1 00:00:13,535 --> 00:00:17,452 ♪♪♪ 2 00:00:25,634 --> 00:00:34,599 ♪♪♪ 3 00:00:34,643 --> 00:00:41,606 ♪♪♪ 4 00:00:41,650 --> 00:00:50,876 ♪♪♪ 5 00:00:53,140 --> 00:00:55,707 ♪♪♪ 6 00:00:55,751 --> 00:00:57,318 Robert: If I'm asked which Tarkovsky film 7 00:00:57,361 --> 00:00:59,972 I regard most highly, 8 00:01:00,016 --> 00:01:02,497 I will usually answer the one that I've seen most recently 9 00:01:02,540 --> 00:01:04,368 or the one that I'm watching right now. 10 00:01:04,412 --> 00:01:06,892 Sometimes I go back and watch "Ivan's Childhood," 11 00:01:06,936 --> 00:01:08,677 his very first film, 1962. 12 00:01:09,895 --> 00:01:11,288 With "Andrei Rublev," 13 00:01:12,507 --> 00:01:14,726 "Solaris," 14 00:01:14,770 --> 00:01:16,989 "Mirror," 15 00:01:17,033 --> 00:01:19,079 "Stalker," those films are indisputable. 16 00:01:20,645 --> 00:01:23,822 Mitch: "Stalker" is a haunting Soviet-era 17 00:01:23,866 --> 00:01:25,302 science fiction movie 18 00:01:25,346 --> 00:01:28,610 in which stalkers are figures who, for a price, 19 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,701 will escort people into this very dangerous area 20 00:01:32,744 --> 00:01:34,616 called "The Zone." 21 00:01:34,659 --> 00:01:38,663 This zone is considered to be the site, 22 00:01:38,707 --> 00:01:41,623 possibly, of a UFO landing. 23 00:01:42,754 --> 00:01:44,104 [Speaking Russian] 24 00:01:47,019 --> 00:01:49,326 - Or some sort of extraterrestrial event. 25 00:01:51,894 --> 00:01:54,679 And it has been cordoned off by the military, 26 00:01:54,723 --> 00:01:57,204 because inside of The Zone, 27 00:01:58,422 --> 00:02:00,120 there exists a place called "The Room." 28 00:02:03,732 --> 00:02:06,778 Mitch: And The Room is a place where you will be granted 29 00:02:06,822 --> 00:02:09,346 your deepest, most cherished desires. 30 00:02:11,827 --> 00:02:14,917 - Tarkovsky's got a particular way of making films. 31 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:18,877 I mean, "Stalker," it created a kind of mystery 32 00:02:18,921 --> 00:02:21,358 and a suspense without any action. 33 00:02:23,055 --> 00:02:24,927 He can hold a shot 34 00:02:24,970 --> 00:02:27,190 so that you start thinking, 35 00:02:27,234 --> 00:02:29,192 what's happening now? 36 00:02:29,236 --> 00:02:31,673 But then the shot becomes something else. 37 00:02:31,716 --> 00:02:33,979 The shot sort of evolves, 38 00:02:35,372 --> 00:02:37,157 just because of the time you're actually observing it. 39 00:02:38,941 --> 00:02:41,509 Denis Villeneuve has a similar sensibility. 40 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,341 Sean: Like Carl Dreyer's "The Passion of Joan of Arc," 41 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:51,693 Tarkovsky's camera is really just concentrating 42 00:02:51,736 --> 00:02:54,348 on the faces of the three principal actors, 43 00:02:54,391 --> 00:02:57,307 Aleksandr Kaydanovskiy, who plays the stalker, 44 00:02:57,351 --> 00:02:59,918 Nikolay Grinko, who plays the scientist, 45 00:02:59,962 --> 00:03:02,617 and Anatoliy Solonitsyn, who plays the writer. 46 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:05,533 Stalker" does have this reputation 47 00:03:05,576 --> 00:03:07,578 being a prophetic film. 48 00:03:07,622 --> 00:03:10,320 It clearly wasn't Tarkovsky's intention to make a film 49 00:03:10,364 --> 00:03:13,236 about nuclear power or ecological disaster, 50 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,020 but that's kind of there in the film. 51 00:03:16,457 --> 00:03:18,110 Robert: Of course Tarkovsky did encourage these 52 00:03:18,154 --> 00:03:19,808 sorts of wild interpretations, 53 00:03:19,851 --> 00:03:22,332 whether it be ecological disaster, 54 00:03:22,376 --> 00:03:24,639 or as a prediction of Chernobyl. 55 00:03:27,424 --> 00:03:29,687 Roger: The myth that surrounds the movie 56 00:03:29,731 --> 00:03:31,602 becomes almost part of the movie 57 00:03:31,646 --> 00:03:33,300 in some really strange way. 58 00:03:34,605 --> 00:03:36,564 The film is about belief, 59 00:03:36,607 --> 00:03:39,219 and there's been more myth built up about the film 60 00:03:39,262 --> 00:03:41,525 than actually is in the actual story. 61 00:03:43,919 --> 00:03:45,486 Sean: It really was, you know, one of cinema's 62 00:03:45,529 --> 00:03:47,270 most difficult shoots. 63 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:50,969 Problems with the lab ruining the stock, 64 00:03:51,013 --> 00:03:52,710 people being fired, the earthquakes. 65 00:03:54,712 --> 00:03:57,715 Since the film has been completed, 66 00:03:57,759 --> 00:03:59,761 a number of stories have grown up around "Stalker" 67 00:03:59,804 --> 00:04:01,806 to suggest that a lot of the crew 68 00:04:01,850 --> 00:04:04,200 actually became seriously ill 69 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:05,897 during the shooting of "Stalker." 70 00:04:05,941 --> 00:04:07,682 Roger: I don't think those people 71 00:04:07,725 --> 00:04:10,162 that were working on "Stalker" 72 00:04:10,206 --> 00:04:12,252 realized the danger that they might be in. 73 00:04:13,688 --> 00:04:15,342 [Speaks Italian] 74 00:04:21,478 --> 00:04:23,567 Robert: Several people that I've met 75 00:04:23,611 --> 00:04:25,265 experienced a central event in their lives 76 00:04:25,308 --> 00:04:27,615 while working on "Stalker." 77 00:04:27,658 --> 00:04:29,573 When I moved to Chicago, 78 00:04:29,617 --> 00:04:32,010 I started going up to a used bookstore 79 00:04:32,054 --> 00:04:34,317 that had old Soviet books that I was interested in, 80 00:04:34,361 --> 00:04:36,972 and I got talking to the proprietor, 81 00:04:37,015 --> 00:04:38,713 Grigory Verkhovsky. 82 00:04:39,975 --> 00:04:42,107 And only after some time did I learn 83 00:04:42,151 --> 00:04:44,675 that he had actually worked on "Stalker," 84 00:04:44,719 --> 00:04:46,677 and had all these photographs, 85 00:04:46,721 --> 00:04:48,288 had all these stories to tell. 86 00:04:49,854 --> 00:04:51,595 [Speaking Russian] 87 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:56,399 Robert: Over the years, I think "Stalker" has become 88 00:05:56,443 --> 00:05:59,097 the central film in Tarkovsky's oeuvre for many, 89 00:05:59,141 --> 00:06:02,013 the film that had the greatest mystique about it. 90 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:44,534 Mitch: One of the things that heightens the mystery, 91 00:06:44,578 --> 00:06:48,103 and the extraordinary qualities of the movie 92 00:06:48,146 --> 00:06:51,280 is that it was made in the Soviet era, 93 00:06:53,064 --> 00:06:56,328 in a society that at that time 94 00:06:56,372 --> 00:06:58,853 was officially atheistic, 95 00:06:58,896 --> 00:07:00,768 was ardently materialistic, 96 00:07:00,811 --> 00:07:03,423 and here is a film 97 00:07:03,466 --> 00:07:04,424 with extraordinary metaphysical themes. 98 00:07:07,949 --> 00:07:10,430 Sean: Tarkovsky came across "Stalker" in 1973, 99 00:07:11,996 --> 00:07:13,737 when he first read the novel, "Roadside Picnic," 100 00:07:13,781 --> 00:07:15,826 by the Strugatsky brothers. 101 00:07:15,870 --> 00:07:19,177 It was Tarkovsky's second foray into science fiction. 102 00:07:19,221 --> 00:07:21,136 He'd made "Solaris," 103 00:07:21,179 --> 00:07:23,791 based on a novel by Stanislaw Lem in 1972. 104 00:07:25,923 --> 00:07:28,317 And science fiction was seen by the Soviet authorities 105 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,450 as a safe genre. 106 00:08:36,951 --> 00:08:38,561 [Crowd shouts and cheers] 107 00:08:40,084 --> 00:08:43,305 - "Stalker" was beset with problems from the get-go. 108 00:08:45,002 --> 00:08:46,613 The film was due to start shooting 109 00:08:46,656 --> 00:08:49,006 towards the end of 1976 110 00:08:49,050 --> 00:08:51,356 in the Soviet Republic of Tajikistan, 111 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,010 in an area called Isfara. 112 00:09:11,551 --> 00:09:12,639 Robert: The first of the film's problems 113 00:09:12,682 --> 00:09:14,597 happened at this point, 114 00:09:14,641 --> 00:09:16,164 there was an earthquake in that area, 115 00:09:16,207 --> 00:09:17,948 rendering all of the locations they'd selected 116 00:09:17,992 --> 00:09:19,559 completely unusable. 117 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:34,878 - So Tarkovsky got his location scouts to start looking around 118 00:09:34,922 --> 00:09:37,315 in other parts of the Soviet Union, 119 00:09:37,359 --> 00:09:38,882 and they eventually settled on Estonia. 120 00:09:59,250 --> 00:10:02,819 Arvo: When I was a student in Moscow Film School in 1974, 121 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:06,606 I was terribly lucky, 122 00:10:08,085 --> 00:10:11,349 because I met my favorite filmmaker Andrei Tarkovsky. 123 00:10:14,265 --> 00:10:16,833 When they came to prepare the production 124 00:10:16,877 --> 00:10:20,010 of the "Stalker" in Tallinn, 125 00:10:22,099 --> 00:10:24,754 I asked permission from Tarkovsky 126 00:10:24,798 --> 00:10:28,628 to come to shooting ground of "Stalker." 127 00:10:30,978 --> 00:10:33,458 And actually I helped him also 128 00:10:34,851 --> 00:10:37,027 to find some locations. 129 00:10:39,116 --> 00:10:41,075 You see these letters. 130 00:10:41,118 --> 00:10:43,555 "U.N." United Nations. 131 00:10:43,599 --> 00:10:46,471 They were painted for "Stalker" film. 132 00:10:46,515 --> 00:10:48,648 And right here was entrance 133 00:10:49,736 --> 00:10:51,781 into The Zone. 134 00:10:51,825 --> 00:10:53,653 Get closer. 135 00:10:56,743 --> 00:10:59,833 [reads] "These letters were painted on the chimney in 1978, 136 00:11:01,356 --> 00:11:03,706 while shooting Andrei Tarkovsky's cult movie, 137 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:05,577 "Stalker." 138 00:11:05,621 --> 00:11:08,102 In the scene with the busy United Nations soldiers 139 00:11:08,145 --> 00:11:11,235 at the gate of the mysterious Zone, 140 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:14,804 the letters can barely be seen through the smoke and steam. 141 00:11:15,979 --> 00:11:18,808 The plaque was opened on May 7th, 2008, 142 00:11:20,157 --> 00:11:24,161 to commemorate the 30th anniversary of this... 143 00:11:25,380 --> 00:11:26,686 very good film." 144 00:11:27,904 --> 00:11:29,689 Let's play the scene from the "Stalker." 145 00:11:30,777 --> 00:11:33,040 I am on Land Rover, 146 00:11:33,083 --> 00:11:35,477 and the train, 147 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,392 with the two wagons, passed. 148 00:11:37,435 --> 00:11:40,003 So now I-- oh! Go. 149 00:11:41,352 --> 00:11:43,137 On the tracks, 150 00:11:43,180 --> 00:11:44,747 [Land Rover rumbles] 151 00:11:44,791 --> 00:11:46,706 now the soldiers notice, 152 00:11:47,794 --> 00:11:49,665 [Siren wails] 153 00:11:49,709 --> 00:11:51,972 and there was the projector, very heavy, 154 00:11:52,015 --> 00:11:54,235 like fog and mist. 155 00:11:54,278 --> 00:11:56,628 Land Rover turns around the corner, 156 00:11:56,672 --> 00:11:58,543 and disappears. 157 00:12:00,284 --> 00:12:02,678 On the shooting ground, 158 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:06,421 it was strictly not allowed anybody to take photographs. 159 00:12:08,336 --> 00:12:11,339 So I hid in the bushes during the rehearsals, 160 00:12:13,254 --> 00:12:16,170 and my first shots were made through the branches. 161 00:12:18,563 --> 00:12:20,522 I printed the images, 162 00:12:20,565 --> 00:12:22,785 and showed to Andrei. 163 00:12:22,829 --> 00:12:25,092 He was surprised, and said, "yeah!" 164 00:12:26,833 --> 00:12:30,140 For example, I shot in Mosfilm Studios, 165 00:12:31,576 --> 00:12:33,491 daydreaming Tarkovsky. 166 00:12:35,232 --> 00:12:38,540 And here, my favorite cinematographer this time, 167 00:12:38,583 --> 00:12:41,412 Georgy Rerberg, also on the "Stalker." 168 00:12:43,588 --> 00:12:47,505 I felt like it was second time going to film school. 169 00:12:49,507 --> 00:12:53,381 I saw how these masters are doing everything 170 00:12:53,424 --> 00:12:55,122 by their hands. 171 00:12:55,165 --> 00:12:56,776 It was... muah! 172 00:12:57,864 --> 00:12:59,430 wonderful. 173 00:13:00,867 --> 00:13:03,870 Andrei was very passionate about cinematic image, 174 00:13:05,175 --> 00:13:06,786 and mise en scène. 175 00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:09,266 But in this case, first time, 176 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:12,052 he was arranging all the moments of camera, 177 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,187 and cinematographer has nothing to do. 178 00:13:18,710 --> 00:13:20,974 - Tarkovsky is, if you like, the quintessential auteur. 179 00:13:21,017 --> 00:13:23,324 He liked to quote Tolstoy: 180 00:13:23,367 --> 00:13:25,369 "Never trouble others with what you can do yourself." 181 00:13:26,631 --> 00:13:28,198 The problem with that was it made Tarkovsky 182 00:13:28,242 --> 00:13:29,809 look a bit like an egomaniac. 183 00:13:53,789 --> 00:13:55,965 - Andrei is behind the camera. 184 00:13:56,009 --> 00:13:58,968 Actors are working before the camera. 185 00:13:59,012 --> 00:14:02,058 But cinematographer standing aside, 186 00:14:02,102 --> 00:14:04,234 and scratching his head. 187 00:14:04,278 --> 00:14:05,932 Nothing to do. 188 00:14:05,975 --> 00:14:09,544 So Rerberg started drinking, 189 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:13,374 fucking around with the young ladies, 190 00:14:14,723 --> 00:14:16,812 and um, 191 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:18,858 it made Andrei Tarkovsky mad. 192 00:14:21,164 --> 00:14:23,253 The relations grew worse. 193 00:14:25,386 --> 00:14:27,823 - On top of that, Tarkovsky apparently had a feeling 194 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:30,043 that there was something wrong with the stock. 195 00:14:30,086 --> 00:14:32,088 And he kept asking the lab to "please check." 196 00:14:41,706 --> 00:14:44,318 Arvo: They were shooting already six weeks, 197 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:48,322 not seeing any rushes. 198 00:14:48,365 --> 00:14:51,412 - For some reason, and I don't have a good answer why, 199 00:14:51,455 --> 00:14:54,284 um, they did not check the rushes. 200 00:14:54,328 --> 00:14:56,417 Jay: They weren't checking the rushes. 201 00:14:57,809 --> 00:14:58,985 - Really? 202 00:14:59,028 --> 00:15:01,074 Well, that's-- [Laughs] 203 00:15:01,117 --> 00:15:02,902 that seems pretty crazy, doesn't it? 204 00:15:04,164 --> 00:15:07,602 - Tarkovsky was using a new batch of Kodak 205 00:15:07,645 --> 00:15:10,474 that had been given to him by a producer in West Berlin. 206 00:15:12,085 --> 00:15:15,175 Roger: The first time they shot "Stalker" it was on 5247, 207 00:15:15,218 --> 00:15:17,090 which at the time was a new Kodak stock. 208 00:15:30,625 --> 00:15:32,627 - They did the whole shooting 209 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:34,846 and then returned to Moscow to check the rushes. 210 00:15:34,890 --> 00:15:37,153 Sean: Finally they were able to watch the rushes, 211 00:15:37,197 --> 00:15:39,286 and somebody described it as um, 212 00:15:39,329 --> 00:15:41,375 looking at though it had been shot through an aquarium. 213 00:15:41,418 --> 00:15:43,159 - It was all dark and green. 214 00:15:59,436 --> 00:16:01,177 - But how does that make sense, 215 00:16:01,221 --> 00:16:03,571 when any cinematographer in the world 216 00:16:03,614 --> 00:16:07,444 would shoot some tests with the film stock. 217 00:16:07,488 --> 00:16:10,447 Also, because there's one shot from the original version 218 00:16:10,491 --> 00:16:14,277 which is of this kind of rolling pollution on a lake, 219 00:16:14,321 --> 00:16:15,975 that is in the final film. 220 00:16:17,846 --> 00:16:19,674 It was certainly not dark and green. 221 00:16:19,717 --> 00:16:21,458 So they used that shot, 222 00:16:21,502 --> 00:16:23,112 but they're saying that shot was all right, 223 00:16:23,156 --> 00:16:24,940 but the rest of the footage wasn't? 224 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:26,550 So it doesn't make sense. 225 00:16:26,594 --> 00:16:28,944 - So opinions differ on what the precise problem was. 226 00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:31,642 Tarkovsky professed himself completely dissatisfied 227 00:16:31,686 --> 00:16:33,688 with the-simply the quality of the image. 228 00:16:33,731 --> 00:16:35,864 But he refused to continue working 229 00:16:35,907 --> 00:16:37,300 with what had been shot. 230 00:16:38,954 --> 00:16:41,652 - Hey, I wouldn't put that past a director 231 00:16:41,696 --> 00:16:43,350 who realized that, 232 00:16:43,393 --> 00:16:45,004 wouldn't it be nice to shoot it again? 233 00:16:46,744 --> 00:16:48,485 Maybe it was the way the lab printed it. 234 00:16:48,529 --> 00:16:50,313 Did anybody check the negative? 235 00:16:52,141 --> 00:16:54,230 Now, the negative was burned, right, later. 236 00:16:54,274 --> 00:16:56,232 So it doesn't exist anyway. 237 00:16:56,276 --> 00:16:58,626 So now the myth can grow even more, you know? 238 00:16:58,669 --> 00:17:00,541 [Laughs] 239 00:17:00,584 --> 00:17:03,326 The myth is so like The Room in the film isn't it, 240 00:17:03,370 --> 00:17:05,589 you know, it just kind of expands and takes on 241 00:17:05,633 --> 00:17:07,113 its own sort of dimensions. 242 00:17:30,701 --> 00:17:32,964 - Andrei decided that 243 00:17:33,008 --> 00:17:34,879 Georgy Rerberg is to be blamed. 244 00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:39,319 Robert: Other participants have suggested that 245 00:17:39,362 --> 00:17:42,452 Tarkovsky was using a small problem 246 00:17:42,496 --> 00:17:44,324 that perhaps was surmountable 247 00:17:44,367 --> 00:17:47,022 in order to get rid of a cinematographer 248 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:49,459 he had become dissatisfied with for one reason or another. 249 00:17:51,244 --> 00:17:54,334 - They spent already approximately 65% 250 00:17:55,552 --> 00:17:57,598 of the whole budget of the movie, 251 00:17:58,860 --> 00:18:01,819 and result was very close to zero. 252 00:18:03,169 --> 00:18:05,127 It was a scandal. 253 00:18:05,171 --> 00:18:08,087 On 23rd of July, 254 00:18:08,130 --> 00:18:10,654 they stopped the production totally. 255 00:18:10,698 --> 00:18:13,092 After that, Andrei got heart attack. 256 00:19:08,059 --> 00:19:09,496 Jay: Yeah, that's fine. 257 00:19:09,539 --> 00:19:12,455 - He was put to hospital for four weeks, 258 00:19:15,763 --> 00:19:17,852 and no visitors allowed. 259 00:19:19,593 --> 00:19:21,899 So only thing he could do, 260 00:19:21,943 --> 00:19:24,772 think again why the Hell 261 00:19:26,513 --> 00:19:29,298 the production went so badly. 262 00:19:30,865 --> 00:19:33,215 And I would say... 263 00:19:33,259 --> 00:19:36,871 that director Andrei Tarkovsky was not ready 264 00:19:38,742 --> 00:19:42,181 to make the film on 1977. 265 00:19:44,792 --> 00:19:47,751 Andrei Tarkovsky had no clarity 266 00:19:47,795 --> 00:19:51,015 what he wants the movie to be. 267 00:19:53,061 --> 00:19:55,933 Even such a genius like Andrei was, 268 00:19:55,977 --> 00:19:57,935 he's human. He's not sure. 269 00:19:59,067 --> 00:20:01,156 He's afraid. 270 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,679 He has big doubts. 271 00:20:04,768 --> 00:20:06,596 After heart attack, 272 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,511 he was like a different man. 273 00:20:10,992 --> 00:20:14,256 There was a clarity in the mind of Tarkovsky. 274 00:20:16,650 --> 00:20:21,263 He reconsidered the full structure and script, 275 00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:25,180 and the image of "Stalker." 276 00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:27,443 Now director Tarkovsky knew 277 00:20:28,618 --> 00:20:30,968 exactly what he is doing. 278 00:20:33,667 --> 00:20:35,451 Robert: Tarkovsky had to go back on location, 279 00:20:35,495 --> 00:20:38,062 and shoot the entire film again, 280 00:20:38,106 --> 00:20:39,760 on half the money. 281 00:20:41,022 --> 00:20:42,545 With a new cinematographer, 282 00:20:42,589 --> 00:20:44,591 with a mostly new crew, but with the same cast. 283 00:20:46,462 --> 00:20:49,160 This time, they were checking the rushes. 284 00:20:49,204 --> 00:20:53,774 ♪♪♪ 285 00:20:55,036 --> 00:20:57,081 - Apart from the earthquake, 286 00:20:57,125 --> 00:20:59,083 the lab ruining the footage, 287 00:20:59,127 --> 00:21:01,172 Tarkovsky having a heart attack, 288 00:21:01,216 --> 00:21:03,740 another problem that beset the production was sickness. 289 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:16,422 Sean: Tarkovsky himself died of cancer 290 00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:18,859 in 1986 at the age of 54. 291 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:22,732 This was only seven years after completing "Stalker." 292 00:22:24,255 --> 00:22:26,214 One of the rivers they were shooting on 293 00:22:26,257 --> 00:22:27,911 to the east of Tallinn, 294 00:22:27,955 --> 00:22:30,566 had various industrial waste flowing into it, 295 00:22:30,610 --> 00:22:33,003 and a number of crew members developed rashes, 296 00:22:33,047 --> 00:22:34,701 and fell sick during production. 297 00:23:38,547 --> 00:23:40,680 Roger: Is that a myth or not, 298 00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:42,769 that these number of people died 299 00:23:42,812 --> 00:23:45,511 because they spent those many, many weeks 300 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:47,513 kind of lying in the pollution 301 00:23:47,556 --> 00:23:49,819 of these old Soviet factories? 302 00:23:49,863 --> 00:23:51,430 I don't know. 303 00:24:29,293 --> 00:24:31,905 Jay: Would you lie in pollution 304 00:24:31,948 --> 00:24:33,472 to work with Tarkovsky? - [Laughs] 305 00:24:35,691 --> 00:24:38,825 Uh, I probably would have done back then, yes. 306 00:24:41,262 --> 00:24:42,829 I probably would've done. 307 00:24:42,872 --> 00:24:44,831 I mean, I do think the man was a genius. 308 00:24:44,874 --> 00:24:47,311 Maybe if I'd known it was pollution, 309 00:24:47,355 --> 00:24:49,662 and I was gonna die 30 years later, no. 310 00:24:49,705 --> 00:24:51,794 But in the moment, 311 00:24:51,838 --> 00:24:54,318 and being asked to shoot a shot up to my-- 312 00:24:54,362 --> 00:24:56,495 up to my waist in this pollution, 313 00:24:56,538 --> 00:24:57,713 I might well have done it. I don't know. 314 00:24:59,628 --> 00:25:01,369 Sean: Another one of the strange prophetic aspects 315 00:25:01,412 --> 00:25:04,154 of "Stalker" is that during the dream sequence, 316 00:25:04,198 --> 00:25:06,330 when the Stalker's wife is reciting 317 00:25:06,374 --> 00:25:08,724 from the Book of Revelation, you're going over a gun, 318 00:25:10,117 --> 00:25:11,988 and some medical equipment, 319 00:25:12,032 --> 00:25:14,121 and the van Eyck Ghent Altarpiece, 320 00:25:14,164 --> 00:25:16,166 you also see a calendar, 321 00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:17,733 a page torn off from the calendar. 322 00:25:19,213 --> 00:25:21,650 And it says December the 28th, 323 00:25:21,694 --> 00:25:23,565 and it's under the water, floating like a leaf. 324 00:25:23,609 --> 00:25:26,525 December the 28th, 1986, 325 00:25:26,568 --> 00:25:28,396 was Tarkovsky's last day alive. 326 00:26:28,674 --> 00:26:30,414 Andres: Most of the people who are interested 327 00:26:30,458 --> 00:26:32,982 are-are true afficionados of you know, 328 00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:36,420 the-the culture of film, 329 00:26:36,464 --> 00:26:39,554 and I guess it's a kind of a secretive cult, 330 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:41,687 [Laughs] if you could call it that. 331 00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:46,343 Yeah, cult of Tarkovsky, or the cult of "Stalker." 332 00:26:48,476 --> 00:26:51,914 Arvo: People from very different places 333 00:26:51,958 --> 00:26:56,179 are coming and ask me to take them into Zone. 334 00:26:58,399 --> 00:27:01,620 During these years I guided to The Zone, 335 00:27:02,838 --> 00:27:05,188 I'm sure more than a hundred people. 336 00:27:05,232 --> 00:27:07,843 Now we really get stalking. 337 00:27:09,018 --> 00:27:10,629 That's it. 338 00:27:12,065 --> 00:27:13,849 Andres: So, I was interested 339 00:27:13,893 --> 00:27:16,983 in kind of stories of misfits, 340 00:27:17,026 --> 00:27:18,811 and other kinds of stalkers 341 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:24,468 wandering around you know, nowadays. 342 00:27:24,512 --> 00:27:26,166 - Now, get in. 343 00:27:26,209 --> 00:27:28,472 - You can still visit these landscapes, 344 00:27:28,516 --> 00:27:31,650 and feel that you are inside The Zone. 345 00:27:35,088 --> 00:27:37,394 - Now, we are on the location 346 00:27:38,569 --> 00:27:39,875 one of the first scenes. 347 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,662 Alfa Romeo, three meters. 348 00:27:45,838 --> 00:27:47,927 And the car moved this way. 349 00:27:49,363 --> 00:27:51,974 This is real place where it happened. 350 00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:55,717 That's it. 351 00:27:55,761 --> 00:27:57,719 [Laughs] Good! 352 00:27:57,763 --> 00:27:59,634 That's it. 353 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,201 - You are standing on it? 354 00:28:01,244 --> 00:28:02,681 [Both laugh] 355 00:28:04,378 --> 00:28:06,685 Anders: Most of the filming was done in the center of Tallinn. 356 00:28:08,121 --> 00:28:10,427 - Welcome to Stalker Street! 357 00:28:10,471 --> 00:28:11,907 Stalker Kaik. 358 00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:17,521 - Look at these walls. Come on here. 359 00:28:17,565 --> 00:28:19,567 - And you can still find um, 360 00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:21,438 some of the locations 361 00:28:21,482 --> 00:28:23,832 fairly well preserved. 362 00:28:23,876 --> 00:28:26,705 - [Makes motor sound] Coming. 363 00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:28,532 - You can actually sort of find yourself in... 364 00:28:29,969 --> 00:28:32,188 um, well, The Zone. 365 00:28:32,232 --> 00:28:35,714 - Something-- Now I try to get. 366 00:28:35,757 --> 00:28:37,759 Is it now? 367 00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:38,934 [Engine rumbles] 368 00:28:38,978 --> 00:28:41,502 "AT," Andrei Tarkovsky. 369 00:28:42,677 --> 00:28:44,157 Do you remember? 370 00:28:45,593 --> 00:28:47,334 [Laughs] 371 00:28:51,991 --> 00:28:54,471 We are in the beginning of Zone. 372 00:28:57,431 --> 00:28:58,867 If you remember, 373 00:28:58,911 --> 00:29:02,088 all these war machines were over there. 374 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,701 And in the film, 375 00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:09,269 no living human creature except Stalker 376 00:29:10,574 --> 00:29:12,228 never goes there. 377 00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:19,018 ♪♪♪ 378 00:29:19,061 --> 00:29:20,933 Dan Rather: Good evening, this is the CBS Evening News. 379 00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:22,804 Dan Rather reporting. 380 00:29:22,848 --> 00:29:25,459 Every indication is that it was a serious accident. 381 00:29:25,502 --> 00:29:28,070 The tightly controlled Soviet government press 382 00:29:28,114 --> 00:29:31,073 calls it a nuclear power plant reactor accident north of Kyiv. 383 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,208 The Soviets only hinted at possible casualties. 384 00:29:35,251 --> 00:29:37,819 They say flat out a reactor was damaged. 385 00:29:37,863 --> 00:29:41,301 Narrator: Human error stretches the limits of technology again 386 00:29:41,344 --> 00:29:44,304 when the cooling system in the Number 4 Power Reactor 387 00:29:44,347 --> 00:29:46,523 at Chernobyl fails, 388 00:29:46,567 --> 00:29:49,831 heating the fuel rods to over 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit, 389 00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:52,312 and causing a massive meltdown. [Siren blares] 390 00:29:52,355 --> 00:29:54,880 The buildup of gases in the reactor 391 00:29:54,923 --> 00:29:56,969 blows the roof off the building, 392 00:29:57,012 --> 00:29:59,275 beginning the rapid spread of huge clouds 393 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:01,277 of deadly radiation into the atmosphere. 394 00:30:03,105 --> 00:30:13,159 ♪♪♪ 395 00:30:13,202 --> 00:30:15,378 - One of the rumors surrounding "Stalker" 396 00:30:15,422 --> 00:30:17,467 is that it predicted, 397 00:30:17,511 --> 00:30:19,339 or prophesied in some way, 398 00:30:19,382 --> 00:30:21,645 the Chernobyl nuclear accident in 1986. 399 00:30:23,256 --> 00:30:25,475 There are uncanny parallels with Tarkovsky's film. 400 00:30:27,695 --> 00:30:30,089 Robert: The professor brings this small bomb into The Zone 401 00:30:30,132 --> 00:30:31,873 with the idea of destroying it. 402 00:30:41,317 --> 00:30:43,102 - The professor in the film 403 00:30:43,145 --> 00:30:45,017 gets the bomb out of fourth bunker. 404 00:30:54,156 --> 00:30:56,202 - People have pointed out that at Chernobyl, 405 00:30:56,245 --> 00:30:58,160 it was the fourth reactor that exploded. 406 00:30:59,770 --> 00:31:01,947 So they're saying, well, here's Tarkovsky 407 00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:04,340 almost pre-empting the actual number of the reactor. 408 00:31:06,342 --> 00:31:08,867 Robert: But in a way it's the radiation 409 00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:11,608 in the film that is really the atomic element there, 410 00:31:13,219 --> 00:31:15,786 and that has caused people to relate the film to Chernobyl, 411 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:17,527 which happened a few years later. 412 00:31:19,094 --> 00:31:23,229 Sean: When the reactor melted down in 1986, 413 00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:25,796 the town of Pripyat was sealed off, 414 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,886 and they created a zone 415 00:31:27,929 --> 00:31:29,452 very much like the zone in "Stalker." 416 00:31:31,237 --> 00:31:33,282 - I don't know who found this word, 417 00:31:33,326 --> 00:31:34,980 "stalker," "stalking," 418 00:31:35,023 --> 00:31:37,156 but now it's extremely popular. 419 00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:42,074 So-called stalkers are making money 420 00:31:42,117 --> 00:31:45,991 bringing people to zone of Chernobyl. 421 00:31:49,037 --> 00:31:50,865 And uh, 422 00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:53,607 believe that they will not get radiation. 423 00:31:53,650 --> 00:31:55,130 [Static crackles] 424 00:31:56,262 --> 00:31:58,133 They believe. 425 00:31:58,177 --> 00:32:01,049 [Chuckles] It's strange. 426 00:33:40,322 --> 00:33:43,847 ♪♪♪ 427 00:33:43,891 --> 00:33:46,372 Oksana: My name is Oksana. 428 00:33:46,415 --> 00:33:49,505 I'm working as a tour guide for two years. 429 00:33:52,552 --> 00:33:55,163 Before, officially, it was a kind of um, 430 00:33:55,207 --> 00:33:57,252 studying trips. 431 00:33:57,296 --> 00:33:59,559 We were like teachers. 432 00:33:59,602 --> 00:34:01,909 This building is the Hotel Polica, 433 00:34:01,952 --> 00:34:03,911 and this one is right behind it. 434 00:34:03,954 --> 00:34:05,826 It was the city council. 435 00:34:05,869 --> 00:34:07,958 We teach you about radiation. 436 00:34:08,002 --> 00:34:09,960 We teach you about the history of the place. 437 00:34:10,004 --> 00:34:12,224 But now, officially, 438 00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:14,922 due to the government of Ukraine, it became a tourism. 439 00:34:17,446 --> 00:34:19,361 [Woman laughs] 440 00:34:19,405 --> 00:34:21,537 - In the early beginning, 441 00:34:21,581 --> 00:34:23,409 there were a lot of people 442 00:34:23,452 --> 00:34:25,237 who were just passionate because of the film. 443 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,804 And later, of course, 444 00:34:27,848 --> 00:34:30,590 they started to use the words from the film, 445 00:34:30,633 --> 00:34:32,461 the phrases from the film. 446 00:34:33,854 --> 00:34:36,030 - I am absolutely sure 447 00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:38,815 everybody who goes to the zone there, 448 00:34:40,382 --> 00:34:42,689 they have seen film "Stalker" at least five times. 449 00:34:42,732 --> 00:34:44,734 [Laughs] 450 00:34:44,778 --> 00:34:47,868 Some of them know it from the heart, you know? 451 00:34:47,911 --> 00:34:49,391 [Laughs] 452 00:35:29,736 --> 00:35:31,216 ♪♪♪ 453 00:36:08,862 --> 00:36:10,994 [Beeping] 454 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,635 - So now we are close to the heart of The Zone. 455 00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:46,769 The Magic Chamber is over there. 456 00:36:46,813 --> 00:36:49,424 Make up your wishes. [Laughs] 457 00:36:51,383 --> 00:36:55,213 ♪♪♪ 458 00:36:55,256 --> 00:36:57,563 All of the rooms of this power plant 459 00:36:57,606 --> 00:37:00,740 were recreated in Mosfilm Studios. 460 00:37:02,481 --> 00:37:05,266 What is exactly the same 461 00:37:05,310 --> 00:37:07,921 are these concrete covered by moss. 462 00:37:12,882 --> 00:37:14,623 It was for me like a pilgrimage. 463 00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:18,584 Because I knew the people, I knew Andrei. 464 00:37:21,587 --> 00:37:24,764 And many of them already passed away. 465 00:37:27,723 --> 00:37:30,552 I had very close feeling, 466 00:37:31,901 --> 00:37:34,339 like, years later I went to Jerusalem, 467 00:37:36,036 --> 00:37:37,733 and visited places where... 468 00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:41,520 Jesus Christ was... 469 00:37:42,999 --> 00:37:44,827 born, buried. 470 00:37:46,351 --> 00:37:48,135 Yeah, pilgrimage. 471 00:37:48,178 --> 00:37:49,571 You see these two windows. 472 00:37:50,703 --> 00:37:53,096 Behind those windows, 473 00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:55,490 this Magic Chamber 474 00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:59,320 where your human dreams or wishes 475 00:37:59,364 --> 00:38:01,148 will be fulfilled. 476 00:38:01,191 --> 00:38:02,802 This was there. 477 00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:08,242 Jay: If you could enter the room, 478 00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:09,896 what would you wish for? 479 00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:15,380 - I was 29 years old, 480 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,906 uh, just graduated film school. 481 00:38:21,951 --> 00:38:24,519 I-I didn't enter the room. 482 00:38:24,563 --> 00:38:26,304 But if I would, 483 00:38:29,176 --> 00:38:31,918 my wish maybe could be that someday, 484 00:38:33,354 --> 00:38:36,923 I would like to do really good films 485 00:38:36,966 --> 00:38:39,142 like Andrei Tarkovsky, 486 00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:41,449 on the same level. 487 00:38:43,886 --> 00:38:45,758 Andres: Everybody can make up their own minds 488 00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:47,325 about what The Zone is. 489 00:38:48,674 --> 00:38:52,242 I think this uncertainty is what captures 490 00:38:52,286 --> 00:38:53,809 people's imagination. 491 00:38:55,855 --> 00:38:57,944 It's a bit like a Japanese garden or something. 492 00:38:59,424 --> 00:39:02,035 You see the stones around you, 493 00:39:02,078 --> 00:39:04,864 and it's some kind of a healing experience. 494 00:39:06,822 --> 00:39:08,433 It's-it's a good place to go to, yeah. 495 00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:13,655 Jay: Do you think there's a magic to the real locations 496 00:39:13,699 --> 00:39:15,657 as there was in The Zone in the film? 497 00:39:17,833 --> 00:39:19,357 - [Sighs] 498 00:39:21,097 --> 00:39:22,925 I believe there is something, yeah. 499 00:39:26,494 --> 00:39:29,236 One young lady asked me, 500 00:39:29,279 --> 00:39:32,108 Arvo, please bring me to The Zone, 501 00:39:33,806 --> 00:39:36,417 and show me where the Stalker was laying down. 502 00:39:38,288 --> 00:39:42,075 Her twin sister died three weeks ago. 503 00:39:44,991 --> 00:39:46,819 I left her there for 20 minutes. 504 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,388 And when we meet after that, 505 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:53,391 she was totally changed. 506 00:39:54,696 --> 00:39:57,133 She was calm and balanced. 507 00:39:58,352 --> 00:40:00,180 I don't know what happened, 508 00:40:00,223 --> 00:40:02,965 but it is a fact that she was changed. 509 00:40:05,707 --> 00:40:08,493 That what I saw with my own eyes. 510 00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:12,497 I have no explanation. 511 00:40:16,022 --> 00:40:23,986 ♪♪♪ 512 00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:32,995 ♪♪♪ 513 00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:42,004 ♪♪♪ 514 00:40:42,048 --> 00:40:51,013 ♪♪♪ 515 00:40:51,057 --> 00:41:00,022 ♪♪♪ 516 00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:09,031 ♪♪♪ 517 00:41:09,075 --> 00:41:13,035 ♪♪♪ 518 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:18,563 ♪♪♪