then also, his... 645 00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:03,125 like, reeling... 646 00:33:03,208 --> 00:33:05,667 his attraction to you, for like... 647 00:33:08,709 --> 00:33:11,125 making you feel special. 648 00:33:11,208 --> 00:33:14,417 ♪ ♪ 649 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:19,125 (answering machine beeps) 650 00:33:19,208 --> 00:33:22,375 Michael: It's Michael. I'm calling from London. 651 00:33:22,458 --> 00:33:24,166 I'm calling because 652 00:33:24,250 --> 00:33:27,667 I love you all, and I miss you very, very much. 653 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:30,917 I feel like you belong to me as well. 654 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,250 Bye. I love you all. Bye. 655 00:33:34,875 --> 00:33:36,625 (line clicks) 656 00:33:36,709 --> 00:33:39,667 Stephanie: A lot of our conversations were on the telephone. 657 00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:44,542 My son would be on the phone, hours with Michael, hours. 658 00:33:44,625 --> 00:33:47,000 And he talked to me. He would call just to talk 659 00:33:47,083 --> 00:33:49,500 to me during the day, and... 660 00:33:49,583 --> 00:33:51,166 that wa-- long conversations. 661 00:33:51,250 --> 00:33:53,667 So, that's how he got to know people, I think. 662 00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:55,458 Michael (over phone): You knew my voice right away? 663 00:33:55,542 --> 00:33:58,375 Jimmy (over phone): Yeah, I jumped up, and I ran to the phone. 664 00:33:58,458 --> 00:34:02,542 -Michael: You knew my voice right off? -Jimmy: Uh-huh. 665 00:34:02,625 --> 00:34:06,458 James: We were talking on the phone pretty regularly, 666 00:34:06,542 --> 00:34:09,333 and I was dancing and taking dance seriously, 667 00:34:09,417 --> 00:34:11,250 and it was like... 668 00:34:11,333 --> 00:34:14,083 "Come join me on tour." 669 00:34:14,166 --> 00:34:15,625 And he said, 670 00:34:15,709 --> 00:34:18,208 "You can choose wherever you wanna come, 671 00:34:18,291 --> 00:34:20,166 and stay as long as you wanna come." 672 00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:21,917 ♪ ♪ 673 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,208 James: So, as soon as school ended, 674 00:34:24,291 --> 00:34:27,375 I joined the tour for the summer. 675 00:34:27,458 --> 00:34:29,333 ♪ ♪ 676 00:34:41,458 --> 00:34:43,417 My mother went, 677 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:46,583 and my father would join whenever he could, 678 00:34:46,667 --> 00:34:49,208 but he wasn't there the whole time. 679 00:34:49,291 --> 00:34:50,750 He flies you first class. 680 00:34:50,834 --> 00:34:53,333 You have a limo waiting for you at the airport. 681 00:34:53,417 --> 00:34:56,709 Amazing. You know, it's life... 682 00:34:56,792 --> 00:34:58,375 of the rich and famous. 683 00:34:58,458 --> 00:35:01,125 ("Bad" playing) 684 00:35:02,375 --> 00:35:05,375 James: I came on at the end of the song "Bad." 685 00:35:05,959 --> 00:35:08,125 ♪ Really, really bad ♪ 686 00:35:08,208 --> 00:35:10,250 And they would pick kids out 687 00:35:10,333 --> 00:35:11,667 of the crowd during the show, 688 00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:15,375 and then I'd lead, like, 10 or 12 kids out. 689 00:35:15,458 --> 00:35:17,667 (crowd cheering) 690 00:35:21,125 --> 00:35:25,166 I'd have a Bad outfit on that was just like his... 691 00:35:26,834 --> 00:35:29,000 and so, I would dance. 692 00:35:29,083 --> 00:35:32,542 We'd, like, side-moonwalked and did a few moves together. 693 00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:36,625 ♪ Bad, bad, really really bad ♪ 694 00:35:36,709 --> 00:35:38,000 I love you! 695 00:35:38,083 --> 00:35:39,375 ♪ Bad, bad ♪ 696 00:35:39,458 --> 00:35:41,417 ♪ Really, really bad ♪ 697 00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:45,291 It's hard to explain to people what tour is like. 698 00:35:45,375 --> 00:35:47,125 It's pretty crazy. 699 00:35:47,208 --> 00:35:48,917 (crowd screaming) 700 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,417 (excited chattering) 701 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,792 Crowd: We love Michael! We love Michael! 702 00:35:53,875 --> 00:35:56,917 ♪ ♪ 703 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,208 (screaming continues) 704 00:36:02,583 --> 00:36:04,375 The excitement of him just walking 705 00:36:04,458 --> 00:36:07,583 from his car, from the hotel to the car, is... 706 00:36:07,667 --> 00:36:09,417 is insane. 707 00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:11,291 (sirens blaring) 708 00:36:11,375 --> 00:36:16,250 People are shoving you and snapping pictures, and... 709 00:36:16,333 --> 00:36:18,834 holding onto the door handles, 710 00:36:18,917 --> 00:36:21,458 and being dragged by the car. 711 00:36:21,542 --> 00:36:23,583 They're crying and... 712 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:26,917 It's a unique experience... 713 00:36:29,417 --> 00:36:33,166 that level of star power. 714 00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:35,458 ♪ ♪ 715 00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:41,417 ♪ Hoo-hoo! ♪ 716 00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:43,709 (screaming) 717 00:36:44,583 --> 00:36:46,333 I'm 10, on the tour, 718 00:36:46,417 --> 00:36:48,208 you know, having shows every night, 719 00:36:48,291 --> 00:36:50,875 and it's a bit overwhelming. 720 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,709 I love you, Michael! 721 00:36:52,792 --> 00:36:54,542 ♪ Hoo! ♪ 722 00:36:54,625 --> 00:36:56,625 ♪ ♪ 723 00:36:56,709 --> 00:36:58,834 (screaming) 724 00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:13,333 There's all these sort of amazing moments 725 00:37:13,417 --> 00:37:17,792 on tour that you don't get in normal life. 726 00:37:19,166 --> 00:37:21,959 (crowd screaming) 727 00:37:24,875 --> 00:37:27,000 Stephanie: None of us were living a normal life 728 00:37:27,083 --> 00:37:28,834 when we traveled with Michael. 729 00:37:28,917 --> 00:37:32,041 I got to meet Sean Connery. 730 00:37:32,125 --> 00:37:33,917 That was big for me. It was like, 731 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,375 "Oh my God, Sean Connery!" 732 00:37:36,458 --> 00:37:38,458 And then at the shows, 733 00:37:38,542 --> 00:37:41,667 there's stars come in to meet him. 734 00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:43,875 I think I met Harrison Ford 735 00:37:43,959 --> 00:37:46,583 and George Lucas and... 736 00:37:46,667 --> 00:37:48,375 Steven Spielberg and... 737 00:37:48,458 --> 00:37:51,583 And we even went to the set of 738 00:37:51,667 --> 00:37:53,250 the Indiana Jones movie. 739 00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:55,667 And Harrison Ford took me outside, 740 00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:59,709 and showed me how to use his bullwhip. 741 00:37:59,792 --> 00:38:02,250 And then he gave me the bullwhip. 742 00:38:02,333 --> 00:38:05,583 ♪ ♪ 743 00:38:05,667 --> 00:38:08,375 Stephanie: I was on a bus with Tina Turner. 744 00:38:08,458 --> 00:38:12,083 They bused the VIPs back and forth to the hotel. 745 00:38:12,166 --> 00:38:14,792 And I heard her tell her boyfriend at the time, 746 00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:16,166 I was sitting close, 747 00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:19,250 "That little white boy sure can dance." 748 00:38:19,333 --> 00:38:21,291 Well, I knew she was talking about Jimmy! 749 00:38:21,375 --> 00:38:25,041 And that was like, "Oh, I know, he can dance." 750 00:38:26,125 --> 00:38:27,834 But I was so proud of Jimmy. 751 00:38:27,917 --> 00:38:31,583 It was always a proud moment to see him on stage. 752 00:38:35,875 --> 00:38:38,041 ♪ ♪ 753 00:38:46,959 --> 00:38:50,458 James: By that time, you're already best buds. 754 00:38:50,542 --> 00:38:55,000 So, it's like, two friends going on an adventure 755 00:38:55,083 --> 00:38:56,834 or something like that. 756 00:38:56,917 --> 00:38:59,291 (bus rumbling) 757 00:39:01,458 --> 00:39:03,875 You're not going off and doing normal things 758 00:39:03,959 --> 00:39:06,917 people do when they travel. 759 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,166 So, you spend a lot of time just in the hotel room with him. 760 00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:12,917 And the hotel rooms are, you know, 761 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,750 the president suites, so they're quite large. 762 00:39:16,834 --> 00:39:19,500 So, there's lots of room to play, and... 763 00:39:19,583 --> 00:39:21,583 you just grow... 764 00:39:22,583 --> 00:39:24,041 closer. 765 00:39:24,125 --> 00:39:27,125 ♪ ♪ 766 00:39:27,208 --> 00:39:30,583 I remember we would fall asleep together, 767 00:39:30,667 --> 00:39:33,333 and then when I wake up, he would be in another room. 768 00:39:33,417 --> 00:39:38,375 And I would be... hurt that he was in another room, 769 00:39:38,458 --> 00:39:40,750 and so I'd ask him to stay. 770 00:39:42,583 --> 00:39:47,208 It seems like it was a natural... thing that happened. 771 00:39:47,291 --> 00:39:50,000 My husband and I had to have said, 772 00:39:50,083 --> 00:39:52,083 "Yes, you can go sleep with Michael." 773 00:39:52,166 --> 00:39:54,291 ♪ ♪ 774 00:39:57,542 --> 00:40:03,291 In Paris, he introduced me to masturbation... 775 00:40:04,959 --> 00:40:06,917 and that's how it started. 776 00:40:13,667 --> 00:40:19,583 Michael and I were in his room. 777 00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:22,083 He set it up like, "I'm gonna show you something 778 00:40:22,166 --> 00:40:26,417 that everybody does, and you'll really enjoy it." 779 00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,542 So, it was like he was teaching you something new. 780 00:40:30,709 --> 00:40:33,208 And I remember... 781 00:40:33,291 --> 00:40:34,625 my penis swelling up 782 00:40:34,709 --> 00:40:36,959 'cause I did it so much that first time. 783 00:40:37,041 --> 00:40:41,250 I must've... (chuckles) must've done it a few times. 784 00:40:41,333 --> 00:40:44,625 And so, I remember dipping my penis in warm water. 785 00:40:44,709 --> 00:40:46,834 Michael filled a cup up with water, 786 00:40:46,917 --> 00:40:49,625 so I could pee. It was hard to pee. 787 00:40:49,709 --> 00:40:52,917 I don't have any unpleasant... 788 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,834 memories, other than not being able to pee. 789 00:40:58,041 --> 00:41:01,458 It felt like you were... 790 00:41:01,542 --> 00:41:03,750 bonding, in a way. 791 00:41:05,834 --> 00:41:08,333 The tour was the start of this 792 00:41:08,417 --> 00:41:13,166 sexual, like, couple relationship. 793 00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:17,875 Stephanie: He was with Michael 24/7. 794 00:41:17,959 --> 00:41:20,792 I would go visit Jimmy, um, 795 00:41:20,875 --> 00:41:23,542 make sure he was okay, but Jimmy was always, 796 00:41:23,625 --> 00:41:25,500 "You can go, Mom. You can go, Mom." 797 00:41:25,583 --> 00:41:26,792 He didn't want me there. 798 00:41:26,875 --> 00:41:29,375 I missed him. I really missed my son, 799 00:41:29,458 --> 00:41:31,667 uh, not being with him. 800 00:41:32,542 --> 00:41:35,959 Michael would like it if you... 801 00:41:36,041 --> 00:41:39,000 if you would bend over, and, 802 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,625 like, spread open your cheeks. That's what he liked. 803 00:41:44,834 --> 00:41:47,083 And then he would masturbate. 804 00:41:48,417 --> 00:41:51,750 And he liked, um... 805 00:41:53,041 --> 00:41:55,750 if I rubbed his nipples. 806 00:41:57,917 --> 00:42:00,166 So, we would do stuff, and then, in the end, 807 00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:03,125 when he wanted to ejaculate, he would... 808 00:42:03,208 --> 00:42:05,917 he would finish himself. 809 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,917 Stephanie: Our room started to get further 810 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,417 and further away from Michael's room. 811 00:42:16,083 --> 00:42:17,625 And when I asked about it, 812 00:42:17,709 --> 00:42:20,500 we weren't even on the same floor now. 813 00:42:20,583 --> 00:42:22,166 I asked in Paris, 814 00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:24,375 and I asked about that, and they said, 815 00:42:24,458 --> 00:42:26,875 "We couldn't get you a suite 816 00:42:26,959 --> 00:42:29,583 "close to Michael. No suites available. 817 00:42:29,667 --> 00:42:32,625 This is where we could get you the nicest room." 818 00:42:33,125 --> 00:42:36,291 That made sense to me, so I, "Okay." 819 00:42:36,792 --> 00:42:41,542 But in Germany, we were, like, really far away from them. 820 00:42:41,625 --> 00:42:43,750 And same thing. 821 00:42:43,834 --> 00:42:47,291 Same thing. "We couldn't get you a suite near them." 822 00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:50,542 James: He would run drills with me where, 823 00:42:50,625 --> 00:42:52,792 you'd be in the hotel room, and he would pretend like 824 00:42:52,875 --> 00:42:56,375 somebody was coming in, and you had to get dressed 825 00:42:56,458 --> 00:42:59,959 as fast as possible without making noise. 826 00:43:00,959 --> 00:43:03,083 So not getting caught was a big, 827 00:43:03,166 --> 00:43:06,333 like, just kind of fundamental. 828 00:43:08,083 --> 00:43:11,625 It was very much a secret, and... 829 00:43:11,709 --> 00:43:15,041 he would tell me that 830 00:43:15,125 --> 00:43:16,834 if anybody found out, 831 00:43:16,917 --> 00:43:20,834 his life would be over and my life would be over. 832 00:43:20,917 --> 00:43:24,417 And that's something he tells you over and over again. 833 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,500 (crowd screaming) 834 00:43:32,667 --> 00:43:34,792 ♪ ♪ 835 00:43:44,333 --> 00:43:46,959 And French kissing. 836 00:43:47,041 --> 00:43:51,709 He... said I introduced that to him. 837 00:43:51,792 --> 00:43:53,417 Photographer: Two, jump! 838 00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:56,875 -Cool! All right. -I blinked, though, 'cause he threw his arms. 839 00:43:56,959 --> 00:43:59,250 (laughter) 840 00:43:59,333 --> 00:44:02,250 James: And it evolved from, like, 841 00:44:02,333 --> 00:44:04,125 French kissing and then 842 00:44:04,208 --> 00:44:06,458 kissing different parts of the body, 843 00:44:06,542 --> 00:44:08,667 and then, finally, like, 844 00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:10,917 kissing the genitals. 845 00:44:12,041 --> 00:44:15,417 He started with, like, "Kiss it. Can I kiss it?" 846 00:44:17,542 --> 00:44:21,250 I remember one time I was sleeping, 847 00:44:22,667 --> 00:44:24,750 and I woke up and Michael said 848 00:44:24,834 --> 00:44:28,500 that he had performed oral sex on me while I was sleeping. 849 00:44:28,583 --> 00:44:31,083 And I was like, oh, okay. 850 00:44:31,166 --> 00:44:32,500 (chuckles) 851 00:44:32,583 --> 00:44:35,792 I wanted to know what's going on in the room. 852 00:44:35,875 --> 00:44:39,959 (laughing): My son doesn't know this, 853 00:44:40,041 --> 00:44:42,375 but I would, you know, 854 00:44:42,458 --> 00:44:44,750 go to the door, try to listen, 855 00:44:44,834 --> 00:44:46,959 hear what conversation was going on, 856 00:44:47,041 --> 00:44:48,834 and then I'd sneak away. 857 00:44:48,917 --> 00:44:52,667 I wasn't worried that anything was going on. 858 00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:56,583 I guess it was more curious. What are they doing in there? 859 00:44:56,667 --> 00:44:58,166 Reed: What were they doing? 860 00:44:58,250 --> 00:45:00,834 Playing. Reading. Michael was reading-- 861 00:45:00,917 --> 00:45:03,291 He bought him a lot of nice, good books, you know, 862 00:45:03,375 --> 00:45:06,208 and poems. He'd read poems to him. 863 00:45:06,291 --> 00:45:09,166 Just kid things. They were just doing kid things. 864 00:45:09,250 --> 00:45:12,291 So, I wouldn't actually, like, ejaculate. 865 00:45:13,208 --> 00:45:15,709 It would be this... 866 00:45:16,375 --> 00:45:19,709 like, kind of lubricant without anything in it, 867 00:45:19,792 --> 00:45:22,542 and that would sort of leak out. 868 00:45:22,625 --> 00:45:24,750 -Dan Reed: From you? -From me, yeah. 869 00:45:25,709 --> 00:45:28,500 But Michael would ejaculate. 870 00:45:31,417 --> 00:45:35,667 He said that I was his first sexual experience, 871 00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:39,583 and he would say that all the time. 872 00:45:39,667 --> 00:45:43,125 He's the biggest entertainer, and he's a creative genius, 873 00:45:43,208 --> 00:45:47,458 and that creative genius thinks that you're special. 874 00:45:48,291 --> 00:45:51,709 What's not to like, right? 875 00:45:51,792 --> 00:45:53,917 (indistinct chatter) 876 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,291 ♪ ♪ 877 00:46:00,417 --> 00:46:04,291 Stephanie: Michael would always hold Jimmy's hand, and he said, 878 00:46:04,375 --> 00:46:07,583 "Would you to talk to Jimmy about holding my hand? 879 00:46:07,667 --> 00:46:10,083 "People are gonna get the wrong impression. 880 00:46:10,166 --> 00:46:12,291 You know how people think." 881 00:46:12,375 --> 00:46:14,208 Man 1: Somebody special's in there. 882 00:46:14,291 --> 00:46:15,625 Man 2: Michael Jackson. 883 00:46:15,709 --> 00:46:18,709 "They're gonna think something nasty about it. 884 00:46:18,792 --> 00:46:20,250 "Nothing's going on, 885 00:46:20,333 --> 00:46:24,250 but this is gonna look like something's going on." 886 00:46:24,333 --> 00:46:26,417 (indistinct chatter) 887 00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:28,917 James: Myself and Michael would scratch each other, 888 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,250 here, on the palm, so that you were holding your hand... 889 00:46:32,333 --> 00:46:34,250 And that meant, 890 00:46:34,333 --> 00:46:37,583 like, you were thinking of them sexually. 891 00:46:37,667 --> 00:46:39,125 Woman: Happy New Year, Mike! 892 00:46:39,208 --> 00:46:41,125 James: There's no thoughts of this is wrong 893 00:46:41,208 --> 00:46:43,208 or anything like that. 894 00:46:43,291 --> 00:46:47,333 It's just a very... accepted way of 895 00:46:47,417 --> 00:46:50,125 expressing your love. 896 00:46:50,208 --> 00:46:51,959 That's what he would say. 897 00:46:52,041 --> 00:46:55,375 ♪ ♪ 898 00:46:57,208 --> 00:47:00,458 Stephanie: He was very close to us, 899 00:47:00,542 --> 00:47:02,875 seeing us every day, staying at our home. 900 00:47:04,709 --> 00:47:08,500 We were the first guests he had, to go to Neverland. 901 00:47:08,583 --> 00:47:10,500 I actually have the brochure 902 00:47:10,583 --> 00:47:15,709 that they used to market it, to sell it. 903 00:47:15,792 --> 00:47:18,083 James: And he said, "I'm gonna purchase this house, 904 00:47:18,166 --> 00:47:20,250 and it's gonna be yours." 905 00:47:20,333 --> 00:47:23,500 Like, "This place is for you." 906 00:47:23,583 --> 00:47:26,250 Me and Michael would be there a lot together, 907 00:47:26,333 --> 00:47:29,083 like, for a week at a time. 908 00:47:32,333 --> 00:47:35,166 Stephanie: His property was massive, 909 00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:37,667 so nobody was near him. 910 00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:41,125 You know, the next ranch was quite a ways. 911 00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:45,333 They have the most beautiful guest rooms. 912 00:47:45,417 --> 00:47:48,750 Stephanie: This was the room I chose. I loved this room. 913 00:47:48,834 --> 00:47:51,750 You could stay at any guest room you wanted. 914 00:47:52,542 --> 00:47:56,583 And Jimmy stayed with Michael in the big house. 915 00:47:56,667 --> 00:47:59,834 We had people cooking for us. 916 00:47:59,917 --> 00:48:01,709 He had a beautiful wine cellar. 917 00:48:01,792 --> 00:48:03,709 You know, really good wine, champagne, 918 00:48:03,792 --> 00:48:05,417 that was just something I enjoyed. 919 00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:08,208 It was a fairy tale every night. 920 00:48:08,291 --> 00:48:09,917 ♪ ♪ 921 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,709 James: The routine was 922 00:48:12,792 --> 00:48:15,166 we would get a blanket and lay it down 923 00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:17,667 on the floor and inside of the closet, 924 00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:20,125 next to his main bed, 925 00:48:20,208 --> 00:48:22,208 so we could close the doors and have, 926 00:48:22,291 --> 00:48:26,792 like, several sort of doors people had to get through. 927 00:48:26,875 --> 00:48:29,375 It was just the hall that leads to his room. 928 00:48:29,458 --> 00:48:31,834 So, there were bells so you could 929 00:48:31,917 --> 00:48:33,375 have a moment of hearing them trip, 930 00:48:33,458 --> 00:48:37,250 and at least it alarmed him to when people are coming. 931 00:48:38,959 --> 00:48:42,750 There was, like, kissing, and... 932 00:48:42,834 --> 00:48:46,458 I think, just kind of rubbing on each other. 933 00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:49,208 And then, um... 934 00:48:52,333 --> 00:48:55,000 oral sex, 935 00:48:56,291 --> 00:48:58,083 and then... 936 00:48:58,166 --> 00:49:00,250 he would want me to suck on his nipples, 937 00:49:00,333 --> 00:49:02,542 and then he would finish himself. 938 00:49:04,458 --> 00:49:08,625 He also had a, like, an Indian fort with tepees, 939 00:49:08,709 --> 00:49:13,917 and so we would lay down sleeping bags, 940 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,917 have snacks, and then... 941 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,709 have sexual relations there. 942 00:49:20,792 --> 00:49:22,709 There was also a game room, 943 00:49:22,792 --> 00:49:24,333 and then upstairs in the arcade, 944 00:49:24,417 --> 00:49:26,458 there was another room. 945 00:49:26,542 --> 00:49:28,125 And it had a bed in there. 946 00:49:28,208 --> 00:49:30,417 We would go into that room 947 00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:32,625 and have sex there. 948 00:49:32,709 --> 00:49:35,083 ♪ ♪ 949 00:49:35,166 --> 00:49:37,917 There's this attic, there's a third-floor attic. 950 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,667 It was kind of secluded, 951 00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:43,542 like, you could only really get to it from... from these steep stairs, 952 00:49:43,625 --> 00:49:47,291 so you could tell if somebody was coming. 953 00:49:47,375 --> 00:49:50,667 So, we would go in there and have sex. 954 00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:53,542 There's toys everywhere, 955 00:49:53,625 --> 00:49:55,667 things to do. 956 00:49:56,959 --> 00:49:59,875 So, they just kind of mix together. 957 00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:06,625 He had another house far away 958 00:50:06,709 --> 00:50:08,333 from the main house, 959 00:50:08,417 --> 00:50:10,709 and then there he had a lot of memorabilia. 960 00:50:10,792 --> 00:50:13,792 He had his jackets from, like, the Grammys, 961 00:50:13,875 --> 00:50:16,834 the rhinestone ones, and his glove. 962 00:50:16,917 --> 00:50:19,041 And that was far away from people, 963 00:50:19,125 --> 00:50:23,250 and you could see if somebody was driving up his narrow road. 964 00:50:24,792 --> 00:50:27,750 And we would have sex in there, too. 965 00:50:30,208 --> 00:50:35,500 The movie theater had these two, like, private rooms. 966 00:50:35,583 --> 00:50:39,083 Um, it had big glass windows, so you could see the theater. 967 00:50:39,166 --> 00:50:43,208 And so, we would have sex in those rooms. 968 00:50:43,291 --> 00:50:46,291 That was a bit dangerous. 969 00:50:47,959 --> 00:50:49,667 So, there was a bit of excitement there. 970 00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:52,291 So, I didn't tell him I was coming, 971 00:50:52,375 --> 00:50:54,125 and the door was locked. 972 00:50:54,208 --> 00:50:56,250 And so, you have to knock loud 973 00:50:56,333 --> 00:50:59,041 because, you know, the movie's on. 974 00:50:59,125 --> 00:51:00,917 And, he made some exc-- 975 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,834 He came down, unlocked it, and did make some excuse. 976 00:51:03,917 --> 00:51:06,417 He didn't mean to lock the door. 977 00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:09,208 He didn't know the door was locked. That's what he told me. 978 00:51:09,291 --> 00:51:12,834 He was in there with Jimmy, they were in the bed. 979 00:51:13,625 --> 00:51:15,959 They were clothed. 980 00:51:16,792 --> 00:51:21,250 Still, didn't think anything. 981 00:51:24,291 --> 00:51:26,542 James: There was a castle in the theme park 982 00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:28,917 and upstairs had a bedroom. 983 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,917 You could see if somebody was coming. 984 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,291 It had just this small bed, 985 00:51:34,375 --> 00:51:36,750 it's upstair-- and up there, we would have sex. 986 00:51:36,834 --> 00:51:39,834 ♪ ♪ 987 00:51:40,875 --> 00:51:43,166 The pool and the Jacuzzi-- 988 00:51:44,417 --> 00:51:45,917 oral sex, 989 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,667 like, holding your breath and then going down, 990 00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:51,166 kind of like a game. 991 00:51:52,333 --> 00:51:56,333 At the train station, there's a room upstairs, 992 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,792 and we would have sex up there, too. 993 00:52:01,542 --> 00:52:05,083 It would happen every day. 994 00:52:05,667 --> 00:52:08,125 It sounds sick, but it's kind of like 995 00:52:08,208 --> 00:52:10,291 when you're first dating somebody, 996 00:52:10,375 --> 00:52:13,125 right, and you do a lot of it. (chuckles) 997 00:52:13,208 --> 00:52:15,500 So, it was very much like that. 998 00:52:18,542 --> 00:52:21,041 ♪ ♪ 999 00:52:24,166 --> 00:52:28,542 At the same time the sexual relationship is growing, 1000 00:52:28,625 --> 00:52:32,917 he's working on pushing you away from your parents, 1001 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,166 or pushing you away from everybody else, and... 1002 00:52:36,250 --> 00:52:38,542 and it feels more like... 1003 00:52:41,917 --> 00:52:44,125 like it's just you and him. 1004 00:52:44,208 --> 00:52:47,417 ♪ ♪ 1005 00:52:49,667 --> 00:52:52,709 Stephanie: My husband and I are still together. 1006 00:52:52,792 --> 00:52:55,542 However, we have separate bedrooms. 1007 00:52:55,625 --> 00:52:59,125 But our marriage was so bad, the whole situation, 1008 00:52:59,208 --> 00:53:00,875 and I don't know that-- 1009 00:53:00,959 --> 00:53:03,750 I don't even think my son knew 1010 00:53:03,834 --> 00:53:05,709 because my son was so busy having fun. 1011 00:53:05,792 --> 00:53:09,917 He didn't know that Jim and I were in separate bedrooms, 1012 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,000 barely getting along. 1013 00:53:12,083 --> 00:53:15,834 ♪ ♪ 1014 00:53:15,917 --> 00:53:18,667 James: We would listen in on people's phone calls. 1015 00:53:18,750 --> 00:53:22,583 Eavesdrop on my parents when they were fighting. 1016 00:53:22,667 --> 00:53:25,333 And he would tell me... 1017 00:53:25,417 --> 00:53:28,250 "Look how mean your mom is 1018 00:53:28,917 --> 00:53:30,500 and how evil women are." 1019 00:53:30,583 --> 00:53:33,792 But, at the time, you just hear your mom yelling at your dad, 1020 00:53:33,875 --> 00:53:36,583 and Michael feeds into that. 1021 00:53:38,041 --> 00:53:40,917 Your love for him is growing and your relationships 1022 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,959 with other people are getting less. 1023 00:53:46,291 --> 00:53:49,083 Your success is an American dream come true. 1024 00:53:49,166 --> 00:53:50,542 ♪ ♪ 1025 00:53:50,625 --> 00:53:52,333 James: It's constantly reinforced, too, 1026 00:53:52,417 --> 00:53:55,041 by everybody else in the world. 1027 00:53:55,125 --> 00:53:56,875 So, it's a really intense feeling 1028 00:53:56,959 --> 00:53:59,333 'cause everybody else is loving him. 1029 00:53:59,417 --> 00:54:03,917 It's like everybody's on board, so it's very powerful. 1030 00:54:04,542 --> 00:54:08,500 You start to think that your parents are bad 1031 00:54:08,583 --> 00:54:10,959 and that Michael is good. 1032 00:54:12,583 --> 00:54:15,834 ♪ ♪ 1033 00:54:21,458 --> 00:54:24,041 Newsman: We may not have Michael Jackson on the program tonight, 1034 00:54:24,125 --> 00:54:27,041 but we have the next best thing, Wade Robson. 1035 00:54:27,125 --> 00:54:31,000 -("Billie Jean" playing) -(crowd cheering) 1036 00:54:33,208 --> 00:54:36,750 Newswoman: Joy and Dennis Robson are suitably proud of their son. 1037 00:54:36,834 --> 00:54:38,875 Dennis: It's really amazing because 1038 00:54:38,959 --> 00:54:40,625 everything he does 1039 00:54:40,709 --> 00:54:42,583 we haven't taught him anything. 1040 00:54:42,667 --> 00:54:44,917 The whole... the act that he does 1041 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,917 is all himself. 1042 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,375 Nobody's taught him anything. 1043 00:54:49,458 --> 00:54:53,083 ♪ People always told me, be careful what you do ♪ 1044 00:54:53,166 --> 00:54:55,792 ♪ Don't go around breaking young girls' hearts ♪ 1045 00:54:55,875 --> 00:54:57,959 I started to like Michael, 1046 00:54:58,041 --> 00:54:59,667 and I started copying the moves, 1047 00:54:59,750 --> 00:55:01,333 and that's how I started dancing. 1048 00:55:01,417 --> 00:55:04,542 ♪ ♪ 1049 00:55:05,709 --> 00:55:07,458 (crowd cheering) 1050 00:55:07,542 --> 00:55:10,750 I mean, if he wanted to stop, there'd be no pressure. Fine. 1051 00:55:10,834 --> 00:55:12,500 If that's what he wants to do, that's fine. 1052 00:55:12,583 --> 00:55:13,959 ♪ You know I'm bad ♪ 1053 00:55:14,041 --> 00:55:16,041 Newswoman: What do you wanna be when you grow up? 1054 00:55:16,125 --> 00:55:18,041 I wanna be a star, 1055 00:55:18,125 --> 00:55:21,583 and keep everybody happy while I'm doing it. 1056 00:55:21,667 --> 00:55:23,792 ♪ And the whole world has to answer right now ♪ 1057 00:55:23,875 --> 00:55:26,166 ♪ Just to tell you once again, who's bad? ♪ 1058 00:55:26,250 --> 00:55:28,500 ("Bad" continuing) 1059 00:55:30,917 --> 00:55:32,917 Wade: I auditioned for 1060 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,291 a dance company in Brisbane 1061 00:55:36,375 --> 00:55:38,583 called the Johnny Young Talent School. 1062 00:55:38,667 --> 00:55:40,500 (crowd cheering) 1063 00:55:40,583 --> 00:55:43,709 I mean, this was, you know, a jazz dance company, 1064 00:55:43,792 --> 00:55:45,667 but I showed up as Michael Jackson, 1065 00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:47,709 in the full outfit again. 1066 00:55:48,333 --> 00:55:50,667 And they wanted me in the company, and I got in the company, 1067 00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:53,667 and I became their Michael Jackson. 1068 00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:55,875 You know, we started performing at malls 1069 00:55:55,959 --> 00:55:58,834 and all that sort of thing, pretty constantly, 1070 00:55:58,917 --> 00:56:01,333 every weekend at least. 1071 00:56:01,417 --> 00:56:03,917 Shane: At some point, the hair got permed. 1072 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,041 That was taking it to a new level for me. 1073 00:56:06,125 --> 00:56:07,333 (laughs) 1074 00:56:07,417 --> 00:56:10,166 He had the full curls and... yeah. 1075 00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:12,583 ("Billie Jean" playing) 1076 00:56:13,583 --> 00:56:15,333 It's like a kid with his superhero, 1077 00:56:15,417 --> 00:56:17,500 being obsessed with a superhero, 1078 00:56:17,583 --> 00:56:20,000 but taking it up three or four notches. 1079 00:56:20,083 --> 00:56:21,917 It was kind of... kind of weird. 1080 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,291 ("Smooth Criminal" playing) 1081 00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:29,375 Joy: Every show they did was based around Wade, 1082 00:56:29,458 --> 00:56:32,500 and it was amazing how this woman would work "Bad" 1083 00:56:32,583 --> 00:56:36,125 into every scenario, or "Smooth Criminal," 1084 00:56:36,208 --> 00:56:37,917 even Christmas. 1085 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,125 ♪ ♪ 1086 00:56:42,792 --> 00:56:44,041 ♪ Pow! ♪ 1087 00:56:44,125 --> 00:56:45,917 (crowd cheering) 1088 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,875 And then, they announced that they were all going 1089 00:56:48,959 --> 00:56:52,875 to dance in Disneyland for Australia Day. 1090 00:56:52,959 --> 00:56:55,250 ♪ ♪ 1091 00:56:57,125 --> 00:56:59,166 Chantal: Because it was a big America trip, 1092 00:56:59,250 --> 00:57:01,917 obviously my mom and my dad were gonna go, 1093 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,333 and then my grandparents came as well. 1094 00:57:06,166 --> 00:57:08,917 My name is Lorraine Jean Cullen, 1095 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,875 and I'm Wade Robson's grandmother. 1096 00:57:14,667 --> 00:57:17,458 He used to copy all the latest steps 1097 00:57:17,542 --> 00:57:19,625 that Michael Jackson did. 1098 00:57:19,709 --> 00:57:23,500 Forever dancing, wouldn't matter where he was. 1099 00:57:24,083 --> 00:57:28,000 It wasn't my sort of dancing, that's for sure. (laughs) 1100 00:57:28,083 --> 00:57:30,750 But we just all went on the plane together, 1101 00:57:30,834 --> 00:57:34,041 and we went over to Disneyland. 1102 00:57:34,125 --> 00:57:36,166 ♪ ♪ 1103 00:57:41,041 --> 00:57:43,166 Chantal: There was, like, hundreds of kids, like, 1104 00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:46,250 all in our red sweatsuits that said Johnny Young Talent School, 1105 00:57:46,333 --> 00:57:49,625 like, going to America for the first time. 1106 00:57:49,709 --> 00:57:52,000 Joy: Michael had said, that last time we saw him, 1107 00:57:52,083 --> 00:57:55,041 "If you ever come to America, look me up." 1108 00:57:55,709 --> 00:57:57,333 It's like, oh sure, you just look him up 1109 00:57:57,417 --> 00:58:01,125 in the White Pages and find him? 1110 00:58:01,208 --> 00:58:03,959 I started calling around some of the television shows 1111 00:58:04,041 --> 00:58:05,625 that Wade had been on, 1112 00:58:05,709 --> 00:58:10,208 trying to find a number where we could contact Michael. 1113 00:58:10,291 --> 00:58:13,208 And we got passed around, passed around, passed around, 1114 00:58:13,291 --> 00:58:15,208 and finally, somebody gave me a number, 1115 00:58:15,291 --> 00:58:16,917 Michael's personal assistant. 1116 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,959 So, we called her, and she said, 1117 00:58:20,041 --> 00:58:23,125 "Oh, let me talk to Michael, 1118 00:58:23,208 --> 00:58:26,166 and I will call you back." 1119 00:58:26,250 --> 00:58:27,500 So, she did. 1120 00:58:27,583 --> 00:58:30,333 She called back and said Michael remembered Wade, 1121 00:58:30,417 --> 00:58:34,291 and wanted to meet us, and asked if we would meet him 1122 00:58:34,375 --> 00:58:36,208 in Sherman Oaks at Record One, 1123 00:58:36,291 --> 00:58:38,959 where he was recording his new album. 1124 00:58:39,041 --> 00:58:42,417 ♪ ♪ 1125 00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:48,709 Wade: The impossible. 1126 00:58:48,792 --> 00:58:53,500 You don't just come to America and start calling some numbers, 1127 00:58:53,583 --> 00:58:56,417 and get in contact with Michael Jackson somehow, 1128 00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:58,500 and then you're gonna see him again. 1129 00:58:58,583 --> 00:59:01,959 Like, that was just not a normal scenario. 1130 00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:07,875 Chantal: My mom, Wade, myself, and my dad, 1131 00:59:07,959 --> 00:59:10,291 all went to Record One, 1132 00:59:10,375 --> 00:59:14,834 and that's the first time that I actually had met Michael. 1133 00:59:17,333 --> 00:59:21,625 Wade: He was doing some sort of photo shoot in the lobby area. 1134 00:59:21,709 --> 00:59:23,917 My mother and father and sister 1135 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,250 got in for a sort of group photo with Michael, 1136 00:59:28,625 --> 00:59:31,000 and then he and I took some shots alone. 1137 00:59:31,083 --> 00:59:36,166 I was in a full custom Smooth Criminal outfit. 1138 00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:40,959 We showed him some tapes of dancing, 1139 00:59:41,041 --> 00:59:42,542 performances, things I've been doing 1140 00:59:42,625 --> 00:59:45,417 over the last two years that he wanted to see. 1141 00:59:47,208 --> 00:59:49,083 I think it was a Friday, 1142 00:59:49,166 --> 00:59:51,583 and he said, you know, "Do you and the family, 1143 00:59:51,667 --> 00:59:55,333 do you guys wanna come to Neverland for the weekend?" 1144 00:59:56,333 --> 00:59:59,500 ♪ ♪ 1145 01:00:14,875 --> 01:00:17,750 Michael asked if me and my sister 1146 01:00:17,834 --> 01:00:21,542 wanted to drive with him, and of course I did. 1147 01:00:21,625 --> 01:00:25,208 And my parents and grandparents would follow behind. 1148 01:00:25,291 --> 01:00:28,250 I remember him playing us some music, 1149 01:00:28,333 --> 01:00:30,458 like some unreleased music. 1150 01:00:30,542 --> 01:00:34,041 Just getting this, like, secret access, right, 1151 01:00:34,125 --> 01:00:36,417 to him and to his world. 1152 01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:38,542 ♪ ♪ 1153 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,291 Joy: It was sort of surreal for us, for all of us. 1154 01:00:43,375 --> 01:00:47,625 Hollywood and this whole entertainment business was, um, 1155 01:00:47,709 --> 01:00:50,333 on another planet from where we were. 1156 01:00:50,417 --> 01:00:52,542 ♪ ♪ 1157 01:00:54,083 --> 01:00:56,333 Wade: As we were getting closer and closer 1158 01:00:56,417 --> 01:00:59,792 to Neverland and, you know, Michael telling us, 1159 01:00:59,875 --> 01:01:03,041 only about 15 more minutes or 10 more minutes, and just... 1160 01:01:03,125 --> 01:01:05,458 the excitement really building. 1161 01:01:05,542 --> 01:01:08,333 ♪ ♪ 1162 01:01:08,417 --> 01:01:10,667 Lorraine: You had to pull up at the gate, 1163 01:01:10,750 --> 01:01:13,083 and the guards came and wanted to make sure 1164 01:01:13,166 --> 01:01:16,667 you didn't have any cameras or anything like that. 1165 01:01:16,750 --> 01:01:19,166 It was a little bit intimidating. 1166 01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:22,041 I hadn't met any celebrities ever, 1167 01:01:22,125 --> 01:01:24,333 and I was quite lost, 1168 01:01:24,417 --> 01:01:27,625 but I had my husband there, so, yes. 1169 01:01:29,458 --> 01:01:32,333 Joy: It's like a fairy land. It's all fairy lights, 1170 01:01:32,417 --> 01:01:35,834 and there's beautiful lakes that are all lit up, 1171 01:01:35,917 --> 01:01:40,291 and the house was all lit up. It was just amazing. 1172 01:01:40,375 --> 01:01:42,917 Chantal: As soon as you pulled in, there's music going. 1173 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,834 There's flowers everywhere. 1174 01:01:44,917 --> 01:01:48,083 It felt like you were driving into this little heaven, you know. 1175 01:01:49,417 --> 01:01:50,792 The car pulls up, 1176 01:01:50,875 --> 01:01:52,500 and there's everybody that works 1177 01:01:52,583 --> 01:01:56,291 at the ranch kind of lined up, ready to greet you. 1178 01:01:56,375 --> 01:01:59,375 I've never been in that type of world before, 1179 01:01:59,458 --> 01:02:02,000 and such a big house and... 1180 01:02:02,083 --> 01:02:03,625 it was magical. 1181 01:02:05,417 --> 01:02:09,333 Wade: I mean, we were all tripping out, you know, on this place. 1182 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,583 You know, it was just... out of a... 1183 01:02:14,667 --> 01:02:17,166 out of a storybook, right, out of a fairy tale. 1184 01:02:17,250 --> 01:02:21,500 ♪ ♪ 1185 01:02:21,583 --> 01:02:23,375 Joy: Michael showed us all around the house, 1186 01:02:23,458 --> 01:02:26,083 and at that time, he only had the theater. 1187 01:02:26,166 --> 01:02:29,041 He didn't have all the other things. 1188 01:02:29,125 --> 01:02:32,041 It's like a child's dream come true. 1189 01:02:32,125 --> 01:02:34,750 There's a big candy store there 1190 01:02:34,834 --> 01:02:37,291 that you just help yourself to, soft-serve ice cream, 1191 01:02:37,375 --> 01:02:42,792 and all the chocolates in the world, and popcorn, and then a beautiful theater. 1192 01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:47,083 Wade: To the left was a dining room, 1193 01:02:47,166 --> 01:02:50,083 and then kitchen, living room. 1194 01:02:50,166 --> 01:02:54,000 Tons of beautiful paintings and statues everywhere. 1195 01:02:54,709 --> 01:02:56,333 It was more than just 1196 01:02:56,417 --> 01:02:59,333 going to someone's house that was beautiful. 1197 01:02:59,917 --> 01:03:02,250 You know, it felt like a lot more than that, 1198 01:03:02,333 --> 01:03:03,542 a lot different than that. 1199 01:03:03,625 --> 01:03:05,583 It felt like traveling to another planet. 1200 01:03:05,667 --> 01:03:07,709 ♪ ♪ 1201 01:03:09,417 --> 01:03:12,083 Joy: And then we all came back to the guest units, 1202 01:03:12,166 --> 01:03:15,166 and Michael came back with the children. 1203 01:03:15,250 --> 01:03:17,792 They'd been looking at some other things. 1204 01:03:17,875 --> 01:03:20,291 And they came in and... 1205 01:03:20,375 --> 01:03:24,291 they asked if they could stay with Michael for the night. 1206 01:03:24,375 --> 01:03:27,500 Wade: The guest quarters is a separate building, 1207 01:03:27,583 --> 01:03:30,583 essentially, kind of, across from the main house, 1208 01:03:30,667 --> 01:03:34,166 with about, I think, four hotel rooms. 1209 01:03:34,250 --> 01:03:36,792 "You can stay in the guest quarters with your parents if you want, 1210 01:03:36,875 --> 01:03:40,875 "or if you want, you can, you know, you can stay with me, in my room." 1211 01:03:41,542 --> 01:03:45,542 And I was like, you know, I wanna stay with Michael. 1212 01:03:46,709 --> 01:03:48,417 So, we thought, oh, okay. 1213 01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:50,166 We didn't seem to think anything of it. 1214 01:03:50,250 --> 01:03:53,792 We just thought that's fine, and Chantal was with him as well. 1215 01:03:53,875 --> 01:03:57,625 ♪ ♪ 1216 01:03:57,709 --> 01:04:01,166 Wade: Like, for me to look back on the scenario now, 1217 01:04:01,250 --> 01:04:06,333 what you'd think would be standard, kind of, instincts and judgment, 1218 01:04:06,417 --> 01:04:09,417 uh, seemed to go out the window. 1219 01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:11,083 Even if we knew him, 1220 01:04:11,166 --> 01:04:13,166 which we didn't, at all. 1221 01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:14,959 We'd known him for, 1222 01:04:15,041 --> 01:04:17,750 I don't know what, four hours maybe. 1223 01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:22,000 Not known him. We met him four hours ago, you know? 1224 01:04:22,083 --> 01:04:25,500 That's the trippy part is because it felt like we knew him. 1225 01:04:25,583 --> 01:04:30,458 Like, he had been in my living room every day. 1226 01:04:30,542 --> 01:04:34,834 In my ears via his music and his posters like... 1227 01:04:34,917 --> 01:04:37,458 I had known him, I thought. 1228 01:04:38,083 --> 01:04:42,500 And it, for some reason, it didn't feel strange 1229 01:04:42,583 --> 01:04:45,875 to let, you know, me, a seven-year-old, 1230 01:04:45,959 --> 01:04:48,125 and my sister, 1231 01:04:48,208 --> 01:04:50,709 a 10-year-old, 1232 01:04:50,792 --> 01:04:53,000 sleep in this man's bedroom. 1233 01:04:53,083 --> 01:04:56,291 ♪ ♪ 1234 01:04:59,625 --> 01:05:05,291 Chantal: Michael had an extra guest bed that was above his bed. 1235 01:05:05,375 --> 01:05:07,333 It was basically like a staircase that just kind of 1236 01:05:07,417 --> 01:05:11,208 took you up to this other room in his room. 1237 01:05:11,291 --> 01:05:13,959 And so, he said that we could stay 1238 01:05:14,041 --> 01:05:17,583 in his room in that guest unit, if we wanted to. 1239 01:05:17,667 --> 01:05:21,250 And of course, we were like, "Please, can we?" you know. 1240 01:05:21,333 --> 01:05:25,583 We went to his bedroom and sat on his bed and talked to him. 1241 01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:29,250 And he had a train running around the bed, 1242 01:05:29,333 --> 01:05:31,792 electric train running the bedroom, 1243 01:05:31,875 --> 01:05:35,375 and he was just like a child. Yes. 1244 01:05:35,458 --> 01:05:37,875 ♪ ♪ 1245 01:05:37,959 --> 01:05:40,083 Wade: There was pillow fights. 1246 01:05:40,166 --> 01:05:43,709 I mean, just having a blast, like, no rules. 1247 01:05:43,792 --> 01:05:47,125 You know, like, you can't get in trouble, you know. 1248 01:05:47,208 --> 01:05:49,834 We were just kind of all hanging out in Michael's bed, 1249 01:05:49,917 --> 01:05:53,083 in the same bed, like me, Wade, and Michael, 1250 01:05:53,166 --> 01:05:56,959 and just watching movies and watching videos. 1251 01:05:57,792 --> 01:05:59,208 Wade: And then at some point, 1252 01:05:59,291 --> 01:06:02,500 we just knocked out, all three of us on his bed. 1253 01:06:03,166 --> 01:06:06,750 Yeah, and that's as much as I remember that first night. 1254 01:06:06,834 --> 01:06:10,041 ♪ ♪ 1255 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,083 Joy: The next morning, waking up and looking at the lake, 1256 01:06:26,166 --> 01:06:29,125 and the flowers were just amazing. 1257 01:06:29,208 --> 01:06:30,792 I mean, my mother said her first thought was, 1258 01:06:30,875 --> 01:06:32,792 "Oh my God, I've died and gone to Heaven." 1259 01:06:32,875 --> 01:06:34,959 It was just so beautiful. 1260 01:06:35,041 --> 01:06:37,083 ♪ ♪ 1261 01:06:40,792 --> 01:06:44,542 Here we go, like, a day of adventure, right. 1262 01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:49,000 Chantal: You know, it was a lot of just silliness, sort of like that 1263 01:06:49,083 --> 01:06:53,041 chase each other and, you know, big water fights. 1264 01:06:53,125 --> 01:06:56,583 It seemed right away like he was family. 1265 01:06:57,250 --> 01:07:00,000 It was like being with a brother. 1266 01:07:00,083 --> 01:07:02,333 ♪ ♪ 1267 01:07:02,417 --> 01:07:05,542 Wade: We kind of loaded up in a couple of golf carts, 1268 01:07:05,625 --> 01:07:08,417 and him driving us around and showing us everything, right. 1269 01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:10,750 So this is the first time of seeing, 1270 01:07:10,834 --> 01:07:13,250 um, the arcade. 1271 01:07:13,333 --> 01:07:16,750 We walk in and flip a switch and boom, 1272 01:07:16,834 --> 01:07:19,625 the whole room comes alive, right. 1273 01:07:19,709 --> 01:07:22,291 One of the most amazing things that I could ever experience, 1274 01:07:22,375 --> 01:07:25,208 and have total access to, to just go play whatever I wanted to. 1275 01:07:25,291 --> 01:07:27,458 And how I excited 1276 01:07:27,542 --> 01:07:31,750 Michael was to kind of watch me and watch me react. 1277 01:07:31,834 --> 01:07:33,834 Joy: He was fascinated with Wade. 1278 01:07:33,917 --> 01:07:36,750 He said that, "It's like looking at myself in a mirror. 1279 01:07:36,834 --> 01:07:39,458 I see myself all over again." 1280 01:07:39,542 --> 01:07:41,417 So, that was something to hear that, 1281 01:07:41,500 --> 01:07:43,375 that was pretty impressive. 1282 01:07:43,458 --> 01:07:45,875 And this little boy was just living the dream. 1283 01:07:45,959 --> 01:07:47,625 He really was. 1284 01:07:48,959 --> 01:07:52,083 Wade: The theme park, which wasn't as extensive 1285 01:07:52,166 --> 01:07:55,458 then as it became, but... 1286 01:07:55,542 --> 01:08:00,375 still a theme park in someone's house, you know. 1287 01:08:00,458 --> 01:08:05,208 You know, seeing my mother, kind of just, high and giddy 1288 01:08:05,291 --> 01:08:07,250 and playful and like children. 1289 01:08:07,333 --> 01:08:09,500 And then on to the animals, right. 1290 01:08:09,583 --> 01:08:13,000 I mean, chimpanzees, giraffes, 1291 01:08:13,959 --> 01:08:15,917 elephant, 1292 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,750 tiger. 1293 01:08:17,834 --> 01:08:21,041 ♪ ♪ 1294 01:08:22,458 --> 01:08:25,750 You know, then it was bedtime, and it was just kind of 1295 01:08:25,834 --> 01:08:28,375 unspoken, like it was set up already as to how it, 1296 01:08:28,458 --> 01:08:31,208 you know, how we slept last night. 1297 01:08:40,333 --> 01:08:42,667 At some point, I had fallen asleep. 1298 01:08:43,667 --> 01:08:45,959 And I woke up. 1299 01:08:46,041 --> 01:08:49,709 I could hear, like, crying, like, sulking and sobbing. 1300 01:08:49,792 --> 01:08:53,000 (crickets chirping) 1301 01:08:53,083 --> 01:08:56,208 I could see a figure over in the corner, 1302 01:08:56,291 --> 01:08:59,625 kind of scrunched up, sort of sobbing. 1303 01:08:59,709 --> 01:09:02,667 It was kind of hard to get words out. 1304 01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:08,375 'Cause we were supposed to leave the next day, the whole family. 1305 01:09:08,458 --> 01:09:12,709 "I'm just so sad that you guys are gonna leave me. 1306 01:09:14,375 --> 01:09:16,083 "You know, I don't wanna be alone. 1307 01:09:16,166 --> 01:09:18,375 I don't want you guys to leave." 1308 01:09:20,250 --> 01:09:22,291 I mean, I felt the same way. 1309 01:09:22,375 --> 01:09:24,667 I felt like I almost had this kind of 1310 01:09:24,750 --> 01:09:28,625 burden and guilt to like, if I leave, 1311 01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:30,583 like, what's gonna happen to him? 1312 01:09:30,667 --> 01:09:33,542 Like, he was so upset, you know? 1313 01:09:35,125 --> 01:09:36,542 Then, the next morning, 1314 01:09:36,625 --> 01:09:38,834 the plan was that we were gonna go on this kind of trip 1315 01:09:38,917 --> 01:09:42,500 to the Grand Canyon and that sort of thing with an RV. 1316 01:09:42,583 --> 01:09:45,709 Joy: I remember going into Michael's room 1317 01:09:45,792 --> 01:09:47,667 to talk to him about it, 1318 01:09:47,750 --> 01:09:49,375 and he said to Wade, 1319 01:09:49,458 --> 01:09:51,959 "We can stay here. We can go to Los Angeles. 1320 01:09:52,041 --> 01:09:54,834 We can go wherever you want, do whatever you want." 1321 01:09:54,917 --> 01:09:57,000 And Wade wanted to stay at Neverland. 1322 01:09:57,083 --> 01:10:01,583 I actually didn't have a problem with it at the time. 1323 01:10:01,667 --> 01:10:04,750 I didn't actually have a hesitation. 1324 01:10:04,834 --> 01:10:07,000 So then, that's when 1325 01:10:07,083 --> 01:10:09,125 I left with my mom and everybody, 1326 01:10:09,208 --> 01:10:11,333 and we went to the Grand Canyon. 1327 01:10:11,417 --> 01:10:13,041 We had, like, a motor home, 1328 01:10:13,125 --> 01:10:15,125 and we went and camped and did all that, 1329 01:10:15,208 --> 01:10:19,041 and then Wade stayed with Michael. 1330 01:10:19,125 --> 01:10:21,041 I was ecstatic about this. 1331 01:10:21,125 --> 01:10:23,166 Michael was ecstatic about this. 1332 01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:26,000 So, my whole family left, um... 1333 01:10:26,083 --> 01:10:28,375 and I had, you know, five days ahead of me, 1334 01:10:28,458 --> 01:10:30,083 with just me and Michael, 1335 01:10:30,166 --> 01:10:33,333 doing whatever the hell we wanted to do. 1336 01:10:33,417 --> 01:10:36,625 ♪ ♪ 1337 01:10:43,625 --> 01:10:45,667 There were no cell phones, 1338 01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:47,625 or anything like that. 1339 01:10:48,417 --> 01:10:51,625 So, my parents had-- once they left, 1340 01:10:51,709 --> 01:10:56,000 they had no direct access to me at all. 1341 01:10:56,959 --> 01:10:59,417 They were really far away, 1342 01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:02,250 in... many ways. 1343 01:11:02,333 --> 01:11:03,625 (sniffles) 1344 01:11:03,709 --> 01:11:05,834 ♪ ♪ 1345 01:11:12,458 --> 01:11:14,625 Lorraine: We went right through the canyon. 1346 01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:17,083 First time I've ever seen snow. 1347 01:11:17,166 --> 01:11:19,750 That was exciting, too. 1348 01:11:19,834 --> 01:11:21,208 And, uh... 1349 01:11:21,291 --> 01:11:24,750 we thought that Michael was teaching him all his dances. 1350 01:11:24,834 --> 01:11:29,083 That's-- We thought, how lucky he was to have that, 1351 01:11:29,166 --> 01:11:31,750 somebody to take their time and do it, 1352 01:11:31,834 --> 01:11:33,917 in his position, 1353 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,041 to have somebody like that, 1354 01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:38,375 to teach him what to do. 1355 01:11:39,083 --> 01:11:42,625 I somewhat regretted it as we were traveling. 1356 01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:45,542 I became a little anxious, at times, about it. 1357 01:11:45,625 --> 01:11:49,625 And I remember calling once, and I couldn't get through. 1358 01:11:49,709 --> 01:11:52,542 I remember being absolutely hysterical on the phone 1359 01:11:52,625 --> 01:11:54,750 at one point because I couldn't get through, 1360 01:11:54,834 --> 01:11:56,291 and I couldn't find him. 1361 01:11:56,375 --> 01:11:59,583 ♪ ♪ 1362 01:12:00,750 --> 01:12:05,041 Wade: First day at Neverland was 1363 01:12:05,125 --> 01:12:07,834 Michael making physical contact with me. 1364 01:12:07,917 --> 01:12:11,208 Like, his had on my thigh, 1365 01:12:12,041 --> 01:12:15,125 um, hugs, you know. 1366 01:12:15,208 --> 01:12:17,542 It felt great. 1367 01:12:17,625 --> 01:12:20,333 And, out of all the kids in the world, 1368 01:12:20,417 --> 01:12:22,875 he chose me to be his friend. 1369 01:12:22,959 --> 01:12:25,500 And he's holding my hand. 1370 01:12:25,583 --> 01:12:29,375 Within the context of what was going on, 1371 01:12:29,458 --> 01:12:31,834 it seemed normal, you know. 1372 01:12:31,917 --> 01:12:34,041 ♪ ♪ 1373 01:12:35,417 --> 01:12:39,083 The days were filled with 1374 01:12:39,166 --> 01:12:41,542 playing tag, watching movies. 1375 01:12:41,625 --> 01:12:44,333 He taught me how to do the moonwalk. 1376 01:12:44,417 --> 01:12:47,709 This contrast began between the day and the night. 1377 01:12:47,792 --> 01:12:49,792 ♪ ♪ 1378 01:12:49,875 --> 01:12:52,709 We were going to sleep in his bed. 1379 01:12:53,959 --> 01:12:56,917 The first thing I remember is, is... 1380 01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,166 Michael... 1381 01:12:59,250 --> 01:13:01,709 sort of, you know, moving his hands 1382 01:13:01,792 --> 01:13:04,083 across my... legs. 1383 01:13:04,166 --> 01:13:07,709 We were both clothed in PJs. 1384 01:13:07,792 --> 01:13:10,458 And then his hands sort of got to, 1385 01:13:10,542 --> 01:13:13,250 you know, my crotch area, 1386 01:13:13,333 --> 01:13:16,625 and he's sort of fondling there. 1387 01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:18,250 Reed: And how old were you? 1388 01:13:18,333 --> 01:13:22,667 I was seven, seven years old when this began. 1389 01:13:26,291 --> 01:13:29,917 Fondling my penis over the top of my pants. 1390 01:13:31,041 --> 01:13:35,792 And then, his hands went underneath my pants. 1391 01:13:38,792 --> 01:13:40,500 And, uh... 1392 01:13:40,583 --> 01:13:44,166 and started touching my penis underneath my pants and... 1393 01:13:46,291 --> 01:13:48,792 Yeah, there was nothing aggressive about it, 1394 01:13:48,875 --> 01:13:50,625 nothing abrasive. 1395 01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:54,291 I never felt scared or... 1396 01:13:54,375 --> 01:13:56,375 anything like that. 1397 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,959 It just... 1398 01:14:02,333 --> 01:14:05,166 didn't seem that strange. 1399 01:14:09,834 --> 01:14:15,542 And then him guiding me to do the same thing with him. 1400 01:14:15,625 --> 01:14:18,875 So, moving my hands, um, 1401 01:14:19,542 --> 01:14:21,792 to touch his penis. 1402 01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:25,333 uh, which, you know, 1403 01:14:25,417 --> 01:14:27,583 was erect. 1404 01:14:33,417 --> 01:14:37,000 Him talking to me, "You and I were 1405 01:14:37,083 --> 01:14:39,709 "brought together by God. 1406 01:14:41,458 --> 01:14:43,375 "We were meant to be together. 1407 01:14:43,458 --> 01:14:45,834 "You know, and this is us 1408 01:14:45,917 --> 01:14:49,417 "showing each other that we love each other. 1409 01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:52,208 This is how we show our love." 1410 01:14:56,208 --> 01:14:58,709 I mean, it escalated rapidly. 1411 01:14:58,792 --> 01:15:01,458 So, taking showers together and, 1412 01:15:01,542 --> 01:15:04,000 you know, fondling and kissing. 1413 01:15:04,083 --> 01:15:08,041 So him kissing me, I mean, like, full, open mouth, 1414 01:15:08,125 --> 01:15:11,083 tongue-in-mouth kissing. 1415 01:15:13,917 --> 01:15:17,291 He would put my fingers on his nipples, 1416 01:15:17,375 --> 01:15:20,041 and, like, tell me to squeeze them. 1417 01:15:20,125 --> 01:15:23,583 And he would moan and react to that, like it felt good, 1418 01:15:23,667 --> 01:15:26,583 and I liked the feeling that 1419 01:15:26,667 --> 01:15:30,709 was making him happy, that was pleasing him, you know. 1420 01:15:32,875 --> 01:15:36,667 And then Michael pulling my pants 1421 01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:40,083 and my underwear down, pulling them off... 1422 01:15:44,041 --> 01:15:45,959 and, uh, 1423 01:15:46,041 --> 01:15:48,542 and going down and starting to, 1424 01:15:48,625 --> 01:15:51,250 you know, perform oral sex... 1425 01:15:51,333 --> 01:15:53,500 on me. 1426 01:15:58,125 --> 01:16:01,709 And I remember him putting 1427 01:16:01,792 --> 01:16:05,208 my hands on his head 1428 01:16:05,291 --> 01:16:07,583 when he was down there. 1429 01:16:07,667 --> 01:16:09,166 (sighs) 1430 01:16:09,250 --> 01:16:11,291 I'll never forget the... 1431 01:16:12,125 --> 01:16:13,709 the, um, 1432 01:16:13,792 --> 01:16:16,041 the feeling of his hair. 1433 01:16:16,125 --> 01:16:18,041 It was rough, almost like a, um, 1434 01:16:18,125 --> 01:16:21,709 like a Brillo pad, like this roughness. 1435 01:16:21,792 --> 01:16:24,291 And he's down there and... 1436 01:16:26,917 --> 01:16:28,750 you know, with his... 1437 01:16:28,834 --> 01:16:31,125 his mouth on my, you know, 1438 01:16:31,208 --> 01:16:34,083 seven-year-old penis. 1439 01:16:34,166 --> 01:16:36,834 You know, quickly it turned into having me 1440 01:16:36,917 --> 01:16:39,041 perform oral sex on him, too. 1441 01:16:39,125 --> 01:16:40,834 (sighs deeply) 1442 01:16:40,917 --> 01:16:43,083 I mean, to be honest, and to be graphic about it, 1443 01:16:43,166 --> 01:16:49,792 like, you know, a full adult, grown man-size penis... 1444 01:16:49,875 --> 01:16:54,000 in my mouth, you know, in a little seven-year-old's mouth... 1445 01:16:55,333 --> 01:16:57,458 (sighs) 1446 01:17:02,041 --> 01:17:05,792 He didn't ejaculate when he had me perform oral sex on him, 1447 01:17:05,875 --> 01:17:10,041 but he used to-- he would masturbate in front of me. 1448 01:17:10,125 --> 01:17:12,166 He would have me 1449 01:17:12,250 --> 01:17:14,917 kind of go to, like, the corner of the bed, 1450 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,959 like, a far corner of the bed, 1451 01:17:17,041 --> 01:17:19,500 so he'd be laying back on a pillow, 1452 01:17:19,583 --> 01:17:23,625 and have me go to the far corner of the bed and, um, 1453 01:17:23,709 --> 01:17:26,625 be on all fours, 1454 01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:30,709 and have me sort of just bend over my knees, you know, 1455 01:17:32,166 --> 01:17:35,750 um, so he could look at my anus 1456 01:17:35,834 --> 01:17:38,250 while he was masturbating. 1457 01:17:39,583 --> 01:17:43,041 And I was just, kind of, on display. 1458 01:17:43,125 --> 01:17:46,000 And then, um, periodically through that, 1459 01:17:46,083 --> 01:17:48,542 he would kind of come up and, um, 1460 01:17:48,625 --> 01:17:52,458 and stick his tongue in-in my anus. 1461 01:17:57,542 --> 01:18:01,583 Right in front of me, there was this big, 1462 01:18:01,667 --> 01:18:06,417 kind of elaborate, Peter Pan cardboard cutout. 1463 01:18:07,875 --> 01:18:10,500 So, it's like I was either 1464 01:18:10,583 --> 01:18:15,000 looking back at him... masturbating, 1465 01:18:15,583 --> 01:18:20,583 or looking forward at, uh, at Peter Pan. 1466 01:18:24,875 --> 01:18:27,500 ♪ ♪ 1467 01:18:27,583 --> 01:18:30,166 You know, and then we'd 1468 01:18:30,250 --> 01:18:32,959 get up in the morning 1469 01:18:33,041 --> 01:18:35,709 like nothing had ever happened, 1470 01:18:35,792 --> 01:18:39,041 and go have another day filled with 1471 01:18:39,125 --> 01:18:43,250 childhood magical games and adventures. 1472 01:18:43,333 --> 01:18:45,458 ♪ ♪ 1473 01:18:48,417 --> 01:18:51,208 Yeah, when my parents came back at the end of the week, 1474 01:18:51,291 --> 01:18:55,875 I definitely remember a feeling of us and them. 1475 01:18:55,959 --> 01:18:59,875 You know, our relationship had evolved in so many ways, 1476 01:18:59,959 --> 01:19:02,917 and he had done so much, um... 1477 01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:05,709 so much talking to me, 1478 01:19:05,792 --> 01:19:09,333 about not trusting people, 1479 01:19:10,625 --> 01:19:13,959 any people, especially women. 1480 01:19:15,542 --> 01:19:18,333 He started calling me "son." 1481 01:19:19,208 --> 01:19:21,917 And for me, the idea of 1482 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,834 Michael Jackson being my dad 1483 01:19:24,917 --> 01:19:29,041 was the most incredible idea in the world. 1484 01:19:31,542 --> 01:19:34,166 You know, I didn't have anything against my dad, 1485 01:19:34,250 --> 01:19:36,041 that's for sure. 1486 01:19:36,125 --> 01:19:40,709 But Michael was just... It was just too big. 1487 01:19:40,792 --> 01:19:42,583 ♪ ♪ 1488 01:19:42,667 --> 01:19:48,500 That fantasy was just too good to turn down. 1489 01:19:54,583 --> 01:19:56,750 Joy: And then the following week, 1490 01:19:56,834 --> 01:20:01,875 we were supposed to be going to San Francisco, 1491 01:20:02,875 --> 01:20:06,458 and Wade didn't want to go, he wanted to stay. 1492 01:20:06,542 --> 01:20:09,750 ♪ ♪ 1493 01:20:13,083 --> 01:20:17,000 Michael was actually going back to Los Angeles for the week. 1494 01:20:17,083 --> 01:20:21,208 Um, but he invited us to go with him, so... 1495 01:20:21,291 --> 01:20:25,792 Wade and Chantal and I went to LA with Michael, 1496 01:20:25,875 --> 01:20:30,500 and Dennis and my parents went to San Francisco for the week. 1497 01:20:30,583 --> 01:20:32,709 ♪ ♪ 1498 01:20:38,041 --> 01:20:40,542 He was living in Westwood at the time. 1499 01:20:40,625 --> 01:20:45,166 He had a condo in Westwood, which they called the Hideout. 1500 01:20:45,250 --> 01:20:47,500 Um, I remember walking in there and there was 1501 01:20:47,583 --> 01:20:50,500 statues of Shirley Temple and posters everywhere. 1502 01:20:50,583 --> 01:20:52,834 It was a really interesting place, 1503 01:20:52,917 --> 01:20:55,250 childlike. 1504 01:20:56,458 --> 01:20:58,250 Shopping. 1505 01:21:00,041 --> 01:21:02,000 I think that's when that really started. 1506 01:21:02,083 --> 01:21:04,709 ♪ ♪ 1507 01:21:04,792 --> 01:21:07,000 Chantal: We would go into, like, the record stores, 1508 01:21:07,083 --> 01:21:11,333 and I remember, like, Michael just filling up, like, a whole cart, 1509 01:21:11,417 --> 01:21:13,166 like, full of records and CDs, 1510 01:21:13,250 --> 01:21:16,166 and we were allowed to put whatever we wanted in there. 1511 01:21:16,250 --> 01:21:18,375 ♪ ♪ 1512 01:21:19,583 --> 01:21:21,792 Wade: Every time we entered a place, like, 1513 01:21:21,875 --> 01:21:25,291 "Look around and get anything you want. 1514 01:21:25,792 --> 01:21:28,166 "Get everything," you know. 1515 01:21:28,667 --> 01:21:30,875 Normally, the experience was you go into a toy store 1516 01:21:30,959 --> 01:21:33,208 and it's like, you can get one thing, you know. 1517 01:21:33,291 --> 01:21:36,834 And now this was, like, grab a cart and fill it up. 1518 01:21:36,917 --> 01:21:38,959 ♪ ♪ 1519 01:21:49,792 --> 01:21:54,333 Chantal: Me and Mom slept in the living room. 1520 01:21:54,417 --> 01:21:57,500 Wade slept in the room with Michael. 1521 01:21:57,583 --> 01:21:59,750 I don't remember any sort of comment 1522 01:21:59,834 --> 01:22:03,000 about me staying with Michael and sleeping in his room. 1523 01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:05,917 When we were in Los Angeles, 1524 01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,333 Chantal and I spent quite a bit of time alone. 1525 01:22:10,208 --> 01:22:12,041 They, um, 1526 01:22:12,875 --> 01:22:16,250 We went to Westwood. We'd walk down there and do things. 1527 01:22:16,333 --> 01:22:19,875 Wade and Michael would stay in the room a lot, 1528 01:22:19,959 --> 01:22:21,917 just play-- I presume playing games, 1529 01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,000 and they did a lot of that sort of thing. 1530 01:22:24,083 --> 01:22:26,542 Watching cartoons, he was a big cartoon-watcher. 1531 01:22:26,625 --> 01:22:29,250 Once the abuse started, 1532 01:22:29,333 --> 01:22:31,500 within that first week, you know, 1533 01:22:31,583 --> 01:22:35,500 every night that I was with him, there was abuse, 1534 01:22:35,583 --> 01:22:37,583 while my mother was, 1535 01:22:37,667 --> 01:22:39,667 you know, next door. 1536 01:22:42,208 --> 01:22:45,750 You know, he started talking about how much he loves me. 1537 01:22:45,834 --> 01:22:48,125 "What this is, is us. 1538 01:22:48,208 --> 01:22:51,667 "How we show our love for each other. 1539 01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:54,333 "Other people are ignorant, and they're stupid, 1540 01:22:54,417 --> 01:22:55,917 and they'd never understand." 1541 01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,166 If they ever found out what we were doing, 1542 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,208 about the sexual stuff, 1543 01:23:02,291 --> 01:23:03,875 that he and I would be pulled apart, 1544 01:23:03,959 --> 01:23:06,959 that we'd never be able to see each other again. 1545 01:23:07,041 --> 01:23:09,667 And that he and I 1546 01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:13,583 would go to jail for the rest of our lives. 1547 01:23:13,667 --> 01:23:15,917 ♪ ♪ 1548 01:23:18,542 --> 01:23:20,667 ♪ ♪ 1549 01:23:29,917 --> 01:23:32,709 Stephanie: You do feel sorry for him. 1550 01:23:32,792 --> 01:23:36,041 You honestly believe that this is a lonely man, 1551 01:23:36,125 --> 01:23:39,125 and that we can help make him happy. 1552 01:23:39,208 --> 01:23:41,166 Us... 1553 01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:44,417 Us, who are just nobodies. 1554 01:23:45,917 --> 01:23:49,500 We couldn't believe that he would want to hang around us 1555 01:23:49,583 --> 01:23:52,250 in this tiny little house. 1556 01:23:52,333 --> 01:23:55,000 And he'd walk in the house and he'd walk in the front door, 1557 01:23:55,083 --> 01:23:58,667 and he'd go... (sighing): "The Safechucks!" 1558 01:23:58,750 --> 01:24:02,417 Like he was at home, you know, full armed-up acting. 1559 01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:04,917 "Ah, the Safechucks!" 1560 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,125 That's how he felt about us. 1561 01:24:09,125 --> 01:24:11,875 You go from your normal lifestyle, 1562 01:24:11,959 --> 01:24:15,500 day after day, everything's the same, to... 1563 01:24:15,583 --> 01:24:18,625 this big star 1564 01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:21,208 calling your house, 1565 01:24:21,291 --> 01:24:25,500 wanting to come to your home and have dinner in your home, 1566 01:24:25,583 --> 01:24:29,250 wanting to spend the night in your little house. 1567 01:24:29,333 --> 01:24:33,041 He could be anywhere, with anybody in the world, 1568 01:24:33,125 --> 01:24:36,959 and Michael wanted to be with our family. 1569 01:24:37,041 --> 01:24:40,166 This was all so overwhelming 1570 01:24:40,250 --> 01:24:43,041 and like a fairy tale. 1571 01:24:43,125 --> 01:24:45,083 And I got lost in it, 1572 01:24:45,166 --> 01:24:47,959 and I know my husband got lost in it, too. 1573 01:24:49,583 --> 01:24:51,709 James: You're just fully 1574 01:24:51,792 --> 01:24:54,750 in love at that time. 1575 01:24:54,834 --> 01:24:57,959 When I wasn't with him, I was always thinking about him. 1576 01:24:58,041 --> 01:25:01,250 It just feels like the greatest thing when he calls. 1577 01:25:01,333 --> 01:25:03,125 He'd come over, we'd spend the day shopping 1578 01:25:03,208 --> 01:25:05,959 and hang out or he'd spend the night. 1579 01:25:07,417 --> 01:25:10,083 Or I would go to the Hideout in Westwood 1580 01:25:10,166 --> 01:25:12,458 and spend a few nights there. 1581 01:25:12,542 --> 01:25:15,834 ♪ ♪ 1582 01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,750 So, we were like this married couple. 1583 01:25:21,834 --> 01:25:24,417 And I say married because we had 1584 01:25:24,500 --> 01:25:28,792 this mock wedding ceremony. 1585 01:25:28,875 --> 01:25:33,000 We did this in his bedroom, 1586 01:25:33,083 --> 01:25:36,875 and we... like, filled out some vows. 1587 01:25:36,959 --> 01:25:39,208 It's like, we're bonded forever. 1588 01:25:39,291 --> 01:25:41,792 It felt good, 1589 01:25:41,875 --> 01:25:44,166 and the ring is nice. 1590 01:25:45,125 --> 01:25:48,709 It has a row of diamonds 1591 01:25:49,625 --> 01:25:51,667 with a gold band... 1592 01:25:52,375 --> 01:25:54,542 the wedding ring. 1593 01:25:56,500 --> 01:25:58,542 ♪ ♪ 1594 01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:06,834 It's hard to go back to that... moment. 1595 01:26:06,917 --> 01:26:10,709 ♪ ♪ 1596 01:26:11,542 --> 01:26:14,208 I was really into jewelry, 1597 01:26:14,291 --> 01:26:16,959 and he would reward me 1598 01:26:17,041 --> 01:26:20,625 with jewelry for doing sexual acts for him. 1599 01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:24,750 He would say that I need to sell him some 1600 01:26:26,083 --> 01:26:29,792 so that I could earn the gift. 1601 01:26:31,709 --> 01:26:35,166 You know, I like jewelry, and I liked it as a kid, 1602 01:26:35,250 --> 01:26:37,083 and I think that... 1603 01:26:38,917 --> 01:26:41,542 something that I enjoyed was used against me, 1604 01:26:41,625 --> 01:26:43,875 so I think that that... 1605 01:26:44,834 --> 01:26:47,583 causes discomfort. I... 1606 01:26:49,208 --> 01:26:51,542 It's still hard 1607 01:26:51,625 --> 01:26:53,583 for me to... 1608 01:26:53,667 --> 01:26:55,959 not blame myself. 1609 01:26:59,333 --> 01:27:02,417 This piece of jewelry is like a Rolex... 1610 01:27:02,500 --> 01:27:04,583 ring with a diamond in the middle. 1611 01:27:10,166 --> 01:27:13,500 My hands are shaking just holding them. 1612 01:27:15,834 --> 01:27:18,333 We would go buy them... 1613 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,458 at jewelry stores. 1614 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,458 And we would pretend like they were for somebody else and... 1615 01:27:27,625 --> 01:27:29,917 like for a female, but... 1616 01:27:31,375 --> 01:27:34,000 we would pretend like my small hand fit 1617 01:27:34,083 --> 01:27:37,458 whatever female we were buying it for. Yeah. 1618 01:27:39,458 --> 01:27:41,500 ♪ ♪ 1619 01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:46,250 (sighs) 1620 01:27:46,333 --> 01:27:49,417 Yeah, I don't-I don't like looking at the jewelry. 1621 01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:50,709 (lock clicks) 1622 01:27:50,792 --> 01:27:54,041 ♪ ♪ 1623 01:28:08,208 --> 01:28:13,542 Wade: You know, I left Australia as this young fan 1624 01:28:13,625 --> 01:28:15,709 of Michael Jackson. 1625 01:28:15,792 --> 01:28:18,375 And came back 1626 01:28:18,458 --> 01:28:20,875 Michael Jackson's best friend. 1627 01:28:20,959 --> 01:28:22,792 -Reed: And his lover. -Yeah. 1628 01:28:22,875 --> 01:28:25,083 And his lover. 1629 01:28:26,959 --> 01:28:30,917 Trying to adjust back to reality was hard. 1630 01:28:33,542 --> 01:28:36,291 I was back in school. 1631 01:28:36,375 --> 01:28:41,041 The thing that I think made it okay... 1632 01:28:41,709 --> 01:28:45,125 was that the contact with Michael 1633 01:28:45,208 --> 01:28:46,959 was constant. 1634 01:28:47,041 --> 01:28:49,208 Joy: We used to spend 1635 01:28:49,291 --> 01:28:53,375 hours and hours and hours on the phone. 1636 01:28:53,875 --> 01:28:57,041 He called every day, for two years. 1637 01:28:57,125 --> 01:28:59,000 Every blue moon, I would talk to Michael. 1638 01:28:59,083 --> 01:29:01,291 Like, if he called, I'd get on the phone and I'd say, 1639 01:29:01,375 --> 01:29:03,458 "Hi, how are you?" Blah, blah, blah. 1640 01:29:03,542 --> 01:29:06,709 We'd talk for a couple seconds, but it's not like I... 1641 01:29:06,792 --> 01:29:09,166 you know, I didn't stay on the phone with Michael for hours 1642 01:29:09,250 --> 01:29:12,375 or have big conversations, my brother did that. 1643 01:29:12,458 --> 01:29:15,125 It was sort of, he would call to talk to Wade. 1644 01:29:15,208 --> 01:29:17,667 He would talk to Wade for sometimes 1645 01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:20,667 six, seven hours at a time, and I would say, 1646 01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:24,166 "What on Earth do you talk about for all that time?" 1647 01:29:24,250 --> 01:29:25,709 I would try to listen, 1648 01:29:25,792 --> 01:29:27,959 but they seemed to be very innocent phone calls. 1649 01:29:28,041 --> 01:29:30,792 Wade: He told me that I was gonna be 1650 01:29:30,875 --> 01:29:33,792 this massive film director, 1651 01:29:33,875 --> 01:29:36,125 you know, bigger than Spielberg. 1652 01:29:36,208 --> 01:29:38,333 He was telling me to keep working on my dancing, 1653 01:29:38,417 --> 01:29:39,875 keep training. 1654 01:29:39,959 --> 01:29:41,875 You know, you're gonna come back out here soon, 1655 01:29:41,959 --> 01:29:44,208 and, you know, you gotta be ready 1656 01:29:44,291 --> 01:29:48,500 for us to change the world. 1657 01:29:48,583 --> 01:29:50,792 ♪ ♪ 1658 01:29:50,875 --> 01:29:54,166 If I was at school, it was hard to focus on the work 1659 01:29:54,250 --> 01:29:57,625 'cause it was like, when I got off of school, when I got home, 1660 01:29:57,709 --> 01:30:00,291 I was gonna get on the phone with Michael Jackson. 1661 01:30:01,667 --> 01:30:03,750 He used to call me Apple Head. 1662 01:30:03,834 --> 01:30:08,208 Um, I would call him Apple Head sometimes. 1663 01:30:08,291 --> 01:30:11,333 And then he started calling me Little One. 1664 01:30:11,417 --> 01:30:15,625 I don't know where it came from, but that became my... 1665 01:30:15,709 --> 01:30:18,625 my name from him, Little One. 1666 01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:23,709 It came with a song that he would sing to me, 1667 01:30:23,792 --> 01:30:26,166 like this kind of lullaby. 1668 01:30:27,041 --> 01:30:30,667 ♪ Has anyone seen my Little One? ♪ 1669 01:30:33,208 --> 01:30:34,750 And then he would sing, 1670 01:30:34,834 --> 01:30:37,125 ♪ My Little One is here ♪ 1671 01:30:37,875 --> 01:30:38,917 Yep. 1672 01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,333 I mean, it just felt, um... 1673 01:30:43,083 --> 01:30:45,208 really, uh, cozy. 1674 01:30:45,291 --> 01:30:46,917 It felt really endearing. 1675 01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,041 ♪ ♪ 1676 01:30:54,458 --> 01:30:58,750 And at some point, we got a fax machine, 1677 01:30:58,834 --> 01:31:01,709 so we could communicate more. 1678 01:31:01,792 --> 01:31:04,166 If I'm not mistaken, I think he bought it. 1679 01:31:04,250 --> 01:31:07,083 So, we were still having these really long conversations, 1680 01:31:07,166 --> 01:31:09,834 but then now, there would be these constant faxes, 1681 01:31:09,917 --> 01:31:12,333 back and forth, you know, I love you, Wade. 1682 01:31:12,417 --> 01:31:14,041 I love you, Little One. 1683 01:31:14,125 --> 01:31:15,834 My best friend forever and... 1684 01:31:15,917 --> 01:31:19,041 all kinds of stuff like that, and I would send stuff back, 1685 01:31:19,125 --> 01:31:21,291 telling him how much I loved him. 1686 01:31:21,375 --> 01:31:24,583 ♪ ♪ 1687 01:31:32,250 --> 01:31:34,375 ♪ ♪ 1688 01:31:46,500 --> 01:31:48,250 Stephanie: We'd get home, and the whole living room 1689 01:31:48,333 --> 01:31:52,417 would be filled faxes, like, all over the floor, everywhere. 1690 01:31:54,041 --> 01:31:57,166 I felt like he and I had a relationship 1691 01:31:57,250 --> 01:32:00,208 outside of his relationship with Wade. 1692 01:32:01,083 --> 01:32:05,041 I felt like we had something quite separate. 1693 01:32:06,834 --> 01:32:11,000 I guess like a brother or a really close friend. 1694 01:32:11,083 --> 01:32:14,792 He'd get really lonely, and we'd talk about that. 1695 01:32:15,875 --> 01:32:18,834 Michael, he used to ring her all the time. 1696 01:32:18,917 --> 01:32:23,166 He was forever ever ringing her and talking to her. 1697 01:32:23,250 --> 01:32:27,792 She turned her life upside down because of Michael. 1698 01:32:29,500 --> 01:32:31,917 Wade: This separate relationship 1699 01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,250 with Mom began. 1700 01:32:34,917 --> 01:32:37,166 I don't remember him ever explicitly saying, 1701 01:32:37,250 --> 01:32:38,875 "Say hi to Dennis." It would be like-- 1702 01:32:38,959 --> 01:32:40,375 That's my Dad's name. 1703 01:32:40,458 --> 01:32:42,834 It would be either the siblings or 1704 01:32:42,917 --> 01:32:46,000 "Say hi to the family," you know. 1705 01:32:46,083 --> 01:32:48,625 -(applause) -("Thriller" cover playing) 1706 01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:52,875 He sent me back with some memorabilia, 1707 01:32:52,959 --> 01:32:56,709 like clothing of his that I could wear. 1708 01:32:56,792 --> 01:32:58,750 -("Smooth Criminal" playing) -He gave me the hat, 1709 01:32:58,834 --> 01:33:01,166 the white fedora hat that he wore in 1710 01:33:01,250 --> 01:33:03,250 the "Smooth Criminal" music video. 1711 01:33:03,834 --> 01:33:06,166 I was just looking at this, and he said, "Do you want it?" 1712 01:33:06,250 --> 01:33:10,583 And I said, "If you wanna give it to me," and I said "Sure." 1713 01:33:10,667 --> 01:33:13,083 -(laughter) -And, um, 1714 01:33:13,166 --> 01:33:17,667 He-- This is the actual hat he used in the "Smooth Criminal" clip, 1715 01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:20,041 and it's still got his makeup on it. 1716 01:33:20,125 --> 01:33:22,208 -See? -Host: On the top here, yeah. 1717 01:33:22,291 --> 01:33:25,625 Just put it on, let's see how you look in it. Let's see how... 1718 01:33:25,709 --> 01:33:28,583 -Hey. Hey, that's pretty cool. -(audience laughs) 1719 01:33:28,667 --> 01:33:29,792 That's pretty cool. 1720 01:33:29,875 --> 01:33:31,709 Wade: And he gave me the gloves 1721 01:33:31,792 --> 01:33:36,041 that he wore in the "Bad" music video, sort of buckled gloves. 1722 01:33:36,125 --> 01:33:38,917 So, I used to wear those now when I'd perform. 1723 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,375 My whole life was focused on him 1724 01:33:42,458 --> 01:33:45,125 and leading towards him. 1725 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:50,583 This kind of fantasy began for me that... 1726 01:33:50,667 --> 01:33:54,083 that like, pretty soon, I was gonna end up living with him. 1727 01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:56,625 You know, that I would kind of be with him, 1728 01:33:56,709 --> 01:34:00,125 like a father and son, for the rest of my life. 1729 01:34:00,208 --> 01:34:04,041 Basically, we were in limbo waiting to come back. 1730 01:34:04,583 --> 01:34:07,208 And it took quite some time before he actually 1731 01:34:07,291 --> 01:34:09,625 got around to bringing us back again. 1732 01:34:09,709 --> 01:34:11,792 He was doing a photo shoot, 1733 01:34:11,875 --> 01:34:16,583 a campaign for his new shoes for LA Gear. 1734 01:34:16,667 --> 01:34:20,458 ♪ ♪ 1735 01:34:20,542 --> 01:34:22,667 And he saw that as a great opportunity 1736 01:34:22,750 --> 01:34:26,041 to bring me out and to put me in the campaign. 1737 01:34:27,041 --> 01:34:30,583 So, my mother removed me out of school. 1738 01:34:30,667 --> 01:34:32,667 It turned into a six-week trip. 1739 01:34:32,750 --> 01:34:36,959 Our flights and everything were paid for. 1740 01:34:44,417 --> 01:34:47,709 Los Angeles was Michael Jackson for me. 1741 01:34:48,750 --> 01:34:52,667 And just being so excited to be back in 1742 01:34:52,750 --> 01:34:55,500 what felt like, already, home, 1743 01:34:55,583 --> 01:34:59,542 like, where I'm supposed to be, here and with him. 1744 01:35:01,083 --> 01:35:04,583 Also, anticipating 1745 01:35:04,667 --> 01:35:08,083 the physical contact again. 1746 01:35:08,917 --> 01:35:11,750 The sexual contact, 1747 01:35:11,834 --> 01:35:16,875 because that had become so... 1748 01:35:16,959 --> 01:35:22,208 intertwined with what our relationship was 1749 01:35:22,291 --> 01:35:24,709 and what our love was. 1750 01:35:24,792 --> 01:35:28,000 ♪ ♪ 1751 01:35:34,083 --> 01:35:38,834 Joy: I have some really, really happy memories from Neverland. 1752 01:35:39,625 --> 01:35:41,166 We'd drive in, 1753 01:35:41,250 --> 01:35:44,083 and forget about everything that was going on in your life, 1754 01:35:44,166 --> 01:35:46,000 forget about all your problems. 1755 01:35:46,083 --> 01:35:48,750 You were in Neverland. 1756 01:35:48,834 --> 01:35:50,917 It was a fantasy. 1757 01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:54,333 He and Wade would avoid me. 1758 01:35:54,417 --> 01:35:56,250 I could tell they were avoiding me. 1759 01:35:56,333 --> 01:35:59,250 You know, and it's a big place. It's 2,700 acres, 1760 01:35:59,333 --> 01:36:01,125 and they'd take off for the day, 1761 01:36:01,208 --> 01:36:04,250 and I'd spend all day looking for them. Couldn't find them. 1762 01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,208 So, I spent a lot of time alone there, playing with the chimps. 1763 01:36:08,291 --> 01:36:11,500 We became good friends. (chuckles) 1764 01:36:13,125 --> 01:36:14,792 Wade: We were back and forth throughout the trip 1765 01:36:14,875 --> 01:36:19,250 between Neverland and the Hideout in Westwood. 1766 01:36:19,333 --> 01:36:21,709 But, you know, my mother being in a different room, 1767 01:36:21,792 --> 01:36:24,792 and Michael and I sleeping in his bed. 1768 01:36:24,875 --> 01:36:28,041 ♪ ♪ 1769 01:36:28,125 --> 01:36:30,917 The sexual contact continued 1770 01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,333 every night we were together. 1771 01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:39,125 I guess it sort of became a routine, 1772 01:36:39,208 --> 01:36:43,458 masturbating, the oral sex, both sides, 1773 01:36:43,542 --> 01:36:45,166 and the touching, and the fondling, 1774 01:36:45,250 --> 01:36:47,750 and the gyrating, and the kissing. 1775 01:36:49,041 --> 01:36:51,041 Me bending over with the masturbation, 1776 01:36:51,125 --> 01:36:52,959 and the tongue and all that. 1777 01:36:53,041 --> 01:36:57,417 And then one of the kind of newer things that started to happen 1778 01:36:57,500 --> 01:37:02,709 was he started to show me some pornography. 1779 01:37:03,667 --> 01:37:08,917 Pretty graphic, heterosexual porn, um, 1780 01:37:10,041 --> 01:37:12,125 you know, oral sex, 1781 01:37:12,208 --> 01:37:13,875 full penetration, 1782 01:37:13,959 --> 01:37:15,792 uh, anal stuff. 1783 01:37:15,875 --> 01:37:19,542 It seemed like he liked it, that Michael liked it, 1784 01:37:19,625 --> 01:37:21,875 so I wanted to like it. 1785 01:37:21,959 --> 01:37:25,291 ♪ ♪ 1786 01:37:25,375 --> 01:37:29,750 It was the first time he showed me some video porn. 1787 01:37:31,125 --> 01:37:33,417 And this was, you know, full oral sex, 1788 01:37:33,500 --> 01:37:35,166 and ejaculation 1789 01:37:35,250 --> 01:37:39,041 in the mouth, on the face, all that stuff. Full graphic. 1790 01:37:39,792 --> 01:37:43,291 I remember that affecting me internally 1791 01:37:43,375 --> 01:37:47,500 even more than the photographic porn. 1792 01:37:47,583 --> 01:37:50,834 I remember that feeling in my stomach being really heavy, 1793 01:37:50,917 --> 01:37:52,959 like a nervousness. 1794 01:37:55,625 --> 01:37:58,834 I just didn't really know how to deal with it, you know? 1795 01:37:58,917 --> 01:38:00,542 So, it was... 1796 01:38:00,625 --> 01:38:04,375 again, like, him pulling back the curtain 1797 01:38:04,458 --> 01:38:07,709 on this whole other universe, 1798 01:38:07,792 --> 01:38:10,625 but this one wasn't so fun, you know? 1799 01:38:13,667 --> 01:38:15,917 I was seven, you know? 1800 01:38:18,917 --> 01:38:22,917 He just came across as a loving, caring, kind soul. 1801 01:38:24,333 --> 01:38:25,875 So... 1802 01:38:25,959 --> 01:38:30,125 it was easy to believe that he was just that. 1803 01:38:31,917 --> 01:38:35,041 Wade: It was coming to... time for us to leave, 1804 01:38:35,125 --> 01:38:36,583 to go back to Australia, 1805 01:38:36,667 --> 01:38:39,583 and I was at the Hideout 1806 01:38:39,667 --> 01:38:41,917 with Michael in Westwood. 1807 01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,291 Joy: And Michael said to me, 1808 01:38:45,375 --> 01:38:47,667 "Will you leave Little One 1809 01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:49,750 with me for a year?" 1810 01:38:49,834 --> 01:38:52,583 I was on board with this. 1811 01:38:52,667 --> 01:38:54,542 I wanted to. Are you kidding me? 1812 01:38:54,625 --> 01:38:56,750 Like, be able to live with him for a year? 1813 01:38:56,834 --> 01:39:00,500 That's like the most incredible idea I'd ever heard. 1814 01:39:01,166 --> 01:39:04,083 I was stunned, and said, 1815 01:39:04,166 --> 01:39:06,166 "Absolutely not." 1816 01:39:06,250 --> 01:39:09,417 He said, you know, "I would do wonders for his career. 1817 01:39:09,500 --> 01:39:10,959 "I could work with him. 1818 01:39:11,041 --> 01:39:14,041 "We could do so much together. It would be absolutely wonderful 1819 01:39:14,125 --> 01:39:15,750 for him to stay here with me." 1820 01:39:15,834 --> 01:39:18,625 I said, "Michael, he's my child. He's seven years old. 1821 01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:20,709 I am not gonna leave him with you." 1822 01:39:20,792 --> 01:39:22,834 And a sort of, like... 1823 01:39:23,792 --> 01:39:27,125 a tug of war started between Mom and Michael. 1824 01:39:27,208 --> 01:39:29,875 We went through this for a couple of hours, 1825 01:39:29,959 --> 01:39:34,959 where I tried to explain to him that it wasn't going to happen. 1826 01:39:35,041 --> 01:39:37,834 And after it was all over, he looked at me and he said, 1827 01:39:37,917 --> 01:39:40,417 "I always get what I want." 1828 01:39:42,041 --> 01:39:44,500 And I said, "Not this time." 1829 01:39:45,125 --> 01:39:47,625 I said, "I will share Wade with you, 1830 01:39:47,709 --> 01:39:50,542 but I am not going to leave him with you." 1831 01:39:50,625 --> 01:39:52,583 Michael asked... 1832 01:39:53,458 --> 01:39:56,542 like, "Well, okay, then you've gotta let me... 1833 01:39:57,792 --> 01:40:00,166 "have him for, you know, 1834 01:40:00,250 --> 01:40:02,959 "four or five more days, a few more days, 1835 01:40:03,041 --> 01:40:07,458 "to prepare him to leave." 1836 01:40:07,542 --> 01:40:11,750 I remember at some point getting a phone call and, uh... 1837 01:40:12,583 --> 01:40:15,625 Mom saying, "Oh, we're gonna stay longer." You know? 1838 01:40:16,291 --> 01:40:18,417 And I was like, what the hell is going on? 1839 01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:20,333 You know, pretty... 1840 01:40:20,417 --> 01:40:23,000 kind of disturbing when your mom and brother just, 1841 01:40:23,083 --> 01:40:25,250 you don't know when they're gonna come back. 1842 01:40:25,709 --> 01:40:27,917 He really amped up... 1843 01:40:30,041 --> 01:40:33,583 the dialogue and the lectures about... 1844 01:40:35,625 --> 01:40:38,709 being strong and being... 1845 01:40:38,792 --> 01:40:42,709 learning to shelve my feelings. 1846 01:40:42,792 --> 01:40:45,667 He always said that. "You gotta learn to shelve your feelings, 1847 01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:48,166 so you're not vulnerable." 1848 01:40:48,250 --> 01:40:52,875 In hindsight, I know, I mean, just how much of my life, 1849 01:40:52,959 --> 01:40:57,125 in every way shape or form, that affected, you know? 1850 01:40:57,208 --> 01:40:59,083 Hello, Wade. 1851 01:40:59,166 --> 01:41:01,291 Congratulations, Little One. 1852 01:41:01,375 --> 01:41:03,333 Today is your birthday. 1853 01:41:03,417 --> 01:41:05,000 I don't celebrate birthdays, of course, 1854 01:41:05,083 --> 01:41:08,583 but I thought I would take this moment to say congratulations 1855 01:41:08,667 --> 01:41:10,583 on the day that you were born, 1856 01:41:10,667 --> 01:41:12,583 and in my opinion, you should spend this day 1857 01:41:12,667 --> 01:41:15,291 with your mother and your father, who conceived you, 1858 01:41:15,375 --> 01:41:17,583 and you should be giving them the presents, 1859 01:41:17,667 --> 01:41:21,333 uh, and being thankful that they brought you into the world. 1860 01:41:21,417 --> 01:41:25,250 And the future is yours and you can do whatever you want. 1861 01:41:25,333 --> 01:41:27,542 So, congratulations. 1862 01:41:27,625 --> 01:41:29,667 I love you. Goodbye. 1863 01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:33,000 ♪ ♪ 1864 01:41:34,792 --> 01:41:37,375 Wade: Things started to... 1865 01:41:38,291 --> 01:41:41,041 change with my father. 1866 01:41:41,125 --> 01:41:42,500 My consciousness was just 1867 01:41:42,583 --> 01:41:45,417 so full with Michael that there was 1868 01:41:45,500 --> 01:41:49,875 less and less of my attention and consciousness for my dad. 1869 01:41:52,166 --> 01:41:55,500 Joy: He enjoyed what Wade was doing. He loved it. 1870 01:41:55,583 --> 01:41:59,375 And I think he would've liked to have been more of a part of it, too, 1871 01:41:59,458 --> 01:42:01,709 but I think I sort of pushed him out. 1872 01:42:01,792 --> 01:42:04,083 Wade was doing a lot in Australia, 1873 01:42:04,166 --> 01:42:06,291 and I was more or less managing 1874 01:42:06,375 --> 01:42:09,250 what he was doing there, and I enjoyed that. 1875 01:42:09,333 --> 01:42:12,291 And it just took us into a different world, 1876 01:42:12,375 --> 01:42:15,208 and Dennis was sort of excluded from it. 1877 01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,250 So, it did affect the marriage. 1878 01:42:21,834 --> 01:42:23,750 Lorraine: Dennis was always there in the background, 1879 01:42:23,834 --> 01:42:26,125 and he went to it as much as he could, 1880 01:42:26,208 --> 01:42:30,375 but being in business, it was hard for him always to be away. 1881 01:42:30,458 --> 01:42:32,709 She put Wade first, 1882 01:42:32,792 --> 01:42:35,709 taking him to places where he danced. 1883 01:42:35,792 --> 01:42:38,250 It was a big thing for her. 1884 01:42:38,333 --> 01:42:41,875 Wade: My mother and his relationship 1885 01:42:41,959 --> 01:42:44,291 was changing. 1886 01:42:44,375 --> 01:42:47,917 Over the next year or so, 1887 01:42:50,625 --> 01:42:53,417 he started having all sorts of, um... 1888 01:42:56,166 --> 01:42:58,834 I don't know, emotional trouble 1889 01:42:58,917 --> 01:43:00,917 and anxieties. 1890 01:43:02,125 --> 01:43:06,417 And he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. 1891 01:43:06,959 --> 01:43:09,542 I have memories of my dad fighting with my mom, 1892 01:43:09,625 --> 01:43:12,709 and I remember my dad at one point saying, 1893 01:43:12,792 --> 01:43:15,250 you know, "You're talking to lawyers, 1894 01:43:15,333 --> 01:43:17,667 and you're trying to get out of here. I know you are." 1895 01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:20,917 -(music playing) -Host: Wade J. Robson! 1896 01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:21,917 (cheering) 1897 01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:23,583 Joy: Wade had been working 1898 01:43:23,667 --> 01:43:24,959 pretty regularly in Australia, 1899 01:43:25,041 --> 01:43:29,333 but there was only just so far he could go there. 1900 01:43:29,417 --> 01:43:31,250 He could be the big fish in the small pond, 1901 01:43:31,333 --> 01:43:33,792 but I felt if he was really going to succeed, 1902 01:43:33,875 --> 01:43:37,250 he needed to move to the United States. 1903 01:43:38,917 --> 01:43:42,125 ♪ ♪ 1904 01:43:45,250 --> 01:43:48,041 Wade: So, this was happening 1905 01:43:48,125 --> 01:43:50,208 at the same time that 1906 01:43:50,291 --> 01:43:55,375 my father's, kind of, mental and emotional health 1907 01:43:55,458 --> 01:43:57,458 was really declining. 1908 01:44:01,458 --> 01:44:04,667 His mood being more unpredictable. 1909 01:44:04,750 --> 01:44:07,750 It's like he was just like drifting 1910 01:44:07,834 --> 01:44:10,166 further and further away from me. 1911 01:44:11,583 --> 01:44:15,500 Shane: It kind of became like the Wade and Mom Show. 1912 01:44:15,583 --> 01:44:19,458 That's when I really noticed Dad starting to go downhill, 1913 01:44:19,542 --> 01:44:22,041 you know, with his mental state. 1914 01:44:22,125 --> 01:44:24,166 ♪ ♪ 1915 01:44:24,250 --> 01:44:28,750 She definitely was not the mom that I grew up with at that point. 1916 01:44:28,834 --> 01:44:34,166 She was very determined to go on this, this new life. 1917 01:44:35,834 --> 01:44:38,959 It wasn't so much about the family anymore. 1918 01:44:39,041 --> 01:44:41,083 You know, it was about... 1919 01:44:41,166 --> 01:44:45,250 getting over there, starting this new opportunity for... 1920 01:44:45,333 --> 01:44:47,583 for Wade, which, you know, 1921 01:44:47,667 --> 01:44:50,750 in reality was opportunity for Mom as well. 1922 01:44:50,834 --> 01:44:54,000 And when I kind of look at things in perspective, 1923 01:44:54,083 --> 01:44:56,083 it was probably Mom's chance, 1924 01:44:56,166 --> 01:44:59,792 the easiest way for her to, maybe, get out of her marriage. 1925 01:44:59,875 --> 01:45:02,333 And I had a diary that had a... 1926 01:45:02,417 --> 01:45:05,625 just a quote for every day. 1927 01:45:05,709 --> 01:45:08,250 And it said something like, "Today is the first day 1928 01:45:08,333 --> 01:45:10,625 of the rest of your life," something like that. 1929 01:45:10,709 --> 01:45:12,959 And suddenly I thought, you know what, I'm just gonna go. 1930 01:45:13,041 --> 01:45:15,709 I'm not gonna wait any longer. 1931 01:45:15,792 --> 01:45:19,125 Lorraine: Michael, he encouraged her to go over there. 1932 01:45:19,208 --> 01:45:21,041 Yes, it was his decision. 1933 01:45:21,125 --> 01:45:23,709 He made the arrangements for where they could stay 1934 01:45:23,792 --> 01:45:26,875 when they got there. He did all that. 1935 01:45:26,959 --> 01:45:28,667 And, uh... 1936 01:45:28,750 --> 01:45:31,000 Yes, he was to blame. 1937 01:45:32,208 --> 01:45:34,417 He's to blame for a lot of things 1938 01:45:34,500 --> 01:45:36,709 that happened in our life. 1939 01:45:40,417 --> 01:45:41,834 Chantal: I had a choice, 1940 01:45:41,917 --> 01:45:45,250 but it was sort of obvious that I was going with my mom. 1941 01:45:45,875 --> 01:45:50,542 And I remember my dad just saying, "Please don't leave," to me. 1942 01:45:50,625 --> 01:45:53,125 (sniffles) And... 1943 01:45:53,208 --> 01:45:56,000 he said, "Please don't go. Stay with me." 1944 01:45:56,083 --> 01:45:59,500 And I remember saying, "Dad, just don't ask me that." 1945 01:45:59,583 --> 01:46:02,250 Like, "Dad, don't... don't make me choose." 1946 01:46:02,333 --> 01:46:04,750 Like, that it was just obvious 1947 01:46:04,834 --> 01:46:07,333 that I was going with Mom, you know? 1948 01:46:07,417 --> 01:46:12,458 Wade: Beyond whatever was going on with him mentally, 1949 01:46:12,542 --> 01:46:16,208 almost his whole family was about to leave him. 1950 01:46:16,291 --> 01:46:18,834 I'm sure, for my father, 1951 01:46:18,917 --> 01:46:22,125 it felt like, you know, there's no way... 1952 01:46:22,208 --> 01:46:24,959 (sniffles) we're ever coming back. 1953 01:46:26,583 --> 01:46:28,750 ♪ ♪ 1954 01:46:35,125 --> 01:46:39,834 Shane: I used to have dreams or nightmares of my family dying. 1955 01:46:39,917 --> 01:46:43,041 And I remember going to Brisbane Airport. 1956 01:46:43,125 --> 01:46:47,083 I remember my... my grandmother, my Mom's mom, 1957 01:46:47,166 --> 01:46:49,542 like, standing at the window. 1958 01:46:49,625 --> 01:46:52,625 She was just, like, moaning and crying. 1959 01:46:54,792 --> 01:46:59,125 Lorraine: I remember being at the airport with Dennis. 1960 01:46:59,959 --> 01:47:04,041 It was so sad to see them all going on the plane, 1961 01:47:04,125 --> 01:47:08,041 knowing that they-- we wouldn't just be able to... 1962 01:47:08,125 --> 01:47:12,000 pick up our bag, and go and visit them. 1963 01:47:12,083 --> 01:47:15,375 No. Yeah, it was sad. 1964 01:47:16,375 --> 01:47:19,458 Shane (crying): Dad was just... 1965 01:47:19,542 --> 01:47:21,959 I think he was crying, but he was just-- 1966 01:47:22,041 --> 01:47:24,500 he wasn't really there. 1967 01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:26,834 Yeah. 1968 01:47:27,792 --> 01:47:28,917 (sighs) 1969 01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,375 Yeah, that was a tough day. 1970 01:47:32,834 --> 01:47:34,750 ♪ ♪ 1971 01:47:34,834 --> 01:47:36,834 You know, they were excited. They were going off on... 1972 01:47:36,917 --> 01:47:39,333 on a big adventure, so... 1973 01:47:41,375 --> 01:47:43,750 Yeah, I guess that was really, like, 1974 01:47:43,834 --> 01:47:46,667 the end of the family. Yeah. 1975 01:47:49,917 --> 01:47:51,375 (sighs) 1976 01:47:59,041 --> 01:48:00,834 Sorry. 1977 01:48:00,917 --> 01:48:02,000 (sniffles) 1978 01:48:02,083 --> 01:48:04,583 Joy: I left my eldest son Shane, 1979 01:48:06,250 --> 01:48:08,792 my husband, my parents, 1980 01:48:08,875 --> 01:48:11,625 two brothers, cousins, 1981 01:48:11,709 --> 01:48:13,250 big family. 1982 01:48:15,083 --> 01:48:17,375 And, funny, at the time, 1983 01:48:18,625 --> 01:48:20,709 I really did not think 1984 01:48:20,792 --> 01:48:23,125 about any of the long-term ramifications. 1985 01:48:23,208 --> 01:48:26,041 I was so caught up in everything. 1986 01:48:27,083 --> 01:48:30,250 I remember my father looking me in the eye at the airport, 1987 01:48:30,333 --> 01:48:32,667 and he said, "Have you lost your mind?" 1988 01:48:32,750 --> 01:48:35,792 And that has stayed with me for 26 years, 1989 01:48:35,875 --> 01:48:38,625 'cause there's many times I look back and think, 1990 01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:40,875 yes, I think I had. 1991 01:48:40,959 --> 01:48:44,250 ♪ ♪ 1992 01:49:01,250 --> 01:49:05,250 Wade: You know, I definitely had some sort of... 1993 01:49:06,458 --> 01:49:10,125 idea in my head of 1994 01:49:10,208 --> 01:49:14,500 the way... this was all gonna go down 1995 01:49:14,583 --> 01:49:16,417 once we moved to Los Angeles, 1996 01:49:16,500 --> 01:49:20,333 that it really was going to be life with Michael. 1997 01:49:20,417 --> 01:49:22,875 ♪ ♪ 1998 01:49:22,959 --> 01:49:27,375 So, I remember being shocked 1999 01:49:27,458 --> 01:49:30,041 when the first place we went to live 2000 01:49:30,125 --> 01:49:32,709 was like in Oakwood Apartments, 2001 01:49:32,792 --> 01:49:36,458 which is kind of like a part-time residence sort of thing. 2002 01:49:38,375 --> 01:49:40,834 And it was... 2003 01:49:42,166 --> 01:49:45,041 at least a week, maybe a couple of weeks, 2004 01:49:45,125 --> 01:49:48,333 after we moved before I saw Michael. 2005 01:49:50,041 --> 01:49:53,208 And that was really hard for me. 2006 01:49:53,291 --> 01:49:57,083 Here I was, in this new place, in America, and in Los Angeles, 2007 01:49:57,166 --> 01:49:59,875 but now it's like we were alone. 2008 01:50:02,333 --> 01:50:05,250 Joy: I knew straightaway that things were different. 2009 01:50:05,333 --> 01:50:09,917 First up, when we got there, they said that the Oakwood had not been paid for. 2010 01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,500 I needed to give them a credit card. 2011 01:50:12,583 --> 01:50:14,709 And I'm like, "No." 2012 01:50:14,792 --> 01:50:16,667 They said, "Well, you have to give me a credit card 2013 01:50:16,750 --> 01:50:18,917 till we can sort it out tonight." 2014 01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:21,083 And that was unusual for them. 2015 01:50:21,166 --> 01:50:23,542 They usually had us pretty well looked after. 2016 01:50:23,625 --> 01:50:26,542 Michael had talked about bringing him 2017 01:50:26,625 --> 01:50:28,458 to do the "Black or White" video. 2018 01:50:28,542 --> 01:50:32,291 And then they called and said, "We're going to rent you a car, 2019 01:50:32,375 --> 01:50:35,000 so that you can drive yourself to the studios," 2020 01:50:35,083 --> 01:50:38,250 which was unusual as well. 2021 01:50:39,709 --> 01:50:43,458 Um... And then, when we got to the studios to do this, 2022 01:50:43,542 --> 01:50:45,291 then we realized why. 2023 01:50:45,375 --> 01:50:47,709 ("Black or White" playing) 2024 01:50:49,542 --> 01:50:51,417 Wade: I believe the first time 2025 01:50:51,500 --> 01:50:54,542 we saw each other after we moved 2026 01:50:54,625 --> 01:50:57,000 was his "Black or White" music video, 2027 01:50:57,083 --> 01:50:58,709 which I was gonna dance in. 2028 01:51:00,875 --> 01:51:04,083 That experience was really hard for me. 2029 01:51:04,166 --> 01:51:06,834 (music blaring) 2030 01:51:06,917 --> 01:51:09,625 Turn that noise off! 2031 01:51:09,709 --> 01:51:12,291 Wade: This was the first time 2032 01:51:12,375 --> 01:51:15,583 I came up against the new friend, 2033 01:51:15,667 --> 01:51:17,583 Macaulay Culkin. 2034 01:51:18,375 --> 01:51:21,000 Macaulay was where I was, 2035 01:51:21,083 --> 01:51:23,834 you know, on my previous trips. 2036 01:51:23,917 --> 01:51:27,625 Right by Michael's side, every moment. 2037 01:51:27,709 --> 01:51:29,125 (door slams) 2038 01:51:29,208 --> 01:51:30,458 (glass shatters) 2039 01:51:32,917 --> 01:51:34,667 Okay. 2040 01:51:34,750 --> 01:51:39,417 Wade: And now, I was kind of on the sideline, as far as... 2041 01:51:39,500 --> 01:51:41,333 being Michael's friend, 2042 01:51:41,417 --> 01:51:43,125 you know, and being his favorite, 2043 01:51:43,208 --> 01:51:47,208 and that was really confusing. 2044 01:51:49,041 --> 01:51:51,250 What did I do wrong? 2045 01:51:51,333 --> 01:51:55,333 Like, he and Michael had all of the connection 2046 01:51:55,417 --> 01:51:59,041 and kind of secret things that 2047 01:51:59,125 --> 01:52:01,000 Michael and I had before. 2048 01:52:01,083 --> 01:52:03,542 Like, I could recognize that. 2049 01:52:03,625 --> 01:52:06,000 So, there was definitely a lot of, there was jealousy 2050 01:52:06,083 --> 01:52:09,041 from me. I mean, hurt, confusion. 2051 01:52:09,125 --> 01:52:11,500 Joy: It was very obvious to me 2052 01:52:11,583 --> 01:52:14,500 that Macaulay had taken Wade's place in Michael's 2053 01:52:14,583 --> 01:52:16,875 "best friend" category. 2054 01:52:17,458 --> 01:52:21,792 So, that was very hurtful, it broke Wade's heart. 2055 01:52:21,875 --> 01:52:26,291 But it made me realize that if things were gonna happen, 2056 01:52:26,375 --> 01:52:29,625 we have to get busy and do it ourselves. 2057 01:52:30,667 --> 01:52:34,083 ♪ ♪ 2058 01:52:36,792 --> 01:52:40,667 (kids shouting playfully) 2059 01:52:40,750 --> 01:52:43,959 James: By then, I wasn't really hanging around him much. 2060 01:52:44,041 --> 01:52:47,500 It was more like he would call every few months. 2061 01:52:49,166 --> 01:52:54,333 At Neverland, we were able to go up whenever we wanted. 2062 01:52:54,417 --> 01:52:56,542 And then we'd be able to go up, 2063 01:52:56,625 --> 01:53:00,250 and they'd have all the cooks and everybody there. 2064 01:53:00,333 --> 01:53:02,834 So, it was like our sort of vacation home. 2065 01:53:02,917 --> 01:53:05,625 Thank you! Cool! 2066 01:53:08,834 --> 01:53:10,625 Brian! Thanks. 2067 01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:12,834 -Brian: Happy birthday! -Thanks. 2068 01:53:15,166 --> 01:53:19,166 And at the same time, he started introducing alcohol. 2069 01:53:21,875 --> 01:53:23,792 ♪ ♪ 2070 01:53:23,875 --> 01:53:27,959 Michael also had a place in Century City, 2071 01:53:28,041 --> 01:53:29,792 near the Avenue of the Stars. 2072 01:53:29,875 --> 01:53:33,000 So, you'd go over for the weekend, 2073 01:53:33,083 --> 01:53:35,291 and he'd buy a big jug of wine, 2074 01:53:35,375 --> 01:53:38,875 and I remember getting really drunk. 2075 01:53:39,875 --> 01:53:41,583 I was falling over. 2076 01:53:41,667 --> 01:53:45,333 And he would put porn on, like, in the bathtub. 2077 01:53:45,417 --> 01:53:47,959 He had these little TVs, and you could watch... 2078 01:53:48,041 --> 01:53:50,834 you could watch porn wherever you wanted. 2079 01:53:50,917 --> 01:53:53,583 Porn and candy, that was... 2080 01:53:55,625 --> 01:53:57,542 (inhales) 2081 01:53:57,625 --> 01:53:59,500 That's what he had. 2082 01:54:03,417 --> 01:54:06,500 It got more dirty sexual, 2083 01:54:06,583 --> 01:54:09,959 rather than, like, friends who were, 2084 01:54:10,041 --> 01:54:11,834 like, touching each other. 2085 01:54:11,917 --> 01:54:15,208 That was probably because I was getting 2086 01:54:15,291 --> 01:54:17,917 to be a teenager. 2087 01:54:19,333 --> 01:54:23,291 Like, he wanted to do some anal. 2088 01:54:24,291 --> 01:54:26,375 He put his finger... 2089 01:54:26,458 --> 01:54:30,250 inside me, and I didn't like it at all. 2090 01:54:31,417 --> 01:54:32,583 Um... 2091 01:54:33,583 --> 01:54:36,250 So, he kind of backed off on that. 2092 01:54:38,125 --> 01:54:42,000 I think I was just like, kind of wincing and... 2093 01:54:42,083 --> 01:54:44,125 I was asking him not to do it, 2094 01:54:44,208 --> 01:54:47,417 but he did it, and he said, "Oh, you'll like it." 2095 01:54:48,959 --> 01:54:51,250 But we continued with all the other stuff. 2096 01:54:51,333 --> 01:54:54,291 ♪ ♪ 2097 01:54:54,375 --> 01:54:56,667 He was preparing me 2098 01:54:56,750 --> 01:54:59,667 over a long period of time for other kids to enter. 2099 01:55:00,250 --> 01:55:02,041 He would say like, "You're gonna start seeing me 2100 01:55:02,125 --> 01:55:03,917 "with so and so, and... 2101 01:55:04,333 --> 01:55:06,583 that doesn't mean I don't love you." 2102 01:55:06,667 --> 01:55:08,333 We went up for the weekend, 2103 01:55:08,417 --> 01:55:11,208 and Michael showed up with another family 2104 01:55:11,291 --> 01:55:13,542 and a young boy. 2105 01:55:13,625 --> 01:55:14,959 It reminded me of us. 2106 01:55:15,041 --> 01:55:17,500 My husband and I came in and said hi, 2107 01:55:17,583 --> 01:55:19,917 and they were zipped-mouthed, 2108 01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:21,291 just like we were. 2109 01:55:21,375 --> 01:55:25,625 I could tell they had been-- had the talks we had. 2110 01:55:25,709 --> 01:55:27,417 "You don't talk to strangers. 2111 01:55:27,500 --> 01:55:30,667 Everybody wants to be your friend just to get to me." 2112 01:55:30,750 --> 01:55:33,083 So, the people were very standoffish, 2113 01:55:33,166 --> 01:55:35,166 and I thought, we're in Michael's home! 2114 01:55:35,250 --> 01:55:37,625 Jeez, they could be a little friendly. 2115 01:55:37,709 --> 01:55:41,000 ♪ ♪ 2116 01:55:52,792 --> 01:55:54,750 James: There's one particular boy 2117 01:55:54,834 --> 01:55:58,959 who sort of entered and replaced me. 2118 01:55:59,041 --> 01:56:03,500 And so, I saw him grow closer and closer to that boy, 2119 01:56:03,583 --> 01:56:07,417 and I was... pushed out more and more. 2120 01:56:07,500 --> 01:56:10,291 And that was really difficult to handle. 2121 01:56:10,375 --> 01:56:13,875 There was like a lot of jealousy and hurt. 2122 01:56:15,166 --> 01:56:17,375 You're no longer... 2123 01:56:19,917 --> 01:56:21,291 special. 2124 01:56:21,375 --> 01:56:25,291 ♪ ♪ 2125 01:56:25,375 --> 01:56:27,458 One specific night that was really tough, 2126 01:56:27,542 --> 01:56:31,458 and it was at Avenue of the Stars. 2127 01:56:31,542 --> 01:56:34,583 You know, spending the night there and the boy was there. 2128 01:56:36,333 --> 01:56:38,792 The boy would sleep in Michael's room, 2129 01:56:38,875 --> 01:56:41,834 and then I would sleep downstairs on the sofa. 2130 01:56:42,625 --> 01:56:45,083 It was like being cast out. 2131 01:56:45,709 --> 01:56:47,458 And it was... 2132 01:56:47,542 --> 01:56:51,166 It was like a realization that, like, okay, it's... 2133 01:56:51,250 --> 01:56:53,542 I'm not number one. 2134 01:56:54,083 --> 01:56:56,208 And I just wanted to go home. 2135 01:56:56,291 --> 01:56:58,208 And so I cried and cried, 2136 01:56:58,291 --> 01:57:00,500 and I cried out for my mom, 2137 01:57:00,583 --> 01:57:03,583 and I just cried myself to sleep. So, it was like... 2138 01:57:05,125 --> 01:57:08,458 the first night it really hit. 2139 01:57:08,542 --> 01:57:11,667 Michael was my, like, partner, and then he's gone? 2140 01:57:11,750 --> 01:57:14,333 And then, you're not close to anybody else, 2141 01:57:14,417 --> 01:57:17,542 so it's like then, you're just alone. 2142 01:57:17,625 --> 01:57:20,041 And you can't talk to anybody about anything, 2143 01:57:20,125 --> 01:57:23,792 so you just continue to be alone. 2144 01:57:26,792 --> 01:57:30,166 ♪ ♪ 2145 01:57:32,417 --> 01:57:36,917 Wade: I would say, like, in that first year of living in LA, 2146 01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:41,417 that I saw him maybe four to six times, 2147 01:57:41,500 --> 01:57:43,709 either at his Century City apartment 2148 01:57:43,792 --> 01:57:46,625 or back at Neverland. 2149 01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:49,458 The sexual stuff would happen every night. 2150 01:57:49,792 --> 01:57:53,709 So, every time that it was just he and I again, 2151 01:57:53,792 --> 01:57:56,625 and the sexual stuff would happen again, 2152 01:57:56,709 --> 01:57:59,291 like, it made me feel a little better. 2153 01:57:59,375 --> 01:58:01,709 It made me feel like 2154 01:58:01,792 --> 01:58:04,709 that things were okay again, and things were back to normal, 2155 01:58:04,792 --> 01:58:08,750 and that feeling didn't stay for long 2156 01:58:08,834 --> 01:58:14,417 'cause I would keep coming up against scenarios 2157 01:58:14,500 --> 01:58:17,667 where there was another boy. 2158 01:58:18,375 --> 01:58:21,166 Crowd: We love Michael! We love Michael! 2159 01:58:21,250 --> 01:58:23,917 Newsman: They've been waiting for three days to see their hero, 2160 01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:25,917 and when the moment came, it was the type of 2161 01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:30,333 bizarre appearance you'd expect from a man they call Wacko Jacko. 2162 01:58:30,417 --> 01:58:33,125 The pop-star seemed to be playing hide-and-seek. 2163 01:58:33,208 --> 01:58:34,667 (screaming) 2164 01:58:34,750 --> 01:58:37,834 Joined by his traveling companion and nine-year-old cousin, 2165 01:58:37,917 --> 01:58:41,375 he began throwing items to his admirers below. 2166 01:58:41,458 --> 01:58:44,750 Great joy from the 33-year-old multimillionaire 2167 01:58:44,834 --> 01:58:48,083 as youngsters below scrapped for presents from their god. 2168 01:58:48,166 --> 01:58:50,959 During that Dangerous tour, when Michael took 2169 01:58:51,041 --> 01:58:52,792 Brett Barnes on the tour with him... 2170 01:58:52,875 --> 01:58:54,542 ♪ ♪ 2171 01:58:54,625 --> 01:58:57,125 ...Wade had asked to go on the tour, 2172 01:58:57,208 --> 01:58:59,000 and Michael had told him no, he couldn't go 2173 01:58:59,083 --> 01:59:02,625 because he wasn't allowed to take children on this tour. 2174 01:59:02,709 --> 01:59:07,041 And then he saw Brett Barnes with him on television. 2175 01:59:07,125 --> 01:59:09,333 (indistinct chatter) 2176 01:59:09,417 --> 01:59:11,458 Wade: I don't think he liked to mix us. 2177 01:59:11,542 --> 01:59:14,959 I mean, he liked to keep these relationships separate. 2178 01:59:15,041 --> 01:59:18,750 Remember it being particularly hard with Brett because... 2179 01:59:18,834 --> 01:59:21,542 I found out, and I knew, that he was Australian. 2180 01:59:22,375 --> 01:59:24,583 "Oh, it's a new Australian boy," 2181 01:59:24,667 --> 01:59:26,959 I was, like, really feeling replaced. 2182 01:59:27,041 --> 01:59:29,250 (indistinct chatter) 2183 01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:36,750 ♪ ♪ 2184 01:59:40,291 --> 01:59:42,917 Announcer: Please remain seated at all times. 2185 01:59:48,500 --> 01:59:51,208 Joy: Michael had told him that he would call him. 2186 01:59:51,750 --> 01:59:54,000 And he-- that little boy would come home every day 2187 01:59:54,083 --> 01:59:56,458 and sit on the couch, and wait for that phone call. 2188 01:59:56,542 --> 01:59:58,166 It just didn't come, he wasn't calling. 2189 01:59:58,250 --> 02:00:01,041 And it just broke my heart to see 2190 02:00:01,125 --> 02:00:03,709 him waiting for that call. 2191 02:00:06,375 --> 02:00:08,959 Wade: All of the dreams 2192 02:00:09,041 --> 02:00:12,000 and plans that Michael was 2193 02:00:12,083 --> 02:00:16,709 selling me and my mother from... 2194 02:00:16,792 --> 02:00:18,750 you know, day one of that first trip. 2195 02:00:18,834 --> 02:00:22,083 This partnership we were gonna have 2196 02:00:22,166 --> 02:00:25,959 didn't seem to be, like, something that was gonna really happen. 2197 02:00:27,125 --> 02:00:29,959 Joy: After a while, I realized there was a pattern. 2198 02:00:30,041 --> 02:00:34,542 Every 12 months, there was a new boy in his life. 2199 02:00:34,625 --> 02:00:36,667 ♪ ♪ 2200 02:00:57,125 --> 02:00:59,166 ♪ ♪ 2201 02:01:31,166 --> 02:01:33,000 ♪ ♪