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[Carolyn] You haven't heard
anything in a couple of weeks?
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You don't think that I should
like, notify somebody
or something?
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[Robinson] Why?
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[Carolyn] I worry.
How would you feel if it was
one of your daughters?
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[Robinson] Well, well
my daughter's...
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you know I...
[Robinson laughing]
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My daughter went
and travelled through Europe
for a whole summer
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and I didn't hear from her.
All I got was postcards.
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Well...
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I know how young
people are today.
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[opening theme music playing]
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[opening theme music playing]
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Welcome to Very Scary People.
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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He called himself,
"The Slave Master."
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A seemingly unassuming
family man who had a secret
obsession for rough sex
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A seemingly unassuming
family man who had a secret
obsession for rough sex
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including, bondage
and sadomasochism.
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But there was an even
darker side to John Robinson.
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At least six women who
became involved with
Robinson in some way,
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vanished without a trace.
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By the late '90s after
years of trolling for prey
through newspaper ads,
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Robinson discovered
a new way to find victims.
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The internet.
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This is part two
of "The Slave Master".
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[John] In 1964, Robinson
met his wife Nancy,
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and, they had four kids.
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[Douglass] Ironically, he had
a reputation in the community
of being the family man.
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[John] He appeared to be
a caring loving father,
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he was involved
in his kids activities,
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he was involved in his church.
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Average dumpy looking guy.
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But, he's smart,
smooth talker, very dangerous.
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But, he's smart,
smooth talker, very dangerous.
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He would have many
affairs with different women.
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An area of interest
that he took on was
the BDSM lifestyle.
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[Haymes]
BDSM is bondage,
discipline, and
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sadomasochistic
sexual relations.
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[reporter] He went by the
name Slave Master
on the computer,
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soliciting sadomasochistic
sex over the internet.
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The first part
of his career, he was,
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The first part
of his career, he was,
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kind of the archetypal
small time chiseler.
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[Glatt]
He faked his credentials,
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got jobs he wasn't
qualified for,
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and milked the companies for
various amounts of money.
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And more often than not,
got away with it.
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But by the eighties,
he was evolving into
something else.
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[reporter] John Edward
Robinson Sr. apparently knew
no bounds to his sadism.
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There were five women,
one teenager and
one baby missing.
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[Joyce] Paula Godfrey...
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[Joyce] Paula Godfrey...
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[man 1] Lisa Stasi...
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[man 2] Baby Tiffany...
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[man 3] Catherine Clampitt...
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[man 4] A woman by the name of
Beverly Bonner...
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[man 5]
and Sheila and Debbie Faith.
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[Joyce] Part of Robinson's
MO was that he had
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women sign stationary
that he could use later
to send to their relatives.
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After about of decade
of instances where women met
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John Robinson and
then disappeared,
it's still happening.
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[Joyce] John Robinson was
becoming emboldened
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by the fact that he was
getting away with it,
made him feel that he was...
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by the fact that he was
getting away with it,
made him feel that he was...
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He was never gonna get caught.
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In the fall of 1999,
Robinson meets
a young woman from Michigan,
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by the name
of Suzette Trouten,
who's 27 years old,
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Suzette lived in Michigan,
with her mother Carol.
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And she's interested
in the BDSM lifestyle,
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Robinson met Suzette
through an online chatroom.
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Robinson met Suzette
through an online chatroom.
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He was looking
for a submissive,
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and Suzette was
looking for a master.
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He enticed her to
come to Kansas City.
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[Singular] He said
I've got an old father,
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he's not in good health,
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I need you to come
out here and nurse him
and take care of him.
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She was supposed
to be hired, at around
$65,000 a year.
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He was going
to pay her schooling,
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he was going to put her up
with a place to stay,
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he was going to put her up
with a place to stay,
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and her only job
was to take care
of his aging father.
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So, she packs up her life,
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and her two little Pekingese
dogs that she never went
anywhere without,
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and moves to the
Kansas City area
to be with John Robinson.
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She arrived on
Valentine's Day, 2000.
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And was put up
in the Guesthouse,
in Lenexa, Kansas.
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For several weeks,
he has sex with her a lot,
does the whole BDSM thing.
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For several weeks,
he has sex with her a lot,
does the whole BDSM thing.
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In at least one
of the sessions that Robinson
had with Suzette Trouten
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in the hotel room, he began
filming and photographing.
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And on March first,
she totally disappeared.
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Suzette was a young
woman who had daily
conversations with her mom.
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When her mom,
didn't start hearing
from Suzette,
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When her mom,
didn't start hearing
from Suzette,
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she knew something was wrong.
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[Tony] Carolyn Trouten
was very concerned,
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and she reached
out to the police here,
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in the city of Overland Park.
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Carolyn Trouten
actually knew
who John Robinson was,
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because Suzette had
told her about him.
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The Overland Park Police
Department had
these old cases,
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the Godfrey case,
the Stasi case.
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[Tony] Some of the old timers,
I guess, recognized,
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"Hey, we've had
missing person
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reports in the past involving
this guy and now
we have another one."
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reports in the past involving
this guy and now
we have another one."
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There was this connection,
that they began putting
the pieces together,
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that this guy
is a serial killer.
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I mean, there's no
sequences, like that,
that often so,
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literally within about
24 hours, we had
a task force together,
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comprised of our office and
several police departments,
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that started working
non-stop on that case.
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[Rick]
We could not arrest him,
we had no information
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no evidence of anything
at that point.
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We don't have a case.
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We don't have a case.
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They trail him around town,
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they see what his
routines are, they see
what his activities are.
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We follow him, hoping
he would lead us to
some other evidence.
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[Douglass]
To try to piece together
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exactly what happened
in each and everyone
of these events.
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What he did, how he did it,
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where kinds of things
that would allow us to
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put together a
comprehensive picture
of what took place.
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[Rick] John Robinson lived
in a mobile home community,
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[Rick] John Robinson lived
in a mobile home community,
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that is a very
close knit community.
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The residences basically sits
side by side, everybody
knows everybody.
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We couldn't even drive through
that complex without
being suspicious.
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So, we would sit
outside the complex,
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and wait for John Robinson
to leave. There was a
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kind of a hill
south of the complex,
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and an officer would
setup there on a lounge chair
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on some people's
property, watching so
that they can tell
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when John Robinson
was leaving.
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when John Robinson
was leaving.
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The officer gets so familiar
with the people that
he actually mowed their
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backyard a couple of times,
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just so it didn't
look so suspicious.
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[Joyce] The task force was
doing as much as they
could to survey,
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and build a case
against Robinson.
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[Haymes] They would masquerade
as trash men and pick up
his trash.
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They would find messages and
letters and things that had
been shredded in his trash
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They would find messages and
letters and things that had
been shredded in his trash
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and they painstakingly put
all of those back together.
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[Paul] John Robinson was
driving all over
the metro area.
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He bought this property
which was a sixteen and
a half acre track,
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down in Linn county,
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which is a remote rural
area about an hour of south
of Kansas City.
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It's a getaway, so to speak,
and was supposedly
gonna fix it up and,
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use it as a second home.
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use it as a second home.
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[Singular] They would have
them do surveillance atop
telephone poles,
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you know, binoculars
and they would watch him.
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They were pretty much leaving
no stone unturned.
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[Joyce] They weren't ready
to arrest him yet,
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they had to have
an air tight case
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before they could arrest him.
They knew he was slippery.
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[Paul] I think everybody was
on the same page. It's one
of those projects where
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every person involved
knew how important
it was and they knew,
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we're saving lives by
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getting this guy
off of the streets.
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getting this guy
off of the streets.
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One of the challenges was,
if he's killing, what's he
done with their bodies?
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[Glatt] One of the more
interesting twists
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in Robinson's story,
is lady called
Barbara Sandre.
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[Barbara]
I met John Robinson in 1963
in Toronto.
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I was 15 and he was 19.
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He was slim,
he had blonde hair,
a nice looking guy.
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I think we liked each other.
I think the feelings
were mutual.
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We kept in touch
on a regular basis.
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We kept in touch
on a regular basis.
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They stayed pen pals
and occasionally,
he would come and visit her.
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As far as I was concerned,
he was nice.
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They fell out of touch
for many years and
reconnected in 1993.
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[Barbara] At that time I was
running a translation
company in England.
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[Joyce] John Robinson actually
told Barbara Sandre
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that he was not married
and that he simply had four
children from an... adoption.
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Apparently, his brother
had died in car accident and
they were the brother's kids.
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Apparently, his brother
had died in car accident and
they were the brother's kids.
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[Joyce] And this was not true,
he was adept at
lying to everyone,
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to his wife, to his victims,
to everybody.
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He was a pathological liar.
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[Barbara] We kept in
touch by telephone,
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and, we wrote each other
every week.
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She moved down
to Kansas City
in the late 1990's.
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She moved down
to Kansas City
in the late 1990's.
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The reason I went was
because there was this
unfinished thing.
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He said he worked
for the government.
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He had a security job,
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and he said, that would
be the reason why he
was away all the time.
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So, because of his
important position,
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I was supposed
to keep a low profile.
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Initially, the apartment
that I first rented,
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when I got there was
an executive let,
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where you get everything.
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And then they had
some duplexes that
were considerably cheaper
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And then they had
some duplexes that
were considerably cheaper
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but you have to
bring everything,
and I mentioned it to him
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and he said, "That's not
a problem, I have lots
of furniture I can give you."
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And he arrived
with everything I needed.
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Furniture, bedding, pillows...
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[scoffs]
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Even a Crock-pot
full of rotten food.
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A mattress in the bed
did have a stain on it,
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but he said that was a result
of a daughter's bad period.
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At the time, it wasn't
something, were you
would be thinking,
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I wonder if
he killed somebody?
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I wonder if
he killed somebody?
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You know, you were happy
that you didn't have
to go buy a bed.
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He brought me paintings
and he said he had
painted them and,
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they had his JR
in every corner.
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He asked me for money
on a few occasions and
I gave him
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maybe $20,000 over
a period of time.
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Because, that property
in Linn county there,
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was just a field when
he first bought it,
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and he said we were
gonna live there one day.
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and he said we were
gonna live there one day.
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He didn't come as often
as I maybe would have
liked to have seen him.
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But we talked everyday.
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Sometimes more than once,
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if I was misbehaving.
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[producer speaking]
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Going out and not
coming home till late or
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having somebody over,
those were all no-no's
as far as he was concerned.
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But there was no
aspect of BDSM
in our relationship.
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I would have run a mile.
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He never would have seen
me again from that
day forward.
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Nancy said, she was his wife
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and that, you know,
I shouldn't believe everything
that I was being told.
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That I was one of many
women that he was
running around with,
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or had run around
with over the years.
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By this time, Nancy Robinson
would be married
to John Robinson,
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I think, almost 40 years.
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I think, almost 40 years.
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[Barbara] And I asked him,
what's with this Nancy person?
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And he said, "Oh, Nancy, Nancy
is my, is the au pair that I
hired to take care of the kids
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when they were little.
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And, she's been
stalking me for years.
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I thought it was
a little bit strange,
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but I took it for face value.
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When he said something,
you believed him.
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He wasn't a wishy-washy man,
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you know, there was no more
discussion about it.
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I don't think the gist
of the letter from Nancy
was for me to stop seeing him.
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I don't think the gist
of the letter from Nancy
was for me to stop seeing him.
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But, she just wanted
me to understand
what kind of person he was.
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You didn't dare question him.
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Once on the phone he
got quite mad at me and,
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I remember saying to him,
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"Instead of us discussing this
on the telephone
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why don't you come over here
and let's talk about it
face to face."
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And he said, "I'm too mad
at you right now,
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if I came there my kids would
have to visit me in jail."
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[telephone ringing]
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[Rick]
When we took over the case,
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one of our detectives flew up
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to Michigan and talked
to Suzette's mother,
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and he set him up with
a recording device for
her telephone.
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and he set him up with
a recording device for
her telephone.
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[Singular]
One ironclad rule for
John Robinson was,
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essentially to isolate,
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the women from their families.
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The fact that
Suzette Trouten's mother
and Suzette
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talked everyday
was a key factor
in this case.
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[Singular]
At some point, she gave
her mother his number.
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They actually recorded a
conversation on the phone,
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between her and John Robinson.
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between her and John Robinson.
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He said, " Well, I don't
know, she was here and she...
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met some guy
and she left and...
that's all I know about it."
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The guy is, quick on his feet,
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in regards to coming up
with answers and lies.
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I couldn't figure out how
he could keep
all his lies straight.
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I couldn't figure out how
he could keep
all his lies straight.
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He had perfected this over,
almost four decades.
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He was very good at it,
and that's what that
phone call reveals.
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It was like he was,
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kind of toying with her.
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[Douglass] He tried to
convince Carolyn that
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she had simply left
on her own and not to worry
she would be coming back.
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she had simply left
on her own and not to worry
she would be coming back.
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When all of us really thought
that was not going
to be the case.
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He could talk his
way out of anything.
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He could talk his
way out of anything.
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In about, May he told me that
he was thinking of retiring.
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And, maybe it was a good idea
for us to go to Canada.
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His children are grown.
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[Barbara] And he encouraged
me to go home and see
if I could find a place.
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The furniture
was still sitting there,
I left everything behind.
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[John] Some people felt
that this was because
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Robinson thought maybe
the police are getting close.
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Robinson thought maybe
the police are getting close.
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I don't know
if that's the case,
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I mean, Robinson told
lot of women, he was going
different places with them,
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and it never happened.
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From March of 2000,
until June of 2000, we had,
basically had 90 days
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of pretty furious
investigation into him.
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The hardest decision for us,
was when he would bring
women into town.
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[Paul] There were a lot of
women that he didn't kill,
that he didn't kidnap.
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[Paul] There were a lot of
women that he didn't kill,
that he didn't kidnap.
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They just had him
come in for sex.
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He's a big fan of using the
various extended stay hotels.
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He would bring somebody
out of town, put them up
there for a week,
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he could see them everyday
and they'd have sex,
do their BDSM thing.
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[Rick] Fortunately, we
did have access to his phone.
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We did a court ordered
wiretap.
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And from some of
the conversations, we knew
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when these women were coming.
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The task force would
take the room next door.
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The task force would
take the room next door.
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And they would listen in.
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We had a lot of contingency
plans for what to do if
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we thought if he was
actually hurting somebody.
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The police were authorized
to just break in and stop it.
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But with BDSM,
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that's kind of a
tall order because,
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part of that's
yelling and screaming,
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part of that's
voluntary infliction of pain.
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We tried to really sensitive
to that stuff in terms of
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not over react or screw up
the investigation while still
not letting anybody get hurt.
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not over react or screw up
the investigation while still
not letting anybody get hurt.
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[Tony] One of the women
that Robinson
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was having a dalliance with
during this investigation was
a woman named Dicky Neufeld,
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who was into
the BDSM lifestyle.
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She came down here,
and Robinson put her up
in a hotel room,
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where they had some sessions.
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The relationship went sour,
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and she had a collection
of about $700 worth of
what you would call sex toys,
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and she had a collection
of about $700 worth of
what you would call sex toys,
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and he basically
kept her property.
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And she called the police
and reported that,
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that, you know he
had stolen from her.
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[Paul] She didn't know
we were investigating.
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"I'm gonna report this guy,
stole my sex toys."
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[John]
This was really significant,
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because this gave us
the first real problem
or cause that we had
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to get a warrant to arrest
Robinson for something.
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[Rick] We basically
had run into a
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[Rick] We basically
had run into a
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situation where we
felt we had to move
on John Robinson.
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We knew from phone records
that Barbara Sandre was
heading back to Canada,
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and that John Robinson
was supposed to go with her,
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and the decision was made that
we had to move in,
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and stop this investigation
before it got out of control.
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[Joyce] This was a gamble
for the prosecutor to arrest
Robinson, because,
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at this point they only had
Vickie Neufeld's
missing sex toy charge,
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at this point they only had
Vickie Neufeld's
missing sex toy charge,
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and another charge, but the DA
acted on his instincts
and he was right.
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[John] On, June second, 2000,
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we arrested Robinson
at his trailer in Olathe.
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[Rick] But we originally
wanted to go while
Nancy was home
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and confront him
in front of his wife,
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but we were late, I was there
when they walked him out.
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but we were late, I was there
when they walked him out.
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And he said that, "You're
making quite a production
out of this."
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And had a smirk on his face,
like, "You have
nothing on me."
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The search of his home,
turned up amazing evidence
against him.
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He had paperwork on Stasi,
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he had paperwork on Godfrey.
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We saw Clampitt's
name in there.
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We didn't really go through
'em at the scene,
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We didn't really go through
'em at the scene,
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but we knew we had
a treasure trove of paper
evidence on him from there.
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[Paul] One of the big things
that was found
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during the execution of
the search warrant
at Robinson's house
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was a receipt from
the Rodeway Inn,
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from back in 1985,
when Lisa Stasi disappeared.
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Why he kept that, who knows.
But that was big
piece of evidence.
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We discovered that Robinson
had two storage units, one was
located in Olathe, Kansas,
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one was located
in Raymore, Missouri.
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[Glatt] They searched his
Kansas storage locker,
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and they found some of his
victims' birth certificates
and driving licenses
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and personal papers.
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[reporter]
This quiet pastor land,
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three miles north
of La Cygne, Kansas,
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is now the focus
of an investigation.
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is now the focus
of an investigation.
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[John] I would say probably
the first hour and
a half in the search
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on the Linn county property
turned out basically nothing.
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[Tony] It was very extensive,
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there was a pond
on the property
that they drained.
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We have a very large
crime scene here,
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by means of 16 and half
acres of ground.
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[Douglass] Suspecting there
was the possibility
of human remains,
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a cadaver dog was brought
in to help search the area
in a more non-intrusive way.
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a cadaver dog was brought
in to help search the area
in a more non-intrusive way.
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The dogs hit on two barrels
next to a storage shed.
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The barrels were
right out in the open along
with a bunch of other junk.
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It was a 85 gallon barrel
and I... I actually
laid it down.
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And rolled it over
some grass
and stuff and
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when we lifted it back up,
we saw a little red streak,
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of red liquid going down
the side of the barrel.
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We took a wrench
and undid the barrel,
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and lifted the lid,
and that was our first body.
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and lifted the lid,
and that was our first body.
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[John] That first drum turned
out to be Suzette Trouten.
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[Rick] Shortly, after that
the second barrel
was brought out,
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and that was
victim number two.
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It was like, okay,
how far is this gonna go?
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Welcome back
to Very Scary People.
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While searching
John Robinson's
rural Kansas property,
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detectives found two barrels.
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The first contained the body
of his former BDSM partner,
Suzette Trouten.
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In the second barrel,
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a previously unknown
female victim.
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As with everything
in this case, when
it started to unravel,
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the truth was hard to believe.
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When we opened the second
barrel and found that
there was a body in there,
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we saw that it was decomposed
quite a bit, it had been there
for quite some time.
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[John] Those turned
out to be the remains
of Izabela Lewicka.
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She was not on anybody's
radar at the time.
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She was a 19 year-old from
Indiana, had actually been a
student of Purdue University.
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An aspiring artist.
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[Rick] She had come to the
Kansas City area after
meeting Robinson online.
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He tells her that he will
put her up there,
he will take care of her.
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And, they will have
a sexual relationship.
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[John] Robinson had
a contract drawn up,
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and Lewicka
signed the contract.
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She was a slave to Robinson,
who was her master.
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She was a slave to Robinson,
who was her master.
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She basically is owned body
and soul by John Robinson.
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[Singular] He takes her
around Kansas City,
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he introduces her as his
daughter because she is quite
a bit younger than she is.
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Robinson was with Izabela
a while longer than he was
with any of the other girls.
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I found the marriage
license application,
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with her name on it.
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And, obviously they didn't
actually really get married.
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But, I think, he probably
deceived her into thinking
that they were.
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And she would introduce
herself as being his wife.
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And she would introduce
herself as being his wife.
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After being here in the
Kansas City area for
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way over a year,
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she disappeared.
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[telephone ringing]
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[Barbara] My mother said
that there was call for me
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and he said he was from
Lenexa Police Department,
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and he said,
"Do you know, John Robinson?"
and I said, "Yes."
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He said, "Okay,
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we have reason to think
that he's been involved
in some illegal dealings."
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we have reason to think
that he's been involved
in some illegal dealings."
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I went in my parents' bedroom
and turned the TV on.
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A Kansas man, accused
of luring women over
the internet for sex,
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is the prime suspect in
a series of brutal killings
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that may date back
more than a decade.
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[Barbara] It was hard
to believe that he would
have done anything like that.
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I was never really suspicious.
I guess I'm not a
suspicious person.
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We called Barbara Sandre
and asked her if we could
search her apartment,
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where we knew that
there was a lot
of property there.
451
00:27:21,543 --> 00:27:22,467
where we knew that
there was a lot
of property there.
452
00:27:22,467 --> 00:27:28,567
And, she stated that
John Robinson had given all
that stuff to her.
453
00:27:28,567 --> 00:27:31,800
It appears that the furniture
and possessions that
I had at the house
454
00:27:32,967 --> 00:27:34,467
belonged to Izabela Lewicka.
455
00:27:35,967 --> 00:27:39,467
[Glatt] All the furniture had
once belonged to Izabela,
456
00:27:39,467 --> 00:27:42,767
and he'd given to Barbara
after he killed her.
457
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,166
[Joyce] She was an artist.
458
00:27:45,166 --> 00:27:48,266
And so her paintings
were decorating the walls
459
00:27:48,266 --> 00:27:51,543
of Barbara Sandre,
unbeknownst to Barbara Sandre.
460
00:27:51,543 --> 00:27:52,467
of Barbara Sandre,
unbeknownst to Barbara Sandre.
461
00:27:52,467 --> 00:27:57,800
[John] John Robinson had
written JR on 'em and passed
them off as his artwork
462
00:27:57,867 --> 00:27:59,467
to impress Barbara Sandre.
463
00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:06,200
[Glatt] The police
were wondering,
464
00:28:06,266 --> 00:28:10,100
how these letters from
his victims have been sent
from all over the world
465
00:28:10,166 --> 00:28:11,367
especially Europe.
466
00:28:12,467 --> 00:28:16,467
The police were able
to figure out that
467
00:28:16,467 --> 00:28:21,543
John Robinson had enlisted
Barbara Sandre, who
lived in Europe at the time,
468
00:28:21,543 --> 00:28:22,100
John Robinson had enlisted
Barbara Sandre, who
lived in Europe at the time,
469
00:28:22,166 --> 00:28:26,867
to send letters
and get post marks
470
00:28:26,867 --> 00:28:31,400
for his daughter, who he
said was collecting
international post marks.
471
00:28:32,266 --> 00:28:36,000
He sent packets
of letters to her
472
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,467
and she mailed them
from these foreign locations,
473
00:28:39,467 --> 00:28:41,767
to the family
of Beverly Bonner,
474
00:28:41,767 --> 00:28:44,367
to Sheila and Debbie
Faith's relatives.
475
00:28:45,867 --> 00:28:47,100
They were closed envelopes.
476
00:28:48,166 --> 00:28:49,867
And I had to put the
stamps on it.
477
00:28:50,867 --> 00:28:51,543
And they had
no return address.
478
00:28:51,543 --> 00:28:53,166
And they had
no return address.
479
00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:55,066
I didn't think
anything weird of it.
480
00:28:58,066 --> 00:28:58,967
Good afternoon everybody.
481
00:28:58,967 --> 00:28:59,867
My name is Chris Koster,
482
00:28:59,867 --> 00:29:00,767
I'm the Cass county
483
00:29:00,767 --> 00:29:02,300
prosecuting attorney.
484
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:05,767
On Monday morning.
Raymore police and members
of Johnson county, Kansas
485
00:29:05,767 --> 00:29:11,600
law enforcement agencies,
entered a storage locker
in Raymore, Missouri.
486
00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:17,100
[Rick] The final search
warrant was for a storage
facility in Missouri.
487
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:20,567
[Chris] The locker was
associated with John
Robinson aged 56.
488
00:29:21,767 --> 00:29:23,667
[Haymes] They didn't expect
to find anything there,
489
00:29:23,667 --> 00:29:27,467
other than, maybe
background information.
490
00:29:27,467 --> 00:29:31,600
And, lo and behold
they almost immediately
discovered bodies.
491
00:29:35,467 --> 00:29:38,767
[Tony] They found
three barrels,
492
00:29:38,767 --> 00:29:42,867
and in those three barrels,
they found three other bodies,
493
00:29:42,867 --> 00:29:44,567
which turned out to be
494
00:29:44,567 --> 00:29:48,600
Beverly Bonner, Sheila Faith
and her daughter Debbie Faith.
495
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,543
They were very far
in the back,
496
00:29:51,543 --> 00:29:52,967
They were very far
in the back,
497
00:29:52,967 --> 00:29:55,567
indicating, they'd been
there a long time.
498
00:29:55,567 --> 00:29:58,567
He had kitty litter
all along the floor
499
00:29:58,567 --> 00:30:01,867
to absorb any liquid which
may have come out of them.
500
00:30:01,867 --> 00:30:04,667
And they were each,
individually wrapped.
501
00:30:04,667 --> 00:30:07,900
We now realize, this
guy is a serial killer.
502
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:31,367
[Joyce] The coroners and the
forensic experts believe that
503
00:30:31,367 --> 00:30:35,567
the cause of death for
the five victims found
in the barrels,
504
00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:38,467
was blunt forced
trauma to the head.
505
00:30:38,467 --> 00:30:40,467
Although, they couldn't
say absolutely,
506
00:30:40,467 --> 00:30:44,500
it appeared that
a hammer was used from
507
00:30:44,567 --> 00:30:46,064
the circular trauma that
each suffered.
508
00:30:46,064 --> 00:30:48,600
the circular trauma that
each suffered.
509
00:30:48,667 --> 00:30:53,200
[Joyce] They were never able
to locate the murder weapon.
510
00:30:53,266 --> 00:30:55,000
[Tony] So nobody's
ever gonna know.
511
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:57,600
Except John Robinson.
512
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:06,367
[Haymes] Robinson as
the killer, is a curious
person to define.
513
00:31:06,367 --> 00:31:10,400
I think Robinson killed all
these women for many reasons.
514
00:31:10,467 --> 00:31:12,066
They were all different.
515
00:31:12,066 --> 00:31:16,064
Because of his interest
in BDSM, it's obvious
that he likes to hurt people.
516
00:31:16,064 --> 00:31:17,867
Because of his interest
in BDSM, it's obvious
that he likes to hurt people.
517
00:31:17,867 --> 00:31:21,567
[Haymes] He was collecting
alimony from Beverly Bonner.
518
00:31:21,567 --> 00:31:24,500
[Rick] Izabela Lewicka,
she had a checking account.
519
00:31:24,567 --> 00:31:28,867
After he killed her,
he emptied the
checking account.
520
00:31:28,867 --> 00:31:34,100
[Haymes] But somewhere along
the line, I think his
sexual perversion increased,
521
00:31:34,166 --> 00:31:41,066
and he realized while killing
these women, that's the
ultimate satisfaction.
522
00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:45,900
I mean, what greater
satisfaction to a
sexually deviant person?
523
00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:56,266
[Tony] After Robinson's
arrest, he was charged in
Johnson's county, Kansas,
524
00:31:56,266 --> 00:32:01,000
with capital murder,
which is punishable by death.
525
00:32:01,066 --> 00:32:08,867
We tried him for the murders
of Lisa Stasi, Suzette Trouten
and Izabela Lewicka.
526
00:32:08,867 --> 00:32:14,500
[Debbie] In trial the
prosecuting attorney talked
a lot about his early life.
527
00:32:14,567 --> 00:32:16,064
The different business
that he was involved in.
528
00:32:16,064 --> 00:32:17,500
The different business
that he was involved in.
529
00:32:18,567 --> 00:32:22,266
And the other side of him.
530
00:32:22,266 --> 00:32:29,166
The prosecution presented
a 39 minute video tape
of the sexual encounter
531
00:32:29,166 --> 00:32:33,900
between John Robinson
and Suzette Trouten
in a hotel room.
532
00:32:33,967 --> 00:32:38,900
John Robinson was talking
in a very cold,
flat demeanor,
533
00:32:38,967 --> 00:32:43,166
issuing commands to his
submissive Suzette.
534
00:32:43,166 --> 00:32:46,064
The prosecuting attorney
thought it was very important
535
00:32:46,064 --> 00:32:46,767
The prosecuting attorney
thought it was very important
536
00:32:46,767 --> 00:32:53,767
that the jury see this video
to understand the control that
Robinson had over his victims.
537
00:32:56,066 --> 00:33:00,066
[Joyce] The sound
of his voice on that tape,
I'll never forget,
538
00:33:00,066 --> 00:33:03,667
because it was truly
terrifying to hear him speak
539
00:33:03,667 --> 00:33:06,100
those commands
to Suzette Trouten.
540
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:09,367
To see this cheerful,
541
00:33:09,367 --> 00:33:13,867
nice gentleman, and
realizing at the same time,
542
00:33:13,867 --> 00:33:16,064
his personality contains
someone who beats women
to death with a hammer.
543
00:33:16,064 --> 00:33:17,867
his personality contains
someone who beats women
to death with a hammer.
544
00:33:19,266 --> 00:33:24,166
Surprisingly, Robinson had
taped all this over
545
00:33:24,166 --> 00:33:28,667
a Willy Wonka and
the Chocolate Factory tape.
546
00:33:28,667 --> 00:33:32,467
So, nothing could've
underscored more
the double life
547
00:33:32,467 --> 00:33:34,567
of the doting father,
548
00:33:34,567 --> 00:33:37,266
and the sexual predator
in that moment.
549
00:33:41,667 --> 00:33:42,900
[Paul] He was found guilty,
550
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,900
and he was sentenced to death.
551
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,867
[Debbie]
He was such a monster that
552
00:33:49,867 --> 00:33:54,200
I didn't have a problem
giving him the death penalty.
553
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,300
[Haymes] It didn't bring back
any of these women,
554
00:33:58,367 --> 00:34:01,900
and if anything,
the death sentence adds
555
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,567
more notoriety to the person.
556
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,767
It adds more appeals,
557
00:34:09,767 --> 00:34:16,064
it has allowed John to relive
the fantasies and the
murders over and over again.
558
00:34:16,064 --> 00:34:16,266
it has allowed John to relive
the fantasies and the
murders over and over again.
559
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:19,700
It was time for these victims
560
00:34:19,767 --> 00:34:21,400
to get some peace.
561
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:27,066
After the Kansas conviction,
he was due to go on trial
for the three murders,
562
00:34:27,066 --> 00:34:31,767
in Missouri of Beverly Bonner,
and Debbie and Sheila Faith.
563
00:34:31,767 --> 00:34:34,900
And ultimately they ended up
working out a plea deal,
564
00:34:34,967 --> 00:34:40,100
where he plead guilty to the
murders of the two women and
the girl found in the barrels,
565
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:43,300
as well as the victims
from the 1980's.
566
00:34:44,767 --> 00:34:46,064
But, he never revealed
what happened to them.
567
00:34:46,064 --> 00:34:50,166
But, he never revealed
what happened to them.
568
00:34:50,166 --> 00:34:52,900
I think that is one little
569
00:34:52,967 --> 00:34:57,367
kernel of control and power
that he wasn't
willing to give up.
570
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:04,567
[Singular] There were three
bodies of adults that are
571
00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:10,667
not accounted for,
Paula Godfrey, Lisa Stasi
and Catherine Clampitt.
572
00:35:10,667 --> 00:35:15,467
And the baby that,
Lisa Stasi had, Tiffany.
573
00:35:15,467 --> 00:35:16,064
[reporter] Do you have
any reason to believe
the baby is alive?
574
00:35:16,064 --> 00:35:18,300
[reporter] Do you have
any reason to believe
the baby is alive?
575
00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:21,567
[man] We have no idea
about that baby.
576
00:35:33,266 --> 00:35:36,667
[Singular] Two bodies were
found on the Kansas side,
577
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,100
and three bodies were found
on the Missouri side.
578
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:46,667
That leaves three bodies
that are not accounted for.
579
00:35:46,667 --> 00:35:52,266
Paula Godfrey, Lisa Stasi
and Catherine Clampitt.
580
00:35:52,266 --> 00:35:57,066
And the baby
that Lisa Stasi had, Tiffany.
581
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,367
Just when you think
this case can't get
any more...
582
00:36:02,367 --> 00:36:03,467
[exhales]
583
00:36:03,467 --> 00:36:04,367
...weird.
584
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:07,967
[Joyce] Police received a tip
585
00:36:07,967 --> 00:36:11,066
that Robinsons
older brother, Don,
586
00:36:11,066 --> 00:36:14,667
had adopted a baby,
about the same time
587
00:36:14,667 --> 00:36:17,900
that Lisa Stasi and
her baby Tiffany
had gone missing.
588
00:36:19,767 --> 00:36:22,300
[Haymes] In the fall of 1984,
589
00:36:22,367 --> 00:36:25,166
John's brother had told him
590
00:36:25,166 --> 00:36:27,542
that he was having
trouble adopting.
591
00:36:27,542 --> 00:36:28,467
that he was having
trouble adopting.
592
00:36:28,467 --> 00:36:33,166
And I think, he told John
how much money it costs
593
00:36:33,166 --> 00:36:36,200
to actually adopt the child.
594
00:36:36,266 --> 00:36:40,667
And John thinking, "Well,
that's a lot of money,
that money can be mine."
595
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,367
In January, he gets the baby,
596
00:36:45,166 --> 00:36:48,000
and contacts his
brother and says,
597
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,867
"You know, you've gotta
travel here, because I've got
a baby for you."
598
00:36:51,867 --> 00:36:57,542
He asked his older brother
to pay him $5,500
for this baby,
599
00:36:57,542 --> 00:36:57,600
He asked his older brother
to pay him $5,500
for this baby,
600
00:36:57,667 --> 00:37:01,266
and he presented what
looked like legitimate
adoption papers.
601
00:37:02,467 --> 00:37:05,567
[Paul] Which was all
dummied up by John Robinson,
602
00:37:05,567 --> 00:37:10,567
so we got thinking
about that and,
secured her birth records.
603
00:37:10,567 --> 00:37:13,400
Including the footprints
that were taken at her birth.
604
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,100
Ultimately, they ended up
discovering that this
605
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:21,266
girl who'd been raised
by Robinson's brother
606
00:37:22,867 --> 00:37:23,767
was Tiffany.
607
00:37:25,166 --> 00:37:27,200
How much crazier
can this thing be?
608
00:37:28,667 --> 00:37:31,100
We found that there
were some pictures,
609
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:33,266
thy were
Polaroids taken back
610
00:37:33,266 --> 00:37:39,200
when John Robinson
actually had Tiffany
on his lap with all the kids,
611
00:37:39,266 --> 00:37:41,600
and Nancy surrounding him.
612
00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:44,767
Just one, big happy family,
with its little baby
613
00:37:44,767 --> 00:37:49,266
that was going
to go and become
his brother's child.
614
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:54,500
They had no idea
there was anything wrong.
615
00:37:54,567 --> 00:37:57,400
[Paul] John Robinson told
everybody else that the mom
616
00:37:57,467 --> 00:37:57,542
was destitute and
had killed herself
in a hotel room.
617
00:37:57,542 --> 00:38:00,667
was destitute and
had killed herself
in a hotel room.
618
00:38:00,667 --> 00:38:03,300
The day that Lisa Stasi
disappeared is the same day
619
00:38:03,367 --> 00:38:05,600
that baby was brought
home to Robinson's house,
620
00:38:05,667 --> 00:38:07,900
be turned over
to John Robinson's brother.
621
00:38:07,967 --> 00:38:12,367
So, one would assume
that she met her demise
about that time.
622
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,467
Perhaps that same day.
623
00:38:16,767 --> 00:38:21,100
[Singular] Tiffany went to
Chicago, she would be
renamed, Heather,
624
00:38:21,166 --> 00:38:25,100
and she would live
her life with that family,
uh, thereafter.
625
00:38:26,567 --> 00:38:27,542
She kept out
of the public eye,
till a few years ago.
626
00:38:27,542 --> 00:38:30,767
She kept out
of the public eye,
till a few years ago.
627
00:38:30,767 --> 00:38:33,667
[Haymes] To think,
he is willing to kill
628
00:38:33,667 --> 00:38:37,467
a mother to get a baby,
is chilling.
629
00:38:37,467 --> 00:38:41,467
What could be more
cold-blooded than that?
630
00:38:41,467 --> 00:38:45,667
I was stupefied that
this actually happened.
631
00:38:45,667 --> 00:38:49,166
That he actually stole a baby
and killed its mother,
632
00:38:49,166 --> 00:38:51,967
which he actually
charged his brother for,
633
00:38:52,967 --> 00:38:54,166
that took the cake.
634
00:38:54,967 --> 00:38:56,667
[Kelly] We, as a family,
635
00:38:56,667 --> 00:38:57,542
have followed the events
of last week in horror
and dismay
636
00:38:57,542 --> 00:39:00,166
have followed the events
of last week in horror
and dismay
637
00:39:00,166 --> 00:39:01,667
along with each of you.
638
00:39:01,667 --> 00:39:06,867
Nancy Robinson, and her
four children made a joint
family statement,
639
00:39:06,867 --> 00:39:10,300
denying any knowledge of what
John Robinson had done.
640
00:39:10,367 --> 00:39:13,166
As each day has passed,
these surreal events
641
00:39:13,166 --> 00:39:17,367
have built into a narrative,
that is almost beyond
comprehension.
642
00:39:17,367 --> 00:39:21,867
While we do not discount
the information that has and
continues to come to light,
643
00:39:21,867 --> 00:39:24,900
we do not know the person,
whom we have read about
and heard about on TV.
644
00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:31,600
[Paul] There is always a
speculation about how much
did the wife know.
645
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,367
My guess is that this is one
of those marriages where
she knew about
646
00:39:37,367 --> 00:39:40,567
some of his prior
criminal conduct relating to
647
00:39:41,467 --> 00:39:43,867
scams and things like that.
648
00:39:43,867 --> 00:39:46,567
I don't think most people
involved in this
investigation,
649
00:39:46,567 --> 00:39:50,500
if anybody really thought
that she knew
about homicides.
650
00:39:50,567 --> 00:39:53,066
[Kelly] We have never seen
any behavior that would have
led us to believe that
651
00:39:53,066 --> 00:39:55,367
anything that we are
now hearing could be possible.
652
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,542
They were married
for over 40 years.
653
00:39:57,542 --> 00:39:59,400
They were married
for over 40 years.
654
00:39:59,467 --> 00:40:03,000
And, uh, she only
finally filed for divorce,
655
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,000
like several years
after all of this stuff broke.
656
00:40:06,066 --> 00:40:11,300
His kids, loved him,
even during the course
of the investigation,
657
00:40:11,367 --> 00:40:14,867
had a difficult time
believing that we
had the right person.
658
00:40:14,867 --> 00:40:18,500
He still had this
veneer of this family man.
659
00:40:18,567 --> 00:40:21,700
Even his own
closest family members,
660
00:40:21,767 --> 00:40:24,767
they said they didn't know
he was doing all of this.
661
00:40:28,066 --> 00:40:30,500
[John] What kind of person
is John Robinson?
662
00:40:30,567 --> 00:40:34,800
John Robinson,
I mean, he's... he's evil.
663
00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:36,900
This guy is just evil.
664
00:40:36,967 --> 00:40:42,166
He was a sadistic,
and a sociopathic monster.
665
00:40:42,166 --> 00:40:45,300
He's a kind of person wouldn't
think of thing
about killing you.
666
00:40:45,367 --> 00:40:48,166
[Joyce] To kill people,
kill disabled people,
667
00:40:48,166 --> 00:40:51,767
kill innocent women,
kill vulnerable women,
668
00:40:51,767 --> 00:40:55,367
collect their disability,
social security and
alimony checks,
669
00:40:56,367 --> 00:40:57,542
how would you live
with yourself?
670
00:40:57,542 --> 00:40:58,367
how would you live
with yourself?
671
00:40:58,367 --> 00:41:02,100
[Tony] As far as I know,
he's never expressed
any remorse.
672
00:41:02,166 --> 00:41:05,000
I think that just shows,
what kind of person he is.
673
00:41:06,467 --> 00:41:09,100
[John] I think one of the
questions that many of us
674
00:41:09,166 --> 00:41:11,867
involved in
this investigation have are,
675
00:41:11,867 --> 00:41:14,800
are there more victims
out there that we don't
know about?
676
00:41:14,867 --> 00:41:18,400
[Glatt] There may be more
storage barrels with bodies,
677
00:41:18,467 --> 00:41:21,166
in other places, that
have never been found,
678
00:41:21,166 --> 00:41:23,100
which is creepier than hell.
679
00:41:24,266 --> 00:41:25,266
[Robinson] I wouldn't worry.
680
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,400
I'm sure they're fine.
681
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:34,100
John Robinson
is considered the internet's
first serial killer.
682
00:41:34,166 --> 00:41:37,066
But, sadly of course
he wasn't the last.
683
00:41:37,066 --> 00:41:40,400
The plea deal in Missouri
gave Robinson life in prison.
684
00:41:40,467 --> 00:41:43,066
And although he remains
on death row in Kansas,
685
00:41:43,066 --> 00:41:45,467
his execution seems unlikely.
686
00:41:45,467 --> 00:41:49,400
It would mark the first one
in state since 1965.
687
00:41:49,467 --> 00:41:52,767
Either way,
Robinson will die in prison.
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg,
thanks for watching.