1 00:00:43,521 --> 00:00:46,785 Movies are extremely compelling expressions, 2 00:00:48,178 --> 00:00:50,093 not only of stories, 3 00:00:51,442 --> 00:00:53,096 not only of drama, 4 00:00:55,751 --> 00:00:57,231 but of the zeitgeist. 5 00:00:58,449 --> 00:01:00,234 They reflect back to us who we are 6 00:01:01,583 --> 00:01:02,932 politically, 7 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:05,935 socially, 8 00:01:07,197 --> 00:01:09,112 religiously. 9 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:13,551 There are certain themes whose moments, 10 00:01:13,595 --> 00:01:16,424 whose time have arrived. 11 00:01:16,467 --> 00:01:19,688 And the Satanic themes that appeared in "Rosemary's Baby" 12 00:01:19,731 --> 00:01:23,518 just seemed perfectly in step with the tenor of the times. 13 00:01:25,041 --> 00:01:26,869 In 1968, 14 00:01:26,912 --> 00:01:29,132 everything was kind of changing culturally. 15 00:01:30,829 --> 00:01:33,223 The Vietnam war was really at its worst, 16 00:01:33,267 --> 00:01:36,052 so there was a massive youth movement to stop the war. 17 00:01:37,662 --> 00:01:39,621 A lot of people, including the government, 18 00:01:39,664 --> 00:01:42,580 feared that this revolution was actually gonna happen 19 00:01:42,624 --> 00:01:44,147 in the United States, 20 00:01:44,191 --> 00:01:46,193 fueled by the youth of America. 21 00:01:47,542 --> 00:01:50,588 It was a violent, turbulent time. 22 00:01:50,632 --> 00:01:53,156 Male This is a CBS News Special Report. 23 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,637 The death of Dr. Martin Luther King Junior. 24 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,334 In 1968, 25 00:01:57,378 --> 00:01:59,249 there was the Martin Luther King assassination. 26 00:02:00,598 --> 00:02:02,905 There was the Robert Kennedy assassination. 27 00:02:04,298 --> 00:02:06,691 I always say horror films reflect the times we live, 28 00:02:06,735 --> 00:02:08,171 "Rosemary's Baby" came out 29 00:02:08,215 --> 00:02:11,000 at a pivotal moment in history. 30 00:02:11,043 --> 00:02:14,177 The world was really changing, 31 00:02:14,221 --> 00:02:16,397 and horror films changed with it. 32 00:02:18,529 --> 00:02:20,879 "Rosemary's Baby" was a milestone movie. 33 00:02:22,316 --> 00:02:25,928 Not too many mainstream Hollywood films, even now, 34 00:02:25,971 --> 00:02:28,713 would deal with a story of a young woman, 35 00:02:28,757 --> 00:02:31,107 raped and impregnated by the devil. 36 00:02:33,675 --> 00:02:35,372 I think it's one of the greatest horror movies 37 00:02:35,416 --> 00:02:37,722 ever made for the very simple reason 38 00:02:37,766 --> 00:02:40,769 that it presents the adversary... 39 00:02:40,812 --> 00:02:42,597 as us! 40 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:44,903 Not someone who transforms under a full moon, 41 00:02:46,166 --> 00:02:47,906 comes out only at night. 42 00:02:49,952 --> 00:02:52,433 But the adversary is my slightly wacky, 43 00:02:52,476 --> 00:02:55,566 eccentric, nosy, if likable, neighbors. 44 00:02:55,610 --> 00:02:57,612 And I think that's the movie's genius. 45 00:02:59,266 --> 00:03:01,093 - That's one of the twists. 46 00:03:01,137 --> 00:03:03,270 - This is for you, from Roman and me. 47 00:03:03,313 --> 00:03:06,447 - It gave people a different idea of what Satanists are. 48 00:03:06,490 --> 00:03:08,188 - It's lovely. 49 00:03:08,231 --> 00:03:10,277 - As a child growing up, 50 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,670 just emerging as a Satanist when I was 12-years-old, 51 00:03:14,368 --> 00:03:17,371 when I heard for the first time from someone else's lips 52 00:03:17,414 --> 00:03:19,503 besides mine, "Hail Satan," 53 00:03:19,547 --> 00:03:21,636 - Hail, Satan! - Hail, Satan! 54 00:03:21,679 --> 00:03:23,203 - Satan is his father! 55 00:03:23,246 --> 00:03:24,900 - It was inspiring. It was strengthening. 56 00:03:24,943 --> 00:03:26,380 If you're not a Satanist, 57 00:03:26,423 --> 00:03:28,164 and you're not rooting for the Satanists, 58 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:29,861 I suppose it might be a different perception. 59 00:03:29,905 --> 00:03:31,123 - Oh God! 60 00:03:32,864 --> 00:03:35,040 Polanski was in many ways a bellwether of his times. 61 00:03:37,304 --> 00:03:40,698 He, too, observed that traditional hierarchies 62 00:03:40,742 --> 00:03:42,570 were being upended. 63 00:03:44,049 --> 00:03:46,965 There was fascination with witchcraft, 64 00:03:47,009 --> 00:03:49,751 and questions of the afterlife. 65 00:03:51,883 --> 00:03:54,321 And of course, with Anton Lavey's founding 66 00:03:54,364 --> 00:03:56,105 of the Church of Satan, 67 00:03:56,148 --> 00:03:58,586 there was a question about whether adversarial forces 68 00:03:58,629 --> 00:04:00,501 represented a legitimate 69 00:04:00,544 --> 00:04:02,851 spiritual or ethical path for people. 70 00:04:02,894 --> 00:04:05,767 So, suddenly doors to the infinite were thrown open. 71 00:04:05,810 --> 00:04:07,682 And that was part of the counterculture. 72 00:04:09,031 --> 00:04:11,251 - There was definitely a synergy 73 00:04:11,294 --> 00:04:14,602 between the Church of Satan and "Rosemary's Baby." 74 00:04:17,344 --> 00:04:19,998 As far as "Rosemary's Baby" actually being cursed, 75 00:04:21,826 --> 00:04:24,002 As far as somebody dying 76 00:04:24,046 --> 00:04:27,267 or tragedy happening attached to the film itself, 77 00:04:29,660 --> 00:04:31,662 there is an idea 78 00:04:31,706 --> 00:04:34,056 that if you make a wicked film, 79 00:04:34,099 --> 00:04:36,014 a dark film, 80 00:04:36,058 --> 00:04:37,407 then you're opening yourself 81 00:04:37,451 --> 00:04:39,322 up to forces outside yourself 82 00:04:40,889 --> 00:04:43,326 that could influence your life in a negative way. 83 00:04:45,763 --> 00:04:47,852 "Rosemary's Baby" is considered cursed, 84 00:04:49,114 --> 00:04:52,030 partly because of its proximity and time 85 00:04:52,074 --> 00:04:55,556 to the murder of Polanski's wife, 86 00:04:55,599 --> 00:04:57,297 Sharon Tate, 87 00:04:57,340 --> 00:04:59,124 and her housemates. 88 00:05:04,086 --> 00:05:06,306 Polanski met Sharon Tate in London 89 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:09,526 in swinging 1967. 90 00:05:12,268 --> 00:05:14,531 Sharon Tate was obviously ambitious. 91 00:05:14,575 --> 00:05:16,316 - I feel a little top-heavy. 92 00:05:16,359 --> 00:05:18,143 - You are a little top-heavy. 93 00:05:20,058 --> 00:05:21,582 What's your ultimate ambition? 94 00:05:21,625 --> 00:05:24,889 - I want to remain as much myself as possible, 95 00:05:24,933 --> 00:05:27,544 you know, and just do what really excites me, 96 00:05:27,588 --> 00:05:29,329 and interests me. 97 00:05:29,372 --> 00:05:31,548 She was also smart enough to see 98 00:05:31,592 --> 00:05:33,724 that Polanski was a man with a future. 99 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,903 Roman's absolutely a genius. 100 00:05:41,558 --> 00:05:43,212 And he was a hard-luck guy. 101 00:05:43,255 --> 00:05:45,083 He's a brilliant director, 102 00:05:45,127 --> 00:05:46,737 and he had a lot of hard luck in his life 103 00:05:46,781 --> 00:05:48,957 and I'm sure that leaves its mark, 104 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,569 but only a psychiatrist would know that. 105 00:06:01,752 --> 00:06:03,406 My name is Julian Wasser. 106 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:06,191 I'm a photo-documentarian. 107 00:06:06,235 --> 00:06:08,193 I'm a photojournalist. 108 00:06:09,847 --> 00:06:11,893 I started when I was 11, 109 00:06:11,936 --> 00:06:14,417 I put a police radio in my father's car. 110 00:06:14,461 --> 00:06:16,245 I would steal his car and go out, 111 00:06:16,288 --> 00:06:18,900 shoot horrible crime scenes. 112 00:06:18,943 --> 00:06:21,337 What makes a good crime photograph? 113 00:06:21,381 --> 00:06:24,558 - Blood. Someone burned alive, something like that. 114 00:06:24,601 --> 00:06:27,299 A suicidal-like, Talbert Street Bridge, 115 00:06:27,343 --> 00:06:29,214 where the person lands on the concrete 116 00:06:29,258 --> 00:06:31,173 and they're smashed to pieces. 117 00:06:31,216 --> 00:06:33,218 Anything horrible. 118 00:06:34,829 --> 00:06:36,657 And how did that transition into 119 00:06:36,700 --> 00:06:39,050 photographing celebrities? 120 00:06:39,094 --> 00:06:40,704 Well, in L.A., what else is there 121 00:06:40,748 --> 00:06:43,011 except celebrities? That's what sells. 122 00:06:43,054 --> 00:06:44,969 That's what everybody in the world wants to see. 123 00:06:45,013 --> 00:06:46,406 Marilyn Monroe, 124 00:06:46,449 --> 00:06:48,103 Marlon Brando, 125 00:06:48,146 --> 00:06:49,974 people like that. 126 00:06:50,018 --> 00:06:52,150 I worked on the set of "Rosemary's Baby." 127 00:06:52,194 --> 00:06:55,153 Anything Roman Polanski touched was a big, big deal. 128 00:06:55,197 --> 00:06:57,373 You had uh, Mia Farrow in that, 129 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:58,983 I think she was married to Sinatra then. 130 00:07:00,681 --> 00:07:02,378 and Bob Evans, 131 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:04,424 another charismatic guy who was involved. 132 00:07:04,467 --> 00:07:06,121 So it was a big deal, 133 00:07:06,164 --> 00:07:08,297 I-I felt very privileged 134 00:07:08,340 --> 00:07:10,212 to be able to work on that set. 135 00:07:10,255 --> 00:07:12,301 And there's Mia Farrow in the background 136 00:07:12,344 --> 00:07:14,825 with a knife on the floor, 137 00:07:14,869 --> 00:07:17,741 and then Bud Fraker, the camera guy on the right, 138 00:07:17,785 --> 00:07:20,396 he's since passed on. 139 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,746 This was in 1968. It was a long time ago. 140 00:07:26,228 --> 00:07:28,535 "Rosemary's Baby" was written by Ira Levin, 141 00:07:30,406 --> 00:07:33,496 a self-professed New York atheist. 142 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:36,934 And Levin asked himself the question one day, 143 00:07:36,978 --> 00:07:38,806 what would it be like 144 00:07:38,849 --> 00:07:41,112 if I took a scene from everyday life, 145 00:07:41,156 --> 00:07:43,245 a young woman becoming pregnant, 146 00:07:43,288 --> 00:07:45,508 and made it into a kind of a nightmare? 147 00:07:46,814 --> 00:07:48,555 - Dr. Hill? Congratulations. 148 00:07:48,598 --> 00:07:50,470 - Really? 149 00:07:50,513 --> 00:07:52,472 You're also seeing this horror 150 00:07:52,515 --> 00:07:54,299 of women at that time period. 151 00:07:54,343 --> 00:07:56,867 When you watch that movie, there's always an older man 152 00:07:56,911 --> 00:07:59,087 guiding her by the back of her arm. 153 00:07:59,130 --> 00:08:01,655 She's always being told to ignore her instincts, 154 00:08:01,698 --> 00:08:03,439 to always just sort of mold 155 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:05,397 to whatever these men want from her, 156 00:08:05,441 --> 00:08:07,791 and she's really absorbing that. 157 00:08:07,835 --> 00:08:10,490 That was the story for women for so many generations 158 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:13,536 that they didn't have any other choice 159 00:08:13,580 --> 00:08:16,408 but to mold within that world, or perish. 160 00:08:16,452 --> 00:08:18,410 It's saying something about her, 161 00:08:18,454 --> 00:08:20,543 but it's also equally subversive 162 00:08:20,587 --> 00:08:22,893 in that she's going against her own Catholic faith 163 00:08:22,937 --> 00:08:25,896 to raise this satanic child. 164 00:08:29,030 --> 00:08:31,772 One important aspect that defines "Rosemary's Baby" 165 00:08:31,815 --> 00:08:33,600 is William Castle's involvement. 166 00:08:35,950 --> 00:08:38,909 My dad was the nicest, kindest, 167 00:08:40,171 --> 00:08:42,304 most compassionate man, 168 00:08:42,347 --> 00:08:45,002 who just happened to love to scare the Hell outta people. 169 00:08:47,352 --> 00:08:49,920 He was a well- respected director/producer. 170 00:08:52,096 --> 00:08:54,098 - Do you believe in ghosts? 171 00:08:54,142 --> 00:08:55,709 You know, but most of his films, you know, he was, 172 00:08:55,752 --> 00:08:57,667 he was the gimmick guy. 173 00:08:57,711 --> 00:08:59,930 I mean, I loved "Homicidal," 174 00:08:59,974 --> 00:09:02,063 where there was a clock that came up 175 00:09:02,106 --> 00:09:04,108 right at the climax of the film. 176 00:09:04,152 --> 00:09:06,502 So if you were too frightened to stay, 177 00:09:06,546 --> 00:09:08,765 you could leave, and get your money back. 178 00:09:10,114 --> 00:09:11,507 He had a film called "House on Haunted Hill," 179 00:09:13,291 --> 00:09:15,467 and something called "Emergo," 180 00:09:15,511 --> 00:09:18,775 a skeleton flew across the theatre, 181 00:09:18,819 --> 00:09:21,604 to everybody's screams of delight. 182 00:09:21,648 --> 00:09:23,780 - It was William Castle who produced that film, 183 00:09:23,824 --> 00:09:25,826 and he bought "Rosemary's Baby," 184 00:09:25,869 --> 00:09:28,437 and I was not overjoyed when he did. 185 00:09:29,873 --> 00:09:31,701 So my dad definitely wanted to direct 186 00:09:31,745 --> 00:09:34,008 "Rosemary's Baby" when he bought the property. 187 00:09:34,051 --> 00:09:36,445 And he brought the book to Robert Evans over at Paramount, 188 00:09:37,707 --> 00:09:39,666 but it was within the week, I think, 189 00:09:39,709 --> 00:09:41,972 that they said, no, 190 00:09:42,016 --> 00:09:45,585 we're gonna have this young, hot new director, 191 00:09:45,628 --> 00:09:47,978 Roman Polanski, direct it. 192 00:09:49,153 --> 00:09:50,764 And my father was really upset. 193 00:09:52,026 --> 00:09:53,984 He still was gonna produce this, but... 194 00:09:54,028 --> 00:09:56,073 his shot at directing an "A" film 195 00:09:57,292 --> 00:09:58,815 was taken away from him. 196 00:09:58,859 --> 00:10:01,078 - I remember the day when he called, 197 00:10:01,122 --> 00:10:03,864 and said that he had decided not to direct it himself. 198 00:10:03,907 --> 00:10:06,562 He was getting Roman Polanski, and was I terribly unhappy? 199 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,826 So I said no, I think I can get over that. So-- 200 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,657 And I remember Roman coming over the house, 201 00:10:14,701 --> 00:10:16,920 and my Dad saw Roman's fantastic talent, 202 00:10:16,964 --> 00:10:19,096 and thought, okay, let's do this. 203 00:10:24,014 --> 00:10:25,973 We have four main characters 204 00:10:26,016 --> 00:10:28,192 in "Rosemary's Baby." 205 00:10:28,236 --> 00:10:31,195 In the leading spot is Mia Farrow, 206 00:10:31,239 --> 00:10:34,198 and John Cassavetes is playing her husband. 207 00:10:35,852 --> 00:10:38,202 Roman is a craftsman. 208 00:10:38,246 --> 00:10:40,770 The best, and I trusted him. 209 00:10:41,902 --> 00:10:43,643 All the way. 210 00:10:43,686 --> 00:10:46,558 There is a long-standing rumor that Anton Lavey, 211 00:10:46,602 --> 00:10:48,691 the founder of the Church of Satan 212 00:10:48,735 --> 00:10:50,867 was a technical advisor to the film, 213 00:10:50,911 --> 00:10:54,044 or played the role of Satan himself in the movie. 214 00:10:55,742 --> 00:10:57,569 Anton Lavey got involved for authenticity 215 00:10:57,613 --> 00:10:58,962 and advice. 216 00:10:59,006 --> 00:11:00,877 - Hail, Satan. 217 00:11:00,921 --> 00:11:03,445 - Hail, Satan. 218 00:11:03,488 --> 00:11:05,969 - Anton had talked about Mia Farrow and Frank Sinatra 219 00:11:06,013 --> 00:11:08,406 having friction on this set, 220 00:11:08,450 --> 00:11:10,713 he talked about John Cassavetes 221 00:11:10,757 --> 00:11:13,716 and Polanski having some friction 222 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,544 because they both wanted to direct. 223 00:11:18,721 --> 00:11:20,767 The exterior filming of "Rosemary's Baby" 224 00:11:20,810 --> 00:11:23,291 was obviously filmed in New York City, 225 00:11:23,334 --> 00:11:25,728 but the interiors were all built 226 00:11:25,772 --> 00:11:27,730 on the Paramount Studios lot. 227 00:11:29,079 --> 00:11:31,734 Interesting, Paramount Studios is actually... 228 00:11:31,778 --> 00:11:33,910 former cemetery property. 229 00:11:35,216 --> 00:11:37,087 "Hollywood Memorial Park," right behind it, 230 00:11:37,131 --> 00:11:39,220 used to be twice as big as it is. 231 00:11:40,438 --> 00:11:42,397 This wall that you see on to our right, 232 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,834 This is the wall of the cemetery. 233 00:11:44,878 --> 00:11:47,576 in the early nineteen-teens, 234 00:11:47,619 --> 00:11:49,883 Hollywood Cemetery was actually 235 00:11:49,926 --> 00:11:52,799 literally cut in half, and sold. 236 00:11:52,842 --> 00:11:55,105 And on the other half, a movie studio was built. 237 00:11:55,149 --> 00:11:57,368 Where this traffic light is, 238 00:11:57,412 --> 00:11:59,675 is where Hollywood Cemetery ends, 239 00:11:59,719 --> 00:12:02,243 and where Paramount Studios begins. 240 00:12:05,115 --> 00:12:07,291 I have no doubt that there are remains 241 00:12:07,335 --> 00:12:09,076 underneath Paramount Studio. 242 00:12:09,119 --> 00:12:11,513 So the studio itself is fairly, 243 00:12:11,556 --> 00:12:13,602 I think I can say with confidence, haunted. 244 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:17,606 I don't know if "Rosemary's Baby" 245 00:12:17,649 --> 00:12:19,782 is the most cursed film. 246 00:12:19,826 --> 00:12:22,089 And I don't know if there's such a thing as a "cursed set," 247 00:12:23,481 --> 00:12:24,874 but I wouldn't bet my life on it. 248 00:12:26,223 --> 00:12:28,225 After the film was made, 249 00:12:28,269 --> 00:12:30,227 bad stuff started to happen. 250 00:12:31,838 --> 00:12:33,753 With "Rosemary's Baby," 251 00:12:33,796 --> 00:12:35,798 all of these terrible things that took place 252 00:12:35,842 --> 00:12:37,800 in the actors, and actresses and producers' lives 253 00:12:37,844 --> 00:12:40,498 happened after the film's release. 254 00:12:41,891 --> 00:12:45,025 The Krzysztof Komeda story is a key one for me. 255 00:12:45,068 --> 00:12:47,984 Krzysztof Komeda was a prolific jazz musician. 256 00:12:48,028 --> 00:12:50,073 He'd had about 60 film soundtracks already 257 00:12:50,117 --> 00:12:52,206 under his belt before he started working with Polanski. 258 00:12:53,860 --> 00:12:55,775 He'd worked on other films with Polanski 259 00:12:55,818 --> 00:12:58,212 like "Cul-de-Sac," and "Knife in the Water." 260 00:13:00,867 --> 00:13:03,130 "Rosemary's Lullaby" at the opening credits of the film 261 00:13:03,173 --> 00:13:05,306 is one of the most iconic pieces of Music 262 00:13:05,349 --> 00:13:07,917 in terms of horror films that we have. 263 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:10,790 So, according to Polanski, 264 00:13:10,833 --> 00:13:13,009 after the film in December '68, 265 00:13:13,053 --> 00:13:15,664 he was drinking with Komeda 266 00:13:15,707 --> 00:13:18,841 and another guy called Hlasko, who was a writer. 267 00:13:18,885 --> 00:13:21,583 And those two got involved in a bit of rough and tumble, 268 00:13:21,626 --> 00:13:24,455 and Komeda fell and hit his head. 269 00:13:24,499 --> 00:13:26,457 That's one version of events. 270 00:13:26,501 --> 00:13:28,024 Another story says he was in a car accident in L.A.. 271 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:33,203 What we do know as fact is that he developed a hematoma 272 00:13:33,247 --> 00:13:35,249 on the brain and fell into a coma, 273 00:13:35,292 --> 00:13:37,904 and sadly died three months later. 274 00:13:37,947 --> 00:13:41,516 Now there's a dark reflection on that in the film. 275 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,735 Obviously, Rosemary's friend, Hutch. 276 00:13:43,779 --> 00:13:46,303 - Hutch, this is Roman Castevet. 277 00:13:46,347 --> 00:13:48,436 He is targeted by a coven of witches. 278 00:13:48,479 --> 00:13:51,352 He develops a mystery illness and falls into a coma, 279 00:13:51,395 --> 00:13:53,397 and dies three months later. 280 00:13:53,441 --> 00:13:54,921 - Hutch is dead. 281 00:13:54,964 --> 00:13:57,010 Just like Komeda. 282 00:13:58,185 --> 00:14:00,274 In the spiritual world, 283 00:14:00,317 --> 00:14:02,450 there's a thing which is known as a "God wink." 284 00:14:02,493 --> 00:14:05,366 When you have a coincidence which is a good coincidence, 285 00:14:05,409 --> 00:14:07,977 The idea is that's God winking at you 286 00:14:08,021 --> 00:14:10,414 to let you know that you're on the right path. 287 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,375 I think there were certain dark coincidences 288 00:14:14,418 --> 00:14:16,768 such as Komeda's death 289 00:14:16,812 --> 00:14:18,640 and Hutch's death in the film, 290 00:14:18,683 --> 00:14:20,294 which is kind of like a devil wink, 291 00:14:20,337 --> 00:14:22,078 for want of a better phrase. 292 00:14:23,427 --> 00:14:25,429 It's kind of like the devil himself saying 293 00:14:25,473 --> 00:14:26,909 that you're not on the right track. 294 00:14:30,521 --> 00:14:32,262 Right after the film premiered, 295 00:14:32,306 --> 00:14:34,874 my Dad had to go in for major, major surgery. 296 00:14:36,223 --> 00:14:38,312 His kidney stopped working, 297 00:14:38,355 --> 00:14:40,227 and he was convinced he saw the reflection of the devil 298 00:14:40,270 --> 00:14:41,881 in the surgeon's knife. 299 00:14:43,665 --> 00:14:45,058 But that's only part of it. 300 00:14:46,537 --> 00:14:48,975 When the Catholic Church gave it a C rating 301 00:14:49,018 --> 00:14:50,628 and condemned it. 302 00:14:52,369 --> 00:14:54,154 When he got hate mail 303 00:14:54,197 --> 00:14:55,633 saying that he was gonna rot in Hell. 304 00:14:56,808 --> 00:14:58,941 He went into a depression. 305 00:14:58,985 --> 00:15:01,291 He's used to making kind of fun horror films, you know, 306 00:15:01,335 --> 00:15:02,814 and all of the sudden, he thought, 307 00:15:02,858 --> 00:15:04,642 what did I bring into this world? 308 00:15:07,515 --> 00:15:10,170 The night before I gave labor to my second child, 309 00:15:10,213 --> 00:15:13,303 I dreamt that I was Rosemary. - Really? 310 00:15:14,609 --> 00:15:16,132 - Which is not a real pleasant thing to dream 311 00:15:16,176 --> 00:15:18,787 right before you're about to go and give birth to a baby. 312 00:15:18,830 --> 00:15:20,920 Yeah. 313 00:15:20,963 --> 00:15:23,487 And it has affected how I wanna protect my children, 314 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:27,665 and how one child I wasn't able to protect. 315 00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:31,539 I had one child who died of cancer. 316 00:15:31,582 --> 00:15:33,845 Was that the curse? I don't know. 317 00:15:35,499 --> 00:15:37,458 And my sister died very young 318 00:15:37,501 --> 00:15:39,329 of a heart and kidney issue. 319 00:15:39,373 --> 00:15:41,810 Was that the curse? I don't know. 320 00:15:41,853 --> 00:15:43,681 And my mother had Alzheimer's at a very young age, 321 00:15:43,725 --> 00:15:45,683 and lived with Alzheimer's for 20 years. 322 00:15:47,381 --> 00:15:48,817 Was that the curse? I don't know. 323 00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:53,387 The events of "Rosemary's Baby" 324 00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:56,172 take place in 1966, 325 00:15:56,216 --> 00:15:59,088 which was the very year Anton Lavey 326 00:15:59,132 --> 00:16:01,351 founded the Church of Satan. 327 00:16:01,395 --> 00:16:04,006 Of course, in one of the famous scenes from "Rosemary's Baby," 328 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:06,226 Rosemary is seated in the waiting room 329 00:16:06,269 --> 00:16:08,010 of her obstetrician 330 00:16:08,054 --> 00:16:10,273 and picks up a copy of Time Magazine, 331 00:16:10,317 --> 00:16:12,841 which famously has on its cover the question, 332 00:16:12,884 --> 00:16:14,799 "Is God Dead?" 333 00:16:16,410 --> 00:16:19,979 The Western world experienced an occult revival 334 00:16:20,022 --> 00:16:23,286 by the late 60s with the Woodstock Generation. 335 00:16:23,330 --> 00:16:25,462 It's like people that are nowhere are coming here 336 00:16:25,506 --> 00:16:27,377 because there's people that they think are somewhere. 337 00:16:27,421 --> 00:16:29,771 So everybody is like, really looking for you know, 338 00:16:29,814 --> 00:16:32,295 for some kind of answer. Where there isn't one. 339 00:16:32,339 --> 00:16:34,602 It's just like, people are very lost, I think. 340 00:16:34,645 --> 00:16:37,170 - The intersection of the hippie movement 341 00:16:37,213 --> 00:16:38,954 and the occult movement makes a lot of sense to me. 342 00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:41,043 Because I think they're hand-in-hand in terms 343 00:16:41,087 --> 00:16:43,393 of the type of ideas that they were exploring. 344 00:16:44,873 --> 00:16:47,049 You know, with the hippie movement you have like, 345 00:16:47,093 --> 00:16:50,183 this sort of, return to the land idealism. 346 00:16:50,226 --> 00:16:52,272 it's going back to these sort of paganistic 347 00:16:52,315 --> 00:16:54,448 religious systems. 348 00:16:54,491 --> 00:16:57,973 I think that the obsession with witchcraft 349 00:16:58,017 --> 00:17:00,715 and the occult during the 1960s and 1970s 350 00:17:00,758 --> 00:17:04,023 originated in England in 1951, 351 00:17:04,066 --> 00:17:06,764 when there was the reversal of the Witchcraft Act, 352 00:17:08,592 --> 00:17:11,291 which had been put in place in 1735, 353 00:17:11,334 --> 00:17:14,598 and that did not allow anyone to openly practice witchcraft. 354 00:17:16,426 --> 00:17:18,385 So when that was lifted, 355 00:17:18,428 --> 00:17:20,822 you've got this whole kind of explosion 356 00:17:20,865 --> 00:17:22,780 of everybody wanting to explore this topic, 357 00:17:22,824 --> 00:17:24,304 because they previously weren't allowed to. 358 00:17:26,697 --> 00:17:28,221 You have these kind of mind-altering drugs 359 00:17:28,264 --> 00:17:30,049 that are also playing a factor 360 00:17:30,092 --> 00:17:32,747 in this great awakening 361 00:17:32,790 --> 00:17:34,096 that was occurring in the culture. 362 00:17:36,881 --> 00:17:39,536 People who really started using LSD recreationally 363 00:17:39,580 --> 00:17:41,669 would kind of have um, 364 00:17:41,712 --> 00:17:44,672 religious experiences, and hallucinations. 365 00:17:44,715 --> 00:17:46,630 - Help me! 366 00:17:46,674 --> 00:17:48,763 Some of them explored all kinds 367 00:17:48,806 --> 00:17:50,808 of mystical religions, 368 00:17:50,852 --> 00:17:53,985 and some people became interested in Satanism. 369 00:17:55,639 --> 00:17:57,946 There were rumors that Sharon Tate dabbled in Satanism. 370 00:17:59,774 --> 00:18:01,384 If she did, 371 00:18:01,428 --> 00:18:04,083 I think it was more out of curiosity and fun, 372 00:18:05,388 --> 00:18:07,303 but there were other people 373 00:18:07,347 --> 00:18:10,350 who had gotten serious about it. 374 00:18:10,393 --> 00:18:11,916 I'm trying to think if there were any famous people 375 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,832 who ever admitted it, 376 00:18:14,876 --> 00:18:16,965 Sammy Davis Jr. identified, 377 00:18:17,008 --> 00:18:18,967 and called himself a Satanist. 378 00:18:19,010 --> 00:18:21,143 He understood that Satanism 379 00:18:22,753 --> 00:18:24,407 was an advocate for minority positions 380 00:18:24,451 --> 00:18:26,627 in a lot of ways. 381 00:18:26,670 --> 00:18:28,846 That was a period in Sammy's life 382 00:18:28,890 --> 00:18:30,979 that he later wrote about 383 00:18:31,022 --> 00:18:32,937 and was very public about. 384 00:18:32,981 --> 00:18:35,157 But what's truly weird 385 00:18:35,201 --> 00:18:37,812 is that Sammy Davis Jr's memoir, 386 00:18:37,855 --> 00:18:39,248 "Yes, I Can," 387 00:18:39,292 --> 00:18:42,251 can be seen very prominently 388 00:18:42,295 --> 00:18:44,949 on screen at least twice, 389 00:18:44,993 --> 00:18:47,735 once when Rosemary is snuggling up with the book, 390 00:18:49,128 --> 00:18:52,566 Then another time when Guy is tucking away 391 00:18:52,609 --> 00:18:54,568 a book on witches that Rosemary had been given, 392 00:18:54,611 --> 00:18:57,614 and we see the spine of Sammy Davis' book, 393 00:18:57,658 --> 00:18:59,181 very prominently featured. 394 00:19:01,792 --> 00:19:05,144 As a man whose life was impacted by evil, 395 00:19:06,580 --> 00:19:09,278 Polanski, he has to be seen as an artist 396 00:19:09,322 --> 00:19:11,585 who, at that time, 397 00:19:11,628 --> 00:19:14,370 was trying to expose us 398 00:19:14,414 --> 00:19:16,198 to questions of evil in ourselves. 399 00:19:19,549 --> 00:19:22,465 When we talk about having a tough childhood, 400 00:19:22,509 --> 00:19:25,425 it's hard to compare to what actually happened to Polanski. 401 00:19:27,905 --> 00:19:30,473 Polanski's mother, Bula, 402 00:19:30,517 --> 00:19:33,259 was taken to Auschwitz, 403 00:19:33,302 --> 00:19:35,957 and she happened to have been four months pregnant 404 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,438 at the time, 405 00:19:38,481 --> 00:19:40,222 which was significant because of course, 406 00:19:40,266 --> 00:19:42,920 one of the first things that happened on arrival 407 00:19:42,964 --> 00:19:46,141 at these terrible places was an inspection 408 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,926 as to whether or not you were fit for work. 409 00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:53,061 Tragically, she was exterminated. 410 00:19:54,845 --> 00:19:57,935 Polanski's father was also arrested. 411 00:20:00,242 --> 00:20:03,202 He eventually ended up in terrible circumstances 412 00:20:04,420 --> 00:20:07,380 having to work at the Mauthausen camps, 413 00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:11,427 what was called the "staircase of death," 414 00:20:11,471 --> 00:20:14,735 which involved carrying these huge slabs of rock 415 00:20:14,778 --> 00:20:17,738 up and down rough stone steps. 416 00:20:19,218 --> 00:20:21,785 And if you fell, you were basically left to die. 417 00:20:24,397 --> 00:20:26,834 Polanski's father survived two years 418 00:20:26,877 --> 00:20:29,097 of this nightmarish ordeal, 419 00:20:30,316 --> 00:20:32,840 and eventually was liberated by the Americans 420 00:20:32,883 --> 00:20:35,234 in the spring of 1945, 421 00:20:36,409 --> 00:20:38,280 and reunited with his child. 422 00:20:39,716 --> 00:20:42,589 By this stage, Roman Polanski already had seen 423 00:20:42,632 --> 00:20:45,896 more real horror and bloodshed in his life 424 00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:48,334 than most of us would care to see 425 00:20:48,377 --> 00:20:50,292 in our entire lives. 426 00:20:50,336 --> 00:20:53,295 And that was just the beginning. 427 00:20:58,605 --> 00:21:01,042 The year after the film came out, 428 00:21:01,085 --> 00:21:03,653 one of the most impactful moments of my young life 429 00:21:03,697 --> 00:21:06,003 was driving up to San Francisco. 430 00:21:07,353 --> 00:21:09,398 We pulled over to the curb, 431 00:21:09,442 --> 00:21:11,792 and my dad saw a newspaper stand and read the headline 432 00:21:11,835 --> 00:21:13,620 that Sharon Tate had had been murdered, 433 00:21:13,663 --> 00:21:15,535 and her baby had been murdered. 434 00:21:17,101 --> 00:21:19,495 And they turned the car around, and we drove right back. 435 00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:23,978 Well, I got up, and I heard a lot of sirens. 436 00:21:24,021 --> 00:21:25,675 I called the police department and I said, 437 00:21:25,719 --> 00:21:28,112 what's going on in west L.A.? 438 00:21:28,156 --> 00:21:31,028 And they told me there was an incident on Cielo Drive. 439 00:21:32,769 --> 00:21:34,684 And I got dressed and went right up there. 440 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:39,167 This incredible true crime case 441 00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:41,735 is like nothing else. 442 00:21:41,778 --> 00:21:44,128 It involves rock stars and movie stars. 443 00:21:45,391 --> 00:21:47,784 If you didn't know it was a true crime, 444 00:21:47,828 --> 00:21:49,917 you would think it's a movie. 445 00:21:51,832 --> 00:21:53,355 My name's Scott Michaels, 446 00:21:53,399 --> 00:21:55,357 and this is Dearly Departed Tours. 447 00:21:55,401 --> 00:21:57,925 And welcome back to 1969. 448 00:21:57,968 --> 00:22:00,057 I put together the "Helter Skelter Tour" 449 00:22:00,101 --> 00:22:02,408 probably about 13 years ago. 450 00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:05,367 Three weeks prior to the Tate-LaBianca murders, 451 00:22:05,411 --> 00:22:07,369 the first man walked on the moon. 452 00:22:07,413 --> 00:22:09,066 A couple of weeks prior to that, 453 00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:10,807 Judy Garland died in London. 454 00:22:10,851 --> 00:22:12,896 Her funeral in New York kicked off the Stonewall Riots, 455 00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:14,898 and the Gay Rights Movement went into full swing. 456 00:22:16,596 --> 00:22:18,989 Myself, I'm obsessed with the year 1969. 457 00:22:19,033 --> 00:22:20,948 "Incense and Peppermints," "White Rabbit," 458 00:22:20,991 --> 00:22:22,732 Jefferson Airplane. 459 00:22:22,776 --> 00:22:25,039 You got the peace sign, you got mushrooms. 460 00:22:25,082 --> 00:22:27,171 On the very day of the murders, August 8th, 461 00:22:27,215 --> 00:22:30,131 just a few hours before the Tate murders in Beverly Hills, 462 00:22:30,174 --> 00:22:33,047 the Beatles took that iconic Abbey Road 463 00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:35,571 album cover photograph, which I think is fascinating, 464 00:22:35,615 --> 00:22:37,356 because they figure into this case. 465 00:22:37,399 --> 00:22:40,402 This is important to me, the addresses of Cielo Drive, 466 00:22:40,446 --> 00:22:43,362 and the LaBianca's house on Waverly Drive, 467 00:22:43,405 --> 00:22:46,016 because I spent so much of my time in my life 468 00:22:46,060 --> 00:22:48,410 researching them, and I wanted to commemorate them. 469 00:22:49,672 --> 00:22:51,587 Cielo drive is still a tourist attraction. 470 00:22:53,023 --> 00:22:55,765 Although the house has been gone since 1993, 471 00:22:55,809 --> 00:22:57,680 and a new house has been put in its place. 472 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,555 Roman and Sharon moved into the house 473 00:23:02,598 --> 00:23:04,774 in February of '69. 474 00:23:04,818 --> 00:23:06,341 It was a rental. 475 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,561 And by the end of March, 476 00:23:08,604 --> 00:23:11,520 both of them had gone to Europe to do separate projects. 477 00:23:11,564 --> 00:23:14,871 Roman went to London to work on the script 478 00:23:14,915 --> 00:23:17,091 and pre-production for "Day of the Dolphin," 479 00:23:17,134 --> 00:23:20,747 which was a film he planned to direct, but he never did. 480 00:23:20,790 --> 00:23:22,662 - Va-go-now-mei-nah-her-pas! 481 00:23:25,229 --> 00:23:27,101 - Yes! 482 00:23:27,144 --> 00:23:28,363 - And while they were gone, 483 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:31,061 Roman had Abigail Folger and Wojciech 484 00:23:31,105 --> 00:23:32,759 kind of take care of the house. 485 00:23:33,977 --> 00:23:35,718 Cielo Drive is in the middle 486 00:23:35,762 --> 00:23:37,154 of Benedict Canyon, basically. 487 00:23:38,329 --> 00:23:40,723 This tragic boulevard 488 00:23:40,767 --> 00:23:43,813 that makes its way from the Sunset Strip, 489 00:23:43,857 --> 00:23:45,989 all the way over to the San Fernando Valley. 490 00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:50,864 Benedict Canyon is located on... 491 00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:52,474 I think this is official, 492 00:23:52,518 --> 00:23:54,998 like, like a Native American 493 00:23:55,042 --> 00:23:56,478 burial ground. 494 00:23:56,522 --> 00:23:58,741 And I believe somehow, some way, 495 00:23:58,785 --> 00:24:01,178 something terrible was wished upon the place, 496 00:24:01,222 --> 00:24:03,093 because there are too many things that happened 497 00:24:03,137 --> 00:24:05,444 in Benedict Canyon for it to be a coincidence. 498 00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:09,709 Well, starting from the very base of Benedict Canyon 499 00:24:09,752 --> 00:24:12,102 is the Beverly Hills Hotel, where Peter Finch... 500 00:24:12,146 --> 00:24:13,713 - I'm as mad as Hell, 501 00:24:13,756 --> 00:24:16,324 and I'm not gonna take this anymore! 502 00:24:16,367 --> 00:24:18,544 - the Australian actor died of a heart attack in the lobby, 503 00:24:18,587 --> 00:24:21,547 winning the first posthumous Academy Award. 504 00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:23,723 - Peter Finch, in "Network." 505 00:24:23,766 --> 00:24:25,855 - A little bit further up is where Richard Dreyfus 506 00:24:25,899 --> 00:24:27,770 was nearly killed in a car crash. 507 00:24:27,814 --> 00:24:30,686 Across the street from where a musician named Charo lives. 508 00:24:32,340 --> 00:24:34,211 Her husband killed himself in the alley behind their house. 509 00:24:34,255 --> 00:24:36,300 A Benedict Canyon address. 510 00:24:36,344 --> 00:24:38,433 A little bit further up was where Elizabeth Montgomery 511 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:40,261 from "Bewitched" lived and died, 512 00:24:40,304 --> 00:24:42,132 across the street from John Ritter's house. 513 00:24:42,176 --> 00:24:44,134 John Riter didn't die in Benedict Canyon, 514 00:24:44,178 --> 00:24:45,788 but he lived there at the time. 515 00:24:45,832 --> 00:24:48,138 A little bit further up, Susan Berman was murdered 516 00:24:48,182 --> 00:24:49,705 in Benedict Canyon, 517 00:24:49,749 --> 00:24:51,620 the Durst murders that they made the documentary about. 518 00:24:53,274 --> 00:24:55,276 About five doors down, George Reeves, "Superman," 519 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:57,234 died of a speeding bullet to the head. 520 00:24:58,366 --> 00:25:00,281 A little bit further up, 521 00:25:00,324 --> 00:25:02,283 there was a woman by the name of Yvette Vickers. 522 00:25:02,326 --> 00:25:03,937 She was a B-movie star, she was in "Sunset Boulevard," 523 00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:05,939 she was in "The Attack of the 50 Foot Woman." 524 00:25:05,982 --> 00:25:08,332 She died in her home. She wasn't found for months. 525 00:25:08,376 --> 00:25:10,421 A little bit further up, 526 00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:12,249 Paul Bern and Jean Harlow's house. 527 00:25:12,293 --> 00:25:13,729 Paul Bern killed himself in that house. 528 00:25:13,773 --> 00:25:15,862 Jay Sebring moves into that house. 529 00:25:15,905 --> 00:25:18,473 Rudolph Valentino lived across the way from the Tate murders, 530 00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:20,562 and then Doris Duke, the tobacco heiress, 531 00:25:20,606 --> 00:25:23,957 died in that same house under very mysterious circumstances. 532 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,569 Her butler inherited something like $500 billion. 533 00:25:27,613 --> 00:25:30,137 He bought a house in Benedict, and died a couple months later. 534 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:33,009 There's so many stories about Benedict Canyon, 535 00:25:34,924 --> 00:25:37,274 but it all goes up to Cielo Drive, 536 00:25:37,318 --> 00:25:39,146 where the Tate murders happen. 537 00:25:39,189 --> 00:25:42,149 That seems to be the awful notorious crown jewel 538 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,891 of Benedict Canyon. 539 00:25:48,459 --> 00:25:51,811 I couldn't believe that these souls could do that. 540 00:25:53,116 --> 00:25:55,075 We are a family! 541 00:25:55,118 --> 00:25:56,642 Men and Kill every white mother, 542 00:25:56,685 --> 00:25:59,079 every white babe. 543 00:25:59,122 --> 00:26:00,950 I just was in shock. 544 00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:04,040 I couldn't believe Tex could do that. 545 00:26:04,084 --> 00:26:06,042 Susan, and Patty. 546 00:26:10,177 --> 00:26:12,962 I remember Tex slapped the newspaper, 547 00:26:13,006 --> 00:26:15,312 and the headline read something like, 548 00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:18,402 "Tate-LaBianca Murders." 549 00:26:20,535 --> 00:26:22,972 And he slaps that, and he says, 550 00:26:23,016 --> 00:26:26,149 "I did this. Charlie told me to." 551 00:26:27,324 --> 00:26:28,935 My name is Dianne Lake, 552 00:26:28,978 --> 00:26:31,024 former member of the Manson family, 553 00:26:31,067 --> 00:26:33,156 formerly known as "Snake." 554 00:26:35,942 --> 00:26:38,031 I was 14, 555 00:26:38,074 --> 00:26:39,815 when I got introduced to Charlie and the girls, 556 00:26:41,556 --> 00:26:43,819 they opened their arms to me, 557 00:26:43,863 --> 00:26:46,474 and I felt wanted, and I felt loved there. 558 00:26:46,517 --> 00:26:48,476 But I think that what happened 559 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,783 was that he had this experience 560 00:26:50,826 --> 00:26:53,089 of being crucified on acid. 561 00:26:56,702 --> 00:26:59,443 And I think he started to believe that he was a Messiah, 562 00:27:03,665 --> 00:27:06,494 that's when it really started to turn was, 563 00:27:06,537 --> 00:27:09,062 you know, maybe nine months in, 564 00:27:09,105 --> 00:27:11,020 when we got to Spahn Ranch. 565 00:27:11,064 --> 00:27:13,936 He'd been always talking about this race war. 566 00:27:15,677 --> 00:27:17,723 That's when he started getting enamored with the White Album, 567 00:27:17,766 --> 00:27:20,203 and that the Beatles were sending him a message. 568 00:27:20,247 --> 00:27:23,380 Then this black/white race war became Helter Skelter. 569 00:27:25,121 --> 00:27:28,168 This race war was like an apocalypse. 570 00:27:28,211 --> 00:27:29,648 You know, a lot of people were gonna die. 571 00:27:31,084 --> 00:27:35,436 We, as a family, were going to be preserved. 572 00:27:35,479 --> 00:27:39,048 Charlie wanted us to have babies for creation, 573 00:27:41,485 --> 00:27:43,836 and that we would help repopulate the earth. 574 00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:47,622 It seems-- 575 00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:49,668 it's kind of crazy to talk about, but... 576 00:27:49,711 --> 00:27:51,800 you know, um, 577 00:27:51,844 --> 00:27:53,672 but that, you know, looking back, 578 00:27:53,715 --> 00:27:55,412 that's really, that was-- 579 00:27:56,587 --> 00:27:59,155 that was what he wanted to do. 580 00:28:02,289 --> 00:28:04,813 There's an obvious link from Charles Manson 581 00:28:04,857 --> 00:28:06,510 to "Rosemary's Baby." 582 00:28:07,773 --> 00:28:09,426 The Dakota building was used as the outside 583 00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:10,689 of the Bramford, as we know. 584 00:28:12,212 --> 00:28:13,866 John Lennon had an apartment in the Dakota. 585 00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:16,042 And then you say, okay, well... 586 00:28:16,085 --> 00:28:18,653 the large bulk of the White Album was written in India, 587 00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:20,873 during a retreat. 588 00:28:20,916 --> 00:28:24,180 And at that retreat was Mia Farrow. 589 00:28:25,747 --> 00:28:27,662 Mia Farrow, who was friends with Sharon Tate, 590 00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:29,751 and Roman, hung out with the Beatles, 591 00:28:29,795 --> 00:28:31,710 went to India with her sister, 592 00:28:31,753 --> 00:28:33,755 songs were named after them, 593 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,410 verses in classic Beatles songs refer to Mia and her sister. 594 00:28:37,628 --> 00:28:38,804 You mentioned the White Album, 595 00:28:38,847 --> 00:28:40,806 and John Lennon, and what's eerie 596 00:28:40,849 --> 00:28:43,678 is that in the scene where Rosemary is in the taxicab 597 00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:45,767 and she's got that like, occult book 598 00:28:45,811 --> 00:28:47,595 that she gets from the bookstore, 599 00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:49,249 in the background, there's always this white Beetle 600 00:28:49,292 --> 00:28:50,990 that's like, trailing her. 601 00:28:52,208 --> 00:28:54,384 There's a white VW Beetle 602 00:28:54,428 --> 00:28:56,343 that's throughout the film, actually. 603 00:28:56,386 --> 00:28:58,040 You always see it parked out front of the building. 604 00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,652 A lot of what the film is dealing with 605 00:29:01,696 --> 00:29:03,698 is what's hidden in plain sight. 606 00:29:05,613 --> 00:29:07,571 - The Dakota building is the outside of the Bramford, 607 00:29:07,615 --> 00:29:09,443 and that's where the writer of those songs 608 00:29:09,486 --> 00:29:11,619 would eventually be murdered. 609 00:29:11,662 --> 00:29:13,795 My gosh, the Dakota, 610 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:15,841 where "Rosemary's Baby" was filmed, 611 00:29:15,884 --> 00:29:17,799 and John Lennon was murdered right in front of it. 612 00:29:17,843 --> 00:29:20,019 News John Lennon gave his autograph to the gunman 613 00:29:20,062 --> 00:29:22,935 six hours before the senseless shooting, 614 00:29:22,978 --> 00:29:25,372 in the entrance to his New York apartment building. 615 00:29:25,415 --> 00:29:27,243 That's sinister. 616 00:29:28,505 --> 00:29:30,290 If you look at the scene 617 00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:32,292 where the woman jumps out of a window 618 00:29:32,335 --> 00:29:34,207 in "Rosemary's Baby" and you know, commits suicide, 619 00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:36,078 Get back. 620 00:29:36,122 --> 00:29:39,342 - It's the exact spot where John Lennon was shot. 621 00:29:41,692 --> 00:29:43,738 And it's very eerie, 622 00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:45,784 because you're thinking about the White Album, 623 00:29:45,827 --> 00:29:47,524 and you're thinking about Helter Skelter. 624 00:29:49,918 --> 00:29:52,573 Then we say, okay, so Charles Manson, 625 00:29:52,616 --> 00:29:55,315 who plays a big part in the curse of "Rosemary's Baby," 626 00:29:55,358 --> 00:29:58,361 He said he was inspired by songs on the White Album, 627 00:29:58,405 --> 00:30:01,843 and nine months after the White Album's release, 628 00:30:01,887 --> 00:30:03,889 Charles Manson and the Manson family 629 00:30:03,932 --> 00:30:05,629 murdered Sharon Tate. 630 00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:10,069 You can find a connection between anything, 631 00:30:10,112 --> 00:30:11,722 if you look hard enough, 632 00:30:13,855 --> 00:30:15,814 but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's not true. 633 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,385 If we take a look, for example, Victoria Vetri, 634 00:30:23,952 --> 00:30:25,693 she's one of the key players in the curse 635 00:30:25,736 --> 00:30:28,174 of "Rosemary's Baby." 636 00:30:28,217 --> 00:30:30,306 So she only has a bit part in "Rosemary's Baby." 637 00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:32,265 She plays Terry, 638 00:30:32,308 --> 00:30:35,181 who is taken in by the Castevets 639 00:30:35,224 --> 00:30:37,531 before she eventually allegedly 640 00:30:37,574 --> 00:30:38,793 throws herself out of a window. 641 00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:41,578 So, Victoria Vetri, 642 00:30:41,622 --> 00:30:43,450 she does also go by the alias of Angela Dorian. 643 00:30:44,712 --> 00:30:46,845 After "Rosemary's Baby," 644 00:30:46,888 --> 00:30:48,847 she became very close friends with Sharon Tate. 645 00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:51,023 After the Manson murders, 646 00:30:51,066 --> 00:30:53,721 Victoria then went into a dark paranoia. 647 00:30:55,331 --> 00:30:56,985 She doesn't want to go out at night. 648 00:30:58,204 --> 00:31:00,075 She becomes quite reclusive. 649 00:31:06,168 --> 00:31:08,344 My name is Victoria Vetri, 650 00:31:08,388 --> 00:31:10,259 and I was born in Hollyweird. 651 00:31:11,434 --> 00:31:13,349 I mean, Hollywood. 652 00:31:14,698 --> 00:31:16,396 I did a lot of films and TV shows. 653 00:31:16,439 --> 00:31:17,963 I still get residuals. 654 00:31:18,006 --> 00:31:19,834 I enjoy being an actress and entertaining people, 655 00:31:21,096 --> 00:31:23,142 and I love to move. I love to move! 656 00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:26,275 There's all these films that I look at 657 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:27,973 and I'm in shock, I'm going, 658 00:31:28,016 --> 00:31:29,931 oh my God, I never even got a chance to see them. 659 00:31:29,975 --> 00:31:32,238 And I'm going, wow, that was me, 660 00:31:32,281 --> 00:31:33,717 you know, when I was younger. 661 00:31:33,761 --> 00:31:35,763 I'm happy, though. 662 00:31:35,806 --> 00:31:37,199 I'm living with someone that I really care for right now. 663 00:31:38,592 --> 00:31:40,159 - My name's Mark Melvin, 664 00:31:40,202 --> 00:31:42,291 And I'm a friend of Victoria Vetri. 665 00:31:42,335 --> 00:31:43,553 You are Victoria's... - Play toy. 666 00:31:46,339 --> 00:31:47,949 - Bravo, bravo! 667 00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:49,690 - Yeah. 668 00:31:51,692 --> 00:31:53,781 Back in the '60s, she really had a booming career 669 00:31:53,824 --> 00:31:56,044 in Hollywood going on. 670 00:31:57,567 --> 00:31:59,395 It's been so long since I looked back 671 00:31:59,439 --> 00:32:01,136 at some of these things. 672 00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:02,921 Maybe I should see them again so I can remember them, 673 00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:04,879 I mean, as I'm getting older, 674 00:32:04,923 --> 00:32:06,620 my-I'm losing part of my brains. 675 00:32:06,663 --> 00:32:08,491 No, I'm just kidding. 676 00:32:08,535 --> 00:32:10,450 Do you remember working with Mia Farrow? 677 00:32:11,668 --> 00:32:13,714 - Vaguely, yeah, I think so. 678 00:32:13,757 --> 00:32:15,368 I mean, I'm trying to remember what film we-- 679 00:32:15,411 --> 00:32:17,065 what we did together. 680 00:32:17,109 --> 00:32:19,067 - My name is Terry Ginoffrio. - Nice to meet you. 681 00:32:19,111 --> 00:32:20,895 I'm Rosemary Woodhouse. 682 00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:23,158 And that's me, with the dark wig on. 683 00:32:23,202 --> 00:32:25,639 and I'm washing clothes back there. 684 00:32:25,682 --> 00:32:27,075 - Did you have to rehearse this scene at all, 685 00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:28,598 or did you just uh... - No. 686 00:32:28,642 --> 00:32:30,078 We just went through with it. 687 00:32:30,122 --> 00:32:31,775 I enjoyed working with her too. 688 00:32:31,819 --> 00:32:33,908 What was her name again? 689 00:32:33,952 --> 00:32:35,910 - Mia Farrow. - Mia Farrow, yes. 690 00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:37,694 Excellent, beautiful actress, too. 691 00:32:39,131 --> 00:32:41,002 - It's kind of an interesting story, the way we met, 692 00:32:41,046 --> 00:32:43,178 basically, through the pink car that Playboy-- 693 00:32:43,222 --> 00:32:45,137 - Oh yeah! - gave her in 1968 694 00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:46,877 for being Playmate of the Year. 695 00:32:46,921 --> 00:32:49,097 - I was Playmate of the Year, 696 00:32:49,141 --> 00:32:51,186 and I had no clothes on. 697 00:32:52,492 --> 00:32:54,276 - I ended up buying that car in 2010, 698 00:32:56,191 --> 00:32:58,106 and I was excited, I was gonna meet the Playmate of the Year. 699 00:32:59,325 --> 00:33:01,196 And then three months afterwards, 700 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,111 I heard that she had shot her husband. 701 00:33:03,155 --> 00:33:05,374 - I was, I was a bad girl. 702 00:33:08,595 --> 00:33:10,466 - Don't do that again. - Never. 703 00:33:10,510 --> 00:33:12,033 - Especially not me. - Oh, I would never hurt you. 704 00:33:12,077 --> 00:33:13,643 You know that. 705 00:33:13,687 --> 00:33:15,558 I only hurt myself. 706 00:33:15,602 --> 00:33:17,125 Well, he's alive. - He survived, yeah. 707 00:33:17,169 --> 00:33:19,345 - Thank God, but I'm trying to remember all this. 708 00:33:19,388 --> 00:33:22,087 Oh my gosh, I don't even know what-- 709 00:33:23,262 --> 00:33:24,959 - That's because of your memory. 710 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:27,614 - Well, my memory's coming and going sometimes. 711 00:33:27,657 --> 00:33:29,485 Just... 712 00:33:30,617 --> 00:33:31,531 So... 713 00:33:38,973 --> 00:33:41,106 My name is Bruce Rathgeb. 714 00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:45,197 Victoria was a waitress between acting jobs, I guess. 715 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,329 And I was a chef. 716 00:33:47,373 --> 00:33:48,939 So that's how we met, 717 00:33:48,983 --> 00:33:52,073 and kinda had a chemistry right off, 718 00:33:52,117 --> 00:33:53,770 We were flirtin' with each other. 719 00:33:55,337 --> 00:33:58,297 We had a great 20 years together. 720 00:33:58,340 --> 00:34:01,082 The last five, Baby, you almost killed me. 721 00:34:02,823 --> 00:34:04,520 Oh, Bruce Rathgeb. Oh dear. 722 00:34:04,564 --> 00:34:06,522 Victoria Rathgeb, eww! 723 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:11,353 I was in a band, and she'd be saying, 724 00:34:11,397 --> 00:34:13,399 there was girls at your rehearsal, and this and that. 725 00:34:13,442 --> 00:34:15,314 I'm saying, no, no, you know. 726 00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:18,926 I don't like to talk negative about people that I-- 727 00:34:18,969 --> 00:34:21,146 you know, once you are married and living with them, 728 00:34:21,189 --> 00:34:24,149 and they wanna keep you in their order. 729 00:34:25,802 --> 00:34:27,108 I find out that he's cheating on me? 730 00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:29,415 Uh-uh! Later. 731 00:34:29,458 --> 00:34:31,112 And I said, "I'm not gonna fight." 732 00:34:31,156 --> 00:34:32,896 And here she comes with the gun. 733 00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:36,030 I said, you're gonna shoot me, really, for-for what? 734 00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:39,381 And I saw her aiming the gun, and I couldn't watch. 735 00:34:39,425 --> 00:34:41,122 So I turned my back, and... 736 00:34:41,166 --> 00:34:43,559 pop, she shot me in the back. 737 00:34:45,953 --> 00:34:47,824 It went through my lung, 738 00:34:47,868 --> 00:34:49,826 and I guess they went to operate, 739 00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:51,524 the bullet was a 1/4-inch from my heart 740 00:34:51,567 --> 00:34:53,178 so they left it in me. 741 00:34:53,221 --> 00:34:55,832 It's still in me now, traveling around somewhere. 742 00:34:55,876 --> 00:34:57,617 At one point, my doctor x-rayed me, 743 00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,619 and it was in my right shoulder. 744 00:34:59,662 --> 00:35:01,186 So, yeah, it's crazy. 745 00:35:05,973 --> 00:35:07,801 I loved her. 746 00:35:07,844 --> 00:35:09,019 And I still love her. 747 00:35:12,675 --> 00:35:15,417 She spent eight years in prison. 748 00:35:15,461 --> 00:35:17,680 - Was it eight years? Oh my God. 749 00:35:17,724 --> 00:35:19,639 - And she's been on parole for three years now, 750 00:35:19,682 --> 00:35:21,206 and it's scheduled to end in one month. 751 00:35:22,642 --> 00:35:24,252 - I'm trying to remember what the Hell got me in prison, 752 00:35:24,296 --> 00:35:25,949 to be honest, I'm-- 753 00:35:25,993 --> 00:35:27,255 - She doesn't-I don't think she really remembers 754 00:35:27,299 --> 00:35:29,257 the incident so much. 755 00:35:29,301 --> 00:35:31,781 - I don't, it's really weird. 756 00:35:31,825 --> 00:35:34,915 - I think she remembers that she was in prison. 757 00:35:34,958 --> 00:35:36,612 Maybe she doesn't want to remember. 758 00:35:38,832 --> 00:35:41,313 Well, I think I wonder why she really shot me. 759 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,187 She had the gun when I met her. 760 00:35:46,231 --> 00:35:47,884 Um, it was a Walther PPK 9mm. 761 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:50,757 A very good gun. 762 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,151 - Walther PPK. 7.65 mil, 763 00:35:53,194 --> 00:35:55,544 with a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window. 764 00:35:56,937 --> 00:35:58,286 - She got it as protection, uh... 765 00:35:58,330 --> 00:36:00,070 because of the Manson murders. 766 00:36:01,507 --> 00:36:03,465 She had the gun all those years, 767 00:36:03,509 --> 00:36:05,206 and then ended up shooting me, 768 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:06,903 instead of Charlie. 769 00:36:09,123 --> 00:36:11,821 - So, "Rosemary's Baby" was 1968. 770 00:36:11,865 --> 00:36:15,999 The Manson murders happened in '69, a year later, 771 00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:19,394 but Victoria was invited to be up there at the house, 772 00:36:19,438 --> 00:36:22,354 and stayed home for whatever reason. 773 00:36:22,397 --> 00:36:24,356 But uh, she was quite surprised to wake up the next morning 774 00:36:24,399 --> 00:36:26,749 to find out everybody that had gone up 775 00:36:26,793 --> 00:36:28,403 to the house that night was now dead. 776 00:36:32,277 --> 00:36:34,192 Male In a scene described by one investigator 777 00:36:34,235 --> 00:36:36,455 as reminiscent of a weird religious rite, 778 00:36:36,498 --> 00:36:38,935 five persons, including actress Sharon Tate, 779 00:36:38,979 --> 00:36:40,937 were found dead at the home of Ms. Tate 780 00:36:40,981 --> 00:36:43,288 and her husband, screen director, Roman Polanski. 781 00:36:44,854 --> 00:36:47,117 The house that had known a number of movie star tenants, 782 00:36:47,161 --> 00:36:50,033 suddenly became a scene more tragic than any horror movie. 783 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,776 - We have a weird homicide. 784 00:36:55,038 --> 00:36:56,997 We're trying to piece the thing together 785 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,478 with what small amount of physical evidence we have, 786 00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:01,610 and anything that I tell you at this point 787 00:37:01,654 --> 00:37:03,133 would be mere speculation, 788 00:37:03,177 --> 00:37:05,353 and I'm not gonna speculate. 789 00:37:05,397 --> 00:37:07,312 Male Los Angeles police are saying little 790 00:37:07,355 --> 00:37:09,836 at this time about possible progress on solving the murders 791 00:37:09,879 --> 00:37:11,968 of actress Sharon Tate, and four others. 792 00:37:14,101 --> 00:37:16,538 When Polanski in his shocked state 793 00:37:16,582 --> 00:37:18,888 arrived back in L.A., 794 00:37:18,932 --> 00:37:21,848 he saw the police investigation is going nowhere. 795 00:37:23,632 --> 00:37:26,983 As a result, he started to undertake some of his own 796 00:37:28,507 --> 00:37:30,248 uh, unofficial detective work. 797 00:37:31,423 --> 00:37:33,294 He suspected everybody. 798 00:37:34,643 --> 00:37:36,906 Roman called my dad to his bungalow, 799 00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:39,344 and Dad came home, and he said, 800 00:37:39,387 --> 00:37:41,955 he made me write the word "pig" over and over again. 801 00:37:41,998 --> 00:37:44,305 And Dad never understood 802 00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:47,003 why Roman asked him to do that. 803 00:37:47,047 --> 00:37:49,441 And he had my father's handwriting analyzed 804 00:37:49,484 --> 00:37:51,747 to see if it matched the "pig" 805 00:37:51,791 --> 00:37:53,009 that was written on the walls. 806 00:37:54,141 --> 00:37:56,535 I was shocked. 807 00:37:56,578 --> 00:37:58,798 Tommy Thompson, the entertainment editor of Life, 808 00:37:58,841 --> 00:38:00,887 was a friend of Roman's. 809 00:38:00,930 --> 00:38:03,063 And Roman said, I need a photographer to go up 810 00:38:03,106 --> 00:38:05,674 to the house to photograph it for clues, 811 00:38:05,718 --> 00:38:08,286 for this psychic, Peter Hurkos. 812 00:38:10,375 --> 00:38:12,115 He was a psychic to the stars, 813 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:14,988 whatever that means. 814 00:38:15,031 --> 00:38:17,164 Clues for the psychic to then analyze your photos? 815 00:38:17,207 --> 00:38:20,385 - Exactly, look at my photos and get psychic vibrations, 816 00:38:20,428 --> 00:38:22,256 and find out who the murderer was. 817 00:38:23,692 --> 00:38:25,346 Male Why were you called in on this case? 818 00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:28,001 A lot of people are somewhat skeptical of mystics 819 00:38:28,044 --> 00:38:30,395 and clairvoyants, and psychics. 820 00:38:30,438 --> 00:38:32,875 - I have proved it enough, 821 00:38:32,919 --> 00:38:34,660 and I'll take any test what scientists may impose. 822 00:38:34,703 --> 00:38:36,401 And I like skeptic people, I approve it. 823 00:38:36,444 --> 00:38:39,360 I wanna understand how Roman 824 00:38:39,404 --> 00:38:41,449 can put this trust in the psychic? 825 00:38:41,493 --> 00:38:43,625 - Because it's Hollywood, man! 826 00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:49,065 "Psychic!" 827 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,027 We went up there, 828 00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:55,898 and Roman was already there. 829 00:38:55,942 --> 00:38:57,770 And I asked him, what am I gonna do? 830 00:38:57,813 --> 00:38:59,424 And he told me, 831 00:38:59,467 --> 00:39:01,121 just photograph everything I'm looking at, 832 00:39:01,164 --> 00:39:03,297 which I did. 833 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,473 I mean, one of the pictures is iconic. 834 00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:08,868 It's of Roman sitting on a chair 835 00:39:08,911 --> 00:39:11,392 in front of the-the open door to his house, 836 00:39:11,436 --> 00:39:13,568 with the word "pig" written in blood 837 00:39:15,004 --> 00:39:16,615 that Julian took. 838 00:39:20,183 --> 00:39:22,229 Here's a psychic solving the crime. 839 00:39:24,449 --> 00:39:26,407 I don't know what he's looking for. 840 00:39:26,451 --> 00:39:28,975 The blood was so thick, it was like Jell-o 841 00:39:29,018 --> 00:39:30,759 in the living room, 842 00:39:30,803 --> 00:39:32,674 and the smell is horrible. 843 00:39:32,718 --> 00:39:34,763 Like a slaughterhouse. 844 00:39:35,982 --> 00:39:37,592 That's what it smelled like. 845 00:39:39,115 --> 00:39:41,814 The psychic was kind of a con artist. 846 00:39:41,857 --> 00:39:45,295 Julian took Polaroids while he was doing his shooting. 847 00:39:46,993 --> 00:39:50,257 Hurkos sold the pictures to one of the tabloids. 848 00:39:52,651 --> 00:39:55,480 The Polaroids, the psychic took 849 00:39:55,523 --> 00:39:57,917 to sell to the Hollywood Citizen News. 850 00:39:59,832 --> 00:40:01,877 Another Hollywood move, what else is he gonna do? 851 00:40:05,054 --> 00:40:06,795 When we were in the desert running, 852 00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:11,060 the girls told me specifically 853 00:40:11,104 --> 00:40:13,541 their part in the murderers. 854 00:40:15,630 --> 00:40:17,763 When Susan was killing Sharon, 855 00:40:19,155 --> 00:40:21,244 or helping kill her, 856 00:40:21,288 --> 00:40:23,986 And Sharon was begging for the life of her baby, 857 00:40:25,379 --> 00:40:27,425 Susan told me that she thought about... 858 00:40:28,817 --> 00:40:31,951 cutting the baby out, and say--rescuing the baby. 859 00:40:33,953 --> 00:40:36,608 What stuck with me even more than the details, 860 00:40:36,651 --> 00:40:38,871 and the details were pretty bad, 861 00:40:38,914 --> 00:40:41,613 was the way in which they told it. 862 00:40:41,656 --> 00:40:43,702 They told it, they were almost gleeful 863 00:40:43,745 --> 00:40:46,400 about what they had done for Charlie. 864 00:40:47,619 --> 00:40:49,272 - We wanna take the children to the desert. 865 00:40:49,316 --> 00:40:51,231 Your children. 866 00:40:51,274 --> 00:40:52,580 There's no reason why your children should die, 867 00:40:52,624 --> 00:40:54,930 they'll go to the-we'll take 'em to the desert. 868 00:40:54,974 --> 00:40:57,063 If you give 'em to us. 869 00:40:57,106 --> 00:40:58,673 I am not aware of the family 870 00:40:58,717 --> 00:41:01,937 Talking about "Rosemary's Baby," Polanski, 871 00:41:01,981 --> 00:41:03,852 but I can see how people 872 00:41:05,201 --> 00:41:07,290 could compare and contrast 873 00:41:07,334 --> 00:41:09,641 "Rosemary's Baby," 874 00:41:09,684 --> 00:41:11,556 and this woman giving birth to a child 875 00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,472 that was all engineered by a family 876 00:41:16,212 --> 00:41:19,738 for this baby then to become the child of the devil. 877 00:41:25,439 --> 00:41:27,354 The only time he reacted, 878 00:41:27,397 --> 00:41:29,356 when he was looking at pictures of Sharon in the bedroom, 879 00:41:29,399 --> 00:41:31,532 and he started crying, 880 00:41:31,576 --> 00:41:33,621 that was the only time I saw him react. 881 00:41:36,972 --> 00:41:39,279 Did he ever tell you to stop? 882 00:41:39,322 --> 00:41:41,107 - No, but man, I'm telling you, I felt that. 883 00:41:42,891 --> 00:41:44,676 - You felt like stopping? 884 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,548 - I-I felt very bad about this whole scene. 885 00:41:49,245 --> 00:41:50,812 I didn't want to be around there. 886 00:41:50,856 --> 00:41:53,075 I felt like I was a graverobber, it was awful. 887 00:41:54,468 --> 00:41:56,339 But you know, what do you do? 888 00:41:56,383 --> 00:41:58,428 You-you're working. 889 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,257 And then the uh, 890 00:42:01,301 --> 00:42:02,998 shot of the nightstand in their bedroom, 891 00:42:03,042 --> 00:42:06,175 and there's this wedding photo of Sharon and Roman, 892 00:42:06,219 --> 00:42:08,569 and the princess phone 893 00:42:08,613 --> 00:42:10,919 with black LAPD fingerprint powder all over it. 894 00:42:14,532 --> 00:42:16,969 That one shot just sums up the whole thing. 895 00:42:22,278 --> 00:42:24,542 People often ask, 896 00:42:24,585 --> 00:42:27,109 how would you describe evil? 897 00:42:27,153 --> 00:42:29,459 And they will always say, Adolf Hitler. 898 00:42:29,503 --> 00:42:32,158 And they will always say Charles Manson. 899 00:42:32,201 --> 00:42:34,900 And I think it's fascinating 900 00:42:34,943 --> 00:42:36,684 that Polanski's family were killed in a concentration camp, 901 00:42:36,728 --> 00:42:38,643 It's a direct result of Adolf Hitler. 902 00:42:38,686 --> 00:42:40,906 And his wife and friends were murdered 903 00:42:40,949 --> 00:42:43,169 as a direct result of Charles Manson. 904 00:42:43,212 --> 00:42:44,866 That's wild. 905 00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:46,607 That-there is something there that I can't explain. 906 00:42:49,392 --> 00:42:51,351 There were people out there who believed 907 00:42:51,394 --> 00:42:54,006 that what happened to Sharon and to Roman 908 00:42:54,049 --> 00:42:57,618 was karmic retribution for kind of exploiting 909 00:42:57,662 --> 00:42:59,794 the dark side, with "Rosemary's Baby." 910 00:43:01,013 --> 00:43:02,928 They were actually implying 911 00:43:02,971 --> 00:43:04,799 that it was the victim's own bad behavior 912 00:43:04,843 --> 00:43:06,845 that caused their murders. 913 00:43:06,888 --> 00:43:09,021 Jack Nicholson, who was friends with Sharon and Roman, 914 00:43:09,064 --> 00:43:11,545 said that Sharon had the unfortunate circumstance 915 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,591 of being murdered twice. 916 00:43:13,634 --> 00:43:15,636 Once by her actual killers, 917 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,638 and the next time by the press. 918 00:43:22,121 --> 00:43:24,514 Now, Cielo is right across the way here. 919 00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:28,170 I-I think that's it. - It's the street? 920 00:43:28,214 --> 00:43:29,955 - I think. I think, yeah. That's it. 921 00:43:29,998 --> 00:43:32,044 There's a sign here. Yeah, there, see? 922 00:43:32,087 --> 00:43:33,698 - Okay, that's Cielo. - Yeah, that's it. 923 00:43:33,741 --> 00:43:35,700 Yeah, all this is new. 924 00:43:35,743 --> 00:43:38,137 Yeah, when I came here, 925 00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:40,269 there was several police cars here, 926 00:43:40,313 --> 00:43:43,185 and there was a-a telephone coming--a line man 927 00:43:43,229 --> 00:43:46,014 at the top of that pole repairing the cut wire. 928 00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:47,494 I still didn't even know what happened. 929 00:43:52,717 --> 00:43:54,632 You want the overlook shot here, turn right. 930 00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:59,854 Yeah, there's the-where the Polanski house was. 931 00:43:59,898 --> 00:44:02,944 It was a tiny little red shingle place. 932 00:44:02,988 --> 00:44:04,554 Now you got that. 933 00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:08,950 This thing's probably five times bigger. 934 00:44:08,994 --> 00:44:11,300 This is L.A. excess, 935 00:44:11,344 --> 00:44:13,433 to the nth degree. 936 00:44:19,091 --> 00:44:21,310 At the end of the filming of "Rosemary's Baby," 937 00:44:21,354 --> 00:44:23,182 Mia Farrow bought my father 938 00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:27,142 a beautiful humidor where you keep cigars in. 939 00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:33,061 On the top of the cover was a 14-karat-gold devil, 940 00:44:33,105 --> 00:44:34,846 with ruby eyes. 941 00:44:34,889 --> 00:44:37,631 And it said, "To Bill. Love, Mia." 942 00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:39,633 And it ended up in a storage unit. 943 00:44:42,070 --> 00:44:43,724 And my husband was in the storage unit and he called me, 944 00:44:43,768 --> 00:44:45,683 and he said, what do I do with that? 945 00:44:45,726 --> 00:44:47,641 I'm like, you do nothing. 946 00:44:47,685 --> 00:44:49,469 You just leave it in that storage unit. 947 00:44:49,512 --> 00:44:51,732 I didn't want anything to do with it, 948 00:44:51,776 --> 00:44:53,778 because it represented bad luck. 949 00:44:53,821 --> 00:44:55,910 And even though we might not completely believe in it, 950 00:44:55,954 --> 00:44:57,782 we were too afraid not to.