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Mark.
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LA. It's a cesspool...
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of creativity!
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Here in Los Angeles, everybody thinks
they have the next big idea,
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but only one or two
actually become the next big thing.
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The rest kinda end up in the trash.
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See this script?
I've been working on this for six years.
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It's garbage now.
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In LA, everyone knows
that a great idea can change your life.
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Also, a bad idea can change your life,
but for the worse.
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I think that's self-explanatory.
Anyway, I'm Paul Scheer.
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I'm an actor, director, writer, podcaster.
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I've been in a movie where I've been
attacked by killer piranha twice actually.
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I've done a lot of amazing things,
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but I still have a big dream
and that's to work for Disney.
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I mean,
they have my favorite properties ever.
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Marvel's here now.
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I mean, I grew up
loving Marvel comic books.
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I swear to God,
that photo is not doctored at all.
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Today,
I'm meeting the executives at Disney+
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to talk to them
about what they're looking for
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in their brand-new shows, so we'll see.
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-Hey, Paul. They're ready for you.
-Okay, great.
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-Thank you so much for coming in.
-Thank you for being here.
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Yes, it's fantastic to have you.
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I'm Agnes. Um,
I oversee content for Disney+.
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Um, this is Sarah.
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Hi. Sarah Shepard. I work on the
Original Scripted Content team with Agnes.
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And Dan Silver.
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I run Nonfiction for Disney+.
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Let me just tell you,
I'm a huge Disney fan,
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and I just kinda wanna understand
what you're looking for at Disney+.
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Disney+ represents
the timeless storytelling of our brands,
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but, also, we're looking for new stories
and new worlds and characters.
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So interesting to kinda figure out
what I would like to do,
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but I think the thing I'm most
gravitating towards right now is Marvel.
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I mean, I've written a handful
of Marvel comic books,
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but I gotta be honest,
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I feel like all the best
Marvel characters are kinda spoken for.
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Well, that's not necessarily the case.
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There are 8,000 characters
within the Marvel Universe.
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Just go to the Marvel Handbook,
and I would just flip to any page.
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There's gotta be something in there
that you could probably find.
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Yeah. Go deep, um, see what you can find,
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think outside the box,
and then come back to us with some ideas.
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You're right. I'll do my research,
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and I'll go back to the basics,
like Rocky training for a big fight,
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but be warned,
you better take off your shoes,
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-'cause I'm gonna knock your socks off.
-[all laugh]
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[Scheer] Killer joke, Paul.
You are crushing it.
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Disney+ threw down the gauntlet,
and it was my chance to pick it up?
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I dunno. I'm not really good
with medieval metaphors.
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All I knew was that I needed
to plumb the depths of Marvel's history
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and find characters
who never really got their shot.
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So I gathered my documentary crew
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to meet and talk
with some of my favorite Marvel writers,
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Reggie Hudlin, Donny Cates,
and Gerry Duggan,
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to pick their brains about some
Marvel history and forgotten characters.
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There's a great history in Marvel
of people taking underutilized characters
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-and taking them from B-list to A-list.
-Right.
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The X-Men was canceled.
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They didn't even make it to 100 issues
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-when they first came out,
-Whoa.
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and, all of a sudden, they were reinvented
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and became giant superstars,
with a number one book at Marvel.
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They might seem crazy
or, like, dumb at the time,
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but Wolverine, when he first showed up,
looked like a Goof Troop.
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-He looks like a goober. [chuckles]
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He's got a little kitty cat-like mask
on his face,
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and his claws
were supposed to be a part of his gloves,
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but someone found it
and had a cool story for it,
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and they turned it into a real thing.
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[Scheer] Gerry, when you wrote Deadpool,
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you often brought back
these older Marvel characters.
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What was the thinking behind that?
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We tried to take a couple of deep dives,
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-and we found a character like Madcap--
-Wait, wait, who's Madcap?
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[Duggan] He was a young man
in a car accident,
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who ran into an A.I.M. truck
filled with some toxic slop.
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We have to have the goop in there.
He gets covered in goop.
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It's just good comicking
to have some toxic slop
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that gives you something,
as it hopefully takes something from you.
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But Madcap ended up, sort of, having
an interesting power set for Deadpool.
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You can chop off Madcap's arm.
It will pop back on.
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So we tried to make him
a dark mirror for Deadpool.
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[Scheer] Yeah.
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I think what's fascinating about you is,
you take this character of Black Panther,
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-at a time when Black Panther,
-Mm-hmm.
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for lack of a better term, it's like
a B-list character when you take it over,
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and you, kind of,
imbue it with all this energy.
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Was it daunting?
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I knew what the opportunity was
with Black Panther if I did it right.
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I said, "I'm gonna write the comic book
equivalent of a Public Enemy record,
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a completely uncompromised,
politically provocative book,"
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and that was the key to success.
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Suddenly, we're selling huge numbers.
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I mean, more comics than
when Stan and Jack was writing the book.
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Do you remember
any of those books that you read,
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they didn't maybe catch on
or they were a little ahead of their time?
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There was a character, uh,
named Doctor Druid.
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He shows up in an Avengers issue,
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-on the cover.
-Okay.
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He's fighting crime in a bathrobe.
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He was like a pre-Lebowski Lebowski,
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and I go,
"Here's a man of leisure, a magic-user.
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-I'm immediately interested."
-Yeah.
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-"What's his origin? How did this happen?"
-Yeah.
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Well, his origin was,
he just kinda bumped into the same guy
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that made Doctor Strange, the Ancient One,
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and he gave him some magic powers
to go away.
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-[chuckles]
-And I was like, "Wait, why are we--
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Why are we having
bargain-basement Sorcerer Supreme now?"
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There's a character called the Whizzer.
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The Whizzer can run so fast
that he can make little tornadoes.
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-[Scheer] Okay.
-So he will do some stuff really fast,
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and then people are, sort of, sucked up.
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[Scheer] So, almost like
a Tasmanian Devil-esque?
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[Duggan] Yes.
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His origin was that he, uh,
was injected with,
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or injected himself with, mongoose blood.
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What was in the mongoose blood?
Is it like radioactive mongoose blood?
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I don't know.
Are mongooses known for being fast?
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I mean, even if they are,
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you wouldn't just get the power
of a mongoose through the blood.
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You ever heard of the bad guy Typeface?
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Like-- like-- like a typeface,
like a printing typeface?
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-Type on his face.
-No.
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[Cates] He's this guy who worked
for this sign-making company,
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and then a new guy comes in
and buys his building
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-and fires him,
-Okay.
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and now he's a supervillain.
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-I swear to God, that's--
-A sign-making supervillain?
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[Cates] He has letters that he took off
of the sign, attached all over his body,
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and he writes in perfect signage painting.
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He puts an "R" on his forehead
that is for "revenge,"
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and then
he just throws these letters, like...
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[Scheer laughs]
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[Duggan] A super fun idea that came out
of the '80s was Damage Control.
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-These are not superheroes.
-Okay.
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This is a group that showed up
after the superhero fight,
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to, like, dig out from under it.
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-They pick up the buildings--
-They're basically contractors?
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They're contractors who show up
to clean up the superhero mess.
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Satan's son is a superhero
in the Marvel Universe.
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He has a very on-the-nose name
of Son of Satan.
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Like, no outfit.
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He's just got the '70s open chest
with a pentagram on it.
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-So he's a bad guy obviously.
-No, he's a good guy.
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-What?
-Yeah, he ha--
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That's-- See now all of a sudden--
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-Yeah, now--
-I-- You--
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I would be interested in a villain,
but now I'm super interested in a hero.
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Yeah. I love that. So he's Satan's son.
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-Is he rebelling against Satan?
-Yeah.
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He's like,
"I'm gonna go be with the heroes now."
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Okay, so let me tell you about
one of my favorite and craziest books.
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Okay.
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I don't know if you've ever heard
of the trucker superhero, U.S. 1.
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Wait, I didn't even know
there was a trucker superhero.
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-Superhero is a real strong word.
-Okay. [chuckles]
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-Um, it was a 12-issue series,
-Okay.
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and it was during, like, the big-rig boom
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where they had
all these films and TV shows
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about truckers were, like,
the coolest thing in the world.
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He grows up in a legacy trucking family.
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Everyone in his family are truckers.
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So, he wants to be a trucker
so bad, right?
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But [chuckles] his family insist
that he go to college.
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-Uh, he doesn't want that at all.
-No.
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Then, he's in his brother's rig,
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and this rig comes out of nowhere
and pushes them off the road,
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-and his brother dies, and U.S. gets--
-Okay.
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his head gets caved in,
and he, like, all but dies.
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This is insane.
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For whatever reason, U.S. was a guy
who was important enough,
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where they did experimental surgery
to fix his brain,
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and they put this crazy
metal plate in his head,
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and when they did that,
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he discovered that by pressing his tongue
to his fillings,
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he could pick up CB radio transmissions.
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[Scheer] This is the most
insane thing ever.
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So, he's got the power
of a CB radio in his body--
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-Which I don't know what it gets you.
-It seems like if he had the power
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to control trucks with his mind,
that's something.
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-That's a thing.
-Yeah.
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[Cates] By the end of the 12-issue run,
it ends in space.
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Okay, and now they're in space?
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[Cates] He ends this whole thing
as a space trucker.
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[Scheer chuckles] Come on.
How could that not be a hit?
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I do have one lead for you.
There's a group called Brute Force.
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Wait, wait, what's Brute Force?
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Brute Force is a group of, uh,
superhero animals
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-that are fighting for the environment.
-Okay.
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Wait, [stammers]
they're like The Avengers, but animals?
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This is amaz-- This is a whole team?
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It's a dolphin with a sub-machine gun.
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Wait-- How does he hold it?
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-Flingers. It's like a flipper...
-[chuckles]
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Wait, is he literally, like--
So, the flippers are carrying a gun?
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These are science heroes.
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-Let's be honest.
-Okay, sure.
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There's not a lot of toxic goop, uh,
that made these guys.
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Brute Force. I love this.
I love the title. I love the idea. This--
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-We need more Brute Force.
-We do.
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I mean, this is an amaz--
This is the best lead I've gotten.
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[Scheer]
Brute Force was awesome and weird.
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I mean, very, very weird,
and since it only had four issues,
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it didn't take me long to become,
kind of, a Brute Force scholar.
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So, here's what you need to know.
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Brute Force opens
with a group of deranged clowns,
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yes, clowns,
who break into the lab of Dr. Pierce,
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who we can tell is a super cool doctor
because, you know, he's got a ponytail.
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Now they're there to steal a gorilla,
which they do,
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and Dr. Pierce isn't some nerd scientist
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who's gonna wait for authorities
to handle this matter. No, no, no.
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He's got a ponytail.
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So instead,
he equips and arms a group of animals,
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a bear, kangaroo, dolphin, lion and eagle,
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with something he calls power armor,
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which gives them human-level speech,
intelligence and various other powers.
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One of which, seemingly, is infighting.
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This team fights more than my
estranged family at a forced reunion.
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Over the course of the four-issue series,
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we find Brute Force facing off
against an evil CEO named Frost,
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whose evil plans
are to defeat all of his corporate enemies
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and/or turn humanity
into pollution breathing monsters?
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I'm not 100% clear on that.
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Did I mention that Frost also has a team
of equally matched cybernetic animals?
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'Cause, yeah. He does.
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That's why he kidnapped a gorilla
in the first place, and, seemingly,
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that's the only successful mission he's
able to pull off in the entire series.
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Brute Force were basically
animal mercenaries
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who protect the planet
from those who would do it harm.
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They attacked oil tankers,
destroyed coal plants
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and even saved the rain forest, twice.
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Even though they were victorious,
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it seemed like they sometimes created
major collateral damage in the process,
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but it's all good when you have a kangaroo
who can quip like this.
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I mean, honestly, after reading this,
I was curious why it didn't work.
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I mean, what's not to love
about this superhero team?
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What do you think the difference is when
an idea works and when it doesn't work?
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You have to look at a couple of things.
One is, did you do it good enough?
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-Right.
-It's very easy to project out,
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"Oh, the people are stupid,"
or "I was ahead of my time,"
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or maybe you just didn't quite execute
the idea as strong as it should have been.
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The other thing is,
you could suffer the pains of being first.
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-Right.
-Right?
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And sometimes you're the breakthrough,
but not the breakout.
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You know, maybe,
people will look back and go,
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"This book was the first
to actually go there, to cross the line,
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and then other people built off that,"
or maybe not.
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We can't know
how history's gonna judge us.
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[Scheer] Reggie was right.
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Brute Force was ahead of its time,
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and I know he didn't directly kinda
"say that" say that,
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but this is a documentary.
I gotta find connective tissue somewhere.
257
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So, if I was gonna rebirth Brute Force,
I needed to find out more about it.
258
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I mean, its creation,
its development, who was behind it,
259
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and that brought me to its editor.
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My name is Bob Budiansky,
and from 1976 through 1996,
261
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I was an artist, writer,
and editor for Marvel Comics.
262
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I had a fairly-- [stammers]
a fairly unique job at Marvel.
263
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My job evolved
into becoming the special projects editor.
264
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This is back in the middle of the 1980s,
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and Marvel was getting
all of these companies
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coming at Marvel, right and left, saying,
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"Hey, we want you to develop our property
into a comic book."
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These were toy companies, movie companies,
the National Football League,
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and so my job as an editor
was to work with the company
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to create their vision,
whatever that might be,
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and make it a successful comic book.
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I had the opportunity to get
a whole range of experiences like this,
273
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of trying out new things
and seeing if the market would accept it.
274
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I think it all began with Star Wars.
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Marvel started
putting out Star Wars comic books
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a few months before the movie came out,
and they were tremendously successful,
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and, obviously,
Star Wars was tremendously successful,
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and that, uh, evolved into
the next big project that Marvel did,
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which was G.I. Joe,
a similar success story.
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And then the next big one
was Transformers.
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The job of an editor
is to get the product out the door,
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to assemble the creative teams,
to give 'em guidance,
283
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and to get it out by certain deadlines.
284
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I was multitasking, you know, 10 or 15
different projects at a time, typically.
285
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So, Brute Force
was just another blip on the radar for me.
286
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It was a miniseries.
Sure, we'll give it a shot.
287
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I didn't make the decisions about
whether to accept publishing it or not.
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It was given to me by my editor in chief
at the time, Tom DeFalco.
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I think the thinking behind it was,
up until then,
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Marvel had been extremely successful
developing story lines
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for toy properties
owned by other toy companies,
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G.I. Joe and Transformers
being the obvious examples,
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but Marvel had yet to develop
its own line of characters
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that could be turned into toys as
successful as Transformers and G.I. Joe.
295
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So, Charlie came, you know,
made his presentation.
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I think Tom DeFalco
thought there was some potential there.
297
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We could produce these characters
that are very toyetic.
298
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You know, they are these animals
that have all these robotic features.
299
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It was the hot thing back then
with Transformers being in the market.
300
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So, Marvel wanted to give it a chance
301
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and see if it could be developed
into animation, into a toy line somewhere.
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I don't remember the conversation
and how I said to Simon, "I want you,"
303
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or whatever, but he was a guy
I was familiar with, and he was hungry.
304
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So, it was a good fit.
305
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[Scheer] I was getting close to unlocking
the mystery of Brute Force,
306
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and now I had a clue:
Simon Furman, the writer of Brute Force.
307
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And I needed to travel to London
to speak to him immediately.
308
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Hey, Paul. We're not budgeted
for international travel.
309
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[Scheer] On second thought,
why travel when I have a computer
310
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and a semi-fast Internet connection...
311
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which is truly
the best way to communicate,
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especially in a documentary
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where you really wanna see the person
and be in the same room with them.
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I'm Simon Furman,
a writer for Marvel Comics.
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[Scheer] Simon was
an influential comic creator
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that started at Marvel on books
like Alpha Flight and Death's Head.
317
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He took over Transformers from Bob
in the 1990s
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and has become one of the most
prolific writers in that series' history.
319
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He also wrote
all four issues of Brute Force,
320
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and I wanted to see how he got involved
321
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with such a crazy, weird book
and what he thought of it.
322
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Brute Force is a strange one
323
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because it came from an animator
originally, called Charles Viola,
324
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-Okay.
-who had developed these characters,
325
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brought them to Marvel, and said,
326
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"Look, you know,
we could do this the other way around.
327
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Rather than you have a toy line
that you make a comic book out of,
328
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we make a comic book
set up to be a toy line."
329
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So he and Bob Budiansky, more or less,
330
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developed this together,
the characters, the setup.
331
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Then they just needed a writer,
332
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so he just came to me and said
would I jump in at that point.
333
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So, are you getting just raw designs
and character names?
334
00:18:04,459 --> 00:18:08,459
Like, how much do you have to go off of
when you're creating this series?
335
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I had a, sort of, loose bible,
I suppose, for the series,
336
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you know, the general setup,
the character designs, some of the names.
337
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The heavy lifting
was done by Bob and Charles.
338
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So, do you have any connection to them,
or this was more of a-- just another job?
339
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It was, kind of, another thing on my desk,
you know,
340
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and honestly, if it had taken off,
I'd have been very happy,
341
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but once it kinda didn't, it just sort of
was maybe wrong time, wrong place for it.
342
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I think they were quite unique,
in a way, for their time.
343
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You know, it was very eco-themed,
which wasn't widespread at the time.
344
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[stammers] It had tapped into something
quite early I think,
345
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and concerns about animal welfare,
346
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even though, strangely,
what you've got is a set of animals
347
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who have effectively been experimented on
and augmented,
348
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but, you know,
if we skip over that little bit.
349
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-[chuckles]
-But I think it felt properly all ages,
350
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which I think was part of the great thing
about it and part of the problem.
351
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[Scheer] So it's a comic book
that was made to be a toy,
352
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but it wasn't adult enough for adults
and not kid enough for kids.
353
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I needed to find out
what the creator truly was inspired by,
354
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which is why I had to meet Charles Viola.
355
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Now he lived in Iowa,
356
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and since we couldn't afford
to fly everyone to Iowa, I guess,
357
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I just rented a place in LA
and pretended like it was his house.
358
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You'll never know the difference.
359
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My name is Charlie Viola,
and I'm the creator of Brute Force.
360
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-Okay, so I'm talking to you.
-Yeah, we're just gonna...
361
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Just you and me.
362
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Where did this idea come from?
363
00:19:47,187 --> 00:19:49,357
Well, animals have always
been a part of our society,
364
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but usually you have them
pulling a wagon or something like that.
365
00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:55,570
I think in the future, we're gonna
be able to communicate with them,
366
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and we're gonna find out they're
a lot more intelligent than we thought.
367
00:19:59,491 --> 00:20:02,581
In this case, you can see
the dolphin now has become a vehicle.
368
00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:04,160
He's got wheels here.
369
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So, what he can do is,
he can retract his arms and legs...
370
00:20:07,749 --> 00:20:09,919
-Oh, wow.
-...and work with wheels.
371
00:20:10,001 --> 00:20:12,131
Now some people, when this came out, said,
372
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"That's impossible.
You can't have bionic arms and legs,"
373
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but actually, it is possible.
374
00:20:17,092 --> 00:20:19,342
Here we got the bear on a trike
and on a motorcycle.
375
00:20:19,427 --> 00:20:22,137
-And here he's driving, like, a--
-How many vehicles do these animals have?
376
00:20:22,222 --> 00:20:24,852
You see, these were all experimental.
We talked about them in the meetings.
377
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-Here he's on some other motorcycle--
-[Scheer] By the way, this is--
378
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[Viola] That's with the bear-zooka
that he's got there.
379
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[Scheer] I love this bear-zooka.
380
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I've seen circuses
where they have bears ride on motorcycles.
381
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-I don't know if you've seen that. So...
-Yeah.
382
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-...somehow that stuck in my mind.
-Yeah, you're--
383
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It's almost like making him
partly comfortable
384
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because I think it's in their nature
a little bit.
385
00:20:43,326 --> 00:20:45,366
-What is this? This is amazing.
-If they wanted to know a little bit--
386
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At the meetings, they wanted
to know about their personal life.
387
00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:49,871
So I had the bear in his own home there,
388
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and he's got the refrigerator,
and he's got the honey dispenser.
389
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[Scheer]
I love that the bear has a home life
390
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where he actually takes off the armor,
391
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and you've made it so
he doesn't even have to use his fingers.
392
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He's basically pressing a button
to open the fridge door to get honey.
393
00:21:04,514 --> 00:21:05,644
This is amazing.
394
00:21:05,724 --> 00:21:07,064
[Viola] So now we got the lion--
395
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Talk to me about the headband on the lion.
What is the headband doing?
396
00:21:10,311 --> 00:21:14,651
Well, you know, I wanted to have some type
of neuroenhancer technology.
397
00:21:14,733 --> 00:21:16,783
Nowadays, they're experimenting
with technology
398
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that allow people to operate prosthetics,
like people who've lost a limb,
399
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-with their brain waves.
-Yeah. Got it.
400
00:21:22,323 --> 00:21:23,583
And you have something--
401
00:21:23,658 --> 00:21:26,408
They actually install
the technology right now,
402
00:21:26,494 --> 00:21:28,874
but they could put it on
in a case-- headband,
403
00:21:29,456 --> 00:21:33,076
so that people could use
their brain waves to move body parts.
404
00:21:33,168 --> 00:21:35,588
So I was already thinking ahead
to that kind of technology.
405
00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:38,550
This is amazing.
Charles, you're a toy designer
406
00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:42,301
who is so far down the rabbit hole
in science,
407
00:21:42,385 --> 00:21:45,305
you're almost like
a modern-day Jules Verne in a way.
408
00:21:45,388 --> 00:21:47,178
This is so ahead of its time.
409
00:21:48,099 --> 00:21:51,019
So I know that you created this,
and this is very dear to you.
410
00:21:51,102 --> 00:21:54,272
Would you be okay with,
you know, someone, like,
411
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leading the charge
of a future Brute Force team?
412
00:21:57,984 --> 00:21:59,534
Oh, sure. I think they'd be great in TV.
413
00:21:59,611 --> 00:22:01,451
I think they're
a little ahead of their time,
414
00:22:01,529 --> 00:22:03,989
'cause back then we didn't have the CGI.
415
00:22:04,074 --> 00:22:05,664
Plus, they could use some updates.
416
00:22:05,742 --> 00:22:08,912
[Scheer] This could be the new X-Men
or Fantastic Four.
417
00:22:08,995 --> 00:22:11,575
This is incredible. It's gonna be huge.
418
00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:13,834
There was a lot to do, but first,
419
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I needed to walk contemplatively
down a nondescript street.
420
00:22:17,796 --> 00:22:20,466
It's a good documentary technique
that helps the audience understand
421
00:22:20,548 --> 00:22:23,048
that I'm really wrestling
with something very important.
422
00:22:23,134 --> 00:22:25,014
After talking to Charles
and seeing his passion,
423
00:22:25,095 --> 00:22:28,805
I realized this was the perfect property
for Disney+.
424
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I mean, it had limitless possibilities,
425
00:22:31,393 --> 00:22:35,313
but I needed to see if people were ready
to accept an animal superhero team.
426
00:22:35,397 --> 00:22:40,027
Because a Marvel show is nothing
without its fans, but where could I go?
427
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-[producer] Hey, Paul.
-Yeah.
428
00:22:42,237 --> 00:22:44,107
How about San Diego Comic-Con?
429
00:22:47,075 --> 00:22:50,825
[Scheer] Ah, yes, Comic-Con.
What a great idea, Paul.
430
00:22:50,912 --> 00:22:53,292
You really are a natural at documentaries.
431
00:22:53,957 --> 00:22:57,957
So, we went to Comic-Con to secretly
focus-test the idea of Brute Force
432
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without telling anyone
exactly what it was.
433
00:23:00,630 --> 00:23:03,930
What would you think
of an animal superhero team?
434
00:23:04,009 --> 00:23:07,389
-I think that would be great.
-We're definitely animal lovers.
435
00:23:07,470 --> 00:23:10,770
We have snakes. We have turtles.
We have German shepherds.
436
00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:12,059
-Dogs.
-Big dogs, yeah.
437
00:23:12,142 --> 00:23:17,652
I would absolutely love to see a superhero
animated series with animals, 100%.
438
00:23:17,731 --> 00:23:20,361
Probably the lion.
The lion seems pretty good.
439
00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:24,242
I'd give him the power of the sun
'cause of the way he looks,
440
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'cause the mane will energize him.
441
00:23:27,323 --> 00:23:32,123
I am very partial to kangaroos and
would love to see one have superpowers.
442
00:23:32,203 --> 00:23:34,663
I could definitely see kung fu abilities.
443
00:23:34,748 --> 00:23:39,668
I would definitely see boxing, like,
a wide range of different fighting styles.
444
00:23:39,753 --> 00:23:42,213
[Scheer] What do you think
these animal Avengers would do?
445
00:23:42,297 --> 00:23:43,377
They'd be environmentalists,
446
00:23:43,465 --> 00:23:46,125
so they'd wanna protect the Earth,
wanna protect nature,
447
00:23:46,885 --> 00:23:49,295
stop all these people
from trying to destroy it.
448
00:23:51,389 --> 00:23:53,389
[Scheer] Comic-Con was a success.
449
00:23:53,475 --> 00:23:57,725
These fans totally got the idea
and seemed genuinely excited to see it.
450
00:24:00,148 --> 00:24:03,148
Bringing Brute Force to life
was a tall order.
451
00:24:03,234 --> 00:24:06,404
On the surface,
a group of cybernetic animal superheroes
452
00:24:06,488 --> 00:24:08,278
could be comical if done wrong.
453
00:24:08,365 --> 00:24:11,525
And I also knew that equipping
actual animals with cybernetic implants
454
00:24:11,618 --> 00:24:14,698
was not only immoral
but would probably enrage the ASPCA
455
00:24:14,788 --> 00:24:16,748
and shut down production
before we even began.
456
00:24:16,831 --> 00:24:20,211
Which left me with one option: animation.
457
00:24:20,293 --> 00:24:23,763
Marvel has this amazingly long history
of producing
458
00:24:23,838 --> 00:24:27,968
some of the best animated shows on TV,
and they still do to this day.
459
00:24:28,051 --> 00:24:31,301
But for me, this is where
I fell in love with Marvel.
460
00:24:31,388 --> 00:24:32,888
I would race home every day from school
461
00:24:32,972 --> 00:24:37,312
and watch all the classic
'90s Marvel animated TV shows.
462
00:24:37,394 --> 00:24:39,564
These shows hold a special place
in my heart
463
00:24:39,646 --> 00:24:42,646
as they took
the fantastical world of Marvel
464
00:24:42,732 --> 00:24:44,612
and grounded them in a real world,
465
00:24:44,693 --> 00:24:47,953
which was something
that was very rarely done at the time.
466
00:24:49,614 --> 00:24:51,704
Working in animation
is a really collaborative art.
467
00:24:51,783 --> 00:24:54,293
Animators and writers get together
to pitch ideas
468
00:24:54,369 --> 00:24:57,619
in the hopes to find the perfect way
to embody these characters.
469
00:24:58,164 --> 00:25:02,094
Many times, you go through
several stylistic and tonal changes,
470
00:25:02,168 --> 00:25:05,548
and it's a process that I went through
with 6 Point Harness,
471
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:07,470
which is an animation studio in LA.
472
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:09,049
-Welcome to 6 Point.
-Thanks so much.
473
00:25:09,134 --> 00:25:12,644
Here we're getting into
that, kinda, '90s throwback feel.
474
00:25:12,721 --> 00:25:14,011
Yeah.
475
00:25:14,097 --> 00:25:17,387
Like the Land Before Time,
All Dogs Go to Heaven.
476
00:25:17,475 --> 00:25:19,185
-So classic.
-[animator] Yeah, it's classic.
477
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:21,399
Very cartoony in a way.
478
00:25:21,479 --> 00:25:25,279
-This is almost a little too kiddie.
-[animator] Mm.
479
00:25:25,358 --> 00:25:29,568
I want this to be the show that
the kids sneak into their parents' room
480
00:25:29,654 --> 00:25:32,994
and they're watching it, and they're like,
"What? How did I get to see that?"
481
00:25:33,074 --> 00:25:34,874
That's great.
That goes right into our next one,
482
00:25:34,951 --> 00:25:37,701
which is kind of like a band,
a musical band.
483
00:25:38,121 --> 00:25:40,461
K-pop, so hot right now.
484
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:43,500
No, they're not a K-pop band.
No, that's not--
485
00:25:43,585 --> 00:25:45,205
-But K-pop is huge.
-I know K-pop is huge.
486
00:25:45,295 --> 00:25:47,705
They're not that. They're never in a band.
487
00:25:47,797 --> 00:25:49,667
There's never been anything
about being in a band.
488
00:25:49,758 --> 00:25:52,138
I want it to be action-packed.
489
00:25:52,218 --> 00:25:56,468
I want it to feel a little bit scary
but also really accessible.
490
00:25:56,556 --> 00:25:59,556
Maybe something like this. You know?
491
00:25:59,642 --> 00:26:01,692
He's devouring that soldier.
492
00:26:01,770 --> 00:26:05,360
-The soldier has a ripped-off foot?
-[animator] Mm-hmm.
493
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,150
They have knives for teeth.
494
00:26:09,277 --> 00:26:12,817
Okay. Well, they don't.
The animals don't have knives for teeth.
495
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,580
I'm sad to say
this is closer to what I pictured.
496
00:26:16,659 --> 00:26:17,659
Great!
497
00:26:17,744 --> 00:26:20,714
When people think about animation,
I want them to think about this show
498
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:23,379
and be like, "Oh, my God.
I can't believe that they did that."
499
00:26:23,458 --> 00:26:24,958
-We could do that.
-We'd love that.
500
00:26:25,043 --> 00:26:26,753
So, I wrote down a number.
501
00:26:26,836 --> 00:26:28,626
What can I get for this?
502
00:26:31,466 --> 00:26:34,086
-Uh... like two--
-Two minutes.
503
00:26:35,929 --> 00:26:36,929
-Two?
-Two minutes.
504
00:26:37,013 --> 00:26:38,183
-Two minutes?
-Yes.
505
00:26:39,015 --> 00:26:41,015
Okay. Yeah, two minutes.
Let's do two minutes.
506
00:26:41,101 --> 00:26:42,561
-Two minutes is good.
-Yeah, totally.
507
00:26:42,644 --> 00:26:44,814
-Let's do two minutes.
-All right, great. Two minutes.
508
00:26:45,772 --> 00:26:47,272
[Scheer] I left that meeting confident
509
00:26:47,357 --> 00:26:50,107
that we'd eventually land
on the proper animation style.
510
00:26:50,193 --> 00:26:55,323
But now it was time to focus on story
and the way that Marvel tells a story.
511
00:26:55,865 --> 00:26:57,985
Which is why I reach out to Steve Wacker,
512
00:26:58,076 --> 00:27:01,076
who not only was a senior editor
at Marvel Comics,
513
00:27:01,162 --> 00:27:04,082
but also was the VP of Marvel Animation.
514
00:27:04,165 --> 00:27:09,415
Under his watch, he guided the voices
and styles of dozens of characters,
515
00:27:09,504 --> 00:27:11,924
and I figured Steve would have
some very good insight
516
00:27:12,007 --> 00:27:15,387
on what makes something
exclusively Marvel.
517
00:27:15,468 --> 00:27:19,388
All right,
so there is a ton of Marvel books,
518
00:27:19,472 --> 00:27:22,522
but what are the things that
connect it with an audience?
519
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,560
It's a great question. If we knew exactly
how to do it, we'd hit it every time.
520
00:27:26,646 --> 00:27:29,936
We've got, at this point,
over 8,000 characters,
521
00:27:30,025 --> 00:27:32,275
most of which you've never even heard of.
522
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:37,030
-I'm talking about Leather Boy. I'm talk--
-Who is Leather Boy?
523
00:27:37,115 --> 00:27:39,985
I don't wanna talk about it.
Uh... Street Poet Ray.
524
00:27:40,076 --> 00:27:41,446
That's not a real character.
525
00:27:41,536 --> 00:27:44,326
Street Poet Ray
was a comic that we published.
526
00:27:44,414 --> 00:27:47,294
It was the early '90s, when that,
sort of, poetry slam thing
527
00:27:47,375 --> 00:27:49,165
-was getting to be big again.
-[Scheer laughs]
528
00:27:49,252 --> 00:27:50,422
Is he a superhero?
529
00:27:50,503 --> 00:27:55,883
No, but he has opinions
on the state of the world, circa 1990.
530
00:27:55,967 --> 00:27:57,427
[Scheer] I need to get this.
531
00:27:57,510 --> 00:28:00,510
For me, when I was editing comics,
532
00:28:00,597 --> 00:28:02,927
what I would talk to writers about
and artists about
533
00:28:03,016 --> 00:28:06,636
is find the character
that you can pour yourself into.
534
00:28:06,728 --> 00:28:08,308
-Use that as the starting point.
-Right.
535
00:28:08,396 --> 00:28:10,936
The first time I noticed it
as a reader was
536
00:28:11,024 --> 00:28:13,944
when Frank Miller came onto Daredevil
as the writer,
537
00:28:14,027 --> 00:28:15,897
and slowly Frank took over the book.
538
00:28:15,987 --> 00:28:18,777
His art style was second to none,
539
00:28:18,865 --> 00:28:23,325
and you could see Frank's experiences
color the entire book.
540
00:28:23,411 --> 00:28:26,291
So it's almost like
you're putting yourself as the character.
541
00:28:26,373 --> 00:28:28,083
-It's a version of acting.
-Right.
542
00:28:28,166 --> 00:28:31,496
I guess what I'm wondering is,
what makes certain comics work?
543
00:28:31,586 --> 00:28:33,666
I mean, like Spider-Man.
544
00:28:34,255 --> 00:28:38,635
It's been around forever,
but what about it connects with people?
545
00:28:39,302 --> 00:28:40,642
[Wacker] It's at the right time.
546
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,640
So it's '62, this comes out,
547
00:28:43,723 --> 00:28:47,693
and it's right at the time
teenagers are gonna take over pop culture.
548
00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:50,439
-Stan at the time was around 40.
-That's what I'm saying.
549
00:28:50,522 --> 00:28:53,532
You're saying throw yourself into it.
You have a 40-year-old man--
550
00:28:53,608 --> 00:28:58,238
But he found new stories
about what it was like to be a teen
551
00:28:58,321 --> 00:29:00,781
at a time when
we didn't have teenage superheroes.
552
00:29:00,865 --> 00:29:03,485
All these other big superheroes
tended to skew older.
553
00:29:03,576 --> 00:29:04,576
[Scheer] Right.
554
00:29:04,661 --> 00:29:06,161
-All his villains are old.
-Right.
555
00:29:06,246 --> 00:29:08,866
There's the Vulture
who looks like Larry David with wings.
556
00:29:08,957 --> 00:29:11,457
-[Scheer chuckles]
-It's just frustrating that they find out
557
00:29:11,543 --> 00:29:13,883
they're getting beat up on
by a 15-year-old.
558
00:29:13,962 --> 00:29:18,132
So it's like finding a little niche
that no one's been, kind of, cultivating.
559
00:29:18,216 --> 00:29:21,756
Actually, the essence of everything we do
is finding characters that don't exist,
560
00:29:21,845 --> 00:29:23,555
-finding an audience.
-Yeah.
561
00:29:23,638 --> 00:29:29,268
You know, this led, 50 years later,
to when I worked on Ms. Marvel.
562
00:29:29,352 --> 00:29:33,442
I was speaking with Sana Amanat,
who worked at my office,
563
00:29:33,523 --> 00:29:37,443
talking about her experiences
as a young Muslim girl in New Jersey
564
00:29:37,527 --> 00:29:40,157
and always having to look
at the white superhero
565
00:29:40,238 --> 00:29:42,658
and never having a superhero
that looked like her.
566
00:29:42,741 --> 00:29:45,371
I said, "Why don't we do that?"
'Cause there's an audience for it.
567
00:29:45,452 --> 00:29:47,542
There are these young girls
all over the world,
568
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:51,120
and suddenly, we've got a new young hero
representing someone else.
569
00:29:51,207 --> 00:29:55,297
In my mind, the Spider-Man DNA runs
right through all of Marvel,
570
00:29:55,378 --> 00:29:57,918
right to characters of today,
like Ms. Marvel.
571
00:29:58,673 --> 00:30:02,343
We talk about individual characters.
What about teams?
572
00:30:02,427 --> 00:30:06,847
Teams seem to be a big part
of the Marvel Universe.
573
00:30:07,307 --> 00:30:11,687
To me, the most Marvel way of approaching
it is approaching it like a family
574
00:30:11,770 --> 00:30:14,310
'cause that's what Stan and Jack did
with Fantastic Four.
575
00:30:14,397 --> 00:30:15,687
They're Marvel's first team.
576
00:30:15,774 --> 00:30:18,494
They're really
what launched the modern Marvel Universe.
577
00:30:18,568 --> 00:30:22,488
That family dynamic was also new
when Stan and Jack did it.
578
00:30:22,572 --> 00:30:24,912
-[Scheer] Yeah.
-People on teams arguing with each other.
579
00:30:24,991 --> 00:30:27,871
With Fantastic Four,
the Thing is quitting every third issue.
580
00:30:27,952 --> 00:30:28,912
[Scheer] Right.
581
00:30:28,995 --> 00:30:31,915
[Wacker] Johnny Storm, he's a pain
in the ass, lighting everybody on fire.
582
00:30:31,998 --> 00:30:37,168
Sue's very much a 1950s housewife mom
trying to keep the peace.
583
00:30:37,253 --> 00:30:38,173
Then you got Reed,
584
00:30:38,254 --> 00:30:40,804
who's a little above it all
watching the madness go around him,
585
00:30:40,882 --> 00:30:43,392
and he's so distracted
by inventing time machines.
586
00:30:44,135 --> 00:30:46,045
So the reason why I'm bringing you here
587
00:30:46,554 --> 00:30:51,064
is because I'm thinking
about rebooting Brute Force.
588
00:30:51,142 --> 00:30:52,142
[chuckles]
589
00:30:52,227 --> 00:30:55,557
But, wait, don't they make sense?
I mean, they're family. They're niche.
590
00:30:55,647 --> 00:30:57,397
It's a big problem in the world.
591
00:30:57,482 --> 00:30:59,732
We're having
all these ecological disasters,
592
00:30:59,818 --> 00:31:03,448
so they're gonna be fighting that.
I mean, what do you think?
593
00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:06,160
Look, I don't think
there are any bad characters.
594
00:31:06,241 --> 00:31:10,541
Okay. That's a good thing.
Better than Street Poet Ray?
595
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:13,290
Uh... on par with Street Poet Ray,
596
00:31:13,373 --> 00:31:15,003
-I can fairly say.
-Okay, okay.
597
00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:19,673
What might be an interesting story
is the way that Brute Force is created.
598
00:31:19,754 --> 00:31:22,014
-They are suddenly given intelligence...
-Right.
599
00:31:22,090 --> 00:31:24,050
...and it happens relatively quickly.
600
00:31:24,134 --> 00:31:26,684
There's a lot of story space there
to explore.
601
00:31:26,761 --> 00:31:30,641
That feels like a struggle
that we all have universally,
602
00:31:30,724 --> 00:31:33,894
to try to figure out what our humanity is.
What does it mean to be human?
603
00:31:33,977 --> 00:31:35,807
What is it like
to suddenly have consciousness?
604
00:31:35,895 --> 00:31:37,685
-Right.
-And I think there's something in there
605
00:31:37,772 --> 00:31:40,362
that's kind of rich, and I know we're
talking about this for laughs,
606
00:31:40,442 --> 00:31:42,902
-but now I'm into this a little.
-No! I love this.
607
00:31:42,986 --> 00:31:45,946
It's, kind of, becoming like
this idea of what Spider-Man was.
608
00:31:46,031 --> 00:31:48,581
-Like, you know, it's a new iPhone.
-Slow down.
609
00:31:50,243 --> 00:31:52,543
I mean, I think you're right.
This is the new Spider-Man.
610
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:55,370
This is gonna launch Marvel
for the next 80 years, right?
611
00:31:55,457 --> 00:31:57,667
I don't want you to say
that I'm right about that.
612
00:31:57,751 --> 00:31:59,251
Yeah. Yeah.
613
00:31:59,336 --> 00:32:00,746
But there is something there.
614
00:32:00,837 --> 00:32:03,797
Yeah, as you're talking, I work closely
with Marvel Animation
615
00:32:03,882 --> 00:32:07,342
on shows like Avengers
and Guardians of the Galaxy.
616
00:32:07,427 --> 00:32:10,307
I could see a version of this
in that world a little bit.
617
00:32:10,388 --> 00:32:13,558
So, you'd green light it
if it came to you across your desk?
618
00:32:14,017 --> 00:32:15,227
You have it on tape now.
619
00:32:17,062 --> 00:32:19,442
[Scheer] I needed to find
these characters' humanity.
620
00:32:19,522 --> 00:32:21,482
And speaking of these characters,
621
00:32:21,566 --> 00:32:24,106
I needed to check back in
at 6 Point Harness
622
00:32:24,194 --> 00:32:26,204
to see how the designs were coming along.
623
00:32:28,531 --> 00:32:29,951
Hey. What's up? What's going on?
624
00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:32,493
-Oh, just finished these. Check it out.
-They look great.
625
00:32:32,577 --> 00:32:34,247
-Yeah, let me...
-Here. Hit enter.
626
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,330
Huh?
627
00:32:36,414 --> 00:32:41,004
So, they still have knives for teeth?
Yeah. Okay. [sighs]
628
00:32:41,086 --> 00:32:42,876
What? Uh...
629
00:32:44,297 --> 00:32:45,587
[Scheer] After a few more notes,
630
00:32:45,674 --> 00:32:48,474
we were able to settle
on an animation style that we all loved.
631
00:32:48,551 --> 00:32:50,511
Yeah, see? Much better.
632
00:32:50,595 --> 00:32:54,015
And now it was time
for the most important part: casting.
633
00:32:54,099 --> 00:32:57,519
Marvel Animation is known
for finding the perfect voice actors
634
00:32:57,602 --> 00:32:59,062
that bring their characters to life.
635
00:32:59,145 --> 00:33:02,515
Oh, and I know firsthand,
as you might remember
636
00:33:02,607 --> 00:33:06,187
my star turn as Mysterio
in the Ultimate Spider-Man.
637
00:33:06,277 --> 00:33:09,067
Don't you forget
who the original Mysterio was, kiddo.
638
00:33:09,531 --> 00:33:12,491
See? I killed it, and then I was killed.
639
00:33:12,575 --> 00:33:14,075
They never asked me back.
640
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,080
I needed to find my cast.
641
00:33:16,162 --> 00:33:18,252
So, I turned to some of my favorite actors
642
00:33:18,331 --> 00:33:21,001
to see if they loved Brute Force
as much as I did.
643
00:33:22,460 --> 00:33:23,750
[dolphin trills]
644
00:33:23,837 --> 00:33:25,377
[Scheer] This is, uh, Dr. Eko.
645
00:33:26,464 --> 00:33:28,724
-And that's a dolphin person?
-Yes, it's a dolphin.
646
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,760
[Byer chuckles] I love his tail.
His tail's protected. He's got feet.
647
00:33:33,596 --> 00:33:35,846
Well, I don't see the doctor part of him.
648
00:33:35,932 --> 00:33:38,442
Usually, doctors are
a little bit more intelligent,
649
00:33:38,518 --> 00:33:40,768
a little more regal
with how they present themselves.
650
00:33:40,854 --> 00:33:44,694
He's just yelling with Uzis
that are aimed in different directions.
651
00:33:44,774 --> 00:33:47,034
-So I don't even what he's shooting at.
-Yeah.
652
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:49,450
The Eko comes from the echolocation,
that idea?
653
00:33:49,529 --> 00:33:51,779
-Hey, look. Yeah, you see. And...
-Yeah, sure.
654
00:33:51,865 --> 00:33:55,445
I think that maybe the Uzis are gonna
cause a problem with the echolocation,
655
00:33:55,535 --> 00:33:57,445
just the noise factor.
656
00:33:57,537 --> 00:33:59,077
Wow. I did not think about that.
657
00:33:59,164 --> 00:34:02,254
If you saw this kind of a creature,
658
00:34:02,792 --> 00:34:05,922
does it feel like an Iron Man to you,
or does it feel a bit more frightening?
659
00:34:06,004 --> 00:34:11,054
More frightening.
I mean, the scars, the teeth, the bullets.
660
00:34:11,134 --> 00:34:12,804
-[spring pops]
-[thumps]
661
00:34:12,886 --> 00:34:15,716
This is Boomer. This is a character
you would be great for.
662
00:34:15,805 --> 00:34:18,055
-Honestly, I really love this character.
-Yeah.
663
00:34:18,141 --> 00:34:20,441
[Bloom] I like that she has
a silencer on her gun.
664
00:34:20,518 --> 00:34:23,728
Yeah, she's more of a silent-but-deadly
type of character.
665
00:34:23,813 --> 00:34:26,403
But she's the one you're gonna see coming
'cause she's hopping.
666
00:34:26,483 --> 00:34:30,113
So it's like mechanical hopping.
So you're gonna hear that, kung-kung-kung.
667
00:34:30,195 --> 00:34:33,025
Yeah, the hydraulics. I didn't not think
about the hydraulics of that.
668
00:34:33,114 --> 00:34:35,334
Do you think that that's odd
that she has a silencer?
669
00:34:35,408 --> 00:34:38,448
I don't think of kangaroos
as particularly quiet creatures.
670
00:34:38,536 --> 00:34:41,656
-Hmm.
-So the idea that she would be stealthy,
671
00:34:41,748 --> 00:34:45,838
-but the gun was the problem...
-That... [chuckles]
672
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:47,959
I think it's a good metaphor
for female rage.
673
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,050
Really? Talk to me about this.
674
00:34:50,131 --> 00:34:52,221
-'Cause she has a silencer on her gun.
-Yeah.
675
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:54,300
Because women are taught
to be silent and apologize,
676
00:34:54,386 --> 00:34:56,756
but yet, you're gonna hear her coming.
677
00:34:56,846 --> 00:34:59,516
So she's trying to be
something she's not, but it's like...
678
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,019
"Girl, you don't need the silencer.
679
00:35:01,101 --> 00:35:05,521
You're a red, half-kangaroo machine.
Like, be heard."
680
00:35:05,605 --> 00:35:07,475
-I like Boomer.
-Boomer.
681
00:35:07,565 --> 00:35:10,355
I like how that might sound when she would
say it 'cause it's, like, Australian.
682
00:35:10,443 --> 00:35:11,573
[both, Australian accent] Boomer.
683
00:35:11,653 --> 00:35:13,533
-Oh, yeah. I like that sound.
-Watch out for Boomer.
684
00:35:13,613 --> 00:35:15,373
[normal] That's talking
to the international appeal here.
685
00:35:15,448 --> 00:35:16,988
-You have an Australian...
-[normal] Huge.
686
00:35:17,075 --> 00:35:19,325
But Dr. Eko is, like, based in Miami.
687
00:35:20,578 --> 00:35:22,328
[salsa playing]
688
00:35:22,414 --> 00:35:23,424
This is Lionheart.
689
00:35:23,498 --> 00:35:25,168
[lion roars]
690
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:26,420
-[Woodward] Quick question.
-Yeah.
691
00:35:26,501 --> 00:35:27,751
Um, they're vehicles?
692
00:35:28,586 --> 00:35:30,586
Yeah, a lot of them have vehicle elements.
693
00:35:30,672 --> 00:35:34,092
Each of these animals
are part robot, part vehicle. Yeah.
694
00:35:34,175 --> 00:35:36,425
Right. [stammers]
So, but you said they're eco-warriors...
695
00:35:36,511 --> 00:35:37,511
Yeah.
696
00:35:37,595 --> 00:35:41,465
-So, are these low-emission... vehicles?
-This is a good point.
697
00:35:41,558 --> 00:35:42,888
I'm gonna have to get back to you on it.
698
00:35:42,976 --> 00:35:44,686
-I think a lot of them are plug-ins.
-Okay.
699
00:35:44,769 --> 00:35:47,149
-So he also turns invisible, just FYI.
-Oh, my God.
700
00:35:47,230 --> 00:35:48,770
Well, that's-- You buried the lede.
701
00:35:48,857 --> 00:35:50,647
A lion that turns invisible?
702
00:35:50,734 --> 00:35:54,864
I'm not seeing
the direct correlation there. [chuckles]
703
00:35:54,946 --> 00:35:56,606
-'Cause we're all frightened of a lion.
-Right.
704
00:35:56,698 --> 00:35:58,908
But what's more frightening than a lion?
705
00:35:58,992 --> 00:36:01,242
-An invisible lion.
-Yes.
706
00:36:01,327 --> 00:36:02,997
You see? Now you're kind of, like...
707
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:04,289
[eagle screeches]
708
00:36:04,372 --> 00:36:08,042
[Scheer] This is Soar.
Soar is an American bald eagle.
709
00:36:08,126 --> 00:36:12,456
Why is a eagle American? Why did we
decide that the bald eagle was us?
710
00:36:13,214 --> 00:36:16,264
That's a really good point. Maybe
what we do is give him a French accent.
711
00:36:16,343 --> 00:36:17,933
Ah, yes! That would be fun.
712
00:36:18,011 --> 00:36:19,681
-And he's revolting against this.
-Yes!
713
00:36:19,763 --> 00:36:21,143
That he has been called...
714
00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:23,522
Yes. [French accent] Bonjour, I am Soar.
715
00:36:24,768 --> 00:36:29,058
Here's my question about Soar, though, is
that he's a eagle that turns into a jet,
716
00:36:29,147 --> 00:36:32,147
which really doesn't help him
'cause he could already fly.
717
00:36:32,233 --> 00:36:34,533
So he's like, "I'm flying,"
and then he transforms,
718
00:36:34,611 --> 00:36:36,781
and he's like, "I'm really flying now."
719
00:36:36,863 --> 00:36:38,113
[both laugh]
720
00:36:38,198 --> 00:36:39,118
[bear growls]
721
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:40,949
[Scheer]
This is the real fun character here.
722
00:36:41,034 --> 00:36:43,794
-We just call him Bear.
-[Bloom] Bear. I was gonna say. That's...
723
00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:45,460
-Yeah. And that's--
-Is that a grill?
724
00:36:45,538 --> 00:36:47,708
-Um, yeah. It says--
-So he has a bear grill?
725
00:36:47,957 --> 00:36:51,207
Yeah, that is a bear grill.
Yeah, that is a pretty-- [laughs]
726
00:36:51,294 --> 00:36:55,134
Okay. I wanna be him.
First of all, he's fierce. He is stro--
727
00:36:55,215 --> 00:36:56,335
-Obviously he's strong...
-Yeah.
728
00:36:56,424 --> 00:37:00,474
...but with a sensitivity
and a sexuality that I'm drawn to.
729
00:37:00,553 --> 00:37:02,723
Do you think this is scarier
than a normal bear?
730
00:37:02,806 --> 00:37:06,016
It might make me laugh upon first sight
731
00:37:06,101 --> 00:37:08,651
because it looks like
he just ballooned out so big
732
00:37:08,728 --> 00:37:10,728
that his clothes got too small.
733
00:37:10,814 --> 00:37:11,824
[both laughing]
734
00:37:11,898 --> 00:37:12,898
With all due respect.
735
00:37:12,982 --> 00:37:15,032
He seems to be missing armor
in some very crucial spots.
736
00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:16,110
Little bit, right?
737
00:37:16,194 --> 00:37:18,784
I'm like, "Oh, here comes this bear
in a tank top.
738
00:37:18,863 --> 00:37:20,783
I'm gonna shoot him in the belly."
739
00:37:20,865 --> 00:37:23,155
But what is the power gauge on his tummy?
740
00:37:23,243 --> 00:37:25,453
-That?
-Is that, like, how full he is?
741
00:37:25,537 --> 00:37:27,247
Is it a battery indicator?
742
00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:29,170
I have to talk to our animators
about that.
743
00:37:29,249 --> 00:37:31,629
-Maybe, like-- Yeah.
-Here's my pitch.
744
00:37:31,710 --> 00:37:34,250
First of all, I would reverse the colors
to green, yellow, red.
745
00:37:34,337 --> 00:37:35,837
-Right.
-It starts green and then,
746
00:37:35,922 --> 00:37:39,052
as soon as it fills up-- If he gets to X,
trouble. You're in trouble.
747
00:37:39,134 --> 00:37:40,514
-Right. Yeah.
-'Cause that's full power.
748
00:37:40,593 --> 00:37:43,763
Yeah, 'cause green is traditionally
the go symbol. Yellow is, like--
749
00:37:43,847 --> 00:37:46,217
-But I like it green being safe.
-That's what I like.
750
00:37:46,307 --> 00:37:48,977
When you get to red,
when you get to a big red X, watch out.
751
00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:50,270
-Watch out.
-Bear is going off.
752
00:37:50,353 --> 00:37:53,523
The design could be softened a little bit.
753
00:37:53,606 --> 00:37:55,106
You want to relate to this guy.
754
00:37:55,191 --> 00:37:59,031
But we wanna make it edgy for the kids.
We want this to be from six to 60.
755
00:38:00,238 --> 00:38:02,278
-Years old?
-Yeah. That's the audience.
756
00:38:03,992 --> 00:38:06,542
-From six to 60 years old?
-Like Frozen.
757
00:38:06,619 --> 00:38:09,209
[both chuckle]
758
00:38:09,289 --> 00:38:12,539
By the way, the merch on this stuff
is gonna be through the roof.
759
00:38:12,625 --> 00:38:14,915
I'm so happy that you brought that up.
760
00:38:15,003 --> 00:38:16,713
That's-- Yes, you--
We're right on the same page.
761
00:38:16,796 --> 00:38:21,046
Dr. Eko, dolphin head, body armor,
double Uzi.
762
00:38:21,134 --> 00:38:23,644
-It's gonna be sold out.
-It writes-- It Halloweens itself.
763
00:38:25,597 --> 00:38:27,767
[Scheer] It was great getting
all this fearless feedback,
764
00:38:27,849 --> 00:38:30,479
and now it was time
for me to pick my cast.
765
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,560
[Producer] Paul.
766
00:38:32,687 --> 00:38:34,437
We can only hire non-union actors.
767
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:38,030
[scoffs] I wish you would've told me this
before I had all my auditions.
768
00:38:38,693 --> 00:38:39,783
Thanks a lot.
769
00:38:39,861 --> 00:38:43,321
And stop interrupting my voice-over.
I'm trying to make a documentary here.
770
00:38:44,074 --> 00:38:45,084
[sighs]
771
00:38:47,118 --> 00:38:48,908
If I couldn't hire Jon Hamm,
772
00:38:48,995 --> 00:38:52,165
I could at least steal his idea
and make it my own.
773
00:38:52,248 --> 00:38:57,248
Brute Force was prime for a toy line.
And who does toys better than Marvel?
774
00:38:57,337 --> 00:38:59,377
When it comes to creating
lifelike action figures
775
00:38:59,464 --> 00:39:01,724
to amazing costumes to perfect play sets,
776
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,800
Marvel toys makes you feel
a part of the action.
777
00:39:05,887 --> 00:39:10,227
From ages six to 60,
there is a toy for everyone.
778
00:39:10,308 --> 00:39:14,228
I can picture kids under the Christmas
tree holding Dr. Eko and Soar.
779
00:39:14,896 --> 00:39:17,766
It would be like my Christmas
but with actual toys,
780
00:39:17,857 --> 00:39:20,527
not just frozen meat dressed as toys.
781
00:39:20,610 --> 00:39:21,990
My parents were not well.
782
00:39:22,070 --> 00:39:26,490
Anyway. This was the last step
in developing the perfect Disney+ show.
783
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:29,290
If Brute Force was gonna be a contender,
784
00:39:29,369 --> 00:39:33,869
I need to sit with one of the minds
behind Marvel's toy design, Jesse Falcon.
785
00:39:34,749 --> 00:39:38,089
If we're gonna design toys
for Brute Force,
786
00:39:38,169 --> 00:39:40,589
what do you think the goal would be?
787
00:39:40,797 --> 00:39:43,967
I think there are three major segments
that we could talk about.
788
00:39:44,050 --> 00:39:47,890
There's role-play, where you can put on
elements of the characters
789
00:39:47,971 --> 00:39:49,391
and reenact those parts.
790
00:39:49,472 --> 00:39:50,722
There's action figure play.
791
00:39:50,807 --> 00:39:53,517
There's vehicle play.
And, of course, there's masks.
792
00:39:53,601 --> 00:39:56,901
Talk to me about role-play toys.
What are some examples of role-play toys?
793
00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:58,400
Great. So I got two great ones here.
794
00:39:58,481 --> 00:39:59,901
This is a deep cut,
795
00:39:59,983 --> 00:40:02,243
-the Hulk hands from 2003.
-Oh, wow.
796
00:40:02,318 --> 00:40:03,698
-Love this.
-Made of foam.
797
00:40:03,778 --> 00:40:06,738
So, really, kids or collectors
can play with those.
798
00:40:06,823 --> 00:40:09,203
Super simple.
You put it in and you grab it and uh...
799
00:40:09,284 --> 00:40:10,914
-Boom! You--
-Boom! You're off to the races.
800
00:40:10,994 --> 00:40:12,954
-Love it.
-This one's brand-new.
801
00:40:13,038 --> 00:40:14,288
This is from Avengers: Endgame.
802
00:40:14,372 --> 00:40:16,882
This is the Nano Gauntlet,
the sized-up one.
803
00:40:17,625 --> 00:40:19,125
Got lights and sounds.
804
00:40:20,587 --> 00:40:23,717
So this is-- Basically,
you could become the character?
805
00:40:23,798 --> 00:40:27,048
Yeah, you could become the character.
You could sit here and read comic books.
806
00:40:27,135 --> 00:40:32,135
So what kinda stuff could we do that
could be, like, a tactile thing like this?
807
00:40:32,223 --> 00:40:33,313
A hand or a fist. Yeah.
808
00:40:33,391 --> 00:40:35,441
So you've got a great character
that's a bear.
809
00:40:35,518 --> 00:40:37,018
You put a big bear claw on.
810
00:40:37,103 --> 00:40:40,443
It's all covered in mech,
and then you'd have pop-off bear claws.
811
00:40:40,523 --> 00:40:42,443
It would come with a log
so you could scratch,
812
00:40:42,525 --> 00:40:45,815
and then the kid could give himself
a great back scratch, just like bears do.
813
00:40:45,904 --> 00:40:47,914
Are there any toys
that we can kinda come up with
814
00:40:47,989 --> 00:40:49,119
that would help the environment?
815
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:51,659
So the kids are playing,
but they're doing something good.
816
00:40:51,743 --> 00:40:56,083
Could we figure out a way to make
recycling in the real world with the toys?
817
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:59,830
[Falcon] The bear with the
retractable claws can come with seeds
818
00:40:59,918 --> 00:41:04,008
so that you can claw holes in the ground,
and you can fight deforestation.
819
00:41:04,089 --> 00:41:05,719
Right. So you're actually planting seeds
820
00:41:05,799 --> 00:41:07,549
while you're playing out in the back.
I love that.
821
00:41:07,634 --> 00:41:11,434
The lion, we could have a very small
grinder inside of his mouth.
822
00:41:11,513 --> 00:41:14,683
Once you've torn it out of the packaging,
what do you do with this packaging?
823
00:41:14,766 --> 00:41:17,266
You feed it in and grind it into regrind,
824
00:41:17,352 --> 00:41:19,562
and then you can melt that down
and create your own toys.
825
00:41:19,646 --> 00:41:22,566
This is amazing. So we're talking
about a Brute Force compost bin,
826
00:41:22,649 --> 00:41:25,319
which means that
we can make kids buy more toys
827
00:41:25,402 --> 00:41:27,902
-because they wanna compost the packaging.
-Correct.
828
00:41:29,489 --> 00:41:32,279
[Scheer] What could we do
with our dolphin character, Dr. Eko?
829
00:41:32,742 --> 00:41:35,082
You can do so much
with pool inflatables these days.
830
00:41:35,161 --> 00:41:39,001
You can literally recreate that as
something that is a life-sized inflata--
831
00:41:39,082 --> 00:41:41,292
-I'm dead serious.
-So you can get in.
832
00:41:41,376 --> 00:41:44,456
Maybe make it a little flat so you could
put a drink cozy in the blowhole,
833
00:41:44,546 --> 00:41:47,546
-and a kid can paddle around in the pool.
-[laughs] Right.
834
00:41:47,632 --> 00:41:51,182
Do you think that Brute Force has legs
in the merchandising world?
835
00:41:51,261 --> 00:41:53,391
I really think this is a cool concept.
836
00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:58,980
[Scheer] Developing Brute Force
has been an amazing journey.
837
00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:02,560
Before I was ready to go back to Disney+,
I needed to do one more thing...
838
00:42:03,064 --> 00:42:04,654
have a flashback montage.
839
00:42:05,191 --> 00:42:08,571
This is where I just visually remember
everything I learned.
840
00:42:08,653 --> 00:42:11,873
Things like, "Anything can be cool
in the right hands,
841
00:42:11,948 --> 00:42:14,328
and that while
at first glance unbelievable,
842
00:42:14,409 --> 00:42:16,489
that doesn't mean impossible."
843
00:42:16,578 --> 00:42:17,998
And I also remember this guy.
844
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:19,999
I'm still trying to figure out
what character he is.
845
00:42:20,081 --> 00:42:22,131
I think it's the Spider-Verse.
846
00:42:22,208 --> 00:42:24,708
I also remember some of the sad times.
847
00:42:25,837 --> 00:42:28,757
But I got through it because
I realized at the end of the day,
848
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,010
this isn't about creating great toys.
849
00:42:31,092 --> 00:42:36,062
It's about creating great characters,
characters who are full of humanity,
850
00:42:36,139 --> 00:42:40,769
and I knew this had every element of
what Disney+ and Marvel were looking for.
851
00:42:41,311 --> 00:42:43,521
Whoo! Now that this montage is over,
852
00:42:43,605 --> 00:42:45,395
I feel like I'm ready
to go back in and pitch.
853
00:42:45,482 --> 00:42:47,032
Let's do this!
854
00:42:47,609 --> 00:42:51,859
Thank you so much for having me back.
I brought Steve with me here.
855
00:42:51,946 --> 00:42:53,566
-Hi, Steve.
-Pleasure to see everybody.
856
00:42:53,656 --> 00:42:54,696
Nice to see you.
857
00:42:54,783 --> 00:42:59,833
My job is to find the projects
that resonate both with me personally
858
00:42:59,913 --> 00:43:02,543
and that I think tells
the Marvel story the best.
859
00:43:03,208 --> 00:43:09,088
When you can't find those,
you turn to projects outside the box.
860
00:43:09,631 --> 00:43:12,551
And that's when I turned to Paul Shore.
861
00:43:12,967 --> 00:43:14,967
-It's, uh, Scheer.
-That's right.
862
00:43:15,053 --> 00:43:18,603
And what I'm excited about
is for him to talk to you
863
00:43:18,682 --> 00:43:20,602
about the things that he's about to say.
864
00:43:21,184 --> 00:43:24,774
-Thank you for that... that introduction.
-My pleasure.
865
00:43:24,854 --> 00:43:26,944
It's the least you could do, literally.
866
00:43:27,023 --> 00:43:30,323
We are back,
and I really took your advice.
867
00:43:30,402 --> 00:43:35,532
I thought about Marvel characters
and what has, kind of, been untapped.
868
00:43:35,615 --> 00:43:37,025
I believe I found a property,
869
00:43:37,117 --> 00:43:38,947
and I know Steve's excited
about this property, that--
870
00:43:39,035 --> 00:43:41,905
-Well...
-Well, you said you were excited about it.
871
00:43:41,996 --> 00:43:44,416
Well, I said, "Okay, let's talk about it."
872
00:43:44,499 --> 00:43:45,999
He essentially green lit it.
873
00:43:46,084 --> 00:43:48,254
-He said, "I would green light this."
-I didn't green light it.
874
00:43:48,336 --> 00:43:51,126
Well, I have that on tape,
so I could just play it for them. I gue--
875
00:43:51,214 --> 00:43:53,724
Uh, anyway, let's take a look.
876
00:43:58,388 --> 00:44:01,848
I'd like to introduce you to Brute Force.
877
00:44:03,018 --> 00:44:05,268
[woman on PA]
Sea Land is now closed.
878
00:44:11,317 --> 00:44:12,567
Feeding time.
879
00:44:13,570 --> 00:44:16,240
Whoops! What's the matter, stupid?
880
00:44:16,322 --> 00:44:18,782
You can't get out of the cage
to get your food?
881
00:44:18,867 --> 00:44:21,697
[spits] Chew on this. [laughs]
882
00:44:21,786 --> 00:44:25,076
Let's go mess with the turtles next.
They're so stupid.
883
00:44:25,165 --> 00:44:28,915
-Yeah, them and their stupid shell--
-Larry?
884
00:44:29,002 --> 00:44:31,842
-[growling]
-No! The stories are true!
885
00:44:31,921 --> 00:44:35,261
-Look, man, I was only following orders.
-[Dr. Eko] We will not be ignored.
886
00:44:35,342 --> 00:44:37,092
[zookeeper screams]
887
00:44:37,886 --> 00:44:41,306
Destruction, assault and dolphin theft.
888
00:44:41,389 --> 00:44:42,469
[spits, groans]
889
00:44:42,557 --> 00:44:44,427
What type of person would do such a thing?
890
00:44:44,517 --> 00:44:45,807
Not a person.
891
00:44:45,894 --> 00:44:50,444
Meet Brute Force, a group of
genetically engineered animal vigilantes
892
00:44:50,523 --> 00:44:53,943
who use any means necessary
to achieve their eco-agenda.
893
00:44:54,611 --> 00:44:55,611
I guess.
894
00:44:55,695 --> 00:44:59,235
Animals that fight for the rights
of other animals?
895
00:44:59,324 --> 00:45:00,584
You gotta be kidding me.
896
00:45:00,658 --> 00:45:02,328
Oh, they're no joke,
897
00:45:02,410 --> 00:45:05,750
and if they have it their way,
we'll soon be an extinct species.
898
00:45:05,830 --> 00:45:08,330
Boomer. Kangaroo and martial artist.
899
00:45:08,416 --> 00:45:13,046
By the time you hear her hop...
you'll be stomped dead.
900
00:45:13,129 --> 00:45:14,799
A kung fu kangaroo?
901
00:45:14,881 --> 00:45:17,881
[female detective] Soar.
An eagle that can go Mach 3.
902
00:45:17,967 --> 00:45:21,047
When he drops something from the sky,
you'd better watch out.
903
00:45:21,554 --> 00:45:24,524
This is what he did to a local circus
that came to town.
904
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:27,059
Oof! Was not expecting that.
905
00:45:27,143 --> 00:45:28,273
Oh, it gets worse.
906
00:45:28,353 --> 00:45:31,693
Lionheart. He's a lion and a motorcycle,
907
00:45:31,773 --> 00:45:34,943
claws and teeth bonded
with an adamantium vibranium mix.
908
00:45:35,026 --> 00:45:37,896
There's not a substance in
the known universe he can't tear through.
909
00:45:37,987 --> 00:45:42,077
-And this kitty can turn invisible.
-[grunts, screams]
910
00:45:42,158 --> 00:45:43,988
All right. Well, that seems pretty cool.
911
00:45:44,077 --> 00:45:47,957
Dr. Eko. He's a dolphin scientist
that can walk on land...
912
00:45:49,124 --> 00:45:52,254
with a mind that rivals Tony Stark
and Professor Xavier.
913
00:45:52,335 --> 00:45:57,835
If you don't do what he wants, he'll
blast you with 500 gallons of pure H2O.
914
00:45:58,466 --> 00:46:01,216
That gives a whole new meaning
to wet and wild.
915
00:46:01,302 --> 00:46:04,762
And Bear. Know the Hulk?
Yeah, well, this guy's stronger.
916
00:46:05,849 --> 00:46:09,189
Only double as dumb and with a bazooka.
917
00:46:09,269 --> 00:46:11,979
More like a bear-zooka. [chuckles]
918
00:46:12,063 --> 00:46:13,823
Yeah, you really come up with them.
919
00:46:13,898 --> 00:46:18,398
Anyway, now you're responsible for
finding them and bringing them in alive.
920
00:46:18,486 --> 00:46:20,406
All right, but why me?
921
00:46:20,488 --> 00:46:23,908
Simple. You turn everything into a pun,
and it's annoying.
922
00:46:23,992 --> 00:46:27,582
Well, I guess
I just found my life's porpoise.
923
00:46:27,662 --> 00:46:29,582
See, that's what I'm talking about.
924
00:46:29,664 --> 00:46:31,464
[man narrating] Brute Force!
925
00:46:35,003 --> 00:46:38,093
There you go. So, what do you think?
926
00:46:39,090 --> 00:46:43,600
Wow, really exciting. I mean, wow, wow.
927
00:46:44,637 --> 00:46:46,137
Interesting.
928
00:46:46,222 --> 00:46:49,022
Have you thought
about maybe bringing in Jon Favreau
929
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:51,980
and having him share some of his vision
for this idea?
930
00:46:52,062 --> 00:46:53,062
Um...
931
00:46:54,439 --> 00:46:58,069
-But if Jon Favreau does it, would I--
-That's a great idea.
932
00:46:58,151 --> 00:47:02,031
Well, hold on one second. The--
But would I be involved in it?
933
00:47:02,113 --> 00:47:05,623
-[Wacker] Uh... yeah.
-To be discussed. We'll talk about it.
934
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:08,160
If you can get Jon Favreau,
we don't need Paul.
935
00:47:08,953 --> 00:47:12,253
I'm right here. You guys, you need me.
Can I be involved in it in some way?
936
00:47:12,332 --> 00:47:14,382
Favreau's the perfect choice for this.
937
00:47:14,459 --> 00:47:16,709
Have you ever thought about
making a doc about it?
938
00:47:17,295 --> 00:47:19,045
Yeah, I do have this camera crew.
939
00:47:19,798 --> 00:47:21,128
[Silver] Oh, that's normal.
940
00:47:21,216 --> 00:47:24,546
[Scheer] They're great.
I just like to document my life.
941
00:47:24,636 --> 00:47:26,136
[Silver] Yeah.
942
00:47:26,221 --> 00:47:29,101
-So this would be on the show? This pitch?
-Right now?
943
00:47:29,766 --> 00:47:31,266
But how would it end?
944
00:47:31,351 --> 00:47:33,941
Think there'd be a climactic ending here,
you know?
945
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:36,360
-Yeah.
-Right now it just kind of--
946
00:47:37,107 --> 00:47:39,897
What could end-- What if Paul fails
and then we get Favreau?
947
00:47:40,527 --> 00:47:44,487
The ending would be right now, here, now,
and you just roll credits.
948
00:47:46,825 --> 00:47:48,275
Oh, like right now.
949
00:48:11,683 --> 00:48:15,313
-So, who are these guys fighting?
-They're fighting, um...
950
00:48:15,395 --> 00:48:17,555
Corporations, probably,
are going to be their big thing.
951
00:48:17,647 --> 00:48:19,147
So they're the 99%.
952
00:48:19,232 --> 00:48:22,362
Yeah. They're going in if your company
is maybe polluting the atmosphere,
953
00:48:22,444 --> 00:48:24,074
-they're gonna go in.
-Oh, I see.
954
00:48:24,154 --> 00:48:26,164
This is the force
maybe Greenpeace calls in.
955
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,489
-I got you.
-Yeah.
956
00:48:27,574 --> 00:48:30,164
Greenpeace is like,
"We need to bump it up a notch."
957
00:48:30,243 --> 00:48:32,413
-His name is Dr. Eko?
-He's the smartest of the bunch.
958
00:48:32,495 --> 00:48:33,705
So he has a degree?
959
00:48:34,622 --> 00:48:37,002
Yeah, we don't know if he went to--
960
00:48:37,083 --> 00:48:38,843
probably an online degree,
I would imagine.
961
00:48:38,918 --> 00:48:42,298
Okay, so the name is Boomer.
Is it because of Boomerang, kangaroo?
962
00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:43,550
-No.
-No?
963
00:48:43,631 --> 00:48:44,881
-No.
-Okay.
964
00:48:44,966 --> 00:48:47,046
It's a missed opportunity. [chuckles]
965
00:48:47,135 --> 00:48:48,885
Would this be scary to you?
966
00:48:48,970 --> 00:48:51,390
I think if the kangaroo
was riding that motorcycle,
967
00:48:51,473 --> 00:48:53,813
I'd be completely confused and terrified.
968
00:48:53,892 --> 00:48:57,812
-A kangaroo with a sword, just, yeah.
-With a sword and two hip guns going.
969
00:48:57,896 --> 00:49:01,606
[Byer] You're making him,
so why not give him an outfit that fits?
970
00:49:01,691 --> 00:49:07,071
Yeah, that was an interesting choice
that a large part of his body is exposed.
971
00:49:07,155 --> 00:49:09,615
Or I'm into it
'cause it's body positivity.
972
00:49:09,699 --> 00:49:11,279
-Ooh, I like that. Okay, yeah.
-You know?
973
00:49:11,368 --> 00:49:14,408
He's a little overweight so he's
just like, "I'm gonna show my body."
974
00:49:14,496 --> 00:49:17,246
-I do like showing off a bit of fur.
-Right? I like it.
975
00:49:17,332 --> 00:49:19,042
That's a bazooka.
976
00:49:19,125 --> 00:49:21,625
Let's go a different way.
I don't think that's a bazooka.
977
00:49:21,711 --> 00:49:24,091
I think that shoots out what's called
"the bear growl,"
978
00:49:24,172 --> 00:49:25,552
and it's a sonic weapon.
979
00:49:26,341 --> 00:49:28,511
-Tell me more, okay. Yeah.
-You know what I'm saying?
980
00:49:28,593 --> 00:49:30,723
-So it shoots out a--
-Just a shock wave of--
981
00:49:30,804 --> 00:49:34,144
Shock wave of sound.
That way there's no blowback on the bicep.
982
00:49:34,224 --> 00:49:35,234
Oh, I like that.
983
00:49:35,308 --> 00:49:37,728
And maybe that's what--
when he gets to X...
984
00:49:37,811 --> 00:49:39,231
-He can shoot out--
-He's ready to go.
985
00:49:39,312 --> 00:49:41,772
-Maybe it's a roar. Like-- [growls]
-The big growl. Yeah. [growls]
986
00:49:41,856 --> 00:49:44,726
-[Funches] Did you draw this?
-[Scheer] I did not draw this.
987
00:49:44,818 --> 00:49:45,898
If you did I was like,
988
00:49:45,985 --> 00:49:49,405
"I got some questions that
we could ask your therapist."
989
00:49:50,448 --> 00:49:52,118
[Bloom] I guess my ultimate no would be
990
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,580
if they can just rip open someone
with their teeth, why are they robots?
991
00:49:55,662 --> 00:49:59,332
What if I told you his teeth were knives?
992
00:50:02,585 --> 00:50:04,665
Actually that solves it.
That solves it for me.