1 00:00:29,384 --> 00:00:34,584 [birds sing] 2 00:00:45,262 --> 00:00:49,621 [cockatoo squawks] 3 00:00:50,741 --> 00:00:55,300 [singing in distance] 4 00:01:46,932 --> 00:01:50,472 ♪ And the moon, she makes her way... ♪ 5 00:01:50,572 --> 00:01:56,211 [singing continues in distance] 6 00:01:57,331 --> 00:02:02,010 [man] Something didn't feel quite right, something was off. 7 00:02:04,810 --> 00:02:08,749 As I was going up here, I clocked that a lot of them 8 00:02:08,849 --> 00:02:13,688 had the same black T-shirt on with the Celtic cross. 9 00:02:15,208 --> 00:02:19,547 There was a large group of men, 30 or 40 around here, 10 00:02:19,647 --> 00:02:24,707 I saw a really young guy just sitting on the rock over there. 11 00:02:24,807 --> 00:02:26,346 [man 2] How young? 12 00:02:26,446 --> 00:02:30,506 No older than 18 years old. He was the youngest of the group. 13 00:02:30,606 --> 00:02:36,205 I can picture him quite clearly... do a Nazi salute, the Sieg Heil. 14 00:02:37,245 --> 00:02:43,744 As I was going up the stairs, I heard them yelling, "White power," 15 00:02:43,844 --> 00:02:45,263 and, "Power to the white man." 16 00:02:45,363 --> 00:02:51,822 A lot of the people here that day were migrants or first-generation Australians. 17 00:02:51,922 --> 00:02:55,282 - [man on megaphone] Heil victory. - [men chant] Heil victory! 18 00:02:57,681 --> 00:03:00,701 - Heil victory. - [men chant] Heil victory! 19 00:03:00,801 --> 00:03:03,860 - It's an epic setting. - It's a beautiful setting. 20 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,500 A shame it was used for their purposes. 21 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:12,439 [men chant] Ku Klux Klan! Ku Klux Klan! Ku Klux Klan! 22 00:03:14,559 --> 00:03:16,338 [man] And isn't that very interesting? 23 00:03:16,438 --> 00:03:19,018 That if a bunch of white guys go out to the bush and enjoy nature 24 00:03:19,118 --> 00:03:20,458 and build their community, 25 00:03:20,558 --> 00:03:21,658 build their organisations, 26 00:03:21,758 --> 00:03:24,297 the media, the police, the government treat us 27 00:03:24,397 --> 00:03:27,817 like we're a terrorist organisation for a peaceful assembly. 28 00:03:27,917 --> 00:03:30,296 Of white men. That's how afraid they are of us. 29 00:03:30,396 --> 00:03:31,736 And they're trying to... 30 00:03:31,836 --> 00:03:35,176 [man] I think at the start of this process of researching, 31 00:03:35,276 --> 00:03:36,415 I underestimated 32 00:03:36,515 --> 00:03:39,995 and this might sound naïve, or foolhardy, but... 33 00:03:40,995 --> 00:03:44,474 ..the zealotry of these people, just how dangerous some of them are... 34 00:03:46,594 --> 00:03:50,613 These guys are whole-of-life, some of them are whole-of-life neo-Nazis. 35 00:03:50,713 --> 00:03:52,893 [Sewell] We've seen what Jewish power is doing to our society. 36 00:03:52,993 --> 00:03:56,012 Turning their daughters into prostitutes and our sons into trannies and faggots 37 00:03:56,112 --> 00:03:59,172 so that we can't even have the Australian dream anymore... 38 00:03:59,272 --> 00:04:03,051 But we're not a terrorist organisation, we don't advocate for violence. 39 00:04:03,151 --> 00:04:07,011 We fight for God, we fight for our race. We struggle for our people to survive. 40 00:04:07,111 --> 00:04:09,690 [McKenzie] There's no one better known than Tom Sewell 41 00:04:09,790 --> 00:04:11,830 when it comes to the term 'neo-Nazi'. 42 00:04:12,590 --> 00:04:16,569 He's ex-Australian Army, he loves the online spotlight. 43 00:04:16,669 --> 00:04:20,928 And he promotes himself as the leader of the far right movement across Australia. 44 00:04:21,028 --> 00:04:23,808 And so the media report says that we were hailing Hitler, 45 00:04:23,908 --> 00:04:25,448 yes we were hailing Hitler, 46 00:04:25,548 --> 00:04:29,407 we were, Adolf Hitler is the greatest man to have lived in the last 2000 years. 47 00:04:29,507 --> 00:04:32,287 And he spoke out against this tyranny, this Jewish tyranny. 48 00:04:32,387 --> 00:04:34,366 [McKenzie] There's lots of angry white men out there 49 00:04:34,466 --> 00:04:35,926 looking for something to cling to. 50 00:04:36,026 --> 00:04:39,246 And these neo-Nazis say, "Here's your answer." 51 00:04:39,346 --> 00:04:42,125 They genocided us. They're trying to kill us. 52 00:04:42,225 --> 00:04:45,365 And Adolf Hitler tried to warn people against this. 53 00:04:45,465 --> 00:04:47,964 And that's why we hail him as a prophet 54 00:04:48,064 --> 00:04:51,244 so that we don't do this again so that white men don't kill... 55 00:04:51,344 --> 00:04:59,482 What we agree on is that Islam itself was a threat to Western civilisation. 56 00:04:59,582 --> 00:05:02,762 Based off the fact that as a doctrine... 57 00:05:02,862 --> 00:05:05,801 [McKenzie] We can't forget that Tom Sewell and the National Socialist Network 58 00:05:05,901 --> 00:05:07,481 or at least some of its members 59 00:05:07,581 --> 00:05:10,641 look to the Christchurch massacre as inspiration, 60 00:05:10,741 --> 00:05:12,740 and that's why we can't look away. 61 00:05:31,937 --> 00:05:33,677 [man] When he came through and he started shooting, 62 00:05:33,777 --> 00:05:36,517 like, everyone in the mosque, everywhere. 63 00:05:36,617 --> 00:05:40,716 [man 2] I could see people getting shot in the head. Legs, body, shoulders. 64 00:05:40,816 --> 00:05:42,716 I could see my friends getting shot. 65 00:05:42,816 --> 00:05:44,475 You could just see people dying in front of you 66 00:05:44,575 --> 00:05:46,115 and you try to save yourself 67 00:05:46,215 --> 00:05:48,755 and I stood up and see what is exactly happening, 68 00:05:48,855 --> 00:05:51,394 and I could see the carpets going red with blood. 69 00:05:51,494 --> 00:05:53,714 There was multiple dead bodies. 70 00:05:53,814 --> 00:05:55,814 [man 3] 50 people dead. 71 00:05:58,453 --> 00:06:01,193 Their bodies were stacked on top of each other. 72 00:06:01,293 --> 00:06:07,672 [woman] I said in his ears, "don't, don't move. Stay, stay still." 73 00:06:07,772 --> 00:06:16,450 He wanted to save him. He was 21 years old but innocence over. 74 00:06:23,089 --> 00:06:26,549 [woman 2] I just don't understand why someone would hurt us like this 75 00:06:26,649 --> 00:06:29,268 and in such a way - what would you treat us like that? 76 00:06:29,368 --> 00:06:32,528 We've done nothing. Nothing wrong to you. 77 00:06:33,688 --> 00:06:37,467 What terrifies me is that there's people out there that support this 78 00:06:37,567 --> 00:06:39,427 and it pushes their cause even more 79 00:06:39,527 --> 00:06:41,547 and I'm really scared for our future. 80 00:06:41,647 --> 00:06:43,646 I'm terrified. 81 00:06:51,245 --> 00:06:54,624 You advised governments back in the '80s and '90s, 82 00:06:54,924 --> 00:06:58,004 about the danger posed by neo-Nazis. 83 00:06:58,924 --> 00:07:01,343 Compare that danger back then to now, if you can. 84 00:07:01,443 --> 00:07:07,262 All of them seek to build a membership, to cross over 85 00:07:07,363 --> 00:07:10,222 from fringe political activity 86 00:07:10,322 --> 00:07:13,062 into mainstream political activity. 87 00:07:13,161 --> 00:07:16,221 They don't want to live just in the shadows. 88 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,261 They want to exert genuine political power. 89 00:07:20,361 --> 00:07:23,099 Even radical right-wing politicians 90 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,940 and their supporters 91 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,939 have every right to advocate their manifestoes. 92 00:07:29,039 --> 00:07:31,099 But when you can shed a light on the fact 93 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:34,818 that they are actually trying to subvert democratic process, 94 00:07:34,918 --> 00:07:36,458 when they are, 95 00:07:36,558 --> 00:07:40,937 or more rarely, but still on sufficient occasions 96 00:07:41,036 --> 00:07:42,817 to be a national security concern, 97 00:07:42,916 --> 00:07:47,296 advocating the propagation of violence, 98 00:07:47,396 --> 00:07:51,976 that's something that needs to be exposed to the general public. 99 00:07:52,075 --> 00:07:57,654 So the consideration to put an undercover into this neo-Nazi group, 100 00:07:57,755 --> 00:08:00,774 you've been there before, what would advice would you give? 101 00:08:00,873 --> 00:08:05,753 I would probably advise you not to do it, Nick. [chuckles] 102 00:08:07,233 --> 00:08:09,093 There is a very serious risk 103 00:08:09,193 --> 00:08:13,171 associated with having anybody inside one of these groups 104 00:08:13,272 --> 00:08:16,652 covertly providing information to third parties. 105 00:08:16,752 --> 00:08:20,690 But by their very nature, these groups are conspiratorial. 106 00:08:20,791 --> 00:08:24,051 And have paranoid personalities. 107 00:08:24,151 --> 00:08:30,210 Earlier organisations have actually killed people 108 00:08:30,310 --> 00:08:33,889 that they suspected of being ASIO agents or police informants. 109 00:08:33,988 --> 00:08:35,768 I don't see how fast we can get inside the group, 110 00:08:35,869 --> 00:08:37,008 understand what it's really up to, 111 00:08:37,109 --> 00:08:39,568 unless we've got somebody on the inside, 112 00:08:39,668 --> 00:08:41,968 be it a human source or an undercover. 113 00:08:42,068 --> 00:08:46,286 So, I mean...can it be done safely? 114 00:08:46,387 --> 00:08:50,306 There's always gonna be an element of risk. 115 00:09:13,023 --> 00:09:15,023 [car door opens, closes] 116 00:09:18,302 --> 00:09:20,002 - Dave? - Hey, mate. How you going? 117 00:09:20,102 --> 00:09:21,802 Nick McKenzie. Nice to meet you. 118 00:09:21,901 --> 00:09:25,200 So, thanks for agreeing to catch up and do this. 119 00:09:25,301 --> 00:09:28,800 The purpose of the chat now is to go through how we set this up 120 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:30,080 and keep you safe. 121 00:09:30,180 --> 00:09:34,199 And get you to build a level of trust inside the group. 122 00:09:34,300 --> 00:09:37,478 I think I just contact them on their website 123 00:09:37,579 --> 00:09:41,458 and tell them I'm an old-school racist. 124 00:09:42,737 --> 00:09:47,078 Just want to stay simple and just going to make contact with them first, 125 00:09:47,178 --> 00:09:49,917 get an invitation to join up with them. 126 00:09:50,016 --> 00:09:52,957 And then I will just play it out from there. 127 00:09:53,056 --> 00:09:54,996 You looked at the group from the outside a little bit, 128 00:09:55,095 --> 00:09:58,315 what's your sense of what they're all about? 129 00:09:58,416 --> 00:10:02,314 I looked him up, Tom Sewell, 130 00:10:02,415 --> 00:10:04,995 he seems to be a very dangerous person. 131 00:10:05,094 --> 00:10:10,034 They hate Jews, any coloured skin, 132 00:10:10,133 --> 00:10:16,152 I haven't come across a group so believing in what they believe in, 133 00:10:16,253 --> 00:10:19,093 so drastic, to hurt somebody. 134 00:10:20,172 --> 00:10:25,272 Someone needs to step in and dissolve this, and bring 'em to justice. 135 00:10:25,372 --> 00:10:29,430 I don't want to say someone bash the first coloured person 136 00:10:29,531 --> 00:10:31,430 just because he's there. 137 00:10:31,531 --> 00:10:33,989 They believe in Jesus Christ, and they believe in God, 138 00:10:34,090 --> 00:10:36,170 they also believe in 'let's go and kill someone'. 139 00:10:49,208 --> 00:10:52,927 [phone chimes] 140 00:11:00,565 --> 00:11:02,565 [Dave] Hello. 141 00:11:02,926 --> 00:11:05,065 Hello? 142 00:11:05,166 --> 00:11:07,505 - Hello. - Hey, mate, how you going? 143 00:11:07,604 --> 00:11:10,064 [man on phone] I'm good. Good to finally talk to you, mate. 144 00:11:10,165 --> 00:11:12,224 Sorry it's taken so long. 145 00:11:12,324 --> 00:11:14,744 Me and Tom have just been so busy over the last few days, 146 00:11:14,843 --> 00:11:16,984 like, as you saw when I messaged you, 147 00:11:17,083 --> 00:11:19,783 we've been in Sydney and stuff. 148 00:11:19,882 --> 00:11:21,882 This call should maybe take about 20 or 25 minutes. 149 00:11:24,562 --> 00:11:29,062 So how did you first off find out about National Socialist Network? 150 00:11:29,161 --> 00:11:33,381 I heard blokes talking about it and so forth in pubs and that, you know? 151 00:11:33,481 --> 00:11:35,220 And I started looking into it. 152 00:11:35,321 --> 00:11:38,020 - Really? You heard about us in a pub? - Yeah, in Shepparton. 153 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,020 Oh, that's awesome. 154 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,820 So how would you describe your political views? 155 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,498 Oh, mate, I reckon I'm practically racist myself, 156 00:11:46,599 --> 00:11:48,659 and I'm an Aussie, Aussie-born, 157 00:11:48,758 --> 00:11:52,418 and now we've got all these other fuckers come into our lives, you know? 158 00:11:52,517 --> 00:11:54,178 Mm. 159 00:11:54,277 --> 00:12:00,137 How did you originally come to our way of thinking? 160 00:12:00,237 --> 00:12:04,776 Been like that for a long time, mate. This is our country. 161 00:12:04,876 --> 00:12:09,455 You see the shit that's going on, these fucking cunts raping our women 162 00:12:09,555 --> 00:12:12,655 and driving around in their fucking posh cars 163 00:12:12,755 --> 00:12:16,255 and just bashing people and doing holdups and armed robberies, 164 00:12:16,354 --> 00:12:20,694 and stealing and wearing their towels around their head, 165 00:12:20,794 --> 00:12:23,073 I just can't handle them, mate. 166 00:12:23,171 --> 00:12:24,872 Mm. Yeah, exactly. 167 00:12:24,971 --> 00:12:27,430 What are your views on homosexuals? 168 00:12:27,531 --> 00:12:29,391 [scoffs] Don't go there, mate. 169 00:12:29,490 --> 00:12:32,112 Fuckin'...it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. 170 00:12:32,208 --> 00:12:35,790 [laughs] True. Definitely true. 171 00:12:35,891 --> 00:12:40,988 So what do you think is the main problem that Australia faces? 172 00:12:41,089 --> 00:12:44,389 If there is one biggest problem, what would you say it is? 173 00:12:44,488 --> 00:12:48,908 It's the immigrants, mate. We've gotta put up with them! 174 00:12:49,007 --> 00:12:50,788 They only come here because they get Medicare, 175 00:12:50,887 --> 00:12:53,305 they don't come over here for any other fucking reason. 176 00:12:53,408 --> 00:12:56,027 You come here, it's all laid out in front of you. 177 00:12:56,125 --> 00:12:58,466 Mate, I've got other blokes, we talk about it all the time, 178 00:12:58,567 --> 00:13:00,346 we look at the TV and, "Look at these cunts. 179 00:13:00,447 --> 00:13:03,546 Look at these Sudanese running around fucking Melbourne, 180 00:13:03,844 --> 00:13:06,406 I want Australia to shut the gates. 181 00:13:07,565 --> 00:13:11,505 Yeah, you sound like you'd be well suited to our organisation. 182 00:13:11,604 --> 00:13:16,204 You don't have any views that turn us off. You seem to know what's what. 183 00:13:17,443 --> 00:13:19,704 Good to talk to you, mate. 184 00:13:19,804 --> 00:13:23,522 [Dave] Appreciate it. Great talking to you. I'll wait for your message. 185 00:13:24,921 --> 00:13:29,301 Now we're on our way to go harass A Current Affair at their office. 186 00:13:29,402 --> 00:13:34,541 I seen something on telly last night in relation to you guys. 187 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,541 Yes, well, it's on tonight at 7:00 so just tune in. 188 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,019 - I'm just itching to get cracking, mate. - Yeah, awesome. 189 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,539 - Thank you. - I'll see you later. 190 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:43,900 Cheers. 191 00:13:43,998 --> 00:13:46,457 [Sewell] So we're out the front of Channel 9 here. 192 00:13:46,558 --> 00:13:50,058 A Current Affair ran a show about us being terrorists. 193 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:51,858 Our organisation, advocated 194 00:13:51,957 --> 00:13:53,918 for white people in this country, as being terrorists, 195 00:13:54,016 --> 00:13:56,817 they've interviewed many people to discuss us, 196 00:13:56,918 --> 00:13:58,937 but they haven't given us a right of reply, 197 00:13:59,035 --> 00:14:01,256 they didn't contact us, they're not discussing with us, 198 00:14:01,353 --> 00:14:04,853 I was talking to reception to try to speak to one of the editors or producers. 199 00:14:04,956 --> 00:14:06,415 They're not interested in coming out and talking to us. 200 00:14:38,471 --> 00:14:40,552 Alright? Alright. Leave. 201 00:14:49,708 --> 00:14:51,769 Now security has decided to forcibly remove us 202 00:14:51,867 --> 00:14:54,129 and in fact trying to touch our property. 203 00:14:54,228 --> 00:14:55,606 He is coming out again. 204 00:14:55,708 --> 00:14:57,967 I said past that journo line, you film past the journo line. 205 00:14:58,067 --> 00:15:00,127 I don't care what you do past that journo line right over there. 206 00:15:00,227 --> 00:15:03,165 That white line. You can go there and film. 207 00:15:03,266 --> 00:15:05,706 Not in here. Alright? 208 00:15:15,784 --> 00:15:18,943 [bystanders scream] 209 00:15:22,183 --> 00:15:27,462 [woman] Leave him! Leave him alone! 210 00:15:29,504 --> 00:15:32,423 [man] Hey, back off, back off, guys. 211 00:15:37,540 --> 00:15:42,380 [phone line chimes] 212 00:15:51,699 --> 00:15:54,317 - [Dave on phone] Hey, mate, how you going? - [Nick] Yeah, good. 213 00:15:54,418 --> 00:15:56,879 The plan today is if you can get into the headquarters, 214 00:15:56,978 --> 00:15:58,958 just move around, if you can. 215 00:15:59,054 --> 00:16:02,038 - Just look around, shaking hands. - But move through the property. 216 00:16:02,136 --> 00:16:04,876 We want to get a sense of the layout of the headquarters. 217 00:16:04,977 --> 00:16:08,115 We want to get a sense of what they do in what room. 218 00:16:08,216 --> 00:16:12,155 What area they use for training. Who's living where. 219 00:16:12,256 --> 00:16:13,353 Yeah, that's right. Yeah. 220 00:16:13,456 --> 00:16:16,956 Just get to know as many of the guys there as possible. 221 00:16:17,054 --> 00:16:20,913 Introduce yourself to them, get them to introduce themselves to you. 222 00:16:21,014 --> 00:16:25,473 If you can film their faces, we can start to piece together who these guys are. 223 00:16:25,574 --> 00:16:28,313 Yeah, I understand. With phone. 224 00:16:28,413 --> 00:16:34,312 Do your best. Names, numbers, what they do for living. 225 00:16:34,413 --> 00:16:37,631 We think lots of them have gun licenses or are ex-military 226 00:16:37,731 --> 00:16:40,552 but we want to be able to confirm those details. 227 00:16:40,651 --> 00:16:42,030 Yeah, I'll go straight to the top 228 00:16:42,131 --> 00:16:47,189 and then also show a bit of kindness to the weakest one there. 229 00:16:47,289 --> 00:16:51,630 If you have any concerns, obviously, get out. 230 00:16:51,728 --> 00:16:54,568 - Yep, alright. - OK, good luck. 231 00:17:09,326 --> 00:17:11,487 [clapping in distance] 232 00:17:25,286 --> 00:17:28,124 [man] There to there. 233 00:17:29,605 --> 00:17:34,344 When I come around, left hook. So one, two, left hook. 234 00:17:34,443 --> 00:17:36,965 Come back to the centre, and finish with a right cross. 235 00:17:37,722 --> 00:17:41,364 The first one-two's kind of like a one...two. 236 00:18:16,595 --> 00:18:18,595 And when you need a shell, shell. Alright? 237 00:18:40,153 --> 00:18:42,233 - Hey, mate, how you going? - [man] Yeah, good. 238 00:19:13,949 --> 00:19:16,929 You've been enjoying these docs from Amber? 239 00:19:17,027 --> 00:19:18,807 [woman] Yes, you've got him. 240 00:19:18,907 --> 00:19:20,905 - No. - Yes. 241 00:19:22,268 --> 00:19:24,047 OK. Pack up the weights. 242 00:19:24,146 --> 00:19:26,126 I gotta do one more set. 243 00:19:26,228 --> 00:19:28,226 Alright, well do it then. 244 00:19:57,220 --> 00:19:59,422 Oh, how you going? Good to see you, Dave. 245 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:10,300 [man] Yeah, pretty good, mate. 246 00:20:51,293 --> 00:20:54,114 - What's your name? - Patrick. 247 00:20:54,211 --> 00:20:56,211 What was yours? 248 00:22:00,802 --> 00:22:04,280 [Dave reads over phone] 249 00:22:52,472 --> 00:22:54,472 [bleep] 250 00:22:56,514 --> 00:22:58,512 What? 251 00:23:42,027 --> 00:23:44,624 Yep, yep, I know him. 252 00:23:51,903 --> 00:23:57,903 I was surprised, training-wise, I was surprised at the dedication 253 00:24:00,903 --> 00:24:04,163 that they went to just to build these young blokes up, 254 00:24:04,262 --> 00:24:06,282 they were kids who are only... 255 00:24:06,384 --> 00:24:12,402 They're sloppy, Tom wanted to build them up muscly, 256 00:24:12,501 --> 00:24:15,300 take a look at them and say, "Hey, this is my army." 257 00:24:16,141 --> 00:24:19,382 - "This is my army." - This is my army. 258 00:25:37,929 --> 00:25:39,929 Oh, hello there. 259 00:26:07,163 --> 00:26:08,422 [Kaiser growls] 260 00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:10,384 I was gonna say, that's why I'm not going to touch it. 261 00:26:10,483 --> 00:26:11,942 I kinda wanted to touch it, but I don't. 262 00:26:12,043 --> 00:26:14,043 OK, we won't touch the bone. Don't worry. 263 00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:35,201 Yeah, it's really nice to see how dedicated... 264 00:27:04,315 --> 00:27:06,213 That's right. He's big enough for it. 265 00:27:06,315 --> 00:27:09,594 [man] It just... I didn't realise Hersant was so young. 266 00:27:11,074 --> 00:27:12,614 [Nick] 22. It's amazing, isn't it? 267 00:27:12,713 --> 00:27:15,773 Yeah. It's shocking. I thought he was older. 268 00:27:15,873 --> 00:27:19,413 I thought he was... Not much older, but I thought he was a lot older than 22. 269 00:27:19,512 --> 00:27:22,291 The worst thing about him is he's given away his life, 270 00:27:22,393 --> 00:27:24,711 there's nothing left for him anymore except this stuff. 271 00:27:26,711 --> 00:27:29,771 He's a whole-of-life extremist. 272 00:27:29,871 --> 00:27:31,931 The girlfriend said, "He's a full-time racist." 273 00:27:32,030 --> 00:27:33,970 Oh, my God. 274 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:36,068 Have a look. I'm just having a look myself on the... 275 00:27:40,349 --> 00:27:43,768 Don't forget, I'm a counterterrorism expert. 276 00:27:43,869 --> 00:27:49,527 So I have a natural interest from a scholarly standpoint on terrorism, 277 00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:51,047 terrorist attacks, 278 00:27:51,148 --> 00:27:54,507 terrorist tactics, insurgencies, etcetera. 279 00:27:56,905 --> 00:27:59,487 [man] Today's date is January 3 280 00:27:59,586 --> 00:28:05,465 and we're going to be interviewing a guy from Australia today. 281 00:28:06,985 --> 00:28:10,844 Goes by William Alexander on here. 282 00:28:10,943 --> 00:28:12,525 RooReich. 283 00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:14,722 William RooReich 88. 284 00:28:14,824 --> 00:28:20,824 Volkskrieger is also going to be on the call, he goes by Alexander_Kajinski. 285 00:29:21,335 --> 00:29:25,512 Very great cardio, decent upper body strength... 286 00:29:25,614 --> 00:29:30,730 So we're gonna discuss next steps with him. 287 00:29:36,291 --> 00:29:39,431 [man] We're going to be talking to Volkskrieger 288 00:29:39,530 --> 00:29:42,291 about starting up an Australia cell. 289 00:29:43,170 --> 00:29:47,329 Cool, so I appreciate you accepting this role. 290 00:29:48,610 --> 00:29:50,547 You've been really solid for us, 291 00:29:50,650 --> 00:29:52,670 even though you're out there in Australia, 292 00:29:52,768 --> 00:29:55,668 you've stayed committed to the Base and done things actively. 293 00:29:55,768 --> 00:30:00,108 [man] It would be a lot easier if I had another two people with me. 294 00:30:00,208 --> 00:30:02,387 Because then I'll be able to go into places like universities 295 00:30:02,487 --> 00:30:07,268 where the recruiting grounds are more promising. 296 00:30:07,365 --> 00:30:09,987 - Definitely. Definitely. No doubt. - They're the soft target. 297 00:30:10,085 --> 00:30:13,945 I want to capture the success stories in the form of content, 298 00:30:14,047 --> 00:30:19,143 videos, photos, of you engaging in training. 299 00:30:19,246 --> 00:30:25,643 And we just put that out there, publish it, for further recruiting purposes. 300 00:30:26,565 --> 00:30:30,384 [man on phone] One of the reasons why they try to target younger people 301 00:30:30,483 --> 00:30:33,902 is because they feel like they're much more trustworthy. 302 00:30:34,001 --> 00:30:41,499 You've asked us not to use your full name or show your face, why is that? 303 00:30:41,601 --> 00:30:44,441 I know that there can be a lot of retribution 304 00:30:44,540 --> 00:30:47,839 when it comes to people who speak out about these sort of groups. 305 00:30:47,941 --> 00:30:50,118 How the hell did you get suckered in? 306 00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:54,200 I'm happy to go through the process of how I was radicalised. 307 00:30:54,297 --> 00:30:56,297 Please, yeah. 308 00:30:57,018 --> 00:30:59,479 I was watching a lot of YouTube videos. 309 00:30:59,577 --> 00:31:01,514 We saw the immigration crisis that was happening 310 00:31:01,616 --> 00:31:06,877 where a lot of people were moving from the Middle East and sought asylum in Europe. 311 00:31:06,975 --> 00:31:11,175 They were using these as examples of how white people were being displaced. 312 00:31:14,496 --> 00:31:17,034 They get you on simple messages. 313 00:31:17,135 --> 00:31:19,752 There needs to be recognition of how much effort 314 00:31:19,854 --> 00:31:23,034 are being put into making these ideas really easy to accept. 315 00:31:23,135 --> 00:31:25,991 [voiceover] Some studies show that at Islam's current rate of growth, 316 00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:31,252 in five to seven years, it will be the dominant religion of the world. 317 00:31:32,491 --> 00:31:34,750 And then just take that one step further, 318 00:31:34,851 --> 00:31:36,269 and be in Facebook forums, 319 00:31:36,372 --> 00:31:41,550 you join a very broad group that talks about very mild things, 320 00:31:41,651 --> 00:31:47,510 not racist, just very expressive of how great European culture is. 321 00:31:47,608 --> 00:31:50,108 So most of the people in these extreme groups 322 00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:52,627 will be monitoring these mild groups. 323 00:31:52,729 --> 00:31:55,108 There are other small posts that happen in there 324 00:31:55,209 --> 00:31:57,769 that will go a little bit more extreme. 325 00:32:00,846 --> 00:32:03,668 People who respond positively to those posts 326 00:32:03,769 --> 00:32:07,146 are usually then asked to join more extreme groups. 327 00:32:07,247 --> 00:32:09,866 And this was a constant rabbit hole. 328 00:32:09,964 --> 00:32:12,226 [voiceover] We often hear that we must pay for alleged wrongdoings 329 00:32:12,327 --> 00:32:17,983 of our imperial past by submitting to massive immigration into our homelands. 330 00:32:18,085 --> 00:32:20,585 This argument depends upon white guilt. 331 00:32:20,683 --> 00:32:22,385 If they think that you're extreme enough, 332 00:32:22,483 --> 00:32:25,344 then they will invite them to slightly more extreme groups 333 00:32:25,441 --> 00:32:26,824 that they're also part of. 334 00:32:26,925 --> 00:32:29,584 We were a white Australia 100 years ago, 335 00:32:29,683 --> 00:32:32,220 but we were a white Australia with liberalism 336 00:32:32,322 --> 00:32:34,983 and that liberalism has led to our current decline, 337 00:32:35,083 --> 00:32:36,423 our current situation... 338 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:38,822 The pool of people gets a bit smaller in the next group, 339 00:32:38,923 --> 00:32:40,123 and then a lot smaller in the next group 340 00:32:40,219 --> 00:32:42,640 and then finally you're basically in the group 341 00:32:42,740 --> 00:32:44,381 that they wanted you to be in the whole time, 342 00:32:44,478 --> 00:32:47,819 which is obviously the very far right sort of groups. 343 00:32:47,916 --> 00:32:52,099 - Did that happen to you? - Absolutely, that happened to me. 344 00:32:52,199 --> 00:32:57,615 This one guy, the person who sort of recruited me, he private messaged me. 345 00:32:57,717 --> 00:33:01,498 He said, "Some of the guys want to catch up, do you want to come along?" 346 00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:03,839 And I was like, "Yeah, sure, why not?" 347 00:33:10,598 --> 00:33:13,165 [Reporter] Police say Patrick Patmore is part of a neo-Nazi organisation 348 00:33:13,175 --> 00:33:18,995 open only to white Australians of non-Jewish descent. 349 00:33:19,096 --> 00:33:22,074 Officers raiding Patmore's Salisbury East home, 350 00:33:22,174 --> 00:33:27,553 seizing an explosive device, bomb-making instructions, weapons and ammunition. 351 00:33:27,654 --> 00:33:29,232 [Nick] They're going to be freaking out. 352 00:33:29,333 --> 00:33:31,232 Absolutely freaking out. So what do we know? 353 00:33:31,333 --> 00:33:33,832 There's a message from Tom on Telegram 354 00:33:33,933 --> 00:33:36,915 saying how there's been a raid in South Australia, 355 00:33:37,013 --> 00:33:40,569 Tom says "100-plus federal police officers 356 00:33:40,671 --> 00:33:44,090 disrupting their organisation at 5:00 AM this morning". 357 00:33:44,191 --> 00:33:47,889 Jacob has sent a post on their private Telegram channel 358 00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:51,970 saying pretty much all the boys and South Australia were raided. 359 00:33:52,069 --> 00:33:56,009 "I want everyone in Melbourne to completely square their shit away, 360 00:33:56,108 --> 00:33:58,768 "get rid of anything that would not reflect well on our organisation 361 00:33:58,868 --> 00:34:00,288 "should the police find it." 362 00:34:00,387 --> 00:34:02,449 Sounds like that's an order to destroy evidence. 363 00:34:02,547 --> 00:34:04,589 Yeah. That's right. 364 00:35:19,052 --> 00:35:21,231 - Joel, wasn't it? - Yeah. How are you? 365 00:35:21,335 --> 00:35:23,329 - Good buddy, how are you? - Yeah, good. 366 00:35:58,329 --> 00:36:03,048 [phone line trilling] 367 00:36:04,887 --> 00:36:06,887 [car door shuts] 368 00:36:08,326 --> 00:36:10,744 [Dave] Hey, mate. How you goin'? It's all in there. 369 00:36:10,847 --> 00:36:13,067 - How many days is that? - It's probably a week there. 370 00:36:13,164 --> 00:36:15,164 From the 29th. 371 00:36:15,884 --> 00:36:17,625 I'll review and get back in touch. 372 00:36:17,722 --> 00:36:19,722 - I appreciate it. Thanks, mate. - Cheers. 373 00:36:48,241 --> 00:36:49,741 [Dave on phone] The guys in Adelaide, 374 00:36:49,838 --> 00:36:51,539 the lads over there were caught with a sparkler, 375 00:36:51,637 --> 00:36:56,137 and the charges were terrorist material, bomb-making materials. 376 00:36:56,241 --> 00:37:00,375 And things were on their computers and so forth, which alerted the police. 377 00:37:00,478 --> 00:37:03,097 He was giving the instructions to us to clean our act up, 378 00:37:03,195 --> 00:37:05,436 make sure nothing loose was lying around. 379 00:37:28,155 --> 00:37:31,353 He seemed to be in a pretty filthy mood, Tom. 380 00:38:12,744 --> 00:38:16,164 He also says in the same meeting, "Let's get more families involved, 381 00:38:16,268 --> 00:38:17,808 "let's get more wives involved. 382 00:38:17,905 --> 00:38:18,505 That's right. 383 00:38:50,741 --> 00:38:54,798 Once you been there and you gone the next step up, 384 00:38:54,902 --> 00:38:58,161 you're vetted into the next part of the chapter, 385 00:38:58,259 --> 00:39:00,701 they actually give you a white wristband 386 00:39:00,798 --> 00:39:05,058 and that's just a plain elastic band 387 00:39:05,155 --> 00:39:06,539 you put around your arm 388 00:39:06,637 --> 00:39:11,219 so if another member sees it, then he has to shake your hand with half wrist shake. 389 00:39:11,317 --> 00:39:15,338 Not the normal gentlemen's handshake, you go the half wrist 390 00:39:15,436 --> 00:39:17,454 and a hard, forceful shake. 391 00:39:17,558 --> 00:39:20,097 They knew that you hated as much as they did 392 00:39:20,195 --> 00:39:21,972 and that you're up to that level 393 00:39:22,076 --> 00:39:25,597 so you can actually talk to them and elaborate on your hate more. 394 00:39:36,433 --> 00:39:41,231 [men] It is my duty to be a warrior, to be fit, strong and defend my people. 395 00:39:44,152 --> 00:39:47,411 I believe it was a cult 396 00:39:47,512 --> 00:39:51,512 once he got up and said the oath, to be initiated there. 397 00:39:56,628 --> 00:39:58,652 [men chant] I may die, but my blood lives forever. 398 00:39:58,750 --> 00:40:00,750 Until my end, this is my oath. 399 00:40:34,826 --> 00:40:36,826 Alright, let's do it. Goodnight. 400 00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:55,360 Did your heart skip a beat when someone said, "Someone's probably wearing a wire?" 401 00:40:55,463 --> 00:40:59,960 I... I didn't go into panic mode, 402 00:41:00,058 --> 00:41:02,442 I just sort of looked at their eyes 403 00:41:02,539 --> 00:41:06,481 and tried to read which one they thought may have been wearing a wire 404 00:41:06,579 --> 00:41:09,356 but I was safe and secure. 405 00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:11,677 When you looked into their eyes, what did you see? 406 00:41:11,780 --> 00:41:14,896 I just looked in their eye and I seen hatred there. 407 00:41:22,817 --> 00:41:26,954 ♪ Australia, Australia 408 00:41:27,058 --> 00:41:32,076 ♪ For Anglo Saxon race and Southern Cross... ♪ 409 00:41:32,173 --> 00:41:35,213 [Dave] I think they're starting to trust me now. 410 00:41:38,253 --> 00:41:41,192 It's bizarre. It's a strange... 411 00:41:41,295 --> 00:41:44,393 If you weren't watching and seeing and hearing it, 412 00:41:44,491 --> 00:41:46,594 you wouldn't believe it was real. 413 00:41:46,692 --> 00:41:51,110 I mean, the whole thing is predicated on this bizarre cult-like view of the world. 414 00:41:51,213 --> 00:41:56,512 He's believable, and that's the first step. 415 00:41:56,610 --> 00:41:59,548 We want to see these guys in their natural environment 416 00:41:59,652 --> 00:42:01,271 he seems to be fitting in, 417 00:42:01,369 --> 00:42:04,991 although it's horrible listening to him talk 418 00:42:05,088 --> 00:42:07,628 because he's projecting violence, he's projecting racism, 419 00:42:07,731 --> 00:42:12,628 but he's going to do that to be undercover, of course, but yeah, it's... 420 00:42:12,731 --> 00:42:14,887 It's fascinating. 421 00:42:23,527 --> 00:42:25,829 They'll be in there. 422 00:42:25,927 --> 00:42:30,463 It's one thing to talk a bit of shit at a backyard training event, 423 00:42:30,567 --> 00:42:32,664 which is what he is doing well, 424 00:42:32,768 --> 00:42:36,347 but it's going to be a whole other level of infiltration 425 00:42:36,445 --> 00:42:38,625 to actually get into the inner core of the group. 426 00:42:38,722 --> 00:42:40,786 Unless he can, sort of, merge into that, 427 00:42:40,884 --> 00:42:43,183 I think he's going to be always on the outer rim - 428 00:42:43,286 --> 00:42:47,183 that's still fine, we're looking in, we're closer than anyone got before. 429 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,820 - [speaks Inaudibly] - Sorry? 430 00:42:49,923 --> 00:42:51,981 Were you saying you don't reckon there'll be enough seats? 431 00:42:52,085 --> 00:42:55,664 This interaction with the younger guys in and around the group is fascinating 432 00:42:55,762 --> 00:42:59,204 because we're seeing young people being brainwashed, effectively. 433 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,463 [Nazzaro] It's 9:00PM, 434 00:43:04,561 --> 00:43:08,360 we'll be interviewing a guy from Australia named Will Power. 435 00:43:14,597 --> 00:43:16,597 [man] I can hear you fine. 436 00:45:19,338 --> 00:45:25,539 [Nazzaro] So that's what drives everything that we're doing, on a tactical level. 437 00:45:35,735 --> 00:45:37,735 [metal gate clangs] 438 00:45:51,494 --> 00:45:52,835 [camera clicks] 439 00:45:52,933 --> 00:45:56,536 [Dave] In there? Hey, Blake. Good to see you. 440 00:46:17,012 --> 00:46:19,012 [man] I know a bunch of guys in there. 441 00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:40,491 [Nick] When you're told to go to this birthday party, what were you told? 442 00:48:40,588 --> 00:48:44,268 [Dave on phone] We were summoned to Adolf Hitler's birthday party. 443 00:48:46,268 --> 00:48:48,445 And I'm thinking, "Shit..." 444 00:48:48,548 --> 00:48:51,527 I don't know what we were gonna do, blow his candles out for him? 445 00:48:51,625 --> 00:48:54,646 We gathered at headquarters, HQ, 446 00:48:54,744 --> 00:48:56,963 and we lit a fire out the back 447 00:48:57,067 --> 00:49:01,527 and Tom read out some prayers in relation to Adolf Hitler 448 00:49:01,625 --> 00:49:04,646 and the great works that he believes he's done. 449 00:49:04,744 --> 00:49:09,521 And I found it so bizarre, so strange. - Why? 450 00:49:09,625 --> 00:49:12,643 It's just not a normal birthday party, 451 00:49:12,741 --> 00:49:15,923 you stand around a fire drum and speak in hatred 452 00:49:16,021 --> 00:49:19,902 and praising someone up that destroyed so many lives. 453 00:50:33,289 --> 00:50:37,847 Tom actually wholly believes that he's Hitler's spiritual son. 454 00:50:39,128 --> 00:50:41,512 Hitler's spiritual son? He truly believes that? 455 00:50:41,610 --> 00:50:46,869 Truly believes he's Hitler's spiritual son. 456 00:50:46,969 --> 00:50:49,866 Sometimes I've seen him when he's had a haircut 457 00:50:49,969 --> 00:50:54,866 and he actually has the short sides and then he folds the fringe over, 458 00:50:54,969 --> 00:50:57,625 exactly how Hitler does. 459 00:50:57,728 --> 00:50:59,588 And in meetings, mainly meetings, 460 00:50:59,686 --> 00:51:02,586 he speaks as if he's copycatting Hitler speech. 461 00:51:16,963 --> 00:51:18,344 I'll fuckin'... 462 00:51:19,442 --> 00:51:24,061 You peel off and talk to a guy from Crown Casino. 463 00:51:24,164 --> 00:51:27,423 That's right. I said, "What you do for a crust?" 464 00:51:27,521 --> 00:51:32,981 He told me he was a senior security advisor at the Crown Casino. 465 00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:35,483 And I didn't think Crown Casino 466 00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:40,098 would have employees affiliated with Tom Sewell's crew. 467 00:52:16,135 --> 00:52:19,513 I'm listening very, very carefully to one of these parts on these videos 468 00:52:19,617 --> 00:52:25,894 where Tom's talking about funding the bail for a terror suspect in NSW. 469 00:52:27,416 --> 00:52:29,312 There was a young lad 470 00:52:29,416 --> 00:52:35,410 that got arrested for terror material and so forth in Albury. 471 00:52:48,169 --> 00:52:50,348 [Nick] We found a name, was it [bleep]? 472 00:52:50,452 --> 00:52:55,089 [Dave] Yes. The two offered money to get him bail. 473 00:53:03,166 --> 00:53:06,464 Tom said, "He's not a member but he's one of us." 474 00:53:06,568 --> 00:53:11,705 It's serious, what he's accused of, planning a mass-casualty attack. 475 00:53:11,803 --> 00:53:15,305 Yeah, that's right, and that's why Tom wanted to assist him 476 00:53:15,403 --> 00:53:17,125 and try to get him out on bail 477 00:53:17,162 --> 00:53:22,384 because he would've been a really good member in the NSN for Tom 478 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,344 because he showed courage, in Tom's eyes. 479 00:53:25,442 --> 00:53:27,625 Seems very revealing that they say publicly 480 00:53:27,721 --> 00:53:31,020 "We don't support accused terrorists, we're not violent, 481 00:53:31,125 --> 00:53:33,221 yet behind the scenes, they're saying, 482 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,183 "Right, let's pay the bail for a terror suspect." 483 00:53:36,279 --> 00:53:39,703 That's right. I found it so bizarre. 484 00:53:39,802 --> 00:53:43,779 How was the Christchurch terrorist treated by the group? 485 00:53:43,878 --> 00:53:50,358 They worshiped him. They worshipped Adolf Hitler and they worshipped him. 486 00:53:50,461 --> 00:53:54,597 He set an example. Take a stance and this is why you do this. 487 00:53:54,695 --> 00:53:57,338 "This is what we stand for." 488 00:55:41,003 --> 00:55:45,222 Hold up a sec, I've just got the vision up here now, so I can see three guys, 489 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,262 it looks like a pudgy guy with a beard, that would be Ty. 490 00:55:50,361 --> 00:55:52,903 - Yes. - Vinnie with blonde hair. 491 00:55:53,001 --> 00:55:54,178 Yes. 492 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:59,061 And the guy we've ID'd and Steve Zoumis, a gun-enthusiast. 493 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,160 That's right. 494 00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:18,019 The property they really wanted was around Puckapunyal at Seymour, 495 00:56:18,117 --> 00:56:21,137 because they want to set their own shooting range up. 496 00:56:21,236 --> 00:56:26,053 And do all their practice out there with rifles and so forth 497 00:56:26,155 --> 00:56:28,053 and it would've been a good disguise 498 00:56:28,155 --> 00:56:30,771 because there's that much shooting out there 499 00:56:30,876 --> 00:56:32,376 due to the Army training and practicing, 500 00:56:32,472 --> 00:56:34,175 there would be no phone calls to the police. 501 00:56:34,271 --> 00:56:36,213 People...normal citizens around there 502 00:56:36,311 --> 00:56:39,175 would've thought, "Hello, it's just the Puckapunyal army base 503 00:56:39,271 --> 00:56:40,733 "doing their shooting". 504 00:56:40,836 --> 00:56:45,894 Is it right...did you feel they wanted to make this their foundation stone 505 00:56:45,992 --> 00:56:48,394 for a white-only community? 506 00:56:49,352 --> 00:56:51,811 Yes. And then reach out from there. 507 00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:57,570 Have all their rifle practice and all their martial arts trained blokes, 508 00:56:57,669 --> 00:56:59,669 it was all secure. 509 00:57:16,028 --> 00:57:20,003 We need to be racially segregated from these other people, 510 00:57:20,108 --> 00:57:22,327 we need to form our own nations, our own communities, 511 00:57:22,425 --> 00:57:26,646 and we don't agree with this multicultural experiment anymore. 512 00:57:26,745 --> 00:57:29,108 And they're absolutely fucking frightened by that. 513 00:57:31,704 --> 00:57:34,126 The state in the is in absolute fear of us, 514 00:57:34,222 --> 00:57:36,925 it doesn't know how to manage the situation... 515 00:57:37,021 --> 00:57:39,561 [Nazzaro] To me, the collapse is a means to an end. 516 00:57:39,666 --> 00:57:44,086 The point of it is that it leads to power vacuums 517 00:57:44,184 --> 00:57:48,722 that we can fill in order to control territory. 518 00:57:48,820 --> 00:57:53,403 That's the point of the power vacuums is so that we can control territory 519 00:57:53,503 --> 00:57:55,503 and then impose our will. 520 00:57:58,184 --> 00:58:02,820 As society continues to collapse, 521 00:58:03,579 --> 00:58:06,320 and anarchy builds and law and order breaks down, 522 00:58:06,419 --> 00:58:11,079 well, then there's not really much of a reason to be as secretive anymore. 523 00:58:11,178 --> 00:58:15,195 It'll be our turn to shine. We want things to accelerate. 524 00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:17,695 So anything that adds to that is good. 525 00:58:18,977 --> 00:58:22,916 [Dave on phone] Mate, my beliefs are they are very dangerous, 526 00:58:23,019 --> 00:58:26,878 which ones don't have guns want to get guns. 527 00:58:26,977 --> 00:58:31,053 There could be another New Zealand massacre. 528 00:58:33,137 --> 00:58:37,233 Well, the security team have told us that there is a level of violence, 529 00:58:37,336 --> 00:58:40,396 a level of tension in the group that has suddenly escalated. 530 00:58:40,495 --> 00:58:43,077 And we can't have you anywhere near that, 531 00:58:43,175 --> 00:58:45,713 so the safest thing now is to get you out. 532 00:58:45,811 --> 00:58:49,271 Are you sure, mate? I feel safe, I could take this a lot further. 533 00:58:49,376 --> 00:58:53,394 I know you think you can handle it, but we can't take any risks. 534 00:58:53,492 --> 00:58:55,916 Yeah, totally understand where you're coming from. 535 00:58:56,012 --> 00:58:59,713 Build your cover story, find the safe way to get out, 536 00:58:59,811 --> 00:59:01,753 and we down tools from now. 537 00:59:01,852 --> 00:59:03,628 - Copy. Understood. - OK. 538 00:59:03,733 --> 00:59:04,992 - See you, mate. - Thanks. 539 00:59:05,088 --> 00:59:08,193 [voice on megaphone] I need you to come out the front door 540 00:59:08,291 --> 00:59:11,570 one at a time with nothing in your hands... 541 00:59:21,530 --> 00:59:25,108 [Dave] A message went out on our encrypted phones 542 00:59:25,204 --> 00:59:27,204 that the raid is in progress. 543 00:59:28,646 --> 00:59:33,528 "Tidy your computers up ASAP. We've been raided just now." 544 00:59:43,003 --> 00:59:48,684 I can put all that garbage behind me and let the government deal with it now. 545 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,204 Is it a relief to be out of the group finally? 546 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,943 It's like the old saying, who you hang around is who you become 547 00:59:57,041 --> 01:00:03,021 and I started becoming one of Tom Sewell's recruits. 548 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:09,983 I was living the life, I was living the words that he spoke. 549 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:11,983 I started actually... I had to pull myself up 550 01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:14,061 from nearly believing what he was saying, 551 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,280 it's so quick to get brainwashed in there. 552 01:00:19,436 --> 01:00:23,097 This life, I've just, you know, cleanse myself, 553 01:00:23,195 --> 01:00:29,396 I don't have to look over my shoulder, it's just a great feeling to be free. 554 01:00:30,236 --> 01:00:35,916 Not to hate anyone just to be meself, get that hatred out of meself. 555 01:00:37,358 --> 01:00:39,617 It was disturbing what you saw. 556 01:00:39,713 --> 01:00:46,858 The biggest surprise was the young kids that are involved, they're only teenagers. 557 01:00:47,754 --> 01:00:50,696 It was disturbing, absolutely disturbing. 558 01:00:50,795 --> 01:00:56,475 And I hope we prevented any serious things happening in Australia. 559 01:01:06,227 --> 01:01:08,534 [Nick] They're in training for a race war. 560 01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:10,929 They're what's known as an accelerationist group. 561 01:01:11,034 --> 01:01:14,871 They are trying to accelerate a mass societal conflict. 562 01:01:15,947 --> 01:01:20,970 And have their members ready...armed and ready when government collapses 563 01:01:21,070 --> 01:01:28,610 and the white man has to fight for supremacy. 564 01:01:29,408 --> 01:01:35,026 It sounds insane, but they have genuine adherents 565 01:01:35,129 --> 01:01:40,446 who believe that they are in training for a race war. 566 01:01:55,301 --> 01:01:58,685 When a newspaperman defiles a TV star's bathroom, 567 01:01:58,783 --> 01:02:00,783 gotta clean it up. 568 01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:11,283 One strange thing working on this program for me, in the back of my mind, 569 01:02:11,379 --> 01:02:15,600 not in a major way, but in a small way, is I'm Jewish. 570 01:02:15,703 --> 01:02:22,203 My mother's a Polish Jew. I lost relatives in the Holocaust. 571 01:02:22,301 --> 01:02:27,321 And for me, the danger of neo-Naziism is real, um... 572 01:02:27,419 --> 01:02:33,993 It's still relatively recent, WWII, and we all... 573 01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:40,196 Everyone's family has a story or a connection to racism and brutality. 574 01:02:40,294 --> 01:02:42,397 [phone chimes] 575 01:02:42,493 --> 01:02:44,937 Just... 576 01:03:13,094 --> 01:03:15,788 [clock ticks] 577 01:03:15,893 --> 01:03:18,826 Good evening and welcome to a special edition of 60 Minutes. 578 01:03:18,933 --> 01:03:20,547 I'm Nick McKenzie. 579 01:03:20,652 --> 01:03:24,310 Tonight, we expose a toxic and dangerous world of hate. 580 01:03:24,411 --> 01:03:27,951 As we go inside the neo-Nazi movement in this country. 581 01:03:28,047 --> 01:03:31,788 Now, many of you might find it difficult to believe the extent 582 01:03:31,884 --> 01:03:33,750 of far right extremism here. 583 01:03:33,846 --> 01:03:37,587 The appalling racism and demands for violent uprisings. 584 01:03:37,692 --> 01:03:40,509 But the shocking truth is these groups are growing. 585 01:03:40,605 --> 01:03:45,587 For years, Australia's neo-Nazis have used their anonymity as armour. 586 01:03:45,685 --> 01:03:48,509 Our infiltration of the largest organisation, 587 01:03:48,605 --> 01:03:52,067 the National Socialist Network, ends that protection. 588 01:03:52,163 --> 01:03:55,866 And a strong warning – you're going to be outraged 589 01:03:55,962 --> 01:03:59,045 and likely offended by what you see and hear. 590 01:04:03,045 --> 01:04:06,743 For decades, the widely held view in most Western nations 591 01:04:06,844 --> 01:04:10,045 was that danger came from the outside, not within. 592 01:04:10,884 --> 01:04:13,701 [newsreader] New Zealand has endured its darkest day. 593 01:04:13,801 --> 01:04:16,259 But attacks like New Zealand's Christchurch massacre... 594 01:04:16,366 --> 01:04:19,143 Unprecedented act of violence. 595 01:04:19,241 --> 01:04:20,538 [people chant] USA! USA! 596 01:04:20,643 --> 01:04:24,779 - [Nick] ..and the Capitol riots in the US... - USA! USA! 597 01:04:24,877 --> 01:04:27,297 ..have blown up this theory. 598 01:04:27,402 --> 01:04:32,000 USA! USA! USA! USA! 599 01:04:36,241 --> 01:04:39,500 The threat posed to Australia by domestic terrorism 600 01:04:39,596 --> 01:04:42,942 was the starting point for this investigation by 60 Minutes, 601 01:04:43,038 --> 01:04:45,018 The Age, and The Sydney Morning Herald. 602 01:04:45,116 --> 01:04:48,176 But to unmask the members of these far-right groups, 603 01:04:48,279 --> 01:04:50,058 we had to make a very risky call. 604 01:04:50,154 --> 01:04:56,297 The decision to go undercover and try to infiltrate an extremist cell. 605 01:04:57,094 --> 01:04:59,234 Now we can reveal for the first time 606 01:04:59,335 --> 01:05:03,553 some of the secret members of this neo-Nazi group. 607 01:05:03,652 --> 01:05:06,076 The man with deep criminal connections 608 01:05:06,172 --> 01:05:11,672 including to international neo-Nazi terror group Combat 18 is Danny Newman. 609 01:05:11,768 --> 01:05:15,232 The NSN's rural property scout is Steve Zoumis 610 01:05:15,330 --> 01:05:18,749 seen here proudly posing with a gun. 611 01:05:18,850 --> 01:05:22,987 We've identified several team members who we won't name. 612 01:05:23,091 --> 01:05:27,467 But older core members include Crown Resorts security manager 613 01:05:27,565 --> 01:05:29,350 Daniel Todisco. 614 01:05:29,447 --> 01:05:33,389 Michael Edwards, who is recruiting neo-Nazis in the bush. 615 01:05:33,487 --> 01:05:37,124 And Tyrel Cameron, an IT consultant for a federal government body. 616 01:05:38,365 --> 01:05:43,908 And member of outlaw motorcycle gang the Finks is Ulf Lindfors-Beswick. 617 01:05:44,005 --> 01:05:48,025 The most likely terrorist attack will be the actions of a lone actor. 618 01:05:48,124 --> 01:05:50,627 This group, National Socialist Network, 619 01:05:50,725 --> 01:05:51,865 which is one which is known in public, 620 01:05:51,964 --> 01:05:54,382 it's not ISIL, it's a very different group, 621 01:05:54,485 --> 01:05:59,906 nonetheless, their views and where it goes to promoting acts of violence 622 01:06:00,002 --> 01:06:03,859 is of grave concern, and it does get the full attention of ourselves, 623 01:06:03,966 --> 01:06:07,821 the federal police and our state and territory law enforcement colleagues. 624 01:06:07,917 --> 01:06:11,783 What percentage of your critical caseload, your highest priority cases 625 01:06:11,879 --> 01:06:15,821 are dedicated to groups like neo-Nazi cells and other like-minded groups? 626 01:06:15,917 --> 01:06:18,100 So right now, that cohort is 50% 627 01:06:18,197 --> 01:06:21,562 of our on shore priority counterterrorism caseload. 628 01:06:24,917 --> 01:06:27,398 [lift bell chimes] 629 01:06:47,397 --> 01:06:52,292 The Australian Council of Jewry has emailed me 630 01:06:52,389 --> 01:06:57,889 saying the neo-Nazis have found an old tweet I've done 631 01:06:57,993 --> 01:07:00,533 where I disclose that my mother is Jewish, 632 01:07:00,630 --> 01:07:03,292 obviously I'm Jewish, I'm proudly Jewish, 633 01:07:03,389 --> 01:07:08,848 but now, it's my personal life, my mother would not, you know, she'd be horrified 634 01:07:08,953 --> 01:07:11,308 to think that she's been dragged into this 635 01:07:11,431 --> 01:07:14,607 but they're now reposting that tweet and being anti-Semitic 636 01:07:14,712 --> 01:07:19,366 and making a very personal attack, and it's upsetting... 637 01:07:19,471 --> 01:07:24,665 It makes you realise what total fuckwits they are, basically. 638 01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:39,165 It says, "You have now acquired the echo symbol around your name," 639 01:07:39,268 --> 01:07:41,384 I don't know what the echo symbol is. 640 01:07:48,183 --> 01:07:50,007 [reads] "The echo is an online... 641 01:07:50,105 --> 01:07:52,404 "used by anti-Semites, a multi-parenthesis around a name 642 01:07:52,507 --> 01:07:54,404 "to indicate they are Jewish." 643 01:07:54,507 --> 01:07:57,904 [man] Star of David? 644 01:08:02,663 --> 01:08:04,163 I wonder how I react to this. 645 01:08:04,259 --> 01:08:08,942 Do you ignore it or do you... It makes me want to respond back. 646 01:08:11,578 --> 01:08:17,684 To stand up for, you know, for myself and, you know, it's annoying, 647 01:08:17,782 --> 01:08:20,684 it's upsetting, but it's... 648 01:08:20,782 --> 01:08:23,904 I don't want to be thin-skinned, either. 649 01:09:31,092 --> 01:09:36,754 I underestimated just how dangerous some of them are. 650 01:09:36,851 --> 01:09:39,493 The fact that they are totally brainwashed. 651 01:09:41,975 --> 01:09:45,832 There's lots of really young, angry white men, 652 01:09:45,931 --> 01:09:50,148 they haven't got the opportunities they think are owed to them. 653 01:09:50,252 --> 01:09:56,270 They struggle for work, there's economic insecurity. There's social disharmony. 654 01:09:56,370 --> 01:09:58,550 They are outliers in the mainstream community 655 01:09:58,648 --> 01:10:00,629 and they come together and they bond over this. 656 01:10:00,729 --> 01:10:04,609 And neo-Nazism becomes the reason to be. 657 01:10:07,166 --> 01:10:11,504 They're trying to get back power from this imaginary enemy 658 01:10:11,609 --> 01:10:14,264 that they think has stolen it from them. 659 01:10:14,368 --> 01:10:18,425 And they can't get it through normal means, the normal political process. 660 01:10:18,523 --> 01:10:22,648 They want what they think's owed to them now. 661 01:10:24,166 --> 01:10:27,666 They realise the only way they're gonna make a noise 662 01:10:27,764 --> 01:10:31,824 is by threatening harm, causing fear, 663 01:10:31,925 --> 01:10:38,725 and that's where they're dangerous, because they have normalised hate. 664 01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,064 Giggling over a video of the Christchurch terrorist 665 01:10:45,163 --> 01:10:48,225 murdering people in cold blood and in cowardly fashion 666 01:10:48,323 --> 01:10:53,243 is, for some of them, like breathing air. 667 01:10:58,243 --> 01:11:00,020 There's so much anger in our society, 668 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,217 in parts of our society, about what's going on. 669 01:11:02,318 --> 01:11:06,254 They're going to be saying "Great, we'll use this anger, 670 01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:10,717 "this discontent with government, to draw people over to our movement. 671 01:11:13,157 --> 01:11:19,458 Some are anti-vaxxers, some are anti-Semites, some are neo-Nazis. 672 01:11:19,559 --> 01:11:21,773 It's the Jews! 673 01:11:21,877 --> 01:11:24,773 [Nick] They want to find the angry and the disillusioned 674 01:11:24,877 --> 01:11:28,014 and the rejected and bring them together, give them an identity, 675 01:11:28,118 --> 01:11:31,636 they give them a feeling of a coherent sense of purpose. 676 01:11:33,157 --> 01:11:38,050 Some are just scared, angry people who fear for loss of jobs, 677 01:11:38,154 --> 01:11:42,092 some are full-blown conspiracy theorists, 678 01:11:42,193 --> 01:11:46,452 but all harbour these deep-seated grievances, 679 01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:47,693 and there's enough people 680 01:11:47,791 --> 01:11:50,211 prepared not just to think that and type that and be online, 681 01:11:50,314 --> 01:11:54,629 but to take it to the streets and, you know, take out cops and be violent. 682 01:11:56,752 --> 01:12:00,407 And we see it here with young white men, mostly, 683 01:12:00,511 --> 01:12:03,129 and older white men who feel left behind, 684 01:12:03,229 --> 01:12:06,690 who are furious, they're furious here, they're angry in America, 685 01:12:06,791 --> 01:12:09,050 across Europe, they're seeking 686 01:12:09,148 --> 01:12:13,166 what they think is reclaiming lost power, lost identity. 687 01:12:13,264 --> 01:12:17,129 They've been spat out by a fairly difficult environment, 688 01:12:17,226 --> 01:12:19,925 socio-economic environment. 689 01:12:20,023 --> 01:12:24,346 And they find that sense of power, 690 01:12:24,448 --> 01:12:29,448 purpose, through extreme ideology. 691 01:13:07,757 --> 01:13:11,300 [speaks German] 692 01:13:11,398 --> 01:13:16,119 [voices] Sieg heil! Sieg heil! Sieg heil! 693 01:13:41,873 --> 01:13:44,092 [Nick] If you had the ear of a young guy 694 01:13:44,193 --> 01:13:46,773 that was in the National Socialist Network, 695 01:13:46,873 --> 01:13:54,032 a young budding neo-Nazi, how would you convince that person to get out? 696 01:13:55,351 --> 01:14:00,092 [Dave] I thought there were a couple of times to pull a couple aside 697 01:14:00,190 --> 01:14:04,129 and say "Hey," one at a time say, "Do you really need this? 698 01:14:04,230 --> 01:14:08,208 "This is not the path for you, you look like you got talent, 699 01:14:08,309 --> 01:14:12,770 "it looks like you can go places, but this is just gonna bring you down, mate." 700 01:14:12,872 --> 01:14:17,091 I would have to show him there's no light at the end of the tunnel 701 01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:19,489 for this sort of behaviour. 702 01:14:19,591 --> 01:14:23,248 Where... "You've got life to live yet, you're only young, 703 01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:28,666 "you don't need this role, sitting in jail or regretting what you may have done."