1 00:00:29,567 --> 00:00:30,000 [gun cocking] 2 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,700 [gun cocking] 3 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Welcome to Very Scary People. I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 4 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,266 Welcome to Very Scary People. I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 5 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,000 For nature lovers, 6 00:01:02,066 --> 00:01:04,066 the hiking trails of Northern California 7 00:01:04,066 --> 00:01:06,467 are nothing short of paradise. 8 00:01:06,467 --> 00:01:08,800 Stunning scenery, breathtaking views, 9 00:01:08,867 --> 00:01:11,567 and the chance to escape from the pressures of daily life. 10 00:01:12,166 --> 00:01:14,100 But beginning in 1979, 11 00:01:14,166 --> 00:01:17,000 a chilling mystery was unfolding on those trails. 12 00:01:17,066 --> 00:01:20,367 A man known as The Trailside Killer was targeting women, 13 00:01:20,367 --> 00:01:22,800 raping, torturing, and murdering them 14 00:01:22,867 --> 00:01:25,467 in a place where they had always felt safe. 15 00:01:25,467 --> 00:01:28,667 Investigators had few clues to the killer's identity, 16 00:01:28,667 --> 00:01:30,000 but the last five murders were all committed with the same weapon, 17 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,867 but the last five murders were all committed with the same weapon, 18 00:01:31,867 --> 00:01:35,166 and the attacks happened on weekends and holidays. 19 00:01:35,166 --> 00:01:39,500 Could this pattern bring detectives closer to catching this monster? 20 00:01:39,567 --> 00:01:42,100 Here's part two of The Trailside Killer. 21 00:01:55,066 --> 00:01:58,100 Police are still trying to find the person, or persons, 22 00:01:58,166 --> 00:02:00,000 responsible for seven grisly murders in Marin County, California. 23 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,166 responsible for seven grisly murders in Marin County, California. 24 00:02:03,066 --> 00:02:06,100 It was the dominating news of the time. 25 00:02:06,166 --> 00:02:08,400 The Trailside Killer was huge. 26 00:02:08,467 --> 00:02:10,700 [Wood] It was random, random victims, 27 00:02:10,767 --> 00:02:14,900 and those are the most terrorizing of killers 28 00:02:14,967 --> 00:02:17,400 because you don't know who's next. 29 00:02:17,467 --> 00:02:18,600 You don't know if you're next. 30 00:02:19,767 --> 00:02:23,100 [man] I got close enough and I saw two people, 31 00:02:23,166 --> 00:02:24,100 and... 32 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,300 It looked like they were executed. 33 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:29,900 [Graysmith] This is beyond belief. 34 00:02:29,967 --> 00:02:30,000 That's four bodies on the same trail. 35 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,400 That's four bodies on the same trail. 36 00:02:33,367 --> 00:02:35,700 This was so deliberate. Just... 37 00:02:37,667 --> 00:02:38,900 [sighs] 38 00:02:38,967 --> 00:02:40,500 [Det. Sgt. Brook] They found 38 bullets 39 00:02:40,567 --> 00:02:41,967 in all of them. 40 00:02:41,967 --> 00:02:44,367 That really made it a serial murder case. 41 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,200 Who is this person that's doing this? 42 00:02:48,266 --> 00:02:50,100 [reporter] As this pattern of killings emerged, 43 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:51,467 fear changed the way 44 00:02:51,467 --> 00:02:53,400 practically every Bay Area hiker 45 00:02:53,467 --> 00:02:55,000 enjoyed the outdoors. 46 00:02:55,066 --> 00:02:58,567 There is a lot of ugliness in those mountains. 47 00:02:58,567 --> 00:03:00,000 We had an awareness because it was in the media all the time, 48 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,800 We had an awareness because it was in the media all the time, 49 00:03:02,867 --> 00:03:08,367 but the next leap is did I know the person who was doing these things? 50 00:03:08,967 --> 00:03:10,700 Never entered my mind. 51 00:03:12,667 --> 00:03:16,367 [Ludlow] David Carpenter had actually been in the juvenile justice system. 52 00:03:16,367 --> 00:03:20,100 At the age of 14, he was committed to the Napa State Hospital 53 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:22,166 for sexual offences. 54 00:03:22,166 --> 00:03:24,967 [Keraghosian] He was too ordinary [chuckling] to notice, 55 00:03:24,967 --> 00:03:28,467 but he certainly didn't have the record of an ordinary person. 56 00:03:28,467 --> 00:03:30,000 July 12, 1960, he was charged with assault and kidnapping. 57 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,100 July 12, 1960, he was charged with assault and kidnapping. 58 00:03:34,166 --> 00:03:38,100 [Ludlow] Lois noticed as soon as he started the attack on her 59 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:39,367 he didn't stutter at all, 60 00:03:40,300 --> 00:03:41,667 like it calmed him. 61 00:03:42,867 --> 00:03:46,266 David was raping, and burglarizing homes, 62 00:03:46,266 --> 00:03:49,500 -and kidnapping people, and stealing cars. -[engine starts] 63 00:03:50,367 --> 00:03:51,500 [Graysmith] Later, the doctor said 64 00:03:51,567 --> 00:03:54,266 this man had an overwhelming desire, 65 00:03:54,266 --> 00:03:56,667 but it couldn't stay bottled up, it had to come out. 66 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:58,667 [Det. Henard] What did he learn 67 00:03:58,667 --> 00:04:00,000 the first two times he went to prison? 68 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,567 the first two times he went to prison? 69 00:04:02,567 --> 00:04:06,367 Kill your victim. Chances of you getting caught are a lot less. 70 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,367 [gunshot] 71 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:21,567 Ellen Hansen and Steven Haertle 72 00:04:21,567 --> 00:04:23,800 were college students from Davis 73 00:04:23,867 --> 00:04:25,667 who had come down here for the weekend 74 00:04:25,667 --> 00:04:28,667 to enjoy the park. 75 00:04:28,667 --> 00:04:30,000 [Ludlow] Ellen was familiar with camping, 76 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:30,900 [Ludlow] Ellen was familiar with camping, 77 00:04:30,967 --> 00:04:33,100 but it would be Steven's first camping trip, 78 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:34,667 and she really wanted him to experience 79 00:04:34,667 --> 00:04:35,900 this beautiful area. 80 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,066 Ellen and Steve were hiking toward an observation deck. 81 00:04:42,066 --> 00:04:44,900 [Ludlow] Steven and Ellen had passed this man on the trail, 82 00:04:44,967 --> 00:04:48,166 and he seemed to have this stern look on his face 83 00:04:48,166 --> 00:04:51,667 like he was really in a hurry to get somewhere. 84 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:53,667 Later that day, they saw him again, 85 00:04:53,667 --> 00:04:56,467 and this time he was coming towards them, 86 00:04:57,567 --> 00:04:59,900 and he said something to the effect of, 87 00:04:59,967 --> 00:05:00,000 "Oh, so, we meet again." 88 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,200 "Oh, so, we meet again." 89 00:05:02,266 --> 00:05:06,767 And Steven was about to make a joke or say something in response, 90 00:05:06,767 --> 00:05:08,533 and the man pulled out a gun. 91 00:05:10,500 --> 00:05:14,467 Steven starts to tell the man, "You can have my wallet, you can take our cash." 92 00:05:14,467 --> 00:05:16,800 And the man tells him, "I'm not here to rob you. 93 00:05:16,867 --> 00:05:18,166 I'm gonna rape your girlfriend." 94 00:05:20,166 --> 00:05:22,467 Well, Steve is trying to talk him out it. 95 00:05:22,467 --> 00:05:23,834 "You don't want to do this." 96 00:05:24,767 --> 00:05:26,567 [Ludlow] The man is pointing his weapon at them, 97 00:05:26,567 --> 00:05:28,100 trying to take them off the trail. 98 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:30,000 Ellen tells Steven, "Don't do it, 99 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,767 Ellen tells Steven, "Don't do it, 100 00:05:32,767 --> 00:05:36,767 don't listen to him, he's gonna shoot us anyway." 101 00:05:36,767 --> 00:05:40,100 At the same time, Steven starts to stumble. 102 00:05:40,166 --> 00:05:42,367 It was almost like an automatic response 103 00:05:42,367 --> 00:05:45,667 where she put up her hand as if to ward off the gun. 104 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,367 -The man shoots the weapon... -[gunshot] 105 00:05:50,467 --> 00:05:53,900 ...and hits both Ellen and Steven. 106 00:05:53,967 --> 00:05:58,867 Steve goes down to the side, and he gets shot in the neck. 107 00:05:58,867 --> 00:06:00,000 -She got shot twice in the torso... -[gunshots] 108 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,467 -She got shot twice in the torso... -[gunshots] 109 00:06:02,467 --> 00:06:05,667 ...and then he did an execution shot to her head. 110 00:06:07,066 --> 00:06:07,867 [gunshot] 111 00:06:11,367 --> 00:06:15,166 In 1981, I was 18 years old. 112 00:06:15,166 --> 00:06:18,967 My dad and I went for a trip together, 113 00:06:18,967 --> 00:06:23,967 and we had hiked to this observation deck. 114 00:06:23,967 --> 00:06:26,166 It was a little bit before sunset. 115 00:06:27,367 --> 00:06:30,000 There was actually a man on the observation deck. 116 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,867 There was actually a man on the observation deck. 117 00:06:31,867 --> 00:06:34,700 He was looking through binoculars, 118 00:06:34,767 --> 00:06:41,500 he was wearing blue jeans, a golden color windbreaker, and a cap, 119 00:06:41,567 --> 00:06:43,266 and he had a backpack. 120 00:06:43,266 --> 00:06:46,900 He just looked like the average Joe, basically. 121 00:06:48,266 --> 00:06:52,367 We actually did talk to the man a little bit. 122 00:06:52,367 --> 00:06:56,500 This is a wonderful location to see the scenery, 123 00:06:56,567 --> 00:06:59,867 and he agreed but he said that 124 00:06:59,867 --> 00:07:00,000 he wished the sun wasn't so bright. 125 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,667 he wished the sun wasn't so bright. 126 00:07:05,667 --> 00:07:10,867 A few minutes after this man departed the observation deck, 127 00:07:10,867 --> 00:07:13,100 we heard this popping sound. 128 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:14,266 Pop, pop, pop. 129 00:07:14,266 --> 00:07:16,467 [gunshots] 130 00:07:16,467 --> 00:07:21,467 [Fritz] We didn't really know exactly what that popping sound was. 131 00:07:21,467 --> 00:07:25,100 My dad and I, we decided to proceed on, 132 00:07:25,166 --> 00:07:30,000 and off in the distance we saw a man approaching us, yelling for help. 133 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,166 and off in the distance we saw a man approaching us, yelling for help. 134 00:07:32,467 --> 00:07:37,600 He was holding his neck and said, "I've been shot. 135 00:07:37,667 --> 00:07:43,100 My girlfriend is shot. I believe she's dead." 136 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:49,100 And then he described the man who did the shootings. 137 00:07:49,166 --> 00:07:55,367 The description fit exactly the man that my dad and I spoke with. 138 00:07:56,767 --> 00:07:58,467 We had to come up with a plan. 139 00:08:00,166 --> 00:08:02,800 My dad would stay with the man. 140 00:08:02,867 --> 00:08:06,967 I was to run as fast as I could to get help. 141 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,166 I got to where the trail head is, 142 00:08:12,166 --> 00:08:14,900 and people that happened to be camping 143 00:08:14,967 --> 00:08:18,667 gave me a ride to the ranger's station. 144 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:21,900 My dad, with the man who was shot, 145 00:08:21,967 --> 00:08:27,266 somehow they were able to make it to the park ranger's station, 146 00:08:27,266 --> 00:08:29,500 and while we were standing there, 147 00:08:29,567 --> 00:08:30,000 we saw a car leave, and that's him. 148 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,200 we saw a car leave, and that's him. 149 00:08:34,567 --> 00:08:38,867 He was leaving in a red economy-type car. 150 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:43,467 This crazy person is out loose now. Now what? 151 00:08:55,867 --> 00:08:58,767 [Det. Henard] There was a shooting at Henry Cowell Park. 152 00:08:58,767 --> 00:09:02,867 A female was shot and died at the scene, 153 00:09:02,867 --> 00:09:06,000 and her male companion, he was shot, 154 00:09:06,066 --> 00:09:07,667 and he had been transported 155 00:09:07,667 --> 00:09:10,367 to Dominican Hospital for treatment. 156 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:17,166 I started bringing in guys, getting everybody organized 157 00:09:17,166 --> 00:09:20,100 who had a ride to work right then that day. 158 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:22,900 We started getting the people that were the witnesses. 159 00:09:22,967 --> 00:09:23,491 I remember the father, Leland Fritz, 160 00:09:23,491 --> 00:09:26,300 I remember the father, Leland Fritz, 161 00:09:26,367 --> 00:09:28,300 watched him drive away 162 00:09:28,367 --> 00:09:31,967 and was able to give us a pretty good description of the red car. 163 00:09:31,967 --> 00:09:35,266 [Fritz] My dad was obviously very observant. 164 00:09:35,266 --> 00:09:37,967 He saw the bent exhaust pipe. 165 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,600 That information went out in a bulletin 166 00:09:40,667 --> 00:09:41,667 to all the police departments. 167 00:09:41,667 --> 00:09:43,166 [Det. Henard] The individual was seen 168 00:09:43,166 --> 00:09:47,100 by a number of witnesses that were also in the park. 169 00:09:47,166 --> 00:09:52,000 The description was that he was an older man in his '50s, 170 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,491 he had a hat, baseball hat, clean shaven, 171 00:09:53,491 --> 00:09:56,567 he had a hat, baseball hat, clean shaven, 172 00:09:56,567 --> 00:10:00,300 5'10", 5'11", over 185lbs, 173 00:10:00,367 --> 00:10:03,066 and he had a distinctive jacket on. 174 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:10,266 This was a golden color windbreaker that, on the back, 175 00:10:10,266 --> 00:10:16,467 it described something about a beer drinking contest in Montana. 176 00:10:17,667 --> 00:10:20,667 It was really a unique jacket. 177 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:23,491 [beeping] 178 00:10:23,491 --> 00:10:24,066 [beeping] 179 00:10:25,266 --> 00:10:26,166 [Det. Henard] I didn't see Steven. 180 00:10:26,166 --> 00:10:27,100 I was just told 181 00:10:27,166 --> 00:10:28,800 that he was in distress 182 00:10:28,867 --> 00:10:30,100 at Dominican Hospital. 183 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,100 [Det. Sgt. Brook] Steve can't talk 184 00:10:32,166 --> 00:10:33,266 because he's got this bullet wound 185 00:10:33,266 --> 00:10:34,600 in his throat, 186 00:10:34,667 --> 00:10:37,100 and it damaged his vocal chords. 187 00:10:37,166 --> 00:10:39,500 So, we had a very accomplished artist, 188 00:10:39,567 --> 00:10:41,800 and he starts with the composite, 189 00:10:41,867 --> 00:10:47,367 but he makes it more realistic so it's almost more like a portrait. 190 00:10:47,367 --> 00:10:50,266 And we're showing it to Steve, who's in the bed, and he goes... 191 00:10:51,667 --> 00:10:53,467 Starts slapping with the back of his hand, 192 00:10:53,467 --> 00:10:53,491 and he goes, "That's it, that's it." 193 00:10:53,491 --> 00:10:55,100 and he goes, "That's it, that's it." 194 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:57,500 He's saying this is the guy, 195 00:10:57,567 --> 00:10:59,000 and that's the one that we put out. 196 00:11:02,467 --> 00:11:05,567 [Fritz] It's a day of tragedy. 197 00:11:05,567 --> 00:11:11,767 It's still difficult, and just really hard to understand why. 198 00:11:15,266 --> 00:11:21,000 I was aware that they thought that they had a serial killer in the parks 199 00:11:21,567 --> 00:11:23,491 in Marin County. 200 00:11:23,491 --> 00:11:23,867 in Marin County. 201 00:11:23,867 --> 00:11:27,066 [Det. Sgt. Brook] But the description that was put out by Marin 202 00:11:27,066 --> 00:11:30,867 did not match the one of the guy that we were getting, 203 00:11:30,867 --> 00:11:34,300 so we didn't know if we had two people doing these same cases 204 00:11:34,367 --> 00:11:37,367 or was the same guy and a bad description. 205 00:11:37,367 --> 00:11:41,867 Marin's or theirs, we had no idea at that point. 206 00:11:41,867 --> 00:11:45,100 And so, it was not until we compared the ballistics 207 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:49,266 for the bullets removed from Ellen and Steven, 208 00:11:49,266 --> 00:11:50,867 that we were able to match those up 209 00:11:50,867 --> 00:11:53,200 with the ballistics from the bullets 210 00:11:53,266 --> 00:11:53,491 recovered from the shootings in Marin. 211 00:11:53,491 --> 00:11:57,000 recovered from the shootings in Marin. 212 00:11:57,066 --> 00:11:59,166 [Lt. Besse] Suddenly, we knew we had a serial murder case 213 00:11:59,166 --> 00:12:01,166 that was going over two counties. 214 00:12:01,166 --> 00:12:04,000 [reporter] All the crimes are thought to be the work of a psychotic killer 215 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,567 whose composite sketch was widely publicized. 216 00:12:07,567 --> 00:12:10,467 That's when we knew we were looking for the same person. 217 00:12:21,967 --> 00:12:23,491 [Wood] I didn't learn about David Carpenter's sex drive until he told me about it 218 00:12:23,491 --> 00:12:27,100 [Wood] I didn't learn about David Carpenter's sex drive until he told me about it 219 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:29,166 when he met his girlfriend, Candy. 220 00:12:29,166 --> 00:12:31,367 And, you know, I mean, 221 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:33,467 this is not something 222 00:12:33,467 --> 00:12:35,600 you typically talk about with people. 223 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,300 He had met Candy, and I remember him coming into my office, 224 00:12:41,367 --> 00:12:46,900 and just busting out about how he had met this woman, 225 00:12:46,967 --> 00:12:52,767 and he was madly in love, and that her sex drive was as strong as his. 226 00:12:53,667 --> 00:12:56,467 He had never met anybody like her. 227 00:13:00,667 --> 00:13:04,166 [Det. Sgt. Brook] He met her after going to his parole officer's office. 228 00:13:05,567 --> 00:13:09,567 Candy was sitting on the curb by her car. 229 00:13:09,567 --> 00:13:12,867 The car had stopped running, and she didn't have any money or anything. 230 00:13:14,166 --> 00:13:16,567 So, he saw her and started chatting with her. 231 00:13:17,667 --> 00:13:19,300 [Det. Sgt. Womack] They tow her car, 232 00:13:19,367 --> 00:13:22,667 and he takes her for a ride to the parking lot 233 00:13:22,667 --> 00:13:23,491 at Mount Tamalpais. 234 00:13:23,491 --> 00:13:24,166 at Mount Tamalpais. 235 00:13:25,767 --> 00:13:28,767 Oh, lady, you don't have a clue. 236 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,266 [Det. Henard] This guy had a heck of an appetite for sex, 237 00:13:35,266 --> 00:13:37,900 and it just so happened that Candy gave in to him. 238 00:13:39,667 --> 00:13:43,467 [Det. Sgt. Womack] Next thing, they're having sex in the backseat in the car. 239 00:13:43,467 --> 00:13:46,000 [Det. Henard] I firmly believe sex is what saved Candy. 240 00:13:49,066 --> 00:13:50,166 [Det. Sgt. Womack] Few hours later, 241 00:13:50,166 --> 00:13:52,567 he's inviting her to come live with him. 242 00:13:52,567 --> 00:13:53,491 [chuckling] I guess he fell in love with her 243 00:13:53,491 --> 00:13:55,266 [chuckling] I guess he fell in love with her 244 00:13:55,266 --> 00:13:57,667 because he ends up taking her home. 245 00:13:57,667 --> 00:14:00,767 And she found a job bartending. 246 00:14:00,767 --> 00:14:01,767 Before you know it, 247 00:14:01,767 --> 00:14:03,266 she's his fiancee. 248 00:14:04,166 --> 00:14:05,600 Whoa, that was fast. 249 00:14:05,667 --> 00:14:07,567 Very strange relationship. 250 00:14:10,066 --> 00:14:12,900 David would offer to help people even if they didn't want help. 251 00:14:13,567 --> 00:14:16,467 He wanted them to owe him. 252 00:14:16,467 --> 00:14:18,000 [Keraghosian] He knew exactly what to say. 253 00:14:18,066 --> 00:14:19,200 He knew exactly how to get people 254 00:14:19,266 --> 00:14:20,767 in the positions that he wanted 255 00:14:20,767 --> 00:14:21,734 in order to kill them. 256 00:14:36,367 --> 00:14:37,867 [Graysmith] Carpenter had switched jobs, 257 00:14:39,066 --> 00:14:41,166 and he's going to Econo Quick Print... 258 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:44,700 Where he is excelling. 259 00:14:44,767 --> 00:14:46,367 [Wood] I remember writing them a letter 260 00:14:46,367 --> 00:14:48,600 in which, basically, was a warning 261 00:14:48,667 --> 00:14:53,000 that this guy should not be around women 262 00:14:53,066 --> 00:14:55,367 because of his assaultive behavior in the past. 263 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:58,667 It was certainly something that I was concerned about. 264 00:15:06,467 --> 00:15:08,767 [Det. Sgt. Womack] Heather Scaggs was a young lady 265 00:15:08,767 --> 00:15:11,600 who was living in San Jose. 266 00:15:11,667 --> 00:15:13,967 [Det. Robinson] She was very interested in graphic design, 267 00:15:13,967 --> 00:15:17,900 and she hooked up with a print school, 268 00:15:17,967 --> 00:15:22,200 and next door to the school was a quick print operation, 269 00:15:22,266 --> 00:15:25,100 and so, as she was attending school, 270 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:29,367 she would work at the quick print shop. 271 00:15:29,367 --> 00:15:31,954 [Det. Sgt. Womack] She commuted up to the trade school. 272 00:15:31,954 --> 00:15:32,066 [Det. Sgt. Womack] She commuted up to the trade school. 273 00:15:32,066 --> 00:15:35,367 She had a little Volkswagen, and at some point it quit working, 274 00:15:35,367 --> 00:15:37,567 and so she wanted to get another one. 275 00:15:37,567 --> 00:15:40,700 And this male co-worker that she had, 276 00:15:40,767 --> 00:15:45,767 he had a contact in Santa Cruz County that had a used Volkswagen, 277 00:15:45,767 --> 00:15:48,166 much newer than the one she had, 278 00:15:48,166 --> 00:15:50,467 and she could buy that Volkswagen. 279 00:15:50,467 --> 00:15:52,500 And then he sweetened the pot a little bit 280 00:15:52,567 --> 00:15:54,767 with, "If you don't have all the money, 281 00:15:54,767 --> 00:15:56,600 I'll loan you the rest of the money, 282 00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:58,133 and you can pay me back monthly." 283 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:01,954 [Det. Robinson] She was pretty desperate to get transportation 284 00:16:01,954 --> 00:16:02,100 [Det. Robinson] She was pretty desperate to get transportation 285 00:16:02,166 --> 00:16:04,300 to make her life a little easier. 286 00:16:04,367 --> 00:16:06,767 Said she was working and going to school at the same time. 287 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:11,967 The co-worker did not want Heather to tell anybody 288 00:16:11,967 --> 00:16:15,600 what they were doing and where they were going. 289 00:16:15,667 --> 00:16:18,967 Apparently, Heather had said to her boyfriend, 290 00:16:18,967 --> 00:16:21,567 "I'm kind of apprehensive, but I'm gonna be okay. 291 00:16:21,567 --> 00:16:24,667 I'm gonna take a steak knife and I'm gonna keep it in my purse." 292 00:16:24,667 --> 00:16:31,567 And she also said that the co-worker wanted them to stop in the Redwoods 293 00:16:31,567 --> 00:16:31,954 and find a fern for a gift for this individual, 294 00:16:31,954 --> 00:16:36,000 and find a fern for a gift for this individual, 295 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,300 kind of soften him up to see what kind of good deal she could get from him. 296 00:16:40,367 --> 00:16:43,767 So, she said, "If you don't hear from me by 7 o'clock, 297 00:16:43,767 --> 00:16:44,867 call the police." 298 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,100 Out of abundance of caution and concern, 299 00:16:48,166 --> 00:16:53,000 she left that name, and address, and phone number with her boyfriend. 300 00:16:53,066 --> 00:16:57,400 The co-worker was a gentleman by the name of David Carpenter. 301 00:16:57,467 --> 00:17:01,954 She had told her boyfriend that the co-worker was gonna pick her up, 302 00:17:01,954 --> 00:17:02,367 She had told her boyfriend that the co-worker was gonna pick her up, 303 00:17:02,367 --> 00:17:04,367 at 7 o'clock in the morning, 304 00:17:04,367 --> 00:17:08,900 a block away from her apartment at the convenience store. 305 00:17:08,967 --> 00:17:13,567 And, as far as we know, the clerk was the last person to have saw her that day. 306 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,066 She had reservations about going 307 00:17:22,066 --> 00:17:24,400 because of the way this guy acted. 308 00:17:24,467 --> 00:17:26,900 I don't know why she went. 309 00:17:26,967 --> 00:17:31,000 When Heather didn't come back, the bells started going off. 310 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:31,954 [Det. Sgt. Womack] Her boyfriend, Dan, and his next door neighbor 311 00:17:31,954 --> 00:17:34,266 [Det. Sgt. Womack] Her boyfriend, Dan, and his next door neighbor 312 00:17:34,266 --> 00:17:37,767 called the phone number that Heather had provided, 313 00:17:37,767 --> 00:17:40,667 and they ended up talking to David's mother. 314 00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:44,000 [Det. Robinson] David wasn't home. He was at the ballet. 315 00:17:44,066 --> 00:17:47,867 As far as his being with Heather that day, 316 00:17:47,867 --> 00:17:51,200 the mother had no information about that. 317 00:17:51,266 --> 00:17:54,266 She said, however, that David did leave the house 318 00:17:54,266 --> 00:18:00,066 between 5AM and 5:30 that morning to go to work. 319 00:18:00,066 --> 00:18:01,954 Dan and his next door neighbor ended up driving to San Francisco. 320 00:18:01,954 --> 00:18:04,467 Dan and his next door neighbor ended up driving to San Francisco. 321 00:18:04,467 --> 00:18:08,166 [Det. Robinson] They waited until David did finally arrive at home, 322 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:11,100 and they challenged him. 323 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:13,800 "Hey, where is Heather? What happened to her?" 324 00:18:15,867 --> 00:18:17,900 Of course, David's response was, 325 00:18:17,967 --> 00:18:21,000 "Nah, I didn't wake in time and I wasn't feeling well, 326 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,567 so I haven't seen Heather since yesterday." 327 00:18:24,567 --> 00:18:29,000 [Det. Robinson] David told the boys that he didn't even leave his house 328 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,800 until approximately 11:00 that morning, 329 00:18:31,867 --> 00:18:31,954 and that it was to go to work and fix his car. 330 00:18:31,954 --> 00:18:34,400 and that it was to go to work and fix his car. 331 00:18:34,467 --> 00:18:37,100 Carpenter didn't know that they'd talked to mom. 332 00:18:37,166 --> 00:18:40,000 Of course, then they came home and called the police. 333 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:46,300 We went to the workplace, and we talked to the two owners, 334 00:18:46,367 --> 00:18:49,266 and we learned as much as we could about Heather 335 00:18:49,266 --> 00:18:52,400 and who she got to associate with there. 336 00:18:52,467 --> 00:18:54,467 And when we get to David it's like, 337 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:59,166 "Hmm, this is interesting. Really?" 338 00:18:59,166 --> 00:19:01,954 [Det. Robinson] He was a unique character, a very affable person. 339 00:19:01,954 --> 00:19:04,667 [Det. Robinson] He was a unique character, a very affable person. 340 00:19:04,667 --> 00:19:07,166 He got along well with everybody, pretty much, 341 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,367 and he had a stutter. 342 00:19:10,367 --> 00:19:13,767 He seemed to be overly attentive to Heather. 343 00:19:13,767 --> 00:19:20,000 According to some co-workers, Carpenter tried to become a father figure to her, 344 00:19:20,066 --> 00:19:25,200 and we were later to find out that Carpenter was a parolee. 345 00:19:25,266 --> 00:19:28,066 Now we are a little more concerned. 346 00:19:28,066 --> 00:19:30,900 I mean, this is not your average co-worker. 347 00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:37,100 [Det. Robinson] Before we left the trade school, 348 00:19:37,166 --> 00:19:39,166 we went out to the parking lot. 349 00:19:39,166 --> 00:19:45,467 Off in the corner, behind some other cars, was this dusty red Fiat. 350 00:19:45,467 --> 00:19:49,166 [Det. Sgt. Womack] I walk by that car and go, "Whose car is that?" 351 00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:52,066 "Oh, that's David's car." 352 00:19:52,066 --> 00:19:54,467 [Det. Robinson] We asked the employers, 353 00:19:54,467 --> 00:19:56,467 and they said, "Well, he's got two cars. 354 00:19:56,467 --> 00:20:00,567 He's got a green Chevy '69 Nomad, 355 00:20:00,567 --> 00:20:01,954 and he has a little red Fiat." 356 00:20:01,954 --> 00:20:02,667 and he has a little red Fiat." 357 00:20:03,467 --> 00:20:06,200 Hmm, this is curious, 358 00:20:06,266 --> 00:20:08,000 because it matched the description 359 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,000 that was put out on the law enforcement information bulletin 360 00:20:12,066 --> 00:20:17,700 of a dirty red compact car that has a square, rectangular back end 361 00:20:17,767 --> 00:20:21,467 and a bent down tailpipe on the right side. 362 00:20:21,467 --> 00:20:23,166 So, I photographed it. 363 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:28,300 [Det. Robinson] Heather's mother, Mary, mentioned Heather had a habit 364 00:20:28,367 --> 00:20:31,954 of carrying lots of green tissue, Kleenex, with her all the time, 365 00:20:31,954 --> 00:20:33,266 of carrying lots of green tissue, Kleenex, with her all the time, 366 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:38,567 which was interesting in that on the seat was some green tissues, 367 00:20:38,567 --> 00:20:40,500 and then more green tissues on the floor. 368 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:45,867 We felt we needed now to talk to David 369 00:20:45,867 --> 00:20:49,500 and find out what he could tell us. 370 00:20:49,567 --> 00:20:52,300 [Det. Sgt. Womack] I contacted David's parole officer 371 00:20:52,367 --> 00:20:55,166 and said, "We'd like to do this interview." 372 00:20:55,166 --> 00:20:59,066 And he said, "Oh, David would prefer to meet in my office, 373 00:20:59,066 --> 00:21:01,667 and he's more than willing to help you 374 00:21:01,667 --> 00:21:01,954 in any way he can." 375 00:21:01,954 --> 00:21:03,333 in any way he can." 376 00:21:05,166 --> 00:21:09,567 [Wood] He wasn't this milk toast kind of guy that I saw all the time. 377 00:21:09,567 --> 00:21:12,667 He was, I thought, in his element. 378 00:21:12,667 --> 00:21:14,100 He was enjoying this. 379 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:33,967 Welcome back to Very Scary People. 380 00:21:33,967 --> 00:21:38,367 20-year-old Heather Scaggs went missing on May 2nd, 1981. 381 00:21:38,367 --> 00:21:39,967 She was supposed to meet a co-worker 382 00:21:39,967 --> 00:21:41,867 named David Carpenter that day, 383 00:21:41,867 --> 00:21:45,767 and drive to Santa Cruz to buy a used car from his friend. 384 00:21:45,767 --> 00:21:47,467 Heather was apprehensive about the trip, 385 00:21:47,467 --> 00:21:49,667 but she decided to go anyway. 386 00:21:49,667 --> 00:21:54,491 Investigators decided to meet with Carpenter to question him about Heather. 387 00:21:54,491 --> 00:21:54,667 Investigators decided to meet with Carpenter to question him about Heather. 388 00:21:54,667 --> 00:21:57,667 Turned out to be a meeting no one would forget. 389 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,066 [reporter] At a stop-and-shop market in San Jose, 390 00:22:01,066 --> 00:22:04,166 the place at which Heather Scaggs last was seen alive, 391 00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:06,567 her picture this afternoon was posted on the window. 392 00:22:17,667 --> 00:22:20,400 [Wood] David walked in my office, 393 00:22:20,467 --> 00:22:23,767 and he's grown a beard, and he wasn't wearing glasses, 394 00:22:23,767 --> 00:22:24,491 So he was altering his appearance. 395 00:22:24,491 --> 00:22:27,166 So he was altering his appearance. 396 00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:30,567 The bells and whistles were going off at that point. 397 00:22:30,567 --> 00:22:34,667 My first impression was that he was very pleasant, 398 00:22:34,667 --> 00:22:37,266 eager to be there for us. 399 00:22:37,266 --> 00:22:40,467 Kind of a out-of-shape, middle aged, balding, 400 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,700 well-dressed, well-groomed person. 401 00:22:43,767 --> 00:22:46,500 But I hadn't heard him speak at that point. 402 00:22:46,567 --> 00:22:50,567 My partner asked him the first question, 403 00:22:50,567 --> 00:22:54,066 and I couldn't believe what happened. 404 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,266 He started to contort his body, 405 00:22:57,367 --> 00:22:59,266 he twisted his neck, and was looking upward, 406 00:22:59,266 --> 00:23:03,100 and he was struggling to speak. 407 00:23:03,166 --> 00:23:06,467 And I thought, "My gosh, this guy is having a seizure." 408 00:23:06,467 --> 00:23:08,500 It was a lot more than just a mild stutter. 409 00:23:08,567 --> 00:23:12,100 A lot of noises before he could get a word out, 410 00:23:12,166 --> 00:23:15,700 and clearly, the situation was distressing to him. 411 00:23:17,367 --> 00:23:18,467 [Det. Robinson] We continued on, 412 00:23:18,467 --> 00:23:20,467 and I was kind of getting skeptical 413 00:23:20,467 --> 00:23:24,491 that this man could be a harmful individual 414 00:23:24,491 --> 00:23:25,266 that this man could be a harmful individual 415 00:23:25,266 --> 00:23:28,000 because of the way he was struggling and behaving. 416 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,667 Kind of a meek, mild, harmless guy. 417 00:23:30,667 --> 00:23:34,367 How would he be able to give commands 418 00:23:34,367 --> 00:23:38,600 if he was facing Ellen and Steven Haertle? 419 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:40,166 Steven, an excellent witness, 420 00:23:40,166 --> 00:23:44,166 said this man had no speech impediments, no lisps. 421 00:23:44,166 --> 00:23:46,967 [Wood] I don't believe they ever talked about 422 00:23:46,967 --> 00:23:49,667 the murders in Santa Cruz County or Marin County. 423 00:23:49,667 --> 00:23:54,491 This was solely focused on Heather Scaggs. 424 00:23:54,491 --> 00:23:54,767 This was solely focused on Heather Scaggs. 425 00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:57,700 [Det. Sgt. Womack] He admitted that he had made arrangements to pick her up 426 00:23:57,767 --> 00:24:01,667 and take her to Santa Cruz to see about buying a car. 427 00:24:01,667 --> 00:24:04,400 And then he said he just didn't make it. 428 00:24:04,467 --> 00:24:07,166 The arrangement he had made with Heather was to pick her up at 7:00, 429 00:24:07,166 --> 00:24:09,667 and if he wasn't there by 8:00 it was off 430 00:24:09,667 --> 00:24:11,200 and they'd do it another time. 431 00:24:11,266 --> 00:24:13,100 [Det. Robinson] He said, "My car broke down." 432 00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:16,700 Then, he pulled out a receipt for an auto repair 433 00:24:16,767 --> 00:24:19,567 for his 1969 Chevy station wagon. 434 00:24:19,567 --> 00:24:23,000 I said, "Do you have access to any other vehicles?" 435 00:24:23,066 --> 00:24:24,491 And he said, "No, no, that's my only car. I don't have any other car." 436 00:24:24,491 --> 00:24:27,467 And he said, "No, no, that's my only car. I don't have any other car." 437 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,066 And I didn't challenge him on it, 438 00:24:31,066 --> 00:24:35,367 but it was very significant that he didn't want me to know about the red Fiat. 439 00:24:35,367 --> 00:24:38,066 [Wood] He was a driving a car that nobody knew about. 440 00:24:38,066 --> 00:24:39,300 I don't know about it. 441 00:24:39,367 --> 00:24:41,667 [Det. Robinson] But this interview went for 442 00:24:41,667 --> 00:24:43,867 probably an hour-and-a-half, 443 00:24:43,867 --> 00:24:48,200 and during that time these flags kept flying. 444 00:24:48,266 --> 00:24:51,166 He was, I thought, in his element. 445 00:24:51,166 --> 00:24:53,667 He was enjoying the verbal fencing. 446 00:24:53,667 --> 00:24:54,491 I saw a really assertive, almost powerful guy 447 00:24:54,491 --> 00:24:58,000 I saw a really assertive, almost powerful guy 448 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,200 that I've never seen before. 449 00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:02,066 [Det. Robinson] And one of the significant things 450 00:25:02,066 --> 00:25:05,567 was he says, "I'm a parolee. 451 00:25:05,567 --> 00:25:08,266 I should be your number one suspect. 452 00:25:08,266 --> 00:25:12,367 The reason I'm a parolee is because of my mother. 453 00:25:12,367 --> 00:25:15,300 She was very domineering with me, 454 00:25:15,367 --> 00:25:20,300 and my mom made me take ballet lessons, 455 00:25:20,367 --> 00:25:22,967 and I didn't want to take ballet lessons." 456 00:25:22,967 --> 00:25:24,491 So I said, "Well, David, you know, 457 00:25:24,491 --> 00:25:26,467 So I said, "Well, David, you know, 458 00:25:26,467 --> 00:25:30,467 when I was nine-years-old my mom did the same thing to me. 459 00:25:30,467 --> 00:25:34,967 I had to take ballet lessons, and you know what, I resented it too." 460 00:25:34,967 --> 00:25:36,700 [chuckling] And he looked at me 461 00:25:36,767 --> 00:25:38,667 and he said, "Let me show you." 462 00:25:38,667 --> 00:25:44,100 And he got up, and he started demonstrating, doing plies and pirouettes. 463 00:25:45,467 --> 00:25:47,066 [Det. Sgt. Womack] I'm sitting there, watching this happen, 464 00:25:47,066 --> 00:25:49,266 and going, "I don't believe it." 465 00:25:49,266 --> 00:25:52,900 [Det. Robinson] And the whole time that he was doing this, 466 00:25:52,967 --> 00:25:54,491 we ceded control of that interview to him. 467 00:25:54,491 --> 00:25:56,166 we ceded control of that interview to him. 468 00:25:56,967 --> 00:25:59,767 He never stuttered one time. 469 00:25:59,767 --> 00:26:05,367 Is this the same guy that an hour-and-a-half ago could hardly get a word out? 470 00:26:05,367 --> 00:26:08,000 The transformation was amazing. 471 00:26:08,066 --> 00:26:10,166 [Det. Robinson] He carried this on for several minutes. 472 00:26:10,166 --> 00:26:15,567 While he is expressing these angers and frustrations, 473 00:26:15,567 --> 00:26:20,800 it's occurring to me that this man has a grudge against his mom, 474 00:26:20,867 --> 00:26:23,467 and it probably explains the hostility that, 475 00:26:23,467 --> 00:26:24,491 if he was a sexual predator, he hates women. 476 00:26:24,491 --> 00:26:28,266 if he was a sexual predator, he hates women. 477 00:26:28,266 --> 00:26:31,667 And when he sat down he started stuttering again. 478 00:26:32,266 --> 00:26:33,634 It was dramatic. 479 00:26:34,767 --> 00:26:36,767 [Det. Sgt. Womack] We were shutting down the interview, 480 00:26:36,767 --> 00:26:39,066 we were getting ready to leave, 481 00:26:39,066 --> 00:26:41,266 and he looked at me directly and said, 482 00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:44,066 "I pray to God no one finds her body 483 00:26:44,066 --> 00:26:45,767 and finds that she's been raped." 484 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,200 And we had never discussed a homicide, 485 00:26:50,266 --> 00:26:52,266 we had never discussed a rape, 486 00:26:52,266 --> 00:26:54,367 we had never even discussed a crime. 487 00:26:54,367 --> 00:26:54,491 That was speaking volumes to us. 488 00:26:54,491 --> 00:26:56,300 That was speaking volumes to us. 489 00:26:56,367 --> 00:26:59,100 [Det. Womack] At that point, I know. 490 00:27:00,767 --> 00:27:04,200 I can't prove it yet but I know. 491 00:27:04,266 --> 00:27:05,767 [Det. Robinson] When we finished that interview, 492 00:27:05,767 --> 00:27:07,266 I really believed Heather was dead. 493 00:27:11,066 --> 00:27:15,367 The next thing that went off in my mind was, 494 00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:19,600 "We just let a killer walk out of this office, 495 00:27:19,667 --> 00:27:21,200 and it's the weekend." 496 00:27:21,266 --> 00:27:24,100 That's when The Trailside Killer 497 00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:24,491 -usually killed his victims. -[gunshot] 498 00:27:24,491 --> 00:27:26,767 -usually killed his victims. -[gunshot] 499 00:27:27,467 --> 00:27:29,066 It was a big enough concern, 500 00:27:29,066 --> 00:27:33,600 that we contacted both Santa Cruz County and Marin County 501 00:27:33,667 --> 00:27:36,667 that very evening and said, 502 00:27:36,667 --> 00:27:39,500 "We have information on the suspect that you need to know, 503 00:27:39,567 --> 00:27:42,600 because," we said, "he's quite possibly The Trailside killer." 504 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,266 When San Jose 505 00:27:58,266 --> 00:28:00,066 had that missing persons report, 506 00:28:00,066 --> 00:28:04,100 those two officers went and saw the car in the parking lot, 507 00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:09,266 and put those together, took the pictures, that was it. 508 00:28:09,266 --> 00:28:10,800 We knew that we had the guy, 509 00:28:10,867 --> 00:28:13,266 but we knew we need more evidence. 510 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,400 We started the surveillance on Saturday, May 9th. 511 00:28:20,467 --> 00:28:24,547 The FBI had an airplane over the sky every daylight hour. 512 00:28:24,547 --> 00:28:25,000 The FBI had an airplane over the sky every daylight hour. 513 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,567 They had vans following him. 514 00:28:28,567 --> 00:28:32,100 I got reports daily, sometimes more than once a day 515 00:28:32,166 --> 00:28:34,266 of what he was doing, where he was. 516 00:28:34,266 --> 00:28:36,266 It was getting toward the weekend, 517 00:28:36,266 --> 00:28:38,867 and they were concerned that he could kill somebody else. 518 00:28:38,867 --> 00:28:41,600 And so that's how that whole week got started. 519 00:28:41,667 --> 00:28:43,600 It came together in warp speed. 520 00:28:43,667 --> 00:28:45,266 I've never seen anything quite like that. 521 00:28:45,266 --> 00:28:48,467 We went out and interviewed David's parents, 522 00:28:49,166 --> 00:28:50,667 and that interview confirmed 523 00:28:50,667 --> 00:28:52,900 he was, uh, living with a woman 524 00:28:52,967 --> 00:28:54,233 by the name of Candy. 525 00:28:54,233 --> 00:28:54,547 She was a part-time bartender in the San Francisco area. 526 00:28:54,547 --> 00:28:58,000 She was a part-time bartender in the San Francisco area. 527 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,367 She'd already moved out, 528 00:28:59,367 --> 00:29:02,066 she left in April of that year. 529 00:29:02,066 --> 00:29:04,567 [Kenn Womack] I get a hold of Stoney, we sit down with Candy, 530 00:29:05,266 --> 00:29:07,166 and was that an interview. 531 00:29:07,166 --> 00:29:08,467 Wow. 532 00:29:08,467 --> 00:29:11,166 [Stoney Brook] Candy was, uh, 533 00:29:11,166 --> 00:29:14,000 a free spirit, I think I'll use that term. 534 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,000 [Womack] We talked to her about her relationship with David, 535 00:29:17,066 --> 00:29:19,500 and, um, was he ever aggressive or violent, 536 00:29:19,567 --> 00:29:22,500 and she only had one occasion where he got a little bit aggressive, 537 00:29:22,567 --> 00:29:24,547 and she got in his face right away, 538 00:29:24,547 --> 00:29:24,967 and she got in his face right away, 539 00:29:24,967 --> 00:29:26,133 and he backed right off. 540 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,367 I said to her, "Did you ever give him a present?" 541 00:29:30,367 --> 00:29:32,767 And she was, "No, I never gave him a present," 542 00:29:32,767 --> 00:29:35,667 but she says, "He took something of mine. 543 00:29:35,667 --> 00:29:37,700 It was this yellow jacket that said 544 00:29:37,767 --> 00:29:41,800 'Olympic beer drinking team', uh, 'Billings, Montana'. 545 00:29:41,867 --> 00:29:44,000 It was a little large for me, so he just took it. 546 00:29:44,066 --> 00:29:47,500 My boss who owned the bar, he ordered 12 of 'em." 547 00:29:47,567 --> 00:29:49,867 And then I said, "Whatever happened to that jacket?" 548 00:29:49,867 --> 00:29:53,066 And she said, "Oh, David told me it was stolen out of his car," 549 00:29:53,066 --> 00:29:54,547 and Stoney and I are smiling at each other, going, 550 00:29:54,547 --> 00:29:55,500 and Stoney and I are smiling at each other, going, 551 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,166 "Got it! 552 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,333 Got it!" 553 00:29:59,367 --> 00:30:02,000 [Brook] That was the connector to put him at the crime scene 554 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,800 wearing something unique that was golden, 555 00:30:04,867 --> 00:30:06,166 no pun intended. 556 00:30:06,166 --> 00:30:07,867 Now we have our case. 557 00:30:07,867 --> 00:30:09,867 Authorities in Northern California 558 00:30:09,867 --> 00:30:11,967 have arrested a suspect in the so called 559 00:30:11,967 --> 00:30:13,667 "Trailside murder cases". 560 00:30:13,667 --> 00:30:16,367 David J. Carpenter has been charged with one murder, 561 00:30:16,367 --> 00:30:18,166 and he may soon be charged with more. 562 00:30:18,166 --> 00:30:19,800 There was no resistance. 563 00:30:19,867 --> 00:30:22,266 It was almost like he expected, sooner or later, 564 00:30:22,266 --> 00:30:24,166 they were gonna be knocking on his door. 565 00:30:24,166 --> 00:30:24,547 [reporter] The arrest warrant charges Carpenter 566 00:30:24,547 --> 00:30:26,266 [reporter] The arrest warrant charges Carpenter 567 00:30:26,266 --> 00:30:28,000 with the March 29th shooting murder 568 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,967 of 20-year-old Ellen Hansen, 569 00:30:29,967 --> 00:30:31,967 and the attempted murder of her companion, 570 00:30:31,967 --> 00:30:33,166 Steven Haertle. 571 00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:37,166 [Walt Robinson] When we had arrested David, 572 00:30:37,867 --> 00:30:39,600 a line-up was done. 573 00:30:39,667 --> 00:30:41,767 Steven keyed in on him right away. 574 00:30:41,767 --> 00:30:45,100 "That's the man right there. That's the guy." 575 00:30:45,166 --> 00:30:47,867 [reporter] Sheriff Howenstein describes the mood of the department 576 00:30:47,867 --> 00:30:49,667 as one of elation, 577 00:30:49,667 --> 00:30:52,600 and now there is hope that the mystery behind this string of murders 578 00:30:52,667 --> 00:30:54,547 that has terrified and shocked the community 579 00:30:54,547 --> 00:30:54,800 that has terrified and shocked the community 580 00:30:54,867 --> 00:30:56,100 has finally been solved. 581 00:30:56,166 --> 00:30:58,600 We were on the search warrant team... 582 00:31:00,066 --> 00:31:02,100 ...that went to Carpenter's house. 583 00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:03,500 There was tons of maps. 584 00:31:03,567 --> 00:31:06,967 Marin, Tamalpais, Santa Cruz. 585 00:31:06,967 --> 00:31:09,266 Well, we didn't find the things we were looking for, 586 00:31:09,266 --> 00:31:11,166 the jacket and the firearms. 587 00:31:11,166 --> 00:31:14,767 I think that when he figured the noose was getting tighter, 588 00:31:14,767 --> 00:31:16,066 he started getting rid of the stuff. 589 00:31:16,066 --> 00:31:17,467 Where was this .38? 590 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,500 Will we ever see that gun now? 591 00:31:20,567 --> 00:31:21,767 Where is it? 592 00:31:21,767 --> 00:31:24,066 [Womack] It wasn't an impossible hurdle, 593 00:31:24,066 --> 00:31:24,547 but it certainly was a handicap. 594 00:31:24,547 --> 00:31:26,567 but it certainly was a handicap. 595 00:31:28,266 --> 00:31:30,367 [reporter] Fifty-one-year-old David Joseph Carpenter 596 00:31:30,367 --> 00:31:32,500 was arraigned in Santa Cruz, California. 597 00:31:32,567 --> 00:31:34,867 The printer, who has a long criminal-record, 598 00:31:34,867 --> 00:31:38,000 suffers from a crippling stutter, which was painfully apparent. 599 00:31:38,066 --> 00:31:40,266 [judge] David Joseph Carpenter is your true name? 600 00:31:40,266 --> 00:31:43,100 [David Carpenter stuttering] 601 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:45,800 ...correct. 602 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,367 Nine days after David Carpenter was arrested, 603 00:31:54,367 --> 00:31:54,547 Heather Scaggs' body was finally found. 604 00:31:54,547 --> 00:31:56,967 Heather Scaggs' body was finally found. 605 00:31:56,967 --> 00:32:00,467 [Robinson] Heather was found by two hikers 606 00:32:00,467 --> 00:32:03,667 in the Big Basin State Park. 607 00:32:03,667 --> 00:32:05,667 [Esther Ludlow] Her body was badly decomposed. 608 00:32:05,667 --> 00:32:07,900 She had been shot with a .38-caliber weapon. 609 00:32:07,967 --> 00:32:11,166 She was found raped and with a gunshot to her face. 610 00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:15,967 [Robinson] Carpenter got her to do what he wanted. 611 00:32:15,967 --> 00:32:18,500 Heather didn't want to go to the mountains to get a fern, 612 00:32:18,567 --> 00:32:21,100 she just wanted to go to Santa Cruz, get a car, and come home. 613 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:24,500 I wish there was a way to see 614 00:32:24,567 --> 00:32:27,900 what was going through Heather's mind 615 00:32:27,967 --> 00:32:30,767 when she got out of the car to look for the fern. 616 00:32:30,767 --> 00:32:35,266 Is she noticing that there are no ferns anywhere in that area? 617 00:32:35,266 --> 00:32:39,500 Was she thinking, "Uh-oh, this is not going the way I thought it would?" 618 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:45,166 [gunshot] 619 00:32:45,166 --> 00:32:49,100 [Brook] To this day, I hike extensively in these mountains. 620 00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,967 I cannot see a fern without thinking of that young woman. 621 00:33:07,166 --> 00:33:09,367 [Donald Besse] Shane Williams robs a bank, 622 00:33:10,166 --> 00:33:11,200 and gets caught. 623 00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:15,266 So, now that, uh, he's in federal custody, 624 00:33:15,266 --> 00:33:17,900 and he wants to see if he can get his break. 625 00:33:17,967 --> 00:33:20,000 [Womack] He says, "Tell you what, guys, 626 00:33:20,066 --> 00:33:21,667 let's play, and let's make a deal." 627 00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:24,547 So, he tells them that he knows where the gun is 628 00:33:24,547 --> 00:33:25,867 So, he tells them that he knows where the gun is 629 00:33:25,867 --> 00:33:28,066 that the Trailside Killer used. 630 00:33:28,066 --> 00:33:30,900 [Besse] Shane said that Carpenter volunteered 631 00:33:30,967 --> 00:33:32,867 to loan him a gun for a bank robbery. 632 00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:34,900 so, Shane took him up on it. 633 00:33:34,967 --> 00:33:37,367 [Robert Graysmith] David Carpenter's plan is, 634 00:33:37,367 --> 00:33:39,000 "Go rob a bank, 635 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,667 you'll be shot and killed or you'll be arrested, 636 00:33:41,667 --> 00:33:43,767 and there's the murder weapon, 637 00:33:43,767 --> 00:33:46,066 and you're the Trailside Killer." 638 00:33:46,066 --> 00:33:47,367 He's not a dumb person. 639 00:33:48,166 --> 00:33:49,900 Pretty wily. 640 00:33:49,967 --> 00:33:52,266 [Womack] And then he realizes he's been set up. 641 00:33:53,467 --> 00:33:54,547 And he takes that gun, and he goes and hides it. 642 00:33:54,547 --> 00:33:55,667 And he takes that gun, and he goes and hides it. 643 00:33:55,667 --> 00:33:57,767 [Besse] So, Shane tells me where the gun is, 644 00:33:58,367 --> 00:33:59,800 exactly where it is. 645 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,367 It was at a lot where a gas station was being torn down, 646 00:34:02,367 --> 00:34:04,266 and he didn't know the address, 647 00:34:04,266 --> 00:34:06,100 but he describes it perfectly, 648 00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:07,800 so, I hustle right over to that area. 649 00:34:08,667 --> 00:34:09,967 I start picking up asphalt, 650 00:34:09,967 --> 00:34:12,567 and there's newspaper in a bundle, 651 00:34:12,567 --> 00:34:14,767 and there's the gun in the newspaper. 652 00:34:14,767 --> 00:34:17,000 [Brook] They sent it over to the lab, 653 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,667 and did the ballistics and they matched. 654 00:34:22,967 --> 00:34:24,547 [Elaine Kendall] It really wasn't the matter of so much of what he said, 655 00:34:24,547 --> 00:34:26,066 [Elaine Kendall] It really wasn't the matter of so much of what he said, 656 00:34:26,066 --> 00:34:27,667 but how he said it. 657 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:34,600 It just made me shudder. 658 00:34:45,567 --> 00:34:46,667 [reporter] In May of '81, 659 00:34:46,667 --> 00:34:49,066 David Joseph Carpenter was arrested and charged 660 00:34:49,066 --> 00:34:51,300 with the murder of two women in Santa Cruz. 661 00:34:51,367 --> 00:34:52,700 Marin County then charged him 662 00:34:52,767 --> 00:34:55,000 with the murder of five more victims. 663 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,200 By the time that case went to trial, 664 00:34:57,266 --> 00:35:00,900 it was, it was pretty much a slam dunk. 665 00:35:00,967 --> 00:35:04,600 [Ludlow] There was two separate trials in two separate venues. 666 00:35:04,667 --> 00:35:06,767 The trials were moved out of the Bay area 667 00:35:06,767 --> 00:35:09,467 because of media publicity. 668 00:35:09,467 --> 00:35:12,567 Ended up costing the tax payer between $3 million and $5 million. 669 00:35:12,567 --> 00:35:14,767 And this was a death-penalty case. 670 00:35:14,767 --> 00:35:15,083 They wanted to be sure they were going to get this man. 671 00:35:15,083 --> 00:35:16,467 They wanted to be sure they were going to get this man. 672 00:35:19,767 --> 00:35:23,767 [Ludlow] In the first trial, his attorney admitted 673 00:35:23,767 --> 00:35:26,000 that Carpenter was guilty. 674 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,467 He knew that there was just too much evidence. 675 00:35:28,467 --> 00:35:30,867 His strategy was just to save him from the death penalty. 676 00:35:30,867 --> 00:35:33,300 [reporter] Haertle calmly described the sequence of events 677 00:35:33,367 --> 00:35:34,900 that preceded the attack. 678 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:38,266 [Ludlow] Steven Haertle was the prosecution's star witness. 679 00:35:38,266 --> 00:35:40,000 [Steven Haertle] I heard two shots... 680 00:35:41,166 --> 00:35:43,800 ...and didn't feel anything. 681 00:35:43,867 --> 00:35:45,083 And then I felt like somebody hit my neck with a sledgehammer. 682 00:35:45,083 --> 00:35:49,000 And then I felt like somebody hit my neck with a sledgehammer. 683 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,667 [Ludlow] Not only was he one of the only living witnesses 684 00:35:51,667 --> 00:35:53,600 who had been up close to the killer, 685 00:35:53,667 --> 00:35:55,700 he was able to give 686 00:35:55,767 --> 00:35:58,200 very disturbing details. 687 00:35:58,266 --> 00:36:01,066 I remember waking up lying on the ground. 688 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,300 [lawyer] What did you see? 689 00:36:04,367 --> 00:36:06,500 [Haertle] Ellen was lying on the ground, 690 00:36:06,567 --> 00:36:09,200 and her head was in a pool of blood. 691 00:36:09,266 --> 00:36:11,000 Steven Haertle who, to this day, 692 00:36:11,066 --> 00:36:13,867 has been living with that horror that he had to experience. 693 00:36:13,867 --> 00:36:15,083 [lawyer] Is the man who you saw here in this courtroom? 694 00:36:15,083 --> 00:36:18,066 [lawyer] Is the man who you saw here in this courtroom? 695 00:36:18,066 --> 00:36:19,367 Yes, he is. 696 00:36:19,367 --> 00:36:23,266 [lawyer] Would you point him out towards all of us. 697 00:36:23,266 --> 00:36:26,000 It's that gentleman sitting right there. 698 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,767 -[lawyer] Are you point-- -[Haertle] In the, in the brown sweater. 699 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,667 In the glasses. 700 00:36:30,667 --> 00:36:34,100 The real nail in the coffin was Steve being able to say, 701 00:36:35,066 --> 00:36:37,367 "He's the one who shot me and shot Ellen." 702 00:36:37,367 --> 00:36:40,700 That's the man. No doubt, no hesitation. 703 00:36:45,667 --> 00:36:47,166 [juror] The sixth day of July 704 00:36:47,166 --> 00:36:49,667 in the above entitled action, find the defendant, 705 00:36:49,667 --> 00:36:52,967 David Joseph Carpenter, guilty of the crime of murder. 706 00:36:52,967 --> 00:36:56,767 I must conclude with... 707 00:36:56,767 --> 00:37:02,500 [indistinct] 708 00:37:02,567 --> 00:37:04,667 [reporter] Mothers of the two Santa Cruz County victims 709 00:37:04,667 --> 00:37:06,266 were happy with the verdict. 710 00:37:06,266 --> 00:37:08,200 I think this is a very fair panel, 711 00:37:08,266 --> 00:37:10,600 I think they've really been serious about it. 712 00:37:10,667 --> 00:37:12,767 I think it was a very good jury. 713 00:37:16,266 --> 00:37:18,266 [reporter] Marin County now are preparing a new trial 714 00:37:18,266 --> 00:37:19,700 for five murders. 715 00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:24,266 [Kendall] After his first trial, when he got to death row, 716 00:37:24,266 --> 00:37:26,467 I picked up the phone and I just called San Quentin. 717 00:37:26,467 --> 00:37:29,700 Elaine Corral snagged the carpenter interview. 718 00:37:29,767 --> 00:37:34,266 [Kendall] He started talking about how he was not given a fair trial, 719 00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:37,100 that he was not the Trailside Killer. 720 00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:39,400 But it was when we got to the words "Killer", 721 00:37:39,467 --> 00:37:43,467 he stuttered with such a pronounced emphasis 722 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,083 that it just made me shudder. 723 00:37:45,083 --> 00:37:46,300 that it just made me shudder. 724 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,200 To think what on Earth would these victims have, 725 00:37:55,266 --> 00:37:57,467 have thought, when I'm sitting at table, 726 00:37:57,467 --> 00:38:00,166 um, length away from him, and I felt it. 727 00:38:07,667 --> 00:38:09,867 [Kendall] "I'm not a k-k-k-k-killer." 728 00:38:09,867 --> 00:38:12,667 It really wasn't the matter of so much of what he said, 729 00:38:12,667 --> 00:38:14,100 but how he said it. 730 00:38:21,467 --> 00:38:23,367 And then they had trial number two. 731 00:38:25,467 --> 00:38:28,400 [Ludlow] Carpenter got on the stand in his own defense. 732 00:38:28,467 --> 00:38:29,500 [Graysmith] He was looking for sympathy. 733 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,467 "Poor me, poor beat up little child." 734 00:38:33,467 --> 00:38:35,867 There was nothing else going for him. 735 00:38:35,867 --> 00:38:39,667 After I got my... [stutters] ...Chevy station wagon, 736 00:38:39,667 --> 00:38:44,100 I began taking my father... [stutters] ...shopping. 737 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,083 [Ludlow] He brought in calendars and detailed receipts 738 00:38:45,083 --> 00:38:48,367 [Ludlow] He brought in calendars and detailed receipts 739 00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:53,000 trying to say that he could not have been in these places at this time. 740 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,567 But his only witnesses that could corroborate these things 741 00:38:56,567 --> 00:38:59,200 was his father who had since died, 742 00:38:59,266 --> 00:39:02,800 his mother who was suffering with Alzheimer's disease, 743 00:39:02,867 --> 00:39:06,567 and these characters that he said he had been in prison with 744 00:39:06,567 --> 00:39:09,066 that he only knew by their nicknames. 745 00:39:09,066 --> 00:39:10,567 [Womack] David always thinks he smart enough 746 00:39:10,567 --> 00:39:13,166 that he can do whatever he wants to and get away with it. 747 00:39:20,567 --> 00:39:22,500 [juror] We, the jury, in the above-entitled cause, 748 00:39:22,567 --> 00:39:24,367 determine that the penalty shall be death. 749 00:39:25,367 --> 00:39:27,166 I felt very good about the outcomes. 750 00:39:27,166 --> 00:39:29,567 [Womack] Well, it's rewarding to know 751 00:39:29,567 --> 00:39:32,367 that we were able to successfully complete the circle, 752 00:39:32,367 --> 00:39:33,667 and put him away. 753 00:39:33,667 --> 00:39:36,867 [Ludlow] David Carpenter was convicted of seven murders, 754 00:39:36,867 --> 00:39:40,567 and we know that there are others that they couldn't try him for. 755 00:39:49,567 --> 00:39:54,667 [Besse] We were positive he killed Schwarz and Kane, 756 00:39:54,667 --> 00:39:57,767 but because they're different ammos, 757 00:39:57,767 --> 00:40:00,667 he was only tried for those seven murders 758 00:40:00,667 --> 00:40:02,367 'cause the gun tied them all together. 759 00:40:02,367 --> 00:40:05,667 [Ludlow] Edda Kane was killed with a .44-caliber weapon, 760 00:40:05,667 --> 00:40:09,200 and Barbera Schwartz who had been stabbed to death 761 00:40:09,266 --> 00:40:11,467 could not be linked to the .38 caliber, 762 00:40:11,467 --> 00:40:13,900 so, they couldn't positively link him 763 00:40:13,967 --> 00:40:15,083 to the evidence they had. 764 00:40:15,083 --> 00:40:15,500 to the evidence they had. 765 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,667 David Carpenter still professes his innocence to this day. 766 00:40:22,667 --> 00:40:26,066 [Robinson] I don't think he wants to allow himself to admit 767 00:40:26,066 --> 00:40:29,867 that he is the ugly, disgusting, 768 00:40:29,867 --> 00:40:32,567 vile human being that he is. 769 00:40:35,867 --> 00:40:37,567 [reporter] The hikers are back in numbers, 770 00:40:37,567 --> 00:40:39,066 but for some who remember, 771 00:40:39,066 --> 00:40:41,767 hiking will never be the same again. 772 00:40:41,767 --> 00:40:43,667 [lady] I've started to hike again. 773 00:40:43,667 --> 00:40:45,000 -[reporter] By yourself ever? -No. 774 00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:47,800 No, not anymore. 775 00:40:47,867 --> 00:40:50,166 [Ludlow] David Carpenter decided to use 776 00:40:50,166 --> 00:40:53,200 the beauty of this area as a hunting ground 777 00:40:53,266 --> 00:40:56,567 that changed how people thought about that area 778 00:40:56,567 --> 00:40:58,700 for a long, long time afterwards. 779 00:40:58,767 --> 00:41:02,000 It was hard to just be in nature, 780 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,567 and be at peace with it 781 00:41:03,567 --> 00:41:05,767 without thinking about David Carpenter. 782 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:07,867 This guy was a predator, 783 00:41:08,767 --> 00:41:10,967 and he hid it beautifully. 784 00:41:15,166 --> 00:41:17,166 [David Carpenter] 785 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,266 In 2010, cold-case investigators 786 00:41:27,266 --> 00:41:29,567 use advanced DNA technology 787 00:41:29,567 --> 00:41:32,567 tying David Carpenter to yet another victim, 788 00:41:32,567 --> 00:41:36,066 a 23-year-old woman named Mary Frances Bennett. 789 00:41:36,066 --> 00:41:39,300 She was found stabbed to death in San Francisco in 1979. 790 00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,166 Carpenter, now in his 90s, 791 00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:45,083 is the oldest inmate still on California's death row. 792 00:41:45,083 --> 00:41:46,066 is the oldest inmate still on California's death row. 793 00:41:46,066 --> 00:41:49,667 California currently has a moratorium on the death penalty, 794 00:41:49,667 --> 00:41:51,867 so, it is unlikely he will ever be put to death. 795 00:41:52,767 --> 00:41:55,000 I'm Donnie Wahlberg, thanks for watching,