1 00:00:02,381 --> 00:00:04,550 - ♪ 2 00:00:04,592 --> 00:00:08,178 - JENNIFER: 1979, a mountain 3 00:00:08,219 --> 00:00:11,891 becomes the focus of stories 4 00:00:11,932 --> 00:00:14,185 secret military operations 5 00:00:14,226 --> 00:00:18,064 and sightings of 6 00:00:18,105 --> 00:00:21,108 Reports describe unexplained 7 00:00:21,150 --> 00:00:23,986 and possibly underneath a 8 00:00:24,028 --> 00:00:26,489 Could it be the site 9 00:00:26,530 --> 00:00:30,284 a joint mission between 10 00:00:30,326 --> 00:00:34,038 Some even claim to witness 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,832 How many dead ETs 12 00:00:36,874 --> 00:00:39,418 Now there are reports 13 00:00:39,460 --> 00:00:42,671 of strange craft 14 00:00:42,713 --> 00:00:44,090 - If someone says 15 00:00:44,131 --> 00:00:45,883 they probably saw something. 16 00:00:45,925 --> 00:00:48,636 - Is a secret underground 17 00:00:48,677 --> 00:00:50,179 inside a mountain? 18 00:00:50,221 --> 00:00:52,431 Or could the truth that 19 00:00:52,473 --> 00:00:54,475 be even more sinister? 20 00:00:54,517 --> 00:00:56,852 - Grey-looking ET, large eyes. 21 00:00:56,894 --> 00:00:59,730 I wasn't supposed to see it, 22 00:00:59,772 --> 00:01:01,524 - My name's Jennifer Marshall. 23 00:01:01,565 --> 00:01:05,401 After serving in the US Navy, 24 00:01:05,443 --> 00:01:08,864 Now I'm on the trail 25 00:01:08,906 --> 00:01:12,201 decoding the mystery 26 00:01:12,243 --> 00:01:18,415 - ♪ 27 00:01:22,419 --> 00:01:24,755 - Just north of the town 28 00:01:24,797 --> 00:01:27,341 on the land of the 29 00:01:27,383 --> 00:01:31,929 sits a landmass over 9,000 feet 30 00:01:31,971 --> 00:01:34,180 Some have claimed 31 00:01:34,222 --> 00:01:36,392 lies a mysterious 32 00:01:36,433 --> 00:01:38,435 a secret hub of activity where 33 00:01:38,477 --> 00:01:41,897 extraterrestrials and humans 34 00:01:41,939 --> 00:01:44,900 and reverse engineer 35 00:01:44,942 --> 00:01:48,070 The name of that secret lair 36 00:01:48,112 --> 00:01:50,406 Mount Archuleta or 37 00:01:50,447 --> 00:01:52,533 sits on the northern most part 38 00:01:52,575 --> 00:01:55,161 and shares a border 39 00:01:55,202 --> 00:01:57,662 Whispers of strange activity 40 00:01:57,704 --> 00:02:01,000 this alleged alien mountain 41 00:02:01,041 --> 00:02:05,462 Now, new reports of unusual 42 00:02:05,504 --> 00:02:09,632 over the town have put the 43 00:02:11,468 --> 00:02:13,762 New Mexico is best known 44 00:02:13,804 --> 00:02:15,472 as the site of Roswell. 45 00:02:15,514 --> 00:02:18,559 In 1947, a flying saucer was 46 00:02:18,601 --> 00:02:21,437 by the US Army 47 00:02:21,478 --> 00:02:24,815 Since then, local residents have 48 00:02:24,857 --> 00:02:27,484 in the desert skies above Dulce. 49 00:02:27,526 --> 00:02:29,945 Roswell may be known as the 50 00:02:29,987 --> 00:02:34,408 but this tiny hamlet has had its 51 00:02:34,450 --> 00:02:36,243 I've come here to meet 52 00:02:36,285 --> 00:02:38,996 Heather Taddy who says she has a 53 00:02:39,038 --> 00:02:42,082 that could be 54 00:02:42,124 --> 00:02:44,125 Hey, Heather. 55 00:02:44,168 --> 00:02:46,086 - So this is it, huh? 56 00:02:46,128 --> 00:02:48,631 Somewhere in that mountain is a 57 00:02:48,672 --> 00:02:51,842 that may have been built 58 00:02:51,884 --> 00:02:54,303 I'm a paranormal researcher 59 00:02:54,345 --> 00:02:58,933 I've had a lifelong fascination 60 00:02:58,974 --> 00:03:01,810 Growing up, I was that weirdo 61 00:03:01,852 --> 00:03:04,355 ordering all the 62 00:03:04,396 --> 00:03:07,191 I'm very open to the idea 63 00:03:07,233 --> 00:03:09,777 visiting this planet 64 00:03:09,818 --> 00:03:11,779 There's been stories 65 00:03:11,820 --> 00:03:14,448 that there is a hidden base 66 00:03:14,490 --> 00:03:17,076 And it's said that it's right 67 00:03:17,117 --> 00:03:18,827 That's where the supposed 68 00:03:18,869 --> 00:03:20,162 - I have to be honest. 69 00:03:20,204 --> 00:03:22,915 I don't see a ton of 70 00:03:22,957 --> 00:03:24,833 that would support that. 71 00:03:24,875 --> 00:03:27,419 dirt road here, but there's not 72 00:03:27,461 --> 00:03:30,381 There's not a helopad. 73 00:03:30,422 --> 00:03:32,258 - That's actually what makes 74 00:03:32,299 --> 00:03:34,260 because there's been so 75 00:03:34,301 --> 00:03:37,012 People have seen lights go 76 00:03:37,054 --> 00:03:38,305 And I have some 77 00:03:38,347 --> 00:03:40,349 that I want to show you. 78 00:03:40,391 --> 00:03:43,726 - Here is a craft 79 00:03:43,769 --> 00:03:46,105 right above where 80 00:03:46,146 --> 00:03:48,357 - I mean, it is the 81 00:03:48,399 --> 00:03:52,194 but then it's a blurry photo 82 00:03:52,236 --> 00:03:54,029 - But beyond UFO sightings, 83 00:03:54,071 --> 00:03:55,863 there have been 84 00:03:55,906 --> 00:03:59,535 There's also been really bizarre 85 00:03:59,576 --> 00:04:02,329 in this specific area. 86 00:04:02,371 --> 00:04:05,374 And witnesses have seen lights 87 00:04:05,416 --> 00:04:06,917 when these 88 00:04:06,959 --> 00:04:08,919 And no one can explain 89 00:04:08,961 --> 00:04:10,963 in which these animals 90 00:04:11,005 --> 00:04:13,257 - One of my goals is 91 00:04:13,299 --> 00:04:15,968 and to understand what connects 92 00:04:16,010 --> 00:04:18,803 and alien rumors to the 93 00:04:18,846 --> 00:04:21,682 - We have a lot of eyewitness 94 00:04:21,724 --> 00:04:24,143 And hopefully, they can help us 95 00:04:24,184 --> 00:04:25,811 if there actually is a base. 96 00:04:25,853 --> 00:04:28,188 - We've got UFO sightings, 97 00:04:28,230 --> 00:04:29,982 and cattle mutilations. 98 00:04:30,024 --> 00:04:32,192 But the link to all of those is 99 00:04:32,234 --> 00:04:35,070 there is a multi-level 100 00:04:35,112 --> 00:04:37,906 hidden deep inside 101 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,624 - Some of the strangest evidence 102 00:04:47,666 --> 00:04:49,626 by a man named Paul Bennewitz. 103 00:04:49,668 --> 00:04:52,296 In the 1980s, he became 104 00:04:52,338 --> 00:04:54,381 the secret alien facility. 105 00:04:54,423 --> 00:04:57,718 And then he began to spread 106 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,136 - This guy's name is familiar. 107 00:04:59,178 --> 00:05:01,305 It keeps popping up in 108 00:05:01,347 --> 00:05:03,390 and disinformation campaigns. 109 00:05:03,432 --> 00:05:05,809 If I remember correctly, 110 00:05:05,851 --> 00:05:07,686 and then he was 111 00:05:07,728 --> 00:05:11,440 - He was also a pilot, 112 00:05:11,482 --> 00:05:16,737 and claims that these circles 113 00:05:16,779 --> 00:05:20,491 This is a picture of three 114 00:05:22,451 --> 00:05:25,079 - So Mount Archuleta itself is 115 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,789 - Yeah, so we are actually in 116 00:05:26,830 --> 00:05:29,708 the Jicarilla Apache Nation 117 00:05:29,750 --> 00:05:31,585 - Residents here have believed 118 00:05:31,627 --> 00:05:33,420 for thousands of years. 119 00:05:33,462 --> 00:05:36,382 They say that these ancient 120 00:05:36,423 --> 00:05:38,675 in flying craft 121 00:05:38,717 --> 00:05:40,260 - They do have their own 122 00:05:40,302 --> 00:05:42,846 so we can't just drive in 123 00:05:42,888 --> 00:05:45,516 We actually have to be 124 00:05:45,557 --> 00:05:48,727 so I have contacted an 125 00:05:48,769 --> 00:05:52,314 and we have permission to go 126 00:05:58,904 --> 00:06:01,824 - So how did you get involved 127 00:06:01,865 --> 00:06:03,867 - Oh, wow. 128 00:06:03,909 --> 00:06:06,787 I mean, when I was probably in 129 00:06:06,829 --> 00:06:09,373 I would take my friends out 130 00:06:09,415 --> 00:06:12,209 I really got into this field 131 00:06:12,251 --> 00:06:15,629 I feel like people aren't just 132 00:06:15,671 --> 00:06:17,423 There's just too many. 133 00:06:17,464 --> 00:06:20,050 I mean, there could be aliens 134 00:06:20,092 --> 00:06:23,220 - I remain skeptical for sure, 135 00:06:23,262 --> 00:06:27,433 but I would say we are 136 00:06:27,474 --> 00:06:29,685 Now who is this tribal elder 137 00:06:29,726 --> 00:06:33,354 - Avery Tafoya is a member of 138 00:06:33,397 --> 00:06:36,483 he's lived in Dulce all of his 139 00:06:36,525 --> 00:06:39,445 the Jicarilla Police Department 140 00:06:39,486 --> 00:06:42,197 when they first started having 141 00:06:42,239 --> 00:06:44,324 and having these UFO sightings. 142 00:06:44,366 --> 00:06:46,535 - Hi, Avery. 143 00:06:46,577 --> 00:06:48,954 - So have a lot of people 144 00:06:48,996 --> 00:06:50,830 experienced sightings? 145 00:06:50,873 --> 00:06:53,417 - I have heard stories, and 146 00:06:53,459 --> 00:06:56,420 to this day around 147 00:06:56,462 --> 00:06:58,714 and pretty much 148 00:06:58,755 --> 00:07:01,675 There's a lot of native cultures 149 00:07:01,717 --> 00:07:04,136 They call them star people. 150 00:07:04,178 --> 00:07:06,847 And these are supposedly 151 00:07:06,889 --> 00:07:08,599 - Why do you think the stigma 152 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,559 don't want to talk about it? 153 00:07:10,601 --> 00:07:12,519 - I think a lot of it's 154 00:07:12,561 --> 00:07:14,229 You don't want to be 155 00:07:14,271 --> 00:07:17,733 It does take a lot for someone 156 00:07:17,774 --> 00:07:20,319 Last week we were out taking a 157 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,365 before it got dark and 158 00:07:25,407 --> 00:07:26,909 basically, a UFO. 159 00:07:26,950 --> 00:07:29,870 There was no sound, 160 00:07:29,912 --> 00:07:33,749 - Who was with you? 161 00:07:33,790 --> 00:07:36,502 My daughter saw a UFO 162 00:07:36,543 --> 00:07:39,630 going into the face 163 00:07:41,256 --> 00:07:42,883 - Avery's so tied into the 164 00:07:42,925 --> 00:07:44,551 He pretty much knows everyone. 165 00:07:44,593 --> 00:07:46,720 So he's gonna be really helpful 166 00:07:46,762 --> 00:07:49,348 and really save us 167 00:07:50,682 --> 00:07:52,267 - I'm curious to see what 168 00:07:52,309 --> 00:07:54,228 saw above the mountain. 169 00:07:54,269 --> 00:07:56,313 So we've come to her home in 170 00:07:56,354 --> 00:07:59,525 any more about her own sighting. 171 00:07:59,566 --> 00:08:03,070 So can you tell us what you saw 172 00:08:03,111 --> 00:08:06,240 - We were coming home from my 173 00:08:06,281 --> 00:08:09,034 as we hit the top of the hill, 174 00:08:09,076 --> 00:08:12,621 I just seen like a really, 175 00:08:12,663 --> 00:08:15,249 Bigger than a helicopter, 176 00:08:15,290 --> 00:08:17,501 By the time I started to look 177 00:08:17,543 --> 00:08:21,088 like pointing, and I was like, 178 00:08:30,514 --> 00:08:33,141 - Out of the corner of my eye, 179 00:08:33,182 --> 00:08:35,143 like something shiny. 180 00:08:35,185 --> 00:08:37,771 - We're investigating the claim 181 00:08:37,813 --> 00:08:40,566 is hiding inside a mountain 182 00:08:40,607 --> 00:08:42,734 of northern New Mexico. 183 00:08:42,776 --> 00:08:46,613 - This is what I seen going 184 00:08:48,115 --> 00:08:50,993 - Okay, so this itself is 185 00:08:51,034 --> 00:08:52,327 - Yes. 186 00:08:52,369 --> 00:08:54,121 - And then this is the 187 00:08:54,162 --> 00:08:55,998 - Yes. No exhaust. 188 00:08:56,039 --> 00:08:57,874 There's absolutely 189 00:08:57,916 --> 00:08:59,918 You can see the blue sky and 190 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:02,337 - Now was it going inside 191 00:09:02,379 --> 00:09:04,131 - Yes, I would say so. 192 00:09:04,172 --> 00:09:06,049 When I first seen it, 193 00:09:06,091 --> 00:09:08,093 it was going into the mountain. 194 00:09:08,135 --> 00:09:10,220 - Now if this is to scale, 195 00:09:10,262 --> 00:09:11,888 Would you say it was the size 196 00:09:11,930 --> 00:09:13,348 - I would actually say bigger 197 00:09:13,390 --> 00:09:14,850 When we look up there, 198 00:09:14,891 --> 00:09:16,602 and they just 199 00:09:16,643 --> 00:09:19,855 Bigger than a helicopter, 200 00:09:19,896 --> 00:09:21,648 - And what would you say 201 00:09:21,690 --> 00:09:23,400 what was it made out of? 202 00:09:23,442 --> 00:09:26,612 - Uh, it had to be made out 203 00:09:26,653 --> 00:09:28,864 - Do you, yourself believe 204 00:09:28,905 --> 00:09:30,616 hidden base in Mount Archuleta? 205 00:09:30,657 --> 00:09:33,410 - Yes, I do. 206 00:09:33,452 --> 00:09:37,164 - All the activity we see around 207 00:09:37,205 --> 00:09:39,291 - These sightings 208 00:09:39,333 --> 00:09:40,834 that when you 209 00:09:40,876 --> 00:09:43,545 it seems like they're seeing 210 00:09:43,586 --> 00:09:45,255 and generations before them 211 00:09:45,297 --> 00:09:47,007 and their family 212 00:09:47,049 --> 00:09:48,800 There are signs of their 213 00:09:48,842 --> 00:09:50,969 even on the rocks nearby. 214 00:09:51,011 --> 00:09:53,847 Why would they draw aliens 215 00:09:53,889 --> 00:09:55,599 if they hadn't seen them? 216 00:09:55,641 --> 00:09:57,434 They almost expect to look 217 00:09:57,476 --> 00:09:59,770 and see something unexplainable. 218 00:09:59,811 --> 00:10:03,398 - That was definitely 219 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,525 Katie's story seemed 220 00:10:05,567 --> 00:10:08,779 Her testimony is just another 221 00:10:08,820 --> 00:10:11,698 who's seen something 222 00:10:11,740 --> 00:10:14,034 I'm excited to hit the road 223 00:10:14,076 --> 00:10:16,328 who have insights to share. 224 00:10:16,995 --> 00:10:19,206 - I love hearing people's 225 00:10:19,247 --> 00:10:21,667 just so fascinating to me. 226 00:10:21,708 --> 00:10:23,877 It's evident that something 227 00:10:23,919 --> 00:10:26,129 if this many people are still 228 00:10:26,171 --> 00:10:28,507 and the mountain 229 00:10:28,548 --> 00:10:32,010 - New Mexico has a long history 230 00:10:32,052 --> 00:10:35,681 to 1947 when the US Air Force 231 00:10:35,722 --> 00:10:38,475 flying saucer crashed 232 00:10:38,517 --> 00:10:41,186 With this legacy and the 233 00:10:41,228 --> 00:10:43,438 it's no wonder the Apache 234 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,982 about alien encounters. 235 00:10:46,024 --> 00:10:48,902 Our Apace Nation contact, 236 00:10:48,944 --> 00:10:51,571 with a tribal member who has 237 00:10:51,613 --> 00:10:54,282 after filming an unusual 238 00:10:54,324 --> 00:10:56,076 I'm intrigued to see 239 00:10:56,118 --> 00:11:01,289 So Heather, growing up here, 240 00:11:01,331 --> 00:11:03,667 Did people see them? 241 00:11:03,709 --> 00:11:06,586 - People would see them around 242 00:11:06,628 --> 00:11:09,423 It was kind of like one of those 243 00:11:09,464 --> 00:11:11,675 - Could we look at the video 244 00:11:11,717 --> 00:11:13,760 - Yeah. 245 00:11:15,303 --> 00:11:18,014 So in this part, I'm coming 246 00:11:18,056 --> 00:11:21,476 And I see something catch my eye 247 00:11:21,518 --> 00:11:25,313 It stopped in the air, so when I 248 00:11:25,355 --> 00:11:26,857 and I started recording. 249 00:11:26,898 --> 00:11:28,942 And then it started going. 250 00:11:28,984 --> 00:11:30,944 It was the oddest thing ever. 251 00:11:30,986 --> 00:11:33,447 - What do you think it was? 252 00:11:33,488 --> 00:11:37,951 It was a cigar-shaped object 253 00:11:39,035 --> 00:11:43,957 That being stopped in mid-air. 254 00:11:46,418 --> 00:11:50,547 And now it's going back behind 255 00:11:52,340 --> 00:11:54,760 - So if we look at the video, 256 00:11:54,801 --> 00:11:57,304 It's not as close up as we would 257 00:11:57,345 --> 00:12:00,223 It's a little bit shaky, but 258 00:12:00,265 --> 00:12:02,768 interesting about how it moves. 259 00:12:02,809 --> 00:12:04,811 - It kinda floated off 260 00:12:04,853 --> 00:12:07,647 over the mountain where I am 261 00:12:07,689 --> 00:12:09,274 the mountain behind mine. 262 00:12:09,316 --> 00:12:11,902 - And have you ever seen 263 00:12:11,943 --> 00:12:13,695 or after? 264 00:12:13,737 --> 00:12:15,489 - Would you be able to provide 265 00:12:15,530 --> 00:12:17,073 - Yeah, sure. 266 00:12:17,115 --> 00:12:18,742 - We get caught up in this 267 00:12:18,784 --> 00:12:20,243 extraterrestrials. 268 00:12:20,285 --> 00:12:21,953 It's an unidentified flying 269 00:12:21,995 --> 00:12:24,456 cigar-shaped object is. 270 00:12:24,498 --> 00:12:26,958 However, it does back up the 271 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,044 passed down over generations 272 00:12:29,085 --> 00:12:32,130 unidentified objects in the sky. 273 00:12:38,553 --> 00:12:41,848 The fact that so many sightings 274 00:12:41,890 --> 00:12:43,850 could support the claim 275 00:12:43,892 --> 00:12:46,394 of military base there. 276 00:12:46,436 --> 00:12:48,271 I want Avery to 277 00:12:48,313 --> 00:12:51,107 so we can take a look 278 00:12:51,149 --> 00:12:55,111 On the Apache Nation side, 279 00:12:55,153 --> 00:12:57,697 - We're gonna be driving 280 00:12:57,739 --> 00:13:00,116 Even though the road was steep 281 00:13:00,158 --> 00:13:03,203 it's gonna get worse, 282 00:13:03,245 --> 00:13:05,580 If you start spinning, 283 00:13:05,622 --> 00:13:07,707 and we'll see what we can do. 284 00:13:07,749 --> 00:13:10,293 - Is that the rock face up there 285 00:13:10,335 --> 00:13:11,878 that people have been 286 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,005 - Yeah, that's one of them. 287 00:13:14,047 --> 00:13:16,508 There might be another one 288 00:13:16,550 --> 00:13:19,010 - It's pretty incredible to be 289 00:13:19,052 --> 00:13:21,263 and to be able to get to the 290 00:13:21,304 --> 00:13:22,973 that you hear, 291 00:13:23,014 --> 00:13:25,183 if there is an 292 00:13:25,225 --> 00:13:27,644 - Okay, you ready to go? 293 00:13:28,186 --> 00:13:32,232 - This place's a lot more remote 294 00:13:32,274 --> 00:13:34,985 And it would be relatively easy 295 00:13:35,026 --> 00:13:37,195 whatever you wanted without 296 00:13:37,237 --> 00:13:38,905 People don't have access 297 00:13:38,947 --> 00:13:41,575 and we literally haven't seen 298 00:13:43,285 --> 00:13:45,036 If you don't think our 299 00:13:45,078 --> 00:13:48,832 secret multi-level base 300 00:13:48,874 --> 00:13:52,586 We know the US has built bases 301 00:13:52,627 --> 00:13:56,548 like the famous NORAD Base at 302 00:13:56,590 --> 00:14:00,385 It's quite possible, even likely 303 00:14:00,427 --> 00:14:02,888 we don't know about. 304 00:14:05,682 --> 00:14:08,643 - Oh my God. 305 00:14:08,685 --> 00:14:11,021 - It'll be next to impossible 306 00:14:11,062 --> 00:14:13,773 ourselves, so I'm calling in 307 00:14:13,815 --> 00:14:15,901 to get us a bird's eye view. 308 00:14:15,942 --> 00:14:18,069 We're hopeful that a more 309 00:14:18,111 --> 00:14:21,239 can shed light 310 00:14:26,411 --> 00:14:28,246 - That was quite the journey. 311 00:14:28,288 --> 00:14:29,998 - So where is this 312 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,708 we keep hearing about? 313 00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:34,169 - Okay, right here 314 00:14:34,210 --> 00:14:36,046 it'll be the face of the 315 00:14:36,086 --> 00:14:38,089 that we drove under, 316 00:14:38,131 --> 00:14:39,591 - Do you mind if we 317 00:14:39,633 --> 00:14:41,635 - Yeah, that's fine. 318 00:14:44,179 --> 00:14:48,433 - Wow, look at this view. 319 00:14:50,185 --> 00:14:52,562 But the logistical challenges 320 00:14:52,604 --> 00:14:54,981 on a regular basis, 321 00:14:55,023 --> 00:14:56,816 there's a helopad somewhere. 322 00:14:56,858 --> 00:14:59,402 I mean, the road, imagine 323 00:14:59,444 --> 00:15:01,154 - There's no way, so I feel 324 00:15:01,196 --> 00:15:02,739 the only thing that makes sense. 325 00:15:02,781 --> 00:15:05,075 - So my drone guy's gonna 326 00:15:05,116 --> 00:15:06,743 He'll have a thermal cam 327 00:15:06,785 --> 00:15:09,079 to show us what we can't see. 328 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,206 And I think we should look 329 00:15:11,247 --> 00:15:13,875 of opening, anything camouflaged 330 00:15:13,917 --> 00:15:15,835 because many people have 331 00:15:15,877 --> 00:15:17,754 - Okay. 332 00:15:20,382 --> 00:15:22,133 Now this cliff face that 333 00:15:22,175 --> 00:15:24,803 400 feet high, so there's 334 00:15:24,844 --> 00:15:27,514 by ourselves, so we brought 335 00:15:27,555 --> 00:15:30,266 And basically we are looking 336 00:15:30,308 --> 00:15:32,227 some sort of cavern, 337 00:15:32,268 --> 00:15:35,021 that could lead to something 338 00:15:35,063 --> 00:15:38,525 - You know, the wind speed's 339 00:15:38,566 --> 00:15:41,903 And it looks like we got a storm 340 00:15:41,945 --> 00:15:44,030 - This vertical line right here, 341 00:15:44,072 --> 00:15:45,448 - Yeah, definitely. 342 00:15:45,490 --> 00:15:46,741 - What is that right there? 343 00:15:46,783 --> 00:15:48,201 It's like a little groove, 344 00:15:48,243 --> 00:15:50,662 Can you fly the drone in there? 345 00:15:51,830 --> 00:15:53,873 Oh, that's interesting. 346 00:15:53,915 --> 00:15:55,792 That looks... 347 00:15:55,834 --> 00:15:58,545 That really does kinda look 348 00:15:59,629 --> 00:16:02,007 Okay, can you get closer? 349 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:23,695 - We've come to New Mexico 350 00:16:23,737 --> 00:16:27,240 story that a secret alien base 351 00:16:27,282 --> 00:16:29,367 on Apache territory. 352 00:16:29,409 --> 00:16:31,411 Getting up to the top 353 00:16:31,453 --> 00:16:33,830 is only the first challenge. 354 00:16:33,872 --> 00:16:35,707 So we brought 355 00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:38,293 He's going to attach a thermal 356 00:16:38,334 --> 00:16:40,086 looking for heat signatures. 357 00:16:40,128 --> 00:16:42,130 Any temperature variation is 358 00:16:42,172 --> 00:16:43,965 for us. 359 00:16:44,007 --> 00:16:47,177 That's interesting, too. 360 00:16:51,973 --> 00:16:53,767 - There have been reports 361 00:16:53,808 --> 00:16:56,144 coming out of the ground. 362 00:16:56,186 --> 00:16:58,480 There are even obscure photos 363 00:16:58,521 --> 00:17:00,774 indicating something 364 00:17:00,815 --> 00:17:03,902 but I don't see anything in this 365 00:17:03,943 --> 00:17:05,694 Did you find anything? 366 00:17:05,737 --> 00:17:07,238 - You know as far as 367 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:09,532 it looks pretty uniform 368 00:17:09,574 --> 00:17:13,202 Although, there were features I 369 00:17:13,244 --> 00:17:17,039 You have this vertical line, 370 00:17:17,082 --> 00:17:20,293 zoomed in right there. 371 00:17:20,335 --> 00:17:24,463 - And then you have this sort 372 00:17:24,506 --> 00:17:28,093 into it and it looks almost 373 00:17:28,134 --> 00:17:31,304 so watch, he'll go in. 374 00:17:31,346 --> 00:17:33,014 You see? 375 00:17:33,056 --> 00:17:36,226 - Mm-hmm. 376 00:17:36,601 --> 00:17:38,937 What's that temperature change? 377 00:17:38,978 --> 00:17:41,439 - Ninety four, but then it did 378 00:17:42,816 --> 00:17:44,651 I do want to look at this a 379 00:17:44,692 --> 00:17:47,362 - Yeah, we should definitely 380 00:17:49,072 --> 00:17:50,240 - This storm is getting 381 00:17:50,281 --> 00:17:51,783 the thunder and the lightning. 382 00:17:51,825 --> 00:17:53,660 I think we should get off the 383 00:17:53,701 --> 00:17:55,662 before we get stuck up here. 384 00:18:23,356 --> 00:18:26,401 - Mysterious incidents continue 385 00:18:26,442 --> 00:18:27,944 in northern New Mexico. 386 00:18:27,986 --> 00:18:29,654 Members of the 387 00:18:29,696 --> 00:18:32,448 frequently report sightings 388 00:18:32,490 --> 00:18:35,118 but the area's strange history 389 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,247 the longest-running, unsolved 390 00:18:39,289 --> 00:18:41,624 We've come to the Tafoya family 391 00:18:41,666 --> 00:18:44,460 were once mutilated, 392 00:18:44,502 --> 00:18:48,548 that some have claimed was the 393 00:18:48,590 --> 00:18:52,677 - It started around 1972. 394 00:18:52,719 --> 00:18:56,097 Um, and I'm gonna say there 395 00:18:56,139 --> 00:18:58,850 that were mutilated. 396 00:18:58,892 --> 00:19:01,853 - So your dad was the 397 00:19:01,895 --> 00:19:04,397 - Yes. 398 00:19:04,439 --> 00:19:07,734 - And what were his thoughts 399 00:19:07,775 --> 00:19:10,195 - You know, at first they were 400 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:12,947 for the lack of blood and just 401 00:19:12,989 --> 00:19:15,116 The cuts were laser cut. 402 00:19:15,158 --> 00:19:18,494 At first they thought it was 403 00:19:18,536 --> 00:19:21,831 but normally 404 00:19:21,873 --> 00:19:23,625 the scavengers will 405 00:19:23,666 --> 00:19:25,752 the crows, 406 00:19:25,793 --> 00:19:28,046 As they started investigating 407 00:19:28,087 --> 00:19:31,341 the predators were leaving 408 00:19:31,382 --> 00:19:33,968 - That, to me is 409 00:19:34,010 --> 00:19:36,346 Apparently, the predators were 410 00:19:36,387 --> 00:19:39,390 - Yes. 411 00:19:39,432 --> 00:19:41,726 - When these cattle were found, 412 00:19:41,768 --> 00:19:44,103 of human activity around them? 413 00:19:44,145 --> 00:19:45,897 Did you see marks of any sort? 414 00:19:45,939 --> 00:19:50,485 - No. There was no footprints, 415 00:19:50,526 --> 00:19:53,780 There was tripod marks on the 416 00:19:53,821 --> 00:19:55,782 all they found around the cows. 417 00:19:55,823 --> 00:19:58,701 And also they would find 418 00:19:58,743 --> 00:20:02,538 like broken ribs 419 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:06,292 which meant it was 420 00:20:06,334 --> 00:20:09,087 - So you're suggesting that 421 00:20:09,128 --> 00:20:11,089 and lifted up the cows and 422 00:20:11,130 --> 00:20:13,675 - Yes. And that's what brought 423 00:20:13,716 --> 00:20:16,094 it was aliens and UFOs. 424 00:20:16,135 --> 00:20:18,721 - Has anyone ever reported 425 00:20:18,763 --> 00:20:20,974 lifted up and flown around? 426 00:20:21,015 --> 00:20:23,184 - No, I actually haven't, 427 00:20:23,226 --> 00:20:25,103 of the night most of the time. 428 00:20:25,144 --> 00:20:27,146 - Do you believe that the 429 00:20:27,188 --> 00:20:30,149 to what was supposedly happening 430 00:20:30,191 --> 00:20:31,776 at that time? 431 00:20:31,818 --> 00:20:35,488 - Yes, I do and a lot of people 432 00:20:35,530 --> 00:20:37,657 - The one thing that really 433 00:20:37,699 --> 00:20:39,993 mutilations are occuring, 434 00:20:40,034 --> 00:20:42,787 unexplained lights in the sky? 435 00:20:42,829 --> 00:20:45,081 That's the big question 436 00:20:45,123 --> 00:20:48,042 What are these lights and 437 00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:54,924 - To back up his claims about 438 00:20:54,966 --> 00:20:56,884 Avery has offered 439 00:20:56,926 --> 00:20:59,095 to one of the original 440 00:20:59,137 --> 00:21:00,847 - I have a gentleman here. 441 00:21:00,888 --> 00:21:03,975 He's worked with my father 442 00:21:04,017 --> 00:21:06,144 And also, he has some 443 00:21:06,185 --> 00:21:09,480 on the underground base 444 00:21:09,522 --> 00:21:11,691 Uh, his name's Hoyt Velarde. 445 00:21:11,733 --> 00:21:15,862 - Hoyt, what was the time period 446 00:21:15,903 --> 00:21:18,031 took place? 447 00:21:18,072 --> 00:21:21,909 - I'd say the early 60s 448 00:21:21,951 --> 00:21:26,748 We investigated over 200 head. 449 00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:32,670 Like this one here, this cow 450 00:21:32,712 --> 00:21:34,839 These things are evidence 451 00:21:34,881 --> 00:21:36,299 see these incisions. 452 00:21:36,341 --> 00:21:37,508 - Who do you think is 453 00:21:37,550 --> 00:21:39,552 for these mutilations? 454 00:21:39,594 --> 00:21:41,804 - Well, the first thing that 455 00:21:41,846 --> 00:21:44,432 looking at the skies because 456 00:21:44,474 --> 00:21:48,603 Somebody said they 457 00:21:48,644 --> 00:21:51,939 Two cowboys were riding back to 458 00:21:51,981 --> 00:21:55,360 summer day, horses are walking. 459 00:21:55,401 --> 00:22:00,114 It was hot, so everything's 460 00:22:00,156 --> 00:22:03,451 And all of a sudden they hear 461 00:22:03,493 --> 00:22:05,870 and they jump as they're 462 00:22:05,912 --> 00:22:10,333 Before they turned, 463 00:22:10,375 --> 00:22:13,836 They went back and found a 464 00:22:13,878 --> 00:22:15,505 - What was the condition 465 00:22:15,546 --> 00:22:17,965 - The cow was mutilated, 466 00:22:18,007 --> 00:22:22,678 They didn't see anything, but 467 00:22:25,139 --> 00:22:27,266 - Normally when you go into an 468 00:22:27,308 --> 00:22:30,228 a thread somewhere you can pull 469 00:22:30,269 --> 00:22:32,730 And that's just not 470 00:22:32,772 --> 00:22:34,941 It's pretty bizarre. 471 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,582 - Journalist Greg Bishop 472 00:22:51,624 --> 00:22:54,335 at Dulce Base by writing a book 473 00:22:54,377 --> 00:22:56,045 He's long been compelled 474 00:22:56,087 --> 00:22:58,214 which continue to 475 00:22:58,256 --> 00:23:00,216 And we're meeting him 476 00:23:00,258 --> 00:23:03,511 cattle mutilations, 477 00:23:03,553 --> 00:23:05,471 of a government cover-up. 478 00:23:05,513 --> 00:23:08,766 - So thank you so much 479 00:23:08,808 --> 00:23:12,186 We have a lot of questions 480 00:23:12,228 --> 00:23:15,606 - It seemed to be northwestern 481 00:23:15,648 --> 00:23:17,775 was where it was concentrated 482 00:23:17,817 --> 00:23:20,236 Senator Harrison Schmitt was 483 00:23:20,278 --> 00:23:23,656 all that from ranchers saying, 484 00:23:23,698 --> 00:23:26,117 We don't know why. 485 00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:27,785 - Are you aware of any 486 00:23:27,827 --> 00:23:29,912 cattle mutilations? 487 00:23:29,954 --> 00:23:31,706 - Well, the similarities 488 00:23:31,747 --> 00:23:35,668 what is found is unexplainable 489 00:23:35,710 --> 00:23:38,546 Predators don't leave 490 00:23:38,588 --> 00:23:41,883 Predators don't leave surgical 491 00:23:41,924 --> 00:23:46,095 Predators don't go in and take 492 00:23:46,137 --> 00:23:48,890 without leaving any obvious 493 00:23:48,931 --> 00:23:52,185 The funny thing is when the FBI 494 00:23:52,226 --> 00:23:55,146 the mutilations stopped during 495 00:23:55,188 --> 00:23:57,398 And then when they finished it, 496 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,275 So somebody knew something 497 00:23:59,317 --> 00:24:00,902 - Do you think that there 498 00:24:00,943 --> 00:24:02,653 Archuleta Mountain? 499 00:24:02,695 --> 00:24:06,073 - In Dulce, I think that 500 00:24:06,115 --> 00:24:07,867 of strange things. 501 00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:10,495 I used to think that 502 00:24:10,536 --> 00:24:13,080 and this was just rumors started 503 00:24:13,122 --> 00:24:15,708 People used to see things flying 504 00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:19,420 and Project Beta was what 505 00:24:19,462 --> 00:24:23,382 project to figure out what was 506 00:24:23,424 --> 00:24:25,384 invasion he thought was coming. 507 00:24:25,426 --> 00:24:27,053 I believe there was 508 00:24:27,094 --> 00:24:28,721 I don't know what it was for. 509 00:24:28,763 --> 00:24:31,641 The craziest thing I could think 510 00:24:31,682 --> 00:24:34,268 facility to test aircraft 511 00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:36,771 James Bondian-type speculation. 512 00:24:36,812 --> 00:24:39,023 - Is there anyone else who might 513 00:24:39,065 --> 00:24:41,567 on the idea that a secret base 514 00:24:41,609 --> 00:24:44,028 is connected to aliens? 515 00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:46,364 - Have you thought of talking 516 00:24:46,405 --> 00:24:49,367 He was an Air Force intel agent 517 00:24:49,408 --> 00:24:52,995 Talk to Doty yourself and 518 00:24:53,454 --> 00:24:55,623 - I was really glad that 519 00:24:55,665 --> 00:24:57,667 I felt like he had a lot to 520 00:24:57,708 --> 00:25:00,086 he talked to Richard Doty 521 00:25:00,127 --> 00:25:02,672 - Yeah, I really hope that we 522 00:25:02,713 --> 00:25:04,215 - I'll reach out and 523 00:25:04,257 --> 00:25:06,259 - Okay. 524 00:25:10,763 --> 00:25:12,974 - We've come to the National 525 00:25:13,015 --> 00:25:16,102 in Albuquerque to meet one of 526 00:25:16,143 --> 00:25:18,062 in the Dulce Base mystery. 527 00:25:18,104 --> 00:25:20,189 - This is the oldest bomber 528 00:25:20,231 --> 00:25:21,774 - Richard Doty was an 529 00:25:21,816 --> 00:25:23,442 for the US Air Force. 530 00:25:23,484 --> 00:25:26,153 His critics say he deliberately 531 00:25:26,195 --> 00:25:30,157 to manipulate the public's 532 00:25:30,199 --> 00:25:32,034 You worked for the Air Force 533 00:25:32,076 --> 00:25:35,371 Special Investigation 534 00:25:35,413 --> 00:25:38,332 - Yes. I conducted 535 00:25:38,374 --> 00:25:41,377 counter-espionage operations 536 00:25:41,419 --> 00:25:45,131 to fool our adversaries 537 00:25:45,172 --> 00:25:47,258 call disinformation. 538 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:48,426 - How does the cattle 539 00:25:48,467 --> 00:25:49,719 fit into all of this? 540 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,679 - It didn't just involve cattle. 541 00:25:51,721 --> 00:25:56,642 It involved game, elk, deer, 542 00:25:56,684 --> 00:25:59,145 - We've spoke with a lot of 543 00:25:59,186 --> 00:26:02,064 their cattle having what looks 544 00:26:02,106 --> 00:26:04,358 finding tripod marks 545 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,402 Does any of that 546 00:26:06,444 --> 00:26:07,695 - That sounds like the 547 00:26:07,737 --> 00:26:10,615 the government was doing. 548 00:26:10,656 --> 00:26:16,162 We, the government, took these 549 00:26:16,203 --> 00:26:18,331 to another location, 550 00:26:18,372 --> 00:26:20,499 it was originally found. 551 00:26:20,541 --> 00:26:22,335 The United States government was 552 00:26:22,376 --> 00:26:24,920 to determine how much nuclear 553 00:26:24,962 --> 00:26:27,840 And this was done primarily in 554 00:26:27,882 --> 00:26:29,592 and even into the 90s, 555 00:26:29,634 --> 00:26:34,555 seeing if the cells were 556 00:26:34,597 --> 00:26:38,601 the offspring was mutilated. 557 00:26:38,643 --> 00:26:40,436 - What's the point 558 00:26:40,478 --> 00:26:43,064 - To keep the public 559 00:26:43,105 --> 00:26:45,358 government was doing. 560 00:26:45,399 --> 00:26:47,735 - Are there any other reasons 561 00:26:47,777 --> 00:26:49,362 besides national security? 562 00:26:49,403 --> 00:26:52,657 - Yes. To hide a 563 00:26:52,698 --> 00:26:56,827 For instance, if somebody was 564 00:26:56,869 --> 00:27:00,998 flying over their house or 565 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,835 And they call somebody and say, 566 00:27:04,877 --> 00:27:08,631 to the press, we may pay them a 567 00:27:08,673 --> 00:27:11,175 that what they saw was 568 00:27:11,217 --> 00:27:14,679 On the other hand, if they saw 569 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,475 by the fact that this thing 570 00:27:19,517 --> 00:27:23,020 and flying faster than we could 571 00:27:23,062 --> 00:27:26,232 we'd try to convince them that 572 00:27:26,273 --> 00:27:27,858 So it works both ways. 573 00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:30,403 - As far as you know, 574 00:27:30,444 --> 00:27:31,987 about extraterrestrials? 575 00:27:32,029 --> 00:27:34,740 - It goes back to 1947, 576 00:27:34,782 --> 00:27:36,492 There was two crashes. 577 00:27:36,534 --> 00:27:39,453 The second craft landed in 578 00:27:39,495 --> 00:27:42,039 Nobody wanted to believe them 579 00:27:42,081 --> 00:27:46,168 that one live ET was found 580 00:27:47,336 --> 00:27:49,171 - The ET was taken 581 00:27:49,213 --> 00:27:52,174 - No. The ET was taken 582 00:27:52,216 --> 00:27:53,551 - How many dead ETs 583 00:27:53,592 --> 00:27:56,387 - Five. 584 00:27:56,429 --> 00:27:58,222 - Can we assume then that 585 00:27:58,264 --> 00:28:02,143 with aliens at some point? 586 00:28:02,184 --> 00:28:05,730 We can deduce from the fact 587 00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:08,482 that our government was 588 00:28:08,524 --> 00:28:10,818 He was providing information 589 00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:13,738 about their technology, 590 00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:15,823 - So you've seen 591 00:28:15,865 --> 00:28:18,492 - I saw an extraterrestrial 592 00:28:18,534 --> 00:28:20,369 camera while I was at Area 51. 593 00:28:20,411 --> 00:28:21,579 - Really? 594 00:28:29,128 --> 00:28:31,088 - So you've seen 595 00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:34,049 - I saw an extraterrestrial 596 00:28:34,091 --> 00:28:35,509 camera while I was at Area 51. 597 00:28:35,551 --> 00:28:37,094 - Really? 598 00:28:37,136 --> 00:28:39,555 The agent that was sitting 599 00:28:39,597 --> 00:28:41,390 at a closed-circuit 600 00:28:41,432 --> 00:28:44,643 Now this is 1980s, you remember. 601 00:28:44,685 --> 00:28:45,936 I said, what are we looking at? 602 00:28:45,978 --> 00:28:48,522 He said, they're interviewing 603 00:28:48,564 --> 00:28:54,195 Now, what I saw was a gray ET, 604 00:28:54,236 --> 00:28:56,280 There was a man next to him. 605 00:28:56,322 --> 00:28:59,116 They were communicating 606 00:28:59,158 --> 00:29:01,494 I wasn't supposed to see it, 607 00:29:01,535 --> 00:29:03,078 - To your knowledge, 608 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,457 to reverse engineer any 609 00:29:06,499 --> 00:29:10,961 - Yes. When I was in Area 51, 610 00:29:11,003 --> 00:29:13,798 It was doing things that we 611 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,759 And I was briefed in 1984 612 00:29:16,801 --> 00:29:18,803 with five different alien races. 613 00:29:18,844 --> 00:29:21,388 We had some kind of technology 614 00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:24,141 - Talking with Richard Doty is a 615 00:29:24,183 --> 00:29:27,812 he's infiltrated UFO circles 616 00:29:27,853 --> 00:29:31,190 but yet he worked at Area 51 617 00:29:31,232 --> 00:29:33,359 with the government during 618 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,194 strange occurrences. 619 00:29:35,236 --> 00:29:37,488 - When you first hear the story 620 00:29:37,530 --> 00:29:40,866 he discovered, a lot of people 621 00:29:40,908 --> 00:29:44,245 but it does seem like there was 622 00:29:44,286 --> 00:29:46,121 proved to be true. 623 00:29:46,163 --> 00:29:49,166 - Yes. I think he tapped 624 00:29:49,208 --> 00:29:51,710 Is there a base down there? 625 00:29:51,752 --> 00:29:53,212 I was never down there. 626 00:29:53,254 --> 00:29:55,589 I never read anything about 627 00:29:55,631 --> 00:29:58,926 That's my knowledge of Dulce. 628 00:29:58,968 --> 00:30:00,886 - Now clearly, you had a 629 00:30:00,928 --> 00:30:03,264 on some level with Paul. 630 00:30:03,305 --> 00:30:06,725 When all of this happened and 631 00:30:06,767 --> 00:30:10,646 how did you feel about that 632 00:30:10,688 --> 00:30:12,398 participating in this 633 00:30:12,439 --> 00:30:14,525 that could have led to that? 634 00:30:14,567 --> 00:30:19,613 - Well, the nuts and bolts 635 00:30:19,655 --> 00:30:22,950 a believer in UFOs. 636 00:30:22,992 --> 00:30:26,287 And he told us that 637 00:30:26,328 --> 00:30:28,622 We never drugged him. 638 00:30:28,664 --> 00:30:32,751 We never did performed any kind 639 00:30:32,793 --> 00:30:36,297 or psych operations on him. 640 00:30:36,338 --> 00:30:38,424 - Richard Doty's testimony 641 00:30:38,465 --> 00:30:42,928 I mean, he said he saw an actual 642 00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:46,015 And that's one question 643 00:30:46,056 --> 00:30:48,350 It almost makes me wonder 644 00:30:48,392 --> 00:30:52,229 the UFO activity in this area 645 00:30:52,271 --> 00:30:53,939 Richard, do you still work 646 00:30:53,981 --> 00:30:56,483 - No, absolutely not. 647 00:31:00,487 --> 00:31:04,033 - I feel like that was the 648 00:31:04,074 --> 00:31:05,910 He basically threw every 649 00:31:05,951 --> 00:31:07,286 in the book at us. 650 00:31:07,328 --> 00:31:09,121 - Do you believe him? 651 00:31:09,163 --> 00:31:10,539 - I do believe that 652 00:31:10,581 --> 00:31:13,500 launched a disinformation 653 00:31:13,542 --> 00:31:15,961 what makes more sense from a 654 00:31:16,003 --> 00:31:17,463 That it's extraterrestrials 655 00:31:17,504 --> 00:31:20,299 or that it is a top-secret 656 00:31:20,341 --> 00:31:21,634 They want to keep that quiet. 657 00:31:21,675 --> 00:31:23,302 - I keep thinking about this. 658 00:31:23,344 --> 00:31:24,970 Why would the government need 659 00:31:25,012 --> 00:31:26,597 and then cover it up? 660 00:31:26,639 --> 00:31:28,641 - I think if we can figure out 661 00:31:28,682 --> 00:31:31,810 understand what is happening 662 00:31:34,229 --> 00:31:36,315 Heather's going to delve 663 00:31:36,357 --> 00:31:40,903 I review or UFO footage of 664 00:31:40,945 --> 00:31:43,530 Brian Mahoney was a military 665 00:31:43,572 --> 00:31:46,033 during the 80s and early 90s. 666 00:31:46,075 --> 00:31:48,369 I'm excited for someone with his 667 00:31:48,410 --> 00:31:50,079 to take a look at this footage. 668 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,164 Brian, thank you so much 669 00:31:52,206 --> 00:31:54,249 I have some footage that 670 00:31:54,291 --> 00:31:56,585 - Well, I'd love to see it, Jen. 671 00:31:56,627 --> 00:31:59,088 - Let's talk a little bit first 672 00:31:59,129 --> 00:32:01,507 in the Army, how long you flew, 673 00:32:01,548 --> 00:32:06,345 - I flew attack helicopters for 674 00:32:06,387 --> 00:32:10,432 Mostly I flew in Western Europe 675 00:32:10,474 --> 00:32:12,810 Central America with one 676 00:32:12,851 --> 00:32:15,771 - And so you've flown over 677 00:32:15,813 --> 00:32:18,107 Is there anything different 678 00:32:18,148 --> 00:32:19,733 than any other place 679 00:32:19,775 --> 00:32:23,612 - I will tell you, on my map 680 00:32:23,654 --> 00:32:26,949 We could not just fly anywhere 681 00:32:26,991 --> 00:32:29,576 - And so the red lines are 682 00:32:29,618 --> 00:32:30,995 no-fly zones, essentially? 683 00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:32,621 - No-fly zones, a lot 684 00:32:32,663 --> 00:32:34,248 in New Mexico. 685 00:32:34,289 --> 00:32:36,959 This is a state where they 686 00:32:37,001 --> 00:32:39,712 You've got three different 687 00:32:39,753 --> 00:32:42,881 These guys work on all 688 00:32:42,923 --> 00:32:45,259 There's a lot of stuff going 689 00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:48,387 the attention, but I'm telling 690 00:32:48,429 --> 00:32:51,515 they saw something, 691 00:32:51,557 --> 00:32:54,143 - So we have some footage 692 00:32:54,184 --> 00:32:56,478 and you know from a layperson's 693 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,938 I'm a veteran, but 694 00:32:57,980 --> 00:33:01,025 I'd love to get your POV 695 00:33:01,066 --> 00:33:05,195 Now this was taken in the 696 00:33:05,237 --> 00:33:07,156 - Oh, I see it. 697 00:33:07,197 --> 00:33:11,744 - Oh, that's cool. 698 00:33:13,203 --> 00:33:15,622 - Now what are your thoughts 699 00:33:15,664 --> 00:33:17,458 - Okay. 700 00:33:17,499 --> 00:33:19,918 - I know it's very hard to see 701 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,464 - Well, it is from this 702 00:33:23,505 --> 00:33:26,842 I can tell you there's no laws 703 00:33:26,884 --> 00:33:30,387 Everything is within a 704 00:33:30,429 --> 00:33:33,557 of technology that we already 705 00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,935 I would say that there 706 00:33:36,977 --> 00:33:38,937 to support a conclusion. 707 00:33:38,979 --> 00:33:39,730 - The interesting thing 708 00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:43,317 the video said that the reason 709 00:33:43,358 --> 00:33:47,196 because she saw this craft, 710 00:33:47,237 --> 00:33:48,989 And that was enough 711 00:33:49,031 --> 00:33:50,908 wait, maybe I should have this 712 00:33:50,949 --> 00:33:52,951 - If it stopped in mid-air, 713 00:33:52,993 --> 00:33:56,622 different ballgame, but I have 714 00:33:56,663 --> 00:34:00,125 where an aircraft turns, 715 00:34:00,167 --> 00:34:03,921 and it looks for a few moments 716 00:34:03,962 --> 00:34:07,424 At this distance she could 717 00:34:07,466 --> 00:34:09,801 particular moment. 718 00:34:09,843 --> 00:34:11,928 - We both know from serving 719 00:34:11,970 --> 00:34:14,013 that the military keeps secrets 720 00:34:14,056 --> 00:34:15,974 at keeping secrets. 721 00:34:16,015 --> 00:34:18,102 Something like this, 722 00:34:18,143 --> 00:34:21,312 how hard is it to keep a secret 723 00:34:21,355 --> 00:34:23,982 - Sometimes things don't even go 724 00:34:24,024 --> 00:34:25,776 even go past the officer's club. 725 00:34:25,818 --> 00:34:27,736 Sometimes it makes it up 726 00:34:27,778 --> 00:34:29,946 sometimes division, 727 00:34:29,988 --> 00:34:32,908 So yes, can we keep secrets? 728 00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:35,993 I think, there's no one like the 729 00:34:36,035 --> 00:34:38,955 that can keep secrets. 730 00:34:41,834 --> 00:34:44,294 - Heather and I are meeting 731 00:34:44,336 --> 00:34:46,129 the footage of the mountain 732 00:34:46,171 --> 00:34:49,716 secret underground base is 733 00:34:49,758 --> 00:34:51,676 Based off of your experience 734 00:34:51,718 --> 00:34:53,428 what do you see here? 735 00:34:53,470 --> 00:34:55,806 - For the locals to look up and 736 00:34:55,848 --> 00:34:58,517 unusual because the cracks 737 00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:00,394 are vertical. 738 00:35:00,435 --> 00:35:02,479 - There's several spots on the 739 00:35:02,521 --> 00:35:04,898 people have said that they 740 00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:06,567 entering and exiting. 741 00:35:06,608 --> 00:35:08,861 - So I think this is probably 742 00:35:08,902 --> 00:35:11,488 These vertical cracks form when 743 00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:14,533 it starts to cool off like a 744 00:35:14,575 --> 00:35:16,493 cracks in them as it's sitting 745 00:35:16,535 --> 00:35:18,328 Lava does the same thing. 746 00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:20,080 - Now if we're looking at a 747 00:35:20,122 --> 00:35:22,583 that actually is built 748 00:35:22,624 --> 00:35:25,002 What are the differences between 749 00:35:25,043 --> 00:35:29,006 - NORAD is built in a feature 750 00:35:29,047 --> 00:35:31,842 And it is what we call a 751 00:35:31,884 --> 00:35:33,677 it's a very, very hard rock. 752 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,888 It's like over a billion 753 00:35:35,929 --> 00:35:38,140 And then it's a good building 754 00:35:38,182 --> 00:35:40,309 if you made a tunnel in 755 00:35:40,350 --> 00:35:42,561 the tunnel's probably 756 00:35:42,603 --> 00:35:45,272 So a volcanic rock because 757 00:35:45,314 --> 00:35:48,192 of cracks in it, we would have 758 00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:50,027 on our heads, right? 759 00:35:50,068 --> 00:35:52,446 With the exception that unless 760 00:35:52,487 --> 00:35:54,239 and we get these warm magmas 761 00:35:54,281 --> 00:35:55,908 that are cooling 762 00:35:55,949 --> 00:35:58,202 and then you can get some pretty 763 00:35:58,243 --> 00:36:00,495 I think building something 764 00:36:00,537 --> 00:36:02,915 question depending on how 765 00:36:02,956 --> 00:36:04,708 - Interesting. 766 00:36:04,750 --> 00:36:06,418 - So Codi, from your personal 767 00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:08,921 possible that there could be 768 00:36:08,962 --> 00:36:11,048 - Frankly, the more I think 769 00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:14,009 If you're gonna have a hidden 770 00:36:14,051 --> 00:36:16,970 it in a mountain with vertical 771 00:36:17,012 --> 00:36:19,097 so you can hide the door, 772 00:36:19,139 --> 00:36:20,974 So my professional opinion, 773 00:36:21,016 --> 00:36:23,560 but I certainly 774 00:36:34,988 --> 00:36:38,033 - So many experts we've spoken 775 00:36:38,075 --> 00:36:40,160 is linked to a government 776 00:36:40,202 --> 00:36:42,246 of secret military craft. 777 00:36:42,287 --> 00:36:44,414 But as we move forward 778 00:36:44,456 --> 00:36:47,876 I'm now convinced that things 779 00:36:47,918 --> 00:36:50,212 New Mexico has always been 780 00:36:50,254 --> 00:36:53,006 for the nation's most 781 00:36:53,048 --> 00:36:55,759 In fact, the first atomic bomb 782 00:36:55,801 --> 00:36:58,387 in 1945. 783 00:37:04,851 --> 00:37:06,728 - Apparently, Heather found 784 00:37:06,770 --> 00:37:09,189 She asked me to meet her 785 00:37:09,231 --> 00:37:11,692 Jicarilla Apache Nation. 786 00:37:17,572 --> 00:37:19,658 - Project GasBuggy. 787 00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:23,287 - Yeah, so this is the site 788 00:37:23,328 --> 00:37:25,706 the United States 789 00:37:25,747 --> 00:37:29,334 they were looking for a peaceful 790 00:37:29,376 --> 00:37:33,422 And they had this idea to 791 00:37:33,463 --> 00:37:35,674 to release the natural gas 792 00:37:35,716 --> 00:37:37,926 Basically, modern-day fracking. 793 00:37:37,968 --> 00:37:39,678 - Didn't go according to plan, 794 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,263 - It did not go well. 795 00:37:41,305 --> 00:37:43,598 It obviously released a lot 796 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,393 This test site is right outside 797 00:37:46,435 --> 00:37:49,688 It's very possible that not only 798 00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:52,190 could have been contaminated, 799 00:37:52,232 --> 00:37:54,651 the people who consume 800 00:37:54,693 --> 00:37:58,071 Maybe the government, 801 00:37:58,113 --> 00:38:01,283 These cattle found on rancher's 802 00:38:01,325 --> 00:38:04,536 and broken ribs as if they had 803 00:38:04,578 --> 00:38:06,663 as if the government has been 804 00:38:06,705 --> 00:38:09,374 Testing samples of tissues 805 00:38:09,416 --> 00:38:12,377 They then put the cattle back 806 00:38:12,419 --> 00:38:14,504 a predator got to it. 807 00:38:14,546 --> 00:38:15,172 - Well, that's where they messed 808 00:38:15,172 --> 00:38:19,009 - Exactly. No predators are 809 00:38:19,051 --> 00:38:22,346 because of the radiation, 810 00:38:22,763 --> 00:38:24,389 - So you're saying the 811 00:38:24,431 --> 00:38:26,433 comes in clandestinely at night. 812 00:38:26,475 --> 00:38:29,728 They hook cattle up to 813 00:38:29,770 --> 00:38:31,980 They carry them off. They 814 00:38:32,022 --> 00:38:34,858 and then they bring them back. 815 00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:37,027 That's a lot. 816 00:38:37,069 --> 00:38:39,112 - It is, but if there is a 817 00:38:39,154 --> 00:38:42,532 there could be a base 818 00:38:57,089 --> 00:38:59,466 - So much to unpack, Heather. 819 00:38:59,508 --> 00:39:03,762 - This is a lot of information. 820 00:39:03,804 --> 00:39:07,682 - So we have Cheyenne Mountain 821 00:39:07,724 --> 00:39:10,602 proof that underground bases 822 00:39:10,644 --> 00:39:14,898 - Okay, so we have reports. 823 00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:17,776 Supposedly these are craft 824 00:39:17,818 --> 00:39:20,112 Cattle mutilations. 825 00:39:20,153 --> 00:39:22,697 Now we've got Bennewitz, 826 00:39:22,739 --> 00:39:26,326 He obviously caught things on 827 00:39:26,368 --> 00:39:29,496 - As he was flying overhead 828 00:39:29,538 --> 00:39:30,789 crafts could have been. 829 00:39:30,831 --> 00:39:32,374 - And... 830 00:39:32,416 --> 00:39:35,168 - And then this is Richard Doty 831 00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:38,797 - When we were talking to him, 832 00:39:38,839 --> 00:39:43,343 what was misinformation and 833 00:39:43,385 --> 00:39:46,388 And additionally, what 834 00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:49,808 to him that he believes 835 00:39:49,850 --> 00:39:52,644 - Right, so he may not even 836 00:39:52,686 --> 00:39:55,105 - This whole base 837 00:39:55,147 --> 00:39:58,400 I just feel like the evidence 838 00:39:58,442 --> 00:40:01,736 Talking to Codi, the geologist, 839 00:40:01,778 --> 00:40:04,948 and how that works and how 840 00:40:04,990 --> 00:40:07,701 in Cheyenne Mountain. 841 00:40:07,742 --> 00:40:11,163 And we keep getting these 842 00:40:11,204 --> 00:40:13,498 aircraft, helos that are 843 00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:14,916 of the mountain. 844 00:40:14,958 --> 00:40:16,293 I don't know if that's 845 00:40:16,334 --> 00:40:18,587 I'm not sure what's 846 00:40:18,628 --> 00:40:20,589 know if I'm comfortable 847 00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:23,925 dozens of people who have said, 848 00:40:23,967 --> 00:40:26,178 They know their land. 849 00:40:26,219 --> 00:40:28,138 What are they seeing? 850 00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:29,931 - Yeah. I mean, a lot of the 851 00:40:29,973 --> 00:40:31,600 they've lived in Dulce 852 00:40:31,641 --> 00:40:33,768 Their grandparents have been 853 00:40:33,810 --> 00:40:36,354 so we have to take some of it 854 00:40:36,396 --> 00:40:38,148 There's something going on here. 855 00:40:38,190 --> 00:40:40,400 - A lot of the reports, 856 00:40:40,442 --> 00:40:41,818 when it comes to cattle 857 00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:44,321 We have legitimate people who 858 00:40:44,362 --> 00:40:46,781 with stories of this is what I 859 00:40:46,823 --> 00:40:48,992 This is what I found on my farm. 860 00:40:49,034 --> 00:40:51,661 And know what a livestock 861 00:40:51,703 --> 00:40:54,498 looks like and that's not 862 00:40:54,539 --> 00:40:57,417 - And why does it seem as though 863 00:40:57,459 --> 00:40:59,169 and then dropped? 864 00:40:59,211 --> 00:41:01,046 If it's the government coming 865 00:41:01,087 --> 00:41:03,131 why has no one seen this happen? 866 00:41:03,173 --> 00:41:05,675 And Project GasBuggy, 867 00:41:05,717 --> 00:41:07,969 for the mutilations in this 868 00:41:08,011 --> 00:41:10,180 for the presence of aliens. 869 00:41:10,222 --> 00:41:12,599 So is it the government 870 00:41:12,641 --> 00:41:14,559 spreading these rumors of 871 00:41:14,601 --> 00:41:17,979 - It turned into this sort of 872 00:41:18,021 --> 00:41:19,856 and then people ran with it, 873 00:41:19,898 --> 00:41:22,734 because I have not seen anything 874 00:41:22,776 --> 00:41:25,237 to their may even 875 00:41:25,278 --> 00:41:26,780 People say, well, if they were 876 00:41:26,821 --> 00:41:28,698 inside the mountain. 877 00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:30,742 Our government built this inside 878 00:41:30,784 --> 00:41:32,369 - Right. 879 00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:34,746 - I'm not discounting what 880 00:41:34,788 --> 00:41:37,040 because people say that they've 881 00:41:37,082 --> 00:41:40,126 but do I think that there's 882 00:41:40,168 --> 00:41:42,295 No, I obviously don't 883 00:41:42,337 --> 00:41:44,881 If you want to conceal radiation 884 00:41:44,923 --> 00:41:47,842 or shield development of 885 00:41:47,884 --> 00:41:51,596 a military cover-up makes 886 00:41:54,099 --> 00:41:58,645 - ♪ 887 00:42:03,108 --> 00:42:08,321 - ♪ 888 00:42:21,209 --> 00:42:24,170 - ♪