1 00:00:03,967 --> 00:00:06,100 [crows cawing] 2 00:00:07,867 --> 00:00:10,667 [man] Larry was a very shy kid. 3 00:00:10,667 --> 00:00:13,867 Very eager to please. 4 00:00:13,867 --> 00:00:17,467 Exceedingly respectful and soft-spoken. 5 00:00:17,467 --> 00:00:19,700 And seemingly gentle. 6 00:00:19,767 --> 00:00:21,467 Oh, he wouldn't hurt a flea. 7 00:00:23,667 --> 00:00:25,867 But there was this... 8 00:00:25,867 --> 00:00:28,100 duality to him. 9 00:00:28,166 --> 00:00:30,000 Something we would call "Jekyll and Hyde." 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,100 Something we would call "Jekyll and Hyde." 11 00:00:32,300 --> 00:00:34,567 He really lived to kill. 12 00:00:34,567 --> 00:00:36,266 [muffled screaming] 13 00:00:38,266 --> 00:00:39,567 [tires screech] 14 00:00:43,166 --> 00:00:45,166 [theme music playing] 15 00:01:05,567 --> 00:01:07,367 Welcome to Very Scary People. 16 00:01:07,367 --> 00:01:08,967 I'm Donny Wahlberg. 17 00:01:08,967 --> 00:01:12,000 Like a wild animal hunting for easy prey, 18 00:01:12,066 --> 00:01:14,667 he stalked young girls and women he caught alone. 19 00:01:14,667 --> 00:01:17,667 Walking, running, bicycling. 20 00:01:17,667 --> 00:01:20,000 There was no escape from this predator. 21 00:01:20,066 --> 00:01:21,800 Once in the grip of his horrifying urge 22 00:01:21,867 --> 00:01:24,000 to rape and kill he ended defenseless lives 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,800 that had hardly begun. 24 00:01:25,867 --> 00:01:27,266 It seemed like that he might never be caught. 25 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:30,000 Could the mystery man investigators finally took 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:30,500 Could the mystery man investigators finally took 27 00:01:30,567 --> 00:01:32,667 into custody be the killer? 28 00:01:32,667 --> 00:01:35,867 Or was he nothing more than a troubled wannabe serial killer, 29 00:01:35,867 --> 00:01:37,266 making false confessions. 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,200 This is part one of "The Twin." 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:00,000 [reporter] Tricia Reitler took a walk off campus 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,867 [reporter] Tricia Reitler took a walk off campus 33 00:02:01,867 --> 00:02:05,266 and never came back to Indiana Wesleyan University. 34 00:02:05,266 --> 00:02:07,700 Some of her clothing was found with a small amount of blood. 35 00:02:07,767 --> 00:02:08,967 Investigators believe 36 00:02:08,967 --> 00:02:11,967 Reitler was abducted. But by whom, where and why? 37 00:02:11,967 --> 00:02:13,767 Police have no hard evidence to say. 38 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,266 [Casey] On March 29th, 1993, Tricia Reitler, 39 00:02:19,266 --> 00:02:21,200 a 19-year-old college freshman 40 00:02:21,266 --> 00:02:23,467 at Indiana Wesleyan University 41 00:02:23,467 --> 00:02:25,367 took a break from writing her term paper. 42 00:02:27,467 --> 00:02:29,400 [Joni] She decided to walk a few blocks down 43 00:02:29,467 --> 00:02:30,000 to a Marsh store to get 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,700 to a Marsh store to get 45 00:02:31,767 --> 00:02:33,266 a root beer and to get a magazine. 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,000 [Casey] But on the way home, 47 00:02:37,066 --> 00:02:38,066 something happened. 48 00:02:39,100 --> 00:02:40,800 [Joni] All of a sudden, she vanishes. 49 00:02:42,266 --> 00:02:45,100 And nobody knows where she is. 50 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,200 [telephone rings] 51 00:02:53,266 --> 00:02:56,066 The phone rang at about 12:30 52 00:02:56,066 --> 00:02:58,000 just after midnight. 53 00:02:58,066 --> 00:03:00,000 And it was the Marion Police department. 54 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:00,266 And it was the Marion Police department. 55 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:02,667 And the first question 56 00:03:02,667 --> 00:03:04,200 she asked was, "Do you know where Tricia is?" 57 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,467 At that moment, my heart sunk. 58 00:03:10,867 --> 00:03:13,600 [Donna] We knew that something was really wrong. 59 00:03:13,667 --> 00:03:15,100 It was like a punch in the gut. 60 00:03:15,867 --> 00:03:16,867 [Tim] It was horrible. 61 00:03:16,867 --> 00:03:19,367 Horrible. It's a parent's worst nightmare. 62 00:03:23,367 --> 00:03:25,467 [Belinda] I was legitimately panicking. 63 00:03:25,467 --> 00:03:27,200 We were roommates, Tricia and I, 64 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:28,900 our freshman year. 65 00:03:30,567 --> 00:03:33,967 That weekend before Tricia's disappearance. 66 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,467 I found out from my 67 00:03:36,467 --> 00:03:39,000 friends that she was being stalked. 68 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,467 And I started asking her about it. 69 00:03:42,467 --> 00:03:44,400 She had said that, 70 00:03:44,467 --> 00:03:45,767 on the day that she ran, 71 00:03:45,767 --> 00:03:46,800 he would start following her 72 00:03:46,867 --> 00:03:49,266 at a certain, like, 73 00:03:49,967 --> 00:03:52,367 road or intersection. 74 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,166 And then he would 75 00:03:54,166 --> 00:03:56,000 follow her a little ways 76 00:03:56,066 --> 00:03:59,266 behind while she was running, 77 00:03:59,266 --> 00:04:00,000 and then he would turn off, 78 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,066 and then he would turn off, 79 00:04:01,867 --> 00:04:03,400 and go a separate way. 80 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,900 Who was this person? 81 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:08,100 Where was this van? 82 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,166 [Joni] A predatory stalker 83 00:04:14,166 --> 00:04:16,266 is the rarest kind of stalker. 84 00:04:18,066 --> 00:04:19,500 It's also the most dangerous. 85 00:04:19,567 --> 00:04:22,467 Because they often target strangers. 86 00:04:22,467 --> 00:04:24,867 They often don't give much warning. 87 00:04:26,567 --> 00:04:28,100 This is somebody who is finding 88 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:30,000 a lot of pleasure 89 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:30,800 a lot of pleasure 90 00:04:30,867 --> 00:04:34,667 out of the process, and a lot of interest 91 00:04:34,667 --> 00:04:37,200 in picking out girls. 92 00:04:40,367 --> 00:04:42,567 We have a window to what he is thinking about 93 00:04:42,567 --> 00:04:43,400 by what he's journaled. 94 00:04:44,967 --> 00:04:46,066 [Hillel] "Take buck knife. 95 00:04:46,867 --> 00:04:47,700 Gloves. 96 00:04:47,767 --> 00:04:49,467 Mask. 97 00:04:49,467 --> 00:04:51,100 Take a lot of clothes, 98 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:53,867 blankets to keep her out of sight. 99 00:04:56,066 --> 00:04:57,900 No body contact. 100 00:04:57,967 --> 00:04:59,700 Buy condoms. 101 00:04:59,767 --> 00:05:00,000 No forensic residue. 102 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 No forensic residue. 103 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,200 Check colleges, 104 00:05:05,266 --> 00:05:06,767 parks. 105 00:05:06,767 --> 00:05:08,467 Teen joggers and bikers. 106 00:05:08,467 --> 00:05:09,767 Many alone. 107 00:05:09,767 --> 00:05:11,400 Get one. Find one. 108 00:05:11,467 --> 00:05:12,567 Find one now." 109 00:05:19,100 --> 00:05:22,100 When police retraced Tricia Reitler's steps 110 00:05:22,166 --> 00:05:23,767 it became pretty apparent 111 00:05:23,767 --> 00:05:26,000 that she was the subject of a violent attack. 112 00:05:29,166 --> 00:05:30,000 [Tim] I go out to check that area, 113 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,467 [Tim] I go out to check that area, 114 00:05:31,467 --> 00:05:33,166 and I see some things 115 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:35,166 that appear to be a crime scene. 116 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:39,667 [Hillel] Her clothes were found under a tree 117 00:05:40,667 --> 00:05:42,000 with the blood on it. 118 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,967 And later, they also found 119 00:05:44,967 --> 00:05:48,100 an earring that had been torn out of her ear. 120 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:54,600 [Tim] The crime scene proves two things. 121 00:05:54,667 --> 00:05:57,767 That she had been abducted, and that 122 00:05:57,767 --> 00:05:59,266 a sexual assault occurred. 123 00:06:01,900 --> 00:06:02,867 [Casey] The perpetrator, 124 00:06:02,867 --> 00:06:04,467 he is someone 125 00:06:04,467 --> 00:06:07,000 who gets their eye on the prize and decides, 126 00:06:07,066 --> 00:06:09,867 "I've been fantasizing about this for so very, very long. 127 00:06:09,867 --> 00:06:12,166 Today is the day, this is the time, 128 00:06:12,166 --> 00:06:13,667 I'm about to make it happen." 129 00:06:26,266 --> 00:06:28,900 [reporter] Tricia Reitler, seen here on home video 130 00:06:28,967 --> 00:06:31,266 purchased a soft drink at a Marsh supermarket. 131 00:06:31,266 --> 00:06:33,900 And passively walking along this Marion street, 132 00:06:33,967 --> 00:06:35,467 towards her college dormitory, 133 00:06:35,467 --> 00:06:37,100 was confronted and abducted. 134 00:06:40,467 --> 00:06:43,266 [Donna] Tricia went to Indiana Wesleyan University. 135 00:06:43,266 --> 00:06:46,300 She was funny. She was outgoing. 136 00:06:46,367 --> 00:06:47,467 She was athletic. 137 00:06:48,467 --> 00:06:49,467 [Garry] Daddy's little girl. 138 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:51,422 We had a special relationship. 139 00:06:51,422 --> 00:06:51,900 We had a special relationship. 140 00:06:51,967 --> 00:06:53,900 Tricia wanted to be a psychologist. 141 00:06:53,967 --> 00:06:57,166 And basically, she wanted to put families back together again. 142 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,367 [Belinda] She was always smiling. 143 00:07:00,367 --> 00:07:03,266 That's the one thing that I seriously miss about her. 144 00:07:06,266 --> 00:07:09,066 [copier whirring] 145 00:07:09,066 --> 00:07:11,967 [reporter] And exhaustive investigations has produced few clues, 146 00:07:11,967 --> 00:07:14,367 except the recovery of some blood-stained clothes. 147 00:07:15,266 --> 00:07:17,867 [Michael] They organized huge 148 00:07:17,867 --> 00:07:20,367 sweeps of the area looking for 149 00:07:20,367 --> 00:07:21,422 any kind of clues. 150 00:07:21,422 --> 00:07:22,066 any kind of clues. 151 00:07:22,066 --> 00:07:23,767 The college is in a very 152 00:07:23,767 --> 00:07:25,166 rural area. 153 00:07:25,166 --> 00:07:26,567 [Garry] All you see is, 154 00:07:26,567 --> 00:07:28,200 -cornfields... -[Donna] Yeah. 155 00:07:28,266 --> 00:07:29,367 ...and soybean fields, 156 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:30,867 and trees. 157 00:07:31,667 --> 00:07:32,867 [Michael] There was just so many 158 00:07:32,867 --> 00:07:34,300 places where she could be. 159 00:07:35,667 --> 00:07:37,667 They were searching everywhere and, 160 00:07:37,667 --> 00:07:38,500 they never found anything. 161 00:07:39,567 --> 00:07:41,100 [Donna] It was uh, I call it 162 00:07:41,166 --> 00:07:42,333 the zombie state. 163 00:07:42,333 --> 00:07:45,567 You could barely function but you knew you had to. 164 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:51,266 [Hillel] "Seen many nice girls, 165 00:07:51,266 --> 00:07:51,422 at Marsh's. 166 00:07:51,422 --> 00:07:52,500 at Marsh's. 167 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,066 Lots of walkers at 7:15. 168 00:07:57,100 --> 00:08:00,367 Walking to apartments on Nebraska 169 00:08:01,066 --> 00:08:03,767 in 44/43. 170 00:08:03,767 --> 00:08:05,567 Must be housing 171 00:08:05,567 --> 00:08:06,867 for the university. 172 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:08,967 Seen some prospects. 173 00:08:09,767 --> 00:08:10,767 Look at maps. 174 00:08:10,767 --> 00:08:12,000 Get the van ready." 175 00:08:17,100 --> 00:08:18,066 [Joni] Tricia Reitler 176 00:08:18,066 --> 00:08:20,166 was walking home alone. 177 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:21,422 I think the tragedy is, 178 00:08:21,422 --> 00:08:22,600 I think the tragedy is, 179 00:08:22,667 --> 00:08:25,400 she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 180 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:29,066 [Hillel] That place that he had pre-determined 181 00:08:29,066 --> 00:08:32,266 would be the best place to cease someone. 182 00:08:32,266 --> 00:08:35,767 Fields where there was no one nearby, 183 00:08:35,767 --> 00:08:39,100 where there was no lighting, and we can only speculate 184 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:44,200 at that point, he pulled up his van. 185 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,000 [John] Police had started with nothing. 186 00:08:49,066 --> 00:08:50,667 The have some physical evidence. 187 00:08:50,667 --> 00:08:51,422 They don't have a body. 188 00:08:51,422 --> 00:08:52,266 They don't have a body. 189 00:08:52,266 --> 00:08:54,767 So what they begin is with a wide net. 190 00:08:54,767 --> 00:08:56,667 Who fits the bill for this? 191 00:08:56,667 --> 00:08:59,900 Who has a criminal past or a connection to the victim? 192 00:08:59,967 --> 00:09:03,800 [reporter] Police do have a suspect in Tricia Reitler's disappearance. 193 00:09:03,867 --> 00:09:06,467 A man who has been questioned several times by police, 194 00:09:06,467 --> 00:09:07,667 but never identified. 195 00:09:08,667 --> 00:09:10,600 [Tim] Tony Searcy. 196 00:09:10,667 --> 00:09:13,000 He had been involved in some 197 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,767 felony thefts. 198 00:09:14,767 --> 00:09:16,166 [Joey] And they found the connection 199 00:09:16,166 --> 00:09:18,166 between him and Tricia Reitler 200 00:09:18,166 --> 00:09:20,266 through a dining hall where she worked. 201 00:09:20,266 --> 00:09:21,422 [Tim] Tony Searcy was dating 202 00:09:21,422 --> 00:09:23,266 [Tim] Tony Searcy was dating 203 00:09:23,266 --> 00:09:25,667 a girl that worked in the cafeteria. 204 00:09:25,667 --> 00:09:28,900 [Joey] The very night of Tricia Reitler's disappearance, 205 00:09:28,967 --> 00:09:31,367 Tony Searcy made a 9-1-1 call 206 00:09:31,367 --> 00:09:34,667 in which he was reporting a rival thief. 207 00:09:34,667 --> 00:09:36,600 Police believed that he was pointing 208 00:09:36,667 --> 00:09:38,166 the finger at someone else 209 00:09:38,166 --> 00:09:41,266 to avoid detection in the disappearance of Tricia Reitler. 210 00:09:41,266 --> 00:09:42,867 We bring him in. 211 00:09:45,367 --> 00:09:47,467 They thought he was trying to come up with an alibi, 212 00:09:47,467 --> 00:09:49,767 uh, throw the police off their investigation 213 00:09:49,767 --> 00:09:50,700 with this bogus claim. 214 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,166 [Tim] He felt like, 215 00:09:53,166 --> 00:09:55,900 he could do something like that, so, 216 00:09:55,967 --> 00:09:57,900 [Michael] They asked him to take a lie detector test. 217 00:09:57,967 --> 00:09:59,000 He took it, and he failed. 218 00:10:00,867 --> 00:10:02,100 [Tim] So that's when we called 219 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:04,467 the FBI, and had a second polygraph. 220 00:10:05,166 --> 00:10:06,667 Flunks that polygraph. 221 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,567 He became a person of interest. 222 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:14,467 And they decide to search Tom's car. 223 00:10:14,467 --> 00:10:16,266 Police had cadaver dogs 224 00:10:16,266 --> 00:10:18,400 sniff around his vehicle. 225 00:10:18,467 --> 00:10:20,467 [dogs sniffing] 226 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:24,266 Lo and behold, the cadaver dogs hit... 227 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,667 on Tony Searcy's trunk. 228 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,066 [Hillel] "Replace rear carpet in van. 229 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:50,967 Cut out stained carpet. 230 00:10:51,767 --> 00:10:53,900 Vacuum van thoroughly. 231 00:10:55,467 --> 00:10:57,166 Spray down chemicals. 232 00:10:57,900 --> 00:10:59,967 Wiped with Armor All. 233 00:11:02,066 --> 00:11:05,166 Burn paint and tarps. 234 00:11:05,166 --> 00:11:08,100 Buy new hacksaw blades. 235 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:09,847 Clean all tools with denatured alcohol. 236 00:11:09,847 --> 00:11:10,900 Clean all tools with denatured alcohol. 237 00:11:10,967 --> 00:11:12,467 Take tires off, 238 00:11:12,467 --> 00:11:15,166 and clean mud from under fenders. 239 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,500 [Joni] His eliminating 240 00:11:17,567 --> 00:11:20,266 forensic evidence that might be there. 241 00:11:20,266 --> 00:11:24,967 This is somebody who is looking for future victims. 242 00:11:24,967 --> 00:11:28,767 And reminding himself of cleaning up old ones. 243 00:11:28,767 --> 00:11:30,867 Clean up is about self-preservation. 244 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,000 And it's so that the offender 245 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,700 can continue on with his crimes. 246 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:42,000 [Casey] Tony Searcy 247 00:11:42,066 --> 00:11:43,367 is on the record and saying, 248 00:11:43,367 --> 00:11:44,800 "I've done a lot of bad stuff in my life 249 00:11:44,867 --> 00:11:46,667 but I didn't kill this woman." 250 00:11:46,667 --> 00:11:48,767 As part of the investigation, 251 00:11:48,767 --> 00:11:51,166 of Tony Searcy for the disappearance 252 00:11:51,166 --> 00:11:53,100 of Tricia Reitler, 253 00:11:53,166 --> 00:11:55,667 police had cadaver dogs sniff around 254 00:11:55,667 --> 00:11:56,700 his vehicle. 255 00:11:58,767 --> 00:12:01,266 Lo and behold, the cadaver dogs hit 256 00:12:01,266 --> 00:12:02,967 on Tony Searcy's trunk. 257 00:12:04,467 --> 00:12:05,967 [Donna] Your emotions are so, 258 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:09,847 twisted. You feel guilty for being excited 259 00:12:09,847 --> 00:12:10,467 twisted. You feel guilty for being excited 260 00:12:10,467 --> 00:12:14,100 that we may have found her scent, you know. 261 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,867 [Casey] The problem is that, in criminology, 262 00:12:16,867 --> 00:12:19,367 Tony Searcy has no history of violence. 263 00:12:19,367 --> 00:12:22,266 And even though it's possible that he's good for it, 264 00:12:22,266 --> 00:12:23,400 the truth is that, 265 00:12:23,467 --> 00:12:26,667 he doesn't have that long record of fantasy 266 00:12:26,667 --> 00:12:29,500 that would actually graduate to an abduction, 267 00:12:29,567 --> 00:12:31,967 a stalking, a kill, a rape. 268 00:12:32,667 --> 00:12:34,166 He's just a copper thief. 269 00:12:34,166 --> 00:12:36,667 [Joey] Cadaver dogs are trained 270 00:12:36,667 --> 00:12:39,000 to alert to enzymes in humans 271 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:39,847 that mimic the smell of copper. 272 00:12:39,847 --> 00:12:40,767 that mimic the smell of copper. 273 00:12:41,367 --> 00:12:42,567 And the problem was, 274 00:12:42,567 --> 00:12:44,567 that if Tony Searcy is a copper thief, 275 00:12:44,567 --> 00:12:46,567 he certainly would have copper 276 00:12:46,567 --> 00:12:48,500 in the back of his trunk 277 00:12:48,567 --> 00:12:51,767 that would have these cadaver dogs alerting to it. 278 00:12:51,767 --> 00:12:53,066 [Hillel] It's why the police 279 00:12:53,066 --> 00:12:54,867 became so suspicious of him. 280 00:12:56,166 --> 00:12:57,166 [Tim] Oh, I definitely 281 00:12:57,166 --> 00:12:58,767 thought he was the prime suspect. 282 00:12:58,767 --> 00:13:00,266 [chains jangling] 283 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:04,567 Tony was arrested about four weeks after 284 00:13:04,567 --> 00:13:06,100 Tricia went missing. 285 00:13:06,166 --> 00:13:07,967 But he was only charged with copper theft. 286 00:13:07,967 --> 00:13:09,266 Because that's all they could prove. 287 00:13:10,300 --> 00:13:12,000 [Tim] Tony Searcy was never charged 288 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,200 with any crime related to 289 00:13:14,266 --> 00:13:16,166 the abduction of Tricia Reitler. 290 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:18,600 Just to bring her home. 291 00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:21,800 [voice breaking] That's all we want. 292 00:13:21,867 --> 00:13:24,367 [Donna] Somebody has that one bit of information that we need. 293 00:13:25,567 --> 00:13:28,367 And put an end to the nightmare that we're living. 294 00:13:28,367 --> 00:13:29,400 [cannon roars] 295 00:13:29,467 --> 00:13:30,500 [gun firing] 296 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,567 [Michael] The first time I met Larry Hall 297 00:13:34,567 --> 00:13:36,100 was a Civil War reenactment 298 00:13:36,667 --> 00:13:38,767 in Rochester, Indiana. 299 00:13:38,767 --> 00:13:39,847 Then Gary, a few months later. 300 00:13:39,847 --> 00:13:40,967 Then Gary, a few months later. 301 00:13:42,567 --> 00:13:46,266 [Hillel] Larry and Gary were identical twins. 302 00:13:46,266 --> 00:13:49,600 They very much got into Civil War reenactment. 303 00:13:52,867 --> 00:13:53,900 [cannon roars] 304 00:13:53,967 --> 00:13:55,266 [Hillel] They were so authentic, 305 00:13:55,266 --> 00:14:01,767 that they were recruited to attend, uh, and be extras 306 00:14:01,767 --> 00:14:04,467 in the filming of two Civil War movies. 307 00:14:04,467 --> 00:14:06,667 One was Glory, 308 00:14:06,667 --> 00:14:08,600 and the other was Gettysburg. 309 00:14:08,667 --> 00:14:09,847 Now, ultimately, 310 00:14:09,847 --> 00:14:10,100 Now, ultimately, 311 00:14:10,166 --> 00:14:12,000 the only one of the twins you can see 312 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,066 is just a glimpse of Gary in Gettysburg. 313 00:14:17,066 --> 00:14:19,066 [upbeat music playing] 314 00:14:21,266 --> 00:14:24,367 I noticed, Larry was more of a follower in a way. 315 00:14:24,367 --> 00:14:29,166 He wasn't fastest in speaking, 316 00:14:29,166 --> 00:14:31,000 had to stop and think for a few moments. 317 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,467 He was very easy to approach to talk to, 318 00:14:35,467 --> 00:14:38,166 but he would never open up the conversation. 319 00:14:39,867 --> 00:14:40,834 I felt that 320 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:45,367 Gary was more dominating over Larry. 321 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:51,367 With a lot of the reenactments and with the movies, 322 00:14:51,367 --> 00:14:54,066 it often meant a road trip. 323 00:14:54,066 --> 00:14:58,066 They're travelling in places all around the country. 324 00:14:58,066 --> 00:15:01,367 [Michael] There was that brother camaraderie 325 00:15:01,367 --> 00:15:03,900 in their travel to reenactments. 326 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,066 There was one instance, 327 00:15:07,066 --> 00:15:09,847 in the van, that really 328 00:15:09,847 --> 00:15:11,166 in the van, that really 329 00:15:11,166 --> 00:15:12,300 sticks in my mind. 330 00:15:13,767 --> 00:15:15,567 Larry and Gary were sitting up front. 331 00:15:16,367 --> 00:15:18,667 I was in the back seat and, 332 00:15:18,667 --> 00:15:21,100 Gary reaches down underneath him, 333 00:15:21,166 --> 00:15:24,100 and pulled out a pair of woman's underpants. 334 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,400 He looked at his brother Larry, 335 00:15:28,467 --> 00:15:30,100 and said, "What's this doing here?" 336 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:32,467 I just thought at that time, 337 00:15:32,467 --> 00:15:34,400 it was just joke on each other. 338 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:39,847 Larry shrugged off, and kind of played it back, about, 339 00:15:39,847 --> 00:15:40,266 Larry shrugged off, and kind of played it back, about, 340 00:15:40,266 --> 00:15:43,000 "You're married. You have a wife. You planted it there." 341 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,266 Looking back, 342 00:15:48,567 --> 00:15:51,467 it is very disturbing to think about. 343 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:54,166 It all adds up. 344 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,900 [Hillel] Larry and Gary Hall. 345 00:16:04,967 --> 00:16:07,300 Their upbringing was kind of strange, 346 00:16:07,367 --> 00:16:09,847 in that their father was actually the grave digger 347 00:16:09,847 --> 00:16:10,500 in that their father was actually the grave digger 348 00:16:11,266 --> 00:16:13,100 at this historic 349 00:16:13,166 --> 00:16:16,166 tiny, little cemetery on a hill. 350 00:16:17,367 --> 00:16:19,967 And part of the benefits of that job, 351 00:16:19,967 --> 00:16:21,100 is that they lived in this 352 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:23,266 big clapboard house 353 00:16:23,266 --> 00:16:26,166 overlooking the cemetery on one side. 354 00:16:26,166 --> 00:16:29,900 [Ron] I'm sure their peers would have thought it was creepy, 355 00:16:29,967 --> 00:16:32,867 I do believe that one time I heard the house, 356 00:16:33,567 --> 00:16:36,100 inside was rather messy. 357 00:16:36,166 --> 00:16:37,600 [Hillel] One of their friends said it was like, 358 00:16:37,667 --> 00:16:39,367 "Living inside of a rummage sale." 359 00:16:40,266 --> 00:16:41,800 [Casey] The parents were hoarders. 360 00:16:41,867 --> 00:16:45,467 There was stuff piled to the ceiling in every room. 361 00:16:45,467 --> 00:16:49,266 The fact that they lived in a hellhole of a house, 362 00:16:49,266 --> 00:16:51,000 probably, had a huge impact 363 00:16:51,066 --> 00:16:53,367 on their development growing up, 364 00:16:53,367 --> 00:16:55,266 and the way they perceive the outside world. 365 00:16:56,567 --> 00:16:58,400 [Hillel] Their father Robert, 366 00:16:58,467 --> 00:17:02,166 always had kind of the smell of beer on his breath. 367 00:17:02,166 --> 00:17:04,667 The boys were actually terrified of him. 368 00:17:04,667 --> 00:17:08,000 The relationship that Larry had 369 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,847 with his mother was, some would say, smothering. 370 00:17:09,847 --> 00:17:12,800 with his mother was, some would say, smothering. 371 00:17:12,867 --> 00:17:17,767 The mother's smothering affection for the son 372 00:17:17,767 --> 00:17:20,767 gets in the way of him having a normal relationship 373 00:17:21,367 --> 00:17:22,467 with a female. 374 00:17:23,367 --> 00:17:24,900 And that was definitely, 375 00:17:24,967 --> 00:17:27,467 a part of Larry's problem. 376 00:17:29,567 --> 00:17:33,100 He has a very unusual relationship 377 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:36,000 toward my mother. And to this day, 378 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,767 he'll talk to Mom almost 379 00:17:37,767 --> 00:17:39,847 as if she's his girlfriend 380 00:17:39,847 --> 00:17:40,200 as if she's his girlfriend 381 00:17:40,266 --> 00:17:41,967 rather than his mother. 382 00:17:43,066 --> 00:17:45,200 It's spooky. It's creepy. 383 00:17:49,567 --> 00:17:52,100 [Joey] Eight months after Tricia's disappearance, 384 00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:55,166 a farmer in Indiana would make a grisly discovery. 385 00:17:55,166 --> 00:17:56,900 [crows cawing] 386 00:17:57,500 --> 00:17:59,800 [machinery whirring] 387 00:17:59,867 --> 00:18:02,266 [Michael] In November 8th, 1993, 388 00:18:02,266 --> 00:18:05,066 a farmer in Perrysville, Indiana 389 00:18:05,066 --> 00:18:07,367 was working this huge cornfield 390 00:18:07,367 --> 00:18:09,600 with his combine, when he spotted 391 00:18:09,667 --> 00:18:09,847 something unusual. 392 00:18:09,847 --> 00:18:10,767 something unusual. 393 00:18:12,166 --> 00:18:13,967 As he was cutting 394 00:18:13,967 --> 00:18:16,667 through one of the rows of corn, 395 00:18:16,667 --> 00:18:20,166 he looked down from his tractor, 396 00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:23,100 and saw a dark object. 397 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,100 He got down to see what it was. 398 00:18:27,166 --> 00:18:29,367 Maybe at first thought, it was an animal. 399 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:31,367 Then to his horror, 400 00:18:32,266 --> 00:18:35,000 saw it was in fact a body. 401 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:37,367 [John] So he calls police. 402 00:18:38,867 --> 00:18:39,847 The first thig police believe is, 403 00:18:39,847 --> 00:18:40,467 The first thig police believe is, 404 00:18:41,100 --> 00:18:42,567 this could be Reitler. 405 00:18:42,567 --> 00:18:45,767 The autopsy revealed that, uh, she had 406 00:18:45,767 --> 00:18:47,767 a broken jaw. 407 00:18:47,767 --> 00:18:49,567 [Casey] Forensic investigators 408 00:18:49,567 --> 00:18:53,300 concluded that she most likely died of strangulation. 409 00:18:53,367 --> 00:18:55,667 [Hillel] Given the amount of decomposition, 410 00:18:56,266 --> 00:18:58,100 the challenge was 411 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:00,667 identifying the body. 412 00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:17,667 Welcome back to Very Scary People. 413 00:19:17,667 --> 00:19:19,900 After a college co-ed is snatched off campus 414 00:19:19,967 --> 00:19:21,266 in a bloody ambush, 415 00:19:21,266 --> 00:19:23,467 and the body of a girl is found callously dumped 416 00:19:23,467 --> 00:19:24,967 in a cornfield, 417 00:19:24,967 --> 00:19:28,567 fear is spreading that there is a serial killer on the loose. 418 00:19:28,567 --> 00:19:30,700 Detectives are closing in on a person of interest, 419 00:19:30,767 --> 00:19:32,300 who raised suspicions. 420 00:19:32,367 --> 00:19:34,900 But there are also serious doubts he actually did it. 421 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,300 Did police get the right guy? 422 00:19:40,467 --> 00:19:43,266 [man] "I feel a calling from deep inside. 423 00:19:43,266 --> 00:19:45,100 Sometimes so strong that it's hard to hide. 424 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:49,567 Take buck knife. 425 00:19:49,567 --> 00:19:51,467 Gloves, mask, 426 00:19:51,467 --> 00:19:52,467 two new plates. 427 00:19:53,266 --> 00:19:55,000 Buy two more leather belts. 428 00:19:56,266 --> 00:19:58,000 Seeing several singles walking. 429 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,266 Teenage, close to country. 430 00:20:01,967 --> 00:20:03,266 Find them now." 431 00:20:14,667 --> 00:20:15,767 [Loren] In the early '90s, 432 00:20:15,767 --> 00:20:18,867 we actually lived outside of Georgetown, Illinois. 433 00:20:18,867 --> 00:20:20,867 Probably about eight miles or so, out in the country. 434 00:20:21,967 --> 00:20:24,000 Most people knew each other and were friendly. 435 00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:26,800 People didn't even lock their doors. 436 00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:33,667 [mother] Jessie, she was really a good kid. Very shy most of the time. 437 00:20:33,667 --> 00:20:36,100 We had a lot of pictures of the back of her head 438 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:38,522 because she just didn't want her picture taken that often. 439 00:20:38,522 --> 00:20:38,900 because she just didn't want her picture taken that often. 440 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:42,767 She wanted to be a pilot. 441 00:20:42,767 --> 00:20:45,100 She wanted to fly jets. 442 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:47,367 Which I thought was so unusual. 443 00:20:47,367 --> 00:20:50,266 She was always smiling or laughing. 444 00:20:50,266 --> 00:20:51,867 That's the stuff you love. 445 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:58,767 September 20, 1993 446 00:20:59,266 --> 00:21:00,467 was a Monday. 447 00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:05,367 [Casey] 15 year-old Jessica Roach was out riding her 448 00:21:05,367 --> 00:21:08,522 prized mountain bike along a rural road. 449 00:21:08,522 --> 00:21:08,700 prized mountain bike along a rural road. 450 00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:15,000 [John] And her sister decides she's going to go into town and drives by. 451 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,700 Sees her sister walking the bike on the road. 452 00:21:17,767 --> 00:21:21,367 [Myndi] It's a normal sunny day. She pulled off. 453 00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:25,800 Stood there, watched me drive by. Waved real smiley and waved. 454 00:21:25,867 --> 00:21:29,166 And I looked in the rearview mirror and she was walking her bicycle. 455 00:21:29,166 --> 00:21:33,166 And then I stopped at the sign and turned the corner. 456 00:21:35,767 --> 00:21:38,367 That was the last time I saw Jessica. 457 00:21:41,166 --> 00:21:44,000 When I came home, her bicycle was lying in the middle of the road. 458 00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:48,000 Jessica is missing. No one can find her. 459 00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:50,100 [Loren] She was gone. 460 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:53,667 My husband called and he says, 461 00:21:53,667 --> 00:21:55,800 one of our daughters is missing. 462 00:21:55,867 --> 00:21:59,600 I remember just getting real quiet. 463 00:21:59,667 --> 00:22:03,100 And feeling just kinda cold. 464 00:22:03,166 --> 00:22:06,400 I immediately knew something serious had happened. 465 00:22:08,767 --> 00:22:10,266 -Here? -Yeah. 466 00:22:12,266 --> 00:22:13,767 There's something not right here. 467 00:22:13,767 --> 00:22:15,767 We don't have just a missing person. 468 00:22:15,767 --> 00:22:16,967 There was foul play. 469 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,367 The search went on for three days. 470 00:22:23,367 --> 00:22:26,400 [Terry] With each day that passed, there was less and less hope. 471 00:22:26,467 --> 00:22:27,567 [sobbing] 472 00:22:27,567 --> 00:22:30,467 [Loren] I can tell you that that third day, 473 00:22:31,266 --> 00:22:32,867 I knew she wasn't coming home. 474 00:22:33,667 --> 00:22:34,900 To me, she's a sweetheart. 475 00:22:35,767 --> 00:22:38,166 But what can I say? 476 00:22:38,667 --> 00:22:40,367 I'm her grandpa. 477 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:48,100 [Gary] We knew of people in the area that we thought would be capable of 478 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:50,100 sexual assaults and things like that. 479 00:22:50,166 --> 00:22:53,400 But as far as an actual kidnapping, 480 00:22:54,767 --> 00:22:58,567 we had not experienced that in this county to my knowledge. 481 00:23:06,066 --> 00:23:08,522 [Loren] To me, it was almost like a random thing. 482 00:23:08,522 --> 00:23:08,867 [Loren] To me, it was almost like a random thing. 483 00:23:08,867 --> 00:23:11,367 This man was in town 484 00:23:12,467 --> 00:23:14,667 and probably scoping out the school. 485 00:23:14,667 --> 00:23:17,900 Jessie was a type that he liked. 486 00:23:17,967 --> 00:23:20,467 And I feel like he followed her home from school. 487 00:23:23,567 --> 00:23:27,400 We basically had no leads 488 00:23:27,467 --> 00:23:31,500 and that continued on for several weeks. 489 00:23:31,567 --> 00:23:34,567 [reporter] This week, a body was found in a farmer's cornfield. 490 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:38,522 Two months later, across the state lines in Indiana, 491 00:23:38,522 --> 00:23:42,000 Two months later, across the state lines in Indiana, 492 00:23:42,066 --> 00:23:45,100 a local farmer is simply ploughing his cornfields 493 00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:49,266 when he sees from the top of his tractor, something dark. 494 00:23:49,266 --> 00:23:52,800 He is absolutely horrified to discover a dead body. 495 00:23:56,300 --> 00:24:01,400 [reporter] Police in Indiana say the body found may be that of Tricia Riddler of Ohio 496 00:24:01,467 --> 00:24:05,000 who went to Indiana Wesleyan University in Marion. 497 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,200 Everyone including the family thought, okay, this could be her because 498 00:24:08,266 --> 00:24:08,522 it was the right area. It was a young woman. 499 00:24:08,522 --> 00:24:12,567 it was the right area. It was a young woman. 500 00:24:12,567 --> 00:24:16,367 [reporter 2] On the day we visited, the got one of many calls from Marion Police, 501 00:24:16,367 --> 00:24:20,000 alerting them another body has been found in rural Indiana. 502 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,266 It's not Tricia. 503 00:24:21,266 --> 00:24:24,200 But it is another emotional reminder. 504 00:24:24,266 --> 00:24:28,367 That feeling of that loss and not being able to... 505 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,700 bring her home. 506 00:24:34,467 --> 00:24:37,567 [Gary] They positively ID'd the fingerprints 507 00:24:37,567 --> 00:24:38,522 as being those of Jessica Roach. 508 00:24:38,522 --> 00:24:40,867 as being those of Jessica Roach. 509 00:24:40,867 --> 00:24:44,767 [Myndi] As much as we didn't want it to be her, at the same time, I did. 510 00:24:44,767 --> 00:24:48,567 So we could say our goodbyes and that was closure 511 00:24:48,567 --> 00:24:52,767 for me, knowing that we found her and she's not suffering. 512 00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:55,867 We at least knew where she was now. 513 00:24:58,100 --> 00:25:01,166 [Gary] Cause of death was the strangulation. 514 00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:05,567 The body had nothing that would help us identify an individual 515 00:25:06,166 --> 00:25:07,300 that had been involved. 516 00:25:07,367 --> 00:25:08,522 It could be a drifter from a million miles away, 517 00:25:08,522 --> 00:25:10,967 It could be a drifter from a million miles away, 518 00:25:10,967 --> 00:25:14,200 who covers a lot of miles doing things like this. 519 00:25:14,266 --> 00:25:17,467 That offender is a real challenge. 520 00:25:17,467 --> 00:25:21,700 [Hillel] Clearly with Jessica Roach, it was very impulsive. 521 00:25:21,767 --> 00:25:25,800 He saw this girl in what seemed like the middle of nowhere. 522 00:25:25,867 --> 00:25:28,367 She looked extremely vulnerable. 523 00:25:28,367 --> 00:25:31,567 He decided to take advantage of that. 524 00:25:31,567 --> 00:25:36,066 [Gary] The fact that their girl was basically taken off of her bike. 525 00:25:36,066 --> 00:25:38,522 The body was left in a cornfield. 526 00:25:38,522 --> 00:25:39,100 The body was left in a cornfield. 527 00:25:39,166 --> 00:25:41,367 It's just such a desolate area. 528 00:25:41,367 --> 00:25:43,800 That had me completely stumped. 529 00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:51,000 And suddenly, there's a potential clue. 530 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,066 There's a witness who sees a distinctive-looking stranger 531 00:25:55,066 --> 00:25:57,500 walking out of a cornfield. 532 00:25:57,567 --> 00:26:01,867 Right around the time when Jessica Roach went off the radar screens. 533 00:26:01,867 --> 00:26:05,166 What I recall seeing was a man coming out of the cornfield. 534 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,000 He had a stocky build, 535 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:08,522 a rounded face, an obvious chin. 536 00:26:08,522 --> 00:26:11,600 a rounded face, an obvious chin. 537 00:26:11,667 --> 00:26:17,367 This would've been the same timeframe when we believe the body was put in the cornfield. 538 00:26:17,867 --> 00:26:19,533 Late at night. 539 00:26:39,667 --> 00:26:43,667 [Kaylen] 13 year-olds should not have to worry about being kidnapped. 540 00:26:44,967 --> 00:26:46,166 Our doors were never locked. 541 00:26:46,166 --> 00:26:50,367 You know, it just changes life as we knew it. 542 00:26:50,367 --> 00:26:51,467 We were terrified. 543 00:26:53,266 --> 00:26:57,266 [John] In May of 1994, a spring day, 544 00:26:57,266 --> 00:26:58,086 two teenage girls riding their bike 545 00:26:58,086 --> 00:26:59,700 two teenage girls riding their bike 546 00:27:00,467 --> 00:27:01,867 notice a van. 547 00:27:04,266 --> 00:27:08,667 [Kaylen] We were riding our bikes, and... 548 00:27:08,667 --> 00:27:14,867 I just hear this loud van go by and he slowed down and, like, stared at us. 549 00:27:17,867 --> 00:27:20,000 I was like, I think that he's... he's... 550 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,867 following, like, he's looking at us, watching us. 551 00:27:21,867 --> 00:27:25,400 And then he came at us in the opposite direction and he did it again. 552 00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:28,086 Let's go. We gotta get outta here. 553 00:27:28,086 --> 00:27:28,166 Let's go. We gotta get outta here. 554 00:27:28,166 --> 00:27:30,300 -We took off as fast as our legs would move. -We bolted. 555 00:27:32,867 --> 00:27:35,567 He took off following right behind us. 556 00:27:35,567 --> 00:27:38,800 [Kaylen] We could hear the gravel being thrown. He was right there. 557 00:27:38,867 --> 00:27:41,467 I was scared that he was gonna hit or try to knock her over. 558 00:27:41,467 --> 00:27:46,367 All I could see were his headlights 'cause he was right there behind us. 559 00:27:46,367 --> 00:27:50,867 We cut down an alley where his van was not going to be able to fit through. 560 00:27:50,867 --> 00:27:55,200 And we just took off riding as fast as we could to get back to her house. 561 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,086 He had dark hair, and... 562 00:27:58,086 --> 00:27:59,400 He had dark hair, and... 563 00:27:59,467 --> 00:28:02,300 I guess, a bushy facial hair or beard. 564 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:07,200 It's the most terrifying thing that's ever happened to me in my life. 565 00:28:13,467 --> 00:28:15,967 [Ron] Larry was kind of a loner. 566 00:28:15,967 --> 00:28:17,266 Was very quiet. 567 00:28:17,867 --> 00:28:18,967 Stayed to himself. 568 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,567 I always saw them together 569 00:28:22,567 --> 00:28:24,200 when they were younger. 570 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,086 Gary was more outgoing than his twin brother 571 00:28:28,086 --> 00:28:30,266 Gary was more outgoing than his twin brother 572 00:28:30,266 --> 00:28:33,467 and Larry seemed to follow his lead more. 573 00:28:33,467 --> 00:28:37,266 I was the more dominant, outgoing twin. 574 00:28:37,266 --> 00:28:40,700 And I think he was jealous of that. 575 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,200 [Hillel] Larry and Gary, as they grew up, 576 00:28:45,266 --> 00:28:48,467 they did show a lack of respect for authority. 577 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:51,367 It turned into vandalism. 578 00:28:51,367 --> 00:28:53,567 They were grilled by the police, 579 00:28:53,567 --> 00:28:58,086 and the police were kind of amazed at how hardened they were 580 00:28:58,086 --> 00:28:59,300 and the police were kind of amazed at how hardened they were 581 00:28:59,367 --> 00:29:01,867 in answering interrogations. 582 00:29:01,867 --> 00:29:04,100 Not saying who did it. 583 00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:11,000 Larry did help set fire to several buildings in town. 584 00:29:11,066 --> 00:29:12,767 In fact, he was even arrested. 585 00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:27,767 Larry and Gary were inseparable. They were very close. 586 00:29:27,767 --> 00:29:28,086 They're brothers. They're best friends. They're constant companions. 587 00:29:28,086 --> 00:29:31,600 They're brothers. They're best friends. They're constant companions. 588 00:29:31,667 --> 00:29:34,567 In 1984, Robert was fired. 589 00:29:34,567 --> 00:29:37,867 [Ron] Their father lost his job in the cemetery. 590 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:41,867 He was fired not only for drinking, 591 00:29:41,867 --> 00:29:47,967 but he had on occasion, buried people in the wrong place in the cemetery. 592 00:29:47,967 --> 00:29:53,300 [Hillel] Once he was let go, the family left his big giant house, 593 00:29:53,367 --> 00:29:57,967 and ended up in a very tiny one-bedroom house. 594 00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,367 Gary went to live with his girlfriend. 595 00:30:02,367 --> 00:30:07,467 And this was an extremely traumatic event for Larry. 596 00:30:07,467 --> 00:30:10,166 Because Larry was a very shy kid. 597 00:30:10,166 --> 00:30:14,667 And his best friend, his partner in crime, so to speak, 598 00:30:14,667 --> 00:30:16,667 was his twin brother Gary. 599 00:30:18,367 --> 00:30:22,567 And suddenly there was just this huge void in his life. 600 00:30:22,567 --> 00:30:25,900 [Ron] Larry was janitor at the bank. 601 00:30:25,967 --> 00:30:28,086 He cleaned foreclosed or houses for sale. 602 00:30:28,086 --> 00:30:30,567 He cleaned foreclosed or houses for sale. 603 00:30:32,667 --> 00:30:36,767 This was a very lonely individual 604 00:30:36,767 --> 00:30:42,166 who got deeply into the hobbies he pursued. 605 00:30:42,166 --> 00:30:45,467 If Gary was interested in something, then Larry had to be. 606 00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:52,166 They became interested in civil war reenactments. 607 00:30:52,166 --> 00:30:57,266 This was the perfect excuse to grow these bug bushy mutton chop sideburns 608 00:30:57,266 --> 00:30:58,086 of which he was very proud. 609 00:30:58,086 --> 00:30:58,500 of which he was very proud. 610 00:31:02,066 --> 00:31:06,100 In 1987,Gary gets married. 611 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:11,100 [Michael] He had a child, and he had a job. 612 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:17,266 And that kinda puts hard on doing civil reenactments because it's a weekend thing. 613 00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:20,100 Larry, he was not married. 614 00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,667 He lived at home with his parents. 615 00:31:24,266 --> 00:31:27,367 So therefore, Larry had more freedom 616 00:31:27,967 --> 00:31:28,086 to do civil war enacting. 617 00:31:28,086 --> 00:31:31,100 to do civil war enacting. 618 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:34,900 [Hillel] He went as far away as Wyoming, and Colorado and California. 619 00:31:34,967 --> 00:31:41,066 And Missouri, in addition to Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin. 620 00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:45,266 There was a time when Larry went to reenactments by himself. 621 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,667 When we left reenactments, 622 00:31:49,667 --> 00:31:51,367 everybody went their own way. 623 00:31:55,266 --> 00:31:58,086 [John] At this point, you have two homicides across borders of two states, 624 00:31:58,086 --> 00:32:01,467 [John] At this point, you have two homicides across borders of two states, 625 00:32:01,467 --> 00:32:06,000 in a fairly small area, that are apparently connected. 626 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,467 And not any leads that are gonna take them anywhere. 627 00:32:11,467 --> 00:32:16,100 And then there's a car stop and that changes everything. 628 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:20,967 Almost exactly one year since the day that Tricia Reitler disappeared, 629 00:32:20,967 --> 00:32:25,467 two more teenage girls report being stalked by a man in a van. 630 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,086 These girls go and notify their father. 631 00:32:28,086 --> 00:32:32,166 These girls go and notify their father. 632 00:32:32,166 --> 00:32:34,667 They've got his license plate number. 633 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,367 [Michael] When police pull the van over, 634 00:32:38,367 --> 00:32:42,600 and the police officer saw a bunch of objects that were pretty chilling. 635 00:32:43,767 --> 00:32:46,467 [Casey] A hunting knife, a coil of rope, 636 00:32:46,467 --> 00:32:49,300 some lighter fluid and a wad of cotton. 637 00:32:49,367 --> 00:32:52,266 And most chilling of all, 638 00:32:52,266 --> 00:32:55,000 the missing poster for Tricia Reitler. 639 00:32:58,066 --> 00:32:58,086 [Hillel] He sees newspaper clippings about Tricia Reitler's abduction, 640 00:32:58,086 --> 00:33:03,166 [Hillel] He sees newspaper clippings about Tricia Reitler's abduction, 641 00:33:03,166 --> 00:33:07,000 letterhead for Indiana Wesleyan University, 642 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,700 but with her name all over it. 643 00:33:11,066 --> 00:33:15,500 So, I guess, city people thought "We got the guy." 644 00:33:16,767 --> 00:33:17,867 [John] Police talk to the driver. 645 00:33:18,667 --> 00:33:20,767 He's a guy named Larry Hall. 646 00:33:20,767 --> 00:33:23,100 When he's questioned by detectives... 647 00:33:23,166 --> 00:33:28,086 [Ron] Larry engages with them about "I dreamt this." 648 00:33:28,086 --> 00:33:28,166 [Ron] Larry engages with them about "I dreamt this." 649 00:33:28,166 --> 00:33:31,300 I may have done it. I may not have done it. 650 00:33:31,367 --> 00:33:36,066 Larry said he would show them where she was buried. 651 00:33:37,567 --> 00:33:40,367 But then just kinda had them driving in circles. 652 00:33:41,867 --> 00:33:45,467 Which really upset the officers. 653 00:33:45,467 --> 00:33:48,800 [John] And at this point, detectives are starting to have their doubts. 654 00:33:48,867 --> 00:33:51,266 This guy isn't even sure he's the guy who did it. 655 00:33:51,266 --> 00:33:54,667 They reach out to Larry Hall's hometown. 656 00:33:54,667 --> 00:33:57,767 And there's a detective who's known him for 20 years. 657 00:33:57,767 --> 00:33:58,086 "Who? Larry Hall? He's just an odd duck. He's totally harmless. 658 00:33:58,086 --> 00:34:02,166 "Who? Larry Hall? He's just an odd duck. He's totally harmless. 659 00:34:02,166 --> 00:34:05,667 That's not gonna be your guy." 660 00:34:05,667 --> 00:34:10,100 [Hillel] This made them feel he was just a wannabe wasting their time. 661 00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:11,567 And they let Larry go. 662 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,767 [Gary] False confessions. I think it's common. 663 00:34:15,767 --> 00:34:18,667 I think most police officers have dealt with that. 664 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,767 [Michael] Almost every time you get a big murder case, 665 00:34:22,767 --> 00:34:26,900 people come forward to confess even though they've had nothing to do with it. 666 00:34:26,967 --> 00:34:28,086 They're enthralled by the publicity. 667 00:34:28,086 --> 00:34:30,000 They're enthralled by the publicity. 668 00:34:30,066 --> 00:34:32,667 And they want something in their life so bad that they 669 00:34:32,667 --> 00:34:35,000 convince themselves that they've done it. 670 00:34:35,066 --> 00:34:38,300 And it's really kinda sad, but there are people out there who do that. 671 00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:47,867 [John] Larry Hall is one of two twins. 672 00:34:47,867 --> 00:34:50,567 He and his brother. Larry and Gary. 673 00:34:50,567 --> 00:34:52,567 They're born in 1962. 674 00:34:55,667 --> 00:34:57,767 [Larry] Larry was born blue. 675 00:34:57,767 --> 00:34:58,086 Being born blue is a clear indication that you're not getting enough oxygen. 676 00:34:58,086 --> 00:35:01,767 Being born blue is a clear indication that you're not getting enough oxygen. 677 00:35:01,767 --> 00:35:05,467 [Hillel] His mother had some problems in birth. 678 00:35:05,467 --> 00:35:11,100 What we now call twin to twin transfusion syndrome. 679 00:35:11,166 --> 00:35:16,367 TTTS is a fascinating complication of a twin pregnancy. 680 00:35:16,367 --> 00:35:19,266 You have two babies sharing a single placenta. 681 00:35:19,266 --> 00:35:24,000 What ends up happening is that one twin sends blood to the other. 682 00:35:24,066 --> 00:35:27,100 But the recipient can't return it. 683 00:35:27,166 --> 00:35:28,086 Larry is continuously giving away these precious resources and the oxygen to Gary. 684 00:35:28,086 --> 00:35:32,567 Larry is continuously giving away these precious resources and the oxygen to Gary. 685 00:35:32,567 --> 00:35:36,467 But Gary is hoarding them and unable to give them back to Larry. 686 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:39,500 It's almost like a parasitic situation. 687 00:35:39,567 --> 00:35:47,266 [Larry] Larry comes out at delivery really small, thin, lean, blue. 688 00:35:47,266 --> 00:35:50,000 Totally deprived of, you know, the normal resources 689 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,900 that he would need to develop normally. 690 00:35:52,967 --> 00:35:57,867 Basically brain damage that can follow that child throughout his life. 691 00:35:59,367 --> 00:36:01,266 [Ron] Gary was always sharper. 692 00:36:01,967 --> 00:36:03,667 I'll put it that way. 693 00:36:03,667 --> 00:36:07,400 [Larry] There's an entire class of disorders related to 694 00:36:07,467 --> 00:36:11,266 personality, behavior, attention, 695 00:36:11,266 --> 00:36:15,066 hyperactivity, social and awkward social behavior. 696 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:20,100 And this is how Larry Dwayne Hall was born into this world. 697 00:36:22,867 --> 00:36:27,800 [Gary] I laid the picture down on the table in front of us 698 00:36:27,867 --> 00:36:28,086 and I said, how about this girl? Do you remember ever talking to her? 699 00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:31,166 and I said, how about this girl? Do you remember ever talking to her? 700 00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:33,166 He flinched. 701 00:36:47,166 --> 00:36:52,000 [Casey] In November of 1994, the lead detective, Gary Miller, 702 00:36:52,066 --> 00:36:57,667 is still trying hard to figure out who killed Jessica Roach. 703 00:36:57,667 --> 00:37:02,000 A year after Jessica's body had been found, 704 00:37:02,066 --> 00:37:06,900 there was a complaint in the two of Georgetown. 705 00:37:06,967 --> 00:37:09,864 There's a new report of a guy in a van, stalking girls. 706 00:37:09,864 --> 00:37:11,567 There's a new report of a guy in a van, stalking girls. 707 00:37:11,567 --> 00:37:15,367 [Gary] The license plate came back to Larry Hall. 708 00:37:15,367 --> 00:37:17,867 So I just picked up the phone. 709 00:37:17,867 --> 00:37:21,266 Called the Wolbach police department. 710 00:37:21,266 --> 00:37:23,567 He said, "Well, one thing with Larry is, 711 00:37:23,567 --> 00:37:28,100 if you've had a civil war reenactment, he would be there." 712 00:37:30,266 --> 00:37:34,300 I started looking. And in the rural area outside of Georgetown, 713 00:37:34,367 --> 00:37:39,166 they had had a revolutionary war reenactment 714 00:37:39,166 --> 00:37:39,864 on Sunday before the Monday that Jessica was abducted. 715 00:37:39,864 --> 00:37:42,100 on Sunday before the Monday that Jessica was abducted. 716 00:37:44,467 --> 00:37:47,600 I certainly thought it should be followed up. 717 00:37:49,266 --> 00:37:53,867 So he goes to Indiana to interview Larry Hall. 718 00:37:53,867 --> 00:37:58,100 [Gary] I had a picture, it was a school picture of Jessica Roach. 719 00:37:58,166 --> 00:38:03,000 And I laid the picture down on the table in front of us. 720 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,400 And I said, "Do you ever remember talking to her?" 721 00:38:06,467 --> 00:38:09,864 And Larry immediately flinched to the right. Turned his head. 722 00:38:09,864 --> 00:38:10,300 And Larry immediately flinched to the right. Turned his head. 723 00:38:12,467 --> 00:38:15,300 A lot of detective work is intuitive. 724 00:38:15,367 --> 00:38:19,367 In this particular case, Larry Hall's reaction wasn't even subtle. 725 00:38:19,367 --> 00:38:23,767 He immediately showed recognition of the girl in that picture. 726 00:38:23,767 --> 00:38:25,667 The murder victim, Jessica Roach. 727 00:38:29,767 --> 00:38:32,266 On November 15th, 1994, 728 00:38:32,266 --> 00:38:37,166 Miller returns with FBI polygrapher Michael Randolph. 729 00:38:37,166 --> 00:38:38,900 [Gary] He didn't wanna take the polygraph. 730 00:38:38,967 --> 00:38:39,864 I stepped out and Mike began talking to him. 731 00:38:39,864 --> 00:38:43,467 I stepped out and Mike began talking to him. 732 00:38:43,467 --> 00:38:48,000 [Casey] Randolph gains the trust of Larry Hall and engages him in conversation. 733 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,166 Larry Hall tells Michael Randolph, "I'm ready. I'm ready to confess." 734 00:38:56,700 --> 00:39:01,266 [Hillel] Here is the statement that agent Randolph took down. 735 00:39:01,266 --> 00:39:07,066 It starts, "I recall I was in Illinois for the revolutionary war reenactment. 736 00:39:07,066 --> 00:39:09,864 I was on the road and there was a girl walking a bike. 737 00:39:09,864 --> 00:39:11,567 I was on the road and there was a girl walking a bike. 738 00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:14,300 I stopped and talked to her. 739 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:21,667 I had to grab her, because she wouldn't have gotten in by herself. 740 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,667 Since I usually kept starting fluid in rags, 741 00:39:26,667 --> 00:39:29,200 I might have used these on her. 742 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,667 I tied her up. But I can't remember with what. 743 00:39:33,667 --> 00:39:35,867 I remember taking her pants off. 744 00:39:36,667 --> 00:39:38,467 I took my pants off. 745 00:39:38,467 --> 00:39:39,864 And had sex with her." 746 00:39:39,864 --> 00:39:40,500 And had sex with her." 747 00:39:44,266 --> 00:39:50,667 [Gary] He said that he took her to an extremely wooded area by a river. 748 00:39:50,667 --> 00:39:54,200 [Hillel] "I laid her up against a tree. 749 00:39:54,266 --> 00:39:57,166 And put a belt around her neck. 750 00:39:57,166 --> 00:39:58,567 Then she stopped breathing. 751 00:39:59,567 --> 00:40:04,000 I just do things. I am not in control. 752 00:40:04,066 --> 00:40:07,867 This was one of those times when I was not in control. 753 00:40:07,867 --> 00:40:09,367 I have nightmares 754 00:40:09,367 --> 00:40:09,864 where I remember these murders." 755 00:40:09,864 --> 00:40:12,200 where I remember these murders." 756 00:40:12,266 --> 00:40:15,200 [Casey] It was almost as if once the floodgates opened, 757 00:40:15,266 --> 00:40:17,967 he was ready to tell them everything he knew. 758 00:40:17,967 --> 00:40:21,467 He confessed to killing a bunch of girls 759 00:40:21,467 --> 00:40:23,667 in the Midwest, from several states. 760 00:40:27,867 --> 00:40:31,867 And then recanted on all those confessions. 761 00:40:31,867 --> 00:40:34,667 And then Larry takes it back. "I didn't kill them." 762 00:40:34,667 --> 00:40:36,667 [Hillel] There was no forensic evidence... 763 00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:38,667 against Larry. 764 00:40:38,667 --> 00:40:39,864 How is this guy able to commit all these murders and not 765 00:40:39,864 --> 00:40:41,600 How is this guy able to commit all these murders and not 766 00:40:41,667 --> 00:40:45,200 leave one piece of physical evidence? 767 00:40:45,266 --> 00:40:49,300 Why would you confess to multiple murders if you didn't do them? 768 00:40:49,367 --> 00:40:51,266 [Casey] Was it a false confession? 769 00:40:51,266 --> 00:40:56,066 [reporter] He says he agreed with anything police said so they would let him go home. 770 00:40:56,066 --> 00:41:01,066 Or is he the greatest serial killer to never be convicted of any murder? 771 00:41:01,066 --> 00:41:04,100 The FBI is currently investigating Hall's possible 772 00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:06,000 involvement in other abductions. 773 00:41:06,066 --> 00:41:07,600 Hall could be a serial killer. 774 00:41:08,667 --> 00:41:09,864 I'm convinced. There is no question in my mind. 775 00:41:09,864 --> 00:41:11,900 I'm convinced. There is no question in my mind. 776 00:41:12,867 --> 00:41:15,200 He did exactly what he told me he did. 777 00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:19,667 I'm not a killer. You're just using me to solve all those crimes. 778 00:41:19,667 --> 00:41:21,667 I'm not a killer, okay? 779 00:41:24,767 --> 00:41:28,967 Larry Dwayne Hall was either responsible for the kidnapping, sexual assault 780 00:41:28,967 --> 00:41:32,367 and strangulation deaths of one victim after another, 781 00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:36,367 or a poor soul so desperate for attention, he was willing to confess to murders 782 00:41:36,367 --> 00:41:38,100 he did not commit. 783 00:41:38,166 --> 00:41:39,864 Final ruling comes in front of a judge and jury during a rollercoaster ride through 784 00:41:39,864 --> 00:41:41,900 Final ruling comes in front of a judge and jury during a rollercoaster ride through 785 00:41:41,967 --> 00:41:43,367 the court system. 786 00:41:43,367 --> 00:41:46,767 The DA prosecuting the case steps up his investigation 787 00:41:46,767 --> 00:41:51,367 with a daring new plan to get his man in part two of "The Twin." 788 00:41:51,367 --> 00:41:54,567 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. Thanks for watching. Good night.