[birds sing]
[cockatoo squawks]
[singing in distance]
♪ And the moon, she makes her way... ♪
[singing continues in distance]
[man] Something didn't feel quite right, something was off.
As I was going up here, I clocked that a lot of them
had the same black T-shirt on with the Celtic cross.
There was a large group of men, 30 or 40 around here,
I saw a really young guy just sitting on the rock over there.
[man 2] How young?
No older than 18 years old. He was the youngest of the group.
I can picture him quite clearly... do a Nazi salute, the Sieg Heil.
As I was going up the stairs, I heard them yelling, "White power,"
and, "Power to the white man."
A lot of the people here that day were migrants or first-generation Australians.
- [man on megaphone] Heil victory. - [men chant] Heil victory!
- Heil victory. - [men chant] Heil victory!
- It's an epic setting. - It's a beautiful setting.
A shame it was used for their purposes.
[men chant] Ku Klux Klan! Ku Klux Klan! Ku Klux Klan!
[man] And isn't that very interesting?
That if a bunch of white guys go out to the bush and enjoy nature
and build their community,
build their organisations,
the media, the police, the government treat us
like we're a terrorist organisation for a peaceful assembly.
Of white men. That's how afraid they are of us.
And they're trying to...
[man] I think at the start of this process of researching,
I underestimated
and this might sound naïve, or foolhardy, but...
..the zealotry of these people, just how dangerous some of them are...
These guys are whole-of-life, some of them are whole-of-life neo-Nazis.
[Sewell] We've seen what Jewish power is doing to our society.
Turning their daughters into prostitutes and our sons into trannies and faggots
so that we can't even have the Australian dream anymore...
But we're not a terrorist organisation, we don't advocate for violence.
We fight for God, we fight for our race. We struggle for our people to survive.
[McKenzie] There's no one better known than Tom Sewell
when it comes to the term 'neo-Nazi'.
He's ex-Australian Army, he loves the online spotlight.
And he promotes himself as the leader of the far right movement across Australia.
And so the media report says that we were hailing Hitler,
yes we were hailing Hitler,
we were, Adolf Hitler is the greatest man to have lived in the last 2000 years.
And he spoke out against this tyranny, this Jewish tyranny.
[McKenzie] There's lots of angry white men out there
looking for something to cling to.
And these neo-Nazis say, "Here's your answer."
They genocided us. They're trying to kill us.
And Adolf Hitler tried to warn people against this.
And that's why we hail him as a prophet
so that we don't do this again so that white men don't kill...
What we agree on is that Islam itself was a threat to Western civilisation.
Based off the fact that as a doctrine...
[McKenzie] We can't forget that Tom Sewell and the National Socialist Network
or at least some of its members
look to the Christchurch massacre as inspiration,
and that's why we can't look away.
[man] When he came through and he started shooting,
like, everyone in the mosque, everywhere.
[man 2] I could see people getting shot in the head. Legs, body, shoulders.
I could see my friends getting shot.
You could just see people dying in front of you
and you try to save yourself
and I stood up and see what is exactly happening,
and I could see the carpets going red with blood.
There was multiple dead bodies.
[man 3] 50 people dead.
Their bodies were stacked on top of each other.
[woman] I said in his ears, "don't, don't move. Stay, stay still."
He wanted to save him. He was 21 years old but innocence over.
[woman 2] I just don't understand why someone would hurt us like this
and in such a way - what would you treat us like that?
We've done nothing. Nothing wrong to you.
What terrifies me is that there's people out there that support this
and it pushes their cause even more
and I'm really scared for our future.
I'm terrified.
You advised governments back in the '80s and '90s,
about the danger posed by neo-Nazis.
Compare that danger back then to now, if you can.
All of them seek to build a membership, to cross over
from fringe political activity
into mainstream political activity.
They don't want to live just in the shadows.
They want to exert genuine political power.
Even radical right-wing politicians
and their supporters
have every right to advocate their manifestoes.
But when you can shed a light on the fact
that they are actually trying to subvert democratic process,
when they are,
or more rarely, but still on sufficient occasions
to be a national security concern,
advocating the propagation of violence,
that's something that needs to be exposed to the general public.
So the consideration to put an undercover into this neo-Nazi group,
you've been there before, what would advice would you give?
I would probably advise you not to do it, Nick. [chuckles]
There is a very serious risk
associated with having anybody inside one of these groups
covertly providing information to third parties.
But by their very nature, these groups are conspiratorial.
And have paranoid personalities.
Earlier organisations have actually killed people
that they suspected of being ASIO agents or police informants.
I don't see how fast we can get inside the group,
understand what it's really up to,
unless we've got somebody on the inside,
be it a human source or an undercover.
So, I mean...can it be done safely?
There's always gonna be an element of risk.
[car door opens, closes]
- Dave? - Hey, mate. How you going?
Nick McKenzie. Nice to meet you.
So, thanks for agreeing to catch up and do this.
The purpose of the chat now is to go through how we set this up
and keep you safe.
And get you to build a level of trust inside the group.
I think I just contact them on their website
and tell them I'm an old-school racist.
Just want to stay simple and just going to make contact with them first,
get an invitation to join up with them.
And then I will just play it out from there.
You looked at the group from the outside a little bit,
what's your sense of what they're all about?
I looked him up, Tom Sewell,
he seems to be a very dangerous person.
They hate Jews, any coloured skin,
I haven't come across a group so believing in what they believe in,
so drastic, to hurt somebody.
Someone needs to step in and dissolve this, and bring 'em to justice.
I don't want to say someone bash the first coloured person
just because he's there.
They believe in Jesus Christ, and they believe in God,
they also believe in 'let's go and kill someone'.
[phone chimes]
[Dave] Hello.
Hello?
- Hello. - Hey, mate, how you going?
[man on phone] I'm good. Good to finally talk to you, mate.
Sorry it's taken so long.
Me and Tom have just been so busy over the last few days,
like, as you saw when I messaged you,
we've been in Sydney and stuff.
This call should maybe take about 20 or 25 minutes.
So how did you first off find out about National Socialist Network?
I heard blokes talking about it and so forth in pubs and that, you know?
And I started looking into it.
- Really? You heard about us in a pub? - Yeah, in Shepparton.
Oh, that's awesome.
So how would you describe your political views?
Oh, mate, I reckon I'm practically racist myself,
and I'm an Aussie, Aussie-born,
and now we've got all these other fuckers come into our lives, you know?
Mm.
How did you originally come to our way of thinking?
Been like that for a long time, mate. This is our country.
You see the shit that's going on, these fucking cunts raping our women
and driving around in their fucking posh cars
and just bashing people and doing holdups and armed robberies,
and stealing and wearing their towels around their head,
I just can't handle them, mate.
Mm. Yeah, exactly.
What are your views on homosexuals?
[scoffs] Don't go there, mate.
Fuckin'...it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
[laughs] True. Definitely true.
So what do you think is the main problem that Australia faces?
If there is one biggest problem, what would you say it is?
It's the immigrants, mate. We've gotta put up with them!
They only come here because they get Medicare,
they don't come over here for any other fucking reason.
You come here, it's all laid out in front of you.
Mate, I've got other blokes, we talk about it all the time,
we look at the TV and, "Look at these cunts.
Look at these Sudanese running around fucking Melbourne,
I want Australia to shut the gates.
Yeah, you sound like you'd be well suited to our organisation.
You don't have any views that turn us off. You seem to know what's what.
Good to talk to you, mate.
[Dave] Appreciate it. Great talking to you. I'll wait for your message.
Now we're on our way to go harass A Current Affair at their office.
I seen something on telly last night in relation to you guys.
Yes, well, it's on tonight at 7:00 so just tune in.
- I'm just itching to get cracking, mate. - Yeah, awesome.
- Thank you. - I'll see you later.
Cheers.
[Sewell] So we're out the front of Channel 9 here.
A Current Affair ran a show about us being terrorists.
Our organisation, advocated
for white people in this country, as being terrorists,
they've interviewed many people to discuss us,
but they haven't given us a right of reply,
they didn't contact us, they're not discussing with us,
I was talking to reception to try to speak to one of the editors or producers.
They're not interested in coming out and talking to us.
Alright? Alright. Leave.
Now security has decided to forcibly remove us
and in fact trying to touch our property.
He is coming out again.
I said past that journo line, you film past the journo line.
I don't care what you do past that journo line right over there.
That white line. You can go there and film.
Not in here. Alright?
[bystanders scream]
[woman] Leave him! Leave him alone!
[man] Hey, back off, back off, guys.
[phone line chimes]
- [Dave on phone] Hey, mate, how you going? - [Nick] Yeah, good.
The plan today is if you can get into the headquarters,
just move around, if you can.
- Just look around, shaking hands. - But move through the property.
We want to get a sense of the layout of the headquarters.
We want to get a sense of what they do in what room.
What area they use for training. Who's living where.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Just get to know as many of the guys there as possible.
Introduce yourself to them, get them to introduce themselves to you.
If you can film their faces, we can start to piece together who these guys are.
Yeah, I understand. With phone.
Do your best. Names, numbers, what they do for living.
We think lots of them have gun licenses or are ex-military
but we want to be able to confirm those details.
Yeah, I'll go straight to the top
and then also show a bit of kindness to the weakest one there.
If you have any concerns, obviously, get out.
- Yep, alright. - OK, good luck.
[clapping in distance]
[man] There to there.
When I come around, left hook. So one, two, left hook.
Come back to the centre, and finish with a right cross.
The first one-two's kind of like a one...two.
And when you need a shell, shell. Alright?
- Hey, mate, how you going? - [man] Yeah, good.
You've been enjoying these docs from Amber?
[woman] Yes, you've got him.
- No. - Yes.
OK. Pack up the weights.
I gotta do one more set.
Alright, well do it then.
Oh, how you going? Good to see you, Dave.
[man] Yeah, pretty good, mate.
- What's your name? - Patrick.
What was yours?
[Dave reads over phone]
[bleep]
What?
Yep, yep, I know him.
I was surprised, training-wise, I was surprised at the dedication
that they went to just to build these young blokes up,
they were kids who are only...
They're sloppy, Tom wanted to build them up muscly,
take a look at them and say, "Hey, this is my army."
- "This is my army." - This is my army.
Oh, hello there.
[Kaiser growls]
I was gonna say, that's why I'm not going to touch it.
I kinda wanted to touch it, but I don't.
OK, we won't touch the bone. Don't worry.
Yeah, it's really nice to see how dedicated...
That's right. He's big enough for it.
[man] It just... I didn't realise Hersant was so young.
[Nick] 22. It's amazing, isn't it?
Yeah. It's shocking. I thought he was older.
I thought he was... Not much older, but I thought he was a lot older than 22.
The worst thing about him is he's given away his life,
there's nothing left for him anymore except this stuff.
He's a whole-of-life extremist.
The girlfriend said, "He's a full-time racist."
Oh, my God.
Have a look. I'm just having a look myself on the...
Don't forget, I'm a counterterrorism expert.
So I have a natural interest from a scholarly standpoint on terrorism,
terrorist attacks,
terrorist tactics, insurgencies, etcetera.
[man] Today's date is January 3
and we're going to be interviewing a guy from Australia today.
Goes by William Alexander on here.
RooReich.
William RooReich 88.
Volkskrieger is also going to be on the call, he goes by Alexander_Kajinski.
Very great cardio, decent upper body strength...
So we're gonna discuss next steps with him.
[man] We're going to be talking to Volkskrieger
about starting up an Australia cell.
Cool, so I appreciate you accepting this role.
You've been really solid for us,
even though you're out there in Australia,
you've stayed committed to the Base and done things actively.
[man] It would be a lot easier if I had another two people with me.
Because then I'll be able to go into places like universities
where the recruiting grounds are more promising.
- Definitely. Definitely. No doubt. - They're the soft target.
I want to capture the success stories in the form of content,
videos, photos, of you engaging in training.
And we just put that out there, publish it, for further recruiting purposes.
[man on phone] One of the reasons why they try to target younger people
is because they feel like they're much more trustworthy.
You've asked us not to use your full name or show your face, why is that?
I know that there can be a lot of retribution
when it comes to people who speak out about these sort of groups.
How the hell did you get suckered in?
I'm happy to go through the process of how I was radicalised.
Please, yeah.
I was watching a lot of YouTube videos.
We saw the immigration crisis that was happening
where a lot of people were moving from the Middle East and sought asylum in Europe.
They were using these as examples of how white people were being displaced.
They get you on simple messages.
There needs to be recognition of how much effort
are being put into making these ideas really easy to accept.
[voiceover] Some studies show that at Islam's current rate of growth,
in five to seven years, it will be the dominant religion of the world.
And then just take that one step further,
and be in Facebook forums,
you join a very broad group that talks about very mild things,
not racist, just very expressive of how great European culture is.
So most of the people in these extreme groups
will be monitoring these mild groups.
There are other small posts that happen in there
that will go a little bit more extreme.
People who respond positively to those posts
are usually then asked to join more extreme groups.
And this was a constant rabbit hole.
[voiceover] We often hear that we must pay for alleged wrongdoings
of our imperial past by submitting to massive immigration into our homelands.
This argument depends upon white guilt.
If they think that you're extreme enough,
then they will invite them to slightly more extreme groups
that they're also part of.
We were a white Australia 100 years ago,
but we were a white Australia with liberalism
and that liberalism has led to our current decline,
our current situation...
The pool of people gets a bit smaller in the next group,
and then a lot smaller in the next group
and then finally you're basically in the group
that they wanted you to be in the whole time,
which is obviously the very far right sort of groups.
- Did that happen to you? - Absolutely, that happened to me.
This one guy, the person who sort of recruited me, he private messaged me.
He said, "Some of the guys want to catch up, do you want to come along?"
And I was like, "Yeah, sure, why not?"
[Reporter] Police say Patrick Patmore is part of a neo-Nazi organisation
open only to white Australians of non-Jewish descent.
Officers raiding Patmore's Salisbury East home,
seizing an explosive device, bomb-making instructions, weapons and ammunition.
[Nick] They're going to be freaking out.
Absolutely freaking out. So what do we know?
There's a message from Tom on Telegram
saying how there's been a raid in South Australia,
Tom says "100-plus federal police officers
disrupting their organisation at 5:00 AM this morning".
Jacob has sent a post on their private Telegram channel
saying pretty much all the boys and South Australia were raided.
"I want everyone in Melbourne to completely square their shit away,
"get rid of anything that would not reflect well on our organisation
"should the police find it."
Sounds like that's an order to destroy evidence.
Yeah. That's right.
- Joel, wasn't it? - Yeah. How are you?
- Good buddy, how are you? - Yeah, good.
[phone line trilling]
[car door shuts]
[Dave] Hey, mate. How you goin'? It's all in there.
- How many days is that? - It's probably a week there.
From the 29th.
I'll review and get back in touch.
- I appreciate it. Thanks, mate. - Cheers.
[Dave on phone] The guys in Adelaide,
the lads over there were caught with a sparkler,
and the charges were terrorist material, bomb-making materials.
And things were on their computers and so forth, which alerted the police.
He was giving the instructions to us to clean our act up,
make sure nothing loose was lying around.
He seemed to be in a pretty filthy mood, Tom.
He also says in the same meeting, "Let's get more families involved,
"let's get more wives involved.
That's right.
Once you been there and you gone the next step up,
you're vetted into the next part of the chapter,
they actually give you a white wristband
and that's just a plain elastic band
you put around your arm
so if another member sees it, then he has to shake your hand with half wrist shake.
Not the normal gentlemen's handshake, you go the half wrist
and a hard, forceful shake.
They knew that you hated as much as they did
and that you're up to that level
so you can actually talk to them and elaborate on your hate more.
[men] It is my duty to be a warrior, to be fit, strong and defend my people.
I believe it was a cult
once he got up and said the oath, to be initiated there.
[men chant] I may die, but my blood lives forever.
Until my end, this is my oath.
Alright, let's do it. Goodnight.
Did your heart skip a beat when someone said, "Someone's probably wearing a wire?"
I... I didn't go into panic mode,
I just sort of looked at their eyes
and tried to read which one they thought may have been wearing a wire
but I was safe and secure.
When you looked into their eyes, what did you see?
I just looked in their eye and I seen hatred there.
♪ Australia, Australia
♪ For Anglo Saxon race and Southern Cross... ♪
[Dave] I think they're starting to trust me now.
It's bizarre. It's a strange...
If you weren't watching and seeing and hearing it,
you wouldn't believe it was real.
I mean, the whole thing is predicated on this bizarre cult-like view of the world.
He's believable, and that's the first step.
We want to see these guys in their natural environment
he seems to be fitting in,
although it's horrible listening to him talk
because he's projecting violence, he's projecting racism,
but he's going to do that to be undercover, of course, but yeah, it's...
It's fascinating.
They'll be in there.
It's one thing to talk a bit of shit at a backyard training event,
which is what he is doing well,
but it's going to be a whole other level of infiltration
to actually get into the inner core of the group.
Unless he can, sort of, merge into that,
I think he's going to be always on the outer rim -
that's still fine, we're looking in, we're closer than anyone got before.
- [speaks Inaudibly] - Sorry?
Were you saying you don't reckon there'll be enough seats?
This interaction with the younger guys in and around the group is fascinating
because we're seeing young people being brainwashed, effectively.
[Nazzaro] It's 9:00PM,
we'll be interviewing a guy from Australia named Will Power.
[man] I can hear you fine.
[Nazzaro] So that's what drives everything that we're doing, on a tactical level.
[metal gate clangs]
[camera clicks]
[Dave] In there? Hey, Blake. Good to see you.
[man] I know a bunch of guys in there.
[Nick] When you're told to go to this birthday party, what were you told?
[Dave on phone] We were summoned to Adolf Hitler's birthday party.
And I'm thinking, "Shit..."
I don't know what we were gonna do, blow his candles out for him?
We gathered at headquarters, HQ,
and we lit a fire out the back
and Tom read out some prayers in relation to Adolf Hitler
and the great works that he believes he's done.
And I found it so bizarre, so strange. - Why?
It's just not a normal birthday party,
you stand around a fire drum and speak in hatred
and praising someone up that destroyed so many lives.
Tom actually wholly believes that he's Hitler's spiritual son.
Hitler's spiritual son? He truly believes that?
Truly believes he's Hitler's spiritual son.
Sometimes I've seen him when he's had a haircut
and he actually has the short sides and then he folds the fringe over,
exactly how Hitler does.
And in meetings, mainly meetings,
he speaks as if he's copycatting Hitler speech.
I'll fuckin'...
You peel off and talk to a guy from Crown Casino.
That's right. I said, "What you do for a crust?"
He told me he was a senior security advisor at the Crown Casino.
And I didn't think Crown Casino
would have employees affiliated with Tom Sewell's crew.
I'm listening very, very carefully to one of these parts on these videos
where Tom's talking about funding the bail for a terror suspect in NSW.
There was a young lad
that got arrested for terror material and so forth in Albury.
[Nick] We found a name, was it [bleep]?
[Dave] Yes. The two offered money to get him bail.
Tom said, "He's not a member but he's one of us."
It's serious, what he's accused of, planning a mass-casualty attack.
Yeah, that's right, and that's why Tom wanted to assist him
and try to get him out on bail
because he would've been a really good member in the NSN for Tom
because he showed courage, in Tom's eyes.
Seems very revealing that they say publicly
"We don't support accused terrorists, we're not violent,
yet behind the scenes, they're saying,
"Right, let's pay the bail for a terror suspect."
That's right. I found it so bizarre.
How was the Christchurch terrorist treated by the group?
They worshiped him. They worshipped Adolf Hitler and they worshipped him.
He set an example. Take a stance and this is why you do this.
"This is what we stand for."
Hold up a sec, I've just got the vision up here now, so I can see three guys,
it looks like a pudgy guy with a beard, that would be Ty.
- Yes. - Vinnie with blonde hair.
Yes.
And the guy we've ID'd and Steve Zoumis, a gun-enthusiast.
That's right.
The property they really wanted was around Puckapunyal at Seymour,
because they want to set their own shooting range up.
And do all their practice out there with rifles and so forth
and it would've been a good disguise
because there's that much shooting out there
due to the Army training and practicing,
there would be no phone calls to the police.
People...normal citizens around there
would've thought, "Hello, it's just the Puckapunyal army base
"doing their shooting".
Is it right...did you feel they wanted to make this their foundation stone
for a white-only community?
Yes. And then reach out from there.
Have all their rifle practice and all their martial arts trained blokes,
it was all secure.
We need to be racially segregated from these other people,
we need to form our own nations, our own communities,
and we don't agree with this multicultural experiment anymore.
And they're absolutely fucking frightened by that.
The state in the is in absolute fear of us,
it doesn't know how to manage the situation...
[Nazzaro] To me, the collapse is a means to an end.
The point of it is that it leads to power vacuums
that we can fill in order to control territory.
That's the point of the power vacuums is so that we can control territory
and then impose our will.
As society continues to collapse,
and anarchy builds and law and order breaks down,
well, then there's not really much of a reason to be as secretive anymore.
It'll be our turn to shine. We want things to accelerate.
So anything that adds to that is good.
[Dave on phone] Mate, my beliefs are they are very dangerous,
which ones don't have guns want to get guns.
There could be another New Zealand massacre.
Well, the security team have told us that there is a level of violence,
a level of tension in the group that has suddenly escalated.
And we can't have you anywhere near that,
so the safest thing now is to get you out.
Are you sure, mate? I feel safe, I could take this a lot further.
I know you think you can handle it, but we can't take any risks.
Yeah, totally understand where you're coming from.
Build your cover story, find the safe way to get out,
and we down tools from now.
- Copy. Understood. - OK.
- See you, mate. - Thanks.
[voice on megaphone] I need you to come out the front door
one at a time with nothing in your hands...
[Dave] A message went out on our encrypted phones
that the raid is in progress.
"Tidy your computers up ASAP. We've been raided just now."
I can put all that garbage behind me and let the government deal with it now.
Is it a relief to be out of the group finally?
It's like the old saying, who you hang around is who you become
and I started becoming one of Tom Sewell's recruits.
I was living the life, I was living the words that he spoke.
I started actually... I had to pull myself up
from nearly believing what he was saying,
it's so quick to get brainwashed in there.
This life, I've just, you know, cleanse myself,
I don't have to look over my shoulder, it's just a great feeling to be free.
Not to hate anyone just to be meself, get that hatred out of meself.
It was disturbing what you saw.
The biggest surprise was the young kids that are involved, they're only teenagers.
It was disturbing, absolutely disturbing.
And I hope we prevented any serious things happening in Australia.
[Nick] They're in training for a race war.
They're what's known as an accelerationist group.
They are trying to accelerate a mass societal conflict.
And have their members ready...armed and ready when government collapses
and the white man has to fight for supremacy.
It sounds insane, but they have genuine adherents
who believe that they are in training for a race war.
When a newspaperman defiles a TV star's bathroom,
gotta clean it up.
One strange thing working on this program for me, in the back of my mind,
not in a major way, but in a small way, is I'm Jewish.
My mother's a Polish Jew. I lost relatives in the Holocaust.
And for me, the danger of neo-Naziism is real, um...
It's still relatively recent, WWII, and we all...
Everyone's family has a story or a connection to racism and brutality.
[phone chimes]
Just...
[clock ticks]
Good evening and welcome to a special edition of 60 Minutes.
I'm Nick McKenzie.
Tonight, we expose a toxic and dangerous world of hate.
As we go inside the neo-Nazi movement in this country.
Now, many of you might find it difficult to believe the extent
of far right extremism here.
The appalling racism and demands for violent uprisings.
But the shocking truth is these groups are growing.
For years, Australia's neo-Nazis have used their anonymity as armour.
Our infiltration of the largest organisation,
the National Socialist Network, ends that protection.
And a strong warning – you're going to be outraged
and likely offended by what you see and hear.
For decades, the widely held view in most Western nations
was that danger came from the outside, not within.
[newsreader] New Zealand has endured its darkest day.
But attacks like New Zealand's Christchurch massacre...
Unprecedented act of violence.
[people chant] USA! USA!
- [Nick] ..and the Capitol riots in the US... - USA! USA!
..have blown up this theory.
USA! USA! USA! USA!
The threat posed to Australia by domestic terrorism
was the starting point for this investigation by 60 Minutes,
The Age, and The Sydney Morning Herald.
But to unmask the members of these far-right groups,
we had to make a very risky call.
The decision to go undercover and try to infiltrate an extremist cell.
Now we can reveal for the first time
some of the secret members of this neo-Nazi group.
The man with deep criminal connections
including to international neo-Nazi terror group Combat 18 is Danny Newman.
The NSN's rural property scout is Steve Zoumis
seen here proudly posing with a gun.
We've identified several team members who we won't name.
But older core members include Crown Resorts security manager
Daniel Todisco.
Michael Edwards, who is recruiting neo-Nazis in the bush.
And Tyrel Cameron, an IT consultant for a federal government body.
And member of outlaw motorcycle gang the Finks is Ulf Lindfors-Beswick.
The most likely terrorist attack will be the actions of a lone actor.
This group, National Socialist Network,
which is one which is known in public,
it's not ISIL, it's a very different group,
nonetheless, their views and where it goes to promoting acts of violence
is of grave concern, and it does get the full attention of ourselves,
the federal police and our state and territory law enforcement colleagues.
What percentage of your critical caseload, your highest priority cases
are dedicated to groups like neo-Nazi cells and other like-minded groups?
So right now, that cohort is 50%
of our on shore priority counterterrorism caseload.
[lift bell chimes]
The Australian Council of Jewry has emailed me
saying the neo-Nazis have found an old tweet I've done
where I disclose that my mother is Jewish,
obviously I'm Jewish, I'm proudly Jewish,
but now, it's my personal life, my mother would not, you know, she'd be horrified
to think that she's been dragged into this
but they're now reposting that tweet and being anti-Semitic
and making a very personal attack, and it's upsetting...
It makes you realise what total fuckwits they are, basically.
It says, "You have now acquired the echo symbol around your name,"
I don't know what the echo symbol is.
[reads] "The echo is an online...
"used by anti-Semites, a multi-parenthesis around a name
"to indicate they are Jewish."
[man] Star of David?
I wonder how I react to this.
Do you ignore it or do you... It makes me want to respond back.
To stand up for, you know, for myself and, you know, it's annoying,
it's upsetting, but it's...
I don't want to be thin-skinned, either.
I underestimated just how dangerous some of them are.
The fact that they are totally brainwashed.
There's lots of really young, angry white men,
they haven't got the opportunities they think are owed to them.
They struggle for work, there's economic insecurity. There's social disharmony.
They are outliers in the mainstream community
and they come together and they bond over this.
And neo-Nazism becomes the reason to be.
They're trying to get back power from this imaginary enemy
that they think has stolen it from them.
And they can't get it through normal means, the normal political process.
They want what they think's owed to them now.
They realise the only way they're gonna make a noise
is by threatening harm, causing fear,
and that's where they're dangerous, because they have normalised hate.
Giggling over a video of the Christchurch terrorist
murdering people in cold blood and in cowardly fashion
is, for some of them, like breathing air.
There's so much anger in our society,
in parts of our society, about what's going on.
They're going to be saying "Great, we'll use this anger,
"this discontent with government, to draw people over to our movement.
Some are anti-vaxxers, some are anti-Semites, some are neo-Nazis.
It's the Jews!
[Nick] They want to find the angry and the disillusioned
and the rejected and bring them together, give them an identity,
they give them a feeling of a coherent sense of purpose.
Some are just scared, angry people who fear for loss of jobs,
some are full-blown conspiracy theorists,
but all harbour these deep-seated grievances,
and there's enough people
prepared not just to think that and type that and be online,
but to take it to the streets and, you know, take out cops and be violent.
And we see it here with young white men, mostly,
and older white men who feel left behind,
who are furious, they're furious here, they're angry in America,
across Europe, they're seeking
what they think is reclaiming lost power, lost identity.
They've been spat out by a fairly difficult environment,
socio-economic environment.
And they find that sense of power,
purpose, through extreme ideology.
[speaks German]
[voices] Sieg heil! Sieg heil! Sieg heil!
[Nick] If you had the ear of a young guy
that was in the National Socialist Network,
a young budding neo-Nazi, how would you convince that person to get out?
[Dave] I thought there were a couple of times to pull a couple aside
and say "Hey," one at a time say, "Do you really need this?
"This is not the path for you, you look like you got talent,
"it looks like you can go places, but this is just gonna bring you down, mate."
I would have to show him there's no light at the end of the tunnel
for this sort of behaviour.
Where... "You've got life to live yet, you're only young,
"you don't need this role, sitting in jail or regretting what you may have done."