1 00:00:07,667 --> 00:00:09,767 [Carolyn] You haven't heard anything in a couple of weeks? 2 00:00:09,767 --> 00:00:12,800 You don't think that I should like, notify somebody or something? 3 00:00:12,867 --> 00:00:14,533 [Robinson] Why? 4 00:00:14,533 --> 00:00:16,667 [Carolyn] I worry. How would you feel if it was one of your daughters? 5 00:00:16,667 --> 00:00:18,767 [Robinson] Well, well my daughter's... 6 00:00:18,767 --> 00:00:21,400 you know I... [Robinson laughing] 7 00:00:21,467 --> 00:00:23,567 My daughter went and travelled through Europe for a whole summer 8 00:00:23,567 --> 00:00:25,467 and I didn't hear from her. All I got was postcards. 9 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:27,767 Well... 10 00:00:27,767 --> 00:00:29,700 I know how young people are today. 11 00:00:29,767 --> 00:00:30,000 [opening theme music playing] 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,300 [opening theme music playing] 13 00:00:51,767 --> 00:00:53,467 Welcome to Very Scary People. 14 00:00:53,467 --> 00:00:55,100 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 15 00:00:55,100 --> 00:00:58,100 He called himself, "The Slave Master." 16 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:00,000 A seemingly unassuming family man who had a secret obsession for rough sex 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,066 A seemingly unassuming family man who had a secret obsession for rough sex 18 00:01:03,066 --> 00:01:06,100 including, bondage and sadomasochism. 19 00:01:06,166 --> 00:01:09,367 But there was an even darker side to John Robinson. 20 00:01:09,367 --> 00:01:13,166 At least six women who became involved with Robinson in some way, 21 00:01:13,166 --> 00:01:15,000 vanished without a trace. 22 00:01:15,066 --> 00:01:19,667 By the late '90s after years of trolling for prey through newspaper ads, 23 00:01:19,667 --> 00:01:22,300 Robinson discovered a new way to find victims. 24 00:01:22,767 --> 00:01:24,166 The internet. 25 00:01:24,166 --> 00:01:26,900 This is part two of "The Slave Master". 26 00:01:37,867 --> 00:01:41,467 [John] In 1964, Robinson met his wife Nancy, 27 00:01:41,467 --> 00:01:44,000 and, they had four kids. 28 00:01:44,066 --> 00:01:48,967 [Douglass] Ironically, he had a reputation in the community of being the family man. 29 00:01:48,967 --> 00:01:51,867 [John] He appeared to be a caring loving father, 30 00:01:51,867 --> 00:01:54,367 he was involved in his kids activities, 31 00:01:54,367 --> 00:01:57,000 he was involved in his church. 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Average dumpy looking guy. 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 But, he's smart, smooth talker, very dangerous. 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,567 But, he's smart, smooth talker, very dangerous. 35 00:02:02,567 --> 00:02:06,367 He would have many affairs with different women. 36 00:02:06,367 --> 00:02:13,967 An area of interest that he took on was the BDSM lifestyle. 37 00:02:13,967 --> 00:02:18,500 [Haymes] BDSM is bondage, discipline, and 38 00:02:18,567 --> 00:02:21,066 sadomasochistic sexual relations. 39 00:02:21,066 --> 00:02:24,266 [reporter] He went by the name Slave Master on the computer, 40 00:02:24,266 --> 00:02:27,100 soliciting sadomasochistic sex over the internet. 41 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:30,000 The first part of his career, he was, 42 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,266 The first part of his career, he was, 43 00:02:33,266 --> 00:02:36,266 kind of the archetypal small time chiseler. 44 00:02:36,266 --> 00:02:38,400 [Glatt] He faked his credentials, 45 00:02:38,467 --> 00:02:40,767 got jobs he wasn't qualified for, 46 00:02:40,767 --> 00:02:44,767 and milked the companies for various amounts of money. 47 00:02:44,767 --> 00:02:46,667 And more often than not, got away with it. 48 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:51,767 But by the eighties, he was evolving into something else. 49 00:02:51,767 --> 00:02:55,700 [reporter] John Edward Robinson Sr. apparently knew no bounds to his sadism. 50 00:02:55,767 --> 00:02:59,867 There were five women, one teenager and one baby missing. 51 00:02:59,867 --> 00:03:00,000 [Joyce] Paula Godfrey... 52 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 [Joyce] Paula Godfrey... 53 00:03:01,066 --> 00:03:02,266 [man 1] Lisa Stasi... 54 00:03:02,266 --> 00:03:04,100 [man 2] Baby Tiffany... 55 00:03:04,100 --> 00:03:05,266 [man 3] Catherine Clampitt... 56 00:03:05,266 --> 00:03:07,500 [man 4] A woman by the name of Beverly Bonner... 57 00:03:07,567 --> 00:03:09,166 [man 5] and Sheila and Debbie Faith. 58 00:03:09,166 --> 00:03:12,367 [Joyce] Part of Robinson's MO was that he had 59 00:03:12,367 --> 00:03:18,767 women sign stationary that he could use later to send to their relatives. 60 00:03:18,767 --> 00:03:23,266 After about of decade of instances where women met 61 00:03:23,266 --> 00:03:26,767 John Robinson and then disappeared, it's still happening. 62 00:03:26,767 --> 00:03:29,000 [Joyce] John Robinson was becoming emboldened 63 00:03:29,066 --> 00:03:30,000 by the fact that he was getting away with it, made him feel that he was... 64 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,066 by the fact that he was getting away with it, made him feel that he was... 65 00:03:33,967 --> 00:03:35,400 He was never gonna get caught. 66 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:46,100 In the fall of 1999, Robinson meets a young woman from Michigan, 67 00:03:46,100 --> 00:03:50,100 by the name of Suzette Trouten, who's 27 years old, 68 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:53,300 Suzette lived in Michigan, with her mother Carol. 69 00:03:53,367 --> 00:03:57,667 And she's interested in the BDSM lifestyle, 70 00:03:57,667 --> 00:04:00,000 Robinson met Suzette through an online chatroom. 71 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,700 Robinson met Suzette through an online chatroom. 72 00:04:01,767 --> 00:04:04,166 He was looking for a submissive, 73 00:04:04,166 --> 00:04:07,700 and Suzette was looking for a master. 74 00:04:07,767 --> 00:04:11,066 He enticed her to come to Kansas City. 75 00:04:11,066 --> 00:04:14,567 [Singular] He said I've got an old father, 76 00:04:14,567 --> 00:04:15,967 he's not in good health, 77 00:04:15,967 --> 00:04:20,500 I need you to come out here and nurse him and take care of him. 78 00:04:20,567 --> 00:04:25,867 She was supposed to be hired, at around $65,000 a year. 79 00:04:25,867 --> 00:04:28,166 He was going to pay her schooling, 80 00:04:28,166 --> 00:04:30,000 he was going to put her up with a place to stay, 81 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,567 he was going to put her up with a place to stay, 82 00:04:31,567 --> 00:04:35,367 and her only job was to take care of his aging father. 83 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:41,800 So, she packs up her life, 84 00:04:41,867 --> 00:04:46,500 and her two little Pekingese dogs that she never went anywhere without, 85 00:04:46,567 --> 00:04:50,567 and moves to the Kansas City area to be with John Robinson. 86 00:04:50,567 --> 00:04:55,000 She arrived on Valentine's Day, 2000. 87 00:04:55,066 --> 00:04:59,667 And was put up in the Guesthouse, in Lenexa, Kansas. 88 00:04:59,667 --> 00:05:00,000 For several weeks, he has sex with her a lot, does the whole BDSM thing. 89 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,066 For several weeks, he has sex with her a lot, does the whole BDSM thing. 90 00:05:04,066 --> 00:05:08,266 In at least one of the sessions that Robinson had with Suzette Trouten 91 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:12,400 in the hotel room, he began filming and photographing. 92 00:05:12,467 --> 00:05:16,266 And on March first, she totally disappeared. 93 00:05:20,767 --> 00:05:26,467 Suzette was a young woman who had daily conversations with her mom. 94 00:05:26,467 --> 00:05:30,000 When her mom, didn't start hearing from Suzette, 95 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:30,567 When her mom, didn't start hearing from Suzette, 96 00:05:30,567 --> 00:05:32,700 she knew something was wrong. 97 00:05:32,767 --> 00:05:34,767 [Tony] Carolyn Trouten was very concerned, 98 00:05:34,767 --> 00:05:38,266 and she reached out to the police here, 99 00:05:38,266 --> 00:05:40,467 in the city of Overland Park. 100 00:05:40,467 --> 00:05:44,100 Carolyn Trouten actually knew who John Robinson was, 101 00:05:44,166 --> 00:05:46,567 because Suzette had told her about him. 102 00:05:46,567 --> 00:05:49,166 The Overland Park Police Department had these old cases, 103 00:05:49,166 --> 00:05:52,600 the Godfrey case, the Stasi case. 104 00:05:52,667 --> 00:05:55,100 [Tony] Some of the old timers, I guess, recognized, 105 00:05:55,166 --> 00:05:57,200 "Hey, we've had missing person 106 00:05:57,266 --> 00:06:00,000 reports in the past involving this guy and now we have another one." 107 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,066 reports in the past involving this guy and now we have another one." 108 00:06:01,066 --> 00:06:05,567 There was this connection, that they began putting the pieces together, 109 00:06:05,567 --> 00:06:07,500 that this guy is a serial killer. 110 00:06:07,567 --> 00:06:10,800 I mean, there's no sequences, like that, that often so, 111 00:06:10,867 --> 00:06:15,266 literally within about 24 hours, we had a task force together, 112 00:06:15,266 --> 00:06:18,166 comprised of our office and several police departments, 113 00:06:18,166 --> 00:06:21,066 that started working non-stop on that case. 114 00:06:23,166 --> 00:06:26,166 [Rick] We could not arrest him, we had no information 115 00:06:26,166 --> 00:06:29,867 no evidence of anything at that point. 116 00:06:29,867 --> 00:06:30,000 We don't have a case. 117 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,300 We don't have a case. 118 00:06:31,367 --> 00:06:34,166 They trail him around town, 119 00:06:34,166 --> 00:06:37,867 they see what his routines are, they see what his activities are. 120 00:06:37,867 --> 00:06:43,100 We follow him, hoping he would lead us to some other evidence. 121 00:06:43,166 --> 00:06:45,166 [Douglass] To try to piece together 122 00:06:45,166 --> 00:06:48,500 exactly what happened in each and everyone of these events. 123 00:06:48,567 --> 00:06:50,467 What he did, how he did it, 124 00:06:50,467 --> 00:06:53,000 where kinds of things that would allow us to 125 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,800 put together a comprehensive picture of what took place. 126 00:06:58,367 --> 00:07:00,000 [Rick] John Robinson lived in a mobile home community, 127 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,066 [Rick] John Robinson lived in a mobile home community, 128 00:07:01,066 --> 00:07:03,967 that is a very close knit community. 129 00:07:03,967 --> 00:07:09,000 The residences basically sits side by side, everybody knows everybody. 130 00:07:09,066 --> 00:07:13,166 We couldn't even drive through that complex without being suspicious. 131 00:07:13,166 --> 00:07:16,700 So, we would sit outside the complex, 132 00:07:16,767 --> 00:07:20,100 and wait for John Robinson to leave. There was a 133 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:22,867 kind of a hill south of the complex, 134 00:07:22,867 --> 00:07:26,066 and an officer would setup there on a lounge chair 135 00:07:26,066 --> 00:07:29,400 on some people's property, watching so that they can tell 136 00:07:29,467 --> 00:07:30,000 when John Robinson was leaving. 137 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,266 when John Robinson was leaving. 138 00:07:32,266 --> 00:07:36,066 The officer gets so familiar with the people that he actually mowed their 139 00:07:36,066 --> 00:07:38,100 backyard a couple of times, 140 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:40,100 just so it didn't look so suspicious. 141 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,867 [Joyce] The task force was doing as much as they could to survey, 142 00:07:49,867 --> 00:07:52,667 and build a case against Robinson. 143 00:07:52,667 --> 00:07:56,967 [Haymes] They would masquerade as trash men and pick up his trash. 144 00:07:56,967 --> 00:08:00,000 They would find messages and letters and things that had been shredded in his trash 145 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,166 They would find messages and letters and things that had been shredded in his trash 146 00:08:03,166 --> 00:08:07,467 and they painstakingly put all of those back together. 147 00:08:10,066 --> 00:08:14,100 [Paul] John Robinson was driving all over the metro area. 148 00:08:14,166 --> 00:08:17,967 He bought this property which was a sixteen and a half acre track, 149 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:19,967 down in Linn county, 150 00:08:19,967 --> 00:08:24,000 which is a remote rural area about an hour of south of Kansas City. 151 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:29,500 It's a getaway, so to speak, and was supposedly gonna fix it up and, 152 00:08:29,567 --> 00:08:30,000 use it as a second home. 153 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,667 use it as a second home. 154 00:08:31,667 --> 00:08:35,667 [Singular] They would have them do surveillance atop telephone poles, 155 00:08:35,667 --> 00:08:38,100 you know, binoculars and they would watch him. 156 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:42,100 They were pretty much leaving no stone unturned. 157 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:43,967 [Joyce] They weren't ready to arrest him yet, 158 00:08:43,967 --> 00:08:45,900 they had to have an air tight case 159 00:08:45,967 --> 00:08:48,667 before they could arrest him. They knew he was slippery. 160 00:08:48,667 --> 00:08:52,500 [Paul] I think everybody was on the same page. It's one of those projects where 161 00:08:52,567 --> 00:08:56,667 every person involved knew how important it was and they knew, 162 00:08:56,667 --> 00:08:58,166 we're saving lives by 163 00:08:59,166 --> 00:09:00,000 getting this guy off of the streets. 164 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:00,834 getting this guy off of the streets. 165 00:09:02,367 --> 00:09:05,700 One of the challenges was, if he's killing, what's he done with their bodies? 166 00:09:19,367 --> 00:09:21,767 [Glatt] One of the more interesting twists 167 00:09:21,767 --> 00:09:25,900 in Robinson's story, is lady called Barbara Sandre. 168 00:09:28,367 --> 00:09:32,867 [Barbara] I met John Robinson in 1963 in Toronto. 169 00:09:32,867 --> 00:09:36,467 I was 15 and he was 19. 170 00:09:36,467 --> 00:09:40,867 He was slim, he had blonde hair, a nice looking guy. 171 00:09:40,867 --> 00:09:43,667 I think we liked each other. I think the feelings were mutual. 172 00:09:43,667 --> 00:09:44,303 We kept in touch on a regular basis. 173 00:09:44,303 --> 00:09:47,500 We kept in touch on a regular basis. 174 00:09:47,567 --> 00:09:51,700 They stayed pen pals and occasionally, he would come and visit her. 175 00:09:51,767 --> 00:09:53,700 As far as I was concerned, he was nice. 176 00:09:56,367 --> 00:10:01,367 They fell out of touch for many years and reconnected in 1993. 177 00:10:01,367 --> 00:10:04,200 [Barbara] At that time I was running a translation company in England. 178 00:10:04,266 --> 00:10:07,166 [Joyce] John Robinson actually told Barbara Sandre 179 00:10:07,166 --> 00:10:12,066 that he was not married and that he simply had four children from an... adoption. 180 00:10:12,066 --> 00:10:14,303 Apparently, his brother had died in car accident and they were the brother's kids. 181 00:10:14,303 --> 00:10:16,667 Apparently, his brother had died in car accident and they were the brother's kids. 182 00:10:16,667 --> 00:10:20,467 [Joyce] And this was not true, he was adept at lying to everyone, 183 00:10:20,467 --> 00:10:23,367 to his wife, to his victims, to everybody. 184 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,500 He was a pathological liar. 185 00:10:26,567 --> 00:10:29,300 [Barbara] We kept in touch by telephone, 186 00:10:29,367 --> 00:10:31,667 and, we wrote each other every week. 187 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,303 She moved down to Kansas City in the late 1990's. 188 00:10:44,303 --> 00:10:47,266 She moved down to Kansas City in the late 1990's. 189 00:10:47,266 --> 00:10:51,367 The reason I went was because there was this unfinished thing. 190 00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:55,467 He said he worked for the government. 191 00:10:55,467 --> 00:10:57,000 He had a security job, 192 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,667 and he said, that would be the reason why he was away all the time. 193 00:11:00,667 --> 00:11:02,367 So, because of his important position, 194 00:11:02,367 --> 00:11:04,500 I was supposed to keep a low profile. 195 00:11:04,567 --> 00:11:07,000 Initially, the apartment that I first rented, 196 00:11:07,066 --> 00:11:09,367 when I got there was an executive let, 197 00:11:09,367 --> 00:11:11,200 where you get everything. 198 00:11:11,266 --> 00:11:14,303 And then they had some duplexes that were considerably cheaper 199 00:11:14,303 --> 00:11:14,567 And then they had some duplexes that were considerably cheaper 200 00:11:14,567 --> 00:11:17,767 but you have to bring everything, and I mentioned it to him 201 00:11:17,767 --> 00:11:21,166 and he said, "That's not a problem, I have lots of furniture I can give you." 202 00:11:21,166 --> 00:11:23,100 And he arrived with everything I needed. 203 00:11:24,767 --> 00:11:27,400 Furniture, bedding, pillows... 204 00:11:27,467 --> 00:11:28,500 [scoffs] 205 00:11:28,567 --> 00:11:31,467 Even a Crock-pot full of rotten food. 206 00:11:31,467 --> 00:11:33,567 A mattress in the bed did have a stain on it, 207 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:40,400 but he said that was a result of a daughter's bad period. 208 00:11:40,467 --> 00:11:43,266 At the time, it wasn't something, were you would be thinking, 209 00:11:43,266 --> 00:11:44,303 I wonder if he killed somebody? 210 00:11:44,303 --> 00:11:44,867 I wonder if he killed somebody? 211 00:11:44,867 --> 00:11:47,467 You know, you were happy that you didn't have to go buy a bed. 212 00:11:49,166 --> 00:11:53,066 He brought me paintings and he said he had painted them and, 213 00:11:53,066 --> 00:11:54,867 they had his JR in every corner. 214 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:03,500 He asked me for money on a few occasions and I gave him 215 00:12:03,567 --> 00:12:07,100 maybe $20,000 over a period of time. 216 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:11,667 Because, that property in Linn county there, 217 00:12:11,667 --> 00:12:14,266 was just a field when he first bought it, 218 00:12:14,266 --> 00:12:14,303 and he said we were gonna live there one day. 219 00:12:14,303 --> 00:12:16,800 and he said we were gonna live there one day. 220 00:12:19,166 --> 00:12:22,300 He didn't come as often as I maybe would have liked to have seen him. 221 00:12:22,367 --> 00:12:24,000 But we talked everyday. 222 00:12:24,066 --> 00:12:25,467 Sometimes more than once, 223 00:12:26,567 --> 00:12:28,300 if I was misbehaving. 224 00:12:28,367 --> 00:12:30,667 [producer speaking] 225 00:12:30,667 --> 00:12:33,600 Going out and not coming home till late or 226 00:12:33,667 --> 00:12:39,166 having somebody over, those were all no-no's as far as he was concerned. 227 00:12:39,166 --> 00:12:42,500 But there was no aspect of BDSM in our relationship. 228 00:12:42,567 --> 00:12:44,200 I would have run a mile. 229 00:12:45,467 --> 00:12:48,066 He never would have seen me again from that day forward. 230 00:12:55,867 --> 00:12:58,100 Nancy said, she was his wife 231 00:12:58,100 --> 00:13:04,000 and that, you know, I shouldn't believe everything that I was being told. 232 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,200 That I was one of many women that he was running around with, 233 00:13:07,266 --> 00:13:10,000 or had run around with over the years. 234 00:13:10,066 --> 00:13:13,100 By this time, Nancy Robinson would be married to John Robinson, 235 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:14,303 I think, almost 40 years. 236 00:13:14,303 --> 00:13:15,300 I think, almost 40 years. 237 00:13:15,367 --> 00:13:18,667 [Barbara] And I asked him, what's with this Nancy person? 238 00:13:18,667 --> 00:13:24,667 And he said, "Oh, Nancy, Nancy is my, is the au pair that I hired to take care of the kids 239 00:13:24,667 --> 00:13:26,400 when they were little. 240 00:13:26,467 --> 00:13:29,567 And, she's been stalking me for years. 241 00:13:30,567 --> 00:13:33,066 I thought it was a little bit strange, 242 00:13:33,066 --> 00:13:35,266 but I took it for face value. 243 00:13:35,266 --> 00:13:37,867 When he said something, you believed him. 244 00:13:37,867 --> 00:13:39,500 He wasn't a wishy-washy man, 245 00:13:39,567 --> 00:13:42,166 you know, there was no more discussion about it. 246 00:13:42,166 --> 00:13:44,303 I don't think the gist of the letter from Nancy was for me to stop seeing him. 247 00:13:44,303 --> 00:13:46,000 I don't think the gist of the letter from Nancy was for me to stop seeing him. 248 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,767 But, she just wanted me to understand what kind of person he was. 249 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,200 You didn't dare question him. 250 00:13:55,266 --> 00:13:58,967 Once on the phone he got quite mad at me and, 251 00:13:59,567 --> 00:14:01,667 I remember saying to him, 252 00:14:01,667 --> 00:14:03,800 "Instead of us discussing this on the telephone 253 00:14:03,867 --> 00:14:07,166 why don't you come over here and let's talk about it face to face." 254 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,667 And he said, "I'm too mad at you right now, 255 00:14:10,667 --> 00:14:13,100 if I came there my kids would have to visit me in jail." 256 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:32,667 [telephone ringing] 257 00:14:41,867 --> 00:14:43,900 [Rick] When we took over the case, 258 00:14:43,967 --> 00:14:46,500 one of our detectives flew up 259 00:14:46,567 --> 00:14:49,900 to Michigan and talked to Suzette's mother, 260 00:14:49,967 --> 00:14:51,819 and he set him up with a recording device for her telephone. 261 00:14:51,819 --> 00:14:54,200 and he set him up with a recording device for her telephone. 262 00:14:54,266 --> 00:14:57,667 [Singular] One ironclad rule for John Robinson was, 263 00:14:57,667 --> 00:14:59,867 essentially to isolate, 264 00:14:59,867 --> 00:15:02,266 the women from their families. 265 00:15:02,266 --> 00:15:06,600 The fact that Suzette Trouten's mother and Suzette 266 00:15:06,667 --> 00:15:10,700 talked everyday was a key factor in this case. 267 00:15:10,767 --> 00:15:13,400 [Singular] At some point, she gave her mother his number. 268 00:15:15,867 --> 00:15:20,700 They actually recorded a conversation on the phone, 269 00:15:20,767 --> 00:15:21,819 between her and John Robinson. 270 00:15:21,819 --> 00:15:22,600 between her and John Robinson. 271 00:15:37,767 --> 00:15:41,600 He said, " Well, I don't know, she was here and she... 272 00:15:41,667 --> 00:15:46,867 met some guy and she left and... that's all I know about it." 273 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:16,767 The guy is, quick on his feet, 274 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:20,367 in regards to coming up with answers and lies. 275 00:16:20,367 --> 00:16:21,819 I couldn't figure out how he could keep all his lies straight. 276 00:16:21,819 --> 00:16:23,667 I couldn't figure out how he could keep all his lies straight. 277 00:16:23,667 --> 00:16:27,300 He had perfected this over, almost four decades. 278 00:16:27,367 --> 00:16:30,567 He was very good at it, and that's what that phone call reveals. 279 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:43,667 It was like he was, 280 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,667 kind of toying with her. 281 00:16:46,667 --> 00:16:48,800 [Douglass] He tried to convince Carolyn that 282 00:16:48,867 --> 00:16:51,819 she had simply left on her own and not to worry she would be coming back. 283 00:16:51,819 --> 00:16:53,066 she had simply left on her own and not to worry she would be coming back. 284 00:16:53,066 --> 00:16:56,500 When all of us really thought that was not going to be the case. 285 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:21,819 He could talk his way out of anything. 286 00:17:21,819 --> 00:17:23,100 He could talk his way out of anything. 287 00:17:28,467 --> 00:17:32,767 In about, May he told me that he was thinking of retiring. 288 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:37,367 And, maybe it was a good idea for us to go to Canada. 289 00:17:37,367 --> 00:17:39,567 His children are grown. 290 00:17:39,567 --> 00:17:44,900 [Barbara] And he encouraged me to go home and see if I could find a place. 291 00:17:44,967 --> 00:17:48,467 The furniture was still sitting there, I left everything behind. 292 00:17:48,467 --> 00:17:51,100 [John] Some people felt that this was because 293 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:51,819 Robinson thought maybe the police are getting close. 294 00:17:51,819 --> 00:17:53,667 Robinson thought maybe the police are getting close. 295 00:17:53,667 --> 00:17:55,367 I don't know if that's the case, 296 00:17:55,367 --> 00:17:59,867 I mean, Robinson told lot of women, he was going different places with them, 297 00:17:59,867 --> 00:18:01,467 and it never happened. 298 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:11,400 From March of 2000, until June of 2000, we had, basically had 90 days 299 00:18:11,467 --> 00:18:14,567 of pretty furious investigation into him. 300 00:18:14,567 --> 00:18:20,000 The hardest decision for us, was when he would bring women into town. 301 00:18:20,066 --> 00:18:21,819 [Paul] There were a lot of women that he didn't kill, that he didn't kidnap. 302 00:18:21,819 --> 00:18:23,600 [Paul] There were a lot of women that he didn't kill, that he didn't kidnap. 303 00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:25,667 They just had him come in for sex. 304 00:18:25,667 --> 00:18:30,400 He's a big fan of using the various extended stay hotels. 305 00:18:30,467 --> 00:18:33,100 He would bring somebody out of town, put them up there for a week, 306 00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:38,300 he could see them everyday and they'd have sex, do their BDSM thing. 307 00:18:38,367 --> 00:18:41,166 [Rick] Fortunately, we did have access to his phone. 308 00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:43,667 We did a court ordered wiretap. 309 00:18:43,667 --> 00:18:47,967 And from some of the conversations, we knew 310 00:18:47,967 --> 00:18:50,100 when these women were coming. 311 00:18:50,166 --> 00:18:51,819 The task force would take the room next door. 312 00:18:51,819 --> 00:18:52,867 The task force would take the room next door. 313 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:55,300 And they would listen in. 314 00:18:55,367 --> 00:19:00,266 We had a lot of contingency plans for what to do if 315 00:19:00,266 --> 00:19:04,066 we thought if he was actually hurting somebody. 316 00:19:04,066 --> 00:19:07,367 The police were authorized to just break in and stop it. 317 00:19:07,367 --> 00:19:09,500 But with BDSM, 318 00:19:09,567 --> 00:19:11,500 that's kind of a tall order because, 319 00:19:11,567 --> 00:19:13,200 part of that's yelling and screaming, 320 00:19:13,266 --> 00:19:16,200 part of that's voluntary infliction of pain. 321 00:19:16,266 --> 00:19:19,066 We tried to really sensitive to that stuff in terms of 322 00:19:19,066 --> 00:19:21,819 not over react or screw up the investigation while still not letting anybody get hurt. 323 00:19:21,819 --> 00:19:23,367 not over react or screw up the investigation while still not letting anybody get hurt. 324 00:19:28,567 --> 00:19:30,700 [Tony] One of the women that Robinson 325 00:19:30,767 --> 00:19:36,000 was having a dalliance with during this investigation was a woman named Dicky Neufeld, 326 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,667 who was into the BDSM lifestyle. 327 00:19:38,667 --> 00:19:43,800 She came down here, and Robinson put her up in a hotel room, 328 00:19:43,867 --> 00:19:46,100 where they had some sessions. 329 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:48,367 The relationship went sour, 330 00:19:48,367 --> 00:19:51,819 and she had a collection of about $700 worth of what you would call sex toys, 331 00:19:51,819 --> 00:19:55,767 and she had a collection of about $700 worth of what you would call sex toys, 332 00:19:55,767 --> 00:19:59,700 and he basically kept her property. 333 00:19:59,767 --> 00:20:03,367 And she called the police and reported that, 334 00:20:03,367 --> 00:20:05,800 that, you know he had stolen from her. 335 00:20:05,867 --> 00:20:08,000 [Paul] She didn't know we were investigating. 336 00:20:08,066 --> 00:20:10,667 "I'm gonna report this guy, stole my sex toys." 337 00:20:10,667 --> 00:20:12,567 [John] This was really significant, 338 00:20:12,567 --> 00:20:17,266 because this gave us the first real problem or cause that we had 339 00:20:17,266 --> 00:20:19,900 to get a warrant to arrest Robinson for something. 340 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:21,819 [Rick] We basically had run into a 341 00:20:21,819 --> 00:20:23,367 [Rick] We basically had run into a 342 00:20:23,367 --> 00:20:28,667 situation where we felt we had to move on John Robinson. 343 00:20:28,667 --> 00:20:34,667 We knew from phone records that Barbara Sandre was heading back to Canada, 344 00:20:34,667 --> 00:20:37,767 and that John Robinson was supposed to go with her, 345 00:20:37,767 --> 00:20:41,500 and the decision was made that we had to move in, 346 00:20:41,567 --> 00:20:45,500 and stop this investigation before it got out of control. 347 00:20:45,567 --> 00:20:51,567 [Joyce] This was a gamble for the prosecutor to arrest Robinson, because, 348 00:20:51,567 --> 00:20:51,819 at this point they only had Vickie Neufeld's missing sex toy charge, 349 00:20:51,819 --> 00:20:56,467 at this point they only had Vickie Neufeld's missing sex toy charge, 350 00:20:56,467 --> 00:21:00,400 and another charge, but the DA acted on his instincts and he was right. 351 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,266 [John] On, June second, 2000, 352 00:21:10,266 --> 00:21:14,967 we arrested Robinson at his trailer in Olathe. 353 00:21:14,967 --> 00:21:18,567 [Rick] But we originally wanted to go while Nancy was home 354 00:21:18,567 --> 00:21:21,166 and confront him in front of his wife, 355 00:21:21,166 --> 00:21:21,819 but we were late, I was there when they walked him out. 356 00:21:21,819 --> 00:21:25,600 but we were late, I was there when they walked him out. 357 00:21:25,667 --> 00:21:29,367 And he said that, "You're making quite a production out of this." 358 00:21:29,367 --> 00:21:33,467 And had a smirk on his face, like, "You have nothing on me." 359 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,567 The search of his home, turned up amazing evidence against him. 360 00:21:41,567 --> 00:21:44,100 He had paperwork on Stasi, 361 00:21:44,166 --> 00:21:46,567 he had paperwork on Godfrey. 362 00:21:46,567 --> 00:21:48,800 We saw Clampitt's name in there. 363 00:21:48,867 --> 00:21:51,819 We didn't really go through 'em at the scene, 364 00:21:51,819 --> 00:21:52,367 We didn't really go through 'em at the scene, 365 00:21:52,367 --> 00:21:57,567 but we knew we had a treasure trove of paper evidence on him from there. 366 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:01,166 [Paul] One of the big things that was found 367 00:22:01,166 --> 00:22:04,367 during the execution of the search warrant at Robinson's house 368 00:22:04,367 --> 00:22:07,467 was a receipt from the Rodeway Inn, 369 00:22:07,467 --> 00:22:12,000 from back in 1985, when Lisa Stasi disappeared. 370 00:22:12,066 --> 00:22:16,667 Why he kept that, who knows. But that was big piece of evidence. 371 00:22:16,667 --> 00:22:21,800 We discovered that Robinson had two storage units, one was located in Olathe, Kansas, 372 00:22:21,867 --> 00:22:24,467 one was located in Raymore, Missouri. 373 00:22:24,467 --> 00:22:27,100 [Glatt] They searched his Kansas storage locker, 374 00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:31,767 and they found some of his victims' birth certificates and driving licenses 375 00:22:31,767 --> 00:22:33,200 and personal papers. 376 00:22:46,567 --> 00:22:48,066 [reporter] This quiet pastor land, 377 00:22:48,066 --> 00:22:50,200 three miles north of La Cygne, Kansas, 378 00:22:50,266 --> 00:22:51,819 is now the focus of an investigation. 379 00:22:51,819 --> 00:22:52,500 is now the focus of an investigation. 380 00:22:52,567 --> 00:22:56,667 [John] I would say probably the first hour and a half in the search 381 00:22:56,667 --> 00:23:01,066 on the Linn county property turned out basically nothing. 382 00:23:01,066 --> 00:23:02,667 [Tony] It was very extensive, 383 00:23:02,667 --> 00:23:05,600 there was a pond on the property that they drained. 384 00:23:05,667 --> 00:23:07,867 We have a very large crime scene here, 385 00:23:07,867 --> 00:23:10,367 by means of 16 and half acres of ground. 386 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,367 [Douglass] Suspecting there was the possibility of human remains, 387 00:23:16,367 --> 00:23:21,819 a cadaver dog was brought in to help search the area in a more non-intrusive way. 388 00:23:21,819 --> 00:23:22,967 a cadaver dog was brought in to help search the area in a more non-intrusive way. 389 00:23:22,967 --> 00:23:26,667 The dogs hit on two barrels next to a storage shed. 390 00:23:28,266 --> 00:23:32,500 The barrels were right out in the open along with a bunch of other junk. 391 00:23:32,567 --> 00:23:38,266 It was a 85 gallon barrel and I... I actually laid it down. 392 00:23:38,266 --> 00:23:41,166 And rolled it over some grass and stuff and 393 00:23:41,166 --> 00:23:45,066 when we lifted it back up, we saw a little red streak, 394 00:23:45,066 --> 00:23:48,066 of red liquid going down the side of the barrel. 395 00:23:48,066 --> 00:23:51,667 We took a wrench and undid the barrel, 396 00:23:51,667 --> 00:23:51,819 and lifted the lid, and that was our first body. 397 00:23:51,819 --> 00:23:55,100 and lifted the lid, and that was our first body. 398 00:23:56,266 --> 00:23:59,000 [John] That first drum turned out to be Suzette Trouten. 399 00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:05,000 [Rick] Shortly, after that the second barrel was brought out, 400 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,000 and that was victim number two. 401 00:24:08,867 --> 00:24:12,367 It was like, okay, how far is this gonna go? 402 00:24:27,266 --> 00:24:29,767 Welcome back to Very Scary People. 403 00:24:29,767 --> 00:24:32,900 While searching John Robinson's rural Kansas property, 404 00:24:32,967 --> 00:24:35,066 detectives found two barrels. 405 00:24:35,066 --> 00:24:39,467 The first contained the body of his former BDSM partner, Suzette Trouten. 406 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,567 In the second barrel, 407 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:44,567 a previously unknown female victim. 408 00:24:44,567 --> 00:24:48,367 As with everything in this case, when it started to unravel, 409 00:24:48,367 --> 00:24:49,967 the truth was hard to believe. 410 00:24:56,467 --> 00:25:00,066 When we opened the second barrel and found that there was a body in there, 411 00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:05,367 we saw that it was decomposed quite a bit, it had been there for quite some time. 412 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:10,266 [John] Those turned out to be the remains of Izabela Lewicka. 413 00:25:10,266 --> 00:25:15,867 She was not on anybody's radar at the time. 414 00:25:15,867 --> 00:25:21,500 She was a 19 year-old from Indiana, had actually been a student of Purdue University. 415 00:25:22,166 --> 00:25:25,000 An aspiring artist. 416 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,500 [Rick] She had come to the Kansas City area after meeting Robinson online. 417 00:25:30,567 --> 00:25:35,166 He tells her that he will put her up there, he will take care of her. 418 00:25:35,166 --> 00:25:38,166 And, they will have a sexual relationship. 419 00:25:39,767 --> 00:25:41,867 [John] Robinson had a contract drawn up, 420 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,000 and Lewicka signed the contract. 421 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,543 She was a slave to Robinson, who was her master. 422 00:25:51,543 --> 00:25:52,266 She was a slave to Robinson, who was her master. 423 00:25:52,266 --> 00:25:56,767 She basically is owned body and soul by John Robinson. 424 00:25:56,767 --> 00:25:58,567 [Singular] He takes her around Kansas City, 425 00:25:58,567 --> 00:26:04,066 he introduces her as his daughter because she is quite a bit younger than she is. 426 00:26:04,066 --> 00:26:08,700 Robinson was with Izabela a while longer than he was with any of the other girls. 427 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:12,100 I found the marriage license application, 428 00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:13,867 with her name on it. 429 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:16,300 And, obviously they didn't actually really get married. 430 00:26:16,367 --> 00:26:20,500 But, I think, he probably deceived her into thinking that they were. 431 00:26:20,567 --> 00:26:21,543 And she would introduce herself as being his wife. 432 00:26:21,543 --> 00:26:24,700 And she would introduce herself as being his wife. 433 00:26:24,767 --> 00:26:27,200 After being here in the Kansas City area for 434 00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:29,100 way over a year, 435 00:26:30,467 --> 00:26:31,500 she disappeared. 436 00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:36,567 [telephone ringing] 437 00:26:36,567 --> 00:26:39,166 [Barbara] My mother said that there was call for me 438 00:26:39,166 --> 00:26:41,867 and he said he was from Lenexa Police Department, 439 00:26:41,867 --> 00:26:45,667 and he said, "Do you know, John Robinson?" and I said, "Yes." 440 00:26:45,667 --> 00:26:47,700 He said, "Okay, 441 00:26:47,767 --> 00:26:51,543 we have reason to think that he's been involved in some illegal dealings." 442 00:26:51,543 --> 00:26:53,266 we have reason to think that he's been involved in some illegal dealings." 443 00:26:53,266 --> 00:26:56,900 I went in my parents' bedroom and turned the TV on. 444 00:26:56,967 --> 00:27:00,667 A Kansas man, accused of luring women over the internet for sex, 445 00:27:00,667 --> 00:27:03,200 is the prime suspect in a series of brutal killings 446 00:27:03,266 --> 00:27:05,400 that may date back more than a decade. 447 00:27:05,467 --> 00:27:08,800 [Barbara] It was hard to believe that he would have done anything like that. 448 00:27:08,867 --> 00:27:14,800 I was never really suspicious. I guess I'm not a suspicious person. 449 00:27:14,867 --> 00:27:18,800 We called Barbara Sandre and asked her if we could search her apartment, 450 00:27:18,867 --> 00:27:21,543 where we knew that there was a lot of property there. 451 00:27:21,543 --> 00:27:22,467 where we knew that there was a lot of property there. 452 00:27:22,467 --> 00:27:28,567 And, she stated that John Robinson had given all that stuff to her. 453 00:27:28,567 --> 00:27:31,800 It appears that the furniture and possessions that I had at the house 454 00:27:32,967 --> 00:27:34,467 belonged to Izabela Lewicka. 455 00:27:35,967 --> 00:27:39,467 [Glatt] All the furniture had once belonged to Izabela, 456 00:27:39,467 --> 00:27:42,767 and he'd given to Barbara after he killed her. 457 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,166 [Joyce] She was an artist. 458 00:27:45,166 --> 00:27:48,266 And so her paintings were decorating the walls 459 00:27:48,266 --> 00:27:51,543 of Barbara Sandre, unbeknownst to Barbara Sandre. 460 00:27:51,543 --> 00:27:52,467 of Barbara Sandre, unbeknownst to Barbara Sandre. 461 00:27:52,467 --> 00:27:57,800 [John] John Robinson had written JR on 'em and passed them off as his artwork 462 00:27:57,867 --> 00:27:59,467 to impress Barbara Sandre. 463 00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:06,200 [Glatt] The police were wondering, 464 00:28:06,266 --> 00:28:10,100 how these letters from his victims have been sent from all over the world 465 00:28:10,166 --> 00:28:11,367 especially Europe. 466 00:28:12,467 --> 00:28:16,467 The police were able to figure out that 467 00:28:16,467 --> 00:28:21,543 John Robinson had enlisted Barbara Sandre, who lived in Europe at the time, 468 00:28:21,543 --> 00:28:22,100 John Robinson had enlisted Barbara Sandre, who lived in Europe at the time, 469 00:28:22,166 --> 00:28:26,867 to send letters and get post marks 470 00:28:26,867 --> 00:28:31,400 for his daughter, who he said was collecting international post marks. 471 00:28:32,266 --> 00:28:36,000 He sent packets of letters to her 472 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,467 and she mailed them from these foreign locations, 473 00:28:39,467 --> 00:28:41,767 to the family of Beverly Bonner, 474 00:28:41,767 --> 00:28:44,367 to Sheila and Debbie Faith's relatives. 475 00:28:45,867 --> 00:28:47,100 They were closed envelopes. 476 00:28:48,166 --> 00:28:49,867 And I had to put the stamps on it. 477 00:28:50,867 --> 00:28:51,543 And they had no return address. 478 00:28:51,543 --> 00:28:53,166 And they had no return address. 479 00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:55,066 I didn't think anything weird of it. 480 00:28:58,066 --> 00:28:58,967 Good afternoon everybody. 481 00:28:58,967 --> 00:28:59,867 My name is Chris Koster, 482 00:28:59,867 --> 00:29:00,767 I'm the Cass county 483 00:29:00,767 --> 00:29:02,300 prosecuting attorney. 484 00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:05,767 On Monday morning. Raymore police and members of Johnson county, Kansas 485 00:29:05,767 --> 00:29:11,600 law enforcement agencies, entered a storage locker in Raymore, Missouri. 486 00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:17,100 [Rick] The final search warrant was for a storage facility in Missouri. 487 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:20,567 [Chris] The locker was associated with John Robinson aged 56. 488 00:29:21,767 --> 00:29:23,667 [Haymes] They didn't expect to find anything there, 489 00:29:23,667 --> 00:29:27,467 other than, maybe background information. 490 00:29:27,467 --> 00:29:31,600 And, lo and behold they almost immediately discovered bodies. 491 00:29:35,467 --> 00:29:38,767 [Tony] They found three barrels, 492 00:29:38,767 --> 00:29:42,867 and in those three barrels, they found three other bodies, 493 00:29:42,867 --> 00:29:44,567 which turned out to be 494 00:29:44,567 --> 00:29:48,600 Beverly Bonner, Sheila Faith and her daughter Debbie Faith. 495 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,543 They were very far in the back, 496 00:29:51,543 --> 00:29:52,967 They were very far in the back, 497 00:29:52,967 --> 00:29:55,567 indicating, they'd been there a long time. 498 00:29:55,567 --> 00:29:58,567 He had kitty litter all along the floor 499 00:29:58,567 --> 00:30:01,867 to absorb any liquid which may have come out of them. 500 00:30:01,867 --> 00:30:04,667 And they were each, individually wrapped. 501 00:30:04,667 --> 00:30:07,900 We now realize, this guy is a serial killer. 502 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:31,367 [Joyce] The coroners and the forensic experts believe that 503 00:30:31,367 --> 00:30:35,567 the cause of death for the five victims found in the barrels, 504 00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:38,467 was blunt forced trauma to the head. 505 00:30:38,467 --> 00:30:40,467 Although, they couldn't say absolutely, 506 00:30:40,467 --> 00:30:44,500 it appeared that a hammer was used from 507 00:30:44,567 --> 00:30:46,064 the circular trauma that each suffered. 508 00:30:46,064 --> 00:30:48,600 the circular trauma that each suffered. 509 00:30:48,667 --> 00:30:53,200 [Joyce] They were never able to locate the murder weapon. 510 00:30:53,266 --> 00:30:55,000 [Tony] So nobody's ever gonna know. 511 00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:57,600 Except John Robinson. 512 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:06,367 [Haymes] Robinson as the killer, is a curious person to define. 513 00:31:06,367 --> 00:31:10,400 I think Robinson killed all these women for many reasons. 514 00:31:10,467 --> 00:31:12,066 They were all different. 515 00:31:12,066 --> 00:31:16,064 Because of his interest in BDSM, it's obvious that he likes to hurt people. 516 00:31:16,064 --> 00:31:17,867 Because of his interest in BDSM, it's obvious that he likes to hurt people. 517 00:31:17,867 --> 00:31:21,567 [Haymes] He was collecting alimony from Beverly Bonner. 518 00:31:21,567 --> 00:31:24,500 [Rick] Izabela Lewicka, she had a checking account. 519 00:31:24,567 --> 00:31:28,867 After he killed her, he emptied the checking account. 520 00:31:28,867 --> 00:31:34,100 [Haymes] But somewhere along the line, I think his sexual perversion increased, 521 00:31:34,166 --> 00:31:41,066 and he realized while killing these women, that's the ultimate satisfaction. 522 00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:45,900 I mean, what greater satisfaction to a sexually deviant person? 523 00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:56,266 [Tony] After Robinson's arrest, he was charged in Johnson's county, Kansas, 524 00:31:56,266 --> 00:32:01,000 with capital murder, which is punishable by death. 525 00:32:01,066 --> 00:32:08,867 We tried him for the murders of Lisa Stasi, Suzette Trouten and Izabela Lewicka. 526 00:32:08,867 --> 00:32:14,500 [Debbie] In trial the prosecuting attorney talked a lot about his early life. 527 00:32:14,567 --> 00:32:16,064 The different business that he was involved in. 528 00:32:16,064 --> 00:32:17,500 The different business that he was involved in. 529 00:32:18,567 --> 00:32:22,266 And the other side of him. 530 00:32:22,266 --> 00:32:29,166 The prosecution presented a 39 minute video tape of the sexual encounter 531 00:32:29,166 --> 00:32:33,900 between John Robinson and Suzette Trouten in a hotel room. 532 00:32:33,967 --> 00:32:38,900 John Robinson was talking in a very cold, flat demeanor, 533 00:32:38,967 --> 00:32:43,166 issuing commands to his submissive Suzette. 534 00:32:43,166 --> 00:32:46,064 The prosecuting attorney thought it was very important 535 00:32:46,064 --> 00:32:46,767 The prosecuting attorney thought it was very important 536 00:32:46,767 --> 00:32:53,767 that the jury see this video to understand the control that Robinson had over his victims. 537 00:32:56,066 --> 00:33:00,066 [Joyce] The sound of his voice on that tape, I'll never forget, 538 00:33:00,066 --> 00:33:03,667 because it was truly terrifying to hear him speak 539 00:33:03,667 --> 00:33:06,100 those commands to Suzette Trouten. 540 00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:09,367 To see this cheerful, 541 00:33:09,367 --> 00:33:13,867 nice gentleman, and realizing at the same time, 542 00:33:13,867 --> 00:33:16,064 his personality contains someone who beats women to death with a hammer. 543 00:33:16,064 --> 00:33:17,867 his personality contains someone who beats women to death with a hammer. 544 00:33:19,266 --> 00:33:24,166 Surprisingly, Robinson had taped all this over 545 00:33:24,166 --> 00:33:28,667 a Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory tape. 546 00:33:28,667 --> 00:33:32,467 So, nothing could've underscored more the double life 547 00:33:32,467 --> 00:33:34,567 of the doting father, 548 00:33:34,567 --> 00:33:37,266 and the sexual predator in that moment. 549 00:33:41,667 --> 00:33:42,900 [Paul] He was found guilty, 550 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,900 and he was sentenced to death. 551 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,867 [Debbie] He was such a monster that 552 00:33:49,867 --> 00:33:54,200 I didn't have a problem giving him the death penalty. 553 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,300 [Haymes] It didn't bring back any of these women, 554 00:33:58,367 --> 00:34:01,900 and if anything, the death sentence adds 555 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,567 more notoriety to the person. 556 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,767 It adds more appeals, 557 00:34:09,767 --> 00:34:16,064 it has allowed John to relive the fantasies and the murders over and over again. 558 00:34:16,064 --> 00:34:16,266 it has allowed John to relive the fantasies and the murders over and over again. 559 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:19,700 It was time for these victims 560 00:34:19,767 --> 00:34:21,400 to get some peace. 561 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:27,066 After the Kansas conviction, he was due to go on trial for the three murders, 562 00:34:27,066 --> 00:34:31,767 in Missouri of Beverly Bonner, and Debbie and Sheila Faith. 563 00:34:31,767 --> 00:34:34,900 And ultimately they ended up working out a plea deal, 564 00:34:34,967 --> 00:34:40,100 where he plead guilty to the murders of the two women and the girl found in the barrels, 565 00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:43,300 as well as the victims from the 1980's. 566 00:34:44,767 --> 00:34:46,064 But, he never revealed what happened to them. 567 00:34:46,064 --> 00:34:50,166 But, he never revealed what happened to them. 568 00:34:50,166 --> 00:34:52,900 I think that is one little 569 00:34:52,967 --> 00:34:57,367 kernel of control and power that he wasn't willing to give up. 570 00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:04,567 [Singular] There were three bodies of adults that are 571 00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:10,667 not accounted for, Paula Godfrey, Lisa Stasi and Catherine Clampitt. 572 00:35:10,667 --> 00:35:15,467 And the baby that, Lisa Stasi had, Tiffany. 573 00:35:15,467 --> 00:35:16,064 [reporter] Do you have any reason to believe the baby is alive? 574 00:35:16,064 --> 00:35:18,300 [reporter] Do you have any reason to believe the baby is alive? 575 00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:21,567 [man] We have no idea about that baby. 576 00:35:33,266 --> 00:35:36,667 [Singular] Two bodies were found on the Kansas side, 577 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,100 and three bodies were found on the Missouri side. 578 00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:46,667 That leaves three bodies that are not accounted for. 579 00:35:46,667 --> 00:35:52,266 Paula Godfrey, Lisa Stasi and Catherine Clampitt. 580 00:35:52,266 --> 00:35:57,066 And the baby that Lisa Stasi had, Tiffany. 581 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,367 Just when you think this case can't get any more... 582 00:36:02,367 --> 00:36:03,467 [exhales] 583 00:36:03,467 --> 00:36:04,367 ...weird. 584 00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:07,967 [Joyce] Police received a tip 585 00:36:07,967 --> 00:36:11,066 that Robinsons older brother, Don, 586 00:36:11,066 --> 00:36:14,667 had adopted a baby, about the same time 587 00:36:14,667 --> 00:36:17,900 that Lisa Stasi and her baby Tiffany had gone missing. 588 00:36:19,767 --> 00:36:22,300 [Haymes] In the fall of 1984, 589 00:36:22,367 --> 00:36:25,166 John's brother had told him 590 00:36:25,166 --> 00:36:27,542 that he was having trouble adopting. 591 00:36:27,542 --> 00:36:28,467 that he was having trouble adopting. 592 00:36:28,467 --> 00:36:33,166 And I think, he told John how much money it costs 593 00:36:33,166 --> 00:36:36,200 to actually adopt the child. 594 00:36:36,266 --> 00:36:40,667 And John thinking, "Well, that's a lot of money, that money can be mine." 595 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,367 In January, he gets the baby, 596 00:36:45,166 --> 00:36:48,000 and contacts his brother and says, 597 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,867 "You know, you've gotta travel here, because I've got a baby for you." 598 00:36:51,867 --> 00:36:57,542 He asked his older brother to pay him $5,500 for this baby, 599 00:36:57,542 --> 00:36:57,600 He asked his older brother to pay him $5,500 for this baby, 600 00:36:57,667 --> 00:37:01,266 and he presented what looked like legitimate adoption papers. 601 00:37:02,467 --> 00:37:05,567 [Paul] Which was all dummied up by John Robinson, 602 00:37:05,567 --> 00:37:10,567 so we got thinking about that and, secured her birth records. 603 00:37:10,567 --> 00:37:13,400 Including the footprints that were taken at her birth. 604 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,100 Ultimately, they ended up discovering that this 605 00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:21,266 girl who'd been raised by Robinson's brother 606 00:37:22,867 --> 00:37:23,767 was Tiffany. 607 00:37:25,166 --> 00:37:27,200 How much crazier can this thing be? 608 00:37:28,667 --> 00:37:31,100 We found that there were some pictures, 609 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:33,266 thy were Polaroids taken back 610 00:37:33,266 --> 00:37:39,200 when John Robinson actually had Tiffany on his lap with all the kids, 611 00:37:39,266 --> 00:37:41,600 and Nancy surrounding him. 612 00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:44,767 Just one, big happy family, with its little baby 613 00:37:44,767 --> 00:37:49,266 that was going to go and become his brother's child. 614 00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:54,500 They had no idea there was anything wrong. 615 00:37:54,567 --> 00:37:57,400 [Paul] John Robinson told everybody else that the mom 616 00:37:57,467 --> 00:37:57,542 was destitute and had killed herself in a hotel room. 617 00:37:57,542 --> 00:38:00,667 was destitute and had killed herself in a hotel room. 618 00:38:00,667 --> 00:38:03,300 The day that Lisa Stasi disappeared is the same day 619 00:38:03,367 --> 00:38:05,600 that baby was brought home to Robinson's house, 620 00:38:05,667 --> 00:38:07,900 be turned over to John Robinson's brother. 621 00:38:07,967 --> 00:38:12,367 So, one would assume that she met her demise about that time. 622 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,467 Perhaps that same day. 623 00:38:16,767 --> 00:38:21,100 [Singular] Tiffany went to Chicago, she would be renamed, Heather, 624 00:38:21,166 --> 00:38:25,100 and she would live her life with that family, uh, thereafter. 625 00:38:26,567 --> 00:38:27,542 She kept out of the public eye, till a few years ago. 626 00:38:27,542 --> 00:38:30,767 She kept out of the public eye, till a few years ago. 627 00:38:30,767 --> 00:38:33,667 [Haymes] To think, he is willing to kill 628 00:38:33,667 --> 00:38:37,467 a mother to get a baby, is chilling. 629 00:38:37,467 --> 00:38:41,467 What could be more cold-blooded than that? 630 00:38:41,467 --> 00:38:45,667 I was stupefied that this actually happened. 631 00:38:45,667 --> 00:38:49,166 That he actually stole a baby and killed its mother, 632 00:38:49,166 --> 00:38:51,967 which he actually charged his brother for, 633 00:38:52,967 --> 00:38:54,166 that took the cake. 634 00:38:54,967 --> 00:38:56,667 [Kelly] We, as a family, 635 00:38:56,667 --> 00:38:57,542 have followed the events of last week in horror and dismay 636 00:38:57,542 --> 00:39:00,166 have followed the events of last week in horror and dismay 637 00:39:00,166 --> 00:39:01,667 along with each of you. 638 00:39:01,667 --> 00:39:06,867 Nancy Robinson, and her four children made a joint family statement, 639 00:39:06,867 --> 00:39:10,300 denying any knowledge of what John Robinson had done. 640 00:39:10,367 --> 00:39:13,166 As each day has passed, these surreal events 641 00:39:13,166 --> 00:39:17,367 have built into a narrative, that is almost beyond comprehension. 642 00:39:17,367 --> 00:39:21,867 While we do not discount the information that has and continues to come to light, 643 00:39:21,867 --> 00:39:24,900 we do not know the person, whom we have read about and heard about on TV. 644 00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:31,600 [Paul] There is always a speculation about how much did the wife know. 645 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,367 My guess is that this is one of those marriages where she knew about 646 00:39:37,367 --> 00:39:40,567 some of his prior criminal conduct relating to 647 00:39:41,467 --> 00:39:43,867 scams and things like that. 648 00:39:43,867 --> 00:39:46,567 I don't think most people involved in this investigation, 649 00:39:46,567 --> 00:39:50,500 if anybody really thought that she knew about homicides. 650 00:39:50,567 --> 00:39:53,066 [Kelly] We have never seen any behavior that would have led us to believe that 651 00:39:53,066 --> 00:39:55,367 anything that we are now hearing could be possible. 652 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,542 They were married for over 40 years. 653 00:39:57,542 --> 00:39:59,400 They were married for over 40 years. 654 00:39:59,467 --> 00:40:03,000 And, uh, she only finally filed for divorce, 655 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,000 like several years after all of this stuff broke. 656 00:40:06,066 --> 00:40:11,300 His kids, loved him, even during the course of the investigation, 657 00:40:11,367 --> 00:40:14,867 had a difficult time believing that we had the right person. 658 00:40:14,867 --> 00:40:18,500 He still had this veneer of this family man. 659 00:40:18,567 --> 00:40:21,700 Even his own closest family members, 660 00:40:21,767 --> 00:40:24,767 they said they didn't know he was doing all of this. 661 00:40:28,066 --> 00:40:30,500 [John] What kind of person is John Robinson? 662 00:40:30,567 --> 00:40:34,800 John Robinson, I mean, he's... he's evil. 663 00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:36,900 This guy is just evil. 664 00:40:36,967 --> 00:40:42,166 He was a sadistic, and a sociopathic monster. 665 00:40:42,166 --> 00:40:45,300 He's a kind of person wouldn't think of thing about killing you. 666 00:40:45,367 --> 00:40:48,166 [Joyce] To kill people, kill disabled people, 667 00:40:48,166 --> 00:40:51,767 kill innocent women, kill vulnerable women, 668 00:40:51,767 --> 00:40:55,367 collect their disability, social security and alimony checks, 669 00:40:56,367 --> 00:40:57,542 how would you live with yourself? 670 00:40:57,542 --> 00:40:58,367 how would you live with yourself? 671 00:40:58,367 --> 00:41:02,100 [Tony] As far as I know, he's never expressed any remorse. 672 00:41:02,166 --> 00:41:05,000 I think that just shows, what kind of person he is. 673 00:41:06,467 --> 00:41:09,100 [John] I think one of the questions that many of us 674 00:41:09,166 --> 00:41:11,867 involved in this investigation have are, 675 00:41:11,867 --> 00:41:14,800 are there more victims out there that we don't know about? 676 00:41:14,867 --> 00:41:18,400 [Glatt] There may be more storage barrels with bodies, 677 00:41:18,467 --> 00:41:21,166 in other places, that have never been found, 678 00:41:21,166 --> 00:41:23,100 which is creepier than hell. 679 00:41:24,266 --> 00:41:25,266 [Robinson] I wouldn't worry. 680 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,400 I'm sure they're fine. 681 00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:34,100 John Robinson is considered the internet's first serial killer. 682 00:41:34,166 --> 00:41:37,066 But, sadly of course he wasn't the last. 683 00:41:37,066 --> 00:41:40,400 The plea deal in Missouri gave Robinson life in prison. 684 00:41:40,467 --> 00:41:43,066 And although he remains on death row in Kansas, 685 00:41:43,066 --> 00:41:45,467 his execution seems unlikely. 686 00:41:45,467 --> 00:41:49,400 It would mark the first one in state since 1965. 687 00:41:49,467 --> 00:41:52,767 Either way, Robinson will die in prison. 688 00:41:52,767 --> 00:41:55,266 I'm Donnie Wahlberg, thanks for watching.