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Gravano:
My name is Salvatore Gravano.
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Early in my life, I was given
the nickname "Sammy the Bull."
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I have been involved
with organized crime since 1968,
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when I became
associated with a guy
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named "Shorty" Spero
of the Colombo family.
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I committed many types of crimes
when I was with Shorty,
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including my first murder.
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In December of 1985, John Gotti,
I, along with some others,
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murdered Paul Castellano.
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We took over the family.
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Welcome to "Very Scary People."
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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In 1985,
Sammy "The Bull" Gravano
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helped plan and carry out
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one of the most stunning
Mafia murders in history,
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the slaying of Gambino
crime boss Paul Castellano.
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The brazen attack took place
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outside a steakhouse
in Midtown Manhattan,
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while Gravano and his
co-conspirator, John Gotti,
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watched from
across the street.
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Gravano had broken
one of the most sacred rules
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of Cosa Nostra,
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and he wasn't finished yet.
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For years, he remained
on the periphery,
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but in time,
he would take center stage
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and become the most
important insider
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to ever testify about mob life.
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Here's part two of
"Sammy the Bull."
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McShane: Sammy, the guy
is known for two things --
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he makes money,
and he murders people,
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and he's very good at both.
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[ Doorbell rings ]
Colucci: Detectives came
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and told me that they found
my brother's body.
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It was devastating.
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McShane: Sammy said afterward,
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"The easiest thing was
pulling the trigger."
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Gabriel:
He started understanding
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this was something
he could do
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and wouldn't
be afraid or hesitate
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to ever do it again.
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He was obviously
a cold, homicidal killer.
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Cosa Nostra is the American
version of the Mafia.
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To be invited to be a member
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was really the pinnacle
of achievement.
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It's what these guys dream of.
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McShane: Castellano told him,
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"There is no God anymore
for you.
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We are your God."
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If you break the oath
of omertà, silence,
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your soul should burn in Hell.
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Hunter:
He believed it 1,000%.
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Gabriel: From the day
Paul Castellano
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was given the position of boss,
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there were a lot
of disgruntled people.
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John Gotti had his reasons
for wanting Paul dead,
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but he started learning
that there were other guys,
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like Frankie DeCicco
and Sammy Gravano,
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who, likewise, were
very dissatisfied with Paul.
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The feeling from
Gravano and DeCicco
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was that Gotti was the lesser
of all the evils that they had.
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So they decide that
they're going to take out
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Paul Castellano.
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Gabriel: This was a big deal
they were doing.
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Gravano:
We implemented the plan.
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We took 11 people on the hit.
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Hunter: The guys came up
wearing the Russian fur hats
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and their white trench coats
and bang, bang, bang.
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Schuch: Mafia kingpin
"Big Paul" Castellano
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was gunned down, gangland style,
in Midtown Manhattan.
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You're now thinking,
"This is war."
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There will be
other prices to pay.
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There is a dragnet out
for the hitman who executed
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Mafia godfather
Paul Castellano.
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Look at this man's face.
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He may already be
the new godfather.
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Lawmen believe he may
have also been behind this.
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His name is John Gotti.
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What happened kind of
brings you back to reality
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to what they're really,
at the core, all about,
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essentially,
barbarians and murderers.
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Raab: Before
the Castellano murder,
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Gotti was not a well-known
figure in organized crime,
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practically unknown.
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By knocking off Castellano,
Gotti, overnight,
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became the top person
in the Gambino family.
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McShane: Well, there's a meeting
at the Ravenite Social Club,
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which is in Little Italy,
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and there was just
a steady parade
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of Gambino family members
coming in to greet the new boss.
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Gotti automatically
promoted Gravano to capo,
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and Frank DeCicco
became the underboss.
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Gabriel: We were fortunate
that we had
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some very well-placed sources
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to let us know,
within days to a week,
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almost all of the 11
participants in the hit.
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There was no doubt
this was a John Gotti-led hit.
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We were surprised to learn
when we started hearing
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the names Frank DeCicco
and Sammy Gravano.
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We thought Sammy Gravano and
Frankie were Castellano's guys.
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We realized there was a lot
more happening underneath
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than we understood
at the time.
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Papa: John Gotti was sort of
this emerging character.
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He was a rising star.
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Gravano, while powerful,
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financially strong
in the family,
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I don't think he was that much
on the radar, as of yet,
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probably because
he didn't want to be.
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Hunter: Sammy was perfectly fine
living in the shadows.
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He cared very greatly
that nobody knew who he was.
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Gabriel: Sammy's in
the administration now.
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He's very loyal.
It's business.
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He's going to be loyal
to his boss.
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He's going to do
whatever his boss wants.
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Gravano was a guy who brought
a lot of money into the family.
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Gabriel: Sammy was
the construction guy.
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He was bringing huge envelopes
every month to John Gotti.
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About a million dollars
per year.
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One of the problems
with knocking off Castellano
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was that it really antagonized
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one of the most important
mobster leaders in the country,
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Vincent "Chin" Gigante, who was
the head of the Genovese family.
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Gabriel: After they kill Paul
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and they meet with
"Chin" Gigante,
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who's the head
of the commission,
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John goes there
with the story,
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"We don't know
what really happened to Paul.
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The captains voted me in
as the boss."
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So Chin said, "All right.
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We understand, but somebody's
gonna have to pay
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for that little thing
that happened there."
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About four months later,
Frankie DeCicco,
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he's at his Brooklyn club.
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DeStefano: And Frank DeCicco
and another guy
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went over to a vehicle
outside the club, got in,
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and just
as they opened the door,
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and just ready to sit down,
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a bomb goes off.
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The car was blown
to smithereens.
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Feldman: The explosion was heard
for nearly half a mile,
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a sharp punctuation to an
otherwise quiet Brooklyn Sunday.
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DeStefano: Sammy Gravano was in
the club when the bomb went off,
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rushed out,
saw Frankie DeCicco.
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Man: All of a sudden,
boom, just like that.
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Couple of people trying to take
the people inside out.
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They were trying to get them
out of the car.
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Gabriel: Sammy runs over,
and he's holding Frankie.
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This was his guy.
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Gravano: Picking him up,
a lifelong friend of mine,
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was sickening how
I saw him -- dead.
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DeStefano: DeCicco was,
more or less, killed instantly.
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They thought they were
going to blow up Gotti,
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but the day of the incident,
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Gotti didn't show up at the club
the way he was expected to.
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Feldman:
Organized crime experts say that
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Gotti himself may now be
on someone's hit list
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and that the DeCicco hit
may have been just the start.
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As for this latest mob hit,
they say they have no suspects.
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Gabriel:
After Frankie gets blown up,
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then that's when I would say
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Sammy's prominence
even gets a little bit higher.
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Sammy was almost gonna
now fill that Frankie void.
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Papa: He moved up the ranks.
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He became a consigliere,
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he became an underboss,
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then he was really a member of
the inner sanctum of the family.
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More responsibility, more money.
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John clearly relied on Sammy.
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McShane: The public persona
of Gotti and Gravano
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was that they were like
best friends, kind of
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1 in 1A atop the world
of organized crime.
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And, as we know now,
that started fracturing.
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Raab: Gotti misjudged
a lot of people,
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and the most important person
he had misjudged
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was Sammy Gravano.
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Man: Morning, John.
Good morning.
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John Gotti didn't become so much
the head of the Gambinos
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as he became
the star of his own show.
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Tell me about it.
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Hunter: Immediately,
John Gotti starts wearing
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extraordinarily
expensive suits.
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He's getting photographed.
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He's spending a lot of money
on his haircuts, on manicures,
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on things that aren't really
the normal purview
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of an underworld boss.
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He was a mob star.
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It's almost like a guy
from a movie come to life.
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It was The Post,
my former employer,
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that labeled him
"The Dapper Don."
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Reporter: How you feel,
Mr. Gotti?
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Gotti: Pretty good.
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Papa: Sammy Gravano
was not thrilled
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that John Gotti
likes to be in the papers,
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that he had fans,
people that idolized him,
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people that came up to him.
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Gravano thought Gotti, you know,
was such an egomaniac.
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He was attracting
so much attention.
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Gabriel: The guy was
out every night,
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seemingly, could care less
about his family back in Queens.
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Sammy, in contrast,
did his mob business by day,
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but then, when evening came,
he'd be home with the family.
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Sammy Gravano wanted
to keep the low profile,
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wanted to just go
do his business.
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I think, down deep,
Gravano still believed
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John didn't deserve
to be the boss.
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The spotlight is getting
brighter and brighter
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and brighter on John Gotti.
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I think Gotti, somehow,
thought he would get away
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with whatever he wanted to do.
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He's waving red flags,
screaming, "Catch me, catch me."
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And Gravano knew
if Gotti was in trouble,
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he'd be in trouble.
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No worries.
What's the difference?
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DeStefano: As he progressed
in the crime family,
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Gotti became more vulnerable
to prosecution.
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Reporter: John Gotti
is the claimed head
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of the most powerful
Mafia crime family
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and ran, they insisted,
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numerous gambling
and loan-sharking operations.
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There's a US attorney
in Brooklyn
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who brings an indictment
against John Gotti.
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Reporter:
Gotti and six codefendants
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were charged under
the RICO Act, which stands for
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Racketeer Influenced
Corrupt Organization.
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DeStefano: In the racketeering
case in Brooklyn,
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his underlings learned about
the identity of a juror.
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Sammy went to John and said
he could get to the guy.
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And so it was agreed that
Sammy would deliver $60,000,
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and, at the very least,
he would get a hung jury.
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Gravano: I sent word to John.
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On one piece of paper,
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there's a stick man
hanging from a noose.
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He knew -- hung.
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It's a hung jury.
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It ultimately got to
the point where
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he convinced all the other
jurors that the case was thin,
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and they got to an acquittal.
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Reporter: It was
a happy John Gotti
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who ran out of
US District Court in Brooklyn,
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because he had escaped
a possible 40-year prison term.
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He knew he wasn't going
to get found guilty.
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I got somebody.
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End of story --
he beats the case.
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Which became, of course,
part of the legend, right?
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"The Teflon Don."
Nothing sticks.
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Feldman: Over an almost
four-year period
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beginning in 1986,
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he managed to beat
not one, not two,
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but three
criminal cases against him
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on charges ranging from
assault to racketeering.
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Man:
We find him not guilty.
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Papa: This was extremely
frustrating for law enforcement
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because John Gotti walks away
in a state case.
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John Gotti walks away
in a federal case.
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Law enforcement
had egg on their face.
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[ Indistinct crowd chatter ]
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Gabriel: Robert DiBernardo
was another Gambino captain.
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He was a big earner,
big pornography guy,
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got a lot of his money
from there.
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Not particularly a tough guy,
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but he was well respected
in the family.
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McShane:
Gotti becomes convinced
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that DiB is somehow
speaking behind his back,
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so he just sends word
that DiBernardo has to go.
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DeStefano: Gravano said he
tried to talk him out of it.
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There's no real reason
to kill him, for insults?
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What is this?
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He couldn't be
talked out of that.
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So, they had DiBernardo
come to a meeting
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in Sammy's office.
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Gravano:
DiB comes a little early.
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He sits at a table
directly across from me.
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We shake hands.
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I say,
"You want a cup of coffee?"
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"Yeah."
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"Hey, Joe..." --
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the "Old Man" Joe Paruta --
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"...get DiB a cup of coffee."
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DeStefano: And while
DiBernardo was distracted
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by talking to Gravano,
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"Old Man" Paruta
came up behind DiBernardo
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and shot him in the head.
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They never found the body.
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Now, after Gotti was acquitted
in those trials,
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the FBI made him
a national priority.
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Papa: They were determined
to figure out a way
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to bug whatever
they had to bug,
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surveil however
they had to surveil,
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and they were going to
gather evidence to put him away.
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DeStefano: Gotti would use
Ravenite Social Club as a base
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after Castellano was killed.
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McShane: Gotti was in the
Ravenite down in Little Italy
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most every day, and so,
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if you're in the family
and you wanted to see him,
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that's where you came
to see him.
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Gabriel:
Sammy came probably
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three to four nights
out of the week.
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McShane: The club was under
constant surveillance,
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pretty much, by the FBI.
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Papa: Not only
was the Ravenite bugged,
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the hallway was bugged.
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The curb in front
of the Ravenite was bugged.
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Gabriel: Sammy and John
would come out,
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they would do these walk talks
that were very frustrating
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to the microphones,
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but he probably had
more walk talks with Sammy
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than anybody else.
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DeStefano: At some point,
the FBI learned that Gotti
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was going upstairs
to an apartment
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rented by the widow
of an old Gambino soldier.
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And they would use
that apartment
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to conduct their business.
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And the FBI were able to figure
out that this was where
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all these conversations
were happening.
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And they were right, you know?
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They bugged it,
and Gotti spoke freely
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about almost everything.
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And they thought they were safe
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because they thought nobody
was going to go there.
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Farinella: If Gotti would have
just kept it close to the vest,
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things would be
totally different,
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but he just couldn't
keep it inside.
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He had no self-control.
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Raab: They got numerous tapes.
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This was what the FBI had been
looking for for five years,
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and now they had him
dead to rights.
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♪♪
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Me and Louie were like "this"
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for a very, very long time.
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McShane: Louie Milito was from
the neighborhood in Bensonhurst,
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and he and Gravano
became best friends
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and eventually
business partners.
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Gabriel: Louie becomes
part of Sammy's crew,
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very trusted ally,
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did hits for Sammy,
was on hits with Sammy.
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The kids, the wives
knew each other well.
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They called Sammy
"Uncle Sammy."
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At some point, the relationship
starts declining a little bit.
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Louie Milito starts
having some problems,
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some of it is jealousy
'cause Sammy's
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rising in the ranks
in the family.
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He's making a lot more money.
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McShane: Years later, in 1988,
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Milito was upset because he had
been passed over for a promotion
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within the Gambino family.
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DeStefano: And Milito
was bad-mouthing people
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who John had elevated
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to the role of
significant captains.
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And you badmouth people
who Gotti likes,
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it's not going to
sit very well.
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Sammy had asked Gotti
for permission to kill him.
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Milito's fate was sealed
at that point.
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According to Sammy,
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there was a meeting
of Louis Milito and others
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in a social club.
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Raab: Milito shows up
unarmed and unconcerned,
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thinks he's in safe territory,
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and he gets a cup of coffee,
orders a cup of coffee.
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Gabriel: Louie Milito went
by way of a lot of people
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that were killed around
Sammy Gravano.
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You're at a bar,
somebody serving you coffee,
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you're nice and relaxed,
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and as some of that's
happening,
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guy comes behind and boom,
you're shot in the head.
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[ Silenced gunshot ]
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Gravano:
I was there for a reason.
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I wanted him to die like a man.
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DeStefano:
Milito was never seen again.
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Body was never found.
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♪♪
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Feldman: For months,
prosecutors have strongly hinted
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that they hope to indict
John Gotti on new charges.
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By 1990, press reports
were coming out
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that Gotti was going
to be indicted.
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It was the Castellano murders,
labor racketeering.
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And the plan was for Sammy
to go on the lam so that,
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if Gotti were arrested,
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Sammy would be able to
control the crime family
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from a secret location.
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Gabriel: It's John's idea
to send him.
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We're not sure how long
it's going to last,
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but, again, knowing the fabric
of the man, he's a family guy.
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It's one thing to be away
from the mob,
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but he's going to be away
from his wife and kids,
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and that wasn't
a comfort zone for him.
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So, Sammy just
came back into town.
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That's what we were waiting for.
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We wanted to get them
all together.
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McShane: Gotti summons him
to the Ravenite.
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Sammy thinks, "Why are you
meeting at the Ravenite,
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which has been under
FBI surveillance
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00:19:01,663 --> 00:19:03,962
since a week
after the Castellano hit?"
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00:19:03,963 --> 00:19:06,598
It seemed like a bad idea
to Sammy,
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00:19:06,665 --> 00:19:08,064
who turned out to be right.
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00:19:08,165 --> 00:19:10,599
He was picked up as soon
as he walked in the door.
404
00:19:10,666 --> 00:19:13,766
Federal FBI agents
and New York Police detectives
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00:19:13,767 --> 00:19:18,167
arrested the leadership
of the Gambino crime family.
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00:19:18,168 --> 00:19:20,802
The man believed to be
the godfather of godfathers
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00:19:20,868 --> 00:19:23,803
is waking up this morning
in a New York City jail.
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00:19:23,903 --> 00:19:26,671
Polk: Also charged with Gotti,
his mob underboss,
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00:19:26,771 --> 00:19:30,272
his consigliere,
and this mob capo.
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Raab: After the arrests,
they were indicted,
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and they all wound up in the
Metropolitan Correction Center.
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Gabriel: Sammy faced
very similar charges to John.
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It was multiple murders
and labor racketeering,
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00:19:43,476 --> 00:19:44,809
but those were the heavy ones,
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00:19:44,875 --> 00:19:47,976
so he was facing
mandatory life sentences.
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00:19:48,077 --> 00:19:52,312
Sammy and Gotti
went to pretrial hearings
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00:19:52,379 --> 00:19:54,679
soon after
they were arrested.
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The government played
some of the tapes
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that they'd made
at the Ravenite building.
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Raab: Gravano,
for the first time,
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heard what Gotti
had to say about him.
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Gotti is heard bad-mouthing
Gravano about his greediness.
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John is lamenting the fact
that Gravano is out of control.
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Every time he makes
somebody a partner,
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he kills them,
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and then,
we get the heat for it.
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00:20:36,325 --> 00:20:40,227
There was one comment
where Gotti referred to Sammy,
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and it made it sound like
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he was almost trying
to take over the family.
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Papa: Gravano was
sitting there with his lawyer,
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and he didn't like
what he was hearing.
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Gravano was fuming.
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00:20:54,698 --> 00:20:58,532
Sammy Gravano, I think,
began to realize
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that John Gotti
wasn't his friend.
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DeStefano: Sammy was
getting the sense that,
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you know, "I'm being set up
to take the fall here."
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Papa: Gravano did not
trust Gotti anymore.
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00:21:10,703 --> 00:21:15,204
Gravano felt there were changes
in stories and situations.
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00:21:15,304 --> 00:21:17,838
Brevetti: And then you have to
take Gravano's word for it,
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00:21:17,938 --> 00:21:20,639
that John basically told him
the lawyer --
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00:21:20,706 --> 00:21:22,105
the lawyers
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00:21:22,206 --> 00:21:24,607
that they hired
were prepared to create
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00:21:24,707 --> 00:21:28,308
this defense theory
that it was all Sammy.
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The case against him
was very, very strong.
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Papa: And Gravano was not
going to be the one
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00:21:34,210 --> 00:21:37,711
that would be stuck going to
prison for the rest of his life
447
00:21:37,811 --> 00:21:40,245
when, maybe,
Gotti would walk away.
448
00:21:40,312 --> 00:21:43,846
John turned on Sammy,
and that led to,
449
00:21:43,946 --> 00:21:46,147
"It's either going to be
my demise or John's demise."
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And that's when
he called the FBI.
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Feldman: In a stunning
development in the federal case
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against reputed
Mafia godfather John Gotti,
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00:21:54,949 --> 00:21:56,750
well-placed sources say
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00:21:56,850 --> 00:21:59,951
Gotti's right-hand man
has turned against his boss
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00:22:00,017 --> 00:22:02,017
and will now cooperate
with the government.
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00:22:02,117 --> 00:22:06,053
Salvatore "Sammy the Bull"
Gravano is in FBI custody.
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00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,254
And when John heard it,
I'm told, he just went ashen.
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00:22:09,321 --> 00:22:10,854
It was like, oh, my God.
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DeStefano: It was
one of these seismic moments
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00:22:12,921 --> 00:22:15,256
in the history
of organized crime.
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00:22:15,323 --> 00:22:20,123
♪♪
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♪♪
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Welcome back to
"Very Scary People."
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In November of 1991,
Sammy "The Bull" Gravano
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committed the ultimate
Mafia double cross,
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turning government informant
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on his former boss,
John Gotti.
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Gravano is now himself
a prime target
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00:22:41,731 --> 00:22:43,830
for assassination by the mob.
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So, while the FBI questioned him
about his murderous past,
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they kept him holed up
in a secret location.
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♪♪
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Gravano:
After I left Gotti,
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the government
took control of me.
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They took me to Quantico.
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00:22:59,935 --> 00:23:02,237
It's a military base.
477
00:23:03,036 --> 00:23:04,336
Papa: What did he know?
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How much
was he going to reveal?
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00:23:06,238 --> 00:23:08,036
Sammy had to
confess to everything,
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00:23:08,037 --> 00:23:09,472
his life of crime.
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00:23:09,539 --> 00:23:12,439
That's the contract you make
with the government
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when you defect and turn sides.
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McShane:
And he's telling stories
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that only a guy
who was right there,
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working alongside John Gotti,
could tell,
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00:23:22,142 --> 00:23:23,643
very damning stories.
487
00:23:23,744 --> 00:23:26,077
We didn't know how many murders
he was responsible for
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until he told us.
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DeStefano:
He admitted to complicity
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to as many as 19 homicides.
491
00:23:33,446 --> 00:23:36,280
Gabriel: His attitude was,
"I didn't kill those guys.
492
00:23:36,347 --> 00:23:38,348
They committed suicide."
493
00:23:38,448 --> 00:23:40,749
They broke the rules,
they knew what they were doing,
494
00:23:40,849 --> 00:23:42,749
they knew they
got themselves in trouble,
495
00:23:42,849 --> 00:23:44,883
and they knew
what the penalty was."
496
00:23:49,150 --> 00:23:53,386
♪♪
497
00:23:53,453 --> 00:23:56,754
Papa: Sammy Gravano,
underboss of the family,
498
00:23:56,853 --> 00:24:01,953
was going to take the stand in
a showdown against John Gotti.
499
00:24:01,954 --> 00:24:04,389
Feldman: There is a lot at stake
for the federal government
500
00:24:04,456 --> 00:24:07,190
and for John Gotti
in the murder racketeering trial
501
00:24:07,257 --> 00:24:09,358
that moved into high gear
Wednesday.
502
00:24:09,457 --> 00:24:12,291
Thus far, Gotti has beaten
three raps against him
503
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,292
in state and federal courts.
504
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,293
There was papers
that were put up
505
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,494
in his neighborhood,
around the courtroom,
506
00:24:20,561 --> 00:24:23,762
with a rat
with his face on it.
507
00:24:25,462 --> 00:24:29,397
Nobody ever thought they
would see somebody so high up
508
00:24:29,464 --> 00:24:33,398
give up omertà
to testify against a boss.
509
00:24:33,465 --> 00:24:35,999
The atmosphere was tense.
510
00:24:36,065 --> 00:24:41,065
Everybody sat in that courtroom
holding their breath.
511
00:24:41,066 --> 00:24:43,067
♪♪
512
00:24:43,167 --> 00:24:47,468
DeStefano: Sammy's role was
to authenticate and interpret
513
00:24:47,469 --> 00:24:49,736
what was going on
in the tape recordings.
514
00:24:49,737 --> 00:24:51,903
Gabriel: He had just
incredible recall,
515
00:24:52,004 --> 00:24:53,271
and he didn't leave details out.
516
00:24:53,371 --> 00:24:56,105
He didn't overstate.
He didn't understate.
517
00:24:56,171 --> 00:24:58,171
DeStefano:
When Gravano testified,
518
00:24:58,273 --> 00:24:59,773
the families of the victims
519
00:24:59,873 --> 00:25:02,172
got to know,
sometimes for the first time,
520
00:25:02,173 --> 00:25:05,508
who was really involved
and who had set this up
521
00:25:05,574 --> 00:25:07,741
and how these things happened.
522
00:25:07,742 --> 00:25:12,010
Said he pulled the trigger
only once in 19 homicides.
523
00:25:13,477 --> 00:25:17,411
Somebody from the family
called me and said,
524
00:25:17,478 --> 00:25:20,279
"Sammy the Bull
just confessed to murders,
525
00:25:20,379 --> 00:25:24,280
and he said your brother was
the first one to be murdered."
526
00:25:24,381 --> 00:25:26,381
Finding out that it was Sammy,
527
00:25:26,481 --> 00:25:29,315
who was supposed to be
my brother's good friend,
528
00:25:29,382 --> 00:25:31,783
it was horrible.
529
00:25:32,683 --> 00:25:34,883
Gabriel: He wasn't concerned
with having to admit to it.
530
00:25:34,884 --> 00:25:36,383
This was mob business,
531
00:25:36,384 --> 00:25:38,082
and it just comes off
differently.
532
00:25:38,083 --> 00:25:43,084
It's more important that you're
not seen as a liar to a jury.
533
00:25:43,085 --> 00:25:46,085
♪♪
534
00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:49,186
Raab:
There was no end to hits
535
00:25:49,187 --> 00:25:51,922
that Gravano
carried out under Gotti.
536
00:25:52,022 --> 00:25:55,923
Gotti was a merciless
character, egomaniac,
537
00:25:56,023 --> 00:25:58,390
and anyone he thought
that insulted him
538
00:25:58,391 --> 00:26:01,825
or didn't obey
the slightest order,
539
00:26:01,925 --> 00:26:04,492
Gotti had one solution --
kill 'em.
540
00:26:04,493 --> 00:26:06,191
Feldman: Gravano also
calmly talked about
541
00:26:06,192 --> 00:26:08,893
how he murdered a close friend,
and, Wednesday,
542
00:26:08,894 --> 00:26:10,694
Gravano disclosed
that he also killed
543
00:26:10,795 --> 00:26:12,294
the cousin of his
brother-in-law
544
00:26:12,295 --> 00:26:13,794
in a mob dispute.
545
00:26:13,795 --> 00:26:17,763
Sammy would lay the blame
for all of it on John Gotti.
546
00:26:17,764 --> 00:26:21,498
Some of the situations
were just appalling.
547
00:26:22,298 --> 00:26:25,765
Cardinale: And then, he got into
the crowning jewel of the case,
548
00:26:25,766 --> 00:26:28,500
which was
the Castellano-Bilotti murder.
549
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:32,601
McShane: Sammy is there when
the plot is being hatched.
550
00:26:32,701 --> 00:26:36,035
He's in the car
when the shooting happens,
551
00:26:36,101 --> 00:26:39,536
sitting next to the guy
who ordered the hit.
552
00:26:39,603 --> 00:26:40,937
You're hearing these details,
553
00:26:41,003 --> 00:26:43,771
it sounds like something
from a movie script.
554
00:26:43,772 --> 00:26:47,706
He nailed Gotti
to the Castellano cross.
555
00:26:47,773 --> 00:26:52,040
Our obvious defense was,
this was typical of Gravano.
556
00:26:52,106 --> 00:26:55,408
DeStefano: The defense depicted
Gravano to the jury
557
00:26:55,508 --> 00:26:57,142
as evil incarnate,
558
00:26:57,208 --> 00:27:00,676
a stone-cold killer
who would do anything
559
00:27:00,677 --> 00:27:02,710
to remove people
who were in his way.
560
00:27:02,778 --> 00:27:06,044
They were trying to portray him
as the person
561
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:08,110
who really was pulling
the strings on Gotti.
562
00:27:08,111 --> 00:27:09,912
Feldman: Gotti's lawyer
told the jurors
563
00:27:09,913 --> 00:27:11,912
that the jury box
they are sitting in
564
00:27:11,913 --> 00:27:15,547
doesn't have enough chairs
to put Gravano's victims in.
565
00:27:15,614 --> 00:27:18,348
Cardinale: Everybody he had
involvement with killing
566
00:27:18,415 --> 00:27:20,014
was so that
he could better himself.
567
00:27:20,015 --> 00:27:22,449
Ultimately, what he did
in that courtroom
568
00:27:22,516 --> 00:27:23,916
was to better himself --
569
00:27:23,917 --> 00:27:27,318
come up with a story
that he knew could get him
570
00:27:27,418 --> 00:27:29,719
his ticket to freedom.
571
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,720
Rook: The verdict
was like a bullet,
572
00:27:33,820 --> 00:27:36,320
puncturing John Gotti's
longtime image
573
00:27:36,321 --> 00:27:38,220
of invincibility
from the law.
574
00:27:38,321 --> 00:27:41,856
The boss of the Gambino crime
family was found guilty today
575
00:27:41,955 --> 00:27:45,691
on all 13 counts of murder
and racketeering.
576
00:27:46,457 --> 00:27:48,224
Fox: Teflon is gone.
577
00:27:48,324 --> 00:27:49,958
The Don is covered with Velcro,
578
00:27:50,024 --> 00:27:52,725
and every charge
in the indictment stuck.
579
00:27:52,793 --> 00:27:54,825
Feldman: This time,
the jury convicted him
580
00:27:54,826 --> 00:27:57,560
on charges
that included five murders,
581
00:27:57,627 --> 00:28:00,728
and he was sentenced
to life without parole.
582
00:28:00,828 --> 00:28:02,828
Papa: It was over
for John Gotti.
583
00:28:02,829 --> 00:28:06,796
He could say he had his honor
and Sammy Gravano did not.
584
00:28:06,797 --> 00:28:10,430
But Sammy Gravano
was going to have a life.
585
00:28:10,431 --> 00:28:12,732
DeStefano: Sammy agreed to
cooperate with the FBI
586
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:16,031
in any investigations
of any of those crimes
587
00:28:16,032 --> 00:28:18,467
and any sort
of other information
588
00:28:18,533 --> 00:28:20,434
he had about
organized crime.
589
00:28:20,534 --> 00:28:24,801
He was so good that they brought
him back over and over again.
590
00:28:24,802 --> 00:28:26,234
His deal is he cooperates.
591
00:28:26,235 --> 00:28:28,070
When he's done cooperating,
he gets sentenced.
592
00:28:28,136 --> 00:28:29,637
Brevetti:
Even a 20-year sentence
593
00:28:29,704 --> 00:28:30,970
would have been a favor,
594
00:28:31,071 --> 00:28:33,071
given the fact that
people in his position
595
00:28:33,137 --> 00:28:35,805
were being given sentences
of 100 years.
596
00:28:35,806 --> 00:28:39,740
He did his job on the stand,
and he did it for years.
597
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,807
Probably got better treatment
than any defector
598
00:28:43,808 --> 00:28:45,575
in the history of the Mafia.
599
00:28:45,642 --> 00:28:49,276
DeStefano: Largely because of
all the cooperation he gave,
600
00:28:49,343 --> 00:28:50,709
he was sentenced
by Judge Glasser
601
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:53,543
to five years in prison.
602
00:28:53,544 --> 00:28:57,712
♪♪
603
00:28:57,713 --> 00:29:01,547
To the families, of course,
he was the executioner
604
00:29:01,647 --> 00:29:05,246
who was getting
an unbelievable deal.
605
00:29:05,247 --> 00:29:08,182
He admitted to 19 murders.
606
00:29:08,248 --> 00:29:11,983
To get John Gotti, they had
to make a deal with the devil.
607
00:29:12,083 --> 00:29:13,950
Tuchman: CNN has confirmed
that Sammy the Bull
608
00:29:13,951 --> 00:29:16,851
will be released from jail
sometime this coming week.
609
00:29:16,952 --> 00:29:18,885
He will move to
an undisclosed city or town
610
00:29:18,985 --> 00:29:20,853
and assume a new identity
under the care of
611
00:29:20,952 --> 00:29:23,151
the Federal Witness
Protection Program.
612
00:29:23,152 --> 00:29:24,820
Gotti wanted him killed.
613
00:29:24,821 --> 00:29:28,855
Papa: There was the
$1 million bounty on his head.
614
00:29:28,955 --> 00:29:31,889
Gabriel: They relocate you.
It's not a place of your choice.
615
00:29:31,989 --> 00:29:35,090
You truly, truly walk away
from your life,
616
00:29:35,156 --> 00:29:36,823
your family, from your friends.
617
00:29:36,824 --> 00:29:39,091
Papa: He had facial surgery.
618
00:29:39,157 --> 00:29:43,159
He was going to have a new
identity and then disappear.
619
00:29:43,258 --> 00:29:52,862
♪♪
620
00:29:55,763 --> 00:29:57,363
Brevetti:
Sammy Gravano will say,
621
00:29:57,364 --> 00:29:58,864
you know,
"There's an absolute rule --
622
00:29:58,931 --> 00:30:00,398
you don't talk
623
00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:02,565
about what goes on
in the family.
624
00:30:02,566 --> 00:30:05,265
Sweetingham:
He was very critical of Gotti
625
00:30:05,366 --> 00:30:07,667
and, frankly, any mob boss
626
00:30:07,734 --> 00:30:09,100
who sought out fame
627
00:30:09,166 --> 00:30:11,601
or the limelight
or the spotlight.
628
00:30:11,668 --> 00:30:14,368
Brevetti: But once you become
a government witness,
629
00:30:14,369 --> 00:30:17,268
well, you've done it,
and so you can write a book,
630
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:18,737
and you can talk about it.
631
00:30:18,738 --> 00:30:21,404
That's Sammy's logic.
632
00:30:21,471 --> 00:30:25,372
♪♪
633
00:30:25,373 --> 00:30:27,506
Sawyer: He agreed to talk
on the condition that we provide
634
00:30:27,573 --> 00:30:30,373
former FBI agents
for his protection
635
00:30:30,374 --> 00:30:34,675
and not broadcast until he had
dropped safely out of sight.
636
00:30:34,742 --> 00:30:37,609
Here I am, the Mafia.
637
00:30:37,676 --> 00:30:42,778
They have said you are the
single most important witness
638
00:30:42,844 --> 00:30:45,311
ever to testify
against the mob.
639
00:30:45,378 --> 00:30:47,012
I think I am.
640
00:30:47,779 --> 00:30:51,279
He testified against
Vinny "The Chin" Gigante.
641
00:30:52,213 --> 00:30:55,115
The head of
the Genovese family.
642
00:30:55,181 --> 00:30:58,616
I believe the security tab
to protect Gravano
643
00:30:58,683 --> 00:31:00,983
during his days
of testifying in Brooklyn
644
00:31:01,116 --> 00:31:03,617
was like a quarter
of a million dollars.
645
00:31:03,684 --> 00:31:08,118
They had helicopters getting
him in and out of the court.
646
00:31:08,184 --> 00:31:10,986
Tyre: Gravano,
who admits to killing 19 people,
647
00:31:11,053 --> 00:31:13,085
provided what
the prosecution lacked --
648
00:31:13,086 --> 00:31:14,987
a first-hand account
of Gigante's
649
00:31:15,053 --> 00:31:16,587
alleged mob activities.
650
00:31:16,588 --> 00:31:18,388
McShane: And they won
their conviction,
651
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:20,055
but the families of the victims,
652
00:31:20,122 --> 00:31:21,790
people killed by Gravano,
653
00:31:21,856 --> 00:31:26,124
came in the court,
you know, to watch him testify.
654
00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:27,491
Tyre:
Under cross-examination,
655
00:31:27,492 --> 00:31:29,290
Gravano acknowledged
that he had been paid
656
00:31:29,291 --> 00:31:30,858
a quarter of a million dollars
657
00:31:30,859 --> 00:31:33,526
to collaborate on his
best-selling book "Underboss"
658
00:31:33,593 --> 00:31:35,860
and expected to get
a percentage of a movie deal
659
00:31:35,861 --> 00:31:37,127
based on the book.
660
00:31:37,194 --> 00:31:38,795
That angered the families
of his victims
661
00:31:38,862 --> 00:31:41,796
who were suing Gravano
under New York's Son of Sam law,
662
00:31:41,863 --> 00:31:45,295
which prohibits lawbreakers from
profiting from their crimes.
663
00:31:45,296 --> 00:31:47,697
This is a man who based
his life and his career
664
00:31:47,765 --> 00:31:49,631
on lies and deception.
665
00:31:49,698 --> 00:31:53,999
Why is he now, all of a sudden,
a credible witness to anyone?
666
00:31:54,065 --> 00:31:55,800
McShane: They were
pursuing legal action
667
00:31:55,900 --> 00:32:00,401
to make Gravano
literally pay for his crimes.
668
00:32:00,502 --> 00:32:03,135
♪♪
669
00:32:03,201 --> 00:32:06,236
Sweetingham: After Sammy
testified in seven trials,
670
00:32:06,302 --> 00:32:08,603
and he was going to
testify in many more,
671
00:32:08,604 --> 00:32:11,304
he and his family,
his wife and his two children,
672
00:32:11,405 --> 00:32:13,604
quietly moved to Tempe, Arizona,
673
00:32:13,605 --> 00:32:15,906
where he went under
the name Jimmy Moran.
674
00:32:16,006 --> 00:32:18,406
He pulled himself out of
the Witness Protection Program.
675
00:32:18,407 --> 00:32:19,873
They wanted to live
where they wanted to live,
676
00:32:19,874 --> 00:32:22,307
not where the program
was going to put them.
677
00:32:22,408 --> 00:32:23,708
He's going to be looking
over his shoulder,
678
00:32:23,809 --> 00:32:26,709
but he just wanted
to do it on his own terms.
679
00:32:26,809 --> 00:32:28,309
Sweetingham: They bought
an eight-bedroom home
680
00:32:28,410 --> 00:32:30,510
with a three-car garage
and a pool.
681
00:32:30,511 --> 00:32:32,610
Sammy started
a pool construction business.
682
00:32:32,611 --> 00:32:35,012
And he was doing very,
very well.
683
00:32:35,078 --> 00:32:37,245
Sweetingham: They opened
a restaurant called Uncle Sal's
684
00:32:37,311 --> 00:32:40,212
that his wife, Debra, ran,
and its motto was,
685
00:32:40,213 --> 00:32:44,015
"The best-kept
secret in Scottsdale."
686
00:32:44,081 --> 00:32:45,213
Gabriel: But, at some point,
687
00:32:45,214 --> 00:32:46,615
he's hanging out
at the restaurant.
688
00:32:46,616 --> 00:32:49,417
He had a little
reconstructive surgery done,
689
00:32:49,516 --> 00:32:51,316
but it really didn't change
his appearance that much.
690
00:32:51,417 --> 00:32:53,551
He still conducts himself
the way he conducts himself.
691
00:32:53,618 --> 00:32:56,819
And, you know,
people started catching on.
692
00:32:57,919 --> 00:32:59,920
His true identity gets unmasked
693
00:33:00,019 --> 00:33:02,053
by a reporter from
The Arizona Republic
694
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:03,988
who tracks him down.
695
00:33:04,054 --> 00:33:05,421
McShane:
The Sammy in Arizona story
696
00:33:05,521 --> 00:33:07,422
gets national attention,
of course.
697
00:33:07,522 --> 00:33:09,256
It spread all over the place.
698
00:33:09,322 --> 00:33:11,456
Gabriel: Sammy thought
he was okay,
699
00:33:11,523 --> 00:33:13,524
but he wasn't as safe
as he thought he was.
700
00:33:13,624 --> 00:33:16,091
Sweetingham:
You can understand why the FBI
701
00:33:16,158 --> 00:33:17,458
was so invested in Sammy.
702
00:33:17,525 --> 00:33:19,525
He had helped them put away
703
00:33:19,626 --> 00:33:22,893
more than three dozen
former mob associates.
704
00:33:22,894 --> 00:33:25,227
Gabriel: We were prepping him
for one last trial.
705
00:33:25,326 --> 00:33:27,728
We very much had an interest
in making sure
706
00:33:27,828 --> 00:33:29,996
he played it smart
and he stayed alive.
707
00:33:30,062 --> 00:33:34,163
♪♪
708
00:33:34,229 --> 00:33:35,730
Sammy was always
protective of his son.
709
00:33:35,831 --> 00:33:38,329
He didn't want to see
his son in the life.
710
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:39,732
Raab: He was so critical
of Gotti
711
00:33:39,832 --> 00:33:43,899
for recruiting his own son,
John Gotti Jr.,
712
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:46,934
to become a made member
of the Mafia,
713
00:33:47,001 --> 00:33:48,433
and he felt this was terrible,
714
00:33:48,434 --> 00:33:51,435
that he would never do this
with his own family.
715
00:33:51,536 --> 00:33:53,569
Sweetingham: But then,
in late 1998,
716
00:33:53,636 --> 00:33:56,170
Sammy discovers
that his son Gerard
717
00:33:56,236 --> 00:33:58,136
has been selling ecstasy pills
718
00:33:58,237 --> 00:34:02,739
outside of nightclubs in Phoenix
with his best friend, Mike Papa.
719
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,639
Gabriel: His account of it was,
Sammy catches wind of it,
720
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,008
not real happy
with what they're doing.
721
00:34:08,074 --> 00:34:09,807
McShane:
Sammy was not into that.
722
00:34:09,808 --> 00:34:13,575
He kind of looked down on
the practice of selling drugs.
723
00:34:13,642 --> 00:34:16,476
Sweetingham: Here was
the perfect opportunity
724
00:34:16,543 --> 00:34:18,642
to set the boys straight,
725
00:34:18,643 --> 00:34:21,845
but instead,
he didn't discourage them --
726
00:34:21,911 --> 00:34:23,845
he mentored them.
727
00:34:23,912 --> 00:34:25,846
Brevetti: It's fast money.
It's easy money.
728
00:34:25,913 --> 00:34:29,847
He's going to try to re-create
the life he had before.
729
00:34:29,914 --> 00:34:32,547
Sweetingham: And pretty soon,
Gerard and Mike Papa
730
00:34:32,548 --> 00:34:35,749
were carrying guns
and using Sammy's name
731
00:34:35,816 --> 00:34:38,850
to influence and intimidate
other drug dealers,
732
00:34:38,917 --> 00:34:42,184
and Mike Papa beats up
a drug dealer
733
00:34:42,250 --> 00:34:44,484
who has ties to Israeli Mafia.
734
00:34:44,552 --> 00:34:48,819
Eventually, the two rival groups
call a truce,
735
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:51,353
and they sit down
at Uncle Sal's,
736
00:34:51,454 --> 00:34:54,921
and Gravano says to them,
"I own Arizona.
737
00:34:54,922 --> 00:34:57,589
It is locked down,
and you cannot sell pills here
738
00:34:57,655 --> 00:34:59,489
without going through me."
739
00:34:59,556 --> 00:35:00,689
Farinella:
Not that he was innocent,
740
00:35:00,757 --> 00:35:03,957
but he was trying to ensure
741
00:35:04,025 --> 00:35:07,759
that his son and his family
was protected.
742
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:13,060
Sweetingham:
So DEA in Arizona and police
743
00:35:13,126 --> 00:35:16,660
began an investigation they call
Operation Ecstasy,
744
00:35:16,661 --> 00:35:20,296
and they had
some 11 wiretaps and bugs
745
00:35:20,362 --> 00:35:23,563
listening to him
and his associates.
746
00:35:23,564 --> 00:35:25,197
Gabriel: You would think
he'd be smarter
747
00:35:25,263 --> 00:35:28,198
to have those kinds
of conversations on a phone,
748
00:35:28,264 --> 00:35:31,466
but, you know, again, when you
don't think you're doing much,
749
00:35:31,566 --> 00:35:33,566
you get stupid.
750
00:35:33,567 --> 00:35:35,767
Napolitano: Beginning at about
6:30 this morning,
751
00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:39,134
14 search warrants were served
by seven SWAT teams.
752
00:35:39,201 --> 00:35:43,269
On February 24, 2000,
the DEA and Phoenix State Police
753
00:35:43,368 --> 00:35:44,669
arrest Sammy.
754
00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:45,936
They arrest his wife, Debra,
755
00:35:45,937 --> 00:35:48,370
his daughter, Karen,
his son, Gerard,
756
00:35:48,471 --> 00:35:51,170
Mike Papa, and 41 others.
757
00:35:51,171 --> 00:35:54,506
We learned that
the Papa-Gravano organization
758
00:35:54,573 --> 00:35:58,674
distributed 20,000 to 30,000
ecstasy pills per week
759
00:35:58,774 --> 00:36:01,508
in the Phoenix
metropolitan area.
760
00:36:01,575 --> 00:36:03,609
Sweetingham:
And they estimate that Sammy
761
00:36:03,676 --> 00:36:06,510
and this ecstasy
distribution ring
762
00:36:06,577 --> 00:36:09,311
was making $1 million a month.
763
00:36:09,377 --> 00:36:10,511
I got the call,
and I was like,
764
00:36:10,578 --> 00:36:12,511
"You gotta be kidding me."
765
00:36:12,579 --> 00:36:15,145
He couldn't be that stupid.
766
00:36:15,212 --> 00:36:22,482
♪♪
767
00:36:25,049 --> 00:36:26,348
Feldman: Gravano
is back in the news --
768
00:36:26,349 --> 00:36:28,083
this time, in Arizona,
769
00:36:28,149 --> 00:36:30,382
where he has lived
the past few years
770
00:36:30,383 --> 00:36:34,085
after leaving the Federal
Witness Protection Program.
771
00:36:34,151 --> 00:36:36,384
Gravano is charged
with helping finance
772
00:36:36,385 --> 00:36:41,220
a drug ring that sold ecstasy,
a so-called designer drug.
773
00:36:48,689 --> 00:36:50,890
They're being held on
a charge of conspiracy
774
00:36:50,957 --> 00:36:52,490
to distribute
dangerous narcotics,
775
00:36:52,491 --> 00:36:55,225
which is a class 2 felony
in Arizona.
776
00:36:56,291 --> 00:36:59,258
Gabriel: So, the irony
of him getting arrested,
777
00:36:59,259 --> 00:37:03,193
he may not see it this way,
but it actually saved his life.
778
00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:08,361
There was an elaborate
murder-revenge plot against him
779
00:37:08,362 --> 00:37:11,163
by Gambino family members.
780
00:37:11,229 --> 00:37:13,395
They were going to
blow him up with a bomb.
781
00:37:13,396 --> 00:37:16,231
And I think they came close
to being able to get him.
782
00:37:16,297 --> 00:37:19,599
Then Sammy gets arrested
and doesn't get out on bail,
783
00:37:19,699 --> 00:37:21,533
and that's the end of the plot.
784
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,233
I don't think he really ever
thought they would do it,
785
00:37:24,299 --> 00:37:25,700
but they did.
786
00:37:25,701 --> 00:37:31,401
♪♪
787
00:37:31,503 --> 00:37:34,169
Sweetingham: So, after
Sammy's arrested in Arizona
788
00:37:34,237 --> 00:37:35,904
on state charges,
789
00:37:35,971 --> 00:37:38,604
the New York DEA and Customs
790
00:37:38,605 --> 00:37:41,172
begins
a joint investigation on him.
791
00:37:41,238 --> 00:37:44,173
In Arizona, they knew
that he was dealing ecstasy,
792
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,306
but they didn't know
who his source was.
793
00:37:47,373 --> 00:37:49,908
In New York, they figure it out.
794
00:37:50,008 --> 00:37:53,743
Sammy was getting his pills
from a New York wholesaler
795
00:37:53,809 --> 00:37:56,744
who had ties
to Israeli organized Mafia.
796
00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:58,744
So there were both federal
and state charges.
797
00:37:58,811 --> 00:38:01,011
The federal charges were
definitely more serious,
798
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,112
and they carried more time,
for certain.
799
00:38:03,178 --> 00:38:11,981
♪♪
800
00:38:11,982 --> 00:38:14,616
Sweetingham:
Gravano and his son, Gerard,
801
00:38:14,716 --> 00:38:17,084
go to court to plead guilty,
802
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:20,118
but, in fact, prosecutors were
ready to put on a whole trial
803
00:38:20,184 --> 00:38:23,018
showing how Sammy created
his own little Mafia,
804
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:25,086
drug-dealing syndicate
in Arizona.
805
00:38:25,152 --> 00:38:26,619
It appeared that
the court was disappointed
806
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,653
that he didn't utilize
his second chance
807
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,987
and that he was back in front
of a judge on different charges.
808
00:38:31,988 --> 00:38:34,922
The judge sentenced Sammy
to 20 years in prison.
809
00:38:34,989 --> 00:38:38,023
She also ordered him
on supervised release
810
00:38:38,123 --> 00:38:39,657
for the rest of his life.
811
00:38:39,723 --> 00:38:42,390
Colucci: It was important
'cause we wanted to make sure
812
00:38:42,391 --> 00:38:44,724
that he was going to be
convicted of something,
813
00:38:44,725 --> 00:38:46,390
anything.
814
00:38:46,391 --> 00:38:52,392
I am pleased for the people
that he has hurt in this crime,
815
00:38:52,393 --> 00:38:57,728
but I am not pleased that
he got away with 19 murders,
816
00:38:57,729 --> 00:38:59,463
including my son.
817
00:38:59,529 --> 00:39:07,430
♪♪
818
00:39:07,431 --> 00:39:13,633
He had to pay $420,000
to the family members,
819
00:39:13,634 --> 00:39:15,401
to be split up between them.
820
00:39:17,935 --> 00:39:22,336
Sammy gets out from prison
in 2017.
821
00:39:22,435 --> 00:39:25,170
Brevetti: He lost his teeth,
lost his hair,
822
00:39:25,236 --> 00:39:28,338
was put in
solitary confinement,
823
00:39:28,437 --> 00:39:29,472
but he survived.
824
00:39:29,539 --> 00:39:31,172
Sammy had changed a lot.
825
00:39:31,238 --> 00:39:34,206
Raab: He had contracted
Graves' disease,
826
00:39:34,273 --> 00:39:36,774
a very serious
thyroid ailment.
827
00:39:36,841 --> 00:39:39,942
Gravano had always been
a health nut,
828
00:39:40,042 --> 00:39:44,009
and here he was -- gaunt,
his eyes were popping.
829
00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:46,410
He had aged 50 years.
830
00:39:48,578 --> 00:39:50,045
McShane: Ex-con...
831
00:39:50,145 --> 00:39:52,679
convicted drug dealer...
832
00:39:52,746 --> 00:39:54,046
mob rat --
833
00:39:54,113 --> 00:39:56,147
quite a résumé.
[ Chuckles ]
834
00:39:56,213 --> 00:40:00,481
Gabriel: Sammy Gravano,
I think, as with any wise guy,
835
00:40:00,548 --> 00:40:02,849
they're wise guys to the end.
836
00:40:02,949 --> 00:40:05,348
Normal people obey the rules.
837
00:40:05,416 --> 00:40:10,217
This is somebody who did not
and who lives to tell about it.
838
00:40:10,284 --> 00:40:11,584
Gabriel:
It's really ironic.
839
00:40:11,652 --> 00:40:15,053
He did a lot for the mob
to make the mob strong,
840
00:40:15,152 --> 00:40:18,153
and he did a heck of a lot more
to weaken the mob.
841
00:40:18,219 --> 00:40:21,955
And in order to better himself
at every stage,
842
00:40:22,022 --> 00:40:24,556
he did very evil things.
843
00:40:24,656 --> 00:40:28,223
But he is still out there
being Sammy Gravano,
844
00:40:28,290 --> 00:40:31,591
and he's going to take advantage
of his reputation.
845
00:40:31,658 --> 00:40:35,324
He's figured out a way
to turn his past into profit.
846
00:40:35,325 --> 00:40:39,026
He has a podcast,
which he calls
847
00:40:39,027 --> 00:40:41,961
Cosa Nostra -- Our Thing.
848
00:40:42,028 --> 00:40:46,427
I know part of the life
is deception.
849
00:40:46,428 --> 00:40:48,762
In planning a hit,
you're always doing something
850
00:40:48,763 --> 00:40:50,063
or saying something,
851
00:40:50,164 --> 00:40:51,964
and you're plotting
against a guy,
852
00:40:52,031 --> 00:40:54,464
but usually it happens
one, two, three.
853
00:40:56,264 --> 00:40:58,199
There's a bit of
a disconnect thinking,
854
00:40:58,265 --> 00:41:01,265
well, there's
this friendly, warm guy.
855
00:41:01,266 --> 00:41:04,301
On the other hand,
you know, he's a hitman.
856
00:41:05,068 --> 00:41:07,969
There's a complete fascination
with people
857
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:12,036
who live fearlessly,
kill people,
858
00:41:12,037 --> 00:41:13,936
doing it as part of business.
859
00:41:13,937 --> 00:41:15,336
♪♪
860
00:41:15,337 --> 00:41:17,336
Gabriel:
He's reliving those days.
861
00:41:17,337 --> 00:41:21,140
He's not hiding from who he was
and who he is,
862
00:41:21,206 --> 00:41:23,240
but thank God he's not
active in it, right,
863
00:41:23,306 --> 00:41:27,574
because he was a force
to be reckoned with when he was.
864
00:41:27,575 --> 00:41:32,309
♪♪
865
00:41:32,375 --> 00:41:34,342
Gravano's former boss,
John Gotti,
866
00:41:34,343 --> 00:41:36,944
spent the rest of his life
behind bars.
867
00:41:36,945 --> 00:41:39,477
He died from throat cancer
in 2002
868
00:41:39,478 --> 00:41:42,579
with his plan to kill Gravano
unfulfilled.
869
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,147
So many years after turning
government witness,
870
00:41:45,213 --> 00:41:47,480
Sammy "The Bull" Gravano
was thought to be safe
871
00:41:47,581 --> 00:41:48,781
from retribution.
872
00:41:48,881 --> 00:41:52,682
Most of his Mafia contemporaries
are dead or behind bars.
873
00:41:52,783 --> 00:41:55,183
He may have been New York's
first high-ranking mobster
874
00:41:55,249 --> 00:41:57,050
to violate omertà,
875
00:41:57,051 --> 00:42:00,051
but many others
have followed in his footsteps.
876
00:42:00,052 --> 00:42:01,284
I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
877
00:42:01,351 --> 00:42:02,819
Thanks for watching.
878
00:42:02,885 --> 00:42:04,252
Good night.